Speaker 1: Hey, folks, I'm good evening. Welcome again to another money
Speaker 1: space with me calu Aja. Of course in this space
Speaker 1: we're talking money, the economy and finance. Want to make
Speaker 1: it personal to you, you know, make you a better
Speaker 1: invester and a better citizen. Right this week we're going
Speaker 1: slightly it's mainly off topic. I think it's more it's
Speaker 1: a very very good topic because immigration for centuries has
Speaker 1: been a way that communities and individuals have sought out
Speaker 1: a better life for themselves, for their families. So when
Speaker 1: you talk about financial planning, immigrating, immigration, it's a part
Speaker 1: of a financial plan. You want to go somewhere else
Speaker 1: to learn, to earn, to learn a trade, and then
Speaker 1: come back and use what you've learned to start a business.
Speaker 1: It's all part of this whole big financial plan. I
Speaker 1: don't know if financial plan is in decades not in months.
Speaker 1: So we decided to talk this week really about you know, immigration.
Speaker 1: You know what's going on with If you put the
Speaker 1: news on, there's a lot happening. Of course, America has
Speaker 1: its own different animal. Europe a lot of changs in Europe.
Speaker 1: How you can go to Europe? What just a lot
Speaker 1: is going on and we need an expert right to
Speaker 1: break through all that you know, FUS and to give
Speaker 1: us just the process, you know, the legal process. What
Speaker 1: do we need to know? What do we need to do?
Speaker 1: You know, so that if we are planning to go
Speaker 1: to school abroad, I want to emigrate to live with
Speaker 1: our partner, or want to just move for a better life,
Speaker 1: which is not illegal, right, we want to know the
Speaker 1: way to do it. So this week I brought in
Speaker 1: a guest. I consider her a friend now she's always
Speaker 1: on my Space and I'm very, very happy that she
Speaker 1: has allowed us to partner on this. Her name is Claudine.
Speaker 1: I think she's from Rwanda. It's from Rwanda. Claudine. You
Speaker 1: want to unmute, sort of introduce yourself to the community,
Speaker 1: and then you know it's going to be at space.
Speaker 1: I did have tons of questions. We'll just sort of
Speaker 1: start off. What you've got the floor? How are you
Speaker 1: doing today?
Speaker 2: Thank you? How are you I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. You are come from the US? Correct?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Perfect? So I had shared Clothing's email, sorry, her firm,
Speaker 1: her law firms link on to the page. I'm going
Speaker 1: to share it again on my pitching case. You'd like
Speaker 1: to full up with her after the session, that would
Speaker 1: be fantastic. What do you want to do a brief introduction?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, hi, if you are good, good afternoon, good morning,
Speaker 3: the evening. You know where each and each view is.
Speaker 3: My name is Claudine here Gasana. I am more originally
Speaker 3: from Rwanda, but I'm also a US citizen and I'm
Speaker 3: based in the US right now for the last almost
Speaker 3: eighteen years. I am an immigration attorney only licensed to
Speaker 3: New York, Texas, and I practice in federal District court
Speaker 3: in statehourt make me innovation.
Speaker 2: Law, but I do a little bit of family law.
Speaker 3: In some employment law. But my specialization for the last
Speaker 3: time seventeen years is in immigrationion.
Speaker 2: So I'm I am a mother and a wife. I
Speaker 2: have two children. So I'm happy to be here today
Speaker 2: with Carlo. I follow his spaces.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested in African growth, in Africans, and I
Speaker 3: have to tell you the majority of my clients are
Speaker 3: from Africa, so of course you know I'm very close
Speaker 3: to the African community.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Well, we're glad to have you here, glad to here.
Speaker 1: Let's jump straight into it sort of could you summarize
Speaker 1: for us what are the processes for immigration to DC.
Speaker 1: Let's use the US as a case study. If I
Speaker 1: want to emigrate to the US, what are the legal
Speaker 1: pathways and what are the types of immigration joy US
Speaker 1: as a summary, like I'm a twenty five year old
Speaker 1: guy in ninetyag to school. What is the process more
Speaker 1: or less right?
Speaker 3: So, the process of immigration is under the Immigration Nationality Art,
Speaker 3: which is a law that was.
Speaker 2: Enacted in nineteen fifty two. You know.
Speaker 3: That government in immigration here in the United States. Of course,
Speaker 3: they have been amendments, they have been added laws and
Speaker 3: regulations to the process.
Speaker 2: So immigrant or immigrant in the United.
Speaker 3: States, there are different pathways. There is support that she
Speaker 3: through family family immigration. For example, if you are you
Speaker 3: a citizen.
Speaker 2: You marry, you have.
Speaker 3: The right to marry whoever you want and then bring
Speaker 3: them on through marriage. So now if you have a
Speaker 3: a if you also have parents who are not citizens,
Speaker 3: you can also bring them to the United States. Is
Speaker 3: immediate relatives Once if you have a law for parent
Speaker 3: resident residency, you can petition for your spouse and children
Speaker 3: under twenty one. So that there's basically that's one aspect
Speaker 3: family sponsorship, either.
Speaker 2: Through a citizen or a law for family resident.
Speaker 3: There's also employer sponsorship employment sponsorship which include work visas
Speaker 3: and includes the work visa can go or for work
Speaker 3: visa to also becoming a resident and they are becoming
Speaker 3: a citizen.
Speaker 2: There is coming here as a student. You know, some.
Speaker 3: People, a lot of people in Nigela, for example, they come.
Speaker 2: Here on student business. And you know, you go to school.
Speaker 3: To university or college. After each category of graduation, you
Speaker 3: are allowed one year of practical training and you can
Speaker 3: continue on. And that's how most are employed and the
Speaker 3: employer really takes interest in you. There was sponsor your
Speaker 3: Green carts. Green card is a common residency through sponsorship.
Speaker 3: By the way, you know, we are on X which
Speaker 3: is in a mass platform right now.
Speaker 2: He also took that path.
Speaker 3: You know, he became as a student and then he later
Speaker 3: became a.
Speaker 2: Resident and then became a citizen.
Speaker 3: So did President Trump's wife, Millennia Trump, although she was
Speaker 3: on a hron B which is a work visa, and.
Speaker 2: Then she became a Green card holder.
Speaker 3: So there's employee employment sponsorship also has a component of
Speaker 3: self petitioner, like you can saf petition if you demonstrate
Speaker 3: that it is in the national interest for the United
Speaker 3: States to waive the employer sponsorship because of your achievement.
Speaker 3: For example, I was talking about Milannia Trump. She sponsored
Speaker 3: through eby one A, which is an act ability for
Speaker 3: I think she was in one B because she was
Speaker 3: in the modeling and entertainment. There's also sponsorship through investment
Speaker 3: if you invest in.
Speaker 2: A lot of amount of money, million dollars and you.
Speaker 1: Create jobs million.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, it's a very millions. Now they increased. It's
Speaker 3: called EB five. You can also get a green card
Speaker 3: or permanent residency or conditional residency, and then within two
Speaker 3: years if you if you show that you have created
Speaker 3: ten jobs, then you'll be able to get a permanent
Speaker 3: residence card.
Speaker 2: There's but there's.
Speaker 3: Also non immigrant visas, right, so we talked about work visas.
Speaker 3: There's different ways we hear about H one B. There
Speaker 3: are different types of artists like oh one, you know,
Speaker 3: I like to talk about maybe some African celebrities, for example.
Speaker 2: Uh, Trevor Noa, Right, he came here on one visa.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he continued to become a Green
Speaker 2: card holder or.
Speaker 3: If he just kept his own one or now I
Speaker 3: don't know now if he's in the United states, you know,
Speaker 3: like actors like Peter and Jongle, like all those people
Speaker 3: who achieve a certain level of accomplishment, they.
Speaker 2: Have their own type of business.
Speaker 3: They can go from all one and then to eby
Speaker 3: one which is employment based safe petition. You don't need
Speaker 3: a sponsor because of your achievements. They are also scientists to.
Speaker 2: Like people who are.
Speaker 3: Researchers, engineers. I work with engineers, researchers.
Speaker 2: It you know, we are in the air. And now
Speaker 2: a lot of people from actually Nigeria.
Speaker 3: I have some Nigerian clients who are very very smart.
Speaker 3: And then they don't need sponsorship, they safe petitions. And
Speaker 3: then last but not least, there is the human human Inellian.
Speaker 2: Aspect of immigration.
Speaker 3: That's where you find asylum you know, refugee stylus, and
Speaker 3: you find temporary protected status, you find a role, you know,
Speaker 3: like the p were given to people from Haiti, from Ukraine,
Speaker 3: Afghanistan from TPS. For one, they used to have a
Speaker 3: TPS back in nineteen ninety four for a short period
Speaker 3: of time. Like people in not Sudan they had a
Speaker 3: tpis because of what's going.
Speaker 2: On in the country.
Speaker 3: There's dis temporary protected start as they give to those
Speaker 3: individuals only human human Italian grounds. So yeah, to be brief,
Speaker 3: those are the categories where someone can come to the
Speaker 3: United States. Of course you can come to visit and
Speaker 3: go you need a visa. That's not an immigrant that's
Speaker 3: coming to visit. It's not like to immigrate in the US.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot I hear you talk about investing.
Speaker 1: If I have a million dollars, I can come. If
Speaker 1: I'm smart, I can come. If someone is married, I
Speaker 1: can come. If I want to go to school, I
Speaker 1: can come and then stay here. Lots of pathways are
Speaker 1: to come. So what's going in America right now? So
Speaker 1: it's legal to emigrate to America, right that's just because
Speaker 1: people get confused and upset or they don't want to come.
Speaker 1: So there are lots of ways to come to America,
Speaker 1: and American government wants you to come to America. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean the laws are still on the books.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You have to understand the president does not make the
Speaker 3: law in the United States.
Speaker 2: The Congress votes, and so what.
Speaker 3: The president does is implement the laws he has to.
Speaker 3: He plays within the boundaries of the law, the existing laws.
Speaker 3: So that's why you see some of the executive actions
Speaker 3: he has taken have been you know, shut down some
Speaker 3: people he deported, they brought them back in the US
Speaker 3: because he cannot it can go beyond the law. So
Speaker 3: the immigration is continuing. The you know, the life if
Speaker 3: you are married to your citizens. Altho, we're gonna speak
Speaker 3: about the visa band that's happening. But generally, if your
Speaker 3: country is not subject to their travel band, you everything
Speaker 3: is you. It's normal, you know, if you come legally
Speaker 3: in the United States. But however, of course there is
Speaker 3: a height of deportations.
Speaker 2: That also people who.
Speaker 3: Have a residency that they have a green pard if
Speaker 3: they have some type of criminal record, once they leave
Speaker 3: and they can't attempt to come back. Sometimes they are
Speaker 3: detained because you have a criminal record, and then you know,
Speaker 3: you have to go through bonds and maybe to clear
Speaker 3: that issue before you are released.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but the calces are gone. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we're not out of business, gotcha.
Speaker 1: And again, guys, if you know this is this is
Speaker 1: not my suits in my wheelhouse. So if you have
Speaker 1: a question, just in the d M or request to
Speaker 1: speak on the mic, and I argue and we're going
Speaker 1: to learn here together. So so let me come back
Speaker 1: to you. So I'm a citizen of Nigeria. Then I
Speaker 1: go to the US, stay to school, and I get
Speaker 1: my visa as a school person. Then I can then
Speaker 1: get sponsored for one year and I get my guy
Speaker 1: likes me, the player likes me. I get my green card,
Speaker 1: and I'm in the US. So from my green card,
Speaker 1: what happens do I can stay the green card forever
Speaker 1: or can I don't say I want to be a citizen.
Speaker 1: What is that process as well?
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a you just jumped to the green card.
Speaker 3: So there's a process.
Speaker 1: Between oh this, take us back, take us back.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if you are accepted for college or higher education
Speaker 3: the school, after they find that you know all your credentials,
Speaker 3: they give you a form called I twenty.
Speaker 2: So the I twenty is basically a firm that said
Speaker 2: you have to show to the embassy.
Speaker 3: Loop I have admission. I have completed all the requirements
Speaker 3: to the school.
Speaker 2: Now I need a visa. So you apply for a visa.
Speaker 3: If you're an AGA and legos, you know, you go
Speaker 3: to the embassy and you have to go through the interview.
Speaker 2: So school student visa is tied.
Speaker 3: When you apply for student visa, you are not supposed
Speaker 3: to have an immigrant immigrant intent.
Speaker 2: Basically, you have to show Okay, yes I'm going to.
Speaker 3: The United States, but I have ties in my home country,
Speaker 3: I have a financial support, like I'm not.
Speaker 2: Going to be depending on the US government to support me.
Speaker 3: So once they verify that the embassy, we.
Speaker 2: Grant you the student visa.
Speaker 3: The student visa is issued on what's called duration of status,
Speaker 3: meaning like the eye twenty you have, yes, you know
Speaker 3: certain such is coming. For the program of a bachelor's
Speaker 3: degree in engineering, it's going to be four five years.
Speaker 2: So once you arrive, you have to go to school.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 3: Attend a full full time you have to be a
Speaker 3: full time of course study. So that's one of the requirements.
Speaker 3: Most people they violate the status when they arrive in
Speaker 3: the US and then they are not pursuing the school.
Speaker 3: And if you don't show up at school, because that
Speaker 3: eye twenty is connected to the to ice, it is
Speaker 3: connected to them. It's called how it's called service service.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what service means. It's a verification.
Speaker 2: Let me say in full wards so we can I
Speaker 2: never memorize it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a student, Student and Exchange Visitors Verification system,
Speaker 3: so which means all they so not all colleges and
Speaker 3: all universities have are eligible to host international students. Those
Speaker 3: colleges and universities even high school.
Speaker 2: But you know that's another topic. All educational institutions.
Speaker 3: Who are eligible to host international students, they have to
Speaker 3: have a s e VP, like the Student and Exchange
Speaker 3: Verification Program with ICE. ICE is Immigration and Customs Enforcement,
Speaker 3: so they communicate, Okay, yes, Calu has been granted the
Speaker 3: student visa. You arrive in the US system that you
Speaker 3: arrived today, you have to be to show up at
Speaker 3: school within thirty days. If you don't show up at school,
Speaker 3: I is going to show in the system and the
Speaker 3: ICE is going to contact your college. Hey WhatsApp, but
Speaker 3: we didn't see Calu.
Speaker 2: Did he show up? No?
Speaker 3: If you don't, then in your service record is terminated.
Speaker 2: You know, like you are in valiation.
Speaker 3: So you have to attend school and the schools have
Speaker 3: to always report back. Yes, they're SI pursuing a full
Speaker 3: time course. So once you finish a program, you know,
Speaker 3: say a four year program, you are given one year
Speaker 3: of employment Employment organization.
Speaker 2: If you are in the STEM program like science, Technology, engineering,
Speaker 2: and maths.
Speaker 3: After one year you and if you work with the company,
Speaker 3: that's very fine, like that's another government program.
Speaker 2: Then you're allowed an additional two years of work. Right,
Speaker 2: so you're.
Speaker 3: Already working under student visa, but is a practical training
Speaker 3: like internship typle. So after that, if you if you
Speaker 3: choose to pursue a master's program, you can go back
Speaker 3: to school getting your I twenty. You don't need to
Speaker 3: go change your visa again. Your visa is issued for
Speaker 3: duration of status, meaning for the duration of your studies
Speaker 3: and after your master's program. You all with while you
Speaker 3: are pursuing your master's program. If you get an employer
Speaker 3: to sponsor your visa, your green card, your residency, or
Speaker 3: your work visa, you could be dealing with it work
Speaker 3: visa h R and B that's basically h R and
Speaker 3: B is the most common employment visa for for people
Speaker 3: for people.
Speaker 2: With a bachelor's degree or above.
Speaker 3: But we only have a few per years, have like
Speaker 3: sixty five thousand for bachelor's degree and then there's another
Speaker 3: pool for twenty thousand for US masters. So there's always
Speaker 3: a lot going on throughout the year, which by the way, Trump,
Speaker 3: they are trying to change how they are selecting people
Speaker 3: that they will try to do that based on salary.
Speaker 2: Which is going to affect.
Speaker 3: College graduates because hn B is really for college graduates
Speaker 3: for like you know, new students who just international students
Speaker 3: who just used their school and they need employment sponsorship.
Speaker 3: So if you are likely to get H and B
Speaker 3: to get sponsored by an employer, your H one B
Speaker 3: is a nonimial visa like temporary, is valid for six years.
Speaker 3: Within those six years, normally what happens, you know us companies,
Speaker 3: if you work everywhere, I mean one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Really almost a hundred percent, there was as a breaker.
Speaker 3: Like employment based and then you get your BREAKERD from
Speaker 3: the company. You have to work for the company, and
Speaker 3: then after five years you will because you apply for
Speaker 3: your citizenship or if within that time you meet a
Speaker 3: you know your fiances, you're a citizen, or even if
Speaker 3: you had older they can petition for your marriage petition
Speaker 3: and then you can obtain your citizenship through marriage instead
Speaker 3: of employment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically that's the process will be.
Speaker 3: Oh, if you are very bright, which you know it
Speaker 3: happens sometimes some kids are very smart and they during
Speaker 3: their bachelor's degree.
Speaker 2: After those those years they give them to work.
Speaker 3: They stand out and they go get their master's degree
Speaker 3: as well. They are able to petition for themselves through
Speaker 3: the national interest whatever they say.
Speaker 2: You go to school and maybe you invent something algorithm,
Speaker 2: or you publish a study that's very.
Speaker 3: Needed, its a card engage, then you will be able
Speaker 3: to save petition. You don't need an employer to petition
Speaker 3: for you because it is in the US interest. Chat
Speaker 3: they keep you in the US because you have benefited
Speaker 3: from the US education.
Speaker 2: You have worked in the US. They don't want to
Speaker 2: do they don't want.
Speaker 3: To lose your skills if you are not able to stay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So I got a question, some some
Speaker 1: guesses and the DMS. So number one, someone's asking can
Speaker 1: I work on a student visa? Because you said when
Speaker 1: you're going to a student visa, you're not going to
Speaker 1: depend on the US government for any mean, So can
Speaker 1: you work legally as a student if you're on a
Speaker 1: student visa?
Speaker 3: So when you're a student visa, you can only work
Speaker 3: on campus for twenty hours a minimum on campus if
Speaker 3: like in the library, the coffee, you know, in the cafeteria,
Speaker 3: or work for for professors and professors to Oh there's
Speaker 3: this thing. There's this optional called cipity, which is curricular
Speaker 3: practical training, but that usually happens after definition a bachelor's degree.
Speaker 3: You can or within your bachelor's degree, like it's like
Speaker 3: an internship, but I have you have to be go
Speaker 3: to a college that does CPT, like curricular practical training,
Speaker 3: and you need to have a job offer. However, they
Speaker 3: could the CIPT takes away from if you if you
Speaker 3: choose to work during school using your practical training, it
Speaker 3: means upon graduation you're not going to be able to
Speaker 3: use it because you passed one one year. So so
Speaker 3: those are the options. Or another option is if you
Speaker 3: you are eligible for extra extreme hardship for.
Speaker 2: Example during okay, like people.
Speaker 3: From the people who were here in the United States
Speaker 3: from Ukraine right before the war, and they were students
Speaker 3: on student visa, they were paying their tuition and then
Speaker 3: the war happened, they're not able to pay because maybe
Speaker 3: their parents whoever was sponsoring them is now unsafe. So
Speaker 3: you are you are eligible to apply for extreme hardship
Speaker 3: so that you can work outside of campus.
Speaker 2: I have to be approved for that. Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 1: Someone's asking perfect so that's aecond question. You can get
Speaker 1: I'm white, wasn't in d answer. They're trying to speak.
Speaker 1: So someone's asking a question again that you mentioned all
Speaker 1: the pathways to immigration, but you didn't mention if a
Speaker 1: child is born there is that immigration. And I think
Speaker 1: it's trying to ask if a student has a child
Speaker 1: that proSP Yeah, yeah, so I'm a student. So he's saying,
Speaker 1: you didn't mention the presence of a child born in
Speaker 1: the US to a student, So is there a part
Speaker 1: way wants to.
Speaker 2: Say, so the what so?
Speaker 3: Now that's the whole the famous birth right citizenship that.
Speaker 2: Executive action.
Speaker 3: So as as soon as Trump took office, he introduced
Speaker 3: an executive action that.
Speaker 2: Will prevent anyone.
Speaker 3: Who is not a US citizen or a primary resident
Speaker 3: who gives birth in the US.
Speaker 2: For that child not to become automatically a US citizen. Basically, uh,
Speaker 2: if one, you have to have one who is either
Speaker 2: US citizen or not.
Speaker 3: For permanent resident people here need to understand too, citizens
Speaker 3: and the permanent residents, they have almost the same rights
Speaker 3: except maybe two or three. So if you're a commany
Speaker 3: resident and you are managed to a student international student, and.
Speaker 2: You have a child.
Speaker 3: Under this new executive action, that's when you have your child,
Speaker 3: we become a citizen. However, that's an executive action that
Speaker 3: was struck down by almost all the federal courts because
Speaker 3: the President wanted to change the fourteenth Amendment. I believe
Speaker 3: the fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which says
Speaker 3: anyone who bought anyone, anyone who is born in the
Speaker 3: United States or under the jurisdiction of the United States,
Speaker 3: meaning even in Puerto Rico or a US airplane, that
Speaker 3: person is a citizen.
Speaker 2: So basically in the US we don't have or we
Speaker 2: have both.
Speaker 3: We have soilies like like soil. You are given the
Speaker 3: citizenship by soil because you are born on this on
Speaker 3: day in the United States, or you are born of
Speaker 3: US citizens.
Speaker 2: So we have both.
Speaker 3: But the President wants to change that to only to
Speaker 3: be born if you are born in the US from
Speaker 3: a US citizen or a permanentlyitadam at least one parent.
Speaker 3: So as of today, anyone who is born in the
Speaker 3: United States, except those who are not under the jurisdiction,
Speaker 3: for example children of diplomats, they are not automatically US
Speaker 3: citizens because the diplomats that they are not ounder distraisdiction
Speaker 3: of the United States. But if you are born from
Speaker 3: a citizen, I mean a Green Can holder, a student,
Speaker 3: a visitor, you are a US. So he has not
Speaker 3: been able to be to be applicable because they the
Speaker 3: US Supreme Court has yet to decide and all the
Speaker 3: all the jusiction, even those who ate the most read
Speaker 3: states where even Trump appointed the JAR, even his own
Speaker 3: appointed judges have blocked that controversial executive action editing limiting
Speaker 3: bath Right citizenship.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I get a lot of people are saying
Speaker 1: that they would like to get the pathways if it's
Speaker 1: written out or repeated, and I'm sure you can repeat
Speaker 1: it three times and focusing going to join.
Speaker 2: And also go to my website. I really have.
Speaker 1: On the on the website. So if I'm on the website,
Speaker 1: where do I see those pathways? Like I'm on the website.
Speaker 3: So if you've got the website, there's employment based family the.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I see, okay, so you'll.
Speaker 2: Be able to see the pathways.
Speaker 1: So is it where you have where you have services,
Speaker 1: where you have business solutions refuge y, Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: The services we have different, we have even blogs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are different scenarios to immigrate, and what the strongest
Speaker 3: one I would say is through if you like, if
Speaker 3: you're a student, right if it's international student, to be
Speaker 3: able to keep your international student status and work through
Speaker 3: the opportunities, the opity and of course here in the
Speaker 3: US you have to network to stand up. Most people
Speaker 3: oould say, I mean, you know calling from.
Speaker 2: Nigeria and Nigerias really are very.
Speaker 3: Very right, so they really take advantage of those pathways
Speaker 3: a lot, I guess because also nobody's gonna I don't
Speaker 3: think I've seen them.
Speaker 2: In people apply for asylum from Nigeria.
Speaker 1: I know someone that did. Maybe it's a case study
Speaker 1: for you. I know a lady that also big of
Speaker 1: domestic balance in Nigeria.
Speaker 3: Those are the issues that will be granted asylum, the
Speaker 3: issues of domestic violence and.
Speaker 2: You know the taboo. But like no polilical, not nothing.
Speaker 1: I say that one is not going to pass, okay.
Speaker 3: So that means then if you are a student, you
Speaker 3: have to keep your student visa and then the work.
Speaker 3: There are opportunities after you finish school, Like I said,
Speaker 3: you get one year of work authorization, like you can
Speaker 3: work for anybody you can even create your own company, right,
Speaker 3: and then you know from there you can save petition.
Speaker 3: But it's not a fast process, but is a guaranteed process,
Speaker 3: right because it could take you years to become before
Speaker 3: you become a citizen, but you'll be eligible to work,
Speaker 3: travel and then you apply for work visas. There are
Speaker 3: different visas, like I said, there's a h n B,
Speaker 3: there's a J one, there's a J visa which is
Speaker 3: an exchange visitors visa, and you can find for an
Speaker 3: extension change of status in the US.
Speaker 2: You don't even have to leave, and the J one
Speaker 2: from J one you.
Speaker 3: Can move to another visa until you are able to
Speaker 3: really get your Green card.
Speaker 1: Can I do change of status? If I go as
Speaker 1: a forest can I change my status to say immigrants?
Speaker 3: So if you go to as a visitor visitors visa
Speaker 3: is same as a student visa, you are like I said,
Speaker 3: you are not. It's not a dual intent meaning you
Speaker 3: should not have intend to do immigrant. So and then
Speaker 3: I don't see how you can go as a visitor.
Speaker 3: They only give you six months right now. I think
Speaker 3: now for Nigeria, I think they are going to give
Speaker 3: you any months one entry, one entry only so you
Speaker 3: don't really have that much room.
Speaker 2: To change to it any immigrant visa.
Speaker 3: However, you can change to student visa like you can
Speaker 3: move to be one, to change if one, because be
Speaker 3: f visitors visa and in the student visa, they are
Speaker 3: both non your intents, So you can change to I
Speaker 3: mean if you're within that time. Of course you are
Speaker 3: able to find school, so that quite to have come already,
Speaker 3: have made some contacts, some other arrangements before you arrive,
Speaker 3: because you don't really have that much time.
Speaker 2: But you can.
Speaker 3: You can extend your visitors visa. You can extend even
Speaker 3: if they give you three months, you can come and
Speaker 3: file for an extension. They give you up to six
Speaker 3: months and you are allowed to extend after one year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So but to go from visitors to immigrants immigrant visa, no,
Speaker 3: it's not possible.
Speaker 2: Less in some in some few circumstances.
Speaker 3: They say you have you were already engaged then, or
Speaker 3: you were married, then.
Speaker 2: You can find a manage petition.
Speaker 3: But they are very school nice because then again you
Speaker 3: should not have any intent.
Speaker 1: To du all intents. She said. But just to be clear,
Speaker 1: I can travel as a tourist to go see San
Speaker 1: Francisco and I go to San Francisco and I go
Speaker 1: to Sanford, and I'm intrigued by going to school in Sanford,
Speaker 1: and I apply I've become a student in Sanford. That
Speaker 1: is allowable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, the only issue would be the time.
Speaker 1: The time. If I'm able to get my admission, they
Speaker 1: need to.
Speaker 3: Extend your visitor's visa so you can make complete the arrangement.
Speaker 1: And then switch to F one and I do that
Speaker 1: my extension in the States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can, you so you can change.
Speaker 2: It's not automatic.
Speaker 3: So on if any change of status, it takes a while.
Speaker 3: It takes a few months to get to get processed.
Speaker 3: And you can only start school after your if one
Speaker 3: change of status is approved, I mean if one is
Speaker 3: student's business or.
Speaker 2: Not. Okay? In terms yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: I got a second question again for you. So in
Speaker 1: terms of the business in the business path, where you
Speaker 1: talked about if I invest in the US, can we
Speaker 1: talk more about that? What do I invest? Do I
Speaker 1: have to buy a business? If I buy property? Do
Speaker 1: I get any it? Does it count?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's the talk more on that? On the amount the
Speaker 1: process for investing to then get that piece and is
Speaker 1: if it's for myself or is it my whole family?
Speaker 1: If I invest, do I get for myself? You're just
Speaker 1: talking on that place.
Speaker 3: So right, so investment, right, so it be five five
Speaker 3: used to be five hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: And then they moved to like almost a minute.
Speaker 3: There are there are two two two options under eighty five.
Speaker 3: There is where you invest in a in what it's
Speaker 3: called invest with the other investors, right, So it's called
Speaker 3: the target regional center or if you invest in the
Speaker 3: targeted employment areas. They say, oh, you know you go
Speaker 3: in the city of Houston and then they say, you
Speaker 3: know this area here in southwest it is very or
Speaker 3: northwest whatever. It's an area where there's no more business
Speaker 3: has run out, like there's no business going on.
Speaker 2: So we need investors to come.
Speaker 3: And inject some money and build, you know, like maybe
Speaker 3: a shopping center so that we can have more business.
Speaker 2: Coming in and more employment.
Speaker 3: That's a targeted employment area, right. So for that you
Speaker 3: are able to you need to invest eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So the eight hundred thousand dollars has to come from
Speaker 3: an unsecured loans like you cannot be a loan guarantee
Speaker 3: you can Basically is money.
Speaker 2: You have to show away you got the money for.
Speaker 3: You have to trace their funds from the source. You know,
Speaker 3: they don't want any funny business like you know, cleaning.
Speaker 2: Or whatever money. And you have to be if you.
Speaker 3: Lose that eight hundred thousand, you'll be basically you'll burn.
Speaker 3: Like it's no guaranteed, so it has to be unsecured funds.
Speaker 3: So and then when you inject, you invest in a
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars, you are you you are given to
Speaker 3: what two year conditional green card?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I'm following just vision. I'm following.
Speaker 1: So the target is eight hundred thousand, but if I
Speaker 1: invest the first hundred thousand, I get the conditional visa
Speaker 1: green card.
Speaker 2: So no, so.
Speaker 3: What happens some people they say, okay, you have to
Speaker 3: show some steps steps in investing that money.
Speaker 2: But you have to be able to show like okay, if.
Speaker 3: I'm only if you only invested one hundred one hundred.
Speaker 2: Thousand, you have to show it. Do you have the
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand readily available? Do you have that? In
Speaker 2: x clo?
Speaker 3: Some people put in a screw account, you know, and
Speaker 3: the banks have now how to set up an axtquer
Speaker 3: account that's not going to be used for something else.
Speaker 3: So and then they will give you two year conditional
Speaker 3: green card, and then in those three years you have
Speaker 3: to come and invest a full amount. And after two
Speaker 3: years before the expiration of your conditional green card, you
Speaker 3: have to fied for a removal of conditions to get
Speaker 3: the permanent resident card.
Speaker 2: And you have to do.
Speaker 3: That by showing that not only you have invested them
Speaker 3: they found a full eight hundred thousand, but also you
Speaker 3: have created jobs. You have created ten jobs, ten US jobs,
Speaker 3: which is not hardly like US jobs. I mean, you
Speaker 3: know all the contractors you have used. Like if it's
Speaker 3: say you're developing a shopping center, that means you have
Speaker 3: already hired you know, architect architects.
Speaker 2: You have hired the contractors.
Speaker 3: You have the office manner that basically, it's not hard
Speaker 3: to show the ten jobs. The hard the hard thing
Speaker 3: to do is to be able to show where each
Speaker 3: dollar of that eight hundred thousand came from. It has
Speaker 3: to be able to trace it all the way to
Speaker 3: the source.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, but if you don't investor in the targeted area,
Speaker 3: and you have to be careful, it has to be
Speaker 3: an approved targeted employment area, like through the states. Some states,
Speaker 3: you know, you have to go through the states to
Speaker 3: see which targeted area. You have to get a letter
Speaker 3: from the states. So, yeah, this is the target targeted
Speaker 3: area of employment. Or you invest in the regional centers,
Speaker 3: they are approved the origional centers. The issue with the
Speaker 3: regional centers some of them, you know, they because you
Speaker 3: are putting money in the pool of other investors.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's hard to see.
Speaker 3: Okay, how can you basically prove that your eight hundred
Speaker 3: thousand created created created these jobs if your fans have
Speaker 3: been put with other funds. Right, So, if you don't
Speaker 3: want to deal with the targeted area employment or the
Speaker 3: you know, the regional centers, and you have enough money,
Speaker 3: you can then invest one million and and fifty thousand
Speaker 3: dollars one million, fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: And you invest anywhere you want. So you gave an.
Speaker 3: Example of building a house. So it's not enough that, Okay,
Speaker 3: are coming buy a property, a residential property for one million. No,
Speaker 3: it has to be for commercial use, you know, it
Speaker 3: has to be development type or like a reested investment,
Speaker 3: you know, like it has to have more you have
Speaker 3: to be able to show how it is going to business.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, I can't. I can't buy the house
Speaker 1: just to live in my personal house I'm going to
Speaker 1: live in. It's got to be a house for for
Speaker 1: for commerce, for business as an investment in the States.
Speaker 1: That's why I hear you say collect yes, okay. And
Speaker 1: I think they're also called opportunity zones. This this, that's
Speaker 1: why the opportunity zones and what they're calling the US
Speaker 1: where you can invest and you get those tax breaks
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those are these you know, like states
Speaker 3: like in Texas. So I'm gonna give you an exam
Speaker 3: for back in twenty I don't know when the whole
Speaker 3: Venezuela is would happen. So a lot of people have
Speaker 3: invested here in Texas.
Speaker 2: A lot of Venezuela. And there were so in areas in.
Speaker 3: The north it's northwest or something.
Speaker 2: So they were investing in the eighty five.
Speaker 3: So because they were the bankers, because usually bankers, banks
Speaker 3: don't are very.
Speaker 2: Skeptical if you don't have a green card, if.
Speaker 3: You don't have a citizenship, to give you loans, to
Speaker 3: even deal with you, because.
Speaker 2: Mind you you only have to show that you have.
Speaker 3: A hundred thousand, right, but whatever above a hundred thousand
Speaker 3: you can get a loan from the bank.
Speaker 1: Sill again again I have to speak it's eight a target.
Speaker 1: I can do the hundred and get the rest of
Speaker 1: the bank.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you have to have a hundred.
Speaker 3: Because if it's a big project, so you only have
Speaker 3: to show you eight hundred thousand, okay, unsecured. But if
Speaker 3: it's a huge for like a project where you have
Speaker 3: a you know like Airbnb's or you're gonna do it
Speaker 3: of means center like where you have on it's a
Speaker 3: huge project, you can you can get a loan from dance.
Speaker 3: So and also opportunity zones is where they don't really
Speaker 3: the states in terms of state taxes, and Texas is
Speaker 3: very good where the endload laws are you know, lenient.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 3: Opportunities on is more also regarding the tax session and
Speaker 3: whether to get loans and less regulations from the states.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, perfect, think it has to do with immigration
Speaker 1: per perfect. So this share when you said shared investors,
Speaker 1: does that mean I can do this with other investors?
Speaker 1: Is that what that means?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So if you you can bring in on other investors.
Speaker 2: But you have to be able.
Speaker 3: To show your part your your only basically what you
Speaker 3: are required because you you you are you, you are investing.
Speaker 3: But also you need a paperwork, right, you need to
Speaker 3: get it a green car. You need to get this
Speaker 3: partway to citizenship. So you have to be able to
Speaker 3: distinguish your your personal investment that complies with immigration laws. Okay,
Speaker 3: even if you are bringing in other partners.
Speaker 1: So I have to bring in eight hundred. I like
Speaker 1: if I have a concert that bringing in one point two,
Speaker 1: I have to bring in eight hundred myself with two
Speaker 1: of us. Two Nigerians can apply and bringing founded four hundred.
Speaker 2: And this it is a couple.
Speaker 1: So a couple can do fundred, Okay, Okay, gotcha. Those
Speaker 1: are at that point. Okay, So when when I get it,
Speaker 1: then I then get the paperwork and okay, fantastic, got that.
Speaker 1: I have a DM for you get I think it's
Speaker 1: probably the students someone's asking about Harvard. He just wants
Speaker 1: to get some clarification, right, they have issues visa based
Speaker 1: immigration and visa right what is has been resolved.
Speaker 2: In the court system.
Speaker 3: I think, uh, the courts have said no, you cannot
Speaker 3: you cannot. So remember when when we begin, I told
Speaker 3: you that ICE has works with the universities if them
Speaker 3: sat under the service.
Speaker 2: Program, Like you can only bring.
Speaker 3: In international students if the government allows you to and
Speaker 3: the system to track. So so the Harvard situation was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the Travel Administration was wanted to say Harvard will no
Speaker 3: longer get international students.
Speaker 2: Because they can they don't.
Speaker 3: They're not going to have a twenty to give out
Speaker 3: the forms the process, right, So that's.
Speaker 2: What's the harbor.
Speaker 3: But I believe that has been a cour federal cod
Speaker 3: has blocked the government from doing that because you have
Speaker 3: to be able to show why you sing why theyre
Speaker 3: singling out.
Speaker 2: One university, like that's you know, there's so many laws. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think it's.
Speaker 3: It's a they say have international students, But I think
Speaker 3: they also still have other issues between the government and
Speaker 3: the Harvard that are not necessarily linked to student visa.
Speaker 2: They are. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't follow much, but I know the international student
Speaker 3: issue has been resolved.
Speaker 2: The process resolved.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, someone is sending me that kind of people don't
Speaker 1: talk Because the US government is now tracking social media
Speaker 1: and want to apply for visa. Interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a good point. So right now, you know,
Speaker 2: car have you pro trumped? Remember I told you trumps.
Speaker 1: Remember I'm conservating if I put it away anyone.
Speaker 2: That conservative, but it doesn't do Maybe it's good for you,
Speaker 2: but your country, your African brothers.
Speaker 1: Why on the topic, let me let me give you
Speaker 1: this scenario, case study of Nigeria and what I saw
Speaker 1: in the US and immigration. I have a friend in Nigeria,
Speaker 1: SAP certified s a p so IT guide. His wife
Speaker 1: was a nurse. His wife's an American citizen. She lives
Speaker 1: in the state. He lives in Nigeria. He applied to
Speaker 1: go to the United States to join her. When he applied,
Speaker 1: he has been good to the US and back. They
Speaker 1: denied his visa because they said, you have a spouse abroad,
Speaker 1: you have a house abroad. You can no longer apply
Speaker 1: for a tourist visa. You have to apply for an
Speaker 1: immigration that to immigrate, but to apply for that visas
Speaker 1: the backlog is three years. So for three years he
Speaker 1: was going back and forth to the visa. He not
Speaker 1: just giving a story. He couldn't go again for the
Speaker 1: next three years. Now you know, what happened. His other
Speaker 1: friend went to Mexico and crossed the border. No problems.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, extreme festival. Is his wife or you a citizen? Yes?
Speaker 2: Three years?
Speaker 1: Yes, it took three years in Nigeria to get the
Speaker 1: to get the appointments in Nigeria three years backlog, so
Speaker 1: three years to get the appointment of travel and of
Speaker 1: course you know there is a wife. Because the presence
Speaker 1: was crowded in the States, they had the surge of
Speaker 1: folks across the border. They had no time to deal
Speaker 1: with the legal immigrants. So the legal immigrants in Nigeria
Speaker 1: that are applied to following the law.
Speaker 2: Those are talking points because only a few people, I
Speaker 2: guess we get.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to speak about that particularly. But let
Speaker 3: me address that that your friend's situation. First of all,
Speaker 3: if you're his wife, who have applied early, like as
Speaker 3: early as possible for his I want a pet because
Speaker 3: you have to apply marriage petition.
Speaker 1: Here first in America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here in the US. Sorry, and then once it's
Speaker 2: approved with.
Speaker 3: The US Immigration U s c I s U S
Speaker 3: Citizenship and Immigration Services, then that's when it goes is
Speaker 3: sent to the National Visa Center, and then you have
Speaker 3: to send all the paperwork and the National Visa Center
Speaker 3: since they communicate with the embassy and the embassy.
Speaker 2: Schedules in Italy. So I do a lot of.
Speaker 3: Marriage petitions in Africa, having I've done Nigeria. The really
Speaker 3: the hardest, the longest is to get the petition to
Speaker 3: be approved here in the US and force and for
Speaker 3: really to give credit to the Trump administration and all
Speaker 3: the administration a marriage petition, especially when the spouse is separate.
Speaker 2: From the from the you know, they are separate, they
Speaker 2: are like long distances. They try to make it as
Speaker 2: fast as possible. I think.
Speaker 3: Of all embassies, you know, of course after COVID, I
Speaker 3: think I recourse.
Speaker 2: I have a case.
Speaker 3: Now I recourse, I have to go check. Actually that's
Speaker 3: the one that has taken a while. But the other
Speaker 3: ones they come along, there goes. They don't take long
Speaker 3: to schedule them for an interview. So maybe they just
Speaker 3: took their time to file and you know, sometimes the
Speaker 3: paperwork you have to because it's.
Speaker 1: A lot of It was a specific issue. It was
Speaker 1: because he was told that it's because they were overloaded
Speaker 1: in America processing. They were overloaded, that's what he was told.
Speaker 1: Because it took three years, and.
Speaker 2: I've also gone to have gone to see That's one
Speaker 2: of the things I tell it before. If your case
Speaker 2: has been penning for.
Speaker 3: A long time, you can go to your US Congress
Speaker 3: and it will help you speed it up because if it's.
Speaker 2: It should not take more than a year for the
Speaker 2: marriage petition.
Speaker 1: Okay, you remember also there was also the court case
Speaker 1: that they sued, so all that affected him. The court
Speaker 1: case they do the department to court. But that's just
Speaker 1: put it out there that the perception is that if
Speaker 1: you break the law, you get these things faster. But
Speaker 1: if you feel the process, it gets.
Speaker 2: Talk about that now it's not really.
Speaker 1: Okay, But let's let's let let me ask because I
Speaker 1: think that's why person. Lots of dames are not speaking,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you should. You should speak. Guys
Speaker 1: don't get to see. So someone else is asking this
Speaker 1: is a question. Let me see if I can still
Speaker 1: find someone's asking a question. So just to be clear,
Speaker 1: if I you as going to send an email to
Speaker 1: Nigerians that said you cannot travel abroad if you are pregnant,
Speaker 1: is this legal? Can they stop me from have a visa?
Speaker 1: And I want to go have a baby abroad. They
Speaker 1: sent an email that I didn't sent an email that
Speaker 1: you cannot Yeah, she said that the US got center.
Speaker 1: It was published in the papers that you cannot travel
Speaker 1: if you are pregnant. Is this legal or are they
Speaker 1: just doing it in Nigeria? Kindly assist.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if they said an email,
Speaker 2: but they did put an announcement saying that those people.
Speaker 3: Who are coming to the United States have to give
Speaker 3: birth and go back.
Speaker 2: They will be.
Speaker 3: They will face of some consequences. For example, if, for example,
Speaker 3: if someone has a visa and they are visibly pregnant,
Speaker 3: they come at the border, they may just be saying, no,
Speaker 3: we are not allowing.
Speaker 2: You to come in, and there's no explanation.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what's what's the what's the offense?
Speaker 3: I mean, because people are trying to come in help
Speaker 3: give birth to the in the US and they don't
Speaker 3: pay the bills. So uh here in the US, even
Speaker 3: if there's no uh like universal health care.
Speaker 2: However, like giving.
Speaker 3: Birth is considered as an emergency in all emergency services,
Speaker 3: they are provided to anyone because they're not gonna They're
Speaker 3: not gonna send away a woman in labor because they
Speaker 3: don't have insurance. So people come to the US and
Speaker 3: they give birth and the hospitals send them a bill
Speaker 3: later and the bill doesn't they don't have any address.
Speaker 3: So that is in the record now goes in the
Speaker 3: record of immigration, so that when next time you that
Speaker 3: same person tries to to enter the US.
Speaker 2: They were sure they were shore.
Speaker 3: How to look, the last time we came here, you
Speaker 3: had it, you were provided. The medical services you owe
Speaker 3: the hospital is amount of money because if the hospital
Speaker 3: doesn't get paid, so the government has to pay them,
Speaker 3: like to.
Speaker 2: Re embarss them.
Speaker 1: Understood. So it's really because of that, because of the
Speaker 1: folks that had come earlier and didn't pay. That's why
Speaker 1: they're going this right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It also now this is the whole thing that they
Speaker 3: don't want anybody to become a citizen because anybody who's
Speaker 3: born here, who's born on the soil.
Speaker 2: Of the US season and now they want to be
Speaker 2: meet you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have another question here and why really we're
Speaker 1: scared of the US embassas for not asking questions. Okay,
Speaker 1: but question here on DM someone says, I was born
Speaker 1: in the US. I don't have a passport, all I
Speaker 1: have is a certificate. What can so? Can I just
Speaker 1: go to the US embassy and give them the birth certificate?
Speaker 1: How do I prove the name? How can you product
Speaker 1: that is him? That's a birth certificate.
Speaker 3: Certificate from So when you are so anybody born in
Speaker 3: the US, you first of all, there's a at the
Speaker 3: hospital where you are born, there's somebody who's in charge
Speaker 3: of the viol statistics. They come and collect the information
Speaker 3: and your fingerprints and all that stuff, and they send
Speaker 3: that to the viral records of this county or city
Speaker 3: where you're born.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if that's.
Speaker 3: Them, if he has a person, they have their certificate
Speaker 3: issued by the the authority here in the city or
Speaker 3: county where.
Speaker 2: They were born. They have to they can apply so passport.
Speaker 3: However, though sometimes he's asking there.
Speaker 2: Are there are some more I don't know. You have
Speaker 2: to look. It depends on when they were born.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me see, let me ask him what Okay,
Speaker 1: he's asking. So with that birth certificate, if I go
Speaker 1: to the embassy, can they can they evacuate me from Nigeria?
Speaker 2: Evacuate you from Nigeria.
Speaker 1: That's that's why he's asking. He wants to live he
Speaker 1: wants to leave Nigeria. He has a birth certification. So
Speaker 1: he's asking is that enough to say I want to
Speaker 1: leave go back to America. I don't have money.
Speaker 2: I need a passport to travel abroad. Everybody needs a passport.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you.
Speaker 2: They need the US passport.
Speaker 3: You cannot just bring your Nigerian passport in your certificate.
Speaker 2: You need you need to apply for you.
Speaker 1: I've asked him what year he was born? If you know,
Speaker 1: just reply what year you were born? Second, let me I.
Speaker 3: Have to check it to check there are some Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a case by case. I'm not going to answer
Speaker 3: them here. You can contact me. There's some some physical
Speaker 3: this is a requirement, but it may depend on when
Speaker 3: they were born.
Speaker 1: Not a problem, all right. So this is our question.
Speaker 1: So and this is also my question. It's a different
Speaker 1: way they're asking it. Why are people getting deported from
Speaker 1: the United States. I know it looks very, very like Hollywood,
Speaker 1: But what's the reason why song can get deported from
Speaker 1: the States.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good question, all right.
Speaker 3: So, so there are so many.
Speaker 2: People who are here who already have a deportation of
Speaker 2: order of deportation. Okay.
Speaker 3: So if you if you heard the immigrations are like
Speaker 3: the guy, the crazy guy, he said, there's one twenty
Speaker 3: three million people with final orders of deportation or removal.
Speaker 3: We call them remove another vice deportation. One twenty three
Speaker 3: million people just because. Okay, So this is the thing.
Speaker 3: When immigration proceedings, it's a civil There are civil proceedings.
Speaker 3: It's not like a criminal criminal proceedings.
Speaker 2: Right, So it means if someone is so you were
Speaker 2: talking about people who come at a.
Speaker 3: Mexico border and getting in the US and they go.
Speaker 2: To court, they are not in detention. They are not detained.
Speaker 3: They are not They cannot detain people anyway, by the way,
Speaker 3: they cannot detain by law. They cannot detain someone longer
Speaker 3: than a period of time without any reason. They have
Speaker 3: to release them out. They can give them, you know.
Speaker 2: Their.
Speaker 3: Enco monitors, but you know most of them they were
Speaker 3: not given incommnitors. They were not giving anything. So but
Speaker 3: they go to court. Once you go to court, most
Speaker 3: of them, really those people I would say right now,
Speaker 3: almost handy percent they get delied. And the reason why
Speaker 3: I would tell you in this way is going to
Speaker 3: make you happy, Calu.
Speaker 2: Because you're not Biding fans.
Speaker 3: So during the Biding administration, right it looked as if
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 2: Allowing people in. They can't keep correct.
Speaker 3: However, in May three, the Buiding administration say in place
Speaker 3: a rule that stated that if someone like circumvents the
Speaker 3: pathways like, they don't come. So basically they wanted you
Speaker 3: to come go at the border, say hey, pits Custom
Speaker 3: Borders Protection, I am clothing and I need asylum, and
Speaker 3: then they will give you a.
Speaker 2: It's enough.
Speaker 3: They were even giving them phones with the simple up
Speaker 3: and then they tell you, okay, now he's a number.
Speaker 3: Come back on a Tuesday or whatever so that you
Speaker 3: are processed in. So if most people didn't do that,
Speaker 3: most people instead they will just go through the fence.
Speaker 2: They would just jumple the first. They will go through
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Illegal ways. Those people who did that after May twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, who entered illegally, they were automatically banned from asylum,
Speaker 3: except except those with children like you know who accompanied
Speaker 3: by miners, or those who in harms weight like who were.
Speaker 2: Like bleeding, or they were fleeing.
Speaker 3: Like basically the who if you were in a bad condition.
Speaker 3: But most people, most people, of course, they don't already
Speaker 3: having because most people who came at the border there
Speaker 3: were mainly men, like they were literally male, and they
Speaker 3: didn't have any children or by themselves. So that means
Speaker 3: even if they go to court today that they are
Speaker 3: they are blocked by that rule. So they don't win,
Speaker 3: so hundred percent they are denied asylum. But they go
Speaker 3: through their PILL process. They you know, have due process.
Speaker 3: You go through their pill process. It's going to take years.
Speaker 3: So finally after they find allies the appealing process, they
Speaker 3: have been have been given the full due process rights,
Speaker 3: there will be a final order of removal. But they
Speaker 3: are not detained. They are they are they're here, they
Speaker 3: are like in the they're they're doing there, they're living
Speaker 3: their life. So those there's a million three people in
Speaker 3: that situation. So that's that's what the government is supposed
Speaker 3: to be looking for, because don't once you have a
Speaker 3: final order of removal, there's a warrant for your arrest automatically.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's ICE.
Speaker 3: They go to court to get a warrant to arrest you,
Speaker 3: so they can arrest you any time. So that's what
Speaker 3: the people, that's what ICE agency agents of they are
Speaker 3: supposed to arrest but we have seen where they are
Speaker 3: arresting even as citizens because they are going by you know,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, if you're brown, must be an immigrant.
Speaker 2: And then they are various people.
Speaker 3: You have seen where they arrested that die from Savador,
Speaker 3: who did.
Speaker 2: Not have a final order of removal.
Speaker 3: He had a holding of removal for you know, he
Speaker 3: was not supposed to be removed to Salvador, but they
Speaker 3: moved they reported him there.
Speaker 2: That was a huge case when others to the U.
Speaker 2: S Supreme Court, the US Supreme Court told.
Speaker 3: The government, you have to bring him back. Finally they
Speaker 3: brought him back. He's back here in the US and
Speaker 3: they are trying to now put him again.
Speaker 2: In the proceedings. So I don't know if he's out.
Speaker 2: I think he's out on board now.
Speaker 1: I did the charging for a different case for human trafficking.
Speaker 1: That's where he's at right now they.
Speaker 2: Are trying to do. But I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: gonna work because that's a criminal case. He did not
Speaker 2: have a criminal case. He didn't.
Speaker 3: He had some they you know, some domestic ballets, but
Speaker 3: they were dismissed.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. But the main thing is they
Speaker 2: deported King when they were not supposed to deport him.
Speaker 3: They deported him to a country that he fled, so
Speaker 3: they had to bring him back in the US.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's that final order of deportation that those
Speaker 1: those folks that ICE is going around getting loose, the
Speaker 1: guys that have that final order to be removed round
Speaker 1: without Okay, all right, Yeah, they have.
Speaker 3: A final reportation. They warrant for the arrest. They can
Speaker 3: arrest them anywhere anywhere there if they can identify them.
Speaker 3: But in the process they do arrest people who are
Speaker 3: not supposed to be arrested and other people, other people.
Speaker 3: So when you have a green card, that's why I
Speaker 3: always tell people as soon as you qualify to apply
Speaker 3: for your citizenship, we should.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and apply for it to have to have
Speaker 2: full protection as a US citizen.
Speaker 3: This is because if you have a criminal record, you
Speaker 3: can was your green crime and you can really bored. Yes,
Speaker 3: So if you have and if you happen to commit
Speaker 3: a felony or some crimes against more atrapitude like you know,
Speaker 3: domestic and you know you know how African people domestic vialleance. Uh,
Speaker 3: it is very very one of the main so driving
Speaker 3: another influence in domestic valence, So those are the main
Speaker 3: and a sexual assault, those are the main.
Speaker 2: Crimes. Most the people I see anyway I have charges,
Speaker 2: they have.
Speaker 3: So if so, they will give you an example I had.
Speaker 3: I had a client who was deported because he was
Speaker 3: he was charged of kidnapping. You know what that kidnapping
Speaker 3: was his girlfriend. They had a fight, right and then
Speaker 3: they were I don't know where they were, and then
Speaker 3: he said, you know the candy parties go. He said,
Speaker 3: I do want to go in the car. So the
Speaker 3: fact that she put he put him in the car
Speaker 3: without his permission, that's kidnapping. Wow, and that carries after
Speaker 3: twenty years in prison. Of course you know you don't
Speaker 3: get the full but that's a criminary. That's a perony.
Speaker 3: If you have a green card, that happens to you.
Speaker 3: With the add sexual assault dui.
Speaker 2: If you have a US driving an influence like.
Speaker 3: Two of those, you are you are done. So you
Speaker 3: can't be reported. Even if you were a green card
Speaker 3: and you being here for ten.
Speaker 2: Years or twenty years, you can be deported.
Speaker 3: So those people also are being deported. If you have asylum,
Speaker 3: if you are a refugee and you happen to be
Speaker 3: linked to any any rebel groups or any organizations that
Speaker 3: the US does not like hamas you could be face.
Speaker 1: Deportation, localm and the rest. Yes, very interesting. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to your clothing on this
Speaker 1: because there was a police guy in Canada that was
Speaker 1: denied immigration because it was a member of the Nigerian police.
Speaker 1: That was it. But let me get let's get doctor
Speaker 1: doctor has been waiting a bit. Let's get doctor to speaking.
Speaker 1: I'll come back to you on those specific cases. Doctor
Speaker 1: doctor Obie. How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing okay. I'm just listening to my sister.
Speaker 2: Cloud didn't thank you very much for the work you
Speaker 2: are doing.
Speaker 4: The whole system is I know a lot of people
Speaker 4: who are on the panic.
Speaker 2: There are people who.
Speaker 4: Have got married and they have like upcoming appointment where
Speaker 4: they were supposed to go to the views. And the
Speaker 4: guy spoke to me yesterday.
Speaker 2: He's married.
Speaker 4: He is from n Ja. He's married to a black American.
Speaker 4: They live together like it's real. Marriage is not one
Speaker 4: of those. But he is worried that, you know, going
Speaker 4: for his interview because he's been high hearing rumors that
Speaker 4: people go to interview and they get arrested and end
Speaker 4: up getting departed. I mean, so I just wanted to
Speaker 4: ask Cloud him how, you know, what what kind of
Speaker 4: situation is that and what can he do? Because I
Speaker 4: was thinking, does he need to go with a lawyer,
Speaker 4: you know, because he's really, really very anxious.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he can help my sister,
Speaker 2: Thank you doctor or be So which city is here
Speaker 2: he's impressive? I don't know what city is impressively. So
Speaker 2: that's where So right now.
Speaker 3: In general, those who get arrested during the interviews is
Speaker 3: because the outstanding warrant, like I was saying, and that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some people may have an outstanding warrant, like they say,
Speaker 3: you've been here for a long time and maybe and
Speaker 3: you may not even know if there's a pending case
Speaker 3: on your army. It happened to one of my clients
Speaker 3: in the first Trump administration. We went to the marriage
Speaker 3: interview and they were like, oh, we're gonna arrest your clients.
Speaker 2: I'm like why, And they showed me this warrant.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we were able to fight it. But he
Speaker 3: was dead arrested in front of me. So that's the way.
Speaker 2: So if you're.
Speaker 3: If he's a manage petition, like there's no army. I've
Speaker 3: been going to USAYS every week.
Speaker 2: Now I go the week.
Speaker 3: Now there's no there's no there's no only there to
Speaker 3: arrest people about. Those are the situations where it could
Speaker 3: happen because they have this this office called FDNS it's
Speaker 3: fraud detection, I don't know services whatever that it's in
Speaker 3: the back. And if they have if someone comes in
Speaker 3: for an interview and there is maybe a warrant for
Speaker 3: the arrest, maybe in the past.
Speaker 2: They didn't go to court. They didn't and then there
Speaker 2: were order. Like I said, I was.
Speaker 3: Saying, you could be here, you came here, you miss
Speaker 3: court and you didn't care. Well, when that happens, there
Speaker 3: isn't warrant for your arrest. They're not gonna come such
Speaker 3: for you. But wherever they find you, they will go
Speaker 3: ahead and arrested because they haven't warrant. So those are
Speaker 3: the situations that nobody will happen. Like even in the
Speaker 3: case I am in the in Texas, some of my
Speaker 3: you know, we share information with my colleagues at the
Speaker 3: attorneys in situations that were arrested. When where where I'm
Speaker 3: talking and I'm standing warrant for the person's arrest.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was older.
Speaker 3: Some people move and they don't change address, and then
Speaker 3: you know you miss court.
Speaker 2: If you miss your court date, you are ordered removed.
Speaker 3: In Ausssia, you can redress the issue and get the
Speaker 3: person out, but it could happen. But if it's just like, okay,
Speaker 3: you you know you've never been overstayed your visa or
Speaker 3: even if you're over stage, you were never in proceedings,
Speaker 3: you're a regular my inspetition, they should be fine. But
Speaker 3: it's always good to go with an attorney because the
Speaker 3: NATO is going to be able to say, okay.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: You know in in in the person I was referring to,
Speaker 3: I was like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2: Gonna take my plan anyway, even if they they are
Speaker 2: very intimidating, but hey, you're not gonna be intimidated like.
Speaker 3: No, I'm doing my job. I need you to show
Speaker 3: me are you are taking my current away? So then
Speaker 3: they give you a want because they know they have
Speaker 3: to have you wanted to be able to to to
Speaker 3: arrest someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so doctor what I heard, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you have if you have no case, he should be fine.
Speaker 1: But take a lawyer. Just at that, Mama, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: How many years they have been here the case? You
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's probably been here for about four years
Speaker 4: if I remember.
Speaker 2: It's just the way people you know, spleasure should have fine.
Speaker 3: If he has no prior issues, no prior cases with
Speaker 3: immigration that's pending or was not resolved or he was
Speaker 3: not aware of and then ended up being deportation order,
Speaker 3: then he should be fine.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this this what this darker thing right, darker?
Speaker 1: It's only the folks that cross the border. Is any
Speaker 1: African darker this deferred action folks? Does it have any
Speaker 1: Africans and darker?
Speaker 2: According to you know, yeah, it was the Africans and
Speaker 2: the darker, but proportionately of course, is sure because you
Speaker 2: have to understand in the US African immigrants.
Speaker 3: Are less than one percent, so sod all the it's
Speaker 3: during the Obama years, so people who were present.
Speaker 2: In the United States before.
Speaker 3: My question for Africa, if Obama come back, you're going
Speaker 3: to give him a.
Speaker 1: Chance, Obama chance to do what what did he do
Speaker 1: for Africa?
Speaker 2: Now he can't come back because he's not going to
Speaker 2: let him hang.
Speaker 5: See we could hang Obama here, but Obama's gonna snitch
Speaker 5: on the whole democracy in America.
Speaker 2: If and when he is.
Speaker 5: Going to come back to Kenya, A ka, are you
Speaker 5: going to.
Speaker 2: Let him bron.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what he did for Africa in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 4: Let me let me answer I think, let me answer her.
Speaker 4: I think I know where she's coming from.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Kenya either.
Speaker 4: Obama who Kenyan citizenship because Kenya is actually a country
Speaker 4: that has a constitutional law. Even though his father I
Speaker 4: was from Kenya, so I believe he will hold the
Speaker 4: citizenship some countries have.
Speaker 2: I think he would be good. I think he would
Speaker 2: be good because he learned his lesson over here in
Speaker 2: the nation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, just moving to the country and
Speaker 4: run for president. You know, but.
Speaker 5: We can't well if he comes back, because he has
Speaker 5: two options. Let me tell you what we're gonna do
Speaker 5: with him. I'm gonna tell you again. Either Obama wanted
Speaker 5: to lie and say he did not know about.
Speaker 1: The Russian closure, try to take her off.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be Yeah.
Speaker 5: If he says no, I want because Obama already confessed.
Speaker 1: I know about that to go, let's talk about Russian.
Speaker 1: I think she's a black lady, though they.
Speaker 2: Call them a freedom something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, district district. I'm okay to add you back,
Speaker 1: but we don't do Russian cusion.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she's interested in immigration matters. She's more.
Speaker 3: There's a group of people who are just I don't know,
Speaker 3: anti immigrants, and they have these because you are theorists.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you want to entertain those
Speaker 3: or you just.
Speaker 1: Know what's fine, because I mean, if the focus really
Speaker 1: in ninety years, like, there was a poson in Ninetieria
Speaker 1: and they asked a lot of young people their number
Speaker 1: one goal. This was the number one financial goal, and
Speaker 1: the number one goal was to leave Nigeria heartbreaking. But
Speaker 1: that's what the poll said is a very very popular
Speaker 1: money saving up around that pole. So lots of folks
Speaker 1: really want to understand is it legal to emigrate? If
Speaker 1: I want to do this, you know, how is the
Speaker 1: right way to do it? And I think give us
Speaker 1: a lot of pointers and a lot it's kind I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you just to go back and do
Speaker 1: those points again. A lot of other dms are basically
Speaker 1: saying can she go back?
Speaker 3: You know, I am an immigration attorney, but I am
Speaker 3: one of the people who who advocate for Africans not
Speaker 3: just to travel to the US without any purpose. You
Speaker 3: should see people who are being like I told you,
Speaker 3: those who come across the board, across the border and
Speaker 3: then you know, jump defenses AE hundred percent, almost ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent. They get denied right, Yes, they get jobs,
Speaker 3: but then they have to pay attorney's fees. You know,
Speaker 3: they even struggling to pay attorney's fees. They most of
Speaker 3: them maybe Nigerians because you guys speak English, but other
Speaker 3: people from like French speaking countries or non English speaking countries.
Speaker 2: It's hard to find a job.
Speaker 3: Some of them are working for Amazon, but Amazon now
Speaker 3: is going you know, AI is taking all the job.
Speaker 1: Amazon will high Amazon will hire you, give you benefits, healthcare,
Speaker 1: give you pension and everything. That's the one place where
Speaker 1: I see Amazon has one point two million employees.
Speaker 3: I don't know Amazon now, let me tell you what's
Speaker 3: happening because I don't speak to my clients, so we
Speaker 3: don't have a job.
Speaker 2: So they get two days a week or three days
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 3: That means you are part time and some of them
Speaker 3: they are contractors.
Speaker 2: They don't. They're not. They're not like employees of Amazon.
Speaker 3: They contract Amazon contract with another company to give them jobs,
Speaker 3: which I mean Amazon is not it's not obliged to
Speaker 3: give them those benefits, right, So, which, really they are struggling,
Speaker 3: and they.
Speaker 2: May spend audios years year and then.
Speaker 3: Go back home. I hope they are, you know, saving
Speaker 3: to go back home to build something back in their
Speaker 3: respected countries. But if you want to, if you are,
Speaker 3: if you really, if you have money, because they spend money,
Speaker 3: some of them spend a lot of money. They spend
Speaker 3: if you are saying they spend twenty thousand dollars to
Speaker 3: do what they need to do to get to the US.
Speaker 2: And okay, if you have twenty.
Speaker 3: Thousand dollars in Nigeria, can't you find something to do?
Speaker 3: Or if you can find in Nigeria, can you go
Speaker 3: to Ghana? If you can, can you go to Guanda?
Speaker 2: To Kenya? Can you go to Gurudi? You know? Like two.
Speaker 3: I think it's more of a sometimes the mindset, because yes,
Speaker 3: the grass is green in the west, it's got there,
Speaker 3: but the coasts and the struggle if if you don't have,
Speaker 3: like you know that their pathways to come and we
Speaker 3: talked about student visas.
Speaker 2: We talked about all.
Speaker 3: Those like who who immigrate because of.
Speaker 2: Their skills of family.
Speaker 3: But if you just adventure to cross so many countries
Speaker 3: to arrive in the US, it's a it's a really
Speaker 3: high risk and people need to know those risks before
Speaker 3: they make a decision.
Speaker 1: I mean the key I know Nijin that went to
Speaker 1: Nigeria and in Cuba, got on a boat in Cuba,
Speaker 1: was trying to get to Florida. The boat cap size.
Speaker 1: He swam, true story, swam to the each in Miami,
Speaker 1: going to the beach in Miami. And that's like going
Speaker 1: to the United States. So people take a lot of risks.
Speaker 1: These are folks that walk through the from Brazil. They
Speaker 1: walk walk through Mexico, then join the trains and then
Speaker 1: get told the way to the border and join. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of you know effort Nigeria across the Sahara
Speaker 1: because the Sahara get to Libya and all that tried
Speaker 1: to get to Europe. It's a lot. So if just
Speaker 1: knowing that, I'm.
Speaker 2: Do they have information or they cam no.
Speaker 1: You see what happens is when you say grass is
Speaker 1: greener on fortune.
Speaker 2: Because they pay so much money to ded.
Speaker 1: Not not really. I mean when you pay the money,
Speaker 1: you are the guys that are quote unquote middle class immigrants,
Speaker 1: the folks that live in Nigeria. My barber a long
Speaker 1: time ago, a long long time ago, he did the
Speaker 1: Sahara thing. He got to Europe. He was deported. So
Speaker 1: they don't have money. If you have maybe back then
Speaker 1: maybe fifty thousand ira. It's just to get your way
Speaker 1: to the I know they're not of the border. You
Speaker 1: get to Nitia, it's money for bribes. You just bribe
Speaker 1: your way to the checkpoints. Then you get to in Libya.
Speaker 1: That's when it starts to be there, because it's hiding
Speaker 1: until you get to the coast. When you get to
Speaker 1: the coast and you have to wait, then there's going
Speaker 1: to the water and try to get the ideas. Once
Speaker 1: you're in the Mediterranean, they have ships from the EU
Speaker 1: that pick them up on humanitarian grass and take them
Speaker 1: into the port of Italy, Malta or it's hard Enow
Speaker 1: but that would used to be the point. They will
Speaker 1: take them in.
Speaker 2: But you're not kind of right.
Speaker 4: I can tell you that even at today, even that
Speaker 4: dangerous desert Sahara, Libya around you are looking at and
Speaker 4: you're looking at six eight ten thousand dollars in the minimum.
Speaker 1: Paid to who did this? Guys don't have six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Well they don't have.
Speaker 2: They don't I'm telling you to them. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: lot of money. By the time you get to Libya.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much it's going to cost, like
Speaker 4: for them to do or they don't get to Libya
Speaker 4: for you to get on those key boards. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of brides that you will pay, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of agents that you pay if you
Speaker 4: need at least five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's going to be enough.
Speaker 1: I think what what I've heard is that when you
Speaker 1: get to Libya, some work, some do some other stuff,
Speaker 1: and then some get the money sent over to them.
Speaker 1: That's today, send the money over to them and then
Speaker 1: they pay and then Libat is a market where you
Speaker 1: can there's this market where you can get money if
Speaker 1: you want to like money transferred, you know, okay, you
Speaker 1: want so that you.
Speaker 4: Will probably give some money back home and some of them,
Speaker 4: some of them, especially the women, get.
Speaker 1: So it's it's just it's a mess and they're not
Speaker 1: the thing really. But when you say the grass is greener, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the grass, the grass, the grass is greener. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the grass. You know, there's the thing about that pays
Speaker 1: me so much about all this. You know, I where
Speaker 1: I used to work for a nonprofit, when I used
Speaker 1: to work like pro bono, and we used to go
Speaker 1: and help people in You see people like come from Eritrea,
Speaker 1: from Nigeria, from and they are there and you're asking
Speaker 1: them their story. You can repeat their story on air,
Speaker 1: and you know they're they're here. Like I told lead
Speaker 1: that applied for the bests. I know, they still gave
Speaker 1: her a house, They still give her giving her money
Speaker 1: to upkeep. She's in school, stated Spain. For her in school.
Speaker 1: She would never get that back home. Her husband came
Speaker 1: to the States to try to take her away, and
Speaker 1: the police on him. You cannot even come near, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's no just the process, you know.
Speaker 2: What kind of I can't tell you right, I.
Speaker 4: Can say that the grass is not as clean as
Speaker 4: people make it.
Speaker 2: The reason why is this? Right? When people try those.
Speaker 4: Things and get to whatever destinations in Europe or even
Speaker 4: in the US, the kind of job they do, the
Speaker 4: kind of howshole they do, the kind of efforts they
Speaker 4: put in. If they were willing to put in that
Speaker 4: kind of effort back home, they are still going to
Speaker 4: be you know, get some level of success.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I see.
Speaker 1: I meaning is from Ruwanda, right, And that's very very
Speaker 1: progressive that they just throw off turned the corner moving.
Speaker 1: You know, I can give you stories want this space.
Speaker 4: Because because Carlo, if somebody had five thousand dollars, which
Speaker 4: I had today, it's like seven point five million. A lot
Speaker 4: of people who decide they want to move whichever out
Speaker 4: that's about. That's about at least what you need to
Speaker 4: be looking at. But I know that if somebody has
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars and they are thinking right, they are
Speaker 4: in the right frame of mind in any part of Africa,
Speaker 4: whether in Nigera or one that's ath Africa or whatever, and.
Speaker 2: You are willing to put in the kind of the
Speaker 2: kind of hot.
Speaker 4: So because when they come over here or they go
Speaker 4: to Europe, they do all kinds of job that they
Speaker 4: will never do at home.
Speaker 2: They will never do back.
Speaker 1: What about the guys that take that money get a shop,
Speaker 1: the shop is demolished or take that money custom seized.
Speaker 1: You know, now, do you guys say you are you?
Speaker 1: Are you happen or you are.
Speaker 2: Sick traveling and and died?
Speaker 1: Yes, guy, a guy is doing very very well. He
Speaker 1: falls sick, he has just one sickness. One sickness kills
Speaker 1: him like Malaya.
Speaker 4: And also and also you know that those people who travel, right,
Speaker 4: the people who make it, especially like in the last
Speaker 4: ten years or in the last five years.
Speaker 2: You know, like back in the days.
Speaker 4: People go to Germany and two years they are back
Speaker 4: with money and all those things don't work like that,
Speaker 4: nor no more go travel. Maybe less than ten percent
Speaker 4: of them. Actually, you know, I wasn't in Italy a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, and I was like in the
Speaker 4: hoods and you know, I movie. I was in Italy,
Speaker 4: I was friends, I was in Amsterdam, and I saw
Speaker 4: a lot of our people who are never ever going
Speaker 4: to be able to come back or except that they
Speaker 4: are deported. So the thing is is right, this sourcide
Speaker 4: story of people travel and they make it right now,
Speaker 4: I feel that it's less than ten percent that actually
Speaker 4: make it. When those ten percent come back home, everybody thinks, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm I might go and people sell their shop, people
Speaker 4: close their shop, and like I know, somebody who lives
Speaker 4: in a tribd room apartments.
Speaker 2: In Legos, has has a car, has.
Speaker 4: A shop, taken care of his you know, of himself
Speaker 4: and his siblings, you know, just doing pretty okay, right,
Speaker 4: But he has to sell those things to do this
Speaker 4: dangerous travel. And he gets there and he gets stopped,
Speaker 4: and probably the next five ten years he's not he's
Speaker 4: not going to be able to get some legal papersfors
Speaker 4: that well allow him to get him So what I'm
Speaker 4: saying in essence is that.
Speaker 2: The glass, the glass is not always as greener.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The thing is that when you get there, like you
Speaker 4: are stop, you're again the world. So you've got to
Speaker 4: put every effort. You're going to do all menion, You're
Speaker 4: going to do everything necessary to succeed. But back home,
Speaker 4: if the person is back home and you advise them, okay,
Speaker 4: For for instance, I got.
Speaker 2: To know about this rabbit family.
Speaker 4: You know how you and I how we used to
Speaker 4: talk about farming and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So somebody somebody was.
Speaker 4: Discussing about about rabbit farming and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 4: and how it's better than both three.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: The person gave analysis of how it works, how much
Speaker 4: it can it can invest, and how much victoric can get.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, there are these people that are discovered.
Speaker 4: Me, asking for money, asking for this, asking for that.
Speaker 4: So let me run this idea with them and see
Speaker 4: if anyone is interested. So I run the idea with
Speaker 4: two people. One of them felt so insulted right that
Speaker 4: I'm moving discussing about him, him and his wife, you know,
Speaker 4: getting into rabbit family. He felt that he felt that
Speaker 4: that's an insult. But the other person was interested.
Speaker 2: In the idea. So I found it.
Speaker 4: I founded it, and this is like about three months,
Speaker 4: it says, a little over three months now. And it
Speaker 4: looks from the report from what I'm saying, it looks
Speaker 4: like it's going to be a very good venture if
Speaker 4: it keeps to what is doing now.
Speaker 2: So what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying is says is that people back home will come
Speaker 4: up with especially people who are like almost in the
Speaker 4: middle class, they will sell everything they have.
Speaker 2: To migrate, and they end up in a very terrible situation.
Speaker 4: If one hundred people does it, maybe especially in these days,
Speaker 4: maybe like ten or fifteen will actually become that success
Speaker 4: in next to three, four or five years. But those
Speaker 4: ones who are suffering, you're locally hear from them. You're
Speaker 4: going to see them on Twitter, You're going to see
Speaker 4: them on social media.
Speaker 2: I can see just going to be suffering.
Speaker 1: I hear you. I can see it. Let me get
Speaker 1: two guys to ask a question. I want to come
Speaker 1: back to you with documentation, right that we needed not
Speaker 1: to do this, but let me get I get I've
Speaker 1: got a bull a bust shown in Manuel? Is that?
Speaker 1: Did I get a name? Right? Manuel?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: Same? Yes? You do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hi, how are you doing? You're gonna be very fine.
Speaker 1: You've got a question for clothing. We're talking immigration process
Speaker 1: papers part ways. What's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, so I have my.
Speaker 7: I just want to give your background to my Christian Actually,
Speaker 7: I think what whatever what doctor be saying make a
Speaker 7: lot of sense because I spent the same thing in
Speaker 7: Rwanda where people have retired from a bank and then
Speaker 7: it moved to Rwanda, and it was amazing that in
Speaker 7: two years, in less or in less than two years,
Speaker 7: you have spent twenty million ere just trying to settle
Speaker 7: down there and life. Life for him is quite tough
Speaker 7: and I act in Christian Why can't you just go
Speaker 7: back to Nigeria And he said to go back to God,
Speaker 7: saying what the whole lot is happening to people over there?
Speaker 7: Now here's my Christian when it comes to investment in Nigia,
Speaker 7: especially for agriculture, because when you're talking about rabbit, I play,
Speaker 7: I'm doing a whole lot in agriculture in Nigeria. Sometimes
Speaker 7: investors are quite greedy and it comes to invest in
Speaker 7: agriculture in the Nigeria.
Speaker 2: As at last.
Speaker 7: Year, the the reason of investment was quite good. When
Speaker 7: that September we bought oil for Touch five thousand era.
Speaker 7: We're selling at seventy thousand hour during December. Now the
Speaker 7: same oil is at for twe thousand sometimes somewhere in
Speaker 7: some places is fifty five thousand ERA and all of
Speaker 7: that then we made We did Mate one hundred and
Speaker 7: fifty thousand and one undred and one oh five and
Speaker 7: the same MA is currently is now forty five thousand
Speaker 7: Touch five thousand era. So sometimes it's dicey, you know,
Speaker 7: the ecosystem is quite dicey. Can we can we look
Speaker 7: at how do we how do we communicate investment properly to.
Speaker 2: People in the aspora.
Speaker 1: I think you have a valid question, just wondering if
Speaker 1: it's on topic.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, because one of the reasons why many many
Speaker 7: actually traveling abroad is to is to make it, don't
Speaker 7: make it.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 1: I didn't touch him, he dropped off. I didn't touch him. Uh,
Speaker 1: muster mind. Hey, guys, let's just if you can keep
Speaker 1: on topic. I would love that, master mind. You're here,
Speaker 1: muster mind. I mean, how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing.
Speaker 1: It's funnier so.
Speaker 2: Reading to you and your your guests here vos.
Speaker 6: I do have a question about immigration, but I would
Speaker 6: first like to say that, you know, for somebody to
Speaker 6: take the risk to try to.
Speaker 2: Make it to another country, especially.
Speaker 6: Like through the desert and over seas and that kind
Speaker 6: of thing, obviously they feel as though their situation is
Speaker 6: dire enough to take that kind of risk. And whether
Speaker 6: I think that it makes sense or not, I don't
Speaker 6: know the psychology, and I don't know what they're going through.
Speaker 2: I don't know their dreams and desires.
Speaker 6: So I think for me it would be a little
Speaker 6: distingenuous to say, hey, it's not worth the risk whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think that we probably need to give a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 6: Empathy to people who feel as though they need to
Speaker 6: risk so much just to make it somewhere. I really
Speaker 6: do have empathy and sympathy for those people who have
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 2: Through all of that.
Speaker 6: So my question on immigration was, can you talk about
Speaker 6: the entrepreneur visa, you know, or making it to the
Speaker 6: US through entrepreneurship or through business ownership. I know it's
Speaker 6: pretty the requirements are pretty hefty, but I just wanted
Speaker 6: to know if you guys could talk about that part.
Speaker 2: You know, wherever you're coming from.
Speaker 6: It could be coming from Nigeria, but coming over through
Speaker 6: business ownership.
Speaker 1: When they talk around the eight hundred thousand dollars, one
Speaker 1: is that the EB five fee sides that what you're
Speaker 1: talking about clothing have gone through that is that what
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's eight hundred thousand, but I
Speaker 6: know that there's there's one that does there There there
Speaker 6: are requirements and maybe there's a hundred thousand. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but I know that there is a way to get over,
Speaker 6: but it is I think the money required is a
Speaker 6: bit significant.
Speaker 1: Clothing, there's a way to do, gotcha. But apart from
Speaker 1: the EB five. Is there any other like business investments?
Speaker 1: You know you talked about there is a first of.
Speaker 2: All master mind. We are very empathic.
Speaker 3: I'm an actual advocate for immigrants. I'm just saying here
Speaker 3: because this space is for African people and to give
Speaker 3: realistic expectations and maybe kind of upset well.
Speaker 2: Like what were you expecting?
Speaker 3: Because when you have people when I asked same questions, Okay,
Speaker 3: so what was your expectation? What were you told? And
Speaker 3: they will told so many things that are not realistic.
Speaker 3: So that's why we mentioned, you know, maybe is any
Speaker 3: other way they can.
Speaker 2: Use because they do pay a lot of money to
Speaker 2: cost all the way to the UN or Europe that
Speaker 2: they maybe.
Speaker 3: Could pay to do something else. So in terms of entrepreneurship,
Speaker 3: there's this so I talked about the national interest weather
Speaker 3: U talked talked about the EB five, And there's also
Speaker 3: this entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: Parole, which is it's a new thing.
Speaker 3: It's a new it's not a visa, it's a parole
Speaker 3: basically if you it's also gett to like second Valley
Speaker 3: type of like they your capital type of business or entrepreneurship. Basically,
Speaker 3: if you you you don't have any other visas, especially
Speaker 3: for international students, and then you cannot obtain a he
Speaker 3: B or any other world visa. But then you're have
Speaker 3: a business interested in your interested in your endeavor, they
Speaker 3: can they can esposor you for that parrole. So it's
Speaker 3: it's it's not a visa, it's a status and it
Speaker 3: gives you thirty months and it's.
Speaker 2: Renewable one time.
Speaker 3: However, it can lead to permanent residency if you can
Speaker 3: improve national interest through entrepreneurship, or if you can increase
Speaker 3: the amount to eight hundred thousand or one million of
Speaker 3: one million fifty thousand to get ABY five.
Speaker 2: It was initially improvement or put invested.
Speaker 3: By Obama, then they do who was talking about Obama?
Speaker 3: And then they Trump administration. The first time they stopped,
Speaker 3: they blocked it. When Biden took office, he revived it.
Speaker 3: Right now it has not been touched maybe because you know,
Speaker 3: like I said, second baldying type of investors are having
Speaker 3: their benefiting from that. So but for regular people who
Speaker 3: don't have any investors or who are not into into
Speaker 3: innovative type of businesses, they are not they are limited
Speaker 3: to achieve that parallel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so can you apply for that in Nigeria or
Speaker 1: you have to be in the state to apply for
Speaker 1: that status.
Speaker 2: You can apply anywhere where.
Speaker 1: Really, what's the what's it called? What's it? What's it just?
Speaker 2: It's called International International Parle.
Speaker 1: Let me see, okay, mastermind, is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That one. I think there's another. E two tree.
Speaker 3: Visa is mainly for European countries and some African countries. Surprising,
Speaker 3: Cameroon is one of the two invest country Nigeria.
Speaker 1: It's not there, Clouding, I not there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if South Africa. I don't think South Africa.
Speaker 1: Ron is there?
Speaker 2: When not there, I think it's Cameroon. It is Congo,
Speaker 2: brother vi which now is bound.
Speaker 1: How is Nigeria?
Speaker 2: They actually put out African countries into visa.
Speaker 8: I can put put up the list so much informed
Speaker 8: that we didn't talk about that because I'm going at visa.
Speaker 1: It's an ATO visa, visa visa YouTube visa is a
Speaker 1: non immigrant visa that allows citizens of certain countries which
Speaker 1: the US maintains a treaty of Commerce and navigation In
Speaker 1: the countries.
Speaker 3: There's Cameroon, Congo, broser Congo, d r C, Liberia, Morocco, Egypt,
Speaker 3: if your segal to go and Tuleisia right now, Congo
Speaker 3: is fully banned from any visas to enter the US.
Speaker 3: Togo is banned, so these other countries.
Speaker 2: Can be able to.
Speaker 1: But Magia was never in this list. Never band to
Speaker 1: go and Gongo over stays, I think that's what I
Speaker 1: read the word over stays, that's what they wrote.
Speaker 2: And they like but overstates how many? How many citizens
Speaker 2: of the band? Those are very small.
Speaker 3: Food travel band national from Chad, Republic of Congo, is
Speaker 3: Blaza v Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Libya, Somalia, Sudan are currently
Speaker 3: banned from entering the US on both immigrants and olden visas.
Speaker 3: That also means the even petition for your spouse to come.
Speaker 3: The only exception is for refugees and assieties. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then you have Otabo is partially banned alone too, like
Speaker 3: for business as visas they can come on into but yes,
Speaker 3: so it too is available for it is an old STALLUS.
Speaker 2: You can invest. It doesn't really.
Speaker 3: Give you a like how the ceiling or the threshold.
Speaker 3: It's it's investment, so it depends on the business.
Speaker 1: The language says there's no set minimum, but the investments
Speaker 1: should be substantial enough to show commitments. So, I mean
Speaker 1: it's a great pisa and we don't have it in Nigeria.
Speaker 1: I mean someone should copy someone or missed off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Camero has it, why don't we.
Speaker 3: Have it Egypt, Morocco people, Congo press. So I've never
Speaker 3: seen people using it.
Speaker 1: Someone should taggert the care please. Okay, thanks master mind
Speaker 1: that you. I think we've gotten it too. We've gotten
Speaker 1: the intentional parole and what's at the EB five that's
Speaker 1: from your question, So I think that's we did good.
Speaker 1: Dare right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the question has been answered.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, appreciate you're welcome and let's get Ramsey. Ramsey,
Speaker 1: how you doing Hella sha and.
Speaker 2: A great thank you for giving the opportunity. So I
Speaker 2: know you're speaking.
Speaker 9: About the pathway of immigration processes to probably going out right,
Speaker 9: but I'm looking at it. Could they also be a
Speaker 9: part way for you know, maybe returning to African countries
Speaker 9: to do the same things that we can also bring investment,
Speaker 9: for instance, even to visit Nigeria.
Speaker 10: The requirement is that you have to know someone in
Speaker 10: Nigeria that rights and give.
Speaker 9: A passport page of his own power or our own passport.
Speaker 10: That a page to invite you to come. But let's
Speaker 10: assume that I have money.
Speaker 2: I wanted to.
Speaker 10: Visit Nigeria just to take a look at Nigeria.
Speaker 9: Maybe not to invest yet, but just to take a look.
Speaker 9: And why do I need to know someone in Nigeria.
Speaker 9: I have money, so I think we can also look
Speaker 9: at that part.
Speaker 2: You can. Yeah, I would be.
Speaker 9: Coming there, but I myself a Nagera citizen, so I
Speaker 9: hold a different passport.
Speaker 10: But to visit Nigeria was required someone, right.
Speaker 1: I have friends in the States, and the lady sent
Speaker 1: me a page from Ghana. And in Ghana they have
Speaker 1: what you're talking about where if you want to come
Speaker 1: back to Ghana and get an African name and buy
Speaker 1: a house. In Ghana they have this editing built to
Speaker 1: American standard with the plugs and everything. In Ghana you
Speaker 1: can do that. Yeah. In Bennett they have if you
Speaker 1: want to go on city where the slaves went out
Speaker 1: of the ceremony, they have all that stuff. In Senegal
Speaker 1: they have a tour.
Speaker 2: Visit wander yeah, and also do business.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Rwanda is a sing Singapore of Africa.
Speaker 1: Have I started already? Okay, good job it's easy.
Speaker 2: They have they are very busy. Just need to do
Speaker 2: a hashtag vis Wanda and everything is online. Actually, so
Speaker 2: a thought.
Speaker 3: Right when I was doing my master's in international law,
Speaker 3: one of the courses we had was international research.
Speaker 2: Something and we had a project.
Speaker 3: So what I did is to because I was an
Speaker 3: international students, you know, no international students, but I.
Speaker 2: Was from abroad, so there was you know, it's to
Speaker 2: get good points for you to get an a. Maybe
Speaker 2: you should do a research to have like a a.
Speaker 3: Like outline of how to people can visit your country
Speaker 3: to do investments, the laws and everything.
Speaker 2: So I did all of that and that in a
Speaker 2: oh h and that was before they visited Wanda, you know.
Speaker 1: But as I said, this is a very great point
Speaker 1: though that we are talking about going out, but we
Speaker 1: make it very very hard. I mean, this is why
Speaker 1: why the US give Najera just the three three months
Speaker 1: single ensues because it said reciprocal. To come to Nigeria
Speaker 1: from America is very difficult. Bill Gates at the time
Speaker 1: you have to go get a visa to come to Nigeria.
Speaker 1: I don't know why is making it so difficult, Like
Speaker 1: Ramsey is saying, if you want to come to the
Speaker 1: country to visit that we should actually be saying the
Speaker 1: land and get visit visa on arrival. I don't know
Speaker 1: why it's so difficult. What are we what are we
Speaker 1: dragging with them to say they give us six months?
Speaker 1: To give them six months? We are the ones looking
Speaker 1: for the FDI, you know, So, Ramsey, I think it
Speaker 1: is a great point you're making that we've got to
Speaker 1: make the country not just to say we want investments,
Speaker 1: but even at the airport and the PaperWorks get to
Speaker 1: the airport. It should be easier. Why should Nigeria go
Speaker 1: get a visa if you're like, if you're in Nigerian
Speaker 1: with an American passport, you have to go get a
Speaker 1: visa to come to Nigeria. Why you know, why why
Speaker 1: can't you come and say my father is Why does it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It's great point though, we have to make it easier
Speaker 1: because you're bringing money back to invest in the country
Speaker 1: and that should be the number one thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're bringing folks back, so excellent. Thanks for that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna come back. Ramsey. Are you your okay?
Speaker 1: You got your question? You're good?
Speaker 2: Yeah. The last part that you say it's not just doing.
Speaker 9: It's just required that in Nigelia, someone who is an
Speaker 9: Aguran that has international.
Speaker 10: Passport has to write invite me. Why do someone invite me?
Speaker 10: Can I just pick interested in Angelia and go to Nigeria, wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Know anyone in Nigeria. Yeah, I have to go to Nigeria,
Speaker 2: you know that.
Speaker 9: I think that requirement should be removed because there are
Speaker 9: a lot of people who may have money and want
Speaker 9: to visit Nigeria, but they may not know people in
Speaker 9: Nigeria to write and invite them and be willing.
Speaker 2: To give them the paper their passport.
Speaker 1: Except yeah, anyway the world you go to you can.
Speaker 1: I went to Kenya. You just walk in. You get
Speaker 1: a B sign you're walking. I haven't been to Ruanda.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll come, but you know, I'm not sure to
Speaker 1: ask what that's a.
Speaker 2: Page and there's loves are required for Africa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know why.
Speaker 4: I've started over in Gali. Before I was en route
Speaker 4: to back to the US from Nigeria. I stopped with
Speaker 4: ving Jali and I had a US passport. I didn't
Speaker 4: have my Nageram passport and they told me it would
Speaker 4: have been easier if I had an Anjeriam.
Speaker 2: Passport to go into into that.
Speaker 4: I thought my US passport would make everything easy for me,
Speaker 4: but I actually they said if I hadn't a Dream passport.
Speaker 3: It would I don't have to pay When you have
Speaker 3: a US US passport, you have to pay something.
Speaker 4: Something happened to me in Togo when I wanted to
Speaker 4: go go and they told me I didn't have a
Speaker 4: co worst passport. You know, I had a US passport.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go get a visa. But if
Speaker 4: I had an an JAM passport that I would not
Speaker 4: have needed that.
Speaker 1: So my Dream passport is part needed when you're flying
Speaker 1: from here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because me, I traveled with US passport. I got
Speaker 2: to n Jail with a visit.
Speaker 4: I know, you know because me, I know, but I
Speaker 4: last time I landed that I probably need to have
Speaker 4: my Nageram passport along with me.
Speaker 1: Good good point.
Speaker 9: You can quickly applied for a coast travel document in
Speaker 9: any of the West African countries to be able to
Speaker 9: travel around with the US passport.
Speaker 1: Okay, good pointing To come back to you on this
Speaker 1: issue of immigration and paper papers and password. Most of
Speaker 1: the guys in South America, they have these documents that
Speaker 1: they give to their citizens when they're in the United States,
Speaker 1: and those documents are accepted by banks. For instance, they
Speaker 1: have what they call the Councilar card that Mexicans give
Speaker 1: to their citizens. They get it, I think in the
Speaker 1: US and the banks in America accept that document to
Speaker 1: open an account. I think Gatemala has the DUI card
Speaker 1: is in nationality card. There's a border crossing card. Why
Speaker 1: don't Africans really have this because in the way, when
Speaker 1: you come into the country, you don't have a passport,
Speaker 1: you don't have anything. It gives you ID verifiable with
Speaker 1: your picture and all that. Then you can then go
Speaker 1: and then you start that process of getting paperwork in
Speaker 1: the state. Do you I do have any experience Do
Speaker 1: you notice what I'm talking about in this paperwork that
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, the card, Yeah, the councilor card from
Speaker 1: Mexico that they give to them and they're able to
Speaker 1: use it to then do processes inside America. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think any African country has anything like that
Speaker 1: that we issue, apart from a visa which is not
Speaker 1: issued by US.
Speaker 2: I think some countries have construct card. I think.
Speaker 3: Again, Wanda has a construct card called Divoir has a
Speaker 3: construct card, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's a picture, it gives a picture, it's a picture.
Speaker 3: I D.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is almost like like a per so like
Speaker 1: if you want to use services from the embassy, you.
Speaker 2: Have to have a consul card.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And the US banks accepted.
Speaker 3: So the US banks accept there are some banks that
Speaker 3: do not accept any foreign ye, but Bank of America,
Speaker 3: if you have an ID, you have a passport.
Speaker 1: Account, yeah, if you got now, if you have a
Speaker 1: passport and the visa, those are two forms of ID
Speaker 1: they like they would accept, they would accept. No, if
Speaker 1: you have a visa, you.
Speaker 2: Have to shop around the banks like the big banks.
Speaker 2: Maybe not like like some some of the big banks
Speaker 2: and the Bank of America, I know it's not the
Speaker 2: if you have a passport, I know for I have
Speaker 2: of course, how you got here about.
Speaker 1: A visa, I know for a fact that if you
Speaker 1: go to Wells, Wells FAG or if you.
Speaker 2: Have I don't think of America is no.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying. I'm trying that they will open account
Speaker 1: for you with if you if you're working with your passport,
Speaker 1: your foreign passport and you have a local I D.
Speaker 1: So you have a Nigerian passport and have a driver's
Speaker 1: license from the US to open account for you.
Speaker 2: Even if you have a visa in your passport, they open.
Speaker 3: Two of the Like students when they come here, they
Speaker 3: don't have yet an ID, they have their passport and
Speaker 3: they have their visa, so they open accounts.
Speaker 2: But like you said, it's not like all the banks. Yep,
Speaker 2: you have to really know which bank accepts.
Speaker 1: Okay, And again most of the the d ms, I'm
Speaker 1: getting there to do it, spouse, if I if I'm pregnant,
Speaker 1: to do it, students, visas. We've covered the to do
Speaker 1: with the business visas with quite a lot of that.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for any new one. Really haven't covered if
Speaker 1: I'm in this So yeah, CLO. If I'm in America
Speaker 1: and I do not have paperwork, I'm in America, what
Speaker 1: can I do today? He came in, the visa has expired,
Speaker 1: his visa has experis over out stadi is visa, so
Speaker 1: now he has no he has no he's over states visa.
Speaker 1: What is the legal thing to do at this small moments?
Speaker 2: That's that then most might be nothing legal to do.
Speaker 10: You know, are you dating someone who is willing to
Speaker 10: marry you.
Speaker 2: That is only without you can say that.
Speaker 1: So Ramsey is saying, I'm replying to the gentleman that's asking.
Speaker 1: So his the answer came back. If you are dating
Speaker 1: someone that is willing to marry you, then you can
Speaker 1: apply for the spousal but you have to.
Speaker 2: Be aware of marriage fraud.
Speaker 11: Marriage very is very just fairly lovely real. Yeah, because
Speaker 11: what you are that looks for beautiful ones?
Speaker 1: Doctor, ob doctor you don't joke about this thing. I beg,
Speaker 1: I beg because it's a serious question. Doctor there actually
Speaker 1: asking that the guy has come.
Speaker 2: There is a big deal.
Speaker 3: It's it's so once you are found to be you are,
Speaker 3: there's a bar or to a tour for cea bar
Speaker 3: and it is nothing. There's no even if you after
Speaker 3: that you marry somebody for good reasons and get a job,
Speaker 3: you cannot immigrate in the United States. Wow, maybe the
Speaker 3: only way you can have. Basically, it burns you from
Speaker 3: any almost any other than human Italian other than asylum.
Speaker 1: So if you do marriage fraud, you cannot apply for
Speaker 1: any other sort of perfectly humanitarian ones and all that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, if it's determined that you know, like they
Speaker 3: determine that you can challenge that, but once it's determined,
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 1: It's son just needs about so like hm, hm, tough one, tough, tough,
Speaker 1: tough one. So I mean the guy can go and
Speaker 1: get he can't join the US Army. That's what he's
Speaker 1: asking join the US AD.
Speaker 2: So to join the USAMY you have to have a
Speaker 2: green card.
Speaker 3: So they before they used to say okay, you can
Speaker 3: now joined the army and then be a pathway to
Speaker 3: your citizenship. And now they are requiring you to have
Speaker 3: a green card even ascieties.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're allowed to have.
Speaker 9: So as sil technically pemnent wrestler where they are approved
Speaker 9: to stay.
Speaker 2: So you can't join.
Speaker 10: But that to this gentleman, whether it's not a man
Speaker 10: or woman.
Speaker 2: You know, the only top for a green card within
Speaker 2: a year over your asylum or refugids. You're not technically
Speaker 2: you know, you have to apply for it, have a
Speaker 2: green card.
Speaker 6: Or not.
Speaker 1: So this guy. The only for this guy to Lielo
Speaker 1: for three years. His only option is to Lilo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he has the.
Speaker 10: Option that I mentioned.
Speaker 9: If he's dating someone seriously and they love themselves, they
Speaker 9: can just god marriage.
Speaker 10: And I think that's the only.
Speaker 1: Very interesting Okay you've heard, mister, mister chief, you've heard. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the best advice I've got. Let me found that
Speaker 1: good D m out here. So I am a student,
Speaker 1: it's good. I'm a student. I've done my master's. I
Speaker 1: like to go get my p Yeah, we've covered that.
Speaker 1: Clinton has said if you are, yeah, I said, it's.
Speaker 2: Schedule consultation with me to see options.
Speaker 1: Oh is there anything I needs to know about? Is
Speaker 1: any is your antenna going, speers going BEPEP? Is your
Speaker 1: Is anything he's doing wrong? He says his masters likes
Speaker 1: to go to pH D. You think she has to
Speaker 1: go see a lawyer?
Speaker 2: No, to know the past?
Speaker 1: Oh I see. Okay, all right, mister mister good candidate.
Speaker 3: Maybe they may be a good calidar for either national
Speaker 3: interest whatever.
Speaker 1: Okay, even EB one, which is Extra.
Speaker 2: Ability team they.
Speaker 1: Called the OKA. Yeah. So she's not saying you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: She's saying you might basically your option to review options
Speaker 1: for you because you might have other parties apart from
Speaker 1: just what you're consumer. What you're saying, just to clarify that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're not You're not in trouble questions of the
Speaker 1: path is yeah, just DM her. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to call you, just like they they So.
Speaker 2: Once you go on my profile, there's a way to
Speaker 2: contact me.
Speaker 1: Sorry she has had They can.
Speaker 2: Say, oh, I was in the space with the ALU
Speaker 2: and then that.
Speaker 1: We know, gotcha, gotcha? Perfect? That works. Muster mind your
Speaker 1: handles up a bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just trying to bash your guests about opening a business.
Speaker 6: You know, as a foreigner in the US. So if
Speaker 6: you come over to the US, you can obtain an I,
Speaker 6: T I N the individual or is IT X number yep,
Speaker 6: your man tax number will allow you to do things
Speaker 6: like start an LLC and get a bank account. Those
Speaker 6: things are easy to get. I think the only thing
Speaker 6: with the bank account is that you have to have
Speaker 6: like some form of ID. But other than that you
Speaker 6: can start to help. You know, this doesn't help you
Speaker 6: with your visa, meaning you can stay if you're not
Speaker 6: supposed to be here. But I have known people that
Speaker 6: are able to get certain jobs, you know, ten ninety
Speaker 6: nine jobs.
Speaker 2: With with the IT I and number as opposed to
Speaker 2: a Social Security number. But I just wanted to ask
Speaker 2: your guests about that.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, it doesn't have anything to
Speaker 6: do with your your immigrates and status per se.
Speaker 1: But I think I think it's a great question Tyson. Yeah, cluty,
Speaker 1: So he's basically balk about the it in. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have a say, so everybody can.
Speaker 3: Get it TIAR number. Uh got tier number of taxi
Speaker 3: education number because you know, the government was their taxes.
Speaker 2: They don't care anyway, however, and that's how a lot
Speaker 2: of people do to self event immigration. However, now you
Speaker 2: know you are, you are engaging in a lawful employment.
Speaker 2: Some people ain't gotta do what they've gotta do.
Speaker 3: However, with this administration, now, before the Social Security was
Speaker 3: not supposed to disclose information.
Speaker 2: So one of the executive actions that was.
Speaker 3: Like that was put in place was to allow the
Speaker 3: Social Securities Service Office to disclose people with TI number
Speaker 3: who don't have any paperwork. Now they can so, and
Speaker 3: it's been going in the court processes. I haven't checked,
Speaker 3: but I know for sure they gave the injunction.
Speaker 2: So some of the.
Speaker 3: The advocates for immigrants find injunction to enjoy the government
Speaker 3: from accessing the Social Security or not necessarily the IRIS
Speaker 3: the RAS information. However, even in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Allowed do not enjoying, meaning now the.
Speaker 3: DHS, the develoment of homeless Security is able up to
Speaker 3: access iris information from undocumented.
Speaker 2: Individuals, even though we don't know what the final ruling
Speaker 2: is going to be. So yes, people do that because
Speaker 2: they have to find a way to survive. But they
Speaker 2: are breached of immigration law.
Speaker 3: And if now with the information is given, they may
Speaker 3: be able to the interests may pursue them and put
Speaker 3: them in the vocal seeds.
Speaker 2: And yeah.
Speaker 1: But but but on the I'm not a lawyer, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer. But on the personal note, I'd
Speaker 1: rather have it. I'd rather have the business with the item,
Speaker 1: and I can argue in code that I'm doing business
Speaker 1: in America.
Speaker 2: The thing. Yes, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: People there are They were like, okay, you know, if
Speaker 3: you pay into the system and you pay taxes, you
Speaker 3: may be given the amnesty or then the pathway into
Speaker 3: seasonship and they'll probability to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and the administration has changed exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So I mean, so back to that person, mastermind back together.
Speaker 1: I asked the question before maybe the only thing he
Speaker 1: could do is to go set up a business use
Speaker 1: an iteing to rest an LLC.
Speaker 2: But attorney, I cannot advise anybody.
Speaker 1: To do that, to do that because okay, yeah you can.
Speaker 2: You know, it's.
Speaker 6: Interesting because Canadians do it all the time in the US.
Speaker 6: So you know when you go on to Florida and
Speaker 6: see all those people with houses and stuff, EMPLOYDA, they
Speaker 6: do something they do they go through a similar product.
Speaker 2: You can have an NC. So the NC means it's
Speaker 2: a company. So as you have a company, as long as.
Speaker 3: You do not work like actually work for NC, you
Speaker 3: can invest anywhere in the world. But the thing is
Speaker 3: if you are actively working without authorization, not just your company.
Speaker 2: Could you have a company and set.
Speaker 3: Up the ways to give your dividends in your Canada
Speaker 3: whatever you are, but not work for the company, like
Speaker 3: not do productive work without authorization.
Speaker 2: Like so you can, you can, you can work.
Speaker 6: You can work, but it has to be ten ninety nine.
Speaker 6: So if you're if you're an LLC, what I understand.
Speaker 10: No, still you don't have a work permit.
Speaker 2: You don't have a work permany So if you go
Speaker 2: so yeah you can, I unst it will.
Speaker 3: Take your money because they want their money. But for
Speaker 3: employment purposes. If if you're a safe Canadian you come
Speaker 3: here as a visitor, you are already breaching you you
Speaker 3: are actually.
Speaker 2: You are. You are not in a compliance with your
Speaker 2: visitor status because as a visitor you are not supposed
Speaker 2: to work. So if you get ten eighty nine, then
Speaker 2: it's going to be.
Speaker 3: A problem. However, you might need to get an accountant
Speaker 3: to see how they can because there are some like
Speaker 3: dividends you don't you cannot cash out your dividends. Like
Speaker 3: basically if you can have a company and the company
Speaker 3: does well, but there are other ways to to retrieve
Speaker 3: your dividends other than working from the United States, there
Speaker 3: you can do that.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. I think it meant get advices, just get advised.
Speaker 1: Go see everyone is different, So don't sit down with
Speaker 1: a lawyer like Claudine and accounting and they'll say this
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. Give get advice. That's
Speaker 1: what I would say, because if you get it wrong,
Speaker 1: the consequences are really going to be major. Our See, guys,
Speaker 1: we'll spend nearly two hours clouding, promise give me two hours.
Speaker 1: So we're rounding down. I think we'll take one or
Speaker 1: two and then we'll sort of like call it a day.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Conning for being here. R S
Speaker 1: R S a company that last time I think you're Polish.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Rcie, you've got the floor or he's dropped off. Okay,
Speaker 1: Perfect Clouding has been I would say it's been wonderful
Speaker 1: just having you here just to explain these things that
Speaker 1: look a bit complicated. Thank you for doing that. That's
Speaker 1: a glass guy here. Let me just see this tweet
Speaker 1: real quick, Clouding, give me a second, Just give me
Speaker 1: a second to read this. Okay, perfect I will this
Speaker 1: is too long for me to read. We'll spend two
Speaker 1: hours speaking with you closing, and I've just learned. Really
Speaker 1: so just as that was the whole idea to bring
Speaker 1: an expert in here, lots of things we here secondhand
Speaker 1: might not be true. So we brought you in here
Speaker 1: to just talk to us about these immigration issues, to
Speaker 1: tie it also into finance. Now, not about EB five,
Speaker 1: I've not about the E two, not about the international period.
Speaker 1: It's very very important for the business folks out here
Speaker 1: that want to talk diversify. They don't need to get
Speaker 1: a second passport, but they want also dive as a FI.
Speaker 1: And it comes to the second passport. Hey, let's do that.
Speaker 1: So I thank you so much for spending two hours
Speaker 1: with us here, not just tonight you have but also
Speaker 1: on the African content to talk about this. You're a
Speaker 1: great advocate for this and I'm really happy that you're
Speaker 1: to spend time with us.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having
Speaker 2: me and what we discussed has been helpful to many.
Speaker 2: And you can call me back another time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. We will if we will. I'm
Speaker 1: sure folks that are a bit shy all the DMC
Speaker 1: of sending to me. I'm not a lawyer, actually.
Speaker 2: Think I work for the government.
Speaker 1: No, I just think that people are bit I mean,
Speaker 1: if I don't want it, I'm not sure why we would,
Speaker 1: why we will be worried. So I saw that I
Speaker 1: was very very interesting. I don't want to talk because
Speaker 1: they're going to apply for a visa. They don't want
Speaker 1: to look as if they are. I don't know what
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me asking information. It's a
Speaker 1: very open space. This is not what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: They're looking for social media comments that are against the
Speaker 1: fundamentals ideas of the US government. This is not This
Speaker 1: is just an information on space. We want to get
Speaker 1: information about the processes the right way.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure why you'll be worried about talking
Speaker 1: or putting your face out there. I don't think that
Speaker 1: the US.
Speaker 2: There are some questions in the in the comments, so
Speaker 2: did you with them? As one of the.
Speaker 3: Circumstances that caused one asylum application to be sent in
Speaker 3: mil job without.
Speaker 2: Has been interviewed by elimolation.
Speaker 1: Officer, you should take that place.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I don't think I've seen this one. They schedule,
Speaker 2: they schedule.
Speaker 3: So once there are different types of asylum. There's there's
Speaker 3: what's called affirmative asylum. That I mean somebody came here
Speaker 3: with a visa and then they decide to apply for asylum.
Speaker 2: That's affirmative. It goes to the US Asylum Office.
Speaker 3: You know, we have different asylum offices around the country,
Speaker 3: and they who were scheduling for an interview with an
Speaker 3: asylum officer a cerlum officer really sometimes tax two, three,
Speaker 3: four hours.
Speaker 2: There's one I went towards six hours.
Speaker 3: And if you if they asylum officer office, the director
Speaker 3: does not grant your asylum, you are not denied. You
Speaker 3: are referred to an immigration judge. So the other type
Speaker 3: of asylum is that you know those people were talking
Speaker 3: about who come through the border like they you know,
Speaker 3: they just come in out of the border, and it's
Speaker 3: called defensive asylum because you are putting removal proceedings and
Speaker 3: then they say, okay, why are you crossing the border
Speaker 3: without inspection And then you take to the office to
Speaker 3: the sippy officer that you are seeking asylum because you
Speaker 3: fear persecution, are fleeing persecution in your country. You are
Speaker 3: placed in removal proceedings and then you fire. Asylum is
Speaker 3: a defensive defense against your deportation. Those go to quote
Speaker 3: immigration judge.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard any assylum cases being referred to court
Speaker 3: without an interview. You have, you know so far, but
Speaker 3: right now there is one. There's a new there's a
Speaker 3: new rule now which allows judges don't. Once you fire
Speaker 3: a case with a judge and you don't provide all
Speaker 3: the information on your phone, there's a form that you
Speaker 3: have to figure out I fably nine and you do
Speaker 3: not disclose enough information, the judge now has the discretion
Speaker 3: of fraetermitting like basically saying that you abandoned your case
Speaker 3: because you do not provide any information.
Speaker 2: Right, So most people when.
Speaker 3: They're applying for asylum, they just put yes, and then
Speaker 3: where they ask for explanation they leave that blank.
Speaker 2: So if you do that, now the.
Speaker 3: Judge can just say, okay, your case is incomplete abandoned deny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So but aside of office, I haven't seen that happened.
Speaker 3: They don't have that instructure. So the judges immigration judges
Speaker 3: are under the Department of Justice. Uh, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: and the Attorney General can say okay. According to this
Speaker 3: new legal precedent, now judges have they can just pretermit
Speaker 3: some cases without hearing them.
Speaker 2: Because they are incomplete. However, it has not.
Speaker 3: Been set by the DHS the development of Homeland Security
Speaker 3: that deals with their asylum affirmative assignum cases.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that happen.
Speaker 3: But to be safe, when you complete your assigum application,
Speaker 3: you know, of course you should seek the attorney's advice.
Speaker 2: But if if you don't, don't do that, you need
Speaker 2: to make sure you complete the form or is it.
Speaker 3: Ten pages all the questions you asked, also all the
Speaker 3: questions asked in the.
Speaker 2: Form, so that it's not abandoned. THEMS abandoned.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I didn't know about that. That's an
Speaker 1: inside base.
Speaker 2: It's a new it's a new casebi able of the
Speaker 2: Vision appeals. It's a matter of car. It was ruled
Speaker 2: in May this year, and now the judges.
Speaker 3: Are using it to just say, ok you cases in
Speaker 3: complete are and then you have to appear.
Speaker 1: So I mean if you have to just work with
Speaker 1: a lawyer, that's what I hear. Now you just can't
Speaker 1: sit down and do it at home on your table
Speaker 1: on a Sunday. Basically, go see to the professional and
Speaker 1: say I want to file this on Google court. Am
Speaker 1: I doing the right way? Don't leave any chances, don't
Speaker 1: leave any strings that can be pulled. That's really what
Speaker 1: I'm doing.
Speaker 3: So those who have cases before a judge, you know,
Speaker 3: the judge advises you to go seek legal cas so,
Speaker 3: so they give you a chance. They continue, they say, okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to give you another date so you can
Speaker 3: come back with an attorney. Because when you are before
Speaker 3: an immigration judge, you are against an attorney because the
Speaker 3: government saying the attorney, the DCHSE attorney is an attorney.
Speaker 3: So if you are not represented by an attorney, you
Speaker 3: you don't have any senses. They give you a chance
Speaker 3: to go find a judge. The judge has to inform
Speaker 3: you that you have the right for an attorney. Even
Speaker 3: if they don't pay one for you, you have to
Speaker 3: find one.
Speaker 2: They give you a list of nonprofit.
Speaker 3: Organizations or right now they don't really have that much
Speaker 3: funding because they have the funding.
Speaker 2: So you really have to be on your own to
Speaker 2: be able to afford an attorney to represent you.
Speaker 1: Important information there, guys, and I think it's a good
Speaker 1: place to close. And then that comments there. I didn't
Speaker 1: see that when you talk. That's didn't comment there, right, No,
Speaker 1: they so okay, yeah, it's so. I have a lot
Speaker 1: of them are very very shy today. Usually they're asking questions,
Speaker 1: but they're trying to be very very careful. All right, folks,
Speaker 1: thank you so someone, thank you, Claudine. I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 1: Like I said, once again, thank you. Say hi to
Speaker 1: the folks in Rwanda. There were good friends. One of
Speaker 1: these days will come and experience the beauty. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I read so that when God was going to sleep,
Speaker 1: he went to Rwanda. That was such in Nigeria, but
Speaker 1: Rwanda stolid. But yeah, I should go I should go
Speaker 1: and and see see for myself. Yeah, I will. I
Speaker 1: will give it. I will give it a spin. This
Speaker 1: when I come, I'll give the spin.
Speaker 2: When I go to Lagos.
Speaker 1: You want to go to Legers leg Us is le
Speaker 1: Us is New York?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you like New York? Do you like Utah?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's this in the US?
Speaker 6: Do you like?
Speaker 1: I'll give you the corresponding version in Nigeria. Do you want?
Speaker 1: You want New York vibe New York?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna there.
Speaker 2: But I like New York.
Speaker 1: You want to go to Yeah? Great, great food, great people.
Speaker 1: Nightlife is excellent, excellent, you know. The food is fantastic,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: And one of I have something start was in Rwanda
Speaker 3: this weekend or last weekend now signed with are.
Speaker 1: That Starr Star? Yes, just one of our exports that
Speaker 1: we used to make foreign currency. Yeah, it's just wonderful terms.
Speaker 1: I lots of yeah, so yeah, I have lots of
Speaker 1: folks in Rwanda. I have the real estate gather Is.
Speaker 1: They're doing a lot of stuff and rwands. A lot
Speaker 1: of nagurants are there.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we should wish. I'll definitely make our time
Speaker 1: and come this time being a Kenya about how to
Speaker 1: hop into Rwanda. All right, clad In, thanks yeah, and
Speaker 1: if I mean Houston, I will also look you up
Speaker 1: as well. And it's down but perfect. We'll do it
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you, guys. Let me let you guys go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great weekend, guys. Mondays just tomorrow
Speaker 1: and I love Mondays. Start of a great week for
Speaker 1: us all. So let's go out and make that money
Speaker 1: and stay safe. Guys, see you all next week. Next week,
Speaker 1: I ought to bring an economics professor to talk around
Speaker 1: the economics. But let's see how we go. Seeah, it's
Speaker 1: an open weekend, all right, guys take here. Thank you Claudine,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. You guys have a good
Speaker 1: day and bye.