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<v Speaker 1>Tape Deck Media. Hi folks, Aaron here with yet another

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<v Speaker 1>quick note before we get into it, So just a

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<v Speaker 1>heads up that we actually ended up recording this episode

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<v Speaker 1>in what seemed like pretty much forty seven different parts,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly because I kept finding more information about the film. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we normally wouldn't mention when we do that, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more noticeable this time around, especially about a

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<v Speaker 1>throw of the way through the episode, when all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden Erica joins us after Joe just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly vanishes under mysterious circumstances, possibly involving the Springfield Mystery spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and I also random will begin pronouncing the

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<v Speaker 1>director's name correctly around that same time too, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not as noteworthy as the whole person swap thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, So anyway, that's all I got, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get going and hope you enjoy the episode. See the.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another episode of See You at the Body, Richta.

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<v Speaker 2>I am one of your host Joseph beck Castro. Joining

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<v Speaker 2>me as always is Aaron Frescus Aldy and Christopher Chapman.

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<v Speaker 3>How do doody?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Hello do you two? Today we're gonna be covering

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<v Speaker 2>Arnold's nineteen seventy six weightlifting drama vehicle Stay Hungry. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into the movie summary and everything, we can

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<v Speaker 2>do what we usually do and go over some production

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<v Speaker 2>and trivia and other tidbits that Aaron has for us.

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, take it away.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric gotta love Aeron's tidbits.

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<v Speaker 2>Big old titties. That's short for tidbits.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, they're they're very uh anyway, Okay, where Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to start already, huh already, I may

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<v Speaker 1>just bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Rub it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Stupid, so stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Please keep.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about the screen on screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to give her audi it's a peak

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<v Speaker 2>behind the kimono.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's that's weird. That's how I do the episodes anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I want to kick things off with a

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<v Speaker 1>quick rundown of basic facts about the film, mostly because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably one of the rare Schwarzenegger movies

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<v Speaker 1>that not a lot of people have heard of, much

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<v Speaker 1>less seen. Like you you guys said you didn't watch it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No I haven't. I haven't watched it yet. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is like maybe one of two movies on the list

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<v Speaker 3>that I just had never heard of. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>this in the Villain that I just had.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too in some later stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, stop, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what did I just say?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tell if you're talking to the dog or

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<v Speaker 3>the mic to the microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>Are your wiener?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man? Okay? Sorry? So yeah, you guys didn't watch it?

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<v Speaker 3>Cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Correct? All right, it's cool. So anyway, Stay Hungry,

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<v Speaker 1>which I described to you guys in the pre watch

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<v Speaker 1>intro as a nineteen seventy eight comedy drama, is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen seventy six film directed by Bob Raffleson.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So this is now the second episode in a

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<v Speaker 1>row that have had to make corrections at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, which is just awesome, like like annoying

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<v Speaker 1>as hell, because it's usually some dumb little air that

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<v Speaker 1>I always end up feeling like a dufous forward like

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<v Speaker 1>not catching later, Like seriously, I have no idea how

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<v Speaker 1>I might mix those years up, but I even made

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<v Speaker 1>sure to double check before I recorded it that I

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<v Speaker 1>had the correct year, but then still somehow wrote down

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong year, like because when I heard it, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what the fuck? Anyway, just a dumb, careless mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also super frustrating because at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>our next episode is a movie summary, which sucks because

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<v Speaker 1>of course we're doing an episode that I don't write,

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<v Speaker 1>just as I'm on the verge of scoring my first

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<v Speaker 1>hat trick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I'm sure you'll fuck something up next episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry about it. Yeah, you're you're.

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<v Speaker 2>You're solid with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're very reliable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just I just screwed the recording, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess technically it's it's technically happened for two movies

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<v Speaker 1>in a row, so that that's tricks takes still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, And I suppose there's also the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that I screw up something during this episode, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's not likely because I've been like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>staying on it so far because of how stupid I was, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just like once I saw that, like right away,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, because

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<v Speaker 1>I grabbed the information that I had on the Kindergarten

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's not set in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just call it journalistic integrity. Realize you have a mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you are putting it out there and you want

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<v Speaker 4>to correct it, so exactly all right, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know it happens too art to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone makes mistakes. That's why pencils have erasers on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can stick them up your butt?

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<v Speaker 3>Why why?

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why? Why? Okay, it should have been so it makes

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<v Speaker 1>it easier to stick up you don't want the other

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<v Speaker 1>end anyway, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>The shape of that, Yeah, I was about to say,

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<v Speaker 3>technically the shape means the other side is more conducive

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<v Speaker 3>to sticking up there.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but you can poke your collin and then

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<v Speaker 2>then he got a hole.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what's going one of the side dregs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, let's get back to the quick facts. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I'm just gonna burn thro them real

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<v Speaker 1>quick to like get him out of the way. Cool, Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was saying, Stay Hungry is a nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seventh film directed by Bob Raffleman and stars Jeff Britches,

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<v Speaker 1>A two song I Miss You Wait No that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a son of a bitch. I got the year on again,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what takes along with this episode. You

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<v Speaker 1>know how long that joke took to ride Jesus juke? Anyway, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>one more time. Sorry, So Stay Hungry nineteen seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>comedy drama, directed by Bob Raffleson. And I'd say it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a like a bit of a stretch calling

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<v Speaker 1>it a comedy. You guys haven't watched yet, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>but like that's me saying that. Who also just wrote

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<v Speaker 1>like that horrible ass blank one a two joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't even get the joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the lines, yeah, which it's a what

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<v Speaker 1>is it? It's a night Member before Christmas?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah. One of the lines refers to Jack and

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<v Speaker 3>Sally from Nightmare Beforeast in that song.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah like Jack and Sally if you yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>can always find me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I have Halloween on Christmas exactly. Well wish this

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<v Speaker 2>night well never could.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been worse because I originally called her

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<v Speaker 1>Sally Fields Raphael, but the back because I asked, I

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<v Speaker 1>deleted asked Eric Erica was like, do you know Sally

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Raphael She's like no, I'm like, okay, well.

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<v Speaker 2>She I mean, granted, the people listening to this podcast, probably.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids that don't listen to this podcast, we never

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<v Speaker 1>get that reference.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time. I did work with A Sally, A

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse and a Raphael. It's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you only hang out with them when it's the

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<v Speaker 1>three of them? They're always trying to get that going

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<v Speaker 1>and then not show up. So they're all sitting.

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<v Speaker 4>There like, oh, it's only Sally and Jesse or.

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<v Speaker 1>No show up later, whether through there you're like Sally,

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<v Speaker 1>Josey Rufiel.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, who the fuck is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? So uh. Stay Hungry was written by Charles Gaines,

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<v Speaker 1>which he'd adapted from his nineteen seventy two novel of

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<v Speaker 1>the same name.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay hold on, Sorry to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 4>His name is Charles Gaines games Yes, and he wrote

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<v Speaker 4>a book of weightlifting Yes, Okay YEA.

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<v Speaker 1>Director Bob Raffleson is also credited as a writer on

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<v Speaker 1>the film. Raffleson also produced was a producer on the

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<v Speaker 1>movie along with his partner Harold Schneider, and then United

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<v Speaker 1>Artists took care of the distribution. So Stay Hungry stars

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bridges, Sally Field, Rgi Armstrong, who I recognized because

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it once. I recognized, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't look up he's anyway, And then Robert England did.

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<v Speaker 1>He let's say, says English English, okay, Joe, and he

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<v Speaker 1>that is right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool. Sorry. It's always it's always kind of hit

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<v Speaker 1>and miss with you, like sometimes you're like, oh hell yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean and he's famous enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fucking Freddy Krueger.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just not only was it written by Charles Gaines,

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<v Speaker 4>it's also starts Arnie Armstrong Strong Archie Armstrong and was

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<v Speaker 4>it said in England? But perchance it's like a shitty

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<v Speaker 4>sitcom situation?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, is there are there any like sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about your your name thing, like actors were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's obviously what's it I'm trying to think of, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Denzel Washington if he like plays like a white

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<v Speaker 2>House down or whatever like Washington d C. It's right there.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I'm talking about like you're like, uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about like how you the names of the

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<v Speaker 1>actors and stuff. Do you have any favorite character actors?

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<v Speaker 1>Is what I think I'm asking where you're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like I can't think of my character actor

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, gry old, but like famous. It's like like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to think that, Like I don't know, like a

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<v Speaker 3>Bruce Greenwood or some shit like that.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I don't even know that. I'm sure I recognized

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<v Speaker 1>him when I see him.

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<v Speaker 3>He plays the in a lot of stuff, the President.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, I know, I think I know you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about character actors. I'm trying to think of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like a Richard Kind is that name?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, that's a good one. He's in a buttla

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But how to use it in Joe Namath because if

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<v Speaker 4>he Dick Kind, which I probably have done now that

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<v Speaker 4>I say it out loud, I don't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>But uh well, I guess Stephen Root would probably be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just like I was curious if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, man, everything that guys and like Richard Kind,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like because I'm sorry, I was watching Omer's

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<v Speaker 1>in the building. Richard Kind is uh again, he's mad

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<v Speaker 1>about I don't know what you sure he's the voice

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<v Speaker 1>of He's the voice of the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Out he's the voice of the voice of imagining character.

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<v Speaker 1>The Marriage and Your Friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Uh, he was on Spin City, right, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cast Spin City, Spin Character Cast. Oh yeah, I know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Spin City starring Michael J. Pod. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, sorry, I thought that was going somewhere but

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<v Speaker 2>Lombard is the street here, the Windys.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby kidding gets about that. Oh, I know what I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna ask you. Sorry, I was just wondering what

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, I'm wondering, is is there like a like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Raindom fucking ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally random. That's that's what being a character actor is.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, yeah, okay, anyway, so, uh, only because I

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<v Speaker 1>Dorif you said you said you didn't know who that was? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he met the Waldorf Salad with his friend Wally?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? That was actually yeah, that's a busy game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you went.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know, but like for like horror villains, but

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<v Speaker 3>Like the Slashers. He's probably the only actor I would

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<v Speaker 3>Behind and some of the other people, but like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the only one who ever got famous as Robert

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<v Speaker 3>England I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I was trying to think of the guy from

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna read the short little plot summary that

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<v Speaker 1>That is what anyways if that's okay, that's just a

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<v Speaker 1>very basic okay, like it's like the little tiny plot.

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<v Speaker 1>So the story centers on a young scion from Birmingham, Alabama.

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<v Speaker 3>He already lost me. What the fuck does sion me?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's kind of hard. No, it's a car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a car, so yes, it's a young sign, but

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<v Speaker 2>It's in nineteen seventy six y.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I almost combined the description from Ornold Schwarzenegger and

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<v Speaker 1>I know what a young Sign is after reading like Schwartzenegger's,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's a he inherited a bunch of money, oh

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<v Speaker 1>okay from his parents or whatever, got it. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what a scion is. I don't know sure I should

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<v Speaker 1>put a going to Wikipedia and rnnex to sign put

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<v Speaker 1>reference needed anyway, So, young rich guy who gets involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a shady real estate deal. In order to close

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<v Speaker 1>the deal, he needs to buy a gym, sorry it

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<v Speaker 1>says a gym building, but a gym to complete a

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<v Speaker 1>multi parcel lot. He becomes romantically interested in the gym's

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<v Speaker 1>receptionist and is drawn to the care for lifestyle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Austrian bodybuilder Joe Santo, who is training for a

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Universe competition and is oddly enough played by Sally Field,

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<v Speaker 1>which was like a casting switcheroo there. That last part

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<v Speaker 1>was me.

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously, man in the seventies, they would make a

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I was like. This reminded me and

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<v Speaker 1>there's something else later but like this reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>what we were talking about, and like because I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the The Kindergarten Cop one when Dave was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about every which way about loose. Yeah, yeah, and just

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I mean, like the seventies, I think

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<v Speaker 4>what was it, Kramer Versus Kramer was like the number

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<v Speaker 4>one movie of that year or something, and it's like about.

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<v Speaker 1>A next more serious movie.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's about like a family going through divorce and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying it was fucking weird. Like the seventies

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<v Speaker 4>were a weird time for movies anyways, because that was

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<v Speaker 4>like the number one movie of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah really, yeah, yeah, it was huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that when Tutsie came out?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that was the eighties?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes sense. You know they're not gonna let

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Williams or sorry, Robes not can get away. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>often get away dressing like a dame because they'd call

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<v Speaker 1>it a dame. It's dressing like a dame. In the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'd call it a skirt. Yeah, those skirt

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<v Speaker 1>skirts probaly little closer. Okay, but yeah, now that we

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<v Speaker 1>have the quick facts out of the way, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>off by finding out how Schwarzenegger became involved in the film. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And in order to do that, we need to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the early seventies when Arnold met two fellas

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<v Speaker 1>who would have a pretty big impact on his career,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were George Butler and Stay Hungry writer Charles Gaines.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, like ninety five percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>info I found for this episode comes from three different books,

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<v Speaker 1>which are obviously Arnold's twenty twelve biography Total Recall, Auto Biography,

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<v Speaker 1>Total Recall, Sorry, Sally Fields eighteen autobiography titled in Pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the last one was a nineteen ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>book by Peter biss Biskind titled Easy Writer, Raging Bulls. Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Double colon? Is that what those are called?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>The two the two cold, the two the two colon things?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a semi colon? Obviously?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it just a what is just a colon? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The two dots? Okay, see I'm thinking yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>two dots is just a colon anyway, Easy Writer, Raging

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<v Speaker 1>Bulls colon? How how how the sex drugs and rock

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<v Speaker 1>and roll generations saved Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron's having a lot of trouble because there's a pencil

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<v Speaker 3>stuck in his colon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, put the erasers saying first it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, it was very yes exactly. It helps me

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<v Speaker 1>stay awake because of the deprivation. You can see they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the sleeper deprivation or you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like Lily erased my poop.

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<v Speaker 3>What wanting to find out?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? And that book is fucking insane. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>finish it yet, and I don't think I am. But

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<v Speaker 1>I went in there to get stuff. Anyway. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that later, but okay, so anyway, okay, So, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Arnold in his book, he met George Butler and

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Gaines in the fall of nineteen seventy two when

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<v Speaker 1>Butler and Gaines were covering the Mister Universe contest for

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<v Speaker 1>Life magazine. Butler was a photographer and Gaines was a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, these two gentlemen were also eventually responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for Pumping Iron, which, for anyone not familiar with it,

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<v Speaker 1>is basically a behind the scenes look at the world

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<v Speaker 1>of competitive body building. Butler and Gaines co authored the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four best selling book, and then they co

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<v Speaker 1>produced the nineteen seventy seven quote unquote documentary but more

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<v Speaker 1>of like a docudrama, which George Butler also co directed.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, just for people listening, we did record

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<v Speaker 1>an episode like three years ago covering the that nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy Pumping Iron the nineteen seventy seven document documentary, but

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<v Speaker 1>we just haven't released the majority of it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>make up a reason why, but honestly, it's mostly because

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<v Speaker 1>I completely forgot about it until I started writing this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm only mentioning the fact that we already covered

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<v Speaker 1>it as a reason for why we're going to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of slide past it today, and because we'll eventually get

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<v Speaker 1>through it whenever we finally like release that episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that was before we had Chris on the show,

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<v Speaker 4>so we got to like, yeah, crazy editing, that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he needs like make comments every now and

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes and listen, listens to it and then

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<v Speaker 1>like makes comments and you know, laughing, Yeah, exactly. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the Joe for that episode. So anyhow, so George Butler,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Gaines, who was going to use a nickname for

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<v Speaker 1>like I did with the Carralco Boys. But then the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing I could think of was like a com

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<v Speaker 1>like combining their names together. And I didn't think called

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<v Speaker 1>him but Chuck for the rest of the episode super appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're just gonna call Gaines. Yeah, yeah, exactly, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, they don't have a production company anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. The first thing that button mine was

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<v Speaker 1>a butt Chuck Butler, Butler and Charles, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, no, I gotta be We're gonna be respectful anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So Butler and Gaines met Arnold in the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, with Arnold mentioning his in his book

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<v Speaker 1>that Chuck Gaines was quite not was Butler and Gaines

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<v Speaker 1>met Arnold in the fall of nineteen seventy two, with

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold mentioning in his book that Charles Gaines, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's throwing me off, just calling him Chuck, was very

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<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable when it came to bodybuilding and had recently had

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<v Speaker 1>recently had a novel published titled Stay Hungary, which Schwarzenegger

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<v Speaker 1>said was the bestseller. And I probably should have looked

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<v Speaker 1>up the book sales number, but we's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>take his word for it, like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A bestseller among all my bodybuilding friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So anyway, Yeah, so Arnold would eventually introduce

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<v Speaker 1>Butler and Gains to Joe Wheer, who, along with his

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<v Speaker 1>brother Ben, were basically the fathers of bodybuilding. Yeah. They

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<v Speaker 1>co founded the International Federation of Bodybuilders, which, according to Wikipedia,

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<v Speaker 1>is the governing body for the sport of Sorry, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it says, the governing body for the sport

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<v Speaker 1>of bodybuilding that oversees most of the major events and competitions.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just gotta be like like one fucking finance

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<v Speaker 1>governing body like that. It's got to be, man, It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the Arnold Schwarzenegger of governing bodies right there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Arnold Schwarzenegger of governing Okay, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The Franco Colombo of governing bodies right there.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, In addition to that, Joe Eater also created Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Eater was also the creator of the Mister and

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00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Missus Olympia contests, as well as publishing a bunch of

423
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<v Speaker 1>the major fitness magazines, including Muscling, Fitness, Men's Fitness, and Shape,

424
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<v Speaker 1>which is like a number one women's fitness magazine. That

425
00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:03.759
<v Speaker 1>was the only one that I sort of heard of.

426
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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, I know, I feel I know

427
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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of that.

428
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<v Speaker 3>I mean Men's Fitness. I definitely no, I've heard feel.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Like Muscle and Fitness and Men's Fitness. But I was like,

430
00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:11.519
<v Speaker 1>I know, I've heard of Shape. Once I clicked and

431
00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh yeah, Shape. There was a couple

432
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<v Speaker 1>more than they mentioned, but they're they're not around anymore,

433
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<v Speaker 1>so it's okay. And then most importantly, well at least

434
00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess for us, is that Weeder and his brother

435
00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.880
<v Speaker 1>are the ones responsible for bringing Arnold first to America,

436
00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.319
<v Speaker 1>specifically for a Mister Universe competition, which he did not

437
00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.839
<v Speaker 1>end up winning. So he was actually planning on like

438
00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>originally planning on going just going back home to Europe

439
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.480
<v Speaker 1>after the competition was over, but instead Arnold says that

440
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<v Speaker 1>Weeder quote this is from the book, he quote, offered

441
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<v Speaker 1>to pay my way to California and get me an apartment,

442
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<v Speaker 1>a car, and living expenses so that I could concentrate

443
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<v Speaker 1>on training for an entire year. By the time the

444
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<v Speaker 1>same competitions came around again in the next fall, I'd

445
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<v Speaker 1>have another shot. Meanwhile, his magazines would report on my

446
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<v Speaker 1>training and would supply translator so I could write about

447
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<v Speaker 1>my programs and express my ideas unquote. Which first off,

448
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.160
<v Speaker 1>it definitely sounds like Joey to recognized that Schwarzenegger's potential

449
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:03.920
<v Speaker 1>because damn.

450
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:08.680
<v Speaker 3>He hooked him up, Like, yeah, that is a lot, Yeah.

451
00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Basically paying for him for a year. And I have

452
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<v Speaker 1>a feeling that Arnold would have like he I think

453
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<v Speaker 1>he still would have made it to America eventually, because

454
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<v Speaker 1>that was, like, from what he says in the book,

455
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that was one of his major goals at the time,

456
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<v Speaker 1>and he's he's just driven hiss hell when he's like

457
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.720
<v Speaker 1>sets out to do something. Yeah, but it would have

458
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<v Speaker 1>made it way more challenging of an adjustment without like

459
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<v Speaker 1>that happening.

460
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a lot of money to shell out for

461
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<v Speaker 3>an entire year.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Exactly because I'm not sure how like, like moving to

463
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<v Speaker 1>a new country is already tough enough, but there was

464
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:38.519
<v Speaker 1>also the language barrier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially at that time. Yeah,

465
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<v Speaker 1>and in his case, and I know that we're pretty

466
00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're usually a pretty like patient, tolerant bunch

467
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<v Speaker 1>over here in the US, especially when it comes to

468
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 1>non English speaking immigrants, but still like, yeah, that language

469
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:52.880
<v Speaker 1>barrier would have been do you get like try to

470
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<v Speaker 1>find a job because not having to worry about that,

471
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<v Speaker 1>along with removing the stress of like immediately neing to

472
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<v Speaker 1>needing to find a job where that's not an issue

473
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<v Speaker 1>the language, and then basically just being able to train

474
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<v Speaker 1>all day, which he was able to do with like

475
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Weeder helped him do, is just like a huge fucking

476
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<v Speaker 1>advantage when you get to America. Not only for like

477
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<v Speaker 1>going there as like a non English speaking immigrant, but

478
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<v Speaker 1>even if he would have done it on his own

479
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:19.079
<v Speaker 1>and came there, he still wouldn't have been able to

480
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<v Speaker 1>work out as much as he was able to with

481
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this situation because he would have to work. And I

482
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<v Speaker 1>guess he was basically like, this is like basically turns

483
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<v Speaker 1>into his.

484
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<v Speaker 3>Job then yeah, right sort of Yeah essentially yeah, if

485
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.559
<v Speaker 3>he's getting yeah, if he's getting paid to do it, yeah,

486
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:35.480
<v Speaker 3>or it's.

487
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Like his he's like in a bodybuilding college. Basically that's

488
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<v Speaker 1>basically what that is like for everything.

489
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway, Sorry, so that's a little sidetrack just to

491
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<v Speaker 1>explaining who Joe Eater was. I realized we hadn't talked

492
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>about him yet. But getting back to where we were, so,

493
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<v Speaker 1>Arnold introduces George Butler and Charles Gaines to Joe Eater,

494
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.599
<v Speaker 1>and this ends up being an important introduction and is

495
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.720
<v Speaker 1>actually when I realized that I'll probably end up bugging

496
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>you guys eventually about redoing the production part of the

497
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Pumping Iron episode because I didn't look at my notes,

498
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm almost positive that I didn't mention that along

499
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 1>with I'm sure much more stuff. Yeah, yeah, so episodes

500
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.920
<v Speaker 1>were different then, yes, so we'll most likely discuss it

501
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in more detail maybe later probably, But basically, at the time,

502
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the general public wasn't very familiar with both the sport

503
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>as well as bodybuilding just in general, which I think

504
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we did mention that. But yeah, so that introduction with

505
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Weader meeting with Charles Gaines and George Butler, that introduction

506
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two ended up being the beginning of bodybuilding

507
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 1>becoming more mainstream, with which Arnold definitely benefited from in

508
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 1>at least a few ways, the first obvious one being

509
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.559
<v Speaker 1>the exposure from both versions of Pumping Iron, which we'll

510
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<v Speaker 1>get into on maybe a different episode eventually. I don't know,

511
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<v Speaker 1>but for this episode, we're going to focus on how

512
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<v Speaker 1>he benefited from his relationship with Charles Gaines, who, along

513
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<v Speaker 1>with George Butler, Arnold became friendly with because Gaines and

514
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Butler doing research for the Pumping Iron book, which I

515
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.640
<v Speaker 1>believe they kind of did by like they were at

516
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 1>golds Gym. They're just gathering material by Like basically he

517
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of makes a scene in the book like they

518
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.880
<v Speaker 1>were around all the time because they were researching for

519
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>their books. I'm sure they were asking questions, just becoming

520
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.880
<v Speaker 1>friendly with the bodybuilders seeing there, like watching their brookout

521
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>routine and everything like that. But that might not be

522
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:21.160
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent correct.

523
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so he.

524
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<v Speaker 1>Got to know him through that, and he's a very

525
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>personal fellow. So I don't know, it seems like he's

526
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>one of those people that makes friends very easily. Yeah,

527
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>these kind of people that hat Don't get me wrong,

528
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I love them, but a little too much to where

529
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they're like, you're coming all strong there, but I'm.

530
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 3>Like, WHOA, You're supposed to be nice?

531
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.519
<v Speaker 1>What happened to us? I'm sorry, Like this is those

532
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:56.599
<v Speaker 1>people that I like anyway anyway, Okay, So Arnold mentions

533
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 1>that Charles Gaines is actually the one who introduced him

534
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.079
<v Speaker 1>director Bob Raffleson. Gaines had sold the rights to Stay

535
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Hungry to Bob Raffleson, and then Gaines and Butler started

536
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>pushing for Raffleson to cast Schwarzenegger for the role of

537
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>bodybuilder Joe Santo in the film. So at this time,

538
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Bob Rafflelson was already a well known director and producer,

539
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.519
<v Speaker 1>having started a production company with his fellow producer Bert

540
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Schneider in nineteen sixty five that they called they named

541
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Raybert Productions, which was later renamed BBS Productions. Have you

542
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 1>guys ever heard of Bob Rafflelson by the way, No, okay,

543
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 1>never nop okay.

544
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 3>And I know he made other movies, like just from

545
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 3>doing like just randomly seeing yeah stuff while I was

546
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 3>looking stuff up. But I don't think I've seen a

547
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:45.480
<v Speaker 3>single one.

548
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Of his movies. Okay, just curious interesting fact slash, I guess.

549
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<v Speaker 1>Quick side note. But one of the first things they

550
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.559
<v Speaker 1>did after forming the company was develop a television show

551
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>about a pop rock band that Bob Raffleson had already

552
00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 1>tried selling to two different studios in nineteen sixty two,

553
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 1>but turned down.

554
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Was it the Monkeys or are you about to tell us?

555
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you, but a couple of movies had come

556
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 1>out since then, starring some band from England called the

557
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>U b Atlas Stupid. Anyway, Raffleson and Schneider had no

558
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>problem selling the show after that happened, and Chris Guess

559
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>would show it was the Monkeys obviously got it?

560
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so uh sorry, So they were trying to sell

561
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 3>that show before the Beatles got popular.

562
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, raf Bob Raffleson, the director of Eventually a director

563
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 1>of Stay Hungary pitched that idea or I wanted to

564
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 1>develop the idea with two different production companies in nineteen

565
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 1>sixty two. And I think the Beatles are around then,

566
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>right too, but they weren't like the Beatles, like like

567
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>like Beatlemania and all that hadn't happened yet, which I

568
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 1>did like a super quick look at, just to double

569
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 1>check the years.

570
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh is Raffleson American? Do you know? Yes? Oh?

571
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think he's from uh, New England and yeah,

572
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 1>which is easier to say in the New York. I

573
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.039
<v Speaker 1>can't remember it's Connecticut, New York. I don't know anyway.

574
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so the Director of State Hungary also created

575
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the at first fictional band and then eventual real band,

576
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the Monkeys, And I've only heard a little bit of

577
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>their music, but I actually liked it so much that

578
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I started referring to the Beatles as the British Monkeys

579
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.319
<v Speaker 1>because I'm assuming that it's usually the other way around,

580
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>but I don't really know, probably like have you have

581
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you guys heard any of their music, the Monkeys, Like.

582
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure I've heard a song or two Sleepy Jean,

583
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's right, Yeah, I know that song. I

584
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 3>don't know.

585
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Or cheer of Sleepy Jeane? What can it mean to

586
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>uh daydream believe in?

587
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 1>And oh yeah, is it that daydream Believer song?

588
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Is? Yeah, it's the dam Believer song.

589
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I know that song. Then there's one more

590
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that I I saw that I don't remember right now

591
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>with that was like a big hit. But I know

592
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the only songs I know is they come

593
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>out with later when they started like trying to be

594
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>like experimental and obviously when they started taking drugs or

595
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and it's good, it's just doesn't sound

596
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.759
<v Speaker 1>like the Monkeys, which I don't know what the monkeys

597
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>sound like. So, but anyway, so you guys have just

598
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>heard like the like the hits.

599
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 3>Then essentially yeah, like the theme songs of the TV

600
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 3>show and not much else.

601
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I was just curious if they're sketchy song. Yeah.

602
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I should have probably looked up who wrote it. I

603
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but they Yeah. So he created The Monkeys,

604
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>and the success of both The Monkey's TV Show and

605
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the Records meant that Raffleson and Schneider gained not just fame,

606
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 1>but enough money to start producing their own films. The

607
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 1>first of which, titled Head, also starred the Monkeys and

608
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 1>was Bob Raffleson's directorial debut in film. He'd already directed

609
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 1>an episode or two of The Monkeys, some episodes of

610
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.119
<v Speaker 1>The Monkeys. I didn't look at the many yeah.

611
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Did Was it a Monkey's movie?

612
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 5>Like?

613
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Was it starring the monkeys as the monkeys or just

614
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 3>starring those four dudes as other people?

615
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I see? I was like, they're not gonna ask you

616
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>questions about this. I don't need to look it up. No,

617
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>from what I read, because I was reading an interview

618
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 1>about it, like with him, it's I know this one

619
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be like trippy. Okay, let's see the

620
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>monkeys frolic their way through a series of musical set

621
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 1>pieces and vignettes containing surreal humor and anti establishment social commentary.

622
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Got it.

623
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>So it sounds just like a bite off of Hard

624
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Day's Night.

625
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>You see, I've never seen those movies either. How are

626
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>those movies any good?

627
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Hard Day's Night is it's one's enjoyable health.

628
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 1>What are they about?

629
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 3>Uh fucking being a drugged out hippie.

630
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 2>No, this is before they were drugged out hippies.

631
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<v Speaker 4>That one is Yellow Submarine, And okay, if you're a

632
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<v Speaker 4>drugged out hippie, movie's pretty awesome, then it sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just a bunch of visuals that one started?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, it's like an animated movie. But Hard Day's Night,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. They're like on a train and then

636
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>they're playing music and Paul's Grandpa's there, and then people

637
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<v Speaker 2>are chasing them and they're then they're gonna go play

638
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<v Speaker 2>a show. I don't think there's really a plot.

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00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 3>They think it sounds like a dreams just a dream

640
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Joe had.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, is it is real?

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<v Speaker 3>Grandpa?

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<v Speaker 1>That was my question at all, that it.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't even mean George Harrison just a guy Joe, a

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<v Speaker 3>guy named Georgie knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so there's no it's just because the monkeys were Sorry,

647
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 1>the Beatles were popular, and they're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah them put them in a movie. No, but that

649
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>one's good. I actually enjoy that movie in what way?

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00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 2>It's fun and funny okay, and then it's got good music.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like the comedy holds up and British people

652
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 4>usually aren't funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So famously, wait, have we checked his stats? How are

654
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<v Speaker 2>you looking in the UK?

655
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 1>I haven't looked at it recently, but okay, well.

656
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<v Speaker 3>Who gives a shit about those British monkeys?

657
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry when you said it earlier it sounded like a slur,

659
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<v Speaker 3>so I thought I'd use it.

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00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, we might gain some fans from Ireland for.

661
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Uh new anti British slur we just made up exactly.

662
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<v Speaker 2>Hell has a plot.

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<v Speaker 4>Ringo has like a ring that some evil and they

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<v Speaker 4>go skiing and stuff. That one's that one's not not

665
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<v Speaker 4>that good, that one's in color, though.

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<v Speaker 3>As evidence by the fact that they just made the

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00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 3>plot like the literally the first thing that came to

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00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 3>their mind. Yeah, well, Ringo has a ring. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's got a special ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so are they actually playing the music or is

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<v Speaker 1>it or is it just like background? Like all of

672
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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the song starts playing.

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<v Speaker 4>Both, So I think when they're doing Can't Buy Me Love,

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<v Speaker 4>they're like running around in the field or some ship.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I should have known better, like

676
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 4>they'd play well on the train and then help they

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00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 4>play like different stuff. So I guess it just really depends.

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<v Speaker 1>Were those the only three movies?

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00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 4>No, there's Magical Mystery Tour, which I still have never seen,

680
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<v Speaker 4>and then let It Be, But that's more of a documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's not funn isn't that what around the time

682
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>they break up?

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00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Was that the one that just came out a

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<v Speaker 3>few years ago? Jackson like the Pete Yeah exactly, Okay,

685
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 3>got it. I tried watching that. I got through the

686
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 3>first half and then couldn't get through the second half.

687
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is boring as shit. I don't

688
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 3>care about the Beatles.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't there a different documentary on? That was Disney Plus?

690
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<v Speaker 5>Right?

691
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 3>That was Disney Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't there a different one, like an older one? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is that the only one? Did let it be no

694
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be really good or is that

695
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the one that was supposed to be really.

696
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<v Speaker 2>Good, that's the one that's supposed to be good as

697
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Peter Jackson won because I mean they had like a

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<v Speaker 2>shitload of footage and then cut it down into a movie.

699
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Let it be like came out in nineteen seventy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it was kind of like you couldn't find

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<v Speaker 2>it anywhere. Yeah, watch it or anything. And then Peter

702
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Jackson got ahold of it and remastered it and edited

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<v Speaker 2>it down to five hours or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, that was the other problem. It was super

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<v Speaker 3>fucking love.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chris is just an uncultured swine then, yeah, pretty much.

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00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm gonna say absolutely.

708
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I haven't even tried to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in a British monkey.

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00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Anyway, So yeah, that was Bob Raffleson's directorial debut

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<v Speaker 1>for a movie. Anyway. After that they produced some pretty

712
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 1>big hits, including the nineteen sixty nine Roads I guess

713
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>slash drug Trip film, Easy Writer Throwing Peter Fonda and

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Hopper, which I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>Say I mean that one, I've at least like heard

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00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 3>of yeah, and it sounds like a famous movie. No,

717
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 3>I've never seen it.

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00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Joe, No, No, I know of it, but yeah, Hopper

719
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 1>was also the director of that movie. And there's some

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00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty crazy stories about the making of that movie in

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00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 1>that like Easy Writers Raging Bulls book that I mentioned

722
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the episode, most of them involving

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00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 1>a drugged up Dennis Opper and I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>share one with you guys.

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00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 3>Books.

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00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 1>It's super quick, so, uh, they're making Easy Writer and

727
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Hoppers on I don't know probably every all of

728
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the drugs that he's able.

729
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 3>To bare minimum six different kinds of drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>He's yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where that question came.

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<v Speaker 1>From, which I realized before reading this book that I

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<v Speaker 1>always kind of knew that he was. Oh yeah, Dennis

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<v Speaker 1>Hopper is like like crazy, like whatever. But that was

735
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<v Speaker 1>like nine nineties. Dennis Opera was like, oh, he's kind

736
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>of cooky. I didn't know that nineteen was.

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00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Calmed down and you didn't do as many drugs anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that nineteen seventies Dennis Hopper was like,

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00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>you're like, hold shit, that guy's he said, yeah, that

740
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 1>guy's gonna murder somebody, yeah, which is brings us to

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00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the story. Okay, so he busts in on I think

742
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<v Speaker 1>Peter Fonda. This is when they're making a easy writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Fonda is having dinner with Ripped Torn. You know

744
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>both those guys are right, yeah, okay, And it says

745
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the book says, Hopper burst in upon the revelers, who

746
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 1>are all drinking wine and having a fine time of it,

747
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and shouted, what the fuck is happening, Peter, weren't you

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00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 1>guys writing? Having gotten their attention, he continued, things are

749
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.280
<v Speaker 1>so rough out there, I couldn't even stop. In Texas,

750
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they're cutting dude's hair with rusty raisers. Rip Torn, who

751
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 1>hailed from Texas, recalls he tried to calm Hopper down, saying, ah,

752
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>take it. I can't do a riped Torn.

753
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Take it. That's pretty close. Keep doing that.

754
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Not everyone from Texas is an a hole, it says.

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00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And he stood up, extending his hand, but Hopper betted

756
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>it away, pushed him, says something like sit down, you motherfucker.

757
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Then says to Horn, Hopper grabbed a steak knife off

758
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the table and threatened him with it, placing the point

759
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>between his eyes. And about five inches away. Torn, who

760
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 1>had been a military policeman in the army, just armed Hopper.

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to say, ripped Horn's kind of a

762
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 3>crazy motherfucker too, isn't for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like some other story like when I can't remember

764
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>what movie it was, where he like attacks there even

765
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>on film, you can watch it on YouTube. He attacks

766
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 1>a director with that. He comes at him with the hammer,

767
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, like a little it wasn't like I mean,

768
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>it's still a hammer, but it was like a smaller

769
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 1>like a ball peen hammer, yeah, something like that, but

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00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 1>it is a fucking hammer still, and the guy like

771
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 1>gets him in, Like I think he was obviously on something,

772
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>but I think he was drunk, so we like the

773
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>guy was able to get him and like get it.

774
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>But like you can hear women in the back because

775
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I watched the video because I was reading an article

776
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Speaker 1>about it, and you can hear women in the backgrounds.

777
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Like oh my god, like oh shit.

778
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 1>But then you know nothing's gonna happen to them, so

779
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>it's okay to watch. I don't know anyway, So yeah, Torn,

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00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>who had been a military policeman and in the army,

781
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 1>disarmed Hopper, reversing the knife and putting it on his chest.

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00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>According to writer Don Carpenter, who was also there, Hopper

783
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 1>jump backwards, bumping into Fonda, knocking him down. Hopper exclaimed,

784
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I've got a buck knife. You want to have a

785
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<v Speaker 1>knife fight.

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00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 3>He just took your knife. Man, your knife. He didn't

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00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 3>want to have a knife fight. You wanted to have

788
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.079
<v Speaker 3>a knife fight.

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00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>He forgot already. Come on, Torn, Torn replied, I'll wait

790
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>for you in the street. Bring your guns, bring your knives,

791
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 1>bring your pals, and we'll find out in about three

792
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>seconds who the punk is. Then he walked outside.

793
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, that was a crazy first day of shooting.

794
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 1>And Torn said, he said, I knew it. I knew

795
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>he had a buck knife, but I considered what would

796
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 1>happen if he did have a gun. So I stood

797
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 1>between two cars with a trash can lid. I was

798
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>going to sail at him and run like hell. But

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<v Speaker 1>he never came out. What Yep, that's what happened. So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>once rip Torn called him on his shit and went

801
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>outside and like, fuck you, let's go out and fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, Denis opers like that guy's crazy. I'm going

803
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:15.159
<v Speaker 1>out there.

804
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 3>That guy's crazy. And he knows how to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, Ripturn was supposed to be on his

806
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<v Speaker 1>Easy Writer, but he didn't end up doing it because

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<v Speaker 1>of other commitments.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder why. Yeah, anyway, so he made an easy

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<v Speaker 3>writer and then what else?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was easy writer. So anyway, the last film

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<v Speaker 1>that they produced as Raybert Productions was called Five Easy Pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>which Bob Raffleson directed and starred Jack Nicholson in what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure was the role that made him famous.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I know he was an easy writer, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this movie had a bit more impact

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<v Speaker 1>on his career, like, career wise, because he was the

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<v Speaker 1>lead character. And I could be one hundred percent wrong

818
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 1>about that because I'm not I've never seen an easy writer,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know how much how much actual screen

820
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<v Speaker 1>time he had. But anyway, have you ever seen Five

821
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<v Speaker 1>Ez Pieces?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, okay, So I watched it the other day

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm pretty sure it's Bob Raffleson's most successful film,

825
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<v Speaker 1>both critically and financially. And I only say pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not one hundred percent positive if it was

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<v Speaker 1>his highest grossing film, but I definitely know that it

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<v Speaker 1>was his highest rated like critic like on Rotten Tomatoes basically,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, anyway, So, Bob Raffleson also has a story

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<v Speaker 1>credit on Five EZ Pieces, with IMDb crediting Carol Eastman

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<v Speaker 1>as the screenwriter, and according to the Easy Writer Raging

832
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<v Speaker 1>Bulls book, Eastman wrote the screenplay based on some ideas

833
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<v Speaker 1>that Raffleson gave her. The book then claims that Raffleson

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<v Speaker 1>made script changes and then went ahead and gave himself

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<v Speaker 1>a story like a co story credit, which Carol Eastman

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<v Speaker 1>was not very happy about. And I'm not one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent sure if that's true or not, because a lot

838
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<v Speaker 1>of the people that the book talks about denounced some

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<v Speaker 1>of the stories for being untrue when it was released,

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<v Speaker 1>even though some of those people were interviewed by the

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<v Speaker 1>author for the book, like they it would be stuff

842
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 1>like he took what I said out of context. I'm like,

843
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you said that this person did a bunch of blow

844
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and then did this. I'm like, what which part did

845
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.400
<v Speaker 1>do you he take out a context? Because like I

846
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 1>get that, like if something, but like all of it really,

847
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>like you're quoted throughout the whole fucking book. So I'm

848
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Okay. Once I read that, I was like, okay,

849
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 1>well take this with the allegedly, but it's a really

850
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 1>good book because you're like that that's what the Dennis

851
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Opper think came from. And like I said before, it's

852
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>just nineteen seventies Hollywood and craziness because the Hayes Code

853
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>that just ended recently ish, which you guys know what

854
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that is.

855
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 3>It was like the super strict rules about what could

856
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 3>be in movies.

857
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, it was got which got put in place

858
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 1>in like thirties, twenties or thirties or something like that.

859
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Stuff kind of starts changing in this like the early

860
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 1>seventies with the type of movies that start coming out

861
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 1>with like all of a sudden, you get all this.

862
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.679
<v Speaker 3>Ship like crime movies and ship.

863
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you get the fucking potato in a hat

864
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman likes with it's just a funny picture of me,

865
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:21.280
<v Speaker 1>looks like a potato in ahead. What's called for the

866
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Chase movie? I can't remember the fucking.

867
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Movie Italian Job.

868
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's a not the sting.

869
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 1>No, the French connection, the French connection. Yeah, yeah, he's

870
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 1>got those that pork by hat on him.

871
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 3>Potato in a head.

872
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anyway, but yeah, so even Raffleson's ex wife, Toby,

873
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 1>who is five Easy Pieces, the film's production designer, said

874
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 1>in the book that the basic premise of the movie

875
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:56.119
<v Speaker 1>was his idea. So I don't know, yeah, moving on.

876
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Five Ez Pieces ends up being success upon its release,

877
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 1>which the rabert Fellas follow up with another hit, the

878
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one coming of age film The Last Picture Show,

879
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 1>which was nominated for eight Oscars in one two and

880
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 1>made Bert Schneider and Bob Raffleson like a couple of

881
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood's hottest producers. Pretty much. They produce a few more

882
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>films over the next years that were gonna skim pass

883
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know, I was running out of time

884
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and they were whatever.

885
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:23.000
<v Speaker 3>No on them.

886
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch him. They were The King of Marvin

887
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Gardens in nineteen seventy two, which Raffleson directed and once

888
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.079
<v Speaker 1>again starred Jack Nicholson.

889
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.880
<v Speaker 3>That's the Monopoly Man, I think.

890
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 1>I I'm not sure, so maybe it's like, I don't know,

891
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like a gritty movie made in the monopoly world,

892
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>which I'm never gonna watch it now. I'm just gonna

893
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>assume that's what it is.

894
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

895
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyways, So then a film after that called The

896
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Mother and the Whore nineteen seventy three, which I hadn't

897
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 1>no idea what that's about, but it sounds like a

898
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 1>fun time. Yeah, I didn't look any of these up.

899
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 1>And then following that up with the nineteen seventy four

900
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 1>documentary about the Vinum more titled Hearts and Minds that

901
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty much catches us up to Bob Rafflson meeting Arnold Schwarzenegger.

902
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Apologies about the long into for Raffleson. I wanted to

903
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 1>give you guys an idea of how big a name

904
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Bob Raffleson was at the time, because I, like I said,

905
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I definitely had no idea before researching this, and like

906
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.559
<v Speaker 1>acclaim producer on top of that, yeah, which according to

907
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that book was partly because they didn't interfere. They usually

908
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 1>would try not to interfere with the movies they were producing,

909
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 1>like giving the directors pretty much creative freedom that usually

910
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 1>ended up paying off.

911
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

912
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So Arnold Schwarzenegger meets Bob Raffleson, who isn't

913
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>completely sold on Arnold yet for the role of Joe Santo,

914
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>but tells him that if he does end up in

915
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the movie, it's going to be a life changer for him.

916
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 1>He's like, using like a five easy piece what five

917
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.079
<v Speaker 1>easy pieces did for Jack Nicholson as an example, and

918
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Arnold's like, oh my god, I can't believe it. Like

919
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>in the book, He's like I had thousand eyes and

920
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.119
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. So this is when Arnold first began

921
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:03.239
<v Speaker 1>hanging out with celebrities like he like name drops Jack

922
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Nicholson and Warren Baty at this point, who'd invite he says,

923
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>would invite some like bodybuilders to their parties.

924
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Because this was Sorry, just so I have the timeline straight.

925
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.119
<v Speaker 3>This is definitely post Pumping Iron, right, No, this is before.

926
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>This is before yeah, this is before the movie came out.

927
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 1>The book hadn't even come out yet, so okay, yeah,

928
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 1>so the book was coming out with this was like

929
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>seventy four soon like within the year.

930
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 3>Got but okay.

931
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 1>He also he mentions that Hollywood was starting to change,

932
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like because I think I mentioned this in the in

933
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the Pumping Iron episode that everyone's listened to, But Hollywood

934
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>was starting to change, and because at the time, the

935
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>action star was a potato and a hat.

936
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 6>So like people like sure, sure, like Cline Eastwoinds like thinner,

937
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:56.920
<v Speaker 6>like yeah.

938
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And Jack Nicholson and like yeah yeah yeah, well like

939
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 3>not that he did about yeah, but it was like

940
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 3>that was your leading man.

941
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he said that celebrities started to work out,

942
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>finally started to work out, but he also mentions that

943
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>they would work out, but then they would kind of

944
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 1>hide it. They wanted people to think that that was natural.

945
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the celebrities would invite the bodybuilders over. And

946
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.760
<v Speaker 1>then he also mentions how that like a couple of

947
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 1>times that they would they came to his apartment and

948
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>they'd be hanging out outside having a barbecue. He's like,

949
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 1>which really tripped people out. But people would walk by

950
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.239
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, wait, shit, is that Jack Nicholson. By

951
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the way, he also had a girlfriend at the time

952
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>named Barbara Outland, who I believe he'd been dating for

953
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.480
<v Speaker 1>five years at this point, since nineteen sixty nine. So

954
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>he mentions in the book that she wanted to settle

955
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>down and get married and for him to eventually like

956
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.599
<v Speaker 1>open up a health store, So she wasn't super happy

957
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 1>about his possible venture into Hollywood. Yeah, I have a

958
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 1>good feeling about them. So anyway, so Arnold doesn't get

959
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a straight answer for from Raffleson about the role. So

960
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, he and Franco Colombo decide to host

961
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 1>a bodybuilding tournament, specifically the nineteen seventy four Mister International Competition.

962
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.280
<v Speaker 1>They hire a publicist to help them promote it, who

963
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>gets Sports Illustrated to cover the event, as well as

964
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>getting Arnold booked on various late night talk shows. Those

965
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>include The MERV Griffin Show, The Mike Douglas Show, and

966
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>The Fucking Tonight Show at Johnny Carson. Because apparently, like

967
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 1>talk shows were super lax about who they booked in

968
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, I don't know what.

969
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 3>The fuck he's trying to kill time guests. I think

970
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious if that was the time always be Dom Delawise.

971
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Or Rodney dangerfielders always Dom Delawise. Well at the time,

972
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious if this was the time when he was

973
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>doing two hours or like an hour and a half

974
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, because I know there was a

975
00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:59.840
<v Speaker 1>time when he was doing he would go from there

976
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.239
<v Speaker 1>was in a this was before Letterman, so he was

977
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>he would.

978
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was no there was nothing after the Tonight shows.

979
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so he got booked on those,

980
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.559
<v Speaker 1>and of course he was as charming as fuck self

981
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>during these appearances, saying in the book that the interviewers

982
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>were always shocked that he could talk and wasn't just

983
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>some big dumb off. But yeah. So he and franco

984
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 1>host the Mister International competition in Los Angeles that was

985
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>August of nineteen seventy four. On top of that being

986
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 1>a success, it also leads to a pretty sweet opportunity

987
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.679
<v Speaker 1>for Arnold because his appearance on merv Griffin actually ends

988
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 1>up leading to Lucille Ball's people reaching out to him

989
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 1>and asking if he'd appear in an upcoming TV movie

990
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 1>she's starring in with Art Carney, who I think it

991
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 1>was on The Honeymooners.

992
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh is he the skinny guy on the Honeymooners.

993
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the one that's not I can't even John Gleeson.

994
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Uh.

995
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>That was titled Happy Anniversary and Goodbye, which Arnold says

996
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 1>was his screen debut because apparently Hercules in New York

997
00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>never was never released, which I didn't double check notes,

998
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 1>but I don't remember that from the episode that we did,

999
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of embarrassing because I'm like, how the

1000
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 1>fuck did you not catch that?

1001
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.239
<v Speaker 3>What? It was never released?

1002
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 1>That's what he said in his book. So so he

1003
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 1>called this to his screen debut, which I don't know,

1004
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe I Yeah, once we do Hercules in New York,

1005
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:24.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll figure it out. You know. Anyway, we're gonna skip

1006
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>past his role in the TV movie with Luci Wall

1007
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna get to that eventually in like some

1008
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.239
<v Speaker 1>other episode. But at the same time he was doing that,

1009
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 1>he was also training for the nineteen seventy four Mister

1010
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 1>Olympia competition, which he ends up beating Lufregno to win.

1011
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 1>So after the competition, Arnold attends a book party for

1012
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 1>the release of Pumping Iron, which Bob Rafelson is also attending,

1013
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and according to Arnold, Rafelson had begun casting for Stay Hungry,

1014
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.960
<v Speaker 1>with Jeff Bridges already having been cast in the lead role,

1015
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't quite line up with the timeline that Bob

1016
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Rafelson gave in a nineteen seventy six interview he did

1017
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>with its call the BFI, the British Film Institute. Yeah,

1018
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, Arnold's a busy guy, so you know, he

1019
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 1>can't remember every single minute of every single day.

1020
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's definitely not because he was smoking all that week.

1021
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Anyway, So, according to the interview with Bob Rachfelson,

1022
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:18.760
<v Speaker 1>the day after the nineteen seventy four Mister Olympic competition

1023
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.559
<v Speaker 1>was the day that he'd set as his deadline for

1024
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.519
<v Speaker 1>letting Charles Gaines know whether or not he wanted to

1025
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>adapt to Stay Hungry. Apparently, Rafaelson had met with Chuck

1026
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Gaines a few months before the competition to discuss adapting

1027
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Gaines's book, which Rafelson had read right around the time

1028
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 1>he was doing a bunch of research for a movie

1029
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.320
<v Speaker 1>about the West African slave trade.

1030
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Got it.

1031
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, I guess after a family tragedy, though, Rafaelson

1032
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 1>decided to shove that project and work on something a

1033
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 1>bit more cheerful because the whole slavery thing was just

1034
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 1>really kind of starting to bum him out, Like after

1035
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 1>that family stuff happened, you know, like.

1036
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 3>Get fair, I guess, yeah, sure, especially like yeah.

1037
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.760
<v Speaker 5>Question, yes, you mean he went to stay hungry from

1038
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 5>the slavery.

1039
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 1>That's just the those words together sound funny.

1040
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 3>He was gonna make the slavery but yes, right then, but.

1041
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.920
<v Speaker 5>He switched years and didn't stay hungry.

1042
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 1>Because something happened with his family and he got like

1043
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 1>it just shit was tough, and I don't know, but

1044
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>he put it more eloquently than that, by the way.

1045
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, yes, but that's more or less what he said,

1046
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.320
<v Speaker 1>which I found like the honesty of kind of funny

1047
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.760
<v Speaker 1>because I know what he meant. Yeah, and it definitely

1048
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. But for some reason, it just made me

1049
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.400
<v Speaker 1>picture this like totally made up version of Bob Rafelson

1050
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.559
<v Speaker 1>that was just completely unaware of how fucking horrible the

1051
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 1>West African trade slave was or slave trade was, just

1052
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 1>like during his interview being yeah, during the interview, being like,

1053
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how familiar with this whole slavery stuff

1054
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that happened a while back. Whoa, let me tell you

1055
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 1>it was not good. Just I don't know it was.

1056
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, have you ever heard of that?

1057
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Just just comes into the interview with his hand shaking,

1058
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 3>smoking a cigarette like Jesus christ Man.

1059
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Apparently we're dickheads. He wouldn't admit that.

1060
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm just now no.

1061
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, okay, but yeah, like I said, Rafelson set up

1062
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 1>a meeting with Charles Gaines to discuss the book, although

1063
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't because he was interested in adapting the story.

1064
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 1>This was because the book's ending reminded him of the

1065
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.920
<v Speaker 1>last his last two films, with Rafelson admitting during that

1066
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 1>same nineteen seventy six BFI interview quote with Stay Hungry,

1067
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't in the least interested in making this book

1068
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>into a movie, but I was interested in the writer.

1069
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 1>So I met Gaines in Birmingham, Alabama, and it was

1070
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 1>only at the end of a very long conversation that

1071
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I said to him that the conclusions of his novel

1072
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 1>were not unlike the conclusions I had come to in

1073
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>both Five Easy Pieces and The King of Marvin Gardens unquote.

1074
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 1>So basically, he didn't care about the actual story. He

1075
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.400
<v Speaker 1>just liked the fact that Chuck Gaines had ended the

1076
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>book in a way that was totally similar to the

1077
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 1>end of his movies, which cool, cool, yeah exactly, Like.

1078
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 3>What a weird place to start that conversation, like the bro.

1079
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sweet ending, man, have you seen my movies?

1080
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, you've seen Five Easy Pieces? Right? You said you

1081
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 3>watched it?

1082
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I did. How does that end it ends? Oh? Sorry?

1083
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I was like I told you, I explained it to

1084
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Erica the other night, but yeah, she sort of saw.

1085
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 1>So did I even tell you what it's about.

1086
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.760
<v Speaker 5>I don't think I don't even know what it's.

1087
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So basically it's Jack Nicholson. He's an oil a

1088
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Derek Oil Derek worker.

1089
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, gotcha, that's how it starts.

1090
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 1>And he's as a girlfriend who's kind of dumb, like annoying.

1091
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 1>She's he's annoying, she did see and talks like a baby. Yeah.

1092
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Gross.

1093
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's basically like him like hanging out with his

1094
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.039
<v Speaker 1>work friend and his wife and for a while, there's

1095
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 1>nothing really happening, and then all of a sudden he

1096
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 1>quits the job. He ends up meeting with his sister,

1097
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 1>who's a pianist, like like, I'm pretty sure she's like

1098
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 1>recording for something. She's she's being recorded in his studio,

1099
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and you find out that he used to be like

1100
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.320
<v Speaker 1>like he's super good at music. Yeah something. Yeah, So

1101
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 1>she tells him that their dad's not dying, like he's

1102
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.679
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of strokes. So he goes back home

1103
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and part of it is the trip going home, which

1104
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I might have mentioned this like before, but

1105
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:27.239
<v Speaker 1>there's a scene like a famous scene of him and

1106
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a diner and he's trying to order like eggs and

1107
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>toast or something like that, but they there's no substitutions

1108
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and they don't have it, and so he's trying to

1109
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.440
<v Speaker 1>like get it's it's a good scene. Sure, yeah. Anyway,

1110
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.400
<v Speaker 1>he gets there. He hangs out with his family for

1111
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a bit. He realizes that they kind of stuck. His

1112
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>brother's also a prodigy, and his dad was like, like

1113
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 1>a they're kind of like a famous musical family, I think. Yeah.

1114
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.159
<v Speaker 1>His girlfriend shows up. One of their one of the

1115
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.199
<v Speaker 1>family's guests is a dick tor, so he defends her.

1116
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 1>They leave, and his girlfriend's pregnant by the way, for

1117
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 1>to I mention that they're going back home, and so

1118
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.519
<v Speaker 1>the movie ends with them stopping at a gas station

1119
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to fill up, and he's in the bathroom and then

1120
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:12.119
<v Speaker 1>decides to ditcher. So she's at the pump. There's a

1121
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.039
<v Speaker 1>like a big like refueling truck that's sitting right outside

1122
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. He talks to the guy like without her

1123
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 1>saying because he's like hidden behind the truck. He talks

1124
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 1>to the guy who owns a truck, asks him for

1125
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 1>a ride, like he doesn't show this. It's up. It's

1126
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.880
<v Speaker 1>like pulling out so you can't do anything, gets in

1127
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the truck and leaves, and the last like shot is

1128
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the truck driving away as she's standing there like looking around.

1129
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:33.880
<v Speaker 3>That's the fucking end of the base.

1130
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:39.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the end of the movie. So and I don't

1131
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>know how I should have looked up how the King

1132
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.320
<v Speaker 1>of Marvin Gardens ends, but it's probably similar, if it's

1133
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:45.320
<v Speaker 1>totally similar to that.

1134
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 3>And so he reads this book and he's just like, man,

1135
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 3>you're a bleak asshole, just like me.

1136
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I would like to think the end of King

1137
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 5>of Marvin Gardens is he's just walking out with the

1138
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.079
<v Speaker 5>crown in the middle of a like a type of

1139
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:02.000
<v Speaker 5>French type of maze garden in front of a cast.

1140
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Especially going to say he passes go.

1141
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 1>No, he he lands on the luxury thing after passing go.

1142
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Money taken away has got to end sad at exactly.

1143
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he didn't care about the story, which again cool,

1144
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But like I'm as I'm reading all this stuff, I'm

1145
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>like trying really hard as I'm writing this, not the

1146
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:19.639
<v Speaker 1>shit on this guy, because like the whole like he

1147
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.119
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like iron stuff just reasonly comes off like

1148
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.519
<v Speaker 1>egotisticals fuck and is that just me? Or like I'm

1149
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.480
<v Speaker 1>trure I'm reading more into it just because I'm I

1150
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 1>don't really care for him.

1151
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean he seems like a prick. I

1152
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 3>don't know it. It's at least a little bit egotistical.

1153
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't like going into a conversation where that's like

1154
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 3>the only thing you liked about his book, or like

1155
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 3>where that's really the only thing you guys have to

1156
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:47.199
<v Speaker 3>talk about, especially when he when the author is probably

1157
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 3>really excited about meeting a director who liked his book, Like, yes,

1158
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:53.360
<v Speaker 3>that seems shitty, yeah.

1159
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Which leads us to the next thing, because Rayfelson then

1160
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 1>goes on to prove that he didn't give a shit

1161
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 1>about the actual story by letting Chuck Gaines Charles gain

1162
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry Chuck what Chuck Gaines know that he'd make significant

1163
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:08.119
<v Speaker 1>changes to the book if he did end up adapting it. Yeah,

1164
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>this was This was at the meeting, So I guess

1165
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:12.639
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't a deal breaker for Gaines, even though he

1166
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 1>did have other offers for the book rights.

1167
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:15.199
<v Speaker 3>Hum.

1168
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so he definitely could have pushed for a more

1169
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>faithful adaptation if he really wanted to but apparently he

1170
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.920
<v Speaker 1>was a bit of like a Bob Rafelson fanboy, so

1171
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>his interest in working with Rafelson ended up outweighing his

1172
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 1>attachment to the source material Jesus, which is that's according

1173
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to Bob Rafelson, I didn't find anything about Charles Gaines

1174
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 1>talking about it, but yeah, so, which Rafelson did warn him.

1175
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.079
<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, you might not be happy with it,

1176
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.519
<v Speaker 1>but then like doesn't mention anything else about it, Like

1177
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.159
<v Speaker 1>you you say that now, but you know anyway, Yeah,

1178
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, so even though Charles Gaines had agreed to

1179
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the changes that Rafelson wanted to make to the book,

1180
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Bob Rafelson still made him wait anywhere between six weeks

1181
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:59.039
<v Speaker 1>and several months, depending on the year. Like that he

1182
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 1>was interviewed about this because like the first like the

1183
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.880
<v Speaker 1>first one, the six months was from a nineteen seventy

1184
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.960
<v Speaker 1>six that BFI interview, and then the several months was

1185
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in a twenty nineteen Esquire magazine interview. Yeah, if

1186
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 1>you're if you're wondering what Bob Rafelson was actually doing

1187
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.599
<v Speaker 1>during this time. According to the twenty nineteen Esquire magazine interview,

1188
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 1>he was quote hitchhiking across the South infiltrating Southern society

1189
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and immersing himself in the weightlifting culture because apparently he

1190
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.119
<v Speaker 1>was the like director's version of like a method actor.

1191
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 5>I don't think he needed that for this movie.

1192
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's good to know, Like I don't know.

1193
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 1>This is also which is me defending the whatever, but

1194
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:44.119
<v Speaker 1>like it's also a time where you there isn't. I

1195
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:45.719
<v Speaker 1>think we take for granted how easy it is to

1196
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.920
<v Speaker 1>get information now, so I guess that's fair.

1197
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:54.599
<v Speaker 3>But like, I don't know. I having since watched the movie,

1198
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.119
<v Speaker 3>I find that he is a little too in. He's

1199
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 3>a little bit too intent or focused on getting like

1200
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:08.360
<v Speaker 3>an authentic feel for what Southern people are like, like

1201
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 3>to the detriment of the story, Yes, like that's it

1202
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:13.840
<v Speaker 3>felt like that, but.

1203
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Like not the bad parts of the Southern people.

1204
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 3>Well no, but man, can they play the fiddle? Yeah?

1205
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>The best part is the reason he gave for his

1206
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 1>immersion into the weightlifting world, saying during the nineteen seventy

1207
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.519
<v Speaker 1>six interview that he did it because quote, I wasn't

1208
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>sure I was in the least intrigued by their profession.

1209
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 1>The day after the Mister Olympia contest in New York,

1210
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was the day I'd set as my deadline for notifying

1211
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Gains as to whether or not I would pursue the thing,

1212
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 1>And there was enough there obviously to make me decide

1213
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do it unquote. But yeah, like I

1214
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know, just like nothing gets me looking forward to

1215
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 1>watching a film quite like reading about the directors like

1216
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.039
<v Speaker 1>lukewarm interest and not just the source material but also

1217
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 1>the film's like like entire subplot.

1218
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just inspires a lot of confidence.

1219
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. The more stuff I read, I'm like, why

1220
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 1>did you even do the movie?

1221
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1222
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.559
<v Speaker 1>And there's something like in that book I read, and

1223
01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I read somewhere else, but I think it

1224
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 1>was actually in a Roger Ebert review or something like

1225
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.639
<v Speaker 1>that they weren't as worried about plot back then, like

1226
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.559
<v Speaker 1>it was more sure the feel of the movies or whatever. Absolutely,

1227
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm the complete opposite.

1228
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.199
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah, I don't really like that style, but

1229
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I understand that that's the way the seventies were. But

1230
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:26.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I feel like there are probably way

1231
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.599
<v Speaker 3>better versions of it than this movie.

1232
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which again it makes me curious about the book,

1233
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know anyway that brings us back to

1234
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the Pumping Iron book party, and according to Arnold's book,

1235
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Bob Rafelson have begun casting the movie with Jeff Bridges

1236
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:44.119
<v Speaker 1>are having already been cast in the lead role. And

1237
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't really find much from Jeff Bridges about the movie.

1238
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.920
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I did find is just

1239
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:54.000
<v Speaker 1>just great. So it's a twenty twenty two interview that

1240
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.000
<v Speaker 1>he did for a book about Bob Rafelson, and I

1241
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 1>could probably sum up his answer for how he became

1242
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:00.679
<v Speaker 1>involved in the film, but I want to read it

1243
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 1>instead because, like partly because it's short, but mostly because

1244
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 1>it reads like it's unedited and you can definitely hear

1245
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know so anyway, So interview, he's being interviewed

1246
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 1>by Chris Wade and he's asked how he got the

1247
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 1>part and Stay Hungry, and Jeff Bridges tells him, quote, Hey,

1248
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Chris Gosh, I wish I could do his voice because

1249
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't do a good Jeff Brushes because I'm just

1250
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 1>going southern or something.

1251
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Hey Chris Gosh.

1252
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Now this is all so long ago. I'm trying to

1253
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.480
<v Speaker 1>think back now. Well, it all started with the Last

1254
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Picture Show, which Bob's company produced, BBS God what other

1255
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:40.039
<v Speaker 1>company is named after people's first names. I love that

1256
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.440
<v Speaker 1>The last Picture was one of their big productions, so

1257
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Bob was aware of me from that and it kind

1258
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of fell into place. I can't recall exactly. It must

1259
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.719
<v Speaker 1>have been through my agent. It all started with Picture Show.

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01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:56.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's where Jeff Bridges in his old age,

1261
01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:01.719
<v Speaker 3>he just fucking talks like he gives no, like he

1262
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't give a shit, like he doesn't care how

1263
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.519
<v Speaker 3>he answers things, and he doesn't want to sound professional

1264
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:07.280
<v Speaker 3>or anything like that.

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01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.519
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, but I just love how the because

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01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that that was written, So I like how the person

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01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:18.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't cut out the hey Chris Gosh part. Yeah I

1268
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but yeah. So they cast him and he

1269
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:22.440
<v Speaker 1>already had a ton of credits at this time dating

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01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 1>back to the fifties, which I don't know. One of

1271
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:26.440
<v Speaker 1>them is like an infid in so that doesn't really camping,

1272
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:28.199
<v Speaker 1>but like masked that he was in. I didn't know

1273
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Lloyd Bridges had his own show. Oh yeah, because there was.

1274
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 1>He was credit on the Lloyd Bridges Show, which I

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01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, m and then I realized I don't know

1276
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't look at it because I was Okay, hurry,

1277
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.079
<v Speaker 1>but I realized, I don't think I've seen him in

1278
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 1>anything older like his dad. No, it's like, because I'm now,

1279
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of what I've actually seen him

1280
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and beside Seinfeld, I know I've seen him in a

1281
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:50.360
<v Speaker 1>bunch but.

1282
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh like airplane, Yeah, probably exactly. I think that's like

1283
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 3>the oldest thing I would know him from.

1284
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 1>God. So anyway, uh yeah, so Jeff Bridges' cast, We're

1285
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.119
<v Speaker 1>all at the party and now well. Charles Gaines and

1286
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:05.239
<v Speaker 1>George Butler are once again pushing for Rafelson to cast

1287
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Schwarzenegger for the role of the bodybuilding role of Joe Santo,

1288
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.920
<v Speaker 1>with Gaines even rewriting the character to make it more

1289
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Schwartz and Agarian, which he did by making the character

1290
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Austrian even though he's a Native American in the book.

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01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:20.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it couldn't change the name.

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01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what I was thinking to maybe, because the.

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01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.639
<v Speaker 5>First time I saw Joe Santo, I was like, really

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01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:32.320
<v Speaker 5>it well, yes that, yes, you could have changed everything else.

1295
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.039
<v Speaker 5>You couldn't think of a different name.

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01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Gustaf Austrian.

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01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.360
<v Speaker 5>No, that sounds well.

1298
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Like Joe can be Joseph fine.

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01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:41.000
<v Speaker 5>That's fine.

1300
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.519
<v Speaker 3>But like the Santo, Yeah, it could have just been

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01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:49.239
<v Speaker 3>Joe Schmidt venties.

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01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't give a about correct Come on, Joe Sensitivity.

1303
01:04:54.920 --> 01:05:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Joe october Fest. Okay, but yeah. So Arnold

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01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 1>in says that Rafelson eventually calls him up to set

1305
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:07.679
<v Speaker 1>up a meeting after the TV movie that he did

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01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:10.840
<v Speaker 1>with Lucille Ball aired, and during that meeting, Raefelson starts

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01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.159
<v Speaker 1>grilling Arnold about the acting requirements for the role. And

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01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:16.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna read you this little part of their conversation

1309
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.079
<v Speaker 1>real quick because it just makes me laugh. This is

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01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:22.840
<v Speaker 1>coming from Arnold's autobiography. So he says, quote, we sat

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01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.000
<v Speaker 1>down at Zucki's in Santa Monica the next day for lunch.

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01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Bob was all business. I'd never seen him in movie

1313
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.079
<v Speaker 1>director mode. He took charge of the conversation and had

1314
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:33.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot to say. He quotes Bob Rayfelson as saying,

1315
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I want you to play the lead role in the film,

1316
01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:37.159
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to give it to you. You

1317
01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:39.320
<v Speaker 1>have to earn it right now. I feel you are

1318
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 1>not capable of being in front of the camera and

1319
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 1>selling all the different beats that I need. And then

1320
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.440
<v Speaker 1>this is Arnold talking. He says, I didn't know what

1321
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:48.599
<v Speaker 1>a beat was, but as he continued, I begin to

1322
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:52.280
<v Speaker 1>catch on. And then he goes back to quoting Rafelson, saying,

1323
01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:54.280
<v Speaker 1>most people think of a bodybuilder as a guy who

1324
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 1>will walk into a room and crash into everything and

1325
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 1>break it. When he talks, it'll be a rough talk.

1326
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.719
<v Speaker 1>But I bought the book part because this guy, besides

1327
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.719
<v Speaker 1>being powerful, is sensitive. You'll see him lifting hundreds of

1328
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:07.159
<v Speaker 1>pounds of weight, but in the next scene he might

1329
01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:08.679
<v Speaker 1>pick up a glass and say, do you know what

1330
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 1>this is? This is back a rat crystal. Look how

1331
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.960
<v Speaker 1>gorgeous it is. Look how delicate it is. That's just

1332
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.840
<v Speaker 1>one example. He loves music. He plays the fiddle. He

1333
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.840
<v Speaker 1>can get off on the quality of a guitar. He

1334
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:23.760
<v Speaker 1>has sensitivity and intuition that are almost like a woman's Jesus,

1335
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:27.639
<v Speaker 1>that's what makes the character. He is able to shift

1336
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.320
<v Speaker 1>gears and that's very hard to pull off. And that's him.

1337
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Quoting Bob Rafelson, Arnold and says, I made a mental

1338
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 1>note I would have to take a few fiddle lessons

1339
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:41.920
<v Speaker 1>what he pulls from it. Every time I read that,

1340
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I just sounds like something out of a

1341
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.239
<v Speaker 1>out of like a like Futurama or something like that.

1342
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Just like hands down to his notepen and.

1343
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:52.960
<v Speaker 3>He's like, it's just like a picture of he's just

1344
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.760
<v Speaker 3>sketching a fiddle. He's like doodling himself playing fiddle.

1345
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Okay, so yes, So Raefelson eventually agrees to hire

1346
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 1>him on two conditions, first that he began taking acting

1347
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.440
<v Speaker 1>lessons immediately, and then secondly that he cut down his

1348
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 1>weight from two forty to two ten, which of the

1349
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 1>two was the one that he had a problem with

1350
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 1>because it basically meant that he'd have to retire from competing.

1351
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.239
<v Speaker 1>That he wanted him to cut his weight because the

1352
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 1>camera makes the body look bigger and he doesn't want

1353
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.519
<v Speaker 1>him to, which is this is what he has Bob

1354
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:27.119
<v Speaker 1>riffleson Quota is saying, And I don't want you to

1355
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 1>overwhelm the other actress with your size. You can still

1356
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.400
<v Speaker 1>weigh two ten and sell the idea of being mister Universe.

1357
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah like even after he cuts down, he's still way

1358
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 1>bigger than.

1359
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:38.599
<v Speaker 3>He is, still huge.

1360
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but yeah, so anyway, so he agrees to

1361
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.760
<v Speaker 1>do both, and the production company pays for three months

1362
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of both acting classes and private lessons from acting coach

1363
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Eric Morris, who had been Jack Nicholson's acting coach. Yeah,

1364
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and there's a pretty funny story in the book about

1365
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:56.800
<v Speaker 1>like his acting coach trying to get him to summon

1366
01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the emotion to cry, but Arnold just like wasn't at

1367
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the time exactly in touch with his emotions. Yeah, just

1368
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.920
<v Speaker 1>like while reading and I was just like thinking, I

1369
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.119
<v Speaker 1>know why he wants him to cry, but for some reason,

1370
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.920
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't understand that it's something that he can never do.

1371
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It just made me think of The

1372
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Terminator two saying for some reason like at the end

1373
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:22.079
<v Speaker 1>of the movie, like and then after that, I was

1374
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:24.439
<v Speaker 1>just imagining, like his acting coach like years later watching

1375
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.720
<v Speaker 1>T two. I mean, like you're telling me, like when

1376
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:29.399
<v Speaker 1>he sees delivered that line.

1377
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.039
<v Speaker 5>Next. I don't think I've ever seen him past in

1378
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:36.159
<v Speaker 5>something that needs to cry. I think even even Maggie,

1379
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:38.359
<v Speaker 5>Like does he really need to cry Maggie.

1380
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, his daughter's dying, so.

1381
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:42.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but like's not yet.

1382
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like I'm I think maybe in Maggie, but

1383
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:52.600
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, I'm PROMI assuming, so I'm sure he.

1384
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Did like between Maggie and Aftermath. I'm sure he did

1385
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 3>at least once or twice. Yeah, I'm sure it was fantastic,

1386
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:00.960
<v Speaker 3>lot of other stuff.

1387
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't remember him crying in Aftermath or Collateral

1388
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:09.279
<v Speaker 5>Collateral Daniel.

1389
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.479
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I wouldn't think he would have if he's

1390
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.399
<v Speaker 1>doing shower, So it just kind of.

1391
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:17.319
<v Speaker 5>Well, the only shower scene in Aftermath. This is but

1392
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.279
<v Speaker 5>that I remember. So I was looking a little south

1393
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:24.119
<v Speaker 5>from his tears.

1394
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Districted. Well, he shouldn't have been crying at that point either,

1395
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:28.199
<v Speaker 1>because he.

1396
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Was looking at his other cheeks because Bill was before

1397
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:37.199
<v Speaker 3>his family died, so like he's crying, it's just his

1398
01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:38.239
<v Speaker 3>own personal.

1399
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Issues, like.

1400
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Exactly just construction.

1401
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So according to Arnold's book, it was right around

1402
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:51.199
<v Speaker 1>this time that Sally Fielderman cast who, before getting the

1403
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:54.119
<v Speaker 1>role of Mary Tate Farnsworth, had not worked in two

1404
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:58.359
<v Speaker 1>years ever since her show, which was called The Girl

1405
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 1>with Something Extra, was canceled after only one season. Which

1406
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious what that was about, and I.

1407
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:07.079
<v Speaker 5>Think I remember, but I think it was probably something

1408
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.760
<v Speaker 5>similar to like a coming of age, like probably being

1409
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.039
<v Speaker 5>similar to I've never seen my so called life, but

1410
01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:14.479
<v Speaker 5>I would assume it was something similar.

1411
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I think she was nineteen or twenty when when she

1412
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:19.680
<v Speaker 1>got the part and Stay Hungry, I think, but I'm

1413
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:20.239
<v Speaker 1>not positive.

1414
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm sure it's just like a nineteen

1415
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:27.560
<v Speaker 3>girl situation. Yeah, well, like you know, it's just it's

1416
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:28.720
<v Speaker 3>a girl and she's quirky.

1417
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:29.880
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't very.

1418
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.680
<v Speaker 5>Happy about the wall, That's all I remember, because she

1419
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.720
<v Speaker 5>didn't want another like sick coommy type thing because she

1420
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:36.640
<v Speaker 5>was just starting to begin like the sick.

1421
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:38.560
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, is like I bet you

1422
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:40.560
<v Speaker 3>it was similar to Gidget?

1423
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that that was a show though Gidget was Yeah,

1424
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.520
<v Speaker 1>this ends up being her first movie.

1425
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, yeah that was a show.

1426
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:49.359
<v Speaker 5>It was only on one season.

1427
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:52.239
<v Speaker 1>No, no, sorry, so sorry, I meant Stay Hungry ends

1428
01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:55.079
<v Speaker 1>up being her first movie. Yeah yeah right, but yeah.

1429
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 3>So.

1430
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:58.079
<v Speaker 1>According to Sally Field's autobiography, this is partly because she

1431
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.520
<v Speaker 1>told her agent that she only wanted to do movies

1432
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:04.279
<v Speaker 1>why she didn't work for two years, and she told

1433
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:06.760
<v Speaker 1>them to turn down any TV offers that came in.

1434
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Her agent advised her that she should stick to sitcoms

1435
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.800
<v Speaker 1>because only model models work in film, and she wasn't

1436
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:18.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty enough Jesus. Yeah, and she responded by firing that douchebag.

1437
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.800
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, fuck that. Fuck that guy.

1438
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.359
<v Speaker 1>He did throw in no offense and no offense do

1439
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:26.920
<v Speaker 1>network According to Sellly Fild.

1440
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:28.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I'm on his side.

1441
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.640
<v Speaker 1>No offense, but you're not really prairie enough to be

1442
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:32.880
<v Speaker 1>in per Jesus Christ.

1443
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:33.279
<v Speaker 3>Dude.

1444
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the seventies were fun, especially for the ladies. Yeah,

1445
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:40.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely for dudes anyway, And that's why she was famous

1446
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:42.239
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Wasn't it like yeah, like Erica said,

1447
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:44.079
<v Speaker 1>like starring as like in sitcoms as a kid, Like

1448
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 1>it was just Gidget and the Flying Nun, wasn't it?

1449
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Or there were more pretty sure that Yeah, yeah, okay.

1450
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's didn't she like hate being like the Flying

1451
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Nun or was like ashamed of it or something like that,

1452
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:56.560
<v Speaker 1>or just because it was like it was like a

1453
01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.079
<v Speaker 1>joke around like pretty much Hollywood or something like that, right,

1454
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like they like Late nine shows were digging in on

1455
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it and stuff like it was just like an easy

1456
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:03.880
<v Speaker 1>punchline sort of thing.

1457
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.039
<v Speaker 3>I thought she just hated Catholics.

1458
01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:13.319
<v Speaker 5>So the Girl with Something Extra is about her and

1459
01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:17.079
<v Speaker 5>her husband and being a normal, cute newlywed couple attempting

1460
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.760
<v Speaker 5>to begin a quiet new life together. The only problem

1461
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:22.000
<v Speaker 5>is she's blessed with powers of ds.

1462
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.000
<v Speaker 3>She's psychic, that's what.

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01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:25.159
<v Speaker 1>That's the extra part.

1464
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:29.199
<v Speaker 5>Which her skills at mind reading get her and her

1465
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.600
<v Speaker 5>husband into plenty of wackyast situations.

1466
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:32.720
<v Speaker 1>She would it would.

1467
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:35.359
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's just like a Bewitched trip off.

1468
01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:37.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I guess.

1469
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Sorry. I read parts of the book, but skipped over

1471
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it, so I'm like, yeah, I got

1472
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 1>like the Hungry part down, but there's at the end

1473
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.199
<v Speaker 1>of it I read because it's like I was like,

1474
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.159
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you talk what she talks about with

1475
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the nineties stuff.

1476
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Not much.

1477
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh now she kind of skips over, kind of skips

1478
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 1>over like the nineties I mentioned like the movies that

1479
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.760
<v Speaker 1>she was in that like in a passing way, but

1480
01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:01.680
<v Speaker 1>then like stops on Lincoln because.

1481
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 5>That was a that was the role she like super wanted.

1482
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:08.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, good book. Uh So, Anyway, apparently Sally Field

1483
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.960
<v Speaker 1>spent those two years leading up to Stay Hungry working

1484
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.840
<v Speaker 1>on the old acting chops. You know, like she was

1485
01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:17.399
<v Speaker 1>even studying at the Actor Studio with Lee Strasburg.

1486
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Who have you guys.

1487
01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Heard of I know Erica has because she read the book.

1488
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.000
<v Speaker 3>But Chris, that's like a name I've heard. I don't

1489
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:24.039
<v Speaker 3>remember like who he is.

1490
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I guess he was the director of the

1491
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 1>school like the Actor Studio, as well as being a

1492
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:36.119
<v Speaker 1>super famous acting coach, which I'm sure is simplifying and

1493
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:39.279
<v Speaker 1>doubt like and or doubt his career accomplishments. But and

1494
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I apologize for that to anybody that cares, which yes,

1495
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I apologize to that, but it gets the point across.

1496
01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:47.520
<v Speaker 1>So whatever. So, basically, the New York Times had called

1497
01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:51.960
<v Speaker 1>him the quote father of method acting in America and

1498
01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.600
<v Speaker 1>said that he revolutionized the art of acting.

1499
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that's where I heard of him, as

1500
01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:58.199
<v Speaker 3>like that.

1501
01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:00.600
<v Speaker 1>New York Times, that nineteen seventh Times tart to call

1502
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:06.640
<v Speaker 1>your read Yeah, exactly right. I was digging through the archives.

1503
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:12.479
<v Speaker 3>It was a very well read child. Fetus cat in

1504
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:12.840
<v Speaker 3>the hat.

1505
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Get that shit out of here. Bring me the Times, mama.

1506
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess if you don't have any New Yorkers.

1507
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Or you're hearing so. Yeah. So anyway, so Sally Field

1508
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:32.359
<v Speaker 1>was attending sessions with you know that dude Strasburg training

1509
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.520
<v Speaker 1>She was training to develop her method acting skills, and

1510
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:37.680
<v Speaker 1>she says she read the Stay Hungry script in nineteen

1511
01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:41.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy five, which she described in her book by saying, quote,

1512
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.840
<v Speaker 1>it was well written and if telling an understandable story

1513
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:48.000
<v Speaker 1>with believable, realistic characters, what was what I was looking for?

1514
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Then Stay Hungry, wasn't it? Unquote Yeah, but I guess

1515
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.840
<v Speaker 1>She was given the script after the casting director included

1516
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.960
<v Speaker 1>her to the list of actresses to audio, which she

1517
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.000
<v Speaker 1>said happened for two reasons, the first being the good

1518
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.520
<v Speaker 1>reputation she'd earned based on her work at the Actress Studio,

1519
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and then secondly, actress Zora Lampert, who played Sally Field's

1520
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.840
<v Speaker 1>best friend on the show what was it called? The

1521
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:21.479
<v Speaker 1>last show she did? Yeah, was something extra she played

1522
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:23.560
<v Speaker 1>her best friend on that She was good friends with

1523
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the casting director, whose name is Diane Crittenden, So yeah,

1524
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and she'd recommended her. But yeah. As far as the audition,

1525
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.239
<v Speaker 1>she says that while waiting outside of Bob Rayffelson's office beforehand,

1526
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:37.079
<v Speaker 1>she could hear him screaming at the casting director at

1527
01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Diane Crittenden just pissed about the fact that she had

1528
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.520
<v Speaker 1>added Sally Field to their list of actresses. That they

1529
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:48.039
<v Speaker 1>had audition and that auditioning her was a waste of time. Yeah, seriously, Like,

1530
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:50.039
<v Speaker 1>the more and more I read about this dude, the

1531
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.680
<v Speaker 1>more I just did not fucking like him. Like he's

1532
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:54.880
<v Speaker 1>basically throwing a tantrum loud enough for her to hear,

1533
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:57.960
<v Speaker 1>just to be a dick. Yeah, because there's no fucking

1534
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.560
<v Speaker 1>way that he thought that she might not hear him

1535
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:02.720
<v Speaker 1>if he's yelling right out, like and she's right outside

1536
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:06.159
<v Speaker 1>of the office, I don't know. And on top of that, Sorry,

1537
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:08.479
<v Speaker 1>this stuff is why his movies didn't really stand a

1538
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.399
<v Speaker 1>chance for me as far as liking them, because I'm like, oh,

1539
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.159
<v Speaker 1>fuck this dude, and then watching these movies, I'm just

1540
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.960
<v Speaker 1>sitting there criticizing every single fucking thing that I'm watching. Okay,

1541
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.600
<v Speaker 1>so sorry, So Rafaelson is yelling because he doesn't want

1542
01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Sally failed to audition. Wait wait, sorry, I need to

1543
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 1>start throwing in some allegedlies just in case. Okay, yeah, sure, okay,

1544
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.479
<v Speaker 1>so let me start that over. So Rayfelson allegedly throws

1545
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:31.800
<v Speaker 1>a bitch fit over having to audition Sally Field, which

1546
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.399
<v Speaker 1>if I'm gonna say allegedly, I can just say whatever

1547
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I want after that, right, Yeah, Okay, so Rayfelson is

1548
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 1>just being a little bitch over the fact that Sally

1549
01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Field has to audition.

1550
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.600
<v Speaker 3>So allegedly tiny Dick Bob rayfl.

1551
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Just with Field saying that she used the anger she

1552
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:48.880
<v Speaker 1>was like felt about that Dick move to fueld her

1553
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.479
<v Speaker 1>performance for the audition. That audition consisted of two scenes

1554
01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 1>which she would be doing like her scene partner was

1555
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Chuck Gaines Charles Gaines, the writer m Yeah, got it.

1556
01:16:58.279 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

1557
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I also forgot to mention that she had decided beforehand

1558
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:04.199
<v Speaker 1>that because her reputation going into the audition was as

1559
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:06.279
<v Speaker 1>like a like a Gidget, like the flying down like

1560
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.319
<v Speaker 1>a TV actor. Yeah, she decided that the only way

1561
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:12.439
<v Speaker 1>she was gonna get the part was if she went

1562
01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:16.000
<v Speaker 1>in completely like method from the get go, so that

1563
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.399
<v Speaker 1>when she walked into the audition, they only saw the character,

1564
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the Mary Tate Friends With character, not Sally Field.

1565
01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1566
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:23.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it was also the first thing she

1567
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.920
<v Speaker 5>said she ever had to like audition for, because I'd

1568
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:29.119
<v Speaker 5>also been a TV show that was like made for her.

1569
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>She said it was her second one she said she auditioned.

1570
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I think she said the auditioned for Gidget and like

1571
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.000
<v Speaker 1>she has an audition since like nineteen sixty four or

1572
01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:37.520
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

1573
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, I really had the audition.

1574
01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't write it down, but eventually Bob Ravelson gives her.

1575
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:44.640
<v Speaker 1>She He's like, you're you're obviously the best because you've

1576
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:46.520
<v Speaker 1>done so many auditions. She's like, I have done. This

1577
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:47.760
<v Speaker 1>is my second audition ever.

1578
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:51.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have an audition in what like more than

1579
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:51.640
<v Speaker 3>a decade.

1580
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, real quick. Since I doubt most people, like those

1581
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:57.159
<v Speaker 1>people listening to this have seen the movie, how would

1582
01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys describe that character the Mary Tape funds with

1583
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.800
<v Speaker 1>character from watching it. I have a quote from Sally Field,

1584
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:04.880
<v Speaker 1>but I was gonna get your impression of it first.

1585
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:09.159
<v Speaker 3>How would I describe her? She's like a I have

1586
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:13.159
<v Speaker 3>a hard time describing her because she like in the movie,

1587
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:17.800
<v Speaker 3>she exists mostly as a love interest. Yeah, like that's

1588
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:22.319
<v Speaker 3>pretty much. She doesn't have a ton of character. She's

1589
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:26.840
<v Speaker 3>like she's spunky. Sure, I don't. I don't even think

1590
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.600
<v Speaker 3>she's that spunky. She just like doesn't take she I

1591
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.920
<v Speaker 3>will say that she doesn't take any like shit from

1592
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.079
<v Speaker 3>all the rich people that she has to hang around. Yeah,

1593
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.840
<v Speaker 3>like she has some fucking self respect and doesn't let

1594
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:43.279
<v Speaker 3>the rich asshole she has to hang out with h

1595
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:46.479
<v Speaker 3>during part of the movie like condescend to her and shit, yeah,

1596
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:50.600
<v Speaker 3>yeah she's yeah, Like they definitely play her up as

1597
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:54.520
<v Speaker 3>being kind of sex positive, yeah, in that she doesn't mind,

1598
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.079
<v Speaker 3>she's not like super conservative about it, and she doesn't

1599
01:18:58.119 --> 01:18:59.960
<v Speaker 3>mind using her sexuality when she needs to.

1600
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is similar to what like it basically like

1601
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:04.760
<v Speaker 1>some of them.

1602
01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Like.

1603
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.720
<v Speaker 1>So the quote from Sallyfield about the character, which I'm

1604
01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:09.720
<v Speaker 1>assuming is how she played it too, like the way

1605
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.720
<v Speaker 1>she saw it obviously, but she said, uh described her

1606
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:16.960
<v Speaker 1>as quote Southern and appeared to be uneducated, economically challenged,

1607
01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and physically inclined. She was also sexual with an open, easy,

1608
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.800
<v Speaker 1>no big deal kind of sensuality unquote. She says that

1609
01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was like a it was challenging because she wasn't like

1610
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:30.640
<v Speaker 1>like outwardly like that obviously, like that was an image

1611
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:31.479
<v Speaker 1>that she projected.

1612
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but yeah.

1613
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:34.560
<v Speaker 1>So as far as the audition, Sally Field said that

1614
01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:37.760
<v Speaker 1>they actually ended up unexpectedly improvising the first scene when

1615
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:40.079
<v Speaker 1>she decided to drop her script on the ground and

1616
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:42.760
<v Speaker 1>then walk over and straddle Chuck Gaines after taking his

1617
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:46.920
<v Speaker 1>script and tossing it on the floor. Yeah all right. Yeah,

1618
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>so that was the first audition. She comes up leaves

1619
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.560
<v Speaker 1>without like making a contact or talking to them because

1620
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.199
<v Speaker 1>fuck them, like after she because that would be in

1621
01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:57.520
<v Speaker 1>an asshole, and because she was probably still doing the

1622
01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 1>method thing. Yeah exactly. So she ends up getting a

1623
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:03.000
<v Speaker 1>call a week later from Bob Rayfelson regarding a callback,

1624
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:06.239
<v Speaker 1>with him supposedly starting off by telling her quote, well

1625
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:08.760
<v Speaker 1>we've now read every actress in this town, and I

1626
01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:10.000
<v Speaker 1>can't believe that you were the best.

1627
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Speaker 3>Fuck you Jesus Christ.

1628
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.039
<v Speaker 1>He says that, before mentioning that there are five other

1629
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>girls that they were considering and none of them had

1630
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:20.079
<v Speaker 1>auditioned as well as she did, but they all had

1631
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that quote long legged and long haired look that he

1632
01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:25.079
<v Speaker 1>was looking for. Because this dude is like seriously like

1633
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:28.079
<v Speaker 1>the King of like nagging, like fucking Jesus.

1634
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, he just fucking sucks shit.

1635
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

1636
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, this reminds me of the It reminds me of

1637
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.920
<v Speaker 3>the Radioactive Man movie. The episode of The Simpsons where

1638
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Bart comes in and he's like, you would be perfect

1639
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:48.159
<v Speaker 3>if you were five, and just she's christ fucking idiot.

1640
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so her second audition was with Jeff Bridges,

1641
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:56.359
<v Speaker 1>who she admitted to instantly connecting with, and pretty much

1642
01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>any interview I found with her talking about him was

1643
01:20:58.359 --> 01:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>always super positive.

1644
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Like she yeah, like she she.

1645
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.680
<v Speaker 1>They get along greater, she loves him. That goes both ways.

1646
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:06.479
<v Speaker 3>Did they work together again.

1647
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they did, like nineteen eighty two or something like that, Okay,

1648
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and I think.

1649
01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:13.119
<v Speaker 5>She ended up working with his brother or something like that.

1650
01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Too, well, we'dges probably yeah, so yeah. So sally Field

1651
01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:20.119
<v Speaker 1>joins the film, with her saying that she stayed in

1652
01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:23.760
<v Speaker 1>character for pretty much the whole production, and according to Arnold,

1653
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:26.800
<v Speaker 1>this is going back. Once sally Field was cast, Bob

1654
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Rafelson began threatening to fire him if he didn't make

1655
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.880
<v Speaker 1>weight by the time they begin filming in Birmingham, with

1656
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:34.880
<v Speaker 1>his reason being that because of how petite sally Field was,

1657
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:37.880
<v Speaker 1>it made Arnold look even bigger, which I said, suppose

1658
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:39.560
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. He's about a foot tall than her because

1659
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:41.760
<v Speaker 1>she's five to two. He's six too, and he already

1660
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.760
<v Speaker 1>looks big compared to when you see him on screen,

1661
01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:46.399
<v Speaker 1>so I can imagine like that extra thirty pounds might

1662
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.640
<v Speaker 1>have made him look like cartoonishly big, especially because like

1663
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:50.760
<v Speaker 1>there's no way that extra thirty pounds was not like

1664
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:51.880
<v Speaker 1>almost all muscle.

1665
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Sure, I guess I just like Sally Field in this

1666
01:21:56.640 --> 01:22:00.239
<v Speaker 3>movie makes everyone look like a giant. So like, you know,

1667
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:02.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to be mean, she just like she

1668
01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:07.520
<v Speaker 3>is she is, and she was insanely thin too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so she just makes everyone in this movie look giants.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, you know, I don't it doesn't I

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<v Speaker 3>can't imagine it being that effective, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Schwarzenegger spends the winter of nineteen seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>cutting weight, and he reaches the goal, but unfortunately, right

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<v Speaker 1>before he leaves to fill in Alabama, his girlfriend Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>breaks up with him, which he basically says, he stopped coming,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, still hurt. Not enough to cry, I

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<v Speaker 1>would assumed, but still still hurt. That's what he told her.

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<v Speaker 1>When but like he did, that's where he got that.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually gave that scene to James Cameron. He wiped

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<v Speaker 1>a tear from her from her eye and then said,

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<v Speaker 1>I know now while you cry. Unfortunately it's something I

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<v Speaker 1>can never do and then walked out already, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it for this episode, but we'll be back

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