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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to this idea was to watch this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, some some nebulous person that we all

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<v Speaker 2>know somehow suggested it to us.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was not me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was somebody nebulous like Avaitar Avatar esque, like someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is.

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<v Speaker 4>Five in the morning on a Sunday. When we just

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<v Speaker 4>rolled our clocks forward, we got a bright eyed bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of tails. We're gonna watch Babylon five today. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be so fun. Let's kick off a nice relaxing Sunday

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<v Speaker 4>with an episode of my favorite show.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I guess they got the poker.

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<v Speaker 6>Anyway, what were you saying, Jenny.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying we are Babylon We are the podcast Last

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<v Speaker 2>Reaction crew that is watching a breaking down episodes of

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<v Speaker 2>Babylon five. And we just watched the upbeat, peppy happy

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<v Speaker 2>episode Confessions and Lamentations.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny, just like.

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<v Speaker 2>R.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jenny, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a huge fan of this show and I've watched

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<v Speaker 2>it through multiple times and it's somehow still made me cry.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Jennim, a screenwriter and a showrunner. I

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<v Speaker 3>watched the show back in the day and I am

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<v Speaker 3>rewatching it now.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Gus. I'm an actor. I'm watching this for the

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<v Speaker 4>first time. I've accidentally shished an ess in there, and

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<v Speaker 4>I decided to commit to the bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Ali and I have permanent beef with JMS.

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<v Speaker 4>The Babylon Podcast was our last best hope for a

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<v Speaker 4>deep dive, a self contained discussion for hosts, strong located

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<v Speaker 4>in the neutral territory of the Zokolow, a place of

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<v Speaker 4>commentary and analysis for two veterans and two newcomers, a

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<v Speaker 4>shining beacon of fandom, all alone in the streaming void.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the dawn of the streaming age, the year

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<v Speaker 4>the great theories came upon us. All this is the

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<v Speaker 4>story of Babylon. The year is twenty twenty six. The

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<v Speaker 4>place wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>That JMS was the person who wrote this episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was directed by Kevin G.

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<v Speaker 1>Drenmon Nomen.

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<v Speaker 7>I've beef with him as well, Kremens as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Cremon.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that your day is right. That sounds like a thread.

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<v Speaker 5>I just mean until a confrontation.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet he's dead too. Every time we say something

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<v Speaker 4>out of pocket like this, it turns out the person's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't know. I'm I realized I didn't look

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<v Speaker 2>him up ahead of time. He's directed thus far one

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<v Speaker 2>previous episode.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope he's he's alive and well and happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, yes he is, Yes, Jesus. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>second second unit director and the Star Trek motion Picture.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, that's a beautiful shot.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just mention this because otherwise I will forget and

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<v Speaker 2>people will be in the comments all about it. Jim Norton,

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<v Speaker 2>the voice of the Mark at Doctor Doctor Lasart. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you reckon? He's been on the show before.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I thought so. His voice sounded really familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the he was the ombuds, oh, the ouds many.

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<v Speaker 4>All right single, it was the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the judging episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Extorted the guy in front of the the judge was sure,

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<v Speaker 4>is too bad. We can't prove this guy did extortion.

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<v Speaker 5>And he was the giant.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah okay, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was so and he has an amazing voice.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember his voice out so much in in

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<v Speaker 2>that episode, but in as a market.

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<v Speaker 7>Didn't get a lot of lines, all right, And I

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<v Speaker 7>think they're also very distracted by the extortion bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna also just say yes, I'm going to say that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so the choice of not having nostrils, which is interesting

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<v Speaker 3>for species that was dying from an airborne disease. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>just like, I don't know how they breathe in I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure they have like you know, spiritual sphracles or something like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>spiracles are killed something. But but I that poor child,

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<v Speaker 3>that poor child and that prosthetic, like you could hear

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<v Speaker 3>her just be like, yeah, I can't breathe. I like

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<v Speaker 3>have it like like her lips the whole time, because

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<v Speaker 3>she was like, please tell me she was only in

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<v Speaker 3>prosthetics for twenty five minutes. Of course she sat through

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<v Speaker 3>seven hours, so no, they shot all of her shit

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<v Speaker 3>on one day probably, but like probably just felt so bad.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like to len O case have the speech.

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<v Speaker 5>Please, was like, I heard this speech, girl.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not going to be hard to pass out.

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<v Speaker 4>I did notice that every markab always had their mouth open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they did.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't breathe, I know, because they have no nostrils.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yea.

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<v Speaker 2>I talk like it's a I mean it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>dark episode. Obviously they all die, but they did talk

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<v Speaker 2>about having like a funeral for all the Markab costumes

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<v Speaker 2>because as you noted, like the markb were in the

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<v Speaker 2>last episode, the Mark Hab had been mentioned over and over. Ye,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've been in the background, They've been like in

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<v Speaker 2>council meetings. At one point, Doctor Steve was drinking juice

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<v Speaker 2>and reference that it was market like they've been a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the show. Oh yeah, yep, he was drinking

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<v Speaker 2>a Mark Cab juice with his dad.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a real time reference I want to make, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's a late book spoiler, so I won't, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, I know what

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so thoughts on this up, just general thoughts before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into the meet very sad.

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<v Speaker 7>It feels and we've talked about this already, but it

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<v Speaker 7>feels definitely like a reflection on the AIDS crisis to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>with the immorality, yeah, but like I mean just in

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<v Speaker 7>terms of like shit that had gone on, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And the time that the show is happening. He does

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<v Speaker 2>say in the jams, like I didn't say this was

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<v Speaker 2>about AIDS. I think that was to deflect from people

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<v Speaker 2>being like you're calling us all callous people who don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like good, it's just just the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm looking because it's funny because I don't actually

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<v Speaker 3>yet he talked to people without the CDC like as

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<v Speaker 3>well while he was doing this. And so I'll just

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<v Speaker 3>give a quick background on honovirus. So this is two

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<v Speaker 3>years after the honovirus outbreak in the Four Corners and

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<v Speaker 3>so the hantavirus was a virus that originated in Asia

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<v Speaker 3>that they didn't in the Haunted Valley and then they

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<v Speaker 3>had not seen it in this country. And it also

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<v Speaker 3>had not behaved in the same way. And it is airborne,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is transmitted. What they didn't know at the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning was whether or not it was transmitted from human

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<v Speaker 3>to human. But it is transmitted airborne, and it's transmitted

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<v Speaker 3>actually off it comes from the vector is a flea.

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<v Speaker 3>The flea gets on mostly mice, mostly dear mice Paramiscus miniculatas,

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<v Speaker 3>and they maniiculada and they and then the poop from

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<v Speaker 3>it gets in the air and you can breathe it in.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was a big outbreak in the Four Corners

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<v Speaker 3>they thought it was contained to this region, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was like it had been a Native American ceremony, so

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<v Speaker 3>there was like dancing and kicking up dust, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it was a really big deal and a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people died very quickly, and they didn't know much about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but they thought it was contained here. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>first case outside was in Mammoth Lakes and it was

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<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine. And it works very quickly, and

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<v Speaker 3>it incubates for like six weeks and then with no

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<v Speaker 3>symptoms whatsoever, and then when it hits, it hits, it

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<v Speaker 3>hits like that. So I saw her on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 3>We went dancing. Tuesday night, she said, hey, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to come. We always danced on Tuesdays and Saturdays,

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<v Speaker 3>we went country dancing. And on Tuesday night she called

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<v Speaker 3>and she was like, I feel like I got a cold.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to come tonight because I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to give you guys a cold. She stayed home Tuesday

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<v Speaker 3>night and then by Friday, by Thursday, she was so

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<v Speaker 3>sick we thought it was advanced pneumonia. And she was

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<v Speaker 3>met backed up by a helicopter to Reno, which was

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<v Speaker 3>at noon, she was dead. It destroys all of the blood,

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<v Speaker 3>like all of the vessels and your like, your lungs

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<v Speaker 3>the food and it's yeah, and it's really And then

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, we still didn't know how it was

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<v Speaker 3>transmitted exactly, or if it could be transmitted person to person.

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<v Speaker 3>So CDC came in and quarantined us all and took

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<v Speaker 3>with her. They trapped mice at her field site. They

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<v Speaker 3>trapped mice at the place she was living. Then she

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<v Speaker 3>had lived in my room earlier in the summer. They

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<v Speaker 3>trapped mice from our area. Turns out the mice in

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<v Speaker 3>my bedroom or the mice that probably gave it to her.

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<v Speaker 3>And so like we were all, oh my god, quarantined

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<v Speaker 3>and tested and like had to wait to find out

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<v Speaker 3>weren't quarantined for that long because they were starting at

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<v Speaker 3>that point to figure out that they were quite sure

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<v Speaker 3>it couldn't be transmissible between people, but we weren't really

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<v Speaker 3>sure in the beginning, and it was really crazy and

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<v Speaker 3>so just like so the uncertainty of this, and like

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<v Speaker 3>this was definitely influenced by that uncertainty that like it's

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<v Speaker 3>a new thing, we don't know what it is. It

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<v Speaker 3>acts really quickly, It like shuts down your whole body immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was like that sounds familiar. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>this is you know, And so in honovirus, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>like there was another case later that summer, a couple

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<v Speaker 3>more later that summer, and then you know there have

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<v Speaker 3>been continued to be cases over the years, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but not not a ton. And they also, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they can recognize it faster because when when with gene

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't they didn't identify it as hanavirus until after

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<v Speaker 3>she died because it was so fast. I mean they

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<v Speaker 3>might have had an inkling, but it was like it

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<v Speaker 3>was just too late.

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<v Speaker 1>It was too late.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it's a really really fast, crazy thing that

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't know about either. So I was like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because they were like and CDC was brought in because

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, is it's going to be some massive epidemic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And then the movie Outbreak came out like two years later,

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<v Speaker 3>which was kind of based on that as well.

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<v Speaker 5>So sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was it was pretty It was pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember sitting and watching Outbreak and like I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was like sort of my first anxiety, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't under like I was watching Outbreak in the theater

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, I was like heaving and

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<v Speaker 3>sobbing and unable to breathe. And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>apparently trauma, trauma, apparently over this. I'm not past this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you ever think can yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I mean, there are just things that's there are

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it was you know, I mean like it

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<v Speaker 3>That was a huge part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was AIDS.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, cute, right, it's because lesbians were there to help.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was weird.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it's a lot of cognitive I feel like

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<v Speaker 7>But that's like, I don't know, maybe this is a reach,

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<v Speaker 7>but kind of the beautiful thing about crises in some

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<v Speaker 7>but it's that's kind of a beautiful story and a

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<v Speaker 1>It's horribly tragic, horribly yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, man, it's.

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<v Speaker 7>Dude, we have not yet begun to really unpack how

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is so interesting to Sorry that so interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to watch now because there are parts of it that

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking seemed unrealistic that don't seem unrealistic anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like the ridiculousness of just refusing and not

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<v Speaker 4>Like yep, yeahh shit. You know at the at the

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the episode, when they were like,

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<v Speaker 4>we have a cure now and these people will not

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<v Speaker 4>have died in vain, I was like, God, that sounds

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<v Speaker 4>that sounds nice. Imagine making a cure and then everybody

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<v Speaker 4>people and then lo and behold. JMS was like, fuck

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<v Speaker 4>you actually, I'm going to really lean into this doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>matter anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And also not only do they all die, but

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<v Speaker 3>then he also like the last thing he leaves is

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<v Speaker 3>with is the racist spaces time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bar oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like, wow, it's just when you went there.

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<v Speaker 3>He did, and when you're saying things that felt like

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<v Speaker 3>unrealistic or like would have felt unrealistically at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>we would have been like nah, and now we're like huh,

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<v Speaker 3>like of course or like of course because people were

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<v Speaker 3>as whole people react.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other thing I thought was interesting and this

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<v Speaker 3>felt and when you talk about and when we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the AIDS epidemic and we talk about people not

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<v Speaker 3>being able to get treated, Jenny, You're a hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>right at the time that was the case, especially like

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<v Speaker 3>specifically around AIDS, it was like, we don't even want

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<v Speaker 3>to see you literally turned away from hospital. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 3>but in this in my my watching that moment when

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<v Speaker 3>none of them wanted to go in and Franklin said

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<v Speaker 3>he'd be the one to go in, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about first responders or heroes and

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<v Speaker 3>they jump in because that's my experience with COVID first responders,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like that is my experience. Yeah, And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that that obviously there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's a weird there's a weird different like

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<v Speaker 2>and not both AIDS and COVID became political, but they

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<v Speaker 2>became political in different ways. Whereas like AIDS was you

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<v Speaker 2>got it because you were back, because you were you

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<v Speaker 2>were sinning, right, whereas COVID is if you treat it,

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<v Speaker 2>you're sinning. Like it's a completely different. It's weird, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what he says here in the in the notes, is

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<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't about ads. It's about making a disease political.

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<v Speaker 2>If you make a disease political, people die like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's not relevant at all today at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. I mean the whole conversation, the whole thing about

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<v Speaker 3>like you know about like when when he's talking about

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<v Speaker 3>DRAFA and he says, you know, our government didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to make it an issue. I mean not even he

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about like the new Drafa, like when it

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<v Speaker 3>came back to the government knew, but they didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to tell people.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they didn't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, why what Yeah, yeah, I will

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<v Speaker 3>say the COVID watch it upset people, I know, but

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<v Speaker 3>like watching COVID. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I live in South Korea and coke Creo was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first countries that got hit. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 2>Was so worried about it when it was here and

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<v Speaker 2>not in Canada like it was. She's just sending me

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<v Speaker 2>in ninety five masks and hand sanitizer and like making

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<v Speaker 2>sure I would if I would talk to her on FaceTime.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, you're not wearing your mask, Like well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at home. I'm fine, like I'm in my house. But

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<v Speaker 2>the seconded it hit Canada and inconvenience to her, it

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<v Speaker 2>became fake and it wasn't real anymore. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>such a weird thing to watch her mind change, just

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<v Speaker 2>because it was now a thing that she had to

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<v Speaker 2>do and not something on the other side of the planet.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was. That was something that I watched with

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<v Speaker 5>members of my own family as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>It's yeah, yes, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost like viruses don't care about your politics.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they do not they It's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like viruses are just gonna do what they're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>You think it's gonna virus And yeah, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I want to read a little as long

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<v Speaker 2>as we're still talking about the play side of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the whole story. But like, just like

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<v Speaker 3>I want to read jms's things. Read one of jms's thinks. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, like this is in response to the comment

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<v Speaker 3>plague stories are trendy these days. Yea, And he says,

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<v Speaker 3>next time, I will try and locate every other producer

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<v Speaker 3>in town and see what they plan to produce so

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<v Speaker 3>I can plan accordingly, like no snark there whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>When I wrote.

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<v Speaker 3>When I wrote the episode, outbreak hadn't been promoted yet

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<v Speaker 3>or known about Voyager, hadn't heard because there's a Voyager

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<v Speaker 3>up said er, hadn't told me what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'd known there would be such a glut, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I probably would have done so anyway, because this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>so much about the plague and saying it's dangerous, but

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<v Speaker 3>about our attitudes when we are confronted by this, which

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<v Speaker 3>really hasn't been dealt with all that much in sci fi.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he says, I yeah, I mean, he says,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm sorry, but don't even try to bring the

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<v Speaker 3>Voyager story into this. The ship is threatened by a

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<v Speaker 3>cheese contamination. I almost fell off my chair.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cheese contamination on Voyager, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And it gets it in biometrics right like the bio.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, yeah, because it's a biogel. Yeah biogel. Ye.

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<v Speaker 5>I watched Shadie and I kind of am here for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I kind of get why he would be snarky

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<v Speaker 4>towards Star Trek considering the existence of deep space nine. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't really blame As much as I love Deep

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<v Speaker 4>Space nine, I can't really blame him for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah, I don't know, like he might have

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<v Speaker 2>been saying it was not every episode is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a gem.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact he watched it. He was watching Voyager, so

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<v Speaker 1>like you know.

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<v Speaker 4>There is an episode where a virus becomes giant b

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<v Speaker 4>and tries to stab Janeway in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, which is a dumb episode except Jane was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a tank top with a big gun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes she is.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a lesbian.

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<v Speaker 4>She doing the Ellen Ripley thing in that episode. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>that is the Ellen Ripley episode.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought this episode was incredible personally.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode was, Yes, I really good about this. The

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<v Speaker 4>other thing I feel like that differentiates this episode from

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<v Speaker 4>like all of the other plagues, well not all of them,

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen all of them, but many of the

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<v Speaker 4>other plague stories he's talking about, is they didn't actually

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<v Speaker 4>fix the problem. No, they all died. I mean they

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<v Speaker 4>were never it was never going to infect humans, probably,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was never going to infect Minbari probably, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was never going to da but the pac Moran

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<v Speaker 4>and not the drowsy. I'm sorry, I'm so saying drowsy

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<v Speaker 4>the pacu Mara and the Mark habit was going to infect.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess they saved the pac Mara. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that was a gut punch at the end.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you don't always. I was not exactly expecting

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<v Speaker 4>the denuma of the episode to be and everyone died,

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<v Speaker 4>and you kept.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about we've got to save the child. That little

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<v Speaker 1>child died, died.

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<v Speaker 4>And so did all the other ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I sent a message in a full spoilers channel

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<v Speaker 2>that you guys can't see. But when you asked if

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<v Speaker 2>Ali should be here for this one, and I said

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<v Speaker 2>I would actually like to have Ali here for this one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said me too, But I said a message

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<v Speaker 2>like the last time they asked me if Ali should

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<v Speaker 2>skip and I said no, it was believed.

426
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<v Speaker 1>Do I just want Ali around for dead children? Is

427
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<v Speaker 1>that what's going on?

428
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<v Speaker 5>This is really the question at the hour.

429
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<v Speaker 1>I promise that's not the thought.

430
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<v Speaker 5>Do you just want me to suffer?

431
00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.240
<v Speaker 4>This episode almost feels.

432
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<v Speaker 5>Considering my absolute love of children.

433
00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:39.039
<v Speaker 4>Tell us like the anti Believers in a way, because

434
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<v Speaker 4>Believers was doctor Steve does fucked up ship and kids

435
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<v Speaker 4>die and this episode was doctor Steve does the absolute

436
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<v Speaker 4>best he can and kids die, kids die.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, he's not wrong. Everybody does a plague episode,

438
00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Like you're doing sci fi, there's going to be a

439
00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.200
<v Speaker 3>plague episode, Like you're not going to I mean, go

440
00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.160
<v Speaker 3>back to original series. There's was a plague episode. But

441
00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.480
<v Speaker 3>and you have to. And also he did say something

442
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<v Speaker 3>too about he was this is interesting. He said something

443
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<v Speaker 3>about the CDC. He said, we did have a you know,

444
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<v Speaker 3>uh advisor from CDC consultant. Yeah, and he says, one

445
00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.240
<v Speaker 3>person I spoke with it the CDC said that, hypothetically speaking,

446
00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.000
<v Speaker 3>the sudden eruption of a disease like this is possible,

447
00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:23.359
<v Speaker 3>like you think, how likely depends on various circumstances, and

448
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<v Speaker 3>you know, so he's kind of just like yeah, yeah,

449
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<v Speaker 3>And then he's talking about, yeah, things being highly contagiratic.

450
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<v Speaker 3>He said, the only thing that has prevented a massive

451
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<v Speaker 3>outbreak is the fact that by the time you can

452
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<v Speaker 3>generally get out of these remote areas, you're debt. Because

453
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<v Speaker 3>he's talking about like things that are in remote areas

454
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<v Speaker 3>and like yeah, and he also says he asked the

455
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<v Speaker 3>CDC guy about like between species. The consultant and uh,

456
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<v Speaker 3>you know and that guy. Let's see, we do have

457
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<v Speaker 3>a medical biology advisor, biological advisor whose primary comment on

458
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<v Speaker 3>the notion that a virus couldn't pass between one species

459
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<v Speaker 3>and another, and he says, we have yet to contract

460
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<v Speaker 3>one other one other alien life form to make me

461
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.359
<v Speaker 3>it make an analysis. But I'm like, we know that

462
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.759
<v Speaker 3>they it crosses species of them, So I'm.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, right, but I think the idea is like

464
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<v Speaker 2>if it comes from another.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Really different evolutionary chair wile Yeah, yeah, yeah.

466
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<v Speaker 7>That is the danger of contacting alien species that I

467
00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:18.839
<v Speaker 7>never even thought of before.

468
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, was like, well yeah, yeah.

469
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<v Speaker 2>He mentions it here, like when the first astronauts, like

470
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<v Speaker 2>when they were quarantined when they came back to Earth

471
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<v Speaker 2>because it was like, we don't know, are there diseases

472
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<v Speaker 2>in space?

473
00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like is the moon the moon? Else have stuff? Yeah,

474
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:35.720
<v Speaker 3>theyre always uarantine. I mean they actually yeah, fascinating.

475
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<v Speaker 4>Ye.

476
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<v Speaker 1>So do you have thoughts, Sally? And we've been talking

477
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<v Speaker 1>a lot. I just thought do you have?

478
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<v Speaker 7>I just thought it was a really interesting move to

479
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<v Speaker 7>also like include a child when we're talking about like

480
00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.720
<v Speaker 7>morality versus immorality and like who deserves to be sick

481
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.039
<v Speaker 7>and things like that. Like, yeah, there's a really great

482
00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.920
<v Speaker 7>play called The Yellow Boat about the AIDS crisis, which

483
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<v Speaker 7>is about a father and a son and this is

484
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:06.880
<v Speaker 7>based on a true story. And the son dies during

485
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<v Speaker 7>the ACE crisis and he's a child because he has

486
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<v Speaker 7>a blood transfusion and you know it's the wrong kind

487
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:16.799
<v Speaker 7>of blood transfusion. It's the wrong Yeah, they different something.

488
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:18.920
<v Speaker 7>He's sick and it's just one of those things. And

489
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 7>like they talk about that, like how ostracized.

490
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.400
<v Speaker 5>They were and like how.

491
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because people were afraid and like how how like

492
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 7>that immorality thing affected them? And you know, I think

493
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<v Speaker 7>people like, no, obviously, no one deserves to be sick,

494
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:45.559
<v Speaker 7>but like people like have no scope of the I

495
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 7>think they wanted to like be able to say, like, well,

496
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:50.920
<v Speaker 7>other people get sick and.

497
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.160
<v Speaker 5>They deserve it, and they think that keeps them.

498
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<v Speaker 7>Safe, right, Like it's this it's this perverted idea of

499
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.720
<v Speaker 7>like wanting to be safe. So if you can justify

500
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 7>what other people get sick and why you don't, and

501
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 7>like it's this attempt also, I think to justify the

502
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:10.359
<v Speaker 7>randomness of life, like how things just happen and we

503
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 7>don't always have and like it's this uncomfortable thing where

504
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.279
<v Speaker 7>we have to face the fact that, like life is

505
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.119
<v Speaker 7>very uncertain and we don't really like that. So instead,

506
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<v Speaker 7>if we can say, like, oh, this group of people

507
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 7>like they deserved it.

508
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 5>It's a punishment of some kind, Like we can kind

509
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<v Speaker 5>of like.

510
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 7>Wave it away or like, oh, well they had pre

511
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 7>existing conditions, so like you know, it's somehow they're like

512
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:39.319
<v Speaker 7>people who were like pre ordained to die anyway, So

513
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.039
<v Speaker 7>like you know, it's like this weird thing where we

514
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<v Speaker 7>can Yeah, so they're control. It's callous and it's fucked up,

515
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:49.480
<v Speaker 7>but it is an attempt to control a situation that

516
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.359
<v Speaker 7>may reminds us that we have very little control. And

517
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<v Speaker 7>I think it was very smart to include a child

518
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<v Speaker 7>in that discussion, because it's like, well, children got sick,

519
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 7>it's people, people of all different types got sick with it.

520
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:07.240
<v Speaker 5>It's like.

521
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 7>Justify that, like you know, I mean, it's fucked up

522
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 7>to do any regardless, but like, yeah.

523
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Is that like that line that the Len said, I

524
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the lenn in this episode.

525
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<v Speaker 1>Compassion, I did similarity, not I.

526
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Did that similarity was a requirement for Compassion. I wrote

527
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<v Speaker 3>it down.

528
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good, is that.

529
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<v Speaker 2>That is something I also remember. I didn't have the

530
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 2>words so articulated at the time, but I do remember

531
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<v Speaker 2>this from the nineties of the sympathetic faces of AIDS

532
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>were the children who caught it from uh from.

533
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Ryan White, I believe was I can't remember.

534
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<v Speaker 2>There was a boy who was very very famous, became

535
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<v Speaker 2>very famous because of that, like Michael Jackson wrote a

536
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>song about him, into all that, but like and thinking

537
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 2>that that was not I remember as like a middle

538
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 2>school kid who knew somebody, thinking that that's not fair

539
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>that this boy I know because I thought of him

540
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>as a boy, but he was like nineteen and he

541
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.400
<v Speaker 2>was gay and dying of AIDS, Like why isn't it

542
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>sad that he's dying? Why is it only sad when

543
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 2>children are dying? That's not It's not fair. And and I,

544
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 2>like I do putting a child's face always makes things

545
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 2>like world vision does that, like everybody does that, but

546
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 2>it does it does snake. It seem we can only

547
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>care about certain people and not everyone.

548
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 7>I think it was an attempt to counteract this narrative,

549
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.480
<v Speaker 7>but like at the same time, it was dehumanizing to

550
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 7>other groups of people, like no one deserves to be

551
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.799
<v Speaker 7>ill and die, Like that's not that's not a thing,

552
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 7>you know. I also wonder if de Lenne is a

553
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 7>little bit in this like giving up well, her whole

554
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 7>thing about like I didn't know that similarity, but that

555
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 7>would I want that like tattooed on my body? But

556
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 7>if I were, if I were the type the weather

557
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 7>in afraid of needles like that. It was an incredible line.

558
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 7>But there were a couple of things that I thought

559
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 7>of during that. One was that, like you said, Jenny,

560
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 7>the like Catholic nuns where it's like, you know, theoretically

561
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 7>right there people who disagree the most with homosexuality and

562
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 7>that didn't stop them from being compassionate at a time

563
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 7>where like most people were not.

564
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 5>And then also.

565
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 7>There was a part of me that was like it

566
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 7>felt a little almost also Princess Diana, you too, Princess

567
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 7>where it's like she she did a lot to kind

568
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 7>of destigmatize it as well by like you know, touching

569
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 7>the patients and being compassionate, and.

570
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I just that was there was a thought

571
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 5>about that for me. But yeah, what uh what us

572
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 5>I we got her acting This episode.

573
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 4>Was also just and every episode.

574
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 5>I mean pain like, she's incredible.

575
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Well and not to not to. I don't want to

576
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.880
<v Speaker 4>pivot away from the tragedy of it all too much

577
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 4>because that.

578
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I know what you're about to talk about, because that's

579
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 1>my next question.

580
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 4>But she and Bruce are on a first name basis now,

581
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 4>m hmmm. And there was there was there was there

582
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 4>was hand placement, you know, listen, there were there were moments.

583
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 5>Listen.

584
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:40.559
<v Speaker 7>I hate being a like I hate when like we

585
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.839
<v Speaker 7>have a man and a woman who are close in

586
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 7>something and they can't just be bride, you know, like

587
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 7>but we have that with like Avanava.

588
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I was about to say already, yeah.

589
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 7>Their buddies, Like there is not it's not the same

590
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 7>vibe with Delenne and that maybe just that she has

591
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.759
<v Speaker 7>chemistry with everyone that moves.

592
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 4>But after this, there's one more thing I want to

593
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 4>say about compassion, by the way, But but.

594
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<v Speaker 7>She yeah, there was and and listen, I think that

595
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 7>we as a society should normalize that people could touch

596
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<v Speaker 7>each other.

597
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:23.039
<v Speaker 5>And it's just like platonic affection. Are you aren't you

598
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 5>maybe marriage?

599
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 4>Like he's out.

600
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if I want to normalize people touching my face,

601
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>that that that's.

602
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Not the that's not necessarily that you can have a

603
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:39.680
<v Speaker 4>relationship okay, yes, not go up to random strangers and

604
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.240
<v Speaker 4>touch their face, like you can have a connection with

605
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 4>somebody where faces can be touched without it being necessarily romantic. Yes, people,

606
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.599
<v Speaker 4>because you're French. Basically people can be.

607
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 3>Physical without it being meaning sex.

608
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, yeah, but I don't know.

609
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, I just wanted.

610
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<v Speaker 7>To preempt that by saying normalize, like physical effection between

611
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 7>men and women, like normalized, like you know, blah blah.

612
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 7>All that being said, though, the chemistry was insane, and you.

613
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 4>Did say day one, as soon as she popped out

614
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 4>of that cocoon, you went, oh, they made her hot

615
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 4>so she can fall in love with with handsome Bruce

616
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 4>box lightner.

617
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 7>I did say that, And I stand and I and

618
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 7>and look at me. I stand by it. Look at me,

619
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 7>I stand by like she's it's happening regardless, like the

620
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 7>respect that he.

621
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 5>Had for her too.

622
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 7>I'm a sucker for men respecting this ship out of women.

623
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, one of the best through lines of this season.

624
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.480
<v Speaker 5>That's a low bar, but hey one cleared it.

625
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.119
<v Speaker 4>One of my favorite, very suttle through line stories of

626
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 4>this season so far has been Sheridan and de Lenz

627
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 4>burgeoning mutual respect friendship. Uh, what's the fucking term? Foreign

628
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 4>exchange student kind of you know, you learn about my culture.

629
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 4>I learned about yours. Yeah, you were the best fucking

630
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 4>dress I've ever seen. We go to dinner. Yeah, I

631
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 4>eat one noodle an hour for seventeen hours straight kind

632
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 4>of thing. Like I took a.

633
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Note of this, sorry, because he was snoring and he

634
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't store he said that before to to.

635
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Susan to boom Yeah.

636
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:38.960
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

637
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.119
<v Speaker 4>And the sleepover Yeah, he's really John Sheridan has sleep apnea.

638
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 7>Man, that's that's the machine. Yeah, it's like it'll be

639
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 7>so much better rested.

640
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<v Speaker 4>But it's just fun to watch this kind of kind

641
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 4>of slowly creep forward because again I don't remember which

642
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 4>episode it was. There was an episode. You asked me,

643
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.240
<v Speaker 4>what do you think you'll remember from this, and I said,

644
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 4>probably the ten seconds where Bruce and Delenn went to dinner. Yeah,

645
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 4>it was the one with the sleepover scene, the sleepover plot,

646
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Workers of the World You Unite. What was the other

647
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 4>plot in that episode? See, that's the thing that was

648
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:19.519
<v Speaker 4>that was like the b and the sea plot of

649
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 4>that episode.

650
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<v Speaker 2>Plot was of that episode, No, because there was the

651
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 2>one yeah, where they had to have the sleepover because

652
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't get into their court and he had.

653
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 4>One meal with Delenn And that's right now the only

654
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.559
<v Speaker 4>thing I remember from that yes, yes, and then the

655
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:33.160
<v Speaker 4>hard eyes.

656
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it is it is interesting because there's a

657
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 3>there is this like, first of all, the like, there

658
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 3>were several poignant lines written by JMS in this episode

659
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.680
<v Speaker 3>that were just like and like what I just love

660
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 3>about his writing. The second thing is that he is

661
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 3>he is always and never moving away from and shying

662
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 3>away from the sentiment I I did not know similarity

663
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 3>was a requirement for compassion And why don't we learn

664
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<v Speaker 3>about other cultures? When we learn about each other's cultures,

665
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 3>we respect each other's cultures, we can grow to love

666
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 3>one another's culture. Is like, he's just you know, and

667
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 3>and and also the relationship between I mean this one,

668
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 3>this one felt to me like, Okay, aside from Keffer,

669
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 3>we'll talk about that in a minute, But from aside

670
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 3>from Keffer, this one was really connected. He even says

671
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 3>it's sort of the passover episode, like she's there having

672
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 3>sort of a version of passover dinner at the same time,

673
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 3>we're talking.

674
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that Dylen, uh help me Valen.

675
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, leave the exactly and then

676
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 3>and then and then on top of that, like then

677
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 3>when we're talking about the Mark cabin, we're like it

678
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 3>passed people over, Like they literally say will it pass

679
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>me over or something? Or it passed me over? And

680
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 3>then we have this like mask right, yeah, you know,

681
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 3>and and also like the passover plague like so it's

682
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.719
<v Speaker 3>really yeah, it's really interesting. I think there's like a

683
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 3>lot of connections here, but all of it coming back

684
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Speaker 3>to He's like, it's not entirely a political episode. It's

685
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 3>just saying that when you put He says, when you

686
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 3>politicize a disease, it's not going to go well. The

687
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 3>treatment's not going to go well. And I think that,

688
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, he is just he never loses his focus

689
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 3>of we need to be more compassionate, we need to

690
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:26.440
<v Speaker 3>be willing to learn about others. And this is such

691
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 3>a clean episode for that. It's such a good episode.

692
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.280
<v Speaker 5>He's exactly right too.

693
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, I once again find myself in a position where

694
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 4>I have to reference the malasone book of the Fallen,

695
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 4>because the I keep on getting your hair in my elbow.

696
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 4>I apologize because the entire conceit of malas En book

697
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 4>and The Fall and is it's basically a three point

698
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 4>three million word meditation on compassion and the importance of compassion.

699
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 4>And there's one particular quotation that happens in an earlier

700
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 4>book which I think is kind of relevant to de

701
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 4>Lens de Lens thing and everything else in this and

702
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 4>really kind of the show as a whole, where somebody says,

703
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.880
<v Speaker 4>we humans do not understand compassion. In each moment of

704
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 4>our lives, we betray it. I we know of it's worth,

705
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 4>yet in knowing we then attached to it a value.

706
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 4>We guard the giving of it, believing it must be earned.

707
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.760
<v Speaker 4>Compassion is priceless in the truest sense of the word.

708
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:33.760
<v Speaker 4>It must be given freely in abundance. And I like

709
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 4>that quote, and the Lens thing made me think of that.

710
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so true.

711
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 5>I just I get so bothered because we're so quick to.

712
00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 7>Obviously, boundaries are important, right, obviously you know you must

713
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 7>protect yourself from things.

714
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 5>But we're very quick too.

715
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 7>I think I saw this interview one time with this

716
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 7>guy and he was and he said, and it stuck

717
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 7>with me forever, never assume malice where ignorance can be explained. Yeah, yeah,

718
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 7>And like that has stuck with me forever. And I

719
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 7>think we are always like we're all people with like

720
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 7>context that other people don't have, walking around doing our best.

721
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 5>Like It's why I'm obsessed.

722
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.440
<v Speaker 7>With like like youngie and stuff and all this stuff lately,

723
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Speaker 7>because I'm just like we're all just out here with

724
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 7>all these wounds that we're poking in each other all

725
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 7>the time without knowing that they're there, And like we

726
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:42.760
<v Speaker 7>just assume a lot of the time that people are

727
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.280
<v Speaker 7>poking those wounds on purpose and not looking at like

728
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 7>the humanity behind, like why, And I think it prevents

729
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 7>us often from actually solving problems. I think it creates

730
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 7>problems where they don't need to be any because we

731
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 7>just assume the worst in other people all the time

732
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 7>and refuse to One of my favorite things to say

733
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 7>to my students is two things can be true, Like

734
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 7>when we're talking about history and things like that, Like

735
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 7>two things can be true, Like this perspective can be

736
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 7>true and this perspective can be true at the same time, right,

737
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 7>And like our tragedy I feel is that we like

738
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:23.000
<v Speaker 7>don't see that that like two perspectives can simultaneously. Yeah,

739
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 7>that two things can be true simultaneously at the same

740
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 7>time and equally valid. And so it's just like, uh,

741
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 7>and I just feel like it causes so many more

742
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 7>problems than it needs to, and like just how incredible

743
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 7>it was, like the contrast between like de Lenz compassion

744
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 7>and this guy making Catleus jokes about yeah, you know,

745
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 7>like which you know they would eventually, you know they

746
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 7>would eventually, because I mean, human beings are making jokes

747
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 7>about nine to eleven nowadays, Like they make jokes about

748
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 7>I mean tragedies all the time.

749
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.679
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, eventually any sting of it fades.

750
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean I'm just again like people were

751
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>doing that during COVID, not necessarily jokes, saying really callous

752
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 2>like anti Asian jokes because.

753
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 7>Good oh yeah, there were people attacking Asian people in

754
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 7>the street just for existing, just for the crime of

755
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 7>being Asian.

756
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 4>The week that this is different from that, but it

757
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.639
<v Speaker 4>is relevant to people making light of the issue. The

758
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 4>week before everything shut down, I was like, I should

759
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 4>probably get provisions, and I was walking to the grocery

760
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 4>store with a mask on and a guy was riding

761
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 4>by me on a bike, and as he approached me,

762
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 4>he saw that I had a mask on. He's leaned everyone,

763
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 4>and then he kept riding past us.

764
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.079
<v Speaker 5>Like, what's the point of that?

765
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 4>Who does that benefit? You're just being an asshole?

766
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 7>Yep, yeah, this is I think people are very wounded,

767
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 7>and they just they act strangely when they're afraid, or

768
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.280
<v Speaker 7>they act strangely when confronted with their own mortality. You know,

769
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 7>so they're like, oh, like, I have to distance myself

770
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 7>from it by making it seem laughable, because if I

771
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 7>can laugh at it, it's not a threat.

772
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's also true.

773
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to go ahead, jay, oh no, because I

774
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 2>don't I have something to say that has Literally I

775
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have an answer to the question, and I want

776
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>to say I don't. I don't know how COVID got politics,

777
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Like didn't become politicized in Korea. I don't know how

778
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen is a very conservative country, like just

779
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 2>in general, but it just didn't happen here. But also

780
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody just wore masks and nobody people stayed home when

781
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>they were told to, Like, if I get a COVID diagnosis,

782
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I say, like, nobody, nobody.

783
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But there was a history of that. There's a history

784
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.480
<v Speaker 3>in Asian countries of wearing a mask when you're sick

785
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 3>because you're not an asshole. And I guess, and there's

786
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 3>a history of looking at that in America, and it

787
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 3>means it's nice I had America. When I say it

788
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 3>like that, when you see that, you're like, oh, that's

789
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 3>another thing. That's something Asian people do. Wearing masks is

790
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 3>something other people do. I don't want to look like

791
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 3>other people like I mean, I think that led into it,

792
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.280
<v Speaker 3>that was part of it.

793
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:19.159
<v Speaker 4>I talk sometimes, I play a lot of the video

794
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 4>this is relevant, I swear. I play the Yakuza games

795
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 4>all the time, and I played a lot of Yakaza

796
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 4>five recently. Yakaza five was made in like, I don't know,

797
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 4>twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, and it is like thirty percent

798
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 4>of the NPC's just randomly walking around the street wearing mask.

799
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is true when you're sick you wear a mask.

800
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>That is a thing that people you hear just the

801
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>entire time I've lived here.

802
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm only playing that out because for me as

803
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.639
<v Speaker 4>was America as a Westerner, I was like, oh, this

804
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 4>makes me think of COVID. It doesn't make me think

805
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 4>of It's just what you would do, right, you.

806
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Know, I will tell you it's a completely funny thing.

807
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>You Also, masks are part of winter wear here, like

808
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.079
<v Speaker 2>the masks that they keep your fing like. It's literally

809
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>not a helping it's to keep your face warm, which

810
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>was a problem when COVID happened because in the winter,

811
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.599
<v Speaker 2>when you were wearing a mask and you talk to somebody,

812
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>by reflex, you pull your mask down, and with COVID

813
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to do that. But it took people

814
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.119
<v Speaker 2>like a couple of months to get used to, don't

815
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 2>pull your mask down when you're talking to people, because

816
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 2>that's just like wearing a mask is just the thing

817
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>that you do when.

818
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>You're cold, and so it was just funny.

819
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, anyway, I mean, it's absolutely i thing you should

820
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.239
<v Speaker 7>do if you're not feeling I remember, pre COVID.

821
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 4>We have fifty masks in the house. I had just

822
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:32.559
<v Speaker 4>keep them.

823
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.159
<v Speaker 7>I knew people who like bragged to me about how

824
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 7>like they never missed a day of school, like they

825
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 7>went to school sick. And I was sitting there I

826
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 7>saw with the chronic illness, going like you're a problem

827
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 7>for me, Like, yeah, stay the fuck home. I get sick,

828
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 7>I'm sick for weeks. Yeah, you know, like I don't

829
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 7>like back then. Lately my health's been pretty good. But

830
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:00.119
<v Speaker 7>back then, like before I started really working on like

831
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 7>what my body was doing, Like I would get sick

832
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 7>for weeks, and I was like that is so fucking

833
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 7>It's like I was like, don't brag to me about

834
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 7>your work ethic and like I was like, no, you're

835
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.960
<v Speaker 7>a problem. You're you're a freaking patian zero over here,

836
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 7>like for this office all the time.

837
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't America.

838
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 7>America can be very strange too, I think in that

839
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 7>like weird, like go to work even if you're like

840
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 7>near death's doore Well.

841
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I'd just saying like there is a good side and

842
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>a bad side to the wearing masks things, because part

843
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 2>of the wearing a mask is that you're supposed to

844
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 2>go to.

845
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Work wear a mask. Like it's not meant to be

846
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:38.639
<v Speaker 1>like a.

847
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're sick, stay home and take care of yourself.

848
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 2>It's so you're sick, we have something to help you

849
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 2>prevent spreading that as you go to work.

850
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, do we want to talk about, frankly, the a

851
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 4>plot of the episode. Yeah, Warren Keffer.

852
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 5>I love that.

853
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.800
<v Speaker 7>They they brought it in and we were like, oh

854
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.239
<v Speaker 7>my god, it gets a plot, and they immediately yanked out.

855
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was the capisode. I really I thought

856
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 4>it was the capisode. He got two scenes.

857
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 3>And then he was gone, done nothing relevant. I mean,

858
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 3>he did bring in the ship, he did bring the Dutch.

859
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

860
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Her he was told not to go into. Did you

861
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>do you know you realize why he was told not

862
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 1>to go in and be hunting for the shadow Ship anymore?

863
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, because he's been taking his star Fury out

864
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 4>on his own time apparently and just flying around hyperspace,

865
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 4>but also to see any of them.

866
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's trying to keep it right. They're like, they're like,

867
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 3>we don't want the Shadows to know that we do.

868
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

869
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's why that was why Bruce had that

870
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>face of like, oh no, no.

871
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 4>No, don't do that.

872
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't we don't want you finding this.

873
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 5>Also know the Shadows are in hyperspace.

874
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.039
<v Speaker 1>No, but he he you know, knows that something.

875
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 4>So when he hears weird bullshit, he goes, uh, oh,

876
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 4>don't touch it.

877
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 5>Okay, don't.

878
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 3>But also, I mean, like, and maybe I'm just like

879
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.639
<v Speaker 3>a little more sensitive to this, but I'm like, how

880
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 3>much does it cost to fuel up a starfire? You're

881
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.440
<v Speaker 3>just taking it up for fucking joy rides a gazillion

882
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 3>billion dollar ship that is your personal ship that it

883
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 3>costs a gazillion dellillion dollars to like fill it up

884
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 3>with fuel, and you're like, I'm just gonna look at

885
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 3>real a little bit. I'm like, that is not military

886
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 3>behavior right there at all.

887
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 4>You don't just take a plot so much.

888
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 1>He is an answer to this somewhere.

889
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh he talks somewhere in something I don't know, I

890
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 2>can't remember where I read it. But the answer is

891
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that he's not like he's fueling up the ship and

892
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>going out there to hunt in hyperspace. It's you set

893
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>me out to do something, and when it's time to

894
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 2>come back in, I'm like, okay, I take the time

895
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.719
<v Speaker 2>there for yeah, I'll go looking after I'm done the

896
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>other job. So the majority of fuel would be taken

897
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>in leaving the ship and then docking.

898
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>So he's not wasting a huge amount of fuel here.

899
00:45:58.360 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 1>It is he's wasting time here.

900
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 3>It is the fighters aren't inexpensive, but not hideously costly either. Also,

901
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 3>the pilots like to spend as much time out in

902
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 3>patrol as possible to garner more flight pay. Okay, well,

903
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Keffer's squad was already out earlier. As noted by Sheridan,

904
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Keffer chose to stay out a little longer, doing a

905
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.119
<v Speaker 3>bit of reconnaissance, most of the hassle is and prepping

906
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 3>the ship for launch, maintenance and so on. Once it's out,

907
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 3>it's just a matter of a bit more fuel. If

908
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 3>he left strictly for this purpose, Yeah, yeah, they nail

909
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 3>his butt to the flight deck. But since he was

910
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 3>out anyway, it's not as big of an issue. Okay, fine, ah.

911
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maybe they just forgot he was out. Maybe nobody noticed.

912
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Nobody noticed Keffer was gone, Like.

913
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 4>Where's Zeta leader? Like, who's Data leader?

914
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 5>Maybe that's where he's just been this whole time.

915
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's just doing donuts in hyperspace.

916
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 7>Everybody else is like, but is it hyperspace also super dangerous?

917
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, you had to stay on the beacon. You

918
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>had to stay on the beacon too.

919
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, but like we've seen that that has has

920
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 7>historically not happened.

921
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 4>It's warring. I guess they don't care they shot, you know, yeah, yeah,

922
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 4>that's that's what we know about him from all of

923
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 4>our time with Warren Keffer shot getting more. I got

924
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.159
<v Speaker 4>what is an episode eighteen of four left?

925
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 5>We got four left? Four left this season when he

926
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 5>was in the main the.

927
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Main I keep thinking about.

928
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 7>I keep thinking about in the main cast.

929
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:29.239
<v Speaker 5>That's crazy.

930
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Mid season I keep thinking about.

931
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 3>I keep thinking about, Oh my god, what's the afterss?

932
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 3>His name? I can't think of her name? Help guess,

933
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>thank you, Jenny and Denise Crosby. Keep think about Denise

934
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Crosby saying like by you know, by mid season, by

935
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 3>mid season one, even like she's you know, she's like

936
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:49.199
<v Speaker 3>legs behind a console, like you can't even see her.

937
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 3>She has like one line. Maybe she was still doing

938
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 3>a ship ton more. Just like, can I go fucking

939
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 3>get a real show that I like that I'm in?

940
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Can I like please go like get out of my car?

941
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just that's like how I keep feeling

942
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 3>about him as an actor, just being like he's like

943
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 3>he's kind of.

944
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 5>On a hole.

945
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 9>He's a I can't do anything else, but he gets

946
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 9>paid any but he gets paid per episode, like per

947
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 9>episode he's in, right, not per episode?

948
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine wouldn't he have like, wouldn't he have

949
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.000
<v Speaker 2>it like a minimum contract?

950
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I can look it up from the nineties.

951
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember exactly how it was. But you are

952
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.280
<v Speaker 3>as a as a as a main cast member, as

953
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:33.239
<v Speaker 3>a series regular. Yes, there is a minimum per episode,

954
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 3>but you have to be in it to get paid it.

955
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 3>So even if you're in the credits at the top.

956
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 5>Do they hate this man? What is happening?

957
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Like is what I heard? I don't even know if

958
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 2>it was about this show, but like, you would get

959
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 2>hired for like thirteen episodes even if you don't get

960
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>thirteen epis contract.

961
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.159
<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure that even though he's main cast, like, yes,

962
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 3>he probably was guaranteed a certain number of episodes, So

963
00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.320
<v Speaker 3>even if he's not in them, he's still going to

964
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 3>get paid out for them. That's true.

965
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.920
<v Speaker 4>There's two men cast who have done fuck all. It's

966
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 4>Keffer and new Tooth. And I assume that the reason

967
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 4>that New Tooth is doing fucking nothing is because Julie

968
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 4>Kate and Caitlin Brown left and they brought in Mary

969
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Kay Adams who was fine from the fifteen seconds I've

970
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 4>seen of her. But maybe they were just like, well,

971
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 4>we don't really want to proceed with the character in

972
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 4>this vein, I guess, But Warren, it doesn't make any

973
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 4>sense because Warren, clearly they created the character and we're

974
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 4>excited about this. I mean, they created the character. They

975
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 4>made a point of hooking him in season one in

976
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 4>episode one and two, and I think he had a

977
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 4>little bit in three andos.

978
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 5>And now this can I tell you what my theory

979
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 5>is about this?

980
00:49:59.239 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>What's your theory?

981
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 7>I feel like his role is going to become more

982
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.719
<v Speaker 7>important as the war advances, like as there's more potential

983
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 7>he's a fighter plic because he's a fighter pilot, like

984
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 7>right now, like, yes, there's a war, but it hasn't

985
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.480
<v Speaker 7>really reached Babylon five in a substantial way yet in

986
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 7>a while. But there have been some fight like some

987
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 7>scenes where I'm like, oh, this would be a perfect

988
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 7>time for Warren Keffert that he has not been in,

989
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 7>which is wild.

990
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, many, yeah.

991
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.119
<v Speaker 7>Like there have been a few episodes with this like

992
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 7>exploded you know stuff.

993
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.639
<v Speaker 4>And you made a joke Ellie in the second episode

994
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 4>where you said the studio told him we need a

995
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:41.400
<v Speaker 4>hot shot. Yeah, that could also be what happened, and

996
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 4>then JMS just like, fine, you can have him.

997
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 7>But here's your hotspat, but I will not be using

998
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:48.719
<v Speaker 7>it yet. But which does feel like I think he

999
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 7>would do. But it's like, uh, I'll take the oue,

1000
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.039
<v Speaker 7>but I'm not gonna be happy now. Yeah, but I

1001
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.480
<v Speaker 7>feel like there's the potential for like things advanced from

1002
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.760
<v Speaker 7>a war perspective, that he might become more important as

1003
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 7>a character, just because like right now it feels.

1004
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 5>Like it's still there's a war, but there's still Yeah,

1005
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 5>they're still kind of ramping up to that.

1006
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.840
<v Speaker 4>I remember something else I wanted to say, but it's

1007
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.199
<v Speaker 4>not about Warren Keffer. So we later if you want,

1008
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:21.960
<v Speaker 4>or I can just really quick interject this.

1009
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm just waiting for the episode.

1010
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.639
<v Speaker 4>But yes, is that we've we've now had episodes focusing

1011
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 4>on war and focusing on.

1012
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:30.760
<v Speaker 5>Can I say one more things?

1013
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

1014
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.079
<v Speaker 4>And I just wanted to mention that.

1015
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 5>Wait, can wait continue an activities.

1016
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Of death? So I'm on the eye. I got my life,

1017
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 4>my eyes up for famine, which I guess would.

1018
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 5>Totally going to happen because that's what happens in war, I.

1019
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Guess would be uh, a team of was famine, right,

1020
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 4>I think so? But anyway, go ahead.

1021
00:51:53.280 --> 00:52:00.280
<v Speaker 5>Out anyway, well said thank you, thank you, Ferry.

1022
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

1023
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 7>I was just saying that I think they're going to

1024
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 7>use Warren Keffer as they have before, as like a

1025
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 7>this is like the price of war from a soldier's

1026
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.559
<v Speaker 7>perspective for more of a.

1027
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I can see that. Yeah, you know, I can see.

1028
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 7>That person that can kind of go out into the

1029
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:19.920
<v Speaker 7>being the ship because like they did that with him

1030
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 7>with his buddies that went and done.

1031
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Guy.

1032
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:25.079
<v Speaker 5>I feel like it's like, yeah, we're going to.

1033
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.800
<v Speaker 7>Look at cost of war from like the perspective, also

1034
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 7>from like the command perspective, but then also the perspective

1035
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.599
<v Speaker 7>of like people being ordered into doing things. Yeah, I

1036
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.239
<v Speaker 7>think maybe he's the like every man that we can follow.

1037
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 7>Does that makes sense? So that might be where his

1038
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.920
<v Speaker 7>because we've got like we haven't even talked about psycre

1039
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.079
<v Speaker 7>in forever too. Yeah, all they're gonna ship.

1040
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Was like when I'm when I'm trying to keep track

1041
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.760
<v Speaker 4>of and I know we've kind of diverged away from

1042
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.320
<v Speaker 4>this particular episode and three fifteen in the morning for

1043
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Jenny Jenny. When I when I look kind of track

1044
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.719
<v Speaker 4>trying to track all of the threads in my mind

1045
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 4>at once, there are a couple of threads that keep

1046
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:11.639
<v Speaker 4>on kind of going and then coming back. And one

1047
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 4>of them is psycor and everything to do with Talia,

1048
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 4>because Talia vanishes for weeks at a time and then

1049
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 4>comes back and has three episodes in a row and

1050
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 4>then poofs away into the ether again. And the other one,

1051
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.280
<v Speaker 4>I guess is section thirteen, which kind of connects into Psycorp.

1052
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 4>I feel like Cycorps Section thirteen in trash Gym are

1053
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:40.000
<v Speaker 4>all points on a given Clark Morgan, Clark, whatever. Those

1054
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 4>are all points on the same triangle. But it is

1055
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 4>funny to me because when I watch the main cast stuff,

1056
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, Okay, Londo, Jakar, Delenn, Vier Lanier, Bruce, Garibaldi

1057
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 4>and Ivanova. They're very insistent cap for neutalk No, not

1058
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 4>at all, right, and then tips in and out.

1059
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 3>It's really important. When she blips in.

1060
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 4>She's really important. She clips in except yeah, except she

1061
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.840
<v Speaker 4>got coffee spilled on her. But then she just kind

1062
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 4>of vanishes for weeks at a time, and it's it's

1063
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 4>odd to me that that keeps happening, only because I

1064
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.880
<v Speaker 4>know Jams is such a meriticulous planner, right, So it's

1065
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 4>funny to me, and I'm wondering, I'm looking forward to

1066
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 4>why that might be happening, because I really like Talia.

1067
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 4>She's a she's telekinetic. Now we've mentioned that once, you know, here's.

1068
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, yeah, well, I was just gonna say, you know,

1069
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.360
<v Speaker 3>you're mentioning like Italia not being there and like you know,

1070
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Trush Jim and the political side of things, and you know,

1071
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.159
<v Speaker 3>Morgan Cichor or Talia. Here's what's funny, Like this was

1072
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 3>such a good episode. I was like, oh, yeah, Londo

1073
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 3>and Jakar weren't in this episode.

1074
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.920
<v Speaker 4>They weren't. Yeah, Like, I feel like the.

1075
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Story stops when we don't have Londo and Jaikar in

1076
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 3>some ways, like I'm always because I'm like that feels

1077
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.239
<v Speaker 3>really important, especially this season with a whole like the

1078
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:12.119
<v Speaker 3>war that's going on. And then I'm like, I didn't

1079
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.800
<v Speaker 3>even think once about them in this episode. Didn't even

1080
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 3>think once about missing them in this episode. It's really fascinating.

1081
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 3>It's a full episode.

1082
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:20.679
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you know, yeah, because I think it's still a

1083
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 7>continuation on this theme of like, this is what happens

1084
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:27.119
<v Speaker 7>when blank gets politicized? You know, like I think we're

1085
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.199
<v Speaker 7>looking at and now I'm predicting that there's going to

1086
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 7>be a famine episode where it's like, this is what

1087
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 7>happens when famine gets politicized.

1088
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.039
<v Speaker 5>I'm feeling like that's possible.

1089
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.840
<v Speaker 7>Because I because there's no way it doesn't, like, you know,

1090
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 7>resources and things and the allocation of those becomes very important.

1091
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:49.239
<v Speaker 7>But I'm feeling like it's partially because it still feels

1092
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 7>like they're present because we're looking at the theme the

1093
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 7>themes that they kind of kicked up dust around.

1094
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:56.639
<v Speaker 5>Does that make sense?

1095
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.199
<v Speaker 7>So it doesn't feel like like a bottle episode in

1096
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.880
<v Speaker 7>that same way, it feels like.

1097
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 4>Well and also again because the mark haveb have been

1098
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 4>brought up, I'm gonna I'm going to veil the wheel

1099
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 4>of time reference. And this is only relevant because this

1100
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 4>is something that I have Ali and I have discussed

1101
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:18.119
<v Speaker 4>extensively in the context of sometimes a writer wants to

1102
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 4>do something where they make they make a plot point

1103
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 4>that is meant to be like, oh my fucking god,

1104
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.159
<v Speaker 4>I never thought that would happen. And now I'm devastated.

1105
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 4>And the Mark Cavern not the people that I have

1106
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:31.320
<v Speaker 4>ever thought about ever I but I recognize the name,

1107
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.760
<v Speaker 4>particularly because, as I meant a couple weeks ago, I

1108
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 4>was like, JMS likes to do these things where he

1109
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.679
<v Speaker 4>reminds you of something right before it happens. Yeah, which

1110
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.159
<v Speaker 4>now makes me wondering about Warren Keffer having shown up

1111
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden talking about shadow ship again. So

1112
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 4>something's gonna happen with that very soon. But the Mark

1113
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:49.199
<v Speaker 4>were not people that I had really ever thought about.

1114
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.599
<v Speaker 4>But they are people that I was consistently aware of

1115
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.280
<v Speaker 4>because they've been mentioned in a significant way and we

1116
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 4>have seen them multiple times, and they have distinct makeup.

1117
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 4>So when you tell me that there's civilis has been annihilated,

1118
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 4>even though I don't have a deep personal connection to them,

1119
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 4>they're part of the tapestry that has existed on the show.

1120
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:09.119
<v Speaker 5>They've been present.

1121
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:13.039
<v Speaker 4>They've been present, even if they have not been hyperactively present.

1122
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.360
<v Speaker 4>So when you take that and tell me, oh, yeah,

1123
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.119
<v Speaker 4>these guys that you just accepted as part of the

1124
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 4>background they're gone, now that hurts me a lot.

1125
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like we're probably never going to see one again,

1126
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 5>not much or if.

1127
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 4>We do, it's going to be in a shitty refuge.

1128
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 7>Jerry special Mark cabin, much like Survivors Guild episode.

1129
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.199
<v Speaker 4>Whereas if you were to do this in a different

1130
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 4>context where it was just like here are some people

1131
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 4>you've never heard of and now they're dead, it wouldn't

1132
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 4>necessarily have the same effects.

1133
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 7>Actually, the fact that he specifically had them mentioned like

1134
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 7>there might be some Mark habs that survived on like

1135
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 7>other like posts a.

1136
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Couple million, but the civilization has been functionally not.

1137
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.199
<v Speaker 7>Even a couple of million, they said, a couple of millions,

1138
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.960
<v Speaker 7>though they said like there might be some scattered, but

1139
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:57.800
<v Speaker 7>it's like there down.

1140
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.440
<v Speaker 1>To they're effectively this is effectively gone.

1141
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 4>That is what they said.

1142
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.639
<v Speaker 7>So I feel like that actually might be a setup

1143
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.760
<v Speaker 7>for a Mark ab Survivor's Guilt episode.

1144
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Could and you see if there's any fallout from like oh,

1145
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Speaker 4>you're the plague people, well.

1146
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 7>Also like you're what it is to be like the

1147
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 7>last of your species.

1148
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 4>That's called an.

1149
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 5>Ending, I know, and it's so sad. It's like the

1150
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:22.559
<v Speaker 5>saddest thing you could be.

1151
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 7>So like, yeah, I feel like I feel like he's

1152
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:27.880
<v Speaker 7>now like I want to play around with that, like

1153
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:28.920
<v Speaker 7>that's on the table now.

1154
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 4>But I just want to applaud Jams for making me

1155
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.199
<v Speaker 4>really care about these people who I've only ever kind

1156
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:36.079
<v Speaker 4>of seen in the back. And admittedly part of that

1157
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 4>is also we spent forty five minutes with them this week. Yes, yes,

1158
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, and perhaps it would have.

1159
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Been and the doctor our first real I mean, we'd

1160
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 3>met a market before, but like our first real interaction

1161
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 3>was this beautiful, like respectful relationship between Stephen and Lezarin,

1162
00:58:56.559 --> 00:59:01.320
<v Speaker 3>and so that also like they were cool, they were nice,

1163
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 3>they were respectful, Like I just you know, so I

1164
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.199
<v Speaker 3>was like I had someone to hang that on and say,

1165
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.719
<v Speaker 3>if you're representative of these people, which obviously he's not

1166
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of them think that they're getting the

1167
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.519
<v Speaker 3>plague because of God. But like, you know, even so,

1168
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I was just like I can like these people because

1169
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:16.960
<v Speaker 3>I like him.

1170
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I think that. Yeah, they picked the two representatives. Well,

1171
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 7>it was a learned scholar and a child. It's like

1172
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:26.519
<v Speaker 7>a learned scholar who is a friend of someone that

1173
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:29.800
<v Speaker 7>we care about, right, yea who he has mentioned before

1174
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:31.199
<v Speaker 7>in previous.

1175
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Episodes, literally last episode.

1176
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and we also know that doctor Steve does not

1177
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:43.400
<v Speaker 7>view other species in a negative, negative light. Yeah, we

1178
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 7>know how much he cares about all species all the time,

1179
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:49.480
<v Speaker 7>which is add which is good and admirable and is

1180
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:50.320
<v Speaker 7>what he should be doing.

1181
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 5>But like, yeah, the fact that we see this like very.

1182
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 7>Caring even though they have like some you know, conflict,

1183
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.400
<v Speaker 7>the fact that vital respect for each other, and he's

1184
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 7>like a learned person. They picked they picked the two

1185
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 7>the two mark hats very carefully.

1186
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm highly conscious that we've been talking for an

1187
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 4>hour and it's early as ship for Jenny. So if

1188
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.760
<v Speaker 4>we can move towards wrapping up and letting you guys

1189
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 4>if you want, I just want to be respectful of

1190
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:24.320
<v Speaker 4>your time.

1191
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:25.599
<v Speaker 1>No, I get I.

1192
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I there's only one thing that I specifically wanted to

1193
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:31.320
<v Speaker 2>bring up, just because people pointed out that I missed

1194
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 2>something in a previous episode, and this is a good

1195
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.039
<v Speaker 2>time to bring it up. Because we saw doctor Steve

1196
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 2>ejecting himself with stems, and I realized every single doctor,

1197
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.360
<v Speaker 2>with the exception of the markab doctor, but every single

1198
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 2>human doctor we've ever spent time, including the one with

1199
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.320
<v Speaker 2>the machine that's how she lost her medical license.

1200
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.480
<v Speaker 1>And No. I mentioned doctor Ben and a doctor.

1201
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.679
<v Speaker 4>That we talked about June Lockhart.

1202
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:04.360
<v Speaker 1>No, we didn't because so many people in the comments

1203
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:05.000
<v Speaker 1>were like, you.

1204
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.559
<v Speaker 4>Think the people in the comments are wrong because I

1205
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.480
<v Speaker 4>remember talking about that. I remember that you brought that up.

1206
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.480
<v Speaker 4>But I think it was very we brought up.

1207
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.239
<v Speaker 1>We brought up the President's doctor.

1208
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, are we going to be dealing with like addiction

1209
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 7>and the medical profession?

1210
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:26.960
<v Speaker 4>Babylon the pit next time, Babylon.

1211
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:30.679
<v Speaker 3>That's the name of the next episode.

1212
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god.

1213
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I want to bring because I yeah, yeah if

1214
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 2>I if I brought it up last time, then that's great.

1215
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.000
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think I did because the comments were

1216
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 2>just full of you forgot about j Lockhart.

1217
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.280
<v Speaker 1>You forgot about you Lockhart, And I was like, okay, forgot.

1218
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:50.079
<v Speaker 5>About We should never have forgotten about Art.

1219
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:51.719
<v Speaker 4>I think she's real. She's so cool.

1220
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's gonna be She's going to be an issue.

1221
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:55.760
<v Speaker 4>We got a June Lockhart machine.

1222
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.159
<v Speaker 7>Now that could be an issue for doctor Steve little

1223
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:00.880
<v Speaker 7>little addiction issue.

1224
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, yeah, or likensance, especially in a wartime Jesus,

1225
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:14.960
<v Speaker 6>and I also Jesus, I want I'm hoping because.

1226
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:19.480
<v Speaker 7>It's important to me that trauma is handled well, I'm hope, Like,

1227
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:21.880
<v Speaker 7>even though I'm like I don't want Delenn to be

1228
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:25.079
<v Speaker 7>having a difficult time, I'm like, I do want this

1229
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 7>to have ramifications. Yeah, so I'm like anticipating hopefully callbacks.

1230
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:35.119
<v Speaker 5>To this in a way. Yeah, okay, just because I'm.

1231
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.559
<v Speaker 7>Like, you know, I I one of my pet peeves

1232
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:39.400
<v Speaker 7>is when like a character goes through something in an

1233
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 7>episode it's like, Wow, that would fundamentally shape me as

1234
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.239
<v Speaker 7>a person, and then they like never talk about it again.

1235
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.480
<v Speaker 3>I literally sent seven or nine hundred. How many people

1236
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:48.519
<v Speaker 3>were in there? How many Mark ham.

1237
01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Were in there?

1238
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 4>At least five hundred I think.

1239
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.480
<v Speaker 7>Say at least I watched five hundred people slowly die,

1240
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.360
<v Speaker 7>including a child that I had become attached to, Like

1241
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:08.320
<v Speaker 7>there's no way that doesn't fundamentally alter a person, and

1242
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 7>waited to see if it would kill me too, Like yeah,

1243
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:16.039
<v Speaker 7>there's no way. You I'm just like, it's not like

1244
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:17.920
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to be brought up every episode or anything,

1245
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:19.920
<v Speaker 7>but it's like, you know, there's there's a point at

1246
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 7>which I'm like, well, that has to have an impact

1247
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 7>in terms of like how they see the world and

1248
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:26.639
<v Speaker 7>their behavior after that, you know what I mean?

1249
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I agree with you.

1250
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what a what a star?

1251
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:36.679
<v Speaker 4>What a star she is?

1252
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:37.880
<v Speaker 5>God, what a star.

1253
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:41.280
<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to have to Previously on this one.

1254
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, people talked about that.

1255
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:47.119
<v Speaker 2>They're like, it's funny, that's funny, and every everybody was

1256
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 2>all about how Gus has to make it funny.

1257
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I have to animate it funny. Think about me too,

1258
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Compassion for.

1259
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.159
<v Speaker 3>Me, compassion for Johnny.

1260
01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:02.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna make you animates some fucked up ship and

1261
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:03.920
<v Speaker 4>then the child keels over.

1262
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.280
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's just gonna be you trolling Jenny the whole time, is.

1263
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:13.000
<v Speaker 4>What I try to do in the previously. Sometimes sometimes

1264
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:14.559
<v Speaker 4>I just go, like, you know what, I'm gonna make

1265
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.760
<v Speaker 4>Jenny do some terrible I'm gonna gave a horrible day.

1266
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 4>It's going to ruin my co host day. I'm gonna

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01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:21.599
<v Speaker 4>make my friend miserable.

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01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 5>And that's real friendship.

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01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't do that because I can't make my hands touched.

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01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:44.679
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, is this Bermuda this? Okay? Yeah, okay, that's different.

1271
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, flash Vagina and everybody.

1272
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, well all right, I don't.

1273
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Think I have anything more to bring up with you guys.

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01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 7>So all right, thank you so much for the depression today,

1275
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:03.039
<v Speaker 7>you guys, that was really solid.

1276
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh welcome. I'm so glad I had you here for

1277
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:07.360
<v Speaker 1>another dead child.

1278
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:08.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a lot of that going on.

1279
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.360
<v Speaker 7>You really, You're like, I insist Ali be here for

1280
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 7>every dead child on the show, and you're like, let

1281
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.960
<v Speaker 7>me make Ali talk about like some deeply upsetting topics.

1282
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:23.039
<v Speaker 1>And that's my plan. Yeah, that's my plan all the time.

1283
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.559
<v Speaker 4>I guess we'll see you tomorrow.

1284
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:26.920
<v Speaker 5>This show isn't political.

1285
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:33.880
<v Speaker 10>Bye bye ah, my friends, you have reached the most

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01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:38.000
<v Speaker 10>dangerous part of our journey, the Gray Council.

1287
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:45.480
<v Speaker 11>Here we speak of things that must not be spoken, secrets, betrayals, spoilers.

1288
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.480
<v Speaker 11>If you are not ready, turned back now.

1289
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 8>But if you dare to proceed, I promise you it

1290
01:05:54.440 --> 01:06:01.360
<v Speaker 8>will benficent, we get a Baldi.

1291
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that there's a lot spoilers to talk

1292
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 2>about this one. I accept it like that's it, the markab.

1293
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:15.679
<v Speaker 2>We never see them again there, right? Oh I did Oh,

1294
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I meant to bring that up while they were here. Sorry,

1295
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.320
<v Speaker 2>my notes get all hidden on the screen over there.

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01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:23.559
<v Speaker 1>But I'll just bring this up now. Did you see

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01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the bottom? Yes?

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01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I did, Yes, I did. I almost, yes, I did,

1299
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:30.599
<v Speaker 3>and I almost brought it up too, and then I

1300
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.599
<v Speaker 3>was like, because, well, actually, if we brought it up

1301
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:35.119
<v Speaker 3>to that, we probably probably would have gone off for

1302
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:37.960
<v Speaker 3>quite a while. But yes, okay, well we'll share it

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01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:39.519
<v Speaker 3>with the audience now and maybe we can share it

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01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:40.039
<v Speaker 3>with them later.

1305
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:45.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the use of Markhabs was definitely not a reference

1307
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:49.360
<v Speaker 3>to Scientology in any way, manner, shape, or form. This

1308
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:52.360
<v Speaker 3>is what JMS says, And then he says, there's absolutely

1309
01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 3>and then he says it again. There is absolutely, positively

1310
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.719
<v Speaker 3>no Scientology link or reference in the same Markabs. In

1311
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 3>the name Markabs, I find the organization generally abhorrent. Go jamis.

1312
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.320
<v Speaker 3>And then the third one. I had no idea that

1313
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:07.519
<v Speaker 3>scientologists used an alien group called Markab and frankly would

1314
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:08.800
<v Speaker 3>have changed it if I had known.

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01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I just think that's really funny. Obviously, several

1316
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.400
<v Speaker 2>people brought it up, and he was very vehement, and

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01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel bad you come up with a name. He

1318
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.760
<v Speaker 2>made up a name, and it just happened to be

1319
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:32.760
<v Speaker 2>a name that LRH also.

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01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Also made up. I've been also made up.

1321
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:38.480
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, you don't understand.

1322
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know enough about Scientology he got the information

1323
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:46.599
<v Speaker 2>from the universe. I don't know what they believe about

1324
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:48.920
<v Speaker 2>how he knows all about it.

1325
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.599
<v Speaker 3>He took a bet. He took a bet from Robert

1326
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Hyland and said, who said, I bet you can't make

1327
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.559
<v Speaker 3>a religion, And he said, yes I can.

1328
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I used to know about some of their mythology,

1329
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 1>but I can't remember all of it.

1330
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, you should be really careful about researching here because

1331
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:10.079
<v Speaker 3>as soon as you start researching it here, I know

1332
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 3>that the flyers start showing up on your doors and whatever.

1333
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna like, okay, well anyway, I'm not gonna

1334
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna say where I am, but they're everywhere

1335
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Speaker 3>all over time. If I say, I can see scientology

1336
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:23.359
<v Speaker 3>pretty close for my house, it doesn't matter. I just

1337
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:23.880
<v Speaker 3>live in LA.

1338
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:28.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, wow, anyway, I just I was gonna

1339
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.039
<v Speaker 2>bring that up. I thought that was funny. But yeah,

1340
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 2>they might still be talking.

1341
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.239
<v Speaker 3>I know, but yes, I wanted to bring that up too.

1342
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:40.439
<v Speaker 3>So there, but their theory about Keffer dead on, Yeah,

1343
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I know, they're like, well the hot shot, but also

1344
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 3>just like we got this little like glimpse of Keffer

1345
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:49.760
<v Speaker 3>right now because we're going to be there must be something. Yeah,

1346
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:53.039
<v Speaker 3>like they just they just killed off well except what

1347
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:54.880
<v Speaker 3>they didn't say was they just we saw the Mark

1348
01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:57.159
<v Speaker 3>cabs and then they killed off all the Mars Mark cabs.

1349
01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:59.399
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to say, like we saw Keeper and then

1350
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:02.159
<v Speaker 3>they're going to kill off CAP. They have not figured

1351
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:04.199
<v Speaker 3>that part. No, they have not.

1352
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:07.119
<v Speaker 1>They have high hopes for in the future, like you

1353
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:07.840
<v Speaker 1>know you're.

1354
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Feeling, Yeah, he's not going but they were right on

1355
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:14.560
<v Speaker 3>about GM getting forced into it.

1356
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:16.479
<v Speaker 1>Yep, pretty much.

1357
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Ye, yep, They've got that, They've figured that out, but

1358
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm still not going to confirm it until yes, he

1359
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:21.319
<v Speaker 2>blowed up.

1360
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:24.479
<v Speaker 3>You do have something very exciting coming up next week, though,

1361
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.119
<v Speaker 3>Gus is going to lose his fucking ship next week.

1362
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.279
<v Speaker 1>For Divided Loyals.

1363
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Who comes back, isn't Lida? I know?

1364
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh yeah, I just realized.

1365
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:42.159
<v Speaker 2>That because I was thinking of the girl kissing. But yes,

1366
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:46.239
<v Speaker 2>of course shows up. Yes, yes, yes, the lack of

1367
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:48.439
<v Speaker 2>girl kissing they're not going.

1368
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:52.359
<v Speaker 3>To be it's not actual girl kissing, but yeah them,

1369
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.840
<v Speaker 3>but yes, and then and then Lida is back.

1370
01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should talk about this, probably a deep but

1372
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.520
<v Speaker 2>a I don't want to tell them that Talia doesn't

1373
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:05.520
<v Speaker 2>return after that, because then it's going to be late

1374
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:06.439
<v Speaker 2>lyving it open.

1375
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we can confirm it.

1376
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.640
<v Speaker 2>After uh Bester talks about dissecting her in a future episode.

1377
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:15.840
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and I don't know if it's going to

1378
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.640
<v Speaker 2>be I can't remember. I'll have to read the synopsis

1379
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.840
<v Speaker 2>if it's going to be clear that Lida returns until later,

1380
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:24.159
<v Speaker 2>because she's in the episode next week.

1381
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:26.439
<v Speaker 3>But no, no, I don't want to make it sound

1382
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:28.960
<v Speaker 3>like it's actually that back. I just I think, yeah,

1383
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:33.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that's not just the fact that she shows up.

1384
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:34.279
<v Speaker 3>He's not gonna don't.

1385
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Lose a ship.

1386
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I don't want to imply that she will continue.

1387
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, she becomes main cast.

1388
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I know. My god, oh my god.

1389
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of relieved that they finally have twigged on

1390
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:56.239
<v Speaker 2>to uh Bruce and Delenne because that's been driving me crazy, Like.

1391
01:10:56.199 --> 01:11:01.720
<v Speaker 1>How you ship everyone stroking his face for.

1392
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:05.720
<v Speaker 3>Even stroking her face? She was like, let's just normalize

1393
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 3>face stroking.

1394
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they're on their way to smooch town.

1395
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 3>It's just slow and gentle.

1396
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.159
<v Speaker 1>It's I know, like it's not like hot and heavy.

1397
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:21.399
<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite romances. Ever, and it's just

1398
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:22.720
<v Speaker 1>this slow build.

1399
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Of people who meet and they like each other, and

1400
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:26.479
<v Speaker 2>then they like each other and they like each other

1401
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:27.199
<v Speaker 2>and then they can't.

1402
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not an epic story, but I love.

1403
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.720
<v Speaker 3>It so much. No, it's wonderful. And it's also like,

1404
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think, what, what does it justice or

1405
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:37.560
<v Speaker 3>what does that that choice?

1406
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:38.159
<v Speaker 4>Justice?

1407
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.079
<v Speaker 3>For me is that you know, it's a political I'll

1408
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.560
<v Speaker 3>say it. It's a political show. First, it's a war

1409
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.720
<v Speaker 3>and sci fi show. Second, yes, yeah, and it is

1410
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.960
<v Speaker 3>a soap opera. Third, like it's really not you know,

1411
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:55.239
<v Speaker 3>and that so he's just like, these are the in

1412
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:57.479
<v Speaker 3>the relationships are super important, but not in a typical

1413
01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.800
<v Speaker 3>soap opera kind of way, and so you know, and

1414
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.319
<v Speaker 3>like from the beginning he's like, this is all about

1415
01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:04.680
<v Speaker 3>character and relationships character first and so and that's true.

1416
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.119
<v Speaker 3>So I feel like him not making it this like

1417
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:13.960
<v Speaker 3>epic love story kind of thing is really just both

1418
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:17.079
<v Speaker 3>does a justice and is also just realistic.

1419
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeahs realistic.

1420
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.640
<v Speaker 2>It feels I don't know, it feels more precious to

1421
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.239
<v Speaker 2>me because it takes a long time to get there

1422
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and it never gets I mean, they have that moment

1423
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.760
<v Speaker 2>at the end of season three, we're at wan Anna

1424
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.680
<v Speaker 2>comes back where they have that disagreement, but there's there's

1425
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.479
<v Speaker 2>never a like, oh, we've been broken apart for like,

1426
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.680
<v Speaker 2>it's no, they just yeah, their friendship gets deeper and

1427
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper and deeper, and then they're in love

1428
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and they respect them like each other and I love it.

1429
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1430
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 2>We decided in one of my servers a while back

1431
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.880
<v Speaker 2>that Sheridan is very lesbian coded like, yes, he worships

1432
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:00.279
<v Speaker 2>his wife and he's friends with his X.

1433
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:02.880
<v Speaker 1>He's totally top lesbian.

1434
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, that's hilarious. Oh my god, I love that.

1435
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:17.119
<v Speaker 2>There's other spoiler things, uh, the stems obviously that is

1436
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:21.520
<v Speaker 2>definitely going to come up. And yeah, they've called I

1437
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:25.159
<v Speaker 2>might have highlighted it too much, but really there were

1438
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:28.880
<v Speaker 2>like thirty comments about how I didn't bring up doctor Roslin,

1439
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:30.479
<v Speaker 2>so uh not.

1440
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.159
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know.

1441
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was Rosalin because I'm Bottle Star

1442
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Galactica is on my brain right now.

1443
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Laura Laura ro Is BSG. But let's see quality mercy

1444
01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 3>doctor Laura Rosen, Laura Roslin, Laura Rosen.

1445
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 1>It's so close.

1446
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Because Laura Roslin is not from the original SG she

1447
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.000
<v Speaker 3>was a character created by Yeah, Yeah, she's not in

1448
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that the name was Yeah, I don't

1449
01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:07.920
<v Speaker 3>think the name was ever pulled from from anybody in

1450
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:10.359
<v Speaker 3>the original I'm pretty sure she was created by Ron Moore,

1451
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:13.399
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure Ron Moore didn't intend it to be

1452
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:18.279
<v Speaker 3>like stealing Laura Rosen. But I'm like, why not? Well,

1453
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we know Ron Moore was writing BSG right now,

1454
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:26.520
<v Speaker 3>because I mean writing sorry, not b S gen writing track, yes,

1455
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:33.039
<v Speaker 3>but specifically specifically Deep Space nine. Yes, yes, and he

1456
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.039
<v Speaker 3>was you know, I mean he was the creator of

1457
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:37.119
<v Speaker 3>the Dominion War, so.

1458
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:39.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, around your Yoda doll.

1459
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:43.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you know, will help me find the name.

1460
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.079
<v Speaker 3>It's like, this is I don't I am so bad

1461
01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:48.279
<v Speaker 3>about being on camera because I just like speak in

1462
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.640
<v Speaker 3>my in my real anyway. Yes, so he was, so

1463
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 3>I think knowing that that. Obviously, Ron Moore was watching

1464
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:57.079
<v Speaker 3>this at the time because he was being tasked with

1465
01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:01.039
<v Speaker 3>crafting a the long term story, the We're arching story

1466
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:06.319
<v Speaker 3>arcs in Deep Space nine and then BSG DS nine.

1467
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:08.079
<v Speaker 3>It's really fucking hard to use all.

1468
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Of these two BSG D S nine B five. It's

1469
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:15.079
<v Speaker 1>just tng. What's going on too much.

1470
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:19.399
<v Speaker 3>Their voyager isn't but I know exactly. But in any case,

1471
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:21.359
<v Speaker 3>I do think that Ron Moore must have been watching

1472
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:24.920
<v Speaker 3>this at the time. And then you know also because

1473
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 3>there are some elements too, there are things in this

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01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:30.600
<v Speaker 3>that show up in his version of Battlestar, there are

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01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:33.760
<v Speaker 3>things we see. I mean, and I I will take

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01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:34.840
<v Speaker 3>you to the grave that that was one of the

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01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:36.760
<v Speaker 3>best series ever made ever in the history of the world.

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01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:40.600
<v Speaker 3>I love that show so much. BG is amazing.

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01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:41.119
<v Speaker 1>It's wonderful.

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01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Although I like I started doing reactions, I don't know

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01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:47.039
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going to continue them. But on my channel,

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01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I have not revisited that show since I watched it

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01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the first time at all, because it's so perfect in

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01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:55.399
<v Speaker 2>my brain that I've been a little bit nervous to

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01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.159
<v Speaker 2>touch it because what if I don't like it is

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01:15:58.239 --> 01:15:59.840
<v Speaker 2>holding up for you so far, I mean I've only

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01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to the mini series again and one other episode, but yeah,

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01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:04.720
<v Speaker 2>it's so far holding up.

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01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.119
<v Speaker 1>And if I immediately immediately felt my crush on Starbuck

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01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Return and it was like, oh, oh.

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01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, yes right away.

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01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean, we showed it to our eldest a

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01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:18.520
<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago and he's desperate to get back

1494
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:19.520
<v Speaker 3>into it. He's just like, what are we going to

1495
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:20.960
<v Speaker 3>watch the rest of it? Because we didn't. We haven't

1496
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.199
<v Speaker 3>finished the series with him. But he loved it and

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01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:25.000
<v Speaker 3>it held up for him and it was, you know,

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01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 3>made long before he was born, and he was like,

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01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:29.479
<v Speaker 3>this is great. Not only are the effects great, but

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01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.640
<v Speaker 3>the storytelling is incredible, and yeah, storytelling is amazing and

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01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the characters are great. Okay, back to be fine.

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01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.479
<v Speaker 2>The other thing, I just they kept pointing out there's

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01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.159
<v Speaker 2>a if you were watching this without having watched the episode,

1504
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:45.600
<v Speaker 2>this is the first we see of that alien.

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01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I believe that has the weird.

1506
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Like a what do you call the nose of like

1507
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a mosquito. Thank you, there's a creature in behind his

1508
01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:59.800
<v Speaker 2>mask and a ProBiS. And they pointed him out each time.

1509
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:02.479
<v Speaker 2>In the Lurkers guy, they keep saying, the alien with

1510
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:05.800
<v Speaker 2>the beret reading apparatus is this Sandman reference? And he

1511
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:09.399
<v Speaker 2>kept saying, no, no, no, it totally is, because later

1512
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:11.079
<v Speaker 2>on we're going to find out that that character is

1513
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.439
<v Speaker 2>named the game, which it's Neil Gaiman, which is not

1514
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:15.560
<v Speaker 2>a pleasant thing to know.

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01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:21.319
<v Speaker 3>It's in the costume. No, he's just using it. It

1516
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:21.760
<v Speaker 3>is a game.

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01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:25.680
<v Speaker 2>The name the name of that species is the game, right,

1518
01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:30.920
<v Speaker 2>so it's obviously a Sandman reference. And the fact is,

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01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and again it's just a sad thing because I'm assuming he.

1520
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Didn't know what a monster he was.

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01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Neil Gamon writes the forward to JMS his autobiography and

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01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the only other from here on out until the end

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01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:44.800
<v Speaker 2>of the series.

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01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:49.720
<v Speaker 2>JMS writes every single episode except for one. The one

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01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:51.800
<v Speaker 2>episode he doesn't write is written by Neil Game.

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01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 3>I know, and he obviously didn't know, but like, I

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01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:57.279
<v Speaker 3>mean no, like this is years before.

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01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, so.

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01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:04.439
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, it is a Sandman like so he denies things

1531
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.199
<v Speaker 2>sometimes and like why are you why?

1532
01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:09.800
<v Speaker 3>And also because like people knew that they were friends

1533
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.159
<v Speaker 3>at this time, they were both writing comics, you know,

1534
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.960
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, Like it wasn't like, yeah.

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01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.319
<v Speaker 2>He denied the Lord of the Rings quote, and I'm like,

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01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that's what Why would you deny that?

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01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.560
<v Speaker 1>It's so clearly a Lord of the Rings quote.

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01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.079
<v Speaker 2>There's not much spoiler to talk about this because it

1539
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:29.520
<v Speaker 2>is it's not a bottle episode in that I think

1540
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:31.520
<v Speaker 2>the way Ali worded it is right, like we are

1541
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the themes continue, but from here on out, this episode

1542
01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really like we will, the Mark Cab will come

1543
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.880
<v Speaker 2>up in conversation again. I think in a future episode

1544
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.119
<v Speaker 2>they're going to destroy the jump gate near the Markab

1545
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.760
<v Speaker 2>planet for a reason that I can't remember, but they're

1546
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.720
<v Speaker 2>going to like it. Sure, it is going to choose

1547
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.720
<v Speaker 2>that one to destroy because people keep using it to

1548
01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:58.920
<v Speaker 2>go to Mark Cab and steal stuff. He's just like,

1549
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I hate Gray Robbers robbers, so let's just destroy that

1550
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:07.640
<v Speaker 2>jumping so that, like to preserve the planet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that's it for conversations too for this one.

1552
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:12.319
<v Speaker 3>I think so too.

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01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, next next week will be a big one for

1554
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:19.920
<v Speaker 2>conversation too, because, like we said, Lida and not quite

1555
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:27.920
<v Speaker 2>but very heavily implied girl kissing right, tragic lesbian dead

1556
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.680
<v Speaker 2>lesbian trope blah blah blah, that's gonna happen.

1557
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:35.159
<v Speaker 1>But it was the nineties.

1558
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:38.479
<v Speaker 3>Yes it was cover and I'll pretend it doesn't it

1559
01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:39.039
<v Speaker 3>isn't real.

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01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I think that's it though for today. So yeah,

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01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.680
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for joining us for this upbeat, happy,

1562
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:56.800
<v Speaker 2>peppy light episode. And if you like this discussion, you

1563
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 2>might like to see our reaction, which is up on YouTube.

1564
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.079
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1565
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:05.319
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1566
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:08.439
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01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:15.479
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1569
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:22.560
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1570
01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, and like to subscribe and hype us

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01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Up and do all that stuff, and we'll see you

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