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Broadhurst of Caldwell, Idaho, 38 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:06.359 and rekindled the romance from twenty years earlier. After many 39 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:10.759 passionate letter exchanges and several sexually charged meetings, they were 40 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.719 married in Reno, Nevada, on May twentieth, nineteen forty six, 41 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.240 after a passion and passion filled three day weekend together. 42 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.319 The doctor returned to his home in Idaho, and Gladys 43 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:27.240 returned to Sacramento and to her husband, Leslie Lincoln. But 44 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.840 Gladys was much more than a bigamist. Gladys needed something 45 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:35.719 even she didn't understand. She married her first husband when 46 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.560 she was twenty, and her second husband only fourteen months later. 47 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.759 The second marriage lasted only two years, the third less 48 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:48.639 than sixteen months. Leslie Lincoln was her fifth and doctor 49 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:52.960 Broadhurst became her sixth. But what desperate need drove her 50 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.960 to go from marriage to marriage? Then what dark mindset 51 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.080 moved her and her young cowboys show for to commit murder? 52 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.400 Find out Until Death Do Us, the gripping new true 53 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.240 crime from Wild Blue Press author Patrick Gallagher, whose grandfather 54 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:14.199 was Gladys's lead defense attorney during her sensational trial. The 55 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.000 book that we're featuring this evening is Till Death Do Us, 56 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.879 a true crime story of bigamy and murder, with my 57 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:24.719 special guest, author Patrick Gallagher. Welcome to the program, and 58 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.800 thank you very much for this interview. Patrick Gallagher. 59 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.879 Thank you, Dan, it's my pleasure to join you today. 60 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:38.319 Thank you very much. It's an incredible, fascinating tale back 61 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.759 in the forties in the United States and small town America. 62 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:45.599 Let's get right to this. 63 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:48.479 You start off. 64 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:58.840 About May nineteenth, nineteen twenty seven, and Gladys June Ralph 65 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.479 and she's twenty Do you have it all? She's twenty 66 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:05.319 years old and she's living in Minnedoka, Idaho, population two hundred. 67 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.319 But tell us a little bit about her background with 68 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.120 her parents, William and Anna, and her four siblings. Tell 69 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:16.000 our audience a little bit about her background and just 70 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:17.319 a little bit how she grew up. 71 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:24.439 Well. Gladys was the middle of five children. She had 72 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.360 four brothers, so she was the only girl in a 73 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:28.920 strong Mormon family. 74 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:29.319 And. 75 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:36.879 All of her brothers married well and successfully. But somehow 76 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:41.720 or other, Gladys didn't seem to achieve that. And I 77 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:46.360 wonder how much that early upbringing had to do with her. 78 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.519 You know, I have no evidence of anything inappropriate happening 79 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.959 when she was young, but at one point she did 80 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.480 make a comment that she was used to being hurt, 81 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.360 so there may have been something there. But the main 82 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.519 thing is that Gladys grew up in a fairly normal family. 83 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:11.399 But she married young, and she married often. 84 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:17.199 You say too, that her family really took the Mormon 85 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.000 religion very seriously, and she didn't take it so seriously 86 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:27.079 at all. You say more early. Yeah, yeah, you talk 87 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:31.480 about early marriage too. May nineteenth, nineteen twenty seven. She's 88 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.240 twenty years old. Tell us a little bit about this 89 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:39.759 marriage to William Basil Hendrix and how long it lasted. 90 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:48.399 Well, Gladys was, as we mentioned, only twenty That wasn't 91 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.600 extremely young for those days, even today, a lot of 92 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:59.720 girls get married by the time they're twenty. But her, 93 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.600 her marriage lasted such a short amount of time, it 94 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.439 seems to me that it must have been not good 95 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:11.560 from the very beginning. And of course I've tried to 96 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.160 make the book as true as possible. At one point 97 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.920 I considered trying to add more to the story that 98 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:24.639 was fiction, but I gave that up because I decided 99 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.879 that my goal was to make this book as completely 100 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.000 accurate historically as possible. And so I don't know much 101 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.279 about her marriage other than the fact that it lasted 102 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.560 such a brief amount of time. But then she married 103 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.160 again so quickly right afterwards. 104 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.720 You say, in August sixth, nineteen twenty eight, so less 105 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:49.000 than a year later, and she was residing in Burley, Idaho. 106 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:52.519 You say, in less than two and a half years 107 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:59.240 she was divorced again. But in Burley she met a 108 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.120 person you called the sweetheart, a young doctor chiropractor named 109 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:08.000 Willis David Broadhurst w w D. As he wanted to 110 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.600 be addressed, and he had a chiropractic clinic in Burley. 111 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.759 How did they meet? How did the doctor and gladys meet, 112 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.519 and what did they do? Once they did how was 113 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.480 the relationship, what was characteristic of it? 114 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.759 Well, I'm quite sure that Gladys was a patient of 115 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:33.079 the doctors in his chiropractic practice, but they were all 116 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.720 both Mormon, so they could have been that they met 117 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:41.680 at church as well. This relationship didn't last a long time, 118 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.519 but of course she's still married to another man, and 119 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.600 we have to read between the lines from the facts 120 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:55.079 that we know, and it's very possible that she engaged 121 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.639 in an affair with the doctor, at least emotionally, and 122 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.839 that result then her second divorce. It also resulted in 123 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.079 the doctor leaving town, so that leads me to think 124 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.560 that there really was something that went on there. He 125 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:16.079 moved from Burleigh, which is in southeastern Idaho, to Caldwell, Idaho, 126 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.519 which is way west southwestern Idaho, very close to the 127 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:21.360 Oregon border. 128 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.879 Now, you say, at the end of the second marriage, 129 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.560 Gladys had the next seven years officially unmarried. And interestingly, 130 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.399 she toured and sang. She's a multi instrumentalist and played 131 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.360 in something called the Ralph's Novelty Orchestra. 132 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.840 That's right. Ralps was her maiden name, and her parents 133 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.720 and her brothers were all quite musical and they had 134 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:50.440 a band that traveled around mostly in California, and it 135 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:56.200 appears that she engaged these next seven years unmarried and 136 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.000 traveling with the band. And probably he's enjoying a pretty 137 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:02.879 good normal life at that time. 138 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:07.600 You said. The next man that she marries is and 139 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:12.960 named a man named Carol Anderson. They were unlike some 140 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.399 of her partners, they were similar in age. She was 141 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:18.399 there one year apart in age, and they married in 142 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.600 January thirtieth, nineteen thirty nine. And at that time she 143 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.279 invented a new middle name for herself, which was Elaine. 144 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.360 And they were in Westwood, California, home of the new 145 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.799 campus of the UCLA. How did Gladys feel about moving 146 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:40.039 from this small place Burley five thousand population to Sacramento. 147 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.840 Well, for a woman like Ladys who enjoyed the company 148 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:51.120 of men and enjoyed being going out and going to shows, 149 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.559 going to movies, going to dances, moving from a small 150 00:09:55.639 --> 00:10:00.080 town in Idaho to down in California, I was a 151 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.279 pretty heavy experience. I think she really enjoyed that. She 152 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.960 enjoyed the limelight. She enjoyed going out. That wasn't good 153 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:13.000 for her marriage, but I think she enjoyed the broader 154 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.000 field that she recognized down there. As far as her 155 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:19.960 middle names go, I find that very interesting. Her birth 156 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:23.360 certificate had no middle name at all. When she married 157 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:29.000 her first husband, William, she chose a middle name of June. 158 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:33.000 But now when she marries this last guy, this next gentleman, 159 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.360 now all of a sudden, it's Elaine. So it shows 160 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:40.639 that Gladys is it feels pretty free to alter the 161 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:44.240 facts to suit her feelings and opinion at the time. 162 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.200 Right you, righte that she likes big, strong men, and 163 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.679 there's a big modern sawmill in the town and the 164 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.639 Paul Bunyans from Westwood, California. But you talk about the 165 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.480 fourth marriage to a gentleman named Virgil D. Warren June ninth, 166 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:07.440 nineteen forty sixteen months after her third marriage, and you 167 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.360 write that she was married at a Baptist church. Meanwhile 168 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.600 she's Mormon. Just evidence that she doesn't take a religion 169 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.799 as seriously as many would, I guess, or many do. 170 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:21.759 And this Virgil is twenty eight years older, and he 171 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:28.960 also worked at this sawmill. What was again, what was this? 172 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.120 How long did this marriage last? And what was there 173 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:37.159 anything interesting about this marriage? Incidental? 174 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.320 Little? I think What's interesting, Dan about this marriage is 175 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.799 that this husband also works in this big sawmill, and 176 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.080 of course it was the biggest, most modern saw mill 177 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.960 in the world. And as you mentioned, this company used 178 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:55.799 the story of Paul Bunyan as kind of their theme. 179 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.159 People always raise their eyebrows when I tell him that, 180 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:03.039 because they equate Paul Bunyan with you know, Minnesota and 181 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.639 Wisconsin in that part of the world. But he actually 182 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:12.399 the stories actually emanated from this mill. They used his 183 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:18.679 stories as advertising material. And but this next husband, now 184 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.840 he's he works in the same mill, So that's got 185 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.679 to have caused some real raised eyebrows around there. Did 186 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.360 she have an affair with him? Did her current husband 187 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.639 know him? If they didn't know each other, they surely 188 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.039 knew people who knew both of them, So I think 189 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:42.440 that must have really been quite quite a subject of 190 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:44.600 gossip around the mill on those days. 191 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.240 You say, within a year, Gladys moves back to Sacramento 192 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.639 and files for divorce. World War two meanwhile was in 193 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:59.480 full force. Who does Gladys meet just around that time, 194 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.279 the tough strong man. 195 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:07.240 Gladys That's right, another big strong guy named Leslie Lincoln. 196 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.080 And Leslie was a lieutenant in the army, and they 197 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.720 were actually married on base at Fort or Down in California. 198 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:22.559 And shortly after they were married, Leslie was sent off 199 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:28.679 to the East Coast to serve there and Gladys remained behind. 200 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.159 She lived briefly with her mother in law, but most 201 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.320 of the time she lived on her own while her 202 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:39.080 husband was away at the war, and there's no evidence 203 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.679 that he actually was in combat. I believe that he 204 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.559 served his time in Washington, d c. But he was 205 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.799 gone from home, and so in a way that was 206 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:56.080 kind of a new exciting experience for Gladys. She was married, 207 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.919 but she didn't have the husband to have to take 208 00:13:58.960 --> 00:13:59.960 care of him be near her. 209 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.919 She had the freedom. What was interesting too, is when 210 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:11.320 on the marriage license when they put occupation, what are 211 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.440 some of the things that Gladys put interestingly on that 212 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:16.279 marriage license. 213 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:23.720 Well, she put that she'd been a teacher. And I've 214 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:28.840 never found any evidence the Gladys ever was gainfully occupied 215 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:34.879 other than her time served traveling with her family band. 216 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.679 I've never seen any evidence that Gladys worked in any 217 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.559 capacity other than as a musician. 218 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:48.080 Yes, we talked about just a minute ago about the 219 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:53.360 two and a half years of freedom that Gladys enjoyed 220 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.200 until Leslie was discharged in nineteen forty four. They moved 221 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:02.759 to Taft, California, until October nineteen forty five, and then 222 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:07.120 they went to Sacramento, and Gladys wasn't having much fun. 223 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:12.840 Apparently there was a new issue between that Leslie had 224 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:17.360 to discover. What was that issue about Gladys that he discovered. 225 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:23.480 Well, it turns out that Gladys had become addicted to 226 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:31.279 a sleeping drug called nimbutol, which was a medication prescribed 227 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.960 to help people with sleeping, but it also was a 228 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.840 very deadly medicine if taken in large quantities, and was 229 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:45.600 actually used to commit executions when people on death row 230 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.240 were executed. This drug was used for that purpose sometimes. 231 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:52.600 So it was a bad drug and she had become 232 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:53.279 addicted to it. 233 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:59.720 Now, August twentieth, nineteen forty five, you're write, Gladys sends 234 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:03.679 it to somebody she knew from the past. Who does 235 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.799 she send a telegram to? And you write that the 236 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:12.480 message was never found, but likely the message, just the 237 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.440 intent of the message would be. What tell us about 238 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:18.879 this telegram? 239 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.720 Well, Gladys has a little bit change of pace, here 240 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.639 and previously looking for new husbands, she always found somebody 241 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:32.919 newer and younger and stronger. But this time she looked 242 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.919 to her past and she sent an email, excuse me, 243 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.200 a telegram. They didn't have emails in those days. Now, 244 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:44.559 she sent a telegram to doctor Willis David Broadhurst and Calledwell, Idaho, 245 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.559 and she rekindled the relationship that they'd had twenty years 246 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.639 earlier when they were in Burley, Idaho. 247 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.360 Right now, she determined something. You write that and you 248 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.240 get inside her mindset. But it's obvious that she does 249 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.799 have some things that she needs to address before she 250 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:10.720 can be successful in attracting this new paramore, this person 251 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.039 from the past. What were those things that she knew 252 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.559 that she had to have an order to be able 253 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.200 to appeal to this doctor. 254 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.559 Well, the first thing is she had to convince the 255 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.599 doctor that she was not after his money. He had 256 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:31.000 become quite wealthy. In fact, by this time, now twenty 257 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.519 years after their earlier relationship, he'd moved to Caldwell. He'd 258 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:39.480 been very successful. He still had a successful chiropractic practice, 259 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.480 but he also had become a landowner. He owned a 260 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:51.359 dairy farm in Calwell, Idaho, where he lived. He didn't 261 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.880 do the dairy work. He leased it out to another dairyman, 262 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.960 but he owned one hundred and sixty acres there in Calwell, 263 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.039 just on the outskirts of town. He also had purchased 264 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:09.880 a large cattle ranch in eastern Oregon that was measured 265 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.079 in sections. He had several sections of land, thousands of 266 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.240 acres of land where he ran cattle and had a 267 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:22.400 ranch out there as well. And the doctor had been 268 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.839 very successful and really his dream was to retire from 269 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:31.599 his chiropractic work and to become a full time rancher. 270 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.680 And so you know, he loved working on the ranch 271 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:40.519 and engaging in all the cattle drives and the hanging 272 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:44.359 and everything like that. So he's very wealthy. At this point, 273 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:49.200 Gladys can't look like a gold digger, so she has 274 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:56.559 a solution. She informs the doctor that she has inherited 275 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.960 three million dollars from her aunt, Mary Johnson, who lived 276 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:06.119 in Hawaii and had bequeathed to her her estate worth 277 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.200 three million dollars. So therefore that makes her much more 278 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.480 wealthy than the doctor, and she thinks that will eliminate 279 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.559 any thoughts on his part that she's marrying him for 280 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:18.160 his money. 281 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:24.319 What about her stated marital status, which was pretty interesting 282 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:26.440 what she say regarding that to him. 283 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.119 Well, of course she can't marry the doctor if she's 284 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.640 still married, and and of course she doesn't even want 285 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:36.799 the doctor to know how many times she's been married. 286 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.559 And so she concocts this story that her husband was 287 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.079 killed in London during World War Two, and that he 288 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:50.160 had a twin brother, an identical twin brother, who was 289 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:54.559 very evil guy, and he had learned of her inheritance 290 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.960 from her aunt Mary, and he was trying to assume 291 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:05.559 the identity of her dead husband, Leslie Lincoln, and thereby 292 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.880 gain access to this huge inheritance that she had coming. 293 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:14.200 And I think the reason that she created this story 294 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:18.400 is if for any reason, the doctor should come into 295 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.519 contact with Leslie, she would be able to explain that, well, 296 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.200 that's not really Leslie, that's my dead husband's twin brother. 297 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:31.839 Step into the world of power, loyalty and luck. 298 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.480 I'm going to make him an offer you can't refuse. 299 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:38.599 With family, canoli's and spins mean everything? 300 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.720 Now you want to get mixed up in the family business. 301 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:46.480 Introducing the Godfather At Champa Casino dot Com, test your 302 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.480 luck in the shadowy world at the Godfather Slodge. 303 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.359 Someday I will call upon you to do a service 304 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:52.640 for me. 305 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.519 Play the Godfather now at Champa Casino dot com. 306 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:58.759 Welcome to the Family vdW group. 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Terms and conditions apply. See website for details. 319 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.319 So he had already made excuse in case something like 320 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:36.000 that happened. 321 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:45.599 So Leslie doesn't know about this correspondence, and that correspondence 322 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:51.279 between her and the doctor is continuing. What happens, How 323 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:56.279 does Leslie find out about this and what's his reaction? 324 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:05.720 Well, as you, I think he mentioned earlier, Gladys and 325 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:11.039 the doctor met in Reno, spent this three day weekend there, 326 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:18.039 got married, and returned home. He was thrilled that he 327 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.160 had a new wife, and she's attractive woman and younger 328 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:24.079 than him. She was eleven years younger than the doctor, 329 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.920 so he was quite thrilled with his new status. And 330 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.039 he was quite a letter writer, and he wrote her 331 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:35.079 a bunch of letters, and Gladys did her best to 332 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:39.039 intercept those letters, but sooner or later she missed one 333 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.400 and Leslie found it. Leslie actually found a letter from 334 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.720 the doctor and a letter from the doctor's wife that 335 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:51.359 showed that Gladys had now gone and created bigamy and 336 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.359 married this doctor while still married to Leslie. So at 337 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.960 that point everything blew up in their face. 338 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:06.759 Now there's a person named Leo O'shay, and this will 339 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.640 be interesting much later in this conversation. How does he 340 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:14.160 fit into this around this time as well? 341 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:20.079 Well, Dan, I'm reading between the lines on this again, 342 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.799 But to me, the evidence points to the fact that 343 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.279 she must have had some sort of relationship with Leo 344 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:34.160 O'Shea at this time. So she's married to Leslie, she's 345 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.480 I guess courting the doctor as the word to use here, 346 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.160 at least trying to entice him, and had some sort 347 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.079 of relationship with Leo, whether they were next door neighbors, 348 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:51.559 lived across the street, knew each other through some other means, 349 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.759 or even maybe had an affair. I don't know the 350 00:23:55.880 --> 00:24:00.480 truth on that, but very clearly she knew knew Leo 351 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:09.559 at the same time. However, that ended and she went 352 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:13.799 and married the doctor, and ultimately, when everything blew up 353 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:18.400 and Leslie found out about it, she contacted the doctor 354 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.279 and he came down and rescued her from the evil 355 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.640 twin that he called that brute in one of his letters. 356 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:36.400 So how does their relationship proceed and the divorce from 357 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.920 Leslie proceed. 358 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:44.079 Well? After Gladys gets back to Idaho with the doctor, 359 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.160 when he picks her up, she's really really done a 360 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.920 number with these drugs and she's groggy. She can't function 361 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:58.880 very well. He's extremely alarmed. He takes her, spent a 362 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.839 couple of nights in the hotel to kind of help 363 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:04.039 dry her out a little bit, and then takes her 364 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.160 back to Idaho, where he enlists the aid of another 365 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:14.319 general practice doctor who's familiar with these drugs, and they 366 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.279 do get her back on her feet to where she's 367 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:22.079 functioning much more normally, and then they go to Jordan Valley. 368 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.559 It's haying time. Jordan Valley, by the way, is the 369 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:30.000 very small town in Idaho where the ranch has. Today 370 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.000 it has one hundred and seventy five residents. In those days, 371 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.079 it might have been a little bit bigger, but it 372 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:39.079 wasn't very big. But they had all this acreage outside 373 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:45.480 of town there, and so they're doing really well. However, lastly, 374 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:50.279 of course, now that he's discovered his wife has committed bigamy, 375 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.200 he's suing her for divorce and the sheriff in Idaho 376 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.880 is given papers to serve on Gladys divorce papers from Leslie, 377 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:05.000 and the sheriff doesn't find her because she's in Oregon 378 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.119 at this time at the ranch. But when she learns 379 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:12.319 the sheriff has been looking for her, she realizes she'd 380 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.279 better get back to California and settle this divorce issue 381 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:21.519 with Leslie before everything really goes crazy. And the doctor 382 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.440 learns everything that will spoil all of her plans. So 383 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.359 she needs to get back there and settle this divorce. 384 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.039 And how does she arrange to be able to do 385 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:34.559 that and cover her true intentions. 386 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:40.880 Well, so there's a problem here, Dan Gladys doesn't drive. Now. 387 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.240 I don't know if she doesn't drive because of her 388 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.799 drug addiction or if she just never learned how to drive. 389 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:52.640 Especially in the forties, thirties and forties, a lot of 390 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.880 women didn't drive, or some women didn't drive. Might be 391 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.839 she never learned, but for one of the reasons she 392 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.680 doesn't drive. I need someone to drive her down there. 393 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.200 The doctor says, well, I don't have time to take 394 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.200 you down there. I mean I could be gone two 395 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.920 or three days, but we're getting indoor haying season now 396 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.160 and I've got to be here. And she says, well, 397 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.200 it'll take a week ten days. The doctor says, I 398 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.960 can't be gone that long. Well, she says, I need 399 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.000 someone to drive me. How about Jack Gallagher? Well, Jack Gallagher, 400 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.160 who's no relation of mine but has the same last name. 401 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.839