WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.519 It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm you Beazy Boston's 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:05.200 News Radio. 3 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:08.919 Thanks very much, Madison. I want to welcome everyone into 4 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:12.000 a Wednesday night edition of Night's Side. My name is 5 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:14.679 Dan Ray. With us in the booth tonight is Andrew Rich. 6 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:17.800 Rob has a rare night off, and we're going to 7 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:21.839 get right to our guests in the first hour because 8 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.440 our first guest is a name that is very familiar 9 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:27.679 to Red Sox fan since the Red Sox are playing 10 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:32.200 tonight at Fenway Park. Mike Timlin, a great relief pitcher, 11 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:36.000 a tremendous career in the major leagues, and four count them, 12 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:38.600 four World Series rings, two with the Red Sox and 13 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.560 two with the Drato Blue Jays. Mike Timlin, welcome back 14 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:44.159 Tonight Side, my friend, how are you tonight? 15 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.560 I'm great, Dan, good to hear you appreciate you having 16 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:47.840 me on. 17 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.759 Well, I'll tell you this is a great cause. I 18 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:54.920 think most of my audience remembers well that every year 19 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.320 you come back home here with air quotes on the 20 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.039 word home, but back home to Massachusetts to Hopkinson and 21 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:06.359 this year the twenty second annual Sharon Timlin Memorial Event, 22 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.200 a race to cure als will be held this Saturday 23 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:14.719 out at Hopkins in high school. Your mom meant so 24 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.879 much to you and so much to your family. Obviously 25 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:22.200 taken at too early an age, but this race in 26 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.879 her memory has done a tremendous amount of work to 27 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:32.840 find a cure for this horrific disorder. Tell Us, tell 28 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.200 us a little bit about your mom. You grew up 29 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:40.400 in Texas, in Midland, Texas. Tell us of what life 30 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.280 was like with your mom as a young boy and 31 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:43.280 a teenager growing up. 32 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.959 Well, I was the youngest of four children, had three 33 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:54.719 older sisters, so my mom raised us all single handedly, 34 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:58.640 you know, along with you know, my grandparents. But you know, 35 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.000 Mom was a great she was off, uh you know, 36 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:05.040 she taught us never to give up, always persevere. You know, 37 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.040 hard times are going to be there. You're gonna have 38 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:10.000 to just work hard and get through them. And that's 39 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.000 kind of how we approach life, you know, take that 40 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.439 lesson and you know, just keep forging forward. She is 41 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.840 she was the driving force and you know a lot 42 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:25.560 of our our family time. So my sisters and myself 43 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.879 we all miss her, you know, quite a bit. But 44 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.879 it's been a long time and we've you know, had 45 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:35.960 this memorial run for her for twenty two years now 46 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.719 and we have been able to you know, raise enough money, 47 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.240 you know, to make a significant difference in you know, 48 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.759 some of the research and things that doctor Brown has 49 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:51.520 done in in the lab. So we feel like we've 50 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.680 you know, we've definitely done our part and and that 51 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:57.280 sort of thing. But you know, we we do. We 52 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.360 miss Mom. I mean, it's it's it'll be nice to 53 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.000 see her face. We have a memory walk for a 54 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.919 lot of not just her, but a lot of people 55 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.520 that have been you know, that are passed. But it's 56 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.479 nice to see their faces there at the race every year. 57 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.159 Well, I know that your wife, Dawn, you and she 58 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.199 will be guest of honor this year. No sense of 59 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.360 being humble about this year. Folks have raised more than 60 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.719 a couple of two million dollars for als research with 61 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:32.719 this event. And I assume people can still participate. There's 62 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:36.479 still some slots open. I hope I know that the 63 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.919 We'll give this website a couple of times, but it's 64 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.120 simply Sharon Timlin, T I, M. L I N. Every 65 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.280 Red Sox fan knows that race all one word dot org. Now. 66 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.159 Registration is limited, but as I understand you still have 67 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:51.879 some openings. 68 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.080 I do believe we still have some openings. I'm not 69 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.280 sure of the amount, but definitely if you want to 70 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.280 try to you know, if you feel like you want 71 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:04.039 to get on the website and register and see if 72 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:05.599 you can get to the race, that would be we 73 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.439 would be more than welcome to have you. We would 74 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.639 be excited for you guys to show up try. If 75 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.720 you can't, you know, then maybe we can have you know, 76 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.720 have you there next year. But you know, it would 77 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.040 always be a blessing to be over sold and to 78 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:29.279 have a full field. So the farther I get away 79 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.759 from my career, obviously, we know, you know, there's there's 80 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.000 I have left poll. But you know, people have great 81 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.560 memories in in the New England area, and you know 82 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.680 they they support the things that we are passionate about, 83 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.439 and this is one of them. And they've done such 84 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:49.720 a great job over you know, twenty two or twenty 85 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.439 one years. You know, it's just it's just awesome. 86 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:58.120 That well about it is. You're adding this year what 87 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.000 they call the Timlin tot rod. 88 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.199 For tot trot. 89 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.800 Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe Nixon was involved in that 90 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.720 as well. Timplin tod trot three to six year olds. 91 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.959 Participants can run one hundred yards at the Hopkins and 92 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.000 High School track at nine thirty. Then you have there 93 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.560 are two divisions there, three and three to four, five 94 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.000 to six. But also in terms of the run, you 95 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:25.439 have awards for fourteen and under, fifteen to nineteen, people 96 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:30.000 in their twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventy plus male 97 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:34.040 and female eighty plus. I'm getting close to that division, 98 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:36.800 and a whealelchair division. 99 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.879 Yeah, you know, we're trying to have awards for everyone 100 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.360 that can you know, that's in there, like a small division. 101 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.759 And this year, I mean you can buy t shirts online, 102 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:53.079 but oh, this as this close to the racetime, you 103 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.680 might not get them for the race. But this year, 104 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.600 I believe we're giving out medals instead of you know, 105 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:02.199 just shirts. So if you win, you get a you know, 106 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.199 a nice little metal nothing wrong with it. We're all 107 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.079 of this, you know, like a family fun day. You know, 108 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.639 we're doing a color run too, so my wife usually 109 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.720 starts that and I've been trying to encourage people if 110 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.519 you want to come out and you know, throw color 111 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:18.360 on my wife, that would be awesome. 112 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.680 Oh I don't think. I don't know your don's going 113 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.759 to go for that, but that's okay. Look, the event 114 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.800 starts in the morning. It's from eight thirty in the 115 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.839 morning to twelve noon. Hopkinson High School has plenty of parking. 116 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:40.160 That was the place where the runners for the marathon 117 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.360 on marathon Monday. It's just easy to find, easy to 118 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.399 get to. Uh, it's a great location. You got food there, 119 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.800 you got you got people are going to get fed. 120 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:55.839 There's a raffle, there's a silent auction. It just sounds 121 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.600 like an absolute great day and all in memory of 122 00:06:59.000 --> 00:06:59.839 sharing Timlin. 123 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:06.399 Well, she's just going to be myself and Mike Myers 124 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.360 will be there, Lou Maloney will be out there this year. 125 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.959 Manny del Carmen's going to show up. So we'll have 126 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.160 a few guys that you know, that are that are 127 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.000 former socks to be able to get out there and 128 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.439 you know, sign some monographs and kind of take pictures 129 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:20.480 and hang out. So it'd be great. 130 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.480 That's great. We got it with Maloney, you got an infielder. 131 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.000 With del Carmen. You got another right hander out of 132 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.120 the bullpen. A Hyde Park kid. I grew up in 133 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.759 Hyde Park, so we always uh very supportive of anything 134 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.959 many Del Carmen does. And your buddy Mike Myers is 135 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.199 the port sider, as we would say in baseball, the 136 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.079 crafty left hander who comes out. 137 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.120 Of the crafty left hander. 138 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.079 For sure, there are no crafty right handers in baseball. 139 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:46.439 Is I've be at the head? 140 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.040 No, sir, not really. They they kind of get in 141 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:51.680 to be left behind. You have to be a power 142 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:53.839 right hander and a crafty lefty. 143 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.560 That's exactly what it is. If you could be a lefty, 144 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:59.879 you you could play till you're fifty. I remember, you 145 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.480 know some of the lefties who were out there, A 146 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:07.879 Rosco of those guys. They of course you yourself nineteen years, 147 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:12.240 Mike Timlin, nineteen years with a bunch of teams primarily 148 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.399 Toronto Blue Jays and the Red Sox in the American 149 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.600 League East. What a you'll be. You'll be there'll your 150 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.600 people were going to want to meet you. So look, 151 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:27.480 congratulations on a career, Congratulations on doing so much good 152 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.759 work for people, and congratulations for honoring your mom. I'm 153 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.039 sure she's going to be looking down. She looks down 154 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:36.000 every day, but I think, particularly on this Saturday, should 155 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:37.360 be looking down with great pride. 156 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.080 Yeah, I think I think she will have a great 157 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.759 time watching us do what we're gonna do. I stand up. 158 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.000 I do appreciate you having us on and doing this 159 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:47.320 for us every year and supporting you know, what we 160 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:48.320 do and how we do it. 161 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:53.519 Absolutely, Mike. I really am honored to be asked. And 162 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.000 I just think it's it's a great cause. I mean 163 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:00.080 a lot of athletes you don't hear from them, but 164 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.759 but you've remained involved in so many great causes and 165 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.200 I just want to say, you know, on behalf of 166 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.639 everyone here in New England. Thanks and come back, come 167 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.519 back as as many times as you want. Well, we'll 168 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:12.200 do it again next year. In one of these years, 169 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.000 I'm going to get out there and uh and and 170 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:14.360 see you. 171 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.480 I just want to that would be great. And like 172 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.399 you said earlier, you know it is you know, it 173 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.000 is like a second home to me up there, so 174 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.480 I love coming up there and you know, hanging out 175 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.120 and doing stuff. So it'd be great. 176 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.200 Well, just just enjoy the event and know that, Uh, 177 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.279 it's such a great cause. I mean, no one knows. 178 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.279 This is one of those diseases. It has a it's 179 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.519 baseball related because of the lou Garrig disease. Uh. And yes, 180 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:46.720 also there's this all that connections and we we just 181 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:48.720 thank you for everything you do, my friend, and and 182 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:53.360 safe travels and uh, enjoy the day. They're talking about 183 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:54.799 a little of a rain, but I think it's going 184 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:56.519 to be spotty, and I think you're going to be 185 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.320 just fine on Saturday. So don't if anybody says it. 186 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.919 We're keeping an eye out on it and trying to, 187 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.080 you know, make sure it doesn't rain. So yeah, I'm 188 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.200 doing all the prey and I can do. 189 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.919 Well. I'll tell you, I'm sure the charon's looking down 190 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.720 to she probably has some influence in that in that area, 191 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:12.759 so you can leave that to her, that's for sure. 192 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.440 Mike Timlin, thank you so much. Great great to have 193 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.600 you hear your voice. You too, grew talk soon, Okay, 194 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.639 thanks Mike the great Mike Timlin, great baseball player and 195 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.440 a great human being and a great humanitarian. When we 196 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:31.120 get back, we're going to introduce you to a doctor 197 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.840 who's looking at a different question. Uh, and that is 198 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.559 the mental health of new dads. Well, we will explain 199 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:44.480 you've heard of a postpartum for new moms, well, new dads. 200 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.720 One in ten new fathers also deal with some level 201 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.440 of postpartum depression. We will explain again if you haven't 202 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.279 gotten the New Knights, the new I should say iHeart 203 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.960 app on which you can listen to night side, You've 204 00:10:55.960 --> 00:11:00.879 got to get on your whatever device you have again, 205 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:06.600 your laptop, your smartphone, go to the app store and 206 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:10.639 pull down the new and improved iHeart app. And there 207 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.440 is a way in which, when you get a little 208 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.639 familiar with it, you'll be able to actually leave us 209 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.840 messages through the app. I'll explain that more as the 210 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:20.919 days go ahead, but the primary thing is to get 211 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.639 the app, new and improved iHeart App, bring it down 212 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:29.159 on your device, on whatever device you use. It's as 213 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.480 simple as that. Back on Nightside with Doctor Dan Singley. 214 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:34.759 Right after this brief break. 215 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:40.240 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's 216 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:40.879 news radio. 217 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.440 Delighted to be joined by doctor Dan Single. He's a 218 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.919 leading expert on father's mental health and co creative international 219 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.360 Father's Mental Health Day, Doctor Singley, I guess Father's Mental 220 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:59.120 Health Day is this Sunday, which is also Father's Day? Right, 221 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.039 I mean timing's. 222 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:06.960 Perfect, so exactually the Monday actually, I just Father's Day. 223 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:10.559 I misspoke, It's it's it's the next day. But Father's 224 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.720 Day is Sunday, yes, and then International Father's Mental Health Day. 225 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:15.639 I was surprised to hear that one out of ten 226 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.039 new dads suffer from postpartum depression. How do they figure 227 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:20.519 that out? 228 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.159 So through a bunch of different studies that then they 229 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.919 do what's called a meta analysis or a metasynthesis, and 230 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.519 the findings are really consistent that nearly ten percent of 231 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:37.039 dads get postpartum depression, and even anti natalie during the pregnancy, 232 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.720 about eight to ten percent get it. Even more get 233 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:44.039 anxiety disorders. In the postpartum period. It's nearly twenty percent 234 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.519 that will develop post traumatic stress, acute stress SESS, a 235 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.240 compulsive disorder, specific phobia, that sort of thing. 236 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.919 Yeah, that I can understand that. I can understand because 237 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:55.759 you don't want to drop the baby. I get all 238 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:01.080 of that. I know that women suffer from postpartum and 239 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.799 I understand at least. I always thought, well, that's because 240 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:08.879 of the physical separation, carried this this new child for 241 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:13.600 nine months. Uh, and now the child is out on 242 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:17.759 their own. How does that impact with dads? I would 243 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.799 think dads would think. At least my thought at the 244 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.159 time when my two kids were born was thank god 245 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.080 they're born. Thank God they're healthy, and they're and they're safe, 246 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.360 and let's let's let's now work to make sure everything's okay. 247 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.120 I don't think I had postpartum depression. I I was 248 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:36.879 dealing with lots of anxiety, like what do I do now? 249 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.159 But I think most dads do it that anyway, Well, 250 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.159 how does the postpartum depression uh display itself? 251 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.120 So the development of it is is multi faceted. In fact, 252 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.639 it's interesting what you said about like sort of like, uh, hey, 253 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:55.759 the baby's out and things have changed and it is 254 00:13:55.759 --> 00:14:01.840 a big adjustment, certainly for moms. The tendency is to 255 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.399 want to write off postpartum depression as something that only 256 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:10.559 happens to the birthing parent because of gestating and the 257 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.519 hormonal change and so forth, and hormones are very important 258 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:19.919 in this process. However, the development of postpartum depression is multifaceted, 259 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.159 and hormones, as I say, are one element of it, 260 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:27.879 but the strength of the relationship, different cultural factors, socioeconomic status, 261 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:32.279 different ways the person may experience being marginalized and for 262 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:37.639 dads it's the same. It's also multifaceted. They may feel 263 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:44.879 already they may have a pre Dads also, fathers that 264 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:49.240 are very hands on with their infants experience the hormonal 265 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.919 changes in the exact same direction as do moms and 266 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:57.879 birthing parents. So drop in testosterone, higher levels of stress 267 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:05.039 hormones like cortisol and adrenaline, levels of pair bonding hormones vasopressin, prolactin, oxytocin, 268 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.519 and so forth. And the mechanism here seems to be 269 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.200 being hands on with the baby. That tends not to 270 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.399 happen with dads who don't. But I want to go 271 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:17.519 back to the point. Even though there are research programs 272 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.919 that are looking at how changes in testosterone at an 273 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.759 earlier time than predict the development of postpartum depression in 274 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.399 the dads, that it is not just a hormonal factor. 275 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.559 They may have a pre existing history of trauma or 276 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:33.159 depression or a sensitivity that they didn't know about. And 277 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.480 in terms of how depression can present for some of 278 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.440 these dads, there's the phenomena of what we call masked 279 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.600 male depression, which can look a little bit different than 280 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:47.279 the typical sort of presentation like vegetative, not getting out 281 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:51.399 of bed, suicidal, very weepy, emotional in the corner. Masked 282 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:55.279 male depression that a lot of fathers will experience, including 283 00:15:55.320 --> 00:16:03.320 in a postpartum depressive presentation, looks principle like anger, you know, frustration, irritation, anger, 284 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.720 even on up into rage, an increase in drinking or 285 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.320 using other drugs. But it can also look like video gaming, 286 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:19.320 risky sex, gambling, even even shoplifting, being withdrawn, And so 287 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.360 this is important. These dads can be around people like 288 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.919 at work or in a multi generational household or in 289 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.200 a faith based community, but they're just not connecting. They're 290 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.200 just not engaging. So you could be lonely and withdrawn 291 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:35.039 when you're surrounded by people. And the fourth factor here 292 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.000 in this mask mail depression is what we call samaticizing 293 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.519 and others. You take a psychological experience and turn it 294 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:47.320 into a physiological one. And this is definitely aligned with 295 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.799 the shame and the stigma that we assigned to mental 296 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.480 health in general, even more so for men, even more 297 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.120 so for fathers who are supposed to be protecting, providing 298 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.159 and sacrificing and the rock and so on. So I 299 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.000 can't be depressed but I have migraines, or I have 300 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.000 chest tightness, or guests intestinal difficulties, or feels like there's 301 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:07.880 a weight on me. 302 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:14.640 So if someone feels this way, obviously they have to 303 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.559 reach out. But a lot of times people who need 304 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.920 to reach out of the last people who want to 305 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.000 reach out. How do you solve that problem? 306 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:30.680 Yeah, the research on men's health seeking is very clear. 307 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:32.799 We don't want to ask for help. It's like, don't 308 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.400 you know, I don't even want to ask for directions, 309 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.160 let alone help. And it's worse when it comes to 310 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.480 mental health health seeking. And as I said, it's even 311 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.480 worse when it comes to mental health health seeking for 312 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:46.960 dads in the perinatal period because everyone is telling them parent, educators, 313 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.279 family friends, you need to be the rock, you need 314 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:54.279 to support your partner. And that's true, but the problem 315 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.319 is no one ever follows that up to say and 316 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:00.440 you're also going to need support, and you're going to 317 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.440 need more support than just your partner or your co 318 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.839 parent can provide for you. That's really the message that 319 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.799 we're trying to get out. And oftentimes, like there's research 320 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.960 on what kind of support that new dads want. Briefly, 321 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:18.759 they don't want to talk to me. They don't want 322 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:20.599 to come talk to a shrink. They tend to want 323 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:26.359 to talk to other dads and okay, well, in their community, 324 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.519 people have lived experience exactly, and so it's tricky, like 325 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.359 one of these dads shows up and is depressed and 326 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.720 is really not doing well. What I try to do 327 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.599 is to align with some of that traditional like fatherhood 328 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:42.240 and masculinity about like, you know, providing. And one of 329 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.279 the ways that I'll talk with these dads is to say, look, 330 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.000 I know that you're struggling, and I get that you're 331 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.160 hesitant to reach out. But the research on this is 332 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.480 very straightforward. One of the most important things that you 333 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.880 can provide for your baby and your family is the 334 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:01.680 healthiest version of yourself. And oftentimes see light bulbs gone, Like, oh, 335 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.000 I thought providing was money and food and protecting was 336 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.079 keeping the saber tooth tigers away, But seeing himself as 337 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.640 a really essential part of what his family needs can 338 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:11.960 oftentimes be motivated. 339 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:18.839 Yeah, those darn sabre tooth tigers, watch out for them. Yeah, absolutely, doctor. 340 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.880 Is there a website you can direct people too who 341 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.799 may have listened to this interview and may feel they 342 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:28.079 want to either take advantage of a website or refer 343 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.039 a friend to a website. Is there is there an 344 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:32.599 easy easy place I know? Yes, this is a group 345 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.160 called Postpartum Support International. What would that be? 346 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:42.279 Postpartum Support International. Our website is postpartum dot net. So 347 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:45.119 again that's postpartum dot net. And we have a ton 348 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:49.359 of resources, including for dads. We have handouts, we have 349 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.039 little screeners that they can take. Every Friday, we have 350 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:59.359 a closed confidential support group for new dads that themselves 351 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.400 are struggling and or their partners may be. We also 352 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:05.680 have a helpline that you can call into, you can 353 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:09.400 text into English or Spanish, and then what usually happens 354 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:12.279 is will give you resources and or they'll direct you 355 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:17.839 to a regional coordinator, a Postpartum Support International or PSI 356 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.519 coordinator in your area. And we have regional coordinators in 357 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.480 every county in the country. 358 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:27.200 Perfect, Perfect, I really appreciate your time. And by the way, 359 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:29.920 in my relationship with my wife for many years, she 360 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:34.480 refuses to ask for direction. She's always like with on ways, 361 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:36.759 I'm the guy that's hanging his head out the window 362 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.759 saying where's the nearest gas station or whatever? So I 363 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:43.680 don't know what's what that says about me, but I'm 364 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.000 I'm a direction seeker. I asked questions for a living. 365 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.039 Did my private life great my public life? I learned 366 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.640 a lot. I learned a long time ago in law 367 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.039 school that the only dumb questions were the questions you 368 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.119 didn't have the guts to ask in class, because those 369 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.000 are the questions that came up on the midterms in 370 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:04.599 the finals. 371 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.519 See, there you go, man, you have the confidence to 372 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:09.680 be flexible in how you show up. 373 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:14.319 As ad you got it doctor singlely. I really I 374 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:16.759 enjoyed this interview a whole lot, and I learned a lot. 375 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:18.000 I appreciate you taking the. 376 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.319 Time, Thanks so much for having me on. I appreciate 377 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:21.799 and have a. 378 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.599 Happy follows that Happy Father's Day to you too, if 379 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:29.200 that applies. I have two two children, Thanks so much too. 380 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:34.079 All right, excellent, right back at you. Coming up on 381 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:35.720 the other side of the news, going to talk with 382 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.519 the great Kevin Paul DuPont, Boston Globe sports writer and columnist, 383 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:44.160 extraordinary mister hockey himself, and we are going to talk 384 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:46.880 about the future of the Boston Bruins because there's no 385 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.839 reason to talk about this past season. Back on Nightside 386 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:50.319 after this. 387 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:56.799 It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 388 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.920 Well, here we are. It's a warm mid June nine. 389 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.680 Most people aren't thinking about hockey, but there was a 390 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.119 big Bruins announcement this week. Marco Sturm is the new 391 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:12.319 Bruins head coach. Kevin Paul DuPont knows coach Sturam very well. 392 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.079 See the best choice, do you think, Kevin? Welcome back 393 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:16.079 to night Side. How are you? 394 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.480 I'm great, Dan, Thanks thanks for having me. I do 395 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.160 have to back up just for one second. I was 396 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.519 listening to your spot on Doctor Sal Yes was that 397 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.839 number forty million Americans don't have teeth? 398 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:28.720 Yes? 399 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.880 Yes, there's only three hundred and thirty million Americans right there, 400 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:36.680 le who've lost all their teeth. 401 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:40.880