Speaker 1: Well, let's switch gears.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The NFL draft us right around the corner front of
Speaker 3: the program. Thorn Eystrom joins us on this Friday afternoon
Speaker 3: to talk a little pro football thor how you doing.
Speaker 4: Man, great? How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm well. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 3: So this is like your time of year, right, this
Speaker 3: is when you really kind of dig in. What's the
Speaker 3: past couple of weeks been like for you?
Speaker 4: We will sleep in May, but it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: always interesting getting especially you get deeper into to some
Speaker 4: of these profiles and you started like, why isn't this
Speaker 4: guy talked about more or or twice a versa, like
Speaker 4: just this dude is way over height, and you know,
Speaker 4: just developing your own opinions about some of these guys.
Speaker 4: It's a great time of the year.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about a local kid, Jackson Dart,
Speaker 3: who played his high school back high school football out
Speaker 3: this way and landed at USC of course transferred, and
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's interesting to hear the takes on him,
Speaker 3: because it seems like you ask ten different people, you
Speaker 3: get ten different takes.
Speaker 1: Where do you have him ranked and where do.
Speaker 3: You think ultimately the fans out this way that to
Speaker 3: follow Jackson dark and expect him to go.
Speaker 4: I have him QB three, and I think, you know,
Speaker 4: it's either gonna be late on Thursday night or it's
Speaker 4: gonna be pretty quick on on Friday night. You know,
Speaker 4: I see you talking late first round to early second round,
Speaker 4: the thing of the top ten hype. I'm not there
Speaker 4: with it. It only takes one though. You know, there
Speaker 4: there's some thought that he would be a good fit
Speaker 4: in that new system, the Kellen Morris installing in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: There might be some interest there. I'll believe it when
Speaker 4: I see it if he's a top ten pick. But
Speaker 4: either way, you know, for me qualitatively, late first early second.
Speaker 1: Shoulder Sanders through today it is pro day.
Speaker 3: Of course, we are formally Pac twelve Colorado Buddies, now
Speaker 3: Big twelve Colorado Buddies. So we've seen shaud or here
Speaker 3: quite a bit. Where do you think he goes? Where
Speaker 3: do you analyze him in this class? And what do
Speaker 3: you think his his floor is?
Speaker 4: Shade? You know, it's sort of the opposite. It feels like,
Speaker 4: at least the narrative, you know, as far as the
Speaker 4: directions of it against a Jackson Dart. But you know,
Speaker 4: for me, should I will believe that Shadier falls out
Speaker 4: of the top ten when I see it. I don't
Speaker 4: think that's going to happen. I don't think he's going
Speaker 4: to fall out of the top five. But you know,
Speaker 4: you have this crappy quarterback class and the the evaluation issue,
Speaker 4: dear you put it up against all these other guys.
Speaker 4: It's just cleaner. I mean, it's just like people that
Speaker 4: watch him and evaluate him. I feel like the people
Speaker 4: that get lost in the weeds and stuff. So people
Speaker 4: that bring in their preconceived notions about this Anders family
Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff and the perception of it.
Speaker 4: But if you can remove yourself from that and just
Speaker 4: watch the games in a vacuum and then just look
Speaker 4: at the data against the other dudes, he was the
Speaker 4: most impressive quarterback in this class over his career. It's
Speaker 4: not me going out on the lambits. It's literally just
Speaker 4: the fact I you know, he started all four years.
Speaker 4: His teams are always good. You know, Jackson State that
Speaker 4: turn that thing around real quick. And then you know,
Speaker 4: Colorader takeover one of the five or six worst FBS programs,
Speaker 4: not one of the five or six worst powerful ones.
Speaker 4: You know, that team was terrible when they got to
Speaker 4: that one and eleven team, and you know that, you know,
Speaker 4: they also nippick him. It's like, oh, he had good
Speaker 4: receivers and this sort of gimmicky thing. He played behind
Speaker 4: terrible offensive lines at Colorado in an offensive scheme where
Speaker 4: the defense knew they weren't going to run, so you
Speaker 4: had the implosing defensive line who they could pin their
Speaker 4: ears back the entire game and and just you know,
Speaker 4: and the penetration you would see on his film right away,
Speaker 4: he figured out ways to work around that. I like
Speaker 4: his functional mobility in the pocket. You know. Another one
Speaker 4: of the crazy criticisms of him where it's like all right, guys, stop,
Speaker 4: was when people were like, oh, he's not a good athlete.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, the son of one of the greatest
Speaker 4: athletes in the history of the NFL is not a
Speaker 4: good athlete, Okay, Like because he doesn't run out of
Speaker 4: the pocket, you know, like a couple of you know,
Speaker 4: he doesn't. He doesn't break containment then he's running downfield.
Speaker 4: And the reason why is he uses athleticism to make
Speaker 4: people miss in the pot when he has to, which
Speaker 4: he unfortunately did more than most at Colorado. He's really
Speaker 4: really good at that. And when he is scrambling he
Speaker 4: gets up close to the line of scrimmage, you're starting
Speaker 4: to run out of time. He he has a very
Speaker 4: cool quirk where he will stop in front of that
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage and he'll just plan himself there and
Speaker 4: wait for, you know, for a guy to get open
Speaker 4: if he hasn't seen one yet. He does a really
Speaker 4: good job of keeping his eyes up when he's moving around.
Speaker 4: But when he is rushing towards the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 4: when he is scrambling, you will see the defenders. You
Speaker 4: know this, it's a natural impulse to get sucked downhill, right,
Speaker 4: because you know the games that they've played in the past,
Speaker 4: you always see the quarterback run past line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: He uses that inclination against defensive backs. Right, he will
Speaker 4: stop on a dime there waight way, someone's gonna get
Speaker 4: sucked down and now he has an open receiver. I
Speaker 4: really like his game. I like his pocket presence. I
Speaker 4: don't understand why he gets criticized for that too. And
Speaker 4: the elite thing about him, of course, it's accuracy and placement.
Speaker 4: You can put that up there. You look at the
Speaker 4: last five quarterback classes, there's not a lot of guys
Speaker 4: that can compete with should Sanders in those two categories.
Speaker 4: So big, big fan of his game.
Speaker 3: So tell me where you think he lands. And again
Speaker 3: I'll just reiterate, where do you think is flora Is?
Speaker 3: And look, I'm a Jets fan, okay, And so I
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind because I'm with you, I wouldn't mind if
Speaker 3: he fell to seven. I don't know if that's a chance.
Speaker 3: But what do you what do you think? Where do
Speaker 3: you think he lands? And what do you what do
Speaker 3: you think is flora Is?
Speaker 4: I know for a fact Cleveland likes him. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's going to go too, because Cleveland
Speaker 4: also very much likes his teammate Travis Hunter. Now, you know,
Speaker 4: I think that's a discussion right now. That Colorado prote
Speaker 4: that you were alluding to, they had a whole, huge
Speaker 4: contingent from the Cleveland Browns organization that was out there,
Speaker 4: that included their owner, you know, in every major person
Speaker 4: in that organization. Of course you get to take in Travis,
Speaker 4: but you know, also evaluate Shadeer there the very close
Speaker 4: eyes on him and Shadeer is would be a really
Speaker 4: good fit for Stefanski's offense as well. Coming out of
Speaker 4: the NFL Combine, I talked to an NFL source that
Speaker 4: told me, do not discount the possibility that Cleveland walks
Speaker 4: away from this draft with both Travis Hunter and Shadeer Sanders.
Speaker 4: And at the time, I was like, there's no way,
Speaker 4: and he's he was telling me the Shadeer sliding possibility.
Speaker 4: In that scenario, you pop Travis Hunter at number two.
Speaker 4: Let's say that that. Let's say that I'm wrong and
Speaker 4: he gets to you know, fourteen fifteen somewhere like that.
Speaker 4: Cleveland has all the draft equity in the world in
Speaker 4: this clas I did just look at all the picks
Speaker 4: they have. They could easily get up to fifteen sixteen
Speaker 4: if that happened. So that's I'm going to call that
Speaker 4: one out. Cleveland. There's a shot still they take them
Speaker 4: at two for sure. But if not, and if I'm
Speaker 4: wrong about the other thing about him sliding, Cleveland's in
Speaker 4: play for that too.
Speaker 3: So everything I've read the world all seed to you,
Speaker 3: because you're the expert, is that Tennessee has done their calculation.
Speaker 3: They've landed on Cam warded one is are you in
Speaker 3: line with that storyline? You think that's how this is
Speaker 3: going to go down? And what do you think if
Speaker 3: that's their choice.
Speaker 4: They absolutely want us to believe that, which my mean
Speaker 4: it's the truth, and might mean that that it's not
Speaker 4: the truth. We have seen some very clever smoke screens
Speaker 4: in the past. One that I could evoked that you know,
Speaker 4: for this one. San Francisco wanted everyone to know. Was
Speaker 4: it six seven years ago that they were going to
Speaker 4: take Mac Jones at number three or number you know
Speaker 4: where they had two or three afrigate but they ended
Speaker 4: up taking Trey Lance with It was three, wasn't it?
Speaker 4: But you know they were putting it out there, It's
Speaker 4: gonna be Mac, It's going to be Mac. It wasn't
Speaker 4: going to be Mac. It was like, you know, doubt us.
Speaker 4: Try to tell us who you're going to pick in
Speaker 4: advance too much, right, So Tennessee is giving us absolutely,
Speaker 4: they are giving us all the indications in the world
Speaker 4: that they will take cam Morton. That only means one
Speaker 4: of two things. Unfortunately we can't say in advance. They
Speaker 4: they want us to believe something and we'll see if
Speaker 4: they end up falling through with it.
Speaker 3: And yes, as a Jets fan, I will selfishly kick
Speaker 3: the tires with an expert, as I do every time
Speaker 3: we talked pro football, what what what do my guys do?
Speaker 3: Like I said, I would not mind them grabbing Shador
Speaker 3: if he's there at seven, But what do you think
Speaker 3: happens with the Jets at seven?
Speaker 4: The good and the bad thing is is there's enough
Speaker 4: holes there where you do not have to get myopic
Speaker 4: with the pick right, like the board is sort of
Speaker 4: open to you. Will they will they try to get
Speaker 4: like a you know, the singular offensive dude in in
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren, the guy that the simply a ball mover right,
Speaker 4: the offensive chess piece sort of a dude. I think
Speaker 4: that's one possibility. Obviously there's needs on defense there as well.
Speaker 4: You know, you can get someone to play next to
Speaker 4: Quinnon uh Kin law left, you know, whether it's IDL,
Speaker 4: whether it's offensive tackle. You know, you could use someone
Speaker 4: across from Bashanu and try to take care of that
Speaker 4: for the next decade. Receiver obviously, you know, you know
Speaker 4: the stuff there. To me, it's it's somewhere in there.
Speaker 4: I would be surprised if it was just because of
Speaker 4: the the outlay they gave Fields over a multi year deal,
Speaker 4: though I realized it was only two years and it's
Speaker 4: not crazy money, so you know, technically you haven't crossed
Speaker 4: it up. But with with the all the other holes there,
Speaker 4: I I would assume and I would expect for them
Speaker 4: to go a non quarterback position.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any chance I was reading a
Speaker 3: piece in the Athletic today somebody covering their draft that believes,
Speaker 3: like you just alluded to Tennessee, this is a smoke
Speaker 3: screen and they're willing to move that pick. And you know,
Speaker 3: like the Jets, Tennessee has a lot of holes. Do
Speaker 3: you think there's any chance they move off of one
Speaker 3: for more valuable pieces?
Speaker 4: Well, Tennessee, for sure if they can get that offer.
Speaker 4: And this would also you know, the theory of they're
Speaker 4: not decided yet but they want us to believe that
Speaker 4: they are. This is you know, if that scenario was true,
Speaker 4: that would be something that you would do if you
Speaker 4: want to listen to offers, right like, oh, we found
Speaker 4: our guy and we're you know, blobbody blind, and then
Speaker 4: you're hoping that a team that's obsessed with cam wore Dunn.
Speaker 4: Is you know, gonna make you an offer. We'll have
Speaker 4: to see on that, but yeah, if Tennessee gets a
Speaker 4: legitimate trade offer where they feel they're getting valued, they're
Speaker 4: going to make that trade right, like you know. I
Speaker 4: just think that. As far as the Jets at seven,
Speaker 4: I think they're an interesting a down possibility because of
Speaker 4: all those different holes. And then of course you have
Speaker 4: new decision makers that are sitting in those seats. Now.
Speaker 4: You brought a lot of new guys into the front office.
Speaker 4: Want to put your your mark on things. And Rick
Speaker 4: Spielman one of the guys near and dear to my heart,
Speaker 4: he used to work a mile away from where I'm
Speaker 4: sitting right now. That dude loves to trade down and
Speaker 4: get extra pegs. We make fun of him here because
Speaker 4: every single year seemed like he had three or four
Speaker 4: seventh round picks that he had accumulated through it. But
Speaker 4: there are teams that are gonna be looking to move on,
Speaker 4: and I think some teams that would surprise people. The
Speaker 4: forty nine ers are a team to watch out for
Speaker 4: to make a big move up to board in round
Speaker 4: one because they have an enormous amount of draft equity.
Speaker 4: They have made all these changes to their offensive skill guys,
Speaker 4: and they want to restock that there's not a receiver.
Speaker 4: I don't think that they would be targeting. I've been
Speaker 4: told to watch out for them moving up for Tyler Warren,
Speaker 4: so that that's and even potent daylight Ash and Gentz too,
Speaker 4: And I know that this would, you know, blow people's minds.
Speaker 4: It's like you already got Christian McCaffrey, but they don't
Speaker 4: play football like the other teams due they played positionless
Speaker 4: football on offense. Right, It's like every time they go
Speaker 4: back to the huddle, it's like you shuffle the deck
Speaker 4: as far as the next play where everyone's going to
Speaker 4: line up. Like, I just enjoy watching them because it's
Speaker 4: always like, well, where's you know, when deebo is on,
Speaker 4: where's Debo going to be this play? Where's where's are
Speaker 4: you going to be? Kiddle? They'd line up all over
Speaker 4: the place. McCaffrey could be out wide, he could be
Speaker 4: in the slot, he could be They move guys everywhere,
Speaker 4: and and so it opens up the potential possibilitycause because
Speaker 4: when I was told that, I was like, there's no
Speaker 4: way they got McCaffrey's positionless football. You could play those
Speaker 4: two guys together, so like, uh, you know, but but
Speaker 4: you know a team to watch out for. Potentially maybe
Speaker 4: the Jets would you know, could potentially be involved in
Speaker 4: that if a guy like Tyler Warren gets to their pick.
Speaker 3: I want to ask Thor because you know it may
Speaker 3: be an easy answer, maybe just be Travis Hunter. But
Speaker 3: who do you think is the best prospect in this
Speaker 3: draft regardless of position? If an NFL team called you
Speaker 3: and said best play regardless of where he plays, who
Speaker 3: would you say and why?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 4: For sure, it is Travis Hunter because because of that
Speaker 4: two position things, Travis Hunter, he'd be if he was
Speaker 4: just a cornerback, be my CB one in this class.
Speaker 4: If he was just a wide receiver, he'd be wide
Speaker 4: receiver one with the ball in this class. And the
Speaker 4: fact that you get both those things in one package,
Speaker 4: you can start to make an argument qualitatively for his
Speaker 4: value against a quarterback, which you know is sort of unique.
Speaker 4: If you check both those boxes on your team, you
Speaker 4: know you can start making that that qualitative argument he's different,
Speaker 4: that that dude's different My comp for him. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that has the five hundred player big
Speaker 4: board of five hundred player contact I just love comps.
Speaker 4: I had to come from to show Heyo Tani there.
Speaker 4: There wasn't another football player that I felt comfortable comping
Speaker 4: him to. That's that was the closest I could get
Speaker 4: as far as encapsulating my thoughts on Travis Hunter and
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter wants to be show Heyo Tani. You know,
Speaker 4: like I was laughing earlier this process. People would ask
Speaker 4: him to be like, all right, what position is he
Speaker 4: actually going to play in the n BO. It's like
Speaker 4: both ways And I'd be like, no, no, that what position? Actually?
Speaker 4: He's like, no, both ways, Like he he wants to
Speaker 4: be to show hey, otani guy, he is not gonna
Speaker 4: want to Like if a team was like, Travis, we
Speaker 4: only want you on one side of the ball, he'd
Speaker 4: be like, I don't want to play for you. So
Speaker 4: I mean that that's what you're gonna get. And for
Speaker 4: sure it be Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: So is your understanding the teams that he's speaking with
Speaker 3: are completely open to allowing him to play both positions
Speaker 3: one thousand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the interested parties there, Yeah, you're gonna be playing
Speaker 4: him both ways right away. You wouldn't draft him otherwise
Speaker 4: because you're gonna have a kicked off employee on your hand,
Speaker 4: who's one of your your organization's most important people right
Speaker 4: from the get so, yeah, that's that's what's being discussed.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing will be after the draft, whatever team
Speaker 4: that ends up being, you know, be at Cleveland, be
Speaker 4: at the Giants. Uh it could it be the Patriots?
Speaker 4: Could he get down before? The interesting thing will be
Speaker 4: the discussions inside that building, which the coaching staff almost
Speaker 4: might get locked out of these. It's more gonna be
Speaker 4: between your analytics department and your your medical team of
Speaker 4: trying to trying to look into the data and figure
Speaker 4: out a guy with that frame, what what is the
Speaker 4: amount of snaps that the human body at that size
Speaker 4: could take before we will elevate his injury risk? Right
Speaker 4: like it? So, if we're going to play him eighty
Speaker 4: five percent of the snaps you know defense as a rookie,
Speaker 4: how many additional ones? What what percentage of the snapshare
Speaker 4: on offense can we do before it's dereliction of duties?
Speaker 4: Right where it's it is so many snaps you can
Speaker 4: almost guarantee that he will suffer a significant injury. I
Speaker 4: think it's going to be you know, you're going to
Speaker 4: be between eighty to eighty five percent of the snaps
Speaker 4: on defense as a rookie, and I think it's going
Speaker 4: to come out around forty to forty five on offense
Speaker 4: as a rookie. And I think those snaps, you're going
Speaker 4: to have a Travis Hunter playbook. You are going to
Speaker 4: be looking to get Travis Hunter the ball. He is
Speaker 4: not going to be out there to run block. And
Speaker 4: then they're not going to put him out there on
Speaker 4: that early downs either. I don't think that's one way
Speaker 4: that you can save him. But yeah, crazy valuable player
Speaker 4: at the next level.
Speaker 1: Thora before I say you lose.
Speaker 3: You know, typically we have more Utah football players involved
Speaker 3: in the draft process that have a chance to be,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the you know, maybe a first
Speaker 3: round guy.
Speaker 1: We don't have many this year.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna ask you about Brant Keithy, who was
Speaker 3: really the better pro prospect prior to Dalton king kid
Speaker 3: landing on campus and then kind of usurping that role
Speaker 3: after Brant went down and he had another injury a
Speaker 3: year ago. And I'm sure at some point throughout your
Speaker 3: analysis you've landed on him because when he was healthy
Speaker 3: and Cameron Rising was under center, for Utah. He just
Speaker 3: looked the part he had, the productivity. He's a great kid.
Speaker 3: He's been a friend of the station for a long time.
Speaker 3: And I see him listed as the seventh rated you know,
Speaker 3: tight end slash h back on one of these lists.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna be tough just because of the health.
Speaker 3: But what do you make of this process for bran
Speaker 3: Keithy And do you think at some point maybe he
Speaker 3: will have a pro football career.
Speaker 4: I hope he does that. You know, I had never
Speaker 4: met him before Indianapolis. But the thing you're saying about
Speaker 4: him being a good kid, you could tell that at
Speaker 4: his podium session, you know, Uh, we asked him a
Speaker 4: couple Yeah, I don't want to say like hard questions,
Speaker 4: but like non softball questions you know about you know,
Speaker 4: you're on the older side, and you know what your
Speaker 4: injury history is. You know the way the NFL will
Speaker 4: view that. You know, you're not an inline guy, you know,
Speaker 4: and and and like that's you know, basically make the case.
Speaker 4: You know your skill set as is, you know, and
Speaker 4: stuff like that and super super duper respectful, you know,
Speaker 4: with with with the answers and thoughtful and the way
Speaker 4: that that he saw that stuff, but he knows he's
Speaker 4: facing a bit of an uphill climb here. But you know,
Speaker 4: I mean that that's a guy who you know that
Speaker 4: all the adversity he's overcome. I think he's ready for
Speaker 4: that might come for him. You know. I think you
Speaker 4: guys will will you know, at least it's around the
Speaker 4: area of the country, and it's recently. There's remember Dallan
Speaker 4: Hulker from the last sure, Yeah, you know the guy
Speaker 4: I called the incredible Hulker. There's there's there's a lot
Speaker 4: of similarities there in terms of their frames. They both
Speaker 4: have the long arms that they had the same thing
Speaker 4: that I liked about them, which is their really crafty,
Speaker 4: clever route runners, right and so they managed to make
Speaker 4: the little bit of separation that they need short and
Speaker 4: intermediate area. It's not guys that you're going to send
Speaker 4: down the field, but they're guys that potentially can be
Speaker 4: used to pay per cut defenses at the next level
Speaker 4: and can brand stay healthy enough for that, right Like,
Speaker 4: and he can overcome the measurables because of that craftiness.
Speaker 4: Because he has the longer arms than you would expect
Speaker 4: from the frame, it gives him a bigger catch radius
Speaker 4: than defenders are expecting. Explain, explain some of that production.
Speaker 4: But can he stay healthy enough to show NFL teams
Speaker 4: that route running machination and then the reliability when that
Speaker 4: balls on the doorstep? I can be that payper cut
Speaker 4: guy for you. That's what we're hoping for. Hopefully his
Speaker 4: body doesn't betray him.
Speaker 1: Or where can our football fans go? Find your work, buddy?
Speaker 4: You can find me the scouting reports that mock drafts,
Speaker 4: the five hundred player big board aforementioned on Matthew Berry's
Speaker 4: face Fantasy Life, and then you can find me on
Speaker 4: Twitter at ku.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, appreciate the time. I know you're busy. We'll
Speaker 1: set you loose. Okay.
Speaker 4: Always good talking to you guys.
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