1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,400 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:34,799 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from 4 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,679 the heart of Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of England. 5 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:42,840 My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories. 6 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,200 Join me as we take a journey into the paranormal, 7 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,560 UFO sitings, cryptozoology. 8 00:00:49,679 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: And big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Hello, 9 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,120 so welcome to episode forty eight of Paranormal Pendle, broadcasting 10 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:10,359 to the Paranormal Radio Network at PAUK radio dot com. 11 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,640 And I'm delighted that my guest has agreed to go 12 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,959 on video with me. A pair of more handsome gentlemen. 13 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,319 You talk about, Mick, Mick McLaren. How are you. 14 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,879 Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you? I'm fine. 15 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: I think we're both suffering from cough. So if if 16 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,079 we cough, the listeners and the viewers we just have 17 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:31,719 to put up with it. 18 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while. 19 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's been a while since we spoke. 20 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:41,920 I think it's been about two years actually, so. 21 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:43,719 Speaker 1: I think I was number five. 22 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,439 Speaker 3: You were indeed. Yeah, a long long time ago. Winter 23 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:50,599 Hill Investigation team still going. 24 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:51,599 Speaker 1: Strong, it is. 25 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've obviously been doing a lot of investigations since 26 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,319 we last spoke, so I want to get into them 27 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:02,599 with you shortly. But for people who don't know where 28 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:07,719 winter Hill is whereabouts in the UK? 29 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Are you right? We're north from Manchester. We Winterill is 30 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:25,759 burrowed with Blackburn and Darwin, Bolton, Charlie and pressed it 31 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,479 in a distance, But that's where we are. We're central 32 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,639 to all these towns and cities. 33 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: Okay, so Bolton, this is the big question. Greater Manchester 34 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:37,560 or Lancashire. 35 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:48,199 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I would sell Lancashire, but unfortunately my postcode 36 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,439 is a Greater Manchester. But I still put Lancashire when 37 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:55,800 I filled things out, and I still get post so 38 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:57,960 I would sell Lankashire on myself. 39 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: So old habits die. Yeah, what's what's the area like then? 40 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Because when winter Hill is quite, it's quite a bleak, 41 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:09,560 wind swept area, isn't. 42 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: That it is? Yeah, it's quite eye up. You've got 43 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:18,400 like moreland around that's really boggy, especially this time year. 44 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,240 You know, at the moment we've had nothing but rain, 45 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,000 so when I go up there, I've got wellies on 46 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,520 our boots and I still get wet up to my knees. Yeah, 47 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:32,800 it's really bad. In fact, the other last weekend I 48 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,280 was out and I sept in what I thought was 49 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,439 a puddle and it went right down to Missions and 50 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:42,479 I ended up getting stuck there and sort of wiggling 51 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,280 away back out of this puddle. So it is quite harsh. 52 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:50,919 This time. You're in summery it's not too bad. But 53 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:56,479 you've got the moorland and then that side where the earlies, 54 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,240 and then you go further down you've got like reservoirs 55 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:05,039 and so for wooded areas nearly said forests, and but 56 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,680 they're not big enough to be a forest, but they 57 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:11,879 are big forests the reservoirs going through them with this 58 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:13,080 ill poking up. 59 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: So it's quite quite a sort of diverse landscape. 60 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: Then oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's like I say, 61 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,480 in summer it's lovely. You get walkers out there, you know, 62 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:29,720 people on the bikes. You know, it's a well used 63 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,959 place until the sun goes there. 64 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,959 Speaker 3: And then it becomes a completely different, different sort of 65 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:41,439 so the the investigation team then the WINTERI investigation team. 66 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,199 When when did that start? How did it start? How 67 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,439 how did you get into all this neck. 68 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: Well, I was working on a case where we're having 69 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:59,759 a sheet deaths, and at the time that was happening, 70 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,560 we're getting other reports of other things happening UFOs, paranormal, 71 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:13,199 you know, like ghost apparitions, even things like an antlered 72 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:17,639 man going around one of the areas down there. So 73 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,839 not only was I looking into this case, which I 74 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:26,600 at the time was under the impression and I said 75 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,199 that was under the impression of it being a big cart. 76 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,480 Now it's sort of goingside with someone else because we're 77 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:39,000 getting sightings of other things being dog men, and we're 78 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,360 getting sightings of big cats now the sheep killings when 79 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,680 we're up there at this time, there was a lot 80 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:49,600 going on, and I decided to put a little team together, 81 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,720 and not many of us at that time, there was four. 82 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,720 We became quite good friends and we went out together 83 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,519 and did the investigations to other As time's gone on, 84 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,480 we've got more and more equipment. It's down to three now, 85 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,439 but we're still out there with the equipment. You know, 86 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:16,759 we've got infrared cameras, we have a thermal cameras, so 87 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:21,399 we're using all eye text stuff. Yeah, at the beginning, 88 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,920 we weren't it with us torches and going around there 89 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:29,519 and infrared binoculars. But as time's gone on, we've got 90 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:32,800 more and more equipment to help us while we're out 91 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:33,199 and about. 92 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: And right at the beginning then you were I remember 93 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:42,959 you talking about a carcass that you found way back 94 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,600 when you first started investigating what was going on up there. 95 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I interviewed two lads who came across this carcass. 96 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:55,560 Who was They were up there one evening having a 97 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:58,800 walk and one of them stepped into it. Now they 98 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,959 were walking without talk is at that time, it mustn't 99 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,800 have been that dark, and one of them stepped in. 100 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:10,399 Someone looked down in this awe looked like a sheep 101 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:17,160 that had been added stomach open, you know, and it 102 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,839 seemed as which ribs had been prized open as well, 103 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:25,759 and it was that fresh, it was still steaming. Now, 104 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:28,959 these lads at this point, they were looking around in 105 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,720 this awe, the sheep on top of a small little 106 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,959 like then clyde going up and they were like round 107 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,360 and one of them said that they looked terrified. They 108 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,680 they just wanted to get together, and the ad torches 109 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,279 on them, and what one of the lads put the 110 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,680 torch up. And as he put it up, and he 111 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,040 skimmed the area, and he said he saw a pair 112 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,199 of red eyes. Saw a red eye shine right, and 113 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,759 he quickly moved back, you know, it would like torch 114 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:08,199 on it. So the eye shine moved away and then 115 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,000 back again and it were gone. But he started moving 116 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:14,439 down into the reeds up there, which as you know 117 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,519 on a moorland these reads are maybe a foot eye. 118 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,480 And this got down there and then they got growder. 119 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,399 And at that point they went down to the road. 120 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,079 And as they were going down the road, whatever this was, 121 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,240 that crowd, it was moving from one side of the 122 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,559 road to the other. Now on the each side of 123 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:38,679 the road. It's bad why you're fencing and it's a 124 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:40,960 proper road that goes up to the mast up at 125 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,200 the top of a Winterill television mast up there. And 126 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:50,559 as they were going towards a van, this thing was 127 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:52,919 sort of like must have been jumping over the fencing 128 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,679 to get into the field on the other side. Go down, 129 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:00,159 grow them, jump back over onto the road onto the 130 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,200 other other side of the fence. On the other side, 131 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,159 and it followed him down and so they got to 132 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,440 the cars and disappeared. 133 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: So how how how's the fence? 134 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:17,039 Speaker 1: Roughly, I'd say it's about just over a meter a 135 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:18,000 meter and a half. 136 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: Right, so it's it's the first sized animal. 137 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,759 Speaker 1: Then that's just jumping, yeah, yeah, and he were doing 138 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,279 it without and you know it would just it was 139 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,960 so smooth as they were doing it, you know, just 140 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,600 ringing from one side to the other. 141 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: So I suspect them that they were quite share not 142 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:35,879 when they when they encountered. 143 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: This, well, definitely, yeah, one of them where he didn't 144 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,799 go up there again. I don't know if he's been 145 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:44,480 up there again because they've moved on since, so I 146 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,120 don't see him anymore. But I do know what the 147 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:50,639 time he spoke to me about it, and then he 148 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,759 got a bit bothered about speaking to me, excuse me 149 00:09:54,159 --> 00:10:00,639 about it, and he he ended up sort of going 150 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,840 on his own in the other fellow like I were 151 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:10,320 talking to him more about what we're going on, excuse me. Right. 152 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: So the interesting thing about that, of course, is the 153 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,159 color of the eyes that they mentioned, because if it 154 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,559 was a big cat, you wouldn't expect it to be 155 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:21,679 red eyes, would. 156 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: You You wouldn't know. No, definitely not because with the 157 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,240 cats you've got a sort of like greenish eye shine 158 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:33,519 or a yellowish eyes shine. Or if we don't have 159 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:39,159 anything in this country that's red eye shine, there are 160 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:42,919 in other country we've got owls that have red eyes, 161 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,200 but not in this country. So there's nothing no in 162 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,720 this country with red eye shine. 163 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,039 Speaker 3: So that sort of picture interest then with regards to 164 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:58,440 what's going on up there. So that's I mean, that's 165 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:00,440 been what quite a few years now, hasn't it. 166 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: That was that actually happened on the twenty fifth of 167 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,399 October twenty nineteen. 168 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,759 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so we've we've had a few years in between, 169 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,600 So what how's the investigation progressed? 170 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: Then? Well, it died out in the in twenty twenty 171 00:11:19,159 --> 00:11:24,639 in February after us coming across eleven sheep that had 172 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,679 all been killed in the same where, not only on 173 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:34,440 that field, but a field further over. We sort of 174 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:38,200 like it died down after that and nothing happened. We 175 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,919 tried talking to the farmers, who, as you know, they do, 176 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,639 don't want anything to do with anything like this, so 177 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,080 they just turned around and say, oh, it's a dog 178 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,960 and leave it at that and that's it. Excuse me? 179 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:59,720 And yeah, so from there on was with been up 180 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:03,440 there looking around. We've been going up there early mornings, 181 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:08,360 late at night, even having campouts in the wooded areas 182 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,360 where there's been other sightings. It's not us only looking 183 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:20,759 into the big cat or what most people this one's 184 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:24,200 the Beast of Bolton, which is a big cat that 185 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,120 has been sighted in and around Bolton. Right. Uh. And 186 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,240 then there's this one I termed the Beast of Winter iill, 187 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,600 which I think is more of a dog man type 188 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:43,360 creature because I've had two reports now maybe three where 189 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,279 they've actually seen this thing, one you know, a couple 190 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,720 of meters in front of them, and another one on 191 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:51,840 the other side of a wall. 192 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,879 Speaker 3: Right, So who were they? Who are the people that 193 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,000 saw this? 194 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,279 Speaker 1: We have a parent, a normal group who went to 195 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,320 a place called Liverpool Castle, which is down in Ribbington 196 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,600 at the bottom of Winter Hill. There's a reservoir with 197 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:18,039 it's a folly of a castle that Lorge Leaveew had 198 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,679 made to look like a castle from Liverpool. That's why 199 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,759 it's called Liverpool Castle. And they had gone down there. 200 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:28,720 Do you get a lot of paranormal investigators going down 201 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,960 there and seeing what what sort of activity they can 202 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:36,960 conjure up. And they'd gone down there without any anything 203 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,799 happening that night, but on the way back they bumped 204 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,919 into this thing. What had happened is two of them 205 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:52,200 were in on scooters, you know, the mobility scooters, because 206 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,399 you can get to Liverpool. The grounds a bit harsh, 207 00:13:56,519 --> 00:13:59,799 but you can actually get to the castle if you 208 00:13:59,879 --> 00:14:03,480 go on a scooter. And on the way back they 209 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:08,200 went along a path which was woods on one side 210 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,159 and then a line of woods with with the field 211 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,320 on the other side. And they were they were going 212 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:19,960 along gear and one of them got a little bit 213 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:23,000 stoked because I, like I said about the mud and 214 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,960 the paths up there, they're not very well kept, especially 215 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,679 that time. And what one of the felas came back 216 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,559 to album and give him a push. Now he came 217 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:38,039 down and said he had a funny feeling about the place. 218 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:43,240 He picked up this energy that just wasn't right. One 219 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:48,360 of the ladies who were who was in the scooter 220 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,279 on the scooter sorry, said she had panting coming from 221 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,200 behind her and she thought, oh, you know, it's another 222 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:00,840 dog walker. You know this sign when this was happening twilight, 223 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,200 so they were trying to get back to the cars 224 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,559 before it went full of death. So they thought, yeah, 225 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,879 another dog walker walking past. One moved to one side. 226 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,519 But as they moved to one side and turn round, 227 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:22,480 they saw this, this Alsatian looking dog man type creature 228 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,840 stood up on two legs, looking around a tree okay, 229 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:34,720 and watching them. And this sort of terrified them and 230 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,799 they were like trying to get out of there quickly. 231 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:39,600 Now the fellow who'd helped them to get out of 232 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:41,480 this puddle had moved on by them, so they were 233 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,519 only the two of them. The younger one who was 234 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,440 quite you know, she was absolutely terrified and it seemed 235 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,320 to pinpoint her, and I think it was because there 236 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:57,480 was more fear coming from her. And they said it 237 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,600 moved down on all fours and ran as they were 238 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,679 going along. It ran from tree to tree, following them, 239 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,759 not doing anything. It has followed them. So it stand 240 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,399 at a tree as they were going on it and 241 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,879 get down on all phones. Got it next tree. It's 242 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,559 sort of like lift itself up and watch them until 243 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,360 they got to the end. Now, when they got to 244 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,360 the end of this path, they felt the atmosphere had 245 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:23,279 suddenly changed and as they turned around, it wasn't there. 246 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:29,519 Speaker 3: Right, So it wasn't, for want of a better word, 247 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:32,480 it wasn't an Alsatian type dog or. 248 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,559 Speaker 1: You know, because when they said when it was stood up, 249 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:41,240 you can see the muscle in its arms. It didn't 250 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,799 have fron legs as a dog would, It had arms 251 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:51,559 and hands. They even spoke about the color of it 252 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:55,480 as well, like it was gray around the neck. 253 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: So as I mean, has this been seen on more 254 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,320 than one occasion or was this just was this just 255 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:04,200 a sort of one off. 256 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,559 Speaker 1: Well, there's been another witness who came forward who actually 257 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,480 saw it in twenty nineteen. He was coming he was 258 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:16,119 dropping his child off at a school around there near 259 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,079 a Ribbington, and he was driving down in a van. 260 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,680 Now there's a wall that runs along where he were 261 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,640 coming down, and because he was in a van, he 262 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,640 could see over this wall. Now his son who was 263 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,559 a bit further down, you know, because it was like 264 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,759 it was a nursery school, so he was away down 265 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:37,519 so he didn't see this, luckily enough. But he said 266 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,640 as he were going down past the swan and he 267 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:42,880 looked over, he said it was only about two or 268 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,880 three seconds and he saw this thing and he said 269 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:49,759 it was like a bulldog with a small back end, 270 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:57,279 massive arm, like massive front end. He said it it 271 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,319 was really weird looking as well. You know, it shook 272 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,039 him up a bit, and he said he just padded 273 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,359 from one side of the field right to the other. 274 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,519 And when I asked him about the size of it, 275 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:13,319 he said, you know, you're talking about the size of 276 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,359 a cow, right, and the width of a small renot, 277 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,680 I think he said at the time, right, he said, 278 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,519 it were massive and it just saw it running down 279 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,000 and he just like he looked at you some sort 280 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:30,279 of thing and he looked at it and he didn't 281 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:33,000 want say anything to his son. You didn't want frighten him. No, 282 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,480 But that was that was yeah, twenty nineteen, at the 283 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:39,680 same time as we're having the eat sheet kills as well. 284 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: Right, did you think that was possibly the same or 285 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,160 a different sighting to the to the first one that 286 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:48,799 you mentioned. 287 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: I think it was the same creature because it was 288 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:59,839 just on the opposite side of this reservoir, which isn't it. 289 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,400 You know, it's not even half a mile this reservoir, 290 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:06,799 you know, in the middle, it's not half a mile 291 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,759 but the you know, you're talking about a mile long. 292 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: So do you think I think it has a territory 293 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,599 then do you think it's that sort of area where well. 294 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,279 Speaker 1: I think it could have or it were passing through 295 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,319 or are we seeing something that could be almost inter dimensional? 296 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:28,759 I'm unsure. 297 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that, actually, yeah, 298 00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:33,720 about whether or not you thought it was it was 299 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:37,759 possibly moving in and out rather than it being sort 300 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:39,319 of well, I believe. 301 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:42,799 Speaker 1: But I think more of that when it comes to 302 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,400 this dog man siting, especially the first one, because the 303 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,039 atmosphere there was. They explain it has been in a 304 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:55,559 bubble as well, you know, a bubble of quiet, of silence, 305 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,720 and everything was sort of happening to them in that 306 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,039 small bubble at that time. But it's in that end 307 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,640 of that path, the birds, you know what, you would 308 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,119 hear it in summer, at the end of the evening 309 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,319 going down all the noise. 310 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 3: That's interesting it because you get a lot of a 311 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,440 lot of people who have UFO experiences also talk about 312 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,880 a similar phenomena where they are just in a bubble 313 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:32,000 of absolute quiet. They can't hear anything at all apart 314 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:35,240 from the noise that whatever the craft or whatever it 315 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,519 is they've scenes making. 316 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean. 317 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,559 Speaker 3: Are there a lot of either UFO sightings up there 318 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,680 as well? Do you think do you think the two 319 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:45,240 could possibly be linked? 320 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I do think they do. I think it's 321 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:52,480 a it's a place of ice, strangeness. There's a lot 322 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,480 of strange things going on there. I do get UFO sightings, 323 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,160 paranormal sightings, don't. Man, Bigfoot not far away from the 324 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,200 followed this this green corridor which you've got winter Hill 325 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,400 in the middle and he goes over towards towards Wigan 326 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,680 going to the east and then northeast you've got Blackburn 327 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:23,319 and going going towards Pendule and you yeah, and you 328 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,720 know these sightings are big Foot on either side of 329 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:27,720 winter from that. 330 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:30,559 Speaker 3: You've got me worried, now mate. 331 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think they're on the way to you. 332 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,240 I think they probably are. 333 00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:38,799 Speaker 3: No, it's funny actually, because there have been there have 334 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,200 been sightings, are such I'm aware of, although I stand corrected. 335 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,799 If there have been sightings, I'm sure, I'm sure they have. 336 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,960 But I know there's there's been possible big cat sightings 337 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,359 in the area around here, and obviously going over towards 338 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,079 Tommerdan as well. I mean there was there was the 339 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:01,480 one a few years ago that that made the national news, 340 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:10,440 the one that Albert came across the carcass. So the yeah, 341 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,119 I mean Tommendhen. Not only is it Ufo central, but 342 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,559 it's also it seems to be big cat central as well. 343 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,480 So I mean these animals must have a big range. 344 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,839 It's as simple as that, because they obviously need they 345 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,559 need a big range to be able to hunt in, 346 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,160 don't they. 347 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: Well do know they can, they can, but they don't. 348 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,920 But they can go up to about thirty miles and 349 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,240 the issues are about fifteen miles that they do. As 350 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:50,119 a territory. The one around Bolton, I think it stays 351 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:56,200 within the Green Corridor arede Bolton itself, and I do 352 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,319 believe it's that one that has been up Winterill. I 353 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,519 think with that happening in twenty nineteen, I think it 354 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:12,079 was that because this it gets spotted it since two 355 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,880 yeah it sece two thousand. It's been spotted so many 356 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:23,279 times around the outskirts of Bolton. We've got found with 357 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:26,480 so that's the south side of Boulton. And then we 358 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:31,680 got up in Winterill where I'm looking into it. Just recently, 359 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:35,319 there's been a sighting or a so called sighting with 360 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,240 somebody who a video with it. I went up to 361 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,559 the up to the area where this happened. This was 362 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,680 in a few local papers, and as I looked around 363 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,960 the area and I sort of like looked at the 364 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,160 video and found out where it was. When I looked 365 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,079 at the I mean, it looks convincing when you look 366 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,839 at it, but when you're actually there and you see 367 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,039 the item, the tought to grass and it's etched, do 368 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,519 you see that it's only a few inches off the 369 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,960 ground A domestic car. 370 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, Sometimes perspective can play can play tricks car't it? 371 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,599 Speaker 1: Definitely? You know? 372 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: So there have been quite a lot of photographs there 373 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000 over the years from from all over the work where 374 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:28,119 they're obviously smaller, smaller cats, domestic cats, I mean even 375 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,920 feral domestic cats if you know what I mean. You know, 376 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:35,519 you sort of tabby sized cat that could be feral. 377 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,240 But then again, I am a great believer in the 378 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,240 fact that there are some bigger cats out there. 379 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: I will say that there is one hundred percent because 380 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:53,880 over a month ago I actually saw okay, not where 381 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,160 I'm looking as well. In the area it was i'd 382 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,680 say a two few seconds of a glimpse of it. 383 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:07,200 We were going in the car around this wooded area 384 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,920 we were we were actually heading over to Luke at 385 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,400 the sighting where this had been put in the newspaper, 386 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:17,559 okay in this video had been put online. And as 387 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,119 we were going down, all of a sudden, I noticed, 388 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,400 you know, the light colored tubans he put around saplings. 389 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,400 I know, he sat out at corner and I and 390 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:34,960 I thought, you know, like as we were driving along, 391 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,799 and as we got round in the trees started moving 392 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,240 out and it became more open. I saw it stood 393 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,160 there looking towards his tree line right. And at the 394 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:51,440 time they were my partner and another lad with me. 395 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,880 You probably know him, I Alum from my talk cryptids. 396 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,799 He was with me at the time. And I just 397 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,880 sort of like saying shouting stop, stop, stop the car, 398 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,640 you know, and I got out, jumped over this little 399 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,119 stream and went run. As I got there, I noticed 400 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,799 it had gone. But we I went down towards stream, 401 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720 thinking it might go that way towards it's wooded earlier 402 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,119 Alan went the other way and went up. Well, we 403 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,680 never spotted it, but what we did come across was 404 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,160 the back end of a deer that was left there. 405 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:34,039 So at the moment, for the past for four weeks now, 406 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,480 I've been up there, I've been looking around the area. 407 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:42,400 I've been documenting. I've got trail cameras up there. I 408 00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:48,519 did swap the the memorycare over in one and nothing 409 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:51,559 there was me going there putting the camera up and 410 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,119 me coming picking it up. So I need to move 411 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,400 that one there and put it somewhere else. So I'm 412 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,839 active in that area at the moment where I saw 413 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,119 are so one hundred percent. Yeah, I would say there's 414 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:05,680 there's big cats in the UK. 415 00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: Have you picked up any any any tracks then up 416 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,319 there of anything that you think is particularly weird in 417 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:17,960 that area? 418 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,759 Speaker 1: Not yet, No, But you're talking an area of a 419 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:27,559 wooded area which is about a mile squared. You've got 420 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,759 moreland on either side, the water sources, you know, this 421 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,039 ponds up there. There's all sorts. But it's like I said, 422 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,759 like me saying, you know, saying me a month to 423 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,240 patch out one little area. I've got loans to do. 424 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,079 You know, it can take me up to two months 425 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,160 to do it doing it on my own with the team. 426 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,160 We're going to be going to different areas and looking, 427 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,680 you know, having an area to look into while someone's 428 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,519 looking somewhere else, until we eventually do that and find 429 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:03,799 something there. Yeah. 430 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:06,759 Speaker 3: So have there been any sightings then of the Beast 431 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:11,119 of Bolts and any any sort of very five sightings 432 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,720 over the years. 433 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've got Sorry, you'll have to just be 434 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:28,680 with me. I've got ideas. Sub Yeah. So when it 435 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:34,480 started in in two thousand, it was seen. We've had 436 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:38,680 eleven reported sightings of it. And these are all newspaper 437 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,640 sightings where people have come forward, So I don't know 438 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,920 these other I mean, I've not been to the newspaper 439 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,640 with my sighting, so I take it we've had more 440 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,960 than eleven. Yeah. 441 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Plus you tend to find the newspapers are a 442 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,640 bit they're a bit sort of glib, aren't they about 443 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,359 these Yeah? 444 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean you've got you know, yeah, 445 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,720 they talk about it and then they just give it 446 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:09,200 a little bit and that's it. You know, we've got 447 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,920 names and we've got where these places are. And like 448 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,920 I said, it looks us or you know, it's from 449 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,319 there to twenty and seventeen where We've had these eleven 450 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,079 sightings and then all of a sudden that disappears, right. 451 00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:29,200 I think that's why twenty seventeen onwards around winter all 452 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,759 that's where it's been. I think founder place where it's 453 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,799 away from people and it's you know, it keeps itself 454 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,440 to itself. 455 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:44,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. Or perhaps it's a different one. Maybe there was 456 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:50,480 a family group, maybe one's yeah, perhaps breeding, yeah, because 457 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,160 obviously you know you're going to have to have a 458 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,039 breeding population, aren't you. Yeah, these sort of sightings have 459 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,519 been all over the country for year years, aren't they 460 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,319 really going back to you know, going back to pre war. 461 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:10,519 Speaker 1: So yeah, since I've had my sight and I've been 462 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,680 talking to a few people about it, I've had a 463 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,359 lot of people like, you know, like I were talking 464 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,200 to Steve Mihur about it, and he was saying he 465 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:25,839 in Salford has seen two walking on the railway lines 466 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:26,799 around them areas. 467 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,279 Speaker 3: So a question him then, because I'm talking to him 468 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,000 next week, so I'll question him about those. 469 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And he was saying, you know, they can 470 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,640 move around the railway system, you know, if the if 471 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,400 a train's coming, they'll just get out of where. Yeah, 472 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,359 and then they'll just carry on. But I think the 473 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,440 biggest obstacle really the roads. 474 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and if if they find a food source, 475 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,519 then they'll just they'll just stay with that, won't they. 476 00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,759 Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, yeah, Well they're quiet it when it comes 477 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:06,039 to food. You know, you'll get them eating even small 478 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,640 things like rodents and living raudents and that you do 479 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:13,000 here replaces, you know, like every so often where well 480 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,839 there's cats missing and dogs are missing, you know, because 481 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,079 he will feed on other cats and dogs. 482 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. There's many a time where all 483 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,279 let our dogs out at night and actually go and 484 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,079 stand out there with a torch because at a hundred 485 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:32,519 percent people feel safe out here because you know, it's 486 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,519 quite rural out here, and you know, we're fairly close 487 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:40,359 to Pendle Hill, and there's there's been sightings and you know, 488 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,400 audible growls and and you know cats screams and all 489 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,920 sorts of stuff that that could very easily be you know, 490 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,680 be a large cat or a population of law Yeah. 491 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm saying here we've got winter and we've 492 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,039 got all all the the flat field around it sort 493 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:06,640 of thing. And then where I am in twenty nineteen, 494 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,359 I don't know if you've heard of the app coder. 495 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,559 I think it's all next door, right, and it's it's 496 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,839 like a Facebook AP and it's a local app and 497 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,119 you sort of like go on to your area and 498 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,720 you can see what's going on around your area. And 499 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,079 in nineteen I was saying about six or seven people 500 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,039 saying that the cats have gone missing, right okay, And 501 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,799 it was at the time I was looking into this 502 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,880 as well, and it was making me wonder, well, you know, 503 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,920 is this the same thing? Because we're winterill? Is I 504 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,279 money at the bottom? You know? There is you sort 505 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,599 of come out of my doorway and walk across the 506 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,720 road and follow that road up and you're on the moors, 507 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,960 you know, So it could easily in the ab been 508 00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:59,279 known to come down to areas where people. 509 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,599 Speaker 3: Are take domestic animalitude. 510 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: And domestic animals yeah, you know, going in bins. 511 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 512 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 513 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: People blame foxes, but they may not necessarily be true 514 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,240 doing it. What about UFOs then? What what what sort 515 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,240 of sightings of have been in and around the area, 516 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,359 because like you said, there may well be a sort 517 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,000 of correlation between the two. 518 00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:30,759 Speaker 1: The latest one was actually a video that was sent 519 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,960 to me and it were lights over a canopy of trees, 520 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,119 and it was in the shape of a triangle over 521 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,200 these trees. It was foggy, and they stood there for 522 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,640 about half an hour taking this video. Well, no, they 523 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,240 stood there for half an hour. Then they decided to 524 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,880 take a video of about a minute long, which is 525 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,519 on my YouTube channel as well. Hm. Sorry, I've got 526 00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:08,320 to tickle again. And they they got they got this 527 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:14,000 video of these lights over this canopy. I've been around 528 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,159 the area as well myself, looking around that area, and 529 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,400 I've gone behind the canopy of the trees to see 530 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,800 whether the land rises higher, you know, in case it 531 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,280 was someone up there with a with a eye torch beam. 532 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,960 But it's all flat in the area where it is. 533 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:36,039 You can't get to there's no public pathways going to it. 534 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:41,480 It's like just proper moreland where you can't get behind. Now, 535 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,559 when I got this and and I put it up 536 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,599 on the channel, I went up there looking around the area. 537 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,840 Somebody else got in touch with me and said, what 538 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,320 one evening while they were running jogging area. Just on 539 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,280 the other side, you've got where that happened. You've got 540 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,199 the canopy of trees, and then you've got an ill 541 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,079 that goes down and then over to a place called 542 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:16,519 Tackles and Darwin. You've got Darwin Tower, which is a 543 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,599 monument on top of this hill, and then further down 544 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,760 there you have a little reservoir. And they were running 545 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:30,679 down down this well this road, jogging in that area. 546 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,800 And it was a fellow that he touched me. He said, 547 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,719 what had happened was his friend was talking to him 548 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,280 if he were running around running down this area, and 549 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,679 he says, don't laugh at me. But me and my 550 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,519 other friend were running down here and we saw a 551 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:54,480 craft coming out of this reservoir over him for a second, 552 00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:58,840 and then it shot off towards Winterill. Now, when you 553 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,800 look at that, and you look at where these lights 554 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,159 were and where this reservoir off and going towards Winterill, 555 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,679 you're on this path that takes you from the reservoir 556 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,320 to this canopy of trees where these lights were seen. 557 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,000 This happened not at the same time, It happened quite 558 00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:20,840 a while before. But I'm thinking, if there's something in 559 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,119 this area coming out of this reservoir and it's going 560 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,039 in that direction, perhaps this is what she caught on 561 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:28,599 the camera. 562 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it actually came out of the water did it. 563 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he said. It came out obvious for just 564 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,559 a second. Yeah, and then it just shot off really quick. 565 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,079 Speaker 3: And it wasn't sort of. 566 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:46,119 Speaker 1: Marsh gas or I can't imagine around there because we're 567 00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:51,280 not far from the die Win, the town itself, the 568 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,400 road that in you're there at the reservoir. I can't 569 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920 imagine any you know, he said it was. It was 570 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:05,559 a craft, right, And not only that. When we went 571 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,920 up there, we went looking around the area. We do 572 00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,119 we sort of when I get these reports. I'll go 573 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,320 during the day and i'll go at night as well, 574 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,320 open to tea somewhere really, but when when we went 575 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:27,440 up there in the evening, we had this strange feeling 576 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:33,440 that someer was watching us. And I don't know yourself, 577 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,840 you know, you pick up on these as all this 578 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,280 summit they were watching you, And it was only it 579 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,119 was only for about ten fifteen minutes, but there was 580 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,239 that feeling that there was someone watching. But when we 581 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,760 went back to the same area, it had completely gone 582 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,599 and everything we're back to normal. Yeah. 583 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: Well, I mean Tockoles is an area, as you said, 584 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,679 just outside sort of it was Blackburn. It's it's on 585 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,320 the edge of Blackburn and Bolton, really, isn't it. It's yeah, 586 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,320 it's quite quite sort of rural. I do seem to 587 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,400 remember a fairly famous UFO sighting in on a farm 588 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,079 in that area. 589 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah it was. 590 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:25,199 Speaker 3: That was what going back to was it nineteen early 591 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,840 nineteen eightes, I think something. 592 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,679 Speaker 1: Like eighty nine, was it nine? Yeah, I think around 593 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,199 that time. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny should mention that because 594 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,960 we're saying that this is in the same area the 595 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,800 Murphy's farm. Okay, of the Murphy case, Phiel, It's not 596 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,119 Murphy's farm. He was a farm man at the time. 597 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,880 He was. I think he went out into and he 598 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,840 saw UFO in the cattle. 599 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:52,559 Speaker 3: That's right. 600 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, then he. 601 00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 3: Let get back into the fire most yeah. Yeah. 602 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,079 Speaker 1: And then if you talk to about this, he'll tell 603 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,920 you that east this Murphy and his family completely disappeared 604 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,280 and there's much race of them. We don't know where 605 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,760 they've gone, but in that exact area. I've had quite 606 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,440 a few sightings within that gear. I think I spoke 607 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:23,719 about it last time. We've run about the the lights 608 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,480 that were seen in the woods and little alien beings 609 00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:32,079 around a triangle craft, right okay, that somebody had seen 610 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:36,599 when they were going past that area. Since I had 611 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,760 a phantom black dog that stepped out into the road 612 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:48,440 out of that farm area, right, they thought they knocked 613 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,360 it over. They didn't hear a bang, but they thought 614 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,760 they knocked it over. They got out a car ad 615 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,039 a look around. Car was okay, But she did because 616 00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,840 she was a passenger in the car. It was a 617 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:06,039 husband who was driving, and she said, the luke of 618 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:11,559 this dog didn't seem natural, right, It just didn't loot 619 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,239 right at all. She wouldn't want to see it ever again. 620 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:18,800 It sort of appeared from nowhere, stepped in front of 621 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,800 the car. They thought they did it, and they actually 622 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,920 went into the wooded hurry to have a loot round 623 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,920 to see whether it had gone into Yeah, but no, 624 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,039 nothing of that came. 625 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 3: About that, So that that was sorry. 626 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:33,079 Speaker 1: So that was. 627 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 3: A spectral dog as opposed to a sort of physical dog. 628 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,639 Speaker 1: Man. She thought it were physical, right, But it just 629 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,599 disappeared as it stepped out in front of the car. 630 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,440 Like I said, there was snow bang, But she thought 631 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,639 she did it and it would just not there. 632 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 3: And did did she describe it in any similar way 633 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,920 to to the sightings that you talked about before about 634 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,159 the sort of. 635 00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: Straight no, that that's it. She didn't know it was. 636 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 3: Just the dog any fact, imagined. 637 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:16,199 Speaker 1: A Dobleman book twice as big and twice as wide 638 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,800 face that almost leaps intelligent, you know, as someone knew 639 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,360 what it was doing. 640 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 3: I suppose if if she only sort of got a 641 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,800 very quick glimpse of it, it would be difficult to 642 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,519 sort of describe it in detail, wasn't that. Yeah, so 643 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,800 it could have been the same, It. 644 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,159 Speaker 1: Could have been, but yeah, I mean it has been 645 00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,679 known to just disappear onto you know the I don't know, 646 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,000 Liverpool Castle, Yeah, you know, the turning and it was gone. 647 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,039 Speaker 3: So any other UFO sightings in the area. 648 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well when I looking into that case, I went 649 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,960 into that actual area so round, and I came across 650 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,639 a couple of wild campers who was sort of like, 651 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,000 we did find a footprint, and it was quite large. 652 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,440 I don't know whether it was a soil, because you know, 653 00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,719 with the dog print and it's a soil. If it's 654 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,159 so soft, it we'll like expand it to make it 655 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,440 loose bigger it was. But when I took the measurements 656 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,199 and I looped back. It was the same size as 657 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,840 what the it was described as a die wolf size footprint, 658 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,760 but again it could have been the expansion of the soil. 659 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,559 And I was going to go back and get a 660 00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:50,840 plaster of Paris of this, but because it's a well 661 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,840 treaded area, there were footprints in there. But as we 662 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,039 went in there, we came across these campers who said 663 00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,960 one evening they were in there and they were. 664 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,559 Speaker 3: Just just. 665 00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:12,039 Speaker 1: Sat renk fire, having something eat and a set of 666 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:16,119 lights just came over the canopy of the trees, very slow, 667 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:22,360 no noise, but it just went over and sort of 668 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,480 went into towards winter elm. I asked them what did 669 00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:30,360 they do? You know, did you not go looking? Did 670 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,719 you not like take any photos or anything like that, 671 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880 And they said no, we just carried on eating. But 672 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,400 it would have strange that it was so quiet and 673 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,760 it just went over top of them. 674 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 3: And strangeingly then that it didn't piaque their interest a 675 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,159 bit more. 676 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,679 Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, I mean you get some people out there 677 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,199 that I go around there a lot, and if I'm 678 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,760 out there with me equipment or if I'm filming or 679 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,480 doing anything in that area, and people take an interest, 680 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,320 So come over and talk to me, you know, the 681 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,480 usual what you're doing, why you're doing it sort of thing, 682 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,000 and then I explain, you know, like what I do, 683 00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:14,440 giving me details, ask them about you know, they've had 684 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,320 anything strange happening to them, and you'll get a lot. 685 00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:20,199 I get a lot of stories back that way, you 686 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,000 know it. It's quite good getting out there and getting 687 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,400 these fast and witness accounts from people who they said 688 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,360 it blue come out with it. They tell you about it, 689 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,519 what happened. You can see the sincere her. I mean 690 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,599 they don't that's it. They just go away and you know, 691 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,119 like you're separate and carry on doing what you're doing. 692 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,119 And yeah, yeah, you know, like within the area totals. 693 00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,960 When I'm out there, there's quite a lot of walkers 694 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,719 in that area, so tell us a few things. 695 00:44:54,199 --> 00:45:01,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, so sort of big cat sightings or weirder things 696 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:02,360 than that, maybe, yeah. 697 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of the UFO sightings lights. I've 698 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:14,440 had a one where there was another wild camper who 699 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:18,000 was out there who ended up packing up and going 700 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,960 on because he said they were like shadow men watching 701 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:25,360 him around her trees. Right one manute, there'd been one 702 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,239 part of the area and then the next you know, 703 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,639 as he looks to another area, they're there, does shadows 704 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,360 and just disappearing in front of his eyes. 705 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,159 Speaker 3: What about Rivington Pike, That's that's had quite a lot 706 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,079 of UFO sightings, hasn't it over the years. Yeah. 707 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,760 Speaker 1: He had a one fellow who got in touch with 708 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,920 me who'd been up You were up there when he 709 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,800 was a kid, about five, and he with his older 710 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,039 brother and his dad. His mum had been in hospital 711 00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:00,960 or Blackburn hospital, and on the way over the dad 712 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,880 ha taking him for a ride up near the pike 713 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,679 and they've gone out of Karen, had a walk round 714 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:13,480 and as they were walking from the pike up towards 715 00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:22,159 Winterill itself, towards a mast, he said he he and 716 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,920 his brother and his father, who was a military he 717 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,079 was in the military at the time, said that this 718 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,960 craft came along sort of like stopped and offered for 719 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,320 a bit. He said he was about the same size 720 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:43,400 as a Volkswagen Beetle and it just shot off. And 721 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,519 he always remembers at that early age his father turning 722 00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,800 around to him and says, whatever, you know, whatever you 723 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,119 whenever you talk about this in the future, remember that 724 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,000 he actually did see it, and don't take any notice 725 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,519 of what other people are going to say about it. 726 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,639 Speaker 3: So do you think, I mean, why do you think 727 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,360 it's such a hotbed of activity? Then around that area 728 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,559 do you think the I think the radio masks have 729 00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:09,320 got anything. 730 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:11,599 Speaker 1: To do with it. It could be the radio mask, 731 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,320 it could be the quartes underneath the grind, because there's 732 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,599 a lot of quarts around there, and there's a lot 733 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:21,039 of minds under there as well. So if you've got 734 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,199 I mean, we know we use quotes in watches, and 735 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,360 we actually use it within the electrical stuff. When it's 736 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,280 compressed so much it'll give off a bit of energy. 737 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,719 Or if you've got quotes underneath there and you've got 738 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,679 in mind that it's going to collapse on top of that, 739 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,719 it's going to pressurize it and you're going to get 740 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,960 some sort of energy from it. Only that we've got 741 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,280 as their sacred site. So there we're layer lines running 742 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,719 through which I believe help towards this area. We have 743 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,719 warm not far on the north side of winterill Over 744 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,159 in the Angle's Eye area, going towards Charlie, we have 745 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,920 an area they called round Loaf, which is an all 746 00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:11,920 burial mound, right, the Olythic burial mound. It's never been excavating. 747 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:17,880 But looking into that area, I've found that we've got 748 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,880 over twenty different laylines coming from that area going through 749 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,280 all these areas, and from there we've got it going 750 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,719 through Winterill and through the actual field where all the 751 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,880 sheet carcasses were found as well. 752 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,559 Speaker 3: Okay, no, that's interesting. So so you think there could 753 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:39,360 be lines of energy which are sort of converging on 754 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,639 the area, and that's what's that's what's causing all of this, 755 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,360 this this weirdness going on. 756 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 1: So, yeah, because on the opposite side where we were 757 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,920 just talking about with the Murphy's case and the things 758 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,559 that I've had around there, we've got that from Round Loaf, 759 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,280 We've got another line going straight through that. Yeah. 760 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:04,519 Speaker 3: Right, so we've got to go how come it's never 761 00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:06,840 been excavated that area? 762 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,039 Speaker 1: Then? 763 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,039 Speaker 3: Have you any idea why? 764 00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: I think it's the area it's actually in, it's very 765 00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:15,599 very hard to get to. It's so boggie. It's there 766 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,559 is a few paths going to it, which at this 767 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,920 time of year is hard to get to in summer. 768 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,679 It's fine if they were gonna if they were gonna 769 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960 excavate the area. I think the best time really would 770 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,760 be in summer. Not far from there, we've got another one, 771 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,159 another burial area calleder Pip Stones. Right is a long 772 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,719 barrow which is one of the only long barrows outside 773 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,599 of the Cotswolds for some reason, is up here right 774 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:44,559 there in that area. 775 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 3: That's interesting because there is there is a Neolithic burial 776 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:51,159 site right on the top of Pendle Hill. 777 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, there isn't the Yeah, yeah. 778 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,079 Speaker 3: I always find really weird. 779 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you've got actually you've got two like well 780 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,800 more than about three lines going through Pendal Yeah. Yeah, 781 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,679 but the class is the spine of Albion line going 782 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,159 through it, which liver or is it. And then you've 783 00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:12,039 got another one which goes through the center. And then 784 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,960 you've got the one that goes from the east coast 785 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,360 to the west coast. 786 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the intersect all around Pendal Hill. 787 00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:21,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. 788 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,039 Speaker 3: I just find it strange that that, you know, they 789 00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:29,159 would they would carry a body up, you know, a 790 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:35,199 very steep sided hill for you know, it's probably well 791 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,159 it's it's two thousand feet above sea levels, so it's 792 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,280 it's high up just just to bury your body up there, 793 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,199 so it was either somebody who was really important or 794 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,239 it's a really important site, you know. 795 00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:54,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the importance of these what could have 796 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,599 been tribe leaders at the time. Like I said with Angles, 797 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:03,480 you've got Tackles at the other side of Angele's Ark 798 00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,599 where round Wharf is. And sometimes I do think whether 799 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,599 round Wolf has something to do with a chieftain who 800 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,880 was maybe buried there all talk, because we have in 801 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,639 a church yard over there there's a stone called top Stone, 802 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,719 which is too an old chieftain or king at the 803 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,760 time around the Tockles area. Now talk would have been 804 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,719 his name in the area it is and it's like 805 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,159 an old so it would have been Tackles. That could 806 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,840 have been his burial mound. That could be the important 807 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,119 point where he is. But for all these lay lines 808 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,760 go into this area, you know, he must have been 809 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,360 a well known chieftain at the time to be buried 810 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,639 in that that area. 811 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there must be some something to do with then, 812 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,960 with energy or the special significance importance of the area, 813 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,039 which is all sort of adding up to what's going 814 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:16,199 on around there at the minute. 815 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean it's it's been going on 816 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,280 quite a long time. I mean before I even started 817 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,159 doing my research around Winterial. You had steam Mira doing 818 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,000 research around there, Chris Turner going out there doing Israel 819 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,679 research around the area before runs that. I don't know, 820 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,599 there might have been other people, you know, because there's 821 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,800 cases going back up in the nineteen fifties around that area. 822 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 3: So so sightings of strange creatures or UFOs are both. 823 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: Well. There was one on the east sorry, the west 824 00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:05,400 side of Winterill near the pike itself, and there's an 825 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,119 house called the Sportsman's Cottage. It used to be a 826 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,800 pub right a lot you know, in the eighteen hundreds, 827 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,719 and it was well known for being really roading. It 828 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,880 ended up closing down. And this is the middle of nowhere, 829 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,719 so I don't know these these roading makers were. 830 00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,559 Speaker 3: It was it on a sort of like a packorch 831 00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:27,639 road or something like that. 832 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, yeah, it was what I 833 00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,360 think was one of the main rules went from Belmont 834 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,000 Over to Rivington at one time. 835 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,119 Speaker 3: So coaching then, yeah, yeah. 836 00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: Now, in nineteen fifty I felt an ex policeman retired 837 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,000 from the police force in Liverpool ended up buying it 838 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:56,840 and moving into that house, and his son actually got 839 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,239 in touch with a fellow who was writing a book 840 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,599 on the area called Dave Lane and it's called The 841 00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:06,360 Winterhill scrap Book. And he wrote a letter to say 842 00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,039 that he remembers when he was a child, his grandfather, 843 00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:13,800 who was his policeman, moved into that with his wife 844 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,119 and he was staying over and he said he remembers 845 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:20,559 waking up in the morning and his grandfather turning around 846 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,159 telling him to pack his stuff up. They packed their 847 00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:27,599 own case up and they left and went back to Liverpool. 848 00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,320 Because when he went to the toilet during the night, 849 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,760 he looked out of the window and saw something that 850 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,440 frightening that much he left the area. 851 00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:37,800 Speaker 3: But he never said what it was. 852 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,119 Speaker 1: He'd say he ended up passing on and never passed, 853 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,480 you know, like what had happened? 854 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,320 Speaker 3: Wow, So it could have been anything, and yeah, he 855 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,760 could have been obviously frighten. The will is out of him. 856 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 857 00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 3: Interesting, So working people, because you've got YouTube channel, haven't you. 858 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I've got a YouTube channel and the website both. 859 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:12,079 Mitt McLaren. The website to Mit McLaren dot com. If 860 00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,039 you go on to there, it'll take you to all 861 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,880 the social media and everything that's out there. 862 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just looking at your YouTube channel on 863 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,639 my other screen over here. Plenty of stuff on there, 864 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:32,159 some really interesting videos. Big Cat sighted on angles art more. 865 00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, that's an interesting one. That was a 866 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,719 fellow who got in touch with me and he was 867 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,159 he's a photographer and this was in twenty twelve and 868 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,519 he went up there to do a bit photography after 869 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,400 working really early in morning, and he would have taken 870 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,639 forth his turn around and so this black panther do 871 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,920 just looking at him, give him a quick growl or 872 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,199 grunt and walked off. Right. 873 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,320 Speaker 4: Interesting, There's not there's not a right lot you can 874 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,679 say to that. Really, I would imagine that that will 875 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,920 be quite quite a shock if you turn around and 876 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,639 saw something like yeah, earlier in the morning, Well that's brilliant. 877 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,639 So yeah, so you've got YouTube channel on your website. 878 00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,159 I'd just urge people to go along and have a 879 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:27,280 look because there's some really interesting videos on there and 880 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,400 having to quit quick. Look at your YouTube now and 881 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,159 I had a look at it last night and there's 882 00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:32,360 some really interesting. 883 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 3: Videos on there, so so yeah, keep keep up the 884 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,320 good work, Mike. It's it's a fascinating subject. It's a 885 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,760 really interesting area and I'm sure that there will be 886 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,400 more stuff happening in future, and hopefully you'll you'll get 887 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,559 some some really good evidence going forward. 888 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully we will. And yeah, we've we don't only 889 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,639 do winter all at the moment. We do spread out, 890 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,760 so we end up going here, you know, up and 891 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,960 down the country. I mean, Somerset in the summer. I'm 892 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,199 going to a conference when I'm meeting up with a 893 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,559 few people who I've been like sort of talking to 894 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,599 about a case I'm working on in Kendle, a big 895 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,039 cat case something there, right, And. 896 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,719 Speaker 3: What's going on in Somerset? Is there anything? Is there 897 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,360 any sightings down there? In Sunset? 898 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,559 Speaker 1: You can inter Yeah. I mean there's a young lad 899 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:34,519 who's doing this conference who came across some DNA evidence 900 00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:36,840 of a big foot which has been put in the newspaper, 901 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,559 saying that it's I think it was ninety nine points 902 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:51,800 nine percent a monkey. 903 00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah all right, interesting that So it's, like I said, 904 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,519 a gorilla type Yeah, yeah, hmm. Interesting. 905 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:02,079 Speaker 1: Right. 906 00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:04,199 Speaker 3: Well, it's been brilliant talking to you, Mick. Thanks very much, 907 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,199 thanks for coming on. Like I say, I urge people 908 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:08,840 to go and have a look at your YouTube channel 909 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,280 and your website and yeah, good luck with your investigations 910 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:13,920 going forward. 911 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 1: Thanks and it's been a pleasure talking. 912 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 3: No worries. Thanks, make take care you later. You can 913 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,800 visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant dot co 914 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,440 dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return, and remember to keep 915 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:30,440 watching the shadows.