WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:06.799 of there. 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.160 I was done. 4 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:14.160 I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.559 is one of the things that turned me. 6 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:17.920 Away the quickest. 7 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 8 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.039 looked at us. And one of the things I remember 9 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:31.760 the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see 10 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.039 an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. 11 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:37.960 Like it is waiting for me. 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. 13 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.359 They're basically like, what are you talking about. 14 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.920 That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, 15 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:55.359 and that's where I saw. 16 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.000 The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. 17 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.520 As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.439 it don't like death. 19 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.719 Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I am your host, Brandon Wright. 20 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.879 Tonight's episode, we're going to be joined by my guest, Austin. 21 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:18.200 Austin is a paranormal researcher. He's also written a few books. 22 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:22.799 He's been doing some investigating here locally around Indiana, so 23 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.120 that's always something that kind of gets my attention, being 24 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.000 close to home. So I'm definitely looking forward to talking 25 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.560 with him a little bit but before we bring him on. 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:33.920 If you've ever had an experience and you would like 27 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:35.719 to be on an episode of ten Foiltels, there's a 28 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:38.000 couple of things you can do. You can send an 29 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.040 email to Tenfoil Tess podcast at gmail dot com, or 30 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.599 you can go to the website tenfoiltel dot com and 31 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.120 go to the contact section. 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Austin. 54 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:50.680 Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. 55 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.159 Hey, thanks for having me man, I appreciate. 56 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.159 It, not a problem. Would you like to let the 57 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.039 audience know a little bit about yourself. 58 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.039 Yeah, so I'm a parent one vest gator, been at 59 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:04.240 it for well over a decade now, and I have 60 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.080 a couple of books out, and yeah, it just been 61 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:12.280 sucked into the paranormal world, and it's a It's one 62 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:13.680 that you can't really get out of it once you 63 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:13.919 get in. 64 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:18.240 You know what kind of led you down that path? 65 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.319 Was there something that kind of triggered all that for you? 66 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:27.439 I you know, I really don't know. Growing up, I 67 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.080 was always just that weird kid who was obsessed with it. 68 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.599 I mean, going back to like five years old, I 69 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:36.000 was researching the paranormal. I think it helped that. You know, 70 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.280 I kind of grew up during the Art Belt era 71 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.240 and stuff like that. You know, Unsolved Mysteries was on TV, 72 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.960 Factor Fiction and all that stuff, So I think that 73 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.400 really kind of helped develop early on, and then just 74 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:54.520 having some experiences early on in life, it's just really 75 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:56.400 kind of had me deep dive into this. 76 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.680 That's basically the similarities with me as I grew up. 77 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.639 I'm a product of the eighties and then Unsold Mysteries, 78 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.240 the X Files. Yeah, the X Files, all that stuff 79 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.400 like that has been a huge influence on me throughout 80 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.840 my life. So like that's stuff I really enjoyed. So 81 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.519 it's kind of, I think partially what's influenced me to 82 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:18.680 be the way I am today. 83 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.759 Yeah. Absolutely, It's crazy. You know, just as a child, 84 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:27.519 you consume these little things and then all of a sudden, 85 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.600 this is your entire life, right, Like. 86 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:33.560 This is how to think about I don't do a 87 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.560 whole lot of like actual investigations or anything like that. 88 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:40.560 I went on a couple and I've I'm more of 89 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:45.240 a cryptid person myself, and yeah, I would love to 90 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:46.800 be able to go out and look for stuff. At 91 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:48.680 the same time, it's like I don't have the time. 92 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.560 So in order for me to compensate for not doing 93 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.439 what I wanted to do, I do this show. I 94 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:57.399 guess I'm the behind the microphone investigator that doesn't really 95 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.519 do an investigating Yeah. 96 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.639 I mean I I have a huge respect for the 97 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.399 crypted people, like they are a special breed of people 98 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:07.879 to go out and you know, these voods and everything 99 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.040 with everything that can kill them can see them, but 100 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.920 they can't see it type of thing like there could 101 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.920 be bears and all this stuff and there's out there. No, 102 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:16.639 I'm good. 103 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.560 I'm not a full on believer. I'm pretty skeptical on 104 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.360 a lot of things. So for me, it's like I 105 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.839 want to I want to believe. I'll up around the 106 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.879 old X files reference like, to me, I want to believe. 107 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.000 But and even though I've seen some things like I 108 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:38.839 still am kind of like I try to write it off. 109 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:40.720 I know that sounds dumb to a lot of people, 110 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:43.560 because like you've seen, like you experienced things like yeah, 111 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.680 but I always try and rationalize it. And when I 112 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:48.839 can't rationalize it, I'm like, all right. Well, for me, 113 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.879 it's like I have to be able to explain things 114 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:54.639 and when you can't explain it. That's why I do 115 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:55.079 what I do. 116 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:57.800 I dude that it just makes me so sad because 117 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.720 I'm exactly the same way. And whenever I used to 118 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.199 investigate with people, they'd get so angry at me because 119 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.600 I'd be sitting there trying to explain stuff. Even months later, 120 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:07.839 I'm like, well it could have been and they're like 121 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:12.560 kidchers accept But you know, that's why I call myself 122 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:16.720 a skeptical believer. And you'll never hear me say this 123 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.839 is evidence of ghosts, this is evidence. I don't know. 124 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.639 There's just it's just paranormal things that happened that I 125 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.040 can't explain, and it drives me nuts and keeps me 126 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.040 up at every single night trying to explain these things 127 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.800 and I just can't. So you know, people can take 128 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.000 a look and they draw their own conclusions, and that's that, 129 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:34.040 you know, mm hmm. 130 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.279 Now, like one percent of grade, it's it's hard to 131 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:43.639 make people understand that don't have experiences, and then there's 132 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.360 people that do have experiences, and then there's people that 133 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.680 are just full on believers. For me, I felt like 134 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.560 in the right category, like I want to say that 135 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.600 I experience things I want to say I have certain 136 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.079 activities that have happened to me or stuff like that, 137 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.319 but I also try and say, well, I can try 138 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.680 and explain a lot of it. And then you got 139 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.480 the people that like anytime they experience something that's automatically paranormal, 140 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.639 paranormal paranormal like well, not necessarily. 141 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.959 Yeah, exactly. I even go through periods where I'm like, Okay, 142 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.240 all this stuff's fake, you know, none of it's real, 143 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:22.759 and then you know, an hour or later, I'm like go, okay, 144 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.920 hold on. You know, I go through my doubt periods 145 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:26.360 for sure. 146 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.160 You said you've written a couple of books. I figured 147 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.959 we'll talk about that here in a second. But I 148 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.079 know you said before there was like one of the 149 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.399 there's something you're basically known for, like a case or 150 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.399 something or something that's even like you're experienced or whatever. 151 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.920 So you want to talk a little bit about that. Yeah, 152 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:50.480 So that's the book that I wrote, Taylor Milhorror. That 153 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.199 was a case from. 154 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.319 Probably almost ten years ago now, and it was essentially 155 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.319 a case I got thrown into. At the time, I 156 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.240 had a YouTube channel and we were looking how to 157 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.040 boost it, and uh so we're looking at all the 158 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:09.439 hot places to go to, and Bobby Mackie's was the 159 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.959 hot place. So we go book Bobby Mackie's, pay way 160 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.519 too much money for absolutely nothing, and the people there, 161 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:19.399 they said, hey, we got this place. You want to 162 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.240 stay there? It's supposedly haunted, Like, okay, cool place to stay. 163 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.240 We had no intentions of investigating anything like that. And 164 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.560 this happened to be the most insane case that I 165 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.799 have ever experienced. And yeah, I mean, I still can't believe. 166 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:42.120 The whole case in itself is just it's unbelievable. And 167 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.559 I'd spent so long not putting that book out. It 168 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.080 probably sat on my wealth for probably about eight years. 169 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.080 It's sat on my computer, and I didn't want to 170 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.279 put it out because the things that I experienced in 171 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.120 there I never believed in. And I thought, if I 172 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.480 put this out, he were to think that I'm absolutely insane, 173 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.559 and so I just didn't. I didn't. I didn't. Then 174 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.480 eventually I was like, you know what, I know what 175 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:13.639 I experienced, I know what happened, you know, and there's 176 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.399 other people who have experienced these things, and they might 177 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.440 be in the same situation that I'm in right now. 178 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.799 Who don't want to talk about it because people think 179 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.919 they're crazy. So I just pulled the trigger, decide to 180 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.080 put it out there, and yeah, it does pretty. 181 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:32.720 Well without diving into the whole things. I know, people 182 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:34.879 can read the book for all the details, but there 183 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:38.440 anything about it, like kind know, you want to talk about, 184 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.279 like what what was? So what happened during the thing 185 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:44.159 basically was like led you to where you are, Like 186 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.840 what was like the craziest stuff that happened during all. 187 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:52.440 The crazy stuff? So I mean, just just a little 188 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.279 bit of backstory. So when we first went there, we 189 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.759 figured out, or we were told that the homeowner he 190 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.200 was in the hospital on his deathbed and he swore 191 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.639 that whatever was in that home is what was killing him. 192 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.120 His family had moved out with the home, but he 193 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.679 kind of refused to. And this family was terrorized twenty 194 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.799 four to seven, and they'd save up money to go 195 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.279 stay in a hotel just to get some time away. 196 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.440 This home has changed hands more times than I can count, 197 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.480 and when we showed up, it looked like a brand 198 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:25.480 new house. I'm like, yeah, there's nothing going on here, 199 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.320 until later we found out that the tenants before tried 200 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:31.080 to destroy the home. They tried to burn it down, 201 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:36.279 try to take out the support beams with chainsaws and everything. 202 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.679 So they've rebuilt it on top of the original property. 203 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.279 But there, I mean, it was literally anything and everything 204 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.840 twenty four to seven. I mean, you're talking about insane 205 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:51.200 poltergeists activity, you're talking physical attacks, you're talking paranormal earthquakes, 206 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:57.879 shadow figures, voices. I always say, you know, one morning 207 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.120 I was making breakfast and it was probably like eight 208 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.240 and nine in the morning, and the plate flew across 209 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.399 the room and shattered. You could not sleep in that 210 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.720 home because it was literally twenty four to seven. A 211 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.639 priest went there and he got thrown across the room 212 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.440 and he ran out and never came back. I mean, 213 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:19.360 it was just unimaginable of the things that go on 214 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:20.279 inside that home. 215 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:25.759 Now, this is I don't you don't have to get 216 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.799 the exact location. But it isn't Bobby Mackew's that's in Tennessee, 217 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.080 isn't it. 218 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:32.639 It's it's in Kentucky, Okay. 219 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.440 And was this place also in Kentucky or is it 220 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:37.879 out of there? 221 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.559 Yeah, it's in Taylor Mill, Kentucky, Okay. So it was 222 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.480 probably like twenty twenty five minutes away. 223 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.480 Okay, it's still around, Yes it. 224 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:51.039 Is, it's still standing. I don't know the guy who 225 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:55.440 owns it does not claim that address on like all 226 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.360 this stuff, because I've been following it. This place sold 227 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.440 probably six or seven times since we stayed there, and 228 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.240 they even took the price from like one hundred and 229 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.000 fifty thousand dollars all the way down to like twenty 230 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.799 nine thousand dollars just to sell it at one point. 231 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.559 But it's owned by an elderly man. Now I haven't 232 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.039 reached out to him or anything, but he doesn't seem 233 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.519 to live there. It looks like he has another home 234 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:21.720 that he lives at. So I don't know if he's 235 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.840 trying to rent it out or if they're just leaving 236 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:30.200 the property abandoned, because all the previous owners, at least 237 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.320 as far as I know, have left that house and 238 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.600 let the bank take it over because they did not 239 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:39.799 they could not bring themselves to sell it and put 240 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.279 their family families through what they had gone through. And 241 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.200 so I know at least the past three previous owners 242 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.279 had the bank take over the property then it got 243 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:49.240 resold that way. 244 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:55.720 If I had the funding, I would always try to 245 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.480 find a place like that, I wouldn't live in it, right, 246 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:05.440 absolutely not. It would be my personal, like my own 247 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.600 little thing to do my own sort of like research 248 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.759 on exactly. Yeah, it would make a great research center, 249 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.159 but you know, we stayed there for two weeks and 250 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.519 that was just it was terrible. 251 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.879 Man. I would never do that again. But to have 252 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.879 that place's research facility, where you know, you spend a 253 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.480 day or two there, it'd be wild. 254 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.639 There's too many people that I feel like are so 255 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:34.279 against the thought of paranormal and if you if someone 256 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:36.879 had the opportunity to stay at a place for a 257 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.399 certain amount of time and document it, like over time, 258 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.519 like all the instances have happened, like set up cameras 259 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.360 twenty four to seven surveillance, Like you could have the 260 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.039 documentation and then the experiences and then everything, like you 261 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.919 can back it up with some sort of physical proof, 262 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.879 and then the naysayers can be like, oh, well, they'll 263 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.279 still come up with a reasoning of what is and 264 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.759 they'll say, oh, you're just hoaxing the whole thing. But 265 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:06.879 I feel like that's one of the only ways that 266 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:08.559 you're going to get some people to actually start to 267 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.960 believe into it. Is by having a place that is 268 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.440 well documented of having that because you've heard of things 269 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.639 like Waverley Hills. You've heard of all these right places 270 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.960 that have had all these right crazy experiences. It goes on, 271 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.279 but unless someone's able to actually experience it themselves, they're 272 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.320 never going to actually believe it. Even if they do 273 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.279 experience it, I still think it's hard to turn someone's 274 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:32.440 mind into being on a open to believing in the 275 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.120 type of stuff just for whatever reason. 276 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.519 Yeah, that's it. You know, I'm filming this new series now, 277 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:44.279 and I brought a guy who I didn't know. I 278 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:46.559 just kind of reached out to him, and he was 279 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.320 a big time non believer in the paranormal because I 280 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.960 needed some help running some cameras, and you know, his 281 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:55.840 religion didn't allow him to believe in it, and he 282 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.600 had such an insane experience that he then basically wouldn't 283 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.399 go anywhere without all the lights on, he wouldn't leave 284 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:08.519 any doors open. He was absolutely terrified, and he ended 285 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:13.159 up leaving early. So it was kind of entertaining. But yeah, 286 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.399 once you, like you said, people have to experience something 287 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.840 at that point, I mean, it kind of just like 288 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:20.639 shatters their whole reality, you know. 289 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:26.159 Yeah, So for you, how long have you been doing this? 290 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.440 You said, Uh, it's been probably eleven twelve years. I'd 291 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.720 say as far as actually investigating, as far as researching, 292 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.240 it's you know, it's been my life. 293 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:39.679 Like, when was the first experience that you actually have 294 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.679 while investigating? Like, was that prior to this place, like 295 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.240 that you actually had something that actually stood out to 296 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.919 you as being actual paranormal? 297 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:54.600 Oh, prior before getting into investigating. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, 298 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.600 I live and grew up in an over one hundred 299 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.320 year old farmhouse on suppose was a Native American land, 300 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:06.320 and growing up it was all kinds of experiences that 301 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:10.159 I personally had. I would see an apparition of a 302 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.279 man and a woman walk up to my room kind 303 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.399 of acknowledge me. I would hear the voice of a 304 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:21.519 little girl, you know, things like that NonStop, and you know, 305 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:26.200 no one really believed me until they eventually started experiencing stuff. 306 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:31.840 So I think that's really what, you know, I needed answers. 307 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.960 I really needed answers, and that's what really really pushed 308 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.799 me into, you know, getting into it in certain research 309 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:40.120 at such an early age. 310 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.799 Really, I feel like a lot of us that's why 311 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.639 we get into the things we do, because we're looking 312 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:45.799 for answers. 313 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:49.000 Yeah. Absolutely. The problem is you're never going to find them. 314 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:50.200 You're just gonna keep chasing. 315 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.639 That's I literally made a post. I think it was 316 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.840 yesterday that I've been It's been two years since I 317 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.480 started the show and I started wanting to find answers. 318 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:06.160 But basically you come away with more questions and you 319 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.279 do answers, and it's a hard pill to swallow, but 320 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:09.519 that is part of it. 321 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.079 Yeah, I know you're one un percent right, and you 322 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.079 know every time you think you have an answer, every 323 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.440 time I think I know, I'll go to another place 324 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.400 and it's the complete opposite. It's true, you know, you'll 325 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.759 just never really know the answers until you know. If 326 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.480 it's about ghosts, who won't know until we die? Cryptis 327 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.160 all the stuff, I mean, who knows, who knows if 328 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.160 we'll ever know the truth. 329 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:33.839 I feel like a lot of it's all tied together 330 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.079 in one way or another, just even with my show. 331 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.839 The concept is obviously anything on the fringe sort of 332 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:46.640 topics of paranormal cryptis, aliens, conspiracy, whatever, it's out there 333 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.200 type of talk that most people are going to prefer 334 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.400 to you as crazy for believing it and or talking 335 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.200 about it. But for me, it's like, I think all 336 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.319 of the stuff, in one form or another, has some 337 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:58.519 sort of connection to it. 338 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.079 Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree. And I was just talking 339 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.599 to someone yesterday about this. We years and years ago, 340 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.160 I went investigated the little hotel in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 341 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.359 and we went we talked to the guy who was 342 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.359 running the Mothman Museum, and we were asking about the 343 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.160 hauntings over there, and he just kind of looked at us. 344 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.400 He was like, you guys really believe in ghosts? Like, oh, yeah, 345 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.200 we think there's a possibility. He was like, that's literally 346 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.599 the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But let me tell 347 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.759 you about how the Mothman's real and how the CIA 348 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.200 follows me home with black Hawk helicopters every night. And 349 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.920 I'm just like, yeah, I'm not even making that up, 350 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.920 Like I swear that's how the conversation went. But to me, 351 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:41.599 it's just so insane that someone can believe in one 352 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.200 thing and not the other, because all too often it parallels, 353 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:47.799 and even if you know, especially if we're in the 354 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.640 paranormal community and we believe in tulpa creation and stuff 355 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:53.440 like that. Who's to say things like Bigfoot can't exist 356 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.240 as a tulpa, you know, it's it's really all tied together. 357 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:03.599 Yeah, it's very hard to say one thing is real 358 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.519 and someone something else is not. Like I actually I 359 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:13.640 till there's a lot honestly. Basically, I've noticed that most 360 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.720 paranormal groups do not like the cryptid groups, and the 361 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:19.400 cryptid groups don't get along with the UFO groups. And 362 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.920 like there's so many different little communities you know, online, 363 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.799 and everyone like it for some reason like hates each other, 364 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:26.960 which again I guess said earlier, think that a lot 365 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:31.079 of it's all somehow related. But yeah, there's so much 366 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:34.200 inner fighting between the groups and like you can't believe 367 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.519 in this, oh this, but like not that even bring 368 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.720 up the religious aspect to it, but like a lot 369 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.960 of religious people refuse to believe in paranormal stuff like 370 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.519 with ghosts or anything. But like a lot of these 371 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:53.000 people literally are worshiping a god which is supposedly a 372 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:58.000 spirit's exactly and then like a holy ghost. It's like 373 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:01.359 wait a minute. 374 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.759 Yeah, yeah, I think the whole thing's crazy as far 375 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.079 as like, like you said people are religions not believing 376 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:09.599 in the paranormal when you look at these biblical texts 377 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:13.279 and it's pretty much all paranormal. And at the same token, 378 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.720 it's people who are in the paranormal field who say 379 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.119 all religion is ridiculous, yet they believe in tulpas And 380 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.160 it's like, okay, every week we have hundreds of thousands, 381 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.000 if not millions, of people send them one place all 382 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.720 around the world. Like thinking about these creatures with such 383 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.720 strong emotion, like how can you say that these things 384 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.960 don't exist if you believe that they you know, we 385 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:40.240 can create entities. I mean, come on now, it's just 386 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:42.599 I don't know, it's so absurd to me as far 387 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.200 as like the cherry picking as to what's real what's not, 388 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:47.519 because no one knows. No one knows what's real. 389 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:53.880 Mm hmm, no one has the slightest clue. I think 390 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:56.240 we have my like we have our beliefs, but no one, 391 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.079 one hundred percent has any real idea of what goes 392 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:00.559 on in anyone the cs they do. 393 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:01.000 I don't. 394 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.000 I don't really take it all that seriously. 395 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.039 No you can't. I mean, alls we can agree on 396 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.759 is that there's some weird stuff that goes on. Yeah, 397 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:12.680 I mean, that's that's all we got. What is it? 398 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:13.240 We don't know. 399 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:20.400 Is there anything experience wise that you would like to 400 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:23.400 just kind of dive on into. 401 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:33.119