Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen? What help? Welcome to the Occult
Speaker 2: Rejects tonight. We got a returning guest, a fan favorite,
Speaker 2: somebody that I've been asked actually to have on multiple times,
Speaker 2: and even people on the show are like, yo, you
Speaker 2: got to get that dude on again if we got
Speaker 2: to earn it from Virginia's for conspiracy lovers well before
Speaker 2: we get to him and introduced the other rejects with
Speaker 2: us tonight, and we got Julia returning. What is up again? Julia?
Speaker 2: How are you? It's great to see you back on again.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Nick. Yeah, I think we talked
Speaker 3: about the Nights of the Golden Circle or something like
Speaker 3: that last time. Really super interesting topic and I can't
Speaker 3: wait to get into Shakespeare tonight. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, of course, of course, I actually
Speaker 2: like this would be great for you Withlip and Ethan
Speaker 2: my man, sir, What is going on? How are you?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 2: Julia?
Speaker 1: Great to see you as always, Thank you Nick for
Speaker 1: putting everything together. Ernie, It's great to meet you. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about this. A lot of conspiratorial threads connect to Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: So it's a great, great topic of discussion. Ethan Ingo Smith.
Speaker 1: On all the social media, I can be easily found,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate people reaching out and communicating. And I
Speaker 1: have written a few books and write articles frequently. I
Speaker 1: got a tichi article coming out soon if I can
Speaker 1: get it together in a little video to sharing some instructions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, appreciate everybody.
Speaker 2: Cool, nice, make it happen. Yeah, before we introduced Ernie,
Speaker 2: it's probably more for the people might catch this a
Speaker 2: lot because this episode will drop on audio to the fact.
Speaker 2: But if you happy to be in Arizona, well more,
Speaker 2: I guess like kind of hope by Scottsdale or Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 2: Me and Headless will be out there December fifth to
Speaker 2: the seventh. We were blessed with three three tickets to
Speaker 2: go to this quest for Ancient Civilizations, so I figured,
Speaker 2: fuck it when I go. It's a three day event
Speaker 2: over yeah, over in Scottsdal, Arizona. Not saying to go
Speaker 2: check it out, that you know to come to the event,
Speaker 2: but if you're in the area and you actually want
Speaker 2: to meet up or anything, I'm sure we'll be around
Speaker 2: after the factor. I mean or if this stuff interests you, uh,
Speaker 2: definitely check it out. Maybe I'll include like the the
Speaker 2: link for it in the show after the fact. But yeah,
Speaker 2: anybody in the area, hit us up those three days,
Speaker 2: will be around, will come come out, get your fucking
Speaker 2: stoned chill. So yeah, uh, just put that out there now, Ernie, sir, Please,
Speaker 2: for the people who have not had the pleasure of
Speaker 2: hearing you before, first off, I would like to remind
Speaker 2: that he has done a few shows already, go check
Speaker 2: them out. Definitely fucking rabbit holes. Actually, somebody we were
Speaker 2: making jokes earlier saying that with Julie and him here
Speaker 2: we should be talking about rabbit holes and be holes.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so please Ernie, let everybody know what
Speaker 2: your deal is and who you are.
Speaker 4: So for the new people, yeah, so yeah, Ernie Lebrec,
Speaker 4: I'm me and a buddy do Virginia's for conspiracy lovers
Speaker 4: podcasts anywhere where podcasts are found. We got a YouTube page,
Speaker 4: same name. I did finally change it to where everything's
Speaker 4: all the same names, so you can you can actually
Speaker 4: find us but on Instagram, Facebook and uh and YouTube.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, just a conspiracy nerd that stumbled onto
Speaker 4: some of my own like kind of personal research and
Speaker 4: decided to start doing a podcast that's kind of a
Speaker 4: conspiracy Virginia based because the more from Virginia and the
Speaker 4: more and more I looked into it, it's like all
Speaker 4: roads led back to Virginia with all the scraps. So
Speaker 4: so that's that's where we're at. We've been on hiatus
Speaker 4: for a couple of months because I'm moving this studio
Speaker 4: out of this closet into the into the garage. So
Speaker 4: but we'll be back and we've got some We've got
Speaker 4: some bangers, like in the Hole, so nice. But yeah,
Speaker 4: check us out. Fure Man makes that happen.
Speaker 2: Now. The first show, the last show that you did
Speaker 2: was Yet the Nights of the Golden Circle. The Golden
Speaker 2: Horseshoe was some shit like maybe that came up.
Speaker 4: We did the Golden Horseshoe, Yeah, yeah, which was the
Speaker 4: weird expedition trying to find a pass through the Blue
Speaker 4: Ridge Mountains by Governor Alexander spots Would and my whole life,
Speaker 4: we've all heard the story and it's it's a nothing
Speaker 4: story that you hear. There's a little sign in the
Speaker 4: Blue Ridge Mountains, little little obelisk monument to it. And then,
Speaker 4: of course, like anything in Virginia history, the more you
Speaker 4: the more the deeper you get into it, the more
Speaker 4: it seems weird. And it, in my personal opinion, by
Speaker 4: the end of it, it looked like a a Masonic
Speaker 4: like maybe the first Masonic ritual to take place, like
Speaker 4: kind of officially it happened like seventeen fourteen, just three
Speaker 4: years before, like Masonry's public you know, like kind of
Speaker 4: coming out party, and it's we talked about it. It
Speaker 4: was just a ton of aristocrats on this expedition across
Speaker 4: a mountain to supposedly find the pass through the mountains,
Speaker 4: but they'd already found the pass, and like the guides
Speaker 4: that took them were the rangers, were the ones who
Speaker 4: had already found the pass through the Blue Ridge. And
Speaker 4: then they get over the Blue Ridge and they named
Speaker 4: the Shenandoah River the Euphrates, and then they crossed the
Speaker 4: Euphrates and have this big like party, and just all
Speaker 4: the different people on the expedition were just super glowy
Speaker 4: Jacobites and Huguenots and Masons and first kind of Virginia families,
Speaker 4: and then there was this whole presenting of these guys
Speaker 4: when they came back with these golden horseshoe pins that
Speaker 4: had jewels in them, and different jewels for different guys.
Speaker 4: And the guy the only real account that we have
Speaker 4: of it is and I can't remember the guy's name now,
Speaker 4: but that guy was crazy, crazy, interesting Huguenot from Ireland
Speaker 4: who ended up marrying a woman named Mary Magdalen. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it's go back and listen to that one. It's it's weird, man,
Speaker 4: It's it's.
Speaker 2: I remember you. I remember. There was a lot to it,
Speaker 2: Like I felt like there was like a lot of
Speaker 2: different things.
Speaker 4: Wait, do you waity this nonsense?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna awesome listop at you? All right. So I
Speaker 2: guess unless anybody's got it something to ask you or whatever,
Speaker 2: I guess maybe you could just started off all right,
Speaker 2: Oh what made you even come across this? If you
Speaker 2: don't mind me asking. It was just like something you
Speaker 2: stumble the cross and you're like, oh there's something here, or.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah. So I, like I've said before, my
Speaker 4: my personal research is based on Williamsburg. I was born
Speaker 4: and raised in good old colonial Williamsburg in the shadow
Speaker 4: of campus of William and Mary and about seven or
Speaker 4: eight years ago, I kind of stumbled into I'd probably
Speaker 4: watched National Treasure the Da Vinci Code too recently, and
Speaker 4: happened to be down buying a gift for some buddy
Speaker 4: in Colonial Williamsburg and noticed a to the two oldest
Speaker 4: roads in the country, Jamestown Road and Richmond Road, which
Speaker 4: kind of create the Historic Campus. They come to a
Speaker 4: point like a triangle, and I think that I saw
Speaker 4: that and I was like, oh, I got to look
Speaker 4: at this on Google Earth. And then that opened up
Speaker 4: a ton of stuff to the point where I took
Speaker 4: my research to the director of the Historic Campus and
Speaker 4: they were kind of blown away, and I started, you know,
Speaker 4: digging into it, and it gets weirder and weirder, and
Speaker 4: you eat thinking that I was kind of too dumb
Speaker 4: to have figured this stuff out myself, and so I
Speaker 4: just kept trying to prove myself wrong. And the more
Speaker 4: I dug to prove myself wrong, the more crap I found.
Speaker 4: And then I started to find some things that were
Speaker 4: absolutely undeniable, Like I shared on one of the episodes
Speaker 4: with you guys, the incode of the Great Pyramid of
Speaker 4: Giza on that triangle of land that also points directly
Speaker 4: to the Great Pyramid of Giza and is the exact
Speaker 4: sit So there's all that. So all my personal research
Speaker 4: does kind of I say it revolves around Williamsburg and Virginia,
Speaker 4: but because of that, that means it revolves around everything.
Speaker 4: The beginning of masonry in this country Francis Bacon, and
Speaker 4: then from there it just keeps going back and back
Speaker 4: and back and forward and forward and forward. And so
Speaker 4: for this one, because I lived in Williamsburg and my
Speaker 4: mom is a big Shakespeare nerd herself, I've been getting
Speaker 4: dragged to Shakespeare plays a year since I was nine
Speaker 4: years old. So I've seen everything that the entire Shakespeare
Speaker 4: cannon in every format you could think of. William and
Speaker 4: Mary has one of the largest Shakespeare festivals in the country,
Speaker 4: the Virginia Shakespeare Festival at William and Mary and put
Speaker 4: put together in the Phi Beta Kappa Hall. So I've
Speaker 4: seen everything from Taming of the Shrew adapted to nineteen
Speaker 4: twenties like Cuban Cuban beach style, you know, like traditional
Speaker 4: plays and everything in between. And when I was nine,
Speaker 4: I couldn't stay you know, I had no idea what
Speaker 4: they were saying. What was happening. But the you know,
Speaker 4: the the older I got, I kind of learned to
Speaker 4: speak the language of Shakespeare and really kind of fell
Speaker 4: in love with the plays. And so really one of
Speaker 4: the first things that got me into kind of the
Speaker 4: conspiracy world was the Shakespeare authorship question. And just to
Speaker 4: skip over all the because I've got a lot of
Speaker 4: crap here, but we're in the conspiracy world, so I
Speaker 4: don't believe that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, and we can kind
Speaker 4: of skip all that. I'm part of the camp that
Speaker 4: believes Francis Bacon is Shakespeare, and for me a little differently,
Speaker 4: I'm not a total Baconian. I think it was more
Speaker 4: Francis Bacon by committee. He had a literary society called
Speaker 4: the Society of the Helmet, who just so happened to
Speaker 4: contain like all the members were all the different people
Speaker 4: that people put forward as possible shapes Shakespeare authors. So
Speaker 4: seventeenth Earl of Oxford, the Countess of Penbroke, Sir Walter Raleigh,
Speaker 4: William Stratchey, who will play an important role in this research.
Speaker 4: So all these guys that they've put forward that could
Speaker 4: be the alternative to who wrote the Shakespeare plays were
Speaker 4: part of Francis Akeen's literary society called the Society the Helmet,
Speaker 4: named after their patron muse Athena, because she wore a
Speaker 4: helmet and was known to shake her spear in her
Speaker 4: sphere of knowledge in the face of the beast of ignorance. Right,
Speaker 4: and then just so happens that a man obsessed with
Speaker 4: Francis Bacon, a Williamsburg legend mentor to Thomas Jefferson, is
Speaker 4: the man who created what I think is the best
Speaker 4: state flag in the Union. It's the only flag with
Speaker 4: a booby on it. And that's actually he was obsessed
Speaker 4: with Francis Bacon. His name was George with Like I said,
Speaker 4: he was the He was Thomas Jefferson's mentor. He was
Speaker 4: the reason that Thomas Jefferson became obsessed with Francis Bacon
Speaker 4: his whole life. And that is actually Athena wearing her
Speaker 4: helmet and holding her spear. That's kind of neither here
Speaker 4: nor there, but I forgot that.
Speaker 2: I just want to mention real quick, and I mentioned
Speaker 2: this a lot of times. I'm just using any excuse
Speaker 2: to mention it again. The woman's nipple hanging out that uh,
Speaker 2: you know in the Knox formula Crowley's Knox formula. At
Speaker 2: some point you you're supposed to be isis like feeding
Speaker 2: breastfeeding horse, and you will like you'll make it look
Speaker 2: like you're holding a baby and grabbing your nipple. There
Speaker 2: is a relationship between the nipple and the child. The
Speaker 2: when the child latches its mouth onto the nipple, the
Speaker 2: mother's pineal gland will tell the child where it is,
Speaker 2: the time season, you know, where it is even on
Speaker 2: the planet, what up and down hold is. So I
Speaker 2: mean there is actually a very weird, interesting, uh, penal
Speaker 2: gland to penal gland conversation going on just from breastfeeding.
Speaker 2: So sometimes I wonder if that has anything to do
Speaker 2: with some cult science.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's got to even if they didn't know
Speaker 4: it that deeply, Yeah, they knew that there was that
Speaker 4: connection since the beginning of time there So I said,
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to get into that whole thing. But
Speaker 4: Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare. His name wasn't even Shakespeare's name
Speaker 4: was shagspar And there's no evidence that he was literate
Speaker 4: or you know, went to school past the fourth grade.
Speaker 4: The only thing we have of him is his signature
Speaker 4: on like seven different documents. They're all legal documents and
Speaker 4: his will because he was kind of a douchebag and
Speaker 4: cheating people out of stuff a lot, and so he's
Speaker 4: always getting drug into court. And all these signatures are
Speaker 4: spelled differently and in different handwriting, So that probably points
Speaker 4: to the fact that whoever the other lawyer was or
Speaker 4: the judge was the one who signed his name to it.
Speaker 4: So we don't even know that Shakespeare or the guy
Speaker 4: that they attribute Shakespeare to even was literate. He didn't
Speaker 4: own a book that we can tell in his will,
Speaker 4: he doesn't leave any books papers. There's never been a
Speaker 4: letter written to him or from that anybody's ever found.
Speaker 4: The guy wasn't Shakespeare. Bacon with Shakespeare. So that being said,
Speaker 4: I got obsessed with this book here, which is this
Speaker 4: gigantic tone that I paid a bunch of money for.
Speaker 4: It's an effect simile of the first folio of Shakespeare,
Speaker 4: the sixteen twenty three that was put together. It's exactly
Speaker 4: how it came out in sixteen twenty three. It's just
Speaker 4: on a new paper and basically took a historic copy
Speaker 4: and from one of the museums and photo copied every
Speaker 4: single page. So it's exactly the way that came out
Speaker 4: the very first folio. So I get into Shakespeare, I
Speaker 4: get into the first folio and some of the weird
Speaker 4: things that go on with that. Of course that leads
Speaker 4: leads me to Bacon. And then once you get into Bacon,
Speaker 4: you obviously you end up down the road of Bacon
Speaker 4: created Mason raes by way of Rosicrucianism. You find out
Speaker 4: that that the Masons actually claim Shakespeare and Francis Bacon
Speaker 4: as kind of founding architects, if you will. And then
Speaker 4: when you the further you get into masonry, you start
Speaker 4: to if you dig back from masonry modern day masonry,
Speaker 4: you eventually fall back into the Stewart the Stewart dynasty,
Speaker 4: and that leads you back if you follow the uh,
Speaker 4: maternal side of that family all the way back, it
Speaker 4: ds you. It brings you all the way back to
Speaker 4: the Mayravngians of Dan Brown fame. And really my my
Speaker 4: overall thesis of of my research now is that America
Speaker 4: was beguying As and Virginia in particular as a breakaway
Speaker 4: civilization for the Stuart dynasty. I think it was facilitated
Speaker 4: and designed by Francis Bacon. And then it has been
Speaker 4: managed and stewarded by the Scottish rite of freemasonry, sort
Speaker 4: of a thinly veiled alternative to the monarchy that they were.
Speaker 4: But they could see the writing on the wall that
Speaker 4: their monarchy, their reign as monarchs in England, Scotland and Ireland,
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna last long. The Stuart reign was only about
Speaker 4: one hundred years, and I mean they were deposed several times,
Speaker 4: kicked off the throne, brought back in, killed, They ran,
Speaker 4: They ran the gamut and right at the very beginning
Speaker 4: of that dynasty, Francis Bacon working for King James the first,
Speaker 4: the first Stuart monarch, right at the beginning of that,
Speaker 4: they create the Virginia Company of London and start exploring
Speaker 4: the new world, Virginia in particular. And I think that
Speaker 4: was I really. The more and more I get into
Speaker 4: this stuff, the more I think that America maybe still
Speaker 4: but definitely its beginnings were kind of a breakaway place
Speaker 4: for the Stewart kind of ideal and this divine right
Speaker 4: of kings MAYRAVNGI and bloodline idea, which I don't necessarily
Speaker 4: believe that they have any special bloodline, but like any
Speaker 4: other you know, monarchy, kind of bloodline. I think that
Speaker 4: this Christ's bloodline, divine right of kings was a story
Speaker 4: that they used, whether they believed it or not, to
Speaker 4: kind of imbue their their dynasty with importance. And I
Speaker 4: think they saw the right on the wall and decided
Speaker 4: the New World was the place to keep that power
Speaker 4: and that control structure going and just do it with
Speaker 4: a different with a different face on it. And I think,
Speaker 4: right then is where you see America come up and
Speaker 4: masonry come up at the same time, and the monarchy
Speaker 4: drop off. But then you look at the Scottish right
Speaker 4: freemasonry and it is I'm about to show you it's it.
Speaker 4: Scottish right freemasonry connects Kabbala, this book right here, the
Speaker 4: sixteen eleven King James, Bible, and am I missing something
Speaker 4: that's in Francis Bacon all together? So first off, this
Speaker 4: first Folio is structured like an initiatory ladder and not
Speaker 4: like any of the kind of anthologies of its time.
Speaker 4: The First Folio, I'm sorry, yeah, the First Folio first
Speaker 4: book in English history to divide dramatic works into three
Speaker 4: distinct sections, comedies, histories, and tragedies. But it is identical
Speaker 4: logic to an initiatory system, in the three steps there
Speaker 4: being purification, advancement, and mastery slash sacrifice, exactly like a
Speaker 4: degree system, but published nearly a century before the Scottish
Speaker 4: writes thirty three or thirty three degree system. So if
Speaker 4: Masonry borrowed from Shakespeare, how did Shakespeare already arrange his canon?
Speaker 4: And really not Shakespeare because he didn't exist. But the
Speaker 4: people who are who did arrange the first folio of Shakespeare?
Speaker 4: How do they arrange it in a multi stage initiation
Speaker 4: kind of system. So the sequence of the plays in
Speaker 4: the folio kind of mirror that ladder of like esoteric order.
Speaker 4: You've got the Tempest, which is an initiation. I've got
Speaker 4: a good friend, Robert Frederick. He has a great podcast
Speaker 4: called The Hidden Life is Best. He just became on
Speaker 4: a whim, a Bacon scholar, and now he digs into
Speaker 4: all the Shakespeare works and he just picks them apart
Speaker 4: and each i mean two three hour episodes, each one
Speaker 4: on a different play, and they're incredible. And so actually
Speaker 4: what got me onto this particular track was I was
Speaker 4: doing a podcast with him and uh, he had just
Speaker 4: he did The Tempest on my suggestion because he had
Speaker 4: done Romeo and Juliet, I think as you like it, Macbeth.
Speaker 4: And he pulled all these Masonic principles out of there
Speaker 4: and really showed how they were, you know, almost undeniably
Speaker 4: written by a Rosicrucian for that specific purpose. And he
Speaker 4: was asking which one I thought he should do next,
Speaker 4: and I was like, the tempest, and the tempest is
Speaker 4: near and dear to my heart. Because living in Virginia,
Speaker 4: not a ton of people know this, but you know,
Speaker 4: sixteen oh seven they sent John Smith and the whole
Speaker 4: crew over here, and that whole Pocahontas trip happened, right,
Speaker 4: And but they kept dying, They kept getting mrked by
Speaker 4: the natives and starving and eating each other. In sixteen
Speaker 4: oh eight they sent another supply mission over. They eat
Speaker 4: all that food, they're all dying out again. So then
Speaker 4: Francis Bacon takes it upon himself and mounts a massive
Speaker 4: supply mission, which is nine ships sent from sent from
Speaker 4: Plymouth over like six hundred people. They hit a This
Speaker 4: is in sixteen oh nine, they hit a hurricane right
Speaker 4: around Bermuda, and everybody survives except for two small two
Speaker 4: small ships. And that's a whole another route of research
Speaker 4: that I'm doing as well, which was some pretty interesting stuff.
Speaker 4: But it's a rabbit hole. So two ships disappear forever.
Speaker 4: Six ships make it to the Yeah, six ships make
Speaker 4: it right away to pretty much right away to Jamestown
Speaker 4: to resupply. And during the hurricane, the largest of the
Speaker 4: ships crash lands on Bermuda. Purposely, they they shipwrecked themselves
Speaker 4: to avoid the storm, and about one hundred people on
Speaker 4: that I believe it was about one hundred people were
Speaker 4: on that ship, and they disembarked live on Bermuda for
Speaker 4: a full year. While they're on Bermuda, they take apart
Speaker 4: the old ship, build two new ships, and by sixteen
Speaker 4: ten they set sail again and they make it over
Speaker 4: to Jamestown. And once they get to Jamestown, one of
Speaker 4: the guys who was at Bermuda on the crash landing,
Speaker 4: this guy named William Strakeye. William Strakey just happens to
Speaker 4: be one of those guys who is in Francis Bacon's
Speaker 4: Literary Society. He gets to Jamestown, he writes a full
Speaker 4: report of everything that happens that happened for the year
Speaker 4: on Bermuda, and he sends it to Francis Bacon's new wife,
Speaker 4: and in sixteen eleven, William Shakespeare, or under the name
Speaker 4: William Shakespeare, a play is published called The Tempest, and
Speaker 4: it's all about a crash landing. I mean there's even
Speaker 4: like six names that are used as six characters in
Speaker 4: the play have names that are like, if the guy's
Speaker 4: name was John, it would be Ron. I mean they're
Speaker 4: that close. It's it's ridiculous. The play The Tempest is
Speaker 4: about the crash landing number MUDA that was headed to Virginia.
Speaker 4: But it is one hundred percent when you break it down,
Speaker 4: it is an absolute first initiation into a mystery. It's
Speaker 4: it's kind of the crappiest of Shakespeare's plays, I think.
Speaker 4: And so you have one of Bacon's buddies writes the
Speaker 4: Report of what Happened in sixteen ten, and in sixteen eleven,
Speaker 4: that is the last play that this Shakespeare guy ever writes.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: The weird thing is is that it appears first ten
Speaker 4: years ten to fifteen years later in the sixteen twenty
Speaker 4: three first folio of Shakespeare, right, thirty six plays and
Speaker 4: the very last one that he wrote, and arguably kind
Speaker 4: of the weirdest and kind of off it's like Shakespeare's
Speaker 4: Twin Peaks. It's it's it's very strange that gets that
Speaker 4: gets uh, it's first in the folio. So let's see
Speaker 4: if I've lost me where I was going next, but
Speaker 4: I might not have Okay, here we go, all right,
Speaker 4: talk amongst yourselves. Okay, So sixteen twenty three, the first
Speaker 4: folio goes out. Oh that's right. So while I'm talking
Speaker 4: to Robert Frederick, this Bacon scholar, he's talking about the Tempest,
Speaker 4: and he drops it on me that it's an initiation.
Speaker 4: It's allegory. The entire Tempest, first play in the folio
Speaker 4: of Shakespeare is an initiation allegory. And I started thinking
Speaker 4: back to my own personal Shakespeare knowledge, and I know
Speaker 4: that there's thirty six plays, and I go, will dang
Speaker 4: if that's the first If that's the first degree of freemasonry,
Speaker 4: the Tempest. There's thirty six plays in Shakespeare. And while
Speaker 4: he's like talking, I'm literally pulling up other windows and
Speaker 4: going through and looking, because I know that there's several
Speaker 4: plays of Shakespeare's that are have two and one of
Speaker 4: them has three parts. So as I can wonder if
Speaker 4: I put the plays together that have more than one part,
Speaker 4: into one play, which is what they were. They were
Speaker 4: just published separately because they were very long plays and
Speaker 4: performed separately. If I mash those down, what number would
Speaker 4: I get? And of course I get thirty three plays.
Speaker 4: So I spend the last two months picking through the
Speaker 4: plays as best that I can and lining them up
Speaker 4: in the order they are in this book. To the
Speaker 4: thirty three degrees of Scottish righte Freemasonry, which seems off
Speaker 4: because Scottish righte masonry doesn't come around until the seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 4: But if you actually look into the history, depending on
Speaker 4: how far you take it back, I know, for at
Speaker 4: least for me, that in Edinburgh there was a lodge
Speaker 4: in well, let's see here what's referred to as proto
Speaker 4: Scottish right freemasonries, and the theory is that it existed
Speaker 4: between fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred that early, so just
Speaker 4: you know, just before the first Stuart King. So a
Speaker 4: guy named William Shaw or there was something that came
Speaker 4: out called the William Shaw Statutes between fifteen ninety eight
Speaker 4: and fifteen ninety nine, and it established a set of
Speaker 4: regulations for Scottish Masons that look more like mystical guild
Speaker 4: laws than operative rules. Shaw refers to masters of the
Speaker 4: lodge and wardens in the same way that they use
Speaker 4: master and warden in the operative the speculative masonry lodges.
Speaker 4: Now there's an unusual wave of esoteric hermetic resicrution activity
Speaker 4: in Europe between fifteen eighty and sixteen twenty. Bruno d
Speaker 4: Flood Bacon and the earliest known non operative or symbolic
Speaker 4: Masons appear in Scotland before sixteen hundred, and we know
Speaker 4: that I think it was fifteen ninety eight. King James
Speaker 4: the First, who becomes the first Stuart King, was initiated
Speaker 4: into that Edinburgh Scottish Lodge. So there is a precedent
Speaker 4: that masonry was going on in at least Scotland for sure,
Speaker 4: much earlier. And I believe that through the mayor Benjian
Speaker 4: line and these different monarchies with these this divine right
Speaker 4: to rule kind of ethos, I believe that they were
Speaker 4: practicing these kind of ancient mystery schools in one way
Speaker 4: or another all the way back to the Mayor of
Speaker 4: Vingie and and and probably much further depending on when
Speaker 4: it was adopted from their buddy.
Speaker 3: I get a question really quick about that? Actually, yeah,
Speaker 3: because I know that I know that the Mayor of
Speaker 3: Vngians play a part in like the Shakespeare thing. But
Speaker 3: is Francis Bacon supposed to be from like the mayor
Speaker 3: of Vingian bloodline or something? Is that or wrong?
Speaker 4: It depends on how you look at that history, which
Speaker 4: is super murky. Francis Bacon was basically raised by Queen Elizabeth,
Speaker 4: the first Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: Was Q.
Speaker 4: So there's also speculation that Francis Bacon was the illegitimate
Speaker 4: son of Queen Elizabeth. So after Queen Elizabeth becomes the
Speaker 4: Queen in the about six months before Francis Bacon is
Speaker 4: born to her, Lord Keeper of the Seal, some people,
Speaker 4: it's on record that some folks went to see Queen
Speaker 4: Elizabeth at court and then came back, and subsequently a
Speaker 4: few weeks after they came back to their fiftoms and whatever,
Speaker 4: they got their tongues cut out, and they got hung
Speaker 4: and they got their heads cut off. Because there's a
Speaker 4: rumor that they were spreading around that I just went
Speaker 4: and saw the queen, and I don't think she's a
Speaker 4: virgin queen anymore because a bit she looks pregnant, right,
Speaker 4: and so it's on record. These people who you know,
Speaker 4: got got merked because they were spreading this rumor about
Speaker 4: the infidelity of the Queen. Well Francis Bacon is born
Speaker 4: to sit I can't remember his dad's name, but he
Speaker 4: was the lord keeper of the Seal four Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 4: like top advisor, and immediately upon his birth he has
Speaker 4: moved into the court. The baby he is educated by
Speaker 4: the Crown and then put through either Cambridge or Oxford
Speaker 4: and then on to Gray's End to learn law and
Speaker 4: then immediately becomes part of the court and starts taking
Speaker 4: on advisory roles and things like that with Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 4: Now Queen Elizabeth's mom was Anne Boleyn. Anne Berlin was
Speaker 4: the chick that King Henry the eighth stopped Catholicism in
Speaker 4: England for so King Henry the Eighth was married to
Speaker 4: Catherine of it always sounds like a Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 4: It's Spain, but Queen Catherine was King Henry the Eighth's wife.
Speaker 4: She couldn't give him any kids, so he wanted a divorcer.
Speaker 4: He went to the Pope and was like, Pope, can
Speaker 4: I please get it a divorce and the Pope said no,
Speaker 4: and that's where the big schism in the split in
Speaker 4: England comes in. And so King Henry the Eighth and
Speaker 4: the Bishop of I guess Canterbury create this Anglican Church
Speaker 4: of England thing. And the next chick is an Berlin,
Speaker 4: and Berlin you follow her maternal bloodline back she is Plantagenet,
Speaker 4: and the Plantagenet come from the maternal side of the Merivingians,
Speaker 4: so it goes Marivngian, and then on the maternal side
Speaker 4: of the Maravingian as they die out the Carolinians. So
Speaker 4: you're talking about the Court of Charlemagne. The maternal side
Speaker 4: of the Court of Charlemagne was comes from the Mayor Ofvingians.
Speaker 4: And then the maternal side of the Court of Charlemagne
Speaker 4: creates the plantas a line, and then on up and
Speaker 4: then and it moves right into the Bruces and the Stewarts,
Speaker 4: and and then.
Speaker 3: That's the Megan Markle thing right because she's from Robert
Speaker 3: the Bruce's line, so she's got like they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, he found this really nice black girl, and
Speaker 3: he's going rogue. No he's not, like, he's not going rogue.
Speaker 4: Legitimately, Meghan Markle has a stronger claim to the throne
Speaker 4: if you I mean the Stewarts.
Speaker 5: That's what I've said for years, the Stuarts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Stuarts had a stronger claim to the throne
Speaker 4: before Queen Elizabeth. So when he got the divorce from
Speaker 4: Catherine Mary Queen of Scott's, who was the Queen of
Speaker 4: Scotland at the time, she had a better claim to
Speaker 4: the throne than any of King Henry the Eight's children,
Speaker 4: because all King Henry the Eight's children were their mothers
Speaker 4: were not noble women. They were of no like kind
Speaker 4: of monarch bloodline. But King Henry the Eight's brother, if
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, or his sister, Mary, Queen of Scott's
Speaker 4: is the daughter. He's like the uncle to Mary, Queen
Speaker 4: of Scott's, So Mary, Queen of Scott's had a better
Speaker 4: claim to the throne. But of course they didn't let
Speaker 4: that happen. First, they let Henry the Eight's sickly little
Speaker 4: like young son. He dies, and then bloody Mary becomes
Speaker 4: the queen and she doesn't end up with an air
Speaker 4: and she dies, and then Queen Elizabeth she's like last
Speaker 4: in line. Because I think Anne Boleyn was kind of
Speaker 4: the viewed by the monarchy as the skeasiest of all
Speaker 4: Henry's chicks. And so Elizabeth spent most of her life
Speaker 4: in the Tower of London, like in prison, because Bloody
Speaker 4: Mary was afraid they were going to depose her and
Speaker 4: put Elizabeth in anyway, so Elizabeth doesn't have a strong
Speaker 4: claim to the throne. It's her cousin over in Scotland,
Speaker 4: and Queen Elizabeth when she gets on the throne, she's
Speaker 4: so sketched out that Mary, Queen of Scott's is going
Speaker 4: to take her out and take over the throne that
Speaker 4: she finally has. They come to an agreement and she's like, look,
Speaker 4: if you don't try to kill me and take my
Speaker 4: throne when I die, since I'm the virgin Queen, I'll
Speaker 4: name your son James as my heir, right. So they
Speaker 4: make that agreement and then Queen Elizabeth has Mary, Queen
Speaker 4: of Scott's head cut off. Anyway, But when Queen Elizabeth dies,
Speaker 4: that is when King James the First becomes the King
Speaker 4: of England and thus the first Stewart, and that brings
Speaker 4: in the bruces and the Mayor Vengie implantation and that
Speaker 4: whole line all comes together with the Stewarts, and I.
Speaker 2: Forgot where I was real quick. If you don't mind,
Speaker 2: then I'll say something if you want to look. I
Speaker 2: can't remember even specific, so it might have been my
Speaker 2: Meyer or Michael Mayer, and I can't remember the other people.
Speaker 2: But there was some probably going back a year and
Speaker 2: a half two years ago, there was some certain alchemists
Speaker 2: or occultists that me and me and Lisa had covered
Speaker 2: that were all somehow like showing up around King James,
Speaker 2: which I had like no idea. I never really didn't
Speaker 2: realize how problem it was, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's way too many now to where it's coincidence.
Speaker 4: So so you you definitely have him getting initiated into
Speaker 4: the into the that very early lodge in Scotland, and
Speaker 4: then he was surrounded by the same type of people
Speaker 4: that Queen Elizabeth was. I mean she she's John Dee's chick.
Speaker 4: I mean John d was her like personal kind of
Speaker 4: spiritual advisor, and that is who most likely Francis Bacon
Speaker 4: was tutored. You imagine your your mom is the queen,
Speaker 4: but she's not claiming you as her son. And then
Speaker 4: she's got this you know, the original Double seven spying
Speaker 4: and talking to angel demons to tell her how to
Speaker 4: run the country. And then this little kid kicking around
Speaker 4: the court is getting and there's only there's like no
Speaker 4: letters or evidence that Francis Bacon had any contact or
Speaker 4: anything with John D. But it's so completely obvious by
Speaker 4: their interests and their their their their education that he
Speaker 4: was probably his biggest mentor there's one wood cutting that
Speaker 4: they found and people use it for all kinds of
Speaker 4: like podcasts like thumbnails and whatnot, but it's it's an
Speaker 4: old wizard looking wizard guy who is John D holding
Speaker 4: uh like passing a lantern to a younger man, and
Speaker 4: that they're pretty sure that depicts John D. And and
Speaker 4: to spake, and I think that it's official that the
Speaker 4: old guy is John D. And they don't know who
Speaker 4: the other guy is that he's passing the Enlightenment onto.
Speaker 3: But it's it's so what do you think about Like
Speaker 3: I think Shakespeare could have been you hinted at this
Speaker 3: like a court of people or a council of people
Speaker 3: that Francis Bacon was on there. But they say, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: well Shakespeare wrote the Bible, King James Bible. No, that's
Speaker 3: but it would have been it would have been somebody
Speaker 3: or all of the members of the court, right or yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's the funny thing about the King James Bible.
Speaker 4: And and also remember too that sixteen eleven the Bible
Speaker 4: comes out, and that's the same year that the very
Speaker 4: last Shakespeare play comes out. So it's like off of
Speaker 4: one project and onto the next project. And they'll that'll
Speaker 4: play in when I actually finally get into the meat
Speaker 4: of this stuff. It'll really play into this research the
Speaker 4: Bible with Shakespeare. So it's kind of funny because, as
Speaker 4: I understand it, people say a common myth is that
Speaker 4: Shakespeare wrote the Bible. But they say that because he
Speaker 4: met the Shakespeare guy, because he ran in the same circles,
Speaker 4: may have been a part of the group that historically
Speaker 4: we know that Francis Bacon was the head of that
Speaker 4: wrote the King James Bible for King James. So like
Speaker 4: Francis Bacon was officially what we know of, he was
Speaker 4: the kind of head of the council that was putting
Speaker 4: together the King James Bible. And so people assume Shakespeare
Speaker 4: wrote the King James Bible because he was part of
Speaker 4: that group. But then when you say that Francis Bacon
Speaker 4: might probably wrote Shakespeare because he was part of that group.
Speaker 4: People are like, no, come on this, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean Stratfordians. They're like, that can't be possible, even though
Speaker 4: there's far more, you know, evidence that Francis Bacon may
Speaker 4: have quite quite possibly have been the most brilliant person
Speaker 4: to ever walk the face of the planet.
Speaker 5: I mean, he absolutely, I'm starting to gather that just
Speaker 5: based on, like, you know, doing some of my own
Speaker 5: research about him, and he keeps popping up and shit,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, who.
Speaker 3: Is this dude. He's like fucking obscure kind of Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's everywhere in nowhere.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Yeah, he's I think I
Speaker 4: have a quote here somewhere. I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 4: but it was a really great Shakespeare and Bacon quote.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Francis Bacon in his time, somebody had had
Speaker 4: said that Francis Bacon, by the age of twelve, had
Speaker 4: already read everything in print. He spoke like four or
Speaker 4: five languages by that age. By fifteen, he was at
Speaker 4: either Oxford or Cambridge, I can't remember which one, going
Speaker 4: to college. By sixteen he quit because he was bored
Speaker 4: and by like I'm sorry, maybe fourteen he was there.
Speaker 4: By fifteen he quit, and then by sixteen he was
Speaker 4: back teaching. So he was teaching at one of those
Speaker 4: two prestigious schools when he was barely just a teenager,
Speaker 4: you know, and then moves on to Gray's Inn, becomes
Speaker 4: a great lawyer. And then it is in the court
Speaker 4: not only that he was doing the same things that
Speaker 4: John d was, and that he was he had a
Speaker 4: big hand in Elizabeth's kind of spy network. He was
Speaker 4: writing tons of ciphers and mathematics and cryptology and doing it.
Speaker 4: I mean, he created the scientific method. He was he
Speaker 4: was absolutely brilliant. I mean, there's definitely evidence that he
Speaker 4: was a polymath and he could have written plays and
Speaker 4: done impossible math work. And but did that person just
Speaker 4: say they were bored before sixteen? Oh okay, this through me.
Speaker 6: I thought she was bored with no, no, no, no, anyway,
Speaker 6: I should probably get into the actual because I've been
Speaker 6: rambling for like an hour and it's I haven't even
Speaker 6: gotten into it yet.
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 4: All right, all right, all right, right, So the whole
Speaker 4: tempest thing got me interested. I found the connection there
Speaker 4: with the thirty three, the thirty three degrees of Freemasonry,
Speaker 4: And so I plotted them all out and mapped them
Speaker 4: all out, and I'm just gonna go. What I found
Speaker 4: was they were exact. Every single degree explains every single play,
Speaker 4: and every single play has elements of every single one
Speaker 4: of its corresponding degrees. And it's it's eerily so you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's one thing I want to mention too, like
Speaker 2: this times you know this, This is really interesting that
Speaker 2: you're saying this. I would even wonder about some of
Speaker 2: these in orders because could those be other books or something,
Speaker 2: because there's been times of me me and the first
Speaker 2: I think luck was with him. We had covered I
Speaker 2: think quats Cold and a couple of in orders.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Since and they will mention Shakespeare sometimes.
Speaker 4: They claim him as as their own. I mean, he
Speaker 4: becomes part of that lord like Hiram Abiff, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we all know that there wasn't
Speaker 4: actually a guy named Hiram Abif, but it it it
Speaker 4: explains some part of their of their story, and it's
Speaker 4: kind of the same as that Maravngian, you know, Christ's bloodline,
Speaker 4: like it imbues that monarchy with importance and the more
Speaker 4: folks that they You know, my buddy is Daniel Duke,
Speaker 4: who is the uh great great grandson of the real
Speaker 4: Jesse James. And you know, I asked him if he
Speaker 4: was getting any He's the guy that wrote Jesse James
Speaker 4: and the Lost Templar Treasure, which I know sounds crazy.
Speaker 4: That's why I bought the book, but it's insane. Jesse
Speaker 4: James was part of the Knights of the Golden Circle.
Speaker 4: He was a freeman and his maps that have been
Speaker 4: uncovered match up to all the templar symbolism and whatnot.
Speaker 4: And I asked him, I was like, are you worried,
Speaker 4: you know, you're you know, exposing some of this stuff,
Speaker 4: and he was like, no, no, He's like they loved me, man.
Speaker 4: They did a blurb for the back of my book
Speaker 4: and whatnot. Because these guys added to their brand, it
Speaker 4: doesn't it doesn't hurt them, and they can pick and
Speaker 4: choose and you know, kind of explain to their their
Speaker 4: ad upts who was real and who wasn't, and who
Speaker 4: is who were using as allegory or symbolism and anyway.
Speaker 4: So I map those thirty three degrees to the thirty
Speaker 4: three plays that started off as thirty six, but I
Speaker 4: combined the plays that have more than one part, and
Speaker 4: then that led me to mapping both the degrees and
Speaker 4: the plays onto another thing that I'll get to as
Speaker 4: I as I go through a few of these plays,
Speaker 4: and then that led me to another piece of esotericism
Speaker 4: that maps on to all of them. So this is
Speaker 4: four kind of streams of data that all all come together.
Speaker 4: And stream three and four are Stream three for sure.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody because I can't find it anywhere.
Speaker 4: Nobody's ever mentioned what I'll show you, which is like
Speaker 4: stream three. Now, obviously the Masons have talked about Shakespeare
Speaker 4: being one of their guys. I've even heard it said
Speaker 4: that Shakespeare wrote our our our bylaws. I think a
Speaker 4: Mason has actually said that to me. So that theory
Speaker 4: is out there. I My point with this is to
Speaker 4: kind of show that the framework was already there before. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's all kinds of great uh geometry in the the
Speaker 4: shakespeare first folio, but my point is to kind of
Speaker 4: show that the the framework for masonry was there in
Speaker 4: the Shakespearean place before the Scottish right of freemasonry. And
Speaker 4: so that's the line of succession, because I think a
Speaker 4: lot of people could just look at it and go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: the degrees match up, because obviously, you know, the Scottish
Speaker 4: right came after Shakespeare, and so they thought this was
Speaker 4: a cool book and they took the symbolism out of it,
Speaker 4: but I think they recognized the symbolism that was already
Speaker 4: there anyway. So I'm gonna go through the tempest real quick. First,
Speaker 4: quick summary of the tempest. Prospero, the rightful Duke of
Speaker 4: Milan and master of the magical Arts, use a sorcery
Speaker 4: to shipwreck his usurping brother and others upon his island.
Speaker 4: Through careful through carefully orchestrated illusions, he confronts betrayal, restores harmony,
Speaker 4: and ultimately chooses forgiveness over vengeance. In Masonry, the entered
Speaker 4: apprentice as the first degree, represents initiation, purification, in the
Speaker 4: awakening of latent potential. It symbolizes the beginning of the
Speaker 4: spiritual journey and moving from chaos into ordered understanding and
Speaker 4: entering the island of symbolic instruction. So in the play,
Speaker 4: Prospero functions as the initiator. He guides all the others
Speaker 4: on the island through ordeals, storms illusions tests the character
Speaker 4: much like the candidate, and freemasonry is guided through symbolic storms.
Speaker 4: Ariel performs the role of spiritual messenger, while Caliban embodies
Speaker 4: the unrefined natural man. The apprentice must overcome. The entire
Speaker 4: island becomes an allegorical lodge of transformation. So I read
Speaker 4: those two things together and go, okay, that's one for
Speaker 4: one tempest to the first degree. Right, So then I
Speaker 4: pull out my old trustee um copy of morals and Dogma,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, let me just dig through these
Speaker 4: and see what signs and symbols and things like that
Speaker 4: from each degree might map onto the plays as well. Right,
Speaker 4: So first degree, the entered apprentice, the degree symbols. There
Speaker 4: are a twenty four inch gauge, which is a measurement
Speaker 4: of time, the common gavel for breaking away vices, the
Speaker 4: rough ashlar, which is just a rough stone, and the
Speaker 4: light or the great light. So the way that's mirrored
Speaker 4: in the tempest is Prospero's entire magical operation is timed
Speaker 4: to the minute in the play, the hour has now
Speaker 4: come as a quote mirroring the twenty four inch gauge
Speaker 4: as the symbol of time management. The shipwreck Nobles or
Speaker 4: the rough Ashlars broken down by trials, the island experience
Speaker 4: chips away their vices, just like the gabble, and then
Speaker 4: the final reconcile. Reconciliation is the perfect Ashlar, the raw
Speaker 4: characters refined. So as I'm going through that, I start,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can pick this up and
Speaker 4: show you guys real quick. Another really strange that this
Speaker 4: this book is batshit crazy. Can you see that? Do
Speaker 4: you see? This is the table of contents, right, do
Speaker 4: you see? Just take a quick look at the numbers
Speaker 4: of the pages, and what you'll notice is like the
Speaker 4: tempest starts at page one, but then all the other
Speaker 4: page numbers are out of order. You can be on
Speaker 4: page two hundred and fifty, flip over two pages and
Speaker 4: you're on page forty five and then and that's that's
Speaker 4: something that people have brought up about this. I mean,
Speaker 4: here's page ninety three. I go back a big chance,
Speaker 4: back to fifty way back here. I'm back to fifty five.
Speaker 4: I mean, and I've always thought that that meant something,
Speaker 4: but I'm not mathematically minded. So whatever codes that you know,
Speaker 4: Petro Aminsen and the Oak Island boys are figuring out like,
Speaker 4: I don't have the wherewithal. But what I did notice
Speaker 4: was that the very last, the very last play in
Speaker 4: the Shakespearean First Folio, starts on page three sixty nine,
Speaker 4: and it's only about five or six pages long, right,
Speaker 4: So that puts me around three hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 4: And so I start looking around, like, what from sixteen
Speaker 4: to eleven, what was Bacon involved in that might match
Speaker 4: to that? Well, three sixty nine is like a perfect number.
Speaker 4: I can't remember I went through all that, but I
Speaker 4: try to stay away from the numerology as much as
Speaker 4: I can. But I start looking around, and what I
Speaker 4: find is that Proverbs in the Bible has exactly three
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy five proverbs. So Solomon wrote Proverbs. We
Speaker 4: all know that Francis Bacon was obsessed with Solomon. The
Speaker 4: Masons are obsessed with Solomon. And I'm like, maybe this
Speaker 4: is a match. And since we have this whole table
Speaker 4: of random numbers, almost this random number generator, I was like,
Speaker 4: there's no way that these these numbers could match up
Speaker 4: to the corresponding the play with the corresponding proverb. And
Speaker 4: so when I say three hundred and seventy five proverbs.
Speaker 4: These proverbs are things like, let's see here, a wise
Speaker 4: son maketh a glad father, but a foolish son is
Speaker 4: the heaviness of his mother. They're like two line little
Speaker 4: pieces of wisdom that Solomon wrote down. And the crazy
Speaker 4: thing is is that nobody in the history of the
Speaker 4: Bible has ever took Everybody talks about how amazing advice
Speaker 4: this solemnnic these proverbs are, but nobody wants has ever
Speaker 4: gone and just pulled them out in order and just
Speaker 4: put one, two, three, four, five, Nobody all the way
Speaker 4: down to three seventy five. So I had to open
Speaker 4: the Bible and go through three hundred and seventy five
Speaker 4: proverbs in order and write them down right, And I'm
Speaker 4: glad I did because so And what you'll see with
Speaker 4: the way these map in the beginning degrees just like
Speaker 4: the degrees are in masonry. It's a little light. The
Speaker 4: symbolism fits, but it might be a little bit tangential
Speaker 4: and a little fluffy and not real. There's not a
Speaker 4: whole lot of like weight on it. And then as
Speaker 4: we get further and further and further in, it becomes
Speaker 4: more exact and more perfectly matched up with everything to
Speaker 4: the point where the proverb that matches up with Titus
Speaker 4: Andronicus Titus Andronicus is a is a tragedy play by Shakespeare,
Speaker 4: and at one point somebody cuts the tongues out of
Speaker 4: his daughter, or the tongue out of it to either
Speaker 4: two daughters, and anyway, somebody gets a tongue cut out,
Speaker 4: and the proverb that matches up. And remember we're not
Speaker 4: just going in order one through thirty three proverbs. We're
Speaker 4: going from proverb one to proverb twenty to proverb thirty
Speaker 4: eight to proverbs sixty one, and they match up bank
Speaker 4: bang bang bang, And the proverb that matches up with
Speaker 4: Titus Andronicus literally talks about cutting someone's tongue out. So
Speaker 4: I beyond that. So I find this stuff, and I
Speaker 4: map out all these dang proverbs, and then I move
Speaker 4: on because obviously the number thirty three is popping up
Speaker 4: over and over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: And the other piece of this Bacon Shakespeare Mason kind
Speaker 4: of salad is always kabbala. You always hear, you know,
Speaker 4: the kabbala is basically a basis for masonry, and that
Speaker 4: everything kind of distills in each degree kind of distills
Speaker 4: back to a Kabbalistic principle. And I've asked master Masons.
Speaker 4: I asked the the worshipful master of a lodge, like, hey,
Speaker 4: what do you know about the Kabbala? This is a
Speaker 4: thirty two degree, a thirty second degree Mason. He's like,
Speaker 4: I've never even heard of it. Now, I know the
Speaker 4: guy pretty well, and if he was, you know, if
Speaker 4: he was bullshitting me, I feel like i'd have known it.
Speaker 4: But I've asked other people, and you can go online
Speaker 4: to forums and stuff like that and you'll see you'll
Speaker 4: see Masons all day be like nothing to do with Kabbala, like,
Speaker 4: but it's absolutely clear that it is. And if you
Speaker 4: read Morals and Dogmen anything by Albert Pike, the Kabbala
Speaker 4: was Pikes. That was his preferred kind of esoteric kind
Speaker 4: of framework. So it is in there, specifically in Scottish
Speaker 4: righte freemasonry. So I start looking around into the Kabbala.
Speaker 2: Oh real quick, I just want to say, like, uh,
Speaker 2: I know for a fact that well, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what they even admit it, but it maybe maybe it's
Speaker 2: not true, but yeah, Eestra morgentum even if you look
Speaker 2: up their initiatives, I guess degree system. They even show
Speaker 2: you how like their degrees matched the tree. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: they kind of make it. Oh, they kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, in explaining it, it's quite obvious.
Speaker 4: Well, so does the what I found is? So does
Speaker 4: it match with the degrees the thirty three degrees of
Speaker 4: freemasonry and the thirty three plays of William Shakespeare? And
Speaker 4: so I found this thing called the thirty two paths
Speaker 4: of wisdom in Kabbala. It comes from the Book of Formation,
Speaker 4: and it describes the thirty two paths of wisdom as
Speaker 4: these are the ten sepharat. So one through ten is
Speaker 4: the ten sepharat on the tree of life, and then
Speaker 4: below that is the twenty two letters of the Hebrew alphabet.
Speaker 4: And so that gives you thirty two paths. But Kabbala
Speaker 4: always speaks of the thirty third path that cannot be named,
Speaker 4: the path beyond form, corresponding to ketter or einsoft It's
Speaker 4: heavily emphasized in Lurianic Kabbala, Hermetic Kabala, which is of
Speaker 4: Bacon's day sixteenth and seventeenth. The seventeenth century Christian novelists
Speaker 4: and Rosa Cruscian manuscripts. So this particular kind of ladder
Speaker 4: of thirty three pathways maps right onto the time and
Speaker 4: place that that Francis Bacon was was was, you know,
Speaker 4: messing around and working off of So I've gone through.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go through all thirty three plays,
Speaker 4: but I do have some favorites. Trust me when I
Speaker 4: say that they all match up pretty great. But I'm
Speaker 4: gonna jump. So we went through the tempest a little bit.
Speaker 4: Let's do much Ado about Nothing. That's the sixth degree.
Speaker 4: Much Ado in About Nothing is the sixth play. It
Speaker 4: is the the sixth degree of Scottish rape free Masonry
Speaker 4: is the intimate secretary. The summary of the play, Beatrice
Speaker 4: and Benedict engage in witty verbal combat, while Claudio and
Speaker 4: Hero navigate betrayal and reconciliation. Love triumphs, but only after
Speaker 4: truth is brought to light. In masonry, the degree centers
Speaker 4: on confidence, service, accurate witnessing, and faithful transmission of truth.
Speaker 4: So the sexton in the play is a character in
Speaker 4: the play acts as a recorder, so literally this is
Speaker 4: the intimate secretary. In the The sexton.
Speaker 2: Like a astronomical device as well.
Speaker 4: I believe, so yeah, the no sextant I think, yeah.
Speaker 4: So they have a secretary is a and just so
Speaker 4: you know, there's not a lot of secretary parts in
Speaker 4: other shakespeare In plays, so it's interesting he acts for
Speaker 4: as recorder for dogbery. He embodies the secretary role literacy,
Speaker 4: truth keeping in the ability to discern fact from falsehood.
Speaker 4: The central conflict heroes. Slander dramatizes the dangers of false reports,
Speaker 4: a core lesson of the degree. So right there, core
Speaker 4: lesson of the degree is mapped out right into the
Speaker 4: right into the play there and then from morals and dogma.
Speaker 4: The degree symbols two class hands, curtains, half drawn triangular
Speaker 4: arrangement of secret letters red and white, which stand for
Speaker 4: passion and purity, the way that mirrors in the play.
Speaker 4: The entire plot revolves around broken trust rebuilding of confidence
Speaker 4: between characters Hero, Claudio, Benedict and Beatrice. Everything is overheard
Speaker 4: behind curtains, hedges, partial concealments, perfect symbol of the half
Speaker 4: drawn veil, red and white. Obviously this is a All
Speaker 4: his comedies are also love triangles. So red and white,
Speaker 4: Hero's innocence stained by false accusation, Red Bam and then
Speaker 4: we go to six on the proverbs much ado, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is proverb one oh one or proverbs for eighteen.
Speaker 4: The wisdom of the prude is to understand his way,
Speaker 4: but the folly of the fool is deceit. Aligns with
Speaker 4: the sixth degree, the intimate secretary. The degree stresses discernment,
Speaker 4: accurate record, truth versus deception accurate record. You're talking about
Speaker 4: that secretary there. The wisdom of the prudence to understand
Speaker 4: his way equals the secretary's duty. Folly is deceit. That's
Speaker 4: the degree's warning. Don Pedro and Leonardo equal prudence and understanding.
Speaker 4: Claudio is deceived. Benedict and Beatrice truth disguises wit, and
Speaker 4: Don Don John folly is deceit incarnate. So the sixth
Speaker 4: degree is about the ability to tell the truth from
Speaker 4: falhood and the entire plays in June, and then you
Speaker 4: run over here to the Kabbalah, and that particular play
Speaker 4: lines up with number six, the sixth pathway, which is tifferet,
Speaker 4: which means beauty or harmony or harmony after conflict. So
Speaker 4: again tifferrett equals the heart. The heart equals Benedict and
Speaker 4: Beatrice harmony restored through speech, misunderstanding, and reconciliation. So the
Speaker 4: other great thing about the Shakespeare plays mapping onto the
Speaker 4: degrees of freemasonry is that they go the first I
Speaker 4: believe it's twelve plays. Let me make sure, all right,
Speaker 4: I'll get to it. Oh, here we go. The first
Speaker 4: fourteen plays in the in the Shakespeare folio are the comedies,
Speaker 4: and they are all light love triangles, comedic. Right at
Speaker 4: play number fifteen is where the histories and tragedies start
Speaker 4: in freemasonry. The first fourteen degrees are the ineffable degrees
Speaker 4: a little bit lighter. And then in the fifteenth degree,
Speaker 4: that's right where the historical and religious degrees begin, and
Speaker 4: so also where the histories and tragedies begin in the
Speaker 4: first folio. So I'm gonna jump to where are my
Speaker 4: stars at? Yeah, here we go. I'm gonsa jump to
Speaker 4: the eighteenth degree. I find this one. This grouping of
Speaker 4: these degrees and play is really interesting. So the play
Speaker 4: that we're talking about is Henry the Fifth. We've jumped
Speaker 4: to the the kind of nightly degrees, and we've jumped
Speaker 4: to the histories. In the Shakespearean plays. The eighteenth degree
Speaker 4: is the Night of the Rose Cross, the play is
Speaker 4: Henry the Fifth. It's that also not only does is
Speaker 4: this where the kind of knightly degrees start, but it's
Speaker 4: also interesting that the first place that like rose Accrucianism
Speaker 4: is mentioned within the degrees is the also the start
Speaker 4: of the histories here. So Henry the Fifth follows King
Speaker 4: Henry's transformation from reckless prince to a responsible and inspiring monarch.
Speaker 4: The place centers on his leadership during the war with France,
Speaker 4: especially the Battle of Agan Court. Themes include honor, duty, legitimacy,
Speaker 4: and the burden of kingship, as well as the attempt
Speaker 4: to reconcile former vices with present virtue. In masonry, in
Speaker 4: the eighteenth degree, the Knight of the rose Cross degree
Speaker 4: is the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth to illustrate universal
Speaker 4: principles of life and morality. It emphasizes virtue over vice,
Speaker 4: tolerance over love, the reconciliation of opposites, the discover of
Speaker 4: the true word or logos within oneself. It's a degree
Speaker 4: of inner transformation. In the play, Henry the Fifth can
Speaker 4: be read as a monarch undergoing rose Cross transformation, as
Speaker 4: far as reconciliation of opposites Henry is both pious and ruthless.
Speaker 4: He speaks eloquently of honor and unity. Few we happy.
Speaker 4: Few remember that line. Yet he threatens halfer and sanctions executions.
Speaker 4: He wrestles with tensions between mercy and necessity. The true
Speaker 4: word within is represented by Henry's transformation from Prince hal
Speaker 4: to King. Henry suggests a man has aligned his outward
Speaker 4: actions with an inner sense of calling and kingship, a
Speaker 4: discovery of his royal logos tolerance and union. By seeking
Speaker 4: to unite England and France, symbolized through his marriage to Catherine,
Speaker 4: Henry attempts to heal divisions and build a broad unity
Speaker 4: and echo of the degrees called to transcend sectarianism and
Speaker 4: embrace a higher, reconcilitatory love. You jumped to the signs
Speaker 4: and symbols of the eighteenth degree in freemasonry, and again
Speaker 4: this is really cool. So the eighteenth degree of freemasonry
Speaker 4: is the Knight of the Rose Cross. The play is
Speaker 4: King Henry the Fifth. Henry the Fifth was the last
Speaker 4: king before the War of Roses, and his son presided
Speaker 4: was the King of England during the War of Roses.
Speaker 4: So the degree symbols are the Rose cross, the Pelican
Speaker 4: equal sacrifice, the eagle, which eagles, vision, the lamb in
Speaker 4: seven seals, and red and white and the way you
Speaker 4: find those. In the play, Henry repeatedly cast himself as
Speaker 4: the sacrificial leader, bearing the sins of his army, his
Speaker 4: transformation from how is a rose cross resurrection, and Asian
Speaker 4: Court is framed as the red and white miracle. And
Speaker 4: then that proverb, this is where the proverbs start to
Speaker 4: get a little bit more on the nose, even eighteen
Speaker 4: he this is again sixty nine page I'm sorry, play
Speaker 4: starts on page sixty nine. The proverb, the sixty ninth
Speaker 4: proverb is he that diligently seeketh good, procureth favor. But
Speaker 4: he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him, alignment
Speaker 4: with Henry the fifth. Henry diligently seeks good on her
Speaker 4: unity victory the French, and the French or the traders
Speaker 4: seek mischief in return to destroy them. So it's kind
Speaker 4: of it's almost a perfect alignment from virtue to favor
Speaker 4: to mischief to defeat. And then that mapping onto.
Speaker 2: The spies, even on the keystone too for Merita pillars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then in Kabbala eighteen. The path there is
Speaker 4: represented by the letter pe p e h. The mouth
Speaker 4: or speech the great thing about I love that in
Speaker 4: this play. Do you remember the It's in movies and
Speaker 4: things like that, the famous Shakespearean speech once More onto
Speaker 4: the Breach. It's like a famous like rallying like thing.
Speaker 4: The two most famous like monologue like speeches in Shakespearean
Speaker 4: plays are contained within Henry the Fifth this one play.
Speaker 4: So it's the once More into the Breach speech and
Speaker 4: then the Saint Crispin's Day speech. You look any of
Speaker 4: those up. They've been quoted a million times in a
Speaker 4: million movies about war and whatnot, And specifically the path
Speaker 4: in the Kabbalah on that thirty three run ladder of
Speaker 4: this cabalistic system means mouth or speech obviously, speeches, power
Speaker 4: of the word and the logos thing. Nineteenth degree is
Speaker 4: the nineteenth degree is the Grand Pontiff. The play that
Speaker 4: corresponds as Henry the sixth play. Summary Across the Henry
Speaker 4: the Sixth trilogy, England's Fortunes Decline Abroad and at Home.
Speaker 4: Part one shows the loss of France and the rise
Speaker 4: of Joan of Arc and Talbot. Part two depicts the
Speaker 4: escalating factionalism and civil unrest. Part three plunges fully into
Speaker 4: the Wars of the Roses, with brutal battles between Lancaster
Speaker 4: and York culminating in the Shattered Realm and the rise
Speaker 4: of Richard the Third. Themes include collapse of legitimate authority,
Speaker 4: the cost of war, the legacy of nobility, and heroism
Speaker 4: in masonry. The grand pond of Degree stresses the continuity
Speaker 4: and influence of the past on the present future. The
Speaker 4: play is all things that result from from past deeds,
Speaker 4: the struggle between light and darkness, good and evil, the
Speaker 4: idea that good ultimately triumphs Mason's responsibility to uplift future
Speaker 4: generations and to think beyond his own era. So in
Speaker 4: the play moral ambiguity and struggle, Henry the Six is
Speaker 4: personally devout and gentle but politically weak, while figures like
Speaker 4: Margaret and York display ruthless ambition. The past shaping the
Speaker 4: future the wars betrayals misjudgments in Henry the Six plant
Speaker 4: the seeds for him or for Richard the Third, who
Speaker 4: is the next play In the next the next example,
Speaker 4: the entire are echoes of the nineteenth degree insistence that
Speaker 4: the past is never dead. It is the foundation of
Speaker 4: that will be built good or ill. Let's see here,
Speaker 4: you've got the this is cool in the nineteen degree
Speaker 4: symbols and signs that you've got a triple cross, the meter,
Speaker 4: the censor, and the crown of stars. The play revolves
Speaker 4: around corrupted spiritual authority, contested legitimacy, and priestly overtones. The
Speaker 4: triple cross tensions appear in the War of the Roses.
Speaker 4: There are three overlapping factions in that particular historic conflict.
Speaker 4: So you got those three crosses representing the three parties
Speaker 4: of the War of the Roses. And then Henry the
Speaker 4: six is the metered king. He's pious but ineffective real quick.
Speaker 4: That proverb righteousness keep it keepeth him that is upright
Speaker 4: in the way, but wickedness overthrow with the center. That
Speaker 4: one's pretty self explanatory. The proverbs overthrow is literally the
Speaker 4: War of the Roses. Nineteen we've got resh, which meets
Speaker 4: head or leadership, collapse of leadership, chaos of many heads.
Speaker 4: Here we go, and again the more you go through these,
Speaker 4: the more on the nose they get. The twentieth degree
Speaker 4: is the master of the symbolic Lodge. Play that corresponds
Speaker 4: is Richard the Third. Play summary. Richard of Gloucester schemes,
Speaker 4: lies and murders his way to the throne. His manipulation
Speaker 4: of appearances, oaths, and loyalty creates a reign of terror
Speaker 4: that ultimately collapses and he is defeated by Henry Tudor
Speaker 4: Henry the seventh. Roussalo's ambition conscience, legitimacy, and divine justice
Speaker 4: and Masonry the degree focuses on the responsibilities. Is the
Speaker 4: master to embody and teach truth, justice, and tolerance the
Speaker 4: central virtues of leadership, restoring masonry and symbolically any institution
Speaker 4: to its original purity. It's interesting because it ends with
Speaker 4: a tutor the end of this play, Henry the Seventh,
Speaker 4: the father of Henry the Eighth, who ends up being
Speaker 4: Elizabeth's father, takes over. So this is where it drops
Speaker 4: from Richard the Third and this is exactly where that
Speaker 4: Maravingian line kicks back in, and it's where Bacon at
Speaker 4: the end of this play, what's coming next is Bacon,
Speaker 4: Elizabeth and all that whatnot. You've got keys and golden
Speaker 4: circles that all tie into the play that those are
Speaker 4: the signs the proverb the beginning strife is as when
Speaker 4: one letteth out water. Therefore leave off contention before it
Speaker 4: be meddled with warns against tyranny, conflict, and moral decay,
Speaker 4: all the things that got Richard the Third deposed and
Speaker 4: the tutors in there. Play begins with strife unleashed by Richard.
Speaker 4: The war the roses let out the water that drowns
Speaker 4: the kingdom. Richard is the archetype of the degrees warning,
Speaker 4: unchecked strife, catastrophic.
Speaker 2: Collapse, huge strife, a lot loving the strife.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that Hebrew letter is tav or the seal
Speaker 4: or completion. Henry the seventh. Let's see here. Henry the
Speaker 4: seventh was the son of Edward the third, who was
Speaker 4: a plantagene His wife, Elizabeth of York, was a plantagenet.
Speaker 4: So that's where the true divine right, like I was saying,
Speaker 4: begins again. And I will skip on to the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty first degree. This one's kind of interesting. I'll just
Speaker 4: go through key things because I know this is a
Speaker 4: lot of me just reading. But so the twenty first
Speaker 4: degree is the Noah Kite or Prussian Night, and the
Speaker 4: play there is Henry the Eighth So we're now on
Speaker 4: to Queen Elizabeth. The first Dad noah Kite is a
Speaker 4: non Jew who follows the seven Noah Hyde laws. So
Speaker 4: it's a non Jew who follows the seven like kind
Speaker 4: of Jewish laws, and it's also embodied. Those seven laws
Speaker 4: are embodied in the lower Sufferer of the Kabalistic Tree
Speaker 4: of Life. Let's see here. So Henry the Eighth portrays
Speaker 4: the political and personal entry of Henry's reign, especially as
Speaker 4: marriage to amberleyn descendant of Edward the first Plantagenet, includes ambition,
Speaker 4: religious and political change, the personal cost of royal decisions
Speaker 4: let's see here, arrogance and humility, courtesy and dignity. What
Speaker 4: are we on number twenty one? I mean, I can
Speaker 4: keep going through these things, but I'd love to find
Speaker 4: some of these proverbs that are incredible.
Speaker 1: I was wondering this, Ernie, this is amazing a series
Speaker 1: of correspondences.
Speaker 4: I was wondering, if.
Speaker 1: You'll share the thirty three somewhere online, Maybe not the entirety,
Speaker 1: but just the correspondences maybe just.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was kind of my plan to
Speaker 4: get done before here and be able to like throw
Speaker 4: them up instead of me just not.
Speaker 1: Necessarily for us, But I just mean for you and
Speaker 1: the other folks that might be interested in this, because
Speaker 1: you really nailed some interesting things.
Speaker 4: I think here, yeah, and it's when I'm not rambling
Speaker 4: and you're looking at this and the words by side
Speaker 4: by side by side, it's it's a little more incredible
Speaker 4: than my uh.
Speaker 1: And then I say, I see the incredibleness of it,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure other people do too. But one one
Speaker 1: thing that this all kinds of kind of weaves together,
Speaker 1: at least in my humble opinion. There's there's the masonry,
Speaker 1: there's the King James.
Speaker 4: Bible, and there's.
Speaker 1: The Shakespeare stories. As you're bringing together these and these
Speaker 1: are all, as you pointed out, foundational to our culture today.
Speaker 1: Shakespeare still is so influential to people's mind states. We
Speaker 1: don't even realize it. And and it all makes me
Speaker 1: think because of d and Bacon and there incredibleness and
Speaker 1: and all the weird hidden aspects that they encoded with
Speaker 1: everything and and put forth all these sometimes wonderful lessons really,
Speaker 1: but it makes it makes me think about in the Republic,
Speaker 1: there is an aspect of the dialogues where he there
Speaker 1: I forget who is talking, forgive me, but they're talking
Speaker 1: about the ideal nation or city state, and they are
Speaker 1: talking about how there would have to be a vanguard
Speaker 1: and so on, and there would have to be a mythos,
Speaker 1: there would have to be these stories, and there would
Speaker 1: have to be also this religion. And it's it's fascinating
Speaker 1: that all that the three streams, and maybe more even
Speaker 1: but the Masonry, Shakespeare, and King James Bible come together
Speaker 1: right at the same time, where there's this whole New
Speaker 1: world and it and in one sense, maybe it was
Speaker 1: just Virginia that they were trying to make this their
Speaker 1: little city state in a sense, as you alluded to
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and more broadly the colonies in the
Speaker 1: New World at large. But it just makes me think
Speaker 1: that they really were trying to do what was put
Speaker 1: forth in the Republic, and you're finding this stream that
Speaker 1: really hits on it.
Speaker 4: And then later echoed in Francis Bacon's short story The
Speaker 4: New Atlantis. I mean, I think that that the New
Speaker 4: Atlantis has become almost old hat in in conspiracy circles
Speaker 4: because it's just the same old points have been have
Speaker 4: been brought up for decades about the New Atlantis, but
Speaker 4: it really is what this country ended up being. And
Speaker 4: if you really look at this, it really truly reads
Speaker 4: like the Bacons or these Merovingians this idea for this
Speaker 4: this republic, because they kept trying it. I mean, the
Speaker 4: Meyrivingians start in one area and they move all over Europe.
Speaker 4: They move into Scotland, they move into you know, throughout
Speaker 4: the connected bloodlines. They move everywhere, and they change things
Speaker 4: a little bit, even down to Henry the Eighth splitting
Speaker 4: away from the Roman Catholic Empire, right, and then the
Speaker 4: Anglican Church ends up being the same kind of oppressive
Speaker 4: force that the Holy Roman Empire was in England to
Speaker 4: the Catholics who end up being in England. They oppressed
Speaker 4: them the same way the Catholics were oppressing this upstart
Speaker 4: kind of Protestant Protestantism. And then these Puritans and Calvinists
Speaker 4: come over to the New World, and so it feels
Speaker 4: like they're just jumping out of these places that are
Speaker 4: a little you know, once their their enlightenment ideals get
Speaker 4: like kind of exposed for not being in line with
Speaker 4: the church or or or culture at the time. You know,
Speaker 4: it's like the it's like the Templars who who factor
Speaker 4: into this as well. Once they once, you know, they
Speaker 4: become too powerful and maybe their ideas are a little
Speaker 4: bit too enlightened. All of a sudden, the Pope and
Speaker 4: the French King want them gone. You know, where do
Speaker 4: they go? They go to Scotland and hang out with
Speaker 4: the precursor to the Bruce Klan and help the Bruce
Speaker 4: Klan win the independence of Scotland from England, who at
Speaker 4: the time was Catholic. And they even Scotland at that
Speaker 4: time gets uh like excommunicator. Bishops get excommunicated from the
Speaker 4: Catholic Church. So actually, when Henry the Eighth just a
Speaker 4: short time later split from the Catholic Church, Scotland was like,
Speaker 4: we've been split for a while. But I don't need
Speaker 4: to go through like any more questions, but like, this
Speaker 4: is kind of another.
Speaker 1: Question, and I would ask you to do one more
Speaker 1: because I I'm maybe a plain Jane of the Shakespearean world.
Speaker 4: I like Macbeth and also things line oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm still in the twenties here, let me let me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the number of Macbeth?
Speaker 4: And could you break that one down? Yeah? And and Juliet,
Speaker 4: it's a really good one too. Tim and of Athens,
Speaker 4: Caesar and let Macbeth. Macbeth is twenty eight, so it's
Speaker 4: a twenty eighth degree Knight of the Sun or the
Speaker 4: Prince Adept. This is where they get really cool too, man,
Speaker 4: all right, So the play Summery is spurred by a
Speaker 4: prophecy that his wife's and his wife's urging, Macbeth murders
Speaker 4: King Duncan and seizes the Scottish throne. Haunted by guilt
Speaker 4: and driven by paranoia, he commits further atrocities until he's
Speaker 4: overthrown and killed. Themes ambition, prophecy, moral corruption, and the
Speaker 4: overturning of natural order in masonry. The twenty eighth degree
Speaker 4: Night of the Sun or Prince Adept involves universalism, intolerance,
Speaker 4: deep esoteric and symbolic study of alchemy, kabbala and cosmology,
Speaker 4: the pursuit of inter illumination the sun within duties of reflection, work, prayer, hope,
Speaker 4: and teaching hidden truths. So the way that's represented in
Speaker 4: the play obviously the occult and esoteric themes, that's the
Speaker 4: whole boil, boil, whatever and toil, you know. The witch scene.
Speaker 4: Witch is visions, prophetic apparisions, saturate Macbeth, making it Shakespeare's
Speaker 4: most overtly occult tragedy or other than A Midsummer Night's Dream.
Speaker 4: I think it's the most overtly occult play that he has.
Speaker 4: This aligns with the twenty eighth degrees fascination with the
Speaker 4: unseen and the symbolic perverted quests for secret knowledge. Macbeth,
Speaker 4: like a twisted adept, seeks advancement by violent shortcuts rather
Speaker 4: than genuine enlightenment, similar to those who in Masonic legends
Speaker 4: seek the master secrets through murder. The highrom Abyss story. Also,
Speaker 4: the thing you'll notice too in this mapping is that,
Speaker 4: again those first degrees, it's a little less weight on them.
Speaker 4: They're a little less heavy. But you also notice in
Speaker 4: the first degrees that they are allegory for how you
Speaker 4: should be. And then when once you get to the
Speaker 4: tragedies that switch at the same time the degrees change,
Speaker 4: they all become tales of like warning. All the plays
Speaker 4: are don't do this, don't be like this, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? So all the all the the the
Speaker 4: So the first fourteen degrees are the comedies. The first
Speaker 4: fourteen plays, I'm sorry, the first fourteen plays are the comedies.
Speaker 4: The first fourteen degrees are the ineffable degrees, and then
Speaker 4: it switches to the chival ric and religious degrees after that.
Speaker 4: And once you get to the chivalric and religious degrees,
Speaker 4: that's when you start getting these these cautionary All the
Speaker 4: plays are like cautionary. Don't be like Macbeth, don't be
Speaker 4: like Romeo and Juliet, don't be like Richard the Third
Speaker 4: and and whatnot. But within the let me see, that's
Speaker 4: number twenty eight. So if we go to morals and dogma,
Speaker 4: the signs and symbols of the degree listed or the Sun,
Speaker 4: the zodiac wheel, the seven rays, and esoteric hermetic signs,
Speaker 4: and Macbeth attempts to control fate itself, sort of brushing
Speaker 4: up against the zodiac. The wis. The witches invoke hermetic
Speaker 4: and planetary forces, light versus darkness, which is the sun imagery,
Speaker 4: which matches to the symbols in that degree and its
Speaker 4: central tension. That proverb, if I'm not mistaken, it's a
Speaker 4: good one too. Let's see here. Wealth gotten, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is perfect. Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished, but
Speaker 4: he that gathered by labor shall increase. He literally kills
Speaker 4: the king and takes over his kingdom. So vanity decline,
Speaker 4: true labor increase macbeest kingship equals vanity seized unlawfully. Macbeth
Speaker 4: gains a crown by vanity, murder and prophecy. His reign
Speaker 4: diminishes instantly, just like the proverb says, Malcolm and McDuff
Speaker 4: represent lawful labor, a flawless symbolic match the proverbs warning
Speaker 4: is myth Beck's whole arc.
Speaker 1: And then that correspondence is so.
Speaker 4: And it as I mean, it gets ridiculous. Here we go.
Speaker 4: The path in the thirty three Pathways of the Kabbalah
Speaker 4: is nun or Nun, which is death and continuity. Death
Speaker 4: pursues the wicked death, fate, cycles, darkness, sorcery. That's what's
Speaker 4: encompassed in that. It's go back one because this one's
Speaker 4: really cool too, am I right?
Speaker 2: The one thing I do want to say, I just
Speaker 2: want to add, like I know, somebody had to ask,
Speaker 2: like at the beginning of the show about rituals being
Speaker 2: like plays or anything, and I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you know kind of they are. From my experience.
Speaker 4: You can write them out like that for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even from my experience with the oto thinking
Speaker 2: about taking you know, some of the initiations, well, any
Speaker 2: of the ones I did, they were fucking long and
Speaker 2: drawn out, Like there's multiple people in there. You could
Speaker 2: be answering and saying stuff to multiple people around you.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know what it is.
Speaker 4: It is a play, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They all give you a context of like kind of
Speaker 2: like where you are and what's going on. You can
Speaker 2: figure it out from what people saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I It's kind of been clear
Speaker 4: to me in the back of my head that this
Speaker 4: could be the case, but I never thought it would,
Speaker 4: you know, stack up the way the way that it did.
Speaker 4: This one here twenty four is Titus Andronicus. This is
Speaker 4: the one that I was talking about with the tongue
Speaker 4: being cut out. Plot summary, Roman general Titus Andronicus returns
Speaker 4: victorious and sacrifices a Goth princess, sparking a revenge spiral
Speaker 4: between his family and Tamora, queen of the Goths. The
Speaker 4: play is famously violent and depicts mutilation, rape, and murder
Speaker 4: as revenge escalates without limit. The degree Prince of the Tabernacle.
Speaker 4: Number twenty four focuses on divine omnipresence, the immortality of
Speaker 4: the soul, serving God, country and brethren, faith and divine
Speaker 4: justice and spiritual reward. Apparent absence of the divine justice.
Speaker 4: Characters shoot characters shoot arrows with pleas to the gods,
Speaker 4: but no visible divine intervention arrives revenge instead of faith.
Speaker 4: Let's see here the signs altar, which is crazy. He
Speaker 4: sacrifices in the play. He sacrifices a Goth princess on
Speaker 4: an altar. The symbols of that particular degree in freemasonry.
Speaker 4: The very first one is an altar, cherubim, flaming sword,
Speaker 4: veil of sanctuary. Titus is the grim priest of vengeance
Speaker 4: the killing of Lavinia. The they have this big feast
Speaker 4: of revenge. Alter sacrifices flaming sword, symbolizing or fits the brutality.
Speaker 4: See what that proverb is. Proverb is gonna be the
Speaker 4: mouth of the just, bring us forth wisdom, but the
Speaker 4: fraward tongue shall be cut out. The degree teaches the
Speaker 4: divine order exist even when unseen. The froward tongue describes
Speaker 4: the Gos Saturnius Tamora and Aaron Rome's mouth of the Just.
Speaker 4: Mutilated tongues literally become symbols in Lavinia's mutilation, that's his daughter.
Speaker 4: They cut her, cut her tongue out. Proverbs imagery manifests
Speaker 4: literally in a play speech, mutilation, justice, and divine silence.
Speaker 4: And then I'll do Romeo and Juliet because that one's
Speaker 4: pretty wild too. Fuck I'll find it real quick. But
Speaker 4: now you know what Antony and Cleopatra. That's the thirty
Speaker 4: second degree. So that is the highest degree in Scottish
Speaker 4: Rite freemasonry other than the thirty third degree, which you
Speaker 4: can only be invited to. It's an honorary degree. So
Speaker 4: thirty second degree Master of the Royal Secret. And that's
Speaker 4: the third that's Antony and Cleopatra place mark. Antony, one
Speaker 4: of the three rulers of Rome, is torn between his
Speaker 4: duty to Rome and his love for Cleopatra, Queen of Egypt.
Speaker 4: Political tensions with Octavius Caesar escalate into war. Antony and
Speaker 4: Cleopatra's choices lead to defeat and their suicides. The themes
Speaker 4: are love, duty, East versus West, public versus private identity,
Speaker 4: and the nature of greatness you've got in masonry. The
Speaker 4: Royal Secret of equilibrium, the balance of opposing forces, justice
Speaker 4: versus mercy, reason verse passion, spirit versus matter, harmony between
Speaker 4: heavenly and earthly duties, understanding the true sovereignty is intermastery
Speaker 4: and not just external. Literally the East and the West
Speaker 4: as opposites Roman Egypt, love and duty, Antony's downfall as
Speaker 4: a Roman who who chooses love over duty to his country,
Speaker 4: transfiguration and death. In the final scenes, Cleopatri reimagines Antony
Speaker 4: and herself in an almost mythic cosmic terms. Let's see,
Speaker 4: that's thirty two. So the sign the signs and symbols
Speaker 4: are really interesting. In this one. You've got a skull,
Speaker 4: a black dagger, a Teutonic cross. Oh wait, no, that's
Speaker 4: not I'm in the wrong one. Uh here it is
Speaker 4: a double headed eagle, a globe, a crown, black and
Speaker 4: white reconciliation. Literally Antony and Cleopatra are I just this
Speaker 4: just kind of hit me, the black and white reconciliation.
Speaker 4: You literally have a white Roman guy and you've got
Speaker 4: this this Egyptian princess. Anthony and Cleopatra are literally two
Speaker 4: heads on one imperial body. And think about the very
Speaker 4: first symbol in this degree of freemasonry is a two
Speaker 4: headed eagle. Their fates turned on control of the globe.
Speaker 4: The double eagle, symbol of unity and duality, fits them
Speaker 4: both perfectly. It's thirty two. Uh, you've got proverb. The
Speaker 4: rich rule is over the poor, and the borrow is
Speaker 4: the servant to the lender of the degree. Antony borrows
Speaker 4: Caesar's political stability becomes servant to Rome. Cleopatra borrows Antony's power,
Speaker 4: becomes servant to passion. Rome rules the poor. The proverb
Speaker 4: reflects psychological, political, and karmic debts at the heart of
Speaker 4: the play. Yeah, and then here we go.
Speaker 1: The uh.
Speaker 4: Cough is the cabalistic path, holiness or back of the head.
Speaker 4: The unseen, unseen motives hidden passion, rule Destiny Othello's a
Speaker 4: really crazy one too, that that degree and play are
Speaker 4: all about judging. I'll just read it. I got it right. Here,
Speaker 4: do one more. I'll do one more and then I'll
Speaker 4: shut my mouth.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Let's see here. Yeah, thirty first degree is the inspector
Speaker 4: inquisitor Athello. The plot summary Othello, a Morris general in
Speaker 4: Venetian service, secretly marries Desdemona. His insign Iago drives, driven
Speaker 4: by envy and malice, manipulates events to convince Othello that
Speaker 4: Desdemona is unfaithful. Consumed by jealousy, Othello kills Desdemona and
Speaker 4: then himself when the truth is revealed. Trust, jealousy, race, manipulation,
Speaker 4: and the tragedy of misjudgment. In Masonry, the inspector inquisitor.
Speaker 4: This degree concerns moral self judgment and inner tribunal of
Speaker 4: conscious conscience, the duty to investigate motives with fairness and impartiality.
Speaker 4: He marks his wife because some dude told him some
Speaker 4: rumors about her banging somebody else. The danger of prejudice,
Speaker 4: I mean literally, Othello is the only like, hey, here's
Speaker 4: a black guy and a white woman play. I mean
Speaker 4: that was unheard of for that time, but for then
Speaker 4: the Masonic degree to literally deal in danger of prejudice,
Speaker 4: rash judgment, and Brian credulity and the need to balance
Speaker 4: justice with mercy. That one's pretty my mind blowing. The
Speaker 4: proverb is.
Speaker 3: Who's so, He's been one of my favorite plays.
Speaker 4: It's great. I've seen that two or three times, and
Speaker 4: it's all is one of the best. Whoso keepeth his
Speaker 4: mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles. The
Speaker 4: degree warns against deception and manipulation, and the control of
Speaker 4: speech is a core lesson of that degree matches perfectly
Speaker 4: with the proverb alignment with the play Iago the unkept
Speaker 4: tongue that causes ruin, so literally within the proverb it
Speaker 4: talks about talking crap and screwing stuff up. Othello fails
Speaker 4: to guard his mind or as speech Desdemona's innocence is
Speaker 4: destroyed by false words. The proverb literally predicts the tragedy.
Speaker 4: The tongue destroys the soul. And let's see here, Yeah, Othello,
Speaker 4: that is gonna be Zadi or the righteous one, and uh,
Speaker 4: the whole play is righteousness corrupted by deception. The inspector inquisitor.
Speaker 4: Also Othello becomes the inspector inquisitor of his wife, judge, jury,
Speaker 4: and executioner. So that one I forgot about that Othello
Speaker 4: lines up maybe more perfectly than any of them Macbeth, Hamlet,
Speaker 4: and it literally goes like that as you go down.
Speaker 4: And then also the thirty third degree, which is like
Speaker 4: this unknown degree you've got the very last play in
Speaker 4: the Shakespeare folio, Symboline, which is a play that a
Speaker 4: lot of people say, yeah, whoever wrote it, they out
Speaker 4: wrote all these, but maybe not this one. It seems
Speaker 4: Symboline seems like off from from the rest of them.
Speaker 4: It's the thirty third degree. It's on page three sixty nine.
Speaker 4: There's a correlation between thirty three and three sixty nine.
Speaker 4: It's I'm sure there's I mean, this is just notes.
Speaker 4: This is more that I've typed out since I was
Speaker 4: in high school. For God's sakes, there's probably a book
Speaker 4: in this kind of mapping these things together. But there's
Speaker 4: there's tons more there. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it has anything to do with like
Speaker 3: the Keys of Solomon.
Speaker 4: Well, Solomon wrote, I mean, yeah, Solomon wrote Proverbs and
Speaker 4: most of you know, all a lot of Shakespeare's works
Speaker 4: deal with the Middle Ages. And I believe that's when
Speaker 4: you know, templars are coming back and people are coming
Speaker 4: back from the Crusades in the Holy Land. I think
Speaker 4: that's really when Europe got saturated with actual texts from
Speaker 4: those Middle Eastern occult practices and whatnot. That's when all
Speaker 4: the grimoires show up. Now, they don't have anything older
Speaker 4: than the Ages that is publicly known about, but all
Speaker 4: this esoteric wisdom from the East pops up in the
Speaker 4: Middle Ages and starts being practiced like in earnest and
Speaker 4: it just so happens that coincides with the end of
Speaker 4: the Crusades and the end of the Templars. So yeah,
Speaker 4: any questions anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, fascinating stuff. I just think those the miss ordered
Speaker 1: numbers are definitely interpret uh, presenting something uh with with
Speaker 1: what I've seen. The hints as far as like they
Speaker 1: left behind in relation to geometry and numerology kind of
Speaker 1: are what led people to go, Wait, Shakespeare is not real,
Speaker 1: it was this guy. It was these So I'm sure
Speaker 1: I would bet anyway that those page numbers are communicating
Speaker 1: something uh. And I wonder maybe if they're it's as
Speaker 1: simple as possibly with the Fibonacci sequence.
Speaker 4: It's not look close, it's actually close like the Fibonacci
Speaker 4: I was thinking off by like a number here or there.
Speaker 1: It's weird, Okay, interesting, I was wondering, Yeah, if they
Speaker 1: were each kind of their own little cipher related.
Speaker 4: To something too, that they come together well interesting anyway.
Speaker 4: I have a theory, and again I'm not mathematically minded
Speaker 4: to take it all the way, And I'd like to
Speaker 4: find somebody who could work with me, and I haven't
Speaker 4: found where anybody's ever ever tried to do it. But
Speaker 4: in the book The New Atlantis by Francis Bacon, it's
Speaker 4: almost unreadable because the amount of numbers that are listed
Speaker 4: in it, like it it's like all numbers. It's like
Speaker 4: they're There were eight men and they were on two boats,
Speaker 4: and they rowed out to us, and they stayed five
Speaker 4: hundred feet away, and they asked us how many were
Speaker 4: on the boat, and we told them fifty. And they
Speaker 4: put are sick in two rooms, and they put us
Speaker 4: in seventeen rooms. And I mean, it's the whole it's
Speaker 4: almost unreadable because of it.
Speaker 3: That's exactly how it is. It's like exhausting, and it's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Speaker 4: So I took I went through that book and I
Speaker 4: recorded every number in order and ran it through an
Speaker 4: AI program just to see if there was anything anything there.
Speaker 4: And I mean and I ran it through like three
Speaker 4: different AI programs and they all each one said, yes,
Speaker 4: there's something here. The markers for a code are are here.
Speaker 4: And then when I plugged in, hey, what about like
Speaker 4: Baconian code? Because he had specific ciphers like the Baconian
Speaker 4: side for that he he created himself. And then when
Speaker 4: I did that, all of them were like, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: you have to do this, and then they want to
Speaker 4: run all these It just goes beyond my capability. But
Speaker 4: there's something in that. Yeah, there's no way, there's even
Speaker 4: like the in the first paragraph the words patience and deliverance. Now,
Speaker 4: this is a book about Christians who are lost at
Speaker 4: sea and just happened to bump into an island that
Speaker 4: nobody ever knew of that's filled with other Christians that
Speaker 4: save their lives, and the words patients and deliverance are
Speaker 4: used on like the first page and never used again
Speaker 4: in the rest of the book, which those are two
Speaker 4: like I looked up the odds of that, and it's
Speaker 4: it's pretty astronomical considering like the speech of the time.
Speaker 4: But the two ships, remember I told you that when
Speaker 4: they crash landed on Bermuda, they took apart the old
Speaker 4: ship and built two ships, and they named those two
Speaker 4: ships the Patients and the Deliverance. And the new Atlantis
Speaker 4: came out in sixteen I believe it was sixteen twenty six,
Speaker 4: So you've got The Tempest being written in sixteen ten.
Speaker 4: The King James Bible in sixteen eleven. Sixteen twenty three
Speaker 4: is the first folio, and then sixteen twenty six is
Speaker 4: I believe when Bacon dies and The New Atlantis is
Speaker 4: published posthumously. Posthumously, Yeah, so I think there's something something
Speaker 4: in there, and I think that particular book connects as well.
Speaker 4: And one of those ships that disappeared just happened to
Speaker 4: have fifty people on it, which is the exact number
Speaker 4: of the people in the New Atlantis on the ship
Speaker 4: that were lost at sea. So it's interesting too. And
Speaker 4: if you look back, the captain of that particular ship
Speaker 4: that went missing forever was a guy named Matthew Fitch.
Speaker 4: But if you look back, if your nerd like me
Speaker 4: and you have the complete works of John Smith, Matthew
Speaker 4: Fitch was one of the original mariners who came over
Speaker 4: in sixteen oh seven, and in July of sixteen oh
Speaker 4: seven he was killed by a Native. And then in
Speaker 4: sixteen oh nine he's all of a sudden the captain
Speaker 4: of the ship the catch in the supply mission that
Speaker 4: goes missing forever, that has fifty people on it. And
Speaker 4: then Bacon's Knew Atlantis comes out with a book about
Speaker 4: fifty people lost at sea on a ship and a
Speaker 4: dead guy was supposedly the captain of Yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 4: and they specifically say in the history that the captain
Speaker 4: of that particular ship that went missing the catch was
Speaker 4: the mariner Matthew Fitch, who was on the original sixteen
Speaker 4: oh seven mission, but right clearly in John Smith's works,
Speaker 4: he talks about going out on a hunting expedition in
Speaker 4: the woods around Jamestown and he gets Matthew Fitch gets
Speaker 4: mortally wounded by an arrow from a native. There's all
Speaker 4: kinds of weird crap in Virginia and Jamestown, Bacon and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So go on forever. That's that was weird, Okay. So
Speaker 2: it's sort of like wonders of why fake your death
Speaker 2: or you didn't? Yeah, like yeah, like like yeah, just
Speaker 2: the point of like, I don't know, was there any
Speaker 2: questions that you guys wanted to ask or anything or
Speaker 2: anything that you wanted to bring up? You know, I
Speaker 2: think that was pretty Uh, that was a lot of shit, dude.
Speaker 2: You really got one look at this Shakespeare's stuff. Dude.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, it's it's old hat. The bit I
Speaker 4: feel like the the bacon Shakespeare, Mason things almost been
Speaker 4: beat to death to where like even us conspiracy folk
Speaker 4: are like, oh this again. But the more it all
Speaker 4: trickles back, I really do think Bacon and masonry is
Speaker 4: that connective tissue. As much as we want to look
Speaker 4: at like the Masons now, is these like fish fry
Speaker 4: community like leader guys. There is something There is a
Speaker 4: nugget in that that system that I really think is
Speaker 4: responsible for the stewardship of of the the kind of
Speaker 4: Bacon ideal and the new Atlantis plan.
Speaker 3: In the bloodlines too. It's just so weird.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't keep those bloodlines going and the
Speaker 4: knowledge of them, you know, known publicly. You have to
Speaker 4: do it within a system like this, and that's the
Speaker 4: perfect system for for you know, the monarchy used to
Speaker 4: be one thing. But again that writing was on the wall.
Speaker 4: Monarchies were falling. Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, that was a lot of stuff. You got
Speaker 2: me wondering about the OTO. But they have different number
Speaker 2: of degrees.
Speaker 4: But I mean, doesn't it I mean, it wasn't the OTO.
Speaker 2: I mean, well see that's the thing too, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was, it was. It was originally more degrees and
Speaker 2: when Crowley took it over. He knocked out a fun
Speaker 2: one of them and also made a base on.
Speaker 4: The Book of the Law and Cray.
Speaker 2: But like some of the some of them, I do
Speaker 2: think what's going on in the initiations still follow to
Speaker 2: an extent.
Speaker 4: He was a thirty third degree mason out of Mexico.
Speaker 4: He went down to Mexico and studied masonry. I mean
Speaker 4: he was pretty he was pretty into it, but I
Speaker 4: mean he kind of did that with everything. He kind
Speaker 4: of had this pattern of joining in order and then
Speaker 4: causing chaos and then being like peace, I know, like
Speaker 4: going starting over again with another one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, before we wrap it up, I'll let U
Speaker 2: let everybody plug their stuff again, Julia. I want to
Speaker 2: remind everybody, but they can find all your amazing stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This one was
Speaker 3: really interesting. I knew it would be cosmic Peach podcast
Speaker 3: wherever you listen to podcasts. I got some cool min
Speaker 3: Ninda's brother stuff up right now that you can check out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, thanks for having me and loved the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes, I actually got stuck so many thoughts. I was
Speaker 2: just like fuck, but like it was all I I
Speaker 2: don't know, I didn't want to go up on tangents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happens every time I'm that work, listening
Speaker 4: to the cult reject.
Speaker 2: I was even like, what when.
Speaker 4: You went on hearing you guys, and I'm like, oh, dude,
Speaker 4: I gotta and then I find another path that I'm
Speaker 4: like dying down for like three days.
Speaker 2: He said something like about what the roses like thirty
Speaker 2: minutes ago, and I was like kept on like thinking
Speaker 2: about something. So yeah, Ethan Indigo, please, sir, everybody know
Speaker 2: where they can find all the amazing book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick, Julia and you guys rock Ernie, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That was really interesting. I looked way great
Speaker 1: correspondence and lessons in that. I can't wait to look
Speaker 1: at it more. Honestly, Ethan Indigo Smith online. I'm u
Speaker 1: doing a podcast too with Headless and Ricardo on Sundays
Speaker 1: Sunday Trialogues, and I have a bunch of books available
Speaker 1: and write coming out frequently anyway, So and I appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone in the chat too.
Speaker 2: Thanks Nick, everyone, thank you, sir, thank you, and Ernie.
Speaker 2: Please let everybody know where they can find all your stuff.
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Speaker 4: research is visual and so I throw up maps and
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Speaker 4: but we're about to start hitting it pretty hard again.
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Speaker 2: Well, so thank you for coming on again. That stuff
Speaker 2: as wild and even the people listen again, and I
Speaker 2: do say this a lot the people. If you're catching
Speaker 2: the play, check the chat with the people in the chat.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of stuff to add too.
Speaker 2: Got stuck on that too a couple of times. But
Speaker 2: uh again, Julia, I appreciate you coming on. It's always
Speaker 2: nice to have you here. For real. It's great to
Speaker 2: see you and Ethan appreciate it as well. I owed
Speaker 2: both you guys are on the seam like time zone,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I appreciate you guys dealing with this as well.
Speaker 2: And Ernie for real, for real, it's always a pleasure
Speaker 2: to have you on. You always welcome on. Anytime you
Speaker 2: got a topic, you know, you can always hit me
Speaker 2: on hell yeah, you know. It's always some wild shit.
Speaker 4: I got another one coming. I think Thomas Jefferson was
Speaker 4: a murderer, so oh okay, all right, easy with that.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he killed his mentor the guy that
Speaker 4: made the booby flag.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that he could keep.
Speaker 4: Slavery in existence. That should be in cindiary.
Speaker 2: You all right, No, I look forward to that. H
Speaker 2: That's the end of this one, and again, thank you
Speaker 2: everybody in the chat. I appreciate that. And uh, until
Speaker 2: the next one, everybody be well
Speaker 4: Thank you, bye bye y