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I got Ryan Peterson with us today. And this is
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this is a man that I feel like he's an
old high school buddy. We could talk for at least
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and this was no exception today. So Ryan, Man, it's
been probably about close to a years since I've had
you on. Man, I've missed you, brother. Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 2: Hey, my brother, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: And like you said, man, it's like you don't miss
a beat. So I'm super super highed for this discussion.
Speaker 3: Well, just for those that have been living under a
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: So I'm an author, researcher, of course, a Christian, husband, father,
former rapper, many different things, but mainly my two books
were a judgment of the Nepheline and the final film.
So I was really digging too all things Genesis six, Nephelum,
fam Angels and times anti Christ and you know, I
really just love going into aspects of the Bible and
the supernatural that the Church doesn't go to and people
don't like to go to.
Speaker 2: I want to be. That's where I kind of where
I live.
Speaker 5: So you know, I make books, I make documentaries as well,
and hard at work for a new launch of a
whole I'm excited for a lot of new projects this
year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. You learn something new every day. Man, we've
been friends and talking for three three and a half
years now. I never knew you were a rapper, bro.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, back back in my much much younger days.
You know, I grew up in New York, so I
was you know, you know, the birthplace of hip hop
and breakdancing. So and when I say younger, I mean
like twelve thirteen years old.
Speaker 3: About so you have to send me some tracks. Man, Yeah,
I still got them. Yeah, I'm gonna hold you too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got them.
Speaker 3: That's sweet. Well let everybody, let everybody know, like, what's
the new project? Man? Can we get a little sneak
pink working?
Speaker 5: Absolutely so right now. So my next book is really
focusing on, uh, the ancient ancient Earth, you know, the
gap theory, the idea that between Genesis one one and
Genesis one two there's a whole history before Adam and
Eve and who is who does involved? This primarily involves
the angels, involves when we look at questions like what
you know, uh the fall, When did Satan fall? When
did any of the fallen angels you know, turn evil and
rebel against God?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: We don't find these things in the first chapter of Genesis,
so I really want to.
Speaker 2: It's just really a.
Speaker 5: Deep dive to explore what was happening for Adam and
Evra on the earth and this whole idea of how
old is the earth? Because you know, the beauty of
the issue of Genesis six and the Nephilum is it
really in addition to opening our eyes up to so
much of scripture and God's plan of redemption. It addresses
a major stumbling block with the Bible, which is, well,
why did God flood the earth and destroy ninety nine
percent of the global population and why did God wage
wars in Canaan? And if you understand Genesis six, you
can answer that and realize that God is rescuing humanity. Well, similarly,
another big stumbling block is this whole idea of the
age of the Earth. And there are many people I know,
you know, well meaning people who grew up going to
church who are no longer believers, who will point to
that and say, you know, there's no way that the
Earth is six thousand years old in change. And you know,
there's numerous scientific evidences to prove that very quickly that
the Earth is much older than six to seven thousand
years And I don't believe the Bible says that at all.
So I really want to address that question as well,
to open up this disc so we can move to it,
so we can move that sumbling block from people who
that's hindering people from believing and even engaging with the Bible.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's a lot in there, and we
can go through it.
Speaker 5: But I also hit on, you know, were there are
other ancient civilizations on Earth? How do we see things
like the megalists of like you know, go Beckley tepee
and things that are twelve thy thirteen thousand years old.
They even said in Israel they just found ancient tools.
I think we're hundreds of thousands of years old tools.
So again, it's throwing off the modern paradigm of humanity
starting in Mesopotamia, you know.
Speaker 2: In five thousand BC.
Speaker 5: You know, it smashes that paradigm, so that I believe
there's a whole history here and so I'm unpacking all
of that in my new book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's awesome. I know once before we kind
of touched on the gap theory on a previous episode
and kind of touched on it a little bit. So yeah,
I'm excited to talk to you and take a deeper
dive and see see what you found. And this is
something that I recently uh listened to. Uh. I think
it was Donna Howe. Uh she done some work on that.
I listened to an audiobook recently and I can't remember
the guy's name, but it was like a founding father,
I believe, uh, a church father that come up with
this whole age of the years by adding up the genealogies,
and that's how he come up with this this six
thousand year age of Earth. But the thing is, too,
is anybody that's you know, studied the Bible and took
a good deep dive you know, knows that you can't
you know, add these up like that and take these
these genealogies and these ages literally because there's a lot
of you know, symbology with the numbers. Uh, there's a
lot of veneration with with with the numbers. And not
everybody was listed in there obviously, because this this book
would be uh, never ending, you'd never get the thing
read if you had every bigot but God but God.
It was kind of like a like a highlight reel
just to kind of keep track of the main points,
backtracking to the Messiah and that which you think, because
I know there's a lot of Christians that that get
really upset over, you know, me talking like that and
people saying things like that. But it's it's I mean,
it is what it is, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then also too, even the differences in the genealogies
to between the masoretic texts and see the septuagy and
when you have significant centuries more and I think there's
a whole conspiracy theory behind that that when the when
the septuogia became the the the Bible quote unquote of
the of the early Church, Rabbi Akiva in the first
century was made effort to try and change the masoretic
text to.
Speaker 2: Undermine what was a common belief about the Messiahs.
Speaker 5: So it's funny you mention this, so you know, while
a lot of people because there are a number of
Church fathers who definitely didn't formally say I believe in
the gap theory, but definitely you can tell from their
writings ascribed to an ancient earth rather than a six
thousand year Earth or tying the earth to the birth
of Adam to their day. But there was also a
common belief in the first century that the genealogies did
signify the timing of the rival of Messiah, specifically after
five thousand years. So there's also an issue with that
differentiation some of the there's a very strong prevailion documented
theory that the reason why you have the discrepancies in
the genealogies is because the Pharisees of that day were
trying to undo this belief that the timing of Jesus
coincided with the common Jewish expectation, after five thousand years
of human history, not Earth history, human history, the Messiah
was going to appear on Earth, which coincided with the
birth of Christ and earth the incarnation of our lords.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I don't think we can put one hundred percent stock
in those genealogies. But even before we get to that,
before we even get to any of that, we got
to deal with the first verse of the Bible.
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Speaker 5: And the second verse of the Bible, and so before
we even get to Adam, the Bible is telling us.
And this is why I kind of start off by
doing kind of our you know, a repass, you know,
kind of a review of Genesis one, but a slow drive,
like you know, the Judgment of the nephilone was a
slow drive through Genesis chapter six and the first six
chapters of the Bible. This is just going through chapter
one because right off the bat we see the timing
of the creation of Earth was in the beginning. That's
what we're told. There's no date given. It's definitely not
tied to the birth of Adam at all. And it's
just said in the beginning. This is when God is
starting the clock to say, now I'm going to usher
in creation. The heavens and the earth were created. And
then we get to verse two, and this is again
goes back to this whole translation and manuscript issue. You know,
we're told the earth was without form and void, and
so the Hebrew there for haya for the earth was,
or to be really means became. So right from the
second verse, we're seeing this idea that something happened to
the earth to make it without form and void.
Speaker 2: There was.
Speaker 5: And so what I try to right away is that
what we're seeing in verse two is a judged Earth
covered with water. I mean, and you look at the
parallels between Genesis one and Genesis nine, you know, six
seven eight nine with the Flood of Noah. The similarities
just pop off the page. You have a planet covered
with earth and darkness. You have the Earth at the
Flood of Noah. Of course, again plunged into judgment from God,
which is often associated the darkness in the Old Testament
and in the New, but definitely the Old Testament is
always associated with God's judgment. The day of the Lord
will be a day of darkness and gloominess and dark clouds.
It's repeated again and again, and this is what we
see in verse two. Even the idea of the Holy
Spirit hovering above the waters, that term in Hebrew actually
means fluttering. You know, you have Noah releasing a dove,
which is a symbol, a type of the Holy Spirit
flying over the waters before the earth is regenerated, and
now he can now come out on land, and land
appears and they can reboot the human race.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 5: Even with Adam and Noah, right, both of them are
given dominion over animals. All the creatures on the earth
are given that for God and told to replenish the earth.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: God tells Adam from the beginning to replenish the earth,
not fill the earth the first time. And so again
this is this idea that there was a population on
the earth before Noah's told the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: They both have.
Speaker 5: Three sons, where the third son is the one who
the messianic blessing is going to come through Seth for
Adam Shem for Noah. They both had supernatural interactions with animals.
God brought all the animals to Adam to name right,
which is one of his first jobs for God. God
brought all the animals to Noah to board the ark
the animals he created right. And again is an interesting
too when I go through this too, is that when
you can look even at the creation of the animals
right of the in what I call and now I'm
really giving you a preview of the book because I
you know what's called the creation week, I actually call
it the restoration week.
Speaker 2: I use.
Speaker 5: That's the term I use is it's a restoration. It's
not the creation of the earth what we're seeing in
Genesis one. It's the restoration. It's the repairing of this
judged earth. And just this idea of even looking at
the Hebrew there when God says that when we see
the word create in Genesis one, that term in Hebrew Barrah,
that is referring to a divine act ex nelio, that
God is creating something from nothing, and it's only used
three times in Genesis one. With all the things that
we see plants, animals, the seas, the firmament.
Speaker 2: It's only used three times.
Speaker 5: When God creates Heaven and Earth in verse one, which
I believe is the true original creation of the universe
and the planet Earth at an undetermined time millions, if
not billions of years in the past. The creation of
great whales. It says God created the great whale, but
I think that's not I also think that's not an
accurate translation. I believe what was actually being created there Chaos,
dre and maybe Leviathan so exactly. So I believe Leviathans
was actually being referred to there. And there's a lot
of great ancient sources that support that interpretation, as well
as the Book of Enoch. And so I'm trying not
to go down too many rabbit trails right away, but
we can get into that as well if you want
to get into that. But you know, I'm just going
to go we just go there. We'll just go where
the spirit takes us. And when you look in the
Book of Enoch, there's actually references to Behemoth and Leviathan,
and it says that they were created in the same
day that man was created. So it's just putting the
timing of those to me. When I see that creation.
I believe that's a reference to the creation of Leviathan.
And then so that's the second use, and the third
use is at them. That's the only time you see
create bahrah, which is when God alone, and it's only
ascribed to Yahweh throughout the Old Testament. That verbis when
God is creating something out of nothing. Everything else is
made fashioned form those Hebrew words. And so even when
you look at the animals, where God doesn't create the
beasts of the field, they come up out of the earth.
Let the earth bring forth these beasts. It's after that,
but God still gets the distinction for legged creatures after
their kind, all the beasts that God's creating, all the
animals that God is making from the ground. In that
Restoration week, he says after their kind exactly, he says
to know, which implies again that God is specifically creating
a certain genetic type of animal. And I believe again
the reason why God has to say that is because
just like it was in the days of Noah, where
you had fallen angels not just having offspring with human women,
but they were even mingling DNA with animals, and you
had the hybrid animals like you know, the chimeras, the centaurs,
the minotaurs. I believe that also took place in the
days of Lucifer and the ancient Earth. So once God
floods the earth in the in Genesis one two, when
it becomes without form and void, he destroys those genetic
chimeras that were created by the fallen angels, and now
in the Restoration, he's bringing back his original genetic order.
That's why the animals are aft of their own kind,
even though it appears they've just been created.
Speaker 2: No, it's because they already existed.
Speaker 5: But God is removing the hybrid beings that are created
by the fallen angels and restoring his original genetic order.
Speaker 2: So we see lots of similarities.
Speaker 5: Why because again it's a judged Earth in both places,
and you know, there's an amazing I think there's a
very unique path and there's a lot of I've spent
a lot of time looking into this, and it's quoted
all from when ivery tell about the gad theory. But
I have a kind of a different interpretation from the
common interpretation of this passage.
Speaker 2: So one.
Speaker 5: We can look up a point to two passages that
right away I think support this idea that the Earth
that we see in Genesis chapter one is a judged
Earth that's now being restored God's returning life and light,
his light to that to the planet that was basically
ravaged by a judgment that he inflicted on the Earth
to punish Lucifer and the fallen angels. The first is
Isaiah forty five eighteen. And of course, when we look
at that term without form and void in Genesis two Genesis,
the second verse of Genesis in chapter one, where it
says the earth was without form and void, that term
tohuva bohu is what we see for without form and void,
which refers to being ruined, destroyed. And say at forty
five eighteen, God is talking about the creation of the Earth.
It specifically says that when he made the Earth, he
made it not in vain. He created it, not in
vain it was And that's tohuvabo who so again he's
saying he did not create the earth in its original creation.
It was not created tohu vabo, who's so right right
off the bat. Obviously, scripture can't contradict itself. God is
telling us again and confirming something happened that led to
that flooded dark earth we see in verse two. But
then also there's a passage in Jeremiah chapter four, and
I'm going to read this passage, and I want to
give you the interpretation I have because I think it's
what I think. It's a really unique passage in scripture.
And so it says, destruction upon destruction is cried for
the whole land is spoiled. Suddenly are my tents spoiled
and my curtains in a moment? How long shall I
see this and hear the sound of the trumpet? For
my people is foolish. This is Jeremiah referring to Israel.
They have not known me. They are Sottish children. They
have none understanding. They are wise to do evil, but
to do good they have no knowledge.
Speaker 2: So he is, you know, this is what Jeremiah was
doing all throughout the book of Jeremiah. He is rebuking.
Speaker 5: He's speaking on behalf of God, rebuking Israel for their
rampant spiritual rebellion. And then he says, I beheld the earth,
and lo, it was without form and void. Tohu babo
who in the heavens, And they had no light, And
he continues to say that the cities were destroyed and.
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Speaker 2: And so we're seeing this idea that look you've seeing
the Earth.
Speaker 5: I believe many people see this as a prophecy, that
this is a prophecy of the end times and saying, oh,
the Earth is going to be destroyed, again, just like
it was in Genesis one. But he says no man
was found period on the earth, and that's not what
happens in the end times, you know, the anti crisis,
and there's gonna be lots of death from destruction. There
are judgments where two you know, a third of the
population is wiped out.
Speaker 2: However, they're gonna be people left.
Speaker 5: On Earth when Christ returns, right, Jesus is going to
judge the nations and those who survive armageddon, So there
are gonna be people left.
Speaker 2: But I think he's.
Speaker 5: Actually seeing the earth in that Genesis one two form,
the destruction that God inflicted on the Earth to punish Satan.
I think that's what he's seeing, because if you continue.
Speaker 2: That passage, we see exactly.
Speaker 5: And that's why I said's one of the most unique
pasts he's seeing in the past. I believe God is
giving him this vision to say, this is what I
can do. Let me remind you, as you keep as
you Israel's you continue to worship the fallen angels and
the demons, let me give you a picture of what
I did the last time the fallen angels got out
of line. And he sees this vision of the judged
Earth from them from the Luciferian rebellion.
Speaker 2: And how do I know this one? Again?
Speaker 5: This is there was no man found on the earth,
which is not going to happen in the Great Tribulation.
But to God continue in the paste, he says, I'm
not going to make a full end of Israel. So
even in this rebuke, God promises, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna wipe you out. I'm going to leave my
remnant to obviously who worshiped me, and I'm not going
to destroy you outright. So I think he's seeing a
vision of the past, that ancient destruction that is being
detailed in Genesis one two.
Speaker 3: And what about that word the cities Ryan, because I
know Derek had talked about I think it was in Isaiah.
And I can't remember if that Hebrew word can also
be translated as watchers or if it's a one letter difference. Wow,
that he thought was a mistranslate because it says uh uh,
I'll uh, there'll be no more uh, they'll destroy the
there will be no more remnants of cities. But Derek
was saying that he thinks that the original said the
destroy the remnants of the watchers interesting, and I can't
remember if that was you know, if that word can
also be translated as watchers, or if he was saying
that the difference between those two words is like a
one letter difference and he thought it was like a
mistranslation of the scribes. So when you said that, that's
why I kind of just clicked in my head, because
that would be interesting if that was the same type situation,
because how was that worded In that verse? You said
that there's.
Speaker 5: The fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities
thereover broken down at the presence of the Lord and
by his funeral.
Speaker 3: Okay, the watchers would be broken down. That'll make sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, but but but still very interesting, very
very interesting. But it still comes back to the same idea, right,
a judgment of the watchers, the rebellious sons of God
and everyone who pledged their loyalty to Satan and so
so yes, I think that passage is again a very
dynamic confirmation that we were what we're looking at is
what we're looking at is an ancient earth, and that
was judged and that I you know, that is now
being restored in Genesis one and God is basically not
just restoring the earth. He's changing the order. He's actually
changing the power structure in the in the heavenly realm,
because you know, we we see the restored earth and uh,
obviously light, water, life, vegetation, animals. But then he makes
a new race, right then he creates humanity and puts
us on the earth and creates Adam.
Speaker 2: And what is he do.
Speaker 5: He says, We're going to make man in our image.
And I believe, you know, many people ieve that's angelic conversation.
I believe God is speaking to the Son and the
Holy Spirit when he says that that we are specifically
made the image of God. I don't believe o're made
in the image of the angels, you know. And we
see even in Hebrews where it talks about Christ take
incarnating and says he took on not the flesh of angels,
but of the seed of Abraham.
Speaker 2: Right, so.
Speaker 5: We're kind of like little siblings to the angels, but
we're not exactly the same. I believe that idea of
being the Amabo dale, being the image of God is
something unique to humanity. And now he gives Adam this
dominion over the earth it's really a transfer of authority,
taking it from the fallen angels who rebelled when they
were on Earth and transferring it to Adam and showing
and then on top of it, he gives him a wife.
Speaker 2: He gets to have a wife, and he gets to
have offspring.
Speaker 5: So now he can create a race to replenish the earth,
to refill the earth and essentially replace the fallen Angels.
And this is something we see all throughout scripture, this
idea that God is going to remove a rebellious group
and transfer what they have to his faithful followers.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: You know, you look even at with the nepheline when
Joshua is taking leading the Israelites and God is speaking Digitalites.
He says He's going to bring them into a land
that is not theirs and put them in building that
they didn't build, and they're going to have vineyards and
farms that they didn't plant. So why because he's deposing
the Nephelin kings and there and their kingdom in the
land of Canaan in Israel, and he's gonna give it
to Israel. So he's giving it to the Israelites. And
so this idea of taking from from the rebel and
giving it to the faithful.
Speaker 2: I think that's what's taking place with Adam.
Speaker 5: And now he's been transferred this dominion over the earth,
and this of course is setting not only is it
showing the fallings that can be replaced.
Speaker 2: The war is against humanity. He's now begun right now,
the war.
Speaker 5: Is on because now of course Satan's like, I gotta
ruin this guy if I either kill him, corrupt him,
or ruin him to prevent God's plan from coming to past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also too, I love like comparative mythology, and
when you look and you see the same story throughout history,
throughout different cultures, you know, just different caveats and names.
You know. I love how Derek says I'm not a
coincidence theist. You know, to me that that signals they're
so something to this And no matter where you go,
you know, like ninety percent. I wouldn't say it's it's
you know, one hundred percent across the board, but you know,
eighty five ninety percent of all your cultures have stories
and mythos or whatever you want to label it, of
time being like cycular and all these great resets, and
you know, the Egyptians call it, you know, zep Tepi
the first time and there's this destruction in this reset,
in this new creation. And you go down to South
America and they have that you know, twenty twelve calendar
and all these different resets, and they talk about, you know,
we're now in the like the third or no fifth,
we're in the fifth age or the fifth reset. And
you know, as you see this over and over and
over again, I think there there has to be something
to it. And even in our Bible thought it was peculiar,
even before I was introduced to this gap theory idea
that exactly that God said, never again will I destroy
theirs with water?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and because he did it twice? Right, and that's
God's part of God's signature. So some great points there.
So the idea of time being cyclical, right, this is
you know what I call the scroll of time. That
is what time is to God. It's like a scroll
where events are overlapping and repeating.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: The beginning of a scroll is the end, the end
is the beginning. This is how time works for God
because God is outside of time, so he can he
in his wisdom, can use events cycling to demonstrate that
He's controlling everything. This is God's even the idea that
the earth was flooded in judgment once and then in
the days that we see in Genesis one, and then
God floods it again in the Days of Noah and says,
I will not do this again, so he leaves it
two times. That is something we see in even in
reference I think spiritually by Joseph. Right, when Joseph is
called out of prison to interpret Pharaoh's dreams, he says
he knows it's from God because he dreamt he had
two dreams, right, so that that signal to him, this
is from Yahweh because God gave him repeated it.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, so I believe that's exactly that.
Speaker 5: All the ancient culture that talk about this cycle of reset,
I think there's it's again, it's all coming back to
the same source, right, it's just their own cultural interpretation
on what the Bible is saying. And what I again,
what I call the scroll of time, I call it
quantum repetition, that events repeat all in cycling, even the
idea of the earth itself being destroyed and restarting, you know,
in that very famous passage and Ecclesiastes, you know, there's
nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: The thing that's been is the thing that shall be.
And but you know it's interesting.
Speaker 5: He always says that if you continue, it says that
you know that which is done is that which shall
be done, And there is no new thing under the sun.
Is there anything whereof It may be said, see this
is new. It hath been already of old time, which
was before us. Again, it's telling us that whatever you think,
whatever you see coming down the pipe are happening to.
Speaker 2: You, it's actually happened before.
Speaker 5: But if you think about it, it says, what is
our interpretation of the event, This is new? But God's
telling you no, you think it's new, but all this
has actually happened already. And then if you continue, it
says in verse eleven, which isn't often quoted, it says,
there is no remembrance of former things, neither shall there
be any remembers of things that are to come with
those that shall come after.
Speaker 2: So it's telling us that.
Speaker 3: We stole my next phrase, said you stole my next
phrase was about to say Graham Hancock said, at best,
we are a species with amnesia.
Speaker 2: Exactly there you go. There, it is there, it is.
Speaker 5: So it's telling us that we don't remember the people
who are on this earth before the beings, the conflicts, right,
and so again, now we're blessed we.
Speaker 2: In this very generation we're in right now.
Speaker 5: We're blessed that the archaeological discoveries that are taking place
that are uncovering Wait a second, we're seeing civilizations again
fifteen twenty thousand, hundreds of thousands of years old. So
now we're just scratching the surface literally and figuratively to
confirm that there are civilizations that are way older, and
yet they have advanced technology, yet they have advanced archaeology,
Yet they have what looks like religion, you know, religious
figures and emblems and statutes and all these things that
are screaming that there's a history on this earth that
we just again have not remembered.
Speaker 3: Well, Ryan, in your opinion, let's let's have a thought
experiment here. Let's just go into the land of speculation,
because that that's a fun place that I love to
go to.
Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3: What does this world look like to you? You know,
a lot of us have had our own thought experiments
of the Genesis six world, you know, the angels coming
down breeding with the daughters of Men. Uh. Is this
ah a pre adamant world in your opinion? Like this
is just straight up sons of God angels uh ruling
the earth? Or is this, you know, the the beta
version of Earth we see today that there there might
have been humanity. It's just maybe like the the beta
version or yeah, what what? What? What kind of world
do you envision this this to be? And what happened
that got so bad that this destruction had to come?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think we we we see this.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna go to I'm gonna just talk
about two passages that everyone you know who dabbles even
in the gap theory is familiar with. But I want
to again point out some small details. So I think one,
I think we see a mixed society. I think that
you have, of course, that the angels both righteous and
fallen right there. I think they're all righteous to begin
with on Earth and using you know, again.
Speaker 2: This idea that you know, angels.
Speaker 5: They're just a higher and their society is an advanced
form of RS.
Speaker 2: So they have technology. There are vehicles.
Speaker 5: We see angels with chariots with horses. So there's technology,
there's structure, there's buildings. Right, even God is creating giving
us the blueprints of a building in Revelation, right. The
new its shape is to mention, So it's not like
they're just floating around. I believe they had a physical
presence of physical world technology, food, agriculture, all those things
taking place, but on a much more advanced level. But
I think and then also and they also had a
divine order and a religious order.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: We see this with Ezekiel twenty eight and what you
know in this address to the King of Tire, which
I believe is an address to a Lucifer, where it
says that he was in the garden of God, every
precious stones was dis covering, and it gives those those
those stones, those precious stones that we talked about back
in the day that the high priests were the Aaron
war to I believe help divine the will of God.
We see those on Lucifer in Ezekiel chapter twenty eight,
So he was wearing that in that role. And in
terms of what was taking place in the society, we
also look at Isaiah fourteen, which is often quoted how
Arth thar falling from heaven elusive for sun of the morning.
And it goes through his five aspirations to and it's interesting,
you know when you look at what he's saying here,
that was in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. Right,
So he's aspiring to go up, which I believe means
why because he was on earth ruling in the garden
of God. Says that has been in even the garden
of God. I will exalt my throne above the stars
of God. I believe he's also in rulership. He says
he has a throne right, So he's not saying I
want a throne. I'm going to steal God's throne. He says,
I'm just going to exalt the throne I have above
Yahweh's throne.
Speaker 2: So again we're.
Speaker 5: Seeing kingdom, dominion, order, government, religion. I will sit also
upon the mount of the congregation. Again there's a congregation,
you know, divine counsel. All these things in the sides
of the north. And then he says, I will I
will send about the heights of the cloud. I'll be
like the most high. But then when he's talking about
his judgment, this is something interesting it says, Yet after
he says all that God says, yet thou shall be
brought down.
Speaker 2: To Hell, to the sides of the pit.
Speaker 5: They that see thee this is now in hell shall
look upon the inconsidered, the saying, is this the man
that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms,
that made the world as a wilderness. Again, we're seeing
that destroyed and destroyed the cities thereof right, this is
again harkening back to Jeremiah. He said he saw all
the cities are destroyed. There's no man to be found.
But then it says that opened not the house of
his prisoners. So who is that? Who were his prisoners?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 5: I think again, in terms of speculation, I think that
it's very possible that many of his prisoners were harmind
type beings that you know, predecessors. And I think there's
something unique, and I'm gonna pull out there will be
some very interesting commentaries from the early early centuries, not
even the eighteen hundreds. I'm talking about, in the first
and second centuries about the idea of man being made
in the image of God, and was that God saying,
now we're going to create this being in our image
as opposed to what was on Earth before. And so
you're saying, so, I think there's so I think what
we're seeing was a society that had two classes.
Speaker 2: Of beings in the ancient Earth.
Speaker 5: Obviously the high society was the angelic society, but I
think there were also other beings. And I think, again,
when you combine this, because I have a chapter that's
devoted to the ancient megalithic structures and findings and archaeloglogical
findings of these societies, I think we were going to
be surprised to see that. Again, you can go back
hundreds of thousands of years and you're finding jewelry, tools
and all these things, bones of human like beings that
in the modern paradigm there's no explanation for them. So
I think that's what we saw. I think that was
actually taking place in that ancient Earth. So the creation
of Adam wasn't just it had it carried even greater
significance because it's okay, now we're gonna really do this
the right way. We're gonna make these beings in directly
in the image of God, which means it which means
that they have a connection that can put them on
par if not superior to angels, if it's at its fulfillment, right,
And uh, obviously see the Apostle Paul kind of even
reference that. He says, don't you know that, well, we
shall judge angels, so in our elevation through Christ, we
can even be in a position to judge the fallen angels.
Speaker 3: So you think it was kind of like a like
the angels were kind of like ruling over the humanoid
class and like they were like subservient to them, and
this was kind of like God leveling the play and field,
so to speak. And you see all these little different
how science talks about all these you know, uh you know, Kyle,
Christians label it, you know, pre Adamite races and and
and one that stands out in my mind because you
have all these different subset classes they talk about. And uh,
one recent discovery is like the Denisovians up in Russia.
You know, they say they were you know, I can't remember,
but it was extremely old and they found jewelry and
they said that they were like beads and stuff that
were so small, but they were precision drilled and all
this kind of stuff. Uh, do you think that that's
what these people were, just remnants of some of these.
Speaker 5: Exactly exacts, Okay, and and uh and I think the
distinction again Adam being made in God's image, and I
think that, you know, this has got breathed directly into him, right,
So but yeah, but I think that's that's I think
they those beings were occupying the ancient Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's wild, because that's kind of my line
of thinking was too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and and again, I think
people are gonna be surprised. I think there are other
references in scripture as well that support that, but definitely
in the ancient Church that was a common thought. And
then the beauty of looking at the nineteenth century Christian
commentaries is that this is when a lot of geology
was exploding. So you had a lot of theologians who
were looking at the geologic record and saying, wait a second,
like this definitely confirms an ancient Earth. And they were
making the same connections to the Preadamic world and Preadamic
races based on the findings of geology geologists when it
was this was really taking off as a field during
that time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and one story how we was talking about,
you know, different cultures and stuff. Was down in South America.
I believe it was. It was either Veracocha or Quasi Kettle,
but I think it was Veracocha. But it was talking
about his creation account and it said that the first
you know, peoples that he created were giants and that
they basically they were created alongside of like smaller people,
but they terrorized the land and they corrupted the land,
and that they were just tyrants and spoiled the land
so bad that he brought a flood and wiped them
out and started from scratch and then made a new
race of people. So you even kind of have hints
of that story too. And that was the first creation
or their first cycle, and they have five and it
was were supposedly in the fifth cycle.
Speaker 5: And if you think about it again, right, the Bible
is telling us our ancestors trick can be traced back
to Adam and Eve. It's giving us that information. So
but yet at the same time, it's telling us there's
a whole era that we don't we don't even remember, right, so,
and people that there's a whole era that we don't remember.
So again, I think there's lots of different parts of
the Bible that confirm that we're definitely not the original
inhabitants of this planet. And obviously there's a whole vast history.
And when you look at something like, well who the
house of his prisoners? Well, who would that be that
Satan was imprisoning? And I think that that it's very
likely this race or these beings, these pre addemic beings
and the being either victims, prisoner or slaves of Satan.
Speaker 3: Yep. And that's something that I talked about in my
book because the whole Ezekiel twenty eight thing, and I
was talking about how they paint Satan in a priestly role,
and they even says outright that he profaned his sanctuaries exactly.
And then how you describe to that. You know, in
Isaiah fourteen he said he would ascend his throne. It
said he had a throne, and it said that, you know,
the even Jesus said that this was his world. And
when he said this is my world, to give whom
I please to Jesus, he never refuted him. And even
with the traditions of the Jewish people with their legends
and lord and stuff like that, they say that the
whole Ephod thing was like the symbol of kingship and priesthood.
It was like the birthright. Yeah, and at Satan's downfall
that it was taken from him and bestowed upon Adam,
and that Adam was the first king and priest of
the human race of creation. So it was like the transfer,
like you talked about earlier at the beginning of the show,
the transfer of the dominion. So it's like if I
was tried to marry our two thought ideas here. It's
kind of like like Adam was created as like an
answer to a problem exactly, and so once God wiped
the slate clean, he had the solution to the problem
and ripped away that position and title away from the
Nakash and bestowed it upon his new creation, Adam. And
like I argued in the book, it was you know
that alone answers why hate you?
Speaker 5: Oh definitely yeah, no, no, no question about it, no
question about it. And it also speaks to what is
the what is really happening in the Bible, Like you know,
there there are big questions, and I think this addresses
so many big questions like why what is really happening here?
Speaker 2: This is about kingdoms and dominions. It's about the Kingdom
of God.
Speaker 5: Manifesting on earth, which is God's ultimate plan that kingdom come,
that will be done.
Speaker 2: But Satan has.
Speaker 5: A rival kingdom, and this is about This is about
a battle, and God's seeking to show before the culmination,
which is the war. I believe God is also trying
to show and demonstrate to the angelic realm that his
way is right. So Adam is a solution. He's also
exhibit A and humanities exhibit a that even though we're
so we're so much more spiritually ignorant than any angel. Right,
we don't get to see God, we don't to go
before his throne. They don't do any of those things.
We don't get to even see anything in the spiritual realm,
only glimpses that people get. We still find our way
back to God. He uses, you know, broken sinful men
and women the prophets to deliver messages, and somehow that's enough,
the power of his word that we find our way
back to him. Groping in the darkness. I think God's
proving this to show that He's allowing Satan to be
the God of this world. Is what Jesus calls him
three times in the Gospels, right, and Jesus said, this
is not my kingdom, or my servants would fight. So
he's saying, I don't get this kingdom doesn't.
Speaker 2: Belong to me.
Speaker 5: And I love that you mentioned the temptation and Luke
four when Satan offers him all the kingdoms, because many
people say that was a lie, that Satan was just
lying to Jesus, saying when he said that I can
give these kingdoms to whoever I want. They're delivered to me.
I can give them to whoever I want to give
him to. But one, if that was a lie, Jesus
would know immediately, so he's not gonna He's not gonna
fool or trick Jesus too. If it wasn't true, then
there's no temptation. It's like someone offering to sell you
the Brooklyn Bridge. There's no temptation because they're not they
don't own the Brooklyn Bridge. It's just a it's a hustle,
you know, there's nothing to it. And so a temptation
for Jesus to have if it wasn't being offered real
power and a real kingdom.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: It really goes to the heart of what's happening here.
And I think God is allowing this time to give
Satan temporary authority right to say that this, yeah, this
is I can give this to whoever I want, because I've
now snatched it back from Adam because he's proving something.
He's proving that Satan's way will fail and is evil,
and his way is right and true in his word
doesn't fail and right. And I think we even again
going back to Paul, who received so much special revelation
into the divine realm, he says that our salvation is
something that angels look into. They're looking at this, they're observing,
they are curious, they're researching it because there's something that
God is revealing to them through this whole history that
is called that is human civilization. And how in our battle,
that spiritual battle of God's believers on earth against the
forces of evil that's taking place every day, God's not
just redeeming us and saving us, He's also making his
case to prove his word to the entire angelic Reme.
And so when Jesus comes back, there's no shadow of
a doubt that he did everything he said he would,
that his word never failed, and that his word is
right and his way is right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Amen. And Paul even said it too. You know,
as far as this, this birth right, this dominion, you know,
whatever kind of verbians you want attach to it, this
power struggle, this game of thrones, yeah, Paal said it.
You know, we traded the truths for a lie. Yes,
we worship the created things instead of the creator exactly.
It was ours to give away, and we gave it away, yep.
But Christ came back and took it back, and it
is going to take it back. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And again going to the repetition, this is that's why
he is the last atom. He's another atom. Yes, everything again,
this idea of things happening over a cycle, that's why
he's the last atom because again it's it's God is
using atom, even in his fall, even in his sin,
to foreshadow what he's going to do to fulfill his
planet redemption.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The last high priest too, because it talks about Hebrews,
you know.
Speaker 2: For sure. Yeah, absolutely, he is the last high priest. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, after the Order of Melchizedek so and it's and
it's really interesting too, the idea of the the the
king priest, right, because Satan has the throne, but he
also had the stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both going on.
Speaker 5: So again it's really, you know it, we get little
glimpses into really how high ranking he was.
Speaker 2: And he talks about him being in the midst of
the stone of Fire, and you know.
Speaker 5: Many you know, again, the masoretic texts says that he
was a cheru beam. I actually ascribed to the Subtuagin
text that talks about him saying he was with the
cherub beam. And I think that speaks to his position
because that charity and I believe are creatures just like
we have elephants and or whatever creature I believe in heaven.
Again they have they're more like heavenly wrung creatures rather
than the more human like sons of God. And so,
but they are at God's thrown right God. They surround
God thrown God rides on Cherabiam wherever you see God appearing,
especially in the book of Ezekiel, they're right under him.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: Satan's position being with the cherub speaks to him being,
I believe, one of the high ranking angels who get
to be right at the throne of God. And if
you think about it, it goes right back to the
Gospels with John the Baptist. You know, when Gabriel goes
to speak to Zakias, announced, hey, your wife is going
to give birth to the forerunner of the Messiah. And
outside's akis it is the keya Zacharias. Zacharaias's father doesn't
believe him, you know, he doesn't believe him, of course,
And and Gabriel says, I am Gabriel, who stands before
the throne of God. So he's he's checking him. He's
what we do, you know, he's g checking him. He's saying, look,
you don't know who you're talking to. I'm one of
the few get to actually stand at the throne where
the cherubim are and the stones of fire. And so
that's why I'm gonna you know what, You're not going
to speak now for the next nine months, since you
even tried to insult me like that. And so that's
so I think that's where Lucifer was right there. I
think that's what That's what I think is he goes
twenty is telling us that he was one of those
who gets to stand at the throne where the charby
mare with them, and obviously he falls until the nickody
was found in him and he fell. But it shows
how he was so close to being you know, that
idea that he was also a king on earth and
priests at the same time when he was still in
his righteous service.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In the Book of Joshua, I talked about it.
In the book I threw out another little postulation theory
was in Joshua. It says that Satan was at the
right hand of the throne. And then you get into Revelation,
it says at Jesus's ascension, it says that, you know,
when the war breaks out in heaven, you know, and
Satan's cast out, and it said a third of the
angels was swept down, or the stars of heaven was
swept down. That Jesus comes up at the right hand
of the throne and takes the scroll. But when they're
swept down. It has this little comment that I kind
of latched on to, and it says that when Satan
was thrown down, it was because there was no longer
a place for him. Yeah, and where was his place?
According to Joshua, he was at the right hand. Why
was there no longer a place for him at the
right hand? Because now Jesus was there. We traded the
accuser of the brethren at the right hand of the
Father day and night for the inecessor of all humanity
at the right hand of the Father day and night.
Speaker 5: Let's go. Let's go. Now we're talking. That's That's what
I'm talking about. This is this is you know, I
just want to tell the Prometheus Lane's audience. Here, you're
getting some this is like out of a bone in
ribby stick. You're getting right now.
Speaker 2: That carmel is that that marblization going on? There is
this is some real Metah. That's good. That's good stuff.
I love that. It's excellent.
Speaker 3: H I love just getting with guys like you Ryan
and Uh that just loved digging into this stuff and
finding these these gold nuggets, man, and these little treasures.
And because nobody knows dying hearts on joy, but when
you do find somebody that that shares dying hearts on joy, man,
you get to you get the feast absolutely absolutely well.
Uh is there?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Before I let you go? Uh is there? Like like me,
when I was researching, there was one or two things
that I found that was just completely new information that
just blew my mind that Honestly, that made me like
pace the floor a little bit, and I had to
cost a couple of friends and be like, oh my God,
let me tell you this. Uh have you Have you
had one of those moments yet?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've had several.
Speaker 5: And Glory to God because honestly, a lot of times
it's late at night because I do most of my
work very late, and man, I just get on my
knees and sometimes in tears and just thank God. I
just say God, I just just thank you for revealing
these things to me because I don't even know where
it's coming from. That stumble upon things or find an
old quote that links up with some inscription. It just
blows my mind because I've never even considered it before.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, those are amazing moments. Man. Like I said,
this is my first book, but I mean I've had
little moments like that, man, just stumbling upon stuff like that,
and I make those connections and it is it's, uh,
I kind of correlated to people that are football fans
or basketball fans and that last minute buzzer shot and
you jump up, oh man, and you just have to
walk back and forth through the house for a little
while and walk it.
Speaker 2: Off exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, brother, man, thank you so much for your time.
I definitely appreciate it, and I trace these moments brother,
and I love you. I'm proud of what you're doing. Man.
Keep doing what you're doing for the Lord and the Kingdom. Man,
and I pray God keeps blessing you and you and
your family. Man. Before we go, let everybody know that
don't know where they can find your website, you books,
any kind of things you want to plug around now.
Speaker 5: So it's all Judgment the Nephilim you can find the
judgmentlefilm dot com is my website. It's also my Instagram,
my Facebook, my YouTube channel, so you can find lots
of content there. We're saying in the pre roll. You know,
I have hours and hours of content on YouTube where
I go. I have a whole seven part Nephilum series.
I have my Thursday night theology show that has covers
all sorts of topics, just very similar to promethiaus Lenes.
We get into everything supernatural, obscure and Esoterican scripture and beyond.
My books you can find either on my website. They're
available on Amazon as well and ebook audible all that
good stuff. And also I have documentaries too, So I
have documentaries on both of my books, Judgment of the Nefilim,
Secrets of the Pre Flood World and the Final nephil
Battle for.
Speaker 2: Heaven and Earth. High level overviews.
Speaker 5: But yeah, if you put in Judgment the Nefilim or
put it in Ryan Pitterson, you're gonna find me. But yeah,
all that's out there and available, and lots of new
projects and content coming this year, So very excited for
the first one being I'll put a plug in because
I'm meeting with some of the people I collaborated in
a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Is.
Speaker 5: So this is actually the seven year anniversary of Judgment
of the Nephilim, so there's gonna be a seven year
anniversary edition. It's gonna have lots of a bonus chapter
as well as about ten hours of video content in
the book. So I put video content in my books
through QR cod Is to get that. But also the
Spanish version is also coming out too, so that translation
is done. It has about five hours of Spanish content.
I was very blessed to work with two women who
do ministry and podcasts on the Supernatural, so they're speaking
in Spanish.
Speaker 2: I'm speaking in English and subtitles.
Speaker 5: But they did a phenomenal, phenomenal job, and it's almost
like a separate documentary because we got into so many
topics beyond we talked about the rapture, the one hundred
and forty four thousand, I mean, things way beyond the.
Speaker 2: Content of the book. So that's coming out as well.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so lots of exciting things in the way,
and of course this new book and many other projects
coming out this year.
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, exciting times, man. And I know those
two sisters that you're talking about, I'm follow them stuff
on social media.
Speaker 5: Right Beck Gallinara and sister Marcilla.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so they did it. They did an awesome,
awesome job. So I can't wait to get that book out.
And I'm going to see them in a couple of
weeks to do our little final meetings before we get
you know, start launching it and getting on not just
English speaking podcasts and shows, but also Spanish speaking so
they can get it really out to the Spanish community.
Speaker 2: So that's going to be exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah man. Yeah, me and Marcilla, we've been how can
she recently about my book and she's been a big
encourager of mine. She's told me she's when she finishes
the book, she she wants to talk with me and stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, out she is, she is, she is deep.
I mean we had some you know, she because we
got to when they came up here to record. They
came to Dallas to record at a studio I do
a lot of my video work at and uh and
they and and and it was great. We we I
mean it was it was one of those dinners where
it was like a triple date because they were all
past their pastor couples, so they came to their husband
with my wife and boy, that was like we could
we could have recorded that dinner for all the discussion. Actually,
that could have been an episode in his own So
it was a really we had some really really great
discussions just outside of the actual work we were doing.
Speaker 2: So I love them.
Speaker 5: Can't wait to see him again in a couple of
weeks down to Miami. I'm gonna be there with the family.
We're all going on link up and so it's gonna
be Uh, it's gonna be It's an exciting project. So
and I'm looking forward to getting your book and have
you on my podcast. I can't wait to read it,
and I want to definitely have you on my podcast,
which I'm going to launch in about a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: So sweet man, well what about the before? I let
you go? Because I didn't ask, do you have a
title for you?
Speaker 5: So right now, the working title, the working title of
my new book is The Earth Before.
Speaker 3: Adam nice man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, well, guys, man, I hope you enjoyed the episode.
Be sure to check out Brian's stuff and if you've
not went through the back catalog, I've got at least
two or three different episodes with Ryan. We've had several
conversations already, and also on the dig Bible podcast we've
had him on quite a few times. We got a
lot of good conversations throughout the years, so be sure
to check those out. If you're just new to the
channel checking this out, guys, behave As always, the difference
between the known and the unknown is the journey. It's
a good journey, guys.
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