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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, the Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein matter continues unobated. I tweeted on this about a

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<v Speaker 1>week ago in which I did not believe what Pam

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<v Speaker 1>Bondy was saying. I do not believe Nick Pttell what

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the FBI was saying. I do not believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to say this, Dan Bongino, I think he's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily believe what he's saying. I don't disbelieve,

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<v Speaker 1>so I wanted to dive deeper into this whether Cashpttel

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<v Speaker 1>knows more than he's saying. And of course the one

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<v Speaker 1>man that knows everything is Nick Bryant. He's a veteran

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<v Speaker 1>investigative journalist, widely regarded, holding a PhD. In all things Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to about twenty oh five, when these matters began,

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<v Speaker 1>you might recall US Attorney Alex Acosta kind of unt

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<v Speaker 1>easy on Epstein in twenty eight part of the Bush administration.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that Acostas said that there was someone up

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<v Speaker 1>higher in the food chain or him to back off.

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<v Speaker 1>You only two possibilities for Bush forty three or the

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<v Speaker 1>or Gonzales, the Attorney General Alberto himself. That began in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty oh eight. This's been going off nearly twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And first of all, Nick Brian, welcome, I think for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time to the Bill Cunningham show. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to number one, which what led you to investigate Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein when so few others around the world were paying

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<v Speaker 1>any attention going back almost twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>I started investigating Jeffrey Epstein in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason I did that is I published.

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<v Speaker 2>A book in twenty oh nine twenty ten about a

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<v Speaker 2>nationwide pedophile network that was covered up by federal authorities.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we see with Epstein, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>carbon copy.

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<v Speaker 3>In many ways of the network that I reported on.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the same as far as children being flown

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<v Speaker 2>around the country and pandered to berry power for individuals,

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<v Speaker 2>and also an intelligence connection and blackmail.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, well I could ask you, as it's still ongoing.

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<v Speaker 1>I pray to god it isn't. But Jeffrey Epstein received

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<v Speaker 1>a sweetheart deal like in twenty oh eight for serious misbehavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about p Diddy situations. It was awful. And why

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<v Speaker 1>did Jeffrey Epstein in twenty oh eight get a sweetheart

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<v Speaker 1>deal when it came to trafficking children for sex. Why

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<v Speaker 1>was the deal so easy on Jeffrey Epstein In twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>The Department of Justice knew about had a list of

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four Jeffrey Epstein victims.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got that list, but they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were aware of forty underage Jeffrey Epstein victims and Alexander Acosta,

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<v Speaker 2>and he alluded to this, was told that he had

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<v Speaker 2>to stand down from prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>was intelligence. And as you also said, there's only two

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<v Speaker 2>people in the and that was in two of seven.

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<v Speaker 2>There's only two people in the country that can tell

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<v Speaker 2>a US attorney to stand down. One is the Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>General and one is the president. And there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>the Attorney general is going to cover up a nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>pedophile network without his boss saying cover it up. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's when the cover up with Jeffrey Epstein started. That

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<v Speaker 2>we can definitively prove.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I do not think currently there's much thought

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<v Speaker 1>about George Bush forty three is covering up a nationwide

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<v Speaker 1>pedophile network involving one Jeffrey Epstein. To me, that's somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Bush and Cheney. Why in the hill

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<v Speaker 1>would Bush slash Cheney cover up the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the motivation?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that they were protecting They were protecting very

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<v Speaker 2>powerful people. But I believe that they were protecting a

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<v Speaker 2>political system that's ripe with blackmail, and Americans are very

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<v Speaker 2>naive about that. And actually there was a there's a

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<v Speaker 2>city and US congressman from Tennessee. His name is Tim Burchett,

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<v Speaker 2>and he came out about a year and a half

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<v Speaker 2>ago and he said, my colleagues are being compromised in

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<v Speaker 2>honey traps, and that has been the case. Political blackmail

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<v Speaker 2>is as old as our republic itself. So they're protecting

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<v Speaker 2>a system of blackmail, which I think is even more

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<v Speaker 2>important than protecting the number of these very powerful props.

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<v Speaker 1>Hasn't Bush forty three gotten away? Shall we say? Without

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<v Speaker 1>remarks or criticisms about this, I would say, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would ask him he doesn't give interviews anymore, he would

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<v Speaker 1>say I don't know anything about that. He would simply

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<v Speaker 1>ignore it. Is there any objective evidence, like emails about

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<v Speaker 1>these orders given to Acosta? The age to stand down

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<v Speaker 1>is simply a word of mouth that somehow somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>the White House made a telephone call in twenty oh

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<v Speaker 1>eight to Acosta in Miami to stand down. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>any hard evidence there was any connection between Bush forty

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<v Speaker 1>three and Jeffrey Epstein any connection.

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<v Speaker 2>There isn't a direct connection. But Bush's father was actually

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<v Speaker 2>his administration covered up the Franklin network, and his attorney

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<v Speaker 2>general was William Barr, And William Barr was Trump's first

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<v Speaker 2>attorney general, and he covered up the Epstein networks. And

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't a definitive voicemail.

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<v Speaker 3>There isn't a definitive email. But as I said, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked to legal scholars about this, because I really

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be right, the only people, the only two

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<v Speaker 2>people that can tell a US attorney to stand down

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<v Speaker 2>is the Attorney general and the president.

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<v Speaker 1>And it happened. What sentence did Jeffrey Epstein receive and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight that was far different than other pedophile sexual

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<v Speaker 1>e forgursive children received? What kind of sentence that Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>received in twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>He was sentenced to eighteen months in the county jail.

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<v Speaker 2>He served thirteen months, and he was actually able to

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<v Speaker 2>go out during the day and molest underage girls. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he was ostensibly incarcerated, and then he had his little

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<v Speaker 2>wing of the jail fixed up like the TAIJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Mahon.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying, while in the county jail, he's given

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<v Speaker 1>like work release to go out and molest children.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, absolutely, How's that possible?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've heard how's it possible that that could

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<v Speaker 1>happen in Miami? I guess this would be like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine to twenty ten. How is it possible he could

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<v Speaker 1>do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how is it possible that the federal government could

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<v Speaker 2>have a list of thirty four victims that he molested?

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<v Speaker 2>Anderdon got molested, didn't only do eighteen months in a

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<v Speaker 2>county jail? I mean, how is that?

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<v Speaker 3>And the Feds knew at forty victims?

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<v Speaker 2>So how is that possible that he the most prolific

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<v Speaker 2>child molester. I believe that's ever been acknowledged by federal

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<v Speaker 3>How is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>It's because the strings were pulled at the apex of

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<v Speaker 2>power to allow him to walk essentially unmolesting all those

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<v Speaker 2>unraged girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, Nick Bryant, I would assume by twenty ten, Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Astein was done with his sentence or so. He then

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<v Speaker 1>spent the next many many years flying around the world

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<v Speaker 1>Lolita Island. This is a convicted pedophile. You would think

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<v Speaker 1>he would be like radioactive, nobody would want to be

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<v Speaker 1>with him at all. But during this time frame from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten to twenty nineteen when he killed himself, is

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<v Speaker 1>it true he was out doing exactly the stuff he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing before, but on steroids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't even a speed bump for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>the upper.

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<v Speaker 3>Echelon still community.

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<v Speaker 2>The former CI director William Burns actually visited him a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times at his house, and we know about

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Gates and Sergey Brand, a founder of Google. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't even a speed bump. But the government is

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<v Speaker 2>saying now is that Jeffrey Epstein didn't pander a single child.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's really really egregious.

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<v Speaker 2>With that memo that came out last week that nobody

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<v Speaker 2>would sign. I mean, no one in the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>was going to take a fall for that memo. But

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<v Speaker 2>that memo said that Jeffrey Epstein molested over a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>underage girls by himself. Now I do agree with the

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<v Speaker 2>memo that that part anyway, that he did molest over

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand underage girls by himself, but the memo also

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<v Speaker 2>said that he didn't pander the girls and blackmail.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't involved home. So what was Jeffrey Epstein doing on

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<v Speaker 3>his island?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he just going to his island and drinking martinis

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<v Speaker 2>and then flying back.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole thing is absurd. And then with Dlayne Mashwell,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying Epstein acted alone, But then Dlainne Maxwell is in

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<v Speaker 2>prison and Dahlayne Mashwell was indicted on two.

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<v Speaker 3>Conspiracies e noone else was indicted.

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing is happening with Diddy right now because

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<v Speaker 2>there were multiple people involved with Diddy's criminal enterprise. So

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<v Speaker 2>the elite have a very different judicial system than you.

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<v Speaker 1>Or me, Nick Briant. How did Jeffrey Epstein get all

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<v Speaker 1>of his money? One estimate was a half a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not have a college education, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>lived the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Where did

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein get hundreds of millions of dollars from? Where

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<v Speaker 1>did the money come from?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Less Wechner gave him power of attorney over his empire,

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<v Speaker 2>and less Wexner was the CEO of El Brands, which

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<v Speaker 2>owned Victoria's Secret and Tommy Helpeger. He's a billionaire and

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein could do anything he wanted with that money. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is how the mainstream media has been so disingenuous.

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<v Speaker 2>Vanity Fair actually had an article that addressed this, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said that Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein power of

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<v Speaker 2>attorney over his billions.

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<v Speaker 3>Was because he was lonely. And then and this is

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<v Speaker 3>another this is another good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Leon Black, who was the head of Apollo Management, another billionaire,

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<v Speaker 2>and another individual that was Jeffrey Epstein was pandering underage

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<v Speaker 2>girls too.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave Jeffrey Epstein one hundred and sixty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were multiple media outlets that reported that the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why Leon Black, allionaire gave Jeffrey Epstein one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty million dollars was because Jeffrey Epstein was helping

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<v Speaker 2>him with his taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Great guy, one, I don't believe any of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe I'd be your friend for one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty one million dollars. He's got to provide some services

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<v Speaker 1>of some type commensurate with the value given. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>lived the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Well, why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't Maxwell she Exlaine Maxwell, the top deputy of Jeffrey Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>is serving like twenty years in federal prison in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Florida. If she knew incriminating information against anyone

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<v Speaker 1>of the rich and fame is not named, why wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>she disgorge that information to save her own hide?

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<v Speaker 2>For the same reason that Jeffrey Epstein is dead, It's

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<v Speaker 2>because she knows that entire network. And I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>she was told either you can talk, and well, if

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<v Speaker 2>you talk, you're going to end up like Jeffrey Epstein,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were going to push you in prison for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, and you're going to have to adjust to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was putting a very cush prison, and then

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<v Speaker 2>she was cycled into dormitory living, which is very rare

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<v Speaker 2>for relatively new inmates to live in dormitory living because

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<v Speaker 2>it's usually inmates that have been exemplary and are fairly

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<v Speaker 2>close to getting discharged from the prison.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's got to cush life and prison and she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to get all that money when she gets out.

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<v Speaker 2>So and the same thing happened in the Franklins gown.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote that book about the interstate child trafficking, and

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<v Speaker 2>there were two primary pedophilic pimps. One kept his bull

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<v Speaker 2>shut and did about ten years for financial crimes and

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<v Speaker 2>then he had a no show job waiting for him

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<v Speaker 2>at a BM BMW dealership in Alexandria, Virginia, so he

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<v Speaker 2>was taking care of And the other one was much

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<v Speaker 2>like Epstein. He had a big ego and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been hard for him to deal with prison,

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<v Speaker 2>and he committed suicide. So I think that I think

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<v Speaker 2>that Dwayne Maxwell was given Door one in door two,

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<v Speaker 2>Dor one.

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<v Speaker 3>She keeps them all shed and does some time door too.

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<v Speaker 3>She ends up like Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you what. This is used by the

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<v Speaker 1>media now to drive a wedge between Mega supporters and

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump himself. Can you predict in the next few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks or months, what's going to come out of this

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<v Speaker 1>thing or is it simply going to die on the vine.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see this dying on the vine. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>what the Trump administration is doing. It's covering up a.

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<v Speaker 2>For thousands of girls that were molested, well over a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand girls that were molested, and it's line it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Jeffrey Epstein didn't pander any of these girls, that.

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<v Speaker 3>That there was no blackmail involved. I mean, no one

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<v Speaker 3>believes that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there are some hardcore mega people that are

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<v Speaker 2>living in extreme but no one else believes that.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is something. When the Trump administration said that

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<v Speaker 3>they were going.

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<v Speaker 2>To release the Epstein files, they put a white elephant

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<v Speaker 2>in the living room, right, and they thought that they

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<v Speaker 2>could kill the white elephant with the memo that was

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<v Speaker 2>released last week saying that Jeffrey Epstein acted alone, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That killed the elephant.

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<v Speaker 2>But now the elephant is still in the living room,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's really starting to stink.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's see what happens. It's a fascinating tale. And

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<v Speaker 1>this makes p did he look like he committed misdemeanors

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<v Speaker 1>compared to what Jeffrey Epstein did for what from at

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<v Speaker 1>least twenty oh six, probably be well before that to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein traffic miners for twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've started an nonprofit organization called Epstein Justice, and

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<v Speaker 2>your listeners can go to Epstein Justice dot com and

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to be part of the solution.

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<v Speaker 3>If they really want to get justice for all.

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<v Speaker 2>These victims and want the government to come clean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we're about. And so I would suggest that you

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<v Speaker 2>and your listeners go to Epstein Justice dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Nick Brian, investigative Journalists, thanks for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. The truth will set us all free.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth will set us free. And Nick Brian, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on the show. And may God bless you

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<v Speaker 1>and God bless America. Nick, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's continue with more. There you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to say, Dwight General. I would

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<v Speaker 1>trust Cash Betel and Dan Bongino, and I would trust Bambondi.

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<v Speaker 1>But this thing has me in turmoil because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who to believe. I don't know who to trust.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a bunch of girls were victimized, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>as many known thirty four to forty, but the reporting

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<v Speaker 1>is close to one thousand over twenty five years, and

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<v Speaker 1>while in jail, he was released on work release to

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<v Speaker 1>go have sex with girls. Unbelievable. Bill Cunningham News Radio

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred Wow.