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Speaker 2: Rhonda Gooddal. Hello doctor.
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm looking. I'm very happy by the way to
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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about summer camp. Now, there
Speaker 2: were some kids who are already gone the trauma of
Speaker 2: dealing with being away from home. They've already been chipped off, five, ten, fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty miles away. But for the kids who have yet
Speaker 2: to go, how can you help parents say the right
Speaker 2: thing so little Bobby and little Susie will be comfortable
Speaker 2: with going to camp.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I think it's a great topic because
Speaker 3: usually children of all ages at some point will go
Speaker 3: to some kind of camp, whether it's day camp or
Speaker 3: overnight camp, they'll go to some sort of camp and
Speaker 3: it's and so, first of all, I want to say
Speaker 3: camp can be an incredibly rewarding experience for children. And
Speaker 3: the reason is is, in many ways it's a plus
Speaker 3: One they can learn how to make new friends. Two,
Speaker 3: they can learn all sorts of new activities. Three they
Speaker 3: can learn and to appreciate how to deal with things
Speaker 3: when it doesn't go right. They can build their resilience.
Speaker 3: So camp offers a lot of incredible opportunities for children
Speaker 3: to grow in many ways. And whether it's day or
Speaker 3: over night camp, I mean overnight camp provide an additional
Speaker 3: challenge of kids being away from home. But some of
Speaker 3: the major studies show that overnight camp actually is quite
Speaker 3: a growth experience for children in general, but they have
Speaker 3: to buy into it. I do want to say this
Speaker 3: that on any camp, we have to listen to children,
Speaker 3: and we have to listen to what their own thinking
Speaker 3: is in this, and we have to address their anxieties
Speaker 3: in some way. They should be involved in the decision
Speaker 3: making as much as possible, whether it's choosing a camp
Speaker 3: with specific activities that they're particularly interested in. I know,
Speaker 3: sometimes with overnight camps, the parents take them or they
Speaker 3: show them pictures, you know, through zoom of the different aspects.
Speaker 3: They also try to find out what their anxieties are.
Speaker 3: What are the anxieties that the child might have. I
Speaker 3: mean sometimes it is sometimes kids don't know how to
Speaker 3: take a shower. They've only taken a bath and they're
Speaker 3: going to go to camp. It's just showers and giving
Speaker 3: them those experiences, letting them take something that's very close
Speaker 3: to them, like so that their bed will be like
Speaker 3: their bed, maybe a special stuffed animal or special thing
Speaker 3: that is very important to them. And yeah, anything that
Speaker 3: makes them feel much better. Maybe practicing sleepovers if they've
Speaker 3: never been away, you know, like with a friend's house.
Speaker 3: Visiting the camp is kind of would be helpful if
Speaker 3: the parents can do it. I know they rezoom, but
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different to go there in person.
Speaker 3: And sometimes and just basically not taking a lot of
Speaker 3: time when you drop them off, in other words, don't linger,
Speaker 3: you know, basically say goodbye. Make sure they have like
Speaker 3: the necessary equipment to write to you, the pencils. I
Speaker 3: mean some parents, I know in my own case that
Speaker 3: my daughter labeled everything for a camp. She she's going
Speaker 3: to overnight camp. She's eight years old, she's going for
Speaker 3: the first time. Everything's labeled. I think the major thing
Speaker 3: is to really talk with kids and also share your
Speaker 3: own positive experiences with the camp. What did you like?
Speaker 3: You know, what did you find helpful, even if it's
Speaker 3: even if it's showed them, because sometimes parents say, I
Speaker 3: have a child with a disability, If you have a
Speaker 3: child who has some sort of special needs, just find
Speaker 3: out what the camp's situation is. Do they have counselors,
Speaker 3: what they support systems, what do they offer children? And
Speaker 3: children can learn a lot. I even say if children
Speaker 3: fail at home, because sometimes parents want to protect children
Speaker 3: from failures, but by failing, they understand that they can
Speaker 3: be resilient, that they can understand a little bit about themselves,
Speaker 3: whether it's a failure in an activity or a friendship.
Speaker 3: They learn more about themselves and they can gain more
Speaker 3: strength as they go through these experiences. I also think
Speaker 3: of people listening to us for parents out there or
Speaker 3: you know, is to think about your own experiences in camp.
Speaker 3: What worked, what didn't work? What can you share positive
Speaker 3: with your own child. Those are some of the things
Speaker 3: that I would say, I.
Speaker 2: Remember my camping experience. I think I was in the
Speaker 2: third or fourth grade and I went to a y
Speaker 2: day camp, Camp Hondaka. I don't know where it is.
Speaker 2: I know it took like forty five minutes to get there,
Speaker 2: so forty five minutes outside of Boston.
Speaker 4: Wherever it was. They had archery, they had.
Speaker 2: Activities, and we spent like four days there and I
Speaker 2: enjoyed that. And separately, the why had an overnight camp,
Speaker 2: Camp oh Samoquin, and ironically recently I found the brochure
Speaker 2: that they gave to parents so you could see what
Speaker 2: the camp had to offer. And I did two summers,
Speaker 2: like four weeks at Camp ol Samoquin. But I was
Speaker 2: also fortunate that my family had family that lived in Plimpton,
Speaker 2: mass So for at least six or seven summers, sometime
Speaker 2: overlapping my elementary school years and junior high school years,
Speaker 2: I would spend the summer at Margaret's house in Plimpton.
Speaker 2: And these memories are still quite clear. I have one
Speaker 2: of those memories anyway, But it's amazing that none of
Speaker 2: us got hurt climbing trees or doing boys stuff in
Speaker 2: the summer in Plimpton. They had a huge property, so
Speaker 2: we could wander over. I'm gonna say three fields worth
Speaker 2: a property. There was woods, we could climb what we
Speaker 2: all called the camp tree, which was a big evergreen
Speaker 2: tree at the foot of the woods. And tell you what,
Speaker 2: I gotta stop. I'll keep going because it's time for
Speaker 2: a break if you want to. You've got a son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild,
Speaker 2: and you might want to make a couple of comments
Speaker 2: because you know they are hesitant about going away to camp.
Speaker 2: We have a doctor. Now, are you a psychologist or
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist or both?
Speaker 3: Psychologist? I'm a psychologist, all right, So if you want
Speaker 3: to speak, and by the way, they can talk about
Speaker 3: their own experiences too.
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan on w Boston's News.
Speaker 2: Dan is off tonight. He's off for the next seven
Speaker 2: night sides tonight. Obviously, I've been here since eight tomorrow
Speaker 2: and all next week, but I'm here tonight. I'm here tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Bradley Jay has returned to the fold. He'll be filling
Speaker 2: in for day on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I as
Speaker 2: well will be back next Thursday and Friday. So plan accordingly.
Speaker 2: I've got doctor Ronder Gooddale here and we're talking about
Speaker 2: the kids who are hesitant about going away to camp.
Speaker 2: Let's say they're seven years old. They've never been away
Speaker 2: from home at camp, and they necessarily don't want to
Speaker 2: do this. I've got doctor Gooddial good Dale here, a psychologist,
Speaker 2: and she's got suggestions on how you can make it
Speaker 2: easier for your child to accept leaving home. Doctor, what
Speaker 2: is it about leaving home that a lot of kids dislike?
Speaker 3: Well, I think they're afraid. First of all, children like routines,
Speaker 3: and you're changing their routines and they get used to how
Speaker 3: they get up in the morning, how they do their rituals,
Speaker 3: their friends, what their day looks like, what their evening
Speaker 3: looks like, how do they go to bed. So you're
Speaker 3: changing all of those rituals, which is you know, any
Speaker 3: change can bring some aspect of anxiety with it. So
Speaker 3: one of the things to think about with that is
Speaker 3: to go through what a day would be like with
Speaker 3: them and what with their meals would be like, what
Speaker 3: would their sleeping arrangements be like? And making things so
Speaker 3: that you can talk about it with them and they
Speaker 3: can and talk about their anxieties, what other anxieties about this,
Speaker 3: and basically to try to help them to feel more
Speaker 3: comfortable with it. How to make their bed more like
Speaker 3: the bed at home, how to you know, talk about
Speaker 3: building in some of the routines even though it will change,
Speaker 3: and also emphasizing a lot some of the new things.
Speaker 3: And I think you were saying somethings and you were
Speaker 3: talking about your camp experiences and more going about how
Speaker 3: you learn new activities. I think that's one of the
Speaker 3: major things with camp that you learn new skills, things
Speaker 3: that you probably are not going to learn in other places.
Speaker 3: And also not having parents there, you're learning a lot
Speaker 3: about how to negotiate things without your parents. So you're
Speaker 3: building some strength about yourself as a person. You're beginning
Speaker 3: to more understand more about yourself. It is very important
Speaker 3: to know who the counselors are in a camp, how
Speaker 3: camp is run. That's very important because if a child
Speaker 3: does run into problems, you want to know that they
Speaker 3: have a support system and so to explain to a
Speaker 3: child so you can say, well, if you're having problems,
Speaker 3: you get you'll have people to talk to, you know,
Speaker 3: so that the child does feel that they have a
Speaker 3: comfort zone there. That's some of the things to think
Speaker 3: about with camp. I know myself, I actually went away
Speaker 3: from overnight camp from the time I was four years old,
Speaker 3: so I really had a lot of experience with overnight camp.
Speaker 3: And I think I do remember my sister was quite young.
Speaker 3: My mother was not well time, and that's one of
Speaker 3: the reasons we ended up in a Nova night camp.
Speaker 3: But I remember my sister who really wasn't used to it.
Speaker 3: She was just sent and she was very young. We
Speaker 3: can talk about that in the second. The age, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a big adjustment for her and for me
Speaker 3: it wasn't as much it was. So you have to
Speaker 3: know the age of the child. So that's what I
Speaker 3: was going to say, three and four is very young,
Speaker 3: I'm clearing when mostly overnight camp, you're talking maybe eight,
Speaker 3: nine and ten for starting and having other camps toforce,
Speaker 3: like day camps or other experiences before they get sent away.
Speaker 4: Is it more like fact? Okay?
Speaker 2: Is it more likely that apparent? If possible? Well, sending
Speaker 2: a child to a camp they went to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do that. It's the camps still around they
Speaker 3: will do that. And there's some camps that have been
Speaker 3: around a long long time. And also there are camps
Speaker 3: where brothers and sisters go, Like I know one family,
Speaker 3: the brother has gone there a long time. I was
Speaker 3: sister going to go there. So there's that factor. And
Speaker 3: then in terms of overnight camps are quite costly, so people,
Speaker 3: depending on the family, they're you know, looking at what
Speaker 3: are some of the options around, like we why camps
Speaker 3: and other camp options that are available in your community
Speaker 3: for children, because that's sometimes a factor two in the
Speaker 3: overnight camp experience.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember when I was a kid, the one
Speaker 2: thing I didn't like.
Speaker 4: No TV.
Speaker 2: I was a child that would do my homework and
Speaker 2: sit down in front of the TV till bedtime. And
Speaker 2: I was fortunate that my mother and grandmother allowed me
Speaker 2: to have a TV in my bedroom. So when I
Speaker 2: found out I was going to camp, I said, well,
Speaker 2: will there be TV there?
Speaker 4: And they said no.
Speaker 2: And when I stayed at my aunt Mogarets, she had
Speaker 2: a TV and whether they were going to watch thing
Speaker 2: I liked or didn't like, at least it was television
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming now it's even much worse for kids
Speaker 2: because you can't play with your computer or can.
Speaker 3: You Oh no, no, most camps are not let iPads
Speaker 3: and the phones none of that. Don't and like I
Speaker 3: know a lot of them, they just don't do that.
Speaker 3: The children come back with writing things. So the big
Speaker 3: thing is they're emphasizing books. Now, let's say you have
Speaker 3: a child who doesn't read a lot, you know, and
Speaker 3: you can get picture I mean this graphic novel where
Speaker 3: it's just pictures. But then you have to also realize
Speaker 3: a lot of them are very tied at the end
Speaker 3: of the Day's the other thing that's different than when
Speaker 3: you're at home. When they get there, like at bedtime,
Speaker 3: they're exhausted, they've been running all day aring and you know, actually,
Speaker 3: so it's a little different than when you're home because
Speaker 3: the activities that gee it doing things and they usually
Speaker 3: it is even activities in camp, whether it's a campfire
Speaker 3: with roast marshmallows, singing songs. These are some of the
Speaker 3: fond memories that kids will have. Some kids, I mean
Speaker 3: have cand friends. They have the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3: They can they make friends and I can remember sometimes
Speaker 3: kids have battles in kids. But one thing that's kind
Speaker 3: of interesting about it is, and I think today, in
Speaker 3: this day and age, we have many more helicopter parents
Speaker 3: who monitor everything goes on with the kids. What kids
Speaker 3: learn without their parents is how they can be resilient,
Speaker 3: how they survive without someone jumping in. And even if
Speaker 3: something you know, they get heard or they get up
Speaker 3: end up being rejected. How do you deal with that
Speaker 3: as a person?
Speaker 1: How do you move on?
Speaker 3: What do you learn about yourself? What do you learn
Speaker 3: that's good about yourself? What is what do you learn
Speaker 3: about connecting with other people? What do you learn about
Speaker 3: how to make strong friendships? What do you learn about
Speaker 3: when you don't do out something you know? How do
Speaker 3: you go back to it? You know? What do you learn?
Speaker 3: So the extra tremendous amount of learning that can take
Speaker 3: place in camp that parents in their own they could
Speaker 3: do it. I guess the parents can provide someone, do
Speaker 3: you think, But then they would have to actually orchestrate
Speaker 3: many of those similar experiences. So and sometimes parent families,
Speaker 3: instead of going to camp, have a routine where they
Speaker 3: visit relatives, they're another part of the country. It's a
Speaker 3: totally different routine. For they give and they're visiting different people,
Speaker 3: they're going on a trip, they're on a car, this
Speaker 3: and that. So I do think it's important for families
Speaker 3: to think about the different experiences you're exposing your children
Speaker 3: to in the summer and what they're going to learn
Speaker 3: from the end of that. Like schools, I know, do
Speaker 3: a lot with the book. There's a lot of things
Speaker 3: that schools actually try to structure for this. But I
Speaker 3: do think that if you talk to most people who've
Speaker 3: go out to camp, and I'd love to see some
Speaker 3: of our people call in their own experiences what was
Speaker 3: good about it? One of the things that they learned
Speaker 3: that they never would have learned anywhere else in camp
Speaker 3: And I know for me you decided to talk about it.
Speaker 3: You did things like archery. I know I never would
Speaker 3: have done any other place. You know, some of the
Speaker 3: activities that we learned very specific to camp, to the ball.
Speaker 3: There were certain activities that were very very different that
Speaker 3: you might not experience in other places. Did you find
Speaker 3: you learned the new things?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you mentioned archery, there were bullies
Speaker 2: at camp, and I'm sure that's still the case today
Speaker 2: because there have always been those that will pick on
Speaker 2: people kids their own age that they feel are weaker
Speaker 2: by comparison. But I quickly discovered I was very good
Speaker 2: at archery, and I went from yeomen the entry level
Speaker 2: scoring of being able to put an arrow in a
Speaker 2: target or yeoman yeoman junior bowman and bowman like in
Speaker 2: a day and a half. And the fact that I
Speaker 2: was that good at ten years old at putting an
Speaker 2: arrow a good thirty yards away with precision, the bullies
Speaker 2: left me alone. And the other thing that I developed
Speaker 2: a kind of a skill for mumblety peg, the thing
Speaker 2: you had a jackknife and you would throw it from
Speaker 2: your shoulder, from your elbow, from the back of your hand.
Speaker 2: I forget the routine, but I kind of excelled at that.
Speaker 2: So having a skill or a talent allowed me to
Speaker 2: become a bit more in the general population of popularity,
Speaker 2: to say it in a simple way, and that's the key,
Speaker 2: because if if you're in camp, find something that you
Speaker 2: can do that will give the other kids a reason
Speaker 2: to say, hey, look, Joey's pretty good at doing that,
Speaker 2: throwing a horseshoe, Hey look Sally's pretty good at that.
Speaker 2: Whatever the activity may be, let's all make a gimp necklace.
Speaker 2: It's not easy to do, and do it quickly and
Speaker 2: in an attractive way.
Speaker 4: That's a skill and.
Speaker 2: If you can exploit your skill, you can keep the
Speaker 2: bullies at bay. That's what I found. Tell you what,
Speaker 2: Let me take a break. I don't want to turn
Speaker 2: this into doctor Goodylan Morgan just having a two hour conversation.
Speaker 4: We've only got a half hour show to go, but
Speaker 4: call in.
Speaker 2: Share your experiences that you had when you were a kid,
Speaker 2: or your experience it says through your child six one, seven, two, five, four,
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Speaker 2: do it again real quick. I'm here now until midnight.
Speaker 2: I'll be here tomorrow eight to midnight. Bradley Jay will
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Speaker 2: here on wbz's Night Side with Bradley Jay Monday. I'll
Speaker 2: be back next Thursday and next Friday, and I'm always
Speaker 2: here on Saturday. My guest right now, doctor Ronda Gooddal
Speaker 2: noted psychologists. I want to make sure I state that correctly.
Speaker 2: And we're talking about the kids who are going to
Speaker 2: be sent to overnight summer camp. It's easier in concept
Speaker 2: concept with a tea to send them to a day
Speaker 2: camp because they're coming home, no matter how much trepidation
Speaker 2: they may be dealing with in their head. They know
Speaker 2: they're coming home at four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock.
Speaker 2: But overnight for a week or two weeks or more
Speaker 2: of camp can cause a little consternation in little Junior
Speaker 2: or little miss. So we're looking at ways to make
Speaker 2: your child feel more comfortable being sent to an overnight camp.
Speaker 2: Now this is twenty twenty five. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if going to an overnight camp is as popular as
Speaker 2: it was when I was a kid in the sixties,
Speaker 2: doctor is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still very popular, but it's pretty it's very
Speaker 3: expensive option, and that's so one of the things that think.
Speaker 3: Luckily we have things like the Why and there's some
Speaker 3: opportunities in that regarding some camps to us and scholarships,
Speaker 3: but it is a really expensive thing to do, and
Speaker 3: I think that's why sometimes you'll see parents sending the
Speaker 3: child a short amount of time just on that basis alone.
Speaker 3: One of the things I was going to say though,
Speaker 3: which I didn say before, I think generally the age
Speaker 3: which is I mean is no fixed age, but generally
Speaker 3: I think when kids are between seven and fifteen is
Speaker 3: a good age for that. And I do think that
Speaker 3: it's good to stop them in camp. Are different things
Speaker 3: like day camp, shorter sessions, and as you said, sometimes
Speaker 3: The Why does offer like you had talked about, a
Speaker 3: week or two weeks, in other words, more shortened sessions
Speaker 3: for a child to get more used to going away
Speaker 3: to the camp. I also think as much input as
Speaker 3: the child can have, the better if they If it's
Speaker 3: choice here, you know, anytime that people feel more in control,
Speaker 3: they feel better. So whatever choices they can make, even
Speaker 3: about the clothing we sometimes like there's an outfit, or
Speaker 3: even how they pack, or you know, or what they're
Speaker 3: going to bring or you know, any or even the
Speaker 3: activities maybe they can choose when they're in a camp,
Speaker 3: when they look at what the camp offers. The more
Speaker 3: choice they have, the more in control they're going to feel.
Speaker 3: Most of us like to have some options. So and I,
Speaker 3: by the way, I like what you said before the
Speaker 3: break about feeling. I think it's great for children to
Speaker 3: get some area where they're really expert at. And like
Speaker 3: you were saying about the archery, well I can remember
Speaker 3: even a kid sometimes just having understanding more about cars
Speaker 3: and more about different animals or reactivities, whether it's swimming
Speaker 3: or gimp as you talked about. That's a big thing
Speaker 3: in camp, learning how to use you know, gimp and
Speaker 3: making lariots and all that. Or it might be in
Speaker 3: a plane camp sometimes they do singing, and that's the
Speaker 3: other thing a camp. Sometimes they're exposed to things they
Speaker 3: will never be exposed to again, and they find they're
Speaker 3: good at it. Like you said, oh you're good at atrey.
Speaker 3: You might not have ever known that unless you went
Speaker 3: to the camp and all of a sudden you find
Speaker 3: out something new about yourself. And that's the other thing
Speaker 3: you gain one knowledge about yourself, you gain more skills.
Speaker 3: It makes you lodger as a person. I think whenever
Speaker 3: kids have anxiety, what I do think parents a grandparents
Speaker 3: should be doing is not just poo pulling them away.
Speaker 3: Find out what they are. Listen to them, you know,
Speaker 3: don't tell them, oh, it's all going to go away,
Speaker 3: you know, find out if they are scared of going away,
Speaker 3: and what are you scared of? I'm scared of being
Speaker 3: you know, just sleeping without you know, without day. Well, okay,
Speaker 3: let's find something that's going to make you comfortable or
Speaker 3: you know, I'm scared about what my day will look like. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's go through the routine. And sometimes even when they're
Speaker 3: going to an O WHENI camp, a good thing is
Speaker 3: for them to get Usually camps will do this, have
Speaker 3: a list of former campus that have gone there that
Speaker 3: they could talk to, like sort of like a guide
Speaker 3: when they're there, you know, like a little older camp.
Speaker 3: But what their what their anxieties were, did they overcome them,
Speaker 3: how did they overcome them, you know, And I think
Speaker 3: that can be helped like a buddy system, Like having
Speaker 3: a buddy that you know can be helpful to you
Speaker 3: to negotiate what their experiences were. So that's another thing
Speaker 3: to think about, you know. I do I think that
Speaker 3: if the parents actually sometimes I'm more worried than the children.
Speaker 3: That's the idea I want to say. So, sometimes parents
Speaker 3: are very anxious. They get more anxious about the kids
Speaker 3: of what will happen. He likes this is she likes that.
Speaker 3: You have to have I do think sometimes parents are
Speaker 3: a little overprotective. You have to have confidence in your
Speaker 3: own children's resilience, you know, because when you're not always
Speaker 3: going to be there, that they can solve something. So
Speaker 3: what happens if they cry, what happens, if they get hurt,
Speaker 3: They're going to be okay. They're going to be okay
Speaker 3: if you trust, If you're in an environment where you
Speaker 3: think that the people in charge are knowledgeable and the
Speaker 3: parents should they should look up how their camp is
Speaker 3: r on, they should look up the reviews. They should
Speaker 3: talk to maybe parents who send their kids to that camp,
Speaker 3: you know, So that in other words, the parents themselves
Speaker 3: needs to feel more reassured that that camping experience is
Speaker 3: going to be a positive one for their child.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for interrupting you, but you mentioned that this
Speaker 2: could be an expensive proposition. I don't know what it
Speaker 2: would cost to send a kid two weeks to go
Speaker 2: to a camp. But how do people listening right now,
Speaker 2: who know that they're on a very tight shoe string
Speaker 2: of a budget, how do they search out a camp
Speaker 2: that will offer a stipend to help you?
Speaker 3: Well, so looking online is one way to do it, obviously.
Speaker 3: I think people who are involved in any way in
Speaker 3: religious situations, obviously the church, the temple might know of
Speaker 3: camps where their os scholarships, that's one vehicle. Places like
Speaker 3: the boys and Girls clubs. Will you know, usually there
Speaker 3: is some knowledge of camps the earth and some supports
Speaker 3: available for children in that respect, most camps will have
Speaker 3: some scholarships. But you know you and so let's say
Speaker 3: a child's looking and they really love a camp, it's
Speaker 3: all good to call, even if it's not listened. Call
Speaker 3: the camp find out what's their options. If it was
Speaker 3: my kid and I really really wanted to go, I
Speaker 3: thought I would do, but I you know, it's always
Speaker 3: good because you never know. Sometimes things are writing, some
Speaker 3: things are not in writing. But the local things I say,
Speaker 3: the most visually, the more cost effective things generally are
Speaker 3: things like why, things like in some religious organizations that
Speaker 3: offer things. So it's either boys clubs, girls clubs, why,
Speaker 3: things of that nature, and most of them will offer
Speaker 3: a week or two away. And then the other thing
Speaker 3: to think about is if you are thinking an overnight camp,
Speaker 3: you know, have the kids save. That's the other thing.
Speaker 3: If they really want to go somewhere, that's another thing
Speaker 3: they can contribute. They can save, they can do choices,
Speaker 3: they can do things because they get money, usually from relatives,
Speaker 3: so they can feel really part of it in a
Speaker 3: way that's meaningful. The more they're part of it, the
Speaker 3: more enriched the experience will be for them, That's what
Speaker 3: I would say. And the more you give them opportunities
Speaker 3: the more the less that you put into it, and
Speaker 3: the more the child puts into it, the more the
Speaker 3: opportunity will be worthwhile for that child.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm in a position where I have to
Speaker 2: ask this question. Camping overnight is different a little for
Speaker 2: boys versus girls. And if you want to speak to
Speaker 2: that difference and speak to how a mother and father
Speaker 2: should deal with their daughter going away versus dealing with
Speaker 2: their son going away.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a really good question. And the
Speaker 3: first of all, there are depending on the parent and
Speaker 3: their feelings about all of the first I'll find out
Speaker 3: what the kid. Always getting input from a child is
Speaker 3: really important, So showing them the pictures and showing them
Speaker 3: that there's all girls camps and there's all boys camp
Speaker 3: and there's co ed camps. Coed camps usually have very
Speaker 3: separate areas for both places. But then there's some opportunities
Speaker 3: at points. Obviously as the kids are old, they're like
Speaker 3: teenage years when they're going away, there were different issues involved. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because it's well also and because of a lot of camps,
Speaker 3: even by fifteen or sixteen, they can be like counselors
Speaker 3: in training. So this, Oh, that's the other thing I
Speaker 3: talked about. Some camps have children who are teenagers. They've
Speaker 3: guild them so many responsibilities, learning how to deal with
Speaker 3: things and learning how to negotiate things because they train them,
Speaker 3: you know, to be counselors and how to deal with kids.
Speaker 3: So that's another whole opportunity for children who are more
Speaker 3: like fifteen who parents are saying, what am I going
Speaker 3: to do with my fifteen year old?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I mean, so that's also another thing for parents to
Speaker 3: think about. The counsel in training opportunities to camp, and
Speaker 3: usually council and trainings pay much less money to go
Speaker 3: and they get the training. So that's another thing to
Speaker 3: think about. But yeah, looking out this type of camp
Speaker 3: you want, Like I know, in the case of like
Speaker 3: my daughter's child, the eight year old going, she will
Speaker 3: looked at everything and decided to go to an all
Speaker 3: girl camp. That's what she wanted. Okay, that's what they
Speaker 3: looked for. And then another friend's daughter decided she wanted
Speaker 3: to go to Kayo White camp. All right, both the
Speaker 3: same age, So it's you know, each child has different again,
Speaker 3: the more comfort zone, more interest. As much as a
Speaker 3: child can make some choices here, that's a good thing
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 4: Be evolved as possible.
Speaker 3: As much as possible, as much as possible.
Speaker 2: Let me stop, you I think I gotta take a
Speaker 2: break every now and then. Let me stop, and we'll
Speaker 2: pick up right where we've left off. And I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this again, this has been a tutorial between
Speaker 2: the doctor and myself some of you us have questioned
Speaker 2: some of you must want to raise a point. You've
Speaker 2: got maybe twelve minutes to do so six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten
Speaker 2: thirty time and temperature eleven forty five seventy one degrees.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you
Speaker 1: Bzy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, eight minutes of show to go. This is
Speaker 2: Morgan Morgan White Junior. Normally you hear me on Saturday,
Speaker 2: which reminds me. This Saturday, there is a production based
Speaker 2: on the life of Judy Tanuda, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: speaking with Taylor Blackwell this Saturday night about that production,
Speaker 2: and as well, I'll be doing trivia because this is
Speaker 2: the July fourth weekend. I wrote questions that all evolve
Speaker 2: around special holidays. They could be just another day, or
Speaker 2: they could be Christmas, first day of spring. You'll see
Speaker 2: that'll be this Saturday tomorrow, being Friday, July fourth. I
Speaker 2: mentioned Bill and Bo Winnaker will be here talking about
Speaker 2: their career, and they've gone away to Maine. They are
Speaker 2: sacrificing some of their time on vacation to be on
Speaker 2: Night Side with me and I do appreciate that. And
Speaker 2: Jack Hart, he'll be here ten to midnight and we'll
Speaker 2: be reviewing some of the special events people circumstances around
Speaker 2: the fourth of July. But right now, for another seven
Speaker 2: or eight minutes, I've got psychologist doctor Ron good deal
Speaker 2: and doctor what should we let people know about you
Speaker 2: that may put a special light on your career.
Speaker 3: So I think what makes my particular background interesting is
Speaker 3: I've worked with a lot of school age kids about
Speaker 3: my whole life, as both a psychologist and as an educator,
Speaker 3: and I've done a lot of work with children with disabilities,
Speaker 3: and so I think that makes my experiences a little
Speaker 3: bit unique in the sense that, you know, I did
Speaker 3: supervised psychologists, but I also have worked with teachers a lot,
Speaker 3: so you know, and so therefore, talking about something in
Speaker 3: the camp, I'm working with people who work in those situations,
Speaker 3: and so I can I basically that is what I
Speaker 3: feel very much that I can support, although of course
Speaker 3: I know a lot about adults too, but that's my focus.
Speaker 3: I wanted to mention two things I forgot to mention.
Speaker 3: American Camping Association is a very very important point. Go
Speaker 3: to google it. It's worldwide. It's you know, American Camp Association,
Speaker 3: and they lift all the camps and what's good about camps,
Speaker 3: what's bad about camps, and all of those information, and
Speaker 3: also in terms of more reasonable camps, Girl boys, Scout, campfire,
Speaker 3: all those types of camps are also places to think about.
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure I said that for parents
Speaker 3: who are looking for, you know, looking at resources for
Speaker 3: camps and reviews about camps and what certain camps are like.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I didn't say, which is kind
Speaker 3: of important, parents should understand when the kids go away,
Speaker 3: that's an opportunity for you as adults to find time
Speaker 3: for yourself to do things. And I know a lot
Speaker 3: of times, I know that sounds funny, but a lot
Speaker 3: of times this is when the people go out and
Speaker 3: do their own hobbies. You know, they have more free
Speaker 3: time because usually when your kids at home, you don't
Speaker 3: have that. So it's an opportunity for couples or individuals
Speaker 3: to develop some of the things they like to do
Speaker 3: their hobbies. It could be golfing or just reading books
Speaker 3: or whatever, the walks, whatever they like to do. I
Speaker 3: think sometimes that that's a very interesting like sidebar here
Speaker 3: that it gives an opportunity when people are with their
Speaker 3: children all the time, you know, to really having that
Speaker 3: space of time for themselves too, as individuals or couples
Speaker 3: or whatever. So that's another whole little thing that is
Speaker 3: like a sidebar. And the reason I say that is
Speaker 3: sometimes you talk to families own and I'm not going
Speaker 3: on a reason that the couple is going on a
Speaker 3: vacation or so it's kind of interesting to see what
Speaker 3: the parents do are the you know, our parent does
Speaker 3: when the child basically goes away to overnight camp.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 2: Give credit to sleeping late on a Saturday and or
Speaker 2: a Sunday. The fact that the child's are camp and
Speaker 2: you don't have to get up with them and fix breakfast.
Speaker 2: You don't have to get up and do anything as
Speaker 2: a supervisor of your child. Your child somebody else's issue
Speaker 2: for the next two weeks a one week sleep late.
Speaker 2: My son, my son who lives in South Carolina, his
Speaker 2: wife and two children, flew up on Tuesday to spend
Speaker 2: some time in this area. They were from this area,
Speaker 2: but they moved to South Carolina a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: But the key is a traditional approach. She sat in
Speaker 2: between the two kids on the plane. He was in
Speaker 2: a separate seat and he liked.
Speaker 4: It that way.
Speaker 2: So his wife was the supervisor of a five year
Speaker 2: old and a nine months old. Not an easy position
Speaker 2: to have, and.
Speaker 3: Especially on a plane.
Speaker 4: Have you ever done that as far as being on
Speaker 4: the plane with your kids?
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, yes, yes, yes, quickly, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: I can remember actually at the trip when one of
Speaker 3: my kids was three months old, and I remember taking them.
Speaker 3: I do remember this so funny in California and we
Speaker 3: were and we went into uh, you know, the Alcatraz prison,
Speaker 3: and I had the baby with me them thinking about this,
Speaker 3: and the door closed and she just cried because I forgot.
Speaker 3: The sound was so even though yeah, even even though
Speaker 3: it so anyway, yes, I did quite a bit of
Speaker 3: traveling and yeah, so it's a little crazy. You never
Speaker 3: know what they're going to do. It's very unpredictable with
Speaker 3: little infants. But anyway, yeah, so I do want to say,
Speaker 3: and now we're getting to the end. I really hope
Speaker 3: I mean I took o we didn't get more people
Speaker 3: calling about their own camping experiences. I hope people out there,
Speaker 3: you know, will encourage if they themselves. You have people
Speaker 3: in realize either friends, which most people obviously have friends,
Speaker 3: or family who have children. This is a really good
Speaker 3: experience for kids to do this. And you know, I
Speaker 3: really encouraged them to do this, to send kids away
Speaker 3: to a camp at some point, even if it's for
Speaker 3: a short period of time, because it really is a
Speaker 3: very valuable experience for kids to have, right.
Speaker 2: And I'm thankful in my childhood that I had that
Speaker 2: experience because it did teach me how to get along
Speaker 2: with other kids. It's funny because I was a member
Speaker 2: of the YMCA on Huntington Avenue and to interact with
Speaker 2: those kids, basically it was like interacting with some of
Speaker 2: the kids with which I went to school, the C. C.
Speaker 2: Perkins School on Saint patolf But now it expanded out
Speaker 2: and I had to get along with a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of kids from not my neighborhood, not my YMCA. These
Speaker 2: were kids that were from all over the state of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: And you think a swim and I fortunately learned to
Speaker 2: swim and learned to adjust. And now at that point,
Speaker 2: I got like thirty seconds that they say thank you
Speaker 2: and good.
Speaker 4: Night to you.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll have you on again, and I know
Speaker 2: that tonight's just a holiday weekend. Circumstances probably played into
Speaker 2: not getting phone calls, but you know your advice is
Speaker 2: well respected. And I want to thank you for being
Speaker 2: on with me.
Speaker 3: And I really enjoyed it as much. And I really
Speaker 3: do hope that people have a nice shall life for summer.
Speaker 4: Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: And I also want to say thank you for Jordan
Speaker 2: rich Don a helper, and Joyce Goo Heywick. I'll be
Speaker 2: here tomorrow and tomorrow Bill but Winnaker will.
Speaker 4: Be joining me.
Speaker 2: Jack Hart will be joining me. Thank you to Rob
Speaker 2: and Shane who are in busy control. Thank you Nancy,
Speaker 2: and thank you Greg.
Speaker 4: Wherever you are. Please be safe.
Speaker 2: This weekend, pretty pretty, Please be as safe as you
Speaker 2: can be. I'll be back tomorrow at eight. Bye, Boston,