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<v Speaker 1>So an interview with mister Elon Musk, who of course

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<v Speaker 1>is famed Trump advisor, CEO of Tesla SpaceX, chair of

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<v Speaker 1>ex Corpilon. Thank you for doing this, We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to begin. Among other things, everyone's attacking you

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<v Speaker 1>for your position. What are you doing in the government.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a cyber attack on X today which shut

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<v Speaker 1>it down and may have been foreign sourced. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>big story. You want to give us a moment on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're not sure exactly what happened, but there was

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<v Speaker 3>a massive cyber attack to try to bring down the

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<v Speaker 3>X system with IP addresses originating in the Ukraine area.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so that's your suspicion. Is the website? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet up?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it up yet? It's up? Yet? It's up yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, but I just was looking back. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>get see if I get this right. They're setting fire

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<v Speaker 1>to various Tesla charging stations near Boston. Shots were fired

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<v Speaker 1>at a Tesla dealership in Oregon. Various non violence.

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<v Speaker 2>What's fired? Not a metaphor? Not's fired? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Downtown New York marching marching against the Tesla's showroom. Your

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<v Speaker 1>stock is way down You've been criticized left and right.

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<v Speaker 2>But look on the right side.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what are you doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Always look on the always look on the right side

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<v Speaker 2>of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But besides that, yes, I mean, what motivates you

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<v Speaker 1>to do this?

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose the opera good. It's tough sledding, Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>is tough sledding. But I think we're doing the right

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<v Speaker 3>thing here. The you know, there's been a tremense amount

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<v Speaker 3>of of wasting fort in the in the government. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're part of the government, you saw a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that and it's and there's been uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at the Inspector General reports and the

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<v Speaker 3>Government Accountability Office, there have been many orders that are

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out that there's tremendous amount of waste and fraud

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<v Speaker 3>in the government.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there was.

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<v Speaker 3>A report issued by the GAO, the govern Accountability Office

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<v Speaker 3>last year, so during the Biden administration, which estimated the

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<v Speaker 3>federal government fraud the.

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<v Speaker 2>Half a trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>So just because that's not a Trump administration, think that's

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<v Speaker 3>a Biden administration thing. So what we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 3>is get that number down to a much smaller figure,

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<v Speaker 3>save money for the American taxpayer. Stop money being spent

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<v Speaker 3>on things that are that I think very few taxpayers

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<v Speaker 3>would agree make sense, you know, transgender animal surgeries, or

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<v Speaker 3>why are we spending Why are American tax dollars being

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<v Speaker 3>spent on this? And the presidents are gone through a

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<v Speaker 3>long list of absurd things. Why are the twenty million

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<v Speaker 3>people who are definitely dead marked US alive in the

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<v Speaker 3>Social Security database? Why we're hundreds of millions of dollars of

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<v Speaker 3>small business Administration loans were given out to people aged

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<v Speaker 3>eleven and.

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<v Speaker 2>Under according to.

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<v Speaker 3>The Social Security like, these must have some very enterprising

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<v Speaker 3>eight year olds, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, pretty strong one hundred and fifty year olds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly, as as the President said, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>have an enormous number of people marked as alive. Who

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and sixty? He didn't know the country was

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<v Speaker 3>that healthy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, so demystify this.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? How big is your team? Where'd you recruit most

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<v Speaker 1>of them from? And what is it that makes you

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<v Speaker 1>choose you know, the Treasury or Social Security or USAI

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<v Speaker 1>D How does it work? Let the public know?

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<v Speaker 2>Please?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, we just basically follow the money, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we look at the presents executive orders, and we also

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<v Speaker 3>just follow the money.

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<v Speaker 2>So we started looking closely at.

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<v Speaker 3>USCID because they were completely violating the presence executive orders

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<v Speaker 3>to suspend foreign foreign aid, you know what's called foreign aid,

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<v Speaker 3>but in our view is a lot of corruption. So

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<v Speaker 3>what we saw there is just a trans amount of

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<v Speaker 3>money being sent to non governmental organizations, but actually it's

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<v Speaker 3>a This, by the way, is I think one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest sources of fraud in the world is government

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<v Speaker 3>funded non governmental organizations. This is a gigantic fraud loophole

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<v Speaker 3>where the government can give money to an NGO and

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<v Speaker 3>then that there are no controls over that NGO, so

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<v Speaker 3>they've given billions dollars. In thatch, we estimate tens of

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<v Speaker 3>billions of dollars to NGOs that are essentially scams.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I'm trying to put us up

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<v Speaker 2>to that, you know, so I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to interrupt. Secretary of State Rubio has just come

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<v Speaker 1>out and I think he tweeted today he is accepted

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<v Speaker 1>over eighty percent of your recommendations to shut down in

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<v Speaker 1>USAI D. Right, So your review and analysis was spot on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I think.

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<v Speaker 3>When people criticize say what DOGE is doing? We say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>which parts specifically, because we put all of the actions

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<v Speaker 3>of the dog team on the dose dot gov website

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<v Speaker 3>and on the DOGE headline x, so we post the receipts,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's like this, this action has been taken, this

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<v Speaker 3>action has been taken. So when when we get criticism,

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<v Speaker 3>we say, like, of what of what? Which which line

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<v Speaker 3>do you disagree with? Like which which cut? Which cut?

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<v Speaker 3>Which cost saving do you disagree with? And people usually

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<v Speaker 3>can't think.

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<v Speaker 1>Of any you know, So it's transparent line by line.

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<v Speaker 3>It's transparent line by line, which is quite remarkable, right

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<v Speaker 3>and so, and then with respect to the Treasury, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>we we the two main recommendations we UH suggested, which

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<v Speaker 3>have not been implemented, was that any payments going out

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<v Speaker 2>Treasury, especially the Treasury's.

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<v Speaker 3>Main payment computer, which is cold pen, things like a

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<v Speaker 3>payments account manager or something like that. It's like almost

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<v Speaker 3>five trillion a year or so about a billion an hour,

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<v Speaker 3>that the payments be coded with the congressional appropriation, and

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<v Speaker 3>that there be an explanation for the payment.

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<v Speaker 2>Very basic stuff. And just doing that we.

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<v Speaker 3>Estimate will save one hundred billion dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not really let me see if I get this right,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with so screwt. You're not really changing policy. You're

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<v Speaker 1>auditing the fiscal mechanisms to make sure that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from point A gets to point B, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to get to. In some cases it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get there, or some cases it may go over there.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's it's not a policy exercise. You're not changing laws.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just doing what any business would do in a

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<v Speaker 1>profit and loss audit.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're really what what what we're adding here

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<v Speaker 3>is caring and competence and the there's a massive amount

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<v Speaker 3>of fraud of basically people submitting UH social Security numbers

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<v Speaker 2>Where where those are those are?

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<v Speaker 3>Those are fake social screen numbers, so they're where they've

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<v Speaker 2>And we're trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>We're trying to put a stop to all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that that's the number which is estimated to be

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<v Speaker 3>on the order of ten percent of federal expenditures, which is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, half a half a trillion.

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<v Speaker 1>Dollars, a huge number you're working with the agency heads,

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<v Speaker 1>you're working with the Cabinet secretary. Yes, I saw Howard

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<v Speaker 1>Lutnik was on TV yesterday saying you were partnering with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that there? Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well we do is an in consult consultation with

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<v Speaker 3>the cabinet sectories and with their departments.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're really trying to be uh sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll refer to ourselves as tech tech support. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're really helping the department get a handle on things

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<v Speaker 3>because what actually happens here is you've got this this

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<v Speaker 3>sort of vast federal bureaucracy, and then you've got a

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<v Speaker 3>very thin layer on top of the of the politically

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<v Speaker 3>appointed officials. And what has to happen is that the

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<v Speaker 3>bureaucracy frankly is in control and they largely ignore the

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<v Speaker 3>politically appointed people.

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<v Speaker 1>Why should the bureaucracy, I'm sure you must have seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've lived with this twice. I've worked for Reagan many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I worked for Trump in the first term.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a permanent bureaucracy, I might add, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much so.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't it's it's not a bureocracy that necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>enforces or implements presidential policy.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, they try their best to thwart presidential policy.

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<v Speaker 3>So the president is the elected representative of the people.

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<v Speaker 3>And if the president cannot get things implemented as a

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<v Speaker 3>reflection of the well of the people, then what we

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<v Speaker 3>have is not a democracy. We have a bureaucracy. We

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<v Speaker 3>have rule of the bureau, not rule of the people.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what we're trying to defeat. Here is the

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<v Speaker 3>bureaucracy and have rule of the people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The and as you mentioned, the bureaucracy is overwhelmingly Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>So Washington d C.

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<v Speaker 3>Was ninety two and a half percent I believe voted

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<v Speaker 3>for Kamala So this overwhelmingly.

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<v Speaker 2>A deep blue situation.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you pick your next targeted agency or department?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're we're trying to act broadly across old departments,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's not just one department at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>But are you in all them now? All of them?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh, we're trying to make trying to make the

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<v Speaker 3>government more efficient across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, how big is your team?

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<v Speaker 3>We're a little over one hundred at this point. Get

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<v Speaker 3>to two hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get to two hundred. Yeah, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're recruiting from where.

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<v Speaker 2>More or less.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically it's software people, you know, information security, software people,

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<v Speaker 3>and finance, you know, it's basically, yeah, finance and technology.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, frankly, I can't believe I'm here doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of bizarre, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of think that the.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've got this enormous federal budget deficit, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's a true trillion dollar deficit.

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<v Speaker 2>It keeps growing.

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<v Speaker 3>Our interest payments are higher than our defense department budget.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's I think was the real wake up call

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<v Speaker 3>for me was looking at seeing that the interest payments

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<v Speaker 3>the national debt exceeded the defense department budget and that

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<v Speaker 3>was only growing over time, which meant if we didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do something about this, then there.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't be any money for anything. We'll just be servicing debt.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know how to read an income statement and

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<v Speaker 1>you know how to read a balance sheet. You've had

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<v Speaker 1>some business experience. I'm kidding, but yeah, you know about

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, really, I just don't want America to

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<v Speaker 3>go bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a call to action. You're feeling you're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>a call to action. Yeah, you're giving up your other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what do you How are you running your

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<v Speaker 1>other businesses with great difficulty? Yeah, I mean, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>no turning back.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying, I'm just here trying to make government more efficient,

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<v Speaker 3>eliminate waste and fraud, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So far we're making good progress. Actually, so our.

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<v Speaker 3>Savings at this point exceed four billion dollars a day,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's quitty significant.

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<v Speaker 1>You think you'll wind up getting to a trillion dollars Yeah, savings.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean unless's unless we're unless we're stopped, we will

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<v Speaker 3>get to a trillion dollars of savings.

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<v Speaker 1>And that stuff can be translated. I mean we've been talking.

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<v Speaker 1>We had Russell vote the OMB director run earlier through

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<v Speaker 1>very recision authority impowerment authority. But believe you said it earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an audit that will not gather dust on shelves,

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to wind up with real savings, bend the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been many good audits I sit, done by

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<v Speaker 3>inspector generals and by government accountability offs, and they just

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been implemented. Nothing's been done. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the GEO identified there was seventeen million dead people in

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<v Speaker 3>the Social Security database several years ago. It's not twenty million,

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<v Speaker 3>but we done anything about it. And I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think you can sort of look at this as a

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<v Speaker 3>complaint minimization optimization. So basically, if the government sends money

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<v Speaker 3>out to whether it's wasteflow or porgeent fraudulent, nobody complains

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<v Speaker 3>if they receive money, but they do complain if they

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<v Speaker 3>don't receive money. And the people that complain the loudest

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<v Speaker 3>are the ones receiving the fortulent money.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, just like said, the goal, the goal

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<v Speaker 3>here is let's let's not have America go bankrupt with

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<v Speaker 3>we're making good progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so you're going to go another year, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think so final report middle of next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're just getting things done as opposed to writing

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<v Speaker 3>a report.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I say, reports.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't mean anything, just you've got to actually take actions.

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<v Speaker 2>So the.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the waste important in entitlement spending, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>which is all of the which is most of the

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<v Speaker 3>federal spending is entitlements, So that that's that's like the

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<v Speaker 3>big one to eliminate is that's the sort of half trillion,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe six seven hundred billion a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That is also a mechanism.

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<v Speaker 3>By which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants of

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<v Speaker 3>I essentially paint them to come here and then turning

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<v Speaker 3>them into voters. Yes, so this is why the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>are so upset about the situation, because they're losing. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if we turn off this gigantic money magnet for illegal immigrants,

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<v Speaker 3>then they will leave and they will lose voters.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have presidents sport He said so again yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>he completely supports your operation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well thanks, but that's super. Without the president's support,

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<v Speaker 3>we couldn't make any progress here. But yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>where you'll see the biggest outcry is from the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>who are they don't want the way somepport to be

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you see some of the crazy stuff like

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<v Speaker 3>is meant to take care of Americans in distress and

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of their money was being sent to pay

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<v Speaker 3>for luxury hotels in New York for illegal immigrants. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was happening even after the President was elected, even

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<v Speaker 2>Needs to stop.

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<v Speaker 3>So we actually made sure that that money did stop going,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's obviously it's outrageous that American taxpayer money is

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<v Speaker 3>meant on luxury hotels for legals. But you have to say, like,

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<v Speaker 3>why is that being done? It was because the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to import voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, yes, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's also why there's no voter ID and needed.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, in California, in New York State, you're not

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to show voter I d that's a great Isn't

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<v Speaker 3>it even insane?

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<v Speaker 1>Insane? Yeah, I'd say that as a New Yorker.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane, insane.

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<v Speaker 1>And it violates the entire Constitution and the principles behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, producers are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yelling at me to get out. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>end this interview because too much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just ask you one thing twenty seconds, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with, nothing to do with Doge. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>rescue the astronauts?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're bringing them back in a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not near enough attention being paid to this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get him back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get him back. God bless thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, thank you for all your service, Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate it, very much, appreciate it. Take care. Thank you.