Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm you Beazy Boston's
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Madison. I want to welcome everyone into
Speaker 2: a Wednesday night edition of Night's Side. My name is
Speaker 2: Dan Ray. With us in the booth tonight is Andrew Rich.
Speaker 2: Rob has a rare night off, and we're going to
Speaker 2: get right to our guests in the first hour because
Speaker 2: our first guest is a name that is very familiar
Speaker 2: to Red Sox fan since the Red Sox are playing
Speaker 2: tonight at Fenway Park. Mike Timlin, a great relief pitcher,
Speaker 2: a tremendous career in the major leagues, and four count them,
Speaker 2: four World Series rings, two with the Red Sox and
Speaker 2: two with the Drato Blue Jays. Mike Timlin, welcome back
Speaker 2: Tonight Side, my friend, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm great, Dan, good to hear you appreciate you having
Speaker 3: me on.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this is a great cause. I
Speaker 2: think most of my audience remembers well that every year
Speaker 2: you come back home here with air quotes on the
Speaker 2: word home, but back home to Massachusetts to Hopkinson and
Speaker 2: this year the twenty second annual Sharon Timlin Memorial Event,
Speaker 2: a race to cure als will be held this Saturday
Speaker 2: out at Hopkins in high school. Your mom meant so
Speaker 2: much to you and so much to your family. Obviously
Speaker 2: taken at too early an age, but this race in
Speaker 2: her memory has done a tremendous amount of work to
Speaker 2: find a cure for this horrific disorder. Tell Us, tell
Speaker 2: us a little bit about your mom. You grew up
Speaker 2: in Texas, in Midland, Texas. Tell us of what life
Speaker 2: was like with your mom as a young boy and
Speaker 2: a teenager growing up.
Speaker 3: Well, I was the youngest of four children, had three
Speaker 3: older sisters, so my mom raised us all single handedly,
Speaker 3: you know, along with you know, my grandparents. But you know,
Speaker 3: Mom was a great she was off, uh you know,
Speaker 3: she taught us never to give up, always persevere. You know,
Speaker 3: hard times are going to be there. You're gonna have
Speaker 3: to just work hard and get through them. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of how we approach life, you know, take that
Speaker 3: lesson and you know, just keep forging forward. She is
Speaker 3: she was the driving force and you know a lot
Speaker 3: of our our family time. So my sisters and myself
Speaker 3: we all miss her, you know, quite a bit. But
Speaker 3: it's been a long time and we've you know, had
Speaker 3: this memorial run for her for twenty two years now
Speaker 3: and we have been able to you know, raise enough money,
Speaker 3: you know, to make a significant difference in you know,
Speaker 3: some of the research and things that doctor Brown has
Speaker 3: done in in the lab. So we feel like we've
Speaker 3: you know, we've definitely done our part and and that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. But you know, we we do. We
Speaker 3: miss Mom. I mean, it's it's it'll be nice to
Speaker 3: see her face. We have a memory walk for a
Speaker 3: lot of not just her, but a lot of people
Speaker 3: that have been you know, that are passed. But it's
Speaker 3: nice to see their faces there at the race every year.
Speaker 2: Well, I know that your wife, Dawn, you and she
Speaker 2: will be guest of honor this year. No sense of
Speaker 2: being humble about this year. Folks have raised more than
Speaker 2: a couple of two million dollars for als research with
Speaker 2: this event. And I assume people can still participate. There's
Speaker 2: still some slots open. I hope I know that the
Speaker 2: We'll give this website a couple of times, but it's
Speaker 2: simply Sharon Timlin, T I, M. L I N. Every
Speaker 2: Red Sox fan knows that race all one word dot org. Now.
Speaker 2: Registration is limited, but as I understand you still have
Speaker 2: some openings.
Speaker 3: I do believe we still have some openings. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure of the amount, but definitely if you want to
Speaker 3: try to you know, if you feel like you want
Speaker 3: to get on the website and register and see if
Speaker 3: you can get to the race, that would be we
Speaker 3: would be more than welcome to have you. We would
Speaker 3: be excited for you guys to show up try. If
Speaker 3: you can't, you know, then maybe we can have you know,
Speaker 3: have you there next year. But you know, it would
Speaker 3: always be a blessing to be over sold and to
Speaker 3: have a full field. So the farther I get away
Speaker 3: from my career, obviously, we know, you know, there's there's
Speaker 3: I have left poll. But you know, people have great
Speaker 3: memories in in the New England area, and you know
Speaker 3: they they support the things that we are passionate about,
Speaker 3: and this is one of them. And they've done such
Speaker 3: a great job over you know, twenty two or twenty
Speaker 3: one years. You know, it's just it's just awesome.
Speaker 2: That well about it is. You're adding this year what
Speaker 2: they call the Timlin tot rod.
Speaker 3: For tot trot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe Nixon was involved in that
Speaker 2: as well. Timplin tod trot three to six year olds.
Speaker 2: Participants can run one hundred yards at the Hopkins and
Speaker 2: High School track at nine thirty. Then you have there
Speaker 2: are two divisions there, three and three to four, five
Speaker 2: to six. But also in terms of the run, you
Speaker 2: have awards for fourteen and under, fifteen to nineteen, people
Speaker 2: in their twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventy plus male
Speaker 2: and female eighty plus. I'm getting close to that division,
Speaker 2: and a whealelchair division.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're trying to have awards for everyone
Speaker 3: that can you know, that's in there, like a small division.
Speaker 3: And this year, I mean you can buy t shirts online,
Speaker 3: but oh, this as this close to the racetime, you
Speaker 3: might not get them for the race. But this year,
Speaker 3: I believe we're giving out medals instead of you know,
Speaker 3: just shirts. So if you win, you get a you know,
Speaker 3: a nice little metal nothing wrong with it. We're all
Speaker 3: of this, you know, like a family fun day. You know,
Speaker 3: we're doing a color run too, so my wife usually
Speaker 3: starts that and I've been trying to encourage people if
Speaker 3: you want to come out and you know, throw color
Speaker 3: on my wife, that would be awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't think. I don't know your don's going
Speaker 2: to go for that, but that's okay. Look, the event
Speaker 2: starts in the morning. It's from eight thirty in the
Speaker 2: morning to twelve noon. Hopkinson High School has plenty of parking.
Speaker 2: That was the place where the runners for the marathon
Speaker 2: on marathon Monday. It's just easy to find, easy to
Speaker 2: get to. Uh, it's a great location. You got food there,
Speaker 2: you got you got people are going to get fed.
Speaker 2: There's a raffle, there's a silent auction. It just sounds
Speaker 2: like an absolute great day and all in memory of
Speaker 2: sharing Timlin.
Speaker 3: Well, she's just going to be myself and Mike Myers
Speaker 3: will be there, Lou Maloney will be out there this year.
Speaker 3: Manny del Carmen's going to show up. So we'll have
Speaker 3: a few guys that you know, that are that are
Speaker 3: former socks to be able to get out there and
Speaker 3: you know, sign some monographs and kind of take pictures
Speaker 3: and hang out. So it'd be great.
Speaker 2: That's great. We got it with Maloney, you got an infielder.
Speaker 2: With del Carmen. You got another right hander out of
Speaker 2: the bullpen. A Hyde Park kid. I grew up in
Speaker 2: Hyde Park, so we always uh very supportive of anything
Speaker 2: many Del Carmen does. And your buddy Mike Myers is
Speaker 2: the port sider, as we would say in baseball, the
Speaker 2: crafty left hander who comes out.
Speaker 3: Of the crafty left hander.
Speaker 2: For sure, there are no crafty right handers in baseball.
Speaker 2: Is I've be at the head?
Speaker 3: No, sir, not really. They they kind of get in
Speaker 3: to be left behind. You have to be a power
Speaker 3: right hander and a crafty lefty.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. If you could be a lefty,
Speaker 2: you you could play till you're fifty. I remember, you
Speaker 2: know some of the lefties who were out there, A
Speaker 2: Rosco of those guys. They of course you yourself nineteen years,
Speaker 2: Mike Timlin, nineteen years with a bunch of teams primarily
Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays and the Red Sox in the American
Speaker 2: League East. What a you'll be. You'll be there'll your
Speaker 2: people were going to want to meet you. So look,
Speaker 2: congratulations on a career, Congratulations on doing so much good
Speaker 2: work for people, and congratulations for honoring your mom. I'm
Speaker 2: sure she's going to be looking down. She looks down
Speaker 2: every day, but I think, particularly on this Saturday, should
Speaker 2: be looking down with great pride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think she will have a great
Speaker 3: time watching us do what we're gonna do. I stand up.
Speaker 3: I do appreciate you having us on and doing this
Speaker 3: for us every year and supporting you know, what we
Speaker 3: do and how we do it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Mike. I really am honored to be asked. And
Speaker 2: I just think it's it's a great cause. I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of athletes you don't hear from them, but
Speaker 2: but you've remained involved in so many great causes and
Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know, on behalf of
Speaker 2: everyone here in New England. Thanks and come back, come
Speaker 2: back as as many times as you want. Well, we'll
Speaker 2: do it again next year. In one of these years,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get out there and uh and and
Speaker 2: see you.
Speaker 3: I just want to that would be great. And like
Speaker 3: you said earlier, you know it is you know, it
Speaker 3: is like a second home to me up there, so
Speaker 3: I love coming up there and you know, hanging out
Speaker 3: and doing stuff. So it'd be great.
Speaker 2: Well, just just enjoy the event and know that, Uh,
Speaker 2: it's such a great cause. I mean, no one knows.
Speaker 2: This is one of those diseases. It has a it's
Speaker 2: baseball related because of the lou Garrig disease. Uh. And yes,
Speaker 2: also there's this all that connections and we we just
Speaker 2: thank you for everything you do, my friend, and and
Speaker 2: safe travels and uh, enjoy the day. They're talking about
Speaker 2: a little of a rain, but I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be spotty, and I think you're going to be
Speaker 2: just fine on Saturday. So don't if anybody says it.
Speaker 3: We're keeping an eye out on it and trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, make sure it doesn't rain. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: doing all the prey and I can do.
Speaker 2: Well. I'll tell you, I'm sure the charon's looking down
Speaker 2: to she probably has some influence in that in that area,
Speaker 2: so you can leave that to her, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Mike Timlin, thank you so much. Great great to have
Speaker 2: you hear your voice. You too, grew talk soon, Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks Mike the great Mike Timlin, great baseball player and
Speaker 2: a great human being and a great humanitarian. When we
Speaker 2: get back, we're going to introduce you to a doctor
Speaker 2: who's looking at a different question. Uh, and that is
Speaker 2: the mental health of new dads. Well, we will explain
Speaker 2: you've heard of a postpartum for new moms, well, new dads.
Speaker 2: One in ten new fathers also deal with some level
Speaker 2: of postpartum depression. We will explain again if you haven't
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Speaker 2: Right after this brief break.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by doctor Dan Single. He's a
Speaker 2: leading expert on father's mental health and co creative international
Speaker 2: Father's Mental Health Day, Doctor Singley, I guess Father's Mental
Speaker 2: Health Day is this Sunday, which is also Father's Day? Right,
Speaker 2: I mean timing's.
Speaker 4: Perfect, so exactually the Monday actually, I just Father's Day.
Speaker 2: I misspoke, It's it's it's the next day. But Father's
Speaker 2: Day is Sunday, yes, and then International Father's Mental Health Day.
Speaker 2: I was surprised to hear that one out of ten
Speaker 2: new dads suffer from postpartum depression. How do they figure
Speaker 2: that out?
Speaker 4: So through a bunch of different studies that then they
Speaker 4: do what's called a meta analysis or a metasynthesis, and
Speaker 4: the findings are really consistent that nearly ten percent of
Speaker 4: dads get postpartum depression, and even anti natalie during the pregnancy,
Speaker 4: about eight to ten percent get it. Even more get
Speaker 4: anxiety disorders. In the postpartum period. It's nearly twenty percent
Speaker 4: that will develop post traumatic stress, acute stress SESS, a
Speaker 4: compulsive disorder, specific phobia, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I can understand that. I can understand because
Speaker 2: you don't want to drop the baby. I get all
Speaker 2: of that. I know that women suffer from postpartum and
Speaker 2: I understand at least. I always thought, well, that's because
Speaker 2: of the physical separation, carried this this new child for
Speaker 2: nine months. Uh, and now the child is out on
Speaker 2: their own. How does that impact with dads? I would
Speaker 2: think dads would think. At least my thought at the
Speaker 2: time when my two kids were born was thank god
Speaker 2: they're born. Thank God they're healthy, and they're and they're safe,
Speaker 2: and let's let's let's now work to make sure everything's okay.
Speaker 2: I don't think I had postpartum depression. I I was
Speaker 2: dealing with lots of anxiety, like what do I do now?
Speaker 2: But I think most dads do it that anyway, Well,
Speaker 2: how does the postpartum depression uh display itself?
Speaker 4: So the development of it is is multi faceted. In fact,
Speaker 4: it's interesting what you said about like sort of like, uh, hey,
Speaker 4: the baby's out and things have changed and it is
Speaker 4: a big adjustment, certainly for moms. The tendency is to
Speaker 4: want to write off postpartum depression as something that only
Speaker 4: happens to the birthing parent because of gestating and the
Speaker 4: hormonal change and so forth, and hormones are very important
Speaker 4: in this process. However, the development of postpartum depression is multifaceted,
Speaker 4: and hormones, as I say, are one element of it,
Speaker 4: but the strength of the relationship, different cultural factors, socioeconomic status,
Speaker 4: different ways the person may experience being marginalized and for
Speaker 4: dads it's the same. It's also multifaceted. They may feel
Speaker 4: already they may have a pre Dads also, fathers that
Speaker 4: are very hands on with their infants experience the hormonal
Speaker 4: changes in the exact same direction as do moms and
Speaker 4: birthing parents. So drop in testosterone, higher levels of stress
Speaker 4: hormones like cortisol and adrenaline, levels of pair bonding hormones vasopressin, prolactin, oxytocin,
Speaker 4: and so forth. And the mechanism here seems to be
Speaker 4: being hands on with the baby. That tends not to
Speaker 4: happen with dads who don't. But I want to go
Speaker 4: back to the point. Even though there are research programs
Speaker 4: that are looking at how changes in testosterone at an
Speaker 4: earlier time than predict the development of postpartum depression in
Speaker 4: the dads, that it is not just a hormonal factor.
Speaker 4: They may have a pre existing history of trauma or
Speaker 4: depression or a sensitivity that they didn't know about. And
Speaker 4: in terms of how depression can present for some of
Speaker 4: these dads, there's the phenomena of what we call masked
Speaker 4: male depression, which can look a little bit different than
Speaker 4: the typical sort of presentation like vegetative, not getting out
Speaker 4: of bed, suicidal, very weepy, emotional in the corner. Masked
Speaker 4: male depression that a lot of fathers will experience, including
Speaker 4: in a postpartum depressive presentation, looks principle like anger, you know, frustration, irritation, anger,
Speaker 4: even on up into rage, an increase in drinking or
Speaker 4: using other drugs. But it can also look like video gaming,
Speaker 4: risky sex, gambling, even even shoplifting, being withdrawn, And so
Speaker 4: this is important. These dads can be around people like
Speaker 4: at work or in a multi generational household or in
Speaker 4: a faith based community, but they're just not connecting. They're
Speaker 4: just not engaging. So you could be lonely and withdrawn
Speaker 4: when you're surrounded by people. And the fourth factor here
Speaker 4: in this mask mail depression is what we call samaticizing
Speaker 4: and others. You take a psychological experience and turn it
Speaker 4: into a physiological one. And this is definitely aligned with
Speaker 4: the shame and the stigma that we assigned to mental
Speaker 4: health in general, even more so for men, even more
Speaker 4: so for fathers who are supposed to be protecting, providing
Speaker 4: and sacrificing and the rock and so on. So I
Speaker 4: can't be depressed but I have migraines, or I have
Speaker 4: chest tightness, or guests intestinal difficulties, or feels like there's
Speaker 4: a weight on me.
Speaker 2: So if someone feels this way, obviously they have to
Speaker 2: reach out. But a lot of times people who need
Speaker 2: to reach out of the last people who want to
Speaker 2: reach out. How do you solve that problem?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the research on men's health seeking is very clear.
Speaker 4: We don't want to ask for help. It's like, don't
Speaker 4: you know, I don't even want to ask for directions,
Speaker 4: let alone help. And it's worse when it comes to
Speaker 4: mental health health seeking. And as I said, it's even
Speaker 4: worse when it comes to mental health health seeking for
Speaker 4: dads in the perinatal period because everyone is telling them parent, educators,
Speaker 4: family friends, you need to be the rock, you need
Speaker 4: to support your partner. And that's true, but the problem
Speaker 4: is no one ever follows that up to say and
Speaker 4: you're also going to need support, and you're going to
Speaker 4: need more support than just your partner or your co
Speaker 4: parent can provide for you. That's really the message that
Speaker 4: we're trying to get out. And oftentimes, like there's research
Speaker 4: on what kind of support that new dads want. Briefly,
Speaker 4: they don't want to talk to me. They don't want
Speaker 4: to come talk to a shrink. They tend to want
Speaker 4: to talk to other dads and okay, well, in their community,
Speaker 4: people have lived experience exactly, and so it's tricky, like
Speaker 4: one of these dads shows up and is depressed and
Speaker 4: is really not doing well. What I try to do
Speaker 4: is to align with some of that traditional like fatherhood
Speaker 4: and masculinity about like, you know, providing. And one of
Speaker 4: the ways that I'll talk with these dads is to say, look,
Speaker 4: I know that you're struggling, and I get that you're
Speaker 4: hesitant to reach out. But the research on this is
Speaker 4: very straightforward. One of the most important things that you
Speaker 4: can provide for your baby and your family is the
Speaker 4: healthiest version of yourself. And oftentimes see light bulbs gone, Like, oh,
Speaker 4: I thought providing was money and food and protecting was
Speaker 4: keeping the saber tooth tigers away, But seeing himself as
Speaker 4: a really essential part of what his family needs can
Speaker 4: oftentimes be motivated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those darn sabre tooth tigers, watch out for them. Yeah, absolutely, doctor.
Speaker 2: Is there a website you can direct people too who
Speaker 2: may have listened to this interview and may feel they
Speaker 2: want to either take advantage of a website or refer
Speaker 2: a friend to a website. Is there is there an
Speaker 2: easy easy place I know? Yes, this is a group
Speaker 2: called Postpartum Support International. What would that be?
Speaker 4: Postpartum Support International. Our website is postpartum dot net. So
Speaker 4: again that's postpartum dot net. And we have a ton
Speaker 4: of resources, including for dads. We have handouts, we have
Speaker 4: little screeners that they can take. Every Friday, we have
Speaker 4: a closed confidential support group for new dads that themselves
Speaker 4: are struggling and or their partners may be. We also
Speaker 4: have a helpline that you can call into, you can
Speaker 4: text into English or Spanish, and then what usually happens
Speaker 4: is will give you resources and or they'll direct you
Speaker 4: to a regional coordinator, a Postpartum Support International or PSI
Speaker 4: coordinator in your area. And we have regional coordinators in
Speaker 4: every county in the country.
Speaker 2: Perfect, Perfect, I really appreciate your time. And by the way,
Speaker 2: in my relationship with my wife for many years, she
Speaker 2: refuses to ask for direction. She's always like with on ways,
Speaker 2: I'm the guy that's hanging his head out the window
Speaker 2: saying where's the nearest gas station or whatever? So I
Speaker 2: don't know what's what that says about me, but I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a direction seeker. I asked questions for a living.
Speaker 2: Did my private life great my public life? I learned
Speaker 2: a lot. I learned a long time ago in law
Speaker 2: school that the only dumb questions were the questions you
Speaker 2: didn't have the guts to ask in class, because those
Speaker 2: are the questions that came up on the midterms in
Speaker 2: the finals.
Speaker 4: See, there you go, man, you have the confidence to
Speaker 4: be flexible in how you show up.
Speaker 2: As ad you got it doctor singlely. I really I
Speaker 2: enjoyed this interview a whole lot, and I learned a lot.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the.
Speaker 4: Time, Thanks so much for having me on. I appreciate
Speaker 4: and have a.
Speaker 2: Happy follows that Happy Father's Day to you too, if
Speaker 2: that applies. I have two two children, Thanks so much too.
Speaker 2: All right, excellent, right back at you. Coming up on
Speaker 2: the other side of the news, going to talk with
Speaker 2: the great Kevin Paul DuPont, Boston Globe sports writer and columnist,
Speaker 2: extraordinary mister hockey himself, and we are going to talk
Speaker 2: about the future of the Boston Bruins because there's no
Speaker 2: reason to talk about this past season. Back on Nightside
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, here we are. It's a warm mid June nine.
Speaker 2: Most people aren't thinking about hockey, but there was a
Speaker 2: big Bruins announcement this week. Marco Sturm is the new
Speaker 2: Bruins head coach. Kevin Paul DuPont knows coach Sturam very well.
Speaker 2: See the best choice, do you think, Kevin? Welcome back
Speaker 2: to night Side. How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm great, Dan, Thanks thanks for having me. I do
Speaker 5: have to back up just for one second. I was
Speaker 5: listening to your spot on Doctor Sal Yes was that
Speaker 5: number forty million Americans don't have teeth?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, there's only three hundred and thirty million Americans right there,
Speaker 2: le who've lost all their teeth.
Speaker 5: Dan, I have to say, I never knew there were
Speaker 5: that many ex hockey players in Americas.
Speaker 2: Oh, you set me up, Kevin.
Speaker 5: You set me up, way too easy, way too easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, great, it's great to be with you. Marcos Sturam.
Speaker 5: I do know him from his playing days.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 5: He the right guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I can tell you this. He's enthusiastic. Uh, he is bright.
Speaker 5: You know he's I think he's committed to his craft.
Speaker 5: He did, he did six years. I didn't know this
Speaker 5: till yesterday. The six years he spent in Los Angeles
Speaker 5: as either an assistant on the varsity roster or as
Speaker 5: their coach in Ontario, Ontario, California. He did that all
Speaker 5: by himself. He just he left his family behind at
Speaker 5: at their agreement, of course, in in Florida, and and
Speaker 5: pursued this because this is what he wanted to do.
Speaker 5: So certainly they've got a guy who's committed. He knows
Speaker 5: the he knows the league from a player standpoint. Now
Speaker 5: we find out and of course this this is where
Speaker 5: the rubber meets the road.
Speaker 2: Kenny coach in the league and keep everybody happy. They
Speaker 2: had a problem Whi's putting the puck in the net
Speaker 2: this past season, and that puts tremendous, tremendous pressure on
Speaker 2: defense and on on goalies because when a mistake is made,
Speaker 2: are someone you know allows a shot to go in,
Speaker 2: and as someone who played some goal in high school
Speaker 2: and a little bit in college, I let more than
Speaker 2: my share of shots go by. Puts pressure on the
Speaker 2: offense and do they have do they have the gunners
Speaker 2: in this lineup right now, and do they have I guess,
Speaker 2: the ability to go out and get some gunners.
Speaker 5: Well, the short answer to the former is no, they don't.
Speaker 5: And really it's now the pressure is on Don Sweeney,
Speaker 5: who just hired Marcrostern, to go out and get at
Speaker 5: least two, three, as many as four more you know,
Speaker 5: legit bonifide NHL scorers up there. And that's that's far
Speaker 5: easier said than done, as you know, and to your point, yes,
Speaker 5: I mean when when there's no scoring, or lack of scoring,
Speaker 5: or lack of momentum so much of the sport is momentum,
Speaker 5: that really begins to erode the confidence of the defense,
Speaker 5: confidence of the goaltender, so and so much. A lot
Speaker 5: of people were very critical of Jeremy Swayman last year,
Speaker 5: and there were those a number of instances where you
Speaker 5: looked not just for the save, but for the timely save.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that was connected to
Speaker 5: the fact that you know, both sides, the offense and
Speaker 5: the defense, have to have confidence in each other.
Speaker 3: It was it was.
Speaker 5: Pretty clear as the year evolved there was no confidence
Speaker 5: in the scoring, particularly on the power play, and that's
Speaker 5: that's where teams separate themselves.
Speaker 2: And Goaldies can't do it eighty two games. Whatever the
Speaker 2: number of games regular season games and on into the
Speaker 2: on into the playoffs, it can be. It can be exhausting,
Speaker 2: particularly in the playoffs when they're playing every every other night.
Speaker 2: So I asked you this a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: What do you think the chances are? And I know
Speaker 2: people are saying no, but I'm rooting for marsh On
Speaker 2: to get his name on the Cup again. Do you
Speaker 2: think they can be that there's any way they can
Speaker 2: they can induce him to come back here. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not on the inside, So I have
Speaker 2: no idea how contentious the parting was in effect when
Speaker 2: he did him a favor, got him out of here
Speaker 2: and put him on a team that might might very
Speaker 2: well win the Stanley Cup. Any chance at Martian getting
Speaker 2: back here, and.
Speaker 5: To that point, Dan not not unlike decades ago when
Speaker 5: they traded Ray Borke to Colorado and he finally got
Speaker 5: his cup there.
Speaker 2: So I don't think Martian's going to retire.
Speaker 5: No, he isn't. No, and and and from you know,
Speaker 5: the number I keep hearing is he's convinced he's going
Speaker 5: to get eight million a year, which is a substantial
Speaker 5: lift over his six million plus that he's been making
Speaker 5: for the last uh six or seven years. So I'd
Speaker 5: be surprised if it gets to that point. But the
Speaker 5: but the salary cap is going up. He does make
Speaker 5: a difference. He certainly has made a difference in this
Speaker 5: Florida team. That said, you have to remember he went
Speaker 5: to a very strong Florida team. This is n't to
Speaker 5: take away from anything he's done there, but he you know,
Speaker 5: by my eye, he's put them over the top. Whereas
Speaker 5: here he you know, they were asking him to be,
Speaker 5: you know, first line left winger, first first out on
Speaker 5: the Populay, first out on the PK. Now he's a
Speaker 5: third line player down there, a third line player in
Speaker 5: the context of the team that's asking him to play
Speaker 5: third line. He has first line talent. So would it
Speaker 5: behoove the Bruins to bring him back to a certain degree. Yes,
Speaker 5: fan favorite, people love him. This is where he made
Speaker 5: his name. I have no doubt that he loves being
Speaker 5: in the city, family here, all of that. But he
Speaker 5: can't be that player here. We saw that. Now if
Speaker 5: he comes back with Sam Bennett from Florida as first light.
Speaker 5: That's a different story, but I think that just underscores
Speaker 5: they've got to they've got to upgrade this lineup. Not
Speaker 5: upgrading the lineup and paying brad marshand eight million a year, frankly,
Speaker 5: is just going to put him back in a position
Speaker 5: where next March they'd be looking to trade him. I
Speaker 5: don't I don't see the point in that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing is that Florida doesn't have a state
Speaker 2: income tax, and we have the millionaire's tax here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: And when you look at those numbers, Florida has a
Speaker 2: huge advantage. If they want to just simply match whatever
Speaker 2: the Bruins want to offer, the Bruins would have to
Speaker 2: bring it up substantially.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there were what there were seven or eight
Speaker 5: US cities in the NHL that have no state income tax,
Speaker 5: and that does give them somewhat of an advantage.
Speaker 2: So Tampa and Florida are to Nashville, and I have
Speaker 2: to go through the rest.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, Dallas is one, they Attle is another,
Speaker 5: Vegas is another. Yeah, you know, it kills me to
Speaker 5: be paying that millionaire's tax. I don't know about you, Dan.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, well, you know every day I make
Speaker 2: so well you yeah, in the written and the spoken word.
Speaker 2: Not anyway, Hey, Kevin, hate to hear your voice. It
Speaker 2: just warms my hat in the middle of June to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit of hockey, that's for sure. And
Speaker 2: you are undoubtedly the best. I'm telling you well, human
Speaker 2: hockey hero as a journalist. And you know that's true.
Speaker 2: When I say that, I really mean it. Nobody knows
Speaker 2: the game better than you do.
Speaker 5: Of all these He's very kind. Thank you, Dan, always
Speaker 5: here to talk at any time, and give my best
Speaker 5: a doctor sal I will.
Speaker 2: And if you ever play any you know, summer hockey
Speaker 2: this year, and you happen to lose a tooth, let
Speaker 2: me know I can get you a deal. Okay, All good,
Speaker 2: Thanks Gavin, talk soon. Okay, all right. We we have
Speaker 2: one more guest coming up and he's a historian, Peter Drummy.
Speaker 2: We'll talk with him about the Battle of Bunker Hill.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot going on in Charlestown and
Speaker 2: also in Gloucester where there was another battle, but there
Speaker 2: will be the re enactment at the Battle of buncle
Speaker 2: Hip punker Hill. We'll explain it all clarify. It's coming
Speaker 2: up soon on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Right after this, It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Like to Welcome to Nightside, Peter Drummy. He's the chief
Speaker 2: historian and Stephen T. Riley librarian with the Massachusetts Historical Society.
Speaker 2: Peter Drummy, Welcome to Nightside. We talked about this whole
Speaker 2: question a night or two ago, about actually last night,
Speaker 2: about the Battle of Bunker Hill to fifty, so I
Speaker 2: want to touch on that, but I also want to
Speaker 2: touch on the artifacts that the Massachusetts Historical Society of
Speaker 2: which you're the chief historian, have discovered over the years
Speaker 2: that they back to the date of the Battle of
Speaker 2: Bunker Hill June seventeenth, seventeenth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm first, good evening, But it's wonderful to work
Speaker 6: at a place that's primarily our research library. But along
Speaker 6: with documents, letters and diaries and accounts of events in
Speaker 6: American history and many things about the Battle of Bunker Hill,
Speaker 6: we also have wonderful artifacts, and for many people who
Speaker 6: come to visit to view the exhibition we have now
Speaker 6: about the first year of the Revolution, artifacts speak to
Speaker 6: people in a way that written documents sometimes don't so.
Speaker 6: Just for example, right next to a letter, wonderful letter
Speaker 6: that Abigail Adams writes about viewing the Battle of bunker
Speaker 6: Hill by looking from Braintree, you know, Quinsy across Boston
Speaker 6: to Charlestown, can see it the battle underway far away,
Speaker 6: but can still see it vividly and hear it the
Speaker 6: canon fire from it. But next to it in the
Speaker 6: display case is.
Speaker 5: Our two.
Speaker 6: Very delicate silver spoons that essentially a very young woman
Speaker 6: relief ellery, a perfect early New England name picked up
Speaker 6: from the breakfast table on the morning of June seventeenth.
Speaker 6: She lived with her widowed mother in Charlestown, and there
Speaker 6: was this firing from from Breed's Hill in Charlestown and
Speaker 6: returned fire from the Royal Navy ships in the harbor
Speaker 6: and from Boston. But they prepared to flee what they
Speaker 6: thought was and was an impending battle. And during the
Speaker 6: Battle of Bunker Hill, the town of Charlestown was entirely
Speaker 6: burnt to the ground, everything destroyed. Maps and views after
Speaker 6: the battle just show the chimneys from the wreckage of
Speaker 6: the town of shutting up out of the wreckage. The
Speaker 6: town of Charlestown, but she had We had not realized
Speaker 6: women didn't have pockets in their clothes times. They wore
Speaker 6: something that was like an apron, but had a pocket
Speaker 6: in it to wear doing domestic things around the house.
Speaker 6: And all the ellerries had between them was what relief
Speaker 6: Ellery had in her pocket, which was these two silver spoons.
Speaker 6: Everything they owned in the world had been destroyed that day,
Speaker 6: their home, everything they had. They were truly war refugees,
Speaker 6: and all that survived were these two delicate little silver
Speaker 6: spoons from the breakfast table. And she kept them through
Speaker 6: her long life and passed them down through women members
Speaker 6: of her family and her descendants who gave them to
Speaker 6: the historical society.
Speaker 3: And we have this.
Speaker 6: Very powerful object that's the sort of a relic of
Speaker 6: the battle, and that's at one end of the scale.
Speaker 6: And then wonderfully, at the other end of the scale,
Speaker 6: we have a plaque on display literally above where these
Speaker 6: spoons are displayed, which is cross swords against a plaque
Speaker 6: mounted together. And these are the swords that were passed
Speaker 6: down from William Prescott, who was the field commander at
Speaker 6: Breed's Hill during the battle. The troops right on the
Speaker 6: ground fighting American troops fighting at Bunker Hill, and acrossed
Speaker 6: with it is a sword borne by John Lindsay, who
Speaker 6: was a captain of a small Royal Navy ship, the Falcon,
Speaker 6: that bombarded Bunker Hill during the battle. So there are
Speaker 6: people who are literally fighting on opposite sides carrying these
Speaker 6: swords as commanders of a ship and commander of the
Speaker 6: ground forces and after the revolution, although he's a very
Speaker 6: aggressive naval commander during the Revolution. After the John Lindsay,
Speaker 6: before the Revolution is married a young woman from Boston,
Speaker 6: and he comes he comes back to America and settles
Speaker 6: in Boston. After the Revolution, He's apparently lives in Milton
Speaker 6: and apparently treated perfectly fairly and lives the rest of
Speaker 6: his life here.
Speaker 5: But he has a.
Speaker 6: Grandchild, granddaughter who marries a Prescott grandson. So these two
Speaker 6: families that fought on opposite sides in the Revolution at
Speaker 6: the Battle of Bunker Hill are in the water immediately
Speaker 6: adjacent to it. And then their descendants married and brought
Speaker 6: together these symbols of the two opposing sides and the Revolution.
Speaker 2: You know, we have to have you back when I
Speaker 2: have much more time, Peter. Again, these items are at
Speaker 2: the mass Historical Society, which I believe is in South
Speaker 2: Boston by the Kennedy line.
Speaker 7: No, it's actually in the back day of Boston out
Speaker 7: beyond where Boyleston Street eleven fifty four Boylston Street where
Speaker 7: Boyles were mass Avenue across the Boylston Street.
Speaker 6: And with this exhibition is on display here Rebels, Rights
Speaker 6: and Revolutions seventeen seventy five. It'll be here on display
Speaker 6: six days a week really through the rest of the year.
Speaker 6: Through we have talks on Friday about the Battle of
Speaker 6: Bunker Hill and showing these specific artifacts I'm speaking about.
Speaker 2: Your enthusiasm is infectious. Give me quickly if you can.
Speaker 2: Is there a website where people can check and make
Speaker 2: sure that they get to the right address or the
Speaker 2: right day.
Speaker 6: Sure, if you just type in Massachusetts Historical Society. The
Speaker 6: web website is that abbreviated massist dot org. But Massachusetts
Speaker 6: Historical societ will bring you right to our main website.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Peter Drumming would love to have you back. You're
Speaker 2: an extraordinary guest. I thank you for your time. I
Speaker 2: wish I had much more time tonight, but we'll make
Speaker 2: time in the future.
Speaker 6: Okay, my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thanks Peter Peter Drummy, chief historian, and Steven t Rolly,
Speaker 2: librarian with the Massachusetts Historical Society. And if that doesn't
Speaker 2: whet your appetite to learn more about the Revolution, nothing will.
Speaker 2: We're gonna come back and we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 2: weakening Massachusetts economy, sadly, with a representative of the Pioneer
Speaker 2: Institute back on nightside after the nine o'clock news