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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Moving Conversations, a podcast for movement professionals, by

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<v Speaker 1>movement professionals. If you coach, train, or teach movement, pilates

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<v Speaker 1>or fitness, then this podcast is for you. With more

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<v Speaker 1>than sixty years of experience and fitness and pilates, your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Richie and Norse Saint John explored to science of

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<v Speaker 1>human movement, diving deep into the facts, myths, and common misconceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to spark thought and conversation about how we view

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<v Speaker 1>fitness and movement. Now let's jump into Moving Conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to Moving Conversations. I'm Brian Richiejunim as always

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<v Speaker 1>is Norse Saint John. Morning Nora.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing very well? Brian? Is a sunny day

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<v Speaker 2>here right after the palstice in California. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>start to get darker soon but hasn't yet, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>very sunny and beautiful and just fantastic. I understand you

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<v Speaker 2>were just in Chicago and Cleveland, where our guests, our

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<v Speaker 2>mystery guest is from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you who are watching on YouTube, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see that we do have a mystery guest. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>introducing him in just a second inviting him in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we decided at the end of school year,

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<v Speaker 1>for a combination of my wife's birthday, Father's Day, end

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<v Speaker 1>of school, we decided to take a road trip. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my first road trip. I come from an island. I

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<v Speaker 1>come from a tiny island called o' wahoo. You can

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<v Speaker 1>go around the whole thing in three hours, maybe three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half driving from DC to Chicago, two days

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<v Speaker 1>of six hours of driving and through the hills of Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that was I'm not gonna say agony,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was. It was a long time to be

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<v Speaker 1>behind the wheel and around huge semi trailers and things

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<v Speaker 1>that I was like, Okay, yeah, I can see that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a romanticism about it. However, I don't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm very willing to say that I've crossed that

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<v Speaker 1>off my list. I don't need to do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I really am. Yeah, but I will say this, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about this, and we'll talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>in another episode. I want to tell people about the

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<v Speaker 1>Pokemon exhibit at the Field Museum. I know he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, what is he talking about. They did

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<v Speaker 1>the Fossils of Pokemon and they did them basically the

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<v Speaker 1>same as they would for the dinosaurs and things. It's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's phenomenal. I'll be sharing some things on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll post it up there. It is so neat and

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<v Speaker 1>coming from an anatomy standpoint and looking at the pelvic

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<v Speaker 1>structure in the hip joint and looking at all these things,

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<v Speaker 1>it's phenomenal. It was really kind of neat the way

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<v Speaker 1>that my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. And now, without further ado, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>turn it over to Nora.

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<v Speaker 2>So, speaking of Cleveland, we have a guest here Troy McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 2>So if any of you don't know Troy, Troy's been

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<v Speaker 2>educator for Bounced Body for a long time. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>teaching pilates I think even longer than I have. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reason you wanted Tom on is because

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<v Speaker 2>Troy has studied with many of the elders and has

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<v Speaker 2>a a real rich understanding of we're calling it the

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<v Speaker 2>history and the evolution of pilates over many really over

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, and he's got a really nice perspective

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<v Speaker 2>on all of that, and it's again an amazing, amazing educator.

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<v Speaker 2>If any of you haven't ever followed him on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>He had just a whole wonderful assortment of little Vignette's

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<v Speaker 2>little teaching tips that were just incredible, especially during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>You just kept all of us going for a long

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<v Speaker 2>period of time there. So anyway, welcome Troy McCarty.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Nora, thank you, Brian. It's so nice to

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<v Speaker 4>join your podcast with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me, tell us a little bit about tell

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<v Speaker 2>us your history. So give us the shorter of the

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<v Speaker 2>long version.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure well, I started plats when I was a ballet

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<v Speaker 5>dance sir.

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<v Speaker 4>I was at school American Ballet. I got injured and

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that was going to be the end of me.

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<v Speaker 5>But the lady goes, now, there's some guy that does

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<v Speaker 5>something with spring on the upper East Side. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know anything about it. We're gonna send you over there.

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<v Speaker 5>So I grabbed my little dance bag, I had my

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<v Speaker 5>leg warmers on. This is during the period of fame. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I even did PK turns around the fountain at Lincoln

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<v Speaker 5>Center on my way up to the side, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>knocked on the door, and sure enough it was a

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<v Speaker 5>lot and Bruce King. Now Bruce King was one of

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<v Speaker 5>those original teachers that we don't hear so much about

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<v Speaker 5>because Bruce died pretty early on with the HIV pandemic

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<v Speaker 5>crisis that you know, took many of our great artists

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<v Speaker 5>away from us in New York City. But anyways, I

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<v Speaker 5>got to study from Bruce, and Bruce was really really

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<v Speaker 5>well known for.

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<v Speaker 4>Breaking the exercises down for a beginner. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if this is.

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<v Speaker 5>An urban legend or you know, you might get some

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<v Speaker 5>you know, some call back on this, but somebody once

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<v Speaker 5>told me that Actually Clara asked Bruce first if he

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to take over the studio, and h Bruce said,

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<v Speaker 5>I still have a dance career. I'm very active in

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<v Speaker 5>the dance community. I don't have time in my life

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<v Speaker 5>for this. So yeah, he didn't, so it went to Romana.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how true that is, because I've only

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<v Speaker 5>heard that from one person. Usually, when you get to

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<v Speaker 5>study from elders, if you hear it from two of them,

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<v Speaker 5>you can pretty much bet that Joe said that. If

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<v Speaker 5>you hear it from one, you're like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I've heard the same story from from Eve Gentry. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it was like Bruce because Bruce is

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<v Speaker 2>close and then Eve, but Eve was in New Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>by that point, so she was like, no, I've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my own life going on. I mean, from

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<v Speaker 2>all all, from all the elders that I've heard, Romana

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<v Speaker 2>was not the first choice, right that there was other

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<v Speaker 2>people that first.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, just so you know, Yeah, so that's good, so

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<v Speaker 5>that it's a source there that you know, that story

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't changed too much, so wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So Bruce was very good with me.

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<v Speaker 5>He really took my injury, which was lower back and

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<v Speaker 5>hip from lifting a very h a ballerina that was

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<v Speaker 5>not size appropriate for me to lift, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>so amazed that I couldn't get her up in here.

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<v Speaker 5>I looked up at her and then it all went

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<v Speaker 5>south and crash boom. Yeah, I pretty much wrenched my back,

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<v Speaker 5>did some damage to the hip, and he rehabbed me. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I got to study from Bruce for a

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<v Speaker 5>good two years. Bruce started getting very ill. We're talking

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<v Speaker 5>a period when you know, like didn't have health insurance

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<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that, so it was very sad. So

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<v Speaker 5>he I went over to Romana and studied from Romana

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<v Speaker 5>and it was like a contrast.

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<v Speaker 4>Because Bruce was so much into like breaking.

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<v Speaker 5>Things down and and really getting to the essence of

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<v Speaker 5>that exercise, you know. And I felt like when I

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<v Speaker 5>went to Romana, Romana really knew the spirit of Joe

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<v Speaker 5>Ploates and it was like, you know, you were hearing

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<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe Joe say things through through Romana. So

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<v Speaker 5>it was very interesting. It was a very interesting contrast

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<v Speaker 5>both both teachers. I learned in an immense amount of

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that strikes me about that

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<v Speaker 2>is again I haven't say with Bruce. I said Romana

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<v Speaker 2>and Eve and Corolla and you know, and a few

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<v Speaker 2>more modern versions too, and that that breaking down piece.

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<v Speaker 2>When I studied with Romana, she was very like, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't break things down. She always just joys said, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for the back room, like all the breakdown stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>in the back room. We're just going to do pilates.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and and she really that was that was at

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<v Speaker 2>least that was the impression I got it from her

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<v Speaker 2>at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>This was many years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's interesting because I know Eve did a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of breakdown, a lot of breakdown. Kathy Grant did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of breakdown, you know, trying to get people up

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<v Speaker 2>to the level of skill to be able to do

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<v Speaker 2>the work appropriately.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think was what was so interesting about Bruce that

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<v Speaker 5>he just really understood the essence of each exercise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and he was he was able to get into that

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<v Speaker 5>raw material, that knowledge that exercise was going to put

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<v Speaker 5>into your body, and he could break it down to

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<v Speaker 5>a point both in his language skills and his movement

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<v Speaker 5>skills that my body could understand.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know that that really worked for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, for me that that's the essence of

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<v Speaker 2>the teaching that we all do. Brian as well, Brian

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<v Speaker 2>has both the ploties background and personal training background. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the best teachers can figure out where they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get to in terms of a movement skill,

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<v Speaker 2>and then how do I build up the pieces to

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<v Speaker 2>that movement skill, right, whether it's mobility or strength or stability,

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<v Speaker 2>like what are they trying to do and then find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get there. It sounds like Bruce was

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<v Speaker 2>really a master at that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Bruce could could help you go inside your body

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<v Speaker 5>and that was that was a big thing for me.

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<v Speaker 5>What am I feeling inside? You know, I come from

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<v Speaker 5>a movement background. So you know, I know how to

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<v Speaker 5>move my arms, I know how to move my legs

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<v Speaker 5>connected to my core, but I want to understand more

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<v Speaker 5>what should I be feeling inside? And I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>where Bruce really really was stellar and his teaching approach

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<v Speaker 5>really getting me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you kind of like you, yeah, sorry interrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is so important from a teaching perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it just comes from dance, pilates, any type of movement,

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<v Speaker 1>you really have to understand the reason for the movement,

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<v Speaker 1>the why, and you really need to understand what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on within the body and the importance of how to

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<v Speaker 1>verbalize it, how to get that person to understand it

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<v Speaker 1>at the same depth that you do, even if they're

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen choreographers who you would look at them walk

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<v Speaker 5>I think as approaching the method from a dancer, my

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<v Speaker 2>It having watched you teach a lot, Troy, because I've

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<v Speaker 2>give that one correction that makes all the difference was

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<v Speaker 2>what I really have always admired about your teaching. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's focused, it's incredibly present, it's incredibly whole bodied

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<v Speaker 2>and very efficient. And it sounds like you learned some

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<v Speaker 2>of that anyway from Bruce King that those are the

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<v Speaker 2>seeds that were planted in you about how to help

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<v Speaker 2>a body figure out what to do and do it better. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So Bruce really instilled in me that this.

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<v Speaker 5>Is a whole body workout, working from the top of

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<v Speaker 5>the head down to the toes, and your whole body

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<v Speaker 5>is working to achieve this, you know, whatever we're doing,

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<v Speaker 5>if it's short box, long box, whatever. So he was

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, and coming from a ballet background where

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<v Speaker 5>you know, be able to able to just give one

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<v Speaker 5>correction to a dancer that's going to make the difference

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<v Speaker 5>in so I was able to take that from my

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<v Speaker 4>The plates you know, studio. So yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I've I've thought a lot as

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<v Speaker 2>very rich movement background. Right, you Gentry, certainly Bruce King,

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<v Speaker 2>Ramondo to some extent. You know, all of them. We're

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<v Speaker 2>and during their Parti's career. And there's something about just

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<v Speaker 2>move better that you know, creates that efficiency. Like for

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<v Speaker 2>you being a ballet master, this is the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>you need to work on, but shift your weight over here,

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<v Speaker 2>right or whatever? It is that one little cue that

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<v Speaker 2>is like, oh now I get it, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>and I understand the body enough, not in a broken

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<v Speaker 2>down and natty way, but in a whole body. How

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<v Speaker 2>does it integrate way to be able to give that

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<v Speaker 2>one cue is just as remarkable.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I think like you know, as a dancer,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you approach, you know that alignment of the body.

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<v Speaker 4>You're constantly scanning that alignment.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're you know that the reformers is like beautiful grid.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like you know, a canvas and.

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<v Speaker 5>It's got lines and you can just really line everything

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<v Speaker 5>up to see that you know, impurity of that alignment

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<v Speaker 5>and it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's like you know, it becomes an eyeshord.

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<v Speaker 5>Me I get fixated on one thing, like I can't

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<v Speaker 5>get off of it.

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<v Speaker 4>But as I get older, I've learned how to control that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>That, you know that that part of me there, So yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You must have a fun time going through you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a supermarket or walking down the park, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, at this point, I can't I can't not

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<v Speaker 2>see the weirdness that's happening around me. And sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>like what is that? You know, and you're trying not

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<v Speaker 2>to look horrified, but you're horrified what is happening over there?

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<v Speaker 4>It's airports for me, but.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sitting waiting on a flight and I'm purely bored.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be there.

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<v Speaker 5>I start looking at people's movement and I'm like, if

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<v Speaker 5>that person came to me, I charge him double. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>how did that person ever like walk from their car

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<v Speaker 5>to the airport without you know, like majorly injuring themselves

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<v Speaker 5>or somebody else. Yeah, And I start shaking my head

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<v Speaker 5>and my husband's floy stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not so Yeah, Yeah, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Judgment is pouring out of you in those moments, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like just it's just happening, Like I can't help myself,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not happening. This is not attractive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know what, I think we go through that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonder if our elders went through that with students too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we will see that one video of Joe

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<v Speaker 5>teaching the one guy was pushing on the head. I

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<v Speaker 5>first thing, I don't think he's pushing that hard because

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<v Speaker 5>we have to step back in time of that video

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<v Speaker 5>because the cameras were not that good.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like you have now.

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<v Speaker 5>But I love that video because it shows to me

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<v Speaker 5>that even Joe struggled with some of his students. You know, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>getting that guy to go where Joe wanted him to

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<v Speaker 5>go was a struggle. And I think as teachers, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we all have those, you know, special clients and students

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<v Speaker 5>that we have a little bit of a struggle with.

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<v Speaker 5>So I mean, I'm not going to push on there.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to, but I'm not going to raise

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<v Speaker 5>my hand on a client, you or a student.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to ask you something. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>tie in with this. In the age of I do

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<v Speaker 1>a number of people through zoom or FaceTime, however you

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<v Speaker 1>want to put it through online and sometimes I find

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<v Speaker 1>finding that one HU can be challenging because some of

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<v Speaker 1>us already have clients who are body dyslexic. They really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know they're right from their left, they're up from

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<v Speaker 1>their downy, they're so they don't know what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be able to do it when we're not

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<v Speaker 1>present and we can't put our hands on them, when

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<v Speaker 1>we can't touch them, we can't cueue them physically, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to do it purely through our voice. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be so much more challenging, and it's so important to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to find that one que to make the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest difference, and sometimes knowing when to just back off

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<v Speaker 1>and say, well, we're not doing that one today, or Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is about as good as we're going to get.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good enough for today, we'll work on it in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Have you found that in the age of

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<v Speaker 1>online it's become a little more challenging.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, And I find that a teaching online has definitely.

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<v Speaker 4>Helped me with my visual skills, really really.

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<v Speaker 5>Happening to like, you know, see the person and like

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<v Speaker 5>making them stop. It's like can you repeat that right there?

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<v Speaker 5>You know during zoom I'm a tactow guy. I love

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<v Speaker 5>to use my hands. You know, these are probably the

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<v Speaker 5>most important tools we have as plottys teachers. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>during the pandemic, I was like, you know, they're talking

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<v Speaker 5>that we can't touch anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Help. My whole career is changing in front of my eyes.

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<v Speaker 5>So like, yeah, so I started really kind of developing

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<v Speaker 5>that you know, that visual uh with with the students,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and I teach that in my courses.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, what are we looking at? What? What exactly

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<v Speaker 4>are you looking at? Are you scanning the body?

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<v Speaker 5>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you too busy worrying about how many springs or whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>So, yes, the visual is very important, and doing online

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<v Speaker 5>is definitely can be a challenging you know atmosphere to

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<v Speaker 5>do it and exactly, yeah, very challenging that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I always wonder, like, what what do you think the

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<v Speaker 5>elders would think of us doing plots?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm zoom, Yeah, I mean, so a couple of thoughts

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<v Speaker 6>because I have thought about this actually a fair bit,

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<v Speaker 6>thinking about their different personalities.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Joe, I think I would do you think

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<v Speaker 2>he would be happy about the incredible popularity of pilates, right, now,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was kind of his dream, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure he would picture it being quite such a

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<v Speaker 2>kaleidoscopic variety that I doubt that's what he had in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And then I also think about all the

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<v Speaker 2>others that I worked with were so precise and detail oriented,

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<v Speaker 2>and by the time I met them, they were all

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<v Speaker 2>in their sixties or seventies or eighties for that matter,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're all a little bit like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what to do, Like they did not have They're just

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<v Speaker 2>this is how it is. They're not going to make

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<v Speaker 2>you feel good necessarily, They're just going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. So I think many of them would

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<v Speaker 2>be horrified, honestly, because they also most of them taught

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<v Speaker 2>privates or small groups, you know, they really they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>teach classes. They didn't teach twenty reformers in a room

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody doing the same thing. So, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a different world. It's a much less intimate, much

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<v Speaker 2>less personal world, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>In some of right, Yeah, I think I think you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you're you're You're absolutely right, Nora. I think Joe would

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<v Speaker 5>like that this has really evolved all around the world,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, plats is really popular right now, But I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know if he would be so into everything that we're.

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<v Speaker 4>Seeing that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Horrified.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I don't want to be the plots police,

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<v Speaker 5>because we have plenty of those on Instagram and I

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<v Speaker 5>a few times, you know, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I like the variety that I see.

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<v Speaker 5>I love the creativity I see, but some of the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the other things that I'm seeing, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, that's pretty dangerous.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope you're not teaching that to your students or

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<v Speaker 4>your clients, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Yeah, there was a few years ago I was

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<v Speaker 1>teaching in the anatomy in three dimensions, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>someone in the class who was very classically trained and

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<v Speaker 1>was almost refusing to wrap their brain around movement in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. That wasn't the original repertoire anything that I

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<v Speaker 1>would bring up about movement. It was well, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what Joe said, that's not what Joe said. And finally

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, Okay, when did he pass away? When

424
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<v Speaker 1>did he stop evolving as a human being? If he

425
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<v Speaker 1>were to live now, with all the new technologies that

426
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<v Speaker 1>we have. Don't you think he would have taken in

427
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that and created things that we may

428
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<v Speaker 1>never have just because his brain was working at a

429
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>level that obviously for what we he's created on a

430
00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.519
<v Speaker 1>wavelength that no one else had before. So I look

431
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<v Speaker 1>at it from that standpoint and say, if he was here,

432
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<v Speaker 1>would he take to things like zoom or whatnot? Would

433
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<v Speaker 1>he take to all of this and really acclimate and

434
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<v Speaker 1>even evolved into being so much more? I don't know,

435
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>but I like to think that he had that mind

436
00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that was more wanting to expand rather than you know,

437
00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:13.160
<v Speaker 1>be so rigid in the end. And I could be

438
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.079
<v Speaker 1>completely wrong, but that's how I.

439
00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:18.960
<v Speaker 5>Think you're right on track, because you know, if we

440
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:24.920
<v Speaker 5>look at Joe and his inventions, there's a lot of gadgets. Yeah,

441
00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.240
<v Speaker 5>you know, we got the foot corrector, we got the

442
00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:29.920
<v Speaker 5>toe separator, we got the pedopol We've.

443
00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:30.920
<v Speaker 4>Got all these.

444
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 5>We got the what is that the breathelmeter or yeah.

445
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>The weightings like he waited, yeah.

446
00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so the shoes, the weighted shoes, yeah exactly.

447
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.200
<v Speaker 4>So I you know, the man was into gadgets.

448
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 5>So I think, like, you know, having this technology, I

449
00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:54.079
<v Speaker 5>think that he would have totally embraced and and really, yeah,

450
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:59.039
<v Speaker 5>let's do it, you know, let's go for this. And yeah,

451
00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:02.720
<v Speaker 5>but but again I think, like, you know, like what

452
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:07.720
<v Speaker 5>Nora says, become a kaleidoscope. We're seeing so many different

453
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.559
<v Speaker 5>different things that like sometimes somewhere off Joe's rolling around

454
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.599
<v Speaker 5>in his grape going, I never meant it to be

455
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:14.599
<v Speaker 5>that way, you know.

456
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure. I think I think

457
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 2>we're all kind of sure that there's a there's moments

458
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.200
<v Speaker 2>of what the heck. I mean, how many people do

459
00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.279
<v Speaker 2>you know now who say, oh, yeah, I've done pilates

460
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:28.519
<v Speaker 2>and you're kind of like and then you you know,

461
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:31.000
<v Speaker 2>they come into your studio and they show you what

462
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.680
<v Speaker 2>they do and it's like, has no bearing whatsoever to

463
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 2>anything you would recognize as pilates. And you've been exposed

464
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.680
<v Speaker 2>to a good bit of the world for a really

465
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.599
<v Speaker 2>long time, you know, it's like, Okay, well that's interesting

466
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>that that's called pilates. But let's just let's just get

467
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you moving in the right way and we're going to

468
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 2>go We're going to go over here and do this.

469
00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 2>So you're talking about about Bruce King, which I think

470
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 2>is great, and then I know Ramana was another stream

471
00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>right through a stream for you. What was that? What

472
00:24:59.079 --> 00:24:59.920
<v Speaker 2>was that about?

473
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:00.359
<v Speaker 5>Like?

474
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 2>How do things change when you were started working with her?

475
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 4>What was that?

476
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.160
<v Speaker 2>That difference in teaching.

477
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Romana was truly understood the spirit of Joe.

478
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you like explain that?

479
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:17.079
<v Speaker 5>I think like like she would give quotes that Joe

480
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 5>used to say, and she would talk about Uncle Joe,

481
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 5>you know a lot, and so tell stories about Joe.

482
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 5>And in some of the moments, you know, I can

483
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.519
<v Speaker 5>remember her saying, you know, Joe wanted it done this way,

484
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 5>you know, whereas Bruce, you know, said I learned this

485
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.440
<v Speaker 5>from Joe. But I you know, I want to break

486
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.839
<v Speaker 5>this down for you so that you really understand this.

487
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:49.119
<v Speaker 5>So I think it was two different types of teachers,

488
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, happening here.

489
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.960
<v Speaker 4>And you know Romana. You know, at the time that

490
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 4>I studied.

491
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.640
<v Speaker 5>From Romana, you know, it was a Drago's it was

492
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 5>a very is he plays. Platus is now starting to

493
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 5>get you know, a little bit more known, you know,

494
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 5>and a lot of people are coming in to Dragos

495
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 5>to find out about this method, to learn it with

496
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 5>their own bodies. So Romana, you know, was teaching the

497
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.640
<v Speaker 5>Dragos and platus Is is now really getting really really popular,

498
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people are coming in. So I think

499
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 5>Romana was very very worried, you know, that there was

500
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.640
<v Speaker 5>going to be injuries. So it was a different a

501
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 5>different type of instruction going on, you know, and she

502
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 5>had her daughter helping out and things like that. So, yes, exactly,

503
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.680
<v Speaker 5>so it was it was quite different. Bruce was really.

504
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.279
<v Speaker 4>One on one Romana. You know.

505
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.680
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes I was in the class, you know, but she was.

506
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.359
<v Speaker 5>She was really a lovely person. I really learned a

507
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 5>lot from Romana and I'm you know, I'm very very

508
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 5>very you know.

509
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.880
<v Speaker 4>Happy that I got that experience in my life. So, yeah,

510
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 4>and you'll start teaching what I started. I started teaching

511
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen eighty five. I opened up my first studio.

512
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 5>Okay, yeah, and uh, Romana used to say, I remember

513
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 5>her saying this, you know, if you become a teacher

514
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.400
<v Speaker 5>and if you injure somebody, I'll hear about it and

515
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 5>I'll come and visit you. And I was like always like,

516
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 5>I can't enter anybody. I don't want Romana coming up

517
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 5>to my door. I was a little bit, you know,

518
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 5>I was a little.

519
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 4>Afraid of Romana at times.

520
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 2>You know.

521
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, so you could be tough. So yeah,

522
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 4>so yeah.

523
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 2>So what inspired you to start teaching?

524
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 5>I was like, either going to stay in the dance

525
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 5>world and become you know, full time ballet masterwork and

526
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:58.480
<v Speaker 5>as you know, it's not the most glorious job. Dancers

527
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.960
<v Speaker 5>will blame their everything on the ballet master.

528
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 4>I tried to, you know, it was not what I wanted.

529
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 4>I thought they were all my friends.

530
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, until you had to tell her what to do, right,

531
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 2>and then yeah.

532
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 4>The table turned and they were like not nice to me.

533
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, yeah, I don't think I want

534
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 4>to do this. You know, I have all this training

535
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:25.119
<v Speaker 4>and plots.

536
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 5>I was teaching a little bit on this side, so

537
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:31.000
<v Speaker 5>I went full blown into plots. Dennis now Hot from

538
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 5>the Cleveland Ballet gives me a call and says, hey,

539
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, bring bring it down here. You know you

540
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.359
<v Speaker 5>can do you can teach, you know in the school,

541
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 5>you know, and things like that, and he goes, bring

542
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 5>that stuff you do with springs, we don't have it

543
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.079
<v Speaker 5>in Cliven, Ohio again.

544
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 4>So that's how I arrived here.

545
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 5>So I was like, you know, one of those first

546
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 5>studios in the Midwest nineteen eighty five and.

547
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, seriously in their first studios anywhere.

548
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:03.200
<v Speaker 5>Actually yeah, you know you know, uh, Vogue magazine did

549
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 5>an article about the top ten studios.

550
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I had made that that article, and boom

551
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 4>if Susan made that article. That next Friday came.

552
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 5>The lawsuit letter from a person I don't want.

553
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to say the person's name. Came the

554
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:22.279
<v Speaker 4>lawsuit letter.

555
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 5>And I was so in sense that I got this

556
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 5>letter that I wrote on the letter, no effing way,

557
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 5>And I said that registered.

558
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.279
<v Speaker 4>Mail to him.

559
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

560
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 5>Not my smartest move in my life, because it put

561
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 5>me on the radar.

562
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd be put in the firing line right exactly.

563
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, he was kind. I used to get it.

564
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 5>I used to get a letter every Friday morning, registered mail.

565
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 5>I got seven of them.

566
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's no fun. No, it was.

567
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:59.319
<v Speaker 5>It was time to because you know, you're teaching this

568
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 5>new method. Everybody's there's a buzz about it. Everybody wants

569
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 5>to get into it. Madonna's doing it, She's spreading the word.

570
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 5>You know. I would get phone calls I want to

571
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 5>do this exercise that Madonna does. I hear you have it,

572
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 5>you know, and then all of a sudden, you know,

573
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 5>you have this letter saying you know you can't use

574
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 5>that word. If you use that word, we will take

575
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 5>you on, you know, in court. And then to use

576
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 5>that word, you've got to retrain, you've got to pay us,

577
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:29.680
<v Speaker 5>and blah blah.

578
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 4>It was like it was. It was a bad situation.

579
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 4>It was our dark period of the plates world so well.

580
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>And it had to be because I mean, every every

581
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 2>studio that I know, with very few exceptions, had had

582
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>no There was no deep pocket there, right. I mean,

583
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>we're all out there being pioneers in a field that

584
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>nobody knew about, nobody cared about. There was not a

585
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of financial reward, and we're trying to make it happen.

586
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was at Saint Francis, so we had

587
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a legal background behind us. But

588
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 2>most of the students, like yours or Debra Lessons or

589
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>you know the ones in LA you got nothing and

590
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 2>suddenly somebody's threatening you with a lawsuit which could cost

591
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.759
<v Speaker 2>you who knows, I'm told amounts of money that you

592
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>don't have, right.

593
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, litigation is expensive, so you know, and and I

594
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 7>was very worried about that, and I was trying to

595
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 7>figure out ways to get around.

596
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:30.240
<v Speaker 5>This situation, and I was upset. I was like, yeez,

597
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 5>you know, this guy's really after me. And and now,

598
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.559
<v Speaker 5>in hindsight, I'm like whatever. You know, it made me

599
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 5>more of a teacher because it made me teach stronger,

600
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 5>because it's just like, listen, if I can't use the

601
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 5>word plot east and then I'm going to have to

602
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 5>really develop my teaching more and we're gonna have to

603
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, say tru McCarty or whatever, you.

604
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Know, right right.

605
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing I was just thinking, is how shortsighted

606
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>someone can be to want to get these few studios

607
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>out there there to pay them money instead of let's

608
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>grow this brand, to really establish something so much bigger

609
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>than New York City, so much bigger than just the

610
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 1>United States. And now, I mean we've all been all

611
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>around the world. It is gigantic. And just think how

612
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 1>short sighted that was way back then, to oh, I

613
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:23.759
<v Speaker 1>want to be paid just so you can use the name.

614
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 1>That's that seems ridiculous. To me.

615
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I found a lot of that.

616
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.119
<v Speaker 5>It was a little bit on the ego driven side,

617
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 5>and it was it was hard that, you know, to

618
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 5>see you know, I can understand why roman I wanted

619
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 5>to get involved because she was probably tired of working

620
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 5>on an hourly wage, you know, at the studios, and

621
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 5>she wanted to try to make some passive income.

622
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 4>I get it.

623
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 5>You know, passive income is a wonderful thing for all

624
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 5>of us, you know, but it was just the way

625
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 5>it was, and then, you know, it was it was

626
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 5>really hard, and it was a scary time, you know,

627
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:07.279
<v Speaker 5>for all of us.

628
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and it was a moment when honestly, the

629
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>method could have died, you know it really there was.

630
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean I remember at the first meeting of the

631
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>whatever it's called Plotti's Institute in Santa Fe, there was

632
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred and fifty of us basically. That was

633
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty much it. Most the people that were involved in

634
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>any serious way in the industry. That was it. So,

635
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that was right before the lawsuit, and

636
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<v Speaker 2>the lawsuit could have could have killed it. Yeah, it

637
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<v Speaker 2>could have. It could have been like that was the

638
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<v Speaker 2>end of that and smash, the whole thing was gone

639
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<v Speaker 2>because based on the future from there, Ramana and the

640
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 2>classical people were not capable of really bringing it out

641
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<v Speaker 2>in a way that would make it what it is today.

642
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, the classical world was so insular and so

643
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<v Speaker 2>specific and so kind of whatever they want that that

644
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<v Speaker 2>I think if it had been everybody else had left

645
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<v Speaker 2>and they were the only ones left in the promoting

646
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<v Speaker 2>the method, I don't know where it would have gone.

647
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it would have been able to grow

648
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<v Speaker 2>like it did.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's the thought exactly right now, and that God,

650
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 5>you know things turned the way it did, and that

651
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, we can all teach this wonderful method that

652
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.719
<v Speaker 5>this man left for us to teach, you know, and daily,

653
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 5>like every time I'm teaching, you know, I think I

654
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 5>learned something more about it, you know, a deep you know,

655
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 5>deep dive in the jackknife or deep dive into you know, you.

656
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 4>Know, short box.

657
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<v Speaker 5>And it's like, oh yeah, why didn't I think of

658
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<v Speaker 5>that twenty years ago? And I think as teachers we

659
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<v Speaker 5>mature a lot. I definitely have a different style than

660
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.079
<v Speaker 5>when I first started, you know, and I'm very selective about,

661
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, my cues that I give somebody.

662
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 4>When when I first started, it was thousand Q sessions. Man,

663
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I was throwing those babies out there the scene. What

664
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<v Speaker 4>would stick?

665
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 2>You know?

666
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.760
<v Speaker 8>And I can't remember this one lady goes Troy.

667
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<v Speaker 5>I loved your class. All thirty thousand ques really worked

668
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<v Speaker 5>for me. She's like the exhausted. I'm hoarse because I've

669
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 5>done nothing like you know, so, you know, nerves and

670
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.159
<v Speaker 5>anxiety of you know, like you know, when we're one

671
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 5>more young to how are you Norah?

672
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 4>When you first started.

673
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<v Speaker 2>Teaching, you know, I was just thinking about that. It's

674
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 2>a shotgun approach because you don't really know what's gonna work.

675
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 2>You just keep throwing stuff out there, hoping, like like

676
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 2>throwing spaghettian in the wall, what's gonna stick? Yeah?

677
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 5>Right.

678
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because I remember I studied a lot

679
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 2>early on with Alan Herdman. He was a real influence

680
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.679
<v Speaker 2>at Saint Francis and and then I went into this

681
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>whole you know, very kind of scientific phase and.

682
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:57.480
<v Speaker 8>Anatimi and blah blah blah.

683
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And then I came back to take a class with

684
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 2>with Alan at a at a p m A and man,

685
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 2>the efficiency, the clarity. He didn't say a lot, but

686
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.559
<v Speaker 2>everything he said landed tall and said everything it needed

687
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 2>to say. And it was like and and and that's

688
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of that's that was actually my I didn't realize

689
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 2>that he was my model when I first was teaching,

690
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, worching out, we're learning under him. I didn't

691
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 2>realize how much of that had absorbed until I saw

692
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>that and went, oh, that's what I've been aspiring to

693
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<v Speaker 2>all this time. Yeah, you know, and with the like

694
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<v Speaker 2>of all the fanciness and just say the.

695
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 5>Thing and with the British accident, it just sounds so

696
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 5>much more, so much better.

697
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just so much more meaningful.

698
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's just like, you know, like I'm turned on

699
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Speaker 5>Masterpiece Theater and I'm gonna really really watch this to

700
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 5>understand this. How do you feel how do you feel

701
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 5>your your teaching is evolved through the years.

702
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 1>I was one, so yeah, so yeah, this is interesting

703
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 1>because my my way is more just pure movement. So

704
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<v Speaker 1>I do it through whatever tool is in front of me.

705
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not traditionally pilates based. I do a lot

706
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>more fitness, but I bring in pieces from everywhere because

707
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's whatever tool is going to work for

708
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the client in front of me for what I need

709
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to get them to do. And my queueing has become

710
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 1>very specific and very focused over the years. I think

711
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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, like you said, I think I was

712
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>much more tactile at the beginning that I would just

713
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>put people in the right position, that it'd be like,

714
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>just do this and just sort of move them because

715
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 1>if you can feel it, you can do it sort

716
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>of thing. And as I've gotten a little older, I

717
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>think I've understood, Okay, you need to make sure that

718
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the verbalization is there, the tactile Q is there. Everything

719
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 1>is there to get the client to do whatever they need.

720
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Because we all learn differently, So whichever client is in

721
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>front of me, I want to make sure, Okay, are

722
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>they kinesthetic, are they auditory? However they're learning, do they

723
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 1>have to watch me first? Whatever it is, I can

724
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, Q in on that person and say, okay,

725
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>they need this. I had a client today who needed

726
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 1>to see me do an exercise I could I realized

727
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.800
<v Speaker 1>at that moment, okay, she's so visual, so I immediately

728
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>jumped down showed.

729
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 4>It to her.

730
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, she did it perfectly, but I was trying

731
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to get her to do it auditorially and it was not.

732
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 1>It was not working. So it's like, oh okay, boom here,

733
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 1>look you got it, and she was able to do it.

734
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.519
<v Speaker 1>So I think I've learned more about that as I've

735
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>gotten older and my evolution. I haven't been in the

736
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.119
<v Speaker 1>industry quite as long as you have, but not that

737
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 1>far off. I think Nora and I started around the

738
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>same time, in the very early nineties. So yeah, and

739
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the older I get, the more, like you said,

740
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>we're focusing on different things. We're learning every day. We're

741
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>always re relearning things and thinking why didn't I learn

742
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 1>that before? Why didn't I think of that?

743
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've been doing the.

744
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Same thing though for how long? And I didn't think

745
00:38:58.159 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of it like that.

746
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 5>So I think as we mature with our teaching, we

747
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 5>begin to look at the body in front of us,

748
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.480
<v Speaker 5>and we're starting to think more about their nervous system,

749
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 5>their emotions, absolutely, what background do they come from, what's

750
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 5>going on in life that might be affecting this. Okay,

751
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 5>at the age when I started, I didn't.

752
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 4>Think of any of those things. It was like, how

753
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 4>much fads? What's the movement?

754
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>You know?

755
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.079
<v Speaker 5>You got to sit down on that reformer, right, you know,

756
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 5>it was like, you know, there was nothing.

757
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.119
<v Speaker 4>It was just like you pump your arms and your breathe.

758
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 4>What's so hard about this?

759
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 2>You know?

760
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.400
<v Speaker 5>And then yeah, and then you know, as I started

761
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 5>maturing and getting older and more secure with my own teaching,

762
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 5>it's like, you know, there's a whole nervous system.

763
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Thing going on with this methodad.

764
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.400
<v Speaker 5>You know, there's some emotional content going on, and you know,

765
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 5>and that's why, like, you know, like working as an educator,

766
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 5>I tell these young teachers, you know, you really got

767
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 5>to discover the body that's in front of you.

768
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 4>You've got to.

769
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.400
<v Speaker 5>You've got to really look and look past the movement,

770
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 5>look inside that body, look inside that mind, and it's

771
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 5>going to give you a lot of answers.

772
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, exactly.

773
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of the things I uh thinking about that evolution.

774
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 2>There's there's certainly seeing the person, the whole person behind

775
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the movement and recognizing, you know, learning to adjust your

776
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 2>teaching style as Brian was talking about, to that body

777
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>in front of you, just so that they can hear you,

778
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you say the same thing to three

779
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 2>different people and one hears you and the other two

780
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 2>are like, what are you talking about? So there's that piece,

781
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 2>But there's also in terms of I've spent so much

782
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I've spent so much time doing rehab, so mostly I've

783
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>been problem solving, like for most of my career and

784
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>then teaching teachers, but problem solving has really been part

785
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>of it, and so much of that. I want to

786
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 2>tie this back to what you said earlier, which is

787
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.079
<v Speaker 2>how exercises just keep opening up, right, Like you think

788
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you got this, you've done it, You've taught this twenty

789
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>seven thousand times, and then one day you're teaching it

790
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and going, ah, there's a whole other piece of this.

791
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Like this is gonna sound This may sound stupid to

792
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.559
<v Speaker 2>many of you, but I remember with short spine. Okay,

793
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.400
<v Speaker 2>short spine is a basic plates exercise, right, And for

794
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the longest time I was really focused on the front

795
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>of the body. Yeah, right, this should all be done

796
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 2>from the front of the body because Plates a sort

797
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of focused that way in a lot of ways. And

798
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh no, this is a back body exercise.

799
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Like if you can't lift up yourself up from the

800
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 2>back and get that length of the whole back body,

801
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you can't actually hold that position up at the top

802
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 2>and then you'll go through the whole thing. And that

803
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 2>was a moment many years ago, but that was a

804
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 2>moment of like, oh, all the things I wasn't getting

805
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 2>or hadn't gotten yet, you know, until i'd really explored

806
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it and taught it a whole bunch.

807
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think some of it too, with what

808
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 4>we're seeing now, is that a lot of.

809
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:02.159
<v Speaker 5>These new teachers really do not know the so these exercises.

810
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 5>They're young, they don't know what they're after yet. And

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00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 5>I think it's educators, it's it's up to us so

812
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 5>we preserve this method because you know, lately, I've.

813
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.039
<v Speaker 4>Been feeling for count losing control.

814
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 5>Here method, and I think it's up to us as

815
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.880
<v Speaker 5>educators to really drive you know that that into their

816
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 5>heads and into their bodies. So this carries on and

817
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.239
<v Speaker 5>we can keep you know, some resemblance to you know,

818
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.760
<v Speaker 5>the original method. And I think, you know, Joe really

819
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 5>wanted us all to experience.

820
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago. I just wanted to touch

821
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 1>on that. Yeah, a few weeks ago we talked, uh,

822
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Nora and I talked about influences versus educators, and I

823
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of want to get your opinion on this because

824
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>as we've gotten further along in the evolution of pilates

825
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.599
<v Speaker 1>and the evolution of movement and fitness and everything else,

826
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that this sort of comes into what I'm finding is

827
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the younger trainers, the younger pilates instructors, the younger movement

828
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>professionals are trying to do too much too soon. They're

829
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 1>trying to be the top of the food you know,

830
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the top of the food chain within their first year

831
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>before they know anything. Because they see other young people

832
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>that look like them and sound like them on all

833
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the social media things, they automatically assume that they should

834
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 1>be the same way and that they should have all

835
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>of this information. Whereas the three of us together have

836
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>nearly one hundred years of movement background. That's a lot

837
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 1>of experience that we've got under our belts. So we

838
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.719
<v Speaker 1>can say things that we know to be true because

839
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 1>we've seen it, done it, been there, you know, got

840
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the T shirt, you know, years ago. And so I

841
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get your opinion on that on when you're

842
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>training those younger educators or these younger plates instructors, how

843
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to keep them I hate to use a phrase, but

844
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>how to humble them without humbling them, you know what

845
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean? How to let them know that they still

846
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 1>have a lot to learn and that this is a

847
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>progression and an evolution within themselves. Not just within the industry.

848
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 5>I when I teach, I try to create dialogue. So

849
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 5>it's just not me giving them, you know, lecture lecture,

850
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 5>lecture lecture. I try to create communication with them and

851
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 5>I try to get up in their heads with them.

852
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.320
<v Speaker 5>And you know, these are young people that they're so

853
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 5>used to instant gratification because they you know, if they

854
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.039
<v Speaker 5>don't get to go to the next one, oh, that stiffies.

855
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah exactly.

856
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.280
<v Speaker 5>So I kind of like, you know, bring that into

857
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.960
<v Speaker 5>play and say, like, you know, you're not scrolling, You're

858
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 5>working with movement. You're working with a person or a

859
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 5>human body, a human being, and it can't come overnight.

860
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.039
<v Speaker 5>Teaching is going to evolve as you're going to see

861
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 5>this body involved in front of you, and what works

862
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.239
<v Speaker 5>now may may not work in a couple of years

863
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 5>because that body will change a little bit as you

864
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 5>are going to change because you have now more experience.

865
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 4>They all want to, like, you know, become these big.

866
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 5>Name teachers and travel the world. Well, it took me

867
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.440
<v Speaker 5>years to get my you know name. I don't know

868
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 5>if I'm a big name out there, but it took

869
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 5>me years to get where I'm at and to get

870
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 5>invited to teach at these places, and I just feel

871
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.719
<v Speaker 5>like with our younger generation, they want right now, and

872
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:41.000
<v Speaker 5>that's you know, that's the the you know, the mindset

873
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 5>they're in, you know.

874
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 4>And I think a lot comes from our social media.

875
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 5>I mean, like like your your your last you know episode,

876
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 5>you talk about influencer.

877
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:54.360
<v Speaker 4>Do they really do plotis? I don't know.

878
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 5>Maybe they really not how to work Instagram and they

879
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 5>really know how to believe algorithm to benefit them and

880
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 5>that I'll give to them.

881
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 4>And I've learned a lot from watching those people.

882
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 5>And I've had some you know, consultations where I've like,

883
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, hired somebody, all right, tell me how to.

884
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 4>Do this, you know, because you know, Instagram is a.

885
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 5>Very powerful application for PLOTUS teachers. We put ourselves out there,

886
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, and I get a lot of imitations from

887
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, across the globe to come and guests each

888
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 5>because they saw me Instagram.

889
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.239
<v Speaker 4>So you know, I play that out.

890
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 5>But we're finding too that people is like, why do

891
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.679
<v Speaker 5>I want to pay you all this money to get

892
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.559
<v Speaker 5>trained when I can go on Instagram and oh look

893
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 5>somebody's doing the hundreds.

894
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 4>I'll just mimic that, you know, I was.

895
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 1>I was literally just talking to an educator and a

896
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>couple of hours ago about this very thing that she

897
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>went to a PLATES conference and one of the people

898
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>who was teaching was one of these influencers out of

899
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 1>I think Los Angeles or something, and spent the entire

900
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.039
<v Speaker 1>session teaching things like how to put on the springs

901
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>properly and how to adjust the spring tension. It wasn't

902
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>teaching anything beyond the most basic information. And this educator said,

903
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't really think that they knew very much about PLATES,

904
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>but they had a huge following and that's all that mattered,

905
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and that's all that got them invited to teach in

906
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the first place. And I think we're seeing a lot

907
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.119
<v Speaker 1>of that where these people don't have very much to say.

908
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>They don't have a voice, but they're really good in

909
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 1>thirty second clips. But put them in a hour of course,

910
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that's a little different. What do they have to say.

911
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they don't have the attention span first of all,

912
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.599
<v Speaker 5>is what I'm firing now, And it's very hard, you know,

913
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 5>like I'm trying to.

914
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 4>Hit those sixteen hours in some of these courses, and

915
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:55.519
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you about.

916
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 5>That fourteenth me included I'm like, okay, guys, you know,

917
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.440
<v Speaker 5>let's repeat this exercise.

918
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 4>One more time.

919
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>You know.

920
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 5>So the attention span, you know, social media has roomed

921
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 5>that for us, you know, because we just instantly can

922
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 5>change our attention to something new and fleshy and shiny.

923
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.559
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, exactly. And teaching, you know, around the world,

924
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 5>like you know, I get to do, which is you know,

925
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 5>quite an honor. You know, it's a problem we're seeing

926
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.039
<v Speaker 5>all over the place, everywhere, everywhere. I was just every

927
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 5>Mexico city teaching a couple of weeks ago, and there

928
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 5>were some influencers.

929
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 4>Now I will give them this. They could move and

930
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 4>they understood it, but they were so incredible with their phones,

931
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, and you know, getting it right on Instagram

932
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 4>and boomed. It was like I was amazed with it.

933
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 4>I was like, you know, teach me. Yeah, so yeah,

934
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 4>very very interesting.

935
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 5>Do you I kind of feel like, you know, do

936
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 5>you think Instagram is going to be the the downfall

937
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 5>plates or do you think it's gonna be.

938
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean, take this for what it is,

939
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like Pilates has an incredible amount of value.

940
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I do.

941
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's one of the best, most complete foundational

942
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 2>movement systems on the planet. And I think I think

943
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 2>if you really, if you do pilates for a period

944
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 2>of time, your body will be in better shape, Like

945
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>you'll be able to do more things with more resilience

946
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and less injuries than if you didn't do pilates. Like

947
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 2>that's just been my experience for you know, thirty plus years.

948
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 2>So I think I think that will stay. And I think,

949
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 2>like with any of these bubbles, because this is a bubble, right,

950
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 2>everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. And I mean I think

951
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you know too, from teaching educators or teaching teachers like

952
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 2>I've taught for years, there's there's about I call it

953
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the five percent. There's about five percent of any class

954
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>of any group of teachers that I ever work with

955
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that are going to take this on as a profession.

956
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna to be serious about it. They're going to

957
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>do the work, they're going to learn the stuff, and

958
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>they're going to move forward, and they'll be doing this

959
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.199
<v Speaker 2>for twenty years, roughly ninety five percent. And I could

960
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>be I don't think I'm actually too generous with that.

961
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Are are like, oh, this is cool, I'm going to

962
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.639
<v Speaker 2>do this for a little while, they pop in, they

963
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 2>teach for a couple of years at club, pilates or

964
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>wherever else, or at a studio it's too hard, it

965
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make enough money. Then they you know, they go

966
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 2>off and get married or have a kid, and they

967
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.159
<v Speaker 2>move on to the next phase of their life. I

968
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>think a good chunk of the bubble right now is

969
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.400
<v Speaker 2>going to end up being part timers, hobbyists. You know,

970
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.599
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll get whatever they get out of it, which

971
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 2>may be great, and then then move into whatever the

972
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 2>next thing is. That's always been true. I mean when

973
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:42.199
<v Speaker 2>when I look at the numbers from Bounce Body and

974
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>how many students start with Mount one and Reformer one

975
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 2>and then go on to be comprehensive, Like, there's always

976
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.960
<v Speaker 2>a small percentage that goes on. I mean it may

977
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.039
<v Speaker 2>be twenty five thirty percent, but there's a big chunk

978
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.239
<v Speaker 2>that go, oh, this is great, I want to be

979
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>a PLOTA teacher. And then they try it for a

980
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.840
<v Speaker 2>while and go this is too hard. Yeah, yeah, because

981
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 2>it kind out yeah what it actually is.

982
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I think they don't get that fame. I

983
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.320
<v Speaker 1>think that's the other thing is I think they're looking

984
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.159
<v Speaker 1>for that gratification that comes not only from you know,

985
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 1>being famous in all of this, but having that Instagram fame,

986
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of being recognized and all of this without realizing that

987
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Pilate's movement fitness is a very small bubble in this world.

988
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It's very nobody really cares. Let's be honest.

989
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think any of us have walked through

990
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.159
<v Speaker 1>an airport and have had people screaming our names and

991
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.679
<v Speaker 1>chasing us for autographs. I don't think that's happened. So

992
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that in general, if that's what they're looking

993
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.400
<v Speaker 1>for and they're looking for Pilates to do that for them,

994
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I think they're sadly mistaken. And I think that there

995
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 1>will be a few that can make their name, you know,

996
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 1>by being but it's more being an Instagram star or

997
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 1>being a social media star than it is being a

998
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Pilates teaching star. And I think that's the difference.

999
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, They're looking for fame, that's yeah, looking for fame.

1000
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And this is a funny. Is a friend of the

1001
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 2>world to be famous in I mean, try you. You

1002
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 2>are probably the two more of the better known people

1003
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 2>in this world at the moment, just because we've been

1004
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 2>around a lot in a long time and a lot

1005
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.840
<v Speaker 2>of places. But it's still like this is not this

1006
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 2>is whatever whatever they're hoping for.

1007
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 4>This isn't it Just I think it's glamorous. You know,

1008
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm taking off the Florence and I know with I

1009
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.480
<v Speaker 4>love her Joel. I was just on the before. And

1010
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 4>what they don't understand is like, you know, first thing,

1011
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:38.559
<v Speaker 4>we fly all night.

1012
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 5>Exactly l exhausted, and we put that plotter's hat on

1013
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 5>and we stand up.

1014
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's just like you know, and you know,

1015
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.159
<v Speaker 4>because my clients kind of feel like I take a

1016
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 4>lot of vacasions because I and I'm like, no, this

1017
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:00.800
<v Speaker 4>is it's not a vacation.

1018
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 5>I'm traveling to another studio and it's just centry right,

1019
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 5>different students that don't speak our language. And I've got

1020
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 5>a translator now to deal with. And we all know

1021
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 5>when we teach, you know, internationally, a translator can make

1022
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 5>our break. You you know, I have translator nightmare anxiety before,

1023
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 5>as you should.

1024
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had one in Russia. Was is not we

1025
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 4>were not.

1026
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:35.400
<v Speaker 5>We were like that the whole time, you know. So yeah,

1027
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:37.960
<v Speaker 5>and so it's not as glamorous as what they think.

1028
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 5>But then on the other hand, you know, we get

1029
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 5>to make friends all over the world, you know, which

1030
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 5>is you know, the beauty of you know, of our work.

1031
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 4>We we get to travel and we get to make.

1032
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 5>New connections, and you know, see what I didn't feel that,

1033
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, that pulse of the community globally, and I

1034
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.000
<v Speaker 5>think that's like an incredible thing.

1035
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1036
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to roll back just a little bit because

1037
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that you asked, and I just

1038
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 2>wanted to bring this up. You know, when I see

1039
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff on Instagram, you know, some of

1040
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.559
<v Speaker 2>it is again some of it is fantastic, some of

1041
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 2>it is really nice, I think, additions to the repertoire,

1042
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 2>because the Repipoi does have, in my opinions, some limitations

1043
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>in terms of functional movement skills and things like that.

1044
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:26.039
<v Speaker 2>But the other thing, too is most of my clients,

1045
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and I think most of the clients that I've ever

1046
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.719
<v Speaker 2>met in any ploty studio don't need that yet. They

1047
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.480
<v Speaker 2>need to like get their footwork going and maybe some

1048
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>feed and straps and maybe some core work and maybe

1049
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 2>some armwork because they're not there yet. You know, Like

1050
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 2>I look at these things, I think that's great, you know,

1051
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 2>that's fantastic that they can do. That looks beautiful whatever,

1052
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 2>But I'm thinking the clients that I know need to

1053
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 2>basically get their hips and their knees and their ankles

1054
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.840
<v Speaker 2>working together. And if they can do that, that will

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<v Speaker 2>make a difference in their lives. It's not glamorous like

1056
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 2>that is not glamorous. Full work is not like that

1057
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 2>exciting to watch. That makes such a huge difference in

1058
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 2>really changing people's lives. And that's always the thing too.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say this a lot to teachers because young

1060
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<v Speaker 2>teachers always think they need more. I need more exercises,

1061
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I need more things, I need more stuff. I was like, no,

1062
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.159
<v Speaker 2>actually you don't. You just need to teach the exercises

1063
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you have better, right, I see that all the time.

1064
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.039
<v Speaker 2>You just need to really dive in there, really get

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00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 2>that person precise. And I can make anybody have a

1066
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.840
<v Speaker 2>hard workout, doing a most basic workout by making them

1067
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 2>do it right right. It's not about what they're doing,

1068
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like if they're really doing it right and concentrating,

1069
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I can make anybody sweat. I can make anybody feel

1070
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 2>like they've just killed themselves and they're not doing anything fancy.

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00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:40.360
<v Speaker 2>They're just doing it well.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, well, I think we're seeing so much of

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<v Speaker 5>you know, these other studios where the music gets pumping

1074
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.280
<v Speaker 5>and there's lights now that yeah, I know, and like

1075
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's it's a super high buzz they get

1076
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 5>from the class. Yes, and then they come to people

1077
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.639
<v Speaker 5>like us and we go, okay, shut up and lay

1078
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:01.280
<v Speaker 5>down exactly.

1079
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<v Speaker 4>Attention, Yeah, like you have to pay attention. Yeah, that's

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00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 4>my other that's my other beat, the attention. It skills

1081
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.760
<v Speaker 4>and both students and clients.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, as I get older, my my my filters

1083
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:20.039
<v Speaker 5>are starting to diminish, and I have to really let

1084
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.360
<v Speaker 5>some people have about.

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00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Not you know, put your phone down, listen to what.

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00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you, you know, and you know, don't ask

1087
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.960
<v Speaker 5>me stupid questions like how many springs After I've said

1088
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.920
<v Speaker 5>three times, how many springs disposed?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, that's where your head is right now, you know.

1090
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I try to, like I really try to

1091
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 5>instill that into you know, the teacher training, to really

1092
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 5>really get them excited about what they're going to teach

1093
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 5>and how to get better at teaching.

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00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 4>It's like movement literacy. You're going to be a very

1095
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:05.519
<v Speaker 4>very you know, movement specialists and and you know, and

1096
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 4>it's hard. It's been hard.

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00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.639
<v Speaker 5>I've seen, you know, I've seen what I thought they

1098
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 5>were going to stick with it, and they drop out

1099
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 5>because they lose their yeah, their gusto and getting the

1100
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 5>whole you know, comprehensive certification under their belt.

1101
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.880
<v Speaker 4>So and I don't know if that's going to get

1102
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.360
<v Speaker 4>better or it's going to get worse.

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00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:28.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to get worse because again it's

1104
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 2>just this is hard work. I mean, you know, not

1105
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 2>to put to find a point on it, but if

1106
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 2>you're really want to comprehensively trained, it's just it's a

1107
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of work. It's a lot of time, it's a

1108
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of attention, it's a lot of practice sessions with clients.

1109
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 2>And if you're not interested or this kind of work

1110
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.000
<v Speaker 2>isn't interesting to you and doesn't feed you in some way,

1111
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.599
<v Speaker 2>why would you go through that much trouble? I mean,

1112
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>go and become you know, a finance guy or a

1113
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 2>wealth manager or something else. It's probably less work in

1114
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of ways, and certainly more reward. So I

1115
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.840
<v Speaker 2>think I think what I do, I do think and optimistically,

1116
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to be left with those that

1117
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.920
<v Speaker 2>are really interested. Those are the ones that are going

1118
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to continue on and keep this going because there's there's

1119
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 2>enough of them, you know, you know many of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I know many of them that are just like they're

1121
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 2>committed and they will keep carrying this, this pilateus world

1122
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.599
<v Speaker 2>forward on their shoulders for you know, until they move

1123
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<v Speaker 2>it on to the next person and those people coming

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00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.199
<v Speaker 2>up exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, that's my home. I hope so too. You know,

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00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:30.519
<v Speaker 4>it's it's been.

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00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 5>It's definitely a challenge, but it's a challenge that I'm

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<v Speaker 5>really you know, I'm willing to take on to really

1129
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:41.239
<v Speaker 5>help preserve you know, that we have something to teach

1130
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 5>and that it hasn't changed too much. And you know

1131
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.079
<v Speaker 5>that's the other thing, like, you know, like I try

1132
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 5>to stick, you know, with my classical roots a lot,

1133
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.719
<v Speaker 5>but there's just you know, sometimes that body in front

1134
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 5>of me is just not able to take some of that. Yeah,

1135
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 5>So you know, I really try to, you know, you know.

1136
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:03.199
<v Speaker 4>Honor it.

1137
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I make small changes and you know,

1138
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 5>you know who helped me the most with that was

1139
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 5>Julian Lulford.

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<v Speaker 4>Juliane and I were good buddies.

1141
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 5>I went out to you know, San Diego a lot

1142
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 5>to his studio and he can't leave that a lot.

1143
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 4>We were good friends and Juliane was amazing doing that.

1144
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 4>He really has incredible sense of that person, the movement

1145
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.760
<v Speaker 4>that he wanted. Yeah, so I have a Julian story

1146
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:38.119
<v Speaker 4>I have to tell. Yes, Julie and I stayed up

1147
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.360
<v Speaker 4>drinking way too much wine one night.

1148
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 5>You know, he's British, so he didn't. Yeah, he was like,

1149
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm British, I can drink. So we're drinking lots of wine.

1150
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.360
<v Speaker 5>We get to the studio at seven o'clock in the morning.

1151
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.360
<v Speaker 5>Juliane puts me on the reformer and he goes, okay, mate,

1152
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.599
<v Speaker 5>let's do climatory.

1153
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 8>No warm up, no nothing, me up back. So God,

1154
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.159
<v Speaker 8>I climb that tree. I walked down my I climb

1155
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:07.000
<v Speaker 8>back down my tree.

1156
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 4>I go into the well, hang out for a moment.

1157
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.000
<v Speaker 4>I bring my head up. I climbed. I threw up that.

1158
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, that's what I would have done.

1159
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, like I'm holding my leg.

1160
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:18.159
<v Speaker 4>I went.

1161
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 8>And he looked at me with these white eyes and

1162
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.159
<v Speaker 8>he goes, mate, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't believe it. You just vomited in my studio. He

1164
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:32.679
<v Speaker 4>was he was so much fun.

1165
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 2>He was so much fun on this inside the time. Yeah,

1166
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, how could you know? Did you?

1167
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 4>Did you get to know Julian? Never did, never met him.

1168
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.079
<v Speaker 4>He was He was great, great, great, great teacher.

1169
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.320
<v Speaker 5>And Julian I really like, you know, kind of felt,

1170
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 5>kind of took me out of being, you know, the

1171
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.760
<v Speaker 5>classical world and brought me a little bit more into

1172
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.280
<v Speaker 5>a contemporary world. And the things that taught me were

1173
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:06.480
<v Speaker 5>so valid and so absolutely And he had that Martha

1174
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 5>Graham technique in his body. He understood that, and he

1175
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.880
<v Speaker 5>was able to take that technique and put it into

1176
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, the method. I think that's why Ron Fletcher

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01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 5>loved him so much, because you know, Ron also Martha Graham,

1178
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.800
<v Speaker 5>and you know certainly knew because Julian was the star

1179
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 5>of the Martha Graham you know, Dan's company. Oh yeah, yeah,

1180
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, Juliane was rehearsing Britson of Cough when Martha

1181
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.360
<v Speaker 5>Graham you know, wanted you know, Brichion and Cough to do.

1182
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 4>I think it was I forget what ballet it was,

1183
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:37.920
<v Speaker 4>but one of them.

1184
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.

1185
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, wow, all right, all.

1186
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, thank you so much for a for a wonderfully

1187
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:54.000
<v Speaker 2>wide ranging conversation. Yeah, I loved it.

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01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.079
<v Speaker 1>This was awesome. Thank you so much for joining us,

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01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:02.199
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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys,