WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.200 The other thing that you have to realize is that 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.440 after three or four years of you being on a 3 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:06.839 podcast here with me, you've come so far. 4 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:14.199 Oh my god, I'm so glad that's not on tape. 5 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:21.160 Whiskey, come and take my pain. They don't. Why think 6 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:23.920 alone when you can drink it all in with Ricochet's 7 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.519 three Whiskey Happy Hour. Join your bartenders, Steve Hayward, John You, 8 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:37.759 and the international Woman of Mystery, Lucretia. Where this lap stopping? Livid? 9 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:43.000 Ain't you easy on the show? Cat's gotta giving whiskey? 10 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:47.640 All right, listeners, Daddy's back getting in charge from the juveniles. 11 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.159 I left in charge of the podcast like it reminds 12 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:52.200 me of that old line of p J o'rouric about 13 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.719 giving power to liberals is like giving the car keys 14 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.320 and whiskey to a teenager. So I let you guys 15 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.719 run this show. For the large part, I was gone 16 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:02.240 and you can see where it went. So I'm back 17 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:05.400 in charge. It's the three Whiskey Happy Hour. Good morning, everybody. 18 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:07.680 I've got Lucretia at a disadvantage because she's not quite 19 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.000 awake yet, but there we go. 20 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.959 I'm awake. I just don't like speaking to people or 21 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.239 have them speak to me before seven am. 22 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.519 Well, we are far flong again as usual. John's in Washington, 23 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.200 d C. I'm finally back in California after a month 24 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.760 of flouncing about in Scandinavia. And Lucretia is at home 25 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.599 at her undisclosed location in a desert bunker. Right, So right, okay, 26 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.920 all right, well, you know, let's start this way. So, Lucretia, 27 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.359 you had a post on our Political Question site here 28 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.799 earlier the day you thought would provoke both of John 29 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:44.400 and me, and it didn't provoke me. I actually agreed, 30 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:46.640 but I didn't really get into it in our recent 31 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.879 podcast where essentially you said, what Trump was the smartest 32 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.359 guy in the room, especially when it comes to the 33 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:56.239 grand strategy of this whole Middle East scene, and I 34 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.640 think beyond that. So I agree with that, but secondly, 35 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.359 beyond that as a general theme to open up with today, 36 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:04.959 you know, the whole scene right now with Trump and 37 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.480 the country is in my mind, starting to take on 38 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.639 the same vibe as the nineteen eighties, you know, Morning 39 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.240 in America with Reagan right things everything was starting to 40 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:16.439 go right at leading force to a forty nine state 41 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:20.000 landslide in nineteen eighty four. But you know, success briefed, 42 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.719 success and good grief. I look up right now at 43 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.159 where Trump is at the moment, So more wins at 44 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.360 the Supreme Court. That'll be our main subject for today. 45 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.800 NATO calling him daddy. I love that part, calling him 46 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.479 daddy and saying, yeah, we'll spend five percent of GDP 47 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.879 on defense. Almost all European countries said they would do that. 48 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:41.280 European Union. 49 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.560 By the way, Steve, they say, do you think the 50 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:50.960 guy came back and said he didn't actually call him daddy. Yeah, 51 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.800 there's a difference. You know, It's like saying daddy's home. 52 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:58.240 I forget what it was. He wanted people to know 53 00:02:58.280 --> 00:02:59.520 he wasn't calling him daddy. 54 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.840 Okay, well, I'm sure you got a lot of blowback 55 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.879 for it. Well, all right, but then the European Union said, yeah, 56 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.360 I guess you're going to have to make some trade 57 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.520 concessions to Trump to get some trade deals right. Harvard 58 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:16.159 is reportedly trying to negotiate a deal with Trump over 59 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:19.800 their conflict. CBS News is looking to settle Trump's libel suit. 60 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:22.719 The Iran bombing looks like a big success. 61 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.319 BBA fired their president. 62 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.159 Yeah, I was going to add that that's a big 63 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.120 story that we don't have time to go into details. 64 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.120 But that's and that happened fast, and it's not getting 65 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.159 a lot of press. But the Democrats. Here's the headline 66 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.680 in my mind, the way the Democrats are pushing back 67 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.080 against Governor youngcin and friends of ours who were youngin 68 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:43.960 has been trying to put on the board of overseers 69 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.080 for the universities. The fact that they're fighting back so 70 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:51.319 vigorously makes it evident that Democrats understand that universities are 71 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.400 adjunct organizations of the Democratic Party. Nothing could be more 72 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.280 clear than the way they're fighting this. I think it's 73 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:00.800 unprecedented in Virginia for the political the legs to block 74 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:05.039 the governor's appointees. Okay, Trump lowered the boom on China, 75 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:06.919 and at the end of the week the stock market 76 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.400 reached a whole new high. So it could hardly get 77 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.479 any better than that unless it would be passing the big 78 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.199 beautiful bill, which I'm certain is going to pass, if 79 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:16.839 not by the end of next week, then at least 80 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:17.680 by the end of the month. 81 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:26.120 So with or without all of elizabeths Elizabeth cuts, Elizabeth Cuts, 82 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:31.920 who's Elizabeth is the the Senate parliamentary and cutting everything 83 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.839 of value out of the big beautiful bill. 84 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.480 Yeah, well it'll be a moment to see whether they 85 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.759 realize that effect have the power to overrule the parliamentarian. 86 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:46.040 And so we'll see. But Trump's working the phone's hard, 87 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.959 you know again, you know, Reagan worked the phone's hard 88 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.319 in nineteen eighty one, very hard on behalf of his 89 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.560 tax and budget bills. Other presidents, I think have let 90 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.639 their their advisors and you know, head of this and 91 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.959 that do But think of all the phone calls that 92 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:03.959 Trump made over the years to get his real estate 93 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.199 deals through. So this is natural to him to be 94 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:09.000 on the phone twisting arms. And so that's why I 95 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:10.560 think this thing is going to pass in one form 96 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.879 or another anyway. That's that's sort of my opening is uh, 97 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:20.199 you know Trump is living a charmed life. Anybody will. 98 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:24.439 So your your your daddy, And what me and Lucretia 99 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.800 are Israel and dorn is that right? Is that your comparison? 100 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.920 I just would like to so I'd like to be 101 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:38.079 Israel in this, of course you would. And fighting against Lucretia, 102 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:44.240 the religious extremist soon to be armed with nuclear weapons. 103 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:48.160 So I so, I mean, she's already got all the 104 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:51.040 conventional weapons one withoud what in the home arsenal, So 105 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:56.319 the next step up is nuclear, biological or chemical on her. So, look, Steve, 106 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.480 I think I think we should be cautia is not 107 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.560 to be exaggerating how well Trump's doing. I think it 108 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.560 is completely the case that the strategic situation the Middle 109 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.720 East has been changed. But I think that's because of Israel. 110 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.360 We've been helping Israel. Basically, what we did is we 111 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.319 unleashed Israel. I think that's what Trump's insight is. I 112 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.079 don't think Trump right, you know, destroyed Hamas and you know, 113 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.399 crippled Hezbolah and taken out all of Iran's air defenses 114 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.600 to point that it's incredible there's air supremacy over Tehran 115 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.439 for the Israeli Air Force. But it's important to recognize 116 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:38.160 that past American presidents had kept Israel from doing exactly this, 117 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:40.920 and so I think this is, you know, to explain 118 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.279 my sense of what Trump has done is that he 119 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.360 is letting the Allies take care of their own business 120 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.120 in the region. So I actually don't think of the 121 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.079 nuclear strikes like a lot of people do or mega 122 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.040 people worry about that's an an increase in American intervention. 123 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.800 Mostly what we've done is armed Israel and let it go, 124 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.279 and let Israel armed with the right values that we 125 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.720 agree with, remake the Middle East. And then we did 126 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.319 the one thing they couldn't, which was drop those gigantic, 127 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.199 massive ordnance penetrators on the newcles. But that's because that 128 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:18.160 was an art interest. So I wouldn't overstate what. And 129 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.759 there's going to be setbacks, I think because Israel is 130 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.639 a very tiny country and they're fighting much larger countries. 131 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.120 I wish them all the success, and I think they're 132 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.800 going to, you know, hopefully be able to put into 133 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.959 place their wins. I don't think it's because of Trump necessarily. 134 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.360 And that's the part I disagree with John, the conclusion. 135 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:44.000 I agree with all of you the facts as you 136 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:48.560 laid them out. But let me remind you that two 137 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.160 years ago, probably when we would discuss why it would 138 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:58.240 be appropriate to arm Israel and not the Ukrainians, my 139 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:02.399 argument always was, never mind the moral issues and so forth, 140 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.480 but that you don't know that we necessarily need to 141 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:09.680 arm out of our treasury the Israelis. We just need 142 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.040 to provide them with weapons, and we need to give 143 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:16.000 them the moral authority of the United States to continue 144 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.079 what they're doing, to be on their side. That was 145 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.600 always my argument, and I'm going to say that that's 146 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.759 a little bit of what you just said. But when 147 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.279 you say Trump doesn't deserve that much credit, the point 148 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.199 of my article was all previous presidents listened way too 149 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:35.799 much to their advisors, to the foreign policy establishment. You 150 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.720 know that you can't have peace unless there's a state 151 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.080 and a two state solution, and you know, all of 152 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:46.919 these things that prevented them from thinking about the conflicts 153 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.679 in the Middle East in a whole new way. Trump 154 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.360 was willing to do and in that way, and he 155 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.639 was not. This was the underlying theme that was meant 156 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.639 to be a slam mostly at you, John, but a 157 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.639 little Steve, because he's always bringing up these damn stupid 158 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:07.919 theories international relations. There's game, theory, real is, whatever all 159 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:12.360 of those are. If you think in those terms, your 160 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.399 thinking is necessarily bounded by the outlines of those theories. 161 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.840 And that's you know, Trump probably does never read an 162 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:23.840 international relations book in his life, lucky him. But it 163 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.720 also means that he just doesn't buy into those theories, 164 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:31.399 and that every every single conflict across the world that 165 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.639 the president wants to address or ignore has to be 166 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:40.120 understood in terms of some foreign relations, some foreign policy 167 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.080 theory that somebody from some stupid think tank came up. 168 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.200 We know theory just makes the world is trusting effort 169 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.720 to simplify the world, to make it easier to understand 170 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.759 what I don't when I didn't get from your peace, 171 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.799 I think it's fair that you criticize other ways of 172 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.960 thinking about the world. I didn't understand for your piece 173 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.519 how Trump actually makes decisions, Like how does he choose 174 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.840 what's in America's national interest and what's not I can't tell. 175 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.759 And I don't think your piece says what it is. 176 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.559 It just sort of says, well, he's got sort of 177 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.200 common sense, and he looks at the circumstances and he 178 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:16.399 does something reasonable. But reasonable is just a word for 179 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.480 you know, it's just like a fudgy word that you 180 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:21.000 can use to say, well, that's you know, you got 181 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.039 to figure out something more than just reasonable. Right, he's decided. 182 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.720 I don't think you did. I don't think you do 183 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.159 what I think that you can figure out what his 184 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.960 goals are, his goals are America first, America, strong, America, 185 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:40.840 prosperous economic freedom for people. That's what he wants for America, Patriotism, 186 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.679 all those things. I think that's pretty easy to understand, 187 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.039 the mag of movement and all of that. And then 188 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.399 his vision for the world is we don't control the world. 189 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:52.840 We even saw that when he went to the Middle 190 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.759 East and talked to you know, those the different countries 191 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.200 and look, I'm not here, I'm not here to tell 192 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.960 to change you and make you like the United States. 193 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.960 You should embrace your your ethnic identity, your national identity. 194 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.200 He wants a world of peace, and he wants to 195 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.240 do what he can with the power of the United 196 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.679 States to pursue that. But he doesn't want to do 197 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.480 it by intervening in the ways that the foreign policy 198 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.360 apparatus has said we should do. Over the last say, 199 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.840 I don't know, since Vietnam probably make the world safe 200 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.480 for democracy, shall we say? I think that that Trump's 201 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:32.559 it just doesn't fit into a theory because because you're right, 202 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:34.960 the theories are really there to make the world simpler 203 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:38.039 to understand. But my problem with them is exactly that 204 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.440 once you simplify things too much, you're not looking at 205 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.600 all the possibilities. You're not looking at all the opportunities 206 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:46.120 and so on. Sorry, Steve, go ahead. 207 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:46.720 So that's right. 208 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.600 Well, John, I'm a podcast with political theorists who are 209 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:53.120 against theory. Understand why this is so frustrating. 210 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.200 No, wait a minute, John, all right, let me first 211 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.360 of all, I just want to register the objection that 212 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.039 usually when I'm bringing up like theory of international relations, 213 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.000 it's to mock them and make fun of them. The 214 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.480 partial exception of game theory I applied to law fair, 215 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.559 not foreign relations. By the way, if you want to 216 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.679 go back and never mind that I'm the one. 217 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.960 Who does that, yeah, okay, right, but look, John, the 218 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.960 fact that you can't figure out what Trump's decision process 219 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.039 is that is a feature, not a buck. 220 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:20.399 And here's what. 221 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.120 No, no, no, it's not good if you just got 222 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.360 a guy who just thinks he can make important decisions 223 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.200 like dropping huge bombs on people just because of some 224 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:34.799 instinct instinct. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, what is 225 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:36.919 it then? Well, first of all, I mean, all the 226 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:40.039 things that Lucretius said are nice slogans that every president 227 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.559 would say they agree with. Look, the question is, how 228 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.399 do you implement it and achieve it. That's what I 229 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.240 didn't understand from the peace, or understand from listening to 230 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.399 Trump and listening to what these mega people work in 231 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.240 his administration say. The words are all the same thing 232 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.240 every president's. Every president wants peace. Every president says their 233 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:59.000 America first, right, Every president says they're defending our security. 234 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.919 We're not ordering everybody around. But then how they well, 235 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.080 let's let's take a closer look here John, and here I'm. 236 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:10.799 I'm pretty strongly four square with Lucrete on this. Let's 237 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:12.360 go back several weeks. 238 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.080 For see, your daddy is siding with one child over 239 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:21.720 the other. I know, yeah, go figure, Yeah, I'm gonna 240 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:23.879 demand that. Now we go to McDonald's and I get 241 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.399 my mcribs as payback. 242 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:32.039 Look here here's the theme here, and then we'll go 243 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.720 to a break and move on to other subjects. Trump 244 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:39.120 showed extraordinary machiavellian skill over the last several weeks or 245 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.440 several months. So you go back to when net and 246 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.159 Yahoo came to Washington what two months ago, and the 247 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.600 headline was, well, we don't know exactly what they said, 248 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.039 but from the body language and what was said, it 249 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.399 looks like Trump is with holding back Iran or Israel 250 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:57.759 from attacking Iran, and there's there's a distance between the 251 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.519 US and Israel right now. And then the fact that 252 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.320 Trump did not visit Israel on that trip that Lucretia 253 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.799 referenced was now I think, by the way, that was 254 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:10.480 all deliberate misinformation deception by US and Israel, because it 255 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:12.799 has emerged enough details have come out that in fact, 256 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.279 Trump and NETANYAHUO were in very close communication and agreement 257 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.759 as to giving the green light to Israel to attack 258 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.559 and then after the sixty day period to let negotiations 259 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.840 play out, and then so say more about that. But 260 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.440 then the other thing is Trump said, you know, I'm 261 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.799 going to give him two weeks to decide to make peace, 262 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.080 and we now know that he already decided that he 263 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.519 was inclined to use our bunker busters to strike before 264 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.960 the two weeks was up. He sent the B two 265 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:47.879 planes westward to Guam as a faint, which I think 266 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.799 was also a signal to Chinese. But never mind that 267 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.519 for the moment sending carrier strike groups and then suddenly 268 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.720 we wake up and discover, oh, he didn't wait for 269 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.519 two weeks after all, he went and did it, and 270 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.000 once again we know that he was in close communication 271 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.559 with that Yahoo. They were putting out more disinformation to 272 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.039 deceive everybody about this. That to me shows some real 273 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.399 Machiavellian skill on Trump's part. 274 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.320 And you know, the tactics not in strategy. 275 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:13.759 That's all. 276 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.600 I love it too. Once you decide to carry out 277 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.600 the strike, all that was great. But that's different than 278 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.679 how does he make you know what to do and. 279 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:23.840 Not do well. 280 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.600 I'll just say that I would say, once he does it, 281 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.320 our military has no power or equal in the world, 282 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:29.919 and carrying it. 283 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.000 I think it's because you refuse to believe the simple things. John. 284 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:34.960 He doesn't want to around to have a nuclear weapon. 285 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.200 That's the strategy. The tactics get him there. The strategy, 286 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.279 how do we prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon 287 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.759 without causing World War three? How do we support Israel 288 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.399 and make sure that they can. 289 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.799 Here's the thing that his side is not that. The 290 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.799 MAGA people all upset with, right, They're saying, why is 291 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.360 it our view that Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon 292 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.840 and that we have to stop them? No, No, I 293 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.080 don't agree with this. I don't agree with this. 294 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:05.440 At all. 295 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.960 But I'm reading our friends many of them are angry. 296 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.440 No, they're not as angry as they were because they 297 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:13.799 said for sure this was going to start World War three, 298 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:15.919 and now they of course have egg on their face. 299 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:20.919 I do believe that there is a huge element, I'm sorry, 300 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.879 of anti Semitism on the right that drives much of 301 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:27.559 this anti Israel thing. If you cannot see how Israel 302 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.000 is a force for peace in the Middle East and 303 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:35.000 by extension, in the world, you're just not You're you're 304 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.080 not paying attention, You're not worth It's kind of like 305 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.639 what I know, we'll get to it, but I'll bring 306 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.799 it up and do my manaculpos. It's kind of like 307 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.519 Amy saying to Kaitanji, you're not We're not even going 308 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.639 to address your stupid ass opinion. 309 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.720 Well, look, I think, first of all, John, I think 310 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.360 it's not true that maga world is upset with this. 311 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.440 There are certain voices that are like Tucker Carlson, who, 312 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.480 if you pay it tension, Trump has kind of kicked 313 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:05.359 to the curb right pretty directly. I take one example. 314 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:09.759 A good representative example is my pal Dan McCarthy, who 315 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.119 is no anti Semite. By the way, but he's a 316 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.240 very strong anti interventionist, and he was saying, no, Trump 317 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.920 shouldn't do anything to help israel Is, Well, can do 318 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:19.680 it by themselves. We should stay out of it. He 319 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.519 shouldn't drop a single bomb. Well, he's turned on a dime. 320 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.119 And that's because he recognizes that. As Walter Russell meet 321 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:27.960 puts it in the Wall Street Journal over the weekend, 322 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:33.119 this is Jacksonian foreign policy. This is Jacksonian move by Trump. 323 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.200 And Dan said, yep, that's right. And so I think 324 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.799 you're seeing a lot of the thoughtful skeptics of American 325 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.000 involvement have come around, and the polls show this. I mean, 326 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.119 there have been polls of sort of maga Republicans and 327 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.319 it's like eighty percent support for what he did. So 328 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.839 it's a minority fringe, some with I think bad motives, 329 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.319 some the sort of libertarians who don't want us to 330 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.920 even police our borders, right, but as a whole, I 331 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.559 think Oh. And the final point would be, even if 332 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.640 you thought that this was an opening to possible American 333 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:05.400 involvement in the Middle East, again, ask yourself this question. 334 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.440 Would Trump sign off on building a seven hundred million 335 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.880 dollar embassy complex like the Bush and Obama administrations did 336 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.880 for Afghanistan, or a billion dollar embassy complex for Baghdad 337 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.839 which the Bush and Obama administration signed off on. The 338 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.400 answer to that is obvious. That was never going to happen. 339 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.640 There was never going to be nation building or direct 340 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.519 regime change from Trump. And so I don't know why 341 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:29.240 people have got their nickers in a twist about it. 342 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.440 I just want to welcome you both to the neo conclict. 343 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:40.440 No, that's well, you remember in last week, in last 344 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.480 week's episode, we were unanimous saying, yeah, you know Trump 345 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:46.079 ought to do this, and you know you were blaming 346 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:46.680 victory then. 347 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.559 But neo conflict, our neo cons are. You're the ones 348 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.599 who are plauding and giving compass standing ovations. 349 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.480 So the quintessential neo con by the way, last week 350 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:02.440 on on X posted, I am I'm to the point 351 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:09.599 of that, I'm anti anti what's that idiot's name, b 352 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.559 Babon whatever, his stupid name is. William Crystal, the ultimate 353 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:20.119 Neil con is now not he's he's shattered. 354 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:28.119 I call him shattered Crystal a right, But well, you 355 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.799 know the commentary magazine crowd, which is usually pretty hard 356 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.839 on Trump, boy, are they really liking him now, which 357 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.920 I think is so. I mean, Crystal is hopeless. But 358 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.599 and speaking of hopeless, we can go on forever, but 359 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:40.640 I think we need to take our first break for 360 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.440 a sponsor, and then we'll come back and get to 361 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.599 our main subject, recapping the end of this very climactic 362 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:48.599 Supreme Court term. So don't go away, listeners will be 363 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:55.880 right back. Okay, we are back now to turn to 364 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:58.519 the main event of which we have the most expertise. 365 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.559 It's the end of the Supreme Court. Several cases released 366 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:04.640 in a batch here at the end of the week. 367 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.920 I think the biggest one was striking down the universal 368 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.039 injunctions for the most part. We'll talk about the caveats there, 369 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.440 but a couple other wins I think, and I don't know. 370 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:18.200 Let's start with you, John. I'm going to say for Lucretia, 371 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.880 recapping Barrett's SmackDown of Jackson, because that was fabulous. But 372 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.160 so what do you say about the decision and what 373 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.279 are the limitations or caveats we should take from a 374 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.960 more close reading of it. 375 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.160 The decision involves an issue, a legal issue which is 376 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.599 of average importance in the law, even and I doubt 377 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.400 we'll be discussed much within a year and may fade away. 378 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.359 It's just that has enormous political consequences because it is 379 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.519 that procedural issue that has allowed any one district judge 380 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.440 in a country that has I think about seven hundred 381 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.440 active district judges and another one hundred or two senior 382 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:02.519 judges who also can hear case is from stopping the 383 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.880 elected president's legal agenda throughout the country for quite some 384 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.640 time if he wants. The legal issue is It's interesting. 385 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.400 I wrote Argle about this law thirty years ago. I 386 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.440 find it really interesting, but I don't think it's that 387 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.440 important in the grand scheme of things, certainly not as 388 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:23.640 important as birthright citizenship. And that's the question. Does a 389 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.960 court excuse me, have the power under Article three of 390 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:33.440 the Constitution, or is authorized by statute to give relief 391 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.720 to issue decisions that go beyond the parties before the court? 392 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.279 And Justice Barrett shows and this is what we were 393 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.799 talking about before. Courts just didn't understand that to be 394 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.079 their power. At the time of the founding thin It's 395 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.880 pretty easy. There were no such things as nationwide in junctions. 396 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.400 The power of the courts then, as you decide the 397 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.960 case they're controversy. That's the phrasing the Article three of 398 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:58.640 the Constitution, and that means pointiff wins, defendant loses, or 399 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.480 vice versa. And then you give relief to those parties. 400 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.759 You don't then say, and therefore, not only do I 401 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.319