Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.
So happy to have our bff, Baya Angar Sargan back
with us to talk about her new book.
Speaker 2: Among other things. The new book is The Jews and
the Left.
Speaker 1: It comes out on June second, but it's available for
pre order now, so go and get it. We have known,
obviously for a long time that there is widespread anti
Semitism on the left, and at the same time, American
Jews are by and large masochistically democrat, so.
Speaker 2: We've never understood that.
Speaker 1: We've had many, many conversations about that, and so we're
super glad that you have written a book ostensibly about that.
So tell us what prompted you to write it and
what our audience can hope to learn from it.
Speaker 3: So, first of all, thank you so much for having me.
Thank you so much for helping me promote the book.
But also as an American and as a Jew, thank
you guys for your moral compass and for I've told
you just before, but the humor you bring to debunking
the garbage that is out there, like the stalwart values,
and also like the fact that I can listen to
you and enjoy the fact that somebody is speaking the truth,
that I can laugh and also feel the relief of
hearing the truth spoken. Just God, bless you both so much.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I wrote the book because many Christians, non Jewish people
across the country had said to me, with like real
pain in their eyes, but why are the Jews democrats
right right? And I thought, you know, these people who
love us so much like they they are owed in explanation,
And the book is sort of a love song to
America because Jews have always been very protected here, and
yet that aspect of our history in America has been
by and large forgotten, I think even by a lot
of Jews. So most American Jews see themselves as an
immigrant community with a history of oppression, and they forget
that we were here from the founding and we were
viewed by our fellow Americans as founding partners in the
creation of this great nation. We were never oppressed here.
We were always cherished and always treated as equals, despite
like millennia of oppression in the old country. And we've
just really lost sight of that history. And I think
coupled with that forgotten history and the fact that anti
Semitism did used to be more on the right, but
now the right has become very good at policing it
and saying, actually, no, we don't mess with that, we
don't want anything to do with that. And if you
talk that way, you're out on your earrease.
Speaker 2: It's not enough.
Speaker 1: There's too many people on the right that are freaking
us out with the rising anasthematism.
Speaker 4: I hate to say it, but it's true. Yeah, some
people say that the right is no better. So like,
what do you say to those people?
Speaker 3: Okay, so, first of all, I think that's completely false.
You're right that there are anti Semites on the right,
but they you see Republican congressman, Republican senators, the President
of the United States, influencers such as yourselves, everybody with
any influence on the right is saying no to it,
whereas on the left the exact opposite is happening. So
the people who hate Jews, or who have Nazi tattoos,
or who say that they would vote for Hamas over
Israel get elevated. And that is the major difference, is that,
of course there's always going to be anti Semites on
the extremes, but on the right there is a massive
effort underway to not allow it to become mainstream, whereas
on the left it is mainstream. It is the price
of entry now is to say I hate Israel. You know,
any Jews support Israel? Eighty five percent of Jews or Zionists,
you guys have no room in this movement. So I
think it was so important for me to write a
book that explored this and said to my people, guys,
you backed the wrong pony, and it's time for us
to be honest about that. Plus the explanation, the specific
explanation about how Jews ended up being democrats in the
first place.
Speaker 4: Yes, because there have to be a lot of Jewish
people that just feel politically homeless, A lot.
Speaker 2: A lot is there? Is there? I mean, is there
any turning it around?
Speaker 1: Because like I wonder, you know, obviously we're old, but
we're not that old to remember like after World War Two,
obviously there was a process somehow of a changing of
hearts and minds so that it became unthinkable that that
would ever happen again. I mean, that's where it never
again came from. And yet here we are.
Speaker 2: And so what what needs to.
Speaker 1: Happen in order for our culture to turn the sentiment around,
is it how do we reverse this level of hate?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a really good question to me. Much of
the anti Jewish hate on the left, a lot of
it is about Israel, but a lot of it is
just anti white sentiment. I mean they basically Jews are
getting the white treatment, okay, like when you go to
a college campus, right, They've always treated conservatives this way,
you know. Like, so it was more extreme after October seventh,
but I think a lot of Jews had the exact
wrong reaction. They were like, wait, why aren't you treating
us like trans people and like black people and like
Latin X people were all so oppressed, and that was
like the exact wrong response. The right response is it's
not okay to treat anybody this way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So I think so the question, like to answer the
question is like, well, can you imagine a left that
stopped being so anti white? And it's definitely going to
be a big part of the debate going forward. Do
the Democrats go with their moderate center or do they
cave to the extremes on the far left. I do
think after Trump you will see the left moving more
to the center. But Jews have to be willing to say, guys,
you have to and instead of bending the knee, And unfortunately,
you do see a lot of far left Jews saying, well,
we're also not Zionists, you know, Like they're basically bending
the need of the people who hate their people and
paying the price of entry, which is to denounce your
fellow Jews, which I find utterly humiliating and refuse to do.
But a lot of people are willing to pay that
price unfortunately. So to me, it's about how do we
rescue America more broadly, not just the Jews, but what
it signifies, because I think you guys agree with me,
like we all want the left to be better. Like, yeah,
you know, I'm a big fan of Donald Trump. I
want people to vote for him, but I don't want
it to be the case that there's one party that's
good and one party that's like deeply racist and anti.
Speaker 1: Semitic, right like parties to be good.
Speaker 3: And I think the problem is is like neither party, see,
you have this weird thing. We're on the left, they
think they're owed power, and on the right sometimes it
seems almost like people don't think they even deserve power,
like they got so used to being this rump party
that they don't even really know how to coalesce and
like what to do with it. I mean, I'm not
talking about Trump, but like sort of downstream from there.
So I do hope things are going to get better.
I mean, this is the greatest nation to ever exist
in the history of humanity. So I'm always betting on America.
Speaker 2: D like and I am too. I think we do
the same.
Speaker 4: I think we have.
Speaker 2: Absolutely we try to stay optimistic. There's some crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of crazy, and like we because
we see, you know, the transformation of some of these
people on the right that it's like transformation that's happened
in like a couple of months, let alone a couple
of years, and we're it's pretty remarkable to see the
changes some of these people.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what what are they doing?
Speaker 4: Why are they doing this? Are they doing it for cliques?
Are they doing it because there's somebody pulling the string?
I mean, what do you think is going on?
Speaker 3: So I assume you're talking about like Tucker Carlson and yeah,
Meghan Kelly and zens. Yeah, So a year ago, a
year and a half ago, I think I said something
like they're the It wasn't Megan yet, but it was
like Tucker Carlson, Candice Owans. People were very upset, very worried,
especially in the Jewish community. And I was saying, you know,
I bet you their support, like their numbers, they're the
five million followers whatever. These are not Americans Like Americans,
average Americans have very little appetite for anti Semitism. They
are very protective of Jews. I bet you this is global.
You know, there's two billion Muslims out there desperate for
anti Israel, anti Semitic content, highly produced that's not easy
to come by. And Pakistan some blonde goddess giving you.
Speaker 2: You want to hear about Israel.
Speaker 3: You know, I bet you that this is not American.
What everything I know about the American people, they don't
mess with this stuff. They really don't like anti Semitism.
It's a deal breaker. In my book, I go through
all the examples of people who had to give up
their anti Semitism when they wanted to run for president
and pretend that they had a change of heart. Henry
Ford immediately came back to it when you lost the election.
You can't go full anti Semite and stay in the
mainstream in America, at least on the right. And two
weeks ago, Megan Kelly came out and said, in a
kind of bragging way, well, yeah, of course all of
Tucker's knew viewers and supporters or Muslims, you know, like,
and I was like, I was saying this a year ago, like,
I bet that's where this is coming from it now.
Speaker 2: But she was happy about that. She was proud and happy.
Speaker 3: For him, proud and happy about it. And you know,
there's only I think three million American Muslims. So when
you have growth and you're getting you know, fifty fifty
million views on something, when your subscriber base goes past that,
we're not even talking about American Muslims anymore. Right, this
is a foreign and you know foreign some of its bots.
Nick Fuentes, we know has a lot of bots watching him.
But I just from when I know about the American
people like and I think, people, this is a business
model now, right, Like you know, we're all on the
content creation uh space, and I think it's very hard
not to get audience captured. You see that this is
what the people want. You convince yourself you're giving them
the like secret backstory, and the reason you're so popular
is because you're willing to say what nobody else is
willing to say. And you forget that, like, actually, you're
not speaking to Americans anymore. Me personally, I'm only interested
in talking to Americans. I'm only interested in hearing from Americans.
Like what, I shouldn't say this, but when I turn
on my TV and there's some British person, you know,
in a British accent, like trying to let for us
about American politics, I can't. I'm like, what, what.
Speaker 2: The heck, what's happening?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're so nice, because I get so I
get so mad about it. I get so mad when
I hear yeah, well, I mean I get really mad
when I see these people that are you know, if
they are doing stuff for clicks, so they're doing it
just because they have some like some Muslim pull in
the strings.
Speaker 2: That I get. I'm pissed off about it. I can
really be mad. Yeah. Yeahs like these.
Speaker 3: Are influencers without influence. That's the thing to keep in mind.
They have no influence on Trump, they have no influence
on his followers, Like nobody's listening to them. Who matters.
And to me that is very comforting, and you know,
it just comes back this thing. If you bet on America,
you're not going to lose.
Speaker 2: It is comforting.
Speaker 1: But then I also go through these phases where you know,
I look at their numbers, I see their names in
the headlines constantly, and then I'm like, do they have
more influence than we want them to have? But then
also you see what happened with Thomas Messy, and then
then you're like, well, maybe they don't. And so there's
always this push poll with at least for me that
I'm always I'll worry about it, and then I'll see
a result like what the Kentucky race, and I'll feel better.
Speaker 2: But I never know am I being is it my algorithm?
Am I being plagued? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Everything is so targeted right now that you just don't
ever really what is the reality until you see a
result like with Massy. But even then we're told, well,
all the young people voted for masking. They are the
ones that are up and coming, you know, when it
comes to voters, and all those crazy boomers that are
watching Fox News, they don't matter because they're all going
to be dead soon, and I'm like, where do we
fit in?
Speaker 3: Tell me about that? Is like everybody knows that young
people are leftists and then they buy property and become conservatives.
That's not new. Yeah, Massy's support is on the left
like that. Yeah, we know that, Like we know young
people are are like that. Like that. That's like a
it's weird because people act like, you know, you'll have
like a turning point event and it'll be on a
college campus, okay, and some kid will come to microphone
and start talking smack about Israel and everyone's like, oh no,
it's infecting the right. And it's like, do you ever
think you're on a college campus.
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, a lot of leftists there.
Speaker 3: You know, you have like Anakstperry and from the Turks
who now says she loves Candice Owens is content. These
people are getting a lot of leftists to watch them.
It's not like the right is being infected by this.
I don't think. I think young people on the right
they're very against foreign aid in general, and right now
they see Israel. I don't think they see like on
the left they think Israel doesn't have a right to
exist because they don't believe in nationalism, right, and because
they're vaguely anti Semitic on the right, they don't have
a problem with nationalism. They just have a problem with
foreign aid. And so right now they see Israel's kind
of dragging us down at a time when they feel
like they can't achieve the hamewarks of the American dream,
and like, that's not anti Semitic, that's like a fair critique.
I do think. By the way, Benjamin Atania the other
day was saying Israel needs to wean itself off of
American aid. I've said that for a very long time.
I think a lot of very pro Israel people feel
that way, that Israel's paid a very high cost for
that aid, and I think that's becoming, you know, increasingly clear.
But if you had Israel not getting any aid, Like
even at Charlie's last Turning Point Student Action summit, they
pulled all of the young people and seventy five percent
of them said they were pro Israel, and they basically
they said, like, I mean, do we want the Christian
Easites to be under the control of Jews or Muslims? Huh,
no brainer? Do we run it also win against Jamas,
no brainer. We just don't want to give anybody four
an aid anymore, and like that is a completely reasonable
position for a young person who will never be able
to afford a home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you make of all of this, speaking
of pushing and pulling, what's happening with Iran and Trump's
strategy in Iran and the fact that he's been like, Okay,
we're going in, We're gonna blow up some more stuff.
And now you know, Saudi Arabia is telling me not
to go, our guitars telling me not to go. And
even we who have been very supportive of Trump's actions
have felt a little bit like what's going on? Because
now it's constant. We see the threat and then we
see the backing off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's kind of like it's like a parent.
It's like a parent saying I'm going to pun if
you do X y Z, and then they do X
y Z and you don't fully punish them, and.
Speaker 2: Then they're going to do it again, you know what
I mean? Yeah, how do you feel about his strategy
right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting. I think it was a little
harder than he was expecting. I think he thought Ron
would fall easier. There's some reporting in the New York
Times to take it with a grain of salt, that
they had actually identified Ahmadina Jad to take over and
become sort of the moderate face, and that that failed
because these railies. His home was hit during one of
the raids, and so he sort of, you know, got
cold feet and backed off and they haven't been able
to reach him, which might explain why Trump thought it
was going to be so much easier than it ended
up being. It's a very very difficult thing to pull off.
I am starting to feel like asking working class Americans
who are really struggling to pay five dollars a gallon
for gas is like the time for it was okay
to do that for a month, two months, but people
are really hurting. I mean people are really hurting. And
that's very hard for me to see because it's like
it's not just gas, it's food, it's stuff that's not
It's not like with the tariffs where it's like, oh no,
you're not going to be your brand new iPhone that
you replaced every year is going to cost one hundred
dollars more. However, right that it's like broke, hard working
people are really struggling, and I just don't I'm not
hearing anything coming out of the administration that reflects that
they understand that and that they that's why people voted
for Trump is gas down and he feels like, well,
I was able to do it. I'm going to finish
this off. It'll come right back down. But I just
can't help but feel like if he was able to
do something on that front, he could take as long
as he wanted with this. And I don't, you know,
I don't know how you do without like increasing inflation,
but it just seems like there's no plan. And to me,
that is the thing that has changed. Like for a
month to prevent our grain and children from having to
face off against a nuclear armed terror state, no brainer.
Six weeks, two months, Okay, But I just know what
these people's lives are like, and it's just I don't know,
you know, Mom, Donnie recently was uh, he said, you know,
Ronald Reagan said, you know, the nine worst I'm from
the government. I'm here to help. And then he said, no,
there's worse, five worst languages, five worst words, which is
I worked all day and I can't feed my family. Yeah,
and shared by conservatives in a mocking way. But I
don't know to me right, Like, we're not talking about
freeloaders here. We're not talking about people who like want
want the universe, like they just want their kids to
be able to have like just the most mod They
just want like a good night's sleeper. They don't have
to worry like how am I going to afford to
give my kids a piece of chicken tomorrow for dinner?
And I'm starting to feel like I would really like
to hear more out of the administration about how they're
going to help off.
Speaker 2: I think that's totally fair, and I like we were.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: The one thing that was in the back of my mind.
Speaker 4: Is gosh, I hope this is over before the two
hundred and fiftieth birthday of this kind like before July fourth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think it's gonna be over.
Speaker 4: I just don't I know which will just oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not even just the birthday, but it's
the midterms, you know, And so yeah, there's there's been
all the redistricting wars that have been happening, and then
we all obviously have this lingering war issue that would
could really potentially hurt Trump. But let's assume, let's be
optimistic and assume that somehow it.
Speaker 2: Does wrap up this summer.
Speaker 1: What how do you How are you feeling about Republican
chances during for the mid terms, Because very.
Speaker 3: Good, are you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Tell us why.
Speaker 3: I just feel like the Democrats have nothing to offer,
and the redistricting helped a lot, so it's really narrowed down.
And yeah, I mean, if you can wrap up the
Iran thing and get the price of gas down, which
is big if, like, I do think that their chances
are pretty good. I've just never been like, what are
the Democrats offering aside from Trump rage? Yes, very hard
to point to. And I'll have them on my show
and I'll say, like, Okay, I get that you're, you know,
upset about the cost of gas. What's the Democrats plan for? Yeah,
getting down the cost of gas? Because all I see
is your environmental stuff, which like obviously increases the cost
of it. Like, look at California, right, it's a choice
between It's not a choice between Trump and like a
slightly bet or less chaotic Trump. It's between Trump and California,
where the cost of gas is currently twice what it
is nationally, so like what is your Like, that's that's you.
That's your plan for getting the plan for getting the
cost of food down, Like they don't really have one. Yeah,
I feel like people voter will be able to see
that they do need to hear from Trump that he
understands what they're going through. And I don't know what's
wrong with some sticky checks, you know, like.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, But listen, you're so right about them
not having any policies, because we talk about that a
lot on our show where these you know, they there's
a lot of I Hate Trump, and like it's even
seeping into the mayoral race in LA where they're like
Spencer Proud is mega, like as if that's supposed to
be a bad thing for him to not get elected.
And I'm thinking, what's going to happen to these people
when Trump is no longer in office? Like what are
they going to do? Is it going to be I
don't know, Marco Rubio derangements syndrome or JD vance derangement syndrome.
Speaker 3: I feel like last time I was on here was
this a year ago? Six months ago?
Speaker 1: Probably six months probably not a year, but yeah, somewhere yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You guys, it's not going to be Vanced. It's going
to be Ruby. And you were both like, what.
Speaker 2: Well, and we hope that that's the case. That's what
we want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we like fans, Don't get me wrong. I love
I like him too, but I you know, we want
it to be we wanted to be Rabio.
Speaker 2: But do you think Vance is gonna does that mean?
Speaker 1: Because you know you're so tight and Marco's always saying
Advance wants his job, I'll be behind him one hundred percent.
Do you think that Vance is going to play I'm
going to be a family guy now, I've got my
fourth kid on the way. I'm not interested in being
president right now, and that will like open up the
pathway for Marco.
Speaker 2: Is that how it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't really know. I mean there's one option, which
is Trump just decides, right, and he does this thing
now at every major event, apparently I've never been to
one where I've never met him, but you know, apparently
he'll just be like, he'll do his whole rally thing
where he's trying to asks the you know, the crowd
to decide between two nicknames. And now he just does
it j D or Marco. He just does this all
the time now, like he's just like trying to get
a feel for like the crowd and who people want more.
So one option is he just picks. He just says, look,
one of you has a better shot, and we're not
going to get into one of these messy primaries. Do
get out against Ted Cruz, Like you're not going to
do get out against It's just unthinkable that Rubio won't
run and and and I'll tell you why, because it
would be a huge betrayal of his country. And I
think he's very patriotic and for him to simply sit
it out, you know, it's a great point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3: I couldn't worried that he's not going to. I tell
myself that I say that, would that would be such
a betrayal of his nation, of his country, of his
It would be just.
Speaker 2: Say that to him. It would be a betrayal to
the chicks on the right.
Speaker 4: That's the things I'd be so sad if he doesn't run.
I just think he is he can do. He has
proven himself so much over the past couple of years.
He has come such a long way not that he
wasn't awesome before, but oh my goodness, And this.
Speaker 3: Is the clip to share with him. I know a
lot of Democrats who would very happily vote from our room,
and I really Republicans who would not vote for JD.
Speaker 2: Vance. Okay, I ask democrats this all the time.
Speaker 3: I have a show called Prove It on YouTube. It's
a debate who I have a Democrat on every single
day and I sometimes it comes up like this topic,
right if we're talking about and I always ask them,
would you vote for Marca Rubio? And many of them
have said absolutely if he was running against AOC that's
the first thing they say. It depends who he's running against.
Ye See, I like it's very easy for them to
say yes. Harder for somebody who's like a little bit
more moderate, but like come on, like against Gavin Newsom,
against Kamala Hares exactly, no brainer. So I think I
just keep trying to tell people this, Like people on
the right don't have these kinds of connections with Democrats anymore,
But he's very popular with a certain type of Democrat
who lives in a certain type of swing state you
kind of need to win an election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that's so encouraged.
Speaker 3: It really is. It is.
Speaker 2: You know, Trump watches the show, so.
Speaker 4: Hopefully Well right, I'll take that to heart.
Speaker 1: Well, we're very very excited about your book coming out.
Please tell people where they can find it and find
you and get more bot Ya content.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. The book comes out in exactly
one week, so I'm very thrilled for people to read it.
It's very close to my heart. It's very much about
America and about Jews and two topics that I think
people really think about a lot. It's very much in
America to fifty book because it's about our founding and
the role that Jews played in it for the founding fathers.
You can pick it up on Amazon, you can pick
it out at HarperCollins. I am at Substack Batya dash
us dot com, and I'm also on Twitter and Instagram.
A lot of book promotion this week, and then back
to your programming a lot because I have a said
and PM Saturday show on News Nation.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Thank you, it's always so good to yes so
fun have you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, God bless and protect
you both, and thank you so much for everything you do.
Speaker 2: Thank you can't wait to have it again. Have you yes,