WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:05.679
<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Radio.

2
00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for my intro. I'm used to having

3
00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.160
<v Speaker 2>now with me on Saturday because i have my own show,

4
00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:16.440
<v Speaker 2>The Morgan Show, ten to midnight every Saturday here on WBZ.

5
00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:19.120
<v Speaker 2>But I'm here filling in for Dan. I filled in

6
00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.120
<v Speaker 2>last night, obviously, I'm filling in now and I'll be

7
00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:27.199
<v Speaker 2>here tomorrow and Polka dot December dates. I have seven

8
00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Dan Rays. I'll be filling in in December, primarily several

9
00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:41.039
<v Speaker 2>days before Christmas, Christmas, and several days after Christmas. I'll

10
00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:45.640
<v Speaker 2>give you this specific as we get closer. You heard

11
00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the news. You heard the story about people at the

12
00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Pine Street Inn. It is quite common this time of

13
00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:03.399
<v Speaker 2>year to have people that are depressed, they're homeless, they

14
00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.120
<v Speaker 2>don't get calls. I guarantee you I get at least

15
00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a dozen calls today, and they made about a dozen

16
00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:13.799
<v Speaker 2>more telling people in my world Happy Thanksgiving, and people

17
00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:19.200
<v Speaker 2>in my world telling me the same thing. That isn't

18
00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:24.040
<v Speaker 2>fair for so many people, that there's such a focus

19
00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:33.040
<v Speaker 2>on connection a friend, Happy Thanksgiving. I've got a doctor

20
00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:38.719
<v Speaker 2>here who deals with depression and issues related to depression,

21
00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and she's here to help all of us know more

22
00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:45.920
<v Speaker 2>about how to deal with people in our world who

23
00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.719
<v Speaker 2>are depressed. Doctor round the good deal. Thank you for

24
00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:50.200
<v Speaker 2>coming on BZ once again.

25
00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Hello, so glad to be back Lorgan and Happy Thanksgiving.

26
00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

27
00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I do think that, as you said, I mean, this

28
00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:06.439
<v Speaker 3>time of year is very mixed back for some people.

29
00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:11.120
<v Speaker 3>It does bring up a lot of issues. Depression, tiredness,

30
00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:13.719
<v Speaker 3>stresses a lot of issues that people deal with in

31
00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.879
<v Speaker 3>the holidays, and we can give them a little bit

32
00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.199
<v Speaker 3>of ideas of what might make things a little bit better.

33
00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.039
<v Speaker 3>By the way, one of the things you did which

34
00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.400
<v Speaker 3>also helps people is when you call someone and wish

35
00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.080
<v Speaker 3>them a happy Thanksgiving. Doing something for someone else actually

36
00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.520
<v Speaker 3>makes your a day better, not just what it does

37
00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.199
<v Speaker 3>for the other person. So that is a good thing

38
00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:37.039
<v Speaker 3>to do. Let's say someone doesn't feel like they want

39
00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:38.800
<v Speaker 3>to be home, they really don't want to deal with

40
00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:40.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, but even calling one person and

41
00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.599
<v Speaker 3>wishing them a happy Thanksgiving will actually do something for you.

42
00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.639
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that. Yeah, I do that every year

43
00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:54.520
<v Speaker 2>for every holiday. I do it for Mother's Day. Women

44
00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.080
<v Speaker 2>that I know in my world who are moms I

45
00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:03.879
<v Speaker 2>do that for Obviously, Smith's and Harnikuah. You know, I

46
00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:08.520
<v Speaker 2>just feel that the simple four seconds of a phone

47
00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:10.719
<v Speaker 2>call can mean something to somebody.

48
00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.159
<v Speaker 3>And particularly at this time of years. Sometimes this time

49
00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.360
<v Speaker 3>of year does bring up to people the loss losses

50
00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:20.520
<v Speaker 3>they've experienced, what they don't have. And I what I

51
00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.120
<v Speaker 3>want to say, I mean, you know, is that it's

52
00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.080
<v Speaker 3>very it's very high sometimes in this time of year

53
00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:30.960
<v Speaker 3>to have realistic expectations on ourselves. And so sometimes I

54
00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.039
<v Speaker 3>just say, give yourself a break, you know, if you

55
00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.680
<v Speaker 3>only can do want to do one thing out of five,

56
00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.280
<v Speaker 3>it's okay, right, it's all right. I'm guessing it's okay,

57
00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.680
<v Speaker 3>you know. You know, so I think that's a lot

58
00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.360
<v Speaker 3>of it is what we think we should do. We

59
00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.199
<v Speaker 3>have the primary thing everybody should think about. If we

60
00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.120
<v Speaker 3>don't take care of ourselves, then we can't do anything

61
00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:51.800
<v Speaker 3>for anybody.

62
00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And I'm guessing one of the things that causes depression

63
00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:05.479
<v Speaker 2>is not having enough money to celebrate the event, the

64
00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.719
<v Speaker 2>event of the day, to buy enough food. There are

65
00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.319
<v Speaker 2>some people who just couldn't buy enough food to have

66
00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:17.439
<v Speaker 2>a family dinner for Thanksgiving. There are some people listening

67
00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.800
<v Speaker 2>who will not be They've got a husband or a

68
00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:27.160
<v Speaker 2>wife and children. That's three gifts. If you have two

69
00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.560
<v Speaker 2>children and they don't have the extra money it takes

70
00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to buy a nice gift, they can buy a gift,

71
00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:39.279
<v Speaker 2>but they want to buy a nice gift. And you

72
00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:40.160
<v Speaker 2>see the commercial.

73
00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think you're right, and I think what.

74
00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.000
<v Speaker 3>There's a couple of things I'd say. I think all

75
00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.800
<v Speaker 3>of us remember this and know. In one of the

76
00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.720
<v Speaker 3>courses I teach in development, I have a lot of adults,

77
00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.439
<v Speaker 3>and one of the things I ask them always in

78
00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.279
<v Speaker 3>this question is when you go through your life, they're

79
00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.040
<v Speaker 3>all like over twenty five to like fifty five, sixty five,

80
00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.600
<v Speaker 3>I say, tell me the gifts that really meant a

81
00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.839
<v Speaker 3>lot to you, And almost all of them this is

82
00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.240
<v Speaker 3>still people listening who don't have money. Almost all of

83
00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:12.519
<v Speaker 3>them mentioned being with some person, not a physical gift, right,

84
00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.199
<v Speaker 3>that was the gift. So what I want to point

85
00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.079
<v Speaker 3>out to people is the thing that makes the most,

86
00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.360
<v Speaker 3>what merely means the most to most people, is being

87
00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:26.600
<v Speaker 3>with them, laughing with them, taking a walk with them,

88
00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:28.480
<v Speaker 3>playing a mind.

89
00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Game with them.

90
00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:33.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, it could be anything simple, you know, you

91
00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:37.560
<v Speaker 3>know sometimes you know it's just like I don't know today,

92
00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:39.759
<v Speaker 3>I was with my own granddaughter and all we did

93
00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.000
<v Speaker 3>was play Shoots and lives in between the getting ready

94
00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.920
<v Speaker 3>to Thanksgiving. But the thing is, I just want to

95
00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.680
<v Speaker 3>point out that it's simple things and people when they

96
00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.360
<v Speaker 3>go and if I want them to think back in

97
00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.399
<v Speaker 3>their life and think of the things that really meant

98
00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.240
<v Speaker 3>something to them, because sometimes we get so caught up

99
00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:56.680
<v Speaker 3>and we have to get the right gift and we

100
00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:58.480
<v Speaker 3>have to get this, and we have to get that.

101
00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.399
<v Speaker 3>When I asked them to remember something from their child

102
00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.800
<v Speaker 3>to this was amazing to me because we always think

103
00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.199
<v Speaker 3>when we have these kids seven nine times, they don't

104
00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.519
<v Speaker 3>even have many memories before it can for one thing,

105
00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.759
<v Speaker 3>and they definitely don't have to do with gifts. They

106
00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:15.920
<v Speaker 3>don't have to do with gifts.

107
00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's do an experiment right now. I want people

108
00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.480
<v Speaker 2>to think about the question doctor Gooddale just put to you,

109
00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.319
<v Speaker 2>call and talk about again. I'm going to break it

110
00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.920
<v Speaker 2>into two. A gift you received as a child any

111
00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:38.240
<v Speaker 2>age second, third, fourth grade, ninth, tenth, eleventh grade, just

112
00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:43.079
<v Speaker 2>say a child, a gift that you received, and as well,

113
00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:49.600
<v Speaker 2>a gift that you received as an adult.

114
00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.720
<v Speaker 3>And what meant what really meant something to you?

115
00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.319
<v Speaker 2>It packed a punch that you got that when you

116
00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.319
<v Speaker 2>open the box or the package is like, oh, you

117
00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:01.720
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have you gasp, you lose a breath. Call me,

118
00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.720
<v Speaker 2>call me tonight right now six one, seven, two, five, four,

119
00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.480
<v Speaker 2>ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten

120
00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.519
<v Speaker 2>thirty and share with thirty eight states. And that's the

121
00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:17.519
<v Speaker 2>other thing. Sharing, sharing the news about that gift, whether

122
00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:24.120
<v Speaker 2>it was a tennance bracelet or a ten cent candy

123
00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.160
<v Speaker 2>necklace that your your four or five year old kid

124
00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:32.439
<v Speaker 2>gave you share some of those momentous memories with doctor

125
00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Ronda Goodell and myself.

126
00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, please here on WBZ.

127
00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll let doctor Goodell talk more about depression. But let's

128
00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.120
<v Speaker 2>see if we can get people who are brave enough

129
00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:49.240
<v Speaker 2>to share here on night side time and temperature nine

130
00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.319
<v Speaker 2>fourteen forty two degrees.

131
00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World

132
00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.959
<v Speaker 1>Night Sike Studios on WBZ Newswaiting.

133
00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm Morgan Morgan White Junior, filling in for Dan Ray.

134
00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:06.199
<v Speaker 2>He's got tonight off, he had the last I think

135
00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.839
<v Speaker 2>he said the whole week off. I'll be here tomorrow

136
00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:14.120
<v Speaker 2>night and he should be returning on Monday, third of December.

137
00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.920
<v Speaker 2>No second of December will be Monday. I've got doctor

138
00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.959
<v Speaker 2>ron a good deal here. And a few minutes ago

139
00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.879
<v Speaker 2>she and I put a question to the audience. Can

140
00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you remember a gift that was given to you while

141
00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:36.720
<v Speaker 2>you were a kid? I'll target it second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,

142
00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.360
<v Speaker 2>eighth grade, somewhere in there, and as an adult, a

143
00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.519
<v Speaker 2>gift that really meant something to you. It could have

144
00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:48.399
<v Speaker 2>been from a parent, a loved one, a school teacher.

145
00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And Chris from Winthrop is the first

146
00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:57.519
<v Speaker 2>to call in. Hello Chris, Hello, Chra, Hi, how are

147
00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you happy? Thanks? Heving you?

148
00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:03.480
<v Speaker 4>Hey, thank you so much.

149
00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:03.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

150
00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.000
<v Speaker 4>I loved the program, and so yeah, I guess I'll

151
00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.799
<v Speaker 4>just talk about, you know, a couple of my favorite

152
00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:14.519
<v Speaker 4>gifts growing up one and uh yeah for sure and

153
00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.559
<v Speaker 4>and uh oh for me, it was a big family,

154
00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.159
<v Speaker 4>two brothers and two sisters, and so Christmases for us

155
00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.000
<v Speaker 4>were well, they were amazing. You know, I have wonderful parents.

156
00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.120
<v Speaker 4>And certainly I remember one of my favorite gifts was

157
00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.919
<v Speaker 4>a bicycle, I remember correctly. Yeah, it was like a

158
00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:40.200
<v Speaker 4>quick silver bikeycle. Yeah, you know, and and that was

159
00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:45.480
<v Speaker 4>just you know, one of my favorite memories growing up.

160
00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.840
<v Speaker 4>For sure is getting that bicycle for Christmas were you

161
00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.519
<v Speaker 4>looking forward to for a long time?

162
00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Was a surprise? How did that happen?

163
00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:55.240
<v Speaker 5>I would say.

164
00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Yes, because you know, a lot of the other neighbor

165
00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:01.720
<v Speaker 4>viewed kids, you know, had bikes new by and it

166
00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.519
<v Speaker 4>was just something that I wasn't sure if I would

167
00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.679
<v Speaker 4>be able to get it, you know, because my parents,

168
00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.279
<v Speaker 4>my dad made a good living, but you know, we

169
00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.759
<v Speaker 4>weren't wealthy by any stretch, and you know, having the

170
00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:17.840
<v Speaker 4>siblings that we had, but my parents always found a

171
00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:23.720
<v Speaker 4>way to provide us with great Christmases and birthdays and

172
00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.840
<v Speaker 4>things like that, so it was it was amazing. I

173
00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.000
<v Speaker 4>just remember, what.

174
00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Are some of the memories you have of the what

175
00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:34.600
<v Speaker 3>was great about them these holidays? What was what was

176
00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:35.519
<v Speaker 3>the things you remember?

177
00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:37.679
<v Speaker 5>Well?

178
00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.399
<v Speaker 4>I think one of the biggest things I remember is

179
00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.360
<v Speaker 4>my brother John and I like used to kind of

180
00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.039
<v Speaker 4>crawl down the hallway to try and seek it out

181
00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:49.240
<v Speaker 4>gifts that very literally in the morning, and it would creak,

182
00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.480
<v Speaker 4>and my parents she'd be like, get back to bed,

183
00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.159
<v Speaker 4>week to ship me up all night. My mom rathroom presidents,

184
00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.240
<v Speaker 4>and she would hear us trying to creep down the

185
00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.759
<v Speaker 4>hallway and and being excited as kids and never wanted

186
00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.399
<v Speaker 4>to go to sleep because you know, it was right around.

187
00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:08.960
<v Speaker 4>We still believed in Santa and so and then uh,

188
00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, they used to separate the gifts on the coach,

189
00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.320
<v Speaker 4>like I would be on the left side, my brother

190
00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:15.759
<v Speaker 4>would be on the right side, and it's just the

191
00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.399
<v Speaker 4>father will be on the chair and it would be

192
00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.000
<v Speaker 4>like just an amazing morning of the presents that were

193
00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.480
<v Speaker 4>wrapped and unwrapped. It was unbelievable.

194
00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:26.279
<v Speaker 6>You know.

195
00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.480
<v Speaker 3>It sounds like the presence were great in the sharing

196
00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:31.960
<v Speaker 3>of it and the anticipation and all of it.

197
00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:38.840
<v Speaker 4>That's so true. Absolutely, yep, yep. We you know, lived

198
00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:40.960
<v Speaker 4>in the same place for twenty five years and that

199
00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:44.120
<v Speaker 4>was really special for us to to you know, always

200
00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.320
<v Speaker 4>be in the same home as kids and not having

201
00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.000
<v Speaker 4>to really move around and growing up with all urniahblehood

202
00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:53.639
<v Speaker 4>friends and that meant a lot for me. That'smorrowing up

203
00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:54.639
<v Speaker 4>for sure, all.

204
00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Right, Chris. The other part, christ the other part of

205
00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.240
<v Speaker 2>the question was as an adult, is there a gift

206
00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.399
<v Speaker 2>you can look back upon and say that was a

207
00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:05.440
<v Speaker 2>wow gift?

208
00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:13.240
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? Absolutely. I was probably I was maybe thirty years old,

209
00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.720
<v Speaker 4>and I believe it was a birthday present. My mother

210
00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:23.200
<v Speaker 4>had got me a bosewave radio with a six CD

211
00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:28.240
<v Speaker 4>changer and that was the I still have it actually

212
00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:32.159
<v Speaker 4>to this day, twenty deep plus years later. It still

213
00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:36.679
<v Speaker 4>works great. And I couldn't believe the present I knew

214
00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:41.120
<v Speaker 4>I was. It was expensive back then to get a

215
00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:44.399
<v Speaker 4>boswave radio, you know, with the four speakers and the

216
00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:48.679
<v Speaker 4>sixth dis CD changer. Because I've always loved music growing

217
00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.600
<v Speaker 4>up a lot of concerts, and that was an amazing present,

218
00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know, it was such a special memory for sure.

219
00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.600
<v Speaker 3>That's great, especially that you got it for me mom.

220
00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:02.320
<v Speaker 3>That's great.

221
00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Chris.

222
00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, thank you so much. I appreciate it, and.

223
00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.159
<v Speaker 2>I want this holiday season for you to be the

224
00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:11.159
<v Speaker 2>best you've ever had.

225
00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, please have a great holiday. Oh.

226
00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.399
<v Speaker 4>I certainly will appreciate it. Going to California in a

227
00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.960
<v Speaker 4>couple of weeks and here you go, be back in time. Yeah,

228
00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.000
<v Speaker 4>and my daughter and my grandkids and my family. So

229
00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.639
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you all too, and have a great holiday season.

230
00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:28.879
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much, Chris.

231
00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for your call.

232
00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.879
<v Speaker 2>And doctor, I've got an answer for each.

233
00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

234
00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I was raised by my mother and grandmother, and we

235
00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.039
<v Speaker 2>were not rich by any stretch of the imagination to

236
00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:55.399
<v Speaker 2>steal Chris's quote. But we weren't poor, and the stores

237
00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:00.519
<v Speaker 2>gave away stamps, the grocery stores and some other stores

238
00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:07.200
<v Speaker 2>SNH Green Stamps, plaid stamps, et cetera. So we always saved.

239
00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.919
<v Speaker 2>And that's how I got my bike. I was in

240
00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the side and the bike came from sn H Green Stamps,

241
00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:25.240
<v Speaker 2>and they had a redemption store in Cambridge. I went

242
00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:29.799
<v Speaker 2>with them. Now you think they're going to bring out

243
00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.720
<v Speaker 2>a bike for you, they brought brought out a huge

244
00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:39.240
<v Speaker 2>box that barely fit, barely fit in the car, and

245
00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.399
<v Speaker 2>we had to take it someplace to be assembled. They said,

246
00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.720
<v Speaker 2>they suggested the place to take it, and they said

247
00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.399
<v Speaker 2>it might cost you a couple of bucks, which it did.

248
00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:54.639
<v Speaker 2>But I had this brand new Murray brand name Mike

249
00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Schwinn Red bicycle, and all my friends had bikes, and

250
00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I would stay at my best friend's house until around

251
00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.159
<v Speaker 2>five point thirty when my mother would get off work

252
00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.799
<v Speaker 2>and pick me up. So they all rode bikes, and

253
00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.279
<v Speaker 2>there was an extra bike that didn't have brakes that

254
00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.919
<v Speaker 2>I was allowed to ride around on. Now no breaks,

255
00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:26.279
<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't go fast, and it was not the

256
00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:30.440
<v Speaker 2>best bike in the world, So now here I am

257
00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and I could keep my bike at Winston's house. That

258
00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:37.399
<v Speaker 2>was my friend's name, and they are about three or

259
00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.639
<v Speaker 2>four or five of us, and we would ride all

260
00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.879
<v Speaker 2>over the South End, up and down Saint Ptol's Street,

261
00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:51.799
<v Speaker 2>down mass around the Christian Science Complex. And that is probably,

262
00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.159
<v Speaker 2>as a kid, the best gift I ever got.

263
00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

264
00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And as an adult, I was married on Saturday, it

265
00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:09.039
<v Speaker 2>was Valentine's Day. I'm watching sitting on the floor in

266
00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:14.799
<v Speaker 2>my bedroom watching college basketball, and I hear my wife

267
00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:20.320
<v Speaker 2>come in and I heard a noise that didn't make

268
00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:24.559
<v Speaker 2>any sense to me. It's like clicking down the hallway.

269
00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.679
<v Speaker 2>There's a about eight nine feet of a hallway from

270
00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the front door to the bedroom. And in came this puppy,

271
00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.399
<v Speaker 2>a German shepherd puppy, a ball of fur, and he

272
00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:45.559
<v Speaker 2>came right up to me and started to nustle me

273
00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:52.759
<v Speaker 2>and jump on me. And I named him hack hjck,

274
00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:57.639
<v Speaker 2>which is a basketball term for somebody who fowls a lot.

275
00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:04.039
<v Speaker 2>And I used to have that nickname playing basketball. And

276
00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.000
<v Speaker 2>she said, you know, I didn't know if I should

277
00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.039
<v Speaker 2>get him or his sister, And I said, well, why

278
00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't you get them both? She said, you can't handle both.

279
00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'll buy a book on training, which I did.

280
00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.200
<v Speaker 2>She went back to where she got Hack and brought

281
00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:32.240
<v Speaker 2>back his sister, Honey. And that's the best gift as

282
00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.519
<v Speaker 2>an adult. I ever got Hack and Honey, and they

283
00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.400
<v Speaker 2>were my babies, and I trained them. I bought a

284
00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:44.960
<v Speaker 2>book on training German shepherds and a videotape on how

285
00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:49.359
<v Speaker 2>to train German shepherds. I trained them both on verbal

286
00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:54.759
<v Speaker 2>commands and hand commands, and they were well behaved dogs.

287
00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.039
<v Speaker 2>We lived in the city and I could walk with

288
00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:01.480
<v Speaker 2>them without fear of them being destroyed by people, of

289
00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:09.599
<v Speaker 2>pigeons or squirrels. And they were my children. So there,

290
00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I've answered your question.

291
00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.240
<v Speaker 3>You know what, I think it's great, and I think

292
00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:17.200
<v Speaker 3>you know it's listening to you the association of who

293
00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:19.680
<v Speaker 3>gave it to you and what you did with it,

294
00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.559
<v Speaker 3>and how long it is, how the type of meaning

295
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.720
<v Speaker 3>it adds to you long before that long long more

296
00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:27.799
<v Speaker 3>than that one day. Just like the bicycle for that kid,

297
00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.319
<v Speaker 3>it gave them a lot of experiences.

298
00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, you brought me back, But I'm on the

299
00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.759
<v Speaker 2>radio and I got to focus, like for an example,

300
00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.119
<v Speaker 2>in about a minute after take a break. So when

301
00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.920
<v Speaker 2>we come back and want you to focus on giving

302
00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:49.119
<v Speaker 2>people clues. So heads up, how we can recognize that

303
00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:56.000
<v Speaker 2>our friend, our family member may be in depression denial

304
00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.680
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people, How are you doing today? Oh,

305
00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:02.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm fine, don't worry about me. That's a standard answer.

306
00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.720
<v Speaker 2>That's a deflecting answer. How do we dig under that deflection?

307
00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we can talk about that. Yeah, right, definitely, And.

308
00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.240
<v Speaker 2>If anybody wants to call in, you want to call

309
00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:15.799
<v Speaker 2>in and share memory, but a gift you received or

310
00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:17.880
<v Speaker 2>something that's.

311
00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Definite, even telling us how you yourself have dealt with

312
00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.599
<v Speaker 3>if you've had depression, So how you've dealt with the holidays?

313
00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Please share?

314
00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Six one, seven, five, four, ten thirty eight eight eight, nine, two, nine,

315
00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:32.680
<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. I am Morgan. My guest is doctor doctor

316
00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Rhonda Gooddal, and she's here to help. I've used sir

317
00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.039
<v Speaker 2>in many circumstances, just to help ease our minds. Time

318
00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:46.759
<v Speaker 2>and temperature on night Side nine thirty forty two degrees.

319
00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:52.799
<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Boston's News Radio.

320
00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, I am speaking. Well, let me back up

321
00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.039
<v Speaker 2>a second. Let me tell you who I am. Some

322
00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.279
<v Speaker 2>of you are used to hearing Dan Ray in this

323
00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:04.440
<v Speaker 2>time slot. He's on vacation this week. My name is

324
00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.559
<v Speaker 2>Morgan Morgan White Junior. I have been filling in for

325
00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.559
<v Speaker 2>the past day and a half yesterday today, and I'll

326
00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.720
<v Speaker 2>be here tomorrow filling in for Dan Ray on night side.

327
00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>My guest doctor Ronda good Dale. She's here and I

328
00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.279
<v Speaker 2>always bring around when there are subjects that a licensed

329
00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:32.839
<v Speaker 2>psychologist can help my listeners handle whatever circumstance. And the

330
00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.880
<v Speaker 2>holidays bear some bitter fruit. A lot of people get

331
00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.559
<v Speaker 2>depressed for variety of reasons, and that's why I have

332
00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the doctor here and I've got a call. Let's see

333
00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.279
<v Speaker 2>what Joe in Belmont wants to say. So Joe, welcome

334
00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:48.680
<v Speaker 2>upon you.

335
00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:53.400
<v Speaker 5>Ye Hi, Hi Morgan, and Hi doctor Ronda. I'd like

336
00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:57.880
<v Speaker 5>to offer two cures that helped me with being down

337
00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:04.799
<v Speaker 5>and depressed. Okay. For first, You're got to get yourself

338
00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.839
<v Speaker 5>out of the house. And what I do is I

339
00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:10.799
<v Speaker 5>go to a Burger King, a McDonald's or a Wendy's

340
00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.240
<v Speaker 5>or a Duncan Donuts or any coffee shop in the

341
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.880
<v Speaker 5>center or town, and I have conversations with people. Some

342
00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.160
<v Speaker 5>people will ignore you but that's the price you have

343
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.839
<v Speaker 5>to pay. You know, they don't want to talk, but

344
00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.039
<v Speaker 5>that'll help you in depression. And a lot of times

345
00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:34.799
<v Speaker 5>I when I walk around the a reservoir in my neighborhood,

346
00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:40.000
<v Speaker 5>I say hi to people. And would you believe that

347
00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:43.079
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people thank me for saying hi to them?

348
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:44.920
<v Speaker 5>That's how bad off they are.

349
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I believe that. I believe that, as.

350
00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.839
<v Speaker 3>I said earlier, just a little greeting to someone can

351
00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.119
<v Speaker 3>mean a tremendous difference of people just acknowledging you're here.

352
00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.200
<v Speaker 5>Yes, So what do you think of my going to

353
00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:01.400
<v Speaker 5>coffee shops and stuff like that to fight depression?

354
00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Great? And it helps the house.

355
00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:08.799
<v Speaker 5>I forced myself to get out. You can't be isolated.

356
00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.559
<v Speaker 3>And it's so great what you're saying here, because I mean,

357
00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:17.640
<v Speaker 3>it shows people listening that it's small things they're getting out,

358
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.240
<v Speaker 3>saying hello to this own person. They can change things.

359
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.839
<v Speaker 3>And it changes in two things that you're doing something

360
00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.240
<v Speaker 3>to take care of yourself, you're walking, you're getting out,

361
00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:28.079
<v Speaker 3>and the other thing, you're doing something for someone else

362
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:29.279
<v Speaker 3>and making their day better.

363
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:36.039
<v Speaker 5>Happy Thanksgiving guys, Happy Thanksgiving to you, and happy holiday.

364
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Take care. Write back at ya, thank you. All right,

365
00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.839
<v Speaker 2>So doctor, what that pair of suggestions about just greeting.

366
00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.480
<v Speaker 3>People don't have a very good idea.

367
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Intimidate people, because some people are intimidated if a stranger

368
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.400
<v Speaker 2>speaks to them. But just a simple hello, greeting and

369
00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:59.160
<v Speaker 2>getting out the house, that's part of it.

370
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, yep. I mean you said a couple I want

371
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:04.559
<v Speaker 3>to say a couple of things. I mean in one

372
00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:06.200
<v Speaker 3>of the things he's saying, which is really too it

373
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.119
<v Speaker 3>can be very small things that can make us feel better.

374
00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.079
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't have to be huge things. It can be

375
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.039
<v Speaker 3>looking at a window of decorations, it can be just

376
00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.640
<v Speaker 3>calling a friend, I mean, and the major thing in

377
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.160
<v Speaker 3>the holidays, because people get so overwhelmed with the gifts

378
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.440
<v Speaker 3>and the work, just do a little do you know,

379
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:25.920
<v Speaker 3>do one thing. It doesn't have to be a lot

380
00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:29.759
<v Speaker 3>of things. One thing, because you know, it's like with anybody,

381
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:31.519
<v Speaker 3>like they need to clean the house, they say, oh

382
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:33.920
<v Speaker 3>it's overwhelming. Do one thing. Say I'm going to spend

383
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.279
<v Speaker 3>five minutes and give away one thing. Do one thing.

384
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take five minutes and call someone and

385
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.400
<v Speaker 3>then I'm going to relax. So it's one little thing

386
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.960
<v Speaker 3>at a time. It's not like overwhelming stuff and people

387
00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 3>should you know, whether it's a walk going out and

388
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:53.680
<v Speaker 3>just being happy for that moment you're alive that you're

389
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.440
<v Speaker 3>able to be able to walk. I think those you

390
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.960
<v Speaker 3>know are very important. The other thing that you said,

391
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.160
<v Speaker 3>which I think is important for people to know. We

392
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.079
<v Speaker 3>said before the break. If you see people all of

393
00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:08.480
<v Speaker 3>a sudden that you know well of losing interest in things,

394
00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:12.559
<v Speaker 3>and they have seen to be persistently sad or they're

395
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 3>not they're reporting they don't sleep well, and they don't

396
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.119
<v Speaker 3>seem to be eating much, and they have a lack

397
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 3>of concentration, it says they may be in a depression.

398
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.599
<v Speaker 3>They may be in a depression, and you know, you

399
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 3>want them to basically make sure that those individuals are

400
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:37.079
<v Speaker 3>getting some help, you know, because and one of the

401
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:38.720
<v Speaker 3>things that I always say to people, the things that

402
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.240
<v Speaker 3>I was saying, you break lage tasks into small set

403
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:43.839
<v Speaker 3>realistic goals to yourself. Try to be with other people,

404
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 3>just like you were saying, at least for a little

405
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:49.400
<v Speaker 3>maybe confide in one person, right, not a lot of people.

406
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:52.079
<v Speaker 3>Do you think of anything that makes you feel better,

407
00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:55.640
<v Speaker 3>whatever that is, do it for five minutes. I don't

408
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:59.000
<v Speaker 3>care if it's taking a shower. You know, find something

409
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.960
<v Speaker 3>that makes you feel better. And by the way, exercise

410
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.039
<v Speaker 3>does tend to make people. Actually, I know a lot

411
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.680
<v Speaker 3>of people don't do that. The regular exercise, whether it's

412
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.079
<v Speaker 3>just walking, really makes a difference in people's lives. And

413
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 3>the last thing I want to say, don't think that

414
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 3>your move's going to get better right away. I'm going

415
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 3>to feel great. It's a slow process. It's a slow process.

416
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>But when you look back, Let's say you began taking

417
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:31.680
<v Speaker 2>walks the third week of October. Here we are the

418
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>last week of November. When you look back, you'll see

419
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:42.559
<v Speaker 2>how well your body responded to that consistent exercise of

420
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:46.680
<v Speaker 2>walking exactly in the middle of doing it, you necessarily

421
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Speaker 2>won't recognize.

422
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.799
<v Speaker 3>That right, and it's very gradual begin to feel better.

423
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.400
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I also think, I mean, there's also

424
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 3>something called the gratitude thing, thinking of one thing. You're

425
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>grateful for one thing, even no matter how many bad

426
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 3>things are happening here, what's one thing I'm grateful for?

427
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:10.720
<v Speaker 3>I always ask people, give me one thing that makes

428
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:12.480
<v Speaker 3>you feel good or that you're grateful for.

429
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to turn this around on you doctor Gooddale,

430
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 2>what's one day you are grateful for?

431
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh, Like, for me, I am so grateful that I

432
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 3>wake up every day and then I can have another day.

433
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 3>I mean, honestly, I think very early on, when I

434
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 3>was about eight years old, I always say people I

435
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 3>had a uncle I was very close to and I

436
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 3>lost very suddenly. Yes, and I thought, and even though

437
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I was only eight, I still remember thinking, it's really

438
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.240
<v Speaker 3>important to do what I want to do with those

439
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:50.359
<v Speaker 3>persons because you never know what the next day is

440
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 3>going to be, whether you're going to be here or

441
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.599
<v Speaker 3>they're going to be there. Right, So I think I'm

442
00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.279
<v Speaker 3>very grateful every day that I can do something. You know,

443
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 3>I can shear something, I can do one thing, I

444
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 3>can see the sun. I'm just very grateful. I'd say

445
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 3>that's what really for me is a very persistent thing,

446
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 3>and it keeps me optimistic no matter what's going on.

447
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't mean that I don't get upset about things

448
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.839
<v Speaker 3>or anything else like everybody else, but I do find

449
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that when people ask me why I am so optimistic,

450
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:21.559
<v Speaker 3>it's because I do feel that way. I really have

451
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 3>a sense of gratitude about the fact that I'm here and.

452
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to answer the question, and it's a very

453
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:35.079
<v Speaker 2>simple response. On my part, I am grateful that I

454
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>have the mind and memory that I've been blessed with.

455
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I can remember the most finite detail, you know, Pickier

456
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>say to me eight years old, ten years old, fifteen

457
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.960
<v Speaker 2>years old, and I can remember as if it's written

458
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:55.960
<v Speaker 2>down on a piece of paper in front of me.

459
00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Issues wow, that were pertinent to me at that specific time,

460
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And I am so thankful for it. The ability to

461
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>recount circumstances, whether they were huge circumstances or the first

462
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>time that I went to the Music Hall theater just

463
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>to pick something weird. It was a Christmas and I

464
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:31.599
<v Speaker 2>saw Disney's Sword in the Stone and my grandmother took

465
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>me and that was the first time I stepped foot

466
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>in that theater. And I've been in that theater many

467
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 2>a time since. And that's just like a rolodex in

468
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 2>my brain that I can just flip my fingers and

469
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>stop on ABCDEFG, whatever, and tell you about that specific

470
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>moment in my life. Now. A lot of people can't

471
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 2>do that. Thankful I can.

472
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 3>And it's wonderful about guys. It makes you remember things

473
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 3>that other people forget.

474
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I remember the weirdest things. And for a while

475
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>you base it on school, because it's one hundred and

476
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 2>eighty days that you spent in a regular environment first grade,

477
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 2>second grade, third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade, the teachers

478
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 2>you had, where you sat, what subjects did you respond

479
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>strongly to or weekly to? And I'm able to put

480
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:46.119
<v Speaker 2>my finger on the specifics of that because I haven't

481
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>destroyed a lot of my brain cells like friends and

482
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>colleagues have with alcohol and drugs and whatever have you,

483
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 2>and whatever power I'm supposed to have at my a,

484
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I do and I haven't done anything to diminish my

485
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:11.359
<v Speaker 2>ability to recall. So that's what I'm thankful for.

486
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>That's great. And I know and I know in these holidays,

487
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, when things come in, people do forget things

488
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 3>like that, like something like that that you have that

489
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 3>you can remember that you still have your mind, they

490
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 3>have your memory. I mean, whow. I mean a lot

491
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 3>of people don't have that. So yes, that's and I

492
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.720
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of times we tend to think of

493
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 3>what we don't have rather than what we have and

494
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 3>what we actually have.

495
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember our first show you and I and I'll

496
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.279
<v Speaker 2>ask you do you remember the first time I brought

497
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 2>you on.

498
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Yes, after the very sad situation with the marathon.

499
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and very thank you for remembering that we did

500
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>that together. We did, and we spoke to thirty eight states.

501
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 2>And I think my focus was to talk to kids. Yeah.

502
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 3>We were trying to tell parents, parents and kids to

503
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 3>tell how do they deal with the kids? They're children

504
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>at home?

505
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And that was the first show you and I did together. Yes,

506
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>And you and I both recall it, and I think

507
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:22.039
<v Speaker 2>that's important. Let me take a breaking to say.

508
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 3>No, I was going to say that that was the

509
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 3>reason we remember. It's like such an important thing in

510
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 3>remembering how much that touched people's lives, and they and

511
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 3>I remember that radio station because we had a lot

512
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 3>of calls that night and remembering hopefully being able to

513
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 3>help people a little right.

514
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in those days, we were doing it from the

515
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>station on Soldia sild Row.

516
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, we were.

517
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I miss I missed those days. I missed broadcasting from

518
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>that site. Oh well, let me take a break if

519
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>you want to call in. I only have roughly ten

520
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>twelve minutes left with doctor Ronda Gooddale, and when we

521
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 2>come back, I'll have her give her backstory, so you

522
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>know how she got to be doctor run the Gooddale

523
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>here on night Side six ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine,

524
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 2>ten thirty call in, come on time and temperature nine

525
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>forty five forty two degrees.

526
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

527
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

528
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 2>We are almost out of time. I've got roughly eight

529
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 2>more minutes left with doctor Randa Gooddale, and we're gonna

530
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 2>go to Canada first and then the Brookline masks. So

531
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Darryl good evening.

532
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 7>Good evening, doctor Goodell, and uh good evening. You guys

533
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 7>have hit a certain topic that is so cool even

534
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 7>today when you go back to memories, you think about

535
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.079
<v Speaker 7>what you were talking about and you can bring back

536
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 7>that memory. And you were talking about animals and whatnot.

537
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 7>And I was lucky to have a canine whom I

538
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 7>named d Day with four white with four white socks.

539
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 7>But he was born with a heart on the center finger.

540
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>And what type of animal was the day dog? A

541
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 2>cat wine runner dog.

542
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 7>But you referenced even in conversation where you go out

543
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 7>and actually your last caller mentioned about just having a

544
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 7>conversation with somebody. Yes, you can do that in line,

545
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 7>like even today at Costco because the lineup is so long.

546
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 7>Then you can make a joke or whatnot, and you

547
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 7>can actually make somebody smile. And there was a new

548
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 7>family because we have new families coming in from other places.

549
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 7>And walking by a couple of young lads in a

550
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:03.000
<v Speaker 7>shopping cart top part and you say, hey, little buddy,

551
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.960
<v Speaker 7>how you doing right? And they turn around with a

552
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 7>big smile and say, hi, how are you? Yeah, And

553
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 7>so it's the it's the whole thing about somebody like that.

554
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.079
<v Speaker 7>A young child even will remember that and may smile

555
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 7>and it may cause somebody else's smile.

556
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's nice about that. It's like they remember it

557
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 3>and you remember it.

558
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 7>Oh, And it's the whole thing. It's about passing it on.

559
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 7>And it's a great topic you guys are doing.

560
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>If I see a parent with a child in a store,

561
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>more often than not, they're holding a child's hand for

562
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 2>obvious reasons. You don't want the child to run off

563
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and get lost in the crowd. And I smile, and

564
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I look at the adult and I say you were

565
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that size once, and they usually smile, and it's all

566
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>it's all meant just to make the the person smile.

567
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:06.159
<v Speaker 2>And I do that with some regularity.

568
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 7>Well even when Dan's on sometimes about sometimes you got

569
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 7>long lineups and you can break up the monotony just

570
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 7>by again making somebody smile.

571
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Daryl.

572
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 2>So you've come up with a home run response.

573
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 3>That's great, Darryl. Thank you so much for sharing that.

574
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 3>And it was wonderful what you did today. You made

575
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 3>someone's life better.

576
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 7>No, but every everybody can do it, and you guys

577
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 7>do it every day by just conversation on the radio.

578
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Darryl, thank you very much. Take care you guys, take

579
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 2>care of happy holiday. And this next caller is familiar

580
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 2>with both of us. It's Bill Winneker in Brookline.

581
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 6>Go Bill, Hi, Bill, you know Rondo Bowe and I

582
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 6>love you because when we hear you on with borgon

583
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 6>and when we see one person, your voice, in your.

584
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Eyes, just just being around you makes us come.

585
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 6>We don't need any pills as long as we know you.

586
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, you can't love her because I

587
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>love her more than the two of you put together.

588
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Well we'll have to have a battle over that one,

589
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 3>all right, Kill, I just love I just have to

590
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 3>say this. Having Bill on the phone listening to them

591
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 3>and their music. It makes my life so much larger.

592
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 3>I do want to say this. I mean, oh my god,

593
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean you guys. Yeah, what else can I say?

594
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you just contribute so much to everybody with

595
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 3>your music. How much you love it.

596
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.039
<v Speaker 2>They will be on tomorrow night from nine to eleven

597
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night.

598
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll listening tomorrow. Okay, listen, Bronther.

599
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.159
<v Speaker 8>You do the exact same thing.

600
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>So that's why we love you so much.

601
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 8>We feel like you're one of us.

602
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you.

603
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 8>Anyway, the time is running out, so I hope you

604
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 8>both had a great Thanksgiving and.

605
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Help you.

606
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 3>We will definitely be calling to see you. Dan and

607
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 3>I will come and see you very soon.

608
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 8>Oh we'll look forward to that. We love it when

609
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 8>you come. And you better bring Morgan too.

610
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, she's promised to come see my show, which

611
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 2>she's never done.

612
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 3>I am definitely doing it. I am planning to come

613
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to see your show.

614
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 7>She doesn't do that.

615
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>We're going to bring her to see you, all right,

616
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>nice surprise.

617
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll do that.

618
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what's on your mind? You called us?

619
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 3>No, my mind was to say how.

620
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.320
<v Speaker 8>Much we appreciate uh, the doctor. She takes care of

621
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:02.480
<v Speaker 8>us by soothing us.

622
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 2>In a couple of minutes, I'll give you two minutes

623
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 2>your backstory, your history.

624
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well I'll give a little bit of my back

625
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 3>door because it's kind of an interesting backstory because I

626
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 3>have a very mixed thing myself. I mean, I definitely

627
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 3>am an academic, but I started off. During my academics,

628
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I was also a dancer with the Boston Ballet, so

629
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm very much in tune with many aspects of people's

630
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 3>personalities and the arts. I went on to study both

631
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 3>teaching and students who have emotional behavior problems. So I

632
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 3>ended up getting many degrees in teaching as well as

633
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.400
<v Speaker 3>psychology and working and helping children and families in terms

634
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 3>of issues related to psychology. And I ended up going

635
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 3>to several schools North Eastern BC and many schools. So

636
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 3>it's basically my back and I think for me, you know,

637
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 3>as I said, I think anything anything, and this is

638
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 3>true for all of you. It doesn't take a lot

639
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>of degrees because I think, you know, even though I

640
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 3>certainly have many of them now, I think that basically

641
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:19.000
<v Speaker 3>the way I felt even long before I had a degree,

642
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 3>with the things that we talked about. It's all these

643
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 3>simple things that you can do to make life a

644
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 3>little bit better. And I just want to say, because

645
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 3>I know we didn't talk a lot about it, but

646
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 3>some of you are out there trying to figure out

647
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.079
<v Speaker 3>how you're going to deal with the holidays. Just do

648
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 3>a thing, make a list and say what's important, what's

649
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 3>just throw away? All just like one that you can do,

650
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 3>and you're going to be okay. And you're going to

651
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 3>be okay, and you're going to make it through. You're

652
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 3>going to make it through.

653
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>True words and never spoken Bill. I look forward to

654
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>speaking with you and your brother tomorrow nine do lesson

655
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 2>here on night side. Doctor Goodal. You know I love

656
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 2>it when you're on. You you help people. Your kind

657
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>words and approach helps people. And I just found out

658
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>something I didn't know about you. I didn't know you

659
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 2>were a part of the Boston LA for a while.

660
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, one of my my youth. Thank you for

661
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Speaker 3>coming on all right, hope.

662
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 2>To continue to have a great holiday season.

663
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 3>You take copy holidays, everybody, Okay, take you.

664
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Next hour, Ed Robertson will be here talking about classic

665
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.039
<v Speaker 2>TV programs four in particular time and temperature nine fifty

666
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>eight forty two degrees
