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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Tony from Hack the Movies here, and today

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we're talking about The Amazing Spider Man, which was actually

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a Bland reboot. Today on Hack the Movies, Hello Gil,

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Hello Tony. We're back talking about Marvel again.

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Speaker 2: I know you owe, as always you save the best

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movies for me.

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Speaker 1: Yep, definitely we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Spider Man. Oh which one has got to

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be a spider Man one and no Spider Man two. No,

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not Spider Man three?

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Speaker 1: No? Oh good, not the Tom Holly no, no, yep,

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we're doing the Andrew Garfield ones. Now. When Noay Home

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was coming out, I obviously went back into the original three.

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But I just I did not have my channel would

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have just been the Spider Man channel. I did not

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have time to review the Andrew Garfield ones. I did, however,

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to commentary tracks for them with movie Dumpster. So my

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Patreon or movie Dumpster's patre we have full Amazing Spider

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Man one and two commentary tracks. But I thought, since

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Spider Man there's a new movie coming out and most

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modern MCU things don't really do well here, I'm like,

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you know what, this gives me an excuse to talk

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about a different Spider Man thing. So let's go back

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and talk about the amazing Spider Man revisionist history.

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Speaker 2: Now since Andrew Garfield came back Home, now everyone's like

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those movies were great.

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Speaker 1: Third one. No, Look, Andrew Garfield is a good actor. Yes,

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I think he was a good choice for Spider Man,

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and he did a great job in No Way Home.

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But if you go back and actually watch these pieces

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of shit, they do not hold up. They didn't do

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well back then and they do not hold up now.

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Speaker 2: They did well for a movie, yes, but financially not

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for a Spider Man movie. And even financially they were

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heading in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And this was supposed to be the big reboot,

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the big reset. They couldn't land on a Spider Man

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for they gave him a release date the same range.

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And he's like, I don't want to rush this again.

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We kind of fumbled that last one. Well, rushing is

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kind of our things. Yeah. So he's like, rushing is

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kind of our time. You rush yourway to the door. Yeah.

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So like, okay, we're just gonna do a hard reboot.

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And at this point, like the MCU is starting. This

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is the same summer as the Avengers, and of course

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the Dark Knight Rises, Everyone's favorite, the greatest superhero film

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ever made.

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Speaker 2: They put him in front of you. They're like, Tony,

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you can do Amazing Spider Man or Dark Knight Rises.

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Speaker 1: It's up to you. And I went Tart Knight Rises

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all the way. Yeah. Unfortunately I'm not in this movie,

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so that really hurts it. When I was watching these

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movies in the theater that summer, I'm like, I mean,

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Avengers is okay, but I'm not in it. Amazing Spider Man.

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It would have been better if I was in it.

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Tark Knight Rises perfect. I'm like, there ain perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's got that special special Tony.

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Speaker 1: Had I been an Amazing Spider Man would have been

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the best fighter, it.

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Speaker 2: Would have earned that amazing title.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so they decide they're gonna start over again. Uh,

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but they're still gonna be self contained. Yeah, whereas they

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saw all the other Marvel movies, we're doing pretty well

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mixing with a universe. Uh. And even Universal, who owns

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the solo film rights to Hulk, they like played ball

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with Marvel. Apparently they're very difficult to work with, which

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is why there there hasn't been a solo Hulk movie.

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But they're fine, like work like letting them use the

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character or something. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had the one solo Hulk movie right after

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Iron Man. Yeah, but they haven't done another one since.

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And that's what they always say is they had the

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rights issue with Universals all.

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Speaker 1: So like Hulk can be in other ones and it

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can be the same Hulk like it all like this

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seems like Universals like, yeah, we'll do it. But I

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don't know why they've been dragging their feet on a

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solo Hulk movie. I don't know why. But Marvel at

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the same time is like, you know, just make them

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a supporting character and everything. So yeah, Sony was like,

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we're just gonna hard reset and we're gonna get We're

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gonna make it fresh and new. So let's get Alan Sargeant,

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who wrote the last three. Yeah, Alan Sergeant, Alvin Sergeant.

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This is like the last thing he wrote. I think

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he did uncredited rewrites on one. He worked on two,

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and then he worked with Sam and Ivan Ramy on

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Spider Man three, so they brought him back. But then

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he also wrote with James Vanderbilt, who we have here.

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We looked it up. I've reviewed a couple of his movies. Okay,

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he wrote or co wrote Darkness Falls, a movie that

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was completely rewritten and reshot like twice, the Rundown with

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the rock that's a good one. That's a good one.

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And he wrote some of the new screams. And he

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actually produces a lot of stuff with radio silence, so

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he's still going strong. So a mixed bag.

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Speaker 2: And I guess between him and a guy who just

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finished writing three of these and was kind of tired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then between the two of them, this is

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what they Well, they had a third guy, Steve Cloves,

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writer of like most of the Harry Potter sequels and

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, awsome Yeah, another mixed it's kind of perfect record.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And they got a young fresh director, Mark Webb,

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right off of Five Hundred Days of Summer, which I

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remember thinking was, okay, yeah, are we allowed to like

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that movie now? I don't know, wait what was it? Back?

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Speaker 2: Wait are you saying that you think maybe now we're

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not allowed to like it? Or back then we want?

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Speaker 1: It feels like it's one of those things that'll be

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frowned upon now because it's about just like a hipster

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dude and Zoey Deschanel is in it. Yeah, dream Girl. Yeah.

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I think there's some manic pixie dream Girls stuff. But

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I mean, I don't care. I can like it, but

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I feel like it's something the internet would complain about, because,

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like I heard like girls bragging about that movie for

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like two three years. Haven't heard anything since. So I

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think they all like united hipsters whoever are left. I

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don't know what they turned I don't know what hipster's

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turned into. I guess they all decide it. Now we're

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we're done talking about five hundred Days of Summer. But yeah,

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Mark Webb went all in on Amazing Spider Man one

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and two, and then he went right back to indie films. Yeah,

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until recently he came back with snow White in the seven.

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Speaker 2: It's he starts out in indie films, Yeah, and then

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the creaks open the front door. He's like, what's what's

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going on out here? There's a couple of big blockbusters.

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I'm gonna go back inside. Ten years later he's like, oh, yeah,

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snow White Okay, and he's like, you know what, I'm

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gonna go back, And just.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, the Disney snow White not the uh

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the Ben Shapiro snow White that actually never got made.

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We're talking about the good one.

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Speaker 2: Then fixed all the issues with the classics.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we all agree if they mixed everything.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully they can do that for five hundred days of

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summer modern izees go back in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, movie does end with him being like I met

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a new replacement girlfriend named Winter, and I'm like, ah, yeah,

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a loaded summer. People wanted to see the end of

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the Dark Knight trilogy. They wanted to see the Avengers,

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and then Sony's like and another Spider Man. We're like, okay,

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this in theaters and at the time I thought it

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was like whatever, like my initial like, I think me

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and my friends we reviewed it that day. But even

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in that original review, which I maybe can find was

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probably lost forever. I think we kind of joked about

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how it was just kind of like derivative of the

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previous three, and then the more I thought about it,

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I'm like, I don't think I liked that movie. And

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then I watched it again, I'm like, this movie sucks,

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and the Spider Man having Edward Cullen hair didn't help.

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and I went, oh, no, I know Twilight's popular, but

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I think, did we learn nothing from Emo? Peter Parker,

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let's not put a trendy hairstyle on. How did you

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feel about this film? Pretty similarly?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the first few Spider Man movies, the Sam

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Raimi ones, like they left a huge impression on me.

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at the time when the first one came out, and

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this one, I think I barely remember the first time

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I saw it, and I think it speaks to one

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of the first words you said when you opened up

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this review was bland. And that's what I have written here,

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keyword bland. Yeah, And that's one of the worst things

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the movie can do is just be boring. And I

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think that there's competence on display in parts of this movie.

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halfway decent romantic drama. But that's not why people came

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to this movie. And that's only a small portion of

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the movie. But yeah, you watch it now and there's

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just nothing here to keep your interest.

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Speaker 1: The villain is so boring. Well, we learned right before this.

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Speaker 2: Out, yes, though I will say I'm already kind of

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tired today, and one way to get jazzed up to

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do a podcast, I wouldn't recommend watching forty five minutes

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of scenes that were deemed unworthy.

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Speaker 1: To be in an Already I was like getting sleepy.

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I was like, what's happening now? Look last night. But

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it didn't work out. But I thought it was important,

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especially with the second movie, because these movies, Sony like

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some weird moments in both these films. You're like, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened? There's a lot of what happened to

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Speaker 2: And the one thing I'd say too, in terms of

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being bland, it's especially bad when it follows three movies

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directed by Sam Raimi. He has such a particular unmissible

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directorial style, and then you go to this one. It

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has really no style at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it doesn't really have its own identity except

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for it was the first one shot in three D.

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do a bit where we do, like the thing in

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Speaker 2: I just keeping I keep waiting for a spider Man

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Speaker 1: Oh no, he dies. Andrew Garfield died. I don't know

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who they got pretending to be Andrew Garfield since then

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AI probably, But Andrew Garfield died on this something you

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he got pulled into our universe right before

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Speaker 1: I know because if you watch My Doctor straight shure,

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if you better. Comber Batch also died again. I don't

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we're only allowed to have certain movies get in there

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every I don't know if this has changed, but we

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can only have like the only except a certain amount

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of American film, and they have to be like three D.

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Speaker 2: They're just screwing around. Now what can we get away with?

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Like I don't telling them. They say it's gotta be

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in three D. Yeah, what else can we do?

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Speaker 1: And that's why we got somebody like these big budget

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like Robot movies, and like Star Wars was all in

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three D and then like China didn't even watch Star Wars.

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It's like, wow, great, thanks, thanks where we even played

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at the budget for those. Yeah, so I think that

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was like that was definitely the height of this because

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what was it The next year is Ironman three had

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the whole separate Chinese cut, So we're putting everything in

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three D when it didn't need to be and he

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can't even tell it's in I don't know if this

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was it probably was shot in three D, but like

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it doesn't feel three D except for some of the

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swinging and I know, like three D movies got away

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from the whole like pointing in the camera right, But

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like some people used it, well, James Cameron obviously, for

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like I don't even like Avatar, but like he did it.

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He did it to make like the environments feel live.

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D things I've ever seen, But this one is just

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you're watching in three D and you're like, why even

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bother except for the swinging scenes kind of Yeah, yeah,

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so that was dumb, but yeah, I guess I guess

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we'll just get into this film Oh, the marketing. The

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early marketing was all about secrets. He's gonna learn the

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secret or his untold origin, the secret of his parents.

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Like the whole conceit is that normal kid from Queen's

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gets powers. And like, anytime you take away a core

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tenet of a character and an adaptation, like I won't

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say automatically, that's bad. Of course there's a good version

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of a movie where he's got some secret origin you

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don't know about it. But anytime you take away something

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that makes a character special, you're just putting more pressure

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on yourself to figure out some other angle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they definitely don't. But it's like, if you're

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gonna do that, do like the fake parents storyline from

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the comics, where like Peter learned that his parents were

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you know, secret agents or something, were shield agents maybe.

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And I think I used to have Marvel. I still

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have a Marvel Trading cards. I had the fake parents one, yeah,

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where they look like two one thousand things. But I

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think like the Jackal, like cloned. Of course the Jackal

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did this. The Jackal cloned his parents to like fuck

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with him or something and ended up not being as real.

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Pay If you're doing something like that, then let's get

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into his parents.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on record and say that if this

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movie introduced the Jackal made clones of his parents, they

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would not have.

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Speaker 1: Improved the movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it would have made it more interesting, though.

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Speaker 1: It would have it would have been a reason to

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even bother with his parents. You don't need it outside

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his parents are dead. Who cares?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like it's like I need more trauma. It's

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like my uncle, I could have saved him. He's like, yeah,

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well your dad also, Yeah, and your mom. He's even

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more trumpa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's so annoying. I'm like, we no one

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cares about Peter Parker's parents unless you're going to do

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that story, which I don't even think is a very

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popular story that people liked. So it's a jackal cloning story.

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You got to bring Ben Riley in there. It's a

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whole fucking shot.

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Speaker 2: I think it's one thing that this movie suffers from throughout,

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and this is just one example, is we really don't

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want to repeat anything from the previous three movies, but

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then they do they do, but then there are these

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things that stick out very awkwardly. Yeah, where like we'll

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get to the example of we can't say with great

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power comes great responsibility because everyone knows that from the

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Sam Raimi movies, so let's kind of dance around it.

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And so here that I think they felt pressure of,

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like we've got to insert this weird parent storyline.

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Speaker 1: We just need something different. Yeah, but I remember, like

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Spider Man fit because people forget. I mean, we all

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love Sam Raimi Spider Man's I do, but I remember

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there were people who were critical of them because Peter

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didn't have web shooters. He had organic web shooters, and

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that was problem, and they were mad that they can

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buying Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane into one character for

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the first film, which I didn't care about. It became

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a problem in the third film. We're like, oh wait,

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now Gwent Stacy's here. Feels like a weird character to

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throw in there. So they were happy, like, oh, he's

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gonna have mechanical web shooters and they're doing Gwen Stacy

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before Mary Jane. This is gonna be perfect, and like

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that that's all you needed for a good Spider Man movie.

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This sucks, but yeah, let's let's get into this film.

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Swing into it. Swing into it. So it opens up. Uh,

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we get the Spider Man logo and what do you

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know it webs come out and then fly it towards

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the screen. That's like the only like three D ship

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that they do. The original credits for the first film

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will look better in three D than this. We can

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see young Peter playing hide and seek with his dad, Yes,

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who takes hide and Seek very seriously. He sets up

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like his shoes and like a broom with a hat

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on it. What the fuck? Just like, that's a very

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complicated game hide and seek.

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Speaker 2: Your dad overthought this, but especially the second movie sets

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up that at this point, I think he's already begun

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his process escaping Oscorp.

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Speaker 1: It's I guess he's like, Okay, I need to keep

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Peter busy. You know what.

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Speaker 2: He's a little dull side broom in a couple of shoes.

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I'm like, Dad, why are you being so quiet? He'll

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talk to that broom for the next couple of hours. So, yeah,

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Peter's looking for his dad. His dad's office is trashed, yes,

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que the James Horner score.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to mention late James Horner did music for this,

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and I was expecting it to be better and it

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just wasn't. That's good. I don't want to speak ill

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of the dead. James Horner did a lot of great music.

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Speaker 2: If anything, you're complimenting him, like he knew not to

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waste his energy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, uh so, yeah, his dad's like, oh crap, ah

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my secret files. And he pulls out like a cabinet

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that had a secret fake thing that he hit other

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files underneath. So he's like, okay, we gotta go. So

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he grabs Peter's mom and they drop him off at

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Ben and May's house. Ben is h Martin Sheen. Yes, yes,

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you know, he wanted to redeem himself in a comic

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book movie after Spawn, and he was just like, I

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just really gonna make up for Spawn, I think. And

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we got Sally Field, who thinks pires Brosidan's funnier than

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Robin Williams. We all learned that recently. Yeah. Yeah, so

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they're Ben and May, and I think she said that

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she only really like did these movies as like a

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favor to like a producer friend of hers or something

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that makes sense to me. Because she's like since been

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like how they sucked? Yeah, which is kind of dumb

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that they wanted to do a Mary aunt May spinoff?

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What the fuck was that? I loved?

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Speaker 2: I remember that crazy time where Sony kept trying to

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figure out how do we build a cinematic universe around

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Spider Man and they kept coming up with the dumbest ideas.

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It was so fun to keep up with it all though,

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Like I was so looking forward to all these spinoffs

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Venom More Beasts, not because I wanted to see the movies,

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but almost just as like a bystander to see just

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how badly are they going to screw all this up?

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Speaker 1: And if you want to know how badly, go back

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and watch by what is the worst Sony Spider Man

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spin off episode? We did? All of that? That was

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the year I reviewed Madam web twice and did a

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commentary track for it.

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Speaker 2: I love how they kept double doubling and tripling down, like, okay,

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we the people who wrote More Beasts.

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Speaker 1: The movie flopped.

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Speaker 2: It sucked crazy idea higher again with the worst side

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Madam Webb.

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Speaker 1: Say he drops him off at Beneme's uh, and then

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we cut to the future. Uh. Peter's being bullied by

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Flash Flash Thompson the high school meathead jock at their

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science high school.

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Speaker 2: Well correction, though Peter's not being bullied by him. Some

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other kid is being bullied and Peter steps in.

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Speaker 1: Well that that's in a little bit first, like Flash

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has given him shit. He's not like full on bullying Peter.

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But yeah, they go to they change Midtown High to

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like a science high school, like it's a tech school

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or something, and like, I didn't go to tech school.

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I don't know. I assume they have sports or something.

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But it's just it's just weird that this like meathead

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guy is like, are you got a school for nerds?

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Such a it didn't work. I like what they did

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with the new Flash Thopson. He's still a bully, but

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he's like a modern bully, not like the meathead believe.

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Speaker 2: In this movie kind of gives up on Flash being

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a bully.

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Speaker 1: Like real early on. Yeah, but yeah. Then he talks

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to a lady and she's like, hey, I notice you

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take pictures. You take pictures of my boyfriend's.

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Speaker 2: Car, which reminded me of that sketch where the guy

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keeps trying to help her.

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Speaker 1: Oh was a Matt Berry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that

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drinks for my boyfriend fuck off, which, by the way,

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that wasn't a year or two ago. That was happening

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to me a lot, and I was like talking to

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Crystal about it, and I sent her a compilation of

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like this is how I feel, and it was just

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all those skin Because I was talking to like some

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girl I think she knew for like two weeks. The

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girl casually dropped like, yeah, then me and my boyfriend,

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I went, why have you been talking to me for

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two weeks? What is this? What the fuck? So yeah,

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she's like, take a picture of my boyfriend's car. He's

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a little let down, but he's super into Gwen Stacy Yes,

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who is played by Emma Stone, the girl from the

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canceled Nathan Fillion series Drive. That's where we all know

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her from, so I think, actually, hold on, hold on

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one second, Spider Man connection, hold on, Yes, Drive, a

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movie show that she started with Dylan Baker, the guy

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who was supposed to be the lizard in the Sam

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Raymie movie Wow Multiverse, Oh the same Ray Movies kind

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of messed that up because he was like, I'm a chemist,

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not a biologist. It's like well, how's he gonna do

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lizard shit at some point? But anyway, yeah, so, uh

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Emmistone obviously from super Bad. That was probably the big one,

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an easy a a movie I never saw but people

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kept saying was great, and I remember it was solid.

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It was one of those like I'll get to it.

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Never got to it. Uh yeah. She was the hot

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thing at the time and he really likes her, and

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so did the real life Andrew Garfield because they dated

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for years.

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Speaker 2: Do I do I sense a tinge of jealousy?

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Speaker 1: Not in this movie. No, no, no, no, no, no no,

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it's annoyance, but that will come in the second movie.

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It's the second movie where I sat there going, I

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get it. You're fucking like, can we can we filmed

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around this? I feel like you just let a camera roll?

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What is this?

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Speaker 2: He's just bringing some of his bitterness into this. He

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was going on all at the time.

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Speaker 1: When I saw it, I was like, oh my god,

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I get it. Can we smooth to the next scene? Fine?

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In this movie because of this movie, they're still acting,

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so they're being characters, whereas the next movie they forgot

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that they were playing Peter and Gwen two people in love. Yeah, congratulations.

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By the way, the same weekend, Kill and Casey separately

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both kind of gage the same weekend.

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Speaker 2: I thought that I think I did it first, though

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by like a couple hours. Yeah, I think she stole

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my idea.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we joked the picture of yours, like

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I think you see Casey down on the street, but

472
00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:47,160
the year is where Flash is bullying the kid. And

473
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,039
then we learned that Flash's real name is Eugene. Yes,

474
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,759
put him down, Eugene.

475
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: I wish my bullies bullied me this way. It was

476
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,960
like eat it, and I'm like, I love eating.

477
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: This is great, but this is Andrew Garfield's like, okay

478
00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,960
here as pre Spider Man, Peter Parker, He's fine. Why

479
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,079
did people like him so much in this? Does he

480
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:14,880
work for you? Like?

481
00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:17,759
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like people are pretty split, or at

482
00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,240
least I remember a pretty a lot of people were

483
00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:23,640
against it because I thought he was too cool, like stateboarding,

484
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,160
And I do think there's an element of he's more

485
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,000
confident than you expect from Peter Parker, the fact that

486
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,400
he's he's supposed to be the one getting bullied, not

487
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,079
the one standing up for the other nerds getting bullied.

488
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:39,839
Because it does create a little bit less contrast between meek,

489
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,480
downtrodden Peter to post spider Bite. There's a it's kind

490
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,000
of a fantasy fulfillment. Like when you watch the Toby

491
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,640
maguire version, You're like, I want to be Spider Man.

492
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,640
He wakes up the next day, He's got like a

493
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,279
six pack, he doesn't need his glasses anymore. When I

494
00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:55,920
watched this movie, I'm like, I did not want to

495
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,440
be Spider Man.

496
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: It looks miserable, seems like it'd be a bad time.

497
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he's I think he's fine.

498
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,440
But you do again if you just list out the

499
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,960
things that make Spider Man special, that you take away

500
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,440
sort of like, the better his life is pre spider Bite,

501
00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:13,079
the less you feel that element, yeah transforms. And so

502
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,720
here you've got him standing up against Flash. You've already

503
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,759
got him flirting with Gwen Stacy. I'm like, you can

504
00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:18,720
already pick up girls.

505
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, spider Bite. He doesn't have to be like a

506
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:24,680
super mega nerd like I know, like some people think,

507
00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:26,440
but if you actually read some of the comics, he's

508
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,440
not like that bad. He's not like that dweebee. No.

509
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:34,799
Speaker 2: It also it always depends on which iteration you're reading.

510
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:36,680
I mean, you go back to the first couple of

511
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,359
issues of Spider Man, he's pretty dewee bye and it's

512
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,799
like I literally have no friends and everybody's making fun

513
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,400
of him. But there's different versions, but there is sort

514
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,960
of for all these characters. It's kind of like a

515
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,319
general mythos of like what has become the public's understanding

516
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,799
of the character. Yeah, and this definitely deviates from that

517
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,400
a little. Again, not inherently a bad thing, but you're

518
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,000
taking away some of what makes him special.

519
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets his camera busted, and he loves photography.

520
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,319
Speaker 2: Sometimes easy to forget until the camera pops up here

521
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,119
and there. I think that is another element where it's

522
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,400
like he was a photographer and its Tobe Maguire version. Yeah,

523
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,519
so we can't draw too much attention to that here.

524
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: Well, they have to set up that he Yeah, that's

525
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,200
weird because then they don't do the daily bugle really. No.

526
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: He gets a few emails from Jonah in the second movie, Yeah.

527
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: And that's it. Yeah, it's weird how they didn't want like, well,

528
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,599
you kind of have to do certain things that are

529
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,599
Spider Man. You don't have to do the Origin again.

530
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:30,240
That's the thing.

531
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,519
Speaker 2: If you ask anybody in the audience like a poll,

532
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:35,359
like do you need an hour on Peter Parker's origins?

533
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:35,799
Speaker 1: No?

534
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,839
Speaker 2: Do you mind if we put the camera in there?

535
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,240
The camera's fine, yeah, yeah, I don't need an hour

536
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:41,880
of the Origin.

537
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: But the Daily Bugle, I'm like, yeah, sure, yeah, nobody

538
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,599
has a problem with that. Yeah, So the camera's budzet.

539
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,880
It gives him a reason to talk to gwinn uh,

540
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,000
and he's definitely into her. And then he goes home

541
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,839
and the basement's flooding and Uncle Ben's like, you gotta

542
00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:58,079
help me in the basement. It's flooding, and I don't know,

543
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,960
some tech talk about whatever, probably, And this is where

544
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,160
he finds the briefcase from his dad. Yes, Ben just

545
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,160
forgot was down there, I guess, uh, And he like

546
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:10,480
goes through it and he sees a paper clipping of

547
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,839
Kurt Connors played by what's his name.

548
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: Ree eons sure, And if we find out it's pronounced

549
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,079
differently later, you can dub it over.

550
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: It could be in your voice. He's one of the

551
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,079
bag He was one of the evil brothers from Little

552
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,839
Nikki and he is fantastic in House of the Dragon. Yes,

553
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,759
and he was in Hannibal Rising. Oh wow. It was

554
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:36,480
like one of the first like big, like bad guy

555
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,680
move obviously besides the little Nicky which we all know

556
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,119
in love. I thought he was pretty good in that.

557
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,880
And then he came back to Spider Man in Venom three,

558
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,960
but not as Kurt, not as an ultimate universe Kirk Connors,

559
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,319
as some alien seeking hippie guy.

560
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:54,559
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you asked him, like, you know, how

561
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:56,680
does this connect to Amazing Spider Man, he'd be like,

562
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,799
what's amazing Spider Man?

563
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that also annoyed me that this was a reboot,

564
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,559
because I'm like, well, it feels like the movie we're

565
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,279
gonna do Lizard at some point. Now. It's annoying that

566
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,440
so you're finally getting the Lizard, but not the one

567
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,200
that you were waiting for for three movies. This is

568
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,079
a different Lizard.

569
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: I feel like if they did this today, they would

570
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,599
have just brought Dylan Baker back. Yeah, and in the

571
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:19,599
same way they brought Ja Jon and jameson the same

572
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,240
actor his name j Yeah, the way they brought him

573
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,359
back for Far From Home and No Way Home.

574
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,519
Speaker 1: But they just brought this lizard back for no way. Yeah,

575
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:35,000
but Peter does some research and Ben tries to talk

576
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,160
to him about his dad. Apparently they haven't really mentioned

577
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,880
his father a lot since they just well died. We

578
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,799
see on like a thing that they died.

579
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,799
Speaker 2: But I feel like the movie kind of like this

580
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,319
movie communicates a lot through like little snippets where we

581
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,000
have to pause to see it. Say, Peter's doing research

582
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,039
and it's like Richard and May Parker are dead and

583
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,039
playing Mary Parker, Mary Parker plane crash.

584
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the weird thing because the rest of it

585
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,039
is they I don't think they ever say that they're dead.

586
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:04,279
I think it's just implied that they're gone or missing.

587
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,200
Do they ever outright say that they're dead.

588
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and check again.

589
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,559
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, And that's weird that no one

590
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:11,720
ever mentions a plane crash. You're right, it's just the

591
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:12,640
newspaper thing.

592
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,559
Speaker 2: It's like it's the same thing with like later when

593
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:16,960
you get into the Lizard's master plan of like I'm

594
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,119
gonna make everybody lizards. Yeah, earlier in the movie you

595
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,480
see little snippets of articles where it's like doctor Kirk

596
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,599
Connor's we can reach equality by making everybody powerful and strong.

597
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,559
That is his villain motivation, which is like, when I

598
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,200
think of inequality, I'm not usually like, well, the rich

599
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,279
people they can all bench more than you have lizard's strength,

600
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:37,960
then we'd all be equal if I could bench as

601
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:38,920
much as Elon musk.

602
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,279
Speaker 1: Because yeah, because lizards get along so well with each other,

603
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:49,440
they don't eat each other or anything. He's definitely wrong

604
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,119
about one thing about lizards, and they can't wait to

605
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,519
talk about that. But anyway, so he's basically like, Okay,

606
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,799
that guy is Kirk Connor's. Your dad worked for him,

607
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,759
but we haven't seen him since your dad left, right,

608
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,640
died in a plane crash. So Peters was like, all right,

609
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,960
I better go talk to him. So he sees reports

610
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,279
about the crash, sees that he works at Ozcorp. So

611
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,079
we're setting up Ozcorp. But they're obviously not doing Norman

612
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,240
Osborne in this one.

613
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:16,519
Speaker 2: Wait, this is another one where they they're shying away

614
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,319
from Norman Osborne. They'll mention him.

615
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: You see a silhouette.

616
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, those little elements I feel like become kind of distracted. Yeah,

617
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,559
because then it's like as an audience member, You're like, wait,

618
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:27,680
who's playing Norman Osborne.

619
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: He's a big character.

620
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess that's like a little sequel to set

621
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,720
out there, because if this were just a normal movie

622
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960
and Norman Osborne it's such an important figure, they wouldn't

623
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,960
be shying away from him, like there'd be no reason to.

624
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm thinking it's kind of like the Ultimate

625
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,559
Spider line where I think, like some of the bad

626
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,759
guys came from Oscorp. Like I think Doc in the

627
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,200
Ultimate Spider Man Comics, at least Volume one that I

628
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,640
read years ago, like Doctor Ocfus is using the arms

629
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,559
because he works.

630
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: At the even the symbio was created by him, like

631
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:57,519
Eddie Brock Senior, and uh.

632
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think they're doing that where like Oz,

633
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,079
it's a problem in the second movie where literally it's

634
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,759
a bad GUYE factory. Yeah, and I think I never

635
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,079
like continued it. I wasn't joying it. But the My

636
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Adventures with Superman cartoon, I think they had that problem,

637
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,920
like all the classic villains were all coming from the

638
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720
government agency Cadmus, and they all had similar armor, and

639
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:18,400
I'm like, well that's kind of leame. But I like

640
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,279
everything else in the show.

641
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: But that in a way though, it kind of makes

642
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,799
the world make more sense because it's always like as

643
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,680
soon as the hero shows up, now all of a sudden,

644
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,039
we start getting super villains in the world. But if

645
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:34,039
the hero's origins are tied to this like evil corporation,

646
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,920
that's also making the villains. That timing kind of makes

647
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,400
more sense.

648
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just then only that they're literally

649
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,279
all coming out of the same building. It's like a

650
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200
guy factory, the bad guy factory. Let's just pump them out.

651
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:46,759
That was a big criticism of these at the time.

652
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,079
They're like, oh, they're all just gonna come out of Osgorne. Cool.

653
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,599
Like I think even too, they had like a symbia

654
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,839
or something in there, and it's like even they couldn't

655
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,000
even come from space anyway. So yeah, he uh, he

656
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:02,160
goes to Oscorp. And then he steals an internship from

657
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,000
a brave Latino man which was a bean, which I

658
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,400
was bean. But then you see this poor man going like,

659
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,920
please let me in. Peters is covering it off. I'm like,

660
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160
that was kind of mean. That's a scene that would

661
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,880
not happen today.

662
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,559
Speaker 2: It's also funny because the movie is shot in a

663
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,720
pretty I think Mark Webb that's his name, right, Yeah,

664
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,799
he's shooting it in a pretty grounded way, and then

665
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,480
there's just He's like, like that is such a throwaway

666
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,000
like joke that just doesn't fit the tone of this

667
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,119
movie where it's like pretty serious, and then obviously when

668
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,480
you get to the villain it becomes super over the top.

669
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:38,519
Speaker 1: Of the ridiculous. But also this is look, I like Ironman,

670
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,799
I don't mind holograms, but these movies went so in

671
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,640
on holograms. Like for some reason, it didn't bother me

672
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,480
in like the Marvel stuff, but like these they're just

673
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,480
everywhere holograms. Ever, Jurassic World did it. Fucking Prometheus had

674
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:56,160
holograms and I'm like, oh god, what the fucking hologram displays.

675
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,480
I don't know why it bothered me so much at

676
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,319
the time. Maybe I finally got used to it. Yeah,

677
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,440
but they definitely were overdoing it at some point, right.

678
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, it's the same with like we went

679
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480
through a hologram phase, we're going through a nanotech phase.

680
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's always been the original Star

681
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Wars has holograms, not like Anti holograms, just like there

682
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,079
were too many movies at once that all had the

683
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,680
same kind of holograms, and I'm like, all right enough.

684
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,079
Speaker 2: And especially when it's like Spider Man is meant to

685
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,200
basically be our world. Yeah, and it's like, so it's

686
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440
it's our world, but in reality where what if holograms

687
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,640
existed everywhere?

688
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, Spider Man's racist anyway, what a coincidence? Quinn

689
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:38,359
Stacey works there at Osborne for doctor Connors. I can't

690
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,519
believe it. And Connor's just talk about how he wants

691
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:46,759
to splice reptile DNA with humans to help heal, and

692
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,160
he mentions that his arm is broken, or like is

693
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,200
broken not broken missing, and look, I felt a little

694
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,400
ripped off Gil. Luckily this comics from the sixties. But

695
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,559
my senior thesis film Getting on the Slide, which came

696
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:05,240
out that same year, opens up with the main character's

697
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,640
older brother getting his arm cut off, and he's very

698
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,279
upset because he was supposed to be a sculptor one day,

699
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,440
and most of his character is him being sad that

700
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,880
his arm got cut off. And then I watched this

701
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,079
movie and I'm like, I just made the same movie

702
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:20,480
minus the lizard part.

703
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,559
Speaker 2: So it was like all of his sculptures would just

704
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,319
have one side down on the other side, It's like

705
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,480
he can make a he's cursed to only make half sculptures.

706
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. We show him trying to make it.

707
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,119
He just can't get it.

708
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,319
Speaker 2: I think if you complain about all this stuff long enough,

709
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:35,839
one day, you'll get your accolades.

710
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: All these movies. It was funny at the time watching

711
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,039
this theater, I'm like, I literally made a movie about

712
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,920
a guy who's really sad about his arm being cut off.

713
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,200
We never learned how doctor Connor has lost his arm.

714
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,440
I don't think it was racing his Razor scooter against

715
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,839
a Dodge Challenger, much like my film.

716
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,079
Speaker 2: And I think one problem with os Corp. Okay, going

717
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,920
back to the Holograms, they have all this great technology

718
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:04,000
they'd been studying the spiders. Later, when Peter Parker makes

719
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,319
the web, he's actually stealing oscorp technology the bio cable. Yeah,

720
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,839
they have such great technology. It really stretches believability that

721
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:17,039
they haven't been able to reverse engineer Peter's dad's Yeah.

722
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, he just buys his web from Odscorp and

723
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,559
no one ever puts together, like, who's that web Betos? Well, yeah,

724
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,599
there's I know that.

725
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: That was one of the big complaints about both these

726
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,720
movies is how he's not very careful with his secret identity. Yeah,

727
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,640
and like, I think every superhero movie with a secret

728
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,160
identity requires you to squint a little bit to make

729
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,480
it work, but you don't want to draw so much

730
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,799
attention to it where the audience is like, there's no

731
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,279
way people wouldn't piece this together.

732
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: By the way, I had another moment where I it

733
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,720
justifies the whole wide no one recognizes Superman and Clark Kent.

734
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,680
You don't need hypno glass of the streams gun. I

735
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,079
reviewed Dragonheart recently, right, that had uh, what's her face?

736
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Dynamier in it from the Sault movies and everything the

737
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,319
Redhead right, and then I did Piranha three. Didn't even

738
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,880
realize she was in it because she wore a cowboy hat.

739
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,680
I literally review those movies like a few weeks apart,

740
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,719
and in editing I'm like, wait, Dina Meyers and this,

741
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,719
I'm like where And I'm like, oh, she wore a

742
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,679
cowboy hat and I thought it was a completely different woman.

743
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,639
I'm like the Superman glasses thing it would work on me.

744
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,760
I'd be like, that's a completely different bons tested. When

745
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,679
we do Amazing Spider Man too, I'll put a cowboy

746
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,480
hat on. I'll be like, who the hell is this guy?

747
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,639
It was cracking me up and editing. I'm like, wait,

748
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,400
I talked about that actress a lot, and where is she? Like, Oh,

749
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,079
she had at a hat on? Fooled me. Gwen questions

750
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,280
why Peter's there because he's like, you're not supposed to

751
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,000
be here, mister Couivero or whatever the hell his name

752
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,840
was that he stole, and then Peter bumps into a

753
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,960
character called regeet Ratha played by the I forgot to

754
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,639
write his name down if fron Con I think his

755
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,400
name was, or something from Life of Pie, Jurassic World,

756
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,039
some dog millionaire, really great actor who's no longer with us,

757
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,079
But I remember at the time people thought he was

758
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,440
gonna be Proto Goblin. And I know you, Gil, you

759
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,559
were like, Protogoblin's my favorite. I only own Spider Man

760
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,679
comics with Proto Goblin. You had a whole Proto.

761
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Goblin his birthday park, ranting and raving about it all morning.

762
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: And when you found out they hired anindy guy. You're like,

763
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
not my proto Goblet. You were you were picketing, And

764
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,159
then it turns out he wasn't that. I didn't know

765
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,320
there was a proto Goblin. I remember at the time

766
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,840
you were like, yeah, I guys gonna be Protogoblin, And

767
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,119
I went, there's a proto who's a proto Goblet? Now

768
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:29,920
I feel like that's a record And it's like the

769
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,800
first one they test the serum on. They're gonna have Peter.

770
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: His parents are clones from The Jackal, Who's gonna be

771
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,760
a proto Goblin.

772
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,559
Speaker 1: But it turns out he's just some guy. He's evil

773
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:43,679
business man. I'm wondering if this is a Fantastic four

774
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,599
twenty fifteen thing where Tim Blake Nelson was clearly supposed

775
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,079
to be Mullman at one point and then they went, no,

776
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:51,960
he's not Mullman because we're gonna blow his head up,

777
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,039
make him someone else. Uh So, yeah, he bumps into Peter,

778
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,320
and Peter sees that he has a logo from his

779
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,320
dad's files. Yeah the Doubles zero. Yes. So he's like,

780
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,159
I gotta follow this guy, and he follows him to

781
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,119
a spider lab and then for some reason, Peter walks

782
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,519
into the spider lab where the spiders aren't behind glass

783
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,400
or anything. I don't know about you kill, but I

784
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,400
wouldn't walk into like experimental lab area where the spiders

785
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,719
are just out and about without any protective outfits, would you? No?

786
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,400
Probably not.

787
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,679
Speaker 2: And there are there's a lot in this movie where

788
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,039
it's like why today, Like how has this never happened before?

789
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,119
Like going back to the beginning, Like okay, Gwen notices

790
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,519
Peter because he stands up to Flash. Why was today,

791
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:37,440
of all days.

792
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: The first time?

793
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gonna be confident today today I'm standing

794
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,079
up to him, or like I'm so curious about my parents,

795
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,119
But never once have I dug through the basement's like

796
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,000
look through their things, like I've dug through my parents'

797
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,719
old things because I was curious what happened. I remember

798
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,639
we had an in television growing up. Here's where is

799
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:52,079
that thing?

800
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Let alone?

801
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: Like the trauma of like I want to know who

802
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,039
my real parents are and now here it's like that

803
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,119
easy to walk in and get bit by a spider

804
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,599
and it's never happened to any like lab Tech walked in.

805
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,679
Speaker 1: Well, they probably all died and got covered up. We

806
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,840
learned in the next film that the Oscorp's really great

807
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719
at covering up thing. Yes, but yeah, I just don't

808
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,840
know why his character would want to walk into that.

809
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,440
That's like the spider bite is supposed to be an accident,

810
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,400
right Like like in the original one, it goes through

811
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,679
the radiation, they don't even know it's there. In the

812
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,440
sam Raimi one, it broke out and Peter didn't know there.

813
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,320
Even like the Ultimate Comics, I think Oscorp makes the spider,

814
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,760
and that also brings out this is the secret origins.

815
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,639
Speaker 2: Nothing is a mistake, nothing is an accident anymore, which

816
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:34,199
makes it better.

817
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,039
Speaker 1: But even even like a fucking Spider Verse, the spider

818
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,280
comes and bites smile. It's weird that, like it's supposed

819
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,960
to be an accident, but it's less of an accident

820
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,880
when Peter's just like, I'm wearing no protective gear. These

821
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960
are experimental spiders that might have something wrong with them,

822
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:49,320
just gonna walk in look around.

823
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,599
Speaker 2: I probably would have walked in there. Act in retrospect,

824
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,000
like that room looks so cool with all the blue

825
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:54,840
lights and everything.

826
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,599
Speaker 1: And as I see the spiders get occasionally I'll see

827
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,480
a spider down here. When it goes away, I'm like, well,

828
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,239
I'm done working for the day. I'm gonna go upstairs

829
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,159
and run the dehumidifier and hopefully it's gone tomorrow.

830
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Channel goes dark for a month. I saw a spider

831
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:07,920
down there.

832
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: I can't catch them sometimes sometimes they move really quick.

833
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,679
Spider Man's quick. I don't know if you know that.

834
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,440
And he got it from real spiders. He walks there,

835
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:19,239
they fall over him, and I remember when they showed

836
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,639
this in the trailer. I'm like, wait, so you gonna

837
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,559
get bit by like a million spiders. Turns out that's

838
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,480
not the case, and the reason they're there is because

839
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:30,199
that's them making the webs. Excuse I guess later, I

840
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,039
don't know. See how they fall over, and then we

841
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:34,880
get he gets out of there. He doesn't realize that

842
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,119
there's one in the jacket. Kirk Connor's updates Ragiet on

843
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:42,440
the cure for Norman Osborne. So we now know that

844
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Norman Osborne is dying and these spiders are important to

845
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,639
his cure, and Connor's just like, oh man, I'm trying

846
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,599
my best here. There's really not much I can do.

847
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,199
So that's just to establish like why the spiders even exist. Uh.

848
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,519
Gwen takes Peter's badge and tells him that get the

849
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:00,320
hell out of there, and he gets bit right then

850
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:06,760
and there. On the subway, a bunch of drunk guys

851
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,960
thinks it'll be funny to put a beer bottle on

852
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,039
Spider Man's head.

853
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: The movies idea of what happens on the subway. Yeah,

854
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,000
weird things happen on the subway. Yeah, I know, usually

855
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,760
scarier than like someone balancing a beer bottle on your head.

856
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to get the Channel flagger. There was

857
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,079
like a really scary thing that happened last year, or

858
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:25,599
like in a.

859
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: Joker where like a bunch of Wall Street bros. Or

860
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,800
I send in the clowns, and I'm like, of all

861
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,599
the crazy stuff that I've seen on the subway, someone

862
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,559
menacingly singing at me, that one hasn't happened.

863
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,159
Speaker 1: Yes, but I've had a white guy be really annoying

864
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,599
on the subway. But he was insanely homeless and kept

865
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,079
raising his fist to us. And something that's like a

866
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,719
real thing. I've never seen this where it's like I'm

867
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,800
gonna put my beer on that guy's head for no reason.

868
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:59,639
I'm just a weird guy. But this triggers his Spider

869
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,239
sense that only for this movie are like flashes of

870
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,840
things that make him freak out. It will never work

871
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,159
like this ever again. Does he even uses Spider sense

872
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:09,920
really at the end?

873
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,679
Speaker 2: I mean it's questionable, like anytime the movie goes into

874
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,400
slow motion, like, is that him using his Spider sense?

875
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: I guess so, yeah, I guess so. Man, I'm just

876
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,400
thinking of that crazy guy who tried to punch.

877
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,519
Speaker 2: Me and my friend's and I see I've ripped open

878
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,800
some old traumas because it's like it's one of those

879
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,400
like the doors open and you can tell everyone's like,

880
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,519
please don't stand near us, please.

881
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: Oh god, he's standing here.

882
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,519
Speaker 2: Hey Tony, I'm sorry I menaced you on the subway.

883
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,880
I just wanted a fist bump.

884
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: We he was literally he just kept going fuck get

885
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,519
raised on his fist, and we're just like, man, what's

886
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:44,199
the next stuff.

887
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,159
Speaker 2: I had one that where somebody just kept miming a

888
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,000
shotgun blast at different people. He's like, I'm gonna get you,

889
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:52,679
I'm gonna get you, and I'm like, don't point that

890
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,199
thing at me.

891
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: There's the there's the I love the Christian rappers. They're

892
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,199
pretty fun. Yeah, I have it. If my extra over

893
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,719
wasn't in it, I play the video right now, but I can't.

894
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,639
We're actually gonna be funny, like the guys who dance

895
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,079
on the subway. Spider Man can have fun with those guys.

896
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:10,800
He's like, they want to show you what's up. I

897
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,840
hate that one just because like when they're when they're

898
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,320
swinging around and their feet are like, yeah, that's the thing.

899
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,199
I actually don't mind when it happens, like that's actually

900
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,880
pretty cool. Then they get too close. You're like that, yeah, lay.

901
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: Fire, I don't mind you doing this, But like I

902
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,719
didn't sign up to do. Like I know you're saying, like,

903
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,960
don't worry. I'm I'm experienced with this. I can't, but

904
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,320
do I have to take on the risk?

905
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: He jumps up. He accidentally rips the girl's shirt off. Yes. Uh.

906
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,800
The guy's like, what are you doing? God, I'm so mad,

907
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,119
and it's like, well, you're the one putting beer bottles

908
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,199
on sleeping guy's head. You're also an asshole guy. And

909
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,920
he just like his first fight is him just accidentally

910
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,840
beating up a bunch of dudes. Yes, it's like, wow, heroic. Okay,

911
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,159
So he goes home and he catches a fly in

912
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,079
front of May, and he's looking bad. He's like looking

913
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,760
at there, not as bad as Toby are all pale

914
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,880
and die. But he grabs the thing and he eats

915
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,800
just like a bunch of frozen food. Yeah, even on

916
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,119
May's meat loaf. Yeah, nobody likes her meat loaf. And

917
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,360
that's just like I've been cooking meat over thirty years.

918
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,559
You never told me. And then I don't get why

919
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:16,719
there's a web in his neck?

920
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was It was a gross and like weird.

921
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

922
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he pulls a spider off his neck, but there's

923
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880
like a strand of web into like this hole in

924
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,639
the back of his neck.

925
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: That was weird. Yeah, and I guess the spider's dead.

926
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,400
That's one thing that first Sam Raymie Spider Man mother,

927
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,880
like where that spider go? Yeah it was alive? Yeah, true?

928
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,559
What happened to that?

929
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,639
Speaker 2: Maybe he went on and bit a certain Cindy Moon.

930
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:39,519
He can become silk later on.

931
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 1: Right, I forgot about silk.

932
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: The Ultimate Universe just gets stomped on, right, And this

933
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,360
did not do the gross Sam Raimi thing where you

934
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,559
see the little spider like legs sticking.

935
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,679
Speaker 1: Out of his hands. Yeah, and everything you just apply

936
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,039
that they're there. He destroys everything in his room. Uh,

937
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,000
and he freaks out every noise that he hears because

938
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,320
his senses are going nuts.

939
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:07,119
Speaker 2: My favorite part of that was probably when he's like typing, Yeah,

940
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,000
it's all nonsense and all the keys are stuck to

941
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:09,559
his fingers.

942
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: But he decides he's got to like look into his

943
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,719
father's relationship with spiders, and the best way to do

944
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,920
that is to use bing. He was bing. Bing was

945
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,960
the thing at the time.

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: If Sony had their own search engine, that's what they

947
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:25,639
would have.

948
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: I think the next movie goes right to Google. They're like, yeah,

949
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,000
bing didn't work out. I still think it should have

950
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,400
did what movies did before that and make up search engines.

951
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
What's the one I always thought, Oh, Nightmare and Elm

952
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,079
Street the remake. I think it's called like blast Off

953
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:41,239
or rocket Flast. Yeah. He goes to Kirk Connor's house,

954
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,159
and you're right, yo, I'm glad that they did a

955
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:47,320
really good job at not repeating anything the previous movies did. Anyway,

956
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,719
someone knocks something down and Peter catches it and someone

957
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,679
goes good reflexes. That's an homage, I guess, but it's

958
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,480
like also not as impressive as the sam Raimie won.

959
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,119
Speaker 2: Well, the sam Raimi won recatches all the food and

960
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,119
Kate did you know?

961
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah actually real, Yeah, I know. Connor's was excited about

962
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,679
the research they were doing, but his partner, Richard Parker,

963
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,639
took all the research and left and it set them behind.

964
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,800
He wasn't able to replicate any of the stuff, so

965
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,760
he felt betrayed by him. Peter shows him that he

966
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,559
figured out some equations or just got them from his dad,

967
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,719
and Connor's like, what, this is what I've been looking for.

968
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,039
Let's meet up an Oscorp. Come work for me right now.

969
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: Though an astute redditor, I saw when Andrew Garfield writes

970
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,599
the dec rate algorithm for Kirk Connor's if you freeze

971
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,119
frame and then compare it to the formula in his

972
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,159
dad's notebook, they do differ slightly, so maybe he misremembered it.

973
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,000
He screwed it up, and that's why Kirk Connors becomes

974
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,480
a lizard.

975
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:50,679
Speaker 1: That's you know what. That probably would have been one

976
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,639
of the fifteen deleted scenes. It should have been.

977
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know because I kind of dozed off watching it.

978
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,159
Speaker 1: Then I have it here. Peter does sports good. Yes,

979
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,639
I'm embarrassed too good.

980
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he jumps like thirty feet in the air,

981
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,840
and I feel like if I was in his school,

982
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,719
I would be like, he's Spider Man.

983
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: What do you call it? Hannibal Burris? Uh? He was

984
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
a guest. You know, he's in the other Spider Man movies,

985
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,719
the newer ones. It's the gym teacher or whatever. Right, right,

986
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,760
he was on how did this get made? Back when

987
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,320
I used to listen to that show when it was good? Uh,

988
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,480
And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna be on a new

989
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:28,199
Spider Man movie. Like what are He's like, I'm one

990
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,559
of those guys that sees Peter Parker do something crazy

991
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:34,320
and I go whoa, And I somehow don't know he's

992
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,239
Spider Man, Like, how'd you do that? Peter? You're not

993
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,920
Spider Man? Say embarrass his flash, he breaks the backboard,

994
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,159
gets in trouble. Uncle Ben is like, hey, it's not

995
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,079
right to get even you gotta now that de let

996
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,280
it see with the lizard. Oh that makes so much

997
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,559
more sense now sorry. Uh. Yeah, He's just like I

998
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,199
know that guy did something bad to you, but you're

999
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,440
just supposed to take it and not do anything. I'm like,

1000
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,000
what kind of hippie stuff is this? He's like, don't

1001
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,400
look for revenge or whatever. It's like, okay, I get

1002
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,320
what he's trying to say, but really this move this

1003
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,719
is unrealistic because it's always like I'm teaching you a lesson,

1004
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,719
but in real life it's just your parents being like,

1005
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,159
I don't want to be called in here Stopp's He

1006
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,360
didn't even he didn't even beat him up. Yeah, that

1007
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:21,639
was the weird thing. He just did sports good in

1008
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:22,039
front of it.

1009
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you can do sports good, but not not spitefully.

1010
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: Don't show off how good you are. Fucking what you

1011
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,960
call it. Ben Parker is probably one of the people

1012
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,000
that was like they got a band celebrations during the NFL,

1013
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:36,840
Like when they get to the when they make a touchdown,

1014
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,119
no more touchdown celebrations in the audience. Yeah, like, oh

1015
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,079
it's funny when they did. I don't even watch football,

1016
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:44,440
but it's funny when they dance and she's you.

1017
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,119
Speaker 2: Know, any other team, Yeah, great power. You know he

1018
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,360
wouldn't say that. He'd be like with great power. You know,

1019
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,840
you're really good at a lot of stuff, and you know,

1020
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,440
one might say you have responsibility a lot of problems.

1021
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: I had a lot of problems with this uncle Ben. Uh.

1022
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:58,760
But he tells him like, look, I had to switch shift,

1023
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,480
so you have to pick ant may up tonight.

1024
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: Don't forget yeah, which which Toby maguire had this too,

1025
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,559
where it was like, we're gonna paint a fenceless yeah,

1026
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:07,480
and he did forget.

1027
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, what an asshole. I know. He also wing Man's

1028
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,480
for him. He's like, oh, Gwen, you're on his computer.

1029
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,440
It's like, that's the worst way you could have phrased that. Uh.

1030
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,719
And then Peter has a Kevin Bacon Footloose style montage

1031
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,559
where he's in a warehouse testing out his abilities, and

1032
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:32,039
I literally kept thinking of Footloots. Kevin Bacon gets angry

1033
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:38,119
starts dancing. Of course, we all know, we all know Footloose. Obviously,

1034
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:42,239
that's like your favorite movie. Yeah, hot Rod parodied it

1035
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,119
pretty well with Andy Sandberg dancing in the woods, but

1036
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,000
this really did feel like Footloose. I kind of want

1037
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:53,079
to put the music to the fucking scene.

1038
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,679
Speaker 2: Instead we had we had cold Play, yeah, which it

1039
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,119
did feel. I feel like anytime the movie goes into

1040
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,480
like Rome Man, it's or teen drama, like this does

1041
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,000
feel like Web is shooting this. Well, yeah, this works,

1042
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,360
it's just not necessarily as a great Spider Man swinging.

1043
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,159
Speaker 1: On chains and he's like, I should probably be a

1044
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:18,679
swinging spider guy. Uh. Connors shows Peter around Oscorp and

1045
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:22,159
he goes, here's our cannon, our cloud cannon. Sure it

1046
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,480
has a name. It's like it just shoots a bunch

1047
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:25,440
of shit in the air.

1048
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like you can't hold it against the movie

1049
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,079
too much because it's just a thing comic book movies

1050
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,519
always do. It's like, here's some weird new technology that

1051
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:36,840
will be used by the villain later.

1052
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the microwave emitter the.

1053
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah you know Batman begins, Yeah yeah, or Dark Knight rises,

1054
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,679
like that stupid power plant that built that gets turned

1055
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:48,079
into a nuke if you push the wrong.

1056
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: Like Spider Man too, the the what you call it

1057
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,880
the sun thing that he was making.

1058
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the power of the sun, that power yeah, yes,

1059
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,800
but that's Spider Man one. We're working on this goblin

1060
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,360
suit over here. Who would ever use a goblin suit

1061
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:00,920
for evil?

1062
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: But it's just so weird that it's just like it

1063
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,880
wasn't very impressive. It's like, yeah, it just shoots a

1064
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,360
bunch of chemicals and stuff in the air. It's like, oh,

1065
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:09,639
you need a rocket for that.

1066
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: And also did you have to build it to realize

1067
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,360
wait a minute, this could be used for some bad sty.

1068
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,079
Speaker 1: I don't know why I got through that. Like I think,

1069
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,119
like the Geneva convention or whatever up if and stuff

1070
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,519
like that, like, oh, we could uh put a whole

1071
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,119
thing in the cloud that cures people. But then we realize,

1072
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,679
what if people don't want it or don't need it, Like.

1073
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,039
Speaker 2: We keep working on it, and you and I are

1074
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,119
building this machine yea both like I don't know something

1075
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:34,000
about this feels off. It's probably fine, and then final

1076
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,360
later I'll call you mctony biochemical warfare.

1077
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: I just damn it, right. We frowned upon that. We

1078
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,119
you know, we did World War One and we went

1079
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,079
I know, we're all killed each other, but that mustard

1080
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,119
cast was a little a little little too much. I think,

1081
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,639
maybe let's not build a cannon that shoots chemicals everywhere

1082
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,079
splitting the atom, though we gotta do that for America. Uh,

1083
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:03,079
but yeah, so it's just it's just the dumbest device

1084
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:04,760
they could have came up. But it's like it's a rocket,

1085
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,440
just shoots things. They're like, oh cool, that's so dumb.

1086
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,559
The microwave emitter was at least like a little complicated

1087
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,360
and cool, like, oh, it evaporates all the water, but

1088
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,400
they pre put the stuff in the water. Here it's

1089
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,239
it's a rocket. But yeah, it's clearly like, yes, here's

1090
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,320
the thing has nothing to do what we're doing, so

1091
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,000
it's clear they're gonna be used for evil. Later. They

1092
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,079
use some hologram shit like Ironman to run a test

1093
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,280
on digital rats, right because they have two three legged

1094
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,519
rats or mice, and they're like, we're gonna put your

1095
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:39,400
program in there and your algorithm and we're gonna figure

1096
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,639
it out. And the digital mouse survives it on like

1097
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,480
the fifth or sixth time, which to me, I'd be like,

1098
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:47,119
you might want to find tune that a little bit.

1099
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:50,400
It took like six times for that thing to find like,

1100
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,320
uh work. So they're excited for the future of a

1101
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:59,039
growing limbs back. Uh. Peter goes home and of course

1102
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,159
he gets chewed out for not picking up may He

1103
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,039
even ignored the phone call. I do like that moment

1104
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:05,760
where he's just like, oh, don't answer that phone.

1105
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: I'm glad it's working out, and May is trying to

1106
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,599
be nice. You know, it's fine, it's not fine. Stop

1107
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:12,800
defending a boy being a man and apologize.

1108
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,159
Speaker 1: It is like my wife had to walk twelve blocks

1109
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,360
in the middle of the night. It's like, well, it's nine.

1110
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,079
Speaker 2: O'clock and someone menacingly danced at her on the way home.

1111
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,400
Someone tried to bounce a peer bottle on her head.

1112
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,199
Speaker 1: She's like, and she had to get on a train,

1113
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,559
And so I would have been like, why did she

1114
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:31,239
take a cab? And he would have been like, because

1115
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,239
she has a credit card and they pretend that their

1116
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,039
credit card machines are broken. I hate it. I hate

1117
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,639
it getting cab. Thank God for Uber. I hate a cab.

1118
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: I used to go into a panic every time I

1119
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,199
was taking a cab because there was that crossover period

1120
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,800
where a lot of them just didn't even have credit

1121
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,440
card machines.

1122
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't have cash. I just don't. I

1123
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,519
had to go in. I would literally be like, I

1124
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,920
just want you to know right now, I only have

1125
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,679
a card. There is no cash.

1126
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then even if they say it's okay, it

1127
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,159
would be begrudgingly. So then I just feel awkward the

1128
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:01,360
whole ride because.

1129
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: They always try to spring it on you afterwards, like

1130
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,239
what are you fucking doing in this day and age?

1131
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,079
Like I get why you would want cash war, but like,

1132
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:11,400
how are you not adapting with the times at all? Yeah,

1133
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,400
because we look what happened, we all stopped using cabs, Like,

1134
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:19,559
that's what happened. Short term thinking there, short term thinking yep. Anyway,

1135
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:24,760
and then he brings up the responsibility that doesn't really work.

1136
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:30,079
Speaker 2: Well here, linguistic gymnastics to avoid saying, with great responsibility

1137
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,119
or with great powers, great responsibility. You're a lot like

1138
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,079
your father. You really are, Peter, And that's a good thing.

1139
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,800
But your father lived by a philosophy, a principle.

1140
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,119
Speaker 1: Really.

1141
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,519
Speaker 2: He believed that if you could do good things for

1142
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:44,880
other people, you had a moral obligation to do those things.

1143
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,480
That's what's at stake here, not choice. Responsibility doesn't have

1144
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:50,400
quite the same ring.

1145
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: It's just weird that he's bringing it up because he

1146
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,519
forgot to pick his ant up from work, Like it's

1147
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:59,400
just what the fuck is this? What is why is this?

1148
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,199
The lesson were teaching him for this. It reminds me.

1149
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,199
Speaker 2: Okay, my favorite podcast other than Hack the movie fell

1150
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,880
I'm Steve Dave Walt Flanning again. On that podcast, there's

1151
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,840
this band he's really into a Monster Magnet, this guy

1152
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,360
and that they had Monster Magnet on and he was

1153
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,159
telling him that one of his favorite lines from one

1154
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,360
of his songs is like, if you go to bed

1155
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,719
with the devil, like, don't wake up and cry when

1156
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,199
Jesus isn't there. And he's like, I've been waiting for

1157
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,000
the opportunity to use that on my daughters. It's like,

1158
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,880
but they don't do anything bad enough, so it's like, oh,

1159
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,639
she forgot to bring her bike into the garage.

1160
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,639
Speaker 1: Don't go to bed with the devil. And then it

1161
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,400
made sense in the first movie because you know, he

1162
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,079
beat the hell out of like Flash Yeah, and he

1163
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:42,199
showed off and stuff.

1164
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,199
Speaker 2: Here he's not doing anything bad enough. It's like, yeah,

1165
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,639
you scored a point in basketball. Listen, Peter, Yeah, your

1166
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,920
father lived by a principle.

1167
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so dumb, like it's just not earned it all.

1168
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,119
I don't even think Ben says it in the original comic.

1169
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:57,400
I just think it's a line at the.

1170
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,559
Speaker 2: End, and the original it's just narrator un named there.

1171
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,400
I mean, it's just like the text of the comic.

1172
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Later in Wolverine Versus Spider Man, they retroactively say to

1173
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:09,119
uncle Ben is the one who.

1174
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,519
Speaker 1: Said okay, because like in the original, like the very

1175
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:13,800
first comic, it's like he got these powers and then

1176
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,159
he became like a TV star and wrestler and he

1177
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,400
was showing off. So he's using it for personal gain

1178
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,639
and then he realized, oh wait, no, I have a

1179
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:25,000
responsibility if I can do good. It made sense there,

1180
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,480
it made sense of the Sammaraimy won. It doesn't make

1181
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,960
sense here why he's getting this lesson when he really

1182
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,280
hasn't done anything to earn the lesson. Yet, you forgot

1183
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,719
to pick up the eggs on the way home. What

1184
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,800
the fuck? I know?

1185
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: My father power responsibility tell me it's every time I

1186
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:39,760
come home.

1187
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,159
Speaker 1: You have the ability to pick up eggs on the

1188
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,599
way home. There must also come a responsibility to pick

1189
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,239
up those eggs. Anyway, he shuts the door and shatters

1190
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,400
it because he's super strong.

1191
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,519
Speaker 2: Spider Man Doe reference, I'll pay the rent when you

1192
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:53,920
fix this.

1193
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,639
Speaker 1: Tad, So Peter can't afford milk. Also, he's hiding underneath

1194
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:01,639
the bridge with Uncle Ben. We're about to reveal that

1195
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:04,440
this whole thing was reshot uh. And he goes into

1196
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,000
a store and the guy like just won't let him

1197
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:09,639
have the milk, which a couple of cents short. Peter.

1198
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,119
Speaker 2: I also love the idea that this is how Peter

1199
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,920
deals with stretch. I'm I'm telling I need some chocolate milk.

1200
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,079
Speaker 1: Oh. So you look at his like figure and how

1201
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,039
lean he is. It's like, it's not chricking chocolate. I

1202
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:25,079
want chocolate milk, extra chocolate. But yeah, and then this

1203
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,159
the guy is really being addic to him. Yeah, he's

1204
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,880
like yeah, although it's also Peter's fault. It's like, fuck you.

1205
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,840
Peter gets up the cheaper like a bottle of water.

1206
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: You don't need the chocolate milk, and you are two

1207
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,960
cents short, Like this is America, all right, cost the cost.

1208
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: We're very capitalist here. But yeah, although the shop owner

1209
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:52,079
is kind of being a so of course Peter is like.

1210
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, I'm two cents short, and the shop owners like, listen,

1211
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,840
my father lived by a.

1212
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,079
Speaker 1: Course. This guy with long hair and a star tattoo,

1213
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:07,559
he robs the store he doesn't even like he's not

1214
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,400
even that bad of a burgler because he waits for

1215
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,360
the guy to turn around and then takes money and

1216
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,639
then he throws Peter like a like a milk, Yeah,

1217
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,880
chocolate milk. How can you forget that? I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

1218
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,440
but yeah, that is just like again, this is another

1219
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:25,960
like like the burglar was doing like bad stuff before,

1220
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,119
and I know this is bad, but like it's not

1221
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,639
as bad as like pulling a gun out and beating

1222
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,840
a guy and then Peter letting him go, Like that

1223
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,440
was pretty bad. Like, yeah, that chopowner was kind of

1224
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,800
a dick. Yeah, he kind of haven't had a coming

1225
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,079
if he wasn't such a dick.

1226
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 2: And then he has the he has the audacity when

1227
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,119
Peter thanks man. Yeah, like at least again in the

1228
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,719
in the Peter Park and the Toby mguire version, like

1229
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,360
you could somewhat see that guy's side of things. Yeah,

1230
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,159
he's like I said, you get this much money for

1231
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,480
five minutes you beat the guy in one this is

1232
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:58,199
show business, kid, Like that guy.

1233
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: Was also kind of scummy. So there was a gun

1234
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,559
wielding man beating people.

1235
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,119
Speaker 2: Like that's a little bit dichotomy and keyword kind of

1236
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,800
scummy here. I don't think we see the gun yet.

1237
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,119
So he's just a guy just helped.

1238
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,079
Speaker 1: No, And so I don't like how they changed this

1239
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:17,960
because the guy gets away. The store owners like stop stop,

1240
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:21,760
and Ben hears this. Uncle Ben is turning the corn.

1241
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,000
He's like, I hear someone in danger in real life.

1242
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:29,239
Just don't interfere and be like goodbye. Uh that's York.

1243
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,000
That's a true New York learned gil. I once saw

1244
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:37,199
a bicycler as they're called, get yelled at by a

1245
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:38,920
homeless guy and then he picked up his bike and

1246
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,800
he tried to beat him with it. And you know

1247
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,239
what I did. I stayed on the other side of

1248
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,719
the street and did absolutely nothing. I watched for a

1249
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,719
little bit. It ended up it he just kind of

1250
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,679
shook the bike at him. They never get actually came

1251
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:50,159
to blows.

1252
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,559
Speaker 2: You let you at the guy with the bicycle go

1253
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,159
And then your uncle was like, Tony wisten.

1254
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: No, the bicycle the bicycle guy was actually the good

1255
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280
guy that situation. He was beating but it was one

1256
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,079
of those just like, man, something band's happening over there,

1257
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,000
not my problem. I'll watch for a little bit. But again,

1258
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,079
they just they kind of just shouted. It kind of

1259
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:10,760
got awkward because the guy's just holding a bike but

1260
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,840
then never got to use it, and so it's just

1261
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,119
like he like, it's.

1262
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: Just amazing waiting for his moments. I'm gonna hit somebody

1263
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:16,840
with this bike.

1264
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,079
Speaker 1: One like eve a go a bar. You think two

1265
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:19,599
guys are gonna fight, and then they get nippled and

1266
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:22,280
nipple in their face and that's it. The fight never happens.

1267
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,360
That's what it felt like. It's like I was kind

1268
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,920
of lamest.

1269
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: Nipples make contact. They both just feel really.

1270
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,719
Speaker 1: Awkward because it's only someone's waiting for the other one

1271
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,719
to throw the first punch, so the first one never

1272
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,559
gets thrown. You're like, now it's just uncomfortable. I'm gonna

1273
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:36,239
walk over there.

1274
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: The nile touch and then you go to your friends

1275
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,320
like I think it.

1276
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: Moves Seinfeld reference. Anyway, uh Ben has no idea what's

1277
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,320
going on. He sees this guy fall over and the

1278
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,239
gun falls out. Yeah, and this hippie communist just assumes

1279
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,760
that's the bad guy instead of respecting his Second Amendment, right,

1280
00:58:58,079 --> 00:58:59,840
how does he know? How does he I mean obviously

1281
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:01,960
the bad guy, but how does he not know that

1282
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:05,960
this was a hero who was chasing the burglar. He

1283
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,199
should have been like, here, sir, here is your weapon

1284
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:09,079
that you're legal.

1285
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody was trying to steal some chocolate milk and

1286
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,159
this guy was trying to stand up and.

1287
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing Ben. Ben doesn't really know what's happening.

1288
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:20,920
For some reason, he just goes, you're a bad guy,

1289
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,719
and of course the guy goes his instinct is to

1290
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,239
jump for the gun. Yeah.

1291
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he basically I think he wanted to die to

1292
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:30,719
teach Peter a lesson. He's like, would you mind shooting me?

1293
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,079
Speaker 1: What? Oh my boy, you forgot to pick up some eggs,

1294
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,239
And it's just such a lazy, clunky way to get

1295
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Ben shot. Yeah, I don't know. It was just very

1296
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,639
bizarre to me.

1297
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: Well, Peter's whole family, they're not the brightest bulls drawer, like,

1298
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,320
especially when we get into Amazing Spider Man two and

1299
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,639
you see like how his father is trying to steal

1300
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,800
us corpse secrets and the run away or whatever has

1301
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,000
the most boneheaded plan to do it. Yeah, so yeah,

1302
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,960
he's just not learning from the b Yeah.

1303
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,519
Speaker 1: But then Peter runs over and he's with Ben as

1304
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:06,280
Ben dies and it's very sad. Then we realize it

1305
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,440
was completely that was like a whole reshoot. Yeah, so

1306
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:12,320
before Ben was looking for him, and Ben is on

1307
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,119
the phone leaving a voicemail which comes back. So this

1308
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,400
whole voicemail that Peter gets. It's very annoying in the

1309
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,079
the ashvill cut because you're like, when did he leave that?

1310
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,880
It didn't make sense, really said from beyond the Grave, Yeah,

1311
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,280
and it doesn't make it still kind of doesn't make

1312
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,880
sense in this version because he was too mad at

1313
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Peter to leave such a heartwarming speech on his voicemail. Realistically,

1314
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,400
be like, where the fuck are you? Get home right now?

1315
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: And if my son like shatters my front door like

1316
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,320
storms off, yeah, I'm not gonna immediately pull up my

1317
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,440
phone and you're my hero.

1318
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. But at least we see him leaving the voicemail,

1319
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,719
so there would have been more of a setup. But

1320
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:51,440
then he sees someone. I don't even think it's that burglar.

1321
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:53,679
Speaker 2: He just sees a shadowy figure and he's like, Peter,

1322
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:55,719
is that you Peter? And I'm like, why do you

1323
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,320
assume there's a lot of people in New York? Yeah,

1324
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,920
And you see like a creepy shadowy figures.

1325
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Just follows him into an alley. I think maybe that's

1326
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,079
something kind of like Spider Man three, where was revealed

1327
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,880
that the Sandman killed him. I think maybe that was

1328
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,280
like something like, we'll leave it open ended who killed

1329
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,199
uncle Ben? But then everyone got annoyed with that, so

1330
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,960
they're like, actually, that's very confusing. Let's just reshoot it

1331
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,559
where that guy did is probably gonna be the gentleman introduced. Yeah,

1332
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:25,800
oh god, it probably was gonna be something like that again,

1333
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,000
too much origins with his family or whatever. Okay, so

1334
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,280
they reshot it where it was just that guy. It

1335
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,119
was just him, and he gets away, and then we

1336
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:37,360
see the May and Peter are all sad. They're talking

1337
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,079
to the cops. Uh. And then that's when he sees

1338
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,159
the voicemail, but he doesn't play all of it. Uh.

1339
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:48,599
Everyone feels bad for Peter. Even Flash feels bad for Peter.

1340
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,960
So this is when Peter decides he's gonna get revenge, yes,

1341
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,679
and he's gonna hunt down everyone who he thinks might

1342
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:58,320
have killed his uncle. But since the guy was wearing

1343
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,119
glasses and a beanie, he can't figure out who that is.

1344
01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:06,639
So some dudes chase him on a rooftop. So everyone

1345
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,119
he like beats up. He checks to see if they

1346
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:11,760
have the star tattoo. But he's not wearing any costume

1347
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,719
or anything, right, So guys chase him on a rooftop

1348
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,239
and then he falls into a wrestling ring. Yeah. And

1349
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,440
this is the wrestling part of his origin where he's

1350
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,800
like because the guy goes, I remember your face. It's like,

1351
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,320
will you remember his face like four months from now?

1352
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:28,320
I don't think you will.

1353
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: I hate this so much because again it's like, we

1354
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:33,960
can't repeat what the other movies did, but we need

1355
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000
to show how he gets the mask, and so it's

1356
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,199
done in this so so cheesy, Like literally he lands

1357
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,679
into a wrestling ring. Yeah, and then like you said,

1358
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,360
I know what you look like. You hear me, I've

1359
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,639
seen your face. And then Peter looks up and sees

1360
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:48,559
a lucha door mask.

1361
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. It just that wouldn't happen in real life.

1362
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: This is too It's too ridiculous that like that, like

1363
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,079
explicitly the universe is telling you you should wear a

1364
01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:58,920
spider mask.

1365
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he sees the luchador. It's so dumb, like

1366
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840
they had to work in the wrestling origins somehow, and

1367
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,719
that's what they landed on because the other that's probably

1368
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,039
the same Raimi wanted did the origin so well. Yeah,

1369
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,559
even the changes they made, you would just kind of

1370
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,840
keep doing it over and over again. But it's like,

1371
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,000
that's that's it. He's like, oh, a mask, I should

1372
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,960
wear one of those. It's like cool. So yeah, he

1373
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,800
orders a red mask and it looks dumb. And then

1374
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,119
he makes his web shooters using the Oscorp stuff. Yeah,

1375
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:35,840
there are that really pissed me off. I mean, it's

1376
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:38,440
making the web shooters is kind of unreal. That's why

1377
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,519
I didn't mind them being organic. But I mean, at

1378
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:44,159
least it's something like you can't also order the webs

1379
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:47,639
from the bad Guy factory. I do, Like, I don't know.

1380
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:51,119
Speaker 2: There's like little moments that the movie generally was forgettable

1381
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:52,719
to me when I first saw But there are little

1382
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,119
moments I never forgot, And for some reason, one of

1383
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,159
them is the first time he gets the web to work,

1384
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:57,920
like in his bedroom.

1385
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:03,239
Speaker 1: He does this, He's like that was so dum. Oh

1386
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,440
my god, he was excited. I forgot how excited he

1387
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:07,599
was to play Spider Man. Like he wore an outfit

1388
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:08,480
at Comic Con, and.

1389
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,639
Speaker 2: Yeah he talked about like how meaningful it was to him.

1390
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:12,679
Yeah yeah, And I want to say, like we've been

1391
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:16,400
pretty negative. Like I do think Andrew Garfield. I think

1392
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400
he took the role very seriously and like when Uncle

1393
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,039
Ben gets killed, like he puts in such a great performance.

1394
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,920
Like I think anytime he goes for the emotion, I

1395
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,000
feel it, and like those little moments shine through in

1396
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:30,519
a pretty messy couple of movies.

1397
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way about Henry cavill.

1398
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,000
It's like he had the right guy for the job.

1399
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,280
He could have pulled it off. He gave him nothing, Yeah,

1400
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,800
gave him nothing but garbage to work with, but eventually

1401
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,079
he did do a good job and no way home.

1402
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:47,400
He did do a good job. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay,

1403
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:55,920
then he tests out swinging. I don't know why he

1404
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,920
picked here to swing the tallest building he could find,

1405
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,519
which wasn't even He doesn't even wear his mask or anything,

1406
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:04,559
so anyone could have been like, there's a guy swinging

1407
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:06,960
there he is he like does it in front of

1408
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,199
a cat the one empty street in New York Hill.

1409
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,679
Speaker 2: I don't know how he already has the mask by

1410
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:14,719
this point, right, but for some reason, he's chosen not to.

1411
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,599
Speaker 1: Wear it here. Yeah, yeah, it was so dumb, but yeah,

1412
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:20,320
so he swings around. Uh, he's got to figure it out.

1413
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:25,039
And then we see Dennis Leary as a Captain Spacey Stacy.

1414
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:28,000
He will be filling in the role of j Jonah Jamison.

1415
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:33,360
He's a man. Yeah, Captain space Stacy is a character,

1416
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,960
but like, I don't remember him being like j Jonah Jamison.

1417
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:38,960
Really I could be wrong.

1418
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean he he was like did not approve of

1419
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,119
the visil Anti tactics, right, I don't remember his character

1420
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:46,480
too well.

1421
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,719
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Dennis Leary makes me sad now

1422
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:52,320
whenever I see him, because Dennis Leary is like one

1423
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,199
of the reasons I really grew to love stand up comedy.

1424
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,760
Like I watched his specials when I was younger. I'm like,

1425
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,440
this is really funny. He got me like reeled into

1426
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,159
stand up commed And then you get older and you

1427
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:03,039
realized he like stole all that from Louis c k

1428
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:06,199
And what's his face? One of the other dead comedian

1429
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,000
and a dead comedian and it's like, oh, I'm like

1430
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,519
this kind of I really love the asshole song. But

1431
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,159
apparently it's all like stolen and repurpose. I'm like, kind like,

1432
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:17,719
it's so annoying that my gateway into this world turned

1433
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,360
out to be an asshole. And I think he did

1434
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,599
steal stuff because his comedy got worse as it went on,

1435
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,280
like No Cure for Cancer is great, that other specials

1436
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,119
like okay, and then it was all downhill. He's like,

1437
01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:30,559
I'm just gonna be an actor from now on. I'm

1438
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:32,760
gonna do ice age eleven. That ain't gonna be it.

1439
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: We're starting to see why Tony doesn't like this movie

1440
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,719
so much. He's a lot of personal traumas related to this.

1441
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,519
Why does au Garfield get to have em a stone?

1442
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,559
Speaker 1: So then we see some first person swinging, but it's

1443
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:49,440
heavily edited. That first teaser there was an extended first

1444
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,360
person running on the rooftops and swinging sequence, which I

1445
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,599
thought was gonna because that's something that wasn't in the originals,

1446
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,320
and then here it's completely trimmed down, even though it

1447
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:01,679
would have been cool. It would have been the one

1448
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:03,519
cool thing to see in the three D. And then

1449
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:07,039
we get the first look at his suit and it's terrible.

1450
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,039
I like it. I think it's cool.

1451
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: I love like the basketball texture, and I know they

1452
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,159
got rid of it for the second one, right.

1453
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like the basketball texture. I don't like

1454
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,239
the yellow eyes. Yeah, he just looks very I don't

1455
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,199
like that he looks like he has a red dick

1456
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:27,119
on his abdomen because the belt doesn't connect with it. Yea.

1457
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,280
Luckily it's all like mostly in the dark, but if

1458
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,840
you look at it, it's just it just looks like

1459
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,960
he has a red dick on him. Like.

1460
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't like the subtle for me, Like, I don't

1461
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,000
know what those bumps do for the suit, but it

1462
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:41,320
just feels very tactical, Like this feels like you want

1463
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,920
to know what a Spider Man suit would look like

1464
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:43,639
in real life.

1465
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,679
Speaker 1: This is it. And then even the webs they feel.

1466
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: More physical than the sam Raimi ones, like they feel metallical.

1467
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,639
Speaker 1: I guess. So I think I'm in the minority, though,

1468
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:54,800
I do if people like that suit, because the second

1469
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,119
one they made it more like what it yeah normally.

1470
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: And I will say also like they make Spider Man

1471
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,920
look you don't look at him and you're like, it's

1472
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,639
the friendly neighborhood Spider Man like he it's like they're

1473
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:06,679
trying to make him a little scarier in this version.

1474
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:09,480
I think in this weird looking suit does kind of

1475
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:13,239
feed more into that image than like, you know, Toby Maguire,

1476
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,880
Like that looks like fun I want to swing around

1477
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,119
like that.

1478
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I can never get into it.

1479
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,199
You can never get into he's a menace, he's a mensis.

1480
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,880
So he has to stop a carjacker. And there was

1481
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,840
a big uh, there was a big complaint in the

1482
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,399
other films that Spider Man wasn't joky enough, right, not

1483
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:40,119
enough quips, too many equips. There's too many equips and

1484
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:43,000
guess what, most of them aren't funny. Yeah, if you

1485
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:46,439
work on rob cars, don't drest like a carjacker Like

1486
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:48,279
that wasn't funny.

1487
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,199
Speaker 2: It's also like he does a lot of equipping in

1488
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:53,279
this one scene. Yeah, And it's also like this is

1489
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,199
when he's at his angriest. This is where he's out

1490
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:55,680
for events.

1491
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: He should still be like you killed my uncle, And

1492
01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:01,079
now he's just like I'm gonna be haha, joking. My

1493
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:04,600
one weakness. It's small knives and all that stupid shit.

1494
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,640
And then he's shooting his webs and showing off and

1495
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,000
I hate that his webs like glow red every single time.

1496
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:15,319
It's like, we're just adding too much stuff that doesn't

1497
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:15,960
need to be added.

1498
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm being completely fair and honest, that stuff

1499
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:19,640
didn't really bother me.

1500
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:23,119
Speaker 1: But I see the point though, Yeah, equip once in

1501
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,479
a while, it's for some reason, it's easier to read

1502
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,039
in a comic.

1503
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: Spread the quips around you eat them all in one shot.

1504
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,239
Speaker 1: He pulls down the guy's sleeve, realizes there's no star tattoo,

1505
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,279
and he's like, this could have been way worse. It's like,

1506
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,640
what would you have murdered him? Like what do you?

1507
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,520
What was your long term plan to catch your uncle's killer?

1508
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,800
But then all the cops show up? What first it's

1509
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,720
just one and then they all show up. And I actually,

1510
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,000
early on because I forgot the rest of the movie,

1511
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:51,880
I was like, that seems like a lot of cops

1512
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,239
at once, and then it gets explained. Actually later on

1513
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,840
you're like, Okay, that actually made more sense. But yeah,

1514
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,960
he swings away after insulting an NYPD officer, I did

1515
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,159
eighty percent of your job. But he's feeling pretty good Gil.

1516
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:10,560
He's fighting crime. He's criticizing cops. He's got a dumb

1517
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,159
sup but he forgot to pick up those eggs. He forgot.

1518
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:20,239
After the sad eggs scene, we see Raget tell Connors

1519
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:23,479
that he needs to start human trials. Yes, He's like,

1520
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,199
you have to start it right now, and Connor's like,

1521
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:28,039
I just figured this out on mice. He's like, Gorman

1522
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:30,720
Osborn is dying. I'm like, oh, okay, what do you

1523
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,319
want me to do about this? Like there's a process here,

1524
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:37,000
But Connors refuses to do it on humans and he

1525
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:43,840
gets fired. That's a shame. Gwen invites Peter to her

1526
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:49,039
home for dinner to meet Captain Stacey, who hates him,

1527
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,840
and then we have Connor's really missing his arm. He

1528
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,319
does that thing where he puts his one arm to

1529
01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:56,000
make it look like he has too. But we noticed

1530
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:01,359
the wedding ring pretty much evering with his wife and

1531
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,319
kid were I'm probably not even filmed. We found one

1532
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:07,600
deleted scene of him and his son where he gives

1533
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,439
them the opposite of bends and bikes, where he's like,

1534
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,239
beat up everyone who's mean to you.

1535
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,239
Speaker 2: Remember how Mom and I always told you not to

1536
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:15,640
fight back when someone hurts you.

1537
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,199
Speaker 1: Yeah I was wrong.

1538
01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I mean, we'll talk more about the

1539
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,119
Lizard and Kirk Connors, but he is definitely a step

1540
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,960
down in terms of like fun and interesting villains coming

1541
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,520
off the last three movies. I think it would have

1542
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,560
helped to give more texture to his character, to see

1543
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,359
more of his family, but you know what we saw

1544
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:37,439
in the deleted scenes, like none of that stuff I

1545
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,039
thought was all that enticing. Yeah, so I think it

1546
01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:42,279
was the right move to cut it out because I

1547
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:44,479
think just having more but still being bland and just

1548
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,039
making the movie longer wouldn't have helped. Yeah, but yeah,

1549
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:50,119
that was definitely a His character is just you have

1550
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:51,359
a great actor and just give him.

1551
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're about any little bit of character they give

1552
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,119
him again, like you said, was trimmed out. Yeah, but

1553
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,840
he's about he's like somewhat compelling here because he's like

1554
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,359
not a surrogate father, but someone who's like Peter's father

1555
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,359
that he get to know. And he's literally just gonna

1556
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:09,359
be I'm bad guyed lizard man. Yeah, everyone be lizards Like.

1557
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 2: This is pretty much That's what you just said was

1558
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,439
a more compelling argument than what he made.

1559
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: But like there's like scenes where he's like talking to

1560
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,920
himself kind of, and there's little character moments all gone, Yeah,

1561
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:25,079
all gone. So he tested on himself, because this is

1562
01:12:25,319 --> 01:12:27,079
Spider Man, they like to do that.

1563
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,279
Speaker 2: I think this is a great moment to exemplify how

1564
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:33,920
bad of a character he is, because this is crazy.

1565
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:37,119
He takes something that's only been tested on one real

1566
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:39,720
mouse and one digital mouse, and then to inject it

1567
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:45,239
into yourself and like the the biological trauma of melding

1568
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:49,479
your DNA with a spiders and then regrow lizards and

1569
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,479
then regrowing a limb. Like, that's crazy, and I feel

1570
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,439
like we needed to see a level of desperation from

1571
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,319
this character to be willing to do that.

1572
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,159
Speaker 1: Also, if he was willing to do it, but then

1573
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:01,359
I would have been like I would have called that

1574
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:03,239
guy up and been like, I changed my mind, come back,

1575
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:05,399
we'll do it right now. Yeah, you monitor me so

1576
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:06,800
I don't turn into a lizard.

1577
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I don't buy that moment at all.

1578
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,800
And you can say, oh, cartoon logic, comic book movie.

1579
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,680
But a lot of this is presented and it's trying

1580
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:16,640
to be fairly grounded.

1581
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is post Dark Night and a lot

1582
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:23,439
of movies were trying to do like, let's do realistic stuff.

1583
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,640
But then the MCU was getting away from that, So

1584
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:28,640
this kind of like fell in the middle there, same

1585
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,720
thing with a fant four stick, and that kind of

1586
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,279
felt and like do we want to be gritty but

1587
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:36,039
also be like Marvel? They really couldn't figure out what

1588
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:40,239
they wanted to do. So Peter, like an idiot, uses

1589
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:43,960
the fire escape to draw attention to himself instead of

1590
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:46,000
just walking into the thing normally.

1591
01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 2: He was invited over for dinner. It's like he doesn't

1592
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:49,279
have to sneak in.

1593
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: You don't have to do Spider Man shit right now.

1594
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,720
Man Captain Stacy is suspicious of him. He's like, what's

1595
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,680
your deal, buddy, But he invites them in to eat

1596
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,399
with them, and then Connor's arm grows back so gross.

1597
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:05,760
It like comes out of that cocuon.

1598
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: I did like that. Yeah, it's like a lizard cocuona.

1599
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,560
And then even once his hand is free, like it's

1600
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,359
a little like Tran Wollen.

1601
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: I like that. So yeah, he makes a cab driver,

1602
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:20,319
uh drive him to hunt down the dude, the Oscorp guy, uh,

1603
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:23,960
and he starts to turn into a lizard man. Uh.

1604
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,039
Stacy Captain Stacy trash talk spider Man, and again Peter

1605
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,880
is really bad at covering his identity. He's like, I

1606
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,159
think he's trying to help and the cops aren't doing

1607
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,399
a good job. It's like, no, Peter, you're doing a

1608
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:38,239
bad job at this. You can't go too hard, you

1609
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:41,760
can't do like I agree, we should kill him man.

1610
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,680
That'll also draw attention. You should be like, yeah, I

1611
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,399
don't approve of his actions.

1612
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 2: Either, instead of like some might say, I'm I'm I

1613
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,760
I mean Peter, I mean spider Man is trying to

1614
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:51,880
help people, you know.

1615
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,039
Speaker 1: I think it's something we do the Superman episodes. But

1616
01:14:55,079 --> 01:14:57,039
there was a great Saturday Night Live where the rock

1617
01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:59,560
with Superman, and the whole joke is that Clark is

1618
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,319
really bad covering up his identity. So he's he's wearing

1619
01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:04,000
a business suit and you just see the red and

1620
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,479
blue sticking out of it, and they read one of

1621
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,560
his articles and it's just like that's when, I I

1622
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,640
mean Superman, God, Clark, you're doing it again. They're like,

1623
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,199
why did he leave out in the article?

1624
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: They're like, are you spider Man? He's give me a

1625
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,039
cowboy hack quick. We don't even know what he looks like,

1626
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:22,520
how's the cowboy hat going to help?

1627
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,079
Speaker 1: And then this is where we learned that that carjacker

1628
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:27,600
they had been casing him for months and they were

1629
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,640
he was gonna lead him to like a bigger operation.

1630
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,960
That's why there were so many cop cars around, but

1631
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,399
Spider Man messed it up. Yeah.

1632
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: It was similar to Tom Holland and Spider Man Homecoming, right

1633
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,960
when he goes after Vulture on the Staten Island ferry

1634
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:42,439
and Tony's like, bro I was working with the FBI.

1635
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,760
That was a sting operation. Oh he could have told

1636
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:45,039
me that.

1637
01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:48,119
Speaker 1: He's like, no, it's below your pay grain. I think

1638
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:51,640
he says to him. Peter rambles like an idiot. With

1639
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,159
Gwnn Stacy, this feels like Michael Keaton trying to tell

1640
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,880
what's his face? That what's her face? That he's Batman

1641
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,960
struggling and then he just shoots a web and she's like,

1642
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,119
oh my god, you're Spider Man and we're in love.

1643
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:05,960
I guess sure.

1644
01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: I like this scene that high school romance. I have

1645
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,960
a lot of experience with it, and it was like this,

1646
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:14,640
you know, it moves fast. Back in those days, I had.

1647
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,319
Speaker 1: Just nothing but bad experiences with his senses go off

1648
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,600
and he hears cars like cop cars. He's like, he knows

1649
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,359
something's happening. And we even see Captain Stacy getting his

1650
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,640
cop car and leave, so he's like, I gotta do

1651
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,439
some Spider Man shit right now, see you. The lizard

1652
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,079
broke out of the cab, I do like the shot

1653
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:34,720
of the cab just all ripped up. The lizard broke

1654
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,560
out and he's now on the Williamsburg Bridge and he's

1655
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,039
looking for a raheet. Peter suits up and he's catching

1656
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:45,479
cars as they're flying off the building. And this is

1657
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,399
like his first big like Spider Man fighting a super

1658
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,520
monster scene really, except for when he gets there, the

1659
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,000
Lizard's arm starts dissolving and he's just like, oh, I

1660
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:54,720
gotta leave now.

1661
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:58,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, this becomes more of a The centerpiece of the

1662
01:16:58,239 --> 01:16:59,600
scene is him saving that child.

1663
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. If you're wondering what happens to the Oscorp

1664
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,479
guy cut out of the rest of the movie, we'll

1665
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,760
mention what he was supposed to do later on, but

1666
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,920
as far as we are concerned, he's no longer in

1667
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:13,800
the movie. But yeah, here he has to calm a

1668
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,520
kid down and he gives the kid his mask and

1669
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,159
he's like, you could be strong like me, And I'm like,

1670
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,600
how long has Spider Man been spider manning the kids

1671
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:20,920
should be.

1672
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,159
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know where you are.

1673
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: You're scary looking. Why are you wearing a basketball? Yeah?

1674
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,359
Are you're wearing a basketball? And I am on this

1675
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,000
fire and you're I don't know what's happening.

1676
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,399
Speaker 2: And they could have caught that carjacker if not for you, kid?

1677
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,479
How do you know all this?

1678
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: So? Yeah, Spider Man saves him. He like shoots him

1679
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,319
with the web as the car falls, and then Spider

1680
01:17:44,359 --> 01:17:48,680
Man the meeting of two heroes. Spider Man meets soul

1681
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,239
Man see Thomas hal Is, the kid's dad. I'm like, oh,

1682
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,680
Soulman's in this. I forgot go back and watch our

1683
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,840
soul Man episode. This is what.

1684
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,279
Speaker 2: It's one of those like smile and nod moments where

1685
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:03,960
Tony texts me and he's like, it's so.

1686
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:08,319
Speaker 1: Man I'm like, yeah, right, do you not watch soul

1687
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:13,439
Bad regularly? It's being Manny's I'm so mad that many

1688
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:15,079
had like a thing that he had to go to

1689
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:17,560
to our monster Mania because I was literally gonna have

1690
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,760
him hold the soul Man table sure what Thomas, because

1691
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,279
I'm like, I bet you that's never happened with Thomas.

1692
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,119
But he will come back later. Yes, here's a question

1693
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:34,680
I have. Why are there so many lizards in the

1694
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,079
sewers and over New York in general?

1695
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,239
Speaker 2: That feels like an idea that they didn't want to

1696
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:44,000
fully commit to. Is that lizard is now communing with

1697
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:45,600
all the lizards that I guess are in.

1698
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,199
Speaker 1: New York City.

1699
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 2: Now, maybe maybe it's like the lizards all have a

1700
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,039
hive mind, So all the lizards in Florida are like

1701
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,079
our father has spawned in New York City, and so

1702
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:56,159
they're all making.

1703
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: Their way down. That's not how lizards work, is one

1704
01:18:58,760 --> 01:18:59,680
of the delead scenes, wasn't.

1705
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,039
Speaker 2: He's like a whole like migration of lizards across the

1706
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:02,920
desert coming to.

1707
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:05,039
Speaker 1: That's right.

1708
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 2: I dreamt that when I fell asleep while we were

1709
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:07,359
watching them.

1710
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: No, I don't know how many lizards are in New York, Gill,

1711
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,399
how many lizards do you?

1712
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 2: I can honestly say I've never seen one lizard in

1713
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,199
New York City. I saw a rat, well, a rat

1714
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:20,439
ran over my foot once.

1715
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: We've all seen disgusting hold on are the lizards. Home

1716
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,079
to four lizard species? How do you think I say,

1717
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:32,319
home to four lizards, three rare.

1718
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,079
Speaker 2: The guy who cuts my hair he just got a

1719
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:38,000
pet lizard, okay named Poncho.

1720
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:42,199
Speaker 1: Okay, well apparently you do have ups hold on.

1721
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: A thriving lizard populace.

1722
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I wrote New York and stead of in

1723
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,039
New York City. Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on,

1724
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:54,560
hold on, because this like confused me. Lizards. I'm just

1725
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,800
getting New York State. I'm not getting the actual New

1726
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,720
York City. Ask chatchipt. Don't worry, don't be afraid of it,

1727
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,439
don't worry about it. Yeah. So the whole movie, there's

1728
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,479
like these lizards, but there's nothing like Connor's let them out.

1729
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,760
There wasn't like a leak at oz Corp. Like that

1730
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,199
would have been one line. You're like, you might've known me.

1731
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,880
One of our containers broke, and now that's the reason

1732
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,239
we have so many lizards around. There's just randomly lizards

1733
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,279
that it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.

1734
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,279
Speaker 2: And I'm also like, what is doctor Connor's like mind

1735
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:24,800
state right now? Yeah, Like he looks at a lizard

1736
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,239
in the sewer and goes beautiful once he comes to

1737
01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:31,720
and he's human again, Like, how does he feel about

1738
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,319
what he's done?

1739
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:35,239
Speaker 1: Like, what is what's going on with Kurt Connors? Yeah

1740
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:37,119
you don't really. I mean with with Green.

1741
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,319
Speaker 2: Goblin and Doc Och in the previous movies, you get

1742
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:40,159
a much better feel.

1743
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Captain Stacy's there where he addresses the

1744
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,840
press and even though Spider Man saved the kid and

1745
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,680
a lizard monster was throwing the cars off the bridge,

1746
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,319
he issues a warrant for Spider Man's arrest.

1747
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,359
Speaker 2: As good as we had is he the only person

1748
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:57,560
we know is there with Spider Man? Is that how

1749
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,760
that works? Like if you don't know who did it,

1750
01:21:01,039 --> 01:21:02,880
then it's just anyone who happened to be there.

1751
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: This is your arrest warrant whatever. Yeah, but it's just like, yeah,

1752
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,000
the well, the lizard was throwing people and uh, Spider

1753
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:11,119
Man was there, but like it'd be one thing. He's like,

1754
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:13,640
I want both of them Instead, He's like, we gotta

1755
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,720
focus on Spider Man. I'm like, yeah, Spider Man's been

1756
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,920
going after Bad Eyes and there's literally a lizard trying

1757
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,119
to kill people. It becomes a problem at the end

1758
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:26,479
where it's like, oh, your priorities are fucked man. So yeah, Uh,

1759
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,760
Peter shows when the Spider outside on the football field. Uh,

1760
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,119
and then he someone throws a football at him and

1761
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:36,520
he catches it and then breaks the field with it.

1762
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: That was like reflex he on purpose. I think it

1763
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,319
was just like it was so fast. Okay, maybe nobody

1764
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:46,119
saw yeah, but but yeah, he's again not being very

1765
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:48,840
careful with his idea. He's also holding a spider Yeah.

1766
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,199
Look at this, Gwen.

1767
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm not Spider Man, Like we didn't ask if you were.

1768
01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,920
So he learned because he's been going after people for

1769
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,560
revenge this whole time. This is the first time he

1770
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,840
had to save someone, and he learns that, you know,

1771
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,279
he has this great power, so he might have a

1772
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:12,279
moral obligation or a responsibility if you save people, Like well,

1773
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:14,399
really took a so dull.

1774
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,039
Speaker 2: It's basically the same lesson Frank Castle recently learned and

1775
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:21,920
his punisher went off. He's like, wait a minute, when

1776
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,640
I kill people, if they're bad people who are gonna

1777
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,680
hurt other people, I'm helping those people.

1778
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure he'll learn that again in Spider

1779
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:34,520
Man's brand new Day. I'm sure when we meet him

1780
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:39,079
he's about to quit again. Peter visits Connors, who somehow

1781
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:40,760
still works there even though he was fired.

1782
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:44,239
Speaker 2: Well, so I think he basically told him, like, you

1783
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:47,119
need to start human trials or else. And then I

1784
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:50,119
think by testing it on himself, is that enough to

1785
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:53,279
appease them? And I still work here? I guess is that.

1786
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:55,039
Speaker 1: I don't know? Well, I guess maybe in this cup,

1787
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:56,760
we're just supposed to be like, Oh, only that guy

1788
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,520
knew and he's dead maybe gone from this version.

1789
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,159
Speaker 2: Let's assume he saw the wrongness of his ways. Yeah,

1790
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:04,239
and he's reformed now.

1791
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:06,159
Speaker 1: But I like that he's just like I gave everyone

1792
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:09,840
the week off so I can do lizards, and he's

1793
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,800
got scales growing on him, Like Peter, that's the lizard.

1794
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:13,880
He's just evil now.

1795
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: And he's like, you know, lizards can be quite dangerous

1796
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,319
when they're threatened.

1797
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,079
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, yeah, he goes. Parker asks how

1798
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:23,880
a predator would track a reptile, and the lizard goes.

1799
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:27,399
They don't cut to a video of a big cat

1800
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:33,960
eating an alligator. Yes, they do. They lizards get hunted

1801
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,199
and reptiles get hunted. A lot actually cut to a

1802
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,279
hawk picking up a snake, Like, what the hell was

1803
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:43,720
this line? I guess he's biased because he has lizard brain. Yeah,

1804
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,680
but it's like, no, no, they're at the top of

1805
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,359
their food Chaine. I'm like, probably not.

1806
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Well, this is this is like Alan Grant in Jurassic

1807
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,119
Part three. He's like, you know, raptors would probably be

1808
01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:56,840
the dominant species.

1809
01:23:56,319 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: If if not for that asteroid.

1810
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:00,119
Speaker 2: It's like they're just they're smarter than humans.

1811
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: It's like, probably not. Actually, Connor's who again is not

1812
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,920
hiding that he's the lizard, and this is two idiots. Yeah,

1813
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,239
neither one is hiding their identity. Peter's like, so.

1814
01:24:10,279 --> 01:24:13,199
Speaker 2: If I were Spider Man, and He's like, well, if

1815
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:16,560
I were lizard Peter, I mean Spider Man, I mean Peter.

1816
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: So Peter's like, huh, I'm a I'm not convinced. Hey,

1817
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,760
what's happening over here? And he sees the test mouse

1818
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,720
is now a lizard mouse that's eating the other.

1819
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:33,239
Speaker 2: Doctor Connors is turning into a mouse lizard. There's no Einstein.

1820
01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he can help me figure out who the lizard is,

1821
01:24:36,199 --> 01:24:39,239
but like, right then and there he should walk out

1822
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:42,039
and start punching the lizard, I know, and web him

1823
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:44,119
up and be like, everyone tests this guy.

1824
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,119
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save the poor mice. You're gonna stop hurting

1825
01:24:46,119 --> 01:24:48,159
the mice. Peter, it's not what this is about. It's

1826
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:49,000
the giant lizard.

1827
01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: What Instead, Instead he goes to Captain Stacy and tells

1828
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,039
him all of this, But does it even bring the

1829
01:24:58,079 --> 01:25:01,039
lizard mouse with him to go look what into this mouse?

1830
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:03,279
Speaker 2: He would take a picture, but did the lizard break

1831
01:25:03,279 --> 01:25:05,840
his camera yet? No, he's taking a picture.

1832
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't even go to anyone else in Oscorp and

1833
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:11,159
go look at this thing. They they're all home for

1834
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:17,359
the weekend, the whole building. No, I would have went downstairs,

1835
01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:21,039
but you gotta get security. Is Norman around, like this

1836
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:23,159
guy made a lizard monster. I think he's the lizard.

1837
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,319
It's so dumb. And then Captain Stacey's just like he

1838
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:30,039
wrote a recommendation letter for my daughter. I cried when

1839
01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:32,800
I read it, was like, what the fuck? So I'm

1840
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,439
not gonna say that he's a dinosaur anyway. Peter sees

1841
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,279
lizards going into the sewer and he's like, well, he

1842
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:40,439
must be down there.

1843
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: That's why lizards are in the movie, so they could

1844
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:43,560
throw that in there.

1845
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 1: Uh, Connor's down there and he's uh, he's made his

1846
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:49,159
own lab.

1847
01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:53,079
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what's cool though, is when Spider Man sets

1848
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:54,399
up his like web radar.

1849
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:58,199
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. Yes, does he do that

1850
01:25:58,319 --> 01:26:01,520
right now? Yes? Yeah, So Connors is there with his lab,

1851
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,239
and you're right, Spider Man goes up and he makes

1852
01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:06,119
a web like a spider actually does. That was actually

1853
01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:08,279
your cool moment. Yeah, And he's sitting in the middle

1854
01:26:08,319 --> 01:26:11,159
and he's playing a game on his phone. Uh. And

1855
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:14,119
then we hear like the web starts to move again

1856
01:26:14,319 --> 01:26:17,159
like a spider. That was like a clever moment. Would

1857
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:19,880
have been cool and like a good movie. But then

1858
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:23,000
all the lizards are climbing the webs.

1859
01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like I guess, even if he didn't

1860
01:26:25,399 --> 01:26:27,439
make the web radar, Yeah, he probably would have found

1861
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:28,359
those lizards anyway.

1862
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: It's still cool though, I guess. But then the real

1863
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:39,319
lizard shows up and they fight, and the whole time

1864
01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:41,840
the pictures are going off because he's taking pictures for

1865
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:43,319
the Daily Bugle.

1866
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 2: I guess maybe today established that it's for the yearbook.

1867
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,640
I'm a Spider Man. But here's a bunch of close

1868
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,159
up photos of pictures only Spider Man could possibly.

1869
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: Have gotten the lizard likes license his chest pretty good?

1870
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: Uh which lizard? But so what do you think of

1871
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,039
his design.

1872
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: His like look and everything. Yeah, terrible, Okay, I don't

1873
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:10,520
like his.

1874
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,279
Speaker 2: He looks like the Ninja turtles from the Michael Bay iteration.

1875
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, he looks like the goomba. Yeah, I wrote

1876
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,680
that down. I was gonna say gooomba. He looks like

1877
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,600
a big I don't know why they didn't do the snout,

1878
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,479
and I guess it's because they wanted him to talk

1879
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,439
and it's easier to do that with the human face.

1880
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: I see why they went this way.

1881
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1882
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 2: I don't hate the design. It looks weird because we

1883
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:30,960
all know the look.

1884
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, But early on, I think his face was a

1885
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,640
little bit more flat and much like Killer Krock. It

1886
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,319
got more pronounced later.

1887
01:27:39,399 --> 01:27:41,199
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Batman's ears that just because it

1888
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:43,640
goes super long and pointy, they'll get shorter.

1889
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. At some point Killer Crock was like mutant

1890
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,399
it to be even more Crocodilian, and then they went back.

1891
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,560
But I think Lizard. Once they got the snout, they're like,

1892
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,039
that's it. That's the look.

1893
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:56,079
Speaker 2: I do like in this movie. They do a good

1894
01:27:56,119 --> 01:27:58,880
job of making him quite intimidating. He's at this giant

1895
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,880
clause it looks like if he flicks his wrist he

1896
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:01,960
could sere Spider Man.

1897
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,359
Speaker 1: Park So they fight, they go into the water. Spider

1898
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:08,560
Man can't use his web in the water, obviously, but yeah,

1899
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,439
Peter gets washed away. They get like separated, and when

1900
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,680
the lizard goes back, he finds the camera and he

1901
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:18,199
knows that is Parker. It's Peter Parker. Peter goes to

1902
01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:22,039
Gwen's house and she helps patch him up, and then

1903
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,000
Peter feels responsible for Connors because he helped with the

1904
01:28:26,039 --> 01:28:29,560
algorithm to make him. It's like, well, you didn't I

1905
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,039
don't know if that counts as the responsibility. You didn't

1906
01:28:32,079 --> 01:28:34,119
know he was gonna shoot himself up with it. You

1907
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:35,800
were doing research.

1908
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: To be fair, you assumed this genius scientist wasn't an idiot.

1909
01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter, this one isn't on Peter. That's all I'm

1910
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:48,039
gonna say. This isn't on Peter. This is like the

1911
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:50,279
the Aquaman movie did a good job with this where

1912
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:52,359
he just doesn't help black Man in the beginning, and

1913
01:28:52,359 --> 01:28:54,399
then he's like, oh, if I had like arrested them

1914
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:56,600
and save them. I probably would have stopped him from

1915
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,319
becoming an even bigger asshole. Already an asshole.

1916
01:28:59,319 --> 01:29:01,119
Speaker 2: And when it's like, maybe you should have taken a

1917
01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:02,119
page out of Aquaman.

1918
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 1: Your movie's in trouble.

1919
01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 2: That first one is okay, Okay, I never saw it,

1920
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,039
but from when I heard of his okay, I don't.

1921
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:11,680
I can't remember if I did or not. I know

1922
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,479
I saw the second one, yeah, just because I was

1923
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,560
gonna have to see the last gasp of the DC.

1924
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: The first one's good. The problem is it's like really

1925
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,640
long because I think they thought they were only gonna

1926
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,760
get one Aquaman movie, so they did everything they could.

1927
01:29:23,239 --> 01:29:25,680
We need to do Aquaman Justice, Yeah, we gotta do

1928
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,239
a black Man and Ocean Master and all this other

1929
01:29:28,279 --> 01:29:30,399
stuff and all the kingdoms. It's like, you know, to

1930
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,880
do all of them at once? What the fuck? And

1931
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:34,520
then they did a second one and that was a mess.

1932
01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:37,840
It wasn't like super terrible, but it was Clay So

1933
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,159
he does the whole thing responsibility, but he doesn't have

1934
01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:41,800
time for that because he's got to swing around and

1935
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,800
be in love with Gwenn Stacy. And this might have

1936
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,800
been where we got the deleteding of them, like kissing

1937
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,359
on top of that clock tour that's not finished. We

1938
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:56,159
watched that deleted scene Connors is talking to himself because

1939
01:29:56,199 --> 01:29:59,720
that's what happened in the first movie. Yep, so we've

1940
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:03,359
they've cut out a lot of him, like monologuing that

1941
01:30:03,399 --> 01:30:05,960
would have played throughout the whole film and stuff, and

1942
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,079
they cut all that out and they just had it

1943
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:13,680
all internally. Now give it, you know you could do

1944
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:19,279
this feels like, hey, we edited all those we got

1945
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:20,600
rid of all those scenes. We have to do some

1946
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,000
voiceover stuff. He's just have he just has a subconscience

1947
01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:26,239
that's talking to him. It's like it's real late in

1948
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:27,359
the movie to introduce that.

1949
01:30:28,079 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I kind of like the movie's a

1950
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,880
mess anyway, and he's already just cartoon mustache, early evil

1951
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,119
villain like whatever, so you do.

1952
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:39,359
Speaker 1: It's just the alternate personality was introduced pretty early and

1953
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,319
Spider Man won, and here it's just like oh and

1954
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:42,960
also I hear voices in my head. I'm like you

1955
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,199
do oh.

1956
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:48,119
Speaker 2: And in Spider Man, like there was this this evil

1957
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:51,560
half of Norman Osbourne was kind of a logical extension

1958
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,359
of his normal self where he was angry against the

1959
01:30:55,359 --> 01:30:57,520
board for firing him and everything. So this is like,

1960
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,319
why don't you get back at them? Take your goblins suit.

1961
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,439
But here it's like I want to regrow my arm.

1962
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,800
What if you turn everyone into the wizards? Yeah, it

1963
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,760
doesn't really fully track, And it's also.

1964
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: Like a little bit like the Arms and making Doctor

1965
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,720
Octopus do like bad stuff too.

1966
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even there, it's like he's obsessed with this

1967
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:17,119
project and the Arms. All they do is heighten that

1968
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:19,960
and basically get rid of the moral Yeah. Basically you

1969
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,600
could do the ends, justify the means, do whatever it takes.

1970
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1971
01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, here it's just quite a leap too. He's

1972
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,039
just whacky and crazy.

1973
01:31:27,159 --> 01:31:29,159
Speaker 1: Yep. It's like Spider Man can beat me up, I

1974
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:31,840
gotta go eat him. Yeah, that's pretty much.

1975
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:36,279
Speaker 2: And turn the entire world into lizards. You'd be much

1976
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:37,520
happier as a lizard, trust me.

1977
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:40,079
Speaker 1: So he breaks out of a toilet and they cut

1978
01:31:40,079 --> 01:31:41,760
out a scene where he gets in a couple of

1979
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,840
girl's face, But it wasn't a bunch of the teasers.

1980
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,239
Speaker 2: When he starts taunting them with like his tongue, I'm

1981
01:31:47,239 --> 01:31:47,640
thinking it.

1982
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,319
Speaker 1: Was the right move to carry so the deleted scene,

1983
01:31:49,359 --> 01:31:52,000
it's clear they had the actor on set like licking

1984
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,960
his tongue, and then they did the CGI, but they

1985
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,199
never finished compositing it. So you see the lizard licking

1986
01:31:57,279 --> 01:31:59,479
his tongue, but then you see the human's tongue in

1987
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:05,039
like the other shot. It was really gross. Pops out

1988
01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:07,560
of the bathroom and he's hunting for Peter. Uh. And

1989
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,520
they fight in the school. Uh, he's webbing them up

1990
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,399
and everything. Gwen tries to help by hitting him with

1991
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,199
a trophy whatever.

1992
01:32:16,039 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 2: Is the Mortal is Mortal Kombat again? When Goro shows up,

1993
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:20,760
Daughters like kicking him in the shins.

1994
01:32:22,079 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, Spider Man webs him up and then tosses, uh,

1995
01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:28,159
what's her face out of window? Oh? Is this also

1996
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:31,960
the stupid Someone's been a bad lizard? Oh yeah, yeah,

1997
01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:35,319
a little like flex so dumb.

1998
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 2: So I feel like though, that is something that would

1999
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,199
be in the comic, And I think you're more forgiving

2000
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:41,920
when you're reading on the page. Yeah, and then when

2001
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,199
it said out loud, you're like, sounds pretty dumb.

2002
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:46,359
Speaker 1: Actually I did kind of like how the tail broke

2003
01:32:46,399 --> 01:32:50,680
off and it was still wiggling. Yeah, they're fighting and

2004
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,840
Stanley cameo, right, that was kind of a cute cameo

2005
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,920
where they he's like listening with big headphones of music

2006
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,960
and you see, like what do we call it, Spider

2007
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,720
Spider Man, the lizard attacking and throwing things around the room.

2008
01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:08,399
Lizard leaves. Yes, Actually there was a scene where he

2009
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,640
turns back and Spider Man brings him back to his layer,

2010
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:16,159
which would have been the end of that other the

2011
01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:20,479
Oscorp guy storyline who tries to shoot the lizard, the

2012
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,000
lizard kills him, lizard gets away with all the That's

2013
01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:25,880
when Peter would have learned his plan and everything, because

2014
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,279
he would have told him that guy would have died.

2015
01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:30,039
And then they kind of suggest that Pete there was

2016
01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:32,159
a reason Peter was able to survive the bite. I

2017
01:33:32,199 --> 01:33:36,159
think all that got cut. Yes, Instead, Peter just goes

2018
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:38,520
down there and there's a little computer up where with

2019
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,279
his vlog. Yeah, there was like a flog in his computer.

2020
01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:45,520
He's like, ah, lizards, everyone be lizards. I'm gonna use that.

2021
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 2: Thing they step one turn everyone into lizards that profit.

2022
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, while he's doing this, he told Gwen to

2023
01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:57,079
go to Oscorp and make an antidote because he could

2024
01:33:57,079 --> 01:34:00,399
just whip one of those you know how to make antidotes? Yes, okay, yeah,

2025
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,560
make an anidote for a human lizard hybrid. I'm like,

2026
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,680
what the fuck's like?

2027
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,159
Speaker 2: They can just spin up antidotes like this, yeah, but

2028
01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:08,319
they can't figure out how.

2029
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: And then we get the classic lab coat uh lizard look,

2030
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,560
which I don't know why he keeps putting lab coats

2031
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,399
on when he knows he's gonna turn into the lizard

2032
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,880
and they're just gonna shred. But this would have made

2033
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:22,760
sense because like the last we saw the lizard, he

2034
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,319
wasn't wearing one. He got away, but with that deleted

2035
01:34:25,319 --> 01:34:27,079
scene we see he turned into a human. He put

2036
01:34:27,079 --> 01:34:29,800
another one on to talk to Peter. So it's just

2037
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,680
it's just funny that he's just randomly wearing the lab coat. Yeah,

2038
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,199
I don't know why he didn't wear it more. That's

2039
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:36,560
such an iconic thing as the lizard in the lab coat.

2040
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,359
Speaker 2: It's probably in the CGI budget to make realistic fabric

2041
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:39,640
like that.

2042
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 1: Whatever. But yeah, the cops like just shoot the hell

2043
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,439
out of him and then he sprays them with lizard juice.

2044
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he turns him onto lizards. I don't see them

2045
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:51,439
again after that.

2046
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,239
Speaker 1: We see them when they're being cured.

2047
01:34:54,359 --> 01:34:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought they would play into it. Now

2048
01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:57,359
he's got a fighting yeah.

2049
01:34:57,359 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Cut back to them going like their tongues are all.

2050
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 2: And this is when it becomes like total over the

2051
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,960
top comic stuff, like again like what it does to

2052
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:09,279
a human body to turn into a lizard monster? Yeah,

2053
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:11,960
and then turn back like half an hour later like

2054
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:12,680
those Yeah.

2055
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, Uh, he's had it right toward Oscorp. And

2056
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,000
Peter's like, when I know I told you to go

2057
01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:19,159
to Oscorp, but get out of there. The lizard's headed there.

2058
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:21,520
She's like, I'm making the antidote. What the how am

2059
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,199
I supposed to do? And then for some reason they're like,

2060
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:27,680
hey Captain Spacey, uh Spacey, Stacy.

2061
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:30,039
Speaker 2: I keep saying, Kevin Spacey, when needs your health?

2062
01:35:30,039 --> 01:35:33,520
Speaker 1: Hey Kevin Spacey, it's twenty fourteen or twenty twelve. You're

2063
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,520
not canceled yet. House of Cards is coming out. Uh No,

2064
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,840
they go, hey, Captain Stacy, this giant lizard that attacked

2065
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,960
your daughter's school and try to eat everyone. It's spreading

2066
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,640
a biological weapon that's turning people into lizards, and Captain

2067
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:52,439
Stacy's like, gotta get Spider Man. Let's focus on Spider Man.

2068
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,880
Get my helicopter. We're hunting down Spider Man. Like, did

2069
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:56,000
you not hear anything?

2070
01:35:56,079 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: But just wait, the lizard could spray all that lizard

2071
01:35:59,039 --> 01:36:00,800
stuff in the air nless he had some kind of

2072
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:06,720
Ganali device. You're not gonna believe it's Kevin Spacey, but.

2073
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, uh, they taste Spider Man while he's swinging around.

2074
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,319
He webs up a bunch of the cops so they

2075
01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:21,000
can't see this. He reveals himself as Spider Man. Like

2076
01:36:21,039 --> 01:36:23,239
Captain Stacey has him like a gun point. He takes

2077
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:26,119
his mask off when he's like, Peter, it's you, and

2078
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:27,760
he's like, yeah, and you gotta let me go because

2079
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,800
that lizard's gonna kill your daughter. And he's like, well,

2080
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,600
just so full of emotions right now. But yeah, I

2081
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,920
guess the Captain's like, all right, go get him Tiger.

2082
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,720
I wish he said that. Great. Uh. The lizard breaks

2083
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,279
into Oscorp and grabs the canon. I do like that.

2084
01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:48,479
He opens his mouth to like smell, because like lizards

2085
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,640
will use their tongues to pick up scent in the air,

2086
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:55,319
and they also just open their mouth to like eventilate

2087
01:36:55,399 --> 01:36:57,359
and like cool themselves down sometimes, but that was like

2088
01:36:57,399 --> 01:37:00,840
it was fun seeing him and do like a lizard thing. Yeah.

2089
01:37:01,159 --> 01:37:04,079
But yeah, he finds Stacey in like her closet and

2090
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:06,800
she shoots him with like a flamethrower and he's like, okay,

2091
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,359
I'm gone. Yeah, it was weird. I think so many

2092
01:37:10,399 --> 01:37:13,279
people were critical of Mary Jane and the other films

2093
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:15,640
just constantly needing to be rescued, and they're like, this

2094
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,800
girl's tough, she can take care of her own. It's like, yeah,

2095
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,720
but it's not impressive when the bad guy goes, oh,

2096
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:26,239
all right bye and I walks away. Okay, So Spider

2097
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:28,000
Man injured his leg at some point right.

2098
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,239
Speaker 2: In one of the captain Stacey is like, let him go,

2099
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:33,920
hold your fire and then one of the Overzel's cops

2100
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:35,159
shoots Spider Man leg.

2101
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so he shot in the leg and somehow this

2102
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,039
makes it hard to swing on building. I hate this

2103
01:37:43,159 --> 01:37:46,439
scene so much because they're like Spider Man, I don't

2104
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,279
think he's gonna make it in time, Like could he

2105
01:37:48,399 --> 01:37:50,640
just like get in a car, could a cop car drive? Hey?

2106
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,720
That helicopter they have.

2107
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 2: They're trying to do the scene that was done in

2108
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,640
Spider Man one all throwing trash at the Green Goblin. Yeah,

2109
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,000
or the scene from Spider Man Too where they get

2110
01:38:02,039 --> 01:38:04,159
in the way of doc oc.

2111
01:38:04,119 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: Like the New Yorkers come together.

2112
01:38:06,199 --> 01:38:08,520
Speaker 2: But we can't repeat those movies, so we have to

2113
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,520
in the most weird, convoluted way, have a bunch of

2114
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,239
New Yorkers help Spider Man. So it turns out the

2115
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:17,399
guy he saved on the bridge like works in construction

2116
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,720
and knows all the crane guys, so he's like, we

2117
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,640
need to line up a bunch of cranes. So Spider

2118
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,039
Man has a straight shot to os Corp.

2119
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,359
Speaker 1: Tower and soul Man is there leading the charge. But

2120
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:31,479
it's like it's I'm like, would that help? Like he can?

2121
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:31,960
He can?

2122
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:34,159
Speaker 2: So I guess he could swing there, like there's all

2123
01:38:34,199 --> 01:38:36,840
these buildings. Yeah, but instead of aiming this way and

2124
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,079
zig Zag can aim straight, it's like you got shot

2125
01:38:40,119 --> 01:38:42,960
in the leg, so you can't point that way. It's

2126
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:46,159
just it's weird enough that it is distracting when I watch.

2127
01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:49,319
It's supposed to be this overwhelming we're all coming together moment,

2128
01:38:49,399 --> 01:38:50,840
and I'm like, but would that really help?

2129
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: And then help the bullet he webs up the bulletoinn

2130
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,279
and then he's fine, yeah, and does that help? But

2131
01:38:56,399 --> 01:38:58,760
like there was a news helicopter. Couldn't he have just

2132
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,479
been like, hey, swing me over there. So clunky, it's

2133
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,000
so bad, and you're right, it's they're trying to imitate

2134
01:39:05,039 --> 01:39:07,840
those moments and it's just falling flat. Ye. And then

2135
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,479
he's doing all these complicated like twists and twirls in

2136
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,520
the air. It's like, not if your leg is injured,

2137
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,760
like I thought, we're supposed to care about your leg being.

2138
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:16,000
I don't think he needed to help.

2139
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:17,760
Speaker 2: It's like once they set up all the cranes, he

2140
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,840
was like, I guess I'll use the cranes make everybody.

2141
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,159
Speaker 1: There help me. I'm glad to see Thomas Hall got

2142
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,159
a small part in this though. But yeah, lizard loads

2143
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:29,960
up the device and then Spider Man shows up in

2144
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,680
the fight for a bit. Uh, and then this is weird.

2145
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:39,079
The Lizard's like poor Peter Parker, no father, no mother,

2146
01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:42,680
no uncle, all alone. I wanted to be like except

2147
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:48,199
for aunt May. Yeah, gwent Stacy. Yeah yeah, I mean

2148
01:39:48,199 --> 01:39:50,640
the lizard might not know about Gwen's stacy, true really,

2149
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:53,560
but oh yeah, I'm sorry he doesn't know about Aunt

2150
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,840
May because that deleted scene he never went into Peter's house.

2151
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:03,199
There was a deleted scene where after Ben's funeral, Connors

2152
01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:04,960
is outside the house and he's like, look, the mouse

2153
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,960
has four legs. Now, please come back to Oscorp. Sorry,

2154
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,680
your uncle died. But yeah, I guess he. I guess

2155
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:13,239
he just doesn't know about Aunt Meg because he's like

2156
01:40:13,279 --> 01:40:15,159
all alone. I wanted to be like, well, it's got

2157
01:40:15,159 --> 01:40:16,079
that ant listen.

2158
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:19,359
Speaker 2: It's also just like he's it's such an evil thing

2159
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:20,039
to say.

2160
01:40:20,079 --> 01:40:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, well that's just classic lizards. But

2161
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:25,800
the love humiliating other lizards, lack of family.

2162
01:40:26,119 --> 01:40:28,239
Speaker 2: From his perspective, he's doing the right thing, like he's

2163
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:31,560
trying to help humanity. Yeah, so, but he's never like

2164
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,600
pleading his case, like Peter, this will help everyone.

2165
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2166
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 2: Instead it's like you're all alone, you big loser.

2167
01:40:39,399 --> 01:40:42,079
Speaker 1: But Captain Stacy saves the day. He's like, he's not alone.

2168
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:46,560
Me who hates him, is here to save it. But

2169
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,560
the bomb goes off and they were able to switch

2170
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,920
it with the antidote, and all the lizard people are

2171
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,600
turned normal. And I don't know what the antidote does

2172
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,079
to people who weren't affected. I don't know, never gets explored.

2173
01:40:57,199 --> 01:41:01,479
So yeah, lizard starts to turn back into what we

2174
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,000
call it connors.

2175
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:04,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

2176
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,199
Speaker 1: The whole tower like fucking falls off of Odscorp because

2177
01:41:08,199 --> 01:41:11,319
there was like liquid cooling or something liquid nitrogen. Yeah,

2178
01:41:11,399 --> 01:41:13,159
which I don't I don't think that's how that works.

2179
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,000
But yeah I saw a terminator too. It's exactly. It

2180
01:41:17,039 --> 01:41:19,800
falls off the tower. It like completely shatters, right. Who

2181
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,479
knows how many people died down there, but yeah, he's

2182
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,399
able to save him, and then his arm like just

2183
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,760
starts to fall off. He's like, wait, my other arm.

2184
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:29,520
Speaker 2: He had to switch arms to the attached Peter. He's

2185
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:30,359
like ah.

2186
01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:32,279
Speaker 1: And then this shot of him turning back into a

2187
01:41:32,319 --> 01:41:37,760
human was recycled in no way home shots Captain Stacy,

2188
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:39,399
who's dying because he got like stabs.

2189
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 2: Right, So when when Spider Man went up to swap

2190
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:47,039
out the poison with the antidote Qwen, Stacy's dad was

2191
01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:49,279
holding off the lizard. Yeah, but that only worked for

2192
01:41:49,319 --> 01:41:52,239
so long. Started regrowing his limbs and he stabbed yea,

2193
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,359
Captain Stacy.

2194
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: So he's dying. He's like, look, you gotta you're gonna

2195
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:57,920
be a hero. You're gonna make a lot of enemies

2196
01:41:58,039 --> 01:42:00,560
or something. I know this because I'm a cop. I

2197
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:04,359
read the comics. I read the comics. He's like, you're

2198
01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:06,239
gonna make a lot of enemies, And all I ask

2199
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:10,119
is you keep Gwen out of it. So, yes, teenage

2200
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:15,159
boy with raging hormones who's currently courting smoking hot Emma

2201
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:16,800
Stone stay away from her.

2202
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 2: Like he really wanted her to stay away. He should

2203
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,800
have been like, I want you to marry my daughter,

2204
01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:23,239
like push it really hard. And then all of a sudden,

2205
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:25,399
Peter by feel so uncool.

2206
01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:31,239
Speaker 1: Reverse psychology. He wasn't thinking straight. He was bleeding out

2207
01:42:31,239 --> 01:42:35,880
because he was stabed by a lizard. So yeah he uh,

2208
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,520
he dies, and Peter's all sad. He's crying on top

2209
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,880
of the thing. They have a funeral and Peter attends

2210
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,319
but doesn't really go to it's watching from afar. Yeah,

2211
01:42:46,359 --> 01:42:49,239
the guy who feels guilty like the Punisher and war Zone,

2212
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,920
which I mean it would have been awkward if the

2213
01:42:52,039 --> 01:42:54,720
killer of the guy was just there at the funeral, like, yeah, here,

2214
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,920
I am my bad what what? Yeah? Something's saying to me?

2215
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,199
But yeah, she goes. She like gets mad at him.

2216
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:04,279
She's like, I can't believe you didn't come to the funeral.

2217
01:43:04,359 --> 01:43:07,640
How dare you? Uh? And then she leaves and aunt

2218
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,520
May's like that's a nice girl. Why don't you go

2219
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,439
after He's like I can't. She's like, go get late.

2220
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,039
She doesn't know the context of everything. I know.

2221
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 2: It's like you're recapping in a very flippant tone. But

2222
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,800
I mean in terms of the stuff I liked in

2223
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,760
the movie, Yeah, this all worked for me, like the drama.

2224
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Of like why works.

2225
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 2: You're there for me, even Flash Thompson was there.

2226
01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then like this, I get what they're doing.

2227
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,039
They're doing the end of the first movie, he's like, Nope,

2228
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:39,520
my relate, my vigilanteism got the people I cared about.

2229
01:43:39,399 --> 01:43:42,359
Speaker 2: Her with the gratuitous voice over, yeah once I love

2230
01:43:42,399 --> 01:43:43,239
will always suffer.

2231
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 1: Yes, but uh, he's trying. They're trying to do that again.

2232
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,520
And then he listens to Uncle Ben's voicemail finally, which

2233
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,840
again was way too sentimental for the headspace that he

2234
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:52,079
was in.

2235
01:43:52,199 --> 01:43:54,359
Speaker 2: And I remember the first time I saw this, I

2236
01:43:54,399 --> 01:43:57,000
was like, oh, on the voicemail, they're gonna do the

2237
01:43:57,039 --> 01:43:59,079
great power, Great Responsibility line for sure.

2238
01:43:59,279 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: He just keeps dancing around it. No, uh but yeah,

2239
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,479
then it's like, okay, he's got to learn responsibility, right,

2240
01:44:07,039 --> 01:44:09,680
he's gotta make sure he's gonna honor that dead man's wishes.

2241
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,560
He's gonna do the hard thing and said it ends

2242
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,319
where he's all like, I'm gonna break that promise. So

2243
01:44:14,359 --> 01:44:18,399
I'm like that one of the ahisshole so fucking stupid.

2244
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:22,560
Like obviously they're gonna get back together because they have to,

2245
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,640
you know, drop her off a high thing to kill her.

2246
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,439
But like that right now, like that was like kind

2247
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,159
of like, to be honest, you learn nothing.

2248
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,319
Speaker 2: I liked it how they kind of play like they

2249
01:44:32,319 --> 01:44:35,640
didn't get back together, but obviously he left the window open,

2250
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,720
the door open that they might because the teacher he

2251
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,479
shows up late to class and the teachers like, you're

2252
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,640
late again. He's like, I promise it won't happen again,

2253
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,239
and she's like promises are only worthwhile if they're not broken,

2254
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,239
or like promise whatever promises you never break, and then.

2255
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:52,079
Speaker 1: Peter's like, but those are the best kind. I loved it.

2256
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:52,760
I actually like that.

2257
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,079
Speaker 2: I would a sucker for that for me. The the

2258
01:44:55,319 --> 01:44:59,239
romantic drama buried under this movie. Yeah, I actually enjoyed.

2259
01:44:59,359 --> 01:45:02,039
Like the chemistry read between Garfield and mm A Stone,

2260
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:04,159
I thought all that worked very well.

2261
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:06,399
Speaker 1: I just I just thought that was like, oh, he's

2262
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,800
learning a lesson. He's gonna have to do the hard thing.

2263
01:45:09,279 --> 01:45:12,279
But it would have been broken. It's not like he

2264
01:45:12,359 --> 01:45:13,800
learned it early on and then he broke it at

2265
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,319
the end, Like I know everyone gets mad at like

2266
01:45:16,399 --> 01:45:18,520
Superman bringing Low's laying back to life, but like he

2267
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,600
learns about the non interfering with history early on, right,

2268
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,560
and then the power of love whatever. At the end

2269
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,600
he ignores his father's wishes, but like he just made

2270
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:27,319
this promise.

2271
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,399
Speaker 2: They try to get past it with like you've got

2272
01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:31,600
a bit of a montage. He turns her away a

2273
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,520
few times, and then his aunt May tells him, like

2274
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,800
you're good, Peter, you could be with her. And then

2275
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,000
Uncle Ben from beyond the grave is telling him like

2276
01:45:39,079 --> 01:45:41,279
the voicemail you might meet a girl one day, Quinn,

2277
01:45:41,279 --> 01:45:42,840
you should be with her, the girl from her computer.

2278
01:45:43,239 --> 01:45:46,840
Like they I feel like it would have been unsatisfying

2279
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,760
and just like a bummer to end on the note

2280
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:49,359
of like that's it.

2281
01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:51,159
Speaker 1: They're not together, So I.

2282
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:53,079
Speaker 2: Feel like trying to straddle the line of like they're

2283
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,600
not back together, but there's a hint they might get there.

2284
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: Yea.

2285
01:45:56,079 --> 01:45:58,359
Speaker 2: To me, it's like I think it hit the right note. Yeah,

2286
01:45:58,399 --> 01:45:59,399
but I mean yeah, to be.

2287
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:02,079
Speaker 1: Fair, Yeah, he could just promise a dying man in

2288
01:46:02,119 --> 01:46:04,880
five minutes later. It just makes him seem like an asshole. Really,

2289
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:08,479
and I just don't like the Spider Man. Uh. But yeah,

2290
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,920
he swings away in three D a scene that's clearly

2291
01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:15,079
meant for three D, like he's going through like the

2292
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:17,000
Greats and everything. He's shooting webs at the camp.

2293
01:46:17,159 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 2: Just a moment like where his leg is like way up. Yeah,

2294
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,760
it's doing one of like the crazy poses you see

2295
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:23,920
he's doing, then.

2296
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:28,039
Speaker 1: Going a slow motion. It's really it was just to

2297
01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:29,760
put it in the trailer, but it did look cool.

2298
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,159
I thought it was cool. I yes, it looked fine. Uh,

2299
01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:35,840
I can't he give the movie a little bit of credit? Sorry.

2300
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,880
Then we get like a mid teaser credit or something

2301
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,600
where the con the lizard is in prison and then

2302
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:47,520
a man with a hat questions him if Peter knows

2303
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the truth about his father, and then he goes no,

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and then he goes stay away from Peter Parker. I

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got a human brain again and I care and that'll

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set up for nothing. Actually it'll set up for nothing.

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Gil And that was the amazing Spider Man. Uh, don't

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care for it, one might say, not so amazing. It's yeah,

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thank you Adam does movie. Yeah, it is not held up.

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And I know people who just were unhappy with Sam

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Raemy Spider Man were kind of like lifting this up.

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It's funny. We used to like like the new thing

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despite the old thing, and now we're loving the old

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thing despite the new thing. It's like a new thing

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that's happening.

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Speaker 2: No, it's like, I think there were things in the

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movie that were done well, but at the end of

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the day, if you add it all up, it is

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just a very bland movie. It's got some dumb stuff

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in it, but really the main issue is just it's

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not engaging.

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Speaker 1: No. Yeah, it's stuff we've all kind of seen before

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in those other three. It didn't really rewrite the Wheel,

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as we say I did that. I made that flub

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like three years ago. There's one fan who brings it

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up in every review, every comment section. It's like, yeah,

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I really rewrote the Wheel like at that one time. Yeah,

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it just offered nothing new and It's like, why are

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we even making this? I think there were some people

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who mistakenly thought that this was going to be worked

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into The Avengers. Oh, even though it was it, they

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thought maybe.

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Speaker 2: I remember one of that there was a trailer that

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had the Avengers Tower in the background as just like

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an easter egg. That might honestly, that might have been

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like Morbius or something. I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Morbius had the Oscorp from this building trailer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Morbius had easter eggs from every iteration of

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01:48:35,079 --> 01:48:37,600
Spider Man were in the trailer. Yeah, there's a Daily

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Bugle logo in the Sam Raimi movies. There's Oscorp Tower

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from Area Garfield, and there's spray Paint, which is the

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Sam Raimi suit but the one that was featured in

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the PS four video game.

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Speaker 1: And it says Murderer implying that it might take place

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in the Tom Holland universe. And then all of that

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01:48:51,359 --> 01:48:53,079
was just the trailer. None of it made it into

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01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:57,359
the movie. That was so funny. Uh, But yeah, I

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01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:01,119
this was just like a total nothing. It was bland.

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It was boring. When I was revisiting all these movies

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for No Way Home, after I was done, I did

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01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,960
the commentary tracks with movie Dumpster, but after that I

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01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,159
was just like, I feel like I could have just

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01:49:12,199 --> 01:49:15,439
skipped these there's just nothing here. I don't know why

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01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,840
people pretended to like them so much, and I don't

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and I feel like a lot of people just didn't

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see them. Yeah. So when No Way, when we said

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01:49:22,119 --> 01:49:23,880
no Way home came out, when they were like, yeah,

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01:49:24,119 --> 01:49:26,520
Andrew Garfield greens like, Nope, No, he's not.

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Speaker 2: If you look at it through rose colored glasses. The

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01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:31,560
thing you might remember is that Andrew Garfield is a

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01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,760
great actor. Yeah, and so is im a stone Yeah,

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01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,760
and so I think if you take away everything in

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01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,039
this movie, the characterization of Peter Parker, if you don't

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care for it, at the end of the day, when

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01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,800
those important moments come, I do think he sells it. Yeah,

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01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,439
but it's just in the context of a lot of

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01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,239
other stuff that's very easy to forget.

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01:49:46,359 --> 01:49:51,079
Speaker 1: Maybe you only remember the good parts. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,

2369
01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:53,079
let us know what you think. Do you still like

2370
01:49:53,159 --> 01:49:58,159
this movie? Why? Let us know if you do, have

2371
01:49:58,279 --> 01:50:00,479
you have? Has it gotten worse for you? Like it's

2372
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,880
gotten worse for me? Let let me know. And Gil,

2373
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:05,560
where can we find you. You can find me in

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01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:06,319
two places.

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01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 2: Go to YouTube dot com slash one take vis if

2376
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,399
you want to see a recap of all the Spider

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01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,119
Man movies in preparation for Spiderman Brand New Day. But

2378
01:50:16,279 --> 01:50:19,159
if you don't want recaps and summaries and timelines, go

2379
01:50:19,239 --> 01:50:22,560
over to YouTube dot com. Slash at Gil explains movies

2380
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,239
for analysis, reviews, and commentary, primarily on horror movies. Yes,

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01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,159
which hopefully in Brand New Day might be a horror

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01:50:29,239 --> 01:50:32,000
movie with the body horror. He's turning into a giant spider.

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01:50:32,039 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 1: That'll be the second Man Spider. We got this here

2384
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:37,119
because there was one for like a second in Spider Noir.

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01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:39,880
Oh did not get to that. I'm check out his

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01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,279
Spider Noir review. Check out my Spider Noir review where

2387
01:50:43,279 --> 01:50:45,520
I got all dressed up for it and then I

2388
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,600
immediately had to take it off because the black mask

2389
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,199
and the goggles, I couldn't see anything. I tried.

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01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 2: There's that viral video of a guy dressed up as

2391
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:55,760
Spider Man and then he jumps into a pool. I

2392
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,319
guess he didn't realize like I just accidentally waterboarded myself

2393
01:50:58,319 --> 01:51:00,760
and he starts to like suffocate see you in the middle,

2394
01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:04,960
in the middle of the review you send me can't breathe.

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01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, check all that out. Please follow me on

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01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:11,319
Patreon if you want to. You get the free podcast here,

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01:51:11,359 --> 01:51:14,399
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before this is before I go to the Rochester Comedy

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Festival July nineteenth for The Street Fighter the movie, the screening,

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01:51:26,079 --> 01:51:28,920
and I'll be at VHS Fest. Actually this might be

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01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,000
after VHS Fest, or maybe it's right before. Follow my

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