WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.119 Buildings behind me were the headquarters for the World War 2 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:37.039 Two Office of Strategic Service. It was here that the 3 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.560 first halting steps toward mind control began. 4 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.359 The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he 5 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.880 made another film. There's a film about microcode called The 6 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:48.679 Clockwork Orn. 7 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.000 The Shining is one movie that has really been put 8 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.920 through the ringer and one thing that people really don't notice, 9 00:00:57.920 --> 00:00:59.759 that doesn't really make a lot of sense. 10 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:04.439 All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie. 11 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:08.359 What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode 12 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.120 a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want 13 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:13.159 anyone to know about her. 14 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.879 Kubrick has several references to Freemasonry in his films. 15 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.000 There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody 16 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:23.920 handprint on her ass. 17 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:28.159 The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all 18 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:32.719 through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology. 19 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.640 The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest 20 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:40.079 horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film? 21 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.400 The Shining also is low to a sexual innuendo. 22 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:47.040 The family is isolated up at the overlook, which is 23 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:52.840 a perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to 24 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:53.680 go down up. 25 00:01:53.560 --> 00:02:04.599 There, using mk ultra methods psycheatrically control assassins, literally assassins. 26 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:09.479 Experimental drugs, including LSD were administered to human guinea pigs. 27 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.120 The patients were never told that their treatment was part 28 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:14.599 of a CIA experiment. 29 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.479 And there was this story which involves him spiking the 30 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.360 drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olsen, 31 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:27.840 and he jumped out of a window to his death. 32 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.800 It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone 33 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.319 feel like they don't have any control over this etherical 34 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.400 entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are 35 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:43.520 imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for 36 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:44.639 the actions. 37 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:46.759 The stuts. 38 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.960 We know what happened in the apartment that they had. 39 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.759 There are many clues that point to the fact that 40 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:57.639 this theory of what the Shining is really about is 41 00:02:57.719 --> 00:02:58.759 the correct theory. 42 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.120 We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts 43 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.879 are kind of forcing a man to go off and 44 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:29.599 kill his family. But what are we really watching here, Wendy. 45 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:38.400 I'm home. Welcome back, guys. It's lovely to be here 46 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.080 on this amazing day and welcome everyone, all the right 47 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:48.719 Arranger members to Raised by Giants Live discussion. Welcome everyone 48 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.080 in the chat. I get to see you guys again 49 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.719 and any moderators and or channel members out there. I 50 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.080 appreciate you guys sticking with me through the break, but 51 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.159 it wasn't a break for me. Let me tell you. 52 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.560 It was a nightmare in some cases, but a very 53 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:09.319 enjoyable nightmare, you know. Having creating the Clockwork Shining, which 54 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.919 I just showed you the trailer for there the documentary 55 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:19.279 that's something that is this expansive, the juggles as many 56 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.160 topics as it does and has six people in it. 57 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.319 Any editor or a filmmaker will tell you how big 58 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.600 of a task that is. But it is finished, and 59 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.639 it is complete, and I'm super proud of it. 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So with that down, we have with us 81 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:49.160 today returning guests philosopher, researcher, educator, spiritual teacher and visionary 82 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.240 on Occult in Esoteric Studies. Wayne Steger, It's good to 83 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.240 see you, my friend. How's a hand wrider? 84 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.879 Good to see you, buddy, Get back in the saddle. 85 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:03.920 Exciting and by the way, congratulations on the new documentary. 86 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:05.720 Thank you, Wayne, thank you. I think you're really going 87 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.319 to enjoy it. It's uh, I think it's right up. 88 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.279 A lot of people's allays actually. 89 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:17.920 Deals with prime right, Yes, yeah, so I usually reserve 90 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:22.199 Saturday mornings for watching such films as uh in the 91 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.120 same genre, so I'll have the wife right there as well. 92 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.240 Oh yeah, you're gonna lie. It's got all the sixties 93 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:34.439 bands in it and uh, you know, good old Cia 94 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:36.279 stuff in it, So I think you're really going to 95 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:40.800 enjoy it. But hey, I started drinking tea now I'm 96 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:45.319 a I'm a tea man. Quit drinking coffee and energy 97 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:47.920 drinks during the break during the making of this documentary, 98 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.199 which was super rough, So I'm right there with the 99 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.240 tea again. I don't know why I stopped drinking tea, 100 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:55.600 Wayne Link. I drink tea since I was very young. 101 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.079 I've always looked for you. 102 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:58.399 I mean, it really is. 103 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:01.439 I don't know if it's like the call conditioning of 104 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.399 like coffee and all that that you got to have 105 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.160 constantly have coffee, but I've always enjoyed tea more. I 106 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.720 don't know why I stopped drinking. It was really weird. 107 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.439 Well, it's a sophisticated taste acquired case coffee. And I 108 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.560 don't drink caffeinated tea, but I eat a lot, drink 109 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:24.279 a lot of spice tea of such. 110 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.160 Yeah. So we have a lot going on right now, 111 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.920 especially on the world stage. We got the first debat 112 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:38.720 tonight between the trump Master and Kamala, which I'm definitely 113 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.000 going to be watching. But before we get into like 114 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.160 some worldly things, I kind of wanted to get your 115 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.000 take on because you just had a you also have 116 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.560 a little break in there, but it was kind of 117 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:56.399 for different reasons, and you had some experiences that I 118 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:00.000 thought would possibly well, it's definitely good to share about 119 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.920 for mind listeners and my viewers about what you experienced 120 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.959 during that How long were like three weeks? Three weeks? 121 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:12.759 Yeah, and it was sucked, That's all I got to say. 122 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.160 And I had meningitis with lyme disease at the same time. 123 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:24.120 So this one, yeah, took me out of the body. 124 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:27.399 As you would say, Oh, you had an out of 125 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:28.560 body experience along with it. 126 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:32.080 I think it, you know, different ways of looking at it. 127 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:36.759 I mean, when the body starts hitting an internal temperature, 128 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:41.600 you know one hundred and five, you know it's you know, 129 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:46.039 a lot of you can experience houselinations, you can experience 130 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.279 things that your body is it's so weak that the 131 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:57.960 spirit has the ability to many times overcome the hindrances 132 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.919 of spirits outside the body. And I was really sick. 133 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.759 I was dying, and my wife as a nurse, and 134 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.639 she was very much aware of it. And you know, 135 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.399 I went to a place that for me, and of 136 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.000 course it's you know, when you have these experiences, they're 137 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:24.919 very personal, very personalized, is what I called the bridge. 138 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.759 I've later since read because it was quite remarkable that 139 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:34.399 this bridge was of such a multifacet color colors that 140 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.159 I can't even describe, and come to find out, there's 141 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:44.759 been others who have experienced similar type of experiences and 142 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.879 it's known as the Rainbow Bridge. 143 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:52.639 So, yeah, did you experience like peas there? Like peas 144 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:54.360 and hope? 145 00:09:54.639 --> 00:10:00.320 Well, it's very interesting writer. Yeah, the show I on 146 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.720 that it was meeting the specter of death. It was death, 147 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:06.639 it was the spirit of death. But I wasn't afraid, 148 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:13.120 and I remember it distinctly talking to me. Tall spirit 149 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:19.320 really was and put its hand on my shoulder, and yeah, 150 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:25.360 there was a piece I wasn't afraid. It was, you know, 151 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:32.399 very compelling because I've been at that place before when 152 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:39.120 I almost died and I couldn't see past the middle 153 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:44.840 or the bridge. This time, the mist whatever you want 154 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:48.720 to call it, had lifted, and I saw a number 155 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:53.559 of people that hey, I hadn't expected to see, and uh, yeah, 156 00:10:53.639 --> 00:11:00.960 it was very personal and very you know, lasting in 157 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.399 the consciousness. 158 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:07.039 Did you see people that were currently passed on or 159 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.879 people that are living. 160 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:14.279 No, everyone that I saw, it was only a handful 161 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:18.960 of people. A couple were real surprise, were have already 162 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:23.519 passed over. The person who I first noticed was my mother, 163 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:28.799 and I was never close with my mother, but that 164 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.159 way and the one that shocked me the most as 165 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:37.279 I told my audience that she lived over in Norway. 166 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:43.759 Her name was Carla, and Carla made the decision to 167 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:49.120 leave on her terms, and she was a young woman 168 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:54.120 and I was surprised to see her over there. And 169 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:59.840 it really touches me emotionally because that I she said, 170 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.799 the last picture of her moments here before she went 171 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:07.559 into the facility, and there she was. I mean, you know, 172 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.360 it was like I did not expect that. And they 173 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.200 didn't talk, they couldn't talk to me. But it was 174 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.399 very obvious that they could see me because I could. 175 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.000 I saw them, and she had the most beautiful smile. 176 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.039 I mean, there was the way that I described it 177 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:32.639 as I relived the moment. It was exquisite joy, so 178 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.879 very it was I had not expected that at all. 179 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.320 That that really that shocked me more than anything else. 180 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:45.919 Yeah, I would imagine, and I think it would be 181 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:47.799 super wet if you got over there and then like 182 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:53.320 everybody that was there was all like living. They weren't 183 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:55.360 people that you knew that was already dead. 184 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:00.440 The death realm anyway. So we're the dead, they're they're 185 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:01.279 actually the living. 186 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:06.080 I don't know. Yeah, I think it's uh, that's super interesting. 187 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.759 So you weren't able to communicate within you these pasted 188 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:13.200 over love, but you were able to get like an impression. 189 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.279 No, yeah, yeah, they saw me and I saw them, 190 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.279 and the thing that was very interesting was they weren't concerned. 191 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:26.240 You know, there was almost like high you know, death, 192 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.600 the spirit of that, the specter of death. I mean, 193 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:34.840 if it's very interesting because you don't speak words, you 194 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:41.279 you you hear thoughts, and it it's I can still 195 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.039 quote it right now. I said that you know, there 196 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.559 isn't a pointed time in which the crossing will happen, 197 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:53.600 but this is not it. And you know, I came 198 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:59.600 back into consciousness with my wife, you know, medically checking 199 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.320 me out. So yeah, so did it hurt? 200 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:05.960 Did it hurt coming back into your body? Because I've 201 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.600 had where it was rough. 202 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.039 Crushing pain is the way I would describe it in 203 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:21.519 every freaking joint. Yeah, and yeah, that that just sucked. 204 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.879 The fever was you know, the other thing, and it 205 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:32.120 took me, you know, like eight nine days to finally 206 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:34.240 get that where the fear was broke. 207 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:42.720 So yeah, well I was talking to Trina because you know, 208 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.799 when I was making this documentary, I couldn't pay attention 209 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.720 to anything about what was going on, Like I was 210 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:51.960 just shut off from everything. I didn't watch anything, I 211 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.279 didn't look at anything. I hardly even scrolled through any 212 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:58.159 social media or whatever. I was literally just working on 213 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.759 it every single day all day, like hours and hours 214 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:04.360 and hours at a time. And near the end of it, 215 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.240 you know, when I'm getting close to wrapping it up, 216 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.080 I decided to check on your channel and I was like, oh, 217 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.279 what's Wayne, What's Wayne been up to these days? And 218 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:14.720 then I get over there, and I've seen that you 219 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.120 hadn't posted anything in a while. And then I was 220 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:18.600 when I tried to call you a couple of times 221 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.039 and you didn't pick up. And then I texted Trina 222 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:27.360 and she told me that you were, you know, healing. 223 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:29.679 I tried to trying to say healing as much as possible, 224 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:36.360 because sickness just keeps that revolving door of you know, sickness. 225 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.000 So she told me what was going on, and I 226 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.759 was like, Wayne's going to pull through. For sure. There 227 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.279 ain't no way, No freaking virus is going to take 228 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.159 down Wayne. Not possible. 229 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:51.639 So it's very kind of you. You know, you've experienced 230 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.120 some some you know, divided piece is what I call it, 231 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.679 you know, because it sure ain't fun. Yeah, it was 232 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:04.039 so intense and to have a moment like listen, it 233 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.000 was real to me, as I told my audience, And 234 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:13.360 when there were some things like our reality is really 235 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:18.000 this cube, one of the things I remembered distinctly was 236 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.759 we are inside this reality and this and there is 237 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.360 a bridge is a bridge for all of us. Now, 238 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.440 maybe it may not be a physical bridge like it 239 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.159 was it is for me, and I have no doubt 240 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.960 that when my time is ready, you know, because writer, 241 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.720 we're all born and we're all waiting to die. Now, 242 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:45.679 what you do in between is where the game really 243 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:48.600 becomes real. But in essence, when the day first day 244 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.000 we're born, we know that we're one step closer to 245 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.399 the day that we will die. And I'm one who 246 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:01.799 believes that consciousness survives what we call the physical death, 247 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.359 and there's a transcendence that takes place in there. I 248 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:09.519 don't think we ever physically die. My philosophy is that 249 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:12.920 this is the death realm. You know, we are born 250 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:17.599 into death. We experience death. Everything here dies. You have 251 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.400 to eat something that was alive in one form or 252 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:26.279 fashion in order to live in here. And each day 253 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.839 our bodies die and our consciousness are not aware of 254 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.000 that there is this place where we all sense it. 255 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.440 We're the observer and the experiencer at the same time. 256 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.480 But we get so used to this realm that we 257 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.839 think that this is real. We think that this is 258 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.920 how it really is, and we're taught that death is 259 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:56.440 the ending. And unfortunately, in Western cultures, death is looked 260 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:01.960 at as something bad when actually it's it's it's merely 261 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:08.240 emerging back into life. Because if death is eternally longer 262 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:11.279 than life, I think we've got it upside down. I 263 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.079 think that it's it's what we call death is actually 264 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.400 living and it has no death within it. So I 265 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.799 will make it back to that bridge. I will see 266 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:25.519 those people. I saw Brian good brother of ours milky Way, 267 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.160 and I told Trina he was wearing that damn hat 268 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.920 and I swear he had this shit eating grin on 269 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.400 his face. It was like, you know, you know, it's like, yeah, 270 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.680 I've been over here for a number of years and yeah, yeah, 271 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.440 I think you got it right. So anyway, Yeah. 272 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:53.359 What did this place just feel like? Because obviously when 273 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.480 you kind of describe it, I think people that are 274 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.599 familiar with you know, Christianity and the Bible and any 275 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:04.799 kind of religious institution kind of automatically thinks of like 276 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:08.960 having you know what I mean? Was this the type 277 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:13.240 of impression that you got? And did it feel realer 278 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:15.079 than real? 279 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:15.359 Like? 280 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.559 Did it feel realer than the reality that we're currently in? 281 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:25.000 Yeah, And it's going to sound strange it this place 282 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.599 it's a physical place because I remember looking up into 283 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:34.920 the firm in it and wow, As I told Trina 284 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.160 the first when I could actually begin to have enough 285 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.559 strength to talk and told her that it was wow. 286 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.799 It was just there were spears up there, huge planet 287 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:50.720 like things, and it existed not over here, but when 288 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.200 you when you looked directly on, that's where it existed. 289 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.720 And I don't know if I'm making sense here, but 290 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.160 it's like when I turned old, were the first time 291 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.720 I saw Carla, this didn't exist, but when I looked 292 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.079 over there there it did. Does that make sense? 293 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:10.680 Yeah, it's. 294 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:16.440 It's it's it's a multi it's like it. It probably 295 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:24.799 exists complete, but what I never saw the completeness of it. 296 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.200 Only when I saw looked over there, I saw that 297 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:30.400 specific area. 298 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.000 So yeah, kind of like a video game. That's how 299 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:37.119 a video game would tend to operate. Like your character 300 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.960 going through a video game, and depending on where you 301 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.400 are is where the environment. 302 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:46.759 Renders and your point it's perspective. Yeah, yeah, but it's real. 303 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:50.079 I happened to absolutely believe that I've been there before. 304 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:57.359 And you know, when I almost passed with the meningitis, 305 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.960 that was the first time that I had come to 306 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.839 this bridge. 307 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:05.119 What would year was in the. 308 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:12.039 June nineteen ninety three thereabouts. Yeah, I was in a 309 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:19.599 coma for eight days. And yeah, so that was and 310 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:26.480 it was a completely different feeling this time. When I 311 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.079 was in Knoxville. This is where I got really sick. 312 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:35.160 I was afraid, you know, it was something that I 313 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:39.279 didn't want to see again. And here thirty five so 314 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:41.640 years later, you know, you look back and you go, 315 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:46.799 it's it was different. Yeah, I certainly back to see 316 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.640 my mom. 317 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:52.200 I mean, the. 318 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:54.960 Relationship I had with my mother was one that could 319 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:56.079 be written in the books. 320 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:01.640 I mean, yeah, I heard that the same type of. 321 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.920 Exactly and you gotta love them. I mean they, you know, 322 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:10.000 our mothers give birth to us. But wow, mine was 323 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.000 a trip and some sure years was anyone. And I 324 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.319 didn't expect to see her, you know, I did not. 325 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:20.519 Carla was the shocker though. Well, it just says it's 326 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.119 something you know, I'll encourage with you writer, is that 327 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.720 when we do shows, you know, and we we become 328 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:34.480 you know, content creators in doing these, we're never aware 329 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.960 of some of the things that we do for people. 330 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:42.119 And I don't think that so often that we know 331 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:46.160 that there are those who are really moved and we 332 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.319 help in their lives. And that was the sense that 333 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:55.240 I got from Carlo was, you know, it was just 334 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.599 very different. So the things we do here do in fact, 335 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.720 are over to that other side. I think we're specific 336 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:09.359 and I'll share this with you. In this time. It 337 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:14.640 was impressed upon me that many of us are spirit 338 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:19.039 guides in training. In other words, when we finished this 339 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:25.599 mission here many people listening to us, You're not going 340 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.799 into the same place that many of the other souls 341 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.160 will go into spirits, however you want to define that. 342 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.160 I believe many of us will actually beginning to be 343 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:41.200 guides for those souls, those spirits that are coming in 344 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.240 to this realm. 345 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.160 That would makes sense, like it kind of a graduation 346 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.519 type thing, and you do okay here and then you 347 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.599 go on and then you go on to help somebody else. 348 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.039 Yeah, yeah, imagine, and you know the responsibility to be 349 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:05.279 a spirit guide to another spirit and that, and you know, 350 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:11.359 rookies don't get into that, you know. So maybe that 351 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.240 is my next destiny. Who knows, but there is. It 352 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.599 doesn't stop, That's what I do know for sure. I 353 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.920 didn't see any pain. I didn't see anything scary. I mean, 354 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.119 but I don't think like that either. In my spirit. 355 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:30.519 I don't see death as this foreboding realm. I don't. 356 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.640 I see it as a liberation. And these bodies weigh 357 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:39.000 us down and they rob us because of the density 358 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:44.839 of this reality, and we become convinced that these physical 359 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:49.079 bodies and that which we experience and respond to is 360 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:50.200 real and it's not. 361 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.240 You know, I just thought of when you're when you 362 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.880 were talking about how you were there and you were 363 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.960 looking according to your perspective and where you're looking, things 364 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:07.720 would appear. Maybe that's so that your mind isn't overwhelmed 365 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.559 in a way, it doesn't overload your mind and it 366 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.319 just doesn't shatter into a million pieces, because if you 367 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.720 were to see everything all at one time, it's just 368 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.799 going to overload your brain and you're just going to 369 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.160 go into a nothingness, into a freaking void of nothingness 370 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.039 because your mind can't handle. 371 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:27.240 It very good. I mean, it may in fact, like 372 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:31.039 you said it, maybe you know that fails safe switch. 373 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.559 You know that because I'm sure it's an experience. Everything 374 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:37.920 I've read from the occult point of view about death 375 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:43.200 is that it's orgasmic and that that you know, you 376 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.920 wouldn't think that because of so many tragedies, what you 377 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:51.359 see people dying but you know there's times when great 378 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.359 pleasure can be also intense pain. 379 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.400 Yeah. Probably, I guess orgasmic in the way that it's 380 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.720 like a relief. That is, because this reality is super 381 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:10.119 dense and we're in bodies that we're probably not technically 382 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.759 meant to be in. So when that spirit is released 383 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.279 from the body, it's like, you know, giant weight has 384 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.440 just been lifted up all of your shoulders. That's how 385 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:24.160 I felt in my near death experience. It was just like, finally, 386 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.960 everything's okay. 387 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:32.559 For hell, it's these bodies. Yeah, we're draft. A spirit 388 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:37.279 can't just unless you're trained, and it takes a lot 389 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:42.079 of training. But most people, the most they ever experience 390 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.319 as far as an out of body experience or or 391 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:50.119 something similar to that, is their dreams. Other than that, 392 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:54.359 they don't really think beyond that point. And those of 393 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.680 us who become aware of that. It's very odd about 394 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.799 your film, and I want to get you on the channel, 395 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.400 you and Jay if you both come out. I love it. 396 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:08.160 So you were talking about the LSD experiments that were 397 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:12.279 being conducted in the late sixties and early seventies, and 398 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.680 at the time, I was living in Houston, Texas in 399 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:20.519 the Montrose area. First, you know, I was living on 400 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:26.319 the streets. It was fifteen, but in I hung out 401 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.480