WEBVTT 1 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.200 Hello, everybody, Welcome to Game Spot After Dark, Episode two 2 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:42.840 hundred and fifty three. I am back with Jake Decker 3 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.359 and kurtin Divina. But guess what, we're not in person. 4 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:50.679 We're remote now to his favorite way to record a podcast. 5 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.320 But you gotta do what you gotta do to make 6 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:55.000 the content. Jake, how you doing. 7 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.679 I'm doing good. I feel like I don't have anything 8 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.399 to talk about this week, so it's fun. 9 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:01.240 Don't worry about it. 10 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:04.519 I've played some games, but you know, I don't know. 11 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.599 Yeah, Kurt, what about you? You have anything to talk about? 12 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:12.519 I got I got a brand new Hid Object puzzle Adventure. 13 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:15.280 Oh last night? 14 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.519 Oh the audience is in for it? 15 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.599 I well, I mean either that or they all just. 16 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.719 Is it part of the and Walked Away? Is it 17 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:25.920 part of Spooky Mystery Collection five? 18 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.319 Or this one could be on there? It's it's from 19 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.040 it was put on Steam in twenty sixteen, but the 20 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.760 game is actually from two thousand and six, I think. 21 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.040 But it's a really good Spooky season one. And yeah, 22 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:44.079 for those of you who give a shit and have 23 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.200 listened to me talk about these games, I always talk 24 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.400 about True Fear for Sake Consules Part one. I'm still 25 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.959 waiting for part three to come out. According to the 26 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.560 dev's Facebook page, it's supposed to come out this month. 27 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.640 Don't think that's happening. They haven't had an update since 28 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.719 May anyways. But this one, Shivers Old Shiver, not to 29 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:05.239 be confused with four other games called Shiver uh is 30 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.000 it might be up there is my second favorite hidden 31 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:09.120 object game I've ever played. 32 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.879 Wow, but what makes another sweaty one? What makes it like? 33 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.120 What what makes a good hidden object game? And what 34 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.759 makes this one so good? This? This is content, babe, 35 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.360 We're getting into it now that now. 36 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.479 That I've so, I've I've played a lot of these 37 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.000 at this point. They're very easy to play. They are 38 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:32.120 casual games at their highest degree, intended for an older audience. Also, 39 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.199 by the way, there's a studio who makes these called 40 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:41.759 Grandma Studios. Just let they know exactly who you're who 41 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:42.800 they're making their games for. 42 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.199 That sounds like you made that up, because that would 43 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:46.719 be the studio. That would be what you would name 44 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:47.280 your studio. 45 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.319 Yeah no, mind, would just be old man studios. 46 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:52.919 It would be for your mom or whatever. 47 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.680 Yeah, this is oh yeah, I mean my whole philosophy 48 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:57.800 when we make videos a game spot. This is true 49 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.719 for the listeners, as I always say, can your mom 50 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.039 watch it? They don't have to like it, but can 51 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.240 they watch it and follow it? They don't even have 52 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.280 to understand it, just you know, can they watch it? 53 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:07.680 Yeah? 54 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:09.719 So I would love to make a studio called can 55 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:10.560 your mom play this? 56 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:12.120 That's good? 57 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.599 That's good, that's good, that's great, And then just make 58 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:19.479 the most like absurdly niche weird, like loot GRINDI. 59 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.400 Yeah, but you should make Mosco Elysium too. That's what 60 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.240 you should do. You might just hop on that train 61 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.560 and be like, I have no affiliation with Zoum, but 62 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.120 you know what I think I can make. That would 63 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:33.719 disco Elysium two. Guys, I think I can do it. 64 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:35.520 There are four studios. 65 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:39.560 Doing six Discolysium two in the works. And you click 66 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.000 in it's just a picture of Kurt with his pick 67 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:42.840 from his. 68 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.400 New from the new developer. Can your mom play it? 69 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.759 Guy who's never made game before says yeah, I could 70 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:49.520 do that. Yeah. 71 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:51.159 You know what all you have to do is open 72 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.159 your game with a black screen and just mumble a 73 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.120 bunch of shit into a microphone and say it's like 74 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.000 different personality traits, and there you go, that's what that 75 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.879 other studio is doing. It's just a bunch of your 76 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.159 curiosities like oh I felt a wind beneath my legs, 77 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.319 Like what was that? Did that come from within or 78 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:09.240 did it come from a window? And then that's when 79 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.199 reality speaks and it's like, nah, dude, you just shit yourself. 80 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.920 And that's when the scene opens up and you're like 81 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:23.040 a mom a sleep in bed on the floor. Discolsium 82 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.519 to you everyone. Anyways, what is your question? 83 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.360 What makes a good point for not playing click hidden 84 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:30.920 object game? 85 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:32.800 Okay, it's a good hidden object game. 86 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.199 So I've played, as I've played dozens of these at 87 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.480 this point, I've and something I've realized is every single 88 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.319 time I play a hidden object game that chooses to 89 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.439 be more than what it is. And what I mean 90 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:49.040 by that is usually I think the best case scenario 91 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.000 for a hidden object puzzle adventure is that there's some 92 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.279 hidden object parts and then there's some light, and then 93 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.680 there's some puzzle solving and there's some object finding, and 94 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:57.279 then it kind of works like a normal point click 95 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:02.040 adventure game. Anytime a hidden subject game tries to incorporate 96 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.360 too much narrative has special powers or other like mechanics. 97 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.680 On top of those mechanics, I don't give it. It 98 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.439 very quickly becomes like monotonous and defeats the purpose of 99 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:19.079 being a casual sort of like comforting experience. So I've 100 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.000 gone through a few recently where it's like it has 101 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.000 a story I'm playing. I played one where you like 102 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:27.879 you wake up in your Dracula and you're you found 103 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.600 out that you lose your powers, and you got to 104 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.360 team up with Van Helsing and you got to like 105 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:36.680 find your dad Dracula's dad, and you gotta you team 106 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:40.360 up with your with your who's the guy with the humpback, 107 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:49.160 who's like Frankenstein one of those so ego is hanging 108 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:51.439 out with you. And this one has like choose your 109 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.639 own adventure elements where you can like choose to suck 110 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.519 with someone's blood or not, and then doing so, you 111 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.959 get like more powers than he that help you with 112 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.160 other puzzles or has other elements of like you collect 113 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.519 shield pieces to unlock other things, and in paper, I'm like, oh, 114 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.920 that's cool, it's like doing more. And I very quickly, 115 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.560 like after an hour and a half, was like I 116 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:14.160 just want to fucking like dig under the ground and 117 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.399 find a key that makes no fucking sense and opens 118 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.240 a door which then leads to a tube that I 119 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.839 have to untie for no fucking reason. So anyways, that's 120 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.160 what makes a good In short, what makes a good 121 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.600 hidden puzzle adventure game is less mechanics. You find some 122 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:33.639 less mechanics you it's the core elements are adventure. Going 123 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:39.839 in environments, yeah, finding objects to unlocked doors or occasionally 124 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:41.959 click on a bookshelf and it's filled with like six 125 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:48.079 hundred fucking items of wrenches and teeth and buttons and uh, 126 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.600 flowers and butterflies that you have to siphing through and pick. 127 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.600 That's what makes a good one. But Shiver I think 128 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.600 it's called like something about I can't remember the name. 129 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:01.920 It's like shiver Tail of the Hitchhiker. That's not what 130 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:03.639 it's called, but it has to do with that. That's 131 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.120 a good one. That's a good one. It's spooky. It's 132 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.160 got some nice spooky elements to it. It's a good 133 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.519 game for people to play during spooky times and the 134 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:12.839 cloud Go ahead. 135 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.560 Are there any hidden object games that don't have a long, 136 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:17.839 weird subtitle that is very generic. 137 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:19.000 Oh absolutely not. 138 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:20.800 No. 139 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.560 My favorite is left in the Left in the Dark 140 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:28.399 no one on Board. Yeah, the best one because it 141 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.560 makes this like left in the dark, so you're left 142 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.240 in the dark, but there's no one on board. 143 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.199 Okay, d Like, I wouldn't they compete with each other 144 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:41.480 because if if you, if you read like Japanese light novels, 145 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.560 there's there's a whole thing where they compete with each 146 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:45.000 other to see who can just come up with like 147 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.600 the longest, stupidest name Jesus Christ. 148 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.759 What about like a dragon pirate yakuza in Hawaii. 149 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.160 That's great too. That's also they're they're getting in on that. 150 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.680 So yeah, I would like to see them all start 151 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:04.040 competing to just be like, we know, we have the dumbest, 152 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:05.000 longest name. 153 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:10.079 Play our game. It's not hard. There are some absurd ones. Actually, 154 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.360 maybe I should have. I could pull up my Steam 155 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.600 library now see, well, now I'm not gonna do that. 156 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.160 Another thing because as you're talking about it, when you 157 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.319 mentioned igor and stuff, my brain immediately went to, what 158 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.279 if you just made a hidden object game? But it 159 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:30.680 was like using the license of Young Frankenstein. The yeah, yeah, 160 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:32.679 like the mel Brooks movie, Like what if and then 161 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:38.120 I thought like about licensed, like licensed property is being 162 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.360 used but specifically for hidden object dudes. 163 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.759 This is when I first started playing these games. This 164 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.840 is when I had like this explosion of being like, 165 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.639 there is so much money left on the table because 166 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.039 this is such a generic I'm not gonna say easy, 167 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:57.120 but like to the point like game genre that you 168 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.000 can apply anything to it, anything to it. You like basketball, 169 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.200 here's the basketball had an object game like you like 170 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.440 you like, uh yeah, you're like young Frankenstein like here. 171 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.519 It's It's amazing to me how few companies. 172 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:13.639 Like saw There's basically they're these. 173 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.360 Games are basically getting away by making their version of 174 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.799 it and just not branding it as such. Like there's 175 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.440 so much left on the table. So anyway, So the 176 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:28.120 one I was playing was Dracula, Love Kills, Shiver, Vanishing, 177 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.559 Hitchhiker Collector's Edition. They all have. 178 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.840 Collect So I did have a Hitchhiker in it. 179 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:38.120 Yeah, it did. Halloween Stories, Horror Movies Collector's Edition. Recently, 180 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.000 I know the mystery case file ones have an absurd name. 181 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.200 Oh here's one Alchemy Mysteries prog Legends. 182 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.679 Wait sorry, repeat that one. 183 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:55.919 Alchemy Mysteries, Prague Legends, Prague Legends. 184 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.759 Yeah right, Oh, oh, Alchemy Okay, I thought you said 185 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:01.919 I thought you said Frog. 186 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.600 No, I heard Prog, but I didn't hear Alchemy. I 187 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:08.039 heard Alcatraz, and I was like, well, hold on those 188 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:09.320 what's going on there? 189 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.519 This one's a long one. Nine Clues The Secret of 190 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.279 Serpent Creek. It's not too bad, I guess, but there's 191 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.600 nine clues. And then there's the Ghost Files to Memory 192 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.399 of a Crime. Those games suck. Vampire Legends, the True 193 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.639 Story of Kiz. I don't know. 194 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:32.360 Are the majority of these spooky monster kind of themed 195 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.440 like they seem to, mostly because the two genres I 196 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.480 see the most is either like they're they're sort of 197 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:43.159 like Gothic romance horror themed, or they're Christmas themed. 198 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:44.799 There's a lot of Christmas. 199 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.679 The Christmas theme ones kind of have like a Hallmark original, 200 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:53.399 you know, movie kind of vibe to them. 201 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.080 Yeah, No, you're on point. 202 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:57.679 Is that it is that the only two. 203 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.360 There's a spooky element to all of them, I think, 204 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.120 but no Christmas. The Christmas ones are a big deal. 205 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.279 I haven't played any the Christmas ones because I got 206 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:07.759 away for the. 207 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.799 Season, right it's October right now. 208 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.240 Yeah, so I'm not gonna play any your Christmas hid 209 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:19.720 object shit, but uh yeah, I don't know. I just 210 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:21.840 they're just great. I don't know, I've I just got 211 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.279 off playing Sound Hill Too for like forty hours straight. 212 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:29.399 I'm I'm now a proclaimed expert. I feel like in 213 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:31.639 both the original and the remake, which is something I 214 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.759 never thought I would ever fucking say in my life. 215 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:38.759 But here we are, and I wanted something spooky but chill, 216 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.120 so here we are, and I'm just yeah, so shiver. 217 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:48.320 Vanishing Hitchhiker, which also plays like or has the same 218 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.559 structure as Sound on Hill Too. You start out in 219 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:53.000 like sort of like an apartment building, and then you 220 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.799 finish all those puzzles and spooky shit there, going into 221 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.240 a hospital and you do a bunch of spooky puzzles there, 222 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.000 there's a there's a trap what do you call it? 223 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.440 An escape room section? That's pretty good. 224 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.080 You could easily translate that franchise to hidden object. 225 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:12.080 Well, I think based. I mean Silent Hill two more 226 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.440 or less is a hidden object game. You just walk 227 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.120 around instead of clicks. 228 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:17.639 Right, But I'm saying if they wanted to just like, 229 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.799 you know, ye make money on the table exactly. 230 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.879 I mean, with all the Silent Hill projects they announced 231 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.000 last year right earlier this year, not surprised and. 232 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:30.240 It would actually make me care about one of them. 233 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:30.759 What was it? 234 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:31.080 That was it? 235 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.320 The call Silent Hill, the call or whatever that apparently 236 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:34.240 was just atrocious. 237 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:37.799 It was that like, oh, that was the U Twitch 238 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.000 like plays type one right? No, no, no, no no. 239 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.399 It was trying to go for like a pt sort 240 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.559 of vibe. But I think I think like Mark gave 241 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:46.799 it like a two or something O. 242 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.879 The one that's there, it's the message fucking forgot that 243 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:52.679 even happened. 244 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:55.320 I think that was get What the what's the Silent 245 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.200 Hill Twitch one that was like terrible? 246 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:02.279 That was around the exact same time, UH Twitch game? 247 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:08.000 The heck was it? I have no idea, Yeah it doesn't, 248 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:08.480 who cares. 249 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.600 It's completely forgot. The one that came out for like 250 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.600 PS five Auto where and you can play it right now. 251 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:16.919 I remember I was like, I'm gonna play that when 252 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.240 I get home, and then I think, because Mark writes 253 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.159 incredibly fast in but by the time I got home, 254 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:24.720 his reviews up and gave it a too, and I 255 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:25.000 was like. 256 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.039 All right, I'm not playing. He's like, he's like, it's free, 257 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:32.200 but like you're talking not free exactly exactly. 258 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.000 That was. That was like, oh, that was a weird 259 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.399 argument that people started bringing up about, like oh, it's 260 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.879 weird to review games now stuff like game Pass because 261 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.759 you know, reviews are supposed to inform your purchasing decision. 262 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.039 I was like, no, they're supposed to inform your decision 263 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.360 in which you use your time. It's like, I'm still 264 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.600 even if something's free, I'm not gonna I would like 265 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:51.840 to be informed on what it should be spending my 266 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:57.519 actual time. Absolutely like Shiver, Vanishing Hitchhiker exactly. 267 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.960 I did spend some of my time this weekend playing 268 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:00.919 Silent Hill too. 269 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:02.240 He I didn't too. 270 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:04.559 You didn't tell me that. Neither one of you told you. 271 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.399 Well. 272 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.159 I wanted to wait for the pod to share my opinion. Yeah. 273 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:10.919 I played it with my brother, which is, as I 274 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.320 mentioned on the last episode of the podcast, I was 275 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.000 gonna do that. And he is a huge, huge Silent 276 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.919 Hill fan, so he was coming in very skeptical of it, 277 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:24.600 and he actually he's like, you know what, eat my 278 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.080 words here. This is really fantastic. He's super impressed by it, 279 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:28.879 which is cool. 280 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:30.960 What does he think about the dialogue delivery? 281 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:32.480 He thinks it's really good. 282 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:36.600 He's like he's on one of those apologists where it's like, oh, no, 283 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.399 it's supposed to be it's supposed to be bad on purpose. 284 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.639 No, no, no, no. He was like, if he the 285 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.879 way he described it was it felt like it was 286 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:50.799 retaining the the spirit and intent of those conversations, but 287 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.600 the voice acting itself felt, you know, very well delivered. 288 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.840 He's like, the talent on display is really good. He yeah, 289 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.879 he has not had an issue they yet. The only 290 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.039 thing that he says he doesn't like is that they 291 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.759 didn't include the the intro cinematic that plays if you 292 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.399 like stick on the menu too long or it like flashes. 293 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:11.799 Because he was just. 294 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:14.639 Like, yes, super aggressive and. 295 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.159 Right right only because well, he was like, one, I 296 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.879 think that's the only spot where it plays, So it'd 297 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:21.600 be a shame if it never showed up. But maybe 298 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:25.480 it'll show up in another part of the game. Maybe 299 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:25.919 you would know. 300 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:27.039 But uh but. 301 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.879 Uh he was like, ah, that'd be kind of cool 302 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:31.600 if they recreated that. That would just be like kind 303 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.639 of silly and dumb. But I feel an actual an 304 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:39.080 actual complaint of Free Update. Yeah, there you go. But 305 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:43.120 uh yeah, he was really impressed, and I also, uh 306 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.799 am really really impressed. Uh. I mean, we talked about 307 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.759 it a lot last week. I think the thing I 308 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:51.320 want to kind of touch on that I haven't heard 309 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:52.320 as many people talk. 310 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:52.759 About is. 311 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.799 I think the combat in that game is genuinely terrifying 312 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:04.120 and spooky and like gave me multiple like jump scare moments. 313 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:09.279 Maybe I'm just bad, but I find myself actually like 314 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.360 teetering on the edge of death a lot playing the Apartments. 315 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:17.240 So it's good to hear you both say that, because 316 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.039 Mark Delaney said that to me. I, on the other hand, 317 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:21.559 did not have that experience. 318 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:22.480 Yeah, you're just too good. 319 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.840 I was just like bobbing and weaving and zipping through 320 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:27.279 things and getting to the point where I was like, 321 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.279 I don't even fight half these motherfuckers, which is why 322 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.039 for the first five hours I was like, I'm just 323 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.200 running through fights. But it gets to a point though, 324 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.440 where it does position you and you have to really 325 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:40.600 it feels like I was like, I could avoid this, 326 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.440 but I know I'd be risking myself to avoid it, 327 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.440 so I have to get in this fight. And that's 328 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:46.679 where it starts to get a little better. 329 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:51.080 Right, So in general combat way more. It demands more 330 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.279 of you versus the original combat, which is you know 331 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:55.960 the little bit I played a soil hill too. I 332 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.080 was like, this is easy. It's like you you really 333 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.080 don't have to do much with it. 334 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:00.200 It. 335 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.680 The the enemies that got me the most were the 336 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:11.079 like weird I don't know. The manes, Yes, the mannequin's 337 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.960 one got me because they do this fucking thing where 338 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.400 you'll see one and it runs away and then it 339 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.200 hides somewhere and it focks me up. There was one 340 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.240 where like I got like attacked by one and I 341 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.400 was like and then I like I saw it like 342 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.319 run into a room and then just stop and I 343 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.799 was like, you, motherfucker, I know you're waiting right behind 344 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.160 that wall, and I was it gets bad. 345 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.400 I've seen him like curl up behind beds, like I'll 346 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:41.200 see him running there. 347 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:42.920 I'll walk in where is it? 348 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.359 And then I turned the corner and it's oh. 349 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:46.960 I think. I think one of the best parts is 350 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.240 that it allows you to see it first, Like it's 351 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.400 designed in such a way that you're not taken off guard, 352 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.160 like you're you're looking for it, but it's just enough 353 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.880 of a window that you can see it and react. 354 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:01.079 And I think that's one of the best parts about it, 355 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:05.079 so that it deliberately makes sure you see it. It's good. 356 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.200 There's this one little section in the apartments, the woodside apartments. 357 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.319 It's right before you go to the the second apartments 358 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.720 where it turns into the other world, where they basically 359 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.599 put like five of them in a row in like 360 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.839 a series of rooms. And the first room I went 361 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.079 into like got attacked by one. It's like I got it, 362 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.480 second one attacks, third one comes out of nowhere and 363 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:31.960 just like fucking kills me. And then when I reloaded, 364 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.839 I like carefully was like looking around the corner, like 365 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:37.400 trying to figure it out, and I just see one 366 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.960 just like crouched underneath a little coffee table, and I 367 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.759 was like, you, motherfucker, I see you, I see you. 368 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.400 I got him And I was like, yes, great, And 369 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.759 then another one just like heme out of nowhere. Fucking GotY. 370 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:54.319 But it was It's terrifying. Is genuinely really unnerving. The 371 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.960 sound design is also sounds so good. 372 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.920 You My favorite, my favorite thing sound design is the 373 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.440 James Clears his throat all the time. So you'll just 374 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.680 be looking at a map and you'll hear James like, 375 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.160 and I fucking love it all detail. There's a human 376 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:16.480 quality of just hearing somebody just like all the time. 377 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:18.960 Really interesting to hear what you think there as somebody 378 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.000 who didn't play the original. 379 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:24.559 Well, just to mention something John Luke had said, are 380 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:26.920 you are you playing on PlayStation five or PC? 381 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:31.559 I picked PS five okay because I heard that the 382 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:36.119 PC version has the stutter struggle real bad damn it. 383 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.200 So I opted to because it's an unreal engine sharp game. 384 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.400 So I was like, I'll just go with PS five to. 385 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.480 Not because I'm sure you've noticed by now, like when 386 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.200 you get close to an enemy, the controller like has 387 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:49.440 that radio sound. 388 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:50.559 Most of the time. 389 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.400 Sometimes it doesn't do that sometimes and it doesn't like 390 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:55.279 kind of brilliant. 391 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:00.000 So yes, I love how the game breaks its own 392 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.680 rules to fuck with you, you know, like the the 393 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.039 moment where because like there there's some hallways where you're like, 394 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.880 oh my flashlight it can see this far and then 395 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.599 sometimes the flashlight doesn't work. Yeah, because you're isn't as 396 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.680 effective dark really dark. It's like and you're like, I 397 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.759 can't see shit with this flashlight. Fuck you game. Oh 398 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:24.480 my god. The the the reveal of Pyramidhead, the first 399 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.440 time you see Pyramidhead, that game genuinely terrifying. And as 400 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.400 someone who played up to that point in Silent Hill 401 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:34.960