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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.

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So happy to have our bff, Baya Angar Sargan back

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with us to talk about her new book.

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Speaker 2: Among other things. The new book is The Jews and

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the Left.

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Speaker 1: It comes out on June second, but it's available for

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pre order now, so go and get it. We have known,

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obviously for a long time that there is widespread anti

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Semitism on the left, and at the same time, American

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Jews are by and large masochistically democrat, so.

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Speaker 2: We've never understood that.

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Speaker 1: We've had many, many conversations about that, and so we're

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super glad that you have written a book ostensibly about that.

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So tell us what prompted you to write it and

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what our audience can hope to learn from it.

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, thank you so much for having me.

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Thank you so much for helping me promote the book.

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But also as an American and as a Jew, thank

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you guys for your moral compass and for I've told

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you just before, but the humor you bring to debunking

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the garbage that is out there, like the stalwart values,

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and also like the fact that I can listen to

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you and enjoy the fact that somebody is speaking the truth,

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that I can laugh and also feel the relief of

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hearing the truth spoken. Just God, bless you both so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I wrote the book because many Christians, non Jewish people

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across the country had said to me, with like real

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pain in their eyes, but why are the Jews democrats

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right right? And I thought, you know, these people who

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love us so much like they they are owed in explanation,

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And the book is sort of a love song to

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America because Jews have always been very protected here, and

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yet that aspect of our history in America has been

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by and large forgotten, I think even by a lot

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of Jews. So most American Jews see themselves as an

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immigrant community with a history of oppression, and they forget

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that we were here from the founding and we were

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viewed by our fellow Americans as founding partners in the

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creation of this great nation. We were never oppressed here.

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We were always cherished and always treated as equals, despite

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like millennia of oppression in the old country. And we've

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just really lost sight of that history. And I think

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coupled with that forgotten history and the fact that anti

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Semitism did used to be more on the right, but

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now the right has become very good at policing it

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and saying, actually, no, we don't mess with that, we

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don't want anything to do with that. And if you

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talk that way, you're out on your earrease.

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Speaker 2: It's not enough.

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Speaker 1: There's too many people on the right that are freaking

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us out with the rising anasthematism.

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Speaker 4: I hate to say it, but it's true. Yeah, some

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people say that the right is no better. So like,

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what do you say to those people?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so, first of all, I think that's completely false.

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You're right that there are anti Semites on the right,

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but they you see Republican congressman, Republican senators, the President

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of the United States, influencers such as yourselves, everybody with

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any influence on the right is saying no to it,

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whereas on the left the exact opposite is happening. So

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the people who hate Jews, or who have Nazi tattoos,

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or who say that they would vote for Hamas over

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Israel get elevated. And that is the major difference, is that,

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of course there's always going to be anti Semites on

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the extremes, but on the right there is a massive

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effort underway to not allow it to become mainstream, whereas

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on the left it is mainstream. It is the price

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of entry now is to say I hate Israel. You know,

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any Jews support Israel? Eighty five percent of Jews or Zionists,

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you guys have no room in this movement. So I

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think it was so important for me to write a

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book that explored this and said to my people, guys,

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you backed the wrong pony, and it's time for us

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to be honest about that. Plus the explanation, the specific

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explanation about how Jews ended up being democrats in the

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first place.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because there have to be a lot of Jewish

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people that just feel politically homeless, A lot.

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Speaker 2: A lot is there? Is there? I mean, is there

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any turning it around?

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Speaker 1: Because like I wonder, you know, obviously we're old, but

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we're not that old to remember like after World War Two,

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obviously there was a process somehow of a changing of

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hearts and minds so that it became unthinkable that that

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would ever happen again. I mean, that's where it never

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again came from. And yet here we are.

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Speaker 2: And so what what needs to.

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Speaker 1: Happen in order for our culture to turn the sentiment around,

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is it how do we reverse this level of hate?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a really good question to me. Much of

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the anti Jewish hate on the left, a lot of

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it is about Israel, but a lot of it is

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just anti white sentiment. I mean they basically Jews are

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getting the white treatment, okay, like when you go to

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a college campus, right, They've always treated conservatives this way,

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you know. Like, so it was more extreme after October seventh,

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but I think a lot of Jews had the exact

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wrong reaction. They were like, wait, why aren't you treating

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us like trans people and like black people and like

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Latin X people were all so oppressed, and that was

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like the exact wrong response. The right response is it's

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not okay to treat anybody this way.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I think so the question, like to answer the

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question is like, well, can you imagine a left that

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stopped being so anti white? And it's definitely going to

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be a big part of the debate going forward. Do

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the Democrats go with their moderate center or do they

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cave to the extremes on the far left. I do

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think after Trump you will see the left moving more

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to the center. But Jews have to be willing to say, guys,

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you have to and instead of bending the knee, And unfortunately,

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you do see a lot of far left Jews saying, well,

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we're also not Zionists, you know, Like they're basically bending

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the need of the people who hate their people and

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paying the price of entry, which is to denounce your

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fellow Jews, which I find utterly humiliating and refuse to do.

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But a lot of people are willing to pay that

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price unfortunately. So to me, it's about how do we

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rescue America more broadly, not just the Jews, but what

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it signifies, because I think you guys agree with me,

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like we all want the left to be better. Like, yeah,

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you know, I'm a big fan of Donald Trump. I

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want people to vote for him, but I don't want

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it to be the case that there's one party that's

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good and one party that's like deeply racist and anti.

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Speaker 1: Semitic, right like parties to be good.

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Speaker 3: And I think the problem is is like neither party, see,

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you have this weird thing. We're on the left, they

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think they're owed power, and on the right sometimes it

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seems almost like people don't think they even deserve power,

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like they got so used to being this rump party

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that they don't even really know how to coalesce and

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like what to do with it. I mean, I'm not

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talking about Trump, but like sort of downstream from there.

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So I do hope things are going to get better.

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I mean, this is the greatest nation to ever exist

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in the history of humanity. So I'm always betting on America.

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Speaker 2: D like and I am too. I think we do

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the same.

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Speaker 4: I think we have.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely we try to stay optimistic. There's some crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of crazy, and like we because

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we see, you know, the transformation of some of these

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people on the right that it's like transformation that's happened

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in like a couple of months, let alone a couple

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of years, and we're it's pretty remarkable to see the

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changes some of these people.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what what are they doing?

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Speaker 4: Why are they doing this? Are they doing it for cliques?

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Are they doing it because there's somebody pulling the string?

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I mean, what do you think is going on?

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Speaker 3: So I assume you're talking about like Tucker Carlson and yeah,

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Meghan Kelly and zens. Yeah, So a year ago, a

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year and a half ago, I think I said something

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like they're the It wasn't Megan yet, but it was

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like Tucker Carlson, Candice Owans. People were very upset, very worried,

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especially in the Jewish community. And I was saying, you know,

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I bet you their support, like their numbers, they're the

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five million followers whatever. These are not Americans Like Americans,

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average Americans have very little appetite for anti Semitism. They

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are very protective of Jews. I bet you this is global.

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You know, there's two billion Muslims out there desperate for

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anti Israel, anti Semitic content, highly produced that's not easy

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to come by. And Pakistan some blonde goddess giving you.

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Speaker 2: You want to hear about Israel.

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Speaker 3: You know, I bet you that this is not American.

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What everything I know about the American people, they don't

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mess with this stuff. They really don't like anti Semitism.

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It's a deal breaker. In my book, I go through

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all the examples of people who had to give up

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their anti Semitism when they wanted to run for president

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and pretend that they had a change of heart. Henry

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Ford immediately came back to it when you lost the election.

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You can't go full anti Semite and stay in the

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mainstream in America, at least on the right. And two

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weeks ago, Megan Kelly came out and said, in a

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kind of bragging way, well, yeah, of course all of

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Tucker's knew viewers and supporters or Muslims, you know, like,

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and I was like, I was saying this a year ago, like,

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Speaker 2: But she was happy about that. She was proud and happy.

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Speaker 3: For him, proud and happy about it. And you know,

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there's only I think three million American Muslims. So when

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you have growth and you're getting you know, fifty fifty

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million views on something, when your subscriber base goes past that,

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we're not even talking about American Muslims anymore. Right, this

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is a foreign and you know foreign some of its bots.

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Nick Fuentes, we know has a lot of bots watching him.

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But I just from when I know about the American

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people like and I think, people, this is a business

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model now, right, Like you know, we're all on the

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content creation uh space, and I think it's very hard

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not to get audience captured. You see that this is

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what the people want. You convince yourself you're giving them

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the like secret backstory, and the reason you're so popular

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is because you're willing to say what nobody else is

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willing to say. And you forget that, like, actually, you're

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not speaking to Americans anymore. Me personally, I'm only interested

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in talking to Americans. I'm only interested in hearing from Americans.

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Like what, I shouldn't say this, but when I turn

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on my TV and there's some British person, you know,

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in a British accent, like trying to let for us

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about American politics, I can't. I'm like, what, what.

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Speaker 2: The heck, what's happening?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're so nice, because I get so I

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get so mad about it. I get so mad when

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I hear yeah, well, I mean I get really mad

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when I see these people that are you know, if

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they are doing stuff for clicks, so they're doing it

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just because they have some like some Muslim pull in

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the strings.

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Speaker 2: That I get. I'm pissed off about it. I can

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really be mad. Yeah. Yeahs like these.

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Speaker 3: Are influencers without influence. That's the thing to keep in mind.

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They have no influence on Trump, they have no influence

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on his followers, Like nobody's listening to them. Who matters.

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And to me that is very comforting, and you know,

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it just comes back this thing. If you bet on America,

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you're not going to lose.

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Speaker 2: It is comforting.

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Speaker 1: But then I also go through these phases where you know,

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I look at their numbers, I see their names in

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the headlines constantly, and then I'm like, do they have

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more influence than we want them to have? But then

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also you see what happened with Thomas Messy, and then

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then you're like, well, maybe they don't. And so there's

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always this push poll with at least for me that

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I'm always I'll worry about it, and then I'll see

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a result like what the Kentucky race, and I'll feel better.

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Speaker 2: But I never know am I being is it my algorithm?

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Am I being plagued? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Everything is so targeted right now that you just don't

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ever really what is the reality until you see a

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result like with Massy. But even then we're told, well,

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all the young people voted for masking. They are the

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ones that are up and coming, you know, when it

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comes to voters, and all those crazy boomers that are

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watching Fox News, they don't matter because they're all going

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to be dead soon, and I'm like, where do we

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Speaker 3: Tell me about that? Is like everybody knows that young

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people are leftists and then they buy property and become conservatives.

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like that. Yeah, we know that, Like we know young

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people are are like that. Like that. That's like a

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it's weird because people act like, you know, you'll have

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like a turning point event and it'll be on a

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college campus, okay, and some kid will come to microphone

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and start talking smack about Israel and everyone's like, oh no,

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it's infecting the right. And it's like, do you ever

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think you're on a college campus.

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Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, a lot of leftists there.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have like Anakstperry and from the Turks

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who now says she loves Candice Owens is content. These

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people are getting a lot of leftists to watch them.

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It's not like the right is being infected by this.

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I don't think. I think young people on the right

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they're very against foreign aid in general, and right now

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they see Israel. I don't think they see like on

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the left they think Israel doesn't have a right to

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exist because they don't believe in nationalism, right, and because

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they're vaguely anti Semitic on the right, they don't have

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a problem with nationalism. They just have a problem with

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foreign aid. And so right now they see Israel's kind

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of dragging us down at a time when they feel

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like they can't achieve the hamewarks of the American dream,

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and like, that's not anti Semitic, that's like a fair critique.

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I do think. By the way, Benjamin Atania the other

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day was saying Israel needs to wean itself off of

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American aid. I've said that for a very long time.

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that way, that Israel's paid a very high cost for

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that aid, and I think that's becoming, you know, increasingly clear.

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But if you had Israel not getting any aid, Like

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even at Charlie's last Turning Point Student Action summit, they

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pulled all of the young people and seventy five percent

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of them said they were pro Israel, and they basically

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they said, like, I mean, do we want the Christian

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Easites to be under the control of Jews or Muslims? Huh,

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no brainer? Do we run it also win against Jamas,

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no brainer. We just don't want to give anybody four

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an aid anymore, and like that is a completely reasonable

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position for a young person who will never be able

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to afford a home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you make of all of this, speaking

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of pushing and pulling, what's happening with Iran and Trump's

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strategy in Iran and the fact that he's been like, Okay,

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we're going in, We're gonna blow up some more stuff.

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And now you know, Saudi Arabia is telling me not

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to go, our guitars telling me not to go. And

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even we who have been very supportive of Trump's actions

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have felt a little bit like what's going on? Because

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now it's constant. We see the threat and then we

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see the backing off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's kind of like it's like a parent.

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It's like a parent saying I'm going to pun if

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you do X y Z, and then they do X

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y Z and you don't fully punish them, and.

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Speaker 2: Then they're going to do it again, you know what

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I mean? Yeah, how do you feel about his strategy

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right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting. I think it was a little

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harder than he was expecting. I think he thought Ron

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would fall easier. There's some reporting in the New York

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Times to take it with a grain of salt, that

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they had actually identified Ahmadina Jad to take over and

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become sort of the moderate face, and that that failed

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because these railies. His home was hit during one of

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the raids, and so he sort of, you know, got

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cold feet and backed off and they haven't been able

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to reach him, which might explain why Trump thought it

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was going to be so much easier than it ended

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up being. It's a very very difficult thing to pull off.

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I am starting to feel like asking working class Americans

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who are really struggling to pay five dollars a gallon

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for gas is like the time for it was okay

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to do that for a month, two months, but people

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are really hurting. I mean people are really hurting. And

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that's very hard for me to see because it's like

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it's not just gas, it's food, it's stuff that's not

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It's not like with the tariffs where it's like, oh no,

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you're not going to be your brand new iPhone that

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you replaced every year is going to cost one hundred

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dollars more. However, right that it's like broke, hard working

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people are really struggling, and I just don't I'm not

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hearing anything coming out of the administration that reflects that

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they understand that and that they that's why people voted

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for Trump is gas down and he feels like, well,

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I was able to do it. I'm going to finish

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this off. It'll come right back down. But I just

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can't help but feel like if he was able to

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do something on that front, he could take as long

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as he wanted with this. And I don't, you know,

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I don't know how you do without like increasing inflation,

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but it just seems like there's no plan. And to me,

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that is the thing that has changed. Like for a

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month to prevent our grain and children from having to

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face off against a nuclear armed terror state, no brainer.

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Six weeks, two months, Okay, But I just know what

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these people's lives are like, and it's just I don't know,

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you know, Mom, Donnie recently was uh, he said, you know,

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Ronald Reagan said, you know, the nine worst I'm from

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the government. I'm here to help. And then he said, no,

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there's worse, five worst languages, five worst words, which is

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I worked all day and I can't feed my family. Yeah,

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and shared by conservatives in a mocking way. But I

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don't know to me right, Like, we're not talking about

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freeloaders here. We're not talking about people who like want

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want the universe, like they just want their kids to

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be able to have like just the most mod They

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just want like a good night's sleeper. They don't have

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to worry like how am I going to afford to

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give my kids a piece of chicken tomorrow for dinner?

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And I'm starting to feel like I would really like

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to hear more out of the administration about how they're

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going to help off.

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Speaker 2: I think that's totally fair, and I like we were.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that was in the back of my mind.

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Speaker 4: Is gosh, I hope this is over before the two

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hundred and fiftieth birthday of this kind like before July fourth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think it's gonna be over.

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Speaker 4: I just don't I know which will just oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not even just the birthday, but it's

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the midterms, you know, And so yeah, there's there's been

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all the redistricting wars that have been happening, and then

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we all obviously have this lingering war issue that would

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could really potentially hurt Trump. But let's assume, let's be

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optimistic and assume that somehow it.

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Speaker 2: Does wrap up this summer.

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Speaker 1: What how do you How are you feeling about Republican

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chances during for the mid terms, Because very.

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Speaker 3: Good, are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Tell us why.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like the Democrats have nothing to offer,

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and the redistricting helped a lot, so it's really narrowed down.

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And yeah, I mean, if you can wrap up the

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Iran thing and get the price of gas down, which

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is big if, like, I do think that their chances

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are pretty good. I've just never been like, what are

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the Democrats offering aside from Trump rage? Yes, very hard

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to point to. And I'll have them on my show

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and I'll say, like, Okay, I get that you're, you know,

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upset about the cost of gas. What's the Democrats plan for? Yeah,

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getting down the cost of gas? Because all I see

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is your environmental stuff, which like obviously increases the cost

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of it. Like, look at California, right, it's a choice

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between It's not a choice between Trump and like a

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slightly bet or less chaotic Trump. It's between Trump and California,

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where the cost of gas is currently twice what it

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is nationally, so like what is your Like, that's that's you.

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That's your plan for getting the plan for getting the

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cost of food down, Like they don't really have one. Yeah,

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I feel like people voter will be able to see

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that they do need to hear from Trump that he

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understands what they're going through. And I don't know what's

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wrong with some sticky checks, you know, like.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, But listen, you're so right about them

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not having any policies, because we talk about that a

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lot on our show where these you know, they there's

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a lot of I Hate Trump, and like it's even

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seeping into the mayoral race in LA where they're like

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Spencer Proud is mega, like as if that's supposed to

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be a bad thing for him to not get elected.

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And I'm thinking, what's going to happen to these people

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when Trump is no longer in office? Like what are

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they going to do? Is it going to be I

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don't know, Marco Rubio derangements syndrome or JD vance derangement syndrome.

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Speaker 3: I feel like last time I was on here was

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this a year ago? Six months ago?

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Speaker 1: Probably six months probably not a year, but yeah, somewhere yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You guys, it's not going to be Vanced. It's going

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to be Ruby. And you were both like, what.

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Speaker 2: Well, and we hope that that's the case. That's what

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we want.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we like fans, Don't get me wrong. I love

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I like him too, but I you know, we want

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it to be we wanted to be Rabio.

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Speaker 2: But do you think Vance is gonna does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Because you know you're so tight and Marco's always saying

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Advance wants his job, I'll be behind him one hundred percent.

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Do you think that Vance is going to play I'm

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going to be a family guy now, I've got my

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fourth kid on the way. I'm not interested in being

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president right now, and that will like open up the

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pathway for Marco.

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Speaker 2: Is that how it's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I don't really know. I mean there's one option, which

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is Trump just decides, right, and he does this thing

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now at every major event, apparently I've never been to

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one where I've never met him, but you know, apparently

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he'll just be like, he'll do his whole rally thing

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where he's trying to asks the you know, the crowd

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to decide between two nicknames. And now he just does

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it j D or Marco. He just does this all

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the time now, like he's just like trying to get

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a feel for like the crowd and who people want more.

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So one option is he just picks. He just says, look,

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one of you has a better shot, and we're not

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going to get into one of these messy primaries. Do

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get out against Ted Cruz, Like you're not going to

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do get out against It's just unthinkable that Rubio won't

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run and and and I'll tell you why, because it

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would be a huge betrayal of his country. And I

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think he's very patriotic and for him to simply sit

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it out, you know, it's a great point.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't worried that he's not going to. I tell

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myself that I say that, would that would be such

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a betrayal of his nation, of his country, of his

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It would be just.

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Speaker 2: Say that to him. It would be a betrayal to

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the chicks on the right.

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Speaker 4: That's the things I'd be so sad if he doesn't run.

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I just think he is he can do. He has

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proven himself so much over the past couple of years.

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He has come such a long way not that he

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wasn't awesome before, but oh my goodness, And this.

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Speaker 3: Is the clip to share with him. I know a

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lot of Democrats who would very happily vote from our room,

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and I really Republicans who would not vote for JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance. Okay, I ask democrats this all the time.

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Speaker 3: I have a show called Prove It on YouTube. It's

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a debate who I have a Democrat on every single

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day and I sometimes it comes up like this topic,

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right if we're talking about and I always ask them,

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would you vote for Marca Rubio? And many of them

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have said absolutely if he was running against AOC that's

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the first thing they say. It depends who he's running against.

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Ye See, I like it's very easy for them to

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say yes. Harder for somebody who's like a little bit

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more moderate, but like come on, like against Gavin Newsom,

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against Kamala Hares exactly, no brainer. So I think I

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just keep trying to tell people this, Like people on

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the right don't have these kinds of connections with Democrats anymore,

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But he's very popular with a certain type of Democrat

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who lives in a certain type of swing state you

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kind of need to win an election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that's so encouraged.

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Speaker 3: It really is. It is.

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Speaker 2: You know, Trump watches the show, so.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully Well right, I'll take that to heart.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're very very excited about your book coming out.

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Please tell people where they can find it and find

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you and get more bot Ya content.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. The book comes out in exactly

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one week, so I'm very thrilled for people to read it.

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It's very close to my heart. It's very much about

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America and about Jews and two topics that I think

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people really think about a lot. It's very much in

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America to fifty book because it's about our founding and

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the role that Jews played in it for the founding fathers.

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You can pick it up on Amazon, you can pick

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it out at HarperCollins. I am at Substack Batya dash

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us dot com, and I'm also on Twitter and Instagram.

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A lot of book promotion this week, and then back

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to your programming a lot because I have a said

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and PM Saturday show on News Nation.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Thank you, it's always so good to yes so

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fun have you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, God bless and protect

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you both, and thank you so much for everything you do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you can't wait to have it again. Have you yes,