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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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In this episode, we're gonna start taking a look at

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the Johanna Schoberg deposition that just dropped in the new

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document ump. And while there's going to be a ton

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of articles out talking about this stuff, this is the

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actual meat and potatoes of it. And the most important

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part is that we go through the document and see

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what the document itself says for ourselves. So with that

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in mind, let's dive in. Sigarett McCauley is asking the questions,

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and obviously Johanna is answering. McCauley. All right, so we're

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going to get started, and if you have any questions

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about the deposition or you need to stop to take

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a break, you can just let me know and we'll

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take that break. So what I The only thing I

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ask is if we're in the midst of a question,

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you finished the answer before we take a break, show Burg. Sure, McCauley,

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but I'll try to make sure that I take regular

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breaks as well. You stated your name for the record,

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Can you tell me your date of birth? She gives

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her date of birth, McCauley. That makes you how old

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skipped McCauley, okay, and where are you currently living? Skipped

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once again, McCauley. And I'm going to show you what

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I'm going to mark as the first two exhibits in

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the matter, and I'm going to ask the court reporter

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if I can mark those the refer to document was

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marked by the court reporter for identification as Schoberg Exhibits

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one and two. McCauley, okay. I'm going to show you

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what I'm marking as exhibit one. It's going to be

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the renotice of your videotape deposition, which is simply a

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notice I'm going to show you. And then Exhibit two

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is a subpoena that we served on you. So you're

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here today pursuing to our notice of deposition and the

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subpoena that we served on you. Are you familiar with

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the subpoena? Have you seen the document before? Schoberg? Yes, McCauley, okay, great,

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all right. Do you know a female by the name

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of Glaine Maxwell Schoberg. Yes, McCauley. And when did you

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first meet miss Maxwell Shoburg? Two thousand and one March

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probably end of February, beginning of March McCauley. And how

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did you meet her, Shoeburg. She approached me while I

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was on campus at Palm Beach Atlantic College. McCauley, and

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what happened after she approached you, Shoburg. She asked me

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if I could tell her how to find someone that

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would come and work out her house. She wanted to

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know if there was like a bulletin board or something

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that she could post that she was looking for someone

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to hire. McCauley. And what did you discuss with her, Shoburg.

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I told her where she could go to, you know,

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put up a listing, and then she asked me if

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I knew anyone that would be interested in working for McCauley.

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Did she describe what the work was going to be Shoeburg.

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She explained that she lived in Palm Beach and she

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didn't want butlers because they're too stuffy, and so she

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just liked to hire girls to work at the house,

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answer phones, get drinks, do the job a butler would do. McCauley.

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And did she tell you that she would pay you

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for that kind of job? Schoberg. At the moment, no,

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but later in the day, yes, McCauley. And what did

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she say to you? Answer? There was another woman with her.

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I don't recall her or what she looks like or

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how old she was McCauley. And what happens next? Answer?

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And then she asked me if I would be interested

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in working for her, and she told me that she

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was I could trust her, and that I could jump

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in her car and go check out the house at

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that moment if I wanted to, And so I said, sure,

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let's do it, and went to her home with her. McCauley.

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And where was that home? Answer in Palm Beach McCauley.

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And did she describe that home as being her home? Answer?

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She described it as being her home and alluded to

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the fact that it was her and Jeffrey's home and

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that she had homes all over the world. Yes, McCauley.

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And what happened when you arrived at the home? Answer?

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I believe she just showed me around. McCauley. Do you

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recall meeting anybody at the home? Answer? I don't recall

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if I met Jeffrey at that time or the next

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time that I was there. McCauley. How did you meet Jeffrey?

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Did Maxwell introduce you to Jeffrey? Answer yes, McCauley. What

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do you recall of your first meeting with Jeffrey Answer?

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I remember him being in a bathrobe. I recall talking

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to him about how I was a major in psychology

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and he had studied psychology, and so he spoke with

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me about different topics. I remember thinking, this guy is

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very smart. That was my first impression. McCauley. And when

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you refer to Jeffrey, are you referring to Jeffrey Epstein?

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Answer yes, McCauley. How did the meeting? You said, Maxwell

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took you to the home. Do you remember how that

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meeting ended? Answer? Well, she dropped me back off at campus. McCauley.

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And did you to this, Johanna interrupts. She got my

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number and I took her number, and then she called

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me the next weekend to work. McCauley. So at that

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point you started working for miss Maxwell? Answer at that time, yeah,

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Now to this, Laura Meninger, one of the lawyers for

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Glenn Maxwell objects objection leading Sorry McCauley. McCauley, did you

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then start working for miss Maxwell after that first meet up? Answer?

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She called me and I went over to the home

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the next Sunday to work. McCauley, And what work can

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you describe for me the first day at work? What

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work you performed? Answer? Sure, I remember answering the phones

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and taking messages. And at one point she asked me

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to go pick up printer ink, and I took her

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car to office depot to get ink. She asked me

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to go buy some magazines, so I went to the

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Palm Beach Delhi News and bought a few magazines. She

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and I went. She wanted to take me shopping to

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Worth Avenue, but it was a Sunday and Neiman Marcus

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was closed, so we went back to like a little bookstore,

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and I remember she bought I think five pairs of

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reading glasses because she thought Jeffrey would like them. He

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had them all over the house. On every table there

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was reading glasses. That's about it. It was a pretty

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simple day, McCauley. Were you paid for that day of work?

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Answer yes, McCauley. And how much were you paid? Do

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you remember? Answer? I don't remember how many hours I

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was there. She paid me cash, McCauley, So Maxwell paid you?

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Answer yes, McCauley. And then was she the one who

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trained with you with respect to what you were supposed

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to do during the day, directed you to like you said,

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go to to this Johanna interrupts. I believe she was

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the one that was kind of showing me around. McCauley.

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And how long did you work in that position answering

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phones and doing Johanna answers, just that one day, McCauley,

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Just that one day. And did your duties change? Answer? Well,

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the next time she called me, she asked me if

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I wanted to come over and make one hundred dollars

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an hour rubbing feet McCauley. And what did you think

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of that? Offer? Answer? I thought it was fantastic McCauley.

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And did you come over to the house for that purpose?

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Answer yes, McCauley. And when you came over to the house,

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was Maxwell present? Answer I don't recall, McCauley. And what

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happened that second time you came to the house? Answer?

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At that point, I met Emmy Taylor, and she took

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me up to Jeffrey's bathroom and he was present, and

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her and I both massage. Jeffrey. She was showing me

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had a massage, and then she he took he got

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off the table, she got on the table. She took

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off her clothes, got on the table, and then he

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was showing me moves that he liked. And then I

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took my clothes off. They asked me to get on

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the table so I could feel it. Then they both

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massaged me. So it was more than a foot massage

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at that point. Answer yeah, it was mostly like legs

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and back McCauley. Was everybody in the room without clothes on? Answer?

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When they were on the massage table, Yes, McCauley. Did

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they When they got off the massage table to perform

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the massage, did they dress or did? Answer? Yes McCauley,

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they dressed. And do you recall who paid you for

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that first day that you did the massage? Answer? I

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don't recall, McCauley. Do you recall whether Maxwell was at

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the house during that first day when you were doing

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the massage with Emmy and Jeffrey Menager? To this objection,

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asked An answered McCauley, you can answer, Johanna, I don't recall, McCauley.

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Who did Emmy work for? Answer Golaine McCauley. Did Maxwell

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ever refer to Emmy by any particular term? Answer? She

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called her her slave. McCauley you said your job duties changed.

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Did you start to travel as part of your job

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with Jeffrey and Golaane? Answer? Yes. The next time they

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called me, they asked me to go to New York. McCauley.

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And did you do you recall when that was approximately? Answer?

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That was the Easter of two thousand and one. McCauley.

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And do you recall who was on the plane with

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you for that trip? Menager objection leading and form. McCauley. Actually,

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I'm going to stop really quickly, and I'm going to

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ask for the next exhibit, please, Manager, this is three. McCauley. Yes,

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I'm going to mark this as exhibit three for the

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purpose of this deposition. McCauley, Johanna, I'm going to direct

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you I flag some pages, but for the record, I'm

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going to say what pages they are before I hand

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you the exhibit. Answer sure, McCauley. These are Roberts zero

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zero zero seven four eight and zero zero zero seven

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five eight are the two pages right now. I may

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refer you to the document itself is zero zero zero

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seven two to one through seven eight nine. And these

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are flight logs pulled from David Rodgers, one of the

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pilots of Epstein and that have been produced in this case.

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Manager Objection Foundation asking the witness any questions about this document?

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The witness can I touch it? McCauley, Yes, you may, Manager,

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I just have to say things every now and then.

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The witness, okay, McCauley. So you mention that you traveled

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to New York. If you turn to page flag page

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which should be zero zero seven, four to eight at

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the top of the document, you're going to see a

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date of April two thousand and one. I'm just going

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to ask you to go down to the if you

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look at the line on the left to where it

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says nine for the date, and look over where it

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has the names. Do you see can you identify your

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name on that list? Answer yes, McCauley. And can you

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tell me, I know there are initials there. Who else,

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to the extent you remember was on the plane with you?

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Manager Objection Foundation Leading form of question McCauley, Johanna, do

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you recall who was on the plane with you that day?

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Manager Objection Foundation form leading The witness reading the document, McCauley,

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you can answer, answer okay, J. E. Jeffrey Epstein, E. T. M. E.

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Taylor VR. Virginia Roberts BK. I do not recall and myself,

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Miss Meninger objection. The witness is reading the document. McCauley,

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and do you recall where you flew when you went

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to when you traveled that first time with Jeffrey Epstein.

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City for a few hours because there was a storm

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in New York, and then got back on the plane

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a few hours later and landed in Teterborough. McCauley, and

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you said that you recall landing in Atlantic City. Did

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you go into Atlantic City? Answer yes, we went to

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one of Trump's casinos. McCauley. Did you actually go into

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the casino itself? Answer yes. McCauley. Do you recall Virginia

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at the time, Virginia Roberts being present with you? Answer yes. McCauley,

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do you recall if she went into the casino? Answer

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she was underage. I did not know anything about how

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old you had to be to gamble legally. I just

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knew that she could not get in because of an

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ID issue, so she and I did not gamble. McCauley,

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in your opinion, did Virginia look young in your view?

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Answer yes, McCauley. Did you ever did you at that

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time wonder why she was traveling with Jeffrey? Answer? At

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that time, I did not, McCauley. Did you later wonder that? Answer? Yes, McCauley.

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And what was your impression? Manage your objection? Vague speculative

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the witness I were just jumping ahead. Is that okay? Ms? McCauley, Yeah,

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that's okay. Answer A few days later. I remember asking

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her questions to try to figure out her role why

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she was there, and she gave me vague answers and

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was never specific, and so I thought perhaps she was

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just an assistant, someone that did massage as well. I

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wanted to believe that she was an innocent McCauley. Did

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you ever refer to her as being orphan like? Answer?

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I did, McCauley. And how did that come about? Answer? No,

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I only to you. I said that to you. I

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just saw her as perhaps someone who may not have

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had a strong family, and they took her under their wing. McCauley. Now,

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you mentioned remembering going to Atlantic City. Did you go

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where did you go after Atlantic City? Answer? Once we

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landed in New York Emmy and I went in a

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car and drove around the city for half an hour

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or so, just to see some of the city. McCauley.

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And then where did you go after doing the sight seeing? Answer?

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We went to the townhouse down e seventy first McCauley.

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And can you describe that location for me? Answer? Sure,

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between Madison and Park. I think the address might have

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been ninety seventy first Street. McCauley. And who on that home?

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Answer as far as I know, Epstein. McCauley. Can you

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describe for me physically what and to this Johanna interjects palatial?

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When you walk up, it looks like a normal door

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to a townhouse. And you when you walk in, I

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thought there were four floors. I heard there were seven floors.

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I didn't see them all. McCauley. And do you recall who,

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if anybody, was at Jeffrey's home when you arrived? Answer? Yes.

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When I first woke in the door, it was just

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myself and Glaine headed for the staircase and said told

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me to come up to the living room. McCauley. And

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what happened at that point when you came up to

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the living room. Answer, I came up and saw Virginia, Jeffrey,

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Prince Andrew Glaine in the room. McCauley, and did you

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meet Prince Andrew at that time? Answer yes, McCauley. And

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what happened next? Answer? At one point Glaine told me

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to come upstairs and we went into a closet and

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pulled out the puppet the caricature of Prince Andrew and

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brought it down and there was a little tag on

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the puppet that said Prince Andrew on it. And that's

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when I knew who he was. McCauley and did what

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did the puppet look like? Answer? It looked like him,

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and she brought it down and presented it to him,

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and that was a great joke because apparently it was

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a production from a show on BBC, and they decided

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to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and

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Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on

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Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they

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put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put

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his hand on my breast and they took a photo. McCauley,

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do you remember who took the photo? Answer? I don't recall, McCauley,

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did you ever see that photo after it was taken? Answer?

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I did not, McCauley, and Miss Maxwell was present during

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the Was Miss Maxwell present during that? Answer yes, McCauley.

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What happened next? Answer The next thing I remember is

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just being shown to which room I was going to

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be staying in. McCauley. When you exited the room that

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you were in where the picture was taken, do you

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recall who remained in that room? Answer I don't, McCauley.

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Do you recall seeing Virginia exit that room? Answer I don't.

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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up part one there,

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and in the next episode we'll pick up with part two.

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