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True Murder with 29 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.239 your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 30 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:50.200 In the midst of Pennsylvania's Amish Country, on a peaceful 31 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.040 summer night in two thousand and eight, the body of 32 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.799 forty five year old Jan Roseboro was found at the 33 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.719 bottom of her backyard pool. Her husband, Michael, a successful 34 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:02.920 business and a member of a prominent family, showed no 35 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:05.439 emotion as he learned of her death, but the next day, 36 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.439 in autopsy revealed Jan had been savagely beaten and strangled 37 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:11.719 before being tossed in the water to drown. Soon, Michael's 38 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.280 secret lover, pregnant with his child, stepped into the media spotlight, 39 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.159 and a horrifying true story of illicit pass and passion, 40 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.560 deadly deceit, and cold budded murder unfolded Love Her to 41 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.680 Death is the book we were going to be speaking 42 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.439 about tonight with my special guest investigated journalist and author 43 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.560 M William Phelps. Thank you very much for agreeing to 44 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:37.000 this program, and welcome to the program. M William Phelps, 45 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:38.759 Hey Dan, how are you. 46 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.520 Thanks for having me on, appreciate it. 47 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:41.479 Thank you very much. 48 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:41.919 Matthew. 49 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.280 Why don't you set the tone for this here? And 50 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:52.199 we spoke of Pennsylvania's homage country in a place called Denver, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. 51 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:54.039 Tell us a little bit about the community and the 52 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.000 kinds of people that live in this community. 53 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.560 Well, when we talk small town in which kind of 54 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.400 a cliche they are almost to talk small town nowadays 55 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:09.159 where everybody knows everybody. Denver is essentially a small town. 56 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:17.360 And surrounding Denver you have Mennonites, you have the Amish, 57 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.240 and you know, there's probably, I don't know, four thousand, 58 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.479 five thousand people in this community, but it seems like 59 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.800 a lot less because it's so rural, so hilly, it's 60 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:34.759 so spread out, and it's just quintessential Armis country. You know, 61 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:40.080 green landscapes, you know, cows, horses, corn I mean, there 62 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.680 are sections of this town. I'm driving through with one 63 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.400 of the police officers and I was there during right 64 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.560 before they were chopping all the corn, and literally you're 65 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:57.159 driving around in a tunnel of corn. You can't see 66 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.879 you can't see the roads anywhere but where you're driving, 67 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.319 and it's really eerie a little bit and really strange. 68 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.479 And so I think the point I'm trying to make 69 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:10.759 is for a murder to take place in a town 70 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.439 like this, it's not only rare. I mean, I think 71 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:15.639 the only other murder that took place in town that 72 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.360 these cops investigated was twenty years before, and they had 73 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:23.720 salvad I think that day or something. So this was very, 74 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.439 very strange and very rare for this community. 75 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.560 Now, one of the main characters of this story, of course, 76 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.920 is Jan Roseboro and Michael Roseboro. Maybe you can tell 77 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.920 us first about Jan Roseboro and how she met Michael, 78 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.720 and tell us a little bit about Jen Roseboro, her family, 79 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.439 her upbringing, where she grew up, tell us a little 80 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:44.800 bit about Jan Roseboro place. 81 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:47.560 Well, I mean, they all grew up right in that 82 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:52.199 Pennsylvania area there, maybe not in Denver, but certainly in 83 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.639 and around that area. And Jan came from a pretty 84 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.199 well to do family of bankers. Our father was, you know, 85 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:01.360 her father, as describe in a book A little bit 86 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.839 was that James stort character in Uh, It's a wonderful life. 87 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.959 Who you know, if you didn't have the collateral or 88 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.120 if you didn't have really the credit, he gave you 89 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.360 the loan because he knew you and he trusted you, 90 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:18.120 you know, and he was that banker. And uh, later 91 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.360 on in life, when the kids grew up, Jan her 92 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:26.439 sister's brother, the the he sold the bank to a 93 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.120 big corporate bank, and so they had some money, sure 94 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.519 and Jan, but but Jan didn't grow up in a 95 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:38.000 family that flaunted it or that you know, showed off, 96 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.199 you know, the wealth that the family had. She she 97 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.199 didn't indulge herself in in you know, all kinds of luxuries. 98 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.639 I mean, she had money, so she had things in 99 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:54.319 life like anybody. And and and she was just when 100 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:59.879 she married Mike Roseborough, who was again another person who 101 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.920 came from a well to do family. Michael Roseboro's family 102 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:10.959 had been into mortuary undertaking business burying people for over 103 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.120 a century. I mean his great great grandfather's great grand grandfather. 104 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.439 And then Michael took over the company and it was 105 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.199 a one man operation. Basically they had some help, but 106 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.160 it was you know, I got a hold of the 107 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.199 financial records and they were making you know, they were 108 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.879 bringing in over a million dollars a year in that 109 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:34.240 little town, burying people, you know, and so you had basically, 110 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:39.120 if I hasten to say it, but like a power 111 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:43.040 couple in this little community, this would be it. I mean, 112 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.720 but by no means that they flaunt it. You know, 113 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.680 Mike did later, but not early on in you know, 114 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:55.240 they were they were just two people who fell in love, 115 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.600 came from similar backgrounds as far as financial et cetera, 116 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:06.000 and education wise. Both went to college, et cetera. And 117 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.120 they fell in love and started having kids and Jan 118 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.839 and this is where Jan's true character started to shine. 119 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:17.040 She loved being a mother, She loved taking care of 120 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:21.319 those kids. She she was her vocation. She was at 121 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.800 every swim meet, every little league game, soccer game, and she, 122 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.759 you know, she took those kids around. And you know, 123 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.079 Mike worked, you know, and there was nothing wrong with that. 124 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.800 Sure. Now, what was Michael Roseboro's upbringing. You talk about 125 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.079 that he had a wealthy family and they were in 126 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.199 the funeral home business, and then he inherited that mantle 127 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.959 and went on to be a successful operator of this 128 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.800 funeral home. Roseboro funeral home. So tell us about his 129 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.680 upbringing and whether there's any siblings. Tell us a little 130 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.680 bit about his early life and what was he really 131 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.560 like according to the people that knew him best. 132 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.000 Yeah, I mean I spoke to lots of people about 133 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.680 Michael Roseboro and they all said the same thing, that 134 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.160 he was that jock guy. You know, he was that 135 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:12.040 mister popular guy who for many girls in high school 136 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.319 basically was unapproachable and that sort of thing. But deep 137 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.519 down he was a shy guy, you know, and thought 138 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.160 he was mister it, et cetera, et cetera. And his 139 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.560 whole life he worked at a funeral home. I mean, 140 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:32.360 that was his life. He was groomed from high school 141 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:34.240 to take over the business. And one of the quotes 142 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:39.559 in the book talks about, you know, he was mortified 143 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.759 by death. He said, he hated death, but yet it 144 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.159 became his life, so he learned to accept it. And 145 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.159 he said the best part of my job is sitting 146 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.039 with families in their time and need and being compassionate 147 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.080 to them. And I found this to be one of 148 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:01.360 the most bizarre strain, you know, stunning part of this 149 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.799 for me that I talked to couple after a couple, 150 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:10.840 person after person who said, Mike came into my home 151 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.879 to pick up my father or my son or whomever 152 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.000 had died, and he was the most compassionate, caring for 153 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.679 He made me feel like I didn't have a worry 154 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:22.600 in the world. He was going to take care of everything. 155 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.200 He picked up the body, put it in, you know, 156 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.600 in a body bag, took it out, and prepared it, 157 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.759 and he took care of everything. So he did end 158 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:37.600 up embracing his job, you know, and really really understanding 159 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.759 what it took to be a good undertaker. 160 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.480 Now, what was the what was their roseboo marriage characterized 161 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.000 by was from everybody that knew from the kids? What 162 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.360 was it from all appearances? What was their marriage like? 163 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.840 Well, the marriage went through you know a series of 164 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.559 ups and downs, if you will. I mean started out strong, obviously, 165 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.279 they had four kids, you know, one basically one after another, 166 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:10.519 couple of years in between, maybe while he built up 167 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.320 the business, uh and I should say he built up 168 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:15.279 the business while he built up the house. I mean 169 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.720 they ended up taking a little house that Jan was 170 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.200 raised in and and and where she lived as a child, 171 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.039 and Mike and Jan built this into a just like 172 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.519 ah An estate. Really, Uh, they just kept adding on 173 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:32.799 and adding on and adding on to this thing until 174 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:36.159 it was like the shape of like an L shaped 175 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:40.519 you know sprawl, you know, and and you know the 176 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.840 marriage was you know loving from all indications. I mean, 177 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:49.000 all the relatives people friends that I spoke to, you know, said, 178 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.519 you know, Mike and Jan loved each other. I mean 179 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.960 they weren't arm in arm and you know, constantly embracing 180 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.159 all the time, but you know they did enjoy each 181 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.080 other's company when was a party or something. But then 182 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.279 you know, later on, and I start to talk to 183 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.639 some of their close friends, later on, it becomes apparent 184 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:16.000 that Mike is sort of a womanizer. He's sort of 185 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.919 a player. He's sort of a flirt. He likes to flirt, 186 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.279 you know, if there's a barbecue, if there's a party, 187 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.559 he always wants to be the bartender. He always wants 188 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.159 to be the one who's feeding the ladies the drinks 189 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.120 and laughing with them and joking with them. And this 190 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.279 becomes utterly apparent to lots of people that Mike is 191 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.600 perhaps you know, stepping out on Jan. And and then 192 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.639 he gets into the grits of the rumor gossip mill, 193 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.519 in tower and it starts churning and people start to talk. 194 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.679 You know, Mike's seeing here, Mike's seeing there, Mike's with 195 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:48.759 this one, Mike's. 196 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:49.000 With that one. 197 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:54.480 Okay, Now, how much does Jan know about his infidelities. 198 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.240 She told a couple of she told a couple of people, 199 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.279 you know, that she believed Mike was stepping out on her. 200 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:08.039 She caught him once. She you know, from the phone bill. 201 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:13.840 She caught him once going because Jan used to take 202 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.879 care of the phone bill. So his cell phone bill 203 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.519 or something came in and there's all these numbers on it, 204 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.120 and she approaches him. And someone in the family and 205 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.080 I didn't say who in the book, but someone in 206 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.159 the family. Jan was talking about it one day and 207 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.639 someone on Mike's side of the family says to her, look, 208 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.960 that's the Roseboro male way. You suck it up and 209 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.720 you move on. You know, you do your duty as 210 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.000 his wife and his mother and the mother of those kids, 211 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.519 and you suck it up because that's the Roseboro way. 212 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:44.080 That's what you do. And you know, Jan wasn't that type. 213 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:47.879 You know, she wasn't that type, although she did stay 214 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.200 in the marriage. I should say right. 215 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:57.159 Now, the Faithful Day is in July two thousand and eight. 216 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:01.919 But before that, I thought very interesting, Michael Roseboro decides, 217 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.600 and I guess along with the family, decides to construct 218 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:10.519 something in the backyard. What does he build sometime well 219 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.559 before July two thousand and eight for his wife and 220 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:15.480 himself and in their backyard. 221 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:24.519 Well, he builds this beautiful in ground pool with you know, 222 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:31.279 stellar landscaping and all the additions and anything you could imagine, 223 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.440 and tiki torch lamps that are not the kind of 224 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:39.440 buy at you know, the local grocery store. These are 225 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:42.279 ones that are implanted in the ground and fed by 226 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:46.799 natural gas. And there's there's stone and beautiful trees, and 227 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.720 there's this beautiful pool that's lit up at night. And 228 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:51.720 you know, I start to talk to the neighbors around 229 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:53.960 the house and they're telling me, you know, this place 230 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.639 was lit up every night and there was a party 231 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.960 out there, not necessarily a drinking but a party with 232 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:04.480 the family or someone every single night that summer after 233 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.799 that that that that edition was finished, and they would 234 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.559 they just really lived out there for that summer of 235 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:14.200 two thousand and eight, the first year that they had 236 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:18.960 to pool, and uh, you know it brought them together 237 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.960 in many ways, you know, the kids, Jan, Mike, and 238 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.279 and the one the one thing that everybody said that 239 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.799 I talked to which becomes significant later as you know 240 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.320 you read the book, is that that backyard was lit 241 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.679 up like a football field every single night, you know. 242 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:41.279 And I think what's significant to me is is, uh, 243 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.639 the testimony that I got from the fireman. There's a 244 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:49.759 firehouse like diagonally from their house, maybe two or three 245 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.200 hundred yards away from the house, and these firemen would say, 246 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:56.120 every time we went on a call, we would we 247 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.120 would take a look over there because we like to 248 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:01.480 look at Jin because she was a looker, and she'd 249 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.559 be in her bikini or whatever, and she'd be out 250 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.240 by the pool and they would remember this. This was 251 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.360 something they remembered because there'd always be lights on outside. 252 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:09.759 Right. 253 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:16.399 Yeah, it's very significant. Now what was happening in Michael 254 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:21.399 Roseborow's life at that time didn't have any financial problems. 255 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.000 It looks like that you said, you're making a fair 256 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.720 amount of money and it was a one man in operation. 257 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:29.600 But what is going on in Michael Roseborow's life unbeknownst 258 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.480 to his wife Jen and his family and maybe a 259 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:33.120 lot of his friends. 260 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.919 Even he's making a fortune. I mean, he's not making 261 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.000 a fair in mind, he's making a fortune. He's bringing 262 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:43.679 home you know, paper, I mean serious paper, and you know, 263 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.840 not much overhead for him, you know. So what happens is, 264 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.159 you know, he starts to get an eye for this 265 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.840 woman who lives across the street from the funeral home. 266 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.799 She starts walking by the funeral home, walking one of 267 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:03.799 her kids. They eye each other. He sees her at 268 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.600 a local town fair. They eye each other. He finds 269 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.240 out where she goes for coffee every morning up the street. 270 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.000 He starts going there. They bump into each other. They 271 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.320 start talking, and one thing leads to another, and next thing, 272 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:21.200 you know, you know, they're sharing what one hundred, one 273 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.600 hundred and fifty emails and texts a day, and Michael 274 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:30.120 Roseboro quickly, quickly becomes obsessed with this woman. 275 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:33.840 Now, you said that this woman lives right down the 276 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.000 street or across the street from the funeral home, and 277 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:37.000 the funeral home is. 278 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.360 Downtown Denver, Downtown Denver. 279 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.519 Now how does he go about? You say, there's emails? 280 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.159 So what first off, let's hear what is very quickly 281 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.799 the content of those emails. Is this a sexual relationship? 282 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.320 Is he upfront about his marriage? What does he have 283 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:58.480 to say about his marriage? What is the what's the 284 00:16:58.519 --> 00:16:59.679 tone of this relationship. 285 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:02.240 I mean, he really doesn't have to say that he's married, 286 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.799 because everybody in town knows that he's married. I mean, 287 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:08.720 he's Michael Roseboro. In fact, the woman, the woman who 288 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:12.079 he had this eye out for, had been eyeing him 289 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:17.400 before he even presented himself to her and asked her 290 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.400 out on a lunch date. I mean, she said, I've 291 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.640 been eyeing you for a long time. I mean, I 292 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.880 think you're attractive. She told one of her girlfriends, I'm 293 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:26.839 going to marry that guy someday. That's what she told 294 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.880 one of her girlfriends. And here she is married herself 295 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.720 with kids. She knew Michael Roseboro was married. He didn't 296 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.759 keep it a secret. They're in this small little town. 297 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.119 She was directly across the street from You know, when 298 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.119 I say down the street, I'm talking, you walk out 299 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:43.680 the back door of the funeral home and you look 300 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.119 to the right and boom, there's her house. In fact, 301 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:50.759 she lived right next door to Michael Roseborough's parents, who 302 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:54.319 ran the funeral home before him. So this is that 303 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:59.559 small of the town, and these emails become heated immediately, 304 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.720 you know, they the sexual energy between these two it 305 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.799 just is enormous and it starts building and building and 306 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.880 building until you know, he cannot take it anymore. He's 307 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.200 got to He's got to get her somewhere alone where 308 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.559 he can you know, he can make love to her 309 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.880 or have sex with her. And you know, I go 310 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:21.039 through the email and I go through the relationship. I 311 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.039 don't be labored in the book, but I go through 312 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:26.200 it in detail to show the build up, you know, 313 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:27.640 the build up to all of this. 314 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:30.799 Now you talked about they have to find a place 315 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:36.440 to to to provide and know where it's incredible. Where 316 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:41.359 do they decide, at least sometimes to have sexual relations. 317 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.400 Well, one time they had sexual relations right in the 318 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:46.799 funeral home where a while while he was preparing a body. 319 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:51.559 I mean, and and and the paragraph. I'll never forget 320 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.640 this paragraph. I think about it often in the book 321 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:59.359 that I wrote. And you know, I can only think 322 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.079 that the person who is at home grieving, right the 323 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.319 person at home who had hired Michael Roseborough to take 324 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:12.960 care of their dead son, dead daughter, whatever, they're at 325 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.880 home crying getting ready for this funeral. He is in 326 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:21.359 there banging his mistress who lives across the street. And 327 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.480 and you know, and this guy presented himself as this classy, 328 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.240 classy businessman, you know, so he's living this double life, 329 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:36.559 you know. But then they he Angie. His mistress is 330 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.920 in charge of cleaning apartments and preparing apartments for a 331 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.480 family apartment building, you know, almost an hour away. So 332 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.319 they start to rendezvew in that empty apartment, the any 333 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.200 empty apartment they can find after that, and then you know, 334 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.559 they even go to a monastery, parking lot of park 335 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:58.559 I mean, you know, anywhere they can basically inside the car, 336 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.119 the suv. It's it becomes an obsession for him. I mean, 337 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.000 he just has to have this woman all the time. 338 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.319 Now there is other talk besides just the sexual passion 339 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:12.240 that they have for each other, because he talks about 340 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.599 the relationship and how serious they believe the relationship is 341 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.880 so tell us I thought was fascinating as well. Mixed 342 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.200 in with a lot of sexual tension and energy, is 343 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:22.599 also this other conversation. 344 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.759 Yeah, and we're not talking you know, we're talking here, Dan, 345 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.440 We're talking about as you know, we're talking about a 346 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:33.759 period of like from May thirtieth to like, you know, 347 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.920 May sixteenth, May thirtieth to like middle of June. Okay, 348 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.119 we're talking about a couple of weeks there where he 349 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:43.839 starts talking about marriage already, she starts talking about marriage. 350 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:47.039 They both start emailing each other about we found the 351 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:49.279 love of our lives. We're going to get married. They 352 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.839 start planning in the wedding. He starts picking out gowns, 353 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.640 he starts picking out places to They're gonna get married 354 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.440 on the beach. All their kids are going to be there. 355 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.920 You know. They start talking about all of this, this 356 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:06.960 this life they're going to build together, and and and 357 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.960 he never once mentions this one anomaly in all of this. 358 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:13.440 There's one anomaly in all of this, at least for 359 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:16.960 him we're talking about. And that is what. That's his wife, 360 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.960 whom at the time he is what. He's going home 361 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:24.559 telling his wife, I'm taking you to North Carolina. We're 362 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:26.759 going to renew our wedding vows for our twenty fifth 363 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.720 wedding anniversary this coming summer. So he's playing both sides 364 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.880 of the coin. Now, you know, he's telling Angie, his mistress, 365 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:37.160 he loves he wants to marry. He's telling his wife, 366 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.400 I'm taking you and you know twenty of our friends 367 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:44.039 to North Carolina to the outer Banks to renew our vows. 368 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.359 So this is a narcissist. I mean, if you study 369 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.240 these things, and I've written twenty books about you know, 370 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:54.920 murders and and this type of murder is the classic 371 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:00.240 textbook case narcissist who believes a no one he's ever 372 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:04.319 gonna catch me. Be I'm smarter than everybody else. And see, 373 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:06.279 I can get out of this anytime I want to. 374 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:07.960 I'm Michael Roseborough. 375 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:13.160 Yeah, yeah, it's incredible. Now to add to this incredible 376 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:18.720 mix and this confluence and unsustainable non reality that this 377 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.480 guy's going through, all the delusions that he can maintain this, 378 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:29.640 what does his mistress tell him, inform him, which makes 379 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:34.799 a story going in a particularly different directions. Suddenly, well, yeah. 380 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.880 There's a there's a there's a big shocker here. I mean, 381 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:44.039 there's a surprise here. All of a sudden, she becomes pregnant. 382 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.880 The mistress becomes pregnant. The worst case scenario that could 383 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.680 happen for them happens. And you know I heard they 384 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:55.640 sorted to heard such varying stories about this, that she 385 00:22:55.640 --> 00:23:00.480 she trapped them, that she says the condom fell off. 386 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:04.519 I mean, there's all kinds of different stories about this. 387 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.000 So we don't know the facts because she wouldn't talk 388 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.759 to me. She had no trouble talking to CBS forty 389 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:13.160 eight hours going on camera and crying, but she would 390 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.279 not speak to me. But let me tell you, I 391 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:17.319 spoke to some people and her family, and I spoke 392 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:20.000 to some close people to her, and as you know 393 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:25.400 from that book, I got in deep with her life. 394 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:28.240 And also you know, there was a lot of documents 395 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:30.079 that were never released that I got my hands on. 396 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:38.200 So so she becomes pregnant, and you know, the pressure's on. 397 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.240 I mean, the pressure is on. He needs to you know, 398 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.599 everything's coming to a head here. He needs to do 399 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.000 something about the wife, you know, or she needs to 400 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.000 do something about the wife, one of the two of them, 401 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:54.440