WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.320 We're live today at beer Bar right downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:07.280 Great Sausages and Burgers, about one hundred and thirty beers 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.839 on tap, another forty to fifty Canon bottled. 4 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:14.679 Beers non alcoholic options for those of you who don't drink. 5 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.239 It's oddly crowded on this Wednesday. 6 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.879 I think people are either celebrating or drowning their sorrows. 7 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:24.559 We have tailgate passes for the Utah BYU tailgate coming 8 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:25.519 up on Saturday. 9 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:27.440 Let's do some more college football. 10 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:29.800 Always enjoy my time with my next guest, the Great 11 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.479 Josh Pate from Josh Pat's College Football Show on a 12 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:35.920 Wednesday afternoon. Josh, Happy Wednesday, buddy, how are we doing? 13 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.359 I'm good. I assume that there are a multitude of 14 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:42.479 reasons for people to be on edge out there and 15 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:44.560 gearing up for this weekend if I'm. 16 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:48.479 Not mistaken, Yes, certainly, and obviously, Josh. Last night, we're 17 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:51.759 all sitting in front of our TVs. We're nervous about 18 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:53.759 the results that are going to roll in. We see 19 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.560 state by state by state by state, and then it's 20 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.759 revealed that BYU comes in at nine. See, you thought 21 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:01.359 I was doing an election thing, and I wasn't doing 22 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:05.000 an election thing. I was doing a CFP ranking thing. 23 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.840 So a lot of people around here wondering BYU at 24 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.519 nine with a resume that you could argue is better 25 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:14.760 than Indiana at eight, and maybe even Penn States at six. 26 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:17.840 I mean, BYU is undefeated. They have two top twenty wins. 27 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.519 There are number four in strength of schedule. What's the 28 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.680 Josh Pate take on BYU coming in at nine last night? 29 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.120 I thought they'd be higher. Honestly, I think they should 30 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.519 be higher. I mean, I mean as much as as 31 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.879 much as I personally like the traffic in the way 32 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.879 I stack teams based on a more pure power rating model. 33 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.159 That's not what the playoff committee supposed to be doing, right. 34 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.920 The Playoff Committee is supposed to be judging purely off merit. 35 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.159 And you notice how after all these years, we never 36 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.280 have a static list of criteria put out, And that's 37 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.200 very purposeful. So they can move the goalpost as much 38 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.480 as they need to. And I'm not normally the one 39 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.280 that's banging that drum, but I will bang it here. 40 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.439 I'll bang it for both of them. Actually, i'd make 41 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.439 that case for Indiana if they were wearing a Michigan helmet. 42 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.680 I'd make that case for Brigham Young. If they were 43 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.280 wearing a different helmet, they would be treated differently. I 44 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.039 don't think there's any doubt about that. Now. What aggravates 45 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.479 me to no ends with all these people who want 46 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.560 to tell you, Bro, relax, it doesn't matter. It's just 47 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.960 the first version of the rankings. Well, they're lying to you. 48 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.400 It does matter. And here's where it matters. It doesn't 49 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.520 matter if Brigham Young wins out of course they'll be in. 50 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.159 They were always going to be in if they won 51 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.879 the conference. But where it matters, where rubber meets road, 52 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:31.159 is they are building a giant trap door under your 53 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.199 feet and under Indiana's feet to where they can reasonably 54 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.479 pat themselves on the back for having ranked you top ten. 55 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:40.199 But you know, full well, just like I do, as 56 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.680 soon as either one of those teams incurs one lass, 57 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.840 they're gone. Trapdoor opens and they disappear from the horizon, 58 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.560 and that committee says, well, you know, we gave them 59 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.080 a shot. They didn't take care of business. Meanwhile, I 60 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.400 got Penn State sitting at six after losing to Ohio 61 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.680 State at home last weekend, which is just amazing to me. 62 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.159 Yeah, no, I'm with you outside of BYU, outside of Indiana. 63 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.680 You kind of gave us your take on on Penn 64 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:11.120 State any other Josh Paid reactions either good or bad 65 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.080 from the rest of the rankings, which aren't the seeding 66 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.199 for the bracket, but not one of the rankings. What 67 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.159 are your other thoughts away from the dynamics we've already discussed. 68 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.400 I thought I thought it was interesting that seven of 69 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.759 the top sixteen teams in that thing or SEC, but 70 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.360 a lot of them are tend to sixteen range, Like 71 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.199 you got your Alabamas and your LSUS and they'll play 72 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.759 this weekend. A and m and Ole miss are in there, 73 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.800 so there's going to be probably some elimination blows dealt, 74 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:42.840 which is fine, that's the way it's supposed to work. 75 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:47.280 But we're also in the situation where I mean, we 76 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:52.360 are looking at a situation rapidly approaching where the SEC 77 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:55.680 is going to kind of judge themselves and judge how 78 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.520 their future they want to pan out based on a 79 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:01.599 committee handles them cycle. And what I mean, by the way, 80 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:03.599 if they don't get as many team in as they 81 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.159 want or they think they deserve big ten, you could 82 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.479 fill in the blank same way here. They've got that 83 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.000 look in provision in that playoff contract in two years, 84 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:12.960 and they may very well want to take their ball 85 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.479 and go home or go elsewhere. And I'm paying close 86 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:16.600 attention to that right now. 87 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.920 So ultimately, it does feel like the other message that 88 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.439 has been sent. And I don't even know if this 89 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.439 is the wrong message, because we do a Big twelve 90 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:31.160 power rankings every week. You know, anybody who covers the 91 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.959 conference does something like it. You have your your JP poll, 92 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.759 And this week I told my producer, we're not doing 93 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.439 it because it sounds like BYU at one then everyone 94 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.600 else two through sixteen, And I don't know if they're 95 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.600 good or bad. I mean, the problem is the conference 96 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.759 is chaotic. So is this a message sent with BYU 97 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.439 at nine that the Big twelve period end of story 98 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:53.600 is a one big league and that's going to go 99 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.040 to the conference champ no matter what. 100 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:57.399 Uh, that's a big question. 101 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:57.959 I have. 102 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.160 I heard them say last night or I thought it 103 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:06.519 reported that they're trying to trying to crystallize the notion 104 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.800 that you won't get punished for playing in a conference 105 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.120 title game, which is great. That's the way it should 106 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.560 be okay. I don't doubt that for the Big Ten. 107 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.639 I don't doubt that for the SEC. I don't think 108 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.800 their conference title loser will fall very far. I want 109 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:20.680 to see what happens. We kind of need the case 110 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.079 study here of Brigham Young goes undefeated all the way 111 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.959 to Dallas and then they lose in the conference title game. 112 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.800 They would almost assuredly, I mean, they would absolutely be 113 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.879 a top ten team going into that Saturday if they 114 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.839 lose in a game that they're only in because they 115 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.959 earn the right to be in. Are you going to 116 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:43.519 drop them out of the rankings? Because if you don't, 117 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.240 then they go as well as the Big twelve champ 118 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.439 going And that means two Big twelve teams just crash 119 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:52.079 the party. And I know that this is not the 120 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.480 way it's supposed to work, but this is the way 121 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.519 it will work. The folks in the SEC portion of 122 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.920 the room will scream about the boats in the Big 123 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.480 ten portion of the room will scream about that that 124 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.079 is not why they expanded this thing now, That is 125 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.120 not why they built more seats at the table. Those 126 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.519 seats are not for everyone else. Those seats are for 127 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:13.360 more of who's already been there. 128 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.839 One more thing on this Boise State comes in and look, 129 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.000 Boise State's good. I mean we're kind of in that 130 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:24.040 footprint because Utah State a mounda West Conference team. Is 131 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.560 there any way Boise State in your estimation, and of 132 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.800 course there's no way of knowing for sure because ultimately 133 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.040 the football needs to be played, but there are only 134 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:32.439 a few. 135 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.319 Spots behind BYU. 136 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.399 Is there any way Boise State could catapult past the 137 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.800 Big twelve champ and get a top four seed, and 138 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.399 therefore that Boise gets the buy and the Big twelve 139 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:44.439 champ is there at five. 140 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:50.480 I think it's possible. It just you'd probably need a 141 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.199 little chaos here down the stretch, and then one of 142 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.759 the teams that emerges from the chaos ends up being 143 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:59.560 the winner of the Big Twelve championship game. So maybe 144 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.680 like a two conference chant there, then I could see it. 145 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.720 If it's just bringing young going on a run, no, 146 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:07.360 I think that enjoy the higher seeds. 147 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.160 I've got one more BYU question for it. 148 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.279 Then we'll move on and obviously want to talk about 149 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:13.959 the big game coming up on Saturday night. 150 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.360 But you reference something. 151 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.360 Early on in the interview about you know, the Michigan 152 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.519 helmet or the Penn State brand, And certainly there's going 153 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.360 to be brand biased and they're television executives that simply 154 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:27.600 want the biggest and best brand on their TV show. 155 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.720 And I understand that what from a national standpoint and 156 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.879 not necessarily you because you cover and understand every team 157 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.160 in college football, which makes you, you know, good at 158 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.120 what you do. But how would you articulate as a 159 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:46.959 national college football guy what BYU's brand is nationwide? 160 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.160 I think the brand is tucked away and isolated, hard 161 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.920 to get to, really hard nosed team, hard nos program. 162 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:00.360 They embody the mentality of their head coach to kind 163 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.959 of always been that way. There. There are echoes from 164 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.759 the past of big time teams. You hear from your dad. 165 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.160 If you're my age, you've heard from your dad growing 166 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.920 up about Brigham Young teams that did big things in 167 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.439 the eighties, and you know of a few big time 168 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.879 names will come through there. As for today, I think 169 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.399 that people are still getting used to by being in 170 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:23.160 the Big twelve. First off, like a lot of people 171 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.000 have put two and two together there, and then when 172 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:29.199 they do, they probably lumped them in with every other 173 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.480 Big twelve team and that you've got to earn benefit 174 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.399 of the doubt. In their minds, thought position is you're 175 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.440 lesser than because you don't have an SEC or a 176 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.399 big ten helmet sticker on. And I think that's the 177 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.759 way the average college football fan to use Brigham Young 178 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:43.159 right now. 179 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.919 So we have a little football game here in the 180 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.240 market coming up on Saturday night. 181 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.080 I made a plea early on to. 182 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.440 Get a Josh paid appearance out here for Utah BYU, 183 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.399 but that was dependent upon both teams doing their jobs. 184 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.360 BYU has Utah has not. We can be simply as 185 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.720 reductive as saying Cameron Rising's not under center and he's 186 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:06.200 been hurt. 187 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:07.600 Therefore everything is different. 188 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.960 But nobody saw four and four for Utah and no 189 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.720 one saw eight no for BYU. Everything I thought Utah 190 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.720 would be BYU has been. How surprised are you, Josh 191 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:18.039 on that dynamic. 192 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.559 I'm very surprised. I mean, if you told me I 193 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.720 wasn't coming out there, I would have thought it was 194 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:26.879 because one of these teams dropped the ball. I would 195 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.159 just have the wrong team servile, right, And so as 196 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.320 it turns out, I mean, it's it kind of. It 197 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.159 surprises me only because Cam Rising not being available is 198 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.879 not the biggest shock to anyone in the world. I 199 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.720 just thought the program may be it had bit more 200 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.039 equipped to deal with it. And maybe I was wrong, 201 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.480 or maybe I was just overestimating how difficult that is 202 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:51.039 to continue to prepare for. But you know, I wanted 203 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.039 to be out there now. We had it circled internally, 204 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.080 I had it on the grease board in the office internally, 205 00:09:55.600 --> 00:10:00.080 But plans plans change as the season. 206 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.000 Of Yes, indeed, I can't argue with it as much 207 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:04.720 as we would have lowed to host you once again 208 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.200 like we did last year against Florida. 209 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:08.879 One more big twelve question. Then we'll do some other 210 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:09.480 stuff with the. 211 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.120 Remaining few minutes, and then I'll set you loose outside 212 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.600 of Brigham on who do you think is good in 213 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:16.960 the conference? Because I really can't figure it out week 214 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.879 to week. 215 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.759 I think Colorado is the biggest wild card out there. 216 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:27.519 I mean, Colorado has improved defensively, fairly significantly. They run 217 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.559 the ball much better than they did, so they are 218 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.759 I mean, they're a complimentary improving football team. And last 219 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:35.360 week I thought they were the biggest winner out there, 220 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.000 even though they didn't play because Iowa State Kansas State 221 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.200 went down. I don't trust Iowa State, or I don't 222 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.519 trust Kansas State away from home at all. Right now, 223 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.559 Iowa State, I thought they had been skating on thin 224 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.480 ice with hot blades for a few weeks and got 225 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.519 a lost dealt to him by another team that's pretty 226 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.639 bog walk card in Texas Tech. I kind of think 227 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.720 that may end up being good for them, just in 228 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.120 that it allows you to hit the reset button a 229 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.799 little bit longer, dealing with the pressure of undefeated and 230 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.000 do you just go play? Every one of your goals 231 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.399 is still in front of you, Just go play. I'm 232 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.559 still pretty high on the Higway State's capability. I think 233 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.799 they've got the highest end capability of any of the 234 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.559 teams out there. But Colorado is the one that I 235 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.840 circle because Colorado's one I don't really know. They haven't 236 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:19.720 peaked yet, and I don't know what they look like 237 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:20.240 when they do. 238 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.639 As as disappointing as Utah football has been, and how 239 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.879 difficult that is for a fan base around here with 240 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:33.039 different expectations, how do you articulate owen six Oklahoma State 241 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:34.200 in conference? 242 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.240 I think I think Gandhi did a pretty poor job 243 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.799 of putting his coordinators together. I don't think this is 244 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.000 a very strong staff he had. It was one of 245 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.080 my biggest concerns coming end of the year, and it is. 246 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.559 It has really manifested itself into a poor result. I 247 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.360 give him credit. They went and played BYU hard in 248 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.080 the game they played against him a few weeks back. 249 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.799 Still lost, But I expected that team to kind of 250 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.759 roll over and they didn't. But they're just it's not 251 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:01.840 a good team this year. And it's a shame because 252 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.720 they had a lot of returning pieces that look like 253 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.200 it may be otherwise, but that they have not even getten. 254 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:08.000 This alls the chance. 255 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:09.679 Yeah, you know you. 256 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.120 Reference Colorado and I'm not sure that I've really ever 257 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:13.799 seen a talent like Travis Hunter. 258 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.919 Shouldn't he win the Heisman Trophy? Josh? And if not, 259 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:18.720 who do you think does? 260 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:21.799 I think it's I think it's gonna come down through 261 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.320 is he active on conference championship Saturday. It's gonna be 262 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:29.279 him and cam Ward, I believe, and Dylan Gabriel may 263 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.600 be in that equation. But the thing about those other 264 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.000 guys is Gabriel will be playing in the Big Ten 265 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.440 title game. I think I think cam Ward certainly will 266 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:39.360 be playing in the ACC title game. If Hunter is 267 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.919 just playing on that last Saturday, I think that's gonna 268 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.320 make a big difference, because otherwise I think the voters 269 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:46.600 are going to be willing. I think a lot of 270 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.039 voters are looking for a reason to vote him, and 271 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:51.600 it may come down to that. It may be as 272 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:52.080 simple as that. 273 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:58.320 All right, moving off the big twelve, now, just simple question, 274 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:00.639 how good do you think Miami is? It's another team 275 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.559 when you're looking at the resume and their number four, 276 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.960 and of course the bottom line is staying clean, which 277 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.639 they've done. But do you think their record where they're 278 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:11.840 at right now actually. 279 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.320 Reflects simply how good they are? 280 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.679 And if they have the opportunity to go against another 281 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.600 one of those teams that live in that cul de sac, 282 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.480 do they stack up in your mind. 283 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.159 Talent wise? They do. I don't think the product they've 284 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.799 put on the field measures quite yet, but we can't 285 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.039 be sure because they you know, they haven't been pushed 286 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:36.639 to the brink against quality competition. They've been pushed to 287 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:39.600 the brink, but it's almost one of those situations where 288 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.600 they've played with their food a little too long and 289 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:43.639 then took it serious in the end if I put 290 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.960 them on the field of Texas for Georgia, I don't 291 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.440 really know what I should expect from them in that scenario. 292 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:50.039 I think we'll end up seeing it because I think 293 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.080 they'll be in the postseason. But the other thing I 294 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.600 wonder with them is I remember kind of two different 295 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.799 versions of LSU, the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three 296 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.840 EU teams. They both had Heisman quarterback. One of them 297 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.120 got it backed together enough defensively to become a superpower 298 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.240 team in twenty nineteen, wasn't always that way. Last year's 299 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:15.320 LSU team heis mcquarterback, but couldn't stop molasses in December defensively, 300 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.440 so they wasted that Heisman season and never accomplished anything 301 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.399 of note in the postseason. Miami's gonna go one of 302 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.919 those two directions here. I'm just waiting to see which one. 303 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.679 Do you think We were discussing this earlier, because we 304 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.919 were talking about Byu and Kolonie Satake and whether or 305 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.639 not they were going to actually step up and pay him. 306 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.120 It's a private institution, but they're known for not paying 307 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.320 their coaches very much. And look, I have no inside 308 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.440 information or knowledge at all about where Southern Cal's head 309 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:49.200 is with Lincoln, but ultimately Kilanie's a Southern California guy, 310 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.840 and if that job came open, I think he would 311 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.279 answer the phone if they called. 312 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:54.120 I don't know what they would. 313 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:55.799 I don't know if they would, but that's a long 314 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.240 way to me asking you do you think Southern cal 315 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:00.320 Is looking around wondering if they have the right guy 316 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.039 after this really really rough first season of the Big Ten. 317 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.879 I think they may look around and ask the questions. 318 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.679 I don't think they're looking around in the form of 319 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.759 let's do our due diligence because we may make a move. 320 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:15.720 I think they're a long way from that. I did 321 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.759 a segment on the show last night, just did job 322 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.360 approval ratings, and Lincoln Riley's approval rating would be a 323 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.519 little low right now, but that's kind of detached from 324 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.639 his hot seat rating. I don't think it's hot seat 325 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:28.600 ratings anywhere. I'd say the same thing about Hugh Freeze 326 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:32.039 at Auburn after that mattered. But I will say this, 327 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:35.080 They've got five losses and they've led in the fourth 328 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:36.879 quarter of all five of those games. I mean, they're 329 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:38.799 half a dozen plays if you change in their season 330 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:42.600 they're undefeated, which means nothing other than to say they're 331 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:45.200 not a long way away. It's not Florida State, where 332 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.080 they're just dead on arrival and there's so many problems 333 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.240 you don't even know where to start. He started, he 334 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.600 replaced his defensive staff. They look a lot better this year. 335 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.720 I mean, it's probably as simple as you don't have 336 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:57.600 Caleb Williams anymore and you need to go find the 337 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:58.799 next version of him. 338 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:03.600 Where's the Josh Paid Tour taking place coming up this weekend? 339 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:04.240 Where are you going to be? 340 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:09.200 We are headed down to Baton Rouge, Louisiana for Alabama 341 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:10.960 at LSU on a Saturday night. 342 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.519 You know, I've never experienced that game. 343 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:17.480 I have experienced LSU, but I've heard that's the spot. Man, 344 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.679 that's the place to be with that game. What I 345 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:23.240 would imagine you've been there before. So what's that atmosphere 346 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.559 going to be like as Bama is down in Baton 347 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:26.919 Rouge to take on LSU. 348 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:29.919 The best way I can describe it is if you're 349 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:35.159 standing on a runway at a major airport and you 350 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.240 just hear jet engines around you. That's kind of the 351 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.639 way it sounds on the field there in big third 352 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:44.399 down moments and especially at night double especially if Alabama 353 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.759 or Florida someone like that in there. I mean, especially 354 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.120 if LSU show some life early and they get up 355 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.360 on someone early. It feels it feels like you weigh 356 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.720 one hundred and fifty or one hundred and fifty percent 357 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.080 of your body weight. You just press it down on you. 358 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.240 It is really, really difficult to operate in that environment. 359 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.480 We do like to keep track of our former Pac 360 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.759 twelve buddies. What's the hulla balloo, like. 361 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:10.319 The conversation like down and down there with Alabama and 362 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.119 our old buddy Klein de Bor who's a great coach, 363 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.160 but he's not Nick Saban, because nobody is. 364 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.519 Yeah, there's a lot of attention on that this week, 365 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.640 just people and myself included, wondering how they'll handle this 366 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.400 moment because they did not handle Tennessee well for many 367 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.599 different reasons, but one of them was Bama under Nick 368 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.799 Saban was a big game program, and I ironically used 369 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:35.880 to feel more confident in them when they were on 370 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:37.839 the road than I did when they were at home. 371 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.240 I just thought they handled that stuff so well. And 372 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.039 it's really early with the boor we have like a 373 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.240 one game sample size, but I didn't like the way 374 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.359 they handled the trip to Tennessee. I think it was 375 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.839 a learning experience for him. This will be another one. 376 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.079 Both of them are coming out of the buy really 377 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:54.720 interested to see how Jaylen Milroe performs, how healthy he looks. 378 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.839 They'll tell you he's healthy now I don't believe him. 379 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:01.240 So huge wildcard. Both teams are huge wild cards right now. 380 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:06.240 Last thing is Oregon firmly entrenched themselves as the best 381 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.440 team in the country, and if not, who else is 382 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.240 in that kind of just in that area. 383 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:13.880 As of now, they're the best I've seen. I think 384 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:17.880 Texas has higher end potential. I think Ohio State has 385 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.920 high end potential. Oregon's the best I've seen. I've seen 386 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:22.880 them all in person, some of them a couple of times. 387 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.000 At this point, they are so multifaceted. They have got 388 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.640 an assassinate quarterback right now. They can run the ball 389 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.759 on you, they can stop the run. They're very multiple 390 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.000 and athletic. Defensively, I think they're going to get Test 391 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.480 Johnson back before the end of the year. So that's 392 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:38.079 the one I'd like to be if I could pick 393 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:39.200 any team to be right now. 394 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:41.680 Josh, thanks man for the time. Keep up the great work, 395 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:42.799 and enjoy the games this weekend. 396 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:44.880 All right, all right, appreciate it. 397 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.799 Josh Pate, host of The Josh Pate's College Football Show. 398 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.200 It's one of my favorite college football podcasts. Josh is 399 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.599 a very talented guy. Find him on social media on Twitter, 400 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.759 it's at Josh Pate CFB or X or whatever the 401 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.599