WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:01.199 Well, let's switch gears. 2 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:01.360 Now. 3 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:03.680 The NFL draft us right around the corner front of 4 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.839 the program. Thorn Eystrom joins us on this Friday afternoon 5 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:09.039 to talk a little pro football thor how you doing. 6 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.640 Man, great? How you doing? 7 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:12.720 I'm well, I'm well. I appreciate the time. 8 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:15.199 So this is like your time of year, right, this 9 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.320 is when you really kind of dig in. What's the 10 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.239 past couple of weeks been like for you? 11 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:23.280 We will sleep in May, but it's you know, it's 12 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:27.000 always interesting getting especially you get deeper into to some 13 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.120 of these profiles and you started like, why isn't this 14 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.000 guy talked about more or or twice a versa, like 15 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:34.960 just this dude is way over height, and you know, 16 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.079 just developing your own opinions about some of these guys. 17 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:38.320 It's a great time of the year. 18 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:42.520 I want to ask you about a local kid, Jackson Dart, 19 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.079 who played his high school back high school football out 20 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:48.240 this way and landed at USC of course transferred, and 21 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:52.840 you know, it's it's interesting to hear the takes on him, 22 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.759 because it seems like you ask ten different people, you 23 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:56.880 get ten different takes. 24 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.159 Where do you have him ranked and where do. 25 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.759 You think ultimately the fans out this way that to 26 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:03.719 follow Jackson dark and expect him to go. 27 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.439 I have him QB three, and I think, you know, 28 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.439 it's either gonna be late on Thursday night or it's 29 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.319 gonna be pretty quick on on Friday night. You know, 30 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.040 I see you talking late first round to early second round, 31 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.799 the thing of the top ten hype. I'm not there 32 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.519 with it. It only takes one though. You know, there 33 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:26.439 there's some thought that he would be a good fit 34 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:29.799 in that new system, the Kellen Morris installing in New Orleans. 35 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.519 There might be some interest there. I'll believe it when 36 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.680 I see it if he's a top ten pick. But 37 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:39.480 either way, you know, for me qualitatively, late first early second. 38 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.040 Shoulder Sanders through today it is pro day. 39 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.840 Of course, we are formally Pac twelve Colorado Buddies, now 40 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:48.959 Big twelve Colorado Buddies. So we've seen shaud or here 41 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:51.799 quite a bit. Where do you think he goes? Where 42 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.560 do you analyze him in this class? And what do 43 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:55.120 you think his his floor is? 44 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.319 Shade? You know, it's sort of the opposite. It feels like, 45 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.760 at least the narrative, you know, as far as the 46 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.400 directions of it against a Jackson Dart. But you know, 47 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.759 for me, should I will believe that Shadier falls out 48 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.680 of the top ten when I see it. I don't 49 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:13.400 think that's going to happen. I don't think he's going 50 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.319 to fall out of the top five. But you know, 51 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:21.080 you have this crappy quarterback class and the the evaluation issue, 52 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.199 dear you put it up against all these other guys. 53 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.240 It's just cleaner. I mean, it's just like people that 54 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.280 watch him and evaluate him. I feel like the people 55 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.199 that get lost in the weeds and stuff. So people 56 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.360 that bring in their preconceived notions about this Anders family 57 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.199 and that sort of stuff and the perception of it. 58 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.280 But if you can remove yourself from that and just 59 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.319 watch the games in a vacuum and then just look 60 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.560 at the data against the other dudes, he was the 61 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.800 most impressive quarterback in this class over his career. It's 62 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:51.919 not me going out on the lambits. It's literally just 63 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.439 the fact I you know, he started all four years. 64 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.439 His teams are always good. You know, Jackson State that 65 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:59.360 turn that thing around real quick. And then you know, 66 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.439 Colorader takeover one of the five or six worst FBS programs, 67 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.680 not one of the five or six worst powerful ones. 68 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:07.719 You know, that team was terrible when they got to 69 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.400 that one and eleven team, and you know that, you know, 70 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.520 they also nippick him. It's like, oh, he had good 71 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.639 receivers and this sort of gimmicky thing. He played behind 72 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:20.840 terrible offensive lines at Colorado in an offensive scheme where 73 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.560 the defense knew they weren't going to run, so you 74 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.800 had the implosing defensive line who they could pin their 75 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.520 ears back the entire game and and just you know, 76 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.360 and the penetration you would see on his film right away, 77 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.000 he figured out ways to work around that. I like 78 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.759 his functional mobility in the pocket. You know. Another one 79 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.280 of the crazy criticisms of him where it's like all right, guys, stop, 80 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.000 was when people were like, oh, he's not a good athlete. 81 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.199 It's like, yeah, the son of one of the greatest 82 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.599 athletes in the history of the NFL is not a 83 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.439 good athlete, Okay, Like because he doesn't run out of 84 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.000 the pocket, you know, like a couple of you know, 85 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.400 he doesn't. He doesn't break containment then he's running downfield. 86 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.319 And the reason why is he uses athleticism to make 87 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.439 people miss in the pot when he has to, which 88 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.439 he unfortunately did more than most at Colorado. He's really 89 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:09.080 really good at that. And when he is scrambling he 90 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:10.680 gets up close to the line of scrimmage, you're starting 91 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.919 to run out of time. He he has a very 92 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.680 cool quirk where he will stop in front of that 93 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.160 line of scrimmage and he'll just plan himself there and 94 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:20.800 wait for, you know, for a guy to get open 95 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:22.399 if he hasn't seen one yet. He does a really 96 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.439 good job of keeping his eyes up when he's moving around. 97 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.160 But when he is rushing towards the line of scrimmage, 98 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:29.759 when he is scrambling, you will see the defenders. You 99 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.319 know this, it's a natural impulse to get sucked downhill, right, 100 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.720 because you know the games that they've played in the past, 101 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:38.120 you always see the quarterback run past line of scrimmage. 102 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.360 He uses that inclination against defensive backs. Right, he will 103 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.879 stop on a dime there waight way, someone's gonna get 104 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.160 sucked down and now he has an open receiver. I 105 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.319 really like his game. I like his pocket presence. I 106 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.519 don't understand why he gets criticized for that too. And 107 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.720 the elite thing about him, of course, it's accuracy and placement. 108 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.759 You can put that up there. You look at the 109 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.079 last five quarterback classes, there's not a lot of guys 110 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.439 that can compete with should Sanders in those two categories. 111 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.040 So big, big fan of his game. 112 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.319 So tell me where you think he lands. And again 113 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.480 I'll just reiterate, where do you think is flora Is? 114 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:10.560 And look, I'm a Jets fan, okay, And so I 115 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.639 wouldn't mind because I'm with you, I wouldn't mind if 116 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.000 he fell to seven. I don't know if that's a chance. 117 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:16.079 But what do you what do you think? Where do 118 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:17.360 you think he lands? And what do you what do 119 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:18.240 you think is flora Is? 120 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.920 I know for a fact Cleveland likes him. You know, 121 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.360 I'm not saying he's going to go too, because Cleveland 122 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.000 also very much likes his teammate Travis Hunter. Now, you know, 123 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.519 I think that's a discussion right now. That Colorado prote 124 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.639 that you were alluding to, they had a whole, huge 125 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.360 contingent from the Cleveland Browns organization that was out there, 126 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.720 that included their owner, you know, in every major person 127 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.560 in that organization. Of course you get to take in Travis, 128 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.720 but you know, also evaluate Shadeer there the very close 129 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.120 eyes on him and Shadeer is would be a really 130 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.120 good fit for Stefanski's offense as well. Coming out of 131 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.800 the NFL Combine, I talked to an NFL source that 132 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.639 told me, do not discount the possibility that Cleveland walks 133 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.959 away from this draft with both Travis Hunter and Shadeer Sanders. 134 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:02.879 And at the time, I was like, there's no way, 135 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:08.399 and he's he was telling me the Shadeer sliding possibility. 136 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.720 In that scenario, you pop Travis Hunter at number two. 137 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.160 Let's say that that. Let's say that I'm wrong and 138 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.319 he gets to you know, fourteen fifteen somewhere like that. 139 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.480 Cleveland has all the draft equity in the world in 140 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:23.279 this clas I did just look at all the picks 141 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.839 they have. They could easily get up to fifteen sixteen 142 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.759 if that happened. So that's I'm going to call that 143 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:33.000 one out. Cleveland. There's a shot still they take them 144 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:36.319 at two for sure. But if not, and if I'm 145 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.240 wrong about the other thing about him sliding, Cleveland's in 146 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:40.079 play for that too. 147 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.720 So everything I've read the world all seed to you, 148 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.600 because you're the expert, is that Tennessee has done their calculation. 149 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.720 They've landed on Cam warded one is are you in 150 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.160 line with that storyline? You think that's how this is 151 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:53.680 going to go down? And what do you think if 152 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:54.600 that's their choice. 153 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.720 They absolutely want us to believe that, which my mean 154 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.720 it's the truth, and might mean that that it's not 155 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.000 the truth. We have seen some very clever smoke screens 156 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.199 in the past. One that I could evoked that you know, 157 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:10.800 for this one. San Francisco wanted everyone to know. Was 158 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:12.879 it six seven years ago that they were going to 159 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.560 take Mac Jones at number three or number you know 160 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.480 where they had two or three afrigate but they ended 161 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.920 up taking Trey Lance with It was three, wasn't it? 162 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.720 But you know they were putting it out there, It's 163 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.639 gonna be Mac, It's going to be Mac. It wasn't 164 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.040 going to be Mac. It was like, you know, doubt us. 165 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:29.480 Try to tell us who you're going to pick in 166 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:34.120 advance too much, right, So Tennessee is giving us absolutely, 167 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.079 they are giving us all the indications in the world 168 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.040 that they will take cam Morton. That only means one 169 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.639 of two things. Unfortunately we can't say in advance. They 170 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.279 they want us to believe something and we'll see if 171 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:44.360 they end up falling through with it. 172 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.600 And yes, as a Jets fan, I will selfishly kick 173 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.600 the tires with an expert, as I do every time 174 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:52.879 we talked pro football, what what what do my guys do? 175 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.639 Like I said, I would not mind them grabbing Shador 176 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:57.519 if he's there at seven, But what do you think 177 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:58.800 happens with the Jets at seven? 178 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.439 The good and the bad thing is is there's enough 179 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.519 holes there where you do not have to get myopic 180 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.160 with the pick right, like the board is sort of 181 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.759 open to you. Will they will they try to get 182 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.199 like a you know, the singular offensive dude in in 183 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.480 Tyler Warren, the guy that the simply a ball mover right, 184 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.439 the offensive chess piece sort of a dude. I think 185 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:25.079 that's one possibility. Obviously there's needs on defense there as well. 186 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.839 You know, you can get someone to play next to 187 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:31.560 Quinnon uh Kin law left, you know, whether it's IDL, 188 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.480 whether it's offensive tackle. You know, you could use someone 189 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.039 across from Bashanu and try to take care of that 190 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.279 for the next decade. Receiver obviously, you know, you know 191 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.679 the stuff there. To me, it's it's somewhere in there. 192 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.360 I would be surprised if it was just because of 193 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.080 the the outlay they gave Fields over a multi year deal, 194 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.399 though I realized it was only two years and it's 195 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.559 not crazy money, so you know, technically you haven't crossed 196 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:58.679 it up. But with with the all the other holes there, 197 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:00.720 I I would assume and I would expect for them 198 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:02.000 to go a non quarterback position. 199 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.200 Do you think there's any chance I was reading a 200 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.759 piece in the Athletic today somebody covering their draft that believes, 201 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.440 like you just alluded to Tennessee, this is a smoke 202 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:14.240 screen and they're willing to move that pick. And you know, 203 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.320 like the Jets, Tennessee has a lot of holes. Do 204 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.240 you think there's any chance they move off of one 205 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:19.600 for more valuable pieces? 206 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.519 Well, Tennessee, for sure if they can get that offer. 207 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.440 And this would also you know, the theory of they're 208 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.799 not decided yet but they want us to believe that 209 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:34.279 they are. This is you know, if that scenario was true, 210 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.799 that would be something that you would do if you 211 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.879 want to listen to offers, right like, oh, we found 212 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.080 our guy and we're you know, blobbody blind, and then 213 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.720 you're hoping that a team that's obsessed with cam wore Dunn. 214 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.360 Is you know, gonna make you an offer. We'll have 215 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.799 to see on that, but yeah, if Tennessee gets a 216 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.320 legitimate trade offer where they feel they're getting valued, they're 217 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.559 going to make that trade right, like you know. I 218 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.440 just think that. As far as the Jets at seven, 219 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.759 I think they're an interesting a down possibility because of 220 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.039 all those different holes. And then of course you have 221 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.960 new decision makers that are sitting in those seats. Now. 222 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.720 You brought a lot of new guys into the front office. 223 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.600 Want to put your your mark on things. And Rick 224 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:14.919 Spielman one of the guys near and dear to my heart, 225 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.559 he used to work a mile away from where I'm 226 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.320 sitting right now. That dude loves to trade down and 227 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.480 get extra pegs. We make fun of him here because 228 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:23.879 every single year seemed like he had three or four 229 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.240 seventh round picks that he had accumulated through it. But 230 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:28.879 there are teams that are gonna be looking to move on, 231 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.240 and I think some teams that would surprise people. The 232 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.519 forty nine ers are a team to watch out for 233 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.159 to make a big move up to board in round 234 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:41.279 one because they have an enormous amount of draft equity. 235 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.519 They have made all these changes to their offensive skill guys, 236 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:47.720 and they want to restock that there's not a receiver. 237 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.399 I don't think that they would be targeting. I've been 238 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.600 told to watch out for them moving up for Tyler Warren, 239 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.759 so that that's and even potent daylight Ash and Gentz too, 240 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.279 And I know that this would, you know, blow people's minds. 241 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.840 It's like you already got Christian McCaffrey, but they don't 242 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.840 play football like the other teams due they played positionless 243 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.519 football on offense. Right, It's like every time they go 244 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.519 back to the huddle, it's like you shuffle the deck 245 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:12.759 as far as the next play where everyone's going to 246 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:15.440 line up. Like, I just enjoy watching them because it's 247 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.639 always like, well, where's you know, when deebo is on, 248 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.120 where's Debo going to be this play? Where's where's are 249 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.120 you going to be? Kiddle? They'd line up all over 250 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.759 the place. McCaffrey could be out wide, he could be 251 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.759 in the slot, he could be They move guys everywhere, 252 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.279 and and so it opens up the potential possibilitycause because 253 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:32.799 when I was told that, I was like, there's no 254 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.320 way they got McCaffrey's positionless football. You could play those 255 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.360 two guys together, so like, uh, you know, but but 256 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.639 you know a team to watch out for. Potentially maybe 257 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.120 the Jets would you know, could potentially be involved in 258 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.240 that if a guy like Tyler Warren gets to their pick. 259 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.399 I want to ask Thor because you know it may 260 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.159 be an easy answer, maybe just be Travis Hunter. But 261 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.440 who do you think is the best prospect in this 262 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.279 draft regardless of position? If an NFL team called you 263 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.480 and said best play regardless of where he plays, who 264 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:02.279 would you say and why? 265 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:03.679 For me? 266 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.000 For sure, it is Travis Hunter because because of that 267 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:08.240 two position things, Travis Hunter, he'd be if he was 268 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.120 just a cornerback, be my CB one in this class. 269 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.000 If he was just a wide receiver, he'd be wide 270 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.960 receiver one with the ball in this class. And the 271 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.480 fact that you get both those things in one package, 272 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.679 you can start to make an argument qualitatively for his 273 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:24.200 value against a quarterback, which you know is sort of unique. 274 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.039 If you check both those boxes on your team, you 275 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.399 know you can start making that that qualitative argument he's different, 276 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.720 that that dude's different My comp for him. You know, 277 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.679 I'm the guy that has the five hundred player big 278 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.200 board of five hundred player contact I just love comps. 279 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.000 I had to come from to show Heyo Tani there. 280 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.600 There wasn't another football player that I felt comfortable comping 281 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:47.000 him to. That's that was the closest I could get 282 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.639 as far as encapsulating my thoughts on Travis Hunter and 283 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.000 Travis Hunter wants to be show Heyo Tani. You know, 284 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.320 like I was laughing earlier this process. People would ask 285 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:55.679 him to be like, all right, what position is he 286 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:57.039 actually going to play in the n BO. It's like 287 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.720 both ways And I'd be like, no, no, that what position? Actually? 288 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.679 He's like, no, both ways, Like he he wants to 289 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.279 be to show hey, otani guy, he is not gonna 290 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:08.080 want to Like if a team was like, Travis, we 291 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.080 only want you on one side of the ball, he'd 292 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:11.799 be like, I don't want to play for you. So 293 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:13.759 I mean that that's what you're gonna get. And for 294 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:14.799 sure it be Travis Hunter. 295 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.879 So is your understanding the teams that he's speaking with 296 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.480 are completely open to allowing him to play both positions 297 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:23.960 one thousand. 298 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.879 Yeah, the interested parties there, Yeah, you're gonna be playing 299 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.840 him both ways right away. You wouldn't draft him otherwise 300 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.360 because you're gonna have a kicked off employee on your hand, 301 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.360 who's one of your your organization's most important people right 302 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.320 from the get so, yeah, that's that's what's being discussed. 303 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:43.080 The interesting thing will be after the draft, whatever team 304 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.759 that ends up being, you know, be at Cleveland, be 305 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.480 at the Giants. Uh it could it be the Patriots? 306 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.039 Could he get down before? The interesting thing will be 307 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:55.039 the discussions inside that building, which the coaching staff almost 308 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:57.159 might get locked out of these. It's more gonna be 309 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:01.000 between your analytics department and your your medical team of 310 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.759 trying to trying to look into the data and figure 311 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.200 out a guy with that frame, what what is the 312 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.159 amount of snaps that the human body at that size 313 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:15.639 could take before we will elevate his injury risk? Right 314 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.039 like it? So, if we're going to play him eighty 315 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.320 five percent of the snaps you know defense as a rookie, 316 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.879 how many additional ones? What what percentage of the snapshare 317 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.480 on offense can we do before it's dereliction of duties? 318 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.360 Right where it's it is so many snaps you can 319 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.679 almost guarantee that he will suffer a significant injury. I 320 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.519 think it's going to be you know, you're going to 321 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:38.559 be between eighty to eighty five percent of the snaps 322 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.240 on defense as a rookie, and I think it's going 323 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.600 to come out around forty to forty five on offense 324 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.559 as a rookie. And I think those snaps, you're going 325 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:48.720 to have a Travis Hunter playbook. You are going to 326 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.519 be looking to get Travis Hunter the ball. He is 327 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.399 not going to be out there to run block. And 328 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.000 then they're not going to put him out there on 329 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.159 that early downs either. I don't think that's one way 330 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.200 that you can save him. But yeah, crazy valuable player 331 00:14:59.240 --> 00:14:59.960 at the next level. 332 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:01.919 Thora before I say you lose. 333 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:06.960 You know, typically we have more Utah football players involved 334 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:10.080 in the draft process that have a chance to be, 335 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:11.840 you know, one of the you know, maybe a first 336 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:12.279 round guy. 337 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.399 We don't have many this year. 338 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.840 But I'm gonna ask you about Brant Keithy, who was 339 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:21.039 really the better pro prospect prior to Dalton king kid 340 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.120 landing on campus and then kind of usurping that role 341 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.600 after Brant went down and he had another injury a 342 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.440 year ago. And I'm sure at some point throughout your 343 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:34.080 analysis you've landed on him because when he was healthy 344 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:38.000 and Cameron Rising was under center, for Utah. He just 345 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.080 looked the part he had, the productivity. He's a great kid. 346 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.519 He's been a friend of the station for a long time. 347 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.879 And I see him listed as the seventh rated you know, 348 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.399 tight end slash h back on one of these lists. 349 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.759 And it's gonna be tough just because of the health. 350 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.519 But what do you make of this process for bran 351 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:57.519 Keithy And do you think at some point maybe he 352 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.080 will have a pro football career. 353 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.120 I hope he does that. You know, I had never 354 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.320 met him before Indianapolis. But the thing you're saying about 355 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:06.879 him being a good kid, you could tell that at 356 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.879 his podium session, you know, Uh, we asked him a 357 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:13.919 couple Yeah, I don't want to say like hard questions, 358 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:17.080 but like non softball questions you know about you know, 359 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:18.960 you're on the older side, and you know what your 360 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.159 injury history is. You know the way the NFL will 361 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.480 view that. You know, you're not an inline guy, you know, 362 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.159 and and and like that's you know, basically make the case. 363 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:28.279 You know your skill set as is, you know, and 364 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:31.639 stuff like that and super super duper respectful, you know, 365 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.000 with with with the answers and thoughtful and the way 366 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:36.759 that that he saw that stuff, but he knows he's 367 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:40.120 facing a bit of an uphill climb here. But you know, 368 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:41.919 I mean that that's a guy who you know that 369 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.440 all the adversity he's overcome. I think he's ready for 370 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:48.159 that might come for him. You know. I think you 371 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.679 guys will will you know, at least it's around the 372 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.799 area of the country, and it's recently. There's remember Dallan 373 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.000 Hulker from the last sure, Yeah, you know the guy 374 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.399 I called the incredible Hulker. There's there's there's a lot 375 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.440 of similarities there in terms of their frames. They both 376 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.079 have the long arms that they had the same thing 377 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.039 that I liked about them, which is their really crafty, 378 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.960 clever route runners, right and so they managed to make 379 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.680 the little bit of separation that they need short and 380 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.839 intermediate area. It's not guys that you're going to send 381 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.759 down the field, but they're guys that potentially can be 382 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.680 used to pay per cut defenses at the next level 383 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.160 and can brand stay healthy enough for that, right Like, 384 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.400 and he can overcome the measurables because of that craftiness. 385 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:32.799 Because he has the longer arms than you would expect 386 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.880 from the frame, it gives him a bigger catch radius 387 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:37.799 than defenders are expecting. Explain, explain some of that production. 388 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.400 But can he stay healthy enough to show NFL teams 389 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.799 that route running machination and then the reliability when that 390 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.039 balls on the doorstep? I can be that payper cut 391 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.200 guy for you. That's what we're hoping for. Hopefully his 392 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:50.279 body doesn't betray him. 393 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.119 Or where can our football fans go? Find your work, buddy? 394 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.720 You can find me the scouting reports that mock drafts, 395 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.839 the five hundred player big board aforementioned on Matthew Berry's 396 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:01.599 face Fantasy Life, and then you can find me on 397 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:02.799 Twitter at ku. 398 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.279 Thanks man, appreciate the time. I know you're busy. We'll 399 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:06.240 set you loose. Okay. 400 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:07.799 Always good talking to you guys. 401 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.160