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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna be disciplined today, Steve, you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>so proud of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, whiskey, come and take my pain, the moneys, my ry,

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<v Speaker 2>oh whiskey.

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<v Speaker 3>Why think alone when you can drink it all in

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<v Speaker 3>with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour. Join your bartenders Steve Hayward,

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<v Speaker 3>John You, and the international Woman of Mystery, Lucretia where

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<v Speaker 3>they slapped it up and David, ain't you easy on

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<v Speaker 3>the soul? I have got to give me and let

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<v Speaker 3>that whiskey flow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Welcome everyone to this edition of the Three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Hour, which is super extra special. I'm not really

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<v Speaker 1>sure why, but every edition of the Three Whiskey Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Hour is super extra special when the three of us

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<v Speaker 1>are able to get together and pontificate about all the

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<v Speaker 1>important things we know so much about and usually things

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know very much about it at all, but

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<v Speaker 1>we pretend to. So Welcome gentlemen to the Three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Hour, my co hosts Steve Hayward and John You.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I am much relieved, you know, John, I was afraid

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<v Speaker 3>that I kept from text messages all week. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>Lucretia was in an extra grumpy mood, and she sounds

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<v Speaker 3>positively abulliant here, So this is gonna be a good episode. No,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't like being called a buliant. I've ruined the

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<v Speaker 3>mood already.

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<v Speaker 2>They get out on.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, have it, John, You look like you're enjoying some

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<v Speaker 1>views of something behind you in that beautiful place you're in.

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<v Speaker 2>I am in the last days of the Claremont Institute

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<v Speaker 2>summer programs. They have week long programs, one for policy

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<v Speaker 2>and journalist and I would say government officials called the

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Fellowship, which was last week, and this week is

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<v Speaker 2>the one for law students and lawyers and future law

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<v Speaker 2>clirks called the Marshall Fellowship, which is coming to an

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<v Speaker 2>end tomorrow and is our tradition. I take all the

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<v Speaker 2>faculty and staff out to a gigantic Korean barbecue on

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<v Speaker 2>the last night. Oh yes, complete with you know, burning

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<v Speaker 2>meat and very bad liquor called soju.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what is it? What is the the provenance of soju?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it made from?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything in Asia, in one way or other, is made

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<v Speaker 2>out of rice. So I believe it is made out

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<v Speaker 2>of rice. There are other weird Korean drinks which we

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<v Speaker 2>don't show to the foreigners made out of other things

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<v Speaker 2>which taste even worse. Soju is a thing you usually

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<v Speaker 2>see them drinking on Korean melodramas on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you usually don't see any of those things because

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<v Speaker 1>I've never watched the Korean melodrama on Netflix. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>oh oh for the Tisha Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Lucretia is the mini series. Notice, squid Game would

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<v Speaker 2>be a rom com. Yeah, okay, you have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what swig game. Squid Game is a game where you

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<v Speaker 2>start with I think one hundred people who have to

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<v Speaker 2>fight to the death and there's one person at the end. So,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, a Lucretia, yes to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, maybe I have to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking everybody to Korean barbecue. I guess that's fitting revenge

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<v Speaker 3>for you for having inflicted all your positivism on them

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<v Speaker 3>in the course of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm paying because I have. They should be taking

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<v Speaker 2>me out for listening to two weeks of this natural

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<v Speaker 2>law book business plus at the Claremont Institute, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we should. We got to upgrade our merchandise store

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<v Speaker 2>because they were rolling out a new merchandise store and

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<v Speaker 2>then be showing me all these hats, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>that has to just say natural law on the front

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<v Speaker 2>of them. You didn't get one, no, And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>one that Lucretia. I've got for Lucretia says mass deportation.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's going to walk around town with a hat that

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<v Speaker 2>says mass deportation?

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<v Speaker 1>Only with Krisia my town, you could do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>probably wouldn't want to do it in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>But can I just mention one other thing while we're

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<v Speaker 3>getting started? I do you know, I'm trying to modify

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<v Speaker 3>the substack side. I finally figured out some of how

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<v Speaker 3>it works. It's quite complicated really and limiting. But the

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<v Speaker 3>good for ratings. Sydney Sweeney's back in the news. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you guys saw this, but The New

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<v Speaker 3>Yorker has this. The New Yorker has this absolutely preposterous

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<v Speaker 3>article by one of their radical black authors who hates

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<v Speaker 3>white people, according to her sense deleted Twitter feed, about

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<v Speaker 3>all the liberal creches about why the Sydney Sweeney thing

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<v Speaker 3>has anchored in white supremacy and all the rest of that.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank God for the New Yorker to keep this

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<v Speaker 3>story alive and give it, shall we say, legs? That's all?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm already then, all right, well let's get going.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough of you guys. I want to know your quick

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the major issues of this last week, just

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<v Speaker 1>so if people are listening to this a year from now,

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<v Speaker 1>which I sometimes do and have been lately just for

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<v Speaker 1>the fun of it, they know what's actually going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. So the first thing is today, are

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<v Speaker 1>we are actually recording early? Even though you will see

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<v Speaker 1>John drinking whiskey at ten o'clock in the morning in

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<v Speaker 1>the picture that Steve's gonna post, maybe that the Alaska

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<v Speaker 1>summit is going on today and we don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>that's all going to turn out. But Steve had an

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<v Speaker 1>analogy man piece about it yesterday or today in substack.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are interested in finding out what exactly is

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<v Speaker 1>the historical parallels between Reggaevic and Reggaevic and Alaska. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess if it's cold in both places. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we can go beyond that. But look, before you go, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me John, what do you think is going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen today? You pro Ukrainian War longo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just saw the original Neokon. You mean, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, first, I don't think summits are really very

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<v Speaker 2>good ideas in general. The most the most effective ones,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the ones where there's already an agreement that's

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<v Speaker 2>been basically made, and then the people show up and

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<v Speaker 2>they are ceremonialize it, if that's a word. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan and Gorbachev getting together in Washington and Moscow as

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<v Speaker 2>they were winding up the Cold War, signing things like

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<v Speaker 2>the I n F Treaty, which actually the Soviets never

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<v Speaker 2>really obeyed. But you look at other summits and they've

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty bad for the United States, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the most famous one was Kennedy Krishtchov and in Vienna,

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<v Speaker 2>which historians think encouraged Krushchev to try to take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the weak American president, lead to the Berlin Wall,

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<v Speaker 2>which we allowed to go up without a shot, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the Cuban Missile crisis, where the Soviets tried to

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<v Speaker 2>actually place nuclear missiles in Cuba. And people sometimes point

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<v Speaker 2>to the as Steve did, the Rekuevik summit between Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>and Gorbachev. I don't think that was a bad one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there wasn't There was no productive, positive agreement there,

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<v Speaker 2>But that actually was a victory I think for the

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<v Speaker 2>United States because we didn't give up anti ballistic missile programs.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't really see what's to be gained by

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<v Speaker 2>having summits. Maybe it will get the peace process started

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine. I don't really see how it could change it.

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<v Speaker 2>The facts on the ground are that the Russians are

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<v Speaker 2>going to I think, keep the slice of eastern Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>that they've taken at the cost of over one million casualties,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Russians could keep fighting this war of attrition,

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<v Speaker 2>and we and the Europeans could keep paying and supporting

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainans could keep inflicting massive casualties

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<v Speaker 2>on the Russians for inches and feet and not really

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<v Speaker 2>I think the results on the ground now. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to have a ceasefire and eventually peace agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to look like where the troops

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<v Speaker 2>are roughly today, with some kind of North Korean armistice

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<v Speaker 2>or face off. But I don't think having a summit

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<v Speaker 2>between Trump and Putin is really going to change that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, Jeohn, you mentioned the famous Krushchev JFK summit

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen sixty one, where even Kennedy knew because he

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<v Speaker 3>said to people afterwards. It's on the record in multiple

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<v Speaker 3>places that boy he ate me for lunch or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. He just brutalized me. I think Krushev realized

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<v Speaker 3>that Kennedy was weak and experienced, et cetera. And you

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<v Speaker 3>rightly say that open the door for not just the

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<v Speaker 3>missiles in Cuba, but building the Berlin Wall and several

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<v Speaker 3>other things. Let us remember that Biden had a summit

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<v Speaker 3>with Putin in twenty twenty one, and I'm guessing that

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<v Speaker 3>Putin could tell right away what the rest of us

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<v Speaker 3>became apparent ultimately to everybody, that there was no there

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<v Speaker 3>there with Biden, that he was already decrepit in, weak

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<v Speaker 3>and so forth. And Trump, I think is right to

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<v Speaker 3>say that Putin would not have invaded Ukraine he'd been president.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do think that, by the way, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the Reiki BC summit, the parallel. There's some differences,

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<v Speaker 3>but one parallel is the Reagan people. They pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>knew or were pretty certain that this was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be an ambush. I mean, remember the reason for it,

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<v Speaker 3>put together in haste, kind of like this meeting put together.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, Reagan people said, it's not a summit,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just a quick meeting. Nancy didn't even go along

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<v Speaker 3>with the president. And the idea was it was a

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<v Speaker 3>Gorbachev's idea, not Reagan's. That's because their negotiators were deadlocked,

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<v Speaker 3>and and Garbagchov thought he'd be clever saying, let's meet

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<v Speaker 3>together and break the deadlock and have the outline of

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<v Speaker 3>agreement and make our guys go back to the table

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<v Speaker 3>and work it out. And of course it was as

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<v Speaker 3>we know in ambush. Reagan said no and got mad

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<v Speaker 3>and walked out, and it was his finest moment. And actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I think even Gorbachev recognized later that's when we won

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<v Speaker 3>the Cold War. We didn't know it at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I won't go on further with all that, but

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<v Speaker 3>I am hoping we're talking before the meeting's taking place,

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<v Speaker 3>and most people will listen to this after it's over,

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<v Speaker 3>and we may know something. I think we won't know

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<v Speaker 3>for years. All that goes on behind closed doors, as

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't know for years. What went on in detail

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<v Speaker 3>between Reagan and Gorbig Job is actually fascinating, the whole

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<v Speaker 3>the whole back and forth between them that came out

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<v Speaker 3>later in the transcripts, But the listeners are going to

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<v Speaker 3>know what happened. But I am hoping that Trump will,

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<v Speaker 3>in his own Trumpian way, emulate Reagan's performance at that summit,

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<v Speaker 3>and that will represent progress in my mind, even though

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<v Speaker 3>the media and everybody else will say no, okay, so yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best thing that can happen is nothing. Yeah, Steve, is

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying me too. The best thing I have

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<v Speaker 2>is not don't give away the store, don't sell anything,

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be right, Yeah, and what is You

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that Putin is prepared to give up anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think he might agree to Okay, we'll cease

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<v Speaker 3>the air war, we'll cut back the missiles, bombings and things.

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<v Speaker 3>They may be short of munitions. Anyway, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>that as much of a penalty for Putin because I

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<v Speaker 3>think they need time to regroup and rearm and they'll

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<v Speaker 3>continue to grind it out on the ground. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that is an easy thing for him to give away.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe would do you think Trump would never consider trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get Zelensky to agree to giving up some territory.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that, but I think the terms of

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<v Speaker 3>that are important. You know, we never recognized, even when

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<v Speaker 3>I think that as a practical matter, we might say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Eastern Europe at the end of World War Two. The

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<v Speaker 3>facts on the ground is there's the Russian army. They're

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<v Speaker 3>in possession of this land. We're not going to contest that.

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<v Speaker 3>But we might also as a political matter, not recognize it.

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<v Speaker 3>That has its defects, but I think something like that

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, John, I agree. I don't think that the Russians

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<v Speaker 2>a functioning democracy, I think it's that difficult for Putin

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<v Speaker 2>of it is? I think Steve's right that he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the land that he has, and we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to spend the resources to dislodge him from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not clear the Ukrainians even could at this point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's much easier to fight that fight on the defensive

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<v Speaker 2>and inflict casualties. But we saw what happened when the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainians tried to go on the offensive, right they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They were unable to carry one out. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's why you can see the terms of an agreement there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would also say Trump shouldn't try to negotiate

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<v Speaker 2>right there in person, even though he thinks he's a

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<v Speaker 2>great negotiator. It would be better to let the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the underlings do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you in that sense you underestimate the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamics of the personalities involved and how much won't get

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<v Speaker 1>done by underlings if they don't. If both if both

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<v Speaker 1>But I could be wrong about that. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to the next topic, and that John, that is that

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<v Speaker 1>even though you know you and I disagree about Ukraine's

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<v Speaker 1>importance to our national security, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you've never done, which so many of both the people

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<v Speaker 1>try to shape the narrative, is to claim that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine is winning this war and Putin's on the run,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, on and on and on with just

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<v Speaker 1>this this really specious sort of evidence about Ukraine's victories

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the last three years. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to give you, I want to call out you

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<v Speaker 3>Neye Khan, Well you wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard you pray Steve like that about anything once.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, I know what I'm saying, Steve. Steve doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get that kind of love.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break and we'll come right back,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe I'll have a worse mood. All right, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about crime, guys. Is crime up? Is crime down?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you afraid of getting mugged every time you go

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<v Speaker 1>to your car, or only when you're in DC, New York,

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<v Speaker 3>Or when you're shopping at CBS and everything's locked up

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<v Speaker 3>behind the counter. You know, Trump is genius. He's gotten

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats to argue that crime is not a problem when

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<v Speaker 3>and the statistics I think are even worse and more

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<v Speaker 3>inaccurate than the job statistics, which have lately been such

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<v Speaker 3>a fuss of the Bureau of Labor statistics. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't DC dismiss a command recently or suspend a commander

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<v Speaker 3>recently for faking the statistics? And there's been suspicions this

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<v Speaker 3>has been going on for a long time with the

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<v Speaker 3>crime reports. But look, everybody you know sees these videos

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<v Speaker 3>of shoplifting going on, They see the disorder on the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>James Lynx was just telling me that on his block

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<v Speaker 3>something like twenty five cars had their windows smashed in

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<v Speaker 2>Times because Lylax was walking out late at night.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why, right, Well, I mean my joke is, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is literally an example of what happens

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<v Speaker 3>when you don't practice broken windows policing. Right, how much

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<v Speaker 3>more direct can you get than that. I won't go

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<v Speaker 3>through the whole argument here. I mean, we know what

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<v Speaker 3>works in fighting crime and why the left abandoned it

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<v Speaker 3>on purpose over the last ten to fifteen years. And

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<v Speaker 3>as I say, I think people walk into any urban area,

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<v Speaker 3>walk into CBS or a Walgreens, and everything's locked behind

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<v Speaker 3>the counter. Don't try telling people that what they're perceiving

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What do you think, John about this the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that some I think some tiny little progress is being

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<v Speaker 1>made in demonstrating to the world. Think about Scarborough's confessions.

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<v Speaker 1>Call it on MSNBC the other day where he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one percent of the black I think minority Americans

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<v Speaker 1>want something done about crime. Crime does not affect the

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<v Speaker 1>people in Washington, DC who have either most of them

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer provided security. They live inside of gated communities in

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<v Speaker 1>places with dormen that stop crime from coming into their homes.

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<v Speaker 1>They you know, Trump doesn't care about crime from a

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<v Speaker 1>personal point of view, Right, Well, I mean, nobody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to break into his car and steal his radio, his

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<v Speaker 1>sound system. And my point is they're trying very hard

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<v Speaker 1>to pretend that this is just racism. On Trump's part

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<v Speaker 1>that it's because black people happen to be the mayors

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<v Speaker 1>in all of those places that have the very worst crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's all about racism. But are people buying it, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is my question.

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<v Speaker 2>So first, the people who I think suffer the effects

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<v Speaker 2>of inner city crime the most are the minority communities,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're often the ones who want the stronger police presence.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember this from one of Justice Thomas's opinions, because

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago actually tried to pass a law with Chicago minds

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<v Speaker 2>you in the I think in the nineties to make

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<v Speaker 2>loitering something like a misdemeanor loitering on street corners because

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Courts struck it down. And just as Thomas wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>I think at dissent or concurrence, just laying out the

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<v Speaker 2>facts of how much crime affects the people that the

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<v Speaker 2>liberals purport to be helping. So I was on a

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<v Speaker 2>TV about this question of the federalization of the police.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of different issues, but just to start

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<v Speaker 2>with the crime issue. People in DC will say, you're

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<v Speaker 2>hearing them say, now, crime is falling in DC, why

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<v Speaker 2>do you need to send in the troops. Essentially, crime

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<v Speaker 2>is falling in a lot of our cities, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>because they're comparing it to the pandemic statistics. When crime

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<v Speaker 2>was already going back up before the pandemic, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it shot way up during the pandemic because you basically

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<v Speaker 2>told people they couldn't go outside for two years, and

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot of people like went nuts, I think

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<v Speaker 2>during the pandemic. But if you look at the statistics

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<v Speaker 2>compared to the pre pandemic, particularly is de pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>during the period where and Republican mayors and governments are

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to put tough on crime policies, in effect, crime

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<v Speaker 2>is extremely high. So if you look at the DC

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<v Speaker 2>murder statistics, yes they've come down since the pandemic, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you compare it to ten years ago murder when

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<v Speaker 2>I just eyebought the statistics, it looked like murder was

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<v Speaker 2>up about sixty percent. I mean, that should be unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>specific point. There's a lot Steve talked about crime going unreported,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of different reasons for that, not

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<v Speaker 1>just all of them. Manipulated crime statistics the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>things that go unreported. Murder, it seems to me, is

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<v Speaker 1>not one of those crimes that can be unreported. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that correct? And that's why if you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>murder rate as opposed to other kinds of violent crime,

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<v Speaker 1>it's much more accurate. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>I think murder, I mean, I think the murder rate

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<v Speaker 2>is the most reliable statistic because you have a dead body,

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<v Speaker 2>and so even if it doesn't depend on like people's

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<v Speaker 2>subjective opinions, right, like, you got a dead body, So

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I mean, they're always, you know, differences,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think murder, I think gives you the best

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<v Speaker 2>picture of what crime is like.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I add to that? But I'm well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm having the clearance rate is important on murders, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure that stands. But I think clearance rates

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<v Speaker 3>have fallen and that's very bad. So even if you

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<v Speaker 3>have perfect statistics on murder rates, if they're not solving

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<v Speaker 3>a large number of them, that's a bad sign for

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement. Second, I'm having flashbacks to the late great

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<v Speaker 3>Mayor Marion Barry, who sometimes remember sometime in the late eighties

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<v Speaker 3>or who's a crack addict. Right, Sometimes in the late

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<v Speaker 3>eighties or early nineties, he said this, He said, really,

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<v Speaker 3>the crime rate in DC isn't that bad if you

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<v Speaker 3>leave out all the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exact, which is actually true, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But I will add this only because it's a cultural

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<v Speaker 3>relevant cultural commentary. Is the good old days. When Jay

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<v Speaker 3>Leno had the United Tonight Show. His remark, which imagine

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<v Speaker 3>if he said this today, he said, Mayor Berry is

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<v Speaker 3>the person that puts the Columbia in the district of Columbia.

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<v Speaker 3>That was one of his monologue jokes. This shows you

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<v Speaker 3>what's happened to our late night shows, you Carson. Those

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<v Speaker 3>guys skewered both sides equally, and that's what's missing today.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's another subject.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, can you let me just finish up one last point?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, but the on the on the sorry, but

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the first line is I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to explain the difference in policing that occurred before because

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<v Speaker 2>of before the pandemic even was that you know what

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<v Speaker 2>Giuliani and people like that figured out what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>was that you would use crime statistics to predict where

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<v Speaker 2>crime was going to happen, so you would surge police

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<v Speaker 2>officers to these It seems like common sense, but this

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<v Speaker 2>was considered a revolution. You would use uh these statistics

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<v Speaker 2>to search police to these street corners, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>were allowed to do what we call stop and frisk,

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<v Speaker 2>which the Supreme Court is upheld, which means you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to have problem caused someone's committee crime to stop

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<v Speaker 2>them asking questions for some for weapons. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these mayors that Steve's talking about overturned those policies around

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<v Speaker 2>Obama administration, and we see it's just a cause and effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Crimes starts surging, and it just started keeping and then

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<v Speaker 2>it really exploded during the pandemic, and we haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>able to bring crime rates back down because these mayors

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<v Speaker 1>So, Steve, I don't know if you remember. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we were actually on Ricochet, not on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>the huge crime rates of Chicago, but when you actually

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the map, the crime was like ninety percent

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<v Speaker 1>concentrated in and I'm going to say ten fifteen neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago. And that's a going back to the point

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<v Speaker 1>you made before I interrupted you, which is that crime

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<v Speaker 1>affects those marginalized communities and so much more severely than

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<v Speaker 1>it does So people in Chicago can say, yeah, crime

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<v Speaker 1>is not a problem to me. I don't happen to

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<v Speaker 1>live in those areas. Now, Washington, d C is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different because most of Washington d C is

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<v Speaker 1>a crime ridden.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, go ahead, Actually there's three there's three quadrants in

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<v Speaker 2>Washington right, northwest, north southeast, south OFLK, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>people with any money will live in the northwest part.

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<v Speaker 2>All the white people live in northwest right, and the

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<v Speaker 2>crime is in the other three districts.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way. Really, Oh sorry, see, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to make a quick point that I want you guys

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<v Speaker 1>to come in on before we go to break, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is that, you know, the big talk lately is Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if DC is such a problem, it's because home rule

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<v Speaker 1>really doesn't work, and you've got to just make us

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<v Speaker 1>a state and that sort of thing. And I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a proposal the other day that said, no, what we

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<v Speaker 1>really need to do is preserve the original idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a district of Columbia for the central government, but we

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<v Speaker 1>need to confine it too the area that's encompassed by Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court, and the White House, and give everything

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<v Speaker 1>else over to Maryland.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I'm for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, that's very and that's not far off from

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<v Speaker 2>what the Liberals wanted to do, except they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>make all that remaining land a state, right back to Maryland.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be done, Okay, go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a heat map of crime in DC, and

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<v Speaker 3>it does show that the northwest has very little. It's

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<v Speaker 3>all concentrated in the other areas, kind of like Chicago,

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<v Speaker 3>although it has crept in the northwest. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>talked to Christine Rosen, who lives in a very nice

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<v Speaker 3>place up in Upper Georgetown, and she talks about crime

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<v Speaker 3>in her neighborhood quite a lot. The second thing, the

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<v Speaker 3>person you're trying to remember, Linda is Lucretia is our

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<v Speaker 3>friend of mine. John's Rafael Monguel Manhattan Institute, and he

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<v Speaker 3>is the go to guy in all things in these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one last point about your point, Lucretia, which is

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<v Speaker 2>interesting about this is the right now today the DC

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General that like they have one and the city

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<v Speaker 2>right and the mayor filed lawsuit to prevent the takeover,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and their arguments you can't federalize Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, has no one read the constitution?

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<v Speaker 2>It is all federal. The whole thing is a federal city.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the mayor is on thief saying Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is invading the prerogatives of local government over police. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, that can't happen to Washington. You are just

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<v Speaker 2>a subset of the federal government. And here's it. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's an interesting constitutional question because I Trump hasn't mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>this as administration, as mentioned it you heard it here. First,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Trump should fire the mayor and fire the

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<v Speaker 2>chief of police and the attorney general and remove them

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<v Speaker 2>because they're parts of the executive branch. Right, how are

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<v Speaker 2>they anymore free of removal than you know, all these

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<v Speaker 2>NRB and SEC agencies. That would be a great constitutional test.

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<v Speaker 2>If Trump just said, okay, you want to file suit,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm firing all of you because I'm the chief executive,

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<v Speaker 2>and the laws must be faithfully executed. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>first place they should be faithful executed the district that

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<v Speaker 2>belongs to the federal government in the Constitution. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this would be a great challenge to this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>independent agencies.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it, and it would restore criminal restore you know,

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<v Speaker 2>criminal justice in the city.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it too. And it would undermine the argument

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<v Speaker 1>that's constantly being made about when he that he's just

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<v Speaker 1>going to take over the whole country, right. It could

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<v Speaker 1>it could create a little bit of distance. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break, very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, everyone. I'm going to drive my co hosts

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and John crazy by m absolutely over the top

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<v Speaker 1>discuss dismay, despicab how I find so despicable anybody these

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<v Speaker 1>days who even claims to be affiliated in any way

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<v Speaker 1>with Obama or Biden administrations. And I think they are treasonous, seditious,

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy conspiracists is at the right now, and I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago, we discussed this briefly and

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<v Speaker 1>John was like, there's nothing really there there, John, Let

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<v Speaker 1>me first ask are you changing your mind yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really? I mean I don't see a big change

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<v Speaker 2>in the facts we know. But that's because I've read

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<v Speaker 2>the Durham Report pretty closely, and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this is in the Durham Report. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really feel there's a lot more. And then a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it has to do with whether you think so

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<v Speaker 2>the primary or dispute I think is this that President

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<v Speaker 2>Obama tasks the intelligence agencies after the election to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out whether Russia tried to interfere in the election or

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<v Speaker 2>help Trump. Right, So I don't think that's actually an

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<v Speaker 2>illegitimate thing for a president to want to know about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's well within its constitutional power. So the

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<v Speaker 2>question is, right is my I understand this, and this

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<v Speaker 2>meeting is discussed in the Duram Report. But the question

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<v Speaker 2>is this question of intention? Did they do it on

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<v Speaker 2>purpose to try to screw over the Trump administration or

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<v Speaker 2>was this actually a legitimate question for intelligence?

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<v Speaker 1>So can I reframe the question as you phrased it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a question of whether Trump was whether

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<v Speaker 1>Russia assisted Trump in becoming elected. That was not the

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<v Speaker 1>question because they had already determined that Russia did in

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<v Speaker 1>fact interfere in the election, but not to help either

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<v Speaker 1>Trump or Hillary Clinton, but that they just interfered like

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<v Speaker 1>we interfere in other people's elections, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a an order, and there seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>more and more. If I'm not sure that you can

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<v Speaker 1>get it all the way up to Obama, but you

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<v Speaker 1>certainly can now with these released emails and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>pin on Clapper and Brennan that they wanted to create

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligence that made it look as if Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>helped by Russia, and they wanted to do everything illegal

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<v Speaker 1>like leak parts of it and of the intelligence and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, made up intelligence, the Steele dossier and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that purposefully to harm Trump in his first term.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think if you, if you present it like

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<v Speaker 1>you presented it, whether the Russians interfered in the election,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what happened. It was already determined that they had.

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<v Speaker 1>The question was, how, oh, can we prove that when

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<v Speaker 1>they interfered in the election, they did so to help Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact more evidence indicates that they did so

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<v Speaker 1>to help Hillary. They knew about Hillary's financial problem, shall

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<v Speaker 1>we say, her corruption and the fact that she's a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy old hag of a harpie. I mean, she's got

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<v Speaker 1>mental issues, psychosis and physical issues, and they knew that

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<v Speaker 1>and they hit it because they knew they could use

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<v Speaker 1>it against her when she won. So there's lots of

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to the contrary.

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<v Speaker 3>You left out Herodin in that. Yeah, it's one of

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<v Speaker 3>my favorites. Look, I think I was gonna say you

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<v Speaker 3>were a little unfair to John, but then he went

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<v Speaker 3>and mumbled that there's not much here. I think what

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<v Speaker 3>John said a week ago or two weeks ago was

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<v Speaker 3>this doesn't really qualify as treason sedition maybe, but okay,

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<v Speaker 3>leave that aside, because that's yeah, leave that side. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I do think I think my reading of what's come out,

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<v Speaker 3>and I haven't read at all, but is that the

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<v Speaker 3>Russians are more interested in sowing chaos than necessarily favoring Hillary.

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<v Speaker 3>And they succeeded at that, right, I mean, look what

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<v Speaker 3>it did. And I do think that the big question is,

565
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<v Speaker 3>and this is gonna be hard to get at, is

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<v Speaker 3>what was Obama's motive? I think they I think we

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<v Speaker 3>now know better that intelligence concluded early on that there

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<v Speaker 3>was no connection between the Trump campaign and the Russians,

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<v Speaker 3>which you know the Democrats want. And I think this

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<v Speaker 3>was contrived to hobble his presidency. And now are we

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<v Speaker 3>going to get I mean, it's a practical thing. What's

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<v Speaker 3>going to make this blow up? You need the equivalent

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<v Speaker 3>of John Dean. You need somebody from inside Obama or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the Biden administration to come forward in testimony one

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<v Speaker 3>way or another and spill the beans, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what's come out this week. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the whistleblower inside, a Democratic appointee intelligence person inside, has

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<v Speaker 1>come out and spoken to several of these issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I say, is a When I say as a

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<v Speaker 3>practical matter, I mean, what is going to galvanize public

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<v Speaker 3>opinion to the point where the public says, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this is intolerable. This is a greater scandal than Watergate.

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<v Speaker 3>There need to be prosecutions. It took John Dene being

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<v Speaker 3>televised at the hearings in the summer of seventy three

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<v Speaker 3>for Watergate to turn upside down and turn decisively against

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<v Speaker 3>the Nixon although be it albeit slowly. I do think

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<v Speaker 3>the last point on this is, you know Trump I

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned in the article I wrote for Cimitas this week

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<v Speaker 3>that very interesting interview Trump gave an April to The

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<v Speaker 3>Spectator to Ben Dominich was the interviewer where he said, boy,

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<v Speaker 3>I knew who politics in Washington was rough, but I

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<v Speaker 3>had no idea on my first term how bad it

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<v Speaker 3>is in retrospect. I think Trump knows he should have

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<v Speaker 3>fired Comy on day one. He should not have a

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<v Speaker 3>point of Jeff's sessions as Attorney General of Sessions is

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<v Speaker 3>going to give in to a special counsel and recuse himself.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh And and that's uh. And I think it explains

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of how.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was about the Hillary decision not prosecuting Hillary. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you differently if he knew what would have happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't. I mean, I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 3>could know. If the president shouldn't, I think probably not

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<v Speaker 3>waiting to try and reopen that particular thing. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think what he could have said to Comya is I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>He could have been nice about it and said, look, job,

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<v Speaker 3>well done, but you're too compromised because of the whole

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<v Speaker 3>Hillary mishandling and so forth, and and uh, look we

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<v Speaker 3>say it this way. I think one of the objects

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<v Speaker 3>of that whole operation between election date and inauguration date

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<v Speaker 3>was to force the appointment of a special Council, which,

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<v Speaker 3>as John knows, absolutely hobbles a White House. It just

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<v Speaker 3>distracts all kinds of time from staff and from the

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<v Speaker 3>White House Council's office and so forth dominates the headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it took forever to get the Muller

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<v Speaker 3>report finally out, and so, uh, where's going with all

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<v Speaker 3>that is? I think Trump too understands those things, and

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<v Speaker 3>if he had to do it over again, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it would have gone quite differently. He would have fought

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<v Speaker 3>back right away about all of that and say the

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<v Speaker 3>Steel Report this is. You can imagine how he would

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<v Speaker 3>talk about it now, knowing what he knows. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that interview, as I mentioned, quite revealing, and Trump, having

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<v Speaker 3>thought about it during four years out of office, has

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<v Speaker 3>come back for his second term. I think a completely

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<v Speaker 3>transformed person. And it's why he's a more comfortable in

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<v Speaker 3>his own skin and more effective and also much more

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<v Speaker 3>aggressive in a certain way than he was in the

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<v Speaker 3>first term.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me go back and like distinguish, I

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<v Speaker 2>think who's liable for what? So my response was mostly

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<v Speaker 2>about Obama I think Tulsa Gabbart has been irresponsible saying

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<v Speaker 2>Obama committed to engaging creusing this conduct. And again, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's very different than John Ratcliffe, the head of

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA, referring right Homey and Brennan now actually not Comy,

635
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<v Speaker 2>just Brennan and Clopper for prosecution. That's so I think

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<v Speaker 2>President bomba but just can't be That's what I mean.

637
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<v Speaker 2>He can't. I don't think he'd be prosecuted. He has immunity.

638
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 2>He's acting in his official capacity, and he can say

639
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<v Speaker 2>I would like this question investigated by the intelligence agencies.

640
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<v Speaker 2>And right, maybe he was trying, Maybe he could have

641
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hobble the Trump administration. Presidents can do that

642
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 2>if they feel like it in a lot of legitimate ways,

643
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 2>using their authority. He doesn't have to hand over the

644
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<v Speaker 2>government nicely to Trump. That's different than the liability of

645
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<v Speaker 2>Clapper and Brennan, who I wasn't really talking about. So there,

646
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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's I think it's legitimate to open

647
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<v Speaker 2>up an investigation. And what they're going to say, of course,

648
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:42.800
<v Speaker 2>is President Obama ordered us to look into what affected

649
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<v Speaker 2>the Russians have? What were they trying to do. Was

650
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Trump involved with them? We all know that's all untrue,

651
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<v Speaker 2>now right, We all know that this was all the

652
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>hoax and this was manufactured, you know, maybe one of

653
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<v Speaker 2>the greatest dirty political tricks in presidential campaign history, which

654
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<v Speaker 2>is part of the way, is not necessarily illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've said it. I'm gonna play Steve for a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna play analogy girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad day.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember what it was that Richard Nixon was prosecuted

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<v Speaker 1>for or investigated for. Some people broke into Daniel Ellsberg's

660
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<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist's office to get dirt on him so they could

661
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>undermine his reputation. On the whole Pentagon papers thing, Democratic headquarters. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all those those minor, minor things that I mean seriously

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<v Speaker 1>but illegal minor things. But Richard Nixon didn't do them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's obstruction, is what you're talking. He was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>your construction.

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<v Speaker 3>Justice and conspiracy and conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>How is this different?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't see how President Obama committed obstruction.

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<v Speaker 1>To the extent that all of those people all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through never said a word that they were, that

671
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<v Speaker 1>his people stopped investigations into Hillary Clinton, that his people

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<v Speaker 1>uh that his people over zealously went after Trump. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a short amount of time that it happens. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you that. But I think that you could go

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<v Speaker 1>back and say, insofar as he directed the intelligence community

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<v Speaker 1>to find to manufacture.

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<v Speaker 2>A because he did not order that, that's an exact

678
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<v Speaker 2>that's going too far.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see. It seems that that reports of that meeting

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's exactly what he did. I mean, the

681
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<v Speaker 1>reports about what had happened with Russia, the intelligence reports

682
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 1>were all ready extant. He wanted them changed, and he

683
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<v Speaker 1>wanted anything that could be done to prove that, yes,

684
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>they actually came in to help them.

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<v Speaker 2>So you would you so you think it would. A

686
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<v Speaker 2>president can't say, Okay, the CIA are telling me this

687
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<v Speaker 2>and the FBI telling me that. I feel it in

688
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<v Speaker 2>my bones though that this there's more to it than that,

689
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<v Speaker 2>So I want you to go back and look for more.

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<v Speaker 2>President can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he absolutely could do that, But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What That's what that's all that Obama does. You know, Facially,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it looked like he did Facially that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, you're gonna yeah, but you're trying to

696
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<v Speaker 2>say you know, but in his mind, he really had

697
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<v Speaker 2>a different intention.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's more evidence of to it than that.

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<v Speaker 2>But but let's take a quick That's why, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I say I don't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Steve has something to He's going to be much

702
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<v Speaker 1>better at being analogy man than increase you could ever

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<v Speaker 1>be an analogy girl.

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<v Speaker 3>So take aways I have so much it's more practice

705
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 3>of this. Why do you even presume to contest the

706
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<v Speaker 3>champion of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the sad thing is, I know you have superhero

709
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 2>costumes that say this on them, and like you guys

710
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 2>watched dists in some way and launch new super power.

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<v Speaker 1>Someday when when I get my my uh Tiffany inspired

712
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>tinfoil hat, will get Steve his analogy man super hero costume.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is, you know I made I did make

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<v Speaker 3>one with a big A on it, and I weren't

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<v Speaker 3>in the public and people, yeah, you know I was

717
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 3>something like that, or you know, I was like trying to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, do some reenactment of the Thaniel Hawthorn or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Look, I mean, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>go back to the Nixon impeachment, a lot needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be said about it. I'll just say one thing quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the charges brought against him that was

723
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<v Speaker 3>did not pass the Judiciary committee was abuse of power.

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<v Speaker 3>H And also, I mean they had two or three

725
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<v Speaker 3>different counts that related to abuse of power. One of

726
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:57.480
<v Speaker 3>them was about the budget, one of them was on

727
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 3>war powers. And you know, the argument of Republicans then,

728
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<v Speaker 3>which succeeded, was no, No, the standard for impeachment should

729
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<v Speaker 3>be actual crimes, and that's why they're repaired to conspiracy

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<v Speaker 3>and instruction of justice. I think those charge I think

731
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<v Speaker 3>those charges were wrong about Nixon's abuse of power, but

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<v Speaker 3>those are much more like what Hamilton had in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>And was it Federals fifty five about an inquest in

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<v Speaker 3>the conduct of public men? Uh? And?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>So I think what happened to was it sixty five?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty five? Yeah? Okay? In any case, the point is

739
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<v Speaker 3>is that it seems to me that the abuse of

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<v Speaker 3>power standard is a political standard more so than a

741
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<v Speaker 3>criminal standard. And for that, I think Obama and the

742
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 3>people around him deserve the most searching scrutiny for it.

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<v Speaker 3>And and you know, I'm not for retroactive impeachments, but

744
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<v Speaker 3>there ought to be.

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<v Speaker 2>At least you can't impeach people who are out of office.

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<v Speaker 2>But right right, I totally agree with you. I'm not

747
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<v Speaker 2>saying that this shouldn't be investigated. I actually think congress

748
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>would be the better form, because you just want to

749
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<v Speaker 2>lay out what people did and the bad judgments or

750
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>ulterior motives they had, even if they can't be criminally prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a mistake, you know, to say, oh,

752
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<v Speaker 2>we can handle this by referring this to the Attorney

753
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 2>general for prosecution. That's actually setting the bar too high.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if Hillary Clinton executed this dirtiest of political

755
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:19.599
<v Speaker 2>tricks in campaign history, then lay it all out for

756
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the American people. You can't do that for the prosecution

757
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>because you can't prosecute her for this, but you can

758
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>certainly have a committee laid out and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask a question about that? Though? Let me ask.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were discussing the John dene example and the

761
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<v Speaker 1>Watergate hearings. I was fourteen at the time.

762
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<v Speaker 2>I watched them.

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<v Speaker 1>From beginning to end, and I wasn't even all that

764
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 1>interested in politics at fourteen, like Steve was, you know,

765
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>but after years of these these investigative committees that go

766
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<v Speaker 1>nowhere in Congress, and I blame Republicans probably more for

767
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that than I do Democrats. You know, the Bengd hearings.

768
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<v Speaker 1>We could go on and on how much attention would

769
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<v Speaker 1>be paid to congressional committees in the world. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the larger, more legal structure isn't still important,

771
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<v Speaker 1>But from the point of view of public perception, have

772
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<v Speaker 1>we just we've just turned them into a circus and

773
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<v Speaker 1>people don't pay that much attention anymore, Am I wrong?

774
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<v Speaker 2>No?

775
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<v Speaker 3>Well, and it's harder for some of the conventional reasons,

776
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.960
<v Speaker 3>more media, shorter attention spans, the fact that we overtelevise.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'd be for going back to not televising

778
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<v Speaker 3>the House and Senate, which I think have ruined the

779
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 3>deliberative capacity of them. But look again, I think of

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00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.719
<v Speaker 3>this in show business terms. And I've mentioned this before,

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<v Speaker 3>although it's been a while, and it's also thirty years

782
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 3>ago now, so maybe it's obsolete also, But you did

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<v Speaker 3>have those hearings in the late nineties that have all

784
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<v Speaker 3>unlikely people Senator Bill Roth of Delaware prosecuted or prosecutor

785
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 3>ran about IRS abuses, and the moment that got on

786
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the front pages of the papers and on TV above

787
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<v Speaker 3>the fold is when he had someone come in and testify,

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<v Speaker 3>an inside whistleblower from behind a screen. I think in

789
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<v Speaker 3>one case, like voice Altering that it was great theater

790
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<v Speaker 3>and great show business. One of my criticisms is that

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans aren't good at that kind of theater. The hearing

792
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 3>format is bad for that. They could bring in Cheney, Well, well, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what you do is you do what the Watergate hearings

794
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<v Speaker 3>are like, and what the Iran Contra hearings are like.

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<v Speaker 3>You bring in councils who do you know there and

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're they're unable to do consistent twenty thirty minutes

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<v Speaker 3>of questioning, and there you lay out a consistent argument

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<v Speaker 3>and really pin people down. It's hard to make hearings

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<v Speaker 3>work when each person gets five minutes, and the bad

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00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 3>habit of senators and congressman is they want to speak

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<v Speaker 3>for four and a half of those minutes, and that's

802
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 3>a mistake. They should go right to question. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>John Kennedy is so great at this right. Why we

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00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 3>see highlight reels of John Carey from Louisiana is that

805
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.079
<v Speaker 3>he's really good at this. Put him in charge of this,

806
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 3>and I think you would get some results.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think, John Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I think committee hearings and investigations are very effective. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you mentioned the Bengazi hearings, and they may have

810
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 2>gotten everything Republicans wanted, but they should damage Hillary Clinton.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember that's where they had that clipper for

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<v Speaker 2>getting exasperated and saying something like but they're all dead anyway,

813
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<v Speaker 2>different right it really I think that really damaged her.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know from the other side that I

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00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:35.679
<v Speaker 2>got to think the Democrats have to think their January

816
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 2>sixth hearings were very effective. I mean they really skewered,

817
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, people on our side, and that that shows

818
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you how good they can be if our side were

819
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<v Speaker 2>to conduct them well well.

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<v Speaker 3>And remember they hired a producer from ABC Television to

821
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<v Speaker 3>organize those hearings because they understood that this was spectacle

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00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 3>as much as it was serious investigation. I hate to

823
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 3>put it that crudely, but that's how our modern world works.

824
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<v Speaker 3>That's even harder now with our mass media Twitter environment.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to sort of end a segment

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<v Speaker 1>by saying that my real concern and I told you

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<v Speaker 1>guys that my ultimate point to this discussion, to get

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<v Speaker 1>the point to get across, was the fact that Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>had none of that ever come to light in Watergate.

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<v Speaker 1>Had it never come to light that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>break in or any of that stuff, had there never

832
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<v Speaker 1>been a deep throat, there would have been no The

833
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<v Speaker 1>damage done to our republic was greater from the Watergate

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<v Speaker 1>fiasco than if nothing had ever happened, because there was

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<v Speaker 1>no inherent danger to the republic from the actions that

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<v Speaker 1>precipitated Watergate. The opposite I believe is true here. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean by that is all of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've said it yourself, they're investigated by Durham to

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<v Speaker 1>this and that they continue to be more or less ignored.

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<v Speaker 1>But the damage that was done by Obama insisting that

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<v Speaker 1>our intelligence communities be completely partisan, one sided, and targeting

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<v Speaker 1>an opposition candidate and then actual president those that is unparalleled, unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 1>Even analogy man over there in his fancy red shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think could come up with anything that even

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<v Speaker 1>approaches the kind of perfidy and maliciousness and destruction that

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<v Speaker 1>it does to our republic. Okay, analogy man challenge, Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well a minor one. First of all, this is

848
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<v Speaker 3>no ordinary red shirt. This is my antonin Scalia original shirts. Okay, wow,

849
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<v Speaker 3>that's yeah. You don't have one of these, John, you should? No, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll have to get you one to go with your

851
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<v Speaker 3>Claremont review books. Hat. Look, I think the intelligence community

852
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<v Speaker 3>was just as hostile to Nixon as the one as

853
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<v Speaker 3>the current intelligence community was to Trump. And that's a

854
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 3>long story, still a lot of murky aspects of it,

855
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<v Speaker 3>and I'll just leave it there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

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<v Speaker 1>close out this show. Welcome back. The final segment of

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<v Speaker 1>our show, we are going to offer, at the request

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<v Speaker 1>of a reader. A listener who is both a former

860
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<v Speaker 1>student of mine from a very long time ago, was

861
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<v Speaker 1>involved in the DA's office in San Bernardino, and is

862
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<v Speaker 1>now living his best life in Utah, asked us to

863
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<v Speaker 1>talk about books because we've been promising to do that

864
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<v Speaker 1>for I don't know, a month at least and never

865
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<v Speaker 1>get to it. So we're going to try to do

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<v Speaker 1>at least a small portion today, maybe more next week.

867
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<v Speaker 1>But the question that we're going to look at today

868
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<v Speaker 1>is what book would you recommend to say, a young

869
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<v Speaker 1>person or somebody who was a liberal and is getting

870
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<v Speaker 1>more and more confused about what the left is doing

871
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<v Speaker 1>and is thinking about becoming a conservative. What book one

872
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<v Speaker 1>book is all you get, Steve, What book would you

873
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<v Speaker 1>recommend to that person that you think would help them

874
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<v Speaker 1>understand the conservative movement, right wing politics, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're going to start with me, well, Darning,

877
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.079
<v Speaker 3>here's only one book, because I've got three from Roger Scrutin,

878
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 3>including his How to Be a Conservative, which is fun.

879
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 3>It's not American, yeah, but you know what he writes

880
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.239
<v Speaker 3>about American. He got better and better partly under my influence.

881
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 3>But one book, the one I like for sort of

882
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 3>a neutral audience. It depends on the reader and what

883
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.760
<v Speaker 3>they want. But the one that I like and use

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<v Speaker 3>with students with great effect is Thomas Soul's book A

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<v Speaker 3>Conflict Divisions the Ideological Origins of political struggles. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's not as complete as it ought to be, and

887
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<v Speaker 3>I think that's defects, but I think it has some

888
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<v Speaker 3>great for jew because it's you know, the basic theme

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<v Speaker 3>was the basic difference between left and right is the

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<v Speaker 3>left believes in the unconstrained vision based on the view

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<v Speaker 3>that human nature is entirely plastic and changeable, and that

892
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<v Speaker 3>power is good, whereas conservatives believe in a constrained vision,

893
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<v Speaker 3>constrained chiefly by human nature. And you know, Soul's writing

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<v Speaker 3>I think is very accessible. He reminds me of Crowdhammer

895
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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. I think he's the economics equivalent of

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<v Speaker 3>Charles Crowdhammer. It's an old book, but still one of

897
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<v Speaker 3>his favorites. By the way, what happened to books of Soul?

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<v Speaker 3>Written forty Maybe he said that this is his favorite book,

899
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<v Speaker 3>And so that's the one I'd recommend to someone first

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<v Speaker 3>who is curious about why conservatives differ from the left.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, John, I don't really have a modern book like

902
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Steve does, because I don't. I don't really read a

903
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<v Speaker 2>lot of books about modern politics because we're like living

904
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>through it. So I was going to say, read things

905
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>that were written before the printing press. So if I

906
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<v Speaker 2>was like reading a book, like a book about like

907
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>what makes you conservative, I would say, like, read like

908
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Plutarch's Lives or something, and you just see everything just

909
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 2>cycles over and over again, and there's nothing new to this, Like,

910
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, this conservative liberal divide you see over and

911
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<v Speaker 2>over again, that's one lesson I would take from something

912
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<v Speaker 2>like Plutarch. And then the other thing, you know is

913
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<v Speaker 2>that you see how important humans and agency and individuals are,

914
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<v Speaker 2>I think. But then I think the third thing is

915
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 2>you kind of see you see life as a tragic

916
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<v Speaker 2>and nasty, British and short and so when you read

917
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:33.960
<v Speaker 2>about agent history, you come away you see, yeah, there

918
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 2>have been all these crazy people in the past who

919
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<v Speaker 2>had utopian dreams and they always fail because you guys

920
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<v Speaker 2>are like this, because human nature is somewhat immutable.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, that's a really good answer, John. It sort

922
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<v Speaker 1>of leads to mine and Steve and I discussed this

923
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit back and forth this past week. I

924
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<v Speaker 1>would choose that this would not be the only book,

925
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<v Speaker 1>but since I said the rules were one, I would

926
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<v Speaker 1>choose Witness by Whittaker Chambers. I think it was Reagan

927
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Steve who said that that was, what did he say,

928
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<v Speaker 1>the most important book he'd ever read, something along those lines.

929
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<v Speaker 1>The reason I say that is actually, uh, piggybacks on

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<v Speaker 1>what both of you two said, and that is I

931
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<v Speaker 1>think in Witness, John, what you get is that same

932
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:29.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of tragedy, that same one side of the ideological

933
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 1>divide believes somehow that tragedy can be removed from human affairs,

934
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<v Speaker 1>and you see the tragic consequences of that. So the

935
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<v Speaker 1>book Witness is about UH, an American who becomes what

936
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<v Speaker 1>would you say, UH, is it a.

937
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<v Speaker 2>But he is.

938
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<v Speaker 1>He succumbs to the Communist UH part of the American

939
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<v Speaker 1>Communist Party's UH attempts to turn him, I guess you

940
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<v Speaker 1>could say, and it becomes in many ways a true believer.

941
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<v Speaker 1>But what happens is his human nature, and much of that,

942
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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, includes what happens when he actually finds

943
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<v Speaker 1>a wife in the Communist Party and then they have

944
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<v Speaker 1>a child. And the reaction of the Communist Party to

945
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<v Speaker 1>this is, I mean, they're very They're worse than dismissive.

946
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<v Speaker 1>They almost want to see the whole family destroyed. And

947
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.079
<v Speaker 1>there's no support for his marriage, no support for his child,

948
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<v Speaker 1>and he begins to see because of course, communist ideology

949
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<v Speaker 1>says that the family is the ultimate capitalist horror because

950
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<v Speaker 1>you know, you say my husband, my wife, my child,

951
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<v Speaker 1>and you think of it in terms of possessions. This

952
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<v Speaker 1>is the communist view. So they want to destroy the family,

953
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<v Speaker 1>and it is his humanity, not any sort of real

954
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 1>political change of mind so much as his human elements

955
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<v Speaker 1>that say, wow, this just doesn't make any sense anymore.

956
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's no difference. This is where

957
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 1>you and I might disagree, John, no difference between the

958
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>horror cores of communism and the modern progressives. What I

959
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.400
<v Speaker 1>sent Steve in this regard was an article about the

960
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Socialists of America had a convention where they know

961
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 1>they endorsed Mindami, but they also endorse the idea of

962
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 1>destroying the traditional family, because it is indeed the building

963
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>blocks of capitalism, as we would say. So I just

964
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:50.840
<v Speaker 1>think that all three of those come at the problem

965
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<v Speaker 1>from a different way, and I think when it came

966
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 1>down to it, you might want to recommend different things

967
00:53:56.039 --> 00:54:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to different people, depending at least to start, but what

968
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 1>you need to do is you need to you need

969
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to show in whatever book it is that, at least

970
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to some extent, the difference between conservatives and progressives in

971
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:15.760
<v Speaker 1>these days is the one believes in an unchanging, immutable

972
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>human nature and the other doesn't. And there are tragic

973
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 1>consequences because of the latter. What do you think, guys?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's not bad? All right, I'm gonna go

975
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to Babylon be's. I hope you guys have your part ready.

976
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready every week with mine. John still has the

977
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 1>same old tired drink.

978
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Your whiskeys, right, I have a second line to add.

979
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, so let me do mine really quick. Then JB.

980
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Pritzker joins police force in hopes of getting sandwich thrown

981
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<v Speaker 1>at him.

982
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we didn't talk about that r J crew

983
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.320
<v Speaker 2>guy through. My only comment on that is that, of

984
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 2>course that didn't work because if you're a subway now

985
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 2>on the Philadelphian cheese steak, that would have been an

986
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<v Speaker 2>actual weapon.

987
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 3>What's the charge assault with a deli weapon?

988
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

989
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Actually the funny thing is.

990
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Anthony over the story.

991
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there's been some good ones. There's a there's

992
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.079
<v Speaker 1>a giff maybe going on on that I've seen on

993
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.760
<v Speaker 1>X a couple of times. Now. You guys have probably

994
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.800
<v Speaker 1>never seen those, uh the shooting shows, the gun shows

995
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:31.639
<v Speaker 1>on television, but they always end up shooting at like

996
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a rubber person or an actual pig, or they slice

997
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.199
<v Speaker 1>up an actual pig to see if a knife is sharp.

998
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, anyway, so it's this one and they they

999
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:46.360
<v Speaker 1>they it was a subway sandwich at one of those things,

1000
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 1>gelatin covered skeleton and the wholdy is just destroyed, and

1001
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 1>it talks about how this is a lethal subway sandwich. Anyway,

1002
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.119
<v Speaker 1>but I'll remember that, John, No subway sandwich is Philly

1003
00:55:58.239 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 1>cheese steak sandwich.

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00:55:59.719 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Newsome vows to double California's violent crime if Trump doesn't

1006
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>stop cleaning up DC. It takes a minute, right, Yeah,

1007
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 1>crime is down in DC, shouts journalists currently being pummeled

1008
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.119
<v Speaker 1>by a group of thugs. We didn't talk about this one,

1009
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:21.960
<v Speaker 1>even though the three of us went back and forth

1010
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.199
<v Speaker 1>on it a little bit last week. The judges in

1011
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania and New Jersey, I believe, who are again suing

1012
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 1>the little sisters of the poor. You know, of all

1013
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 1>of the people to pick on these these nuns who

1014
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>dedicate their life to caring for the elderly.

1015
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Poor and sick.

1016
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, not even the big sisters of the poor, but

1017
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.079
<v Speaker 3>the big sisters.

1018
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so my league, excuse me, Uh sorry, I can't

1019
00:56:50.960 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 1>read anymore. Today federal court requires nuns to start worshiping Moloch, right, okay.

1020
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Adam Schiff worried legal troubles will make it hard for

1021
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.840
<v Speaker 1>him to afford his upcoming head reduction surgery.

1022
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

1023
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Back to DC puzzle, DC police chief asks reporters, what

1024
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 1>is this black and white car? That thing that goes you?

1025
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Trump vows to drastically reduce the number of criminals in

1026
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Washington by sending Congress home. Yeah, I'll end there, John.

1027
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear it.

1028
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh, always drink your whiskey meat. And Steve wanted me

1029
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to say always add to your book buying budget, but

1030
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 2>I would just say the second line should just be

1031
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:46.079
<v Speaker 2>buy more books.

1032
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, always, Steve, we don't read.

1033
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I get so many of them piled up waiting.

1034
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 2>For me to read them. And Steve, you're lying your

1035
00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 2>your strange selection, your deep relationship with a What's the

1036
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>latest line in your love affair with Grock?

1037
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's I use chat GBT for now, but I'll try.

1038
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Here's the latest stanza through AI on the three Whiskey

1039
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<v Speaker 3>Happy Hour. It's short. They spar with glee, they sip

1040
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 3>with flair. They skewer the news with a libertine air

1041
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 3>from woksh homes to college despair, to clauses that vanish

1042
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.360
<v Speaker 3>in textual glare there It is I like it.

1043
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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty good. I know they're getting very deep.

1044
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 1>I know. Anyway, well, gentlemen, have a wonderful week. Listeners,

1045
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.679
<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful week. We'll see you next time.

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00:58:39.880 --> 00:59:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Right bye bye, everybody. Ricochet join the conversation.