WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.960 All right, let's get a draft time. Monday afternoon, eight 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.000 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. It's a nice 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:09.519 day outside. It's a lovely April day outside. It's about 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.199 sixty eight degrees. We've got some scattered clouds here in 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.439 downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. It looks like we're to 6 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:18.559 have a excuse me, a nice weather week, A spring type, 7 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.039 spring type weather week, according to the forecast, a nice 8 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:24.719 stretch of warm weather this week. And as it is 9 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:27.640 every single day, it's good to have you along for 10 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.359 the ride. Spence Jackets beyond the mic. That's Porter Larsen 11 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:34.159 beyond the Glass today, jam Pack Monday Show. Happy Monday too. 12 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:36.159 Hope you had a great weekend, a lot of great 13 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:39.240 sports action to get to We will crown a college 14 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:45.240 basketball championship tonight in San Antonio, Houston and Florida. After 15 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.000 Saturday night's drama, a epic collapse by the Duke Blue 16 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:53.200 Devils allowing Kelvin Sampson to advance the national championship game. 17 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:56.359 Houston is going to try to win the first national 18 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.320 championship in the history of that storied basketball program that 19 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.679 includes the like Akeem Olajuan and five slam Agema, So 20 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.799 Houston's trying to get it done out of the Big twelve. 21 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.079 Florida representing the best team in college here, excuse me, 22 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.760 the best conference in college basketball the SEC after they 23 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:14.840 were able to take care of the number one overall 24 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:18.599 seed Auburn on Saturday night. So six point fifty is 25 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.280 your tip time at the Alamo Dome in San Antonio. 26 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.599 CBS will have the coverage for you. Florida has not 27 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:27.239 won a national championship since two thousand and seven, the 28 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.359 second title day won in a back to back stretch 29 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.400 under Billy Donovan with Jokim Noah and now Horford and 30 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.719 Corey Brewer, one of the best college basketball teams really 31 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.760 in the two thousands. If Florida wins tonight, it will 32 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:43.400 be their third national championship since the year two thousand, 33 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.920 which would tie them for second only behind the Yukon Huskies. 34 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:50.879 So college basketball will crowd a champ tonight. We'll talk 35 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.120 about Saturday's action where if you are a Duke fan, 36 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:58.120 that one hurts. If you are a Cooper flag, if 37 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:02.640 you're the Kinnipple, if you're John Shier, that loss on 38 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.719 Saturday Night's gonna untch you for a long time. Of course, 39 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:10.000 the immediate reaction is does this change the plans of 40 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.879 Cooper Flag. I can't imagine that it does, but that 41 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.439 conversation is taking place. And can you imagine a few 42 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:20.520 Tad Jazz who are one in nineteen in their last 43 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:22.919 twenty basketball games and have three wins since the All 44 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:26.039 Star Break luck into the number one overall pick this 45 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:30.039 year and Cooper Flagg goes back to school. I can't 46 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.240 even believe I'm saying that out loud to into a microphone, 47 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.520 But it was such a collapse and it was not 48 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.919 Cooper's flag, Cooper Flag's fault. It was not Cooper's fault, 49 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.319 but a lot of conversation about what this means for 50 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.199 him and what it means for Duke moving forward. I 51 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.360 thought KNK Nipple was really good. I thought Duke was 52 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.560 the better team to start off the game, but Houston 53 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.439 was able to outscore Duke nine to zero in the 54 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.000 final thirty five seconds of the game and they march 55 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:59.680 onto the national championship. Speaking of college basketball, the latest 56 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.319 on the US top men's basketball situation. Ezrassar is now 57 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.719 in the transfer portal that broke over the weekend. While 58 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.120 we were off there, Alex Jensen opt on Sewan Show today. 59 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.159 We're gonna have AJ out at some point, So if 60 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.439 you miss that, you want to hear from the new 61 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.919 head coach of the Utes. ESPN seven hundred Sports dot 62 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.439 Com is where you go, So check that out there. 63 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:23.479 Good conversation that AJ had with Sean earlier in the 64 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.520 in the day part earlier today on the radio station 65 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:29.280 during Shawn Show, speaking of Utah Jazz. They got smoked 66 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.840 by the Hawks. They just lose to everybody, because of 67 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.840 course that's the deal. It is really tough to watch 68 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.039 if you are continuing to watch. If you're not a 69 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.280 basketball sicco like I am, like a lot of people 70 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:44.000 in this business are, and you're still watching, credit to 71 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.560 you or find a new hobby. One seven to one 72 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.520 thirty four, Quinn Snyder's Atlanta Hawks hung one forty seven 73 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.879 on Will Hardy's Utah Jazz. The Jazz have given up 74 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:58.000 one hundred and forty or more points in three straight games. 75 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.680 That's only happened three times in Jazz history and has 76 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:03.719 not happened in a number of years. This is the 77 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:05.840 worst team we've ever had here, There's no doubt about it. 78 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.319 Try to focus on the positives exercise and futility. I 79 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.599 guess Kant had a career high high five as they'll 80 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:14.719 call you, with his eleventh double double. There's nothing to 81 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.439 like about the team. There just isn't. I don't know 82 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.600 what else to say. So they're doing this intentionally. You 83 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.240 see what they can do in the draft. So we'll 84 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.360 get to the latest in the NBA as we are 85 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.680 high speeded to the stretch run of course happening now 86 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.279 and the playoffs right around the corner light night of 87 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.000 NBA basketball. They usually just make way for the National 88 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:40.319 Championship game Sacramento and Detroit, Philadelphia and Miami. So a 89 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.519 couple of a couple of NBA games tonight, but of 90 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.199 course all eyes on the college basketball National Championship seventeen 91 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:51.160 days away from the NFL drafts. I don't know if 92 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.199 it's a smoke screen, but cam Ward is now moving 93 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.519 towards your consensus number one pick latest with shid Or Sanders, 94 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.720 Austin genty where he gonna go, and a lot of 95 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.720 rumors surrounding the draft, which is less than three weeks away. 96 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:06.399 So always a good time to talk a little NFL 97 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:10.600 draft and a little offseason NFL Football spring football for 98 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.279 both Utah and by U rolls on a spring football 99 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.360 scrimmage for the Utes that was opened to some media 100 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:22.560 members on Saturday. And you know, Devin Dan Pierre looks awesome, 101 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:26.240 Date Johnson's fast. You know, spring football. What are you 102 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.639 gonna do? But it's a nice, nice excuse to talk 103 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.600 about spring football and where Utah football finds themselves prior 104 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.399 to year two in the Big Twelve. RSL gets a win. 105 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.720 Look at that, Maybe they don't need a striker, Maybe 106 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.120 Diego can score all the goals two niligans La Galaxy. 107 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.240 Over the weekend in America First Field, the Galaxy are, 108 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.560 you're defending MLS champs, but they have not won game 109 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.040 all year long, and RSL sends them home with a 110 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.680 two zero loss in both of those goals scored by 111 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.519 Diego Luna, who over the weekend was honored as the 112 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.439 Utah Male Athlete of the Year at the STATA Sport Awards. 113 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:03.000 So congratulates to Diego and RSL with a much needed 114 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.319 three points. We are about two and a half weeks 115 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:09.240 away from the summer. Excuse me, the primary transfer window 116 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.040 closing in the spring window. It'll open up again in 117 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.759 the summer, and still no word on RSL bringing in 118 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.519 some reinforcements for Pablo and his staff. There will be 119 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.480 an announcement, I'm told, in the coming weeks, and maybe 120 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.319 even less than that, about this ownership transition becoming official. 121 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.040 We'll get to some of those storylines as the Miller 122 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.920 family is about to take over the business interest side 123 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.560 of RSL. Ryan Smith will be out entirely, which is 124 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.600 probably a good thing, and then Dave Blitzer will maintain 125 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.000 a portion of ownership, and of course being part of 126 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.560 that Blitzer umbrella is a good thing. So all the 127 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.000 latest on the RSL side of things. Utah Hockey Club 128 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.120 is getting set to finish off their year and what 129 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.920 a year it's been. It will not culminate in a 130 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.399 playoff appearance, but it's been fun to have hockey here 131 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:56.319 in the market. Seattle's going to be in town coming 132 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:58.360 up tomorrow for a seven o'clock drop of the puck. 133 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:01.839 Alex Ovechkin is all time leading goal scorer in pro 134 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.120 hockey history. And yeah, we haven't even talked about the 135 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.680 biggest week potentially in the world of professional golf all 136 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:11.399 year long. It's augusta week. It's Master's week rain knocked 137 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.839 the players off the course today. The par three is 138 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.839 set for tomorrow and round one excuse me, Par three 139 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:19.839 is set for Wednesday, and Round one of the eighty 140 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.920 ninth playing of the Masters Championship at Augusta Golf Club 141 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.560 and Augusta, Georgia will be Thursday. Scottie Scheffler, Roy Macelroy, 142 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:29.959 your two favorites. We'll get to Augusta storylines throughout the 143 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:32.800 course of the show. So, like I said, a little 144 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.680 bit of everything, there you go. The table is set 145 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.680 for some college basketball, for some NBA basketball, for some 146 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.959 NFL draft, or some Utah Hockey club, for some RSL soccer, 147 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:44.279 and some Masters golf. How about that? Did I leave 148 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:44.720 anything off? 149 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:44.839 Oh? 150 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:48.319 Yes? The Yukon women won another national championship. Geno rim 151 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.240 is twelve and one in National Championship Games wild see 152 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.319 the Yukon women win their first title in nine years, 153 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.480 a nine year title drought. That shows you the standard 154 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.160 the Yukon hoops has when nine years between national championships 155 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.639 is called the drought baseball two, how about that? All right, 156 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.199 let's get into the show. Josh Furlong, We'll be our 157 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.000 first guest. Right out of the Gates. Josh covers the 158 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:12.920 youths for our friends over at Kiss so I we'll 159 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.079 do some Utah spring football, some Utah basketball. The Red 160 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.639 Rocks are going to the Nationals for the forty ninth 161 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.319 straight year, which is pretty remarkable, So Josh will stop 162 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.879 by for all things Utah Athletics, NBA Daily Systyle with 163 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:29.000 Tom Haberstrow, who caught some strays on the show last 164 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.720 week after comparing Cooper Flag to Kevin Garnett. His buddy 165 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.799 Zach Harper hopped on the show and it took Tom 166 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.519 to task a little bit. So let's create a beef 167 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.240 between Tom and Zach today. At least that's the goal. 168 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:42.000 Belle Frasier, one of our favorites from the trip. She 169 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.200 covers the Utah Hockey Club. We'll do a little NHL 170 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:47.600 with Bell and then Tony Parks, the voice of the Bees, 171 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.159 longtime radio host in this market. We'll be live in 172 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.639 studio as we are now in the midst of baseball season. 173 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.159 The Bees have made a move, and we'll do just 174 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.240 a bunch of different local storylines with my I got 175 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.360 a TP coming up on a Monday, So Josh for long. 176 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.720 Tom Haberstrow, Bell Frasier, Tony Parks, Me, Spence check Ats, 177 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.519 all of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter 178 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.679 Larsen producing booking the show on a Monday. You know, 179 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.200 you and I never played for a paycheck. You and 180 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.440 I never played for anything that anybody cared about. But 181 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.320 you didn't. You don't have to be an ex pro 182 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.600 to remember a loss or a shot you missed or 183 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.279 a catch you dropped when you were playing competitively that 184 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.960 you still think about to this day. And look, Cooper 185 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.480 Flag is going to go on to be a great pro. 186 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:36.480 I'm all in on him. There are very few holes 187 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.679 in his game. That's the type of loss that if 188 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.200 you're Konko Nipple, if you're Cooper Flag, if you're John Shy, 189 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:44.360 or if you're the Duke Blue Devils, that one doesn't 190 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.080 escape you. Man. That was a epic folding of the tents. 191 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:51.000 Now, that's that's one that when you drop that kind 192 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.000 of lead over that that amount of time. You know, 193 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:58.480 my favorite thing in sports to watch, I'll be entirely 194 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:02.440 honest with you, Tracy, with the thirteen points in whatever 195 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.519 however many seconds, you just don't really see it very often. 196 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.679 I'm a Knicks fan, so you go back to Reggie Miller, right, 197 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.679 who had the inbailed steal three. 198 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.200 You're gonna do that to me on a Monday. I'm sorry. 199 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.200 I'm sorry, dude, I was there. Thanks a lot. Anthony 200 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:17.279 Mason may rest in peace. 201 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.240 Friend of the program, Eric Mika texted me during that 202 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:23.240 game because when I was a freshman, he was a freshman. 203 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:25.919 I was sitting on the very end of the bench. 204 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.799 But my my hometown team won a state title over 205 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.679 his high school team, scoring eight points in thirty five seconds, 206 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.679 the final thirty five seconds of the game, and that 207 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.240 to me is like the only relation. Luckily, we were 208 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.159 on the good side of that. We were on the 209 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.039 the elation of the night that time. But man, it's 210 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.399 got a it's got a sting, especially when you make 211 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.759 a few mistakes right when a player comes down in 212 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.559 like the McGrady situation, just makes crazy shot after crazy shot. 213 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.840 That's one thing. When you have a technical, when you 214 00:10:59.919 --> 00:11:03.720 have an over the back foul, when you have a 215 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.960 kind of self imposed errors, Man, it's got a sting. 216 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.000 And yeah, Duke Duke is out of it. It's a 217 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:12.360 It was a crazy one to watch. 218 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.799 I do get the feeling that the Duke college basketball 219 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.159 program is the Cowboys, the Lakers, the Yankees. I think 220 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.879 a lot of people very much enjoyed that collapse. Yeah, 221 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.279 you know, if it wasn't Duke, I think yeah. So Anyway, 222 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:28.879 a lot of conversation about what this can mean for 223 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.679 Cooper Flag. But let's get into it as college basketball 224 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.039 will crown it's national chant tonight. Josh Forlong is our 225 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:36.759 first guest right out of the gates. But before we 226 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:40.159 get to Josh, courtesy of our good friends at Prize Picks, 227 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.039 it is time now on a Monday, for your opening tip. 228 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.679 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check its on Utah's 229 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:49.080 number one sports talk. Now into the studios of ESPN 230 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.720 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. 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Run your game all season long. 250 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.879 All right, so we've got Houston, We've got Florida tonight. 251 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.679 For all the marbles, Vegas believe this is going to 252 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.919 be a very very close game. The game opened up 253 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:02.879 as Florida as a minor fi MIAs won and it 254 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.840 has now moved to Florida minus one point five. According 255 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.440 to bet MGM. The over under is one forty one 256 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.559 point five, So Florida a just a scoach of a 257 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.600 favorite Tonight should be a really, really good game. This 258 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:19.600 is only the fifth time in college basketball tournament history 259 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.600 that the two teams playing for national championship are both 260 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.279 number one seeds and both won their conference tournaments. The 261 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.720 other four times this took place, the game was decided 262 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.320 by single digits. All of those four games were very, 263 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.720 very close. I'm not expecting any type of a blowout. 264 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.360 Florida is looking to win their first national championship since 265 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.320 the second national championship Billy Donovan won back in two 266 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.840 thousand and seven with really one of the most underrated 267 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:50.200 college basketball teams in the history of the sport, with 268 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.960 Al Horford and Jochem Noah and Corey Brewer. Really good 269 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.039 teams under Billy Donovan. Of course, he is now with 270 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.799 the Chicago Bulls. He's parlayed his college success into a 271 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.679 lot of money in the pros. So Florida if they 272 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.200 win tonight, it'll be their third national championship since the 273 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.399 year two thousand. That's tied for the second most behind 274 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.559 the Yukon Huskies. And they're led by this Walter Clayton 275 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.919 junior kid who is stone cold, I mean talk about 276 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.840 ice water in his veins, does nothing but hit big shots. 277 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.240 He is by far their best player. They've got a 278 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.720 lot of good bigs, and both these two teams tonight 279 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.919 really really rebound well, specifically on the offensive end. So 280 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.039 that's something to watch out for. Is Florida was able 281 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.480 to beat the number one overall seed, Auburn Tigers, who 282 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.960 went away from Johnny Broom in the second half. Johnny 283 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.960 had fifteen points total, but he had twelve points with 284 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.080 eighteen minutes left in the game. He only had three 285 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.799 points in the final eighteen minutes, and they just started 286 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.120 chucking up threes and they started panicking a little bit, 287 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.879 and Florida just kind of held steady and they rode 288 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:54.240 Walter Clayton Junior and his ability to just make big 289 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.600 shot after big shot after big shot, off to catch 290 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.240 off the bounce going right, going left, a lot of 291 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:01.720 high pick and r ball screen action to get him loose, 292 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.320 a lot of dribble handoffs, because they have a lot 293 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.759 of bigs that are really, really skilled. So Todd Golden's 294 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.440 thirty nine years old. You guys might remember him from 295 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.679 the West Coast Conference days to coach San Francisco. If 296 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.159 Todd wins tonight, if Florida wins tonight, Todd will be 297 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.039 the second youngest head coach in college basketball history to 298 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:20.919 win a national championship at the age of thirty nine, 299 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.519 the only coach that younger would you know if he wins, Actually, 300 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.080 the only coach that is younger on record to win 301 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.960 a national championship was Jim Valvano, who's thirty seven years 302 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.840 old with Big T thorough Daily and the NC State 303 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:35.840 wolf Pack back in the day. On the other side, 304 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.440 Calvin Sampson at the age of sixty nine, if he 305 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.600 wins tonight, If Houston wins tonight, he will be the 306 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.600 oldest coach in the history of the sport to win 307 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:47.039 his first national championship. So, of course we are now 308 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.320 a big twelve foot print once upon a time of 309 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.080 pack twelve foot print. And so I've watched Houston play 310 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:57.440 all year, and there are times, and of course oftentimes, 311 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:59.480 if you're a radio host in Salt Lake City, you're 312 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:02.440 gonna approach this through the paradigm of what it looked 313 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.799 like when the local teams played against this team. And 314 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:11.399 watching Houston play both Utah and BYU this year, I 315 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.519 just I felt bad for the Utes and the Cougars 316 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.679 when they played the Houston Cougars. It didn't look like 317 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.639 a fair fight. When Utah went to Auburn, excuse me, 318 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:24.120 when Utah went to Houston, they lost seventy to thirty six, 319 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.799 and it honestly wasn't that close. That game was over 320 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:29.879 within five minutes. I can remember watching the game and 321 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:32.320 the announcer referencing the stat where at one point, I 322 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:36.200 think the Utes had eight turnovers and three baskets. Houston 323 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.799 is big, their physical, it's a veteran group. We'll get 324 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:40.200 to this in a minute. I think this is one 325 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.039 of the reasons why they're able to beat that young 326 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.720 duke team. A bunch of big, strong adults, a bunch 327 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.279 of ground ups in the room, and veteran players that 328 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:50.799 have played a lot of college basketball. But in the 329 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.879 two games they played against BYU, it wasn't any better. 330 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.639 I mean they smoked BYU eighty six fifty five, and 331 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.720 then in the Big twelve tournament it was seventy four 332 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.679 to fifty four. And BYU was good this year. I mean, 333 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.839 that's the scary part. Houston and BYU it looked like 334 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.920 JV versus varsity and BYU was a Sweet sixteen team. 335 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:17.319 That's how physical, that's how imposing, intense, and quite frankly prescient, 336 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.279 Houston seems to be on defense, which is why watching 337 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:26.519 them hang in there and then ultimately capitalize on the 338 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.880 mistakes of this youthful Duke Blue Devil team really wasn't 339 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.240 much of a surprise if you've been watching Houston all year. 340 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.960 What was a surprise is the absolute epic meltdown by 341 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.519 the Duke Blue Devils on Saturday night. And there's no 342 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:43.880 other way to put that outscore nine to zero over 343 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:47.160 the final thirty five seconds of the game. The Scion 344 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.720 James kid, who's a good player for John Shier, Like, 345 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:51.359 at what point are you going to try to let 346 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.880 somebody else inbound the basketball? Like let con Kinipple try it. 347 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.880 CON's a physical, strong kid who doesn't seem to be 348 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.720 afraid of the moment. And poor Scion on those two 349 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.359 turnovers down the stretch that ultimately cost him the game, 350 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.559 he just looked rattled. Now, one thing, and we'll catch 351 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.119 a break here in a moment. But one thing I 352 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.160 want to push back on is this conversation that's become 353 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.680 too tiered since Saturday night. And number one, is this 354 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.519 an indictment on Cooper flag? No, it's not at all. 355 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:24.920 Cooper had their only bucket of the final I think 356 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.559 nine and a half minutes that corner three, The over 357 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.839 the back foul that they called on Cooper Flag was 358 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.400 an atrocious call. And yes, was he part of the 359 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.720 group that melted down. Of course, And as I said 360 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.559 earlier when I was talking with Porter, I don't care 361 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.319 what if you ever played sports, It doesn't matter. Like 362 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.000 even if you never played anything that really matter. Chances 363 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.160 are you remember a game that maybe you missed a shot, 364 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.240 you made a turnover, you lost when you shouldn't have. 365 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.319 This loss for Duke is not going away anytime soon, 366 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.400 and honestly probably ever. Like if you're sigh On James, 367 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:03.319 you're gonna remember those turnof If you're Cooper Flag, do 368 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.279 you want this to be your last game in college? 369 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:08.720 And of course the conversation has turned into does this 370 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:13.759 motivate Cooper Flagg to come back to Duke? Now, the 371 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:17.039 side of the argument that makes sense is that Cooper 372 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.720 is a young eighteen year old Okay, So that's one 373 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.759 of the things that came into play here. LJ. Crier, 374 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.400 Juan Roberts. These guys are in their mid twenties. These 375 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.440 are twenty three year old players that have been playing 376 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.960 for a long long time. They are five, sometimes almost 377 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:34.599 six years older than Cooper who reclassified and should be 378 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.480 a senior in high school. Cooper Flagg should be getting 379 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.119 ready for prompt or did prom already happen? I don't know. 380 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:42.279 Cooper Flagg should be getting away, you know, getting ready 381 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.920 for graduation from high school. Reclassifies, goes to Duke as 382 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.480 a freshman, and the reason I bring up his age, okay. 383 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:53.160 Juxtaposed this to the Richie Saunders conversation, does Richie Saunders 384 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.039 come back to play for BYU? Right? So, over the 385 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:57.880 next few weeks, Richie is going to go through the 386 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.079 pre draft process where he and reps his family as 387 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:05.680 agent or whoever. We'll talk to NBA teams and they'll ask, Okay, 388 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.359 what's your what are your thoughts on our guy? Do 389 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.440 you think he could be drafted? Are you interested in 390 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.599 drafting him? I don't think he's a first rounder? Okay, 391 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:16.480 but is he a second rounder? And he's is he 392 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:19.359 the type of second round pick that you like enough 393 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:21.799 that if he falls to you, you're gonna give him 394 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.079 a three or a four year deal. It doesn't happen 395 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:26.119 all the time, but it does happen with second rounders, 396 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.160 and if Richie gets the feedback that he can start 397 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.359 his NBA career now, I very much believe he has 398 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.640 no choice but to go do that because he's twenty 399 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.480 three and he's coming up on twenty four. So the 400 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.240 reports are BYU wants Richie back and they're willing to 401 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:43.079 pay him seven figures and that's great, Okay. So if 402 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:45.680 Richie goes through the draft process and he doesn't get 403 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.880 positive feedback, go make a couple million bucks and play 404 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.680 basketball for Kevin Young and go try to win a 405 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.400 Big twelve. No issue with that. But if he has 406 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.079 a chance to start his NBA clock, he's got to 407 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.119 go do it now because of the age of twenty three. 408 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.759 Because what you want to do is an NBA player 409 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.640 is proved throughout your rookie contract that you have earned 410 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.920 it to be able to be paid even more as 411 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.039 a second contract guy, third contract guy. That's when the 412 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.240 generational wealth starts filling in. Okay, So two different timeframes. 413 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.200 Richie Saunders, twenty three, if you have feedback that says 414 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.160 you can play NBA basketball, I think you got to 415 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:24.319 go do that. Cooper flag Young, eighteen year old, if 416 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.039 he wants to wait another year because talk about nil. 417 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:30.680 I don't know what Duke's nil situation is. But if 418 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:33.359 Richie Saunders is a two two and a half three 419 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.000 million dollars a year guy, what is Cooper? And if 420 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.400 you're Duke, are you willing to put together a package 421 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.839 that's like ten mil next year to bring him back 422 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:44.359 for one more season because he's good enough? And you 423 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:46.359 know the other thing to keep in mind here is 424 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.480 the Malu watch kid and then Conk Nipple. All three 425 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.799 of those players are thought to be lottery picks. Do 426 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:56.240 those three get together and decide, Okay, Duke, this is 427 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.920 what's going to cost you to have all three of 428 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.839 us for one more year. And we're willing to come 429 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.119 back for one more year because we're all teenagers, as 430 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.480 opposed to getting the clock rolling on my NBA contract 431 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:10.599 to get the second year, you know, the second contract 432 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.039 coming my way as a max player for Cooper flag 433 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.319 well year one as a rookie. Even if you're there 434 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.640 not number one pick, Duke could probably pay Cooper more 435 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.319 money for one year to bring him back than he 436 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:24.160 could get his first year as a pro. Now, I 437 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:26.720 find all of this much ado about nothing because I 438 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.799 just believe that if you're a generational player like Cooper 439 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.240 is and you've stayed healthy, I think you've got to 440 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.240 go get it started. That's my opinion. And maybe I'm 441 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:38.519 being selfish here because the last thing I would want 442 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:41.960 in the second week of May is to be sitting 443 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.319 there when it's lottery night and Lady Luck finally shines 444 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.200 on the Jazz and they grab number one overall and 445 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.359 then Cooper announces that he's going back to do Can 446 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.359 you imagine that? Would that be the most Utah jazz 447 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.039 thing of all time? So yeah, just throwing that out there. 448 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.200 But Houston and Florida tonight for all the marbles. Just 449 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.960 before seven o'clock on CBS, as March Madness will conclude, 450 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:08.359 Collish basketball will crown it's national champ tonight on the 451 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.839 men's side after the Yukon women got it done over 452 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:14.799 the weekends. Gino rim It's twelve and won in national 453 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.799 championship games. That is a mind blowing stat. Houston Florida tonight, 454 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.440 six fifty Mountain Time on CBS Florida as of now, 455 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.240 is a one point five point favorite represented the SEC. 456 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.680 Of course, Houston out of the Big twelve and Josh 457 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:31.839 Furlong will join us right out of the gates. And Josh, 458 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:34.240 if you've been watching Big twelve basketball all year long, 459 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.680 you're probably not too surprised to see the Houston Cougar's 460 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.599 playing for the national championship. Is that fair? 461 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:41.519 Yeah? No, I think this is a team that they 462 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.240 play together, they've been consistent, they've been together for a 463 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.000 long time, and so you know, they're a tough team 464 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.480 to beat. I mean, when I put in my bracket, 465 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.160 they're the team that I actually put to win it all. 466 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.240 So it wasn't a surprise to me by any means. 467 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:55.880 You know, Florida's obviously a good team. They've got some length, 468 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.839 So I'm really fascinated to kind of see how this works, 469 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.279 especially with offense and in kind of the defensive prowess 470 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.160 that that Houston brings. So it should be a really 471 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.000 fun matchup. I mean, the fact that they can even 472 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.279 beat Duke was was pretty remarkable. But love it so, Uh, 473 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.559 you can't ask for anything more in a in a 474 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:13.359 championship game. 475 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:15.559 Since you brought it up, one more thing here, then 476 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:19.440 we'll get onto the Utah content portion of the interview. Look, man, 477 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.880 I you know, I don't care what level you ever played, uh, 478 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.599 if you ever played you know, competitive sports, uh, of 479 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:31.000 any condo, on any level. Their chances are there's a 480 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.480 missed shot that you think about while you're trying to 481 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.680 go to bed. There's a game that your team lost 482 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.519 that you think about, that you that you wonder, uh 483 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:40.240 you know, I should have, would have, could have, what 484 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.759 have you. I don't care what Cooper Flag goes on 485 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:45.359 to do the rest of the way. And I think 486 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.119 he's got I'm all in on him. I think he's awesome. 487 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.759 Conka Nipple, the Malawatch kid, Like, that's a team full 488 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.759 of stars. I don't know, Josh, that you ever quite 489 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:58.160 forget a loss that Duke, A loss the likes of 490 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.440 which Duke suffered to the hands of Houston. That was 491 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.920 one of the most epic collapses I think I've ever seen. 492 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:05.839 Oh absolutely. I mean I remember looking at the clock 493 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:08.240 thinking like, there's no way Houston really getting into this, 494 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.000 and just little by little it just felt like Duke 495 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.480 was kind of, you know, the whole definition of that 496 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.880 f around and find out the situation right, Like, I 497 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.279 don't know if you can put that on the radio, 498 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:24.240 but I think this was just, you know, a situation 499 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.559 where Duke just kind of felt comfortable and obviously they 500 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.480 relied a ton on Cooper Flag, but he was the 501 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.319 only one that was able to generate anything, and so 502 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.960 when he didn't, you know, they really had nowhere to turn. 503 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.720 And suddenly you've got a Houston team that got momentum 504 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:38.599 and it all changed. 505 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:39.759 But like I think if. 506 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:41.160 You were to tell me that that was going to happen, 507 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:42.759 especially with like a minute left of the game, I 508 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:44.759 still don't know that I believe you, especially the way 509 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.440 that it did. So definitely one for the ages. But yeah, 510 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:49.960 you have to feel for Duke. I mean, that's going 511 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.480 to be one that sticks with you for a very 512 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.319 long time and I don't know that you can shake it, 513 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:55.160 especially with how that went down. 514 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.559 And I don't know what this means for where Cooper 515 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.640 Flags had is that of the conversation over the past 516 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.519 forty eight hours or so have been like does this 517 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.240 motivate him to come back to school? And you know, 518 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.559 I kind of roll my eyes at that. But at 519 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.759 the same time, he turned eighteen, like three and a 520 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.400 half months ago or so, he is a young eighteen 521 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:20.200 year old and josh I cannot imagine what the reaction 522 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:24.160 would be if we're sitting here watching the draft lottery. 523 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.759 I think it's May twelfth, if I remember correctly, and 524 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.039 Lady Luck shines on the Jazz they grabbed number one overall, 525 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.400 and then Cooper Flag announces he's going back to Duke. 526 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.720 Can you imagine the reaction in this city. 527 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.759 It would be the most like perfect thing that would 528 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:41.680 happen to Utah the one time they finally get the 529 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.119 number one seed and Cooper Flag, the guy that they've 530 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.279 been taking for decides to stay in college. I mean, 531 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.400 I think, yeah, I don't even want to know what 532 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.079 that would do to people. I mean, I think people 533 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.920 were okay with the Jazz tanking and you know, within reason, 534 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.079 but then to not get somebody like Cooper Flag would 535 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.480 just be devastating, you know, a generational talent. But that's 536 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.359 the age of nil now, man. I mean, I think 537 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.400 you know, he can obviously go get paid a fairly 538 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.279 great wage at Duke, and if he really wants to 539 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.920 get that national championship, you know, good for him. But 540 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.599 you know he'd be crazy not to. In my opinion, 541 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:18.440 I mean, I think, you know, all it takes is 542 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.240 an injury to derail things. At least if you're in 543 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.039 the NBA, you've derailed it and you're in the NBA, 544 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.839 so you know it would be crazier things would happen, 545 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.599 But it would be the Jazz luck to have that 546 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.039 happen where they get the number one pick and then 547 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:32.640 everything goes to crap. 548 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.039 Well, let's hope that does not go down, but only time. 549 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.440 We'll tell Josh. Let's move over to some Utah stuff, 550 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.079 and let's start with a piece of news. It appears 551 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:43.480 to be very positive. I'm not going to be the 552 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.960 radio host that claims that I was grinding on Fairley 553 00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:50.799 Dickinson tape last year. But Terrence Brown was their leading scorer. 554 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.240 He's one of the top scorers in the country, and 555 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.480 he is a rising junior, which means technically he has 556 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.160 three years to play with the grad transfer stuff and 557 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.480 a cently the background is he knows Raphael Chilias. But 558 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.119 Utah Lands, who, according on three, is a four star 559 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.559 transfer with a composite ranking of nearly ninety two out 560 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.680 of one hundred. So again I'm not overly familiar. I've 561 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.160 just been reading about him or watching some highlights. He's 562 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.839 a pretty impressive young six to three sophomore. What do 563 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.119 you make of this piece of the puzzle that Alex 564 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.039 Jensen and his staff were able to dial in. 565 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:24.640 Yeah, I'm not going to pretend to know a ton 566 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.960 about you know, Fairleigh Dickinson or anything other than their 567 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.720 tournament roun a few years back, But I mean, this 568 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.400 is a guy that, you know, when you look at 569 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.799 what Utah needs to be able to compete, or at 570 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.119 least what they haven't had for the last few years, 571 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.039 it's been guard play, and it's been outside shooters or 572 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.759 guys that can be able to create their own shot, 573 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.079 and Utah seemingly found that with Tams Brown. You know, 574 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.640 he's a guy that you know, averages about twenty point 575 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.440 six points per game, five point six rebounds, three point 576 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.400 two assist, So he seems like he can do it 577 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.960 all and is kind of a contributor of the offense 578 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:56.319 more than what Utah's had. 579 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:57.079 Now. 580 00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.720 Obviously, you know, how he's able to translate to the 581 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.759 Big twelve game will be the biggest thing. But I mean, 582 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.799 when you're going in there and the first guy that 583 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.440 you pull out of the portal, outside of getting Keanuds 584 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.279 to withdraw from the portal. This becomes a huge get 585 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.079 for Utah just you know, being able to get a 586 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.920 guy that they feel confident in, that can score, that 587 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.839 can do a lot of things at guard play. You know, 588 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:21.640 he's a combo guard, so you know, I'm curious to 589 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.480 see how much he'll have the ball in his hands 590 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:25.559 or if he'll be the guy that they set up. 591 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.839 But I mean, you still need great guard play, and 592 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.480 especially in the Big twelve, you need that. So I 593 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.720 think this is Alex Jensen working early to be able 594 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.319 to work on those connections with with Chilias, but also 595 00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.519 it's being able to address the needs that they've seen 596 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.640 in the past and kind of his mindset of he 597 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.519 wants this team to be able to run fast, we 598 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.359 have some tempo and be able to do that, and 599 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.039 the best way to do that is with guard played. 600 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.599 All right, So that's piece number two of the puzzle. 601 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.799 And we're still learning about some of these other players 602 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.160 and whether or not, you know, Alex and his staff 603 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.680 are trying to get any of them back. So let's 604 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.480 move over to some of those pieces of news. And 605 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.920 I've got your Twitter feed pulled up. So, according to 606 00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:10.000 an account, you retweeted a running Hoops Running Hoops podcast. 607 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.359 They're reporting the Josh Eilert will not be returning next season. 608 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.160 I don't know that this is surprising, although you did 609 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.920 join us pretty quickly after the news came down that 610 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.359 Craig was out and the rumors were swirling that Alex 611 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:26.640 was going to be in, and you made a really 612 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.319 interesting case that essentially Josh, with two decades a Big 613 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.559 twelve experience, might be a guy that Alex looks at. 614 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.799 Josh rolled in a studio a few weeks ago, we 615 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.440 spent some time together. Seems like a great guy. Moved 616 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.039 his family out here, I believe three children, and this 617 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.440 business oftentimes is unkind of family dynamics. So what are 618 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.319 your thoughts on the news that you know? And I 619 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.160 have no idea if AJ even talked to him, but 620 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.799 Josh Eilert will not be returning in any role next 621 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.079 year for Utah basketball. 622 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.119 Yeah, I mean, I know. Alex Jensen was. He was 623 00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.359 in town last week meeting with the players, meeting with 624 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.119 the staff and trying to get his lay of the 625 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.839 land on kind of what he could do for the 626 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.240 for the you know, ever since Chileus is the first 627 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.880 one that he hired there's been a lot more emphasis 628 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.400 being placed on wanting to get his NBA guys, Guys 629 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.160 that he feels like he has a great connection with 630 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.799 guys that have kind of that NBA pedigree, and for 631 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.200 whatever reason, Josh Eilert didn't kind of pad them out there. 632 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.640 I mean, I think, when you know, I made the 633 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.480 case that if you're going to bring Josh Eilert on, 634 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.160 it's mostly because of your ability to be able to 635 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.200 scout the big twelves and being able to understand what 636 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:34.400 goes on there. But since those conversations that we had, 637 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.920 you know, I've kind of heard that there was a 638 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:38.759 little bit more waffling there, especially with. 639 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:39.640 The entire staff. 640 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.079 There's still questions on guys like at David Evans or 641 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.039 a low Lease. Obviously they provide connections to whether it 642 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.559 be the AAU circuit or in David Evans's case, where 643 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.000 you know, obviously he's coached in the state of Utah, 644 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.559 He's got a lot of connections there. He also has 645 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.839 a great international recruiting base that he can pull from. 646 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.640 There's there's still questions remaining about them. I think the 647 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.160 longer this goes on, the less likely it becomes. 648 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.880 But I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised. 649 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.240 If David Evans is the guy that they hold on to, 650 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.599 if they hold on to somebody, I think just from 651 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.599 the Utah standpoint alone, that gives you, you know, the 652 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.880 connections inside the state, which look, you know, Utah have 653 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.279 some good recruiting, but like you also need some guys 654 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.440 that can go out there and recruit from other areas, right, 655 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.079 And I think with his ability to recruit outside of 656 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.920 the country, yeah, you know the international circuits, I think 657 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.079 that gives you a leg up. But look, I mean, 658 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.319 I think there's so many different guys that you can 659 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.000 go to. I don't know that it's a huge miss 660 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.960 if you don't take any of these guys, but I think, 661 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:41.920 you know, these are guys are going to have to 662 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.240 fall in line with what the way Alec Jensen wants 663 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.839 to do it. And you know, for whatever reason, it 664 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.079 seems like Josh Eiler just wasn't the fit there. Whether 665 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.039 it was his own choice or whether it was Alex's. 666 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.319 You know, I haven't heard anything but that direction, but 667 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:55.960 you know, you wish him best. 668 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:56.559 He's a good guy. 669 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.880 He's kind of a no nonsense guy, but also kind 670 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.000 of stays out of the line by just happy to 671 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.160 kind of work hard and get a team going forward. 672 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.559 So tough to see that, but I think Utah or 673 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.960 Alex Jensen specifically has an idea of where he wants 674 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:10.160 to go. 675 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.200 While we're in the space of talking about Alex's staff, 676 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.799 you know, right out of the gates coach Chillius, and 677 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.599 then about a week later, Wes hired as the GM 678 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:25.079 and it's been quiet since then. Any insight and Alex 679 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.440 hopped on Sean Show earlier today and talked about his 680 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.480 desire to have a staff that's maybe a little bit 681 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.559 smaller than what we've seen in college basketball as of late, 682 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.640 which to me is great. I mean, there's like ten 683 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.319 coaches on all these teams now, and so we'll see 684 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.160 how this thing kind of takes shape. But do you 685 00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.960 have any information on the progress or maybe lack thereof 686 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:45.119 and filling out the staff. 687 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.200 Yeah, I know he's definitely been working hard to be 688 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.519 able to kind of get his guys. I know that 689 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.640 there's an NBA guy that he's still trying to work on, 690 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.799 and whether that comes down to the NBA season or 691 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.759 some other factors, I'm not entirely sure, but I know 692 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.119 he wants, you know, at least one more NBA guy. 693 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.400 And then outside of that, he's you know, trying to 694 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.319 find some connections to the state of Utah, trying to 695 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.800 find a good connection that will allow you to be 696 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.800 able to whether that be recruiting or just being able 697 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.679 to kind of have that that guy that's been in 698 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.400 the state in people's homes or whatever that may be, 699 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.360 that that is kind of recognizable that way. So you know, 700 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.800 he's definitely being intentional with this. This isn't something where 701 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.599 he's trying to hire a staff immediately so that they 702 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.119 can get going for this next year. He's definitely looking 703 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.760 long term, right. I think he's not trying to just 704 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:35.679 kind of put a band aid over something real quick 705 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.599 as he's dealing with, you know, what he's at in Dallas. 706 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.079 He's definitely trying to be intentional. I mean, he said 707 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.119 as much in his inturgal press conference, right Like, he 708 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.400 said that he was going to take his time, he 709 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.360 was going to do it, and you're you're definitely seeing that. 710 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.559 I think, you know, he wants people to buy into 711 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.039 his process. He wants people that are going to to 712 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.960 maximize kind of his potential, especially if he is going 713 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.079 to take that small staff, and I've heard the same thing. 714 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.880 I don't think he's going to blow up the staff 715 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.360 and make it some massive thing. You still need your 716 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.159 directors of operations, you still need more assistant coaches, you 717 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.840 need some other things that way. But I think he 718 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.280 really attacked it hard and showed kind of his hand 719 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.960 by getting Raphael Chilius as an assistant coach and then 720 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.760 getting Wes Wilcox as a general manager. He showed kind 721 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:20.760 of the direction he was going where this is going 722 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.000 to be my focus. I'm going to focus on the recruits. 723 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.159 I'm going to go from the NBA style and go 724 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.880 from there. So I don't know that he feels the 725 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.199 need to necessarily get something immediately, especially because he's got 726 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.679 those proven guys that are able to kind of be 727 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:36.559 in the system already. 728 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.159 We did get some news over the weekend Ezrasar has 729 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.880 entered the transfer portal. Of course, Ezra had a lot 730 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.320 of bright moments playing for Craig this year, including the 731 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.199 BYU game here in Salt Lake, and you know, I 732 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.239 know he has children elsewhere in the country, I think 733 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.719 in the Midwest, so maybe he's looking to get closer 734 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.760 to home. He did feel like one of the candidates, 735 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.079 along with Keanu Dawes, who will be back playing for 736 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.920 the You so maybe Alex would take a long hard 737 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.239 look at and maybe they still are. But can you 738 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.679 shed some light on this information and whether or not 739 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.280 Ezra is still considering maybe staying here in Salt Lake. 740 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.639 Yeah, Utah's definitely still in conversations with Ezra. You know, 741 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.840 I think they want him, but I think they're gonna 742 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.039 want him at the right price. I know we have 743 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.280 to say that now in college basketball in college football, 744 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.559 which is crazy, but I think, you know, based on 745 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:32.039 his skill set, obviously he had tremendous abilities and tremendous upside, 746 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.199 but there's still limiting aspects of his game where he 747 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.760 kind of loses the ball on the post. He's not 748 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.360 able to, you know, really shoot outside of maybe ten 749 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.199 fifteen feet. Great guy around the rim, but outside of that, 750 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.599 his game is pretty limited. So I think, you know, 751 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.280 they want him. They want him to be able to 752 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.239 be a complimentary player to probably Keanu does. Especially since 753 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.239 Keanu has shown that he can be a bit more 754 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.480 of a well rounded player, maybe his upside is a 755 00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:59.559 little bit better, and so if they can get him 756 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.400 for the right place, one hundred percent they're gonna take him. 757 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.039 But I think at this point, you know that if 758 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.559 if the market's not there, Keanu is the guy that 759 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.719 they're going to build around. He they've clearly made an 760 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.440 emphasis that, you know, they wanted to be able to 761 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.800 have him as kind of their their focal point of 762 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.440 this team. And so if you can build around Keanu 763 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.119 and you can have other players that can kind of 764 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.920 work in that system, that helps, and whether Ezra fits 765 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.320 in that or not, I you know, I would be 766 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.559 surprised if he comes back, just based on everything and 767 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.800 kind of how this roster, you know, even though it's 768 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.360 not a large roster, but how this roster is taking shape, 769 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:34.920 I would be surprised if those are two players that 770 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.440 really kind of complement each other in the game. They 771 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.480 have kind of a similar skill set outside of Keanu 772 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.000 having a better shooting outside of the post. So, I 773 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.920 you know, I know fans really got to love Ezra, 774 00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:47.440 you know, I think he was a great guy that 775 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.559 spoke well, he was a great guy that fought for 776 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.000 the team. But I think at this point, unless the 777 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:55.719 price isn't right, you know, I think it's time to 778 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:56.760 move on from. 779 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.679 Ezra instead of going down the list. One more basketball 780 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.599 quest and then we'll move on. Do you think there 781 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.519 are any other players currently quote on the roster in 782 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.280 the transfer portal that Alex is talking to trying to 783 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:12.400 get back, whether it's Jake Wahaleen or any of the 784 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.480 other players, Yeah. 785 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.320 You mentioned it. I mean it's Jake Walleen. He's the 786 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.280 guy that I think they really want to see come back. 787 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.599 The strike that he made year over year from you know, 788 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.320 his first year to last year kind of shows where 789 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.360 he can go, right. They're excited about that. I know 790 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.960 other in state schools are really pushing hard for him, 791 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.119 and so I you know, this isn't going to be 792 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:35.280 an easy thing. At the end of the day, Jake's 793 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.320 you know, as all these players do. He has to 794 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.000 do it's best for him. But I know that they're 795 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.079 really interested in him and want to see him develop. 796 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.480 But I know a school up north that is is 797 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.679 absolutely pushing hard for him. So whether that comes down 798 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.760 to money or kind of a better fit, whatever that 799 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.239 may be, you know, he's going to be a hot 800 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.320 commodity at least in the state alone. And you know, 801 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.719 whether Utah gets him or not. You know, it can 802 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:58.400 be a loss, but I don't think it has to be. 803 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.679 They needed more out of him from an outside of 804 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.480 shooting perspective, and so if he does come back, I 805 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.159 think that's where you'd see them definitely grow and try 806 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.519 to push his game because he's got he's got a 807 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.679 tremendous upset as well. I mean, he gets into that post, 808 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.079 he's able to rebound to the high rate, but they 809 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.159 do need more shooting from the outside to make his 810 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.880 game translates a little bit better with what Alex wants 811 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:19.119 to do. 812 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:21.719 All right over to the football side of things is 813 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:27.039 there was a scrimmage on Saturday where media was allowed 814 00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.079 to watch, which doesn't happen often. There was once upon 815 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.079 a time where it happened all the time, but of 816 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.960 course things change and people get weird about access, as 817 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.960 we've talked about. So any main takeaways from that scrimmage, 818 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.400 anything you've fan should know, Yeah, I. 819 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.400 Mean, I think the big takeaway from from this scrimmage 820 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.639 alone is that Devin Dampier's the guy, right, I mean, 821 00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.320 and not there was any questions, but I think there's 822 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.119 a noticeable enough difference between Devin Dampier and the rest 823 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.239 of the quarterbacks, and right now that's Isaac Wilson and 824 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.920 Bird Fickland. Those two have been the guys that have 825 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.440 been backing him up. But I really think a guy 826 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.519 like Bird Ficklin, who who he needs to put on 827 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.639 a ton of weight, you know, just size. He's a 828 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.360 smaller bodied guy right now, but he's got one of 829 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.480 the best balls that that any of the quarterbacks have. 830 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.519 You know, he's starting to make tremendous strides and so 831 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.639 you're starting to see Bird kind of pushing Isaac a 832 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.000 little bit. Isaac obviously needs to rebuild that confidence that 833 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.440 he had after kind of just taking out last year 834 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.679 based on having the whole offense on his shoulders and 835 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.159 and it just not going well. But by it, Marge, 836 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.280 I mean, I think this team, it's it's making the 837 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.679 right progressions that it needs to make right. I think 838 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.599 one of the questions about this this offense specifically, is 839 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.039 that there wasn't really going to be a huge passing game. 840 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.280 And you know, there's there is an emphasis more in 841 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.239 the run game. As you know, over the last few years, 842 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.519 they've wanted to push more of the passing. But I 843 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.559 think Utah's utilizing this in a very effective way where 844 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.119 they're being diverse and how they run the ball and 845 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.440 as such, they're being able to use that to be 846 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.480 able to open up a lot of these receivers. And 847 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.280 you know, right now, there's not like a standout guy 848 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.079 in that wide receiver room that says, Okay, it has 849 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:08.920 to be that guy, you have to throw it to him. 850 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.280 It has to be you know, whoever it is, whether 851 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.000 it's Dorian Singer or whomever it was. You know, now 852 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.679 it's much more of a spread it out distribution, and 853 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:21.239 there's a lot of guys factoring into that and included 854 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.159 in that as the tight ends. You know, Lennon King 855 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.519 and Dallan Bentley who who had a great scrimmage, they're 856 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.719 factored in there. But I think the way that Utah 857 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.559 is setting this up where they're going to put the 858 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.639 run emphasis there, well, they're still kind of making it 859 00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:37.480 a multi dimensional situation, whether that be with Devin Dampierre 860 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.079 who can pass a run, whether that's with Nate Johnson 861 00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.159 or even Hunter Andrews. Hunter Andrews has got some tremendous 862 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.320 speed and we're starting to see kind of his potential. 863 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.199 This offense can be really fascinating, and I'm really curious 864 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.320 to see how this continues to develop over the offseason 865 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.280 because I think they could be a very potent offense 866 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.400 if these things continue. 867 00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:58.400 I was going to ask you about the wide receivers, 868 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.199 but you kind of broke it down there pretty well. Well, 869 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.320 So before I say you lose, there will be another 870 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:08.000 transfer portal window opening for Kyle and his staff with 871 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.719 the ability to add to the group. Any thoughts, Maybe 872 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.159 it is wide receiver, but any other holes on either 873 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:15.599 side of the ball that you think they're going to 874 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.840 look down to before we actually played football come fall, Yeah. 875 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:20.199 Wide receiver. 876 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:21.719 They're going to try to find a guy that can 877 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.679 be kind of that wide receiver one right, Whether that's 878 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.800 there or whether they can get it is, it remains 879 00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.480 to be seen. But that's going to be a big focus. 880 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.639 And then defensive line, you're going to get those defensive 881 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.840 tackles where you need some more depths there. They've got 882 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.760 some good frontline talent, but the guys behind them are 883 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:41.960 either young or they've been in the system a long 884 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.000 time and have been injury prone, and so you just 885 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.559 need more guys, more bodies there. Defensive ends, you're going 886 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.519 to be okay, the defensive tackles you're going to need 887 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.119 a little bit more. And then outside of that, I 888 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.559 mean it's just kind of best player available. I mean, 889 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:57.679 corner would be nice to be able to add another 890 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.760 guy and that to be able to more depth. But 891 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.519 I think your big focus going into the transit portal 892 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.400 is going to be a wide receiver defensive tackle. 893 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.280 All right, Josh. By the way, you were on television 894 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:12.079 during one of the pressers, how long has it been 895 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.119 since you shaved? That beard is getting weird? 896 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:19.079 Man, It's been twenty twenty is when I started growing it. 897 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.000 So I'll turn it up from time to time, but 898 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.079 I'm keeping the beard as long as I can. Maybe 899 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.920 it's motivation to get me to get skinny. Then I 900 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.199 can maybe skip shave again. 901 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.199 All right, man, Well do your thing. It looks good. 902 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.920 As long as the wife likes it, you're good to go. 903 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:35.559 Yeah, yes, right. She actually didn't like it before, and 904 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.280 now she doesn't want me to see it shaved, so 905 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.239 it's a good thing, I guess. 906 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:40.639 All right, brother, thanks for the time. I have a 907 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:41.000 good week. 908 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.559 All right, Thanks you too, all right. 909 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.800 Josh Furlong covers the University of Utah, for our friends 910 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.159 at KS. I'll stop spot today courtesy of our friends 911 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.199 at IFA Country Stores. If you've been out and about 912 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.840 over the past twenty four forty eight hours, you are 913 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.679 feeling spring conditions. Spring has arrived. 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What's going on with you and there? 925 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:29.280 What's the deal? 926 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:33.360 I guess kind of not officially, but yeah. The first 927 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.719 two songs going with a little Tom Petty, so maybe 928 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.400 we'll keep it going with maybe not no, you can 929 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:40.679 roll with it, but you do. 930 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:45.440 You are aware this is a family friendly program, right Yeah, 931 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.159 And your first Tom Petty bump songs about weed, dude, 932 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:49.840 just be better. 933 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.840 Mary Jane's a sweet girlfriend of his. 934 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:56.760 It's weed. Just say no, kids, I'm just I'm the 935 00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.800 one that has to clean up for your poor musical 936 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.719 choices by reminding the masses that we're here to take 937 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:02.840 care of families and children. 938 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:05.199 Is that our demographic? 939 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.719 Yeah, just say no. It's all I'm saying. 940 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:11.000 I think that sheet said like thirty five seventy Maile. 941 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.920 Okay, fair enough. Our next guest passes on grass like 942 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.239 Greg Fokker from Meet the Parents. Tom Haberstrol Monday afternoon. 943 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:21.159 Hello Tom, how are you? 944 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.920 I'm good man, how are you? I like that you 945 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:26.639 make that presumption about me. 946 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.760 Well, if you'd like to discuss your weeat smoking habits 947 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.880 on air, Tom, I'm happy to make the space. 948 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.920 No, this is a family program. You're absolutely right, I think, yeah. 949 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.880 Yeah, yeah, it is what an interest? Now? This is 950 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.559 still this is still live radio. This is not a podcast. 951 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.559 We have to behave ourselves in a way that people 952 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:44.840 like you and Zach Harper do not. 953 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.480 Yeah, we we have to remind ourselves that we're professionals, 954 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.840 because everything in our lives just screams on professionals. So 955 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:55.840 thank you for the reminder. 956 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.480 Yeah, no, you guys are very professional. But you know, 957 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.800 you can drop a bomb here or there, or you 958 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.800 can discuss things on podcasts that you can't discuss on radio, right, 959 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:06.320 I mean that's kind of the deal. 960 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.719 You tell me Spence, you're the one with the radio show. 961 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.719 Well, when I go on podcasts, it seems like there's 962 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.480 a little bit more freedom to use certain terms. Is 963 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.559 that fair to say? 964 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.840 Yeah, yeah, you know what, I'm just surprised you went 965 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:28.360 with weed. That kind of feels like another maybe like 966 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.320 a graduate level program compared to just marijuana, you know, 967 00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.280 like feels like it feels like it's a little inside baseball. 968 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.280 Nice job, my bad bubonic product. I've got a bunch 969 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:40.880 of terms so we could use if you want to, 970 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.239 but we can move on. I'm speaking of Zach Harper. 971 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.320 He does not, like you're Kevin Garnett is Cooper flag 972 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:47.519 com Just so you know. 973 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.880 Well, Zach is way smarter than me on all things basketball, 974 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.440 so I would trust him on all those things. But 975 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.559 you know what, he's also a Minnesota Timberwolf lifer, so 976 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.880 he probably understands that comparing anyone to KG is like 977 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.239 any Bulls fan hearing people compare anybody to Michael Jordan. 978 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.239 Okay, fair enough, fair enough, And it's funny because of 979 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:16.000 all the comps that I've heard, the Garnett one actually 980 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.679 tracks when you watch the way the Cooper can guard 981 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.000 and how well he moves. I mean, look, I think 982 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.440 you know, whether it's Kawhi or whether it's Garnett. Whenever 983 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:27.920 you compare an eighteen year old to Hall of famers, 984 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.840 you're gonna get pushed back. Is there anything about the 985 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.639 way Duke went out that could potentially affect the way 986 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:35.800 people view Cooper at all? 987 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.239 I don't think so, Considering he's the youngest guy on 988 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:43.079 the court by why margin, he was going against a 989 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.440 lot older guys, And as much as I want to 990 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.119 pin it all on him, I thought that the over 991 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:55.599 the back call that they whistled on him was very borderline. 992 00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.480 Didn't feel like the right call at that stage. The 993 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:06.519 physicality in the game feels like that was something you 994 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.400 might call him the beginning of the game to set 995 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.599 the tone for the rest of the game. But the 996 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.519 way that Houston was being physical with Duke, I was 997 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.400 flabbergasted at that call. And look, he missed the shot 998 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.760 there at the end, But He'd made those shots time 999 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:25.559 and time again, so I don't think that that was 1000 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.760 a bad shot. What really stands out to me is 1001 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.639 Malowatch having zero rebounds in over twenty minutes of action 1002 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:40.079 and that Duke had no rebounds after the four minute mark. 1003 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:45.559 That's insane. And some of that falls on Cooper Flag 1004 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.320 for sure, but it's one game. It's a huge game. 1005 00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.719 And if the Duke Blue Devils went out in like 1006 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.199 the second round or then the Sweet sixteen, I would 1007 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.239 have a lot harsher words to say for Cooper Flag 1008 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.920 and John Shire and Duke. That was an epic collapse. 1009 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.119 But I wouldn't put this put this all on Cooper Flag, 1010 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.239 and it wouldn't change my evaluation of him. 1011 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.960 That's the type of lost Tom. I don't care if 1012 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.159 it's you know, Pete Van Sicklin and Ernie Verena and 1013 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.719 Staples in nineteen ninety five. It doesn't matter what level 1014 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.159 you played, it doesn't matter how long it's been. A 1015 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.719 loss like that. I don't think ever fully leaves you. 1016 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.519 Like if you're John Schi, if you're Conkain Nipple, the 1017 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.639 Malawatch kid or Cooper like all of them are probably 1018 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.519 gonna go on those All three of those kids are 1019 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.559 lottery picks. They're gonna make millions of dollars and play 1020 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.039 basketball for years. But the way they went out, I'm 1021 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.079 not sure a loss like that ever fully leaves you. 1022 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.239 It's traumatic, it's the best way to describe it. As 1023 00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:44.440 a basketball player. It's you're always gonna think about it, 1024 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.719 like if you're up six with thirty six seconds left. 1025 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.960 For the rest of your career, you're going to be 1026 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:51.400 thinking about San Antonio. 1027 00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:52.960 You're gonna be thinking. 1028 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:56.800 About what happened against the Houston Cougars. And that's that's 1029 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.360 the fact of the matter. For any athlete who's ever 1030 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:03.199 suffered a loss like that, you are always going to 1031 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:04.880 have it in the back of your mind. Now, time 1032 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.280 heals all wound, so eventually it'll fade for memory and 1033 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:13.079 it won't be so harsh and searing of a loss 1034 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:18.599 over time. But I can't imagine that anyone who suffers 1035 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:22.400 that kind of loss. I mean, I'll tell you what, 1036 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.079 I don't know. If you watch the White Lotus, oh yeah, 1037 00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:31.639 it seems. I mean the text that I got from 1038 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.880 all my buddies in North Carolina, it was the duke 1039 00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.840 shirt with the dad Ratcliff with the gun to his head, 1040 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.880 and I was sitting there being like, that feels like 1041 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.960 we're in a simulation now, because how is White Lotus 1042 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.360 picking the one team that has the most depressing most 1043 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.480 I can't believe that just happened loss, the most brutal 1044 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.760 loss of the tournament, and it happened right before the 1045 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.440 finale of White Life, which feels like we are part 1046 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.920 of this simulation where it's all connected in some way, 1047 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.639 just like in the White Lotus season finale. No spoilers, 1048 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:11.280 but that was one of the big themes, was how 1049 00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:16.320 we're all connected in some way, and that finish by 1050 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:20.760 the Blue Devils did feel like this was preordained somehow 1051 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.760 that it would promote the White Lotus season finale that 1052 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.960 was last night. And I'm still gathering my thoughts on 1053 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.039 both the Duke loss on Saturday night and White Lotus 1054 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.840 on Sunday night. But both of them felt like big 1055 00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:35.920 events in the year twenty twenty five, and. 1056 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.719 I was wrong about both. Just to be clear, I 1057 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.519 do not see either coming. But yeah, we'll leave the 1058 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:44.000 spoiler alerts for White Lotus software today. I do have 1059 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.559 one more question, Tom, and I don't think there's anything here. 1060 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.199 Let me be clear, my personal opinion and my personal 1061 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.559 belief is that Cooper is leaving. He's going. He's a 1062 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.480 generational player that's going to be the number one pick, 1063 00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:00.920 and he is healthy, so you gotta go do that. Okay. Now, 1064 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.000 the other side of it is he is a young 1065 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.360 eighteen year old. He turned eighteen I think three and 1066 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.599 a half months ago, and a taste in your mouth 1067 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.079 like that to leave college maybe something that motivates him 1068 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.880 to come back because of his age and five years ago, 1069 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.159 this is a conversation we would not even be having. However, 1070 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:24.559 I could actually foresee whether it's you know, Cooper, Kahn, 1071 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.159 k Nipple, the Malawatch kid, all three of them saying, look, 1072 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:31.039 we know we're lottery picks, but we're all young, we're teenagers. 1073 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:34.199 And if Duke wants to step up with an NIO 1074 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.800 package that will pay them more for one year than 1075 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.599 what all of them could make as rookies in the NBA, 1076 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.159 to run it back and try to get john Shire's 1077 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.599 first national championship, I guess I would say stranger things 1078 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.559 have happened based off the current landscape, and I'm sitting 1079 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.840 here shaking my head because I'm now imagining a scenario 1080 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.239 on May twelfth when the NBA lottery is held and 1081 00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.840 the Jazz get number one, and then the next day 1082 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.159 Super Flag announces that he's going back to Duke. I 1083 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.039 do not know what it would be like around here. 1084 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.039 What do you what do you pain? 1085 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.679 Yeah? Oh man, oh man, I don't even want to 1086 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.480 think about it. But any shot in hell that that 1087 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:13.679 actually goes. 1088 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:18.199 Down, I think it's even less likely now than it 1089 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.639 was before that collapse, because I think there's no upside 1090 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.280 in coming back. There's the only way that you have 1091 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:30.159 redemption or that you win that equation is if you 1092 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.400 win the National Championship, right, Like anything short of that 1093 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.840 is just making more salt in the wound. And I 1094 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.920 think when you lose in the final four in epic 1095 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.760 fashion like that, there's only one way to forget that 1096 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.840 whole thing and to make those wrongs right is to 1097 00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.679 win it all the next year, and just with a 1098 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:55.039 one and done style format of the NCAA tournament. I 1099 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.760 just I don't see the upside there being worth it, 1100 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.760 because in the NBA, you can make the argument that 1101 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.159 like a team's that much better than everybody else in 1102 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.920 a seven game series. You have a better shot of 1103 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.360 asserting your dominance in a seven game series, not in 1104 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.920 a one and done where something flukey can happen and 1105 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:15.880 everything collapses like a house of cards. So I think 1106 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.519 before that Cooper Flag championship or the Final four loss, 1107 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.280 I would say there's better odds if they win at all, 1108 00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:26.639 that he would come back and do it again like 1109 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.199 Jokim Noah and Al Horford did. Then if they had 1110 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.719 this cataclysmic loss in the Final four, and I would 1111 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:39.320 just say, there's also this dynamic of dabansa next year 1112 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:45.559 where if he Cooper Flag comes back, and Canipple comes 1113 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.599 back and Malawatch comes back, there's an excellent draft class 1114 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.519 coming through next year that they're going to have to 1115 00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.599 be competing for draft picks next year, and not only 1116 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.760 competing for draft picks or draft slot, you're competing for 1117 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.400 millions of dollars first year salary or at least rookie 1118 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:07.679 scale salaries. So I think the risk for Cooper Flag 1119 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:11.199 actually got even higher in deciding to come back. So 1120 00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:13.079 I agree with you, I don't think it's gonna happen, 1121 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.480 and I think it's even more of a long shot, 1122 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.039 A long shot that turns into even more of a 1123 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:22.559 long shot. If they lose that game in horrific fashion. 1124 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.360 I think it's I don't even I don't think it's 1125 00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:30.360 gonna happen. But you know what, stranger things have happened, 1126 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.159 like blowing a what was it a nine point lead 1127 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.880 with a minute twenty left? What was the what was 1128 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.679 the largest gap there probability? I think it was that 1129 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.400 six point lead with thirty two seconds left. 1130 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.719 Yeah, they were up nine with a minute. They were 1131 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.599 outscored nine to zero over the final thirty five seconds. 1132 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:53.239 And you know, strictly from a basketball standpoint, I felt 1133 00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:57.559 really bad that john Shire didn't I felt bad for 1134 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.440 the players that John Shire didn't dial up a different 1135 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.159 inbounds play. They tried the same inbounds play over and 1136 00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:06.360 over and over. They were trapped in the corner. They 1137 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.000 overcame a Houston player reaching over the end line to 1138 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.480 try to swap the ball out of I think it 1139 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.840 was Nipple's hands where Duke got a teck and possession, 1140 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.599 like the pion. James kid is a really good player, 1141 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.840 just looked panicked to trying to inbound the basketball. I honestly, Tom, 1142 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.840 I have tremendous respect for Duke basketball and John Shire. 1143 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.280 I thought their coach let them down down the stretch. 1144 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.679 Yeah, and then he forget about the caniple kick out 1145 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.199 of bounds that went the wrong way. Yep, And it 1146 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.760 was it was a it was a crazy finish to 1147 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.280 that game. And you're still watching like wow, wow, like 1148 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.599 how did that happen? And there have been times where 1149 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:48.840 what was it the I seem to remember Maryland coming 1150 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.360 back against Duke down ten? Was it the other way 1151 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.840 around where it was like wojo, and like, I'll never 1152 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.559 forget if you're up by ten with a minute left. 1153 00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.760 Ever since that that loss happened, I've never forgotten it, 1154 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.559 Like I've always in my head, no matter who it 1155 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.199 is who's playing no ten point lead with a minute left, 1156 00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.519 his states like I wanted to be fifteen and this 1157 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.320 is the same sort of game. Well, I will for 1158 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.480 a long time look at a six point lead differently 1159 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.880 with thirty three seconds left NBA or college basketball, because 1160 00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.559 that just happened in one of the biggest stages. So look, 1161 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.000 I think it's been a rough collapse for the Duke program. 1162 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.280 You know, when you talk about losing to NC State 1163 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.559 a year ago, and then losing to UNC and then 1164 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.639 losing here. It's been a really tough road for Duke. 1165 00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:40.719 But I am not crying for them as as a 1166 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.760 wake forest, a lump based here in Charlotte who grew 1167 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.519 up a tar Heel fan. I'm not shedding any tiers, 1168 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.559 but like you, I had Duke winning it all and 1169 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.320 maybe that was an emotional hedge for me. 1170 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.199 The game you're talking about, I remember it now. It's 1171 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:58.280 the miracle minute. That was Jay Williams. That was that 1172 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.559 Maryland team with Wan Dix's and Steve Blake. Boozer was 1173 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:06.039 on Duke, as was Mike dud Levy and Chris Duhant. 1174 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:08.960 Duke came down, came back from ten minutes from ten 1175 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.679 points down with a minute twenty left to play. That 1176 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:13.679 was two thousand and one. I do remember that game 1177 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:14.400 now that you mention it. 1178 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.639 Yes, that was. That's the game where it's kind of scarring, 1179 00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.599 where once once that happens and you've seen it with 1180 00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.159 your eyes, you're just like, yeah, no, no, ten point 1181 00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.360 lead with a minute left is safe, and you know 1182 00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:33.239 there's I think if this was a bunch of eighteen 1183 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:37.039 year olds going at it, you know, like seniors in 1184 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.239 high school and Cooper Flag had that kind of collapse, 1185 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.639 I'd probably put a little bit more weight, like why 1186 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.639 couldn't it be dominated more down the stretch. But because 1187 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:47.960 some of these guys are you know, fifth year seniors 1188 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.880 and twenty two year olds, twenty three year olds in 1189 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.079 some cases, like I'm not sweating it for Cooper Flag, 1190 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:58.679 but it does give me a lot of excitement, you know, 1191 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.039 a lot of debate going into the draft that otherwise 1192 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:03.800 wouldn't have been there if he had run the table. 1193 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:06.400 I feel like we would just be running out of 1194 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.400 things to say about Cooper Flag because he's that good. 1195 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:11.559 And now we can actually, you know, to a little 1196 00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.159 bit of me dow on that bone of is there 1197 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.599 something that we're missing, because I think it is healthy. 1198 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:20.159 A little bit of a little bit of doubt or 1199 00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.760 a little bit of criticism is healthy for a prospect 1200 00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.840 where the bar isn't so high that he cannot physically, 1201 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.480 you know, reach those expectations. Because the only one that's 1202 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.400 ever done it, in my opinion, is Lebron James. And 1203 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.679 I mean it's just hyping someone to that degree. We 1204 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:43.000 did it with Zion Williamson, we did it with Anthony Davis. 1205 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.960 Cooper Flag, to me, feels like as big of an 1206 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:52.519 American prospect as we've had in decades. And Wenby doesn't 1207 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.719 count because I don't think America really knew what we 1208 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.360 were talking about with Wemby because he was French and 1209 00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.320 because he hadn't played college hoops over here. But this 1210 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.400 feels like Cooper Flag losing in the final four. It 1211 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.559 feels like it might be some healthy adversity for him. 1212 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.599 Maybe I'm just I'm Roase color glasses year, but I 1213 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:16.000 think for Utah the I do not see Cooper Flag 1214 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:19.480 returning to Duke for another year, even if let's say 1215 01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.719 another team that he's not super enentuies about. I think 1216 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.639 the odds of him returning actually decreased after that catachclismic loss. 1217 01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.880 Tell me what before we do some NBA, before we 1218 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:37.000 say you lose a lot of conversation about this tournament. Specifically, 1219 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:40.719 I think there was one, maybe two overtime games. I 1220 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.519 think there was one game winner. There were no Cinderellas. 1221 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.280 Now all four number one seeds leads high quality basketball. 1222 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.400 I thought Saturday was awesome and I'm excited for the 1223 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.880 game tonight, But what's the Tom Haberstrow take on the 1224 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.880 NCAA March Matdis Tournament of twenty twenty five. 1225 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.320 I think it's better to have big name program in 1226 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.800 the final four than having a Cinderella run and then 1227 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.599 end in like the Elite eight. Like I think, all 1228 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.920 things considered, this is going to be great for ratings. 1229 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:12.920 It was great for the national conversation. And while as 1230 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.400 much as I like a good Cinderella, a good Saint 1231 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.119 Peter's a good George Mason, when it comes to the 1232 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.320 final four, I feel like we all collectively understand that 1233 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.079 they don't really have a real chance of winning this 1234 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.679 whole thing. Whereas all four of these teams that were 1235 01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.239 in the final four, you wouldn't be surprised if anyone 1236 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.920 made the distance, and that kind of intrigue and that 1237 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:36.360 kind of those stakes felt bigger with the final four 1238 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:40.480 being all the top seeds basically, And I would say 1239 01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.199 it's the same thing for the NBA. As much as 1240 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:48.199 we don't as much as we say and claim that 1241 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:53.239 we want parody, I think what fans really want secretly 1242 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:58.719 is Steph Curry going against Lebron James for the eighteenth time. 1243 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.559 I think people want that, they want rivalries. They want 1244 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.440 brand names, household names in the end, and there's a 1245 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.679 little hipster in everybody that wants Hey, wouldn't it be 1246 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.480 cool if it was Memphis versus Indiana in the NBA 1247 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.440 Finals this year? At the end of the day, I 1248 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:21.840 think Boston LA or Cleveland LA in the finals more 1249 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.960 people would care about that than if it was even 1250 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.639 Okay See. I feel like people would want to say, 1251 01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:32.119 it'd be great to see Okay See up there Cleveland. 1252 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.159 What a great NBA Finals that would be. But at 1253 01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.440 the end of the day, that would draw half the 1254 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:40.199 audience of a Lakers Cleveland or a Lakers Boston series. 1255 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.360 And the same thing goes for college basketball. We want 1256 01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.519 the blue bloods, we want the big name programs, we 1257 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.079 want the number one seeds there at the end. But 1258 01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.480 I can understand the argument that the Cinderella is the 1259 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.679 fact that we didn't get really any Cinderellas into the 1260 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:56.159 Sweet sixteen or close to it. I can understand. 1261 01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:56.719 I think the. 1262 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.599 Optimal thing is a couple Cinderella's early on, and then 1263 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:01.639 we see the big dogs down the stretch. 1264 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:05.559 So Oklahoma City in the midst of a historic run. 1265 01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.360 They just went nineteen and won over a twenty game stretch, 1266 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:12.360 but they have lost back to back games at full strength. 1267 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.880 You know, all their players played at Houston and then 1268 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.599 they got trounced by the Lakers. And I will say 1269 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.679 as a fan of this game, watching two players like 1270 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.440 Lebron and Luca and dialing in on them and watching 1271 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.880 them kind of figure it out is pretty fascinating with 1272 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.679 the way they think about the game. But any concern 1273 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.599 at all as we only have a handful of games left, 1274 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.360 four or five for most teams, with where Oklahoma City 1275 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.559 finds themselves, there's just a couple l's, is all. 1276 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.559 I think it's two l's with incredibly hot shooting on 1277 01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:47.719 the other side, like those are tough shots. The fact 1278 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:53.280 is that it took two sun like the surface of 1279 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.639 the sun, shooting nights to beat OKAC And not to 1280 01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:58.760 say that they aren't beatable, but if they weren't such 1281 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:03.639 outliers from downtown where they're combined against Houston and the Lakers, 1282 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.119 they shot over fifty percent from three point land and 1283 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.000 that's that's the recipe, and that's the recipe for against 1284 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.159 the ninety six Bowls or the twenty seventeen Warriors. Like 1285 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:17.320 you need to have an outrageously hot shooting night in 1286 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.599 order to topple the Oklahoma City Thunder. And you can 1287 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:27.599 sit here and say like they they exploited a weakness, 1288 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:30.199 et cetera, et cetera. But it's a make or miss league, 1289 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.440 and that means the same for Okay seeing the rest 1290 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.440 of the team is that if the opponents, like the 1291 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:36.800 Lakers in the Houston Rockets, are gonna shoot lights out 1292 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.079 against you, they're gonna win. They're gonna win every once 1293 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.440 in a while against the Thunder, But in a seven 1294 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.079 game series, I don't see the Lakers hitting twenty two 1295 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.559 threes on fifty five percent shooting from downtown. And if 1296 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:51.440 they do that, then yeah, they're gonna win the series 1297 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:55.760 against Oka. See, but I just don't see that being sustainable. 1298 01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:57.920 Let me ask you about a couple of teams out 1299 01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.440 this way that I don't really think we've just discussed 1300 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.800 very much. And the Clippers went through this stretch where 1301 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:07.360 they lost six of seven, and then since then they're 1302 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:11.360 fourteen and three in their last seventeen, with wins over 1303 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.199 the Pistons, the Knicks, the Calves, the Grizzlies, a couple 1304 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.280 wins over the Knicks and I could keep going. I mean, 1305 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.320 there's some wins over bad teams in there. But you know, 1306 01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.199 every time Kawhi is healthy and every time he decides 1307 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.000 to be engaged, we're all reminded of like, oh, yeah, 1308 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:29.119 that's who he is when he decides if basketball is 1309 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.880 important and he actually is healthy. Are you buying any 1310 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:34.400 of this? Are they a legitimate threat to do some 1311 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:36.440 sort of special thing come playoff time? 1312 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:38.960 Man, I'm going to let you in on a little 1313 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:43.000 teaser here that if you subscribe to my newsletter Tom 1314 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.960 Thefinder dot com, you'll see it in there, but I'll 1315 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.119 give it to your listeners here. And just with the 1316 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:50.840 knowledge that I'm going to give you something, please go 1317 01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.920 subscribe Tom Thefinder dot com free, your paid doesn't matter. 1318 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.119 This stat blew me away when I was working on 1319 01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:01.880 it over the weekend. I wanted to know when Luca 1320 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.840 and Lebron are on the floor, or when Fred VanVleet 1321 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.960 and Alburn Shangoon are on the floor, or John Morant 1322 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:12.920 and Jaron Jackson Junior on the floor, Haliburton and Siakam. Basically, 1323 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.800 when each team has their star players on the floor, 1324 01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.320 what is the point differential? How much do they outscore 1325 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:24.360 opponents with their stars on the floor. And the fact 1326 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:29.239 of the matter is the Clippers have the best on 1327 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.800 court net rating for their stars on the floor, meaning 1328 01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:36.000 when James Harden and Kawhi Leonard are on the floor 1329 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.000 for the Clippers, they're outscoring opponents by whopping thirteen point 1330 01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:43.320 two points every one hundred possessions. You look at any 1331 01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:47.840 star collection in the NBA for all the title contenders Cleveland, Okay, 1332 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:54.760 see Boston, Lakers, Minnesota. You look at when the Cleveland 1333 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.440 Cavaliers have their four all stars on the floor, and 1334 01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:01.880 I'm counting Jared Allen there too, Carlyn Mitchell, Evan Mobley 1335 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:05.679 and Jared Allen. They're at plus ten. Kawhi and James 1336 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:10.320 Harden and Zubots on the floor, Norm Powell on the floor, 1337 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:13.880 Derreck Jones Junior, when Harden and Koi are on the floor, 1338 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.639 they're at plus thirteen. No one else is higher than that. 1339 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.800 And that really shows that when those two are healthy, 1340 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.639 James Harden and Kawhi Leonard, they're going to compete at 1341 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.000 the highest levels. And I mean against okay, see I 1342 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.239 mean against the Lakers, I mean against anybody. And one 1343 01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.599 thing that's interesting that kind of got obscured by the 1344 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:38.320 huge Lakers win yesterday. Is that Lebron James and Luka 1345 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:43.360 Doncic have the lowest star net rating among all the 1346 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:47.840 title contenders. They're barely above zero, barely above zero. And 1347 01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:50.880 that is interesting. I know that it's an you know, 1348 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.679 Luka Doncic just got acquired, he's working back from his injury. 1349 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.599 But most of the title contenders have their stars. When 1350 01:07:57.599 --> 01:07:59.960 they're on the floor, they blow out opponents by doubled 1351 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:03.519 and the Lakers are a huge outlier in this. That 1352 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:08.599 Lebron James and Luka Doncic are basically breaking even when 1353 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.599 they're on the floor together, and that, you know, one 1354 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:17.640 game sample size of yesterday barely nudged them above the 1355 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.600 mendos or the break even line, And that's really interesting. 1356 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.039 No one else is in the same territory as Lebron 1357 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:26.399 and Doncic on the floor. They've got to figure out 1358 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.640 a way to maximize those two guys. And last night 1359 01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.079 was incredible and Austin Reeves has been great, But it 1360 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:37.920 is interesting that the Lakers there have been some blowouts 1361 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:42.119 that they've been enduring since that trade. Is this is 1362 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.079 a source of concern for the Lakers, and definitely a 1363 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:50.159 source of appreciation for what Kawhi Leonard and he's healthy, 1364 01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:51.760 and James Harden and he's healthy. 1365 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:55.039 What they can do, Yeah, whatever Kauhi is healthy for 1366 01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:57.960 an extended period of time, I'm always just reminded of, like, Yeah, 1367 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.560 there was a moment in time in his career that 1368 01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.880 we actually considered him maybe the best player in this 1369 01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:08.119 league outside of Lebron. And I'm realizing this in real time. 1370 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:09.840 And I'll ask you about one more team before he 1371 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.720 sets you loose, like the Clippers. The Timberwolves went through 1372 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.560 a stretch they went two and six over an eight 1373 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.760 game period. They even lost to the Utah Jazz, which 1374 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:23.159 does not happen very much. Yeah, and then after that, 1375 01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.920 they're also fourteen and three in their last seventeen with 1376 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.399 some good wins, including a win over the Nuggets, and 1377 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.720 I could keep going, you know, two wins over Denver. 1378 01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:37.079 So are you buying the recent surge from Minnesota? Are 1379 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:41.119 what are their chances to make some noise come playoff time? 1380 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.560 As that's right around the corner. 1381 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:46.439 So for my title tiers that just came out this morning, 1382 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:49.960 I actually upgraded the Clippers to a four Star tier 1383 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:54.560 and the other team on that tier the Minnesota Timberwolves. 1384 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.800 They're elite on both ends of the floor. They're tenth 1385 01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:02.439 on offense adjusted for their opponent schedule and fifth defensively 1386 01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:08.000 adjusted for their opponents strength. So this team is top 1387 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.880 five on defense, top ten on offense, and with their 1388 01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.079 health on their side, now that they're healthy, they're really 1389 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:18.439 deep and they're good. And nos Red I think is 1390 01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.479 the better option. That's to Rudy Gobert in crunch time 1391 01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:24.399 and in the postseason rather than Julius Randall. But that's 1392 01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.560 a good problem to have, like when you got two 1393 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.199 studs there. And I'm lower on Julius Randall than most people, 1394 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:32.760 But when you have the option to have a stretch 1395 01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:36.880 five or a stretch four like nas Red instead of 1396 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:39.199 a bully like Julius Randall, if you need to go 1397 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.399 one on one and a guy to get you a bucket, 1398 01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:46.640 probably lean towards Julius Randall. If Anthony Edwards is, you know, 1399 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.520 fatigue down the stretch or dealing with foul trouble, don't 1400 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.520 want to get a charge against them or anything like that, 1401 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.439 you got options. And this team with doctor Deevin Chenzo 1402 01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.439 also stepping up his game, being one of the most 1403 01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:00.880 efficient scorers in the NBA over the last couple months. 1404 01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:04.439 This team is a four star contender. I still think 1405 01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.760 that the Golden State Warriors are in a tier above 1406 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.479 along with OKC, Boston and Cleveland. I've got four teams 1407 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.359 in the five star tier. And that loss yesterday by 1408 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:18.840 the Golden State Warriors, Aman Thompson, what a performance by 1409 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:23.239 the Houston Rock is to absolutely shut down Steph Curry. 1410 01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:25.760 It's it's going to be an absolute dogfight in the 1411 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.560 Western Conference. I'm not ready for it, Like I'm I'm 1412 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:31.279 already stressing out by all the good teams that are 1413 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.439 gonna get eliminated in this playing tournament. We're looking, I'm 1414 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.920 telling you, this is crazy. We're looking at the possibility 1415 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.119 of the Lakers getting the number two seed in the 1416 01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:46.359 Western Conference or being eliminated in the play in tournament. 1417 01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.159 That's that's what the next week is gonna tell us, 1418 01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:52.159 because they have the opportunity to get the number two 1419 01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:54.640 seed or the number eight seed. And if you're in 1420 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.359 the number eight seed, your two losses away from being 1421 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.079 eliminated from the playoffs before they even start. And that's 1422 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:02.800 where we're at with the Lakers, they can be anywhere 1423 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.760 from number two and number eight. And that's just that's 1424 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.359 that goes for Minnesota, that goes for Golden State, that 1425 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.319 goes for Houston Memphis. It's going to be crazy and 1426 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:12.199 I can't wait for it. 1427 01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:14.680 Tom, where can people go find all the work? Buddy? 1428 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:20.239 Uh my X feed Tom Haveerstrow. Also Tom Underscore Haberstrow 1429 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:22.600 on Instagram. If you love Top Chef, got a Top 1430 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:25.159 Chef podcast going right now that's kicking in the high gear, 1431 01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:27.319 So go check that out. And Tomdefinder dot com. 1432 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:29.399 You really think Zach is smarter than you are when 1433 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.920 it comes to basketball? 1434 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.960 Uh yeah, he's a big bully, that guy. I don't 1435 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.760 want to I don't want to get on his bad side. 1436 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:39.840 So yeah, all right, yeah, Well, I appreciate the time, man, 1437 01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.079 have a good week. We'll chat. So all right, Seed'll 1438 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:45.840 go with Tom Haerstrow. I'm about to send out my 1439 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.920 prize picks lineup for the National Championship Game tonight via 1440 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.079 social media, which I never do, but they've asked me 1441 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:55.479 to do it, and I well, I feel bad. So 1442 01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.279 before I do this, it'll be up on my Twitter page, 1443 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:03.079 maybe Instagram I hate social media, but they're a valued 1444 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:04.840 client of ours, so I'm going to do this. Let 1445 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:08.000 me just say, do not copy these picks. None of 1446 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.640 us know what we're doing. Okay. The ones that present 1447 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.560 themselves as experts are just trying to sell you something. 1448 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:15.640 I'm trying to take care of a client. So I'm 1449 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:17.760 about to send out my prize picks. Lineup. I've got 1450 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.720 a little parlay going on for the National Championship game tonight. 1451 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:24.960 Tony Parks Live and studio in a bit, but joining 1452 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:28.039 us now. Belle Frasier, Salt Lake Tribune Bell, Happy Monday. 1453 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.640 How are you good? How are you? I'm well. Are 1454 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.800 you one that likes to risk a couple of ducats 1455 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:37.239 here and there on sports? You ever bet you ever 1456 01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:38.560 get involved in any of this stuff? 1457 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.520 No, not at all. I am. I do not touch 1458 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:44.359 the betting bell. 1459 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.880 That is the smart approach. I'm very very proud of you. 1460 01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:51.880 Hey put into context because I am old enough, and 1461 01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:53.560 I very much know that you are not. But I 1462 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:56.399 am old enough to remember back in March of nineteen 1463 01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:00.680 ninety four when Wayne Gretzky set the record for goal scored, 1464 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:03.880 and he has held the record since March of nineteen 1465 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:07.199 ninety four, and once upon a time, bell it felt 1466 01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:09.880 like people talked about this like they talk about John 1467 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:12.800 Stockton's assist record now, like there's no way anybody is 1468 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:16.159 ever passing this, and Elvechkin does it put this into 1469 01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:17.960 context for us? 1470 01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:21.720 Yeah, it was always known as the impossible record. And 1471 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.880 Sportsnet released an interview with Ovechkin actually yesterday, from like 1472 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:29.079 ten years ago or something at the World Championships, and 1473 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.600 he was like, well, of course, I'm Elliott Fried and 1474 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:33.000 asked him if he ever thought he could break it, 1475 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:34.880 and he was like, of course not, like that's impossible, 1476 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.640 especially with the modern game right now, the goaltenders and 1477 01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:42.439 how much better defensemen are and just it's a more 1478 01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.039 high skilled game. But there's definitely less space out there, 1479 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:47.399 and goalies are better and they have bigger pads, and 1480 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:50.439 so I think everyone just put it in the back 1481 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:53.239 of their mind that Gretzky would forever hold that record, 1482 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:57.760 and Obskin defied all odds, and I think people were 1483 01:14:57.840 --> 01:14:59.960 questioning it the past few years when he slowed down 1484 01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.000 and the Capitals looked like they might be going towards 1485 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:06.159 a rebuild of sorts, but over the summer they retooled. 1486 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:08.960 They brought in some guys and other guys like Dylan 1487 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.560 Strom who assisted on that goal with Tom Wilson, have 1488 01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:15.119 just had really good seasons and from getting swept by 1489 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.039 the Rangers in the first round last year, the Washington 1490 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.760 Capitals might win the President Trophy. Probably will, so I 1491 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.960 think that definitely helped with the fact. But yeah, an 1492 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:29.079 incredible achievement. Definitely had goosebumps watching that happen. I think 1493 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.720 if you're a hockey fan or just sports fan in general, 1494 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:34.640 those moments in history are really cool to witness. And 1495 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:38.479 congrats to him. It's been a really fun race to watch. 1496 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:39.840 Now. 1497 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:42.680 I guess we should learn our lesson and Gen xers 1498 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:45.439 like myself learn our lesson when we say, you know, 1499 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.119 this will never be broken, but does it feel like 1500 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.039 this is a record that you have to play bell, 1501 01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:54.960 as you know, at such a high level for so 1502 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:59.239 long to even touch where Gretzky was and Alvechkin now is. 1503 01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:01.239 Does this feel like one of those records It might be, 1504 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.319 you know, standing for a long long time. 1505 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.640 It definitely feels like it, right, But like you said, 1506 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:10.840 how some we sit there and say that when that's 1507 01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:13.960 what we were all saying ten years ago. So who knows, 1508 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:17.640 but I think it'll probably be a while before someone 1509 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:21.640 gets close to this. But yeah, I won't say a 1510 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.000 definite no, because look Whatovuchkin did. 1511 01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:28.239 For sure. All right, it's probably time to say that 1512 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:31.800 all of our dreams of seeing Stanley Cup hockey in 1513 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.560 our market year one, it's probably time to say that's 1514 01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:37.920 not happening. Fair to say, fair to say for sure? 1515 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:42.720 All right, it feels like it's less on the performance 1516 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:45.720 of the Utah Hockey Club and more on whatever the 1517 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.079 hell Saint Louis figured out. How did the Blues get 1518 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:48.640 so hot? 1519 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:48.840 Bill? 1520 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:52.479 It's wild. I mean, you think about three weeks ago 1521 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:55.800 to a month ago, Utah was within four points and 1522 01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.079 two points at a certain time from the Saint Louis Blues, 1523 01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:01.239 and it was always cut to Canucks catch the Blues. 1524 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:05.079 And the Blues have won twelve straight I believe, franchise records. 1525 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:09.399 They have just gotten off running. And we've talked about 1526 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:11.800 it before. Utah was going to need help to make 1527 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.760 the playoffs. It didn't matter if they won out or 1528 01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:18.079 won eighty or ninety percent of their remaining regular season games. 1529 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:20.800 They would need the teams around them. To lose and 1530 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:24.039 the Saint Louis lose at the exact opposite, so that 1531 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.880 definitely hurt Utah's chances. But I also think no matter 1532 01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:30.279 how well the club has been playing down the stretch here, 1533 01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:33.560 it's those games in October, November, December, when they were 1534 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:36.239 still figuring things out, when they were giving up late leads, 1535 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.560 when they were losing in overtime and didn't have a 1536 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:41.520 full healthy roster that's really caught up to them. You 1537 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:44.760 think about the amount of games that have slept went 1538 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:46.760 through their fingers this season, and it's the same for 1539 01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.279 any team not making the playoffs. But it's hard to 1540 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:51.600 write off a game early and early on in the 1541 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:53.720 season when those points would mean a lot right now, 1542 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.319 but I don't think Utah Hockey Club fans should be 1543 01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:59.239 that upset. The expectation this year was to just have 1544 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:02.600 a better season and then last year keep the rebuild going, 1545 01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.680 and that has happened. Young stars have played well, the 1546 01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:08.560 new veterans have played well, and they kept themselves in 1547 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:10.800 it until the final stretch of the season. So I 1548 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:13.800 think that was the goal for the front office and 1549 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:16.800 next year will probably be you know, the official push 1550 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:19.960 for their first playoff berth since the COVID bubble. 1551 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.720 And winning three of their last four. You know, after 1552 01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:26.000 they went down to Tampa and got spanked eight zero, 1553 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:28.199 part of me wondered, like, all right, they might know 1554 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.920 the deal. They might know that this fight for the 1555 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.239 wild guard is not going to happen. But I've been 1556 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:36.319 impressed obviously. I mean, Winnipeg has been insanely good all year. 1557 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.680 Calgary's no slouch. The Blackhawks aren't good, but what have 1558 01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:42.439 they done well? Winning three of the last four bell 1559 01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:45.199 since they came back from that road trip that wasn't great? 1560 01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:49.600 Yeah, I agree. When you saw that Tampa game ain't nothing, 1561 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:52.279 you thought maybe they would just put their hands up 1562 01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:55.279 then take carel vimlka out of net, just let the 1563 01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.239 rest of the season play out. But they did the 1564 01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:00.319 exact opposite, and head coach Andre Spreeney said his team 1565 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.079 is the easiest team to coach in the NHL right 1566 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.479 now because they're so locked in, they care so much. 1567 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:07.399 He doesn't need to go in there and give a 1568 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.000 rallying speech right now. He said, they're blocking out the 1569 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.000 outside noise and all they want to do is play 1570 01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.920 and play well. So I think for them, even if 1571 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.359 you're not playing for the playoffs right now. You're playing 1572 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:21.039 to win and build momentum for next season. And the 1573 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:24.039 Winnipeg Jets were really good measuring stick for Utah the 1574 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:26.960 way they dominated and handled that game. That's the number 1575 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.359 one team in the NHL. And while Utah will not 1576 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:31.439 see them in the first round of the playoffs this year, 1577 01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:33.680 they might next year. And I think it's a good 1578 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.560 confidence booster to know that you can play that shutdown 1579 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:38.920 of a game against a team that is a Stanley 1580 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:43.119 Cup contender. So they're still motivated and there's a lot 1581 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.359 of guys playing for more. I talked to Nick d 1582 01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:49.359 Simone today, who has been their seventh defenseman since January 1583 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:51.720 when he got claimed off of waivers, and he might 1584 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:54.079 go in tomorrow because John Marino is day to day 1585 01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.479 with an upper body injury, but he's on an expiring contract. 1586 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:00.399 Nick Duke stad Is, Michael Karconi is, So guys in 1587 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.479 there are playing for the next deal. They're playing for 1588 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:05.800 a lot more than playoffs too, So I think there's 1589 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:07.720 still a lot of motivation in there and they want 1590 01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:10.640 to give their fans a fun end to the first season, 1591 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:12.439 even if it's not a playoff birth. 1592 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:15.640 Oh Bell, I've got your Twitter pulled up. I see 1593 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.960 you've discovered my friends at Central Ninth Market. 1594 01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:21.399 Oh my gosh, that was like the best sandwich I've 1595 01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:22.000 ever had. 1596 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:24.359 Yeah, have you tried the breakfast sandwich? 1597 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:27.399 No, I was going to get the breakfast sandwich, but 1598 01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:27.960 I went. 1599 01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:31.039 With the Morta Dallas okay, which and that's a safe bet. 1600 01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:33.399 But you got to try the breakfast sandwich soon. It will. 1601 01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:35.119 It will blow your mind. It's that good. 1602 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:38.199 Okay, I'll go back. I was gonna go back anyway, 1603 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:39.600 so that'll be my order this time. 1604 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:41.800 Yeah, shout out to my buddies over at Central Ninth. 1605 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:44.640 And you probably discovered by now that Faulk thinks he's 1606 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:48.119 a foodie, right, like he has all the recommendations, right. 1607 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:50.439 He is some good wrecks he does. 1608 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:53.439 Don't say that out loud. It just furthers the narrative 1609 01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.439 and it just inflates as ego. But anyway, moving on, 1610 01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:00.000 so you reference the push next year, So let's move 1611 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.479 into that space because if we're honest, it's just not 1612 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.319 happening this year. There are still games to talk about five, 1613 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:08.800 four or five, depending on which team you are. If 1614 01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:12.159 you're Bill Armstrong and if you're the decision makers and 1615 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.039 the roster constructors, are you simply allowing this young group 1616 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:19.359 to continue to grow? Are there places you think additions 1617 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:21.479 need to be made? How do they take that next up, 1618 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.800 the next step next year? So we actually do see 1619 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:26.560 Stanley Cup Hockey and Salt Lake. 1620 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:29.640 I think it's the mix of both chased in an 1621 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:33.119 interesting position because it's young talent like Coolly Guns, their 1622 01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:36.680 jersey's still young, Kestering, all of those guys, mc bain, 1623 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:39.920 Josh Jones, They've really had strong years and you can 1624 01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:41.920 see if this team is going to be successful in 1625 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.520 the future, it's going to be those guys carrying it. 1626 01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:46.960 Obviously you throw Clayton Keller in there, but that's a given. 1627 01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:49.840 So I think they feel comfortable with what their core 1628 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:52.159 will be moving forward, and then you also have to 1629 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.800 balance they have a lot of prospects in the pipeline. 1630 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.119 Everyone's excited about Tijiginla col Bodan if they can get 1631 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:00.960 Simischev and Daniel boot to come over from the KHL 1632 01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:04.119 next season, So those guys will probably spend some time 1633 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.279 in the AHL, but you definitely have to mark your 1634 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:08.680 window of when you want them to make the transition, 1635 01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:12.359 but I do think Utah needs some reinforcements up front 1636 01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:16.079 before those players are NHL ready. We've talked about this 1637 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:18.560 for a while, but someone in their top six that 1638 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:21.920 just has a scoring punch that can put away the 1639 01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:24.479 backbreaker in a third period, who can extend the lead, 1640 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.359 and even a top six center as well. I think 1641 01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:30.960 you're just looking for a little bit more edge, flair 1642 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.960 consistency in that top six that Utah maybe hasn't had 1643 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.800 throughout the season. So they definitely have their main pieces, 1644 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.479 but I think if they could bring someone in. We've 1645 01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:45.760 talked about them being in the Mitch Marner stakes, who 1646 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.600 knows if that will actually happen. Sam Bennett's a center 1647 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:50.680 from the floor, the Panthers who won a Stanley Cup 1648 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:54.079 with Kevin Stenlin. You know, you never know the perfect fit. 1649 01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:56.680 But they have a lot of cap space this summer, 1650 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.079 so I imagine they'll go through all of their options. And 1651 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.880 then Utah brought in some of its biggest players like 1652 01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:06.039 Sergachev and Marino last summer through trade, so Utah has 1653 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:08.800 some players that haven't lived up to expectations this year. 1654 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:11.359 They also have a lot of draft picks and prospects 1655 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:13.239 that they could bundle, So I don't think people should 1656 01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:15.800 only look at free agency for where Utah might impact 1657 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:18.760 the roster. Could definitely be through trade two. That's something 1658 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.800 general manager Bill Armstrong did. But yes, I think for 1659 01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.800 them to turn the corner next year to make the playoffs, 1660 01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:28.800 they're going to need that sharpshooter or a legitimate top 1661 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:31.560 six center, just something to kind of bolster them there. 1662 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.439 You know, you reference some of the games they allowed 1663 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.520 to slip away earlier on in the season, leaving points 1664 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.840 on the table. It's it's kind of wild looking at 1665 01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:44.239 the standings where you you know, you look at the 1666 01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.239 Eastern Conference and the Bruins, the Flyers and the Penguins 1667 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:49.079 are the three worst teams in the East. And there 1668 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:50.920 are three of like the biggest brands and all of 1669 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:54.119 pro hockey, but there are no there are no teams 1670 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.840 bell in the East that have fewer home wins than 1671 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.279 the Utah Hockey Club. The worst home team in the 1672 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.000 East actually is the Rangers. Sorry for you and I 1673 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.960 Ranger fans. Eighteen wins at the Garden, which is pathetic, 1674 01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:10.640 but seventeen wins at the Delta Center for the Utah 1675 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:12.960 hockey club, and from my vantage point Bell, but you're 1676 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:17.520 the expert. Two things, poor home performances and then also 1677 01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.880 inability to close out games that you're leading going into 1678 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:23.960 the third period. Is that a maturation process? Are you 1679 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:26.279 expecting that to be better year two in Salt Lake? 1680 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:29.800 Yeah, it's definitely a maturation process, and I think you've 1681 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:31.840 seen it get a lot better in the second half 1682 01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:34.880 of the season. A majority of those losses on home 1683 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:37.720 ice came in the first half, when the guys admitted 1684 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:39.600 to it, They're like, we're gripping our six to tide. 1685 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.119 You want to win in front of these fans who 1686 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:43.319 are not dealing with the pressure well, and they were 1687 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.600 throwing away leads. They're letting coach called it emotional. They're 1688 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:48.640 letting their mental game get in front of the physical 1689 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.039 game on the ice. But I think you've really seen 1690 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:53.319 that start to shift in the second half, and they've 1691 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:55.239 been able to close out games. They've been able to 1692 01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:58.000 come back from deficits. You know, they've come back from 1693 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.399 three nothing deficits and games to fourth over time in 1694 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:03.479 a shootout. So I definitely think you're seeing them believe 1695 01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:05.520 in their own process a bit more. And then Once 1696 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:07.319 you start winning on home ice and you get the 1697 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:10.039 crowd behind you, it just builds that momentum and you've 1698 01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:12.840 really seen that here in the past. But I think 1699 01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:15.319 it was also important that they didn't freak out a 1700 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:17.199 lot of those games they were losing on home ice 1701 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:19.560 in the beginning. It was only by a goal or two, 1702 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:21.800 so it wasn't like they were getting blown out every 1703 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.399 time they came to Salt Lake City. So for them 1704 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:27.479 and a young team who's growing, they always talked about 1705 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:30.199 taking the good from the games, even if it was 1706 01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:33.199 a loss, and I think they stuck with that. They 1707 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.880 didn't write every loss off as a terrible performance, and 1708 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:38.279 it's got them to winning on home ice now, and 1709 01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:41.319 it's definitely something I imagine they put a big emphasis 1710 01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.199 on going forward as the new market here continues to grow. 1711 01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:47.800 What is going on with our New York Rangers. Why 1712 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:50.119 has this not been the step up that we were 1713 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.359 all expecting after the solid season a year ago. 1714 01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:55.319 I have tapped out. I cannot. 1715 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:59.119 Oh no, well, you can't tap out. You can't tap out. 1716 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:03.000 I watch it when I can, but it's too depressing 1717 01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:05.760 to fully invest in when you know my full time 1718 01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.479 job is also watching hockey. So I'll put on the 1719 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:11.640 Lightning Rangers game tonight because Utah is not playing. But 1720 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:15.520 it's a tough team to invest in this year, for sure. 1721 01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:20.239 That's fair. That's fair. All right. Let me move over here. 1722 01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:22.399 So I have kind of a running joke with a 1723 01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:24.439 lot of the hockey guests I have on this year 1724 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.960 that we are now hockeytown USA. A moniker that of 1725 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.880 course exists in Detroit, Michigan, where they throw octopus on 1726 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:34.640 the ice? Are we did we find our answer to 1727 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:37.279 throwing octopus on the ice where fans apparently are now 1728 01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:39.600 throwing broccoli on the ice of the Delta Center. 1729 01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:43.039 It seems like it that was really funny. If they 1730 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.920 were interviewing cREL Bamelka after his thirty three save performance 1731 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:50.800 against the Winnipeg Jibs and his twentieth consecutive start, you 1732 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.800 would never know. So an outstanding showing from him that 1733 01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:57.319 helped Utah win the game. But there's been shout out 1734 01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:01.359 Brandon from Utah Hockey Club Club on Twitter or x. 1735 01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:04.399 He runs the fan page. He started showing up to 1736 01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.840 the games with a broccoli like hat face mask thing on, 1737 01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:12.159 and a bunch of other people started wearing the broccoli hat, 1738 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:16.199 so broccoli seemed to be the vegetable to represent the 1739 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:19.760 Malka or the team. And then yeah, after the game 1740 01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:23.840 whatever two nights ago, raw real broccoli was on the ice. 1741 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.960 So we'll see. That's the first time it happened. We'll 1742 01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:30.920 see if it continues to keep happening. But it's really cool, 1743 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.000 you know, without a team name, without much hockey history, 1744 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:37.560 fans have found their own traditions. And I'll always think 1745 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:40.079 of Utah Hockey Club when I see broccoli now too. 1746 01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:42.880 So that's been a really cool subplot to the season, 1747 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.079 just seeing how fans kind of make their own hockey 1748 01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:47.840 culture before the official branding is released. 1749 01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:51.520 Is the plural of oct to push OCTOPI? I honestly 1750 01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:51.840 don't know. 1751 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:54.199 I honestly don't know either. 1752 01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:56.359 Well, you're a writer, okay, I'm an. 1753 01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.680 Idiot radio hokay, bad journalist over here? 1754 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.640 All right, Hey, oh thank you, porter. My producer looked 1755 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:07.159 it up. Octopuses that doesn't sound right. I'm going I'm 1756 01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:11.800 going with OCTOPI. It is a right, Okay, Fine, what happens? 1757 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.560 So they signed Mamelka to the contract extension, and we're 1758 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:18.680 of course still tracking the progress and hoping Connor's doing well. 1759 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:21.239 How do you think the goalie situation settles in during 1760 01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:23.159 the offseason going into next year, Bell. 1761 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.920 It'll be interesting. I actually just wrote a story on this, 1762 01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:31.000 But teams need two goaltenders throughout the NHL season. Any 1763 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:33.159 team that it's going to be a contender is going 1764 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:35.039 to make the playoffs. They need to be able to 1765 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.960 have a one A, one B. And that doesn't necessarily 1766 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:40.359 need to mean a goalie rotation where you're going one 1767 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.840 on and one off. But it's it's no longer Henrik 1768 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:47.119 Lungquist playing seventy plus game season for four years in 1769 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.720 a row, where Andrew Raycroft played seventy two out of 1770 01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:53.239 eighty two games in the early two thousands. NHL starters 1771 01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:58.319 are playing fifty tops games a year. So it's great 1772 01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:01.279 that Famelka is getting this teching on him. They have 1773 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:03.520 a lot of data on him on how he needs 1774 01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.359 to recover and if he can handle long stretches, which 1775 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:09.000 he's proven he can, which makes people feel good about 1776 01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.159 his contract. But like you said, the hope is that 1777 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.399 Connor Ingram is able to come back next year. He 1778 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:17.640 has one year left on his contract, that he's healthy, 1779 01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:19.680 that he's ready to go, and then I think you 1780 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:23.880 feel really confident in a Vmelka Ingram kind of duo 1781 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.880 there that Ingram would be able to come in when 1782 01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:28.840 the Milka needs the rest or just split up the workloads. 1783 01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.640 But I think it's definitely something the team needs to 1784 01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:35.520 think about. If Ingram is not able to return, they're 1785 01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:37.640 going to have to go out and look for another goalie. 1786 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.520 They have good prospects, but none of them are kind 1787 01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:43.479 of the fortified, certified backup that you need. I think 1788 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:46.199 you've seen that that they don't trust it because they 1789 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:50.800 have Ma Milica for twenty games straight. So the simplified 1790 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.640 answer is they're going to need someone else as well, 1791 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:55.239 and we hope it's Connor Ingram. 1792 01:29:55.880 --> 01:30:00.000 All right, Bell, what is the latest intel you reference? 1793 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.720 It's a team without a name, and we keep hearing 1794 01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:07.079 reports here there about trademarks filed and momentum in this 1795 01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:10.439 direction that direction. What's the latest on this project to 1796 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:11.840 name our hockey club out here? 1797 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.640 Yeah? I mean Smith Entertainment Group is smart enough to 1798 01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:18.640 know that everyone's stands and media like are smoothing all 1799 01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:22.479 over the trademark website. All of that's public information. So 1800 01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:26.319 what they've done is they've paid to extend the application 1801 01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:30.359 process for basically all of the names. It's more than 1802 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:35.319 a dozen names, so Scorm and Blizzard and names that 1803 01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:39.640 obviously are not real contenders are still active under their 1804 01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:43.560 ownership on the trademark website, so that way, if everything's 1805 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:47.520 active and they don't kill any trademark applications, then you 1806 01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.359 can't tell which one they're going to go with. But 1807 01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:54.159 the only three logos other than the Utah Hockey Club 1808 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.880 and All a Girl season logos that are registered on 1809 01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:00.479 the trademark website under SEG Hockey are the Mammoth Outlaw 1810 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:03.880 and Utah Hockey Club slash Yetti logo that they represented 1811 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.960 during the fans survey that were leased. So although they've 1812 01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:10.159 extended all those names, don't worry fans. The ones he 1813 01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:13.439 voted were still the top three and it sounds like 1814 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.760 they're going to announce the name sometime around the NHL 1815 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:19.840 Draft in June, So no real updates. I mean, the 1816 01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:22.520 news this week was that they just extended all of them, 1817 01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:26.119 so the news was that nothing has been eliminated essentially, 1818 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:29.560 But yeah, I would keep an eye out for NHL 1819 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:33.039 Draft June when the season ends for an official announcement. 1820 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:36.000 Last thing, Bella set you loose on this. The hockey 1821 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:38.359 club announcer are going to give out some awards, their 1822 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.199 individual awards after their final home game. I think it's 1823 01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:44.479 Nashville if I remember correctly off the side of my 1824 01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:47.119 head coming up. Okay, So after the Nashville game, I'll 1825 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:49.319 just ask you who's the MVP and why? What do 1826 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:49.640 you think? 1827 01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:58.560 Ooh, that's so hard. I would have said Sergachhovs and 1828 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:04.119 I can I give three. I'm gonna go Sev the Milka. 1829 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:08.239 I mean, I just think all three of those guys 1830 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:11.239 this team is in anywhere close to sniffing a postseason 1831 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:14.119 run if they don't have the seasons that they do. 1832 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.880 Sergachev came in and certified himself as the number one defenseman. 1833 01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:20.279 He had to relearn how to walk this off season 1834 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:23.479 after breaking his left leg at the end of last year. 1835 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:27.319 He's on the powerplay, penalty killed five on five, bogging 1836 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.359 twenty five plus minutes. Tonight took on a leadership role, 1837 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:33.600 gotten the assistant captain a on his jersey a couple 1838 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:35.960 months into the season. So I think he's been everything 1839 01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:38.439 they needed him to be. Clinton Keller. I feel like 1840 01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:42.880 there's no explanation needed there. He is Captain Clutch. He's 1841 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:45.199 carried this team throughout the last seven to eight years 1842 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.359 before he even had the Captain c and his production 1843 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:51.560 has been Barnun and then Jamelka. We've talked about it. 1844 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:54.560 Bill Armstrong even said it. He saved their season when 1845 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:56.560 they were in a really tough spot. So I think 1846 01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:59.199 all three of those guys are deserving of it, and 1847 01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:02.479 we'll see what fans think and what the higher ups pick. 1848 01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:05.039 Are you a fan of bacon? 1849 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:07.239 Bacon? 1850 01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:11.680 Yes? Yes, Okay, so Belle, what you need to do 1851 01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:15.199 because now I'm only thinking about sandwiches at this point 1852 01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:19.359 after I saw the picture the Central Ninth Breakfast sandwich. 1853 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:22.840 If you're brave enough, the mortadella and the bacon on 1854 01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:24.520 the sandwich is the way to go. It's a lot 1855 01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:27.439 of meat, but if you're a man, it is excellent. Bell, 1856 01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:28.279 I promise you. 1857 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.920 Okay, I will go back. I'll order that and I'll 1858 01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:33.840 have an update for you in weeks time. 1859 01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:36.800 Perfect. And also just know that I'm the one that 1860 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.479 told Falk about Central Ninth, just so you know. 1861 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.399 Okay, okay, noted? 1862 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:43.239 Okay, Thanks? Bell, have a good week, all right. 1863 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:44.199 Yeah. 1864 01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.119 At Belle Fraser covers the Utah Hockey Club for the 1865 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:49.960 Salt Lake Tribune. At bell Fraser one is where you 1866 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.680 find her on Twitter. She's a really bright young journalist. 1867 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:54.840 My guest is she's not going to be here for 1868 01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:56.920 very long. She's got a little podcast over the trip, 1869 01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:59.680 and she does a really, really good job. I am 1870 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:07.279 firm in my belief that the the term for multiple 1871 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:11.359 octopus is OCTOPI. I think the plural for octopus is. 1872 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:16.760 It's not octopuses that sounds or octopedes. No, it's OCTOPI. Sorry, 1873 01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.600 saying octopuses on air honestly sounds like I could get 1874 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.119 kicked off air. It sounds inappropriate. 1875 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:24.039 Maybe maybe it does sound that way, but hey, you 1876 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:26.520 asked your resident wildlife guy here. 1877 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:28.560 No, that's fair, That's what I'm here for. Okay, you've 1878 01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:32.079 never have you ever swam with either a single octopus 1879 01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.039 or multiple OCTOPI? I'm going with it, man. 1880 01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:42.039 I have Actually I have liar where like way south 1881 01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:43.479 of the Equator. 1882 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:44.479 Ways out for the Equator. 1883 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.359 I've been to a place called Murrietta Islands, which is 1884 01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:51.399 off the coast of like part of a arta Ish okay, 1885 01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:55.279 and they it's like a it's like a wildlife refuge 1886 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:59.039 plush with octopi. There, I saw a octop octopus. Okay, 1887 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:03.479 not no ou to pusses or octipedes. It sounds weird. 1888 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:07.119 Octopi sounds cleaner and better. I don't disagree with you. 1889 01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:08.800 They just don't go. 1890 01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:12.560 With it, all right, Well they should. Salt Lake B's 1891 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:17.920 Avenue High all right. Opening week starts tomorrow. Look at 1892 01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:20.800 that April eighth through the thirteenth, as we kick off 1893 01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:23.600 our inaugural season at the Ballpark in America First Square 1894 01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:26.319 in South Jordan. Who got a bunch of giveaways We're 1895 01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:28.159 going to tell you about over the next hour. Because 1896 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.840 my friends, my dear friend who I've worked with for 1897 01:35:31.920 --> 01:35:34.479 a number of different years at a number of different places, 1898 01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:38.199 on a number of different games and projects. So on 1899 01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:41.159 the mic, good coworker, off the mike, dear friend, Tony 1900 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.560 Parks live in studio. Hello, my friend, how are you? 1901 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:47.039 I'm great, man, I'm great. Just got back from Albuquerque. 1902 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:49.119 Had the old nine game roadie. All right, it's a 1903 01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:53.680 good time, you know, you know, there's nothing like just 1904 01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:57.199 waking up every day and going to a baseball like 1905 01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.239 that was the dream from the time I was so 1906 01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:03.359 little and live that once again. Just a taste of 1907 01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:06.119 that again. This year is just awesome, man, just love 1908 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.439 it so. But now we have the home opener. So 1909 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:12.039 now it's an entirely different sort of adrenaline excitement. 1910 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:13.960 So let's stay in this space. Let's do a little 1911 01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:16.960 Bees obviously voice of the Bees taking over after our 1912 01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:19.720 dear friend Steve Cloukey retired. May Steve, of course, rest 1913 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:22.680 in peace. We all loved Steve, and Tony is stepping 1914 01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:25.800 into some sizable shoes and has done that now for 1915 01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:29.720 quite some time. Tell us about the new ballpark. Let's 1916 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.760 talk to people that may still be disappointed that the 1917 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:35.119 Bees have left us here in downtown saw Lake. What 1918 01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:37.119 are the new digs, like, Tom, They're fantastic. 1919 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:39.920 I mean, the players raved about the new clubhouse because 1920 01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:41.840 they were there for a few days right there at 1921 01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:44.239 media Day and all that. So a few days before 1922 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.039 they left on the road trip, they got to check 1923 01:36:46.039 --> 01:36:49.039 out the clubhouse, which is major league size. They got 1924 01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:50.920 to check out some of the amenities, which are major 1925 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:54.720 league gest so everything behind the scenes has a major 1926 01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:56.880 league look and feel to it. Now the big thing 1927 01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:59.560 is for the fean experience to be able to reach 1928 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:01.520 something like that too. Everything we're trying to do with 1929 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:04.640 our TV product, you know, to the limits that we 1930 01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:05.720 possibly can find. 1931 01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:07.600 Everything is about leveling up. 1932 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:09.319 And it's not hey, we want to try to look 1933 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:12.800 like no, no, no, it's the standard. And what was 1934 01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:15.640 really cool is Steve Clokey had that standard and I 1935 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:18.039 had that standard down on the field for everything we had. 1936 01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:19.920 Whether it was a bad sound system, it didn't matter. 1937 01:37:20.279 --> 01:37:22.920 Everything we could control, we made sure to do it 1938 01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:25.359 at that level. And so what fans can look forward 1939 01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:28.520 to is now a ballpark with a better sound system again, 1940 01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:32.079 now with better amenities, great neighborhood, all those different things 1941 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:34.760 that come with it. This isn't to be disrespectful to 1942 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:37.840 the old ballpark. That place will always be emotional to me. 1943 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.119 So when people say, well, is it kind of mixed feeling, 1944 01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:42.239 He's like, well, no, I mean, it was a wonderful 1945 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:44.520 tribute to be a part of the last year at 1946 01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:47.039 that ballpark and the first year at this ballpark. And 1947 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:50.319 what happens is just like any situation you've ever had 1948 01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:52.439 if you're you know, moving out of a home that 1949 01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:54.560 was personal to you and emotional to you and had 1950 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:56.600 memories and all of that, and you move to your 1951 01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:59.359 new house and you go, well, that there, there's some 1952 01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:01.680 reasons why we moved here, and we really enjoy this. 1953 01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:06.079 So for those who are disappointed that the Bees moved 1954 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:08.199 to a different place, like, there are so many things 1955 01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:09.279 about the experience there. 1956 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:10.199 I think you're gonna like. 1957 01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:13.479 Where you say, Okay, I liked the old place too, 1958 01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:15.000 and I like this one as well. 1959 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:19.760 This comes down to something extremely simplistic. We can reduce 1960 01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:23.600 it to simply this, Tony, where do you live right right? 1961 01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:25.800 Like that's people were going to react based off where 1962 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:27.920 they live. I live five minutes away from where we're 1963 01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.960 broadcasting right now, So the fact that I was able 1964 01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:33.359 to take tracks or head on down to the ballpark 1965 01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:36.319 and be there within ten minutes is something I will miss. 1966 01:38:36.439 --> 01:38:38.079 It just comes down to where you live. But it 1967 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:40.520 also comes down to progress. And we all understand what 1968 01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:43.800 the Millers are trying to do with their big picture viewpoint. 1969 01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:45.800 And you and I wor you still work for the Millers. 1970 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:47.720 I worked for them for seven years. I can speak 1971 01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:51.399 to their professionalism. Steve Starks is a great friend and 1972 01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:53.880 a mentor in a lot of ways, and huge. You know, 1973 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.319 is there anybody that cares more about doing good in 1974 01:38:56.359 --> 01:39:00.760 our community than Gail? Probably not, right, So I understand 1975 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:02.880 the disappointment, but I think when you take a step 1976 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:05.239 back and understand the thirty thousand foot view of what 1977 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.000 the Miller Company is trying to do for our market 1978 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:12.439 with a project eventually bringing major League baseball here, even 1979 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:14.159 though you may not love it because you don't live 1980 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.680 close to the ballpark, it's probably a necessary step. 1981 01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:21.039 They spent multiple decades as tenants to a place that 1982 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:23.479 was downtown or in the ballpark neighborhood, if you will, 1983 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:26.039 and they did a great job of being stewards in 1984 01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:28.239 the community to that exact community, and by the way, 1985 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:30.840 they've still poured in great money to other areas of 1986 01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:33.920 the community all over the state. So it's not a 1987 01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:36.520 matter of them being cruel or selfish. It is simply 1988 01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:38.479 a matter of Okay, now they own their own place 1989 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:41.720 that they purchased by the way, that they built, and 1990 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:44.159 that they have in a neighborhood that they like, and 1991 01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:46.960 they're setting that up to obviously be something that would 1992 01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:49.640 be their minor league team if a major league team 1993 01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:51.039 ever happens to arrive. 1994 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:52.600 They have the stadium site ready. 1995 01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:54.760 They have a number of other headaches that go on 1996 01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:57.880 behind the scenes of a major league stadium and. 1997 01:39:57.840 --> 01:39:58.840 What it takes and all that. 1998 01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:00.720 I mean, the fact that they can this so low 1999 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:02.760 for two years, I mean, tip of your hat to that, 2000 01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:05.720 because when the news came out, many of us at 2001 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:08.640 the ballpark at Smith's Ballpark at the time were shocked. 2002 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:12.199 We're like, this isn't some new development. This means people 2003 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:12.680 kept their. 2004 01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:15.279 Trap shut for like two years on this, on all 2005 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:16.960 the developments behind it. Next thing you know, we're all 2006 01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:19.359 standing there at a press conference and they've got shovels 2007 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:22.079 dug into the dirt and you're going, wait, this is serious. 2008 01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:24.399 I actually was filling in that day. 2009 01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:26.319 I want to say, I was filling in for Bill 2010 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:28.840 Riley in the middle of the day, and I came 2011 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:31.800 right from that to here thinking, oh my gosh, what 2012 01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:34.560 did I just watch. Because Gail didn't step up and 2013 01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:36.279 say we would like to have a team. Oh no, 2014 01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:39.680 she was more than confident about the five tool player 2015 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:43.199 that Saltlake is on having what it takes, being what 2016 01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:46.479 it takes, and being ready for the opportunity when it comes. 2017 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:50.840 So opening week, as far as the home opener starts 2018 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.560 tomorrow through the thirteenth. I would encourage you to go 2019 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:57.239 to SLBs dot com. They've got a great ticket deal 2020 01:40:57.239 --> 01:40:59.600 that I just saw on the website. Tony. I've got 2021 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:03.279 the scripts so give giveaways include Pennett's t shirts, beanies 2022 01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:05.479 more every night of the first home stands. You have 2023 01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:07.760 any more specific you can fill in rally tals. You 2024 01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:09.479 and I have all sorts of stuff coming up, man. 2025 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:11.960 I mean it's like the week to be there is 2026 01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:14.079 opening week, and I understand it's going to be high demand. 2027 01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:17.439 And oh boy, do I get the text messages now? 2028 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.000 Of course? Ay man, how season going. It's great. I 2029 01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:22.439 don't have tickets, man, I'm sorry. There, it's high demand. 2030 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:23.359 It's part of the deal. 2031 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:25.000 I know, and I got it, and I'm not I 2032 01:41:25.159 --> 01:41:26.800 don't blame them. I'm like, I'm sorry, man. 2033 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.760 You know what I started doing because, as you know, 2034 01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:30.760 I've talked to you about this before. This has been 2035 01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:34.880 part of my entire life, right like the call from 2036 01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:37.600 the friend you haven't talked to in years. It's like, hey, 2037 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:41.279 h seven years man, And you know, I honestly have 2038 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:43.520 more respect for people to cut to the chase as 2039 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.239 opposed to like, dude, we should do lunch. Oh, by 2040 01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:47.560 the way, do you have any jazz you don't want 2041 01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:50.640 to do lunch? Okay? So I started a number of 2042 01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:53.279 years ago, like if it was the Jazz, if it's 2043 01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:55.479 the utes, if it's rsl IF. I get a friend 2044 01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:58.680 and I'm using air quotes around friend that I haven't 2045 01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:00.520 talked to in years, and he hits, yeah, like, hey, 2046 01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:03.319 you got any hookups? I say, I copy the website 2047 01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:06.399 and I text them the website Utah, youthes dot com, 2048 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:09.800 SLBs dot com. But yes, I mean, folks are excited, 2049 01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:10.840 right the buzz is. 2050 01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.359 They should be. They absolutely should be. The hard part 2051 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:16.319 is yeah, I mean it's such high demand. 2052 01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:17.720 I mean, and it should be. I mean it's a 2053 01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:19.359 brand new ball part. Yeah. Uh. 2054 01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:22.239 The especially for the premium seating and all the suites 2055 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:24.159 and things like that. For people who experience that, I mean, 2056 01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:26.319 I mean, it's another level. The suitets behind the home 2057 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:29.199 plate are closer uh to the plate than the mount 2058 01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.239 so you're closer to the batter than the picture is. 2059 01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:35.079 It's amazing, like the the amenities and. 2060 01:42:35.119 --> 01:42:38.680 The top level uh sort of experience that that the 2061 01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:40.479 fans are going to be in for for this I 2062 01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:42.560 mean I've been in all these meetings, not that I've 2063 01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:45.399 been dictating any of this, but overhearing the discussions and 2064 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.560 the fine details that these people are getting into, down 2065 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:53.319 to the very like, down to the very smallest detail 2066 01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:56.680 to ensure that people traffic flow moves well, not just 2067 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:58.720 traffic flow of cars, but how do we make sure 2068 01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:01.479 that people traffic flow moves really smoothly through here. How 2069 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:04.439 do we know that if somebody's confused, they can immediately 2070 01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:07.600 identify someone that can help him right away, like within 2071 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:10.800 twelve feet. I mean, they get into the fine details 2072 01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:12.920 of this. It's been awesome, uh, to kind of watch 2073 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:15.279 that process. I know it's not doesn't sound like the 2074 01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:17.199 most exciting thing, but as you think about it from 2075 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:18.760 a fan experience, and I know I'm going to be 2076 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:20.680 in the booth, but the fan experience still means a 2077 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:21.000 lot to me. 2078 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:22.880 I worked in fan experience for a long time. 2079 01:43:23.199 --> 01:43:25.600 You know, we had so many restrictions based on so 2080 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:28.880 many other details that we couldn't control. Now we can, 2081 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.159 and I think that that part is going to be awesome. 2082 01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:34.640 Not to mention everybody who's put together the entertainment that 2083 01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:35.840 that this is going to be a part of this. 2084 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:40.800 Yeah, NYC is be consultant. No, I'm just kidding out 2085 01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:43.720 of that. He is. He is in the ranks where 2086 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.039 he should be able to consolet across the country when 2087 01:43:46.039 --> 01:43:50.359 people are looking, you know, for entertainment too. That's my guy, 2088 01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:53.800 I know, it is. I know. But the storm you caused, 2089 01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:57.039 my guys. I just love that he had the nerve 2090 01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:59.079 to call himself any and he did a heck of 2091 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:00.960 a job. Yeah, viny sees allegend. 2092 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:05.199 And then from Brecken Johnson to Katie Brotherson, I mean, 2093 01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:08.880 Ashley Javeli, Kitn Brown to Sandy Miller and they the 2094 01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:11.119 work they've put in to put on a great show. 2095 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.479 I'm excited to see what they are so again, check 2096 01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:17.880 out SLBs dot com for more info. Opening Opening Week 2097 01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:20.800 starts tomorrow. It is the new ballpark at America First 2098 01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:24.520 Square in South Jordan. Fireworks and Drone Knights throughout the season, 2099 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:28.079 Brunch every Sunday game. Yeah, that's awesome. 2100 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:30.640 And now the games are noon on Sunday. Oh that's 2101 01:44:30.279 --> 01:44:33.239 the brunch time. Our bark in the park for nine games. 2102 01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:34.720 You can bring your dog to the game. They're gonna 2103 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:38.319 do a Superman night, Cowboy theme weekend. So yes, they 2104 01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:40.680 have left us in the Capital City to go go 2105 01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:41.640 support them if you can. 2106 01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:45.199 All right, Tony, let's learn about the team a little bit. 2107 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:50.840 I can anecdotally. It was twenty twelve and you and 2108 01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:53.399 I were with our old station back in back in 2109 01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:58.279 the day, and it was it was announced that Gordon 2110 01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:00.000 and I were going to be doing a number of 2111 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:04.600 shows at the ballpark in preparation for opening week. And 2112 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:06.439 so I go to the ballpark and I grab our 2113 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.880 guy Clouks, I grab Steve and I say, hey, who 2114 01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:11.640 should I interview? I don't know any of these players, 2115 01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.079 so I'm not grinding on minor league baseball to this one. 2116 01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:16.640 And Steve says to me and he points this way. 2117 01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:19.720 Steve points this way. He said, there's a player over 2118 01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:23.439 there named Mike Trout. Go interview him today because he's 2119 01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:27.960 leaving next week and he will never come back. Ironically enough, 2120 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:29.720 he came back for a rehab assignment. But you get 2121 01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:32.520 the deal, Like Steve knew that Mike was generational. I'm 2122 01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:34.920 not saying, is there a Mike Trout on this roster? 2123 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:38.560 But you know, field players, pitchers, batters, who are some 2124 01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:40.399 names to watch out for for the Bees this year. 2125 01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:42.960 Well, I mean right now, Zach Netto had the assignment 2126 01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:44.600 there with the Bees, which was awesome. I thought he 2127 01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:46.800 played really well in Albuquerque. But you know, there's a 2128 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:49.840 number of guys that I'm you know, really excited about, 2129 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:52.560 you know, their future right around the corner with some 2130 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.720 of the excitement. Gustavo Campero is a guy that had 2131 01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:57.800 some time in the Bigs last year, left fielder. 2132 01:45:57.920 --> 01:45:59.239 Yeah, he's exciting, man. 2133 01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:01.880 He is just you love those guys that show up 2134 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:04.000 to the ballpark with this big smile and this big 2135 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:07.640 energy and you know it's a child's game and you 2136 01:46:07.640 --> 01:46:08.279 want to see. 2137 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:10.159 Them play it with the kids loving their heart. It's 2138 01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:13.119 that guy. The other guy I really like his Bryce Tiodosio. 2139 01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:15.960 He was a kind of a fan favorite last year. 2140 01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:20.039 Comes in five total triples in his college and professional career, 2141 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:22.319 comes out leads the PCL with twelve of them. 2142 01:46:22.359 --> 01:46:24.720 Forty stolen bases, stole twenty six in a row. 2143 01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:26.960 I mean, just kind of every minute, it feels like 2144 01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:29.279 he's getting better and better and better. He stole home 2145 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:32.399 in a day game that we had last week in Albuquerque. 2146 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:35.319 The heads up tag up to get the second and 2147 01:46:35.359 --> 01:46:38.079 help get a big insurance run. Like, if you love 2148 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.880 good heads up baseball, this team is really fun to watch. 2149 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:42.920 They're really smart. 2150 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:45.720 Yomer Sanchez, you know, he's a gold glover with the 2151 01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:48.800 White Sox. This dude made a big time play, made 2152 01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:51.239 two or three of them yesterday defensively that I thought 2153 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:54.359 proved to be big. Sebastian Rivero is a really smart catcher. 2154 01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:56.880 Deeke the guy just standing there like a statue and 2155 01:46:56.880 --> 01:46:59.119 then swipe tag them real quick. I mean, just when 2156 01:46:59.159 --> 01:47:02.239 you get into the If you're a big hardcore baseball fan, 2157 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:05.560 you're gonna love this group because you can see them 2158 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:10.239 get into the fine, fine millimeters that make the difference 2159 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:11.239 between winning and losing. 2160 01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:11.800 So it's fun. 2161 01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:13.800 Breent Carey is a picture I think is a guy 2162 01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:15.840 that fans would like to you know, the minor. 2163 01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:21.800 League baseball ecosystem and culture has always fascinated me. And 2164 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.159 I talk about this in the world of professional golf 2165 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.960 as it's augusta week at the Masters, and if you're 2166 01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:30.760 not a big golf fan, and I've become a big 2167 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:32.560 golf fan over the past four or five years, and 2168 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:34.399 I'm obsessed with trying to get better at it. I 2169 01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:38.239 really enjoy playing. But you know, you hear the name 2170 01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:40.720 of a dude that wins the tournament and you're like, 2171 01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:43.199 I've never heard of this guy before. He must have 2172 01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:45.920 just started playing pro golf last week, right, And then 2173 01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:47.560 you read about him, it's like this is his one 2174 01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:50.760 hundred and eightieth start on the PGA Tour. He was 2175 01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:52.680 a corn fairy guy. He's been on the tour for 2176 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:56.239 fifteen years, and he actually finally broke through. And I 2177 01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:58.920 had an experience with my friend's brother. His name is 2178 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:03.079 Adam Rosales. Adam toiled in the minor leagues for like 2179 01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:06.000 a decade. Yeah, I remember, And Adam was the type 2180 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:07.800 of guy where it's like I think a lot of 2181 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:10.520 people just would have quit, because literally for nine or 2182 01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:13.840 ten years he was with Sacramento and he would come 2183 01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:16.039 into town and we go watch and play against the bs. 2184 01:48:16.119 --> 01:48:19.279 And as he entered his like late twenties, early thirties, 2185 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:21.479 we're kind of like, all right, Adam's just going to 2186 01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:23.960 be a minor league play in a triple league baseball, 2187 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:26.359 which is great. You know, that's an amazing level to 2188 01:48:26.399 --> 01:48:29.399 get to. He eventually got a bunch of call ups 2189 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.399 and spent about six or seven years playing in the majors. 2190 01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:34.439 But if you were only a fan of like the 2191 01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:36.600 A's when they called at him up or Arizona when 2192 01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:38.319 they got him, You're like, oh, he must be a 2193 01:48:38.359 --> 01:48:42.079 young No. He toiled for like a decade before he 2194 01:48:42.119 --> 01:48:45.479 got his major league baseball called what kind of in 2195 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.560 your experience? What kind of people are these players that 2196 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:53.960 are continuing to toil in the minors with the hope 2197 01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:56.680 that at one day you get a you know, a 2198 01:48:56.720 --> 01:48:59.359 moonlight gram field of dreams one at bad You know, 2199 01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:01.560 what's it like? Kind of getting to know these guys, 2200 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:04.199 that's who our manager is. I mean Keith Johnson had that. 2201 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:06.439 I want to say he had four abs at the 2202 01:49:06.439 --> 01:49:08.760 major league level, spent a lot of years in that game. 2203 01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:09.960 That is wild, you know. 2204 01:49:10.279 --> 01:49:13.880 And he was not staying at the Kimpton next to 2205 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:17.800 the Golden One Center in Sacramento, right, He was not 2206 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:20.479 staying at the Red Rock five Star casino next to 2207 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:22.399 a brand new ballpark in Vegas. 2208 01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:24.239 I mean he was staying at Lakina's. 2209 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:28.479 And yeah, I mean ye noicee oh yeah, Like that 2210 01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:30.359 was a part of the pretteem problem for sure. 2211 01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:32.199 Like this dude was, you. 2212 01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:34.800 Know, taking the bus from I don't know exactly where, 2213 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:36.960 let's say Salt Lake to Reno rather than the flight. 2214 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:39.239 Now, I mean they're the amenities are totally different. 2215 01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:43.159 This dude doesn't have to tell people his story. They 2216 01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:45.359 just feel it from him. And nobody wants them to 2217 01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:47.840 win more than he does. And he gets it, man like. 2218 01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:48.720 He just so. 2219 01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:52.680 These dudes are guys that, yeah, they're hungry for it. 2220 01:49:53.319 --> 01:49:57.840 They're honest, and they're very humble, hungry, honest, humble. 2221 01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:00.880 He was talking with Chase Still the other day. 2222 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:03.319 He was the first guy from the twenty one class 2223 01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:05.239 to make it to the major leagues. Was back last 2224 01:50:05.319 --> 01:50:08.560 year after an elbow injury, finally got himself back to 2225 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:11.319 premier level e RA at zero point eighty seven. 2226 01:50:11.800 --> 01:50:13.840 I mean, moving on the pitches, you can feel it. 2227 01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:14.640 He's coming back. 2228 01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:16.520 All of a sudden, the elbow goes out and he's 2229 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:17.960 got surgery and he's done for the year. 2230 01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:20.279 So he comes back and I see him last week. 2231 01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:20.960 He's in New Mexico. 2232 01:50:21.079 --> 01:50:24.319 Native dude goes out there, two errors in the first 2233 01:50:24.319 --> 01:50:27.720 inning behind him, wheels are wobbling everywhere. He tightens it up, 2234 01:50:27.720 --> 01:50:30.159 minimizes the damage, gives up one earn gets the win. 2235 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:32.840 And he talked about no, I hired a you know, 2236 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.640 mental performance coach. I did this all this. They're big 2237 01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:39.600 on self examination and they're competitive. I mean, these dudes, 2238 01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:42.319 you know, we forget, man. We see these guys out 2239 01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:44.359 there and they're tall and they're big, and they're you know, 2240 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:48.039 they they've got you know, great build and they're good athletes, 2241 01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:50.800 and we forget, man, these dudes from the time that 2242 01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:53.319 they were holding a you know, a foam bat, this 2243 01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:54.880 was the biggest dream they ever had. 2244 01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:56.279 And it's real, man. 2245 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:58.520 And there's a big difference between two commas and your 2246 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:02.880 paycheck and one and they it's just everything about it. 2247 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:04.520 It's so much more about you know. 2248 01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:06.359 I mean, we know about the money and the amenities, 2249 01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:10.279 but the personal pride to get there, and so they 2250 01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:13.159 really want to find tune their game. The other thing 2251 01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:16.720 I'll say about these guys is every inch matters. I mean, 2252 01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:20.079 watching Bryce Tiodosio during batting practice in the outfield, you 2253 01:51:20.119 --> 01:51:22.119 can see him with the reps, the mental reps. I mean, 2254 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.359 he's standing there working on a first move. Nobody's hit 2255 01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:27.439 the ball and he's just visualizing it and then all 2256 01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:28.960 of a sudden in the game. You see him chase 2257 01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:31.680 a ball to the corner and leap into the sidewall 2258 01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:35.039 make an amazing catch, and you're like, Okay, the millimeters to. 2259 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:36.920 Make that play is how that happened? 2260 01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:38.880 Yeah, and he thought he robb It looked like he 2261 01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:41.359 robbed a home run. I watched him time himself out, 2262 01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:43.479 look like he robbed the home run last week, and 2263 01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:45.800 actually the contact with the wall jarreted out. But you 2264 01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:49.159 could see these things are everything to them. 2265 01:51:49.239 --> 01:51:51.720 Well, it's a love it. Yeah, it's it's such an 2266 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:56.279 interesting life lesson. It really is, because we as the 2267 01:51:56.960 --> 01:52:01.239 you know, just the just the consuming public, as people 2268 01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:03.960 that watch games or go to games, or if you 2269 01:52:04.039 --> 01:52:07.399 watch movies or if you listen to music, like you 2270 01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:10.880 learn about the band, you learn about the athlete, you 2271 01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:14.840 learn about the actor, and then because you have no 2272 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:16.680 frame of reference for who they are, you're like, oh, 2273 01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:18.600 this must be their first album, and then you read 2274 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:21.479 about like, no, they've dropped fifteen albums since two thousand 2275 01:52:21.479 --> 01:52:25.000 and three. They're just becoming famous twenty years twenty two 2276 01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:27.760 years later because they continue to toil. And I just 2277 01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:29.560 think it would be so easy. And you do see 2278 01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:32.479 a lot of minor league baseball players hang it up 2279 01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:35.199 because they don't feel like they're ever gonna get that shot. 2280 01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:39.239 And the drive to keep working all for that one 2281 01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:41.960 moment is always something that I just respect so much. 2282 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.079 Oh it is so because the thing I love about 2283 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:45.319 baseball is it's an everyday game. 2284 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:47.920 It's an every day game sometimes people. 2285 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:50.319 I mean, we worked in the NBA and there was 2286 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:52.840 a good friend of ours that said to us after 2287 01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:54.920 a postgame show one days, like, that's the thing is. 2288 01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:58.800 Like you have a game every day. And I'm like, yeah, 2289 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:00.520 that's the beauty this thing. 2290 01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:03.039 If it doesn't go well, we got one tomorrow, it's 2291 01:53:03.039 --> 01:53:04.840 good news. If it does go well, hey, let's do 2292 01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:09.000 it again tomorrow. Like it's it's all about like recommitting 2293 01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:11.479 yourself every day to being the best version of yourself 2294 01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:13.880 that you can be. It's never just another game, it's 2295 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:17.079 never just another inning. It's never just another ab And 2296 01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:19.600 I love that about the work that they put in. 2297 01:53:19.640 --> 01:53:22.800 And honestly, it's it when you're around that it impacts 2298 01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:25.199 you for sure. It impacts you the way you work out, 2299 01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:28.199 It impacts you in your relationships, like you think of 2300 01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:31.279 different ways to create the proper alignment in every part 2301 01:53:31.279 --> 01:53:31.840 of your life. 2302 01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:33.800 These dudes are champions, man. 2303 01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:36.119 I mean, I I don't know if they'll I mean, 2304 01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:37.600 we got a guy that was the winning pitcher in 2305 01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:39.479 Game six of the World Series in twenty twenty, you know, 2306 01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:40.479 the Victor and Gonzales. 2307 01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:43.319 We have dudes that want gold gloves. We have guys 2308 01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:44.880 that did some incredible stuff. 2309 01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:48.680 And you're thinking, man, somebody may not remember that, but 2310 01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:50.159 let me tell you the people that do and the 2311 01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:52.239 people that know you know you're a champion, dude. 2312 01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:55.000 Yeah, And it's interesting, and we'll catch a break real quick, 2313 01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:58.000 Like how many years did Steve do it? How many games? 2314 01:53:58.079 --> 01:54:01.399 Twenty nine years? He was over four thousand, four thousand games. 2315 01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:03.880 And I would go to other markets and I'd just 2316 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:06.680 be driving around in my rental car and I'd turn 2317 01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:09.119 on a baseball game. I'd beg, Steve's better than this guy. 2318 01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:12.079 Yeah right, And but you know, to do something for 2319 01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:15.640 twenty nine years, over four thousand games, and it's the 2320 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:18.439 same thing as a player. I'm sure Steve if his 2321 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:20.880 phone rang one day and it was the Dodgers or something, 2322 01:54:21.039 --> 01:54:23.279 that's a bad example because they had Vin scull or whatever. 2323 01:54:23.319 --> 01:54:26.720 But if that's a Major League Baseball call up for 2324 01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:29.279 an announcer, your life change is the same way a 2325 01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:32.079 player does. It's kind of the same dynamic. You know. 2326 01:54:32.279 --> 01:54:34.439 You just respect the fact that you keep going even 2327 01:54:34.439 --> 01:54:37.000 when the call doesn't come. I think Steve had I 2328 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:39.680 forget a handful of call ups like he and some 2329 01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:41.720 with the Angels. He did something with the Blue Jays, 2330 01:54:41.800 --> 01:54:44.079 and you know, and he had different series that he covered, 2331 01:54:44.079 --> 01:54:46.760 and I was so happy for him, and you know, 2332 01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:48.439 you couldn't help it to be ever, that's like a 2333 01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:49.199 call up for him. 2334 01:54:49.479 --> 01:54:50.800 It was only thirty of those spots. 2335 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:55.279 And so that guy brought it every single day, even 2336 01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:57.760 after he knew it was very unlikely it was ever 2337 01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:02.000 gonna happen. Yeah, and he still brought every single Nobody 2338 01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:02.840 brought it like he didn't. 2339 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:05.079 That's a real lesson. That's why with this job, I 2340 01:55:05.119 --> 01:55:06.560 told people it's personal. You know. 2341 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:09.399 People are trying to say like, it's never personally, Yes, 2342 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:13.479 it is. This one's personal because of the connection I 2343 01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:15.720 had with him, the connection I had with the team, 2344 01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:18.600 the connection I had with individual people, my family history 2345 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:21.800 and how it weaved into it. And there's a responsibility 2346 01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:23.279 with that job not just to be great at and 2347 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:25.800 perform well, but it's everything behind the scenes, the cultural part, 2348 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:28.319 the camaraderie part, the leadership part. 2349 01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:30.479 It's you. You bring it every day. 2350 01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:33.319 And so Keith Johnson, the manager of the team, and 2351 01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:35.479 I have talked a bit about that too, because he 2352 01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:38.760 was around Steve a lot, and around Steve is a player, 2353 01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:41.119 he's around Steve is a manager, and it's like, yeah, No, 2354 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:44.000 he brought it every day and I'm gonna do that too. Yeah, 2355 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:47.039 and we'll bring it differently, but there's a standard there 2356 01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:48.920 and I love that Steve had it and I'm honored 2357 01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:49.560 to follow into it. 2358 01:55:49.680 --> 01:55:52.479 Soal League Bees have a new hive opening week. It's 2359 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:55.479 rolling tomorrow through the thirteenth. It's the inaugural season at 2360 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:58.520 the ballpark at America First Square in South Jordan. Every 2361 01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:01.000 game is gonna have giveaways you just kind of outlined, 2362 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:05.439 So check out SLBs dot com for more information. More 2363 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:07.600 with Tony coming up next with six Gears, we'll do 2364 01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:10.119 a little bit on the local scene, maybe some college 2365 01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:13.319 basketball and football, maybe some jazz stuff. Tony Parks is 2366 01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:16.359 live in studio, the voice of the Salt Lake Bees, 2367 01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:21.479 and a number of other things. Anybody doesn't like Tom Penny, 2368 01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.840 I don't know that would be tough. He's like vanilla 2369 01:56:24.880 --> 01:56:27.039 ice cream. I mean you kind of everyone likes the 2370 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:30.079 scoop of vanell ice cream sometimes, right, exactly, many rest 2371 01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:30.399 in peace. 2372 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.680 He may not be your fave, but I've never heard 2373 01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:35.680 anybody who's like, oh, Tom Petty sucks. 2374 01:56:36.439 --> 01:56:39.880 Tom Petty has some incredible album, some incredible songs. And 2375 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:42.159 for a guy that kind of had a monotone voice 2376 01:56:42.199 --> 01:56:43.920 without a lot of range, gotta give him a lot 2377 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:46.880 of credit. I do, for sure, for sure, for sure, 2378 01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:50.199 outside of being the voice of the Salt Lake Bees, 2379 01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:53.000 you wear several different hats. What's the latest? I can't 2380 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:54.840 keep up with all your jobs. What are you doing now? 2381 01:56:54.880 --> 01:56:54.960 Now? 2382 01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:58.479 I finished up with all the college basketball stuff with ESPN. 2383 01:56:58.800 --> 01:56:59.199 Loved it. 2384 01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:02.760 Conference tournament was awesome. Did the Big Sky again this year? 2385 01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:05.319 Had you know a good number of games on ESPN 2386 01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:09.479 two and ESPNU and you know Joe Cravens, and I 2387 01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:13.520 just once again that there's nothing like having a great teammate. 2388 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:17.600 He's an outstanding teammate. He's a really unselfish player. You 2389 01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:20.119 as a broadcast team, and I mean you worked with 2390 01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:22.960 Gordon for all those years. You guys really built something 2391 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:25.199 great where there was there was a great camaraderie. 2392 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:27.560 I think the listener always really appreciated it. I know 2393 01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:28.000 I did. 2394 01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:33.960 The bizarre left field humor of Cordon was outstanding. Joe 2395 01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:37.199 Cravens has that, I mean just has it, man, and 2396 01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:39.800 so he would always have ways to make fun of me. 2397 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:43.319 That was just perfect right touch. You know, Tony, I 2398 01:57:43.560 --> 01:57:46.319 I'm on't you. You know when I was hard on 2399 01:57:46.359 --> 01:57:48.800 my players, that was yeah, it was tough love, but 2400 01:57:48.920 --> 01:57:51.520 they knew I loved him. Now with you, it's just 2401 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.439 it's tough. You know. 2402 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:54.359 He just always have. 2403 01:57:54.439 --> 01:57:56.880 These little things that were fun, and so he doesn't 2404 01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.640 take himself so seriously. And then people would say, well, 2405 01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:01.800 you're the are you like the Bill Walton. No, that 2406 01:58:01.960 --> 01:58:06.520 dude is prepped and loved Bill prepped. And the inside 2407 01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:08.520 of the game was great and the humor, yeah, so 2408 01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:10.680 I did a ton of that. It was a blast 2409 01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:13.800 in some utes games as well Utes women's games throughout 2410 01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:17.239 the year on ESPN Plus. So really had a great 2411 01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:19.119 time with it man throughout the year. So the college 2412 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:22.079 basketball stuff was in the rearview mirror and then now 2413 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:27.000 just some production stuff all around, and then enjoying toddler life, right, 2414 01:58:27.560 --> 01:58:29.119 little Sophie, how old self? 2415 01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:29.239 Now? 2416 01:58:29.319 --> 01:58:33.520 She's seventeen months, seventeen months and she's fun You better 2417 01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:35.720 enjoy it, dude. I know you're a blank and they're gone. 2418 01:58:36.039 --> 01:58:39.319 She's just a blast man. Connor is turning twenty four 2419 01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:43.840 in August, Like, yes, I have a twenty four year 2420 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:45.520 old sign in August, So you better enjoy it. I 2421 01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:47.359 say it all the time, you know, it's funny. There's 2422 01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:51.319 an intimacy to radio that's a little bit different than 2423 01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:53.760 any other medium. It's one of the reasons I like it. 2424 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.159 You get a little bit of it with podcasting. But 2425 01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.119 Chris Russol Mad Dog talks about this all the time, 2426 01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:06.399 how the intimacy of live radio as a expression in 2427 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.800 the medium that it is. There's a more intimate connection 2428 01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:12.960 to your audience because you are literally hearing me talk. 2429 01:59:13.119 --> 01:59:15.000 This is not prepared I have notes, you know me, 2430 01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:19.800 I do the work, but this is unscripted live communication 2431 01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:23.079 where I'm talking into this microphone and wherever you're listening, 2432 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:25.800 it is coming through your radio and you're hearing exactly 2433 01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:27.720 what I'm saying in real time. It's nothing like that. 2434 01:59:27.920 --> 01:59:30.600 There's an intimacy to this thing. It's different. And people 2435 01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:32.640 over the years has said, what is it like working 2436 01:59:32.640 --> 01:59:35.119 with other people in radio? And I always say the 2437 01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:37.840 same thing. If you get along with a person and 2438 01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:40.720 if you have good chemistry, there's nothing better than doing 2439 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:42.800 that every day for four hours with somebody who you 2440 01:59:42.960 --> 01:59:46.720 like and you get along with and you have mutual respect. 2441 01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:49.079 There's nothing better than doing it with a good partner. 2442 01:59:49.600 --> 01:59:52.319 And there's nothing worse than doing it day to day 2443 01:59:52.319 --> 01:59:55.800 with somebody who you just want to strangle in the 2444 01:59:55.800 --> 01:59:59.640 same studio. So yeah, I just whether it's Joe Craven's 2445 01:59:59.680 --> 02:00:01.319 or whoever it is, you know, if you have the 2446 02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:05.159 right partner, there's there's a magic and an intimacy to 2447 02:00:05.199 --> 02:00:07.560 this medium that you don't get anywhere else. You really don't. 2448 02:00:07.880 --> 02:00:10.760 I think you're spot on with that, and there's nothing 2449 02:00:10.920 --> 02:00:13.920 like it. When the magic really hits, when it's there 2450 02:00:14.399 --> 02:00:17.560 and the listener looks forward to it, it's another great episode. 2451 02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:20.319 It's like a part of their daily routine and you 2452 02:00:20.399 --> 02:00:22.479 feel that and you sense that, and I've had that 2453 02:00:22.520 --> 02:00:24.159 before and there's nothing like it. 2454 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:24.800 You know. 2455 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:28.560 I had a show that lasted what almost ten years, 2456 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:29.640 and that's. 2457 02:00:29.359 --> 02:00:29.920 What we had. 2458 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:33.279 It was really, really great and having that is a 2459 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:35.760 part of the everyday thing. Then you look forward to 2460 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:38.239 going you know, you're not sure what's gonna happen, like 2461 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:39.039 a guy like Gordon. 2462 02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:40.880 I mean the curve balls were incredible. 2463 02:00:41.479 --> 02:00:47.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, asked frank Is Sola the question where 2464 02:00:47.760 --> 02:00:50.279 he asked, or all they'll be hookers and. 2465 02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:59.359 All the hookers I forgotten about whoa I forget it was, Yeah, 2466 02:00:59.399 --> 02:01:00.319 you're talking about freak. 2467 02:01:00.359 --> 02:01:02.239 I said, Oh, I wouldn't go to a Washington Wizards 2468 02:01:02.279 --> 02:01:03.880 game unless you had a limo and this and that. 2469 02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:06.520 You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need a full dinner 2470 02:01:06.560 --> 02:01:09.119 and this and that, and Gordion comes out of nowhere 2471 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.399 goes are there gonna be hookers? 2472 02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:14.239 And just had a left field. I'm like we were 2473 02:01:14.279 --> 02:01:17.039 talking about the Knicks or something and Gordon asked, if 2474 02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:20.600 he's hiring hookers, Lrden, what are you doing it? But 2475 02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:22.479 the way so there's two parts of this. 2476 02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:25.399 The way you played off of so when people ask 2477 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:27.840 me like did you enjoy doing the impersonations and this 2478 02:01:27.880 --> 02:01:29.520 and that, and I said, it depends on who I 2479 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:31.800 had with sure, and I had a coach who was 2480 02:01:31.880 --> 02:01:34.680 terrific with it. You were outstanding. You were really really 2481 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:37.800 good at knowing how to play off of U because 2482 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:40.640 then it would keep it light, fun and moving. But 2483 02:01:40.760 --> 02:01:43.239 I've been on the air, like I was on somewhere 2484 02:01:43.319 --> 02:01:45.279 like North Carolina Stull. 2485 02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:47.279 Lou Holtz and I was going and they full on. 2486 02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:49.720 Correct me, like, hey, I coach, Yeah, just so you 2487 02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:52.359 know that's actually North Carolina. I think you got that wrong. 2488 02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:54.079 It's like, well where do we go now? Right, Like, 2489 02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:56.359 so there's a there's a way to play off of 2490 02:01:56.399 --> 02:01:59.199 one another. Joe has that ability as a basketball announcer. 2491 02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:03.279 Gordon had that beautifully as as a co host, and 2492 02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:07.000 I thought you did as well. And to your point, 2493 02:02:07.560 --> 02:02:10.399 it becomes something the listener, like, it becomes a part 2494 02:02:10.399 --> 02:02:13.479 of him. That's when and then also the authenticity starts 2495 02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:15.920 to show more in the show host and the fun 2496 02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:16.600 that goes in that. 2497 02:02:16.840 --> 02:02:19.560 Yeah, is that nothing that beats him? Yeah? And Gordon 2498 02:02:19.720 --> 02:02:21.800 was such a great sport because I just used to 2499 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:24.199 crack him over the head, you know, and he would 2500 02:02:24.239 --> 02:02:26.479 play because Gordon's a very sharp guy and he's a 2501 02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:30.239 very good rider, and he's very good, very sharp guy. 2502 02:02:30.319 --> 02:02:32.920 But he was a very good sport. Whenever I just 2503 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.960 crack on him over I forgot about the Isola thing. 2504 02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:39.000 You know, it's funny because we I remember we were 2505 02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:41.880 We did a lot of jazz preff and postgame shows 2506 02:02:42.279 --> 02:02:44.399 in addition to working with each other day to day. 2507 02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:48.680 And the CHOC stuff was like so good because I 2508 02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:51.439 didn't know you had a good KOC before we started working. 2509 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:55.199 And for our listeners, KOC at the time was jazz 2510 02:02:55.239 --> 02:02:59.520 executive Kevin O'Connor, not the ringer Rider or whoever that 2511 02:02:59.560 --> 02:03:02.640 guy is. And Kevin had kind of phased himself out 2512 02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:05.000 of the organization like Dennis Lindsay was kind of in. 2513 02:03:05.760 --> 02:03:09.039 And I just remember like your KOC rants where you 2514 02:03:09.039 --> 02:03:13.119 would quote like TLC waterfalls to puk and I would 2515 02:03:13.159 --> 02:03:16.199 stop you, like, KOC, that's TLC. You can't use that. 2516 02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:18.159 You know, you can't pretend like that's your own. You 2517 02:03:18.159 --> 02:03:21.159 need to stop. And it made those late nights so 2518 02:03:21.279 --> 02:03:23.439 much fun. You know, we had Britton who would fall 2519 02:03:23.479 --> 02:03:26.159 off chairs and Jake would stop. I was those were 2520 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:26.600 fun days. 2521 02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:28.960 They were great days, and I enjoyed it because it 2522 02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:32.680 was it was lighthearted. The best part of the KOC 2523 02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:36.119 one that was the only one where we got directed, Okay, 2524 02:03:36.159 --> 02:03:38.920 you have to stop doing that, right and I was like, Okay, 2525 02:03:38.920 --> 02:03:42.560 we make it pretty obvious it's not him, because I'd 2526 02:03:42.600 --> 02:03:46.760 literally go, you know, we're gonna line up every possible 2527 02:03:46.840 --> 02:03:49.960 draft pick we have him due to Krispy Kreme challenge 2528 02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:52.760 and which you ever one come finish it and hit 2529 02:03:52.800 --> 02:03:54.600 a three point? 2530 02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:56.760 You know that's that's the guy that goes to the 2531 02:03:56.800 --> 02:04:00.560 top of the draft board. Clearly not something is your 2532 02:04:00.640 --> 02:04:04.159 voice sounds just like his? That was the issue we. 2533 02:04:04.159 --> 02:04:07.680 Would get people in not in the league necessarily been 2534 02:04:07.680 --> 02:04:09.960 in the market, Yeah, who would say like I heard 2535 02:04:10.039 --> 02:04:12.880 him last night talking about this whole thing, and like 2536 02:04:12.920 --> 02:04:14.720 how Tupac inspired. 2537 02:04:14.279 --> 02:04:15.800 Him, right right, right right. 2538 02:04:16.119 --> 02:04:18.600 And finally the organization had to say, look, man, we 2539 02:04:18.640 --> 02:04:21.279 know it's funny, we know it's a spoof, but enough 2540 02:04:21.359 --> 02:04:26.119 people are actually thinking Kevin O'Connor is coming on the 2541 02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:28.439 postgame show ye talking about this. 2542 02:04:28.439 --> 02:04:31.520 Just dropping random lyrics or talking about what he wants 2543 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:34.520 for Christmas, you know, just weird things like Nadies Walkman 2544 02:04:34.600 --> 02:04:37.359 had said, yeah, so good whatever, Yeah. 2545 02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:40.199 And it was so blatant, but it just it got 2546 02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:41.520 to the point where they had to shut it down. 2547 02:04:41.840 --> 02:04:44.159 It was fun though, you know it's funny because I've 2548 02:04:44.199 --> 02:04:47.920 often thought about you know, I'll get people all the 2549 02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:50.520 time like, hey, you're going to Jazz games this year? 2550 02:04:50.960 --> 02:04:53.319 How many games have you been to? And I don't 2551 02:04:53.319 --> 02:04:56.439 know if it was because we were at basically all 2552 02:04:56.520 --> 02:04:58.840 of them for seven straight years. You know, with some 2553 02:04:58.920 --> 02:05:03.319 exceptions here there. It's a it's a different ask to 2554 02:05:03.399 --> 02:05:07.079 do that pre half in post game when they're bad. 2555 02:05:07.359 --> 02:05:09.600 Like we started working together, I think it was Ty 2556 02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:13.560 Corbyn's maybe Ties last year was my first year on 2557 02:05:13.600 --> 02:05:16.000 the pre aff and Pels maybe tis first year. You 2558 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:19.479 did the luckout year. Okay, yeah, so the playoff year 2559 02:05:19.920 --> 02:05:24.119 out yeah, yeah, And so you know, there was not 2560 02:05:24.520 --> 02:05:27.439 a lot of hope with that team. And do respect 2561 02:05:27.479 --> 02:05:29.960 to guys like Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson, they're just 2562 02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:33.520 Kevin O'Connor did the best he could by parlaying the boozer, 2563 02:05:34.079 --> 02:05:37.000 you know, Booze leaves for Chicago. The Jazz got a 2564 02:05:37.039 --> 02:05:39.439 trade exception, so Kevin used it to get Al Jefferson. 2565 02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:40.960 It was kind of like, let's put a band aid 2566 02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:43.479 on this till we can figure something out, which they 2567 02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:46.359 did with Hayward and Favors and that group started to 2568 02:05:46.399 --> 02:05:50.079 go forward. But Ties last year Quinn's first year. Those 2569 02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:52.199 were long nights. I mean it was tough to make 2570 02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:54.760 that very interesting. I can't imagine what it's like trying 2571 02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:55.720 to polish this turn. 2572 02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:58.560 No, it is tough too because that team, at least 2573 02:05:58.600 --> 02:05:59.359 they were trying to win. 2574 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:01.399 It was what's the next move? What are you trying 2575 02:06:01.439 --> 02:06:03.520 to do? The hard part is it's clear what they're doing. 2576 02:06:04.119 --> 02:06:06.399 The challenge is now that you know what they're doing, 2577 02:06:06.600 --> 02:06:08.600 this has never really been a part of what the 2578 02:06:08.680 --> 02:06:11.439 Jazz do, so then you have to be like, hey, 2579 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:12.279 this guy's looking good. 2580 02:06:12.279 --> 02:06:13.520 Here, this is going well there? 2581 02:06:14.640 --> 02:06:17.920 I mean trying to figure out like like to speak 2582 02:06:17.960 --> 02:06:22.119 positively on it and then also be aware and cognizant 2583 02:06:22.119 --> 02:06:23.920 of clearly what the organization's doing. 2584 02:06:24.119 --> 02:06:26.199 I've said it before, love it, hate it. 2585 02:06:26.319 --> 02:06:28.920 They have a vision for long term future success like 2586 02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:30.399 the Celtics just had last year. 2587 02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:31.760 This was the start of it. 2588 02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:35.720 What was fun about those nights and what made it 2589 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:38.880 really special was the people that we would have and 2590 02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:41.479 listeners who were part of a team that didn't win 2591 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:43.760 a ton and you know, you weren't sure exactly what 2592 02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:44.279 was going on. 2593 02:06:44.439 --> 02:06:46.199 They had a lot of fun listening to Koc. 2594 02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:52.119 There was nothing funnier than the authentic human element version 2595 02:06:52.279 --> 02:06:55.640 of Britton Johnson. When he would randomly be like, yeah, 2596 02:06:55.720 --> 02:06:58.760 you'd ask him something, he'd go in the mic and 2597 02:06:58.800 --> 02:06:59.960 they'd be like, yeah, I don't know. 2598 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:03.720 I think I think, wait, are we on air? Yeah? 2599 02:07:03.800 --> 02:07:07.079 Right now? Yes, talking to that microphone on air right now? 2600 02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:08.960 And we have been because he would sit there and 2601 02:07:08.960 --> 02:07:12.520 watch TV yeah and blank out, and then you would 2602 02:07:12.520 --> 02:07:13.680 ask him something and he's. 2603 02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:15.960 Like, well, I don't know, well hold on, are we 2604 02:07:16.000 --> 02:07:16.319 on air? 2605 02:07:16.359 --> 02:07:20.359 And you're like like those moments like he was so 2606 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:24.520 intentionally not intentionally funny, then it gave it a human 2607 02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:27.399 element to the whole thing. And the one time, I 2608 02:07:27.399 --> 02:07:29.760 mean I had several moments with him where I'm like, yeah, 2609 02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:31.479 the breaking news, you know this and that the other 2610 02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:33.760 Derek Favors is going to play tonight. 2611 02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:35.680 He's back. You know, I said, the ankle feels good. 2612 02:07:35.720 --> 02:07:38.920 Whatever it is, you know, alongside Britton Johnson and Tony 2613 02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:41.199 Parks Britain. You know we have this, we have this, 2614 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.560 we have that, and it's the Jazz and Calves. You're 2615 02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:45.960 on a you know, Saturday night. He goes, yeah, no, 2616 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:48.359 it's interesting. Now do we know if Favors is playing 2617 02:07:48.479 --> 02:07:51.680 or I'm like, well, I just announced the breaking news. 2618 02:07:53.079 --> 02:07:56.279 Yeah no, he would get distracted, kind of like that 2619 02:07:56.439 --> 02:07:59.800 dogging up that saw squirrels. Because I could, on a 2620 02:08:00.039 --> 02:08:03.199 number of occasions, like you just outlined, I would kind 2621 02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:05.880 of bring us back in. I would set the scene, Heyward, 2622 02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:08.399 this whatever, and then i'd ask him a question. He'd 2623 02:08:08.439 --> 02:08:12.720 be like, I forgot what you asked me. He just 2624 02:08:12.720 --> 02:08:16.119 just completely forgot the entire thing. And of course when 2625 02:08:16.159 --> 02:08:19.399 he fell off his chair and we had the audio 2626 02:08:19.600 --> 02:08:22.560 and I just plowed right you did. It was quintessential you. 2627 02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:25.520 It was quintessential Jake. Jake's laughing, you're the pro that 2628 02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:29.640 just and Britt and his six' ten six eleven frames sprawled. 2629 02:08:29.640 --> 02:08:34.000 Out it was. Fun but you, know it's it's just 2630 02:08:34.279 --> 02:08:38.079 it's a tough Ask tony as far as what they're 2631 02:08:38.119 --> 02:08:40.880 doing this. Year and AS i say all the, time 2632 02:08:40.920 --> 02:08:42.960 AND i get some flat from some of the guys down, 2633 02:08:42.960 --> 02:08:44.840 there the dude listen to some of the stuff we. 2634 02:08:44.920 --> 02:08:49.239 Do it just. Sucks it's such a tough. Ask, now 2635 02:08:49.560 --> 02:08:52.079 As i've been saying all, year it's probably the right 2636 02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:55.840 course of action based off of their failure to see 2637 02:08:56.479 --> 02:08:59.840 exactly how they needed to handle this when they Traded 2638 02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:03.039 bear and when they Traded. Mitchell like this whole narrative 2639 02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:05.279 they've tried to further over the past few, weeks, like, 2640 02:09:05.319 --> 02:09:07.880 hey we haven't been rebuilding because we've been tearing down 2641 02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:12.119 for three. Years i'm, like who is buying. That you 2642 02:09:12.239 --> 02:09:16.000 started rebuilding when you Traded donovan and you Traded rudy 2643 02:09:16.279 --> 02:09:18.520 and a really smart head coach didn't want to work for, 2644 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:21.239 you and a really smart general manager decided he was done. 2645 02:09:21.239 --> 02:09:25.039 Too that's the. Rebuild that's when it. Starts if you 2646 02:09:25.079 --> 02:09:27.279 took three years to tear it, down you did it. 2647 02:09:27.439 --> 02:09:31.079 Wrong so they're finally doing it. Right it's just really, 2648 02:09:31.199 --> 02:09:34.880 hard you know, Me i'll watch basketball at three. Am, 2649 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:39.560 yeah BUT i this is a tough one stomach to watching. 2650 02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:42.520 Them this year has been really, DIFFICULT i think this. 2651 02:09:42.560 --> 02:09:44.319 One and that's Why i've told the. 2652 02:09:44.319 --> 02:09:47.279 Fans if you're the person who, says, Look i'm not 2653 02:09:47.319 --> 02:09:49.840 going to spend my money until you get serious about moving, 2654 02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:52.960 upward that doesn't make you, arrogant doesn't make you, selfish 2655 02:09:53.039 --> 02:09:55.640 doesn't mean you're a bad, fan doesn't mean that you know, 2656 02:09:55.840 --> 02:09:56.600 well don't. 2657 02:09:56.359 --> 02:09:57.760 Come around when this team starts. 2658 02:09:57.800 --> 02:10:01.000 Winning, Well, no this is a, business and this is 2659 02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:01.600 about money for. 2660 02:10:01.600 --> 02:10:02.399 You it's about money for. 2661 02:10:02.439 --> 02:10:05.399 Me If i'm a, fan you, know AND i. Have 2662 02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:07.600 WHEN i was In, chicago we were the same. Way 2663 02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:09.760 we talked, About, okay The bears do, this they're dysfunctional, 2664 02:10:09.760 --> 02:10:12.079 here but you, know you're going to the games and 2665 02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:14.239 you're spending the money and you're this and, that AND i, thought. 2666 02:10:14.119 --> 02:10:16.399 Right and if you, don't it doesn't make you less 2667 02:10:16.399 --> 02:10:16.960 of a. Fan for. 2668 02:10:17.000 --> 02:10:20.560 Sure when the McCaskey family just completely botches everything they're. 2669 02:10:20.600 --> 02:10:24.399 Doing so When i'm watching what's happening, Here i'm, like, no, 2670 02:10:24.399 --> 02:10:26.560 no in anyway you make the. Decision this is really 2671 02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:30.720 unfamiliar territory because even when The jazz weren't, good you were, Like, 2672 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:32.640 okay here's what they're trying to, do here's what they 2673 02:10:32.640 --> 02:10:36.159 could be. Doing, Okay quinn's first, year you remember they 2674 02:10:36.199 --> 02:10:39.399 finished what sixteen and seven their last twenty three games 2675 02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:41.199 something like, that and you're, like, wow they BEAT i 2676 02:10:41.199 --> 02:10:43.119 remember they beat Like Tony parker in The spurs one, 2677 02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:46.680 night Beat Russell westbrook AND okc and they had like 2678 02:10:46.720 --> 02:10:48.720 this stretch of winning where you're, going, man they're winning 2679 02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:51.159 With Bryce cotton And Chris johnson And. 2680 02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:56.279 Jack what was that dude's. Name, oh it's gonna drive 2681 02:10:56.319 --> 02:10:59.720 Me Jack. Jack he's a big, center Big Notre dame. 2682 02:10:59.800 --> 02:11:00.520 Kid ah. 2683 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:04.000 Man he was like a fan favorite for fifteen. Minutes 2684 02:11:04.039 --> 02:11:08.039 Andy Jack, Cooley Jack. Cooley, yeah, yeah the winning games 2685 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:10.439 with you, know, yeah just a bunch of dudes out. 2686 02:11:10.479 --> 02:11:12.239 There you'd See quinn had some. Juice it was. 2687 02:11:12.279 --> 02:11:14.600 Outstanding so you're, Like, okay there's a, future it's right 2688 02:11:14.600 --> 02:11:15.439 around the corner with. 2689 02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:17.479 This. Yeah, no it's. Tough it's tough because now. 2690 02:11:17.439 --> 02:11:19.479 You're waiting for a draft pick to be a, splash 2691 02:11:19.640 --> 02:11:21.079 to win some, headlines to do. 2692 02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:22.760 This you know. 2693 02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:27.239 WHAT i was in agreement with The Rudy donovan thing 2694 02:11:27.279 --> 02:11:29.399 BECAUSE i just felt like they were so far out 2695 02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:32.279 of alignment that there was a trust issue altogether somewhere 2696 02:11:32.279 --> 02:11:35.159 there and you should start over. ANEW i did not 2697 02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:37.359 think they would be quite in this position three. 2698 02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:38.079 YEARS i really. 2699 02:11:38.079 --> 02:11:41.439 DIDN'T i REALLY i THOUGHT i, one maybe, two and 2700 02:11:41.479 --> 02:11:43.399 then you have all the assets and enough to work 2701 02:11:43.439 --> 02:11:45.920 with that you could move up in drafts and you 2702 02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:48.640 can have the culture of defensive mindset and going forward 2703 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:50.760 with the principles kind of Like quinn, did where you 2704 02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:51.600 start to see an upward. 2705 02:11:51.640 --> 02:11:56.640 Search So i'll always, wonder and this is just simply anecdotal. 2706 02:11:56.720 --> 02:12:00.359 Hypothetical it's not, real it doesn't, matter but all always 2707 02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:05.119 wonder If danny decided to do The donovan deal and 2708 02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:10.079 not The ruty. DEAL, a Does quinn? Stay? Okay and 2709 02:12:10.479 --> 02:12:12.600 b what does that look? Like because if you do 2710 02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:16.439 The mitchell deal and you bring in marketing and you 2711 02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:19.039 get you, know four or five draft picks and swaps 2712 02:12:19.079 --> 02:12:21.279 from from The calves and you get a bulk of 2713 02:12:21.399 --> 02:12:24.960 draft capital that, way and you don't do the God bear, 2714 02:12:25.079 --> 02:12:29.159 deal Does quinn? Stay Does dennis? Stay and the answer 2715 02:12:29.239 --> 02:12:31.439 to both of those questions might be, no BECAUSE i 2716 02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:33.640 just don't think they wanted to work for this new ownership. 2717 02:12:33.640 --> 02:12:35.520 Group And i'll let them answer that in their own 2718 02:12:35.560 --> 02:12:39.800 time and whatever way they prefer to do. It but 2719 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:42.760 if we play the hypothetical where you do The mitchell 2720 02:12:42.800 --> 02:12:46.800 deal and you get marketing and you Keep, bogdanovich You Keith, 2721 02:12:46.840 --> 02:12:50.760 Conley Royce. INGLES i mean at that Point joey was 2722 02:12:50.760 --> 02:12:52.920 a little bit. Older he'd hurt his. Acl you, know 2723 02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:54.880 we used to talk About royce like he Was Bruce 2724 02:12:54.920 --> 02:12:57.279 bowen from nineteen ninety. Ninety he just WASN'T i don't 2725 02:12:57.279 --> 02:12:59.800 know how BIG i was on, him but you get the, point, 2726 02:12:59.840 --> 02:13:02.640 like so you Have, gobert you have, marketing you Have, 2727 02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:07.279 bogdanovich you Have, conley you, know then the other bit 2728 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:11.359 pieces that you, have and then you utilize The mitchell 2729 02:13:11.600 --> 02:13:13.479 trade to get the draft capital that you need to 2730 02:13:13.560 --> 02:13:17.319 keep kind of building around the. EDGES i don't. KNOW i, 2731 02:13:17.319 --> 02:13:20.800 mean that's probably still you, know nothing more than a 2732 02:13:20.840 --> 02:13:23.279 top six or seven seed in The, West so it's 2733 02:13:23.279 --> 02:13:26.239 not like there's a lot of upboard. Trajectory but based 2734 02:13:26.279 --> 02:13:29.479 off of how bad it's been and how unwatchable they've 2735 02:13:29.479 --> 02:13:31.720 been for three years, NOW i Think i'll always kind 2736 02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:34.119 of wonder what that looked. Like if they Trade donovan 2737 02:13:34.600 --> 02:13:37.199 and then Keep, gobert then you Give donovan what he 2738 02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:39.840 wants clearly clearly clearly didn't want to be here. Anymore 2739 02:13:40.159 --> 02:13:42.279 you keep a guy that's still really good that wanted 2740 02:13:42.359 --> 02:13:44.640 to be, here And, rudy and then you figure out 2741 02:13:44.680 --> 02:13:47.439 ways to kind of supplement that, group and your bulk 2742 02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:52.000 would Be, gobert Market, In, Conley. Bogdanovitch it's not a championship, 2743 02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:53.840 team but it's not THIS i think it gives the 2744 02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:56.920 fans at least something hold on. To, Okay, so AND 2745 02:13:57.000 --> 02:13:59.960 i don't think you were entirely wrong that my person 2746 02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:02.800 is this perception based on you, know other people that 2747 02:14:02.880 --> 02:14:04.039 you get to know and talk, to AND i Know 2748 02:14:04.279 --> 02:14:06.880 jeff talk to a number as. Well my perception is 2749 02:14:06.920 --> 02:14:10.880 the reason they moved both is because whatever the issue, was. 2750 02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.720 Each of them had a problem in this the trust 2751 02:14:15.720 --> 02:14:17.960 issue that. Exists there's no way you can look at 2752 02:14:17.960 --> 02:14:20.760 that roster and how they underperformed and say that there 2753 02:14:20.840 --> 02:14:24.000 wasn't a trust. Issue clearly there was something that was not. 2754 02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:26.199 Wrong they had no business being that bad defensively at, 2755 02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:28.279 times being a one. 2756 02:14:28.199 --> 02:14:30.000 And done in THE nba. 2757 02:14:30.119 --> 02:14:32.279 PLAYOFFS i, mean they were built with a Defensive player 2758 02:14:32.279 --> 02:14:35.800 of the, year budding, Superstar All star point, guard a 2759 02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:37.319 guy that'd been To game, six man of the. 2760 02:14:37.359 --> 02:14:39.279 YEAR i, mean come, on, man some a dead eye. 2761 02:14:39.279 --> 02:14:43.079 SHOOTER i, mean you're looking at real weapons, here and 2762 02:14:43.640 --> 02:14:46.199 they it wasn't gonna. Work so my thought was when 2763 02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:48.960 they traded, BOTH i thought it was a good move 2764 02:14:49.199 --> 02:14:53.039 because whatever the issues, were say with one of, them 2765 02:14:53.079 --> 02:14:55.479 like each of them had their. Faults if you move, 2766 02:14:55.560 --> 02:14:58.960 one keep the other the other is always going to 2767 02:14:59.079 --> 02:15:01.239 feel but their part. 2768 02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:03.119 Of this issue was not a. 2769 02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:05.680 Problem it's going to be impossible to convince them, that 2770 02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:07.880 yes we moved, them yes we kept, You yes we want, 2771 02:15:07.920 --> 02:15:10.039 you yes we believe in, you but you still got 2772 02:15:10.039 --> 02:15:13.399 to change. This this was toxic or this was, bad 2773 02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:17.000 or this was hurtful to the. Team you are never 2774 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:19.920 going to convince them of that because the results of 2775 02:15:19.960 --> 02:15:23.279 the situation they, stayed the other guy was, gone and 2776 02:15:23.319 --> 02:15:26.000 the perception is that guy was the, problem not. 2777 02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:28.199 Me the reality is each of. 2778 02:15:28.079 --> 02:15:33.000 You more than likely contributed to this issue that even 2779 02:15:33.000 --> 02:15:35.640 A hall Of fame caliber coach in my, opinion which 2780 02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:37.319 IS i think What quinn is, Like he's a. 2781 02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:38.800 Mastermind i'm a huge fan of. 2782 02:15:38.840 --> 02:15:42.079 Him that was the WAY i looked at it was 2783 02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:44.279 that if you kept, one it would be impossible to 2784 02:15:44.279 --> 02:15:47.920 convince them to get rid of the part that was 2785 02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:51.039 a part of the to get for them to get 2786 02:15:51.119 --> 02:15:54.399 rid of the problem issue that they contributed. 2787 02:15:54.439 --> 02:15:59.039 TO i get what you're, saying AND i think ULTIMATELY 2788 02:15:59.479 --> 02:16:03.319 i under understand why they landed on the decision to 2789 02:16:03.359 --> 02:16:06.319 move on from both of, THEM i do, think and 2790 02:16:06.399 --> 02:16:09.119 the timing here is interesting AS i think back on. 2791 02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:13.760 IT i think When quinn said to, Them i'm not doing. 2792 02:16:13.760 --> 02:16:16.239 This you, know it was always interesting to me that 2793 02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:18.560 dog And pony show they had where the, post you, 2794 02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:21.560 know the press conference when they were announcing That quinn was, 2795 02:16:21.640 --> 02:16:26.279 leaving how he just thanked The millers profusely and walked 2796 02:16:26.279 --> 02:16:29.239 over to them profusely and gave them like that Was 2797 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:32.920 quinn's chance to Give gail her flowers and The Miller 2798 02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:36.079 miller's her. Flowers if you go back and listen to 2799 02:16:36.079 --> 02:16:38.079 that and watch, it he didn't say anything About, danny 2800 02:16:38.120 --> 02:16:41.360 didn't say anything About. RYAN i think when the ownership transition, 2801 02:16:41.600 --> 02:16:46.280 changed AND i have some insight On quinn running practices 2802 02:16:46.719 --> 02:16:49.639 and folks from the new ownership group showing up and 2803 02:16:51.360 --> 02:16:56.040 kind of announcing their arrival at, practices and how this 2804 02:16:56.239 --> 02:16:59.239 was going to be the new normal that even before 2805 02:16:59.280 --> 02:17:01.920 the season was, Over Quinn's i'm not interested in this, 2806 02:17:02.719 --> 02:17:05.120 right wrong and. Different i'm not interested in, This. Okay 2807 02:17:05.200 --> 02:17:07.040 ryan and his group have a different approach than The 2808 02:17:07.079 --> 02:17:10.360 miller's hat and only time will tell to see if 2809 02:17:10.399 --> 02:17:12.479 his approach is actually going to. Work at some, POINT 2810 02:17:12.719 --> 02:17:14.399 i think it's only fair to say that the approach 2811 02:17:14.479 --> 02:17:16.799 right now has bred bad, results AND i think it's 2812 02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:22.760 bred some Awkward jersey announcements and things around the periphial 2813 02:17:22.799 --> 02:17:24.959 and certainly things behind closed doors THAT i do know 2814 02:17:25.000 --> 02:17:28.000 about That i'll choose to keep to. Myself AND i 2815 02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:31.040 do understand why ultimately they did land on the decision 2816 02:17:31.040 --> 02:17:32.799 to move on from. Both LIKE i, SAID i think 2817 02:17:32.840 --> 02:17:36.840 the quing call That i'm out expedited their decision making 2818 02:17:36.920 --> 02:17:40.239 to break the whole thing. Down here's my, issue that's 2819 02:17:40.280 --> 02:17:43.920 when you broke things, down not. Now don't sell to 2820 02:17:43.959 --> 02:17:46.280 the fan base that it's it's taken us three years 2821 02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:49.680 to break it. Down. Now one didn't and that's on 2822 02:17:49.799 --> 02:17:53.399 you if it, did because what you're, saying because you 2823 02:17:53.440 --> 02:17:55.840 always have to translate between the lines to get to the, 2824 02:17:55.879 --> 02:18:00.000 truth what you're saying is you did a bad job 2825 02:18:00.120 --> 02:18:03.639 initially of deciding on a direction because you know where 2826 02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:05.760 no man's land is in THE, nba right in the, 2827 02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:09.040 middle and that's the group they Had will's first. Year 2828 02:18:09.600 --> 02:18:13.280 then they decided to break it down In, february and 2829 02:18:13.360 --> 02:18:15.280 in a, way it was kind of the group they 2830 02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.479 had year. Two and then they break it down after 2831 02:18:18.520 --> 02:18:21.120 the deadline so they can maintain their draft. Capital that 2832 02:18:21.319 --> 02:18:24.200 is a series of bad. Decisions when you're running a 2833 02:18:24.239 --> 02:18:26.639 basketball team in THE, nba you either go all, in, 2834 02:18:27.319 --> 02:18:30.000 okay or you're all out so you can rebuild. QUICKER 2835 02:18:30.440 --> 02:18:32.719 i think they essentially wasted two and a half. Years 2836 02:18:32.760 --> 02:18:33.040 that's my. 2837 02:18:33.079 --> 02:18:36.040 Opinion that's WHY i Wanted AND i don't even Know 2838 02:18:36.079 --> 02:18:38.120 Will hardy all that, well But i'm a huge. Fan 2839 02:18:38.280 --> 02:18:40.040 i've watched him, Work i've been up close to see 2840 02:18:40.079 --> 02:18:41.280 him at, work AND. 2841 02:18:41.239 --> 02:18:41.760 I really like. 2842 02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:44.200 HIM i really really like, Him and that's WHY i 2843 02:18:44.200 --> 02:18:48.760 thought he should beginning an, extension because he overperformed and 2844 02:18:48.799 --> 02:18:51.319 then you tore it, down overperformed, again tore it. Down 2845 02:18:51.360 --> 02:18:53.680 now there's this future of when are you going to 2846 02:18:53.760 --> 02:18:56.600 start accelerating winning at a high. LEVEL i don't want 2847 02:18:56.680 --> 02:18:59.920 him in the situation where you, know he now has 2848 02:19:00.120 --> 02:19:03.399 to turn from forty four point third quarters in the 2849 02:19:03.399 --> 02:19:05.520 blink of an eye and forty eight point you, know. 2850 02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:08.319 Dashing defensive issues and stuff like. 2851 02:19:08.360 --> 02:19:11.399 That it's hard to get people to hold themselves accountable 2852 02:19:11.399 --> 02:19:13.680 on that end of the floor if they can clearly 2853 02:19:13.680 --> 02:19:16.399 see what's going, on and if you think they're, agents. 2854 02:19:16.079 --> 02:19:19.559 Like, hey get in there and take a, charge prove your, 2855 02:19:19.600 --> 02:19:20.200 worth you're. 2856 02:19:20.239 --> 02:19:23.559 Wrong, no protect, yourself be, careful put, it put the 2857 02:19:23.600 --> 02:19:27.079 ball in the, basket you, know increase your worth and stay. 2858 02:19:27.079 --> 02:19:31.239 Healthy so it's really hard now to, Go, okay, guys. 2859 02:19:30.959 --> 02:19:34.520 We're gonna start. Winning, now it's time to start digging 2860 02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:36.719 in deep. Culture. Culture. 2861 02:19:36.840 --> 02:19:40.399 Culture, no, no because you have no base for, That 2862 02:19:40.479 --> 02:19:41.319 like what's the jazz? 2863 02:19:41.319 --> 02:19:45.360 Culture what is you taugh jazz? Culture right? Now it 2864 02:19:45.479 --> 02:19:48.000 is undefined and it is work in. 2865 02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:51.239 Progress even when this team wasn't that good twenty six 2866 02:19:51.280 --> 02:19:53.879 wins or you know whatever it was in the year 2867 02:19:53.920 --> 02:19:55.319 you AND i were doing it where they didn't win 2868 02:19:55.399 --> 02:19:56.799 much with The Jamal tinsley and. 2869 02:19:56.879 --> 02:19:59.000 Company when he said they're gonna shock the world Was 2870 02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:02.959 John lucas three ever shock in the, word like we're 2871 02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:04.719 gonna come, Out we're gonna shock the. World AND i was, like, 2872 02:20:04.799 --> 02:20:07.520 no you're. Not you might win thirty, games nobody's getting. 2873 02:20:07.520 --> 02:20:12.440 Shocked, Okay but but you AND i were talking about 2874 02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:14.280 that back. Then but there was at least, okay there's 2875 02:20:14.319 --> 02:20:18.000 a culture, here there's an, identity there's some, definition there's 2876 02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:20.440 some direction to this situation, here it's not. 2877 02:20:20.440 --> 02:20:22.000 There that's WHY i Wanted hardy to have an. 2878 02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:26.520 Extension let's you in my, opinion they owe it to 2879 02:20:26.600 --> 02:20:28.440 him to be fair to him with a long term. 2880 02:20:28.520 --> 02:20:31.280 Vision so when you start to cycle that, way he 2881 02:20:31.440 --> 02:20:34.040 gets some time to weed out some more of that 2882 02:20:34.280 --> 02:20:36.319 to get them to where they ultimately want to go. 2883 02:20:36.639 --> 02:20:38.600 Heart, mind and soul in the proper. Line AND i 2884 02:20:38.639 --> 02:20:41.840 share your optimism About, WILL i really. Do and it's 2885 02:20:41.879 --> 02:20:44.120 not just because of What i've seen since he's been. 2886 02:20:44.200 --> 02:20:46.639 Here it's Conversations i've had with people that have known 2887 02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:49.159 him for, years like he coached With Jeff Van GUNDY usa. 2888 02:20:49.280 --> 02:20:52.520 Basketball Will hardy could get a job in pro basketball 2889 02:20:52.559 --> 02:20:55.360 tomorrow if he decided to leave The. Jazz my fear 2890 02:20:55.520 --> 02:20:58.239 is because, Look, tony if you look around at The 2891 02:20:58.239 --> 02:21:03.280 west right, now it is so freaking. Stacked it's not 2892 02:21:03.399 --> 02:21:05.559 just at the. TOP i, Mean Oklahoma city is, good 2893 02:21:05.559 --> 02:21:07.559 and they're, young and they've got a grip of draft. 2894 02:21:07.600 --> 02:21:11.399 Capital they're gonna be awesome. Forever the fact of the 2895 02:21:11.440 --> 02:21:14.440 matter is The jazz are not A cooper flag away 2896 02:21:14.799 --> 02:21:18.280 from being even close to fine in this. Conference the 2897 02:21:18.360 --> 02:21:21.200 fact of the matter is they are a marathon away 2898 02:21:21.920 --> 02:21:24.200 of being back to where we're used to seeing them 2899 02:21:24.239 --> 02:21:26.840 more often than, not which is at least competitive in 2900 02:21:26.879 --> 02:21:30.479 The Western conference landscape and offering fans hope as some 2901 02:21:30.520 --> 02:21:34.959 of their young players. Develop my fear is if they 2902 02:21:34.959 --> 02:21:38.520 can't get something done this offseason and next year looks 2903 02:21:38.600 --> 02:21:41.120 like this year because they want the thebansa kid or 2904 02:21:41.120 --> 02:21:44.000 one of The boozer twins or, whatever and then we're 2905 02:21:44.000 --> 02:21:47.079 dealing with the same thing next. Offseason if that doesn't 2906 02:21:47.399 --> 02:21:51.079 breed tremendous talent for will to work, with what does 2907 02:21:51.159 --> 02:21:55.600 he do after five years here walking into gym's to 2908 02:21:55.959 --> 02:21:58.639 have a gunfight when he's got a switchblade in his back. 2909 02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:02.600 Pocket he simply can not keep up with his peers 2910 02:22:02.639 --> 02:22:05.239 in the coaching world because he doesn't have. Players what 2911 02:22:05.280 --> 02:22:07.079 does he do a five years past and they haven't 2912 02:22:07.079 --> 02:22:08.239 given him. Talent that's a great. 2913 02:22:08.280 --> 02:22:11.159 POINT i had this conversation with a family member the other. 2914 02:22:11.239 --> 02:22:13.120 DAY i, said, look it worked In. BOSTON i got. 2915 02:22:13.159 --> 02:22:15.840 It it took twelve. Years by the, way it took twelve, 2916 02:22:15.879 --> 02:22:16.399 years it was long. 2917 02:22:16.479 --> 02:22:17.159 TERM i got. 2918 02:22:17.159 --> 02:22:18.799 THAT i understand it was four years and not a lot. 2919 02:22:18.879 --> 02:22:21.680 Happening but then they had the draft picks that they, 2920 02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:24.360 had multiple that they landed on with dudes who started to. 2921 02:22:24.399 --> 02:22:27.479 Emerge but they were in maybe it was the fourth. 2922 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:29.559 Year Maybe i'm wrong it was the fourth or fifth. 2923 02:22:29.639 --> 02:22:31.559 Year they're in the second round of the playoffs IF 2924 02:22:31.559 --> 02:22:34.440 i remember, Right like they're actually like competing really. Well 2925 02:22:34.479 --> 02:22:37.680 you could see, direction you could see and you, know 2926 02:22:37.719 --> 02:22:39.559 it took a lot of. Patience it. Worked it was 2927 02:22:39.600 --> 02:22:41.040 a long term. Plan blah blah. 2928 02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:44.520 Blah there's also the chance of this that it doesn't. 2929 02:22:44.559 --> 02:22:49.520 Work and if it, doesn't, man you're The wizards of The, 2930 02:22:49.559 --> 02:22:52.239 WEST i mean The Washington wizards of The Western conference 2931 02:22:52.239 --> 02:22:53.479 And Larry market and Is Bradley. 2932 02:22:53.520 --> 02:22:57.719 Beal really sucks because this fan base HAS i got. 2933 02:22:57.719 --> 02:22:58.360 It they didn't win a. 2934 02:22:58.440 --> 02:23:01.879 Championship they put together a great formula to put themselves 2935 02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:04.200 on the. DOORSTEP i Thought Dennis lindsay did a great 2936 02:23:04.280 --> 02:23:07.159 job to put together the. FORMULA a top flight coach 2937 02:23:07.239 --> 02:23:10.079 cornerstone pieces, right you, had you could see. 2938 02:23:10.079 --> 02:23:12.360 It and what happened is the leadership of those. 2939 02:23:12.399 --> 02:23:15.840 GUYS i know they were not stocking them alone, necessarily 2940 02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:19.200 but your key cornerstone. Pieces there were issues there was 2941 02:23:19.239 --> 02:23:21.680 stocking them alone that were not to that. Level, okay, 2942 02:23:21.680 --> 02:23:23.520 well some of those things are out of your control 2943 02:23:23.559 --> 02:23:26.280 when you're A, gm all, Right so there's a different 2944 02:23:26.280 --> 02:23:27.840 way to. Go, well they flushed all the way out 2945 02:23:27.879 --> 02:23:30.079 and said we're going to do this totally. DIFFERENT i, Thought, 2946 02:23:30.120 --> 02:23:32.600 OKAY i respect, that but you're gambling on the fact 2947 02:23:32.600 --> 02:23:33.959 that you're going to be right with. This, yep and 2948 02:23:34.000 --> 02:23:35.680 you've got the, assets you got, this you got all 2949 02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:36.200 these wonderful. 2950 02:23:36.200 --> 02:23:36.680 THINGS i got. 2951 02:23:36.680 --> 02:23:40.000 It but, yeah hearing that was one of those Where i'm, Like, 2952 02:23:40.040 --> 02:23:42.200 okay there's no promise this thing's gonna work. 2953 02:23:42.239 --> 02:23:45.000 Either, no it's predicated on a lot of. Luck, like 2954 02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:47.159 that's a tough plan to sell to a fan. Base 2955 02:23:47.200 --> 02:23:49.920 now if the luck falls into, Place and again to your, 2956 02:23:49.959 --> 02:23:53.959 point which is well taken and founded in, information in, 2957 02:23:54.000 --> 02:23:57.680 fact we all understand that this is a long game. 2958 02:23:57.719 --> 02:24:00.120 Play the problem is you didn't start the long game 2959 02:24:00.120 --> 02:24:02.280 three years ago when you traded a twenty five year 2960 02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:04.280 old in his prime and a twenty eight year old 2961 02:24:04.319 --> 02:24:08.040 still very effective. Defensively that's a massive risk for a 2962 02:24:08.079 --> 02:24:09.799 team that plays in Saut lake to move on from. 2963 02:24:09.840 --> 02:24:11.760 Pieces do we all understand why they did, It, yes, 2964 02:24:11.840 --> 02:24:15.639 yes but it was the failure to implement the plan 2965 02:24:15.799 --> 02:24:18.799 immediately and then treading water and then now you're doing, 2966 02:24:18.840 --> 02:24:22.120 it AND i just have to wonder if we would 2967 02:24:22.159 --> 02:24:24.559 see more traction in a positive direction if they actually 2968 02:24:24.559 --> 02:24:26.799 started the plan three years ago when they traded away 2969 02:24:26.799 --> 02:24:28.120 their clutterstone. 2970 02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:29.280 Exactly because the one THING i thought we would see 2971 02:24:29.319 --> 02:24:30.600 by this time identity. 2972 02:24:30.760 --> 02:24:33.719 Culture clear. Mindset there's a clear feel. 2973 02:24:33.879 --> 02:24:36.120 Vibe, okay this, player he may not be A hall Of, 2974 02:24:36.120 --> 02:24:40.680 famer but he represents the, mindset the attitude what we're looking. 2975 02:24:40.719 --> 02:24:42.440 For you can feel that in the locker. 2976 02:24:42.520 --> 02:24:44.920 Room you can sense that there instead Of, wow this 2977 02:24:44.959 --> 02:24:46.159 is a great stretch of play for this. 2978 02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:48.920 Guy, here he's, young he's, this he's. Young he's. Young he's. 2979 02:24:48.920 --> 02:24:49.479 Young that's. 2980 02:24:49.520 --> 02:24:51.879 Great and there's flashes and there's, moments And i'm not 2981 02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:55.200 saying that it's all, negative BUT i still don't see 2982 02:24:55.319 --> 02:24:56.600 clear cut identity. 2983 02:24:56.719 --> 02:24:58.760 Culture AND i did think we'd see that by. 2984 02:24:58.799 --> 02:25:00.959 Now i'm not saying they can't find And i'm not 2985 02:25:01.000 --> 02:25:03.559 saying this plan isn't gonna, work But i'm not gonna, say, 2986 02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:05.920 well look What boston, did copy paste here we. 2987 02:25:05.959 --> 02:25:07.399 Go Oh, no there's no promise for. 2988 02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:09.319 That, no there's not at all no promise for, that 2989 02:25:09.360 --> 02:25:12.239 Because philadelphia did this, forever AND i get it that 2990 02:25:12.239 --> 02:25:15.000 they've had some threatening years and things like. That but, 2991 02:25:15.399 --> 02:25:19.159 man this this thing where they at right now during this, 2992 02:25:19.319 --> 02:25:23.600 uh there's time a year teen and sixty. Three right 2993 02:25:23.639 --> 02:25:25.360 now they're twenty three and fifty. 2994 02:25:25.399 --> 02:25:27.920 Five philly is Oh, Philly, yeah, yeah The jazz are 2995 02:25:27.959 --> 02:25:28.760 sixteen and sixty. 2996 02:25:28.760 --> 02:25:30.959 Three and again we know twenty three and the fifth 2997 02:25:30.959 --> 02:25:33.719 of remember with the embide, stuff and they flattened out 2998 02:25:33.719 --> 02:25:35.360 for a long. Time they didn't win a ring in 2999 02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:37.920 this and right now they've got all sorts of. Disasters 3000 02:25:37.920 --> 02:25:40.159 so it does have to come together just. Right it 3001 02:25:40.159 --> 02:25:43.000 does take a long, time and there's no guarantee it's 3002 02:25:43.000 --> 02:25:43.399 gonna work. 3003 02:25:43.440 --> 02:25:47.399 Well and there was a generationally special player available In 3004 02:25:47.479 --> 02:25:50.920 Victor wimnyama three years ago after they decided to move 3005 02:25:50.959 --> 02:25:53.079 Off mitchell And gobert a couple of years, ago and 3006 02:25:53.280 --> 02:25:56.879 they they had this team that was middling and staying 3007 02:25:56.879 --> 02:26:01.040 competitive in winning games and to what. End and somebody 3008 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:03.000 over there, said, well we were trying to, tank but 3009 02:26:03.079 --> 02:26:06.719 our coach is too, Good AND i, said who coaches The? 3010 02:26:06.840 --> 02:26:12.520 Spurs like what are you talking? About The spurs traded 3011 02:26:12.520 --> 02:26:14.600 away a twenty five year Old All star two And 3012 02:26:14.639 --> 02:26:17.559 Dejonte murray and a bunch of other pieces because they 3013 02:26:17.639 --> 02:26:19.840 knew that this kid In france could change their entire. 3014 02:26:19.920 --> 02:26:23.079 Organization so WHEN i was fed the line like our 3015 02:26:23.120 --> 02:26:27.040 coach is too, good we can't, Tank like who coaches The? 3016 02:26:27.040 --> 02:26:30.079 Spurs what are you talking? About, like we'll end it. 3017 02:26:30.120 --> 02:26:35.600 There but, ultimately this is a test of a pain 3018 02:26:35.760 --> 02:26:39.479 tolerance for a basketball market that simply is used to 3019 02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:43.239 seeing at least a team that shows they're moving in 3020 02:26:43.239 --> 02:26:48.000 the right. Direction AND i can't lie to, listeners AND i, 3021 02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:51.079 can't you, know tell you That Isaiah colliers, this or 3022 02:26:51.120 --> 02:26:53.680 can't To george's that or. WHAT i honestly don't. KNOW 3023 02:26:53.719 --> 02:26:56.000 i have question marks about pretty much every player on the. 3024 02:26:56.079 --> 02:26:58.520 Roster AND i do feel like they have a, really 3025 02:26:58.520 --> 02:27:00.360 really good, coach BUT i am a little bit nervous 3026 02:27:00.360 --> 02:27:02.000 to see what he does if they can't give him. 3027 02:27:02.040 --> 02:27:04.399 Talent all, Right, Tony i'm taking up too much of your. 3028 02:27:04.440 --> 02:27:07.079 Time BEFORE i set you, Loose let's hit the bees 3029 02:27:07.120 --> 02:27:10.559 stuff one more. Time SLBs dot com for tickets opening 3030 02:27:11.280 --> 02:27:14.440 not opening, day but the home opener is. Tomorrow and 3031 02:27:14.719 --> 02:27:16.440 so tell our listeners what you want to. Know, WELL 3032 02:27:16.479 --> 02:27:17.120 i want you to know. 3033 02:27:17.079 --> 02:27:19.360 That you're you're gonna get a terrific experience when you go, 3034 02:27:19.440 --> 02:27:21.600 there everything's leveled up in every single. 3035 02:27:21.639 --> 02:27:22.799 Way that's what's. 3036 02:27:22.840 --> 02:27:24.559 Happening and you know WHAT i think is really cool, 3037 02:27:24.559 --> 02:27:29.120 too is Tonight Jeff reeves being honored there with The 3038 02:27:29.200 --> 02:27:30.000 Utah Sports hall Of. 3039 02:27:30.079 --> 02:27:32.479 Fame i'm headed over to. That you're going to that tonight, too, 3040 02:27:32.559 --> 02:27:36.040 right my head, basketball my high school basketball, coach head, 3041 02:27:36.079 --> 02:27:38.680 Coach Mike maxwell's being inducted, tonight so we'll be over. 3042 02:27:38.680 --> 02:27:42.120 There that Former Bountiful brave head Coach highland Ram, Alum i'm. 3043 02:27:42.079 --> 02:27:44.879 Correct And. Tony as you, know historians often say that 3044 02:27:44.920 --> 02:27:48.200 the nineteen ninety Seven Bountiful braves the greatest high school. Basketball, 3045 02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:51.000 NOW i don't say. THAT i know one. HISTORIAN i don't. 3046 02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:52.799 KNOW i want to be, clear BUT i don't say. 3047 02:27:52.799 --> 02:27:54.920 That but people who study it know the numbers and 3048 02:27:54.959 --> 02:27:57.559 break down. Analytics they often say THAT i don't think 3049 02:27:57.600 --> 02:28:00.000 they had the. Depth that guy doesn't have enough good 3050 02:28:00.040 --> 02:28:01.840 players coming off the. Bench that FAIR i know one of. 3051 02:28:01.840 --> 02:28:05.440 Them i'm excited to catch up with our. Teammates it's 3052 02:28:05.479 --> 02:28:06.000 gonna be really. 3053 02:28:06.000 --> 02:28:08.399 Cool but, no With jeff being honored for, that and 3054 02:28:08.440 --> 02:28:10.559 then look when the fans go, there you're gonna love. 3055 02:28:10.600 --> 02:28:12.959 It because now it's a it's a new, experience it's 3056 02:28:12.959 --> 02:28:13.239 a new. 3057 02:28:13.280 --> 02:28:15.799 Standard all of that is going to be top, shelf top, 3058 02:28:15.879 --> 02:28:18.280 level And i'm excited, for you, know something that's, new 3059 02:28:18.360 --> 02:28:21.040 something that's. Historic now remember it's not just historic because 3060 02:28:21.079 --> 02:28:23.760 you're going to this minor league stadium that's. New but 3061 02:28:23.959 --> 02:28:26.959 there's the anticipation Of Major League baseball being in the, 3062 02:28:27.000 --> 02:28:30.040 future being a part of what's going. On love what 3063 02:28:30.079 --> 02:28:32.639 the organization is doing in terms of their their fast 3064 02:28:32.680 --> 02:28:35.639 forward vision on doing everything that it takes in their 3065 02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:38.959 control to be in the very best possible position for 3066 02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:41.440 something like this to happen. Someday how long would it 3067 02:28:41.479 --> 02:28:43.799 take for it TO i will never, know because there's 3068 02:28:43.799 --> 02:28:46.399 a ton of dominoes that. Fall but you, know there's 3069 02:28:46.399 --> 02:28:48.360 those who, say, boy this would be, nice and then 3070 02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:50.920 there's those who put so many things into action to 3071 02:28:51.040 --> 02:28:54.000 say we are more serious than, anybody and we're willing 3072 02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:56.360 to invest what it. Takes AND i think that's been 3073 02:28:56.399 --> 02:29:00.200 fun about this. Offseason i've worked for a minor league 3074 02:29:00.200 --> 02:29:02.559 baseball team for a long. Time this doesn't feel LIKE 3075 02:29:02.600 --> 02:29:04.959 i work for a minor league baseball. Team that's excellent 3076 02:29:05.000 --> 02:29:07.479 with the way they invest in what they're. Doing it's 3077 02:29:07.520 --> 02:29:11.120 always what is major league caliber? Level what does it 3078 02:29:11.159 --> 02:29:11.680 take to get? 3079 02:29:11.680 --> 02:29:15.399 There do? It And i'm, like, wow love. It this is. 3080 02:29:15.399 --> 02:29:17.680 Great we'll be on CAM yu tomorrow night if you 3081 02:29:18.079 --> 02:29:19.600 if you can't make it out to the, game we'll 3082 02:29:19.639 --> 02:29:21.959 be ON camyu AND kJ as a series of thirty 3083 02:29:22.000 --> 02:29:22.879 eight different games this. 3084 02:29:22.959 --> 02:29:23.360 Year very. 3085 02:29:23.440 --> 02:29:24.959 Nice so we talk, about you, know not being able 3086 02:29:25.000 --> 02:29:26.719 to make it. Out we hope you enjoyed the. Broadcast 3087 02:29:26.879 --> 02:29:28.600 we know a lot of people in this market love 3088 02:29:28.680 --> 02:29:30.799 baseball And i'm happy to be a part of. 3089 02:29:30.840 --> 02:29:33.239 IT SLBs dot com from More. Info they've got a 3090 02:29:33.239 --> 02:29:35.799 great ticket deal going on right. Now the weather looks 3091 02:29:35.840 --> 02:29:38.479 great for opening, week which is always. Good, tony my my. 3092 02:29:38.520 --> 02:29:40.399 Friend great to. See, Okay, hey thanks you as. Well, 3093 02:29:40.440 --> 02:29:42.600 man you look, Good thank you. Sir All. Right college 3094 02:29:42.639 --> 02:29:46.319 basketball is going to crown their national champ. Tonight Florida 3095 02:29:46.360 --> 02:29:50.000 Gators Houston cougar's coming up six Fifty Mountain time ON 3096 02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:54.239 cbs at The alamodome In San. Antonio you, KNOW i 3097 02:29:54.239 --> 02:29:57.639 have not done my. Diet my yearly diet tribe on 3098 02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:03.520 the silliness of playing basketball in a football. Arena it's so. 3099 02:30:03.879 --> 02:30:06.479 Dumb it's hard. TO i was gonna, say if you've 3100 02:30:06.479 --> 02:30:10.399 ever tried to shoot on a bucket in a makeshift 3101 02:30:10.559 --> 02:30:14.040 on a makeshift court at a football, facility the sidelines 3102 02:30:14.079 --> 02:30:17.559 are jacked up that your depth perception is. Off it's 3103 02:30:17.600 --> 02:30:20.479 it's for. Football it's not for. BASKETBALL i mean every 3104 02:30:20.520 --> 02:30:23.440 year we do this because we want as many, fans 3105 02:30:23.520 --> 02:30:25.399 because you're trying to make. MONEY i get. It but 3106 02:30:25.479 --> 02:30:28.719 for the product itself and for the, players it's it's 3107 02:30:28.760 --> 02:30:31.600 not conducive to play in high level basketball. 3108 02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:35.319 Any stadium or, arena and basketball players will will relate 3109 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:39.879 to this that doesn't have like equal backgrounds right on 3110 02:30:39.920 --> 02:30:43.479 the different. Hoops you'll have wacky field goal percentages early 3111 02:30:43.879 --> 02:30:47.399 maybe the first, games not not the second, games but first. 3112 02:30:47.399 --> 02:30:52.639 Half it takes guys time to adjust, to like you, 3113 02:30:52.639 --> 02:30:55.239 said different site lines in, arenas And i've you, Know 3114 02:30:55.239 --> 02:31:01.200 i've seen it really really play a. Hand what's funnier 3115 02:31:01.239 --> 02:31:02.600 to me is like when they played the game on 3116 02:31:02.639 --> 02:31:05.239 THE i think it was a naval ship and guys 3117 02:31:05.239 --> 02:31:09.200 are just air bawling for the warm ups until like 3118 02:31:09.239 --> 02:31:11.000 halfway through the game they finally dialed. 3119 02:31:11.040 --> 02:31:11.120 In. 3120 02:31:11.200 --> 02:31:13.879 Yeah, man it really does affect the way you play 3121 02:31:13.920 --> 02:31:15.959 when you can't really see what's going on behind the. 3122 02:31:16.000 --> 02:31:19.479 Hoop tonight's prize picks line, up, Baby you ready for? 3123 02:31:19.520 --> 02:31:21.280 It all, right here's what we're. 3124 02:31:21.319 --> 02:31:21.520 Doing. 3125 02:31:21.639 --> 02:31:23.920 Okay on prize, picks you pick more or less on 3126 02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:27.799 player staff. PROJECTIONS i HAVE. Lj cryer for less than 3127 02:31:27.840 --> 02:31:31.360 seventeen point five. POINTS i Have Walter Clayton junior for 3128 02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:34.559 more than twenty. Points by the, way one of my 3129 02:31:34.600 --> 02:31:37.719 favorite players to watch in all of college. BASKETBALL i 3130 02:31:37.799 --> 02:31:40.559 actually told you, this And i'm mad at myself BECAUSE 3131 02:31:40.600 --> 02:31:44.000 i did not trust my instinct for whatever. Reason every 3132 02:31:44.000 --> 02:31:46.200 TIME i Watch florida this, Year i'm, like they're, awesome 3133 02:31:46.799 --> 02:31:48.680 AND i didn't even pick them to make The final. 3134 02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:51.280 Four That clayton junior, KID i love watching him play. 3135 02:31:51.319 --> 02:31:52.399 Man he's stone cold. 3136 02:31:52.280 --> 02:31:54.639 And kind Of on an opposite, NOTE i told myself 3137 02:31:55.200 --> 02:31:58.079 IN i want to say Mid, FEBRUARY i was Watching 3138 02:31:58.120 --> 02:32:01.120 houston play AND i, said you, know they may not 3139 02:32:01.280 --> 02:32:04.040 have the best player on the on the, floor they 3140 02:32:04.079 --> 02:32:06.319 may not have the fifth best player in the, country 3141 02:32:06.879 --> 02:32:10.799 but they're gonna outrun everybody to a national. Championship and 3142 02:32:10.840 --> 02:32:13.319 THEN i went With auburn instead at the last second 3143 02:32:13.360 --> 02:32:16.600 BECAUSE i second guessed. Myself and, Hey houston is still here. 3144 02:32:16.639 --> 02:32:21.159 Standing and again it's it's their. Versatility, yeah they got standout, 3145 02:32:21.159 --> 02:32:24.280 players but it's it's kind of the the bi committee 3146 02:32:24.280 --> 02:32:26.120 thing that they're just. Relentless so fun to. 3147 02:32:26.159 --> 02:32:29.879 Watch milo's use on more than twelve point five, Points 3148 02:32:29.920 --> 02:32:33.399 Thomas houk less than nineteen point five, points rebounds and, 3149 02:32:33.440 --> 02:32:37.040 Assists Elijah, martin who's a beast of an athlete more 3150 02:32:37.040 --> 02:32:41.040 than twelve point five, Points Juan Roberts houston's big more 3151 02:32:41.079 --> 02:32:45.959 than twenty, points rebounds and assists. Combined none of this 3152 02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:48.600 is anything you should pay attention. To Price picks has 3153 02:32:48.639 --> 02:32:49.920 just asked me to do. It so there you. Go 3154 02:32:50.079 --> 02:32:51.719 who you got before we say? Goodnight who do you 3155 02:32:51.760 --> 02:32:52.239 think wins the? 3156 02:32:52.239 --> 02:32:52.479 Game? 3157 02:32:53.440 --> 02:32:57.639 Oh, Man i'm Gonna i'm gonna go With houston due 3158 02:32:57.639 --> 02:33:00.399 to WHAT i just. SAID i you, Know i've had 3159 02:33:00.399 --> 02:33:07.280 a feeling that they, physically it feels like their. Effort 3160 02:33:07.639 --> 02:33:12.120 like not saying That florida's going to come out here 3161 02:33:12.280 --> 02:33:14.079 and lay an. Egg that's a team that's going to 3162 02:33:14.799 --> 02:33:17.879 play really. Hard BUT i just haven't seen anyone match 3163 02:33:17.920 --> 02:33:20.600 the intensity Of houston all year. Long AND i think 3164 02:33:20.680 --> 02:33:24.719 that when you can do that for a five month stretch, 3165 02:33:25.639 --> 02:33:27.879 Man you're probably going to do it on the day 3166 02:33:27.920 --> 02:33:30.040 of The National, championship AND i Think houston does that, 3167 02:33:30.079 --> 02:33:34.760 tonight AND i Think kelvin gets himself a national. Title we'll. 3168 02:33:34.760 --> 02:33:38.879 SEE i will take The Florida gators only because of 3169 02:33:38.920 --> 02:33:41.319 the show. DYNAMIC i have no idea what's going to. 3170 02:33:41.360 --> 02:33:45.000 Happen it is a one point. Spread i'm not usually 3171 02:33:45.040 --> 02:33:47.319 good at feeling out of bracket because it's an exercise of, 3172 02:33:47.440 --> 02:33:50.040 futility but mine was done pretty, quickly SO i Think 3173 02:33:50.079 --> 02:33:52.200 florida gets it done, tonight BUT i don't feel good about. 3174 02:33:52.239 --> 02:33:53.840 IT i think they have the best player on the, 3175 02:33:53.840 --> 02:33:57.520 floor and if it comes down to a possession or 3176 02:33:57.520 --> 02:34:02.360 two game late final, minute then you, Know i'll lean 3177 02:34:02.399 --> 02:34:05.159 Towards florida BECAUSE i think that's when big players make big. 3178 02:34:05.159 --> 02:34:07.760 Plays BUT i got. 3179 02:34:08.000 --> 02:34:10.840 Hot houston's got. Something you're not wrong about. That by the, 3180 02:34:10.879 --> 02:34:12.639 way are you watching The White? Lotus not? 3181 02:34:12.760 --> 02:34:16.079 Yet still? Early Remember i'm gonna wait until like four 3182 02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:17.479 seasons are ON hbo and Then i'll. 3183 02:34:17.360 --> 02:34:19.799 Go, okay all, right, well THEN i will say. Nothing 3184 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:24.399 maybe last night was the season three finale and uh, 3185 02:34:24.479 --> 02:34:25.079 oh there's three. 3186 02:34:25.120 --> 02:34:26.799 Seasons, Yeah i'll just watch, it Then i'll go. 3187 02:34:26.799 --> 02:34:30.159 Watch first of, all it's, awesome it's really, entertaining it's 3188 02:34:30.280 --> 02:34:33.479 very well. Written Mike white created. It, uh he is 3189 02:34:33.680 --> 02:34:37.280 obviously a very creative. Guy AND i gotta SAY i 3190 02:34:37.319 --> 02:34:39.600 didn't see any of that coming last night for all 3191 02:34:39.639 --> 02:34:44.120 The White lotus. Fans the ending very much got me off. 3192 02:34:44.120 --> 02:34:47.319 Guard and that's the most entertaining type, ending very, breaking 3193 02:34:47.399 --> 02:34:49.879 bad ish where you're not getting you, Said Mike. 3194 02:34:49.920 --> 02:34:53.239 White who is? That is? That like other shows that 3195 02:34:53.280 --> 02:34:55.159 we would? Recognize is there A Mike? 3196 02:34:55.280 --> 02:35:00.040 White you might know him As Sarah silverman's boy a 3197 02:35:00.159 --> 02:35:03.840 friend In school Of. ROCK i think It's Ned, Shleebley Ned, 3198 02:35:03.920 --> 02:35:07.840 sneebley That's Mike. White it's honestly the only because he's 3199 02:35:07.879 --> 02:35:10.319 not really an. Actor he's more of a director and 3200 02:35:10.319 --> 02:35:13.120 a producer and a. Writer, OH i want to, say 3201 02:35:13.159 --> 02:35:15.280 the only Thing i've ever seen him in Was school Of? 3202 02:35:15.360 --> 02:35:18.440 Rock is that gooby Boyfriend Ned schleebley or whatever who 3203 02:35:18.520 --> 02:35:20.399 Dated Sarah. SILVERMAN i think that's the only Thing i've 3204 02:35:20.399 --> 02:35:20.719 ever seen. 3205 02:35:20.799 --> 02:35:21.159 Him that's. 3206 02:35:21.239 --> 02:35:23.159 Right this is actually a fun. FACT i heard a 3207 02:35:23.200 --> 02:35:25.079 long Time Ned neebley like wrote a lot of the 3208 02:35:25.159 --> 02:35:30.040 jack Like school Of. ROCK i think Our nacho. LIBRE 3209 02:35:30.200 --> 02:35:32.000 i THINK i think he's involved in a lot of that. 3210 02:35:32.040 --> 02:35:34.719 Stuff so there you. Go fun, Fact Ned snebley. 3211 02:35:34.479 --> 02:35:37.920 The only Thing i'd ever seen him, in And Sarah 3212 02:35:37.920 --> 02:35:39.799 silverman was not very nice to him In school Of. 3213 02:35:39.879 --> 02:35:41.840 Rock IF i Was, Ned i'm. Out oh, Yeah i'm 3214 02:35:41.840 --> 02:35:45.440 going to start the band With Jack. Black, Anyway Weird show, 3215 02:35:45.479 --> 02:35:48.280 today we did learn that the plural of octopus is. 3216 02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:51.239 Octopi we didn't learn. That we did not learn that 3217 02:35:51.319 --> 02:35:55.319 you are you are going against? Science i'm you are 3218 02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:59.319 you think you know more than? Scientists, well, look based 3219 02:35:59.360 --> 02:36:01.479 off my social media, feed a bunch of my college 3220 02:36:01.479 --> 02:36:04.719 friends think they know more than, scientists very, epidemiologists and 3221 02:36:04.719 --> 02:36:07.040 now they're terr eff, experts which is. Amazing here we 3222 02:36:07.079 --> 02:36:09.680 go the same morons THAT i went to school. With but, 3223 02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:15.040 ANYWAY i just feel more comfortable saying octopi than. Octopuses that's. 3224 02:36:15.079 --> 02:36:16.399 Fair you'd say octopedes as. 3225 02:36:16.399 --> 02:36:19.559 Well all, right, Anyway Weird Show, Porter before we get 3226 02:36:19.559 --> 02:36:21.040 out of, here what comes our way on hopefully a 3227 02:36:21.079 --> 02:36:22.239 more Normal tuesday. 3228 02:36:22.239 --> 02:36:24.840 SHOW a lot of hoops on A Tuesday. Show Tony 3229 02:36:24.959 --> 02:36:28.479 jones stops by the. Program tim McMahon for OUR Nba Daily, 3230 02:36:28.520 --> 02:36:30.680 assist and then of course as we wrap up the 3231 02:36:30.680 --> 02:36:33.479 college basketball, season we have to get our Guy Ken 3232 02:36:33.559 --> 02:36:37.520 Paul mroy on the show and coming off a, win 3233 02:36:38.040 --> 02:36:38.399 how about? 3234 02:36:38.440 --> 02:36:38.520 IT. 3235 02:36:38.639 --> 02:36:41.559 Rsl Kurt schmidt joins the. PROGRAM i know they got the, 3236 02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:44.000 w but you're gonna have a lot more questions For 3237 02:36:44.079 --> 02:36:45.000 kurt as well off the. 3238 02:36:45.000 --> 02:36:48.120 FIELD i am Putting kurt's feet to the fire. Tomorrow of, 3239 02:36:48.120 --> 02:36:50.600 course he joins us after a, WIN i, tease love the. 3240 02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:52.680 Guy we'll see if they're able to make some signings 3241 02:36:52.719 --> 02:36:55.079 prior to the window. Closing all, right we'll get out of. 3242 02:36:55.079 --> 02:36:58.440 Here special congratulations in my high school basketball Coach Mike 3243 02:36:58.520 --> 02:37:01.280 maxwell being inducted into The Utah Sports hall Of fame. 3244 02:37:01.319 --> 02:37:03.520 Tonight going to go stop by and pay my. Respects 3245 02:37:04.000 --> 02:37:07.200 special thank you To Josh, Furlong Tom, Haberstrow Bell, frasier 3246 02:37:07.200 --> 02:37:09.319 And Tony parks for the sound you missed from the. 3247 02:37:09.319 --> 02:37:12.879 Show the website IS espn seven Hundred sports dot. Com 3248 02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:15.840 our mobile app is THE espn seven hundred app that's 3249 02:37:15.840 --> 02:37:17.840 available in The App store on The google Play. 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Support, 3258 02:37:40.440 --> 02:37:44.520 Reporter i'm spent saying, tonight enjoy Some National championship college basketball, 3259 02:37:44.559 --> 02:37:46.319 action a LITTLE nba hoops, too and we'll talk to 3260 02:37:46.319 --> 02:37:48.280 you on A Tuesday drive and as all as you 3261 02:37:48.280 --> 02:37:50.639 can find it right here ON espn seven hundred AND 3262 02:37:50.639 --> 02:37:52.000 i have you TWO. Andefm we are proud to be 3263 02:37:52.040 --> 02:37:55.840 part Of UTAH'S Espn radio network