WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:02.839 It's night side with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:09.880 I'm telling you Boston's video the last hour of me 3 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.720 being here filling in for Dan Ray tonight, and I'll 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:19.320 be here tomorrow night. And I'm mentioning this because you 5 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:21.760 have to cross promote and let people know what you've 6 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.039 got upcoming and planned. And I'm saying this because I 7 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:30.039 know my next guest is on hold and hearing me. 8 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:36.039 Tomorrow night. They are calling for Maine. They're on their vacation, 9 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.240 and the sacrifice in two hours of their vacation to 10 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:45.200 be on the Dan Ratio night side with me Bill 11 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:49.840 and Beau Winnaker. I hope you heard that. Doctor Bill 12 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:54.840 and Bow will be here tomorrow from eight until ten 13 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.640 and then at ten because it's the fourth of July. 14 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.119 I've got Jack Hart, who's like my local historian. His 15 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.959 day job is driving around a tour bus letting all 16 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.879 the tourists that come into Boston know over there is 17 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.519 where this happened, and over there is where that happened. 18 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.239 And he'll be here from ten to midnight giving us 19 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:20.120 some July fourth history. So that's my nightside plan for 20 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.519 tomorrow evening. And you heard me referring to a doctor. 21 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:30.840 I first had her on during the marathon bombing, and 22 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:39.280 how parents could explain that event to children. We as adults, 23 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:47.120 we've become kind of jaded an acceptance of these terrorist circumstances, 24 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.159 But being a kid in the third, fourth, fifth grade, 25 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:57.799 it took a special hand and guidance to help them 26 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:04.920 understand that. Where my next guest shines. Please welcome doctor 27 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.680 Rhonda Gooddal. Hello doctor. 28 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.960 Hello, I'm looking. I'm very happy by the way to 29 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.759 hear the Winnick is coming on to work. 30 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.560 I saved promoting that until I knew you were here 31 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:23.039 because I know they have won you over with their entertainment. 32 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:26.520 Oh yes, I think they're unbelievably great. 33 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:28.639 They are. They are. 34 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.759 So we're going to talk about summer camp. Now, there 35 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:37.759 were some kids who are already gone the trauma of 36 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:45.319 dealing with being away from home. They've already been chipped off, five, ten, fifteen, 37 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.639 twenty miles away. But for the kids who have yet 38 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:53.520 to go, how can you help parents say the right 39 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.560 thing so little Bobby and little Susie will be comfortable 40 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:58.520 with going to camp. 41 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:03.599 Okay, I mean, I think it's a great topic because 42 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.599 usually children of all ages at some point will go 43 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.439 to some kind of camp, whether it's day camp or 44 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.319 overnight camp, they'll go to some sort of camp and 45 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:15.560 it's and so, first of all, I want to say 46 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.319 camp can be an incredibly rewarding experience for children. And 47 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.319 the reason is is, in many ways it's a plus 48 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.199 One they can learn how to make new friends. Two, 49 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.919 they can learn all sorts of new activities. Three they 50 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.080 can learn and to appreciate how to deal with things 51 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.560 when it doesn't go right. They can build their resilience. 52 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.680 So camp offers a lot of incredible opportunities for children 53 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.439 to grow in many ways. And whether it's day or 54 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:51.159 over night camp, I mean overnight camp provide an additional 55 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.240 challenge of kids being away from home. But some of 56 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:59.240 the major studies show that overnight camp actually is quite 57 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.039 a growth experience for children in general, but they have 58 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.159 to buy into it. I do want to say this 59 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.120 that on any camp, we have to listen to children, 60 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.400 and we have to listen to what their own thinking 61 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.159 is in this, and we have to address their anxieties 62 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.600 in some way. They should be involved in the decision 63 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.920 making as much as possible, whether it's choosing a camp 64 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.800 with specific activities that they're particularly interested in. I know, 65 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.519 sometimes with overnight camps, the parents take them or they 66 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.399 show them pictures, you know, through zoom of the different aspects. 67 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.319 They also try to find out what their anxieties are. 68 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.519 What are the anxieties that the child might have. I 69 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.279 mean sometimes it is sometimes kids don't know how to 70 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:41.120 take a shower. They've only taken a bath and they're 71 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.879 going to go to camp. It's just showers and giving 72 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.040 them those experiences, letting them take something that's very close 73 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.720 to them, like so that their bed will be like 74 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:55.680 their bed, maybe a special stuffed animal or special thing 75 00:04:55.759 --> 00:05:00.879 that is very important to them. And yeah, anything that 76 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.680 makes them feel much better. Maybe practicing sleepovers if they've 77 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:07.319 never been away, you know, like with a friend's house. 78 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.680 Visiting the camp is kind of would be helpful if 79 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.439 the parents can do it. I know they rezoom, but 80 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.319 it's a little bit different to go there in person. 81 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.680 And sometimes and just basically not taking a lot of 82 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.000 time when you drop them off, in other words, don't linger, 83 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.360 you know, basically say goodbye. Make sure they have like 84 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.000 the necessary equipment to write to you, the pencils. I 85 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:33.000 mean some parents, I know in my own case that 86 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.199 my daughter labeled everything for a camp. She she's going 87 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.160 to overnight camp. She's eight years old, she's going for 88 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.240 the first time. Everything's labeled. I think the major thing 89 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.319 is to really talk with kids and also share your 90 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.240 own positive experiences with the camp. What did you like? 91 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.839 You know, what did you find helpful, even if it's 92 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.720 even if it's showed them, because sometimes parents say, I 93 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:55.439 have a child with a disability, If you have a 94 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.839 child who has some sort of special needs, just find 95 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.079 out what the camp's situation is. Do they have counselors, 96 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:06.040 what they support systems, what do they offer children? And 97 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:08.680 children can learn a lot. I even say if children 98 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.439 fail at home, because sometimes parents want to protect children 99 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.920 from failures, but by failing, they understand that they can 100 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.360 be resilient, that they can understand a little bit about themselves, 101 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:21.680 whether it's a failure in an activity or a friendship. 102 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.800 They learn more about themselves and they can gain more 103 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:30.680 strength as they go through these experiences. I also think 104 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.160 of people listening to us for parents out there or 105 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.040 you know, is to think about your own experiences in camp. 106 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.519 What worked, what didn't work? What can you share positive 107 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.120 with your own child. Those are some of the things 108 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:45.800 that I would say, I. 109 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:53.279 Remember my camping experience. I think I was in the 110 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.319 third or fourth grade and I went to a y 111 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.240 day camp, Camp Hondaka. I don't know where it is. 112 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:02.720 I know it took like forty five minutes to get there, 113 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.399 so forty five minutes outside of Boston. 114 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.759 Wherever it was. They had archery, they had. 115 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:16.279 Activities, and we spent like four days there and I 116 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:22.800 enjoyed that. And separately, the why had an overnight camp, 117 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.800 Camp oh Samoquin, and ironically recently I found the brochure 118 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.279 that they gave to parents so you could see what 119 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:42.720 the camp had to offer. And I did two summers, 120 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.839 like four weeks at Camp ol Samoquin. But I was 121 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:54.839 also fortunate that my family had family that lived in Plimpton, 122 00:07:54.959 --> 00:08:01.439 mass So for at least six or seven summers, sometime 123 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:06.360 overlapping my elementary school years and junior high school years, 124 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.879 I would spend the summer at Margaret's house in Plimpton. 125 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:17.240 And these memories are still quite clear. I have one 126 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:22.680 of those memories anyway, But it's amazing that none of 127 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:30.319 us got hurt climbing trees or doing boys stuff in 128 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:35.960 the summer in Plimpton. They had a huge property, so 129 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:41.879 we could wander over. I'm gonna say three fields worth 130 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.879 a property. There was woods, we could climb what we 131 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.559 all called the camp tree, which was a big evergreen 132 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:53.879 tree at the foot of the woods. And tell you what, 133 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.360 I gotta stop. I'll keep going because it's time for 134 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:05.879 a break if you want to. You've got a son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, 135 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.240 and you might want to make a couple of comments 136 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.919 because you know they are hesitant about going away to camp. 137 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.639 We have a doctor. Now, are you a psychologist or 138 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.240 a psychiatrist or both? 139 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.679 Psychologist? I'm a psychologist, all right, So if you want 140 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:25.960 to speak, and by the way, they can talk about 141 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:27.679 their own experiences too. 142 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.960 We hear that right, six one, seven, two, five, four, 143 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.679 ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten thirty. 144 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:37.720 Please do call in. Time and temperature. 145 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:42.879 Eleven seventeen seventy one degrees. 146 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:47.840 It's Night Side with Dan on w Boston's News. 147 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.000 Dan is off tonight. He's off for the next seven 148 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:56.519 night sides tonight. Obviously, I've been here since eight tomorrow 149 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:02.039 and all next week, but I'm here tonight. I'm here tomorrow. 150 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.919 Bradley Jay has returned to the fold. He'll be filling 151 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.000 in for day on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I as 152 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:15.559 well will be back next Thursday and Friday. So plan accordingly. 153 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.559 I've got doctor Ronder Gooddale here and we're talking about 154 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:25.600 the kids who are hesitant about going away to camp. 155 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.720 Let's say they're seven years old. They've never been away 156 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.399 from home at camp, and they necessarily don't want to 157 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:40.080 do this. I've got doctor Gooddial good Dale here, a psychologist, 158 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:43.039 and she's got suggestions on how you can make it 159 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.600 easier for your child to accept leaving home. Doctor, what 160 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.480 is it about leaving home that a lot of kids dislike? 161 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.000 Well, I think they're afraid. First of all, children like routines, 162 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:01.240 and you're changing their routines and they get used to how 163 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.360 they get up in the morning, how they do their rituals, 164 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.639 their friends, what their day looks like, what their evening 165 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.879 looks like, how do they go to bed. So you're 166 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.080 changing all of those rituals, which is you know, any 167 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:18.600 change can bring some aspect of anxiety with it. So 168 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.759 one of the things to think about with that is 169 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:22.559 to go through what a day would be like with 170 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.960 them and what with their meals would be like, what 171 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:30.039 would their sleeping arrangements be like? And making things so 172 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.919 that you can talk about it with them and they 173 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.159 can and talk about their anxieties, what other anxieties about this, 174 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:40.080 and basically to try to help them to feel more 175 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.039 comfortable with it. How to make their bed more like 176 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.240 the bed at home, how to you know, talk about 177 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.399 building in some of the routines even though it will change, 178 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.399 and also emphasizing a lot some of the new things. 179 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.279 And I think you were saying somethings and you were 180 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.679 talking about your camp experiences and more going about how 181 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.399 you learn new activities. I think that's one of the 182 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.559 major things with camp that you learn new skills, things 183 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.120 that you probably are not going to learn in other places. 184 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.639 And also not having parents there, you're learning a lot 185 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.519 about how to negotiate things without your parents. So you're 186 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:17.639 building some strength about yourself as a person. You're beginning 187 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.759 to more understand more about yourself. It is very important 188 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:23.879 to know who the counselors are in a camp, how 189 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.519 camp is run. That's very important because if a child 190 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:29.840 does run into problems, you want to know that they 191 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:32.480 have a support system and so to explain to a 192 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.879 child so you can say, well, if you're having problems, 193 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:36.879 you get you'll have people to talk to, you know, 194 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.360 so that the child does feel that they have a 195 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:42.279 comfort zone there. That's some of the things to think 196 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:46.759 about with camp. I know myself, I actually went away 197 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.200 from overnight camp from the time I was four years old, 198 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.279 so I really had a lot of experience with overnight camp. 199 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.679 And I think I do remember my sister was quite young. 200 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:00.799 My mother was not well time, and that's one of 201 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:02.720 the reasons we ended up in a Nova night camp. 202 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.919 But I remember my sister who really wasn't used to it. 203 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.679 She was just sent and she was very young. We 204 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.159 can talk about that in the second. The age, you know, 205 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.240 it was a big adjustment for her and for me 206 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.600 it wasn't as much it was. So you have to 207 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.120 know the age of the child. So that's what I 208 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.000 was going to say, three and four is very young, 209 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.840 I'm clearing when mostly overnight camp, you're talking maybe eight, 210 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.120 nine and ten for starting and having other camps toforce, 211 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:32.399 like day camps or other experiences before they get sent away. 212 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.080 Is it more like fact? Okay? 213 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:43.480 Is it more likely that apparent? If possible? Well, sending 214 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.440 a child to a camp they went to. 215 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.600 Yeah, they do that. It's the camps still around they 216 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.200 will do that. And there's some camps that have been 217 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.519 around a long long time. And also there are camps 218 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.399 where brothers and sisters go, Like I know one family, 219 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.240 the brother has gone there a long time. I was 220 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:04.480 sister going to go there. So there's that factor. And 221 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.960 then in terms of overnight camps are quite costly, so people, 222 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.080 depending on the family, they're you know, looking at what 223 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.360 are some of the options around, like we why camps 224 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.360 and other camp options that are available in your community 225 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:21.440 for children, because that's sometimes a factor two in the 226 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:22.799 overnight camp experience. 227 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:27.240 Well, I remember when I was a kid, the one 228 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:28.519 thing I didn't like. 229 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:30.679 No TV. 230 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.360 I was a child that would do my homework and 231 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.559 sit down in front of the TV till bedtime. And 232 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.759 I was fortunate that my mother and grandmother allowed me 233 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:44.679 to have a TV in my bedroom. So when I 234 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:49.639 found out I was going to camp, I said, well, 235 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:51.320 will there be TV there? 236 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:53.279 And they said no. 237 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.080 And when I stayed at my aunt Mogarets, she had 238 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.279 a TV and whether they were going to watch thing 239 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.879 I liked or didn't like, at least it was television 240 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.639 and I'm assuming now it's even much worse for kids 241 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.679 because you can't play with your computer or can. 242 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:17.200 You Oh no, no, most camps are not let iPads 243 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.320 and the phones none of that. Don't and like I 244 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:22.320 know a lot of them, they just don't do that. 245 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.559 The children come back with writing things. So the big 246 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.279 thing is they're emphasizing books. Now, let's say you have 247 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.480 a child who doesn't read a lot, you know, and 248 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.279 you can get picture I mean this graphic novel where 249 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.799 it's just pictures. But then you have to also realize 250 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:40.399 a lot of them are very tied at the end 251 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.360 of the Day's the other thing that's different than when 252 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.759 you're at home. When they get there, like at bedtime, 253 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:50.879 they're exhausted, they've been running all day aring and you know, actually, 254 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.120 so it's a little different than when you're home because 255 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.919 the activities that gee it doing things and they usually 256 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.440 it is even activities in camp, whether it's a campfire 257 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:04.240 with roast marshmallows, singing songs. These are some of the 258 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.840 fond memories that kids will have. Some kids, I mean 259 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.320 have cand friends. They have the rest of their lives. 260 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.080 They can they make friends and I can remember sometimes 261 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:19.039 kids have battles in kids. But one thing that's kind 262 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.519 of interesting about it is, and I think today, in 263 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.200 this day and age, we have many more helicopter parents 264 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:28.120 who monitor everything goes on with the kids. What kids 265 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.600 learn without their parents is how they can be resilient, 266 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.919 how they survive without someone jumping in. And even if 267 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.600 something you know, they get heard or they get up 268 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.960 end up being rejected. How do you deal with that 269 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:42.600 as a person? 270 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:43.279 How do you move on? 271 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:45.679 What do you learn about yourself? What do you learn 272 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.480 that's good about yourself? What is what do you learn 273 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.200 about connecting with other people? What do you learn about 274 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.759 how to make strong friendships? What do you learn about 275 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.519 when you don't do out something you know? How do 276 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.879 you go back to it? You know? What do you learn? 277 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:03.200 So the extra tremendous amount of learning that can take 278 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.640 place in camp that parents in their own they could 279 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:08.559 do it. I guess the parents can provide someone, do 280 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.640 you think, But then they would have to actually orchestrate 281 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.680 many of those similar experiences. So and sometimes parent families, 282 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.079 instead of going to camp, have a routine where they 283 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.000 visit relatives, they're another part of the country. It's a 284 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.640 totally different routine. For they give and they're visiting different people, 285 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:27.480 they're going on a trip, they're on a car, this 286 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:32.200 and that. So I do think it's important for families 287 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:35.359 to think about the different experiences you're exposing your children 288 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.799 to in the summer and what they're going to learn 289 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.200 from the end of that. Like schools, I know, do 290 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.079 a lot with the book. There's a lot of things 291 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.480 that schools actually try to structure for this. But I 292 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:48.640 do think that if you talk to most people who've 293 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.279 go out to camp, and I'd love to see some 294 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.519 of our people call in their own experiences what was 295 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.720 good about it? One of the things that they learned 296 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:56.599 that they never would have learned anywhere else in camp 297 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.440 And I know for me you decided to talk about it. 298 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.279 You did things like archery. I know I never would 299 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.599 have done any other place. You know, some of the 300 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.920 activities that we learned very specific to camp, to the ball. 301 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.240 There were certain activities that were very very different that 302 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.799 you might not experience in other places. Did you find 303 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:17.839 you learned the new things? 304 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:24.039 Well, you know, when you mentioned archery, there were bullies 305 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.759 at camp, and I'm sure that's still the case today 306 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:31.799 because there have always been those that will pick on 307 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:36.160 people kids their own age that they feel are weaker 308 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:44.680 by comparison. But I quickly discovered I was very good 309 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:53.200 at archery, and I went from yeomen the entry level 310 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.880 scoring of being able to put an arrow in a 311 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:04.680 target or yeoman yeoman junior bowman and bowman like in 312 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.960 a day and a half. And the fact that I 313 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.799 was that good at ten years old at putting an 314 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:19.039 arrow a good thirty yards away with precision, the bullies 315 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:23.279 left me alone. And the other thing that I developed 316 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:28.640 a kind of a skill for mumblety peg, the thing 317 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.640 you had a jackknife and you would throw it from 318 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.400 your shoulder, from your elbow, from the back of your hand. 319 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:41.720 I forget the routine, but I kind of excelled at that. 320 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:48.160 So having a skill or a talent allowed me to 321 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:53.519 become a bit more in the general population of popularity, 322 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.839 to say it in a simple way, and that's the key, 323 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:04.680 because if if you're in camp, find something that you 324 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:09.200 can do that will give the other kids a reason 325 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.759 to say, hey, look, Joey's pretty good at doing that, 326 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.559 throwing a horseshoe, Hey look Sally's pretty good at that. 327 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:23.039 Whatever the activity may be, let's all make a gimp necklace. 328 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.440 It's not easy to do, and do it quickly and 329 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:29.039 in an attractive way. 330 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.200 That's a skill and. 331 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:37.240 If you can exploit your skill, you can keep the 332 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.839 bullies at bay. That's what I found. Tell you what, 333 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.400 Let me take a break. I don't want to turn 334 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:50.359 this into doctor Goodylan Morgan just having a two hour conversation. 335 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.319 We've only got a half hour show to go, but 336 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:54.759 call in. 337 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:58.920 Share your experiences that you had when you were a kid, 338 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:04.119 or your experience it says through your child six one, seven, two, five, four, 339 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.000 ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten thirty. 340 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:12.039 This is night Side, and I would love your participation. 341 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:16.680 This is the final half hour of night Side. Don't 342 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.519 make it a one sided just listening to us. So 343 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:24.480 we're trying to be educational, but you can join in. 344 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:25.319 Pretty pretty please. 345 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:30.240 Time and temperature eleven thirty seventy one degrees. 346 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:36.680 Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 347 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.440 We have about twenty three minutes of show to go 348 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:42.519 here on night Side. I'm Morgan Morgan White Junior. I'm 349 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.880 filling in for Dan Ray, who's got the next seven 350 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.359 night Sides off, and I've gone over the schedule. I'll 351 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:55.599 do it again real quick. I'm here now until midnight. 352 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:59.799 I'll be here tomorrow eight to midnight. Bradley Jay will 353 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:04.880 be back Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and I'm almost sure 354 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:09.240 it's Monday. Peter Wolf, Yes, that Peter Wolf will be 355 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:15.119 here on wbz's Night Side with Bradley Jay Monday. I'll 356 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.279 be back next Thursday and next Friday, and I'm always 357 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:23.279 here on Saturday. My guest right now, doctor Ronda Gooddal 358 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.960 noted psychologists. I want to make sure I state that correctly. 359 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:32.200 And we're talking about the kids who are going to 360 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:38.440 be sent to overnight summer camp. It's easier in concept 361 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:43.599 concept with a tea to send them to a day 362 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:48.720 camp because they're coming home, no matter how much trepidation 363 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.920 they may be dealing with in their head. They know 364 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.880 they're coming home at four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock. 365 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.200 But overnight for a week or two weeks or more 366 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:05.279 of camp can cause a little consternation in little Junior 367 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:11.240 or little miss. So we're looking at ways to make 368 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:17.200 your child feel more comfortable being sent to an overnight camp. 369 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.240 Now this is twenty twenty five. I don't even know 370 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:25.160 if going to an overnight camp is as popular as 371 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:28.079 it was when I was a kid in the sixties, 372 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:29.160 doctor is it. 373 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.799 Yeah, it's still very popular, but it's pretty it's very 374 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.960 expensive option, and that's so one of the things that think. 375 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.240 Luckily we have things like the Why and there's some 376 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:43.200 opportunities in that regarding some camps to us and scholarships, 377 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.839 but it is a really expensive thing to do, and 378 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.720 I think that's why sometimes you'll see parents sending the 379 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.519 child a short amount of time just on that basis alone. 380 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:56.640 One of the things I was going to say though, 381 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.799 which I didn say before, I think generally the age 382 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:02.319 which is I mean is no fixed age, but generally 383 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.039 I think when kids are between seven and fifteen is 384 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.279 a good age for that. And I do think that 385 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.960 it's good to stop them in camp. Are different things 386 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.720 like day camp, shorter sessions, and as you said, sometimes 387 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.680 The Why does offer like you had talked about, a 388 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:20.000 week or two weeks, in other words, more shortened sessions 389 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.839 for a child to get more used to going away 390 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.680 to the camp. I also think as much input as 391 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:28.759 the child can have, the better if they If it's 392 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:33.160 choice here, you know, anytime that people feel more in control, 393 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.920 they feel better. So whatever choices they can make, even 394 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.240 about the clothing we sometimes like there's an outfit, or 395 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.920 even how they pack, or you know, or what they're 396 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.799 going to bring or you know, any or even the 397 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.519 activities maybe they can choose when they're in a camp, 398 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.880 when they look at what the camp offers. The more 399 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.240 choice they have, the more in control they're going to feel. 400 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.279 Most of us like to have some options. So and I, 401 00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.160