Speaker 1: Buildings behind me were the headquarters for the World War
Speaker 1: Two Office of Strategic Service. It was here that the
Speaker 1: first halting steps toward mind control began.
Speaker 2: The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he
Speaker 2: made another film. There's a film about microcode called The
Speaker 2: Clockwork Orn.
Speaker 3: The Shining is one movie that has really been put
Speaker 3: through the ringer and one thing that people really don't notice,
Speaker 3: that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie.
Speaker 3: What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode
Speaker 3: a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want
Speaker 3: anyone to know about her.
Speaker 2: Kubrick has several references to Freemasonry in his films.
Speaker 3: There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody
Speaker 3: handprint on her ass.
Speaker 2: The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all
Speaker 2: through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology.
Speaker 3: The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest
Speaker 3: horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film?
Speaker 2: The Shining also is low to a sexual innuendo.
Speaker 3: The family is isolated up at the overlook, which is
Speaker 3: a perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to
Speaker 3: go down up.
Speaker 4: There, using mk ultra methods psycheatrically control assassins, literally assassins.
Speaker 4: Experimental drugs, including LSD were administered to human guinea pigs.
Speaker 1: The patients were never told that their treatment was part
Speaker 1: of a CIA experiment.
Speaker 5: And there was this story which involves him spiking the
Speaker 5: drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olsen,
Speaker 5: and he jumped out of a window to his death.
Speaker 6: It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone
Speaker 6: feel like they don't have any control over this etherical
Speaker 6: entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are
Speaker 6: imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for
Speaker 6: the actions.
Speaker 3: The stuts.
Speaker 4: We know what happened in the apartment that they had.
Speaker 3: There are many clues that point to the fact that
Speaker 3: this theory of what the Shining is really about is
Speaker 3: the correct theory.
Speaker 2: We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts
Speaker 2: are kind of forcing a man to go off and
Speaker 2: kill his family. But what are we really watching here, Wendy.
Speaker 3: I'm home. Welcome back, guys. It's lovely to be here
Speaker 3: on this amazing day and welcome everyone, all the right
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Speaker 3: and any moderators and or channel members out there. I
Speaker 3: appreciate you guys sticking with me through the break, but
Speaker 3: it wasn't a break for me. Let me tell you.
Speaker 3: It was a nightmare in some cases, but a very
Speaker 3: enjoyable nightmare, you know. Having creating the Clockwork Shining, which
Speaker 3: I just showed you the trailer for there the documentary
Speaker 3: that's something that is this expansive, the juggles as many
Speaker 3: topics as it does and has six people in it.
Speaker 3: Any editor or a filmmaker will tell you how big
Speaker 3: of a task that is. But it is finished, and
Speaker 3: it is complete, and I'm super proud of it. It's
Speaker 3: the greatest thing that I've ever had the honor and
Speaker 3: privilege to be a part of and will hopefully blow
Speaker 3: your guys of socks off when you watch it as well.
Speaker 3: And it will be released at the end of the month,
Speaker 3: and I'll keep you guys updated when it's going to drop.
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Speaker 3: members episodes. So with that down, we have with us
Speaker 3: today returning guests philosopher, researcher, educator, spiritual teacher and visionary
Speaker 3: on Occult in Esoteric Studies. Wayne Steger, It's good to
Speaker 3: see you, my friend. How's a hand wrider?
Speaker 1: Good to see you, buddy, Get back in the saddle.
Speaker 1: Exciting and by the way, congratulations on the new documentary.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Wayne, thank you. I think you're really going
Speaker 3: to enjoy it. It's uh, I think it's right up.
Speaker 3: A lot of people's allays actually.
Speaker 1: Deals with prime right, Yes, yeah, so I usually reserve
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings for watching such films as uh in the
Speaker 1: same genre, so I'll have the wife right there as well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're gonna lie. It's got all the sixties
Speaker 3: bands in it and uh, you know, good old Cia
Speaker 3: stuff in it, So I think you're really going to
Speaker 3: enjoy it. But hey, I started drinking tea now I'm
Speaker 3: a I'm a tea man. Quit drinking coffee and energy
Speaker 3: drinks during the break during the making of this documentary,
Speaker 3: which was super rough, So I'm right there with the
Speaker 3: tea again. I don't know why I stopped drinking tea,
Speaker 3: Wayne Link. I drink tea since I was very young.
Speaker 3: I've always looked for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like the call conditioning of
Speaker 3: like coffee and all that that you got to have
Speaker 3: constantly have coffee, but I've always enjoyed tea more. I
Speaker 3: don't know why I stopped drinking. It was really weird.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a sophisticated taste acquired case coffee. And I
Speaker 1: don't drink caffeinated tea, but I eat a lot, drink
Speaker 1: a lot of spice tea of such.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we have a lot going on right now,
Speaker 3: especially on the world stage. We got the first debat
Speaker 3: tonight between the trump Master and Kamala, which I'm definitely
Speaker 3: going to be watching. But before we get into like
Speaker 3: some worldly things, I kind of wanted to get your
Speaker 3: take on because you just had a you also have
Speaker 3: a little break in there, but it was kind of
Speaker 3: for different reasons, and you had some experiences that I
Speaker 3: thought would possibly well, it's definitely good to share about
Speaker 3: for mind listeners and my viewers about what you experienced
Speaker 3: during that How long were like three weeks? Three weeks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was sucked, That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1: And I had meningitis with lyme disease at the same time.
Speaker 1: So this one, yeah, took me out of the body.
Speaker 3: As you would say, Oh, you had an out of
Speaker 3: body experience along with it.
Speaker 1: I think it, you know, different ways of looking at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, when the body starts hitting an internal temperature,
Speaker 1: you know one hundred and five, you know it's you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of you can experience houselinations, you can experience
Speaker 1: things that your body is it's so weak that the
Speaker 1: spirit has the ability to many times overcome the hindrances
Speaker 1: of spirits outside the body. And I was really sick.
Speaker 1: I was dying, and my wife as a nurse, and
Speaker 1: she was very much aware of it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I went to a place that for me, and of
Speaker 1: course it's you know, when you have these experiences, they're
Speaker 1: very personal, very personalized, is what I called the bridge.
Speaker 1: I've later since read because it was quite remarkable that
Speaker 1: this bridge was of such a multifacet color colors that
Speaker 1: I can't even describe, and come to find out, there's
Speaker 1: been others who have experienced similar type of experiences and
Speaker 1: it's known as the Rainbow Bridge.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, did you experience like peas there? Like peas
Speaker 3: and hope?
Speaker 1: Well, it's very interesting writer. Yeah, the show I on
Speaker 1: that it was meeting the specter of death. It was death,
Speaker 1: it was the spirit of death. But I wasn't afraid,
Speaker 1: and I remember it distinctly talking to me. Tall spirit
Speaker 1: really was and put its hand on my shoulder, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a piece I wasn't afraid. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: very compelling because I've been at that place before when
Speaker 1: I almost died and I couldn't see past the middle
Speaker 1: or the bridge. This time, the mist whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, had lifted, and I saw a number
Speaker 1: of people that hey, I hadn't expected to see, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very personal and very you know, lasting in
Speaker 1: the consciousness.
Speaker 3: Did you see people that were currently passed on or
Speaker 3: people that are living.
Speaker 1: No, everyone that I saw, it was only a handful
Speaker 1: of people. A couple were real surprise, were have already
Speaker 1: passed over. The person who I first noticed was my mother,
Speaker 1: and I was never close with my mother, but that
Speaker 1: way and the one that shocked me the most as
Speaker 1: I told my audience that she lived over in Norway.
Speaker 1: Her name was Carla, and Carla made the decision to
Speaker 1: leave on her terms, and she was a young woman
Speaker 1: and I was surprised to see her over there. And
Speaker 1: it really touches me emotionally because that I she said,
Speaker 1: the last picture of her moments here before she went
Speaker 1: into the facility, and there she was. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like I did not expect that. And they
Speaker 1: didn't talk, they couldn't talk to me. But it was
Speaker 1: very obvious that they could see me because I could.
Speaker 1: I saw them, and she had the most beautiful smile.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was the way that I described it
Speaker 1: as I relived the moment. It was exquisite joy, so
Speaker 1: very it was I had not expected that at all.
Speaker 1: That that really that shocked me more than anything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine, and I think it would be
Speaker 3: super wet if you got over there and then like
Speaker 3: everybody that was there was all like living. They weren't
Speaker 3: people that you knew that was already dead.
Speaker 1: The death realm anyway. So we're the dead, they're they're
Speaker 1: actually the living.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I think it's uh, that's super interesting.
Speaker 3: So you weren't able to communicate within you these pasted
Speaker 3: over love, but you were able to get like an impression.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, they saw me and I saw them,
Speaker 1: and the thing that was very interesting was they weren't concerned.
Speaker 1: You know, there was almost like high you know, death,
Speaker 1: the spirit of that, the specter of death. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's very interesting because you don't speak words, you
Speaker 1: you you hear thoughts, and it it's I can still
Speaker 1: quote it right now. I said that you know, there
Speaker 1: isn't a pointed time in which the crossing will happen,
Speaker 1: but this is not it. And you know, I came
Speaker 1: back into consciousness with my wife, you know, medically checking
Speaker 1: me out. So yeah, so did it hurt?
Speaker 3: Did it hurt coming back into your body? Because I've
Speaker 3: had where it was rough.
Speaker 1: Crushing pain is the way I would describe it in
Speaker 1: every freaking joint. Yeah, and yeah, that that just sucked.
Speaker 1: The fever was you know, the other thing, and it
Speaker 1: took me, you know, like eight nine days to finally
Speaker 1: get that where the fear was broke.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well I was talking to Trina because you know,
Speaker 3: when I was making this documentary, I couldn't pay attention
Speaker 3: to anything about what was going on, Like I was
Speaker 3: just shut off from everything. I didn't watch anything, I
Speaker 3: didn't look at anything. I hardly even scrolled through any
Speaker 3: social media or whatever. I was literally just working on
Speaker 3: it every single day all day, like hours and hours
Speaker 3: and hours at a time. And near the end of it,
Speaker 3: you know, when I'm getting close to wrapping it up,
Speaker 3: I decided to check on your channel and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's Wayne, What's Wayne been up to these days? And
Speaker 3: then I get over there, and I've seen that you
Speaker 3: hadn't posted anything in a while. And then I was
Speaker 3: when I tried to call you a couple of times
Speaker 3: and you didn't pick up. And then I texted Trina
Speaker 3: and she told me that you were, you know, healing.
Speaker 3: I tried to trying to say healing as much as possible,
Speaker 3: because sickness just keeps that revolving door of you know, sickness.
Speaker 3: So she told me what was going on, and I
Speaker 3: was like, Wayne's going to pull through. For sure. There
Speaker 3: ain't no way, No freaking virus is going to take
Speaker 3: down Wayne. Not possible.
Speaker 1: So it's very kind of you. You know, you've experienced
Speaker 1: some some you know, divided piece is what I call it,
Speaker 1: you know, because it sure ain't fun. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so intense and to have a moment like listen, it
Speaker 1: was real to me, as I told my audience, And
Speaker 1: when there were some things like our reality is really
Speaker 1: this cube, one of the things I remembered distinctly was
Speaker 1: we are inside this reality and this and there is
Speaker 1: a bridge is a bridge for all of us. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe it may not be a physical bridge like it
Speaker 1: was it is for me, and I have no doubt
Speaker 1: that when my time is ready, you know, because writer,
Speaker 1: we're all born and we're all waiting to die. Now,
Speaker 1: what you do in between is where the game really
Speaker 1: becomes real. But in essence, when the day first day
Speaker 1: we're born, we know that we're one step closer to
Speaker 1: the day that we will die. And I'm one who
Speaker 1: believes that consciousness survives what we call the physical death,
Speaker 1: and there's a transcendence that takes place in there. I
Speaker 1: don't think we ever physically die. My philosophy is that
Speaker 1: this is the death realm. You know, we are born
Speaker 1: into death. We experience death. Everything here dies. You have
Speaker 1: to eat something that was alive in one form or
Speaker 1: fashion in order to live in here. And each day
Speaker 1: our bodies die and our consciousness are not aware of
Speaker 1: that there is this place where we all sense it.
Speaker 1: We're the observer and the experiencer at the same time.
Speaker 1: But we get so used to this realm that we
Speaker 1: think that this is real. We think that this is
Speaker 1: how it really is, and we're taught that death is
Speaker 1: the ending. And unfortunately, in Western cultures, death is looked
Speaker 1: at as something bad when actually it's it's it's merely
Speaker 1: emerging back into life. Because if death is eternally longer
Speaker 1: than life, I think we've got it upside down. I
Speaker 1: think that it's it's what we call death is actually
Speaker 1: living and it has no death within it. So I
Speaker 1: will make it back to that bridge. I will see
Speaker 1: those people. I saw Brian good brother of ours milky Way,
Speaker 1: and I told Trina he was wearing that damn hat
Speaker 1: and I swear he had this shit eating grin on
Speaker 1: his face. It was like, you know, you know, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been over here for a number of years and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you got it right. So anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 3: What did this place just feel like? Because obviously when
Speaker 3: you kind of describe it, I think people that are
Speaker 3: familiar with you know, Christianity and the Bible and any
Speaker 3: kind of religious institution kind of automatically thinks of like
Speaker 3: having you know what I mean? Was this the type
Speaker 3: of impression that you got? And did it feel realer
Speaker 3: than real?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Did it feel realer than the reality that we're currently in?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's going to sound strange it this place
Speaker 1: it's a physical place because I remember looking up into
Speaker 1: the firm in it and wow, As I told Trina
Speaker 1: the first when I could actually begin to have enough
Speaker 1: strength to talk and told her that it was wow.
Speaker 1: It was just there were spears up there, huge planet
Speaker 1: like things, and it existed not over here, but when
Speaker 1: you when you looked directly on, that's where it existed.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm making sense here, but
Speaker 1: it's like when I turned old, were the first time
Speaker 1: I saw Carla, this didn't exist, but when I looked
Speaker 1: over there there it did. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a multi it's like it. It probably
Speaker 1: exists complete, but what I never saw the completeness of it.
Speaker 1: Only when I saw looked over there, I saw that
Speaker 1: specific area.
Speaker 3: So yeah, kind of like a video game. That's how
Speaker 3: a video game would tend to operate. Like your character
Speaker 3: going through a video game, and depending on where you
Speaker 3: are is where the environment.
Speaker 1: Renders and your point it's perspective. Yeah, yeah, but it's real.
Speaker 1: I happened to absolutely believe that I've been there before.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I almost passed with the meningitis,
Speaker 1: that was the first time that I had come to
Speaker 1: this bridge.
Speaker 3: What would year was in the.
Speaker 1: June nineteen ninety three thereabouts. Yeah, I was in a
Speaker 1: coma for eight days. And yeah, so that was and
Speaker 1: it was a completely different feeling this time. When I
Speaker 1: was in Knoxville. This is where I got really sick.
Speaker 1: I was afraid, you know, it was something that I
Speaker 1: didn't want to see again. And here thirty five so
Speaker 1: years later, you know, you look back and you go,
Speaker 1: it's it was different. Yeah, I certainly back to see
Speaker 1: my mom.
Speaker 3: I mean, the.
Speaker 1: Relationship I had with my mother was one that could
Speaker 1: be written in the books.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I heard that the same type of.
Speaker 1: Exactly and you gotta love them. I mean they, you know,
Speaker 1: our mothers give birth to us. But wow, mine was
Speaker 1: a trip and some sure years was anyone. And I
Speaker 1: didn't expect to see her, you know, I did not.
Speaker 1: Carla was the shocker though. Well, it just says it's
Speaker 1: something you know, I'll encourage with you writer, is that
Speaker 1: when we do shows, you know, and we we become
Speaker 1: you know, content creators in doing these, we're never aware
Speaker 1: of some of the things that we do for people.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that so often that we know
Speaker 1: that there are those who are really moved and we
Speaker 1: help in their lives. And that was the sense that
Speaker 1: I got from Carlo was, you know, it was just
Speaker 1: very different. So the things we do here do in fact,
Speaker 1: are over to that other side. I think we're specific
Speaker 1: and I'll share this with you. In this time. It
Speaker 1: was impressed upon me that many of us are spirit
Speaker 1: guides in training. In other words, when we finished this
Speaker 1: mission here many people listening to us, You're not going
Speaker 1: into the same place that many of the other souls
Speaker 1: will go into spirits, however you want to define that.
Speaker 1: I believe many of us will actually beginning to be
Speaker 1: guides for those souls, those spirits that are coming in
Speaker 1: to this realm.
Speaker 3: That would makes sense, like it kind of a graduation
Speaker 3: type thing, and you do okay here and then you
Speaker 3: go on and then you go on to help somebody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, imagine, and you know the responsibility to be
Speaker 1: a spirit guide to another spirit and that, and you know,
Speaker 1: rookies don't get into that, you know. So maybe that
Speaker 1: is my next destiny. Who knows, but there is. It
Speaker 1: doesn't stop, That's what I do know for sure. I
Speaker 1: didn't see any pain. I didn't see anything scary. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I don't think like that either. In my spirit.
Speaker 1: I don't see death as this foreboding realm. I don't.
Speaker 1: I see it as a liberation. And these bodies weigh
Speaker 1: us down and they rob us because of the density
Speaker 1: of this reality, and we become convinced that these physical
Speaker 1: bodies and that which we experience and respond to is
Speaker 1: real and it's not.
Speaker 3: You know, I just thought of when you're when you
Speaker 3: were talking about how you were there and you were
Speaker 3: looking according to your perspective and where you're looking, things
Speaker 3: would appear. Maybe that's so that your mind isn't overwhelmed
Speaker 3: in a way, it doesn't overload your mind and it
Speaker 3: just doesn't shatter into a million pieces, because if you
Speaker 3: were to see everything all at one time, it's just
Speaker 3: going to overload your brain and you're just going to
Speaker 3: go into a nothingness, into a freaking void of nothingness
Speaker 3: because your mind can't handle.
Speaker 1: It very good. I mean, it may in fact, like
Speaker 1: you said it, maybe you know that fails safe switch.
Speaker 1: You know that because I'm sure it's an experience. Everything
Speaker 1: I've read from the occult point of view about death
Speaker 1: is that it's orgasmic and that that you know, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't think that because of so many tragedies, what you
Speaker 1: see people dying but you know there's times when great
Speaker 1: pleasure can be also intense pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably, I guess orgasmic in the way that it's
Speaker 3: like a relief. That is, because this reality is super
Speaker 3: dense and we're in bodies that we're probably not technically
Speaker 3: meant to be in. So when that spirit is released
Speaker 3: from the body, it's like, you know, giant weight has
Speaker 3: just been lifted up all of your shoulders. That's how
Speaker 3: I felt in my near death experience. It was just like, finally,
Speaker 3: everything's okay.
Speaker 1: For hell, it's these bodies. Yeah, we're draft. A spirit
Speaker 1: can't just unless you're trained, and it takes a lot
Speaker 1: of training. But most people, the most they ever experience
Speaker 1: as far as an out of body experience or or
Speaker 1: something similar to that, is their dreams. Other than that,
Speaker 1: they don't really think beyond that point. And those of
Speaker 1: us who become aware of that. It's very odd about
Speaker 1: your film, and I want to get you on the channel,
Speaker 1: you and Jay if you both come out. I love it.
Speaker 1: So you were talking about the LSD experiments that were
Speaker 1: being conducted in the late sixties and early seventies, and
Speaker 1: at the time, I was living in Houston, Texas in
Speaker 1: the Montrose area. First, you know, I was living on
Speaker 1: the streets. It was fifteen, but in I hung out
Speaker 1: with I sold a lot of drugs. I sold a
Speaker 1: lot of LSD, a lot of masculine And when you're
Speaker 1: sixteen years you old and you can't go to school
Speaker 1: because you don't have a permanent address. This is the
Speaker 1: great thing about Harris County. Thank you putting me on
Speaker 1: the street at that age. But so, you know, I
Speaker 1: was very well versed with taking acid. I mean I
Speaker 1: take it almost every day. And if I was selling
Speaker 1: like clear light acid or which was typically many times
Speaker 1: depending on on the mic and the chemist who was
Speaker 1: putting it, you could have you know, like two hundred
Speaker 1: mic acid even a little stronger than that. So and
Speaker 1: it was this chick I still remember. He had beautiful,
Speaker 1: long blonde hair. Anyway, she asked me, if you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to come with her to this group where
Speaker 1: they give out free acid. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool to be.
Speaker 3: You know why.
Speaker 1: We went down and at that time in Houston, down
Speaker 1: off Memorial Drive, there was ben Toob Hospital. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of medical offices around there. We went there
Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't know, five o'clock or something. Uh,
Speaker 1: We're there several times and it was weird. It was
Speaker 1: a nondescript office and her and I went in there
Speaker 1: and I don't remember signing anything, but there were like
Speaker 1: six other people there and this this dude comes in
Speaker 1: with this other chick and you know, they begin to say,
Speaker 1: you know, thank you, and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: so what we're going to be doing today is that
Speaker 1: we're going to start concentrating and learn how to begin
Speaker 1: to meditate and begin to project your thoughts outside your body.
Speaker 1: I still remember the whole spiel. And so they came
Speaker 1: around and for us it was it was an eye
Speaker 1: dropper and we had to lift our tongue and they
Speaker 1: put it right underneath their tongue, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was very interesting the the what was taking place in
Speaker 1: the group, and it was always within a group session
Speaker 1: and individually you I don't know if they were watching us.
Speaker 1: I was. I just wanted to get laid. I wanted
Speaker 1: to have sex with this doubt. So that was my motivation.
Speaker 3: Uh did you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Eventually yeah, one got her. You know, just sixteen,
Speaker 1: What can I say? But anyway, Yeah, and who.
Speaker 3: Was running this? Do you do you remember who the
Speaker 3: name of the building or the group or the.
Speaker 1: People, the Texas Research of Mental Science. I believe that's
Speaker 1: who it was being, you know, conducted through and we
Speaker 1: went there.
Speaker 3: For the CIA front organization.
Speaker 1: This normally, well that's when I when I saw your movie,
Speaker 1: and I've seen other clips and it's always drawn me
Speaker 1: back to so what was this? I mean, what was
Speaker 1: really going on? What was the purpose? But yeah, well.
Speaker 3: That's what they would do is they would they would
Speaker 3: pay companies, subcontractors, universities, a lot of universities, see I
Speaker 3: would pay them. They would fund the experiments. So that way,
Speaker 3: it's not really a like a CIA per se program.
Speaker 3: It's a university program, whereas some other foundations program funded
Speaker 3: exactly that's what it is, Yeah, just being funded by
Speaker 3: the CIA. There's several of those types of programs like
Speaker 3: the Ames Leaf Room, which was done at a university
Speaker 3: where they would take students into this room that was
Speaker 3: just covered in leaves and put these goggles on their
Speaker 3: face and then give them LSD and then they would
Speaker 3: trip out and like go crazy and end up in
Speaker 3: the emergency room. Like a lot of weird, weird experiments
Speaker 3: like that that weren't directly you ran by the CIA,
Speaker 3: but we're funded by the CIA. And the CIA also
Speaker 3: did like they would you know, rent out entire they
Speaker 3: would create entire wings of hospitals to do experimentation on
Speaker 3: you know. One of the biggest ones is up in
Speaker 3: Canada with doctor you and Cameron. That's where a lot
Speaker 3: of the psychic driving and depatterning techniques would happen. Where
Speaker 3: they would take a you know, they would basically torture
Speaker 3: them and to erase all their memories and erase their mind,
Speaker 3: and then they would reprogram them and put new thoughts
Speaker 3: and new ideas into their head and whatever it is
Speaker 3: that they wanted them to believe. And he got a
Speaker 3: lot of that from German scientists. Where he learned how
Speaker 3: to do a lot of those techniques was from Germany,
Speaker 3: Nazi Germany. So that's really interesting that you got involved
Speaker 3: with this program because I've been meaning to ask you
Speaker 3: more about it. You've brought it up a couple of times,
Speaker 3: but for some reason, I never really follow up on
Speaker 3: or ask you any questions after and that's my fault.
Speaker 3: But how many people do you think were.
Speaker 1: I think this was like seven or eight of listen
Speaker 1: and remember that there was a couple of uh college
Speaker 1: students and then there were people like me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean when I was growing up in the Montrose area,
Speaker 1: I mean there were thousands of us teenagers. You know,
Speaker 1: it was no one really cared. And so I think
Speaker 1: as far as you know, ever something going backwards with myself,
Speaker 1: it was pretty low risk because no one was really
Speaker 1: concerned about us anyway. Maybe the other reason, like I said,
Speaker 1: only went there with because of the chick that I
Speaker 1: wanted to uh ball. But uh yeah, and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I liked LSD. I mean, I have no doubt that
Speaker 1: you know, the cops probably knew that, you know, because
Speaker 1: I sold quite a bit that there were a couple
Speaker 1: of chemists at the university that you know, we would
Speaker 1: be able to get, you know, whether it was like
Speaker 1: Orange Sunshine or you know, a number of different ones.
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed the effects of LSD and it didn't
Speaker 1: frighten me. And so getting involved in this this like
Speaker 1: five meetings that I remember, it was pretty cool. The
Speaker 1: teaching us to meditate transcendentally, to begin to project ourselves
Speaker 1: out that that was a pretty cool lesson Because I
Speaker 1: carried that with me. On other trips, I remember they
Speaker 1: would we would put these headphones on and they would
Speaker 1: uh and I don't know what the other participants were hearing,
Speaker 1: but you would hear the different octaves of notes and
Speaker 1: sounds coming through, and we were to describe, you know,
Speaker 1: what we were seeing for and I still remember that
Speaker 1: there were always the colors, you know, with with certain
Speaker 1: notes and yeah, and I've been trying to think, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's a couple of sessions I don't have any recall,
Speaker 1: which is pretty weird, but of what happened or what
Speaker 1: did not happen, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But they give you like was there like a debrief
Speaker 3: type thing after each session where they would sit you
Speaker 3: down and be like, hey, ask you more questions or
Speaker 3: was it questions like during the experience.
Speaker 1: It was during these these trips and you know, within
Speaker 1: four hours you were typically peaking and that's the most
Speaker 1: intense moments. And that's when these uh, particularly with the
Speaker 1: sounds I remember, is that, you know, that's when they
Speaker 1: would get us. There was another time where you get
Speaker 1: a hold of the other person and you start trying
Speaker 1: to think their thoughts. You know, you're looking at them
Speaker 1: and then there you got an observer over here watching this.
Speaker 1: I remember that because this check that I was with,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the girl that I wanted to get laid with. Uh,
Speaker 1: but she grew these freaking ears. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember the stripe gum that was you know, yellow,
Speaker 1: and then it was green and anyway, she turned into
Speaker 1: a cream striped.
Speaker 3: Thing and it.
Speaker 1: Remember that and I just started laughing and anyway, so, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's wild, that's what. So does it seem did it
Speaker 3: seem like it was sixth Did they ever give you
Speaker 3: any kind of indication on the status of the experiment
Speaker 3: or like how it went or like they consider it
Speaker 3: successful or.
Speaker 1: What I guess they did. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a limited time. I remember, you know, there
Speaker 1: were five different times that we went in there to
Speaker 1: the to the that office. But yes, it didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's just that type of dude that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I saw some people freak out, particularly this one guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had red hair and red mustache and I don't
Speaker 1: know where the fuck he went, but he went someplace
Speaker 1: that the rest of us didn't go.
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, that's wild. I can't that sounds like
Speaker 3: the when did you say this was in the.
Speaker 1: Sixties, nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy two. Okay, I think the because what that
Speaker 3: reminds me of is a Monroe Institute's binaural beats that
Speaker 3: they were working on, which was a way to induce
Speaker 3: an out of body experience. Have you ever heard of
Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 1: It's Sindya, I have, I have, but I was not
Speaker 1: connecting the dots. I mean, I have to look into that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, well, I'm sorry, what what year did you say?
Speaker 3: That was nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: One, nineteen seventy two, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Monroe Institute wasn't founded until nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 3: But it's still an interesting correlation there because it would
Speaker 3: get these binarrow beat tapes and you can still get
Speaker 3: them online or whatever they would be like. Of course
Speaker 3: back then it was Cansett tapes and you put them
Speaker 3: in the Consett tape and the whole idea was to
Speaker 3: induce an out of body experience, which is sort of
Speaker 3: almost exactly like what you said that this experiment was
Speaker 3: trying to do. Trying to do them, but I would
Speaker 3: imagine doing it with LSD and these beats would shoot
Speaker 3: directly out of your body.
Speaker 1: You know. I was. I remember I was living with
Speaker 1: a guy Nelson, And anyway, we went down and saw
Speaker 1: Creten's clear Oat of Revival in Bo Diddley and I
Speaker 1: had gotten this window pane acid and once I sold
Speaker 1: it all, we went into the concert and I mean
Speaker 1: really started getting in with uh I remember uh Bo
Speaker 1: Diddley playing in the freaking light and the things coming
Speaker 1: out of as guitar. My point to that is is
Speaker 1: that when we got back to the house, I was
Speaker 1: laying out on the car and looking up and there
Speaker 1: the moon was full and there were clouds moving in
Speaker 1: and the next thing I know, I was out of
Speaker 1: my body, literally out of my body, and one of
Speaker 1: the most fantastic trips I ever had. But I guess
Speaker 1: I would have never had learned that technique if I
Speaker 1: hadn't been taught by whoever the yahoos were that were
Speaker 1: teaching us how to use our minds in with intense
Speaker 1: hallucinogenic effects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's wild. That's our really good. Because I
Speaker 3: haven't ran into anybody that's really been a part of
Speaker 3: any of those types of studies. I mean there's people
Speaker 3: that you know, say that they were whenever they were
Speaker 3: you know, like really young children. But it's hard for
Speaker 3: people to remember that kind of stuff. It's hard to
Speaker 3: remember anything from when you were really young, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: like eight nine years old. You can't remember ship from
Speaker 3: when you're that younger.
Speaker 1: On the street, though I can tell you that, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I can't remember a lot from my teens
Speaker 3: for suah.
Speaker 1: I mean so now I have actually talked to professionals,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, psychologists, and because they wanted to, they
Speaker 1: find it interesting. So you know, what effect did that
Speaker 1: have on you know, the brain, my brain compared to
Speaker 1: another subject that at the same age in non similar environment.
Speaker 1: Does the introduction of taking you know, LSD, these type
Speaker 1: of hallucinogenics, how does that rearrange the thought of the brain,
Speaker 1: the brain in itself. And it's interesting here I stand
Speaker 1: at the age of sixty nine and look back, and
Speaker 1: to me, it was very normal. I mean most people
Speaker 1: don't take LSD, but for me, I just enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I used to go to the mall and walk in
Speaker 1: between the Persian rugs, you know, the ones that are
Speaker 1: like twenty feet high, and just being so Stone and
Speaker 1: feeling the textures and seeing the Paisleys and the multi
Speaker 1: As I tell people, I learned how to exist in
Speaker 1: two dimensions at the same time, because that's what it does.
Speaker 1: It completely alters your perspective on reality. But yet reality
Speaker 1: is really happening around you. I mean there's other people
Speaker 1: who are not Stone and you are.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's a different kind The drugs
Speaker 3: interacts with people differently. I mean, I know some people
Speaker 3: that can't smoke any kind of weed. It just you know,
Speaker 3: put some immediately into a psychosis. And then I know
Speaker 3: people that smoke weed every single day and it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Really do anything like you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know people that can you know, do LSD
Speaker 3: and E mushrooms all the time. And then I know
Speaker 3: people that can't. They do it once and they're immediately
Speaker 3: into a straight up psychosis. So I think that I
Speaker 3: don't think there's any kind of blanket type of you know,
Speaker 3: statement for people like you. You know, you can't really
Speaker 3: advocate it for everyone because I mean it's so different,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And and again this was fifty years ago, so it's
Speaker 1: nearly fifty years ago. Where does time go?
Speaker 3: It's just flying, you know, what I've really realized when
Speaker 3: is that there there's like a percentage of people out
Speaker 3: there that you can't reason with anymore. You know, like
Speaker 3: logic and facts just have no bearing on their reality.
Speaker 3: They just repeat the same standard type of programming, you know,
Speaker 3: the same talking points. Right though, we have seen a
Speaker 3: lot of people slowly begin to you know, really see
Speaker 3: what's going on. But there's also a problem with that.
Speaker 3: There's a problem with catching on to the fact that
Speaker 3: we're never really going to know the real story surrounding
Speaker 3: any event, right. And the response to that is, you know,
Speaker 3: the problem it's either that you continue the bullshit and
Speaker 3: continue to believe the bullshit that they tell you, or
Speaker 3: you become cynical and you stop believing anything. And I
Speaker 3: think that's the biggest problem. You know, like everyone is
Speaker 3: like everything's fake, everything's stage blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: nihlis and exactly nihilism, and neither one of those either
Speaker 3: you know, believing in all the bullshit that you're being told,
Speaker 3: or the nihilistic outcome where everything's fake and stage is
Speaker 3: adequate ways to live your life, right, Because both of
Speaker 3: those outcomes are perfect for the people that want to
Speaker 3: maintain power because if people keep believing the nonsense, the
Speaker 3: group that's in power can do whatever they want. And
Speaker 3: if people become so disillusioned with the system and start
Speaker 3: to believe that everything is fake and staged, also perfect
Speaker 3: because they aren't a threat either. You know, That's really
Speaker 3: how it works, just like how everyone says, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 3: the left and the right are just the two sides
Speaker 3: of the same coin, or you know, the o they're
Speaker 3: saying is two wings of the same bird. Well, so
Speaker 3: is believing everything that you're told and also thinking that
Speaker 3: everything is fake and staged, because they both lead to
Speaker 3: the same exact outcome, which is chaos and destruction because
Speaker 3: neither do anything. And I'm just seeing an increase of this,
Speaker 3: like with everyone, you know, they're either on one camp
Speaker 3: or the other camp. Like I'm believing everything that I'm
Speaker 3: being told or I believe absolutely none of it and
Speaker 3: it's all bullshit, made up nonsense. And I think that
Speaker 3: the the truth is in the middle, you know. And
Speaker 3: that's not me trying to be like take the center
Speaker 3: path or the middle path or whatever. Yeah, pat the
Speaker 3: purple pill, but I think that that's that's the truth.
Speaker 3: There's got to be like a balance here. What do
Speaker 3: you think have you seen a increase in this type
Speaker 3: of behavior where people are it's all fake, it's all staged,
Speaker 3: it's all made up, it's all garbage, it's all nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's like I think as a result in I'm on
Speaker 1: the record on this one, I think the Internet is
Speaker 1: not this benign tool that we really think it is.
Speaker 1: It is a system of takeover and the species, the
Speaker 1: Homo sapien species, where we are in our development, I
Speaker 1: think we're at that fragile point, and what's happening as
Speaker 1: I see it, is that there is this so much
Speaker 1: information download and the information our brains are not equipped
Speaker 1: to handle this. I mean, you think about this, go
Speaker 1: back two hundred years ago, people had more time to meditate,
Speaker 1: people had more time to think why because there wasn't
Speaker 1: the noise. And today that noise has become a cocophony
Speaker 1: of just absolutely it shatters us. And there are those
Speaker 1: psychics who are not psych psyches that have taken the
Speaker 1: point that everything that they see in technology is fake,
Speaker 1: it's manipulated, it's controlled, and therefore I'm not going to
Speaker 1: believe any of it. Okay, well, you believe in something,
Speaker 1: and then you have the the other side of the
Speaker 1: the of the equation that I and I see it,
Speaker 1: and you know what, they're doing this the most, this
Speaker 1: is really weird. In rest homes, nursing homes, assisted living homes.
Speaker 1: They put on for instance, cn CNN is on every
Speaker 1: one of these buildings, every one of these places, and
Speaker 1: so it's you have this other crowd and I'm speaking
Speaker 1: for the senior citizens, and then this goes down all
Speaker 1: the way, uh and each demographic group they're convinced that
Speaker 1: that's the freaking truth, that's what reality is. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you try to tell them that not
Speaker 1: quite right, you know, they'll never see it that way.
Speaker 1: And I think it's this program that it's designed to
Speaker 1: polarize us. It's it's designed to bifurcate us in our
Speaker 1: views and our opinions and our abilities to cohesively talk
Speaker 1: and form opinions and ideas outside what's being fed. And
Speaker 1: I look at the nihilism as an opportunity to because
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they completely want to be in denial
Speaker 1: of everything. And to me, that is a more manipulated
Speaker 1: mind than the one that's already been converted, and I
Speaker 1: think we're going to see this continue now. I think
Speaker 1: there's some wild cards they throw in there. But to
Speaker 1: answer your questions, yeah, and I think it's becoming very clear,
Speaker 1: as I've told this to my audience writer, when governments
Speaker 1: begin to look for total control, they don't look at
Speaker 1: the nihilism. They don't look at the converts that are
Speaker 1: already watching Fox News, MSNBC, whoever it is. They have
Speaker 1: their own little circles over there, but they're all the
Speaker 1: same group. The ones they fear the most are the
Speaker 1: free thinkers because we can look at this and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's reality, folks, there's no doubt that this is real. Now,
Speaker 1: the question is, well, who's behind it, what's its endgame,
Speaker 1: what's the purpose here? And it's us. And then they
Speaker 1: tried to initially enable us as conspiracy theorist, you know,
Speaker 1: well everything is conspiracy to them. No, no, we're not
Speaker 1: that either. We're rational, cognitive thinkers that we question everything
Speaker 1: that's in control. If you're in control, then they're there's
Speaker 1: a reason for it, why, And so they try to
Speaker 1: get rid of us. I mean, look at the purge
Speaker 1: that happened on YouTube about five years ago. Yep, I
Speaker 1: mean it was weird. So I think us free thinkers
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to show, particularly the nihilists, because like
Speaker 1: I said, they're so easily manipulated where they are, that
Speaker 1: it's all right if you think that. But just instead
Speaker 1: of this denying everything, just question it, not deny its existence,
Speaker 1: but question it and question it for why is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was one time very deeply
Speaker 1: into the ministry of Christianity, and you look back on
Speaker 1: those techniques, it's it's very interesting because it is a
Speaker 1: form of mind control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this thing that's called the Cartesian crisis. Have
Speaker 3: you ever heard of this? The meaning of the Cartesian
Speaker 3: crisis describes the inability to be sure of anything right,
Speaker 3: So you're not sure of you know, scientific methods, you know,
Speaker 3: basic facts and historical events, you know, to such a
Speaker 3: degree that it leads to the complete collapse in destruction
Speaker 3: of reason itself. And I think that that's where we're
Speaker 3: currently approaching, especially with the community. Not my community, not
Speaker 3: your community. I'm saying, like the community as a whole, right,
Speaker 3: I think that that's where it currently sits, and.
Speaker 1: If it keeps it's.
Speaker 3: A very dangerous place and if it keeps going like this,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's going to implode upon itself. And
Speaker 3: if you straddle the fence, then you're another going to
Speaker 3: be devoured. Right, So it's like I feel like that's
Speaker 3: where things are headed. That's just where where in Barack
Speaker 3: Obama has talked about this. Obama has talked about it.
Speaker 3: Yourybzmanoff talked about it. The kid ub defector that showed
Speaker 3: on this show several times. Right, if you confuse the
Speaker 3: public so much to the point that they no longer
Speaker 3: know what to believe, then that you can do they
Speaker 3: can do whatever they want. Yeah, it can just throw
Speaker 3: so much information at them twenty four seven all the
Speaker 3: time that they can no longer know what to believe.
Speaker 3: They're so confused, so out of alignment. Then the plan
Speaker 3: is solidified. Wow, you know.
Speaker 1: So you look at what's happening, and and and and
Speaker 1: there's always an endgame. There's a purpose to this, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like with the Georgia guidestones,
Speaker 1: was that a warning was that the contract that they
Speaker 1: were trying to show the world what's going to becoming,
Speaker 1: that the world should have no more than five hundred
Speaker 1: million people living on it, and then you have the
Speaker 1: associated rules that those five hundred million should be following.
Speaker 1: And I often wondering that if we're really in the
Speaker 1: midst of history. The Samarians had the unique ability as
Speaker 1: a culture in society to understand that they were taking
Speaker 1: an active role in history. That's why they were the
Speaker 1: first ones that actually put down in the tablets the
Speaker 1: Samarian writings. And I think we're at that same point.
Speaker 1: I think that we're at a point now in our
Speaker 1: development as a species that the endgame is coming very
Speaker 1: quickly because this much psychic energy, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: about the inner it sucks the psychic energy of the participants,
Speaker 1: the prisoners, I guess we are and that eventually cannot
Speaker 1: continue to maintain at that same level. I mean, I
Speaker 1: often wonder are we on the verge of a civil
Speaker 1: war in this country? Is there something here in that
Speaker 1: it's going to implode us as a country. You know,
Speaker 1: the old saying is true, a house divided against itself cannotstand.
Speaker 1: And are we right now in that which the historians
Speaker 1: will write a thousand years in the future, maybe even
Speaker 1: one hundred years, that it was us, our generation, this moment,
Speaker 1: this time, we were the active element of what was
Speaker 1: going to impact history from here going forward in a
Speaker 1: manner that you know, the same as the fall of
Speaker 1: the Roman impact the fall of Visiting Empire. I think
Speaker 1: that we're at one of those critical junctions for us,
Speaker 1: not as a as a nation, but also as a species.
Speaker 3: I agree with that absolutely. We are approaching that time
Speaker 3: very rapidly, and it's going to happen within the next
Speaker 3: couple of months. And if it doesn't happen within the
Speaker 3: next couple of months, it's going to happen by the
Speaker 3: end of the year. And oh yet we're at that
Speaker 3: critical point right now. And one thing that I just
Speaker 3: want to know, Wane, is who in the hell is
Speaker 3: currently running our country? Good question that I want to know.
Speaker 3: Who Who is it? Who's running?
Speaker 1: We know it's not Biden, we know it's not Harris. Uh,
Speaker 1: the question really and this is the scary thing because
Speaker 1: these social channels don't want this out there. It's very
Speaker 1: evident to the observer, those who are looking for this
Speaker 1: that this is a very clear that this shadow government
Speaker 1: is act through the one running and we don't know
Speaker 1: who it is. It's sure the hell. Mike Johnson, the
Speaker 1: Speaker of the House. It certainly is in the Senate.
Speaker 1: Do you know the Congress has been out for six weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is nuts. And you look at all
Speaker 1: these factors, there's something else going on. I deal a
Speaker 1: lot of times in day treating and I have been
Speaker 1: watching the manipulation of gold, and what really freaks me
Speaker 1: out is where I see silver going. And that tells
Speaker 1: me clearly. For instance, the Russians have been for the
Speaker 1: last decade buying gold, gold, gold, gold, the bricks. That's
Speaker 1: what they're all about, and they're increasing their position. Uh.
Speaker 1: You look at people like Jamie Diamond who is saying
Speaker 1: that the red flags are everywhere, but no one in
Speaker 1: America is aware of it. And I happen to agree
Speaker 1: with you. We're going to wake up one morning because
Speaker 1: that the Fed's trying to do the the fed one
Speaker 1: thing with the digital dollar. They have to that's the
Speaker 1: only way that they can control this crash that's about
Speaker 1: to hit us. I don't talk about it very often
Speaker 1: because it freaks people out, but it can't be avoided.
Speaker 1: And when it hits, it's going to be ugly. It's
Speaker 1: going to be It's going to catch a lot of
Speaker 1: people off guard. And the first thing that we're going
Speaker 1: to see is the collapse is the food chain. And
Speaker 1: they're all ready, We're already there. People aren't realizing when
Speaker 1: we talk about inflation, we talk about how much it
Speaker 1: costs to eat. It has advanced in the last four years,
Speaker 1: nearly thirty one percent. You can't sustain a financial system
Speaker 1: with that type of increase. Eventually it collapse. Is and
Speaker 1: for me personally, yes, you're right, we are. We are
Speaker 1: so close to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's really scary, and it's really scary, like
Speaker 3: when you think about it, when you set back and
Speaker 3: you really because a lot of people like the romanticize,
Speaker 3: you know, the collapse of civilization and how awesome and
Speaker 3: fun it's good. No, it's not. It's gonna be the
Speaker 3: worst thing that you've ever experienced in the entire life.
Speaker 3: Lots of people are going to die, and uh, it's
Speaker 3: not going to be fun and the least bit at
Speaker 3: all period. But movies and TV shows have programmed people
Speaker 3: to think that, you know, this is what this is
Speaker 3: what we want, this is what's going to happen, and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be great and it's gonna be so it's
Speaker 3: gonna be like mad max Land or whatever. No, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really, really bad. And I see it coming.
Speaker 3: I just went to the store the other day and
Speaker 3: for one meal when it calls to me, sixty dollars, wow,
Speaker 3: one know it was. I was making some veggie enchiladas
Speaker 3: and to get everything for those veggie enchiladas cost me
Speaker 3: sixty dollars. And that wasn't even And that was with
Speaker 3: two orange juices on top of it too, you know,
Speaker 3: two liters of orange juices. That's it. Just two liters
Speaker 3: of orange juices and everything that I need for anchiladas.
Speaker 3: That's it. And it wasn't even the expensive stuff. It
Speaker 3: wasn't even like the really great organic.
Speaker 1: Foods good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was literally the basic stuff. And it cost
Speaker 3: me sixty dollars for one meal.
Speaker 1: And that is And.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about inflation, too, Wane, is inflation never
Speaker 3: goes down. Once it goes up, it just keeps going up.
Speaker 3: It never It's not like gas prices. How gas prices
Speaker 3: like can fluctuating and go down sometimes. Inflation is not
Speaker 3: like that. It just keeps going.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, that is that that's never going
Speaker 1: to happen. And the thing that here's where the occult
Speaker 1: for me comes in. So you want to talk about magic,
Speaker 1: a black magic. Dark magic is designed to deceive and
Speaker 1: distract its victims. Well, the financial markets are exactly that
Speaker 1: right now unfolding. You have the artificial cost for gasoline.
Speaker 1: You have what they call subsidizing, taking our money and
Speaker 1: subsidizing the price, which then makes it worse because you're
Speaker 1: artificially keeping it down. And then when you take off
Speaker 1: those constraints, it begins to jump to a point where
Speaker 1: it's unobtainable. And all of these things are in factor.
Speaker 1: You look at the United States House of Representatives in
Speaker 1: the United States Senate, what they have done is a
Speaker 1: travesty to the American people. We have now under this
Speaker 1: current administration, gone nearly nine trillion dollars in debt. We
Speaker 1: don't have that money. The United States has technically broke even,
Speaker 1: and if you look at the debt clock, they always
Speaker 1: tried to offset it. Well, we have land, and we
Speaker 1: have people. Well people are basically slaves, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: We're traded. And when you have an economic collapse like
Speaker 1: we had in the nineteen twenties that led into the
Speaker 1: First Great Depression, our society can't exist today. If we
Speaker 1: had those similar things going on, there would be chaos everywhere.
Speaker 1: There would be in which we're already there. You now
Speaker 1: have these migrants that are now because they can't eat,
Speaker 1: they're rating supermarkets. Eventually you're going to have it to
Speaker 1: where the supermarkets will have armed guards and limit those
Speaker 1: who can go in. In fact, I understand that's already happening.
Speaker 1: It's a societal collapse.
Speaker 3: Yep. And I want to know how long freaking Harris
Speaker 3: known about Biden's cognitive decline. How long did she know
Speaker 3: that he wasn't all there, you know? And how how
Speaker 3: many times lied to us? How long did mainstream media
Speaker 3: lie to us over and over again that Biden was
Speaker 3: all cognitive least.
Speaker 1: Older and drew the clips writer that you know, ABC News,
Speaker 1: NBC News, CNN, MSNBC all saying that the president is fine,
Speaker 1: that his health, his doctor says his cognitive health is outstanding.
Speaker 1: These were direct lies and deceptions. And then we're talking
Speaker 1: about the president of the United States, the most powerful
Speaker 1: man supposedly in the in the world, and now we
Speaker 1: find out that he hasn't been home up here for
Speaker 1: at least the last three years.
Speaker 3: I mean, it should have been a telltale sign whenever
Speaker 3: they tried to prosecute him for the supposed documents or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then they came out and said that he wasn't
Speaker 3: mentally equipped to stand trial. That should have been a
Speaker 3: red flag. How long ago was that?
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen constitutionalist attorneys who have said that that's
Speaker 1: one thing the Department Jeffson is going to have to
Speaker 1: answer for. They chose not to prosecute a man that
Speaker 1: had committed a felony. Robert Hurr, the special prosecutor, that's
Speaker 1: what he said, read the report. He committed a felony.
Speaker 1: He did not have the authorization as a senator nor
Speaker 1: as a vice president to have any of those documents.
Speaker 1: And yet we go and prosecute Trump on Trump up charges.
Speaker 1: And that's what's so freaking scary. We are there right now.
Speaker 1: I told someone recently, we are where Nazi Germany was
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty two. We are exactly at the same spot.
Speaker 3: Yep, I believe it. And as I mean, that's all
Speaker 3: the signs are there when you look historically at a
Speaker 3: lot of the events and what they do to try
Speaker 3: and get out of a situation like this, it's always
Speaker 3: war wo and this time it's going to end up
Speaker 3: as some form I personally believe as an uprising, some
Speaker 3: sort of civil conflict. I mean, they've already been pumping
Speaker 3: up that, you know, wasn't it. Biden this said in
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty one that the greatest threat to American
Speaker 3: democracy is domestic terrorism. I'm pretty sure he said that.
Speaker 1: He also said when he came into his term of
Speaker 1: office that we were entering the dark Winter. That wasn't
Speaker 1: a season, that's an event, that's a long drawing out wrong,
Speaker 1: thank you, sir, Absolutely long. That's what's the difference between
Speaker 1: a strategy and a strategist. The strategy is something that
Speaker 1: you plan for short term. A strategist is when it
Speaker 1: looks at the big picture and said, well, this is
Speaker 1: like Obama, as he said, the nudge theory. You don't
Speaker 1: push an opponent, You nudge them very slowly, very inconspicuously,
Speaker 1: and eventually he's gonna look up and going, what the
Speaker 1: hell happened?
Speaker 3: We're there? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we're all gonna
Speaker 3: be looking up and going to be like, what the
Speaker 3: hell happened here? Pretty soon.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be on a list I'm already on the list,
Speaker 1: but it's like, okay, put me on the Christmas list,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3: So wild, the amount of lies and the amount of
Speaker 3: gas lighting, and it's just blatantly come from the mainstream
Speaker 3: media and MSNBC, and I mean, and Fox News is
Speaker 3: no better. I don't listen to any news channel. I
Speaker 3: just see the headlines, and the headlines are completely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It's you know what I really and it hurts me inside,
Speaker 1: is the fact that we have such a nation of
Speaker 1: great leaders, great thinkers, but they won't step up to
Speaker 1: come into leadership positions, and then we're stuck with what
Speaker 1: we have today. And you know, I was telling my
Speaker 1: audience just the other day. You know, there are so
Speaker 1: many brilliant female leaders in business, in academics, and yet
Speaker 1: we have one that this so fails the resume. I mean,
Speaker 1: I look at the presidential race that as a board
Speaker 1: of director, that means me as a citizen that I'm
Speaker 1: doing an interview, I'm interviewing two candidates for the position,
Speaker 1: and I often said, you know, like alphabet, they back hairs.
Speaker 1: And I wrote to them because I own stock, and
Speaker 1: I said, so you're backing Harris. But my question is,
Speaker 1: would you allow Harris to run Google? Now I'd let Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't know if if I like his policies.
Speaker 1: But hey, listen, he's the one flying around in his
Speaker 1: own private seven fifty seven. You know, I mean that
Speaker 1: that at least is I'm doing the resume thing. You
Speaker 1: got to check that off going. At least he knows
Speaker 1: how to run a business. But anyway, you know what.
Speaker 3: The wildest thing about this whole thing is is that
Speaker 3: we don't even know any of Harris's policies. We don't
Speaker 3: know what she is going to do. She was literally
Speaker 3: asked the other day. I think that it was on CNN.
Speaker 3: I posted a clip of it on my Facebook page
Speaker 3: where she was asked, what are you going to do
Speaker 3: about inflation? And she said, oh, well, the fandom. She
Speaker 3: stuttered around a little bit, and then she said, well,
Speaker 3: the American families. They need to realize that the cost
Speaker 3: of living is going up. Like, what did you just say?
Speaker 3: Like she did, There's no, there's nothing on her website
Speaker 3: that indicates anything that she's going to do if she
Speaker 3: becomes president besides copy everything that Trump is sent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Literally, the other day she said that she was going
Speaker 3: to build a wall.
Speaker 1: Let's see the borders are. For the last three and
Speaker 1: a half years, so she, under her watch has allowed
Speaker 1: the United States to be invaded by the single largest
Speaker 1: army of people ever recorded in history. And because of
Speaker 1: those acts that she failed to do as the vice president,
Speaker 1: has now ramifications that going to reverberate in this nation
Speaker 1: of violence. It's going to come in as shortages. And
Speaker 1: we don't know how many terrorists are here, but they're here,
Speaker 1: and you're right. I mean, it's so pathetic that they
Speaker 1: put hairs up there and we watched her do a
Speaker 1: coudeta on Biden. She violated the laws of the Democratic platform. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's very frightening to see where we are.
Speaker 1: And listen, I am not an all Trump fan.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing My thing against Trump is that, buddy, you
Speaker 1: may have long had to run a business, but when
Speaker 1: you came in as president, you were so freaking naive
Speaker 1: that you let your enemies inside your inner camp. And
Speaker 1: you want to know why you had such a rough time.
Speaker 1: You should have been smarter than that. You should have
Speaker 1: been smarter than a lot of things. But you know,
Speaker 1: if I have yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Well the thing that I agree with that and I
Speaker 3: agree with that one. But he admitted that if you
Speaker 3: listen to his h oh yeah, if you listen to
Speaker 3: his interview on The Sean Ryan Show, at the end
Speaker 3: of the interview, he admits all that. He said, Listen,
Speaker 3: my first term, I really had no idea what I
Speaker 3: was doing. And that takes a big man.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of for that, yeah, and respect.
Speaker 3: To do that to come out and say, listen, like
Speaker 3: my first term, I didn't know have any but you've
Speaker 3: seen throughout his four years that he started firing a
Speaker 3: lot of people, getting rid of a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I don't know. I'm not you know, I
Speaker 3: obviously I've never voted in my life, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: continue not to vote. But I can call out things
Speaker 3: when I see a bunch of hypocrisy, a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 3: What's going on? I mean, it was like.
Speaker 1: Here in the state of Missouri that I live in,
Speaker 1: they got a Senate race going in, right, They've put
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars both sides into one race. That
Speaker 1: of the job position that if you take the six
Speaker 1: years doesn't even pay a million dollars. What's going on here?
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's you're just a man.
Speaker 3: It's nuts, it is wild, and we're in for a uh.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in a Marx Brothers movie and
Speaker 1: I can't get out. Groucho is you know? Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm going, oh crap and harpos Trump.
Speaker 3: Well, you got any predictions for the debate today that happens.
Speaker 1: In I think is going to be the chess master. Listen,
Speaker 1: Kamala will bury herself by her own words. I mean,
Speaker 1: she has she has no track record, and I happen
Speaker 1: to think that where Trump handled Biden like a mastro
Speaker 1: that he today, Trump is going to be the wizard
Speaker 1: behind the curtain that you know, I think she I
Speaker 1: think she's going to sing herself. But here's my other prediction.
Speaker 1: I believe that Trump is going to make it as president.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to allow him in as president.
Speaker 1: I think Kamala will become president of the United States
Speaker 1: and October fifteenth of this year, Joe Biden will resign
Speaker 1: for medical of cognitive decline, and that when the election
Speaker 1: is over in the results, this is just my opinion
Speaker 1: that Trump will have won, but they will not allow
Speaker 1: him to take office.
Speaker 3: Who so you think Biden's going to completely step down
Speaker 3: out of all I.
Speaker 1: Know, it's a fact. It's already. It's in the back channels.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it everywhere now coming out. He will be
Speaker 1: stepping down.
Speaker 3: Why didn't they do that earlier? Why didn't they do that?
Speaker 1: Dementia late stage dementia is that you can cognitively function
Speaker 1: pretty well in stage one, two, and three, but when
Speaker 1: you start reaching into the fourth stages of dementia, that's
Speaker 1: where it advances. And this is what happened to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: He is now in a advanced state of dementia and
Speaker 1: he cannot continue as president. And this is in the works.
Speaker 1: You know, when the coupdeka took over him and he
Speaker 1: realized who his true enemies were, he gave up. He
Speaker 1: gave up running this country. He gave up, and he
Speaker 1: knew that the eventuality was that because of his cognitive decline,
Speaker 1: he will step down and you will see Madam Harris
Speaker 1: becoming the first female president of the United States.
Speaker 3: See. I just did not think that that's the way
Speaker 3: that they wanted to do it. I didn't think that
Speaker 3: they want.
Speaker 1: They wanted to do it that way on that it's
Speaker 1: not what Obama wanted. So it tells me someone else
Speaker 1: besides Obama is riding the horse. I don't know who that.
Speaker 3: Is, because that's a really super cheaty way to get
Speaker 3: a woman like the president of the United States, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, the first woman president on it
Speaker 3: didn't actually win the presidents she was given the presidency.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, pump the brakes on that one. Pump
Speaker 3: the brakes on that one. But I thought that if
Speaker 3: they were going to do that, they would have already
Speaker 3: done it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think that you have
Speaker 1: to other factors that are in play here. I mean
Speaker 1: the reason why I think they delayed the sentencing for
Speaker 1: Trump in the New York case they didn't want to
Speaker 1: give any other more advantage to them. They've already made
Speaker 1: him a martyr because I said, when they had tried
Speaker 1: to assassinate him, they raised him to the level of demigod.
Speaker 1: And that was a big mistake. The thing with Harris,
Speaker 1: and I think it's because of Biden's cognitive decline. It
Speaker 1: started kicking in so quick that they couldn't give him
Speaker 1: anything to counter it, and as a result, no one
Speaker 1: had a fallback position. If it wasn't Harris, then who
Speaker 1: was it going to be Newsome? I mean, there there
Speaker 1: were other candidates out there, but no, I think the
Speaker 1: powers to be said, we're going to coalesce around Harris
Speaker 1: and we'll rewrite her history, we'll rewrite her image, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think that they're rolling the dice. But
Speaker 1: I do not believe that they will allow Trump in
Speaker 1: as president.
Speaker 3: Man. I really hope that they don't do it like
Speaker 3: that that's going to be it. But but that's that
Speaker 3: will take all the attention off of anything Trump's doing.
Speaker 3: Is if Biden completely steps down and Harris is the
Speaker 3: president for three months before.
Speaker 1: I think about this, if his I don't know when
Speaker 1: this seems so it's just.
Speaker 3: So late in the game to pull something like that.
Speaker 3: They were going to do that, they should have already
Speaker 3: have done it. Should have done it instead of Biden
Speaker 3: saying that he's not running, he should have just been like,
Speaker 3: I'm stepping down completely in Paris, is now the president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I think that this also this
Speaker 1: aided in Biden's decline. I mean, it's just me and
Speaker 1: and it depends on when they're going to sentence Trump.
Speaker 1: It'll probably be now, be in sometime in December, so
Speaker 1: he'll get a felony conviction with prison time. We are
Speaker 1: going to be in a hell of a mess because
Speaker 1: if he wins the election, then he gets convicted with
Speaker 1: jail time. How you know, do you see the scenario
Speaker 1: being set up?
Speaker 3: But you can't convict the setting president though, you can't
Speaker 3: bring charges against the sitting president.
Speaker 1: But his conviction was you see where we're at.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a chess game, man, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what minds you're playing the pieces. But and listen,
Speaker 1: I read most of my stuff through the financial outlets
Speaker 1: because they really tell you what's going on, what's happening
Speaker 1: in the markets. And this is what the markets are saying,
Speaker 1: this is what they're preparing for.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's even worse, worse than I thought I
Speaker 3: was gonna be.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, what I got real concerned when Putin backed
Speaker 1: Harris and now the the the Iranian government is backing Harris.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, come on, folks, that this wait a minute, you.
Speaker 3: Didn't think that that was a major troll from Putin
Speaker 3: liked they control the United States, they try and say
Speaker 3: something good about my country with.
Speaker 1: The Americans heads. It really does. I think this dude
Speaker 1: is a total mind job. Man. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: let me just really throw in some other stuff here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wouldn't that be really funny? Though? If he was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to do. I want to
Speaker 3: try and make them to say something good about me
Speaker 3: and my country. So I'll support I'll support Harris. So
Speaker 3: then in this NBC and CNN and all the people
Speaker 3: have to be like, oh my god supports us.
Speaker 1: You talked about the troll because you know, when I
Speaker 1: heard that, I'm going, well, what the hell about Ukraine? What?
Speaker 1: All right? Sure, go go go.
Speaker 3: I thought that would have been really funny. But I
Speaker 3: think that really quickly. My thoughts on the debates, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wrap it up. I think that it's going
Speaker 3: to go pretty much of the way that the first
Speaker 3: debate went with with Biden, and I hope that Trump
Speaker 3: is really reserved in his actions and he doesn't that
Speaker 3: it's not that twenty twenty debate with him and Biden
Speaker 3: because he did too much there, too much that yes,
Speaker 3: this is the perfect I mean, we know that she
Speaker 3: can't string a sentence together. We know that she can't
Speaker 3: talk without a teleprompter telling her what to say. She
Speaker 3: freezes up when she has to go off of the teleprompter,
Speaker 3: so we know that she's not gonna be able to
Speaker 3: I think she's just as bad as Biden, and she
Speaker 3: has no excuse because Biden has mental problems. She doesn't.
Speaker 3: She should be able to get up there and speak
Speaker 3: exactly what she wants to say, but she can't. And
Speaker 3: I think if Trump just takes a step back, relax,
Speaker 3: let her bury herself, then it's all going to become
Speaker 3: abundantly clear. But if he doesn't, and he goes off
Speaker 3: and he tries to do the Hillary Clinton thing that
Speaker 3: he did with Hillary Clinton and the thing that he
Speaker 3: did with Biden in the twenty twenty debates, then it's
Speaker 3: going to be a really wishy washy and then they
Speaker 3: can use some things to their advantage there. But if
Speaker 3: he just sets back and lets her bury herself, then
Speaker 3: it'll all be good. But if he doesn't, it's a
Speaker 3: different story. But Wayne, thanks so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. Mobally discussion, so let people know where
Speaker 3: they can find you.
Speaker 1: R Wayne Steiger over on YouTube and on Rumble and Odyssey,
Speaker 1: so yeah, for sure, and I want to get you
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