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Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome to the show, Mark Hodges.
Speaker 3: Hey do Mark, Oh, I'm doing perfect. Thanks Alex. I
monored to be on your show. Thanks for inviting me,
and I've been looking forward to this interview for quite
some time.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it dot's take a couple of minutes to get
onto the show nowadays, but I do appreciate you coming on, man,
and I'm looking forward to talking about your unique experiences
that you've had in your life and sharing them with
the audience. My first question is, what was your life
like before you had your near death experience.
Speaker 3: I had a military career before my professional career. In
civilian life, I was in the air. I was in
the Air Force, but I worked for the NSSA. They
would call my job now nowadays they would say, I'm
my job was a what's now called an intelligence analyst,
but back then we didn't call that, but uh, that
was really who I worked for it was n ESSAY
and the Defense Intelligence Agency. It was run by the Army,
by the way, And then I did that for four
tours of duty, did the whole Pacific rim and you
could say I was involved in communications technologies, anything having
to do with electromagnetic waves, which really prime me to
understand all the paranormal stuff that was happening and would
happen in my life from there on. It was very
important concept to know is how all these waves are
moving all through the universe and all around us. We
could get into lay lines and all that stuff, but
it's really I realized that I had been grooned my
whole life to understand that part of all this. So
I could put the pieces together to tell you, tell
you all how I see things, how they work in
the universe, at least some of it. Still have questions
on how a lot of it works.
Speaker 2: But were you Were you spiritual before the near death experience?
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess you could say, not religious. Okay, So
so after I got out of the Air Force, I
became a software development manager for a major bank and
retired in two thousand and fourteen. Really not by choice.
I just became really sick in two thousand and eight,
and somehow managed to survive the retirement until I was
had enough rest of time in the company. I was
able to not work anymore at that time. But as
far as religion goes, so it's funny you mentioned that
because I mentioned this in a few other interviews I've had.
I grew up my family was a Seventh Day Adventue,
So have you ever heard of that religion before. So
an interesting doctrine of theirs is they don't believe you
have a soul. They believe we all share kind of
like a shared soul, and it's basically the Holy Spirit
they think. They say, when you die, the Holy Spirit
returns to heaven and then you just stay in the
ground and are resurrected when Jesus comes again. That's the
basic premise of the religion. And of course the seventh
part of it, it's just stay worship on Saturday, just like
Muslims and Jewish people, because that was one of the
ten commandments. So, knowing growing up in that religion, I
had no idea that there ever was such a thing
as a near death experience or out of body experience,
or even that I had a soul. It wasn't until
really in my near death experience I even comprehended that,
and so so yes, it's spiritual for sure. I've always
been searching for this mysterious angel for lack of a
better term, that disappeared in front of my eyes when
I was eleven years old. So you can consider me
one of the very og ghost hunters because I was
always searching for this. How this happened, like there was
a there was an angel or a helper or a
guide or whatever that materialized in our world and helped
my uncle and I out of a really tough situation
when I was eleven years old. And when when that
all finished, he just van literally he just vaned. Him
in his car that we were in just vanished in
front of my eyes. And I don't know who else,
if anybody saw that. But and so my whole life
I was searching for what that could be, who that was?
How could he just vanish into thin air? And so
spiritual maybe not like in a big sense, but I
knew there had to be something bigger than.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 3: Then we know in this I called this an illusion
now since net experience, because it basically is an illusion.
Speaker 1: We're living well I didn't been talked about in you know,
the Vedic texts in India, the the Great Illusion, the
Great Dream, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't delved into a lot of the ancient
Indian writings yet like you have, but those are definitely
on my list. A matter of fact, that's the whole
premise of my channel is to learn or remember, I say,
I call learning remembering now to remember all the different
languages that we already know in our DNA, through all
the lives that we're living right now while we're living
this life. I know that's to some people who have
never heard of this concept, apologize, but it's a lot
for this brain or ill. I call our brain a
spirit trap, just like the Ghostbusters. You have those little traps. Yeah,
that's our brain.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you want to start making heads explode,
Just tell everybody that there is no past life, there
is no future life.
Speaker 2: It's happening at the exact same.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I always tell I told everybody that
because I experienced that when I died.
Speaker 1: So we've hinted about this, what happened, what happened in
the day of your new death experience, what led up
to it?
Speaker 3: So I was in surgery number five of thirteen, and
my last two surgeries I had, I was in a coma.
So we might want to touch on base with that
one at the end, maybe to show the difference between
two possible near death experiences. One I was in a
coma and didn't know I was in a coma when
I woke up in the middle of it and a
point where a quantum entanglement or something happened in the
operating room and I came out of my body. So
those are two separate animals. You can't really lump those
into the same category. But it's very interesting that I
had both of them. So I can come back and
tell you guys about it. So tell us, okay. So
the first surgery, the surgery the Inde first India, happened
about a decade to go, about twelve years ago now,
and I had surgery. They opened me all the way
up from my like my sterno area, all the way
down past my belly button, and they had to they
put this mission side me. You know that. I'm sure
you've seen all the commercials on TV about all the
lawsuits and all this stuff. Well I'm one of those victims.
But of course, the company that made my mesh wasn't
part of those major class action suits, so maybe one
day I'll see some kind of compensation. But it put
my life through hell for over a decade. Now I'm
still not right because of it. I don't when they
took it out finally, they didn't replace it with anymore mesh.
They just and I said, well, what happens now, and
the surgeon goes, I don't know, and here we are
five years later. That was twenty seventeen. So anyway back
to the NDE when at some point.
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Speaker 3: Something stopped working in my body. I used to think
it was breathing, but I had a there was an
antent phusiologist that didn't think so she thought maybe it
was my heart stopped beating. So something happened and it
stopped me from stopped my bodily functions from doing whatever,
and I came out of my body. And that's that moment.
I came out through my head backwards, and it's sort
of I when I gave my interview, the first interview
ever about this, back in January to the on the
Jeff Marras Show. It feels, I said, It feels kind
of like you're in a pool and you got your
legs your feet up against the walls the side of
a pool, and then you push off, and that gliding
back motion is kind of how I felt when I
came out and mixed with the biggest kind of high
you could ever imagine. Like people call it love. It's
just the biggest feeling of warmth and love and everything's
gonna be all right, kind of feeling right. And so
I did this. I kind of kind of slid back,
glided back kind of at an upward angle from my body,
and I was looking down at myself for a while,
and I was trying to tell them I didn't want
to go back to that body, like stop trying to
save me, you know, because I had been in so
much pain and misery for the five years before that
that I was done. I was at the end of
my rope at that point, I just didn't want to
go on anymore. And so after a little while after,
you know, they couldn't hear me. That was really frustrating
for me. But eventually I got like a tractor beam
would suck you back. I got sucked back into one
of the outlets electrical outlets in the operating room of
the hospital. And because of that, I now know that
our soul or spear body, whatever you want to label it,
it runs on alternating current, or there is alternating current
associated with oursal I can tell you that it's very important.
And so anyway, I once I got inside one of
those prongs in the outlet, I went, I shot really fast,
like through this long tunnel slash wormhole. It was more
like a wormhole like in a Star Trek movie or something,
or like in Contact when you see going through all
those wormholes. It was. It looked exactly like that, except
the difference is I was going faster than light. I
don't I know that it doesn't seem possible, but even
Franco Romero we were talking about he told me that
it was one of your earlier guests you had on
Beck in May. He told me that there are much
faster forms of energy than light, and so call it gravity,
whatever you want to call it. I was in it,
and I was going faster than light, and I just
remember just seeing colors that I've never seen before, sparkling everywhere,
and It's just kind of like going on a ride
in the music park, the best ride you've ever been
on for the first time. Kind of terrified, but yet
you know everything was going to be okay. And then
at some point, I don't know, I don't know how
long that was in our time, but when that when all,
when the tunnels stopped, when the wormholes stopped, everything just went.
All the light and everything that I had been passing
sort of all caught up with me boom like that.
And when that, when that happened, I was in a bathroom,
and I knew that I was dead on the operating
table in Tampa, Florida. But where I was in this
bathroom was San Diego, California, but not this San Diego.
It was a different San Diego. And I don't know
how to tell you how I knew that. It's just
something I knew, okay, things when you're out of your body.
I can see why our brains are designed the way
they're designed, because when you're out of your body or
in between lives, I guess you could call it, there
is kind of no time or space. So it's hard
to say how long I was actually dead on the
oppering table for it could have been seconds, maybe, but
in this time it went on for years and years
and centuries. I know it sounds like I'm a crazy person,
but this is exactly what I experienced. And so in
this bathroom, I looked in the mirror. I was looking
in the mirror when I stopped in this wormhole, and
I at first I thought I was kind of like
a fly on the wall. I was experiencing somebody else.
I was observing somebody else's life because I knew I
was dead on the oppering table. So I was like, Okay,
so I don't know what this is, but let's real
roll with it, this kind of thing. And eventually I
realized that I was controlling the body of the face
looking in the mirror. I'm like, how is this possible?
And you know, then I started touching myself and I
was like, how is this possible? Because I was looking
at a kid in the mirror. I was like sixteen
years old in that one, and imagine I was trying
to figure this out. And so that was the first
life I was able to experience. And I was able
to experience that life for a couple of years from
like when I was sixteen until I was eighteen in
my life, and I realized while I was experiencing this,
I figured out I understood a lot of things. It
took a while. I'm not even sure how long it took.
A lot of this is story when you come back
to this brain. A lot of the details of all
this kind of go by the wayside. But the most
important thing for me to know about that experience was
that this life was connected to this life, the one
I'm talking to you right now, and the things that
I was experiencing in that life mattered to this life,
and vice versa. And then once I understood the reason
for that life, I've moved on to another life. And
this has kept happening like dominoes, one life after the other,
after an after so many, so many, I lost track
of how many life.
Speaker 1: Are they also, so when you kept jumping from life
to life, they were in different realities. If you said,
alternate alternate timelines.
Speaker 3: If you will, Yeah, and some I would even say,
are what I call I call sandbox lives now, like
there's like lives within lives, like or kind of test
bad lives. Think of it that way. I know it's weird,
but so imagine. I always tell people now after the
fact that our thoughts are so important you can't even
imagine how important they are. Like, we are really creators.
Whatever we think happens. It may not happen in front
of you in this life, but it happened somewhere. And
that's why these test bed lives are set up. Things
that you do get tested. They'll say, you're thinking about
doing something you probably shouldn't be doing. That actually happens,
whether it be you know, whether you're drinking and driving
or want to kill somebody or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to go rob a bank, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And all these things happen, they get carried
up and which I want to get into this maybe
later if we had time. There's so much to talk about.
I could just spend our whole interview is just on
one of these lives, just to tell you about all that.
Speaker 2: And now we're all these lives.
Speaker 1: We're all these lives that you were being thrown into.
Speaker 3: Now I wasn't thrown into him. I was already there.
Speaker 1: And then right, so you're but you kept popping into
other lives, you said, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of It kind of reminded me of a Christmas
Carol right with screws. It takes a trip with you know,
the spirits of Christmas past President.
Speaker 1: It's almost it sounds like quantum leap. It almost sounds
like quantum leap ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I call that quantum I call I call it
a quantum clock. Now, we all have a quantum clock,
if you will. So every so, a second here seems
kind of fast to us, but in many other dimensions,
a second is a long time.
Speaker 1: Well that's like an interstellar, Like an interstellar where when
they go down to the planet, fifteen minutes to them
turned out to be like thirty years.
Speaker 2: Right for the guy up in the That's exactly what
I experienced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I experienced this.
Speaker 1: I know its time is very relevant. Depend the time is.
We can have a conversation about time.
Speaker 3: A lot of people think there's no time outside of
this dimension, but I don't think so. I think there are.
There is somewhat of a time in dimensions. Outside of dimensions,
that's another story.
Speaker 1: So, okay, so you're jumping from or experiencing life to life.
I'm assuming they're different people. Sometimes you're a guy, sometimes
you're a girl. Some cultures, so you're just jumping and
experience in different lives during this whole process. As you
continue to do this in this NDE. Is there any
other Is there any other guide? Is there any other entity?
Is there anything else that you feel even if you
can't see it or you're just being thrown into multiple lifetimes.
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Speaker 3: One thing I knew for sure is that there is
this greater force. I call it the infinite One. Now
you know, you could call it God or source. Some
people call it source. I've never heard that term until
I started doing these interviews, and now here all the
time source. So what people call source, I call the
infinite One, which is basically you and me. You and
me are part of this source, a part of this
infinite One. We all make it up. And when somebody
says we we have higher selves, I even believe I've
heard others say this too. I believe that we all
share that higher self. There is not an individual Highers
And but go back to Franko again. He has so
many good things I learned from him. Like he said,
you can you can be a drop of drop of
a drop of water, can survive without an ocean, but
an ocean can't survive without a drop of water. That's
sort of how he can look at our souls and
how they operate. We're all experiencing separate experiences, but there's
something bigger on the other side that's receiving that experience, right, some.
Speaker 2: Main frame, the acastic records, if you will.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly so, coming from an IT background, I relate
a lot to what I experienced in those kind of terms,
Like you're right, imagine the kind of computing power that's
necessary to make this whole record thing reality. For example,
whenever you have a deja vu moment, I figured out
how that works. Okay, So from this experience, So when
you have that feeling like, oh my god, I have
never been here before, but yet I know I haven't,
so how is that possible? Well, that's because about a
millisecond ago, or even shorter than that, you were already
there or would be there. And this happens over and
over and over and over and over. And this is
how the timelines go on. There's just not one moment
in time. There's just that keeps going over and over
until something stops it. So this is where I'm at
lately and my understanding I'm trying to right now. I've
learned that talking or channeling our our future self and
our past self, there is a way to change timelines.
Oh yeah, and I've been sort of teaching people what
I've been thinking lately about that.
Speaker 1: All right, So you're jumping from your quantum, leaping from
from a different from different lifetimes and different and different
I guess timelines. But they're all on Earth, right, they're
all different San Diegos.
Speaker 2: They might do different New York. Oh no, they're not.
Speaker 3: So you're going galaxies other places. Yeah, other places that
I don't even know how to describe it, like, yeah,
there's places, different bodies, different atmospheres, different all kinds of
things are happening. We're living at the same time. And
so I I still have questions, you know, I when
you come back to this, your mind, just our mind
is designed for us to forget all that, okay, when
we come here and we're over, when we come to
another body. But one of the biggest questions I haven't
answered yet is in at what point do we decide
or just something else decide for us when to inhabit
another body, for example.
Speaker 2: Because I incarnate, incarnate, yeah.
Speaker 3: Incarnate right, yeah, And I don't remember incarnating in this body,
but a lot of my autistic friends do, and they
told me that we all I always choose our mother,
and we know while we came here, et cetera, et cetera.
I knew why I came here, but I didn't really
know that until I was two years old, or I
didn't remember until I was two two years old, I
told my parents why I came here because I had
to deliver a message of all humanity one day, an
important message, and I had to learn all the languages
on earth. So so.
Speaker 1: We're really quickly think so as as you're jumping from
from lifetime to lifetime in different timelines, what happens at
the end of this quantum leaping, if you will.
Speaker 3: Nothing happens. I just there was there was a point
when I got to right before I came back into
this body, and I don't know how long it was
from that point until the time I woke up in
the recovery room, because I was back into general Anesesia
at that point. So I don't remember that. But what
was what I was, what I remember, what I was
experience and sying at the before I came back was
I got to see a place where we're all going,
call it heaven. But it wasn't seen with eyes. It
was feeling. It was a feeling I got and I
was at a distance from it, like, but I can
tell you this place has a lot. There's a new
type of love we're going to learn about or interacting
and it's remember remember, yeah, we're already in all these places.
And that's why when I talk about astral projection and
stuff nowadays, it's really we're not traveling anywhere. We're already
everywhere because basically everything has a black hole, and that's
how we travel. We travel through black holes. That's how
it works. And really I think the black the word
black hole is kind of a misnomer. It's really more
like a game way or a portal. That's what they are,
a portal time, if you will, time and space. But
what I experienced was that that's the last thing I
experienced was where we're all going. And that's that was
part of my message to bring back to you all,
was to tell you it's there's something so amazing that
I can't express it in any language. I don't have
words for it. But it's an amazing and it's already here.
It's already here all around us right now. And call
it heaven on earth, whatever you want to call it.
It's everywhere, and we can't experience it until we are
vibrating at that frequency. Put it that way, And that
is part of what I'm learning about, is how to
I just found out like a month ago that we
could walk through portals on this earth, in this realm
with our bodies.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that, MD.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of that before. I didn't know that
was even possible.
Speaker 1: So okay, so you you're jumping in at the end,
you're kind of on the way out of this space,
going back to your body, you see heaven or lack
of a better.
Speaker 3: Word, I feel it.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel you feel it, and then you
get kind of what slammed back into you or you
just wake up in your body.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't even experience. I don't even remember coming
back to my body at all. I just remember waking
up in the recovery room. At some point after that experience.
I had feeling that next place we're all going to
and we're talking about like a thousand year span of
time that I was gone from here. I know that
sounds crazy, but I was able experienced lives like that
far ahead.
Speaker 2: And how much do you remember?
Speaker 3: Though? Details about every life a lot, But I'm still
remembering every day. I have dreams about places I've got
and I realized I was there, and then so I
need to I probably need to write start writing everything
down like, but I don't have time for that right
now because so many more important things are happening because
right now, so what I remember the most was the
reason for the lives more than the lives themselves. The
details those are kind of mundane details, but the lessons
of why I was in these other lives is more important.
You just can't imagine how connected we all are. It's
mind boggling, Like when you go to a restaurant, your
wife or something and you see all the people around you.
They are all connected to you. And when I the
first I think, I went to IHOP and I got
out of the hospital from that surgery, and my mind
was just going a million miles a second, and it
took me about a month for everything just to calm
down where I could cope here in this life.
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Speaker 3: Of all the things I experienced, I realized, oh my god.
The first thing I realized when I got back to
this body was I've wasted so much time in my life.
Wasted time. I'm talking about like even watching TV or
arguing with people. That's not important at all, all the
negative stuff, it's just it's a waste of time. Like
next time, even one of your your viewers are having
a bad day or something, and try to turn that
bad day into something positive. Because energy doesn't die. We
just go to change it to a positive energy. That's
really the that's really the secret to this life, mastering
this life is love is really all that matters here. Really,
that's why. And it's not really the forgivenes learning to
love and forgive. Just in the last eight months, I've
learned that it's not those things that we have to master,
it's it's what it's the vibration that those things generate,
Like being grateful. Being grateful is a higher vibration than love.
Being grateful, that's being grateful for everything you have, for
every soul. We have to learn how to love every
soul in our heart. I mean, think about how difficult
that is. You know, doesn't mean we have to be
best friends, but said I'm Hussan or something like that.
But we have to forgive everybody because and that's another
thing I had a problem with when I came back,
was I still haven't got a straight answer to this.
Why doesn't I asked a lot of preachers this in
my town I was in at the time. I said,
how why doesn't God loved the devil? Jesus? Why does
it Jesus forgive the devilin if we're supposed to do
the same thing on our.
Speaker 2: Level, Why isn't that a good question?
Speaker 3: And this is what I think like now, I try
to think outside the box as much as I can,
because that's what it's all about. It's about changing our
vibration and here on this planet. And this is one
of many plants. Oh my god, yeah, we have other
These are his suits. These bodies are suits. And every
system has its own atmosphere, and we have suits that
are built for that atmosphere. For example, we breathe methane
in some places as our oxygen. There you know, it's
just different.
Speaker 1: But well, let me ask you when you came back though,
Mark you, how did you deal with this ethologically?
Speaker 2: Did you just accept this right away? Or did you
just like, what the hell happened?
Speaker 3: But it this way? Okay? So this was like two
thousand and twelve, twenty eleven twelve when it's happened. It
was the very beginning of twenty twelve, if I remember,
like I think, it was February ninth, twenty twelve when
this event happened. So it's taken me eleven years now
to finally come out with my story because it's taken
me that long how to process all this. I'm still processing,
but now I've gotten to a certain point when I
think it's time to kick it into another higher gear now.
But that's not why I came out and said anything
at all. It just it was a circuit. The reason
I came out when I did was a divine intervention.
How I even met Jeff Reynolds, It's just that's a
whole nother story itself. But actually my YouTube channel Old Scrolls,
like I said, it was like a play channel of
mine that I was going to teach ancient languages the
ones I know, and then learn other languages with my subscribers,
and I was hoping that it would stir something inside
their still their soul, so they will remember another life
they're living, or like I did when I had my indeed,
because when I was twenty years old, now this is
back in nineteen ninety, I was on a bus in
Honolulu and I was stationed there in the Air Force,
and I saw these four Japanese role reading this map
on the bus and they were really they looked really
upset and really low. And when I looked down at
their map, Now this is this would be twenty two
years before my end the year. Okay, so back then,
I didn't know anything about indies or nothing like that
back then. But when I looked at their map they
were looking at it was written in characters all over
the map, and I had this deja vu moment. At
that point I knew that I knew that language. I knew.
I don't know how I knew that, like kind of
like a child prodigy, you said, them at a piano
when they're like three years old and they just start
playing this big concerto whatever. That's sort of the moment
I had that that really exact second. So after later
on that day I went to the University of Hawaii
and I got a book on Japanese characters. And when
I was flipping through this book, all these memories started
coming back to me. But I didn't understand how that
was even possible and back then and and so I
actually enrolled in a Japanese class in Waikiki. And when
I when I took the entrance test, my sinse gave me.
She gave me an oral test, which I didn't understand
a word she said. But when she gave me a
written test, I actually wrote in Japanese. Can you imagine? Wow?
I actually wrote. And when I got to Japan after
that tour, I went to Japan for anunther tour duty
and the people there said that I wrote like the
ancient ones. Yeah. So in my India, I experienced a
life when I was a woman in Japan a long
time ago. This is back in like the feudal lord days,
and that life was connected with this life in a
lot of ways. So there I had to learn forgiveness
in a very hard way because I had like four
brothers and they were all killed, and so I became
like one of them. I wanted to get revenge for
their deaths. So I used to dress like a guy
in a warrior outfit and to go.
Speaker 2: Move long style. Yeah, move long style.
Speaker 3: Right, kind of like the last Samurai type of deal.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. Then, you said you had
a second near death experience. How did that differ from
this one?
Speaker 3: So this was my last two surgeries. This is twenty seventeen,
and I was just visiting some friends in Nashville or
north of Nashville that year, and on Christmas Eve, I
was taken by ambulance down to Nashfield to the hospital,
and that's how it all started. So basically, this mesh
got infected inside me. They didn't know it at that time,
but the mesh got all entangled with my insides and
they had to open me up again. So they did
the first surgery. It was kind of like an exploratory
surgery because they didn't know exactly what was wrong. And
so the next thing I did was I woke up
and a lot of pain. You know, every time I
hit the button on that pain pump, nothing happened. I
was just I kept getting in worse pain and worse pain.
And then finally I developed this thing called what they
called a fish fillow, which is a fancy term for
a tunnel. A tunnel developed inside me, which wasn't good,
so they had to put me out out. But I
didn't know that they were going to do that. I
didn't know that they were going to put me in
a cometo state. So so at some point after that
second surgery, they just took all the mesh out of
me during that surgery and they put me in a coma. Well,
I woke up in the coma while I was out,
and I know why exactly, because I'm in medical terms
of what they call an outlier like it takes a
lot more propofilo, for example, they have to give me
to put me all the way out. And these arenes physiologists.
They always don't believe me when I tell them every
surgery I've had there. You know, it's hard to tell
them things because they don't like people non doctors to
give them advice. Happens every time. It happens every time
I try to tell them, you need to give me
more of this than that, because I'm going to wake
up in excruciating pain if you don't, because it just
takes more. For some reason, with my metabolism, I have
red hair jeans. That's part of another doctor told me
later on. Anyway, so I woke up in this coma
because they didn't give me enough medication or whatever. They
were giving me fentanyl, which is toxic to most people.
But like if if Michael Jackson had had my metabolism,
he would still be alive today, guarantee. Or this this
overdosing because of fintanyl fincannel doesn't even work on me
at all at all. You can give me I views
of it and it doesn't do anything to me.
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Speaker 3: So that's what That's one of the main drugs they
were given me in my I had two central lines
in my neck and they when I found out that
after the fact, I said, you got to switch me
from that. I don't respond to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you so you woke up in the coma
or did you? Or did you woke up in the coma?
And then where's the experience? Where's the ND?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I didn't know. So when I woke up,
the first thing I saw was I was in this
dark void if you will, like or a dark hallway
and at the very end of this black kind of
like tunnel, and I've heard I've heard a lot of
people talk about this called and they call it the void.
I believe I was in this void, whatever that is. Now.
Some of the doctors after I came out of this
experience said that I had what's called delirium. I couldn't
remember that word during my interview with Jeff, but I
remembered that like a few minutes after that interview got done,
it was delirium. So doctors sometimes just chalk it up
to deliriums, which I guess I don't know. I've never
really researched delirium a lot, but I guess that implies
like you're having some kind of action. But to me,
it was no hallucination, Like I was totally wide away
because I'm talking to you right now, just like in
my astral projection experiences, which maybe we could talk about
on another interview another day, because those are more profound
than my near death experience. Is my astral projection experiences
because I learned how to do it after my near
death experience. I wanted to prove that you could do
it because so many people that told me about it
they said, Mark, you don't have to die to experience
what you experience. And that's what got me into astral
projection after that.
Speaker 2: So you walk up in the void, look up in
this void.
Speaker 3: What's going on here? Because the last thing I knew
I was an excrucinating pain and I was on my
hospital floor and they just started shooty stuff from my
IV and that's the last thing I remember until this moment.
So I didn't know I had gone through another surgery.
I didn't know any of that. I just knew that
I was in this black kind of space and I
saw this little tiny light way up. I mean it
seemed like maybe like three football fields of weight. It's
a real tiny point of light long way away, and
I'm like, oh my god, what is that? You know?
And so I sort of started kind of floating towards
that light a little bit. And then at some point
I guess I didn't know what it was. There was
like a lady on the other side of this little window.
It kind of reminds me that like a slit in
the door, like you would serve a traya a few
to somebody in prison. Right, It was little slits. It
was like a little slit like that. So I would
look to the slit, and there there was this lady
on this woman on the other side of that slit,
and she was trying to talk to me, but I
couldn't understand her. And and so this went on for
a while, a long while, and maybe I was just
in between worlds or something right there. That's probably the
delirium part. But then after that, everything started to get
real bright all around me. It was like I kind
of like I was in a blue sky, just a
three hundred and sixty three blue sky, and in front
of me were all these chrome outlined windows, and each
window sort of reminded me of a maybe a page
on your browser that has all the YouTube videos. That's
what they look like, but a lot cooler, a lot
more modern, really shiny chrome borders and all the videos.
And with my mind, I could just play with my
mind each one of these videos. And so there were
so many videos I didn't know which one to watch first,
so I just kind of started from the top left
and I kind of went just like I live on
YouTube or whatever, and each video kind of showed me
a little sliver of time in the future and sort
of recent past or kind of present. I didn't see
myself on the bed in a comba, though I thought
I was dead. After a while, I thought I had died. Okay.
I didn't know how else to think about it. But
I remembered my near death experience from five years earlier,
and I'm like, well, this is something totally different. So
am I dead? Because when I experienced the same thing
I experienced before, I was asking myself all these questions,
and I wasn't in a hurry to figure all this out.
I was very calm. I was in no pain whatsoever.
So I was disconnected from my nervous system somehow, whether
that be I don't know. I don't know the medical
ture analogy to tell you how it works scientifically. But
I was definitely disconnected from my nervous system because I
was feeling no pain like I did when I came
out of that. I didn't know I was intubated. I
didn't know any of that. Alls I could tell I
was in this field of windows at this point, and
so I at that point I thought, Okay, I'm going
to figure out why I died. Maybe one of these
videos will show me how I died, you know, so
I just started playing the videos and I kept watching
all of them over and over and over and over
and over, and I finally got to some well, this
one video, and they would always end. They weren't continuing
it continuous feeds. They were clips. Okay, now that I'm
learning how to edit videos, now I can I know
that terminal of you there. So these are clips. They
were not like live streams. There were quantum clips, I
guess you could call them, because some of them had
different outcomes depending on how many times I watched it,
if you can imagine that. So this one clip seemed
so I finally got to this one clip where it
gave me the closest I could get to seeing why
I had died. But then I figured out if I
kept if I played this other video with it, I
could get a different outcome or something like that. I
kept playing with the videos until I was trying to
investigate how all this was happening, why I was in
this state, or how I died. So it turns out
that this is how I learned about the clip onetum
clock a lot, because I learned that if I did
certain things in some of these other videos, it would
have an effect when I played these other videos in
the sequence I was watching them and seemed to be
important I found out. I found out kind of like
the accident. But then so I watched this one video,
then I watched another video, and I kept trying to
create a pattern where I could understand what had led
up to this. And I got to this one video
where I actually seemed like instead of stopping where it
normally stopped, it kept going and I figured out, okay, well,
and those other and the other pattern I watched these
in I did this, and that what if I do
this differently, maybe I'll live And sure enough, and that's
when I was starting to come out of that delirium
or whatever the doctor say it is. That's when I
just decided to fight to stay alive in this video.
So at this point the video went from a clip
to actual reality. I don't know how that's even possible.
So I knew my outcome before the outcome was even known.
Just like Einstein and others explained about how entanglement works,
it's really like that everything's known ahead of time.
Speaker 2: This is all happening at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yes, So that's what I experienced in my first indeed too,
I experienced future lives, past lives, and I realized it
was all connected to this present life. And so I
can tell you what I experienced was exactly that there
is no such thing as future or president. Like seventeen
seventy six when we became the United States of America,
that's still happening that same day, is happening right now.
Can you imagine that it's hard to understand now, I'm
realizing these moments, every moment in your life, keep happening
over and over and over and over until something stops
that moment or changes that moment.
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and now back to the show. So and then we're
going to just jump off here a second from the
New Death experience, because I think this concept is really
interesting to kind.
Speaker 2: Of dive into just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is that from what I've heard from different channels, even
spiritual masters, is that when there's a thought, and quantum physicists,
by the way, when there's a thought, you create any reality,
any timeline, and another new timeline and another new time,
and you're constantly jumping. Yeah, you're kind of jumping back
and forth between timelines based on what you think, because
we all have those thoughts, like in traffic and you're like,
I wish I could get out and beat the crap
out of that guy because he's just he's just being
he flicked me off something as stupid as that. Well,
in the timeline, that happened, and that started another because
of the of our power of our mind.
Speaker 3: So that all the leaps, it's forever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's an infinite amount of world. It's an
infinite amount of multi verses.
Speaker 2: If you will. It just continued. So it sounds like.
Speaker 1: From your first near death experience you got to travel
a little bit in that world, going from lifetime to
lifetime to lifetime and even in this the second end,
you were able to experience different points of a little
bit of the past, a little bit of the future
quote unquote, because.
Speaker 3: But it was more recent, it was really recent.
Speaker 2: It was close.
Speaker 1: It was within that realm to the point where you
caught up on the television and then the television on
the screen and that caught up to reality. So is
that how you jumped out of that near death experience
into your own into life where we are now?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly what happened. As matter of fact, Yes, I
saw ahead of time the outcome of me coming out
of it. That's how I knew I had a chance.
I knew I had a fifty to fifty shot. It
seemed right getting out. And I was like, because it
up until that point it had been torture, like they
had me on one of these. So after I there
was a point when I came out of all these,
when I came out of all those windows, I actually
went back into that field. Once they gave me more
stuff in my ear or whatever, I actually went back
to that window field. But there was a time when
I was just looking well, they put w washcloths on
my eyes all a lot, and I would have got
really mad and frustrated that they did that because then
I couldn't see anything in the room and they had
the Food Network in my on my TV in my room.
The whole time I was in this carline, which is
about a like a week, I had to listened to
this Food Network. And they give you this stuff called
TPNS like tertiary something. You put that in my central
line for my food. So I remember this nurse kept
coming in and say, okay, mister Hodges. This is your
cheese steak coming in right now or whatever, and then
or this is just got a nice piece of apple
pie coming through your ivy something but that you know,
that doesn't fill you up or satisfy you. But this
food Network was on the whole time, and I got
so mad.
Speaker 1: So you, but you came back out of it, and
then You've just been processing it for the last eleven years,
essentially dealing with it, investigating it. I'm just trying to
get an understanding of.
Speaker 2: Where it is.
Speaker 3: I tried telling this to a few of my family members,
and I just got rejected. Like my father died that
same year. Later on, he had a brain aneurysm and
he died really quickly. But the last conversation we had
in his life was o argument about my near death experience.
He thought it was from the devil.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously obviously I was always involved, right, Obviously
there's a demon, there's a devil.
Speaker 3: And my brother sisters chose us to stay in that religion,
so they're the same exact way. I can't talk to
him about any of this. And and really back then,
when I had ninety, it wasn't so receptive. Back then
either for the average person. So it's been kind of
a lonely life up till now. And now I found
out there's a lot of us that chose to meet here,
meet me here via that ship. The first podcast I
told my story on, I had all these people who
showed up my doorstep, and turns out we all decided
to come here at this time for something really important
and bigger than us. And that's why I'm on your
show right now, because this was all meant to be.
There are no such thing as coincidence. Was at all agreed?
Speaker 2: Agreed, There's no there's no question.
Speaker 1: And if you imagine, you know, ten years ago or
you know, twelve years ago, how how rough it is.
I had people on the show from the seventies and the.
Speaker 2: Sixties who had NDEs.
Speaker 1: Who can you imagine trying to have those?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, just I don't know how you are.
I'm fifty four. But so my whole growing up, my
whole teenage years and early adult we didn't have the
internet back then, you know, so.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't have it. I'm not that young, sir.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember three channels Saturday Night Cartoon.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well we had a fourth member that we
had the UHF.
Speaker 2: Channel, the UHF channel.
Speaker 3: We had the Little Bunny or Special Bunny.
Speaker 1: With some aluminum foil occasion, and we basically would just
on a bicycle.
Speaker 3: So you're playing my generation then.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit younger, but not too far. We've
walked over the same bodies, as they say, sir.
Speaker 3: Remember like when I was in the military. Even remember
trying to watch the Super Bowl. We were in one
of those skiffs where you know, and had no windows
or anything. So we one of us would volunteer to
hold up a wire leaning from the back of the
TV antenna thing like mcguy. Oh yeah, depending on where
you were standing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, get that? You get that?
Speaker 3: Come in?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean we sound like old farts here,
but yes, kids, if it's there, anyone anyone under forty
listening right now, are going what what?
Speaker 2: What? We live like savages?
Speaker 1: Basically we lived like savages essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember we got the first pong and I
remember when everything came out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pong, I remember. Yeah. I hadn't tell I
was fancy. I was fancy. I was a talent. I
got a tele mission.
Speaker 1: But Mark, thank you so much for sharing your story.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I know we could talk for hours about about this stuff,
but I hope that this conversation helps somebody else going
through it or just gives people an insight to what
were these ideas these concepts, because a lot of the
ideas you have, or a lot of the concepts that
are discussed in both your and near death experiences. It's
stuff that we talk about on the show all the time,
with quantum physicists, with spiritual masters, with channelers, with different
people from different walks.
Speaker 2: Of life around the world.
Speaker 1: And you know, again from my perspective being privy to
all of it, my perspective of talking to so many people,
the second you say something, I'm like, oh yeah, that
makes absolute sense because of this, this, this, this, and
it's oh yeah and this makes sense.
Speaker 3: Why I want to next time we talk, let's talk
about some of the after in these stuff that's happened,
especially this year, because I'm learning, so I'm just learning
that I'm a baby and so many of these things
that you have guests on talking about. But now I'm
all these light bulbs start to come on for me now,
like I'm starting to understand that, wow, we can really
change timelines and does that have a paradox effect. Like
one thing I want to really mention also that we
didn't get a chance to talk about is think about
think of think of dimensions that we live around as
like a Rubik's cube, okay, or have you ever seen
that movie The Cube where yeah, okay, the Cube Okay,
that's kind of how dimensions really work all the time.
Speaker 2: So well, Interstellar does that too. Interstellar has those kind
of you think.
Speaker 3: Like there's a change, a click in different directions and
that's how dimens has changed. And that's I don't know
how it'll works yet. I'm still figuring that out, but
there's so many layers to it. But that's happened. I
think that's why people have this Mandela effect example, and
I think that's kind of what's happening with us right now.
We're maybe coming into that crossing, that Milky Way equator.
I think that's what I think. That's I understand. Like
when they called the beer remember the whole the bureau
craze back in early two thousands, Well, I think that
they used to call it Planet of the Crossing, and
I thought it meant crossing into our solar system. But
I think now I understand that crossing is crossing the
Milky Way equator. I'm not our sour system. So I
think every twelve thousand years, on the way up, we
cross that equator and on the other side we cross
the equator and we go through this really magnetic electro
magnetic turbulence, and that couple with maybe that solar system
from our twins start coming into contact with our solar
system from that brief period and crossing through that crossing
at the same time, that's when things can really happen.
I think that's kind of like what's going on right now.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. And and since you mentioned the Mendela effect,
I have to ask you a few questions about the
Mendel effects. We have had a bunch of guests on
about me fascinating.
Speaker 2: It is one of my fasts.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, who was the person who was who was
the face of the publisher's clearing house when you were
a kid. We'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. Ed McMahon,
obviously it's Ed McMahon. It's obviously Ed McMahon. Ed McMahon
has never been part of it. Now they've they've never had,
they've never been associated with with with anything. That's never
Apparently he was part of family circle.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard this one.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: I've heard of magic mirror and all that stuff, but
I haven't heard this one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow your mind a little bit here, Mark,
this is just gonna be fun. Anyone's still listening, this
is just gonna blow your head, So prepare yourselves.
Speaker 2: Ed McMahon has never been a part of publisher's clearing house.
Speaker 1: He never was the guy handing checks with big balloons
at people's doors.
Speaker 3: Oh I remember, I could, if I could.
Speaker 1: There is millions of us who remember this. Okay, is
it jiff peanut butter or Jiffy peanut butter.
Speaker 3: That's another one that got me. Jiffy for sure, it's Jeff.
Speaker 1: It's never got heard that.
Speaker 3: But the one that get the guy gets me the
most is the magic mirror on the wall. Thing that
is Oh yeah, mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest
of them all?
Speaker 2: And and what is it? And what is it?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's near mirror, a magic mirror on the world.
Speaker 2: That's bs. That's bys. There's no men it's mayror mirror
on the wall. It's not magic mirror on the wall.
That makes no sense. Okay, Field of Dreams. Remember the
movie Field of Dreams.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard this one yet, all right, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay with Kevin Costner. Everyone is listening. Eighty nine Kevin
Costner The Dreams.
Speaker 3: Actually, the guy played Darth Dayer's voice is a member.
Speaker 2: James Earl Jones.
Speaker 3: Yes, so is it?
Speaker 2: What do they what do they say?
Speaker 1: What is the voice that he hears in the field.
If you build it, they will come.
Speaker 3: If you build it, they will come. No, what does
it say?
Speaker 2: Now watch the movie tonight and I will say, you
build it, he will come, he will come. But yes,
it's they will come.
Speaker 1: It is they will come, because it's the it's always
been they of course.
Speaker 2: Oh no, wait a minute, let's go. Let's go into
Star Wars. Star Wars.
Speaker 3: I'm your father?
Speaker 2: No, No, is it? What is it? Is it?
Speaker 3: Luke?
Speaker 2: I am your father?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not that. It's like I this is what.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what. The other one had.
Speaker 3: Gone and watched some of these movies, like there's also
one in Forrest Gump. I didn't know I have three
little second cousins that were in that plane. They were
they were extras movies. They were playing jump rope and
when he's talking to the yeah, I remember African American
lady on the bench there was those are my cousins?
Speaker 2: Oh nice?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 2: So what was it in Forrest? So what is it?
What is in there?
Speaker 3: Life is like a box of chocolates. Mama always said
life is like a box of chocolates.
Speaker 2: But that's the line, isn't it. That's gotta be And
it isn't it isn't that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, isn't that? What is it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: It says something like so last one, last.
Speaker 2: One, because we can go this forever. But it's not
so many.
Speaker 3: It's something totally different too.
Speaker 1: It's life a lot. It's life is like a boxer.
Speaker 3: Now about the yeah, the well into bear.
Speaker 2: Thing or oh no, the Berenstein Bears.
Speaker 3: I never saw that growing up, so I didn't even
get that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah Bearnstein Bears. A right, I'll give you one more.
Fruit of the loom.
Speaker 3: Okay, fruit of the loom. Fruit of the loom. They had,
the little they had.
Speaker 1: The yeah, the cornucopia fruit right, that was in the
middle of the middle of the Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: The fruit came out of the court. It's called the
corn uncopia. I think that little kind.
Speaker 1: Of corn, that little horn thing that that the fruit
came out of.
Speaker 2: Right, No, never existed, It's just been fruit. So this
is the Mendela effect.
Speaker 1: If you haven't, if everyone listening, you have not heard
of the Mendel effects, google it.
Speaker 2: Have some fun. Uh there is I have episodes with quantum.
Speaker 1: Physicists talking to me about the Mendela effect that are
out on the channel as well, so you can take.
Speaker 3: Here's here's another perspective I was thinking about. Did you
ever see that show Lost?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Hurley in the game. Yeah, Sometimes I think
we're actually those of us living right now. Actually that
happened to you, Like we all really died, like in
twenty twelve. I think when the Mayan calendar ended, we
switched dimensions and that's when all this if you remember,
that's when all this Mandel effect stuff started, was right
around that time.
Speaker 1: Like I said, if you want, all I gotta say is.
Speaker 3: Hopefully there's no smoking.
Speaker 2: Hopefully there's no smoke monster. Right, Let's hope and pray
there's no smoke monster.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: Anyway, my friend, I'm gonna ask I don't.
Speaker 3: Start of the jay J.
Speaker 1: All I know is that the writers got really lazy
at the end of that show.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. They got really lazy at the
very end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it was a horrible ending. But anyway,
I'm going to ask a few questions. Ask all, my
guest Mark, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 3: That's a really great question because we all seem to
have a little different mm hm. Take on that living
a fulfilled life. I I haven't lived it yet, even
though I've had a full life. I mean, I've experienced
things that most people will never experience in their life lifetime,
these lifetimes, but I would say, just now, let me
ask you this. Do you mean like the possibilities? Yes?
Speaker 2: So yeah, how do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you define living a fulfilled life or
a good life?
Speaker 2: It's a general statement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get rid of fear in your life. Fear is
the opposite a lobe in my book, and fear. If
once you get rid of fear, you're going to feel
the freest you've ever felt ever in your life. And
now those of us who have had these indies and
are astro projection. We can tell you the first hand
that we don't die. So that's one fear you can
erase from your book. So once you understand that we
don't die, then you understand like if you jump off
a cliff or you're in a bad car wreck or whatever,
I can assure you that even before that car wreck happens,
or you fall off that cliff or whatever you're gonna
your soul is going to come out of your body
before any of that happens. And this is just this
is how it's going to be. So once you're get
rid of all the fear, then you will you can
live a more fulfilled life because then you're you're not
afraid to experience new things and do the things. And
of course that doesn't mean we go out and rob banks,
but there's consequence, there's negative consequences that come with those
kind of negative decisions. But yeah, once you once you
realize fear is stopping you from doing so many things,
then you can live more of a fulfilled life.
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go back in time
and talk to little Mark, what advice would you give them?
Speaker 3: I would just tell them everything I know now and God,
that's actually a key to what I'm learning right now
is to go back, actually go back and talk to
a little bit, a little violence, and take a point
in your life, maybe a decision you made in your past,
go back to that moment in time, and just imagine
making a different decision back then in that part of
your life and seeing how far you can take that
in your imagination and guess what will happen. You can
actually go back and I can talk. I've been doing it.
I've been going back into my toe a little mark
this and that, and it's going to be interesting and
to see the results of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you like, what if I would have dated
that girl, or what if I would have gone to
that school, or what if I would have gotten that job?
See where that goes, you know, or I would have
not dated that person, or I would have gotten gotten
that job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually going on a date. Was somebody, uh,
And I was I was going out on my second date,
and the phone rang on my way out the door
to go on that second date. It with somebody I
really liked, But there was another girl on the other
line of that phone that I didn't know was going
to be there that stopped me from going on that
date that night, and it wasn't a very good outcome.
I wish if I had one. I wish if I
had one moment in time, I would not answer the
phone and just keep walking out the door. And I
often wondered how my life would have been different. Now
I'm actually thinking that, Like I picture myself leaving the
phone answer it. But back to you didn't have some phones. Yeah,
you didn't know who was called. It could have been
your parents. Yeah, and you've got a picture for caller
ID exactly. You have a phone that recognized color ID to.
Speaker 2: Now, how do you define how do you define God?
Speaker 3: God is all of us, put together, everything, everything and
every all of us. Everything that there is is God.
I call it the infinite One.
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and now back to the show, The Infinite One.
Speaker 3: But we're trying to food for thought, try to think
what happened before? You know. I know he was always
God has always been beginning in the end, but there
our minds wanted don't believe that. We think there has
to be a beginning to that. So I always try
to think about that. I get overwhelmed when I try.
Speaker 1: To think about that and what is the ultimate purpose
and what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 3: It is to learn the lessons we came here to
learn and move on to the graduating class with me,
because I want to be in the graduating class this
time and not have to repeat like Groundhoug Day, the.
Speaker 1: Most spiritual movie of all time, the most spiritual movie
of all time, Groundhog?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, question about it, spirit movie of all time. Now,
where can people find.
Speaker 3: Out plays when the radio learm goes off?
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, I got your baby,
that's it. And and where can people find out more
about you and the and the work that you're trying
to do.
Speaker 3: In the world. Okay, So my channel is my YouTube
channel is Old Scrolls. Okay, it's kind of a double entendre.
Think about old souls, old scrolls.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: They're one of our one of the things I haven't
even started yet. It's actually I'm launching it this week.
Is my ancient language portion of this whole thing. But
the whole premise is you're going to learn ancient languages
with me. Some of them I know, most of them
I don't. And while we're doing that hopefully that will
stir something inside you to remember who you really are,
all these other lives were living, and how we're all connected.
I call the substance, the invisible substance that connects us all.
Electric honey, that's what I call it now.
Speaker 2: I like that Electric Honey.
Speaker 3: I thought that'd be a good name for a song too,
because I'm a musician.
Speaker 1: So oh, that would definitely be a band from the
sixties or seventies. Yeah, more sixties, I think, Electric Honey.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and then we have a companion Facebook page
called Game of Scrolls, like Game of Thrones, game of shows.
One of our first subscribers came up with that name
and it just stuck with this Game of Scrolls, and
so it's Facebook slash groups slash Game of Scrolls. We
have podcasts on there three or four days a week
that just stay in Facebook, because I wanted to create
a safe space for everybody to come, you know, learn
how to heal and learn how to We have to
learn how to heal ourselves, so we can teach others
to do the same. And once everybody learns how to
heal and learns and learns all these things that we've
been taught to forget, like how to astro project things
like that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I want to be a safe place for people to
come that's private where they could talk about their deep, deepest,
darkest traumas, because that's something we all have in common
that have come here and moving met up as we
all have been through these massive traumas in our life.
You know, think about all the different possible possible traumas
and they're all represented. And so yeah, that's a that's
a place where I'm trying to get more subscribers to
come over there until we can a lot of people
don't like Facebook, so you know, I understand, But.
Speaker 1: Well, Mark, I appreciate you coming on the show and
sharing your story and your journey.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. We can talk about this forever,
and if you think, if you think about other topics
that we could talk about, please had me back or
maybe I'll invite you to mind one day if you
have time.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, all right, Alex, thank you for spending this
sacred time with us today. If you feel called to
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