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Tonight's guest is Jeff. Jeff, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hi, how's it going.
Speaker 2: Well, it's going pretty good. I can't complain. But more importantly,
how have you been.
Speaker 1: I've been really hot down here in Texas, but I'm
doing good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you are. Said your AC is broken.
That's not good. I'll get it picked one day, hopefully
sooner rather than later. But yeah, I guess time will tell. Jeff,
please give us a brief bio one yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm twenty seven years old, born and raised in
San Antonio, Texas. Right around my twentieth birthday, I am
listed in the US Army. Spent five years in active duty,
another four years in active reserve. All in the meantime.
After I got an active duty, I joined my local
sheriff's office down over here. Been working here ever since.
And I have a wife, I have one kid and
another one on the way, and it's really about the
gist that I can give up right now.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your service to our country.
I really appreciate it. Sure thing, Jeff, your encounter happened
at a military b sore you at liberty to tell
us which space.
Speaker 1: It was, Yes, it was a back then it's called
Fort Polk, but now it's called Fort Johnson for all
the newer folks who are coming into the military. It's
in Louisiana, just north of Leedsville.
Speaker 2: Had anything happened to you on that base before you
had that encounter, they gave you the impression that something
just might have been off.
Speaker 1: My house that we lived in before my daughter was born.
We had a bunch of like hauntings. It was very prominent.
You would have all these posts that we would see
on Facebook because it was a post that we had.
It was a Facebook page called a Weird Things for Polk,
especially for our street area, which is called Kyle Field
I think is what it's called Kimera at the top
of my head. And we had learned that it was
on a bunch of Native American Burio Grounds, which made
sense to me. I didn't know how big it was,
or at least at that point in time, I didn't
know how big it was because we had a place
called Tiger Land, which, if you think about it, sounds
like a theme park, but it's anything. But the whole
area is kind of built on Native American land. So
once I had figured out that was the case, paranormal
stuff started to make sense to me at that point
in time.
Speaker 2: Do you think in some way that having all those
paranormal experiences might have prepared you, at least to a
certain degree for that dog me in the encounter?
Speaker 1: You had no, not at all. I was prepared for ghosts.
I knew the spiritual things behind those. I knew how
to not necessarily combat them, but how to understand them,
how not to provoke them in any way, shape or form.
I've seen a bunch of YouTube videos, TV, etc. You
name it, on how to kind of get rid of them,
how to live a day to day life with them,
and of course if they get bad, always contact a
local church or local priests and see how they can
help you out with that, which is ultimately what we
ended up doing for our house. But Did they prepare
me any way to perform for what I thought that night?
Not one bit.
Speaker 2: Well that's too bad. It might seem like a strange question,
but a lot of eyewitnesses who have grown up in
haunted houses they say that those experiences did prepare them
for the dog being encounters they had. So yeah, that's
why I asked. And it's not like life isn't difficult
enough as it is. It's really a shame if you
have to deal with hauntings in your own home in
addition everything that life throws at you. That's not good.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not. For sure.
Speaker 2: Did having that dog mean encounter that we're going to
talk about in a bit compromise your ability to perform
your duties in the service and all?
Speaker 1: Uh no, quite Frankly, my chaining command did not care
to the point where we were out in the field
the month after that. I was weary about it. I
kept my eyes open, especially at night because a lot
of times I worked the night shift. But it didn't
hinder my ability. It just made me more cautious to
my surroundings because back then, you know, as a brand
new private I wasn't thinking much about being aware of
my surroundings in a training facility.
Speaker 2: He as young as you were, I'll bet you weren't.
But you have an experience like that, it's really going
to heighten those senses, that's guaranteed. How much time did
you spend in the woods before you enlisted?
Speaker 1: Not as much as I wanted to, Honestly. When I
was younger, I grew up hunting and fishing with my
aunts and uncles. Didn't really grow up with an outdoors
the family first. In all my extended family, they were
have it outdoorsman. I went hunting and fishing with them
all the time from the time I was four to
the time I was about ten or twelve.
Speaker 2: So you did spend a lot of time out in
the woods. Well that's good. I'm still a little confused
about this though. Can you go into the woods now
alone without much trouble? You're still in the military, but
that doesn't mean that you can still go into the
woods without a lot of difficulty.
Speaker 1: I have to do it all the time actually on
my own for my job.
Speaker 2: Wow. So you're forced into that situation. Thank goodness for
you able to deal with that encounter better than most
eye witnesses. Because if you couldn't. That would really be difficult.
Speaker 1: For you, It really would. I don't think I would
have been able to do what I love doing if
I had let this be detrimental to me like I
thought I would have when I first encountered it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a given. You told us just
a bit ago about growing up in that haunted house.
Did an experiences you had growing up in that house
top the fear that you felt when you had your
dog mee an encounter.
Speaker 1: I've only had one instance where I've been in a
haunted house where I did not think it was going
to come out alive, and the same kind of retrospect
to this encounter. The prior before I joined the military,
I had no experience in anything of that magnitude, and
I am grateful, by the grace of God that that
was not my house, because I would have left the
house the moment I found out what happened.
Speaker 2: Wow, it must have been bad, really bad experience. We're
not going to get into that now, but if you
don't mind, after a bit, I'll ask you to tell
us about what happened.
Speaker 1: Sure thing, all right?
Speaker 2: Great, all right, Mike, Please tell us about your encounter now.
Give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Sure thing. So this encounter happened and something what we
call JRTV or Joint Readiness in Command for Louisiana. It
was roughly around the end of August early September. We're
getting ready to finish one of our rotations. For a
lot of them military folks who don't are listening to this,
a rotation generally for us is about a month to
about forty five days, give or take, depending on the
training regiment that we're going to be doing, depending on
what our job is, that's generally how it goes. My
unit was what we call a home unit. We're not
called Geronimo. We're just the home unit. We aren't in
the field as often as Geronimo was. They are in
the field monthly, unfortunate for them, but for us we
would go every three to four weeks. It would be
up for a couple of weeks, but during this timeframe
we were gone for an entire month. So in the
late portions of August at least September, I had just
finished a night shift. So it was my job in
the intel field where I was in charge of operating
a system that allowed us to work with drones to
see the surroundings around us, keep an eye on the
enemy forces four and make sure that we're in a
state vicinity. That was primarily my job. My lieutenant Lieutenant
s is what I would like to call her, because
she's asked me to keep her name out of it.
She was primarily what we would call an F two,
kind of like the red hat. It's her job to
think of how the enemy is going to attack my unit,
which at the time was of Field Artillery Battalion. And
there was one instance where where we got called to
go to a meeting for the brigade, and this was
set to go off around three point thirty four thirty
in the morning. I had just worked the night shifts
the night beforehand, so I was getting ready to get
up and she told me, hey, I need you get up.
I need you get the truck ready. We're gonna sp
off around thirty minutes. We're gonna head over to brigade
to have this meeting for my mom's not a military
folk here. Sp is primarily for setting off. We're getting
ready to go. So I got the truck ready prepared
and I noticed out in the back that there was
like right in front of my truck that there was
a swarm incoming. You could see the lightning, you can
see the purple heath from the sky, you could see
the trees everything which is blowing. And it's just like, oh,
this is not gonna be a it's not gonna be
a good night. Right off the bat and I got
everything ready. I got my MVG's on my helmet, on
my rhino mount, and I got my my ir light,
which is what we call it a little side winder,
and I went over to the tent and I had
talked to Michetinudon, like, hey man, we're ready to FP.
She'sid okay, good. We're gonna have both our sergeants who
have asked to might be named or have both of
stargist rides shotgun or right in the back, and we're
gonna take off here in about ten minutes. So I
got in the truck and almost as soon as I
got into the truck, I smelled the smell that everybody
knows when it comes to being the field and when
it rains straight humidity. Right after that is when it
started pouring like crazy, like it went from ninth night
with the wind gusts to a crazy night with nothing
but a Jurassic part storm blown right on us. So
Liegenet came into the truck along with the sergeants who
are in the back, who had worked the entire day shift,
so I knew they weren't going to be as much
of a help as far as navigation, so it was
just gonna beat me in her. They had told me
that they were going to map out in the back
of the truck, which was pretty common for us at
that point in time. She gave me the map and
I had looked it up through our MGRS coordinate little
tracker that we had and kind of planned a route.
And I knew that there was a route that was
gonna take over us, like some of these hills that
we had that wouldn't put us out in the open.
And I'm thinking, like in a training aspect of I
don't want to get a quote unquote killed. I knew
we're gonna have to take these hills because it's the
only way to get there safely and then avoid an
entire flash flood. We ended up taking this route. So
I get the truck started and we take off, and
my first indication of that this was not going to
be a good drive was my mvgs. They're not the
greatest in the world, but anybody who's ever worn them
knows they have horrible, horrible death perception. So you can
drive five feet in front of you and you can
hit a poll hood you'll never know it hit happens.
And that's kind of how it start off. For people
who've lived in four Pole, they know driving over there is,
especially in the field, not a fun trip at all whatsoever.
It's like off roading the entire way. Even in the field,
it's worse one way or another. You will get stuck.
It happens. But we had taken off, we did a
couple of turns. I noticed that the only way I
could see was through the lightning. So I was going
roughly two three miles in an hour, a flow as
I've possibly ever driven home v and the only way
I can see is with lightning. And I'm trying to
keep this as tactical as possible, and my lieutenant tells
me like, hey, I need you to hurry up because
the thing starts in you know this amount of time.
So I push it, and by the grace of God,
I am able to see through the lightning, because it
was just that bright with the lightning, and it just
kept happening that much, and we came across this like
downslope of a hill and then it just started getting dark,
and I just remember telling my lieutenant like, hey, I
cannot see. I'm going to try something. So I grabbed
my little sidewinder flashlight and I put it at the
front where my uh my hood is, and I turned
it on and I turned it the ir on. I
have a howle ir light that I have and it
allows me to see not very well, but it's enough
to get through. So I go down this hill and
the twisting turns and we get around this little bend.
And as we had gone around this little bend, there
was this really really steep hill, probably amongst the one
of the seepest hills I've ever been on. I had
to stop because I was going to put the car
or the humbie in too low to get it up there.
That's what my l team struck me to do. That's
what I did, she asked me, because she thought that
way before I did. There was a puddle at the
right at the base of the hill, and it's the
wind is blowing. You can the moment I opened the door,
you couldn't hear anything. That's how bad it was. But
right beforehand she had asked me to go check the puzzle,
see how deep it is, and we didn't get stuck
by accident. So I grabbed my M four arm with blanks,
and I grabbed my little headlamp put on the side
of my helmet, and I start getting out of the truck.
The first thing I noticed is I cannot hear anything.
I cannot see anything. It's all like to see is
the lightning. So I switched my ir light to red
light and I walked very slowly to uh to this puddle,
and all I remember is that the wind was just
blowing fiercely on me. I left my balance for probably
the third or fourth step to the puddle, which was
about thirty forty feet away from me. Along the way,
there is a stick on the ground that I grabbed up,
and I decided to poke it into the puddle to
see how deep it was. Thankfully, it wasn't deep, but
the wind gus had blown me and if my balance
and I hear this loud snap, I sound like a
tree breaking, and I'm looking to get out of the way,
because I'm looking at the sky looking for a fallen tree,
because I don't want to get hit. I want to
go home. I want to see my wife, I want
to see my kid. And I don't see anything, and
out of nowhere, I just smell this really like a
sulfur kind of foul smell, like rotten eggs. I thought
I was just next to like a sulfur plant or
a little sulfur hole that happens all the time over there.
It just felt bad. So I just remember walking back
to the truck and I'm looking down up the ground
and my lieutenant just yells at me and says, Jeff,
get in the truck now. And I look at her.
I'm like, oh my god, we're actually about to get attacked.
I'm about to have a match in here. So I
grabbed my M four that's in my left hand, and
I get it, you know, in the loaded ready position,
and I start like hauling butt to the truck and
I get into the truck. I opened the door, and
I asked her, Hey, what's wrong, And she just has
this blank there on her like she had just seen
somebody die. She's been in the military a lot longer
than I have been, and I didn't learn this until
my first appointment about that look. But at that time,
that was the only look I could describe. Is she
had just seen, like something, somebody die, And I asked
her what's wrong? And I couldn't tell if she had
gotten wet from the rain that was constantly pouring on us,
or if she was crying. And it didn't dawn me
that she was crying until I heard the little sylum.
And I think of her as a sister, not just
a sister in arms, but actually a little younger sister
to me. And I was asking, hey, what's wrong. I'm
a soldier for her, but I'm gonna take care of
her like she's all my best friends. And she didn't
say anything, and I was looking around and I couldn't
see anything. So at this point in time, I had
put my IR light on next to the windshield and
I still couldn't see anything. So at this point I
just said, you know, safety first, because she's not saying anything.
This is not you know, a combat situation. Safety first,
I put the UH, I go from IR to full
blast on my headland or my head beams, put them
on the high beams, and I didn't see anything for
a moment, so I turned back to her and she's
got this wide eyed expression to her, and I just
remember turning back to where she was looking at and
it didn't even dawn on me. From where I was
sitting at that moment in time, all I could see
was like this very large black hand with claws on
the tree. And I remember just kind of like shifting
myself a little bit, and what I could see was
like this head poking out of the tree. And I
was thinking to myself initially like that is the biggest
wherewof coffee I've ever seen in my life at this
moment in time. And as I had realized that, I
was like, wait a minute, we are in a huge
storm that rivals the storm you would watch in Jurassic Park.
I'm in the middle of the woods on a military
base with you got some people here who are actually
armed with live ammunition, especially in my unit, with you know,
the artillery year rounds that we had. This isn't adding
up to me. And as that thought process had went
through my mind, I'm looking at this thing and it
takes one step over this fallen tree which I had
equated that that was the fallen tree that I had
possibly heard. I didn't hear it at the ground, but
in my mind, that's what I thought had happened. And
it takes this step over it, and then another step
over that tree as well, and when I saw the feet,
I knew that this was not anything like that. This
was a living creature. This was not nothing I was
prepared for. And it took two steps and it was
out of the woodline and into the into the street,
and at that point I could get a full view
of it. It was humongous, easily seven to eight feet tall,
much bigger than I am, had very broad shoulders, pointy ears.
In years that I've watched horror movies, the only thing
I can probably compare this to is the World from
Vent Healthing, the one that Hugh Jaton played. As I'm
looking at the thing, and it's looking at both lieutenant
and my fl elf, and it's got this weird little
arch on its back like it's about to start taking
off or something, and then it just kind of like
leans up and that arch is gone and stands up.
And at this point in time, there all you hear
is see is the rain, but the thing you can
hear pops like imagine your bones popping, like you're cracking
your knuckles, but much louder. I'm hearing this, and my
heart is dropping into my stomach because at this point
in time, I'm realizing that the danger that I'm in,
I have an M four armed with blank and a
Humby and I got this leathermin multitol on my hip.
I'm not prepared for this. And it was at that
moment when I had thought about I'm not prepared for this.
I had turned to my lieutenant and she is bawling
her eyes out. She's crying, and I have no idea
what to do. At this point, I am twenty one
years old. I have I'm not prepared for anything like this.
This stuff that doesn't happen to people, especially us in
the military. We are most of us are trained hardened
to deal with all kinds of situations left and right.
I've done it, I was trained for it. But when
this happened, and when it was faced with me, I
had no clue what to do. I was watching this
thing and it just takes another step and it just
kind of sizes up the Humby, and I'm telling you
this thing was much bigger than the humphy. It was
standing up, it was looking at us, looking down at us.
That's how tall it was. And as I have like
this blank stare at it, I'm kind of like keeping
an eye on my lieutenant and she just frozen in fear.
And at this moment in time, that's when I started
to think of I have no protection here, even from
my M four, my multitool. Nothing we have. Our humby
has these plastic doors, my stargean tour in the back
have plastic walls that are it's just a covering. There's
nothing to protect us here. And as that thought came
to my mind, I'm looking at this creature and it
just gives this smile, like a kind of look. And
right after that, it had just decided to just turn
around and walk towards the other side of the road,
and it disappeared right into the other side of the forest.
You could hear it crushing branches, you could hear it stepping.
It was heavy, and it was gone just like that.
And it took me it felt like ten to fifty minutes,
but in all reality, it was probably about thirty seconds.
When I had to pull myself together because I had
three other lives in my in my control right now.
So I put the the humvee and drive and I
hauled it. I hauled myself out of there. I got
up that hill. I don't even matter if I flit
or anything. I just got up that hill and I
went full light, full light on. I did not care
to me. It was faithy at this point. I got
us to the location, and thankfully, it just seemed like
time had a standstill. But we had an entire, an
entire hour to gather our thoughts before she had to
go into that meeting. We got there and the sergeants
who were completely oblivious to everything. They didn't even know
what's going on. They were over here chewing me out
for rough driving with the light being on, and then
Lieutenant had gone after them, like no, like take it easy, guys.
He got us out of a bad situation. So they
went and did their thing. They were hooking cigarettes and
chewing dib She and I were sitting in the back
of in our seats, and I just remembered looking at her,
I'm like, man, are you okay? And she didn't say anything.
She didn't She grabbed her little book Green Booklet got
up and left, and I'm just sitting in the um
vie and I just thinking to myself, monsters are real?
Holy cow? Are all these stories that I would watch
on TV? All these things are Are they actually real?
Did I see that I Did I eat something that
made me hallucinate or something? Was that really real? So
I take off my helmet and put it on top
of my my fearing wheel and I'm just having all
these thoughts to myself. And then it was probably about
half an hour later where I got on the radio,
like the sergeants are being called. One of the other
E seven is gonna come and pick them up, and
I'm gonna drive my lieutenant back. So she gets back,
I want to say, roughly around like eight or nine
in the morning. It's been four hours at this point,
and I'm getting the truck ready, I move it around,
and I'm just sitting down on the hood looking at
the woods, wondering all sorts of things of like is
this real? And she kind of gives me like this
jump scare and she's like, hey, Jeff. I was like, yes, ma'am,
what can I do? And I'm standing there and I'm
just grabbing my stuff and getting ready, and she just
hugs me. And it's not really allowed for our officers
and lower lists to have any kind of physical contact
like other than like a knuckle punch or a handshake
or even a salute. But at this point in time,
I had felt like I felt like that it was
just a warranted thing, like okay, man, what's this And
she's like, thank you for getting us out of there,
like we owe you our lives and no one will
ever know. And I didn't even think about it like that.
I just thought as like we just had on arguably
the scariest moment of our lives. A hug. Hug in
military bearings is at least my concern at this moment
in time. I asked her, are we going to report this?
And she said, no, we cannot lose our clearances, We
cannot do anything of such sort. I told one person.
He said, just don't mention it, because then there will
be a whole bunch of things that I cannot mention
that are going to happen. So I didn't say anything.
I didn't tell my wife, I didn't tell anybody. I
still had to go to the field roughly the next
month after that, but it didn't involve either my startings
from our lieutenants. It was kind of just me and
myself at that point along with another team, So I
kind of was forced into having to adjust. When I
came back from the field that weekend, my lieutenant was gone.
She had left the base, she got orders to go
to another base, and that was kind of the less
I had I have seen of her. I still keep
in contact with her, but that was less I have
seen of her. I mean, that's really really it actually Wow.
Speaker 2: That's a lot a lot to beer there. If you're
not in the military and you have an encounter, it's
difficult enough to deal with what happened to you, But yeah,
if you are in the Middle Terrian, something like that happens,
zek it's really hard to deal with for more reasons
than one has there ever been a time, considering the
fact you're still enlisted, where you've really been concerned about
your career, the secret getting out and compromising your career.
Speaker 1: Not really more or less. It's just my first name
being released, no other information, so nothing really can be
linked to me except the people that know about the story.
But as far as my career, Honestly, I'm in the
ending stretches of my career. I'm ready to get out
of it. Been in almost ten years at this point.
It's more of a safety thing as opposed to keeping
things a secret, and there is nothing as far as
a brief wise mentioning this thing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good thing you kept quiet about that.
A lot of people wouldn't have been able to do that.
You said you're heading to the brigade when that experience happened.
How far of a drive was.
Speaker 1: At It was about seven miles.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a pretty good drive. How far into the
drive were you when this happened.
Speaker 1: We were, from a map perspective on an injury risk
on it, we were probably about four miles from the brigading,
So the three miles in, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good distance considering how Fort Polk is
laid out, being as big as it is. I'm sure
if you were three miles into that drive, there wasn't
anyone around close enough to hear you if you called
for help or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Correct, No, not at all, even during daylight time. If
you have an issue and you have to call for it,
you're a minimum a day away from getting help unless
you know somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's not a good situation to be in
at all. You weren't in the hummer when the you
first saw the dog? Mean, he said, But did you
ever hear a scream?
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear much over the wind. For one, The
hummer that we had was very loud. It's what we
would call deadlined. But we got lucky in that it
would still run, as just certain things would deadline the hummer.
But it had a very loud hum of an engine,
so I couldn't hear her over the wind as well
as the hummer itself. And it was by the grace
of God that the wind had died down for just
that moment, and I was looking at her as when
I heard her call.
Speaker 2: Me, Okay, that makes sense. How sure are you that
the two sergeants in the backseat didn't actually see it.
Speaker 1: I'm not very confident in it, other than I heard
one of them snoring, which was not uncommon because they're
both very hardworking guys. I love them both to death,
but if I had to say it, I'm pretty sure
that they were both knocked out tired, and wouldn't surprising
they were asleep in the back of the hummer. What
could one of them have been awake to see it.
It's very likely, especially one being from Louisiana himself, it
wouldn't surprise me. But do I think that they were
awake at that point in time? I don't.
Speaker 2: What really makes me wonder about that is it sounds
like things got pretty dicey once you realize that the
dog man was out there. So with that in mind,
considering how that played out, is just really hard to
imagine that at least one of those guys didn't wake up,
But maybe they were tired enough where they slipped through it.
It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: I've been deployed once I know what it feels like
to be that tired. It's a genuine tired enough feeling.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, Yeah, it's possible to be tired enough to
sleep through a tornado, So it's definitely possible. How close
would you say you were to that dog man at
the closest point when you were outside of the hummer.
Speaker 1: From where I was standing, the tree line or the
edge of the street was maybe nine feet away from
you ten feet tops.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty close, way too close for comfort. Yeah,
if you're that close. That was almost reach out and
touch you distance.
Speaker 1: That's not very comfort and feelings. To be honest with you, No,
it's not.
Speaker 2: It sounds like the LT was pretty guarded after you
two had that experience. How much trouble do you think
she's had over the years coming to terms with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's doing well right now. She's doing
on her career. To my knowledge, I don't keep that
kind of contact with her other than a simple hey,
I help you doing well, you know, congratulations on your promotion,
and congratulations on the marriage, you know, things like that.
But from from a visual standpoint, I think she's doing well.
Speaker 2: I sure hope she is. You said that you don't
talk with her all that often, so I'm wondering, what
do you think are the odds that she's ever going
to find out that you actually came on the show
and shared this experience.
Speaker 1: If I had to put money on it, I wouldn't
say she wouldn't do it well.
Speaker 2: If she does listen to this, understand, I've spoken with
tons and tons of eyewitnesses. You're never going to hear
on the show. If you need help with your experience,
please let me know. Because we can always talk in
private and no one's ever going to know about it,
So please do keep that in mind. Jeff, when you
looked at the dog man, could you tell if it's
fur was matted due to the rain? It?
Speaker 1: Honestly, it looked very flick I could from my that's
meant from I've never really seen a wolf. I've never
been around that area of the United States, but I've
been around coyote my entire life, and I always know
that older they get the tip of their fur get gray,
and I could tell what this one like the tip
like he had very pointed ears, like a German shepherd
kind of, but like if he got to his arms,
his arms kind of like his hair kind of like
spread it out a little bit and you can see
like grayish tips on it with how bright my light
was on it. But it was a very thlick hair.
Almost like let's say if you had just gotten out
of shower and you have really long black hair and
you just got out and you look at a mirror,
that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably soaked from the rain, so it's not a
surprise to look that way. How would you describe its legs.
Speaker 1: Very dog like canaine like it was. It's got I
don't know what the back of the leg is called
of a of a normal dog, hawk a hawk. It
had very hawk like feet, looked just like an actual dog,
just missing the other half, and you got a man
on top of them.
Speaker 2: Prototypical canon type dog mean structure. So that's what it
must have been when you saw it step over that
fallen tree. Did it look coordinated when it did that?
Or did it look kind of off balance?
Speaker 1: It looked elegant. More about that I've ever been my
entire life.
Speaker 2: Well, some eyewitnesses say when they see these guys standing
or moving when they're not running, that is, they look
kind of off balance, kind of like a woman that's
in really high heels. Others say they look really coordinated
and really steady. So there really isn't any rhyme nor
reason what to expect when you see them standing there
looking at you're moving slowly as far as I'm being
awkward or in perfect balance.
Speaker 1: Now, the thing it walked like, it walked like it
oh in the forwards, with confidence, well balanced. That thing
was top dog.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure it did on those woods. Was
its head in proportion size wise to its body or
was it disproportionately large?
Speaker 1: It looked rather proportionate, but it looked a little bit
off fet like a little just a little bigger to
its body. Nothing true draftic, but it looked a little
bit bigger than proportionate.
Speaker 2: You talked about its ears. Were they sitting on top
of its head or on the sides?
Speaker 1: Kind of both? Actually, like you know how you have
the top of your top dog with the ears on top,
but like imagine like a little a cant to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you mean. Did it have them
pinned back when you saw its ears or were they
standing straight up?
Speaker 1: The only time I thought that ears pinned back is
when it was crossing over that uh that log.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have done that. One was focusing on
balance or something. It's hard to say. You said that
it had ears like a German shepherd, But how tall
would you say they were?
Speaker 1: The ears or the dogmain itself? The ears? I couldn't
be honest with you on that. Maybe eight nine inches
those are tall ears, Like the ears were very standoffish.
But between the ears and the eyes, I couldn't tell
you what I was focusing on more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're in so much shock. You're doing good
to know your own name, so you deserve a lot
of credit for being able to notice all these details.
Are there any other physical attributes that you failed to
tell us about that you can think of? Or do
you think he covered all that she could remember?
Speaker 1: The eyes I remember when I had my MVG's on.
When I first saw it. Initially with the hand I
saw like a hue of the eyes, kind of like
how a flashlight would kind of protrude off from a light.
I didn't leave my mvgs on and long enough to
get a good glimpse at the eyes, like a hue
from it. But when I had my headlights on the
on the dog man itself, those eyes were the most
piercing eyes have ever seen in my life. Very yellow,
very amberish, but very very serious looking. It gave us
a frown with those eyes looking at us when I
gave that smirk, And for the most part, the only
thing I was looking at was its face. I could
see the eyes, and you could see his fantastic dental job,
but the teeth weren't They looked. They looked like I
had just gotten a hold of something like he had
just had a good dinner or something. They weren't clean
at all whatsoever. And I'm pretty sure that's what most
animals look like. I don't know. I don't get that
close to their teeth, but like the eyes, the teeth
were very pointed out, especially when he gave a smirk.
Speaker 2: That's what i'd expect to hear. As far as his
arms would go. Were the lower parts of its arms
its fore arms in proportion lengthwise to its upper arms?
Or how did they look?
Speaker 1: They were longer?
Speaker 2: They were longer. Okay, well that fits too. Did you
ever see a tail on it?
Speaker 1: I did not see a tail?
Speaker 2: Is that because you didn't look for a tail or
for some other reason?
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, I wasn't looking. My
mind was still looking at like its shoulders and it's
like its head. I didn't even bother look at its
tail after I got out of the lights. I didn't
see one. I don't think there was one, but I'm
gonna be honestly, I wasn't looking at its tail. If
it had one.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, no harm, no foul. I mean,
you're just trying to hold it together, just taking it
all in so I understand after it took that step
and seemed to be sizing up your hummer. How close
was it to you at that point.
Speaker 1: From the hummer? Ten feet? Probably closer?
Speaker 2: Wow, still really close.
Speaker 1: From the end of the hummer was about ten feet
and the hummer itself was about five feet, so we're
probably about like sixteen feet from the actual thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's way too close for comfort. Now that you've
had all this time, Jeff, to sit and reflect on
everything that happened that night, why do you think it
smiled at you the way it did.
Speaker 1: If there's anything I've learned from listening to your shows,
they wanted to get arouse out of either of us
or both of us, which it for sure got. I
think from all the research I have done, they like
to get off on fear, or at least the thought
of fear. I think these things know they can't be
touched in their own world, and it wouldn't be too
far fetched where they would believe that these things can't
be touched by us.
Speaker 2: They're definitely cocky that way. So it's good you understand that.
You said that you do keep in touch with the LT,
But have you been keeping in touch with the two
sergeants that were in the back seat.
Speaker 1: I keep in touch one the other one I haven't
spoken to him a whole lot since he and I
are still very good on a relationship. It's just things
have happened. We've gone our separate ways. If we ever
saw each other on faithbook again, or saw each other
on the streets, we would probably have a handshake, go
well for a cup of coffee or whatnot, catch up,
go about our super ways. That's how we wore.
Speaker 2: Now that you're this far removed from the experience, have
you felled him out to maybe test the waters to
see okay? Well, is it okay to share this experience
with him?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Have you done anything like that? I have not. Well,
I can understand why. I mean, you're still enlisted. So
if you did that and you took it the wrong way,
that could really pose some problems for you. So it's
probably a good idea. It's a shame it has to
be that way, but it's understandable. How about family members
and friends? Have you broached the topic with anyone like that?
Speaker 1: I've only told my life.
Speaker 2: Oh you did? How did she respond?
Speaker 1: She knows there's things out there, She has that kind
of belief, and when I told her about the encounter,
from my judgment of her, she seemed it sounds like
she did believe me. She's asked me if I've been
okay being in the woods on my own a couple
of times since then. She's even ask me if I've
been okay, you know, being on patrol, because there's been
instances what I've had not exactly an encounter, but like
I've had to talk to people about an encounter of something,
and she's asking me if I've been okay, And usually
I have to tell her I'm good. I usually am
for the most part. But she's taken it very nicely.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you have a great wife. You're a lucky man.
Speaker 1: I do, yes. Was her seventh anniversary.
Speaker 2: Wow, congrats, thank you, well, you're welcome. You mentioned that
you've had to speak with other people about quote unquote experiences,
what kind of experiences.
Speaker 1: There was one instance when I got a call to
a house on our northeast side. Well, it was a
little farther of the outskirts of the city, and I
got there the scene had already been concluded, so I
went over there for just a what we call a
health and welfare check, and I asked her, and I'm like, hey,
would you I know you read talked to him. Would
you mind just catching me up? It's like, if there's
anything I can help you with, you know, I might
be able to And she gave me a description of nothing.
It wouldn't sound like a dog man to me. It
sounds more bigfoot like, which is even more stunning given
where we live. But everything that she told me in
the way how she told me resonated of someone who
was terrified belief.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great that you spoke with her about it.
Did you try to console her or just collect data?
Speaker 1: I tried to console her a little bit. I couldn't
really give her information about this given to I had
to keep a professional and I was on body cam
at that point in time. But I tried to let
her know, like, hey, you need anything, you know, give
my number a call. I'm not very far away. I
will come and help you out anyway ship before I can.
And she's been fine and she's never had an incident since.
But she's called me once to come back to do
a quick investigation of her area because she was explaining
that there was broken door like her door to her
like her, She like a large backyard barn, and she
said the door hadn't broken right off, And I didn't
think much about it. You know, I could break a
door off, a door, a barn door, And once I
saw the barn door myself, I was like, Okay, I
could not do this. This is a big guy or
a big boy right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sure it's not lost on you. The Sasquatch
do things like that, so it just might be what
it was.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a track, I've never seen any kind
of evidence to point out that it was that. Would
it surprise me? Not one bit, not after what I've seen.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet. And I'm sure you had to be
busting at the seams to want to tell her about
your experience. But like you said, you couldn't do it
for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: Now, I've considered given her a call and just catching up,
but I don't think my wife would like that, so
I haven't done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably wouldn't appreciate that. That's a good point. Well,
earlier on Jeff, we talked about the pure normal experience
that frightened you so much. Before we get out of here,
what can you tell us about it?
Speaker 1: So I was at a friend's house. I grew up
with very strict parents, but this was around that timeframe
when I was allowed to finally start going out and
like spending night at my friend's house. And unfortunately for me,
this house was only about a quarter of mile from
where I lived, so it wasn't that real big of
a deal. But we, me and my friend, we were
just playing Xbox. We weren't doing too much about anything,
and I remember I had to go to the restroom.
So I got up, got outside the door, and I
went and I walked on the hallway and as I
got to the bathroom door. Mind you this it was
just me and him in the house. We were playing
video games. We had just ordered pizza. Nobody's in the
house with me and him. His parents, his sister, and
their aunt had all going out, gone out to go
to a movie. And you never just stay back. I
reached for the door and the doors slammed on me,
and it took me back, and I wasn't thinking about
much of it. And again, I gotta go to the restroom.
So I tried to open a door and it wouldn't open,
so I kind of gave up on it, and I
turned around and there's this large figure, like a very
tall figure. His head was touching the the top of
the roof where he was living, and it was roughly
about ten to twelve feet from top to bottom, and
it was just all black shadow looking right at me.
And as I had seen that, I froze for a second.
And next thing, you know, it just rushes right at
me and I turn around and I put a hole
inside my friend's parents door by running through it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: After that, he asked me what was wrong, and I
told him what happened. He's like, I've seen it too,
And we put a deck fox back into my backpack
and we haul it back to my house and we
don't turn around. Next thing, you know, we get a
call from his parents saying, why is there door a
hole in the door. We explained what happened, and they're like, okay,
it's not just us. We gotta get the house blessed.
Speaker 2: Wow. That's awfully freaky. Yeah, I can understand why you
said it was such a frightening experience. Was that figure
robust and build or slender.
Speaker 1: Slender like look like the thing the thing that had
never eaten a hamburger in his life. I thought flon
there was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Jeff, do you know much about cryptids?
Speaker 1: I know a bit. I'm not. I wouldnt say I'm
no expert, but I know a bit well.
Speaker 2: The way you described it sure makes it sound like
it might have been a slender man.
Speaker 1: I have heard about that.
Speaker 2: It does make you wonder. Well before we get out,
if you're do you have any clothes in comments you'd
like to share?
Speaker 1: So what I did learn about the dog man itself?
In Louisiana, it has a name. It's called the Rugaroo,
very prominent. They even have a whole theat for it.
They even have a roller coaster ride for it. But
that's where the thing came from. They call it the
Cajun werewolf kind of came from the name called Loup Garou.
Very interesting. There's a bunch of things to kind of
avoid it. There's even a curse that comes with it.
Apparently I wasn't struck with it. I don't hope that god.
Neither one of my supervisors were either. But I cannot
count the thirteen apparently. But with that being said, that's
kind of like the one thing I got out of
this encounter was I got to learn more about it
and more along with more dog Man.
Speaker 2: You definitely got an education on it, unfortunately. Well, Jeff,
I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
the details of that experience with this. I really appreciate it,
of course, and down the road, if you do start
to have trouble with that experience, by all means, please
let me know because I'll be here for you.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and
have a great night.
Speaker 1: Come