Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're gonna start taking a look at
the Johanna Schoberg deposition that just dropped in the new
document ump. And while there's going to be a ton
of articles out talking about this stuff, this is the
actual meat and potatoes of it. And the most important
part is that we go through the document and see
what the document itself says for ourselves. So with that
in mind, let's dive in. Sigarett McCauley is asking the questions,
and obviously Johanna is answering. McCauley. All right, so we're
going to get started, and if you have any questions
about the deposition or you need to stop to take
a break, you can just let me know and we'll
take that break. So what I The only thing I
ask is if we're in the midst of a question,
you finished the answer before we take a break, show Burg. Sure, McCauley,
but I'll try to make sure that I take regular
breaks as well. You stated your name for the record,
Can you tell me your date of birth? She gives
her date of birth, McCauley. That makes you how old
skipped McCauley, okay, and where are you currently living? Skipped
once again, McCauley. And I'm going to show you what
I'm going to mark as the first two exhibits in
the matter, and I'm going to ask the court reporter
if I can mark those the refer to document was
marked by the court reporter for identification as Schoberg Exhibits
one and two. McCauley, okay. I'm going to show you
what I'm marking as exhibit one. It's going to be
the renotice of your videotape deposition, which is simply a
notice I'm going to show you. And then Exhibit two
is a subpoena that we served on you. So you're
here today pursuing to our notice of deposition and the
subpoena that we served on you. Are you familiar with
the subpoena? Have you seen the document before? Schoberg? Yes, McCauley, okay, great,
all right. Do you know a female by the name
of Glaine Maxwell Schoberg. Yes, McCauley. And when did you
first meet miss Maxwell Shoburg? Two thousand and one March
probably end of February, beginning of March McCauley. And how
did you meet her, Shoeburg. She approached me while I
was on campus at Palm Beach Atlantic College. McCauley, and
what happened after she approached you, Shoburg. She asked me
if I could tell her how to find someone that
would come and work out her house. She wanted to
know if there was like a bulletin board or something
that she could post that she was looking for someone
to hire. McCauley. And what did you discuss with her, Shoburg.
I told her where she could go to, you know,
put up a listing, and then she asked me if
I knew anyone that would be interested in working for McCauley.
Did she describe what the work was going to be Shoeburg.
She explained that she lived in Palm Beach and she
didn't want butlers because they're too stuffy, and so she
just liked to hire girls to work at the house,
answer phones, get drinks, do the job a butler would do. McCauley.
And did she tell you that she would pay you
for that kind of job? Schoberg. At the moment, no,
but later in the day, yes, McCauley. And what did
she say to you? Answer? There was another woman with her.
I don't recall her or what she looks like or
how old she was McCauley. And what happens next? Answer?
And then she asked me if I would be interested
in working for her, and she told me that she
was I could trust her, and that I could jump
in her car and go check out the house at
that moment if I wanted to, And so I said, sure,
let's do it, and went to her home with her. McCauley.
And where was that home? Answer in Palm Beach McCauley.
And did she describe that home as being her home? Answer?
She described it as being her home and alluded to
the fact that it was her and Jeffrey's home and
that she had homes all over the world. Yes, McCauley.
And what happened when you arrived at the home? Answer?
I believe she just showed me around. McCauley. Do you
recall meeting anybody at the home? Answer? I don't recall
if I met Jeffrey at that time or the next
time that I was there. McCauley. How did you meet Jeffrey?
Did Maxwell introduce you to Jeffrey? Answer yes, McCauley. What
do you recall of your first meeting with Jeffrey Answer?
I remember him being in a bathrobe. I recall talking
to him about how I was a major in psychology
and he had studied psychology, and so he spoke with
me about different topics. I remember thinking, this guy is
very smart. That was my first impression. McCauley. And when
you refer to Jeffrey, are you referring to Jeffrey Epstein?
Answer yes, McCauley. How did the meeting? You said, Maxwell
took you to the home. Do you remember how that
meeting ended? Answer? Well, she dropped me back off at campus. McCauley.
And did you to this, Johanna interrupts. She got my
number and I took her number, and then she called
me the next weekend to work. McCauley. So at that
point you started working for miss Maxwell? Answer at that time, yeah,
Now to this, Laura Meninger, one of the lawyers for
Glenn Maxwell objects objection leading Sorry McCauley. McCauley, did you
then start working for miss Maxwell after that first meet up? Answer?
She called me and I went over to the home
the next Sunday to work. McCauley, And what work can
you describe for me the first day at work? What
work you performed? Answer? Sure, I remember answering the phones
and taking messages. And at one point she asked me
to go pick up printer ink, and I took her
car to office depot to get ink. She asked me
to go buy some magazines, so I went to the
Palm Beach Delhi News and bought a few magazines. She
and I went. She wanted to take me shopping to
Worth Avenue, but it was a Sunday and Neiman Marcus
was closed, so we went back to like a little bookstore,
and I remember she bought I think five pairs of
reading glasses because she thought Jeffrey would like them. He
had them all over the house. On every table there
was reading glasses. That's about it. It was a pretty
simple day, McCauley. Were you paid for that day of work?
Answer yes, McCauley. And how much were you paid? Do
you remember? Answer? I don't remember how many hours I
was there. She paid me cash, McCauley, So Maxwell paid you?
Answer yes, McCauley. And then was she the one who
trained with you with respect to what you were supposed
to do during the day, directed you to like you said,
go to to this Johanna interrupts. I believe she was
the one that was kind of showing me around. McCauley.
And how long did you work in that position answering
phones and doing Johanna answers, just that one day, McCauley,
Just that one day. And did your duties change? Answer? Well,
the next time she called me, she asked me if
I wanted to come over and make one hundred dollars
an hour rubbing feet McCauley. And what did you think
of that? Offer? Answer? I thought it was fantastic McCauley.
And did you come over to the house for that purpose?
Answer yes, McCauley. And when you came over to the house,
was Maxwell present? Answer I don't recall, McCauley. And what
happened that second time you came to the house? Answer?
At that point, I met Emmy Taylor, and she took
me up to Jeffrey's bathroom and he was present, and
her and I both massage. Jeffrey. She was showing me
had a massage, and then she he took he got
off the table, she got on the table. She took
off her clothes, got on the table, and then he
was showing me moves that he liked. And then I
took my clothes off. They asked me to get on
the table so I could feel it. Then they both
massaged me. So it was more than a foot massage
at that point. Answer yeah, it was mostly like legs
and back McCauley. Was everybody in the room without clothes on? Answer?
When they were on the massage table, Yes, McCauley. Did
they When they got off the massage table to perform
the massage, did they dress or did? Answer? Yes McCauley,
they dressed. And do you recall who paid you for
that first day that you did the massage? Answer? I
don't recall, McCauley. Do you recall whether Maxwell was at
the house during that first day when you were doing
the massage with Emmy and Jeffrey Menager? To this objection,
asked An answered McCauley, you can answer, Johanna, I don't recall, McCauley.
Who did Emmy work for? Answer Golaine McCauley. Did Maxwell
ever refer to Emmy by any particular term? Answer? She
called her her slave. McCauley you said your job duties changed.
Did you start to travel as part of your job
with Jeffrey and Golaane? Answer? Yes. The next time they
called me, they asked me to go to New York. McCauley.
And did you do you recall when that was approximately? Answer?
That was the Easter of two thousand and one. McCauley.
And do you recall who was on the plane with
you for that trip? Menager objection leading and form. McCauley. Actually,
I'm going to stop really quickly, and I'm going to
ask for the next exhibit, please, Manager, this is three. McCauley. Yes,
I'm going to mark this as exhibit three for the
purpose of this deposition. McCauley, Johanna, I'm going to direct
you I flag some pages, but for the record, I'm
going to say what pages they are before I hand
you the exhibit. Answer sure, McCauley. These are Roberts zero
zero zero seven four eight and zero zero zero seven
five eight are the two pages right now. I may
refer you to the document itself is zero zero zero
seven two to one through seven eight nine. And these
are flight logs pulled from David Rodgers, one of the
pilots of Epstein and that have been produced in this case.
Manager Objection Foundation asking the witness any questions about this document?
The witness can I touch it? McCauley, Yes, you may, Manager,
I just have to say things every now and then.
The witness, okay, McCauley. So you mention that you traveled
to New York. If you turn to page flag page
which should be zero zero seven, four to eight at
the top of the document, you're going to see a
date of April two thousand and one. I'm just going
to ask you to go down to the if you
look at the line on the left to where it
says nine for the date, and look over where it
has the names. Do you see can you identify your
name on that list? Answer yes, McCauley. And can you
tell me, I know there are initials there. Who else,
to the extent you remember was on the plane with you?
Manager Objection Foundation Leading form of question McCauley, Johanna, do
you recall who was on the plane with you that day?
Manager Objection Foundation form leading The witness reading the document, McCauley,
you can answer, answer okay, J. E. Jeffrey Epstein, E. T. M. E.
Taylor VR. Virginia Roberts BK. I do not recall and myself,
Miss Meninger objection. The witness is reading the document. McCauley,
and do you recall where you flew when you went
to when you traveled that first time with Jeffrey Epstein.
Answer we left from Palm Beach and landed in Atlantic
City for a few hours because there was a storm
in New York, and then got back on the plane
a few hours later and landed in Teterborough. McCauley, and
you said that you recall landing in Atlantic City. Did
you go into Atlantic City? Answer yes, we went to
one of Trump's casinos. McCauley. Did you actually go into
the casino itself? Answer yes. McCauley. Do you recall Virginia
at the time, Virginia Roberts being present with you? Answer yes. McCauley,
do you recall if she went into the casino? Answer
she was underage. I did not know anything about how
old you had to be to gamble legally. I just
knew that she could not get in because of an
ID issue, so she and I did not gamble. McCauley,
in your opinion, did Virginia look young in your view?
Answer yes, McCauley. Did you ever did you at that
time wonder why she was traveling with Jeffrey? Answer? At
that time, I did not, McCauley. Did you later wonder that? Answer? Yes, McCauley.
And what was your impression? Manage your objection? Vague speculative
the witness I were just jumping ahead. Is that okay? Ms? McCauley, Yeah,
that's okay. Answer A few days later. I remember asking
her questions to try to figure out her role why
she was there, and she gave me vague answers and
was never specific, and so I thought perhaps she was
just an assistant, someone that did massage as well. I
wanted to believe that she was an innocent McCauley. Did
you ever refer to her as being orphan like? Answer?
I did, McCauley. And how did that come about? Answer? No,
I only to you. I said that to you. I
just saw her as perhaps someone who may not have
had a strong family, and they took her under their wing. McCauley. Now,
you mentioned remembering going to Atlantic City. Did you go
where did you go after Atlantic City? Answer? Once we
landed in New York Emmy and I went in a
car and drove around the city for half an hour
or so, just to see some of the city. McCauley.
And then where did you go after doing the sight seeing? Answer?
We went to the townhouse down e seventy first McCauley.
And can you describe that location for me? Answer? Sure,
between Madison and Park. I think the address might have
been ninety seventy first Street. McCauley. And who on that home?
Answer as far as I know, Epstein. McCauley. Can you
describe for me physically what and to this Johanna interjects palatial?
When you walk up, it looks like a normal door
to a townhouse. And you when you walk in, I
thought there were four floors. I heard there were seven floors.
I didn't see them all. McCauley. And do you recall who,
if anybody, was at Jeffrey's home when you arrived? Answer? Yes.
When I first woke in the door, it was just
myself and Glaine headed for the staircase and said told
me to come up to the living room. McCauley. And
what happened at that point when you came up to
the living room. Answer, I came up and saw Virginia, Jeffrey,
Prince Andrew Glaine in the room. McCauley, and did you
meet Prince Andrew at that time? Answer yes, McCauley. And
what happened next? Answer? At one point Glaine told me
to come upstairs and we went into a closet and
pulled out the puppet the caricature of Prince Andrew and
brought it down and there was a little tag on
the puppet that said Prince Andrew on it. And that's
when I knew who he was. McCauley and did what
did the puppet look like? Answer? It looked like him,
and she brought it down and presented it to him,
and that was a great joke because apparently it was
a production from a show on BBC, and they decided
to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and
Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on
Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they
put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put
his hand on my breast and they took a photo. McCauley,
do you remember who took the photo? Answer? I don't recall, McCauley,
did you ever see that photo after it was taken? Answer?
I did not, McCauley, and Miss Maxwell was present during
the Was Miss Maxwell present during that? Answer yes, McCauley.
What happened next? Answer The next thing I remember is
just being shown to which room I was going to
be staying in. McCauley. When you exited the room that
you were in where the picture was taken, do you
recall who remained in that room? Answer I don't, McCauley.
Do you recall seeing Virginia exit that room? Answer I don't.
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up part one there,
and in the next episode we'll pick up with part two.
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