Speaker 1: Tape Deck Media. Hi folks, Aaron here with yet another
Speaker 1: quick note before we get into it, So just a
Speaker 1: heads up that we actually ended up recording this episode
Speaker 1: in what seemed like pretty much forty seven different parts,
Speaker 1: mostly because I kept finding more information about the film. Now,
Speaker 1: we normally wouldn't mention when we do that, but it's
Speaker 1: a bit more noticeable this time around, especially about a
Speaker 1: throw of the way through the episode, when all of
Speaker 1: a sudden Erica joins us after Joe just kind of
Speaker 1: seemingly vanishes under mysterious circumstances, possibly involving the Springfield Mystery spot.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I also random will begin pronouncing the
Speaker 1: director's name correctly around that same time too, but that's
Speaker 1: probably not as noteworthy as the whole person swap thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So anyway, that's all I got, So let's
Speaker 1: get going and hope you enjoy the episode. See the.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of See You at the Body, Richta.
Speaker 2: I am one of your host Joseph beck Castro. Joining
Speaker 2: me as always is Aaron Frescus Aldy and Christopher Chapman.
Speaker 3: How do doody?
Speaker 2: Yes, Hello do you two? Today we're gonna be covering
Speaker 2: Arnold's nineteen seventy six weightlifting drama vehicle Stay Hungry. Before
Speaker 2: we get into the movie summary and everything, we can
Speaker 2: do what we usually do and go over some production
Speaker 2: and trivia and other tidbits that Aaron has for us.
Speaker 2: So without further ado, take it away.
Speaker 3: Eric gotta love Aeron's tidbits.
Speaker 2: Big old titties. That's short for tidbits.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, they're they're very uh anyway, Okay, where Okay,
Speaker 1: So I want to start already, huh already, I may
Speaker 1: just bigger.
Speaker 2: Rub it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Stupid, so stupid.
Speaker 2: Please keep.
Speaker 1: I was talking about the screen on screen.
Speaker 2: I just want to give her audi it's a peak
Speaker 2: behind the kimono.
Speaker 1: But that's that's weird. That's how I do the episodes anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to kick things off with a
Speaker 1: quick rundown of basic facts about the film, mostly because
Speaker 1: I think it's probably one of the rare Schwarzenegger movies
Speaker 1: that not a lot of people have heard of, much
Speaker 1: less seen. Like you you guys said you didn't watch it, right.
Speaker 3: No I haven't. I haven't watched it yet. And this
Speaker 3: is like maybe one of two movies on the list
Speaker 3: that I just had never heard of. It was like
Speaker 3: this in the Villain that I just had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too in some later stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, stop, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Hey, what did I just say?
Speaker 3: I can't tell if you're talking to the dog or
Speaker 3: the mic to the microphone.
Speaker 2: Are your wiener?
Speaker 1: Oh man? Okay? Sorry? So yeah, you guys didn't watch it?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: Right? Correct? All right, it's cool. So anyway, Stay Hungry,
Speaker 1: which I described to you guys in the pre watch
Speaker 1: intro as a nineteen seventy eight comedy drama, is actually
Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy six film directed by Bob Raffleson.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 1: Yes, So this is now the second episode in a
Speaker 1: row that have had to make corrections at the top
Speaker 1: of the episode, which is just awesome, like like annoying
Speaker 1: as hell, because it's usually some dumb little air that
Speaker 1: I always end up feeling like a dufous forward like
Speaker 1: not catching later, Like seriously, I have no idea how
Speaker 1: I might mix those years up, but I even made
Speaker 1: sure to double check before I recorded it that I
Speaker 1: had the correct year, but then still somehow wrote down
Speaker 1: the wrong year, like because when I heard it, I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck? Anyway, just a dumb, careless mistake.
Speaker 1: But it's also super frustrating because at the same time,
Speaker 1: our next episode is a movie summary, which sucks because
Speaker 1: of course we're doing an episode that I don't write,
Speaker 1: just as I'm on the verge of scoring my first
Speaker 1: hat trick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm sure you'll fuck something up next episode.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. Yeah, you're you're.
Speaker 2: You're solid with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're very reliable.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I just screwed the recording, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess technically it's it's technically happened for two movies
Speaker 1: in a row, so that that's tricks takes still alive,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And I suppose there's also the possibility
Speaker 1: that I screw up something during this episode, like you said,
Speaker 1: although it's not likely because I've been like I've been
Speaker 1: staying on it so far because of how stupid I was, Like,
Speaker 1: I just like once I saw that, like right away,
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, because
Speaker 1: I grabbed the information that I had on the Kindergarten
Speaker 1: Cop episode to over to this FI like the new document.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not set in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Well, just call it journalistic integrity. Realize you have a mistake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you are putting it out there and you want
Speaker 4: to correct it, so exactly all right, because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it happens too art to myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone makes mistakes. That's why pencils have erasers on him.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can stick them up your butt?
Speaker 3: Why why?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Why? Why? Okay, it should have been so it makes
Speaker 1: it easier to stick up you don't want the other
Speaker 1: end anyway, Okay.
Speaker 3: The shape of that, Yeah, I was about to say,
Speaker 3: technically the shape means the other side is more conducive
Speaker 3: to sticking up there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you can poke your collin and then
Speaker 2: then he got a hole.
Speaker 1: This is what's going one of the side dregs. Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's get back to the quick facts. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just gonna burn thro them real
Speaker 1: quick to like get him out of the way. Cool, Okay, So,
Speaker 1: like I was saying, Stay Hungry is a nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: seventh film directed by Bob Raffleman and stars Jeff Britches,
Speaker 1: Arnold Braunschwager, and uh Oh Sally from the Blank one
Speaker 1: A two song I Miss You Wait No that's that's
Speaker 1: a son of a bitch. I got the year on again,
Speaker 1: and this is what takes along with this episode. You
Speaker 1: know how long that joke took to ride Jesus juke? Anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: one more time. Sorry, So Stay Hungry nineteen seventy six
Speaker 1: comedy drama, directed by Bob Raffleson. And I'd say it's
Speaker 1: kind of a like a bit of a stretch calling
Speaker 1: it a comedy. You guys haven't watched yet, but like,
Speaker 1: but like that's me saying that. Who also just wrote
Speaker 1: like that horrible ass blank one a two joke.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't even get the joke.
Speaker 1: It's one of the lines, yeah, which it's a what
Speaker 1: is it? It's a night Member before Christmas?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. One of the lines refers to Jack and
Speaker 3: Sally from Nightmare Beforeast in that song.
Speaker 4: Yeah like Jack and Sally if you yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 4: can always find me.
Speaker 2: Well I have Halloween on Christmas exactly. Well wish this
Speaker 2: night well never could.
Speaker 1: It could have been worse because I originally called her
Speaker 1: Sally Fields Raphael, but the back because I asked, I
Speaker 1: deleted asked Eric Erica was like, do you know Sally
Speaker 1: Jesse Raphael She's like no, I'm like, okay, well.
Speaker 2: She I mean, granted, the people listening to this podcast, probably.
Speaker 1: The kids that don't listen to this podcast, we never
Speaker 1: get that reference.
Speaker 2: All the time. I did work with A Sally, A
Speaker 2: Jesse and a Raphael. It's pretty great.
Speaker 3: That's fun.
Speaker 1: Would you only hang out with them when it's the
Speaker 1: three of them? They're always trying to get that going
Speaker 1: and then not show up. So they're all sitting.
Speaker 4: There like, oh, it's only Sally and Jesse or.
Speaker 1: No show up later, whether through there you're like Sally,
Speaker 1: Josey Rufiel.
Speaker 2: They're like, who the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Okay? So uh. Stay Hungry was written by Charles Gaines,
Speaker 1: which he'd adapted from his nineteen seventy two novel of
Speaker 1: the same name.
Speaker 2: Okay hold on, Sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 4: His name is Charles Gaines games Yes, and he wrote
Speaker 4: a book of weightlifting Yes, Okay YEA.
Speaker 1: Director Bob Raffleson is also credited as a writer on
Speaker 1: the film. Raffleson also produced was a producer on the
Speaker 1: movie along with his partner Harold Schneider, and then United
Speaker 1: Artists took care of the distribution. So Stay Hungry stars
Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges, Sally Field, Rgi Armstrong, who I recognized because
Speaker 1: I watched it once. I recognized, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't look up he's anyway, And then Robert England did.
Speaker 1: He let's say, says English English, okay, Joe, and he
Speaker 1: that is right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Sorry. It's always it's always kind of hit
Speaker 1: and miss with you, like sometimes you're like, oh hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean and he's famous enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just not only was it written by Charles Gaines,
Speaker 4: it's also starts Arnie Armstrong Strong Archie Armstrong and was
Speaker 4: it said in England? But perchance it's like a shitty
Speaker 4: sitcom situation?
Speaker 1: No, no, is there are there any like sorry, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about your your name thing, like actors were like, well,
Speaker 1: that's obviously what's it I'm trying to think of, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Denzel Washington if he like plays like a white
Speaker 2: House down or whatever like Washington d C. It's right there.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about like you're like, uh, like
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like how you the names of the
Speaker 1: actors and stuff. Do you have any favorite character actors?
Speaker 1: Is what I think I'm asking where you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I really like I can't think of my character actor
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, gry old, but like famous. It's like like I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think that, Like I don't know, like a
Speaker 3: Bruce Greenwood or some shit like that.
Speaker 1: See, I don't even know that. I'm sure I recognized
Speaker 1: him when I see him.
Speaker 3: He plays the in a lot of stuff, the President.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I know, I think I know you're talking
Speaker 1: about character actors. I'm trying to think of like, oh,
Speaker 1: like a Richard Kind is that name?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's a good one. He's in a buttla
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 4: But how to use it in Joe Namath because if
Speaker 4: he Dick Kind, which I probably have done now that
Speaker 4: I say it out loud, I don't have to go
Speaker 4: through my notes.
Speaker 1: But uh well, I guess Stephen Root would probably be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like I was curious if
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, everything that guys and like Richard Kind,
Speaker 1: I really like because I'm sorry, I was watching Omer's
Speaker 1: in the building. Richard Kind is uh again, he's mad
Speaker 1: about I don't know what you sure he's the voice
Speaker 1: of He's the voice of the inside.
Speaker 3: Out he's the voice of the voice of imagining character.
Speaker 1: The Marriage and Your Friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, he was on Spin City, right, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cast Spin City, Spin Character Cast. Oh yeah, I know, and.
Speaker 3: Spin City starring Michael J. Pod. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm looking through the list of just a
Speaker 1: like a the Google's like thing of character actors like J. K.
Speaker 3: Simmons is, uh, Gary Cole, yeah, yeah, the boss from
Speaker 3: Office Space, Lombard Lombard. Yeah, I think it's Lombard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, sorry, I thought that was going somewhere but
Speaker 1: lumber Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Lombard is the street here, the Windys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the famous one, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a famous street, famous a second avenue.
Speaker 1: Baby kidding gets about that. Oh, I know what I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you. Sorry, I was just wondering what
Speaker 1: level of fame to where you're like, okay, but it's
Speaker 1: I guess it's different for anyway.
Speaker 4: I mean, like like Stephen Route, like in Gary Cole,
Speaker 4: like I know by name and everything, but you guys
Speaker 4: are always like, oh fucking h Steve Stevenson and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's a big character actor in the eighties and early nineties,
Speaker 4: and like, well.
Speaker 1: He remember was the seventies one.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck is that? Westy's not even in a
Speaker 2: country anymore.
Speaker 1: Basically, I'm wondering, is is there like a like maybe
Speaker 1: there's like a type of movie that see I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to approach that because they're they're in
Speaker 1: Raindom fucking ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally random. That's that's what being a character actor is.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, okay, anyway, so, uh, only because I
Speaker 1: was mentioning, like, is it just because because I just
Speaker 1: read Robert in England's name again and I was like,
Speaker 1: is it just because he's like probably? Besides, although he
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't know who what I think we mentioned,
Speaker 1: uh the one that does Chucky's voice?
Speaker 3: Oh Brad uh read.
Speaker 1: Dorif you said you said you didn't know who that was? Right?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Is he really?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Did he met the Waldorf Salad with his friend Wally?
Speaker 1: Yes? That was actually yeah, that's a busy game.
Speaker 3: Yeah you went.
Speaker 1: You don't know, but like for like horror villains, but
Speaker 1: I guess probably Robert England is probably the most famous
Speaker 1: one of like the horror things.
Speaker 3: Like the Slashers. He's probably the only actor I would
Speaker 3: recognize from any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I know I know the names of
Speaker 1: some of the people.
Speaker 3: Behind and some of the other people, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's the only one who ever got famous as Robert
Speaker 3: England I think.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I was trying to think of the guy from
Speaker 1: so I don't know his name or like Tony Todd
Speaker 1: is probably the only which is anyway, okay, sorry, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna read the short little plot summary that
Speaker 1: was listened on a Wikipedia because I've watched the movie
Speaker 1: but still couldn't really tell you what it's about. I mean,
Speaker 1: once I read this, I was like, okay, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That is what anyways if that's okay, that's just a
Speaker 1: very basic okay, like it's like the little tiny plot.
Speaker 1: So the story centers on a young scion from Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 3: He already lost me. What the fuck does sion me?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's kind of hard. No, it's a car.
Speaker 1: It's a car, so yes, it's a young sign, but
Speaker 1: it's a new car.
Speaker 2: It's in nineteen seventy six y.
Speaker 1: Which I almost combined the description from Ornold Schwarzenegger and
Speaker 1: then this, because I was like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: I know what a young Sign is after reading like Schwartzenegger's,
Speaker 1: but basically Schwarzenegger starts it off by saying, he said,
Speaker 1: the story focuses on the young sign, who's just Jeff Bridges,
Speaker 1: but he's a he inherited a bunch of money, oh
Speaker 1: okay from his parents or whatever, got it. So that's
Speaker 1: what a scion is. I don't know sure I should
Speaker 1: put a going to Wikipedia and rnnex to sign put
Speaker 1: reference needed anyway, So, young rich guy who gets involved
Speaker 1: in a shady real estate deal. In order to close
Speaker 1: the deal, he needs to buy a gym, sorry it
Speaker 1: says a gym building, but a gym to complete a
Speaker 1: multi parcel lot. He becomes romantically interested in the gym's
Speaker 1: receptionist and is drawn to the care for lifestyle of
Speaker 1: the Austrian bodybuilder Joe Santo, who is training for a
Speaker 1: Mister Universe competition and is oddly enough played by Sally Field,
Speaker 1: which was like a casting switcheroo there. That last part
Speaker 1: was me.
Speaker 3: But obviously, man in the seventies, they would make a
Speaker 3: movie about fucking anything, wouldn't they.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was like. This reminded me and
Speaker 1: there's something else later but like this reminded me of
Speaker 1: what we were talking about, and like because I listened
Speaker 1: to the The Kindergarten Cop one when Dave was talking
Speaker 1: about every which way about loose. Yeah, yeah, and just
Speaker 1: like the fucking hell yeah he hangs out with the
Speaker 1: monkey and he goes down related.
Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, like the seventies, I think
Speaker 4: what was it, Kramer Versus Kramer was like the number
Speaker 4: one movie of that year or something, and it's like about.
Speaker 1: A next more serious movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it's about like a family going through divorce and everything.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it was fucking weird. Like the seventies
Speaker 4: were a weird time for movies anyways, because that was
Speaker 4: like the number one movie of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah really, yeah, yeah, it was huge.
Speaker 1: Was that when Tutsie came out?
Speaker 3: Oh that was the eighties?
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. You know they're not gonna let
Speaker 1: Rob Williams or sorry, Robes not can get away. Doesn't
Speaker 1: often get away dressing like a dame because they'd call
Speaker 1: it a dame. It's dressing like a dame. In the seventies,
Speaker 1: I think they'd call it a skirt. Yeah, those skirt
Speaker 1: skirts probaly little closer. Okay, but yeah, now that we
Speaker 1: have the quick facts out of the way, let's start
Speaker 1: off by finding out how Schwarzenegger became involved in the film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in order to do that, we need to go
Speaker 1: back to the early seventies when Arnold met two fellas
Speaker 1: who would have a pretty big impact on his career,
Speaker 1: and they were George Butler and Stay Hungry writer Charles Gaines.
Speaker 1: And by the way, like ninety five percent of the
Speaker 1: info I found for this episode comes from three different books,
Speaker 1: which are obviously Arnold's twenty twelve biography Total Recall, Auto Biography,
Speaker 1: Total Recall, Sorry, Sally Fields eighteen autobiography titled in Pieces,
Speaker 1: and then the last one was a nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 1: book by Peter biss Biskind titled Easy Writer, Raging Bulls. Uh?
Speaker 1: Double colon? Is that what those are called?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: The two the two cold, the two the two colon things?
Speaker 1: Is that a semi colon? Obviously?
Speaker 3: Is it just a what is just a colon? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The two dots? Okay, see I'm thinking yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: two dots is just a colon anyway, Easy Writer, Raging
Speaker 1: Bulls colon? How how how the sex drugs and rock
Speaker 1: and roll generations saved Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Aaron's having a lot of trouble because there's a pencil
Speaker 3: stuck in his colon.
Speaker 2: Yes, put the erasers saying first it's.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was very yes exactly. It helps me
Speaker 1: stay awake because of the deprivation. You can see they're like,
Speaker 1: deal with the sleeper deprivation or you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Lily erased my poop.
Speaker 3: What wanting to find out?
Speaker 1: Man? And that book is fucking insane. I didn't even
Speaker 1: finish it yet, and I don't think I am. But
Speaker 1: I went in there to get stuff. Anyway. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that later, but okay, so anyway, okay, So, according
Speaker 1: to Arnold in his book, he met George Butler and
Speaker 1: Charles Gaines in the fall of nineteen seventy two when
Speaker 1: Butler and Gaines were covering the Mister Universe contest for
Speaker 1: Life magazine. Butler was a photographer and Gaines was a writer.
Speaker 1: By the way, these two gentlemen were also eventually responsible
Speaker 1: for Pumping Iron, which, for anyone not familiar with it,
Speaker 1: is basically a behind the scenes look at the world
Speaker 1: of competitive body building. Butler and Gaines co authored the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four best selling book, and then they co
Speaker 1: produced the nineteen seventy seven quote unquote documentary but more
Speaker 1: of like a docudrama, which George Butler also co directed.
Speaker 1: By the way, just for people listening, we did record
Speaker 1: an episode like three years ago covering the that nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy Pumping Iron the nineteen seventy seven document documentary, but
Speaker 1: we just haven't released the majority of it, and I
Speaker 1: make up a reason why, but honestly, it's mostly because
Speaker 1: I completely forgot about it until I started writing this.
Speaker 1: So I'm only mentioning the fact that we already covered
Speaker 1: it as a reason for why we're going to kind
Speaker 1: of slide past it today, and because we'll eventually get
Speaker 1: through it whenever we finally like release that episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was before we had Chris on the show,
Speaker 4: so we got to like, yeah, crazy editing, that's what
Speaker 4: I'm in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he needs like make comments every now and
Speaker 1: then he goes and listen, listens to it and then
Speaker 1: like makes comments and you know, laughing, Yeah, exactly. He's
Speaker 1: the Joe for that episode. So anyhow, so George Butler,
Speaker 1: Charles Gaines, who was going to use a nickname for
Speaker 1: like I did with the Carralco Boys. But then the
Speaker 1: only thing I could think of was like a com
Speaker 1: like combining their names together. And I didn't think called
Speaker 1: him but Chuck for the rest of the episode super appropriate.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna call Gaines. Yeah, yeah, exactly, because
Speaker 1: I was like, they don't have a production company anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The first thing that button mine was
Speaker 1: a butt Chuck Butler, Butler and Charles, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I gotta be We're gonna be respectful anyway.
Speaker 1: So Butler and Gaines met Arnold in the fall of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, with Arnold mentioning his in his book
Speaker 1: that Chuck Gaines was quite not was Butler and Gaines
Speaker 1: met Arnold in the fall of nineteen seventy two, with
Speaker 1: Arnold mentioning in his book that Charles Gaines, because that's
Speaker 1: what's throwing me off, just calling him Chuck, was very
Speaker 1: knowledgeable when it came to bodybuilding and had recently had
Speaker 1: recently had a novel published titled Stay Hungary, which Schwarzenegger
Speaker 1: said was the bestseller. And I probably should have looked
Speaker 1: up the book sales number, but we's just going to
Speaker 1: take his word for it, like, yeah.
Speaker 3: A bestseller among all my bodybuilding friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So anyway, Yeah, so Arnold would eventually introduce
Speaker 1: Butler and Gains to Joe Wheer, who, along with his
Speaker 1: brother Ben, were basically the fathers of bodybuilding. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: co founded the International Federation of Bodybuilders, which, according to Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: is the governing body for the sport of Sorry, yes,
Speaker 1: that's what it says, the governing body for the sport
Speaker 1: of bodybuilding that oversees most of the major events and competitions.
Speaker 1: And that just gotta be like like one fucking finance
Speaker 1: governing body like that. It's got to be, man, It's
Speaker 1: like the Arnold Schwarzenegger of governing bodies right there.
Speaker 3: I think Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Arnold Schwarzenegger of governing Okay, that's.
Speaker 1: The Franco Colombo of governing bodies right there.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: Anyway, In addition to that, Joe Eater also created Sorry
Speaker 1: Joe Eater was also the creator of the Mister and
Speaker 1: Missus Olympia contests, as well as publishing a bunch of
Speaker 1: the major fitness magazines, including Muscling, Fitness, Men's Fitness, and Shape,
Speaker 1: which is like a number one women's fitness magazine. That
Speaker 1: was the only one that I sort of heard of.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I know, I feel I know
Speaker 1: I've heard of that.
Speaker 3: I mean Men's Fitness. I definitely no, I've heard feel.
Speaker 1: Like Muscle and Fitness and Men's Fitness. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I know, I've heard of Shape. Once I clicked and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, Shape. There was a couple
Speaker 1: more than they mentioned, but they're they're not around anymore,
Speaker 1: so it's okay. And then most importantly, well at least
Speaker 1: I guess for us, is that Weeder and his brother
Speaker 1: are the ones responsible for bringing Arnold first to America,
Speaker 1: specifically for a Mister Universe competition, which he did not
Speaker 1: end up winning. So he was actually planning on like
Speaker 1: originally planning on going just going back home to Europe
Speaker 1: after the competition was over, but instead Arnold says that
Speaker 1: Weeder quote this is from the book, he quote, offered
Speaker 1: to pay my way to California and get me an apartment,
Speaker 1: a car, and living expenses so that I could concentrate
Speaker 1: on training for an entire year. By the time the
Speaker 1: same competitions came around again in the next fall, I'd
Speaker 1: have another shot. Meanwhile, his magazines would report on my
Speaker 1: training and would supply translator so I could write about
Speaker 1: my programs and express my ideas unquote. Which first off,
Speaker 1: it definitely sounds like Joey to recognized that Schwarzenegger's potential
Speaker 1: because damn.
Speaker 3: He hooked him up, Like, yeah, that is a lot, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Basically paying for him for a year. And I have
Speaker 1: a feeling that Arnold would have like he I think
Speaker 1: he still would have made it to America eventually, because
Speaker 1: that was, like, from what he says in the book,
Speaker 1: that was one of his major goals at the time,
Speaker 1: and he's he's just driven hiss hell when he's like
Speaker 1: sets out to do something. Yeah, but it would have
Speaker 1: made it way more challenging of an adjustment without like
Speaker 1: that happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of money to shell out for
Speaker 3: an entire year.
Speaker 1: Exactly because I'm not sure how like, like moving to
Speaker 1: a new country is already tough enough, but there was
Speaker 1: also the language barrier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in his case, and I know that we're pretty
Speaker 1: you know, we're usually a pretty like patient, tolerant bunch
Speaker 1: over here in the US, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: non English speaking immigrants, but still like, yeah, that language
Speaker 1: barrier would have been do you get like try to
Speaker 1: find a job because not having to worry about that,
Speaker 1: along with removing the stress of like immediately neing to
Speaker 1: needing to find a job where that's not an issue
Speaker 1: the language, and then basically just being able to train
Speaker 1: all day, which he was able to do with like
Speaker 1: Weeder helped him do, is just like a huge fucking
Speaker 1: advantage when you get to America. Not only for like
Speaker 1: going there as like a non English speaking immigrant, but
Speaker 1: even if he would have done it on his own
Speaker 1: and came there, he still wouldn't have been able to
Speaker 1: work out as much as he was able to with
Speaker 1: this situation because he would have to work. And I
Speaker 1: guess he was basically like, this is like basically turns
Speaker 1: into his.
Speaker 3: Job then yeah, right sort of Yeah essentially yeah, if
Speaker 3: he's getting yeah, if he's getting paid to do it, yeah,
Speaker 3: or it's.
Speaker 1: Like his he's like in a bodybuilding college. Basically that's
Speaker 1: basically what that is like for everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Sorry, so that's a little sidetrack just to
Speaker 1: explaining who Joe Eater was. I realized we hadn't talked
Speaker 1: about him yet. But getting back to where we were, so,
Speaker 1: Arnold introduces George Butler and Charles Gaines to Joe Eater,
Speaker 1: and this ends up being an important introduction and is
Speaker 1: actually when I realized that I'll probably end up bugging
Speaker 1: you guys eventually about redoing the production part of the
Speaker 1: Pumping Iron episode because I didn't look at my notes,
Speaker 1: but I'm almost positive that I didn't mention that along
Speaker 1: with I'm sure much more stuff. Yeah, yeah, so episodes
Speaker 1: were different then, yes, so we'll most likely discuss it
Speaker 1: in more detail maybe later probably, But basically, at the time,
Speaker 1: the general public wasn't very familiar with both the sport
Speaker 1: as well as bodybuilding just in general, which I think
Speaker 1: we did mention that. But yeah, so that introduction with
Speaker 1: Weader meeting with Charles Gaines and George Butler, that introduction
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two ended up being the beginning of bodybuilding
Speaker 1: becoming more mainstream, with which Arnold definitely benefited from in
Speaker 1: at least a few ways, the first obvious one being
Speaker 1: the exposure from both versions of Pumping Iron, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into on maybe a different episode eventually. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but for this episode, we're going to focus on how
Speaker 1: he benefited from his relationship with Charles Gaines, who, along
Speaker 1: with George Butler, Arnold became friendly with because Gaines and
Speaker 1: Butler doing research for the Pumping Iron book, which I
Speaker 1: believe they kind of did by like they were at
Speaker 1: golds Gym. They're just gathering material by Like basically he
Speaker 1: kind of makes a scene in the book like they
Speaker 1: were around all the time because they were researching for
Speaker 1: their books. I'm sure they were asking questions, just becoming
Speaker 1: friendly with the bodybuilders seeing there, like watching their brookout
Speaker 1: routine and everything like that. But that might not be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so he.
Speaker 1: Got to know him through that, and he's a very
Speaker 1: personal fellow. So I don't know, it seems like he's
Speaker 1: one of those people that makes friends very easily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these kind of people that hat Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I love them, but a little too much to where
Speaker 1: they're like, you're coming all strong there, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, WHOA, You're supposed to be nice?
Speaker 1: What happened to us? I'm sorry, Like this is those
Speaker 1: people that I like anyway anyway, Okay, So Arnold mentions
Speaker 1: that Charles Gaines is actually the one who introduced him
Speaker 1: director Bob Raffleson. Gaines had sold the rights to Stay
Speaker 1: Hungry to Bob Raffleson, and then Gaines and Butler started
Speaker 1: pushing for Raffleson to cast Schwarzenegger for the role of
Speaker 1: bodybuilder Joe Santo in the film. So at this time,
Speaker 1: Bob Rafflelson was already a well known director and producer,
Speaker 1: having started a production company with his fellow producer Bert
Speaker 1: Schneider in nineteen sixty five that they called they named
Speaker 1: Raybert Productions, which was later renamed BBS Productions. Have you
Speaker 1: guys ever heard of Bob Rafflelson by the way, No, okay,
Speaker 1: never nop okay.
Speaker 3: And I know he made other movies, like just from
Speaker 3: doing like just randomly seeing yeah stuff while I was
Speaker 3: looking stuff up. But I don't think I've seen a
Speaker 3: single one.
Speaker 1: Of his movies. Okay, just curious interesting fact slash, I guess.
Speaker 1: Quick side note. But one of the first things they
Speaker 1: did after forming the company was develop a television show
Speaker 1: about a pop rock band that Bob Raffleson had already
Speaker 1: tried selling to two different studios in nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 1: but turned down.
Speaker 3: Was it the Monkeys or are you about to tell us?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, but a couple of movies had come
Speaker 1: out since then, starring some band from England called the
Speaker 1: U b Atlas Stupid. Anyway, Raffleson and Schneider had no
Speaker 1: problem selling the show after that happened, and Chris Guess
Speaker 1: would show it was the Monkeys obviously got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh sorry, So they were trying to sell
Speaker 3: that show before the Beatles got popular.
Speaker 1: Yes, raf Bob Raffleson, the director of Eventually a director
Speaker 1: of Stay Hungary pitched that idea or I wanted to
Speaker 1: develop the idea with two different production companies in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two. And I think the Beatles are around then,
Speaker 1: right too, but they weren't like the Beatles, like like
Speaker 1: like Beatlemania and all that hadn't happened yet, which I
Speaker 1: did like a super quick look at, just to double
Speaker 1: check the years.
Speaker 3: Oh is Raffleson American? Do you know? Yes? Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, I think he's from uh, New England and yeah,
Speaker 1: which is easier to say in the New York. I
Speaker 1: can't remember it's Connecticut, New York. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so the Director of State Hungary also created
Speaker 1: the at first fictional band and then eventual real band,
Speaker 1: the Monkeys, And I've only heard a little bit of
Speaker 1: their music, but I actually liked it so much that
Speaker 1: I started referring to the Beatles as the British Monkeys
Speaker 1: because I'm assuming that it's usually the other way around,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know, probably like have you have
Speaker 1: you guys heard any of their music, the Monkeys, Like.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I've heard a song or two Sleepy Jean,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right, Yeah, I know that song. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Or cheer of Sleepy Jeane? What can it mean to
Speaker 2: uh daydream believe in?
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, is it that daydream Believer song?
Speaker 3: Is? Yeah, it's the dam Believer song.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I know that song. Then there's one more
Speaker 1: that I I saw that I don't remember right now
Speaker 1: with that was like a big hit. But I know
Speaker 1: one of the only songs I know is they come
Speaker 1: out with later when they started like trying to be
Speaker 1: like experimental and obviously when they started taking drugs or
Speaker 1: something like that, and it's good, it's just doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like the Monkeys, which I don't know what the monkeys
Speaker 1: sound like. So, but anyway, so you guys have just
Speaker 1: heard like the like the hits.
Speaker 3: Then essentially yeah, like the theme songs of the TV
Speaker 3: show and not much else.
Speaker 1: Okay. I was just curious if they're sketchy song. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I should have probably looked up who wrote it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but they Yeah. So he created The Monkeys,
Speaker 1: and the success of both The Monkey's TV Show and
Speaker 1: the Records meant that Raffleson and Schneider gained not just fame,
Speaker 1: but enough money to start producing their own films. The
Speaker 1: first of which, titled Head, also starred the Monkeys and
Speaker 1: was Bob Raffleson's directorial debut in film. He'd already directed
Speaker 1: an episode or two of The Monkeys, some episodes of
Speaker 1: The Monkeys. I didn't look at the many yeah.
Speaker 3: Did Was it a Monkey's movie?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Was it starring the monkeys as the monkeys or just
Speaker 3: starring those four dudes as other people?
Speaker 1: I see? I was like, they're not gonna ask you
Speaker 1: questions about this. I don't need to look it up. No,
Speaker 1: from what I read, because I was reading an interview
Speaker 1: about it, like with him, it's I know this one
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like trippy. Okay, let's see the
Speaker 1: monkeys frolic their way through a series of musical set
Speaker 1: pieces and vignettes containing surreal humor and anti establishment social commentary.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 2: So it sounds just like a bite off of Hard
Speaker 2: Day's Night.
Speaker 1: You see, I've never seen those movies either. How are
Speaker 1: those movies any good?
Speaker 2: Hard Day's Night is it's one's enjoyable health.
Speaker 1: What are they about?
Speaker 3: Uh fucking being a drugged out hippie.
Speaker 2: No, this is before they were drugged out hippies.
Speaker 4: That one is Yellow Submarine, And okay, if you're a
Speaker 4: drugged out hippie, movie's pretty awesome, then it sucks.
Speaker 1: Is it just a bunch of visuals that one started?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's like an animated movie. But Hard Day's Night,
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're like on a train and then
Speaker 2: they're playing music and Paul's Grandpa's there, and then people
Speaker 2: are chasing them and they're then they're gonna go play
Speaker 2: a show. I don't think there's really a plot.
Speaker 3: They think it sounds like a dreams just a dream
Speaker 3: Joe had.
Speaker 1: Wait, is it is real?
Speaker 3: Grandpa?
Speaker 1: That was my question at all, that it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't even mean George Harrison just a guy Joe, a
Speaker 3: guy named Georgie knows.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's no it's just because the monkeys were Sorry,
Speaker 1: the Beatles were popular, and they're like.
Speaker 2: Yeah them put them in a movie. No, but that
Speaker 2: one's good. I actually enjoy that movie in what way?
Speaker 2: It's fun and funny okay, and then it's got good music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the comedy holds up and British people
Speaker 4: usually aren't funny.
Speaker 2: So famously, wait, have we checked his stats? How are
Speaker 2: you looking in the UK?
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at it recently, but okay, well.
Speaker 3: Who gives a shit about those British monkeys?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sorry when you said it earlier it sounded like a slur,
Speaker 3: so I thought I'd use it.
Speaker 2: Well, we might gain some fans from Ireland for.
Speaker 1: Uh new anti British slur we just made up exactly.
Speaker 2: Hell has a plot.
Speaker 4: Ringo has like a ring that some evil and they
Speaker 4: go skiing and stuff. That one's that one's not not
Speaker 4: that good, that one's in color, though.
Speaker 3: As evidence by the fact that they just made the
Speaker 3: plot like the literally the first thing that came to
Speaker 3: their mind. Yeah, well, Ringo has a ring. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's got a special ring.
Speaker 1: Okay, so are they actually playing the music or is
Speaker 1: it or is it just like background? Like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the song starts playing.
Speaker 4: Both, So I think when they're doing Can't Buy Me Love,
Speaker 4: they're like running around in the field or some ship.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I should have known better, like
Speaker 4: they'd play well on the train and then help they
Speaker 4: play like different stuff. So I guess it just really depends.
Speaker 1: Were those the only three movies?
Speaker 4: No, there's Magical Mystery Tour, which I still have never seen,
Speaker 4: and then let It Be, But that's more of a documentary.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not funn isn't that what around the time
Speaker 1: they break up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Was that the one that just came out a
Speaker 3: few years ago? Jackson like the Pete Yeah exactly, Okay,
Speaker 3: got it. I tried watching that. I got through the
Speaker 3: first half and then couldn't get through the second half.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is boring as shit. I don't
Speaker 3: care about the Beatles.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a different documentary on? That was Disney Plus?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: That was Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a different one, like an older one? Or
Speaker 1: is that the only one? Did let it be no
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be really good or is that
Speaker 1: the one that was supposed to be really.
Speaker 2: Good, that's the one that's supposed to be good as
Speaker 2: Peter Jackson won because I mean they had like a
Speaker 2: shitload of footage and then cut it down into a movie.
Speaker 2: Let it be like came out in nineteen seventy or whatever.
Speaker 2: But then it was kind of like you couldn't find
Speaker 2: it anywhere. Yeah, watch it or anything. And then Peter
Speaker 2: Jackson got ahold of it and remastered it and edited
Speaker 2: it down to five hours or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that was the other problem. It was super
Speaker 3: fucking love.
Speaker 1: So Chris is just an uncultured swine then, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm gonna say absolutely.
Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't even tried to watch it.
Speaker 3: It's in a British monkey.
Speaker 1: Okay. Anyway, So yeah, that was Bob Raffleson's directorial debut
Speaker 1: for a movie. Anyway. After that they produced some pretty
Speaker 1: big hits, including the nineteen sixty nine Roads I guess
Speaker 1: slash drug Trip film, Easy Writer Throwing Peter Fonda and
Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper, which I haven't.
Speaker 3: Say I mean that one, I've at least like heard
Speaker 3: of yeah, and it sounds like a famous movie. No,
Speaker 3: I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: Joe, No, No, I know of it, but yeah, Hopper
Speaker 1: was also the director of that movie. And there's some
Speaker 1: pretty crazy stories about the making of that movie in
Speaker 1: that like Easy Writers Raging Bulls book that I mentioned
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the episode, most of them involving
Speaker 1: a drugged up Dennis Opper and I just want to
Speaker 1: share one with you guys.
Speaker 3: Books.
Speaker 1: It's super quick, so, uh, they're making Easy Writer and
Speaker 1: Dennis Hoppers on I don't know probably every all of
Speaker 1: the drugs that he's able.
Speaker 3: To bare minimum six different kinds of drugs.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: That's where that question came.
Speaker 1: From, which I realized before reading this book that I
Speaker 1: always kind of knew that he was. Oh yeah, Dennis
Speaker 1: Hopper is like like crazy, like whatever. But that was
Speaker 1: like nine nineties. Dennis Opera was like, oh, he's kind
Speaker 1: of cooky. I didn't know that nineteen was.
Speaker 3: Calmed down and you didn't do as many drugs anymore.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that nineteen seventies Dennis Hopper was like,
Speaker 1: you're like, hold shit, that guy's he said, yeah, that
Speaker 1: guy's gonna murder somebody, yeah, which is brings us to
Speaker 1: the story. Okay, so he busts in on I think
Speaker 1: Peter Fonda. This is when they're making a easy writer.
Speaker 1: Peter Fonda is having dinner with Ripped Torn. You know
Speaker 1: both those guys are right, yeah, okay, And it says
Speaker 1: the book says, Hopper burst in upon the revelers, who
Speaker 1: are all drinking wine and having a fine time of it,
Speaker 1: and shouted, what the fuck is happening, Peter, weren't you
Speaker 1: guys writing? Having gotten their attention, he continued, things are
Speaker 1: so rough out there, I couldn't even stop. In Texas,
Speaker 1: they're cutting dude's hair with rusty raisers. Rip Torn, who
Speaker 1: hailed from Texas, recalls he tried to calm Hopper down, saying, ah,
Speaker 1: take it. I can't do a riped Torn.
Speaker 3: Take it. That's pretty close. Keep doing that.
Speaker 1: Not everyone from Texas is an a hole, it says.
Speaker 1: And he stood up, extending his hand, but Hopper betted
Speaker 1: it away, pushed him, says something like sit down, you motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Then says to Horn, Hopper grabbed a steak knife off
Speaker 1: the table and threatened him with it, placing the point
Speaker 1: between his eyes. And about five inches away. Torn, who
Speaker 1: had been a military policeman in the army, just armed Hopper.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, ripped Horn's kind of a
Speaker 3: crazy motherfucker too, isn't for sure.
Speaker 1: There's like some other story like when I can't remember
Speaker 1: what movie it was, where he like attacks there even
Speaker 1: on film, you can watch it on YouTube. He attacks
Speaker 1: a director with that. He comes at him with the hammer,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like a little it wasn't like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still a hammer, but it was like a smaller
Speaker 1: like a ball peen hammer, yeah, something like that, but
Speaker 1: it is a fucking hammer still, and the guy like
Speaker 1: gets him in, Like I think he was obviously on something,
Speaker 1: but I think he was drunk, so we like the
Speaker 1: guy was able to get him and like get it.
Speaker 1: But like you can hear women in the back because
Speaker 1: I watched the video because I was reading an article
Speaker 1: about it, and you can hear women in the backgrounds.
Speaker 3: Like oh my god, like oh shit.
Speaker 1: But then you know nothing's gonna happen to them, so
Speaker 1: it's okay to watch. I don't know anyway, So yeah, Torn,
Speaker 1: who had been a military policeman and in the army,
Speaker 1: disarmed Hopper, reversing the knife and putting it on his chest.
Speaker 1: According to writer Don Carpenter, who was also there, Hopper
Speaker 1: jump backwards, bumping into Fonda, knocking him down. Hopper exclaimed,
Speaker 1: I've got a buck knife. You want to have a
Speaker 1: knife fight.
Speaker 3: He just took your knife. Man, your knife. He didn't
Speaker 3: want to have a knife fight. You wanted to have
Speaker 3: a knife fight.
Speaker 1: He forgot already. Come on, Torn, Torn replied, I'll wait
Speaker 1: for you in the street. Bring your guns, bring your knives,
Speaker 1: bring your pals, and we'll find out in about three
Speaker 1: seconds who the punk is. Then he walked outside.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was a crazy first day of shooting.
Speaker 1: And Torn said, he said, I knew it. I knew
Speaker 1: he had a buck knife, but I considered what would
Speaker 1: happen if he did have a gun. So I stood
Speaker 1: between two cars with a trash can lid. I was
Speaker 1: going to sail at him and run like hell. But
Speaker 1: he never came out. What Yep, that's what happened. So basically,
Speaker 1: once rip Torn called him on his shit and went
Speaker 1: outside and like, fuck you, let's go out and fight.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, Denis opers like that guy's crazy. I'm going
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: That guy's crazy. And he knows how to fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, Ripturn was supposed to be on his
Speaker 1: Easy Writer, but he didn't end up doing it because
Speaker 1: of other commitments.
Speaker 3: I wonder why. Yeah, anyway, so he made an easy
Speaker 3: writer and then what else?
Speaker 1: Yes, that was easy writer. So anyway, the last film
Speaker 1: that they produced as Raybert Productions was called Five Easy Pieces,
Speaker 1: which Bob Raffleson directed and starred Jack Nicholson in what
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure was the role that made him famous.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I know he was an easy writer, but
Speaker 1: I think that this movie had a bit more impact
Speaker 1: on his career, like, career wise, because he was the
Speaker 1: lead character. And I could be one hundred percent wrong
Speaker 1: about that because I'm not I've never seen an easy writer,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how much how much actual screen
Speaker 1: time he had. But anyway, have you ever seen Five
Speaker 1: Ez Pieces?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, So I watched it the other day
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure it's Bob Raffleson's most successful film,
Speaker 1: both critically and financially. And I only say pretty sure
Speaker 1: because I'm not one hundred percent positive if it was
Speaker 1: his highest grossing film, but I definitely know that it
Speaker 1: was his highest rated like critic like on Rotten Tomatoes basically,
Speaker 1: but yeah, anyway, So, Bob Raffleson also has a story
Speaker 1: credit on Five EZ Pieces, with IMDb crediting Carol Eastman
Speaker 1: as the screenwriter, and according to the Easy Writer Raging
Speaker 1: Bulls book, Eastman wrote the screenplay based on some ideas
Speaker 1: that Raffleson gave her. The book then claims that Raffleson
Speaker 1: made script changes and then went ahead and gave himself
Speaker 1: a story like a co story credit, which Carol Eastman
Speaker 1: was not very happy about. And I'm not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure if that's true or not, because a lot
Speaker 1: of the people that the book talks about denounced some
Speaker 1: of the stories for being untrue when it was released,
Speaker 1: even though some of those people were interviewed by the
Speaker 1: author for the book, like they it would be stuff
Speaker 1: like he took what I said out of context. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you said that this person did a bunch of blow
Speaker 1: and then did this. I'm like, what which part did
Speaker 1: do you he take out a context? Because like I
Speaker 1: get that, like if something, but like all of it really,
Speaker 1: like you're quoted throughout the whole fucking book. So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like Okay. Once I read that, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well take this with the allegedly, but it's a really
Speaker 1: good book because you're like that that's what the Dennis
Speaker 1: Opper think came from. And like I said before, it's
Speaker 1: just nineteen seventies Hollywood and craziness because the Hayes Code
Speaker 1: that just ended recently ish, which you guys know what
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 3: It was like the super strict rules about what could
Speaker 3: be in movies.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, it was got which got put in place
Speaker 1: in like thirties, twenties or thirties or something like that.
Speaker 1: Stuff kind of starts changing in this like the early
Speaker 1: seventies with the type of movies that start coming out
Speaker 1: with like all of a sudden, you get all this.
Speaker 3: Ship like crime movies and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you get the fucking potato in a hat
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman likes with it's just a funny picture of me,
Speaker 1: looks like a potato in ahead. What's called for the
Speaker 1: Chase movie? I can't remember the fucking.
Speaker 2: Movie Italian Job.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a not the sting.
Speaker 1: No, the French connection, the French connection. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got those that pork by hat on him.
Speaker 3: Potato in a head.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, but yeah, so even Raffleson's ex wife, Toby,
Speaker 1: who is five Easy Pieces, the film's production designer, said
Speaker 1: in the book that the basic premise of the movie
Speaker 1: was his idea. So I don't know, yeah, moving on.
Speaker 1: Five Ez Pieces ends up being success upon its release,
Speaker 1: which the rabert Fellas follow up with another hit, the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one coming of age film The Last Picture Show,
Speaker 1: which was nominated for eight Oscars in one two and
Speaker 1: made Bert Schneider and Bob Raffleson like a couple of
Speaker 1: Hollywood's hottest producers. Pretty much. They produce a few more
Speaker 1: films over the next years that were gonna skim pass
Speaker 1: because I don't know, I was running out of time
Speaker 1: and they were whatever.
Speaker 3: No on them.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch him. They were The King of Marvin
Speaker 1: Gardens in nineteen seventy two, which Raffleson directed and once
Speaker 1: again starred Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 3: That's the Monopoly Man, I think.
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure, so maybe it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like a gritty movie made in the monopoly world,
Speaker 1: which I'm never gonna watch it now. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: assume that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, So then a film after that called The
Speaker 1: Mother and the Whore nineteen seventy three, which I hadn't
Speaker 1: no idea what that's about, but it sounds like a
Speaker 1: fun time. Yeah, I didn't look any of these up.
Speaker 1: And then following that up with the nineteen seventy four
Speaker 1: documentary about the Vinum more titled Hearts and Minds that
Speaker 1: pretty much catches us up to Bob Rafflson meeting Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1: Apologies about the long into for Raffleson. I wanted to
Speaker 1: give you guys an idea of how big a name
Speaker 1: Bob Raffleson was at the time, because I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I definitely had no idea before researching this, and like
Speaker 1: acclaim producer on top of that, yeah, which according to
Speaker 1: that book was partly because they didn't interfere. They usually
Speaker 1: would try not to interfere with the movies they were producing,
Speaker 1: like giving the directors pretty much creative freedom that usually
Speaker 1: ended up paying off.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So Arnold Schwarzenegger meets Bob Raffleson, who isn't
Speaker 1: completely sold on Arnold yet for the role of Joe Santo,
Speaker 1: but tells him that if he does end up in
Speaker 1: the movie, it's going to be a life changer for him.
Speaker 1: He's like, using like a five easy piece what five
Speaker 1: easy pieces did for Jack Nicholson as an example, and
Speaker 1: Arnold's like, oh my god, I can't believe it. Like
Speaker 1: in the book, He's like I had thousand eyes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So this is when Arnold first began
Speaker 1: hanging out with celebrities like he like name drops Jack
Speaker 1: Nicholson and Warren Baty at this point, who'd invite he says,
Speaker 1: would invite some like bodybuilders to their parties.
Speaker 3: Because this was Sorry, just so I have the timeline straight.
Speaker 3: This is definitely post Pumping Iron, right, No, this is before.
Speaker 1: This is before yeah, this is before the movie came out.
Speaker 1: The book hadn't even come out yet, so okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the book was coming out with this was like
Speaker 1: seventy four soon like within the year.
Speaker 3: Got but okay.
Speaker 1: He also he mentions that Hollywood was starting to change,
Speaker 1: like because I think I mentioned this in the in
Speaker 1: the Pumping Iron episode that everyone's listened to, But Hollywood
Speaker 1: was starting to change, and because at the time, the
Speaker 1: action star was a potato and a hat.
Speaker 6: So like people like sure, sure, like Cline Eastwoinds like thinner,
Speaker 6: like yeah.
Speaker 3: And Jack Nicholson and like yeah yeah yeah, well like
Speaker 3: not that he did about yeah, but it was like
Speaker 3: that was your leading man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he said that celebrities started to work out,
Speaker 1: finally started to work out, but he also mentions that
Speaker 1: they would work out, but then they would kind of
Speaker 1: hide it. They wanted people to think that that was natural.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the celebrities would invite the bodybuilders over. And
Speaker 1: then he also mentions how that like a couple of
Speaker 1: times that they would they came to his apartment and
Speaker 1: they'd be hanging out outside having a barbecue. He's like,
Speaker 1: which really tripped people out. But people would walk by
Speaker 1: and they're like, wait, shit, is that Jack Nicholson. By
Speaker 1: the way, he also had a girlfriend at the time
Speaker 1: named Barbara Outland, who I believe he'd been dating for
Speaker 1: five years at this point, since nineteen sixty nine. So
Speaker 1: he mentions in the book that she wanted to settle
Speaker 1: down and get married and for him to eventually like
Speaker 1: open up a health store, So she wasn't super happy
Speaker 1: about his possible venture into Hollywood. Yeah, I have a
Speaker 1: good feeling about them. So anyway, so Arnold doesn't get
Speaker 1: a straight answer for from Raffleson about the role. So
Speaker 1: in the meantime, he and Franco Colombo decide to host
Speaker 1: a bodybuilding tournament, specifically the nineteen seventy four Mister International Competition.
Speaker 1: They hire a publicist to help them promote it, who
Speaker 1: gets Sports Illustrated to cover the event, as well as
Speaker 1: getting Arnold booked on various late night talk shows. Those
Speaker 1: include The MERV Griffin Show, The Mike Douglas Show, and
Speaker 1: The Fucking Tonight Show at Johnny Carson. Because apparently, like
Speaker 1: talk shows were super lax about who they booked in
Speaker 1: the seventies, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: The fuck he's trying to kill time guests. I think
Speaker 3: I'm curious if that was the time always be Dom Delawise.
Speaker 1: Or Rodney dangerfielders always Dom Delawise. Well at the time,
Speaker 1: I'm curious if this was the time when he was
Speaker 1: doing two hours or like an hour and a half
Speaker 1: or something like that, because I know there was a
Speaker 1: time when he was doing he would go from there
Speaker 1: was in a this was before Letterman, so he was
Speaker 1: he would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no there was nothing after the Tonight shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so he got booked on those,
Speaker 1: and of course he was as charming as fuck self
Speaker 1: during these appearances, saying in the book that the interviewers
Speaker 1: were always shocked that he could talk and wasn't just
Speaker 1: some big dumb off. But yeah. So he and franco
Speaker 1: host the Mister International competition in Los Angeles that was
Speaker 1: August of nineteen seventy four. On top of that being
Speaker 1: a success, it also leads to a pretty sweet opportunity
Speaker 1: for Arnold because his appearance on merv Griffin actually ends
Speaker 1: up leading to Lucille Ball's people reaching out to him
Speaker 1: and asking if he'd appear in an upcoming TV movie
Speaker 1: she's starring in with Art Carney, who I think it
Speaker 1: was on The Honeymooners.
Speaker 3: Oh is he the skinny guy on the Honeymooners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the one that's not I can't even John Gleeson.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: That was titled Happy Anniversary and Goodbye, which Arnold says
Speaker 1: was his screen debut because apparently Hercules in New York
Speaker 1: never was never released, which I didn't double check notes,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember that from the episode that we did,
Speaker 1: which is kind of embarrassing because I'm like, how the
Speaker 1: fuck did you not catch that?
Speaker 3: What? It was never released?
Speaker 1: That's what he said in his book. So so he
Speaker 1: called this to his screen debut, which I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I Yeah, once we do Hercules in New York,
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. You know. Anyway, we're gonna skip
Speaker 1: past his role in the TV movie with Luci Wall
Speaker 1: because we're gonna get to that eventually in like some
Speaker 1: other episode. But at the same time he was doing that,
Speaker 1: he was also training for the nineteen seventy four Mister
Speaker 1: Olympia competition, which he ends up beating Lufregno to win.
Speaker 1: So after the competition, Arnold attends a book party for
Speaker 1: the release of Pumping Iron, which Bob Rafelson is also attending,
Speaker 1: and according to Arnold, Rafelson had begun casting for Stay Hungry,
Speaker 1: with Jeff Bridges already having been cast in the lead role,
Speaker 1: which doesn't quite line up with the timeline that Bob
Speaker 1: Rafelson gave in a nineteen seventy six interview he did
Speaker 1: with its call the BFI, the British Film Institute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Arnold's a busy guy, so you know, he
Speaker 1: can't remember every single minute of every single day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely not because he was smoking all that week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Anyway, So, according to the interview with Bob Rachfelson,
Speaker 1: the day after the nineteen seventy four Mister Olympic competition
Speaker 1: was the day that he'd set as his deadline for
Speaker 1: letting Charles Gaines know whether or not he wanted to
Speaker 1: adapt to Stay Hungry. Apparently, Rafaelson had met with Chuck
Speaker 1: Gaines a few months before the competition to discuss adapting
Speaker 1: Gaines's book, which Rafelson had read right around the time
Speaker 1: he was doing a bunch of research for a movie
Speaker 1: about the West African slave trade.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I guess after a family tragedy, though, Rafaelson
Speaker 1: decided to shove that project and work on something a
Speaker 1: bit more cheerful because the whole slavery thing was just
Speaker 1: really kind of starting to bum him out, Like after
Speaker 1: that family stuff happened, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Get fair, I guess, yeah, sure, especially like yeah.
Speaker 5: Question, yes, you mean he went to stay hungry from
Speaker 5: the slavery.
Speaker 1: That's just the those words together sound funny.
Speaker 3: He was gonna make the slavery but yes, right then, but.
Speaker 5: He switched years and didn't stay hungry.
Speaker 1: Because something happened with his family and he got like
Speaker 1: it just shit was tough, and I don't know, but
Speaker 1: he put it more eloquently than that, by the way.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yes, but that's more or less what he said,
Speaker 1: which I found like the honesty of kind of funny
Speaker 1: because I know what he meant. Yeah, and it definitely
Speaker 1: makes sense. But for some reason, it just made me
Speaker 1: picture this like totally made up version of Bob Rafelson
Speaker 1: that was just completely unaware of how fucking horrible the
Speaker 1: West African trade slave was or slave trade was, just
Speaker 1: like during his interview being yeah, during the interview, being like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how familiar with this whole slavery stuff
Speaker 1: that happened a while back. Whoa, let me tell you
Speaker 1: it was not good. Just I don't know it was.
Speaker 1: Oh man, have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 3: Just just comes into the interview with his hand shaking,
Speaker 3: smoking a cigarette like Jesus christ Man.
Speaker 1: Apparently we're dickheads. He wouldn't admit that.
Speaker 3: I'm just now no.
Speaker 1: Anyway, okay, but yeah, like I said, Rafelson set up
Speaker 1: a meeting with Charles Gaines to discuss the book, although
Speaker 1: this wasn't because he was interested in adapting the story.
Speaker 1: This was because the book's ending reminded him of the
Speaker 1: last his last two films, with Rafelson admitting during that
Speaker 1: same nineteen seventy six BFI interview quote with Stay Hungry,
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the least interested in making this book
Speaker 1: into a movie, but I was interested in the writer.
Speaker 1: So I met Gaines in Birmingham, Alabama, and it was
Speaker 1: only at the end of a very long conversation that
Speaker 1: I said to him that the conclusions of his novel
Speaker 1: were not unlike the conclusions I had come to in
Speaker 1: both Five Easy Pieces and The King of Marvin Gardens unquote.
Speaker 1: So basically, he didn't care about the actual story. He
Speaker 1: just liked the fact that Chuck Gaines had ended the
Speaker 1: book in a way that was totally similar to the
Speaker 1: end of his movies, which cool, cool, yeah exactly, Like.
Speaker 3: What a weird place to start that conversation, like the bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet ending, man, have you seen my movies?
Speaker 3: Sorry, you've seen Five Easy Pieces? Right? You said you
Speaker 3: watched it?
Speaker 1: Yes, I did. How does that end it ends? Oh? Sorry?
Speaker 1: I was like I told you, I explained it to
Speaker 1: Erica the other night, but yeah, she sort of saw.
Speaker 1: So did I even tell you what it's about.
Speaker 5: I don't think I don't even know what it's.
Speaker 1: Okay, So basically it's Jack Nicholson. He's an oil a
Speaker 1: Derek Oil Derek worker.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, gotcha, that's how it starts.
Speaker 1: And he's as a girlfriend who's kind of dumb, like annoying.
Speaker 1: She's he's annoying, she did see and talks like a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Gross.
Speaker 1: So it's basically like him like hanging out with his
Speaker 1: work friend and his wife and for a while, there's
Speaker 1: nothing really happening, and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: quits the job. He ends up meeting with his sister,
Speaker 1: who's a pianist, like like, I'm pretty sure she's like
Speaker 1: recording for something. She's she's being recorded in his studio,
Speaker 1: and you find out that he used to be like
Speaker 1: like he's super good at music. Yeah something. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: she tells him that their dad's not dying, like he's
Speaker 1: had a couple of strokes. So he goes back home
Speaker 1: and part of it is the trip going home, which
Speaker 1: I think I might have mentioned this like before, but
Speaker 1: there's a scene like a famous scene of him and
Speaker 1: a diner and he's trying to order like eggs and
Speaker 1: toast or something like that, but they there's no substitutions
Speaker 1: and they don't have it, and so he's trying to
Speaker 1: like get it's it's a good scene. Sure, yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he gets there. He hangs out with his family for
Speaker 1: a bit. He realizes that they kind of stuck. His
Speaker 1: brother's also a prodigy, and his dad was like, like
Speaker 1: a they're kind of like a famous musical family, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: His girlfriend shows up. One of their one of the
Speaker 1: family's guests is a dick tor, so he defends her.
Speaker 1: They leave, and his girlfriend's pregnant by the way, for
Speaker 1: to I mention that they're going back home, and so
Speaker 1: the movie ends with them stopping at a gas station
Speaker 1: to fill up, and he's in the bathroom and then
Speaker 1: decides to ditcher. So she's at the pump. There's a
Speaker 1: like a big like refueling truck that's sitting right outside
Speaker 1: the bathroom. He talks to the guy like without her
Speaker 1: saying because he's like hidden behind the truck. He talks
Speaker 1: to the guy who owns a truck, asks him for
Speaker 1: a ride, like he doesn't show this. It's up. It's
Speaker 1: like pulling out so you can't do anything, gets in
Speaker 1: the truck and leaves, and the last like shot is
Speaker 1: the truck driving away as she's standing there like looking around.
Speaker 3: That's the fucking end of the base.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the movie. So and I don't
Speaker 1: know how I should have looked up how the King
Speaker 1: of Marvin Gardens ends, but it's probably similar, if it's
Speaker 1: totally similar to that.
Speaker 3: And so he reads this book and he's just like, man,
Speaker 3: you're a bleak asshole, just like me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like to think the end of King
Speaker 5: of Marvin Gardens is he's just walking out with the
Speaker 5: crown in the middle of a like a type of
Speaker 5: French type of maze garden in front of a cast.
Speaker 3: Especially going to say he passes go.
Speaker 1: No, he he lands on the luxury thing after passing go.
Speaker 1: Money taken away has got to end sad at exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he didn't care about the story, which again cool,
Speaker 1: But like I'm as I'm reading all this stuff, I'm
Speaker 1: like trying really hard as I'm writing this, not the
Speaker 1: shit on this guy, because like the whole like he
Speaker 1: and stuff like iron stuff just reasonly comes off like
Speaker 1: egotisticals fuck and is that just me? Or like I'm
Speaker 1: trure I'm reading more into it just because I'm I
Speaker 1: don't really care for him.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean he seems like a prick. I
Speaker 3: don't know it. It's at least a little bit egotistical.
Speaker 3: I don't like going into a conversation where that's like
Speaker 3: the only thing you liked about his book, or like
Speaker 3: where that's really the only thing you guys have to
Speaker 3: talk about, especially when he when the author is probably
Speaker 3: really excited about meeting a director who liked his book, Like, yes,
Speaker 3: that seems shitty, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which leads us to the next thing, because Rayfelson then
Speaker 1: goes on to prove that he didn't give a shit
Speaker 1: about the actual story by letting Chuck Gaines Charles gain
Speaker 1: Sorry Chuck what Chuck Gaines know that he'd make significant
Speaker 1: changes to the book if he did end up adapting it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was This was at the meeting, So I guess
Speaker 1: this wasn't a deal breaker for Gaines, even though he
Speaker 1: did have other offers for the book rights.
Speaker 3: Hum.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he definitely could have pushed for a more
Speaker 1: faithful adaptation if he really wanted to but apparently he
Speaker 1: was a bit of like a Bob Rafelson fanboy, so
Speaker 1: his interest in working with Rafelson ended up outweighing his
Speaker 1: attachment to the source material Jesus, which is that's according
Speaker 1: to Bob Rafelson, I didn't find anything about Charles Gaines
Speaker 1: talking about it, but yeah, so, which Rafelson did warn him.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you might not be happy with it,
Speaker 1: but then like doesn't mention anything else about it, Like
Speaker 1: you you say that now, but you know anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so even though Charles Gaines had agreed to
Speaker 1: the changes that Rafelson wanted to make to the book,
Speaker 1: Bob Rafelson still made him wait anywhere between six weeks
Speaker 1: and several months, depending on the year. Like that he
Speaker 1: was interviewed about this because like the first like the
Speaker 1: first one, the six months was from a nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: six that BFI interview, and then the several months was
Speaker 1: mentioned in a twenty nineteen Esquire magazine interview. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're wondering what Bob Rafelson was actually doing
Speaker 1: during this time. According to the twenty nineteen Esquire magazine interview,
Speaker 1: he was quote hitchhiking across the South infiltrating Southern society
Speaker 1: and immersing himself in the weightlifting culture because apparently he
Speaker 1: was the like director's version of like a method actor.
Speaker 5: I don't think he needed that for this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's good to know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is also which is me defending the whatever, but
Speaker 1: like it's also a time where you there isn't. I
Speaker 1: think we take for granted how easy it is to
Speaker 1: get information now, so I guess that's fair.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know. I having since watched the movie,
Speaker 3: I find that he is a little too in. He's
Speaker 3: a little bit too intent or focused on getting like
Speaker 3: an authentic feel for what Southern people are like, like
Speaker 3: to the detriment of the story, Yes, like that's it
Speaker 3: felt like that, but.
Speaker 1: Like not the bad parts of the Southern people.
Speaker 3: Well no, but man, can they play the fiddle? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The best part is the reason he gave for his
Speaker 1: immersion into the weightlifting world, saying during the nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: six interview that he did it because quote, I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure I was in the least intrigued by their profession.
Speaker 1: The day after the Mister Olympia contest in New York,
Speaker 1: was the day I'd set as my deadline for notifying
Speaker 1: Gains as to whether or not I would pursue the thing,
Speaker 1: And there was enough there obviously to make me decide
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it unquote. But yeah, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, just like nothing gets me looking forward to
Speaker 1: watching a film quite like reading about the directors like
Speaker 1: lukewarm interest and not just the source material but also
Speaker 1: the film's like like entire subplot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just inspires a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The more stuff I read, I'm like, why
Speaker 1: did you even do the movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And there's something like in that book I read, and
Speaker 1: I think I read somewhere else, but I think it
Speaker 1: was actually in a Roger Ebert review or something like
Speaker 1: that they weren't as worried about plot back then, like
Speaker 1: it was more sure the feel of the movies or whatever. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm the complete opposite.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I don't really like that style, but
Speaker 3: I understand that that's the way the seventies were. But
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like there are probably way
Speaker 3: better versions of it than this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which again it makes me curious about the book,
Speaker 1: but I don't know anyway that brings us back to
Speaker 1: the Pumping Iron book party, and according to Arnold's book,
Speaker 1: Bob Rafelson have begun casting the movie with Jeff Bridges
Speaker 1: are having already been cast in the lead role. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't really find much from Jeff Bridges about the movie.
Speaker 1: But one of the things I did find is just
Speaker 1: just great. So it's a twenty twenty two interview that
Speaker 1: he did for a book about Bob Rafelson, and I
Speaker 1: could probably sum up his answer for how he became
Speaker 1: involved in the film, but I want to read it
Speaker 1: instead because, like partly because it's short, but mostly because
Speaker 1: it reads like it's unedited and you can definitely hear
Speaker 1: I don't know so anyway, So interview, he's being interviewed
Speaker 1: by Chris Wade and he's asked how he got the
Speaker 1: part and Stay Hungry, and Jeff Bridges tells him, quote, Hey,
Speaker 1: Chris Gosh, I wish I could do his voice because
Speaker 1: I can't do a good Jeff Brushes because I'm just
Speaker 1: going southern or something.
Speaker 3: Hey Chris Gosh.
Speaker 1: Now this is all so long ago. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think back now. Well, it all started with the Last
Speaker 1: Picture Show, which Bob's company produced, BBS God what other
Speaker 1: company is named after people's first names. I love that
Speaker 1: The last Picture was one of their big productions, so
Speaker 1: Bob was aware of me from that and it kind
Speaker 1: of fell into place. I can't recall exactly. It must
Speaker 1: have been through my agent. It all started with Picture Show.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's where Jeff Bridges in his old age,
Speaker 3: he just fucking talks like he gives no, like he
Speaker 3: just doesn't give a shit, like he doesn't care how
Speaker 3: he answers things, and he doesn't want to sound professional
Speaker 3: or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just like, but I just love how the because
Speaker 1: that that was written, So I like how the person
Speaker 1: didn't cut out the hey Chris Gosh part. Yeah I
Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah. So they cast him and he
Speaker 1: already had a ton of credits at this time dating
Speaker 1: back to the fifties, which I don't know. One of
Speaker 1: them is like an infid in so that doesn't really camping,
Speaker 1: but like masked that he was in. I didn't know
Speaker 1: Lloyd Bridges had his own show. Oh yeah, because there was.
Speaker 1: He was credit on the Lloyd Bridges Show, which I
Speaker 1: was like, m and then I realized I don't know
Speaker 1: because I didn't look at it because I was Okay, hurry,
Speaker 1: but I realized, I don't think I've seen him in
Speaker 1: anything older like his dad. No, it's like, because I'm now,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what I've actually seen him
Speaker 1: and beside Seinfeld, I know I've seen him in a
Speaker 1: bunch but.
Speaker 3: Oh like airplane, Yeah, probably exactly. I think that's like
Speaker 3: the oldest thing I would know him from.
Speaker 1: God. So anyway, uh yeah, so Jeff Bridges' cast, We're
Speaker 1: all at the party and now well. Charles Gaines and
Speaker 1: George Butler are once again pushing for Rafelson to cast
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger for the role of the bodybuilding role of Joe Santo,
Speaker 1: with Gaines even rewriting the character to make it more
Speaker 1: Schwartz and Agarian, which he did by making the character
Speaker 1: Austrian even though he's a Native American in the book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it couldn't change the name.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I was thinking to maybe, because the.
Speaker 5: First time I saw Joe Santo, I was like, really
Speaker 5: it well, yes that, yes, you could have changed everything else.
Speaker 5: You couldn't think of a different name.
Speaker 1: Gustaf Austrian.
Speaker 5: No, that sounds well.
Speaker 3: Like Joe can be Joseph fine.
Speaker 5: That's fine.
Speaker 3: But like the Santo, Yeah, it could have just been
Speaker 3: Joe Schmidt venties.
Speaker 1: I don't give a about correct Come on, Joe Sensitivity.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Joe october Fest. Okay, but yeah. So Arnold
Speaker 1: in says that Rafelson eventually calls him up to set
Speaker 1: up a meeting after the TV movie that he did
Speaker 1: with Lucille Ball aired, and during that meeting, Raefelson starts
Speaker 1: grilling Arnold about the acting requirements for the role. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you this little part of their conversation
Speaker 1: real quick because it just makes me laugh. This is
Speaker 1: coming from Arnold's autobiography. So he says, quote, we sat
Speaker 1: down at Zucki's in Santa Monica the next day for lunch.
Speaker 1: Bob was all business. I'd never seen him in movie
Speaker 1: director mode. He took charge of the conversation and had
Speaker 1: a lot to say. He quotes Bob Rayfelson as saying,
Speaker 1: I want you to play the lead role in the film,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to give it to you. You
Speaker 1: have to earn it right now. I feel you are
Speaker 1: not capable of being in front of the camera and
Speaker 1: selling all the different beats that I need. And then
Speaker 1: this is Arnold talking. He says, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: a beat was, but as he continued, I begin to
Speaker 1: catch on. And then he goes back to quoting Rafelson, saying,
Speaker 1: most people think of a bodybuilder as a guy who
Speaker 1: will walk into a room and crash into everything and
Speaker 1: break it. When he talks, it'll be a rough talk.
Speaker 1: But I bought the book part because this guy, besides
Speaker 1: being powerful, is sensitive. You'll see him lifting hundreds of
Speaker 1: pounds of weight, but in the next scene he might
Speaker 1: pick up a glass and say, do you know what
Speaker 1: this is? This is back a rat crystal. Look how
Speaker 1: gorgeous it is. Look how delicate it is. That's just
Speaker 1: one example. He loves music. He plays the fiddle. He
Speaker 1: can get off on the quality of a guitar. He
Speaker 1: has sensitivity and intuition that are almost like a woman's Jesus,
Speaker 1: that's what makes the character. He is able to shift
Speaker 1: gears and that's very hard to pull off. And that's him.
Speaker 1: Quoting Bob Rafelson, Arnold and says, I made a mental
Speaker 1: note I would have to take a few fiddle lessons
Speaker 1: what he pulls from it. Every time I read that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just sounds like something out of a
Speaker 1: out of like a like Futurama or something like that.
Speaker 1: Just like hands down to his notepen and.
Speaker 3: He's like, it's just like a picture of he's just
Speaker 3: sketching a fiddle. He's like doodling himself playing fiddle.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, so yes, So Raefelson eventually agrees to hire
Speaker 1: him on two conditions, first that he began taking acting
Speaker 1: lessons immediately, and then secondly that he cut down his
Speaker 1: weight from two forty to two ten, which of the
Speaker 1: two was the one that he had a problem with
Speaker 1: because it basically meant that he'd have to retire from competing.
Speaker 1: That he wanted him to cut his weight because the
Speaker 1: camera makes the body look bigger and he doesn't want
Speaker 1: him to, which is this is what he has Bob
Speaker 1: riffleson Quota is saying, And I don't want you to
Speaker 1: overwhelm the other actress with your size. You can still
Speaker 1: weigh two ten and sell the idea of being mister Universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah like even after he cuts down, he's still way
Speaker 1: bigger than.
Speaker 3: He is, still huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, so anyway, so he agrees to
Speaker 1: do both, and the production company pays for three months
Speaker 1: of both acting classes and private lessons from acting coach
Speaker 1: Eric Morris, who had been Jack Nicholson's acting coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a pretty funny story in the book about
Speaker 1: like his acting coach trying to get him to summon
Speaker 1: the emotion to cry, but Arnold just like wasn't at
Speaker 1: the time exactly in touch with his emotions. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like while reading and I was just like thinking, I
Speaker 1: know why he wants him to cry, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: he doesn't understand that it's something that he can never do.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just made me think of The
Speaker 1: Terminator two saying for some reason like at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, like and then after that, I was
Speaker 1: just imagining, like his acting coach like years later watching
Speaker 1: T two. I mean, like you're telling me, like when
Speaker 1: he sees delivered that line.
Speaker 5: Next. I don't think I've ever seen him past in
Speaker 5: something that needs to cry. I think even even Maggie,
Speaker 5: Like does he really need to cry Maggie.
Speaker 1: I mean, his daughter's dying, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like's not yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I'm I think maybe in Maggie, but
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I'm PROMI assuming, so I'm sure he.
Speaker 3: Did like between Maggie and Aftermath. I'm sure he did
Speaker 3: at least once or twice. Yeah, I'm sure it was fantastic,
Speaker 3: lot of other stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't remember him crying in Aftermath or Collateral
Speaker 5: Collateral Daniel.
Speaker 1: No, No, I wouldn't think he would have if he's
Speaker 1: doing shower, So it just kind of.
Speaker 5: Well, the only shower scene in Aftermath. This is but
Speaker 5: that I remember. So I was looking a little south
Speaker 5: from his tears.
Speaker 1: Districted. Well, he shouldn't have been crying at that point either,
Speaker 1: because he.
Speaker 3: Was looking at his other cheeks because Bill was before
Speaker 3: his family died, so like he's crying, it's just his
Speaker 3: own personal.
Speaker 1: Issues, like.
Speaker 3: Exactly just construction.
Speaker 1: Okay, So according to Arnold's book, it was right around
Speaker 1: this time that Sally Fielderman cast who, before getting the
Speaker 1: role of Mary Tate Farnsworth, had not worked in two
Speaker 1: years ever since her show, which was called The Girl
Speaker 1: with Something Extra, was canceled after only one season. Which
Speaker 1: I'm really curious what that was about, and I.
Speaker 5: Think I remember, but I think it was probably something
Speaker 5: similar to like a coming of age, like probably being
Speaker 5: similar to I've never seen my so called life, but
Speaker 5: I would assume it was something similar.
Speaker 1: I think she was nineteen or twenty when when she
Speaker 1: got the part and Stay Hungry, I think, but I'm
Speaker 1: not positive.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm sure it's just like a nineteen
Speaker 3: girl situation. Yeah, well, like you know, it's just it's
Speaker 3: a girl and she's quirky.
Speaker 2: She wasn't very.
Speaker 5: Happy about the wall, That's all I remember, because she
Speaker 5: didn't want another like sick coommy type thing because she
Speaker 5: was just starting to begin like the sick.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, is like I bet you
Speaker 3: it was similar to Gidget?
Speaker 1: Is that that was a show though Gidget was Yeah,
Speaker 1: this ends up being her first movie.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah that was a show.
Speaker 5: It was only on one season.
Speaker 1: No, no, sorry, so sorry, I meant Stay Hungry ends
Speaker 1: up being her first movie. Yeah yeah right, but yeah.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: According to Sally Field's autobiography, this is partly because she
Speaker 1: told her agent that she only wanted to do movies
Speaker 1: why she didn't work for two years, and she told
Speaker 1: them to turn down any TV offers that came in.
Speaker 1: Her agent advised her that she should stick to sitcoms
Speaker 1: because only model models work in film, and she wasn't
Speaker 1: pretty enough Jesus. Yeah, and she responded by firing that douchebag.
Speaker 3: So yeah, fuck that. Fuck that guy.
Speaker 1: He did throw in no offense and no offense do
Speaker 1: network According to Sellly Fild.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm on his side.
Speaker 1: No offense, but you're not really prairie enough to be
Speaker 1: in per Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the seventies were fun, especially for the ladies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely for dudes anyway, And that's why she was famous
Speaker 1: at the time. Wasn't it like yeah, like Erica said,
Speaker 1: like starring as like in sitcoms as a kid, Like
Speaker 1: it was just Gidget and the Flying Nun, wasn't it?
Speaker 3: Or there were more pretty sure that Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And it's didn't she like hate being like the Flying
Speaker 1: Nun or was like ashamed of it or something like that,
Speaker 1: or just because it was like it was like a
Speaker 1: joke around like pretty much Hollywood or something like that, right,
Speaker 1: like they like Late nine shows were digging in on
Speaker 1: it and stuff like it was just like an easy
Speaker 1: punchline sort of thing.
Speaker 3: I thought she just hated Catholics.
Speaker 5: So the Girl with Something Extra is about her and
Speaker 5: her husband and being a normal, cute newlywed couple attempting
Speaker 5: to begin a quiet new life together. The only problem
Speaker 5: is she's blessed with powers of ds.
Speaker 3: She's psychic, that's what.
Speaker 1: That's the extra part.
Speaker 5: Which her skills at mind reading get her and her
Speaker 5: husband into plenty of wackyast situations.
Speaker 1: She would it would.
Speaker 3: I guess it's just like a Bewitched trip off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry. I read parts of the book, but skipped over
Speaker 1: a lot of it, so I'm like, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: like the Hungry part down, but there's at the end
Speaker 1: of it I read because it's like I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if you talk what she talks about with
Speaker 1: the nineties stuff.
Speaker 3: Not much.
Speaker 1: Oh now she kind of skips over, kind of skips
Speaker 1: over like the nineties I mentioned like the movies that
Speaker 1: she was in that like in a passing way, but
Speaker 1: then like stops on Lincoln because.
Speaker 5: That was a that was the role she like super wanted.
Speaker 1: But yeah, good book. Uh So, Anyway, apparently Sally Field
Speaker 1: spent those two years leading up to Stay Hungry working
Speaker 1: on the old acting chops. You know, like she was
Speaker 1: even studying at the Actor Studio with Lee Strasburg.
Speaker 3: Who have you guys.
Speaker 1: Heard of I know Erica has because she read the book.
Speaker 3: But Chris, that's like a name I've heard. I don't
Speaker 3: remember like who he is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I guess he was the director of the
Speaker 1: school like the Actor Studio, as well as being a
Speaker 1: super famous acting coach, which I'm sure is simplifying and
Speaker 1: doubt like and or doubt his career accomplishments. But and
Speaker 1: I apologize for that to anybody that cares, which yes,
Speaker 1: I apologize to that, but it gets the point across.
Speaker 1: So whatever. So, basically, the New York Times had called
Speaker 1: him the quote father of method acting in America and
Speaker 1: said that he revolutionized the art of acting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's where I heard of him, as
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: New York Times, that nineteen seventh Times tart to call
Speaker 1: your read Yeah, exactly right. I was digging through the archives.
Speaker 3: It was a very well read child. Fetus cat in
Speaker 3: the hat.
Speaker 1: Get that shit out of here. Bring me the Times, mama.
Speaker 3: I guess if you don't have any New Yorkers.
Speaker 1: Or you're hearing so. Yeah. So anyway, so Sally Field
Speaker 1: was attending sessions with you know that dude Strasburg training
Speaker 1: She was training to develop her method acting skills, and
Speaker 1: she says she read the Stay Hungry script in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy five, which she described in her book by saying, quote,
Speaker 1: it was well written and if telling an understandable story
Speaker 1: with believable, realistic characters, what was what I was looking for?
Speaker 1: Then Stay Hungry, wasn't it? Unquote Yeah, but I guess
Speaker 1: She was given the script after the casting director included
Speaker 1: her to the list of actresses to audio, which she
Speaker 1: said happened for two reasons, the first being the good
Speaker 1: reputation she'd earned based on her work at the Actress Studio,
Speaker 1: and then secondly, actress Zora Lampert, who played Sally Field's
Speaker 1: best friend on the show what was it called? The
Speaker 1: last show she did? Yeah, was something extra she played
Speaker 1: her best friend on that She was good friends with
Speaker 1: the casting director, whose name is Diane Crittenden, So yeah,
Speaker 1: and she'd recommended her. But yeah. As far as the audition,
Speaker 1: she says that while waiting outside of Bob Rayffelson's office beforehand,
Speaker 1: she could hear him screaming at the casting director at
Speaker 1: Diane Crittenden just pissed about the fact that she had
Speaker 1: added Sally Field to their list of actresses. That they
Speaker 1: had audition and that auditioning her was a waste of time. Yeah, seriously, Like,
Speaker 1: the more and more I read about this dude, the
Speaker 1: more I just did not fucking like him. Like he's
Speaker 1: basically throwing a tantrum loud enough for her to hear,
Speaker 1: just to be a dick. Yeah, because there's no fucking
Speaker 1: way that he thought that she might not hear him
Speaker 1: if he's yelling right out, like and she's right outside
Speaker 1: of the office, I don't know. And on top of that, Sorry,
Speaker 1: this stuff is why his movies didn't really stand a
Speaker 1: chance for me as far as liking them, because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: fuck this dude, and then watching these movies, I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting there criticizing every single fucking thing that I'm watching. Okay,
Speaker 1: so sorry, So Rafaelson is yelling because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: Sally failed to audition. Wait wait, sorry, I need to
Speaker 1: start throwing in some allegedlies just in case. Okay, yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: so let me start that over. So Rayfelson allegedly throws
Speaker 1: a bitch fit over having to audition Sally Field, which
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna say allegedly, I can just say whatever
Speaker 1: I want after that, right, Yeah, Okay, so Rayfelson is
Speaker 1: just being a little bitch over the fact that Sally
Speaker 1: Field has to audition.
Speaker 3: So allegedly tiny Dick Bob rayfl.
Speaker 1: Just with Field saying that she used the anger she
Speaker 1: was like felt about that Dick move to fueld her
Speaker 1: performance for the audition. That audition consisted of two scenes
Speaker 1: which she would be doing like her scene partner was
Speaker 1: Chuck Gaines Charles Gaines, the writer m Yeah, got it.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I also forgot to mention that she had decided beforehand
Speaker 1: that because her reputation going into the audition was as
Speaker 1: like a like a Gidget, like the flying down like
Speaker 1: a TV actor. Yeah, she decided that the only way
Speaker 1: she was gonna get the part was if she went
Speaker 1: in completely like method from the get go, so that
Speaker 1: when she walked into the audition, they only saw the character,
Speaker 1: the Mary Tate Friends With character, not Sally Field.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was also the first thing she
Speaker 5: said she ever had to like audition for, because I'd
Speaker 5: also been a TV show that was like made for her.
Speaker 1: She said it was her second one she said she auditioned.
Speaker 1: I think she said the auditioned for Gidget and like
Speaker 1: she has an audition since like nineteen sixty four or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I really had the audition.
Speaker 1: I didn't write it down, but eventually Bob Ravelson gives her.
Speaker 1: She He's like, you're you're obviously the best because you've
Speaker 1: done so many auditions. She's like, I have done. This
Speaker 1: is my second audition ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have an audition in what like more than
Speaker 3: a decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick. Since I doubt most people, like those
Speaker 1: people listening to this have seen the movie, how would
Speaker 1: you guys describe that character the Mary Tape funds with
Speaker 1: character from watching it. I have a quote from Sally Field,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna get your impression of it first.
Speaker 3: How would I describe her? She's like a I have
Speaker 3: a hard time describing her because she like in the movie,
Speaker 3: she exists mostly as a love interest. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 3: pretty much. She doesn't have a ton of character. She's
Speaker 3: like she's spunky. Sure, I don't. I don't even think
Speaker 3: she's that spunky. She just like doesn't take she I
Speaker 3: will say that she doesn't take any like shit from
Speaker 3: all the rich people that she has to hang around. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like she has some fucking self respect and doesn't let
Speaker 3: the rich asshole she has to hang out with h
Speaker 3: during part of the movie like condescend to her and shit, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah she's yeah, Like they definitely play her up as
Speaker 3: being kind of sex positive, yeah, in that she doesn't mind,
Speaker 3: she's not like super conservative about it, and she doesn't
Speaker 3: mind using her sexuality when she needs to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is similar to what like it basically like
Speaker 1: some of them.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 1: So the quote from Sallyfield about the character, which I'm
Speaker 1: assuming is how she played it too, like the way
Speaker 1: she saw it obviously, but she said, uh described her
Speaker 1: as quote Southern and appeared to be uneducated, economically challenged,
Speaker 1: and physically inclined. She was also sexual with an open, easy,
Speaker 1: no big deal kind of sensuality unquote. She says that
Speaker 1: was like a it was challenging because she wasn't like
Speaker 1: like outwardly like that obviously, like that was an image
Speaker 1: that she projected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1: So as far as the audition, Sally Field said that
Speaker 1: they actually ended up unexpectedly improvising the first scene when
Speaker 1: she decided to drop her script on the ground and
Speaker 1: then walk over and straddle Chuck Gaines after taking his
Speaker 1: script and tossing it on the floor. Yeah all right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was the first audition. She comes up leaves
Speaker 1: without like making a contact or talking to them because
Speaker 1: fuck them, like after she because that would be in
Speaker 1: an asshole, and because she was probably still doing the
Speaker 1: method thing. Yeah exactly. So she ends up getting a
Speaker 1: call a week later from Bob Rayfelson regarding a callback,
Speaker 1: with him supposedly starting off by telling her quote, well
Speaker 1: we've now read every actress in this town, and I
Speaker 1: can't believe that you were the best.
Speaker 3: Fuck you Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: He says that, before mentioning that there are five other
Speaker 1: girls that they were considering and none of them had
Speaker 1: auditioned as well as she did, but they all had
Speaker 1: that quote long legged and long haired look that he
Speaker 1: was looking for. Because this dude is like seriously like
Speaker 1: the King of like nagging, like fucking Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, he just fucking sucks shit.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Okay, this reminds me of the It reminds me of
Speaker 3: the Radioactive Man movie. The episode of The Simpsons where
Speaker 3: Bart comes in and he's like, you would be perfect
Speaker 3: if you were five, and just she's christ fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so her second audition was with Jeff Bridges,
Speaker 1: who she admitted to instantly connecting with, and pretty much
Speaker 1: any interview I found with her talking about him was
Speaker 1: always super positive.
Speaker 3: Like she yeah, like she she.
Speaker 1: They get along greater, she loves him. That goes both ways.
Speaker 3: Did they work together again.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did, like nineteen eighty two or something like that, Okay,
Speaker 1: and I think.
Speaker 5: She ended up working with his brother or something like that.
Speaker 1: Too, well, we'dges probably yeah, so yeah. So sally Field
Speaker 1: joins the film, with her saying that she stayed in
Speaker 1: character for pretty much the whole production, and according to Arnold,
Speaker 1: this is going back. Once sally Field was cast, Bob
Speaker 1: Rafelson began threatening to fire him if he didn't make
Speaker 1: weight by the time they begin filming in Birmingham, with
Speaker 1: his reason being that because of how petite sally Field was,
Speaker 1: it made Arnold look even bigger, which I said, suppose
Speaker 1: makes sense. He's about a foot tall than her because
Speaker 1: she's five to two. He's six too, and he already
Speaker 1: looks big compared to when you see him on screen,
Speaker 1: so I can imagine like that extra thirty pounds might
Speaker 1: have made him look like cartoonishly big, especially because like
Speaker 1: there's no way that extra thirty pounds was not like
Speaker 1: almost all muscle.
Speaker 3: Sure, I guess I just like Sally Field in this
Speaker 3: movie makes everyone look like a giant. So like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be mean, she just like she
Speaker 3: is she is, and she was insanely thin too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so she just makes everyone in this movie look giants.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, you know, I don't it doesn't I
Speaker 3: can't imagine it being that effective, but whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Schwarzenegger spends the winter of nineteen seventy four
Speaker 1: cutting weight, and he reaches the goal, but unfortunately, right
Speaker 1: before he leaves to fill in Alabama, his girlfriend Barbara
Speaker 1: breaks up with him, which he basically says, he stopped coming,
Speaker 1: but you know, still hurt. Not enough to cry, I
Speaker 1: would assumed, but still still hurt. That's what he told her.
Speaker 1: When but like he did, that's where he got that.
Speaker 1: He actually gave that scene to James Cameron. He wiped
Speaker 1: a tear from her from her eye and then said,
Speaker 1: I know now while you cry. Unfortunately it's something I
Speaker 1: can never do and then walked out already, And that's
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