Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
Speaker 1: a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
Speaker 1: thirty one. Do you wish to report a.
Speaker 2: UFO over hey, we want to one of.
Speaker 1: Those areas thirty one.
Speaker 3: Do you wish to find a report of any kind
Speaker 3: of it?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what kind of reports, clouds.
Speaker 1: Time areas thirty one me neither there were self.
Speaker 3: If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like
Speaker 3: thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
Speaker 3: OFFI the UFO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, if you passed over.
Speaker 3: I got I don't know what it was, but it's
Speaker 3: from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
Speaker 3: I passed right over the top.
Speaker 2: Of US ninety one one. You just called up to
Speaker 2: me before.
Speaker 1: They're after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 2: He is to God on an unidentified object, every liberty
Speaker 2: or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
Speaker 4: their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
Speaker 4: an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
Speaker 4: You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show. How are you all
Speaker 3: doing this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the
Speaker 3: UFO Chronicles podcast. In Tonight's first hand account, it comes
Speaker 3: to us from Tennessee. Melissa takes us back to a
Speaker 3: quiet Sunday night in nineteen seventy four, when she was
Speaker 3: just eleven years old. Her family had just left evening
Speaker 3: worship at the church and were driving a deserted stretch
Speaker 3: of the newly constructed Eye seventy five between Chattanooga and Knoxville.
Speaker 3: No traffic, no distractions, just a road and something watching
Speaker 3: from above. What appeared was a massive, disc shaped craft,
Speaker 3: liquid silver like, shimmering mercury or pewter, suddenly hovering over
Speaker 3: their car keep him pace silently in the Tennessee night sky.
Speaker 3: But the most unforgettable part was seeing fear on her
Speaker 3: father's face for the very first time. Join us, as
Speaker 3: Melissa recounts, this a nerving encounter with the UFO so large,
Speaker 3: so otherworldly, it turned an ordinary drive home into a
Speaker 3: moment frozen in time. Melissa is up next, but first,
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Speaker 3: the show. Hello Melissa, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us tonight. And you're calling from Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yes, volunteer snite.
Speaker 3: Wonderful, That's something I love to hear. Okay, now, Melissa,
Speaker 3: you have an experience to share with us. Would you
Speaker 3: like to take us back to the nineteen seventies, please.
Speaker 1: Ma'am, Yes, sir. This was in the early nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: I was eleven years old and I was with my
Speaker 1: parents and one of my sisters, she was eighteen, and
Speaker 1: we live in a small city called Cleveland, which is
Speaker 1: located between the cities of Chattanooga and Knoxville. If you're
Speaker 1: familiar at all with Tennessee. And during this time period,
Speaker 1: they were finishing up a major interstate called I seventy five.
Speaker 1: This interstate runs north to south and it is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest interstates of the United States. And my
Speaker 1: dad was a minister with the church of Christ, and
Speaker 1: we had a very long drive to go to worship service.
Speaker 1: Usually took us over an hour because we had to
Speaker 1: go to the back roads. So, needless to say, we
Speaker 1: were thrilled that they had decided that they were going
Speaker 1: to do construction on seventy five and it was going
Speaker 1: to be just a stone's throw from our home and
Speaker 1: that was going to cut like forty five minutes off
Speaker 1: of our drive going to church. And so, needless to say,
Speaker 1: there was no traffic on seventy five at this time
Speaker 1: because the interstate ended right where we would get off
Speaker 1: the interstate to go to our church. And this had
Speaker 1: to have been a Sunday night or a Wednesday night,
Speaker 1: because it was evening when we were coming home from
Speaker 1: worship service and there were no other around. And like
Speaker 1: I said, we were very country folk. Okay, we weren't
Speaker 1: big city folk. Cleveland was a small town at this time,
Speaker 1: and so we weren't used to fancy things. So we're
Speaker 1: coming back in this interstate's a real big deal to us,
Speaker 1: and we're traveling home and you have to you have
Speaker 1: to cross a pretty big river. It's called the Highwasee River.
Speaker 1: And I guess we were about a quarter of a
Speaker 1: mile away from where we would cross the bridge there
Speaker 1: and it's just pitch dark. Oh you could see it's
Speaker 1: the headlights what they illuminate. When all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like the road just filled up with light. And
Speaker 1: what it was, it was reflectors on the road. And
Speaker 1: to us it was like Christmas morning. We had never
Speaker 1: seen anything like that. You're driving in pitch black and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the headlights from the car hit
Speaker 1: these reflectors on either side of the highway and straight
Speaker 1: down the middle, and it was just an explosion of light.
Speaker 1: And we were laughing and we just thought it was
Speaker 1: just an incredible thing to see. And anyway, we were
Speaker 1: just going on and on about that, and then the
Speaker 1: next thing we knew, this object appears over our car.
Speaker 1: And this is before anything like Close in Counter any
Speaker 1: of those movies ever came out. We were lucky to
Speaker 1: get three channels on the TV, and that's if you
Speaker 1: had a good pair of rabbit ears. And so we
Speaker 1: weren't our brains weren't contaminated with movies and stories and things.
Speaker 1: We were a good nuclear family. Okay, as far as
Speaker 1: the mom, the dad, the sisters. We didn't have outside
Speaker 1: influences about certain things. And this huge object appeared over
Speaker 1: our car. And the only way that I can describe
Speaker 1: it and the way that it looked. And if you
Speaker 1: remember the old thermometers that had the mercury in them,
Speaker 1: it you know, liquid mercury. How it looks, this object
Speaker 1: was like shimmering silver, pewter looking. It didn't have red lights,
Speaker 1: green lights, any type of lights like that around it.
Speaker 1: It was metal, but it was moving. The metal was moving,
Speaker 1: but it was perfectly circular, and it was huge. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it was the size of a football field,
Speaker 1: but it was at least the size of half of
Speaker 1: a football field, and it was at least I would say,
Speaker 1: seventy five to one hundred feet above us, and it
Speaker 1: was about forty five to fifty feet in front of us,
Speaker 1: and it was keeping pace with the speed that my
Speaker 1: dad was driving the car, and you could feel it.
Speaker 1: It was a presence, like a pressure almost, and it
Speaker 1: stayed that way for at least a good three minutes
Speaker 1: that it just it paralleled us on that highway. And
Speaker 1: I remember my mother looking at my dad and she said, Franklin,
Speaker 1: what is that? And of course my sister and I
Speaker 1: we were in the backseat of the car and we
Speaker 1: were leaning forward and we were just you know, we
Speaker 1: were dumbfounded. We didn't know what we were looking at.
Speaker 1: And I think I had told you early on. That's
Speaker 1: the first time in my life. My dad was a
Speaker 1: veteran in the United States Navy in World War Two.
Speaker 1: He saw a lot of bad stuff. That was the
Speaker 1: first time in my life I ever saw my father scared.
Speaker 1: He was dumbfounded. He did not know what to say.
Speaker 1: He just kept his eyes on the road and it
Speaker 1: kept driving. And after about three minutes, this object just
Speaker 1: it took off so quickly that by the time you blinked,
Speaker 1: it was gone. And it just went straight It didn't
Speaker 1: go straight up in the air. It went straight forward
Speaker 1: and it was gone. And I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain that other than the fact, and this is just
Speaker 1: my theory. The older I got looking back on it
Speaker 1: was that maybe our headlights when it eliminated that highway,
Speaker 1: and that highway had not been there ever, that they
Speaker 1: were always watching that area and they noticed something was different,
Speaker 1: and they noticed something was different, and they were checking
Speaker 1: it out. Because I've never seen I've looked at UFO
Speaker 1: specials and I've read about Betty and Barney Hill and
Speaker 1: watched documentaries, but I've never seen a UFO described like that.
Speaker 1: And I've been in the military. I spent ten years,
Speaker 1: six years in the Army, four years in the Navy.
Speaker 1: I know these things exist, but I've never heard anybody
Speaker 1: describe one like that, And to this day it still
Speaker 1: confuses me. I know that there's different types of them,
Speaker 1: but this thing was so huge. It was beautiful. But
Speaker 1: can you imagine metal or like liquid mercury over your
Speaker 1: car like that, and it just melting and moving around
Speaker 1: and staying in one place like that. It bothered my
Speaker 1: sister so bad that she repressed that memory. When I
Speaker 1: brought it back up to her, she had repressed it.
Speaker 1: It had scared her so bad, and when I brought
Speaker 1: it back up then she the memory came flooding back
Speaker 1: on her and she was like, oh my gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she said, I had pushed that out of my head
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to remember it. And I just
Speaker 1: think that with all that, there was a chemical plant
Speaker 1: that was close to the river, and you know, we
Speaker 1: talked earlier about nuclear power, and we lived right in
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Valley where the TVA has several nuclear plants,
Speaker 1: and so I know that they're always always keeping watch
Speaker 1: on these nuclear plants. But when those when that highway
Speaker 1: lit up like that, I think got their attention. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't think of any other reason why it would
Speaker 1: have pinpointed us, especially because there was no other traffic.
Speaker 1: We were the only car on the highway, and of
Speaker 1: course you didn't have cell phones or anything like that
Speaker 1: back then to even make a picture. But I remember
Speaker 1: it like it was yesterday, and this wasn't something that
Speaker 1: you just ran and told the local newspaper, because people
Speaker 1: would have thought that you were insane, especially when your
Speaker 1: father's a minister. I mean, you know, people don't take
Speaker 1: kindly to that kind of stuff, and surely to get us,
Speaker 1: we can't be the only people that have seen something
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, have you ever talked to anybody
Speaker 1: that has seen something similar to that?
Speaker 3: Over the years? With hind or shapes and sizes, I
Speaker 3: could probably dig you out a couple very similar looking objects.
Speaker 1: MASSA that was the most upclose and personal that I
Speaker 1: have been. You could almost reach out and touch it.
Speaker 1: It was so close. We weren't abducted or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just a very, very vivid memory. Another one that
Speaker 1: comes to mind other than what I learned in the military,
Speaker 1: and some of that stuff I can't talk about. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure you understand that we were on vacation. We
Speaker 1: were at a place called Cape sam Blass, which is
Speaker 1: located in Florida, and that's close to Tindall Air Force Base,
Speaker 1: which is part of NORAD, which is the first line
Speaker 1: of Defense Air Force base. We've got some of the
Speaker 1: fastest planes that the US Air Force has. And in fact,
Speaker 1: we have lived in Mexico Beach, which was destroyed by
Speaker 1: Hurricane Michael a few years back, and we had been
Speaker 1: vacationing down there for decades. And the one thing about
Speaker 1: Tendel Air Force Base is those jets never fly at night. Now,
Speaker 1: they'll do their maneuvers and stuff during the daytime. I
Speaker 1: and you can hear the sonic booms and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff when they're doing flight maneuvers and stuff.
Speaker 1: But this was at night. And our mother came in
Speaker 1: my sister in my room and told us, and we're
Speaker 1: grown adults by now. In fact, I was already out
Speaker 1: of the military, and she said, y'all got to come
Speaker 1: out here on the balcony and look up here in
Speaker 1: the s and tell me what's going on. And there
Speaker 1: was a I'm just going to call it a UFO,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. And it was it had a
Speaker 1: reddish color to it, but I mean it was dancing.
Speaker 1: It was all over the place. It wasn't a laser.
Speaker 1: There was no point from the ground to the sky
Speaker 1: that could have been making that. This was before drones
Speaker 1: and all of that. This had to have been late eighties,
Speaker 1: early nineties when this happened and all of us saw it.
Speaker 1: There was at least seven of us out there on
Speaker 1: the balcony watching this happen. And I guess we sit
Speaker 1: out there and watched that thing doing it, dancing around
Speaker 1: for ten minutes, and then we heard that familiar sound
Speaker 1: of those Air Force sets. And like I said, in
Speaker 1: all the years that we had been going to Mexico
Speaker 1: Beach into Cape's Endblast on vacation, we had never ever
Speaker 1: seen or heard them fly at night. And they had
Speaker 1: two jets going to try to intercept this object. And
Speaker 1: as soon as they came in earshot, because once you
Speaker 1: hear them, they're already past you. Whatever that was that
Speaker 1: we've been watching left them so fast that they just
Speaker 1: had to do a U turn and go back into base.
Speaker 1: That's how fast that UFO was. Our fastest jets could
Speaker 1: not even come close to making contact with it. So
Speaker 1: whatever these Pentagon photographs and stuff that they're showing right now,
Speaker 1: they're just toying with us by letting themselves be photographed,
Speaker 1: because these are the fastest jets we have and they
Speaker 1: couldn't even come close to it. It left them so fast.
Speaker 1: I'm stupified that people still doubt the fact that these
Speaker 1: things exist. There's so much evidence and so many intelligent
Speaker 1: people that have seen them, and they still there's people
Speaker 1: out there that just I think they absolutely love living
Speaker 1: in denial. I mean, we've got the proof. We've had
Speaker 1: the proof, and the Pentagon sits on it, our government
Speaker 1: sits on it, NASA sits on it. And of course,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know thousands and thousands of your listeners
Speaker 1: already know this, but these things have been around since
Speaker 1: biblical times. This is not a new thing. This is
Speaker 1: not a new phenomena. I mean early recorded history, as
Speaker 1: we have all the way back to Ezekiel, they've existed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much more proof people won't.
Speaker 3: Well exactly, Yeah, they go back in history fifty years ago.
Speaker 3: Our jets couldn't keep up with them, and they sure
Speaker 3: as how can catch up with them now.
Speaker 1: No, they can't. It's impossible. And it makes me doubt
Speaker 1: some of this footage that they've released. Just you know,
Speaker 1: I don't care about the moon landing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we landed on the Moon or not. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: could care less. But they saw something on the Moon
Speaker 1: and whatever they saw scared them. But Jesus out of them, you.
Speaker 3: Know, they weren't the same when they came back with Ain't.
Speaker 1: No, they were not. And there was a Ham radio
Speaker 1: operator that was able to intercept Apollo and Houston. You know,
Speaker 1: they had they had private communication systems set up between
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Mission Control, and they were talking about being
Speaker 1: observed while they were on the Moon. And my gosh,
Speaker 1: they've got pictures of man made structures up there. I mean,
Speaker 1: who cares about a footprint, whether Stanley Kubrick or whoever
Speaker 1: made it, or if we actually landed, that's not that's
Speaker 1: not the story. What was up there when they got
Speaker 1: there is the story. There was something already there, and
Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to hide from people. I mean,
Speaker 1: we got smart people in that, so I'm not discrediting
Speaker 1: them for being smart. I mean the rocket scientists, for
Speaker 1: goodness sake, have we been lied to? You bet? You
Speaker 1: bet your last dollar. We've been lied to, and not
Speaker 1: just by the US, but by the Soviets, by China,
Speaker 1: by every nation involved as far as space technology goes.
Speaker 1: The citizens of this world have been lied to. And
Speaker 1: it's just how much life can you digest before you
Speaker 1: say enough? And people say, well, what are you going
Speaker 1: to do? What are you going to do about it? Well?
Speaker 1: I like to know the truth.
Speaker 3: Exactly much has been hidden from us, and judging over
Speaker 3: the you know, the last few years where so many
Speaker 3: conspiracy faaries seem to be coming true. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: certainly hope I don't go to the grave without finding
Speaker 3: out there's much. So I'd like to know. Thank you
Speaker 3: Melissa for sharing all that that there's two fascinating encounters
Speaker 3: you had the one in nineteen seventy four that was close,
Speaker 3: and that was a large object.
Speaker 1: A huge, huge object. There is nothing that we had
Speaker 1: that could have moved like that. Trust me. I was
Speaker 1: at Fort Bragg, I lived at Fort Bragg for over
Speaker 1: three years, and I have seen just about every every
Speaker 1: type of plane. I've never been to Area fifty one.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of technology they have out there,
Speaker 1: but as far as military aircraft, and I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of what we have. And this is in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties we had nothing like that. And this
Speaker 1: was in seventy seventy four. We didn't have anything like that,
Speaker 1: and I know the Dagam Soviets didn't have anything like
Speaker 1: that that.
Speaker 3: There's just a share size of it. You said, half
Speaker 3: a football field to what's that one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: feet fifty yards?
Speaker 1: Yeah, easily, and that's with and link. I mean that's huge.
Speaker 1: I mean it was swallowed as whole. But it saw
Speaker 1: those reflectors and it thought it was a runway. That's
Speaker 1: what my logic says. They thought they had build a
Speaker 1: runway and they were checking it out. Now what they
Speaker 1: are I don't know. But it was nothing like Close
Speaker 1: Encounters of the Third time. It didn't look like anything
Speaker 1: from that movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, I'm gonna say. Closing Cannas came
Speaker 3: out three four years later. Yeah, do you remember what
Speaker 3: as an eleven year old you remember what went for
Speaker 3: your mind when this was happening and what it was.
Speaker 1: Well, Like I told you before, I grew up in
Speaker 1: a house that was extremely paranormal, so I was well
Speaker 1: adjusted to extreme possibilities. You grow up in a home
Speaker 1: that's like that. I mean, I knew Ed and Lorraine Warren.
Speaker 1: They had to help us. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that think their phony. If you think Ed Lorraine or phony,
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. Those are two of the finest people
Speaker 1: that ever walked this earth. And if it hadn't been
Speaker 1: for those two people, our family would have lost, We
Speaker 1: would have lost our minds. That that's how bad our
Speaker 1: house was. So all these people out there saying that
Speaker 1: Ed Lorraine Warren were phonies and fakes and they were
Speaker 1: in it for the money. They don't know. They're asked
Speaker 1: from a hole in the ground. Pardon my language, but
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're talking about. But I grew
Speaker 1: up in a situation to where I had to accept
Speaker 1: extreme possibilities, and yet it makes you strong. You don't
Speaker 1: have or in the corner. You either face your worst
Speaker 1: fears or you go crazy. And I wasn't about to
Speaker 1: go crazy. My faith is too strong to allow me
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm a devoted Christian. I believe in God.
Speaker 1: I believe in Christ and whatever's up there, they were
Speaker 1: created by God. I believe that with all my heart.
Speaker 1: Whether they be demonic, I don't know, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they wish us goodwill. I am scared of you, folks.
Speaker 1: I always have been, because there's no logic to explain them.
Speaker 1: We can't touch them. If they've had an accident, if
Speaker 1: they've crashed, it's been on their own own error. And
Speaker 1: how can you believe what the government says when we've
Speaker 1: got a government there's nothing but liars. So I've been
Speaker 1: open minded. I'm very logical. I'm a skeptic. I don't
Speaker 1: just assume something's paranormal or something that's strange in the
Speaker 1: skies of UFO. I'm not like that. But I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit there and if you tell me something
Speaker 1: and just assume that you're a liar. What happened to
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill. Those people were telling the truth,
Speaker 1: but because they were an interracial couple, people looked down
Speaker 1: their noses on them and didn't want to believe them.
Speaker 1: How many polygraphs did they take and their stories stayed
Speaker 1: the same. I mean, what more does people have to
Speaker 1: do for people to believe in them? And just think
Speaker 1: people are closed off because they're terrified. They're terrified of
Speaker 1: what they can't explain. And those are the people that
Speaker 1: will listen to this show and they'll sit back and
Speaker 1: they'll laugh, and they'll call people names, and they'll be
Speaker 1: rude and be sarcastic. But what I've told you is
Speaker 1: God is my witness. What I've told you today is
Speaker 1: the God's honest truth. People can believe it or I
Speaker 1: cannot believe it. It don't matter to me whether they
Speaker 1: believe it or not. I lived it. I know what happened.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly you know. I'm very fortunate on this
Speaker 3: show that a lot of the listeners, you know, they
Speaker 3: ire open minded. Like you said about it, Betty and
Speaker 3: Bonnie Hill, you know, they had everything to lose, they
Speaker 3: had nothing to really gain from ever coming out, and
Speaker 3: they just shared what happens to them and what they saw,
Speaker 3: what they experienced.
Speaker 1: And people think the South is prejudice. Where Betty and
Speaker 1: Barney Hill were at there was more prejudice up north
Speaker 1: where they came from than anywhere down here. In the South.
Speaker 1: Down here in the South is where all these things
Speaker 1: are seen because all the dag of nuclear plants are
Speaker 1: down here. You look up the Tennessee Valley Authority and
Speaker 1: count how many nuclear plants are under the TVA's control,
Speaker 1: and you'll see why so many UFO sidings happen in
Speaker 1: the TVA. You know, Roosevelt. President Roosevelt is who created
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Valley Authority. But we're not as prejudice at
Speaker 1: Hatefield as people make us up to be. In Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill would have probably been a lot
Speaker 1: more accepted down here than what they were up north,
Speaker 1: because up north in this country, especially in that time period,
Speaker 1: they were a bit more conceited. Up there, they were
Speaker 1: looked down upon because intellectually that was just not possible.
Speaker 1: Go to New Orleans. Go to New Orleans and talk
Speaker 1: about UFOs. Go to New Orleans and talk about the paranormal.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get laughed at. I promise you that.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: I said they were up in the White Mountains, wasn't
Speaker 3: it up in New Hampshire?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And those people up there, do you talk about
Speaker 1: closed minded? Those people up there are closed minded. It's
Speaker 1: not like that down here in the South. We've been
Speaker 1: bad mouthed and talked about about forever, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's not that way. That I'm not saying everybody's not
Speaker 1: that way. Of course, you're going to have bad apples
Speaker 1: and every you know, in each state, but there are
Speaker 1: a lot more open minded people in the South that
Speaker 1: have seen these things. It's just like cattle mutilations, you know,
Speaker 1: places like Alabama and Georgia, that stuff that went unreported.
Speaker 1: Why didn't they report it? I mean, how does that happen?
Speaker 1: No footprints, no track marks. How does a big holesting
Speaker 1: cow or a Jersey cow, how do they drain all
Speaker 1: their blood out? And even a helicopter would have left marks.
Speaker 1: If they had picked him up with a helicopter, there
Speaker 1: would have been some traice evidence. Somebody would have seen something.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were hundreds of cows mutilated all through
Speaker 1: Alabama and Georgia, drained of every drop of blood. No reports.
Speaker 1: We're the flyover states. They built the bomb in Oak Ridge.
Speaker 1: We're a flyover state. Nobody's gonna think about us. That's
Speaker 1: why all that stuff happens down here.
Speaker 3: A lot of stuff does happen down there. You're right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's understandable when it comes to the calmulations
Speaker 3: that have gone on for decades. When it comes to
Speaker 3: the ranchers and the farmers, a lot of times they're
Speaker 3: not going to want to let, you know, let this
Speaker 3: news get out that this and this has been happening
Speaker 3: on their property and on their land, because of course
Speaker 3: they don't want reporters and people in the news stations
Speaker 3: or coming down and getting up in there in their business,
Speaker 3: you know, so I understand why a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of it went and reported. A lot of it
Speaker 3: was kind of kept within the community more than anything else.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean the natives of this country, they've
Speaker 1: been raped enough. I mean they had everything taken from them,
Speaker 1: and what little bit they have they have to if
Speaker 1: they build something, the government comes in and takes it
Speaker 1: away from them. It still happens today. I mean, they're landlocked.
Speaker 1: We stole everything from them, but we broke every tree.
Speaker 1: But where does everything happen? Where do you think they
Speaker 1: tested all those nuclear bombs? Look at the cancer rape,
Speaker 1: look at the alcoholism rate, every bit of it's on
Speaker 1: those reservations. Where do they see the skim walkers, you know,
Speaker 1: shape shifters. What's at the top of a totem pole?
Speaker 1: A thunderbird? What's another word for a thunderbird? A paradactyl?
Speaker 1: How long a paradactyl is supposed to have been extinct?
Speaker 1: That you've got Native Americans right now swhere and they
Speaker 1: exist now, it's to say that they're lying about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, I actually did an episode not a
Speaker 3: couple of months ago about a sign of a thunderbird,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I completely believe it. You know, these stories,
Speaker 3: you know, if you look at them as being folklore,
Speaker 3: they go back in these cultures, not just in the
Speaker 3: United States, but all around the world. You will find
Speaker 3: all these law accounts of cryptids and things which, you know,
Speaker 3: which just simply aren't supposed to exist exactly.
Speaker 1: They got to come from somewhere, and that those people
Speaker 1: they have told their stories word of mouth to each
Speaker 1: generation from generation to generation. And they're not stupid, but
Speaker 1: they have no reason to lie because they tell you
Speaker 1: something exists nine times out of ten it exists. And
Speaker 1: their total them poles are sacred to them, and what's
Speaker 1: at the top, that's the most sacred indeed.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had several accounts from witnesses of various
Speaker 3: different types of strange phenomena all up and down the
Speaker 3: United States, and reservations i think including Canada on some
Speaker 3: of the reservations are there.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, you could just go on and
Speaker 1: on and on about the things that aren't reported. They're
Speaker 1: just giving you crumbs.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Bob Ballard's you know, he was the one that found
Speaker 1: the Titanic, He found the Bismark. You found John Kennedy's
Speaker 1: PT one O nine. He told NASA. He said, you
Speaker 1: don't even have to go to space. He said, there's
Speaker 1: more underneath the seas that need to be explored. There's
Speaker 1: more mysteries, more things that people would be so shocked,
Speaker 1: right underneath our feet. You don't have to go to
Speaker 1: outer space, look to inner space. And how many stories
Speaker 1: have you heard around the world's navies and seamen that
Speaker 1: have seen ships coming up out of the water and
Speaker 1: ships diving down into the ocean. How many times have
Speaker 1: you heard those stories?
Speaker 3: Indeed, endless amounts, endless amounts.
Speaker 1: Why do you think they've built these nuclear submarines? They're
Speaker 1: down there trying to find them. Those nuclear subs can
Speaker 1: stay down there forever until they get too close. We're
Speaker 1: building our own tower of babble, and we don't even
Speaker 1: realize that there's only so far you can go, and
Speaker 1: then you're going to get knocked down. I just I
Speaker 1: think it's best. It's fun to debate, it's fun to
Speaker 1: discuss ideas, and the debate ideas, but some things are
Speaker 1: better left alone.
Speaker 3: Sometimes things are best left alone. You know, you, even
Speaker 3: eleven years old, you knew what really what you were seeing,
Speaker 3: and as you were having all this paranormal stuff going
Speaker 3: on in your house roughly at the same time with
Speaker 3: all that was happening.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it passed down through my great grandmother's bloodline.
Speaker 1: We're sensitives and we've all got it. All the females
Speaker 1: on my mother's side of the family have it. We
Speaker 1: see them, we hear them, been touched by them, been
Speaker 1: attacked by them, and it's you have to learn to
Speaker 1: live with it. You got to keep your faith. I mean,
Speaker 1: they can hurt you physically, but they can't take your soul.
Speaker 1: But they exist. And people that don't believe in demons,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell them because they're everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is definitely a dark side, all right. This
Speaker 3: has been happening in generations on your female side of
Speaker 3: the family. Yes, sir, when you had this experience in
Speaker 3: seventy four, you said your sister was she shut down,
Speaker 3: she was scared. What about what about your father? Did
Speaker 3: you ever discuss this with your father at all?
Speaker 1: My dad he stayed close down to it up until
Speaker 1: about three years before he died. He was he just
Speaker 1: wouldn't accept it. And about three years before he died,
Speaker 1: my mother was on a trip. She had gone to
Speaker 1: see a cousin in Kentucky, and my dad was alone
Speaker 1: in the house and he felt something crawl in the
Speaker 1: bed with him, and he turned. He felt it so
Speaker 1: profoundly that he actually thought my mother had come home early.
Speaker 1: And he turned the bedroom light on and there was
Speaker 1: nothing there. Well, he turns the bedroom light off, and
Speaker 1: he could see the shape of something laying there in
Speaker 1: the bed. And he said, all right, I've got to
Speaker 1: get up early for work in the morning, so if
Speaker 1: you're going to be laying there in the bed, just
Speaker 1: leave me alone. Let me sleep. Now, that's how strong
Speaker 1: my dad was. But after that he no longer doubted
Speaker 1: because he saw it with his own eyes. But oh,
Speaker 1: we get grabbed by him. They yank the sheets off
Speaker 1: of you. They you know, like I said, I could
Speaker 1: write books, but I've just felt best not to do.
Speaker 1: I talk to people about it, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to make money off of it, because to me, that
Speaker 1: gives them strength. And I don't want to make money
Speaker 1: off off of something evil. And what we were surrounded
Speaker 1: by was not good. It was evil, and I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to make money off of something that's evil.
Speaker 3: And when these things get in your house. They can
Speaker 3: affect you emotionally, you know, they really can do a
Speaker 3: job on you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they can break you down emotionally and physically.
Speaker 1: They can. So you know, my older sister, she won't
Speaker 1: talk about it. It. She experiences stuff, but she's not
Speaker 1: like me. I'll talk to anybody about it, you know
Speaker 1: it wants to, but she chooses just to ignore. That's
Speaker 1: how I mean, we all have our different ways of
Speaker 1: handling it. I've always wanted to help people. Some people
Speaker 1: need a friendly ear, somebody's listened to them and help
Speaker 1: them to maybe know that, Okay, you're not crazy. Just
Speaker 1: like edding Lorraine helped us. We knew we weren't crazy.
Speaker 1: We weren't making this stuff up, you know, we weren't.
Speaker 1: Our eyes weren't playing tricks on us. These things were
Speaker 1: actually happening. And once people realize that they're not alone,
Speaker 1: they can start building up, they can start getting their
Speaker 1: faith stronger to where they can stand up and they
Speaker 1: can fight back. But when you're laughed at and you're ridiculed,
Speaker 1: and you're made fun of and nobody believes you, that's
Speaker 1: what tears people down. That's when people they give up
Speaker 1: and it just gets worse, and it gets worse, and
Speaker 1: it gets worse for them, and they don't have anybody
Speaker 1: that they trust. They don't have anybody to go to.
Speaker 1: And I want to be the kind of person that
Speaker 1: people will trust and they'll trust me to listen to
Speaker 1: them and know that I'll be honest with them and
Speaker 1: I won't make fun of them. Because I have people
Speaker 1: call me all the time, you know, asking for advice
Speaker 1: or just needing up the shoulder to cry on. And
Speaker 1: that's what I want to be to people. I'm not
Speaker 1: an exorcist. I'm not gonna Hey, if somebody says demon,
Speaker 1: I'm going the other direction. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: a battle with the demons, you know. I don't want
Speaker 1: no part of that.
Speaker 3: When people come to you for advice, is it because
Speaker 3: you've had experience in the past about the things or
Speaker 3: is it because of your connection to the church.
Speaker 1: Well, probably a little bit of both. I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: loved our mother and father. They they were two of
Speaker 1: the finest Christian people that you would have ever known.
Speaker 1: They were so well respected not only in the church
Speaker 1: but also in their community. People knew how honest they were,
Speaker 1: and they would have given you the shirt off their back,
Speaker 1: and everybody knew that about them. And then there's the
Speaker 1: fact too that people know now, especially now what our
Speaker 1: family went through. You know, I have talked to some
Speaker 1: people before, and you know, words spreads, and once people
Speaker 1: know you, they feel like, Okay, I know her, I
Speaker 1: knew her cousin or you know, and they're like, can
Speaker 1: I get her number? Can I call her and tell
Speaker 1: her what's been happening to me and maybe she can
Speaker 1: give me some advice on what to do, you know,
Speaker 1: or what not to do. And that's kind of how
Speaker 1: it circulates. And if I can't help them, I do
Speaker 1: try to find somebody that can. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't fool around with demons. I'm not that.
Speaker 1: I'm not that kind of a person. I believe in
Speaker 1: prayer and fighting with your faith, but I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not father mayoring, Okay. I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go into a room with something like Reagan and the
Speaker 1: Exorciste and try to do something like that.
Speaker 3: Of course, just to sh'd mentioned just brings back memories
Speaker 3: of that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no peace soup for me.
Speaker 3: I didn't go up dark stairs for for many years.
Speaker 1: Oh, that movie scared the Dickens. Out of my two
Speaker 1: oldest sisters, they to this day they never watched it again.
Speaker 1: They went and saw it at the theater and they
Speaker 1: were one of them, will ever watch it again?
Speaker 3: Pretty scary, right, And actually the original book was actually
Speaker 3: a little bit worse. It was it was a boy
Speaker 3: that had.
Speaker 1: Gotten roland They did a documentary on him, The Extricism
Speaker 1: of Rolande was it. They didn't give his last name,
Speaker 1: but it was a little boy in the forties.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I read.
Speaker 3: I read the book years ago. I don't know if
Speaker 3: i've still I might even still even have it now,
Speaker 3: but yeah, that's right, Yeah, it was. It was pretty scary, actually,
Speaker 3: I think a little bit worse than the film. Yessa
Speaker 3: that he was a professor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he worked for NASSA, but they kept his last
Speaker 1: name private, so nobody would know that it was actually
Speaker 1: him that the extressist was based off of. It was
Speaker 1: it was a true story.
Speaker 3: It was indeed. Yeah, yeah, so of course, because you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter whether you're having paranormal things happened to
Speaker 3: home or it's UFO encounters. You know, these things can
Speaker 3: be very isolating for people.
Speaker 1: Well, something like that for sure. I mean demon possession.
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything worse that could happen to
Speaker 1: a human. I just can't imagine. That's that's why I
Speaker 1: try so hard to keep so strong with my faith,
Speaker 1: because to me, that would be the worst. I've seen
Speaker 1: enough throughout my life to know that that's something I
Speaker 1: don't want no part of. I don't go around it,
Speaker 1: even in a movie. If I know that they're going
Speaker 1: to start naming demon names, I'll mute my TV. I
Speaker 1: don't even want their names mentioned in my home.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you never know what you're going to attract,
Speaker 3: do you.
Speaker 1: Know you don't. I don't take any chances where that's concerned. Now,
Speaker 1: if a minister or a priest wants to take that on,
Speaker 1: now that's up to them. But hey, I'm just a
Speaker 1: preacher's kid. I don't go around the evil stuff. I
Speaker 1: just it follows me. I've been attacked, I've been body slammed,
Speaker 1: I've been pushed downstairs. You just wouldn't believe. And I
Speaker 1: don't go looking for trouble. Trouble finds me. And that's
Speaker 1: hard enough dealing with that, So I don't go looking
Speaker 1: for it. To have an invisible entity pick your body
Speaker 1: completely up off the ground and slam you. I've had
Speaker 1: broken bones, I've been thrown across a kitchen, broke my foot.
Speaker 1: These are things that people would just they're being shocked
Speaker 1: if they knew what happens to people.
Speaker 3: So in your case, it was quite an extreme stuff
Speaker 3: that was going on. And had this always happened in this?
Speaker 3: Was this like a family house? Had this always happened
Speaker 3: in that one particular house.
Speaker 1: It didn't. We lived in three different houses, and all
Speaker 1: three houses either they followed us or all three houses
Speaker 1: were haunted and we drew them out because we were
Speaker 1: like spotlights, because we were extra sensitive. So your guess
Speaker 1: is as good as mine on that one, because we
Speaker 1: certainly weren't trying to draw them out. It's just like
Speaker 1: wherever we went, they followed us, knocking and banging on
Speaker 1: doors and walls, voices into these shadow figures, black miss
Speaker 1: full body apparitions, you name it. Been there, done that,
Speaker 1: And I would have never walked down into the Warrens Museum,
Speaker 1: even with hold in my hand, I would not have gone.
Speaker 3: Ortho an energy in just that, you know, in just
Speaker 3: that one area of course, being a sensitive it's it
Speaker 3: is It's like a beacon, isn't it. Yes, very attracting.
Speaker 1: You're like a spot exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're just they're drawn.
Speaker 1: To you, yep. And you don't want to be a
Speaker 1: spotlight because these are not good things looking for you.
Speaker 3: So, and was this something that happened before you were
Speaker 3: born or did it start a particular time.
Speaker 1: I've always done it as far back as I have memory,
Speaker 1: because my mother had it, my older sisters had it,
Speaker 1: and then I had it. But it wasn't something we
Speaker 1: talked about until each one of us would have an
Speaker 1: experience and we would go to Mama with it and
Speaker 1: we would tell her. So, I mean, it's just as
Speaker 1: part of our it's part of our life, just like
Speaker 1: a family story. And there's no sense in denying it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's happened, and it still happens even where
Speaker 1: Leslie and I lived today, My oldest sister and I,
Speaker 1: you know, we lived together and we still have their
Speaker 1: normal events happened to us.
Speaker 3: So but not quite as extreme as it did happen.
Speaker 1: No, No, not not as of yet. But I want
Speaker 1: to knock on wood because they don't have a timetable.
Speaker 1: They do what they do when they want to do.
Speaker 3: It must have been quite extreme to cool in that head.
Speaker 3: And the rain was that any of this ever published?
Speaker 3: Did they ever focus on your case to any degree?
Speaker 1: Now? We met them after them doing a seminar at
Speaker 1: a local college in our town, and my mother just
Speaker 1: just went right up to them at their car and
Speaker 1: was telling them what was happening. And they were giving
Speaker 1: us advice about what we needed to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: Lorraine said she could fill it through her bones. How
Speaker 1: evil the area was. They were such nice. I get
Speaker 1: so mad when I hear people talking bad about them
Speaker 1: because they were not rich. Why would they Why would
Speaker 1: she have waited until she was in her nineties to
Speaker 1: make movies if she was in it for the money?
Speaker 1: I mean, ed had already been dead over a decade,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, do people not you even wonder
Speaker 1: that they could have been making movies thirty years ago
Speaker 1: if that was so? But now they were wonderful, wonderful people.
Speaker 1: Now I'm friends with their son in law, Tony and
Speaker 1: their daughter Judy.
Speaker 3: And I think I'm friends with Tony on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Actually he's a wonderful guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he actually takes care of the museum now, doesn't.
Speaker 1: He yeah, but they've had zoning issues with the with
Speaker 1: the city and neighbors, and so they've had to shut
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 3: So if Tony said to you, you don't have any
Speaker 3: space in the basement, do you no?
Speaker 1: I don't no no space, no space.
Speaker 3: No wise choice. That's wonderful, Melissa. I really appreciate you
Speaker 3: coming on sharing that for our.
Speaker 1: Listeners, providing me. I certainly appreciated.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful to meet you. Okay, please keep in
Speaker 3: contact and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick.
Speaker 3: Okay, bye bye for now, ma'am, bye bye. Well that's
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