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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from
the heart of Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of England.
My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.
Join me as we take a journey into the paranormal,
UFO sitings, cryptozoology.
Speaker 3: And big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Hello,
so welcome to episode forty eight of Paranormal Pendle, broadcasting
to the Paranormal Radio Network at PAUK radio dot com.
And I'm delighted that my guest has agreed to go
on video with me. A pair of more handsome gentlemen.
You talk about, Mick, Mick McLaren. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you? I'm fine.
Speaker 3: I think we're both suffering from cough. So if if
we cough, the listeners and the viewers we just have
to put up with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's been a while since we spoke.
I think it's been about two years actually, so.
Speaker 1: I think I was number five.
Speaker 3: You were indeed. Yeah, a long long time ago. Winter
Hill Investigation team still going.
Speaker 1: Strong, it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've obviously been doing a lot of investigations since
we last spoke, so I want to get into them
with you shortly. But for people who don't know where
winter Hill is whereabouts in the UK?
Speaker 1: Are you right? We're north from Manchester. We Winterill is
burrowed with Blackburn and Darwin, Bolton, Charlie and pressed it
in a distance, But that's where we are. We're central
to all these towns and cities.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Bolton, this is the big question. Greater Manchester
or Lancashire.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I would sell Lancashire, but unfortunately my postcode
is a Greater Manchester. But I still put Lancashire when
I filled things out, and I still get post so
I would sell Lankashire on myself.
Speaker 3: So old habits die. Yeah, what's what's the area like then?
Because when winter Hill is quite, it's quite a bleak,
wind swept area, isn't.
Speaker 1: That it is? Yeah, it's quite eye up. You've got
like moreland around that's really boggy, especially this time year.
You know, at the moment we've had nothing but rain,
so when I go up there, I've got wellies on
our boots and I still get wet up to my knees. Yeah,
it's really bad. In fact, the other last weekend I
was out and I sept in what I thought was
a puddle and it went right down to Missions and
I ended up getting stuck there and sort of wiggling
away back out of this puddle. So it is quite harsh.
This time. You're in summery it's not too bad. But
you've got the moorland and then that side where the earlies,
and then you go further down you've got like reservoirs
and so for wooded areas nearly said forests, and but
they're not big enough to be a forest, but they
are big forests the reservoirs going through them with this
ill poking up.
Speaker 3: So it's quite quite a sort of diverse landscape.
Speaker 1: Then oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's like I say,
in summer it's lovely. You get walkers out there, you know,
people on the bikes. You know, it's a well used
place until the sun goes there.
Speaker 3: And then it becomes a completely different, different sort of
so the the investigation team then the WINTERI investigation team.
When when did that start? How did it start? How
how did you get into all this neck.
Speaker 1: Well, I was working on a case where we're having
a sheet deaths, and at the time that was happening,
we're getting other reports of other things happening UFOs, paranormal,
you know, like ghost apparitions, even things like an antlered
man going around one of the areas down there. So
not only was I looking into this case, which I
at the time was under the impression and I said
that was under the impression of it being a big cart.
Now it's sort of goingside with someone else because we're
getting sightings of other things being dog men, and we're
getting sightings of big cats now the sheep killings when
we're up there at this time, there was a lot
going on, and I decided to put a little team together,
and not many of us at that time, there was four.
We became quite good friends and we went out together
and did the investigations to other As time's gone on,
we've got more and more equipment. It's down to three now,
but we're still out there with the equipment. You know,
we've got infrared cameras, we have a thermal cameras, so
we're using all eye text stuff. Yeah, at the beginning,
we weren't it with us torches and going around there
and infrared binoculars. But as time's gone on, we've got
more and more equipment to help us while we're out
and about.
Speaker 3: And right at the beginning then you were I remember
you talking about a carcass that you found way back
when you first started investigating what was going on up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I interviewed two lads who came across this carcass.
Who was They were up there one evening having a
walk and one of them stepped into it. Now they
were walking without talk is at that time, it mustn't
have been that dark, and one of them stepped in.
Someone looked down in this awe looked like a sheep
that had been added stomach open, you know, and it
seemed as which ribs had been prized open as well,
and it was that fresh, it was still steaming. Now,
these lads at this point, they were looking around in
this awe, the sheep on top of a small little
like then clyde going up and they were like round
and one of them said that they looked terrified. They
they just wanted to get together, and the ad torches
on them, and what one of the lads put the
torch up. And as he put it up, and he
skimmed the area, and he said he saw a pair
of red eyes. Saw a red eye shine right, and
he quickly moved back, you know, it would like torch
on it. So the eye shine moved away and then
back again and it were gone. But he started moving
down into the reeds up there, which as you know
on a moorland these reads are maybe a foot eye.
And this got down there and then they got growder.
And at that point they went down to the road.
And as they were going down the road, whatever this was,
that crowd, it was moving from one side of the
road to the other. Now on the each side of
the road. It's bad why you're fencing and it's a
proper road that goes up to the mast up at
the top of a Winterill television mast up there. And
as they were going towards a van, this thing was
sort of like must have been jumping over the fencing
to get into the field on the other side. Go down,
grow them, jump back over onto the road onto the
other other side of the fence. On the other side,
and it followed him down and so they got to
the cars and disappeared.
Speaker 3: So how how how's the fence?
Speaker 1: Roughly, I'd say it's about just over a meter a
meter and a half.
Speaker 3: Right, so it's it's the first sized animal.
Speaker 1: Then that's just jumping, yeah, yeah, and he were doing
it without and you know it would just it was
so smooth as they were doing it, you know, just
ringing from one side to the other.
Speaker 3: So I suspect them that they were quite share not
when they when they encountered.
Speaker 1: This, well, definitely, yeah, one of them where he didn't
go up there again. I don't know if he's been
up there again because they've moved on since, so I
don't see him anymore. But I do know what the
time he spoke to me about it, and then he
got a bit bothered about speaking to me, excuse me
about it, and he he ended up sort of going
on his own in the other fellow like I were
talking to him more about what we're going on, excuse me. Right.
Speaker 3: So the interesting thing about that, of course, is the
color of the eyes that they mentioned, because if it
was a big cat, you wouldn't expect it to be
red eyes, would.
Speaker 1: You You wouldn't know. No, definitely not because with the
cats you've got a sort of like greenish eye shine
or a yellowish eyes shine. Or if we don't have
anything in this country that's red eye shine, there are
in other country we've got owls that have red eyes,
but not in this country. So there's nothing no in
this country with red eye shine.
Speaker 3: So that sort of picture interest then with regards to
what's going on up there. So that's I mean, that's
been what quite a few years now, hasn't it.
Speaker 1: That was that actually happened on the twenty fifth of
October twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so we've we've had a few years in between,
So what how's the investigation progressed?
Speaker 1: Then? Well, it died out in the in twenty twenty
in February after us coming across eleven sheep that had
all been killed in the same where, not only on
that field, but a field further over. We sort of
like it died down after that and nothing happened. We
tried talking to the farmers, who, as you know, they do,
don't want anything to do with anything like this, so
they just turned around and say, oh, it's a dog
and leave it at that and that's it. Excuse me?
And yeah, so from there on was with been up
there looking around. We've been going up there early mornings,
late at night, even having campouts in the wooded areas
where there's been other sightings. It's not us only looking
into the big cat or what most people this one's
the Beast of Bolton, which is a big cat that
has been sighted in and around Bolton. Right. Uh. And
then there's this one I termed the Beast of Winter iill,
which I think is more of a dog man type
creature because I've had two reports now maybe three where
they've actually seen this thing, one you know, a couple
of meters in front of them, and another one on
the other side of a wall.
Speaker 3: Right, So who were they? Who are the people that
saw this?
Speaker 1: We have a parent, a normal group who went to
a place called Liverpool Castle, which is down in Ribbington
at the bottom of Winter Hill. There's a reservoir with
it's a folly of a castle that Lorge Leaveew had
made to look like a castle from Liverpool. That's why
it's called Liverpool Castle. And they had gone down there.
Do you get a lot of paranormal investigators going down
there and seeing what what sort of activity they can
conjure up. And they'd gone down there without any anything
happening that night, but on the way back they bumped
into this thing. What had happened is two of them
were in on scooters, you know, the mobility scooters, because
you can get to Liverpool. The grounds a bit harsh,
but you can actually get to the castle if you
go on a scooter. And on the way back they
went along a path which was woods on one side
and then a line of woods with with the field
on the other side. And they were they were going
along gear and one of them got a little bit
stoked because I, like I said about the mud and
the paths up there, they're not very well kept, especially
that time. And what one of the felas came back
to album and give him a push. Now he came
down and said he had a funny feeling about the place.
He picked up this energy that just wasn't right. One
of the ladies who were who was in the scooter
on the scooter sorry, said she had panting coming from
behind her and she thought, oh, you know, it's another
dog walker. You know this sign when this was happening twilight,
so they were trying to get back to the cars
before it went full of death. So they thought, yeah,
another dog walker walking past. One moved to one side.
But as they moved to one side and turn round,
they saw this, this Alsatian looking dog man type creature
stood up on two legs, looking around a tree okay,
and watching them. And this sort of terrified them and
they were like trying to get out of there quickly.
Now the fellow who'd helped them to get out of
this puddle had moved on by them, so they were
only the two of them. The younger one who was
quite you know, she was absolutely terrified and it seemed
to pinpoint her, and I think it was because there
was more fear coming from her. And they said it
moved down on all fours and ran as they were
going along. It ran from tree to tree, following them,
not doing anything. It has followed them. So it stand
at a tree as they were going on it and
get down on all phones. Got it next tree. It's
sort of like lift itself up and watch them until
they got to the end. Now, when they got to
the end of this path, they felt the atmosphere had
suddenly changed and as they turned around, it wasn't there.
Speaker 3: Right, So it wasn't, for want of a better word,
it wasn't an Alsatian type dog or.
Speaker 1: You know, because when they said when it was stood up,
you can see the muscle in its arms. It didn't
have fron legs as a dog would, It had arms
and hands. They even spoke about the color of it
as well, like it was gray around the neck.
Speaker 3: So as I mean, has this been seen on more
than one occasion or was this just was this just
a sort of one off.
Speaker 1: Well, there's been another witness who came forward who actually
saw it in twenty nineteen. He was coming he was
dropping his child off at a school around there near
a Ribbington, and he was driving down in a van.
Now there's a wall that runs along where he were
coming down, and because he was in a van, he
could see over this wall. Now his son who was
a bit further down, you know, because it was like
it was a nursery school, so he was away down
so he didn't see this, luckily enough. But he said
as he were going down past the swan and he
looked over, he said it was only about two or
three seconds and he saw this thing and he said
it was like a bulldog with a small back end,
massive arm, like massive front end. He said it it
was really weird looking as well. You know, it shook
him up a bit, and he said he just padded
from one side of the field right to the other.
And when I asked him about the size of it,
he said, you know, you're talking about the size of
a cow, right, and the width of a small renot,
I think he said at the time, right, he said,
it were massive and it just saw it running down
and he just like he looked at you some sort
of thing and he looked at it and he didn't
want say anything to his son. You didn't want frighten him. No,
But that was that was yeah, twenty nineteen, at the
same time as we're having the eat sheet kills as well.
Speaker 3: Right, did you think that was possibly the same or
a different sighting to the to the first one that
you mentioned.
Speaker 1: I think it was the same creature because it was
just on the opposite side of this reservoir, which isn't it.
You know, it's not even half a mile this reservoir,
you know, in the middle, it's not half a mile
but the you know, you're talking about a mile long.
Speaker 3: So do you think I think it has a territory
then do you think it's that sort of area where well.
Speaker 1: I think it could have or it were passing through
or are we seeing something that could be almost inter dimensional?
I'm unsure.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that, actually, yeah,
about whether or not you thought it was it was
possibly moving in and out rather than it being sort
of well, I believe.
Speaker 1: But I think more of that when it comes to
this dog man siting, especially the first one, because the
atmosphere there was. They explain it has been in a
bubble as well, you know, a bubble of quiet, of silence,
and everything was sort of happening to them in that
small bubble at that time. But it's in that end
of that path, the birds, you know what, you would
hear it in summer, at the end of the evening
going down all the noise.
Speaker 3: That's interesting it because you get a lot of a
lot of people who have UFO experiences also talk about
a similar phenomena where they are just in a bubble
of absolute quiet. They can't hear anything at all apart
from the noise that whatever the craft or whatever it
is they've scenes making.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Are there a lot of either UFO sightings up there
as well? Do you think do you think the two
could possibly be linked?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I do think they do. I think it's
a it's a place of ice, strangeness. There's a lot
of strange things going on there. I do get UFO sightings,
paranormal sightings, don't. Man, Bigfoot not far away from the
followed this this green corridor which you've got winter Hill
in the middle and he goes over towards towards Wigan
going to the east and then northeast you've got Blackburn
and going going towards Pendule and you yeah, and you
know these sightings are big Foot on either side of
winter from that.
Speaker 3: You've got me worried, now mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think they're on the way to you.
I think they probably are.
Speaker 3: No, it's funny actually, because there have been there have
been sightings, are such I'm aware of, although I stand corrected.
If there have been sightings, I'm sure, I'm sure they have.
But I know there's there's been possible big cat sightings
in the area around here, and obviously going over towards
Tommerdan as well. I mean there was there was the
one a few years ago that that made the national news,
the one that Albert came across the carcass. So the yeah,
I mean Tommendhen. Not only is it Ufo central, but
it's also it seems to be big cat central as well.
So I mean these animals must have a big range.
It's as simple as that, because they obviously need they
need a big range to be able to hunt in,
don't they.
Speaker 1: Well do know they can, they can, but they don't.
But they can go up to about thirty miles and
the issues are about fifteen miles that they do. As
a territory. The one around Bolton, I think it stays
within the Green Corridor arede Bolton itself, and I do
believe it's that one that has been up Winterill. I
think with that happening in twenty nineteen, I think it
was that because this it gets spotted it since two
yeah it sece two thousand. It's been spotted so many
times around the outskirts of Bolton. We've got found with
so that's the south side of Boulton. And then we
got up in Winterill where I'm looking into it. Just recently,
there's been a sighting or a so called sighting with
somebody who a video with it. I went up to
the up to the area where this happened. This was
in a few local papers, and as I looked around
the area and I sort of like looked at the
video and found out where it was. When I looked
at the I mean, it looks convincing when you look
at it, but when you're actually there and you see
the item, the tought to grass and it's etched, do
you see that it's only a few inches off the
ground A domestic car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, Sometimes perspective can play can play tricks car't it?
Speaker 1: Definitely? You know?
Speaker 3: So there have been quite a lot of photographs there
over the years from from all over the work where
they're obviously smaller, smaller cats, domestic cats, I mean even
feral domestic cats if you know what I mean. You know,
you sort of tabby sized cat that could be feral.
But then again, I am a great believer in the
fact that there are some bigger cats out there.
Speaker 1: I will say that there is one hundred percent because
over a month ago I actually saw okay, not where
I'm looking as well. In the area it was i'd
say a two few seconds of a glimpse of it.
We were going in the car around this wooded area
we were we were actually heading over to Luke at
the sighting where this had been put in the newspaper,
okay in this video had been put online. And as
we were going down, all of a sudden, I noticed,
you know, the light colored tubans he put around saplings.
I know, he sat out at corner and I and
I thought, you know, like as we were driving along,
and as we got round in the trees started moving
out and it became more open. I saw it stood
there looking towards his tree line right. And at the
time they were my partner and another lad with me.
You probably know him, I Alum from my talk cryptids.
He was with me at the time. And I just
sort of like saying shouting stop, stop, stop the car,
you know, and I got out, jumped over this little
stream and went run. As I got there, I noticed
it had gone. But we I went down towards stream,
thinking it might go that way towards it's wooded earlier
Alan went the other way and went up. Well, we
never spotted it, but what we did come across was
the back end of a deer that was left there.
So at the moment, for the past for four weeks now,
I've been up there, I've been looking around the area.
I've been documenting. I've got trail cameras up there. I
did swap the the memorycare over in one and nothing
there was me going there putting the camera up and
me coming picking it up. So I need to move
that one there and put it somewhere else. So I'm
active in that area at the moment where I saw
are so one hundred percent. Yeah, I would say there's
there's big cats in the UK.
Speaker 3: Have you picked up any any any tracks then up
there of anything that you think is particularly weird in
that area?
Speaker 1: Not yet, No, But you're talking an area of a
wooded area which is about a mile squared. You've got
moreland on either side, the water sources, you know, this
ponds up there. There's all sorts. But it's like I said,
like me saying, you know, saying me a month to
patch out one little area. I've got loans to do.
You know, it can take me up to two months
to do it doing it on my own with the team.
We're going to be going to different areas and looking,
you know, having an area to look into while someone's
looking somewhere else, until we eventually do that and find
something there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So have there been any sightings then of the Beast
of Bolts and any any sort of very five sightings
over the years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've got Sorry, you'll have to just be
with me. I've got ideas. Sub Yeah. So when it
started in in two thousand, it was seen. We've had
eleven reported sightings of it. And these are all newspaper
sightings where people have come forward, So I don't know
these other I mean, I've not been to the newspaper
with my sighting, so I take it we've had more
than eleven. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Plus you tend to find the newspapers are a
bit they're a bit sort of glib, aren't they about
these Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean you've got you know, yeah,
they talk about it and then they just give it
a little bit and that's it. You know, we've got
names and we've got where these places are. And like
I said, it looks us or you know, it's from
there to twenty and seventeen where We've had these eleven
sightings and then all of a sudden that disappears, right.
I think that's why twenty seventeen onwards around winter all
that's where it's been. I think founder place where it's
away from people and it's you know, it keeps itself
to itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Or perhaps it's a different one. Maybe there was
a family group, maybe one's yeah, perhaps breeding, yeah, because
obviously you know you're going to have to have a
breeding population, aren't you. Yeah, these sort of sightings have
been all over the country for year years, aren't they
really going back to you know, going back to pre war.
Speaker 1: So yeah, since I've had my sight and I've been
talking to a few people about it, I've had a
lot of people like, you know, like I were talking
to Steve Mihur about it, and he was saying he
in Salford has seen two walking on the railway lines
around them areas.
Speaker 3: So a question him then, because I'm talking to him
next week, so I'll question him about those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And he was saying, you know, they can
move around the railway system, you know, if the if
a train's coming, they'll just get out of where. Yeah,
and then they'll just carry on. But I think the
biggest obstacle really the roads.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and if if they find a food source,
then they'll just they'll just stay with that, won't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, yeah, Well they're quiet it when it comes
to food. You know, you'll get them eating even small
things like rodents and living raudents and that you do
here replaces, you know, like every so often where well
there's cats missing and dogs are missing, you know, because
he will feed on other cats and dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. There's many a time where all
let our dogs out at night and actually go and
stand out there with a torch because at a hundred
percent people feel safe out here because you know, it's
quite rural out here, and you know, we're fairly close
to Pendle Hill, and there's there's been sightings and you know,
audible growls and and you know cats screams and all
sorts of stuff that that could very easily be you know,
be a large cat or a population of law Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm saying here we've got winter and we've
got all all the the flat field around it sort
of thing. And then where I am in twenty nineteen,
I don't know if you've heard of the app coder.
I think it's all next door, right, and it's it's
like a Facebook AP and it's a local app and
you sort of like go on to your area and
you can see what's going on around your area. And
in nineteen I was saying about six or seven people
saying that the cats have gone missing, right okay, And
it was at the time I was looking into this
as well, and it was making me wonder, well, you know,
is this the same thing? Because we're winterill? Is I
money at the bottom? You know? There is you sort
of come out of my doorway and walk across the
road and follow that road up and you're on the moors,
you know, So it could easily in the ab been
known to come down to areas where people.
Speaker 3: Are take domestic animalitude.
Speaker 1: And domestic animals yeah, you know, going in bins.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People blame foxes, but they may not necessarily be true
doing it. What about UFOs then? What what what sort
of sightings of have been in and around the area,
because like you said, there may well be a sort
of correlation between the two.
Speaker 1: The latest one was actually a video that was sent
to me and it were lights over a canopy of trees,
and it was in the shape of a triangle over
these trees. It was foggy, and they stood there for
about half an hour taking this video. Well, no, they
stood there for half an hour. Then they decided to
take a video of about a minute long, which is
on my YouTube channel as well. Hm. Sorry, I've got
to tickle again. And they they got they got this
video of these lights over this canopy. I've been around
the area as well myself, looking around that area, and
I've gone behind the canopy of the trees to see
whether the land rises higher, you know, in case it
was someone up there with a with a eye torch beam.
But it's all flat in the area where it is.
You can't get to there's no public pathways going to it.
It's like just proper moreland where you can't get behind. Now,
when I got this and and I put it up
on the channel, I went up there looking around the area.
Somebody else got in touch with me and said, what
one evening while they were running jogging area. Just on
the other side, you've got where that happened. You've got
the canopy of trees, and then you've got an ill
that goes down and then over to a place called
Tackles and Darwin. You've got Darwin Tower, which is a
monument on top of this hill, and then further down
there you have a little reservoir. And they were running
down down this well this road, jogging in that area.
And it was a fellow that he touched me. He said,
what had happened was his friend was talking to him
if he were running around running down this area, and
he says, don't laugh at me. But me and my
other friend were running down here and we saw a
craft coming out of this reservoir over him for a second,
and then it shot off towards Winterill. Now, when you
look at that, and you look at where these lights
were and where this reservoir off and going towards Winterill,
you're on this path that takes you from the reservoir
to this canopy of trees where these lights were seen.
This happened not at the same time, It happened quite
a while before. But I'm thinking, if there's something in
this area coming out of this reservoir and it's going
in that direction, perhaps this is what she caught on
the camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it actually came out of the water did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he said. It came out obvious for just
a second. Yeah, and then it just shot off really quick.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't sort of.
Speaker 1: Marsh gas or I can't imagine around there because we're
not far from the die Win, the town itself, the
road that in you're there at the reservoir. I can't
imagine any you know, he said it was. It was
a craft, right, And not only that. When we went
up there, we went looking around the area. We do
we sort of when I get these reports. I'll go
during the day and i'll go at night as well,
open to tea somewhere really, but when when we went
up there in the evening, we had this strange feeling
that someer was watching us. And I don't know yourself,
you know, you pick up on these as all this
summit they were watching you, And it was only it
was only for about ten fifteen minutes, but there was
that feeling that there was someone watching. But when we
went back to the same area, it had completely gone
and everything we're back to normal. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Tockoles is an area, as you said,
just outside sort of it was Blackburn. It's it's on
the edge of Blackburn and Bolton, really, isn't it. It's yeah,
it's quite quite sort of rural. I do seem to
remember a fairly famous UFO sighting in on a farm
in that area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: That was what going back to was it nineteen early
nineteen eightes, I think something.
Speaker 1: Like eighty nine, was it nine? Yeah, I think around
that time. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny should mention that because
we're saying that this is in the same area the
Murphy's farm. Okay, of the Murphy case, Phiel, It's not
Murphy's farm. He was a farm man at the time.
He was. I think he went out into and he
saw UFO in the cattle.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, then he.
Speaker 3: Let get back into the fire most yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then if you talk to about this, he'll tell
you that east this Murphy and his family completely disappeared
and there's much race of them. We don't know where
they've gone, but in that exact area. I've had quite
a few sightings within that gear. I think I spoke
about it last time. We've run about the the lights
that were seen in the woods and little alien beings
around a triangle craft, right okay, that somebody had seen
when they were going past that area. Since I had
a phantom black dog that stepped out into the road
out of that farm area, right, they thought they knocked
it over. They didn't hear a bang, but they thought
they knocked it over. They got out a car ad
a look around. Car was okay, But she did because
she was a passenger in the car. It was a
husband who was driving, and she said, the luke of
this dog didn't seem natural, right, It just didn't loot
right at all. She wouldn't want to see it ever again.
It sort of appeared from nowhere, stepped in front of
the car. They thought they did it, and they actually
went into the wooded hurry to have a loot round
to see whether it had gone into Yeah, but no,
nothing of that came.
Speaker 3: About that, So that that was sorry.
Speaker 1: So that was.
Speaker 3: A spectral dog as opposed to a sort of physical dog.
Speaker 1: Man. She thought it were physical, right, But it just
disappeared as it stepped out in front of the car.
Like I said, there was snow bang, But she thought
she did it and it would just not there.
Speaker 3: And did did she describe it in any similar way
to to the sightings that you talked about before about
the sort of.
Speaker 1: Straight no, that that's it. She didn't know it was.
Speaker 3: Just the dog any fact, imagined.
Speaker 1: A Dobleman book twice as big and twice as wide
face that almost leaps intelligent, you know, as someone knew
what it was doing.
Speaker 3: I suppose if if she only sort of got a
very quick glimpse of it, it would be difficult to
sort of describe it in detail, wasn't that. Yeah, so
it could have been the same, It.
Speaker 1: Could have been, but yeah, I mean it has been
known to just disappear onto you know the I don't know,
Liverpool Castle, Yeah, you know, the turning and it was gone.
Speaker 3: So any other UFO sightings in the area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well when I looking into that case, I went
into that actual area so round, and I came across
a couple of wild campers who was sort of like,
we did find a footprint, and it was quite large.
I don't know whether it was a soil, because you know,
with the dog print and it's a soil. If it's
so soft, it we'll like expand it to make it
loose bigger it was. But when I took the measurements
and I looped back. It was the same size as
what the it was described as a die wolf size footprint,
but again it could have been the expansion of the soil.
And I was going to go back and get a
plaster of Paris of this, but because it's a well
treaded area, there were footprints in there. But as we
went in there, we came across these campers who said
one evening they were in there and they were.
Speaker 3: Just just.
Speaker 1: Sat renk fire, having something eat and a set of
lights just came over the canopy of the trees, very slow,
no noise, but it just went over and sort of
went into towards winter elm. I asked them what did
they do? You know, did you not go looking? Did
you not like take any photos or anything like that,
And they said no, we just carried on eating. But
it would have strange that it was so quiet and
it just went over top of them.
Speaker 3: And strangeingly then that it didn't piaque their interest a
bit more.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, I mean you get some people out there
that I go around there a lot, and if I'm
out there with me equipment or if I'm filming or
doing anything in that area, and people take an interest,
So come over and talk to me, you know, the
usual what you're doing, why you're doing it sort of thing,
and then I explain, you know, like what I do,
giving me details, ask them about you know, they've had
anything strange happening to them, and you'll get a lot.
I get a lot of stories back that way, you
know it. It's quite good getting out there and getting
these fast and witness accounts from people who they said
it blue come out with it. They tell you about it,
what happened. You can see the sincere her. I mean
they don't that's it. They just go away and you know,
like you're separate and carry on doing what you're doing.
And yeah, yeah, you know, like within the area totals.
When I'm out there, there's quite a lot of walkers
in that area, so tell us a few things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sort of big cat sightings or weirder things
than that, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of the UFO sightings lights. I've
had a one where there was another wild camper who
was out there who ended up packing up and going
on because he said they were like shadow men watching
him around her trees. Right one manute, there'd been one
part of the area and then the next you know,
as he looks to another area, they're there, does shadows
and just disappearing in front of his eyes.
Speaker 3: What about Rivington Pike, That's that's had quite a lot
of UFO sightings, hasn't it over the years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had a one fellow who got in touch with
me who'd been up You were up there when he
was a kid, about five, and he with his older
brother and his dad. His mum had been in hospital
or Blackburn hospital, and on the way over the dad
ha taking him for a ride up near the pike
and they've gone out of Karen, had a walk round
and as they were walking from the pike up towards
Winterill itself, towards a mast, he said he he and
his brother and his father, who was a military he
was in the military at the time, said that this
craft came along sort of like stopped and offered for
a bit. He said he was about the same size
as a Volkswagen Beetle and it just shot off. And
he always remembers at that early age his father turning
around to him and says, whatever, you know, whatever you
whenever you talk about this in the future, remember that
he actually did see it, and don't take any notice
of what other people are going to say about it.
Speaker 3: So do you think, I mean, why do you think
it's such a hotbed of activity? Then around that area
do you think the I think the radio masks have
got anything.
Speaker 1: To do with it. It could be the radio mask,
it could be the quartes underneath the grind, because there's
a lot of quarts around there, and there's a lot
of minds under there as well. So if you've got
I mean, we know we use quotes in watches, and
we actually use it within the electrical stuff. When it's
compressed so much it'll give off a bit of energy.
Or if you've got quotes underneath there and you've got
in mind that it's going to collapse on top of that,
it's going to pressurize it and you're going to get
some sort of energy from it. Only that we've got
as their sacred site. So there we're layer lines running
through which I believe help towards this area. We have
warm not far on the north side of winterill Over
in the Angle's Eye area, going towards Charlie, we have
an area they called round Loaf, which is an all
burial mound, right, the Olythic burial mound. It's never been excavating.
But looking into that area, I've found that we've got
over twenty different laylines coming from that area going through
all these areas, and from there we've got it going
through Winterill and through the actual field where all the
sheet carcasses were found as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, no, that's interesting. So so you think there could
be lines of energy which are sort of converging on
the area, and that's what's that's what's causing all of this,
this this weirdness going on.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, because on the opposite side where we were
just talking about with the Murphy's case and the things
that I've had around there, we've got that from Round Loaf,
We've got another line going straight through that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, so we've got to go how come it's never
been excavated that area?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Have you any idea why?
Speaker 1: I think it's the area it's actually in, it's very
very hard to get to. It's so boggie. It's there
is a few paths going to it, which at this
time of year is hard to get to in summer.
It's fine if they were gonna if they were gonna
excavate the area. I think the best time really would
be in summer. Not far from there, we've got another one,
another burial area calleder Pip Stones. Right is a long
barrow which is one of the only long barrows outside
of the Cotswolds for some reason, is up here right
there in that area.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because there is there is a Neolithic burial
site right on the top of Pendle Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there isn't the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I always find really weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you've got actually you've got two like well
more than about three lines going through Pendal Yeah. Yeah,
but the class is the spine of Albion line going
through it, which liver or is it. And then you've
got another one which goes through the center. And then
you've got the one that goes from the east coast
to the west coast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the intersect all around Pendal Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just find it strange that that, you know, they
would they would carry a body up, you know, a
very steep sided hill for you know, it's probably well
it's it's two thousand feet above sea levels, so it's
it's high up just just to bury your body up there,
so it was either somebody who was really important or
it's a really important site, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the importance of these what could have
been tribe leaders at the time. Like I said with Angles,
you've got Tackles at the other side of Angele's Ark
where round Wharf is. And sometimes I do think whether
round Wolf has something to do with a chieftain who
was maybe buried there all talk, because we have in
a church yard over there there's a stone called top Stone,
which is too an old chieftain or king at the
time around the Tockles area. Now talk would have been
his name in the area it is and it's like
an old so it would have been Tackles. That could
have been his burial mound. That could be the important
point where he is. But for all these lay lines
go into this area, you know, he must have been
a well known chieftain at the time to be buried
in that that area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there must be some something to do with then,
with energy or the special significance importance of the area,
which is all sort of adding up to what's going
on around there at the minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean it's it's been going on
quite a long time. I mean before I even started
doing my research around Winterial. You had steam Mira doing
research around there, Chris Turner going out there doing Israel
research around the area before runs that. I don't know,
there might have been other people, you know, because there's
cases going back up in the nineteen fifties around that area.
Speaker 3: So so sightings of strange creatures or UFOs are both.
Speaker 1: Well. There was one on the east sorry, the west
side of Winterill near the pike itself, and there's an
house called the Sportsman's Cottage. It used to be a
pub right a lot you know, in the eighteen hundreds,
and it was well known for being really roading. It
ended up closing down. And this is the middle of nowhere,
so I don't know these these roading makers were.
Speaker 3: It was it on a sort of like a packorch
road or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, yeah, it was what I
think was one of the main rules went from Belmont
Over to Rivington at one time.
Speaker 3: So coaching then, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, in nineteen fifty I felt an ex policeman retired
from the police force in Liverpool ended up buying it
and moving into that house, and his son actually got
in touch with a fellow who was writing a book
on the area called Dave Lane and it's called The
Winterhill scrap Book. And he wrote a letter to say
that he remembers when he was a child, his grandfather,
who was his policeman, moved into that with his wife
and he was staying over and he said he remembers
waking up in the morning and his grandfather turning around
telling him to pack his stuff up. They packed their
own case up and they left and went back to Liverpool.
Because when he went to the toilet during the night,
he looked out of the window and saw something that
frightening that much he left the area.
Speaker 3: But he never said what it was.
Speaker 1: He'd say he ended up passing on and never passed,
you know, like what had happened?
Speaker 3: Wow, So it could have been anything, and yeah, he
could have been obviously frighten. The will is out of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting, So working people, because you've got YouTube channel, haven't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I've got a YouTube channel and the website both.
Mitt McLaren. The website to Mit McLaren dot com. If
you go on to there, it'll take you to all
the social media and everything that's out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just looking at your YouTube channel on
my other screen over here. Plenty of stuff on there,
some really interesting videos. Big Cat sighted on angles art more.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, that's an interesting one. That was a
fellow who got in touch with me and he was
he's a photographer and this was in twenty twelve and
he went up there to do a bit photography after
working really early in morning, and he would have taken
forth his turn around and so this black panther do
just looking at him, give him a quick growl or
grunt and walked off. Right.
Speaker 4: Interesting, There's not there's not a right lot you can
say to that. Really, I would imagine that that will
be quite quite a shock if you turn around and
saw something like yeah, earlier in the morning, Well that's brilliant.
So yeah, so you've got YouTube channel on your website.
I'd just urge people to go along and have a
look because there's some really interesting videos on there and
having to quit quick. Look at your YouTube now and
I had a look at it last night and there's
some really interesting.
Speaker 3: Videos on there, so so yeah, keep keep up the
good work, Mike. It's it's a fascinating subject. It's a
really interesting area and I'm sure that there will be
more stuff happening in future, and hopefully you'll you'll get
some some really good evidence going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully we will. And yeah, we've we don't only
do winter all at the moment. We do spread out,
so we end up going here, you know, up and
down the country. I mean, Somerset in the summer. I'm
going to a conference when I'm meeting up with a
few people who I've been like sort of talking to
about a case I'm working on in Kendle, a big
cat case something there, right, And.
Speaker 3: What's going on in Somerset? Is there anything? Is there
any sightings down there? In Sunset?
Speaker 1: You can inter Yeah. I mean there's a young lad
who's doing this conference who came across some DNA evidence
of a big foot which has been put in the newspaper,
saying that it's I think it was ninety nine points
nine percent a monkey.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, interesting that So it's, like I said,
a gorilla type Yeah, yeah, hmm. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, it's been brilliant talking to you, Mick. Thanks very much,
thanks for coming on. Like I say, I urge people
to go and have a look at your YouTube channel
and your website and yeah, good luck with your investigations
going forward.
Speaker 1: Thanks and it's been a pleasure talking.
Speaker 3: No worries. Thanks, make take care you later. You can
visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant dot co
dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return, and remember to keep
watching the shadows.