1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 1: At a book. 2 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,599 Speaker 2: If you've had a Dogman encounter, I would like to 3 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,719 speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on 4 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:35,599 the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit 5 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,439 a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would 6 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,799 like to be a guest on one of my two 7 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,959 bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. 8 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,719 Tonight's guest is Jeff. Jeff, Welcome to the show. 9 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Hi, how's it going. 10 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:54,079 Speaker 2: Well, it's going pretty good. I can't complain. But more importantly, 11 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:54,719 how have you been. 12 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I've been really hot down here in Texas, but I'm 13 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,439 doing good. 14 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you are. Said your AC is broken. 15 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:05,560 That's not good. I'll get it picked one day, hopefully 16 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:10,120 sooner rather than later. But yeah, I guess time will tell. Jeff, 17 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,639 please give us a brief bio one yourself. 18 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,439 Speaker 1: Well, I'm twenty seven years old, born and raised in 19 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,000 San Antonio, Texas. Right around my twentieth birthday, I am 20 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,599 listed in the US Army. Spent five years in active duty, 21 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:28,479 another four years in active reserve. All in the meantime. 22 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,840 After I got an active duty, I joined my local 23 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,280 sheriff's office down over here. Been working here ever since. 24 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:40,120 And I have a wife, I have one kid and 25 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,360 another one on the way, and it's really about the 26 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,639 gist that I can give up right now. 27 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your service to our country. 28 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,319 I really appreciate it. Sure thing, Jeff, your encounter happened 29 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:55,879 at a military b sore you at liberty to tell 30 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,919 us which space. 31 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: It was, Yes, it was a back then it's called 32 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,000 Fort Polk, but now it's called Fort Johnson for all 33 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:07,199 the newer folks who are coming into the military. It's 34 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:10,319 in Louisiana, just north of Leedsville. 35 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Had anything happened to you on that base before you 36 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,680 had that encounter, they gave you the impression that something 37 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,120 just might have been off. 38 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: My house that we lived in before my daughter was born. 39 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,599 We had a bunch of like hauntings. It was very prominent. 40 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,960 You would have all these posts that we would see 41 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,319 on Facebook because it was a post that we had. 42 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,719 It was a Facebook page called a Weird Things for Polk, 43 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,879 especially for our street area, which is called Kyle Field 44 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,120 I think is what it's called Kimera at the top 45 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,039 of my head. And we had learned that it was 46 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:55,639 on a bunch of Native American Burio Grounds, which made 47 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,680 sense to me. I didn't know how big it was, 48 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,560 or at least at that point in time, I didn't 49 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,639 know how big it was because we had a place 50 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,680 called Tiger Land, which, if you think about it, sounds 51 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,439 like a theme park, but it's anything. But the whole 52 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,439 area is kind of built on Native American land. So 53 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,800 once I had figured out that was the case, paranormal 54 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,040 stuff started to make sense to me at that point 55 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:23,399 in time. 56 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:26,439 Speaker 2: Do you think in some way that having all those 57 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,480 paranormal experiences might have prepared you, at least to a 58 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,240 certain degree for that dog me in the encounter? 59 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: You had no, not at all. I was prepared for ghosts. 60 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:42,319 I knew the spiritual things behind those. I knew how 61 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,720 to not necessarily combat them, but how to understand them, 62 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:49,920 how not to provoke them in any way, shape or form. 63 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:56,199 I've seen a bunch of YouTube videos, TV, etc. You 64 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,959 name it, on how to kind of get rid of them, 65 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,240 how to live a day to day life with them, 66 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,600 and of course if they get bad, always contact a 67 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:09,079 local church or local priests and see how they can 68 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:11,279 help you out with that, which is ultimately what we 69 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,560 ended up doing for our house. But Did they prepare 70 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,839 me any way to perform for what I thought that night? 71 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:20,199 Not one bit. 72 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,759 Speaker 2: Well that's too bad. It might seem like a strange question, 73 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,040 but a lot of eyewitnesses who have grown up in 74 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,079 haunted houses they say that those experiences did prepare them 75 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,959 for the dog being encounters they had. So yeah, that's 76 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 why I asked. And it's not like life isn't difficult 77 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,759 enough as it is. It's really a shame if you 78 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,199 have to deal with hauntings in your own home in 79 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,439 addition everything that life throws at you. That's not good. 80 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not. For sure. 81 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: Did having that dog mean encounter that we're going to 82 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,759 talk about in a bit compromise your ability to perform 83 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:55,560 your duties in the service and all? 84 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,519 Speaker 1: Uh no, quite Frankly, my chaining command did not care 85 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:05,480 to the point where we were out in the field 86 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,439 the month after that. I was weary about it. I 87 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,959 kept my eyes open, especially at night because a lot 88 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:18,480 of times I worked the night shift. But it didn't 89 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,439 hinder my ability. It just made me more cautious to 90 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:28,000 my surroundings because back then, you know, as a brand 91 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,879 new private I wasn't thinking much about being aware of 92 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:33,480 my surroundings in a training facility. 93 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: He as young as you were, I'll bet you weren't. 94 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,040 But you have an experience like that, it's really going 95 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,319 to heighten those senses, that's guaranteed. How much time did 96 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,279 you spend in the woods before you enlisted? 97 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,639 Speaker 1: Not as much as I wanted to, Honestly. When I 98 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,600 was younger, I grew up hunting and fishing with my 99 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:58,000 aunts and uncles. Didn't really grow up with an outdoors 100 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,879 the family first. In all my extended family, they were 101 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,120 have it outdoorsman. I went hunting and fishing with them 102 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,800 all the time from the time I was four to 103 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,399 the time I was about ten or twelve. 104 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: So you did spend a lot of time out in 105 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,439 the woods. Well that's good. I'm still a little confused 106 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:18,680 about this though. Can you go into the woods now 107 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,240 alone without much trouble? You're still in the military, but 108 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,279 that doesn't mean that you can still go into the 109 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:25,879 woods without a lot of difficulty. 110 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: I have to do it all the time actually on 111 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,759 my own for my job. 112 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: Wow. So you're forced into that situation. Thank goodness for 113 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:36,399 you able to deal with that encounter better than most 114 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:40,480 eye witnesses. Because if you couldn't. That would really be difficult. 115 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,519 Speaker 1: For you, It really would. I don't think I would 116 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:46,680 have been able to do what I love doing if 117 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:51,000 I had let this be detrimental to me like I 118 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,879 thought I would have when I first encountered it. 119 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a given. You told us just 120 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,839 a bit ago about growing up in that haunted house. 121 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,040 Did an experiences you had growing up in that house 122 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,560 top the fear that you felt when you had your 123 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,439 dog mee an encounter. 124 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: I've only had one instance where I've been in a 125 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:14,600 haunted house where I did not think it was going 126 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,519 to come out alive, and the same kind of retrospect 127 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:21,519 to this encounter. The prior before I joined the military, 128 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,399 I had no experience in anything of that magnitude, and 129 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,839 I am grateful, by the grace of God that that 130 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,959 was not my house, because I would have left the 131 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,279 house the moment I found out what happened. 132 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: Wow, it must have been bad, really bad experience. We're 133 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,200 not going to get into that now, but if you 134 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,279 don't mind, after a bit, I'll ask you to tell 135 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,279 us about what happened. 136 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,799 Speaker 1: Sure thing, all right? 137 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: Great, all right, Mike, Please tell us about your encounter now. 138 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:51,679 Give us every last detail that comes to mind. 139 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:57,399 Speaker 1: Sure thing. So this encounter happened and something what we 140 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:04,840 call JRTV or Joint Readiness in Command for Louisiana. It 141 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,440 was roughly around the end of August early September. We're 142 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,840 getting ready to finish one of our rotations. For a 143 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:14,240 lot of them military folks who don't are listening to this, 144 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,840 a rotation generally for us is about a month to 145 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,440 about forty five days, give or take, depending on the 146 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,279 training regiment that we're going to be doing, depending on 147 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:30,159 what our job is, that's generally how it goes. My 148 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,000 unit was what we call a home unit. We're not 149 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:37,559 called Geronimo. We're just the home unit. We aren't in 150 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:40,360 the field as often as Geronimo was. They are in 151 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:46,200 the field monthly, unfortunate for them, but for us we 152 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,679 would go every three to four weeks. It would be 153 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:53,039 up for a couple of weeks, but during this timeframe 154 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,480 we were gone for an entire month. So in the 155 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,120 late portions of August at least September, I had just 156 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:05,679 finished a night shift. So it was my job in 157 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:10,440 the intel field where I was in charge of operating 158 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,960 a system that allowed us to work with drones to 159 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,519 see the surroundings around us, keep an eye on the 160 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:26,159 enemy forces four and make sure that we're in a 161 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,519 state vicinity. That was primarily my job. My lieutenant Lieutenant 162 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:34,399 s is what I would like to call her, because 163 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,159 she's asked me to keep her name out of it. 164 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,759 She was primarily what we would call an F two, 165 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,799 kind of like the red hat. It's her job to 166 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,080 think of how the enemy is going to attack my unit, 167 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,440 which at the time was of Field Artillery Battalion. And 168 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:03,240 there was one instance where where we got called to 169 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:09,039 go to a meeting for the brigade, and this was 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,360 set to go off around three point thirty four thirty 171 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,519 in the morning. I had just worked the night shifts 172 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,240 the night beforehand, so I was getting ready to get 173 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:20,120 up and she told me, hey, I need you get up. 174 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:23,000 I need you get the truck ready. We're gonna sp 175 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,399 off around thirty minutes. We're gonna head over to brigade 176 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,679 to have this meeting for my mom's not a military 177 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,200 folk here. Sp is primarily for setting off. We're getting 178 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,799 ready to go. So I got the truck ready prepared 179 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,200 and I noticed out in the back that there was 180 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:47,840 like right in front of my truck that there was 181 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:50,320 a swarm incoming. You could see the lightning, you can 182 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,200 see the purple heath from the sky, you could see 183 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,519 the trees everything which is blowing. And it's just like, oh, 184 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,840 this is not gonna be a it's not gonna be 185 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,279 a good night. Right off the bat and I got 186 00:12:04,279 --> 00:12:07,559 everything ready. I got my MVG's on my helmet, on 187 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:11,440 my rhino mount, and I got my my ir light, 188 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:13,600 which is what we call it a little side winder, 189 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:17,039 and I went over to the tent and I had 190 00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:19,679 talked to Michetinudon, like, hey man, we're ready to FP. 191 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,240 She'sid okay, good. We're gonna have both our sergeants who 192 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:27,039 have asked to might be named or have both of 193 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:31,159 stargist rides shotgun or right in the back, and we're 194 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,120 gonna take off here in about ten minutes. So I 195 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,360 got in the truck and almost as soon as I 196 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,919 got into the truck, I smelled the smell that everybody 197 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:41,600 knows when it comes to being the field and when 198 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:47,360 it rains straight humidity. Right after that is when it 199 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:52,799 started pouring like crazy, like it went from ninth night 200 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,320 with the wind gusts to a crazy night with nothing 201 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:04,039 but a Jurassic part storm blown right on us. So 202 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,799 Liegenet came into the truck along with the sergeants who 203 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,919 are in the back, who had worked the entire day shift, 204 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:12,200 so I knew they weren't going to be as much 205 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,879 of a help as far as navigation, so it was 206 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:19,039 just gonna beat me in her. They had told me 207 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:20,399 that they were going to map out in the back 208 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,600 of the truck, which was pretty common for us at 209 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,159 that point in time. She gave me the map and 210 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,320 I had looked it up through our MGRS coordinate little 211 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,720 tracker that we had and kind of planned a route. 212 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:36,960 And I knew that there was a route that was 213 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,320 gonna take over us, like some of these hills that 214 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,240 we had that wouldn't put us out in the open. 215 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,240 And I'm thinking, like in a training aspect of I 216 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:50,279 don't want to get a quote unquote killed. I knew 217 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:51,840 we're gonna have to take these hills because it's the 218 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:55,320 only way to get there safely and then avoid an 219 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:02,320 entire flash flood. We ended up taking this route. So 220 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,720 I get the truck started and we take off, and 221 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,200 my first indication of that this was not going to 222 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,639 be a good drive was my mvgs. They're not the 223 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,200 greatest in the world, but anybody who's ever worn them 224 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,679 knows they have horrible, horrible death perception. So you can 225 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,679 drive five feet in front of you and you can 226 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,039 hit a poll hood you'll never know it hit happens. 227 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,480 And that's kind of how it start off. For people 228 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,039 who've lived in four Pole, they know driving over there is, 229 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:36,039 especially in the field, not a fun trip at all whatsoever. 230 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,000 It's like off roading the entire way. Even in the field, 231 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,519 it's worse one way or another. You will get stuck. 232 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:49,039 It happens. But we had taken off, we did a 233 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,960 couple of turns. I noticed that the only way I 234 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,919 could see was through the lightning. So I was going 235 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:59,000 roughly two three miles in an hour, a flow as 236 00:14:59,039 --> 00:15:02,559 I've possibly ever driven home v and the only way 237 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,840 I can see is with lightning. And I'm trying to 238 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,519 keep this as tactical as possible, and my lieutenant tells 239 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,360 me like, hey, I need you to hurry up because 240 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:14,279 the thing starts in you know this amount of time. 241 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,039 So I push it, and by the grace of God, 242 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,279 I am able to see through the lightning, because it 243 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,120 was just that bright with the lightning, and it just 244 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:29,919 kept happening that much, and we came across this like 245 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,200 downslope of a hill and then it just started getting dark, 246 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:35,919 and I just remember telling my lieutenant like, hey, I 247 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,200 cannot see. I'm going to try something. So I grabbed 248 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,559 my little sidewinder flashlight and I put it at the 249 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,120 front where my uh my hood is, and I turned 250 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:49,600 it on and I turned it the ir on. I 251 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,919 have a howle ir light that I have and it 252 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,919 allows me to see not very well, but it's enough 253 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,600 to get through. So I go down this hill and 254 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,320 the twisting turns and we get around this little bend. 255 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,000 And as we had gone around this little bend, there 256 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,279 was this really really steep hill, probably amongst the one 257 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:17,080 of the seepest hills I've ever been on. I had 258 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,600 to stop because I was going to put the car 259 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,159 or the humbie in too low to get it up there. 260 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,600 That's what my l team struck me to do. That's 261 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:28,720 what I did, she asked me, because she thought that 262 00:16:28,759 --> 00:16:31,039 way before I did. There was a puddle at the 263 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,759 right at the base of the hill, and it's the 264 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:40,200 wind is blowing. You can the moment I opened the door, 265 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,200 you couldn't hear anything. That's how bad it was. But 266 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,360 right beforehand she had asked me to go check the puzzle, 267 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:48,000 see how deep it is, and we didn't get stuck 268 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:55,440 by accident. So I grabbed my M four arm with blanks, 269 00:16:57,039 --> 00:16:59,360 and I grabbed my little headlamp put on the side 270 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,960 of my helmet, and I start getting out of the truck. 271 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:05,640 The first thing I noticed is I cannot hear anything. 272 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,160 I cannot see anything. It's all like to see is 273 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,359 the lightning. So I switched my ir light to red 274 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,440 light and I walked very slowly to uh to this puddle, 275 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,640 and all I remember is that the wind was just 276 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,480 blowing fiercely on me. I left my balance for probably 277 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:29,119 the third or fourth step to the puddle, which was 278 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,799 about thirty forty feet away from me. Along the way, 279 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:35,839 there is a stick on the ground that I grabbed up, 280 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,559 and I decided to poke it into the puddle to 281 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:43,119 see how deep it was. Thankfully, it wasn't deep, but 282 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:46,839 the wind gus had blown me and if my balance 283 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,680 and I hear this loud snap, I sound like a 284 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:59,119 tree breaking, and I'm looking to get out of the way, 285 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,720 because I'm looking at the sky looking for a fallen tree, 286 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:05,279 because I don't want to get hit. I want to 287 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:06,799 go home. I want to see my wife, I want 288 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:14,680 to see my kid. And I don't see anything, and 289 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:21,000 out of nowhere, I just smell this really like a 290 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:26,559 sulfur kind of foul smell, like rotten eggs. I thought 291 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:28,400 I was just next to like a sulfur plant or 292 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,359 a little sulfur hole that happens all the time over there. 293 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,920 It just felt bad. So I just remember walking back 294 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,279 to the truck and I'm looking down up the ground 295 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,319 and my lieutenant just yells at me and says, Jeff, 296 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:52,519 get in the truck now. And I look at her. 297 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,119 I'm like, oh my god, we're actually about to get attacked. 298 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,599 I'm about to have a match in here. So I 299 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,759 grabbed my M four that's in my left hand, and 300 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,680 I get it, you know, in the loaded ready position, 301 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,640 and I start like hauling butt to the truck and 302 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,880 I get into the truck. I opened the door, and 303 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,720 I asked her, Hey, what's wrong, And she just has 304 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:21,400 this blank there on her like she had just seen 305 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,240 somebody die. She's been in the military a lot longer 306 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,119 than I have been, and I didn't learn this until 307 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:32,440 my first appointment about that look. But at that time, 308 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:34,400 that was the only look I could describe. Is she 309 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,119 had just seen, like something, somebody die, And I asked 310 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,839 her what's wrong? And I couldn't tell if she had 311 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,480 gotten wet from the rain that was constantly pouring on us, 312 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,319 or if she was crying. And it didn't dawn me 313 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:55,400 that she was crying until I heard the little sylum. 314 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,720 And I think of her as a sister, not just 315 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,680 a sister in arms, but actually a little younger sister 316 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:12,319 to me. And I was asking, hey, what's wrong. I'm 317 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,440 a soldier for her, but I'm gonna take care of 318 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,319 her like she's all my best friends. And she didn't 319 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:25,200 say anything, and I was looking around and I couldn't 320 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,880 see anything. So at this point in time, I had 321 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,519 put my IR light on next to the windshield and 322 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:35,720 I still couldn't see anything. So at this point I 323 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:39,200 just said, you know, safety first, because she's not saying anything. 324 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,759 This is not you know, a combat situation. Safety first, 325 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,799 I put the UH, I go from IR to full 326 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:56,480 blast on my headland or my head beams, put them 327 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:01,640 on the high beams, and I didn't see anything for 328 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,440 a moment, so I turned back to her and she's 329 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000 got this wide eyed expression to her, and I just 330 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:16,400 remember turning back to where she was looking at and 331 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,200 it didn't even dawn on me. From where I was 332 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,119 sitting at that moment in time, all I could see 333 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,680 was like this very large black hand with claws on 334 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:36,119 the tree. And I remember just kind of like shifting 335 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,880 myself a little bit, and what I could see was 336 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:50,200 like this head poking out of the tree. And I 337 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:54,640 was thinking to myself initially like that is the biggest 338 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:57,039 wherewof coffee I've ever seen in my life at this 339 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:03,279 moment in time. And as I had realized that, I 340 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,559 was like, wait a minute, we are in a huge 341 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,640 storm that rivals the storm you would watch in Jurassic Park. 342 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,839 I'm in the middle of the woods on a military 343 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:16,960 base with you got some people here who are actually 344 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,440 armed with live ammunition, especially in my unit, with you know, 345 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,839 the artillery year rounds that we had. This isn't adding 346 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:33,160 up to me. And as that thought process had went 347 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,160 through my mind, I'm looking at this thing and it 348 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,839 takes one step over this fallen tree which I had 349 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,880 equated that that was the fallen tree that I had 350 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,319 possibly heard. I didn't hear it at the ground, but 351 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,200 in my mind, that's what I thought had happened. And 352 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,880 it takes this step over it, and then another step 353 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,319 over that tree as well, and when I saw the feet, 354 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:09,160 I knew that this was not anything like that. This 355 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:16,880 was a living creature. This was not nothing I was 356 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,960 prepared for. And it took two steps and it was 357 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,480 out of the woodline and into the into the street, 358 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,559 and at that point I could get a full view 359 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:37,799 of it. It was humongous, easily seven to eight feet tall, 360 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,880 much bigger than I am, had very broad shoulders, pointy ears. 361 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,279 In years that I've watched horror movies, the only thing 362 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:50,799 I can probably compare this to is the World from 363 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:55,279 Vent Healthing, the one that Hugh Jaton played. As I'm 364 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,640 looking at the thing, and it's looking at both lieutenant 365 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:08,160 and my fl elf, and it's got this weird little 366 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:13,839 arch on its back like it's about to start taking 367 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:19,880 off or something, and then it just kind of like 368 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,920 leans up and that arch is gone and stands up. 369 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,200 And at this point in time, there all you hear 370 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,960 is see is the rain, but the thing you can 371 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:36,359 hear pops like imagine your bones popping, like you're cracking 372 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:45,359 your knuckles, but much louder. I'm hearing this, and my 373 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,720 heart is dropping into my stomach because at this point 374 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,359 in time, I'm realizing that the danger that I'm in, 375 00:24:55,839 --> 00:25:01,319 I have an M four armed with blank and a 376 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,720 Humby and I got this leathermin multitol on my hip. 377 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:13,599 I'm not prepared for this. And it was at that 378 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,079 moment when I had thought about I'm not prepared for this. 379 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,720 I had turned to my lieutenant and she is bawling 380 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,319 her eyes out. She's crying, and I have no idea 381 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,279 what to do. At this point, I am twenty one 382 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:36,680 years old. I have I'm not prepared for anything like this. 383 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,880 This stuff that doesn't happen to people, especially us in 384 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,240 the military. We are most of us are trained hardened 385 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:47,160 to deal with all kinds of situations left and right. 386 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,240 I've done it, I was trained for it. But when 387 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,279 this happened, and when it was faced with me, I 388 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,599 had no clue what to do. I was watching this 389 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,440 thing and it just takes another step and it just 390 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,839 kind of sizes up the Humby, and I'm telling you 391 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,599 this thing was much bigger than the humphy. It was 392 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,319 standing up, it was looking at us, looking down at us. 393 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:25,240 That's how tall it was. And as I have like 394 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,119 this blank stare at it, I'm kind of like keeping 395 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,720 an eye on my lieutenant and she just frozen in fear. 396 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240 And at this moment in time, that's when I started 397 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:40,039 to think of I have no protection here, even from 398 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,200 my M four, my multitool. Nothing we have. Our humby 399 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:48,400 has these plastic doors, my stargean tour in the back 400 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,359 have plastic walls that are it's just a covering. There's 401 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,759 nothing to protect us here. And as that thought came 402 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,480 to my mind, I'm looking at this creature and it 403 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:07,400 just gives this smile, like a kind of look. And 404 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,319 right after that, it had just decided to just turn 405 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,839 around and walk towards the other side of the road, 406 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,880 and it disappeared right into the other side of the forest. 407 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,599 You could hear it crushing branches, you could hear it stepping. 408 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:36,039 It was heavy, and it was gone just like that. 409 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,720 And it took me it felt like ten to fifty minutes, 410 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,640 but in all reality, it was probably about thirty seconds. 411 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,559 When I had to pull myself together because I had 412 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,319 three other lives in my in my control right now. 413 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,640 So I put the the humvee and drive and I 414 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480 hauled it. I hauled myself out of there. I got 415 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,519 up that hill. I don't even matter if I flit 416 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,400 or anything. I just got up that hill and I 417 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,119 went full light, full light on. I did not care 418 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,599 to me. It was faithy at this point. I got 419 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:19,839 us to the location, and thankfully, it just seemed like 420 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:24,440 time had a standstill. But we had an entire, an 421 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,759 entire hour to gather our thoughts before she had to 422 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:34,400 go into that meeting. We got there and the sergeants 423 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,880 who were completely oblivious to everything. They didn't even know 424 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,960 what's going on. They were over here chewing me out 425 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,880 for rough driving with the light being on, and then 426 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,279 Lieutenant had gone after them, like no, like take it easy, guys. 427 00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:54,640 He got us out of a bad situation. So they 428 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,799 went and did their thing. They were hooking cigarettes and 429 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,640 chewing dib She and I were sitting in the back 430 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,079 of in our seats, and I just remembered looking at her, 431 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:09,039 I'm like, man, are you okay? And she didn't say anything. 432 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:15,079 She didn't She grabbed her little book Green Booklet got 433 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,799 up and left, and I'm just sitting in the um 434 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,960 vie and I just thinking to myself, monsters are real? 435 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,640 Holy cow? Are all these stories that I would watch 436 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,480 on TV? All these things are Are they actually real? 437 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,680 Did I see that I Did I eat something that 438 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:46,200 made me hallucinate or something? Was that really real? So 439 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,359 I take off my helmet and put it on top 440 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,480 of my my fearing wheel and I'm just having all 441 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,400 these thoughts to myself. And then it was probably about 442 00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:58,839 half an hour later where I got on the radio, 443 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200 like the sergeants are being called. One of the other 444 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,319 E seven is gonna come and pick them up, and 445 00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:11,279 I'm gonna drive my lieutenant back. So she gets back, 446 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,240 I want to say, roughly around like eight or nine 447 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,240 in the morning. It's been four hours at this point, 448 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,359 and I'm getting the truck ready, I move it around, 449 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:25,480 and I'm just sitting down on the hood looking at 450 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:32,480 the woods, wondering all sorts of things of like is 451 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,880 this real? And she kind of gives me like this 452 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,559 jump scare and she's like, hey, Jeff. I was like, yes, ma'am, 453 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:49,279 what can I do? And I'm standing there and I'm 454 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:50,960 just grabbing my stuff and getting ready, and she just 455 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:58,319 hugs me. And it's not really allowed for our officers 456 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,160 and lower lists to have any kind of physical contact 457 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,720 like other than like a knuckle punch or a handshake 458 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,920 or even a salute. But at this point in time, 459 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,519 I had felt like I felt like that it was 460 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,839 just a warranted thing, like okay, man, what's this And 461 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,319 she's like, thank you for getting us out of there, 462 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:24,880 like we owe you our lives and no one will 463 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,079 ever know. And I didn't even think about it like that. 464 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,599 I just thought as like we just had on arguably 465 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,039 the scariest moment of our lives. A hug. Hug in 466 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:41,960 military bearings is at least my concern at this moment 467 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,400 in time. I asked her, are we going to report this? 468 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,400 And she said, no, we cannot lose our clearances, We 469 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,240 cannot do anything of such sort. I told one person. 470 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,359 He said, just don't mention it, because then there will 471 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,319 be a whole bunch of things that I cannot mention 472 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,039 that are going to happen. So I didn't say anything. 473 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,160 I didn't tell my wife, I didn't tell anybody. I 474 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,839 still had to go to the field roughly the next 475 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,000 month after that, but it didn't involve either my startings 476 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,680 from our lieutenants. It was kind of just me and 477 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,119 myself at that point along with another team, So I 478 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,279 kind of was forced into having to adjust. When I 479 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:33,240 came back from the field that weekend, my lieutenant was gone. 480 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,079 She had left the base, she got orders to go 481 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:39,720 to another base, and that was kind of the less 482 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,759 I had I have seen of her. I still keep 483 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,279 in contact with her, but that was less I have 484 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:50,359 seen of her. I mean, that's really really it actually Wow. 485 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,599 Speaker 2: That's a lot a lot to beer there. If you're 486 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,839 not in the military and you have an encounter, it's 487 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,200 difficult enough to deal with what happened to you, But yeah, 488 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640 if you are in the Middle Terrian, something like that happens, 489 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,720 zek it's really hard to deal with for more reasons 490 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,759 than one has there ever been a time, considering the 491 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:13,039 fact you're still enlisted, where you've really been concerned about 492 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,119 your career, the secret getting out and compromising your career. 493 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: Not really more or less. It's just my first name 494 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,440 being released, no other information, so nothing really can be 495 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,640 linked to me except the people that know about the story. 496 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,599 But as far as my career, Honestly, I'm in the 497 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,680 ending stretches of my career. I'm ready to get out 498 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,640 of it. Been in almost ten years at this point. 499 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,240 It's more of a safety thing as opposed to keeping 500 00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,839 things a secret, and there is nothing as far as 501 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,240 a brief wise mentioning this thing. 502 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's a good thing you kept quiet about that. 503 00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,119 A lot of people wouldn't have been able to do that. 504 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,920 You said you're heading to the brigade when that experience happened. 505 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:05,440 How far of a drive was. 506 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: At It was about seven miles. 507 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a pretty good drive. How far into the 508 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,039 drive were you when this happened. 509 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: We were, from a map perspective on an injury risk 510 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,639 on it, we were probably about four miles from the brigading, 511 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,480 So the three miles in, Yeah. 512 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good distance considering how Fort Polk is 513 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,119 laid out, being as big as it is. I'm sure 514 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,679 if you were three miles into that drive, there wasn't 515 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,360 anyone around close enough to hear you if you called 516 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,719 for help or anything like that. 517 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: Correct, No, not at all, even during daylight time. If 518 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,719 you have an issue and you have to call for it, 519 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,360 you're a minimum a day away from getting help unless 520 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,119 you know somebody. 521 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,199 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's not a good situation to be in 522 00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,400 at all. You weren't in the hummer when the you 523 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,079 first saw the dog? Mean, he said, But did you 524 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:03,960 ever hear a scream? 525 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't hear much over the wind. For one, The 526 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,199 hummer that we had was very loud. It's what we 527 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,800 would call deadlined. But we got lucky in that it 528 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,639 would still run, as just certain things would deadline the hummer. 529 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,400 But it had a very loud hum of an engine, 530 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,159 so I couldn't hear her over the wind as well 531 00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:30,239 as the hummer itself. And it was by the grace 532 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,800 of God that the wind had died down for just 533 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,280 that moment, and I was looking at her as when 534 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:36,960 I heard her call. 535 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 2: Me, Okay, that makes sense. How sure are you that 536 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,880 the two sergeants in the backseat didn't actually see it. 537 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm not very confident in it, other than I heard 538 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:56,199 one of them snoring, which was not uncommon because they're 539 00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,360 both very hardworking guys. I love them both to death, 540 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,800 but if I had to say it, I'm pretty sure 541 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,719 that they were both knocked out tired, and wouldn't surprising 542 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,039 they were asleep in the back of the hummer. What 543 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,519 could one of them have been awake to see it. 544 00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:17,679 It's very likely, especially one being from Louisiana himself, it 545 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,079 wouldn't surprise me. But do I think that they were 546 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,599 awake at that point in time? I don't. 547 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,159 Speaker 2: What really makes me wonder about that is it sounds 548 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,440 like things got pretty dicey once you realize that the 549 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,119 dog man was out there. So with that in mind, 550 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239 considering how that played out, is just really hard to 551 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,599 imagine that at least one of those guys didn't wake up, 552 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,119 But maybe they were tired enough where they slipped through it. 553 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:43,880 It's hard to say. 554 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: I've been deployed once I know what it feels like 555 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,519 to be that tired. It's a genuine tired enough feeling. 556 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,079 Speaker 2: Oh sure, Yeah, it's possible to be tired enough to 557 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,960 sleep through a tornado, So it's definitely possible. How close 558 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,920 would you say you were to that dog man at 559 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,760 the closest point when you were outside of the hummer. 560 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: From where I was standing, the tree line or the 561 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,679 edge of the street was maybe nine feet away from 562 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:15,960 you ten feet tops. 563 00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty close, way too close for comfort. Yeah, 564 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960 if you're that close. That was almost reach out and 565 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:23,920 touch you distance. 566 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: That's not very comfort and feelings. To be honest with you, No, 567 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,320 it's not. 568 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: It sounds like the LT was pretty guarded after you 569 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,119 two had that experience. How much trouble do you think 570 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,280 she's had over the years coming to terms with it. 571 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,519 Speaker 1: I don't know. She's doing well right now. She's doing 572 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:49,599 on her career. To my knowledge, I don't keep that 573 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,920 kind of contact with her other than a simple hey, 574 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,920 I help you doing well, you know, congratulations on your promotion, 575 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,159 and congratulations on the marriage, you know, things like that. 576 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,920 But from from a visual standpoint, I think she's doing well. 577 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,159 Speaker 2: I sure hope she is. You said that you don't 578 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,760 talk with her all that often, so I'm wondering, what 579 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,440 do you think are the odds that she's ever going 580 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,400 to find out that you actually came on the show 581 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,199 and shared this experience. 582 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,559 Speaker 1: If I had to put money on it, I wouldn't 583 00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:18,920 say she wouldn't do it well. 584 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 2: If she does listen to this, understand, I've spoken with 585 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,400 tons and tons of eyewitnesses. You're never going to hear 586 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,960 on the show. If you need help with your experience, 587 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,760 please let me know. Because we can always talk in 588 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,360 private and no one's ever going to know about it, 589 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,920 So please do keep that in mind. Jeff, when you 590 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,800 looked at the dog man, could you tell if it's 591 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,480 fur was matted due to the rain? It? 592 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: Honestly, it looked very flick I could from my that's 593 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,760 meant from I've never really seen a wolf. I've never 594 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,960 been around that area of the United States, but I've 595 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,519 been around coyote my entire life, and I always know 596 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,559 that older they get the tip of their fur get gray, 597 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,599 and I could tell what this one like the tip 598 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,199 like he had very pointed ears, like a German shepherd 599 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,199 kind of, but like if he got to his arms, 600 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,239 his arms kind of like his hair kind of like 601 00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,239 spread it out a little bit and you can see 602 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,480 like grayish tips on it with how bright my light 603 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,559 was on it. But it was a very thlick hair. 604 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,800 Almost like let's say if you had just gotten out 605 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,760 of shower and you have really long black hair and 606 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,440 you just got out and you look at a mirror, 607 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,159 that's what it looks like. 608 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably soaked from the rain, so it's not a 609 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,840 surprise to look that way. How would you describe its legs. 610 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: Very dog like canaine like it was. It's got I 611 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,880 don't know what the back of the leg is called 612 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,280 of a of a normal dog, hawk a hawk. It 613 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,639 had very hawk like feet, looked just like an actual dog, 614 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,960 just missing the other half, and you got a man 615 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,840 on top of them. 616 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,159 Speaker 2: Prototypical canon type dog mean structure. So that's what it 617 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,239 must have been when you saw it step over that 618 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,159 fallen tree. Did it look coordinated when it did that? 619 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,119 Or did it look kind of off balance? 620 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: It looked elegant. More about that I've ever been my 621 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,440 entire life. 622 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,039 Speaker 2: Well, some eyewitnesses say when they see these guys standing 623 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,199 or moving when they're not running, that is, they look 624 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,519 kind of off balance, kind of like a woman that's 625 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:37,559 in really high heels. Others say they look really coordinated 626 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,679 and really steady. So there really isn't any rhyme nor 627 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,519 reason what to expect when you see them standing there 628 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,480 looking at you're moving slowly as far as I'm being 629 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:48,599 awkward or in perfect balance. 630 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:56,679 Speaker 1: Now, the thing it walked like, it walked like it 631 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,880 oh in the forwards, with confidence, well balanced. That thing 632 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,639 was top dog. 633 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,639 Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure it did on those woods. Was 634 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,519 its head in proportion size wise to its body or 635 00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:13,440 was it disproportionately large? 636 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: It looked rather proportionate, but it looked a little bit 637 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,719 off fet like a little just a little bigger to 638 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,480 its body. Nothing true draftic, but it looked a little 639 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,039 bit bigger than proportionate. 640 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,519 Speaker 2: You talked about its ears. Were they sitting on top 641 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:33,920 of its head or on the sides? 642 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,199 Speaker 1: Kind of both? Actually, like you know how you have 643 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,119 the top of your top dog with the ears on top, 644 00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,559 but like imagine like a little a cant to it. 645 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you mean. Did it have them 646 00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,199 pinned back when you saw its ears or were they 647 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,239 standing straight up? 648 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: The only time I thought that ears pinned back is 649 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,000 when it was crossing over that uh that log. 650 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have done that. One was focusing on 651 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,199 balance or something. It's hard to say. You said that 652 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,800 it had ears like a German shepherd, But how tall 653 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,760 would you say they were? 654 00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 1: The ears or the dogmain itself? The ears? I couldn't 655 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,480 be honest with you on that. Maybe eight nine inches 656 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:24,320 those are tall ears, Like the ears were very standoffish. 657 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,360 But between the ears and the eyes, I couldn't tell 658 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,719 you what I was focusing on more. 659 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're in so much shock. You're doing good 660 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,000 to know your own name, so you deserve a lot 661 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,519 of credit for being able to notice all these details. 662 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,400 Are there any other physical attributes that you failed to 663 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,440 tell us about that you can think of? Or do 664 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719 you think he covered all that she could remember? 665 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 1: The eyes I remember when I had my MVG's on. 666 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,239 When I first saw it. Initially with the hand I 667 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,519 saw like a hue of the eyes, kind of like 668 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,920 how a flashlight would kind of protrude off from a light. 669 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,400 I didn't leave my mvgs on and long enough to 670 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,679 get a good glimpse at the eyes, like a hue 671 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,880 from it. But when I had my headlights on the 672 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,280 on the dog man itself, those eyes were the most 673 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:28,039 piercing eyes have ever seen in my life. Very yellow, 674 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:37,920 very amberish, but very very serious looking. It gave us 675 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,639 a frown with those eyes looking at us when I 676 00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:48,480 gave that smirk, And for the most part, the only 677 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:53,039 thing I was looking at was its face. I could 678 00:43:53,079 --> 00:44:01,360 see the eyes, and you could see his fantastic dental job, 679 00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:08,840 but the teeth weren't They looked. They looked like I 680 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,719 had just gotten a hold of something like he had 681 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,079 just had a good dinner or something. They weren't clean 682 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,239 at all whatsoever. And I'm pretty sure that's what most 683 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,079 animals look like. I don't know. I don't get that 684 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,519 close to their teeth, but like the eyes, the teeth 685 00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,559 were very pointed out, especially when he gave a smirk. 686 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,199 Speaker 2: That's what i'd expect to hear. As far as his 687 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,920 arms would go. Were the lower parts of its arms 688 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,280 its fore arms in proportion lengthwise to its upper arms? 689 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,000 Or how did they look? 690 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: They were longer? 691 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 2: They were longer. Okay, well that fits too. Did you 692 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,599 ever see a tail on it? 693 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:53,519 Speaker 1: I did not see a tail? 694 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 2: Is that because you didn't look for a tail or 695 00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:57,480 for some other reason? 696 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, I wasn't looking. My 697 00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:06,280 mind was still looking at like its shoulders and it's 698 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,239 like its head. I didn't even bother look at its 699 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,360 tail after I got out of the lights. I didn't 700 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:21,440 see one. I don't think there was one, but I'm 701 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,840 gonna be honestly, I wasn't looking at its tail. If 702 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,280 it had one. 703 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 2: Well, like I said, no harm, no foul. I mean, 704 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,079 you're just trying to hold it together, just taking it 705 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,320 all in so I understand after it took that step 706 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,679 and seemed to be sizing up your hummer. How close 707 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,480 was it to you at that point. 708 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,599 Speaker 1: From the hummer? Ten feet? Probably closer? 709 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,039 Speaker 2: Wow, still really close. 710 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,639 Speaker 1: From the end of the hummer was about ten feet 711 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,719 and the hummer itself was about five feet, so we're 712 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440 probably about like sixteen feet from the actual thing. 713 00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's way too close for comfort. Now that you've 714 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,880 had all this time, Jeff, to sit and reflect on 715 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,119 everything that happened that night, why do you think it 716 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,400 smiled at you the way it did. 717 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: If there's anything I've learned from listening to your shows, 718 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,639 they wanted to get arouse out of either of us 719 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:19,599 or both of us, which it for sure got. I 720 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,800 think from all the research I have done, they like 721 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,079 to get off on fear, or at least the thought 722 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:34,679 of fear. I think these things know they can't be 723 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,440 touched in their own world, and it wouldn't be too 724 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,920 far fetched where they would believe that these things can't 725 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,320 be touched by us. 726 00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,159 Speaker 2: They're definitely cocky that way. So it's good you understand that. 727 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,599 You said that you do keep in touch with the LT, 728 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,079 But have you been keeping in touch with the two 729 00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:57,719 sergeants that were in the back seat. 730 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: I keep in touch one the other one I haven't 731 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,039 spoken to him a whole lot since he and I 732 00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,920 are still very good on a relationship. It's just things 733 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,440 have happened. We've gone our separate ways. If we ever 734 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,719 saw each other on faithbook again, or saw each other 735 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,599 on the streets, we would probably have a handshake, go 736 00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,960 well for a cup of coffee or whatnot, catch up, 737 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,159 go about our super ways. That's how we wore. 738 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 2: Now that you're this far removed from the experience, have 739 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,760 you felled him out to maybe test the waters to 740 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,960 see okay? Well, is it okay to share this experience 741 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,320 with him? 742 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:35,559 Speaker 1: Now? 743 00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,599 Speaker 2: Have you done anything like that? I have not. Well, 744 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,960 I can understand why. I mean, you're still enlisted. So 745 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:44,800 if you did that and you took it the wrong way, 746 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400 that could really pose some problems for you. So it's 747 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,079 probably a good idea. It's a shame it has to 748 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:54,679 be that way, but it's understandable. How about family members 749 00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:57,880 and friends? Have you broached the topic with anyone like that? 750 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,519 Speaker 1: I've only told my life. 751 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 2: Oh you did? How did she respond? 752 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: She knows there's things out there, She has that kind 753 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,719 of belief, and when I told her about the encounter, 754 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,159 from my judgment of her, she seemed it sounds like 755 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,840 she did believe me. She's asked me if I've been 756 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,400 okay being in the woods on my own a couple 757 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,719 of times since then. She's even ask me if I've 758 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,880 been okay, you know, being on patrol, because there's been 759 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,239 instances what I've had not exactly an encounter, but like 760 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,039 I've had to talk to people about an encounter of something, 761 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,639 and she's asking me if I've been okay, And usually 762 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,039 I have to tell her I'm good. I usually am 763 00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,920 for the most part. But she's taken it very nicely. 764 00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 2: Sounds like you have a great wife. You're a lucky man. 765 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,679 Speaker 1: I do, yes. Was her seventh anniversary. 766 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 2: Wow, congrats, thank you, well, you're welcome. You mentioned that 767 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,320 you've had to speak with other people about quote unquote experiences, 768 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,840 what kind of experiences. 769 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,800 Speaker 1: There was one instance when I got a call to 770 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:18,119 a house on our northeast side. Well, it was a 771 00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:23,000 little farther of the outskirts of the city, and I 772 00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:27,000 got there the scene had already been concluded, so I 773 00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,679 went over there for just a what we call a 774 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,920 health and welfare check, and I asked her, and I'm like, hey, 775 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,320 would you I know you read talked to him. Would 776 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,559 you mind just catching me up? It's like, if there's 777 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,159 anything I can help you with, you know, I might 778 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:45,480 be able to And she gave me a description of nothing. 779 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,840 It wouldn't sound like a dog man to me. It 780 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,599 sounds more bigfoot like, which is even more stunning given 781 00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:55,360 where we live. But everything that she told me in 782 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,760 the way how she told me resonated of someone who 783 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,559 was terrified belief. 784 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,519 Speaker 2: Well, that's great that you spoke with her about it. 785 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,800 Did you try to console her or just collect data? 786 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: I tried to console her a little bit. I couldn't 787 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,159 really give her information about this given to I had 788 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:15,920 to keep a professional and I was on body cam 789 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,880 at that point in time. But I tried to let 790 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,159 her know, like, hey, you need anything, you know, give 791 00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:25,199 my number a call. I'm not very far away. I 792 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,159 will come and help you out anyway ship before I can. 793 00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:31,719 And she's been fine and she's never had an incident since. 794 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,639 But she's called me once to come back to do 795 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:42,320 a quick investigation of her area because she was explaining 796 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,000 that there was broken door like her door to her 797 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:51,320 like her, She like a large backyard barn, and she 798 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,000 said the door hadn't broken right off, And I didn't 799 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,360 think much about it. You know, I could break a 800 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,559 door off, a door, a barn door, And once I 801 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,159 saw the barn door myself, I was like, Okay, I 802 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:08,760 could not do this. This is a big guy or 803 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,679 a big boy right here. 804 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sure it's not lost on you. The Sasquatch 805 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,559 do things like that, so it just might be what 806 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:15,960 it was. 807 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,039 Speaker 1: I've never seen a track, I've never seen any kind 808 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:25,920 of evidence to point out that it was that. Would 809 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,559 it surprise me? Not one bit, not after what I've seen. 810 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,039 Speaker 2: Oh, I bet. And I'm sure you had to be 811 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,000 busting at the seams to want to tell her about 812 00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,400 your experience. But like you said, you couldn't do it 813 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,960 for obvious reasons. 814 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:43,800 Speaker 1: Now, I've considered given her a call and just catching up, 815 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,039 but I don't think my wife would like that, so 816 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,039 I haven't done it. 817 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably wouldn't appreciate that. That's a good point. Well, 818 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,840 earlier on Jeff, we talked about the pure normal experience 819 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,519 that frightened you so much. Before we get out of here, 820 00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:58,800 what can you tell us about it? 821 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:05,400 Speaker 1: So I was at a friend's house. I grew up 822 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,920 with very strict parents, but this was around that timeframe 823 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,760 when I was allowed to finally start going out and 824 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,400 like spending night at my friend's house. And unfortunately for me, 825 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:21,760 this house was only about a quarter of mile from 826 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,639 where I lived, so it wasn't that real big of 827 00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,239 a deal. But we, me and my friend, we were 828 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,679 just playing Xbox. We weren't doing too much about anything, 829 00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,559 and I remember I had to go to the restroom. 830 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,559 So I got up, got outside the door, and I 831 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,199 went and I walked on the hallway and as I 832 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,199 got to the bathroom door. Mind you this it was 833 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,760 just me and him in the house. We were playing 834 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,039 video games. We had just ordered pizza. Nobody's in the 835 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:56,880 house with me and him. His parents, his sister, and 836 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,920 their aunt had all going out, gone out to go 837 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,679 to a movie. And you never just stay back. I 838 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,519 reached for the door and the doors slammed on me, 839 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:11,320 and it took me back, and I wasn't thinking about 840 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,039 much of it. And again, I gotta go to the restroom. 841 00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,440 So I tried to open a door and it wouldn't open, 842 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,280 so I kind of gave up on it, and I 843 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:28,159 turned around and there's this large figure, like a very 844 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,960 tall figure. His head was touching the the top of 845 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,360 the roof where he was living, and it was roughly 846 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,639 about ten to twelve feet from top to bottom, and 847 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:44,079 it was just all black shadow looking right at me. 848 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,760 And as I had seen that, I froze for a second. 849 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,440 And next thing, you know, it just rushes right at 850 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,760 me and I turn around and I put a hole 851 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,880 inside my friend's parents door by running through it. 852 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:04,679 Speaker 2: Wow. 853 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: After that, he asked me what was wrong, and I 854 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,239 told him what happened. He's like, I've seen it too, 855 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,079 And we put a deck fox back into my backpack 856 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,119 and we haul it back to my house and we 857 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,400 don't turn around. Next thing, you know, we get a 858 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,760 call from his parents saying, why is there door a 859 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,800 hole in the door. We explained what happened, and they're like, okay, 860 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,440 it's not just us. We gotta get the house blessed. 861 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 2: Wow. That's awfully freaky. Yeah, I can understand why you 862 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,840 said it was such a frightening experience. Was that figure 863 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,800 robust and build or slender. 864 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,760 Speaker 1: Slender like look like the thing the thing that had 865 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,480 never eaten a hamburger in his life. I thought flon 866 00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:50,880 there was. 867 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, Jeff, do you know much about cryptids? 868 00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:57,760 Speaker 1: I know a bit. I'm not. I wouldnt say I'm 869 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,320 no expert, but I know a bit well. 870 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 2: The way you described it sure makes it sound like 871 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,079 it might have been a slender man. 872 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,159 Speaker 1: I have heard about that. 873 00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,559 Speaker 2: It does make you wonder. Well before we get out, 874 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,400 if you're do you have any clothes in comments you'd 875 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:12,920 like to share? 876 00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,559 Speaker 1: So what I did learn about the dog man itself? 877 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:23,880 In Louisiana, it has a name. It's called the Rugaroo, 878 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,119 very prominent. They even have a whole theat for it. 879 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,519 They even have a roller coaster ride for it. But 880 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:39,320 that's where the thing came from. They call it the 881 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,400 Cajun werewolf kind of came from the name called Loup Garou. 882 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,239 Very interesting. There's a bunch of things to kind of 883 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,559 avoid it. There's even a curse that comes with it. 884 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,039 Apparently I wasn't struck with it. I don't hope that god. 885 00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:58,320 Neither one of my supervisors were either. But I cannot 886 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,559 count the thirteen apparently. But with that being said, that's 887 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,519 kind of like the one thing I got out of 888 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,760 this encounter was I got to learn more about it 889 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,039 and more along with more dog Man. 890 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,199 Speaker 2: You definitely got an education on it, unfortunately. Well, Jeff, 891 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,119 I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing 892 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,360 the details of that experience with this. I really appreciate it, 893 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,760 of course, and down the road, if you do start 894 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,559 to have trouble with that experience, by all means, please 895 00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:29,679 let me know because I'll be here for you. 896 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. 897 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 2: Oh, you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and 898 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,199 have a great night. 899 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:00,960 Speaker 1: Come