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at the Federalist dot com. I would love to hear

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from you today. I have a really fun interview for

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you with my friend Evi Solheim. Evie is a Christian

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wife and mother and freelance journalist, but she is also

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the new director of the brand new Chesterton Media Fellowship

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at New Guard Press. New Guard Press is an awesome

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online magazine of young professionals who seek to provide thoughtful

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and insightful commentary on some of the highest order things

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and how those things relate to our current cultural moment.

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My conversation with Evie really runs the gamut. We talk

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about her new gig and her other writing work, as

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well as marriage and motherhood and relationships and of course

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her latest thrift finds what she's reading these days, and

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how crunchy and devoted to Maha she really is. All

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of that and more on the Kylie Cast, Ev Solheim,

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it is so great to have you on the Kylie Guest.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. It's so funny

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to even say your name as that, because even though

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I've seen it a million times, I didn't know you

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as Ev Slheim. I knew you as Ev Fordham.

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Speaker 2: And I remember when you were kazy not heg.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, oh, how things change. We were just

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reminiscing before we started recording that we've known each other

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for a handful of years now, but I really don't

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remember even how I met you. You've just kind of

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always been a presence in my professional life. So so

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fun to have you on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, though in a good way, I hope, in.

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Speaker 1: The best way, in the best way. Yeah, it's just

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this like fixture. You are a fixture of DC and

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of yeah everything great about conservative media. So which, speaking of,

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you have a new gig. You are now the director

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of the Chesterton Media Fellowship at New Guard Press. So

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we're going to get into that in just a second,

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because that's big news. But for people who you are

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not a fixture in their life, why don't you just

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tell listeners kind of who you are, where you come from,

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and how you got to where you are now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all all keep it as short as I can.

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But yeah, I'm a North Carolina native. I went to

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Patrick Henry College, which many people may not have heard of.

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Many people may have, but I studied journalism there and

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that's what I wanted to do. I did some time

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in local news, I even did and turning at the Federalist,

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and I really did love working in breaking news and

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politics and just kind of cutting my teeth and getting

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to just know the characters in politics, right, politics and

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business and media and all of that, but it was

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really fun to kind of, you know, start my family,

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get to play with freelancing and get to play with

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you know, editing and kind of become kind of an

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informal connector in like the DC or slash conservative media movement,

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which has been really fun. And you know, people always

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have opinions on being a mom and career, and I

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feel like it's different for everybody, But a really fun

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thing about freelancing after becoming a mom is like I've

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had so many topics in spired by being a mom.

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do was I interviewed people who had illegally attended home

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births in my home state because they have pretty strict

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laws on that, and it's just like people are willing

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to talk to you, and you know, maybe their names

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interesting piece and people seem to get a lot out

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of it. But yeah, that's what I'm up to. I

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have a newsletter about politics and pop culture called The

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Girl's Guide, And yeah, I'm also happy to answer questions

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about my new gig with New Guard Press.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, let's talk about your new gig with new guards.

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So it's called the GK the Chester Didn't Media Up Fellowship.

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What exactly is it?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Oh my goodness. Well, and this is something I

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media for a while, but we all remember our days

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starting out. It's really hard to get your foot in

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the door, and you know you are young and you

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don't necessarily have a mile of clips and links to

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speak for you. So really do Guard Press. I've been

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watching them for a while and I really appreciate that

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they are kind of that stepping stone for up and

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coming writers and up and coming journalists. They want to

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publish young people, they want to let them get into

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topics that matter, and so I was just keeping an

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eye on them and you know, thinking they seemed really cool.

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I talked to her just about life and tips for

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interns and things like that, and just kind of kept

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up with them. And then I'll shout out Intercollegiate Studies

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Institute because I love them and they had a big

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role in my coming to journalism. They had a big role,

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and I think, you know New guard Press and our

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founder Bradley Haley, you know, getting their feet under them.

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But I'll shout out II because it just happened to

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be at their last like in person event in DC

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that I get to connect with Bradley and we're like, oh,

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we agree on a lot of things. I have a

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skill set they're looking for. I really have a heart

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for you know. I just love helping people kind of

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level up their writing and kind of feel empowered, like, Okay,

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I have a story, how do I want to tell it?

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And that's something I literally do in my free time.

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So I was like, oh, well, twist my arm, why

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don't you. I'd love to come help run this fellowship,

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be helping some students in recent grads play saw beds

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for six months and they will get you know, a stipend,

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and they'll have the support of New Guard Press, you know,

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boosting their articles. They'll have me to help them kind

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of build their brand. I'll be interesting to hear what

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you think, because obviously you and I came up in

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the digital journalism age, but a huge part of helping

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train writers and commentators is just getting them comfortable putting

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themselves out there, not just as words on a page,

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but as a personality, as a social media presence. So

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that's also going to be part of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing that I think is really interesting about

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New Guard Press is that it's essentially like buy gen

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Z for gen Z. I mean not completely. Of course,

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it has some millennial flavor in there too, and it's

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not just for gen like this is for anyone.

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Speaker 2: But we don't age discriminate, right, right, don't age discriminate.

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But no, you're you're hitting the nail on the head.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, I just I think it's cool

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because I think so much of the content that gen

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on TikTok, they're watching like reels. It's the doom scroll

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or like the endless the infinite scroll of video content.

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their culture content, like really, so much of what they're

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absorbing is in that kind of short form video format,

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and so it's so refreshing and helpful I think for

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gen Z writers not only to have a good place

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to work on cultivating their writing about topics that really matter,

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which I would love to hear more about the topics

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that New Guard Press covers because it's not a news website,

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it's like an online magazine. But also to have a

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better way for them to consume content like that, and

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of course we do a lot of that at the

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Federalists too, but there's still a place for long form

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culture writing, you know, long form journalism that's not just

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quick soundbites, because of course that's what's easy to package.

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But we need to be good readers if we want

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to be good writers. And I think New Guard Press

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is a great platform for people to consume good content

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and and one thing, you know, maybe I'll

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trademark this when I get time, But you are who

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you reference and who are your references. And I love

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the references that the writers at New Guard Press bring up.

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They are thinking deeply, they are reading deeply, and so

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even just the Chesterton Media Fellowship, you know, I remember

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first being introduced to GK. Chesterton through like probably father

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Brown Stories, reading some excerpts of Orthodoxy, and I think

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middle school, which is young, but you can think about

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those topics, you know, And so Bradley is a superfan

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of GK. Chesterton, and you know, that name was kind

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of in his mind, and I was like, oh, I

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think it's good. I think it's good. You know. Our

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tagline is cultivating Swordsmanship of the pen because I have

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this feeling that there are so many good writers or

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thinkers out there, but I feel like there's this disconnect

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of sometimes the most thoughtful and the most well read

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people are also the most humble and circumspect, and they're

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the ones who are going to be the last to

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jump into the fray to say, hey, I've figured it out.

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trying to be like we're going to have a response

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to every news item that happens, you know, twenty four

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to seven in twenty four hours. It's letting kids think

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a little more deeply, letting them pull out of that

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like rapid fire news cycle that can get you in trouble.

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to kind of be comfortable with the pieces where you

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sit and you think about the topic and okay, let's

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figure out what our comfort zone is when we do

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what are our thoughts on this? What does scripture say?

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have deeply thought through like theological theological topics. You know

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more than me. I'm going to learn from them. But yeah,

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I was just really really exciting, a really exciting project

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think it's it can be hard

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for young writers too, because in some ways you need

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to get comfortable finding your voice. And I'm curious even

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how that transition was for you, because i know you

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a lot of young writers it's like you're trying to

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break through. You have these ideas, you're trying to learn

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to communicate them in a way that's compelling. And persuasive,

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but in many avenues or many like realms of policy,

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and you have not earned your opinion yet, if that

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makes sense, like nobody's going to listen to, nor really

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should anyone necessarily listen to, you know, a nineteen year

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old's hot take on like the Ibrand war or some

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other foreign policy thing. But that doesn't mean that you

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can't have a really thoughtful, biblical, biblically based take on

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one of the Oscar nominees or like some other piece

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of cultural significance where it's not it's not like a

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super niche policy arena where you need to have gone

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a really longer form depth of understanding than just you know,

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there's so many other topics and other realms where young

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where they absolutely have earned the right to bring a

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generalize about gen Z and so empowering gen Z writers

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I think is important. Not that then they're gonna say, oh,

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I alone speak for my generation. But we've noticed that

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there's even just a huge disconnect and how like big

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tech is regulated and how much big tech affects teens

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and young people. And it's like, well, are people who

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are regulating it or are lawmakers? They don't have the

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lived experience of a twenty one year old, you know,

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they might read I've read some really great op eds

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from people who are under twenty just kind of talking about,

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you know, how they found porn or how they were

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affected by cyberbuling things like this. And so it's not

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that you know, oh you're young and you're affected. You

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choose how it goes. But you're a piece of the puzzle.

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You deserve to have a voice. We need to we

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need your puzzle piece to figure this out. You know,

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good lawmakers want to know how is gen Z really

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living digitally being affected by our digital world and social

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media and big tech and things like that. Can you

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tell that's a topic on my mind we can talk

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about that leader. But but no, I think what you

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said is so true. You know, if you're nineteen, you

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haven't most likely gone through all of law school yet,

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and you're like, oh, I've decided exactly what's right and

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wrong with the constitution, Like that's that's not Probably probably nobody,

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nobody solely can speak to that, you know, to to

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something that huge. But yeah, I want them to feel like, Okay,

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I'm going to take my little slice of what I know.

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what I know through God's you know, natural law revealed

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things like that, and they do have things to say,

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because yeah, it was for me. I you know, I

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pretty much came out of the womb wanting to be

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a journalist. My parents will say, I ran a neighborhood

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news page paper. I had so much fun, and I

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worked in local news. But it was very much, you know,

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your typical straight news format, a lead that's all tangible,

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you know, tangible things. This store opened on Friday at

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the corner of Sixth and Maple. You know, the owner

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all the w's when, where, yes, exactly, and so that

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was like my job was to who, what, when, where,

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and you know, it progressed to where I was doing

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things like interviewing Rudy Giuliani, interviewing UH representative ISA. It's

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interesting we have Joe hint Is in the news, and

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Congress at Fox. So it's like I get to talk

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to all the most interesting people who are going to

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continue making news, but I'm not inserting my opinion. You know,

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an interesting thing is people talking about you know, there's

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bias even in what you choose to cover, and I

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totally agree, you know, covering what I think is interesting

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and what I think is worthy for you know, it

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was the Daily Caller audience, then it was the Fox audience,

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and then now it's you know, multiple outlets that I

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write for as a freelancer. But yeah, the switch into

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opinion and analysis was hard for me because I was

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very much trained of just the facts. Yes, but I'll

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be interested to hear what you think. Kind of something

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that was rolling around in my mind by the time

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I was ready to transfer into more of like opinion

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and analysis in addition to straight news. Was just like,

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if it's called commentary to use someone's actual biological pronouns,

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ideological or a form of commentary, then I guess I'm

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a commentator, even though I've identified as straight news my

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whole life. Like I'm gonna call someone who is a

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born a man and then decides he's a woman to

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get less of a prison sent It's like the weird

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stuff happening in the UK. I'm gonna call him a he,

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you know. And if that makes me an ideological commentator,

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so be it. Right, I'm staying grounded in truth. Labels

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can change, don't I don't know. I mean, just right,

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what you think about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're all commentators now, right, if that's

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the standard, you know, And I read the New York Times,

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and I read the Washington Post and even now you know,

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increasingly the Wall Street Journal and other papers, and it

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absolutely is commentary. Any most of what's coming out of

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the straight news side of these publications is commentary. And

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you can tell based on where they put the information

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that's most important. Is it at the top or is

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it at the bottom. What kind of pronouns do they use,

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how do they characterize things? You can tell on the headline,

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you can tell in the subheads, you can tell you know,

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throughout the article. And so I think, like you know,

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because I'm sure you can find it if you really

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look for it, but I think it's become more siloed

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by what set of facts do you operate under, because

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we're really living in two different worlds, you know, a

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world where men are men and women are women, or

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men can become women and women can become men, and

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that's that seems like that's a pretty low bar for

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whether you're operating within the realm of truth. But sadly,

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most of the corporate legacy press is not operating under reality.

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And so of course yeah we are. We are commentators

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as well, no matter no matter what we do. I

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guess I've always kind of been on the commentary side

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of things because I have been at the Federalist so long.

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I never was a straight news or breaking news reporter,

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and I started more on the on the editorial side

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of things. I've always been more interested in taking other

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people's work and making it better than I have been

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in you know, doing who what When where? Type journalism.

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Although of course that's super important. I see the value

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of it. I'm just not wired that direction as much

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as I am taking other people's work and punching it up.

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But but yeah, I love how you were able to

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make that transition from news to commentary and now how

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that can help inform how you help the New Guard

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fellows to help make their work better and give them

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a voice because you did such a good job of

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finding yours. So let's yes, let's move away a little

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bit from the strictly journalism side of things, because you're

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not just a director of the Chestert and Media Fellowship.

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You are also a Christian wife, mom, substacker, freelancer, all

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the rest. So let's dive into some of those topics.

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I would love if you could just share a little

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bit about how you personally became a Christian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a that's a great question for me.

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A lot of it is just kind of growing up

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in the church and kind of actually growing up in

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a more liturgical tradition and now kind of having my

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husband and I have kind of returned to a more

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liturgical tradition. So I actually grew up in the Methodist

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Church and all my family has been Methodist, which is

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interesting now that there's like the schism, and I actually

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haven't even kept up with it that much because most

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of my family was not Methodist by that point. But

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you know, just kind of grew up in the church

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and just being really fascinated by like, you know, the

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sacraments and being really fascinated by, like I think I'm weird.

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I like the Old Testament more than the New Testament.

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Like I just loved like reading like old Testaments. I

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was that kid who was like, I want to read

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my Bible like cover to cover every year, and I

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wish I still had that energy. I need that energy back.

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I'm on like a one proverb a day energy and

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I'm like, keep me from being the fool Lord. But

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oh my goodness, But I mean that was just I

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was really lucky that, you know, I had parents who

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took me to church, and you know, grew up in

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a you know, in a tradition where you're you're born again.

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So I think I asked Jesus into my heart when

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I was like five. But you know, I was just

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a kid who loved to read, and I love to

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read the Bible, which I did not did I understand

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what was going on in when I was ten? No,

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I did not understand. But I have seen some really

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interesting stuff from people kind of pushing back against Oh,

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you have to find the perfectly calibrated like book or

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you know, if you're being more specific, like Bible book

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or theology book for your kids. No, let them read

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stuff they don't fully understand, because it's been a joy

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to kind of return to things, you know, with my kids.

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That's been an amazing part of being somebody who's you know,

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lucky enough to be raised by Christian parents. Now I'm

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raising my kids. It's like we read our little illustrated Bible,

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and then somehow it always something we read in there

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is lining up with whatever we're doing at church, which

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is always so fun. But we're reading their little Bible,

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and it's like I'm able to get something out of that,

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you know. So I think it's really beautiful, and I'm

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really grateful we're in a I think we're in First

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Samuel right now, my kids and I. So it's all

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the like, say, the book I'm reading with them, it's

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like a completely sanitized version of even Goliath. We just read,

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and I'm like surprised. They even used to word like

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Goliath died, and my kids are both like good story.

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And I'm like, y'all don't have any questions and they're

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like no, you know, so it's fun. But yeah, just

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just really really blessed in that way.

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Speaker 1: So cool to get to see the Bible through their eyes,

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you know, because it's been so long since we saw

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the Bible that way. So very cool to get to

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to relive it through.

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Speaker 2: Even if the illustrations are not super historically accurate, you

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know what, they're cute, we're going with it. I don't

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know if they were wearing like red, purple and bright blue.

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I don't know if they were vegetables. That's a whole

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other topic, but it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Od, Hey, if we're getting to the capital t truth,

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then the wardrobe is of secondary importance there. Yes, yeah,

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So how did you meet your husband Nick?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Oh my goodness, well Politico already scooed you on this.

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I'm sorry sorry to say, no, I mess it Nick.

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My husband Nick was profiled in political while back, and

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they threw in a detail about how we met. But

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you know this was pre COVID. Do you remember DC

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pre COVID. H what it's time to be alive, just

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having fun, meeting people, you're allowed to go places. Anyways,

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we had the best time in DC time. Yes, yeah,

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Oh my goodness. There was so much fun stuff to do.

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I think it's a really fun city to live in

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when you're young. I really do think that there's so

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much cool stuff to do. I would just go to

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museums by myself, not often enough, but I just do it.

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You know. There was so much to do.

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Speaker 1: I was never born.

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Speaker 2: Much to do, never bored. Yeah, if you're bored, that's

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your own fault in DC. But yes, So there was

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just a Twitter group chat back when it was called Twitter,

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and I think you and I were both in it.

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My husband was in. It was just huge and people

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would basically plan like get togethers, which were mainly trivia.

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So we met in like twenty nineteen, you know, to

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play trivia, just this big group of kids. We'd all

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descend on this one bar that I checked. The bar's

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now DEFUNCD. It closed during COVID, but we would all

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descend on the bar and play trivia and I was

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into it. I'm obsessed with trivia. I was like, I'm

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gonna win, and my husband was just there to see me,

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so he actually wouldn't even stick around for trivia. He

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would just hang out and then he would leave. And

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I was like, we need you, we need your baseball

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knowledge because that's like my one weakness and I don't

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know anything about baseball. But it was, Yeah, it was

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a good time. And so it's just kind of a

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low pressure way to get to know each other and

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all that kind of good stuff. And by the time

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COVID happened and we realized like, oh, we actually really

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like each other, like we want to see each other again.

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We don't want to be social distancing for each other

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for the rest of our lives. You know. It was

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it was, It was really good. But I really loved

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the friendship aspect of it that we had. And maybe

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this is terrible for me to say, because we were

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just friends. We didn't date for six to eight months.

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If I'm like ever speaking to like some interns or something,

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I'll be like, don't worry, or no, I'll say I'll

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say I'll say, I'm so sorry to tell you, but

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you may have already met your future husband. You just

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don't know it yet. And normally they're like, you know,

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the boys that are intering class are gross. I'm like, okay,

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well you never know. Hey, it's true.

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Speaker 1: That's how some of the best relationships are forged. I

474
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:26,920
think is just with that friendship that just turns into

475
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,799
something a little more than that.

476
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:29,839
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's stuck.

477
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: And was Nick a Christian before you guys met as well?

478
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, I mean that's a huge part of

479
00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:39,400
his stories. He's a missionary kid, so I won't tell

480
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,559
his whole story, but he didn't even he didn't even

481
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,200
spend his teenage years in the US, Okay, so pretty

482
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:49,160
much ten to eighteen. Yeah, he was in Central America,

483
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,839
and so normally I let him talk more about that.

484
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,160
But I mean that's a huge part of who he is.

485
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,359
And he has a great Spanish accent. People are their

486
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,920
jaws drop when they hear him Spanish accent. That's crazy.

487
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,559
But yeah, so so it was. It was really nice

488
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:08,119
that that was also obviously a huge part of how

489
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,720
we connected, and going to church together and things like

490
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,319
that me literally changing I think I was. I was

491
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,400
working Sundays at the time, but I would get off

492
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,279
in time to go to an evening service at church.

493
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:26,680
And then COVID happened and churches just shop them out

494
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,519
of services. They did, and I was like, oh, I

495
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,519
literally have to quit my job, like I need to

496
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,680
go to church on Sunday. So that happened. That was crazy.

497
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,759
Quit your job.

498
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,039
Speaker 1: Too, saying it is something that I still just can't

499
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,480
even believe happened. What crazy that was.

500
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: And I wrote a lot about that as but it

501
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,160
was just there were just less people in the city

502
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,359
and they were like, we're just going to go down

503
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,359
to our one service. And I was like, oh, I

504
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,519
have to quit my job so I can go to church.

505
00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:53,960
But the Lord rewards you, that's all I'll say. The

506
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,519
Lord rewards you. So very lucky I found another opportunity.

507
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:58,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the most important thing, So that has to

508
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,160
that has to fit in first. Yeah, let's see, So

509
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,359
what now you have two children? What is your favorite

510
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,640
thing about being a mom?

511
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness?

512
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: And also how did how did your faith and your

513
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,039
husband's faith affect your approach to like deciding to have children,

514
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,319
and then how has that, how has that changed your life?

515
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,519
What's your favorite thing about it? Just all the mother

516
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:24,599
heard questions come in your way?

517
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Well, another thing Nick and I will talk.

518
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,240
We'll talk about so very interesting. We've been asked to

519
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,160
be like profiled by for like pro natalist stories and

520
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
like stuff like that, like people trying to write about that,

521
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240
and I'm not even going to get into like that label.

522
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,359
I like the label. I'm like, yeah, babies are great,

523
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,680
you know, I know something's come with baggage. We're both like,

524
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,119
we don't know how to convey how privileged we both

525
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,079
are that we have parents who are still together and

526
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,519
like inculcated like we are, just we're starting from such

527
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,960
a like a plus up, which is not to say

528
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,920
if you don't start from that that the Lord can't

529
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,200
you know, lead you, redeem you all those kind of things.

530
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,160
We just felt so blessed. I think the beautiful thing

531
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,279
is I have so many friends who didn't have the

532
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,920
advantage of parents who were together or took them to church,

533
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,400
and they are discovering that with their spouse and it's

534
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,799
so beautiful. So I love it. Oh yeah, but you know,

535
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,039
I think it's beautiful. Everybody's story is different, but we

536
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,839
just feel so blessed, and we're like not sure. We're

537
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,039
like we we don't want to just sound smug and

538
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,799
like boss people around, like do it our way or

539
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,200
you're not doing it right. Like we're just really blessed.

540
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,240
You know, both our kids have grandparents who we completely

541
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,599
trust to love them and lead them and nurture them.

542
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,519
And it is you know, the longer you live, you

543
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:51,839
realize that's rare and that's a huge blessing. So anyways,

544
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,599
I get emotional very easily. But so we've just been

545
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,359
really blessed. And you know, I've got a three daughter

546
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,680
named Margo, and I've got an eighteen month old son

547
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,960
named Sawyer. So I still consider myself very much like

548
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000
a beginner mother. If you even notice in my writing,

549
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,680
I don't write a ton. I don't write a ton

550
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,359
about motherhood. I don't give a lot of advice. I'll

551
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,240
write about my experience. I'll be like, hey, so I

552
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:20,400
learned that in order to interview people for my straight

553
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,640
news stories sometimes I have to say, hey, there'll be

554
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,079
a baby on this call, and guess what they're actually

555
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,880
chill with it. So that was actually like a whole

556
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,000
call of I wrote, is it okay if my baby

557
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,480
joins this call? Luckily, I was reported that I wrote

558
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,319
this around the time I was reporting something that had

559
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,240
to do a lot with like maternal fetal medicine. So

560
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,359
I was literally like getting on zoom with like people

561
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,039
whose whole jobs are like keeping moms and babies healthy,

562
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:47,759
and they're like, a baby, I love babies, hi, dude,

563
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,799
you know. So it's just like, you know, you pick

564
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,319
your topics too, and it's like yeahing to somebody who's like,

565
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,680
all I do is think about how much I love

566
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:58,759
taking care of babies, and you're like, Okay, great, that

567
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:00,839
was just a fun experience I had where you're talking

568
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,240
to people who are important professionals, but they also share

569
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:06,000
this love and their pro family and right and stuff

570
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,319
like that. So we have fun.

571
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: But it's so awesome too to be able to do

572
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,519
the type of work that you're passionate about while also

573
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,720
being a mom, because so many women don't have that luxury.

574
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,559
You know, if you work a very it takes a

575
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
very particular type of job where you can freelance or

576
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960
work remote or whatever to be able to balance those things.

577
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,279
And I know it's really difficult for a lot of

578
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:34,960
women who you know, want to want to be there

579
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,599
as much as they can for their children, they don't

580
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,119
they don't want to just dump their kids off at

581
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,559
daycare and you know, and go to work to then

582
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,599
pay for said daycare. But you know, you and I

583
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,079
are so privileged in that way of just being able

584
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,200
to work jobs that we love from home that are

585
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,359
so conducive to being working moms, and that is just

586
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,680
so talk about being blessed. That is a huge, huge

587
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,039
blessing that not everyone has. But I love being able

588
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:00,839
to do both of those, both of those passions that

589
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,079
you have at the same time.

590
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: That's super. Yeah, I think that's a huge miss or

591
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,160
not miss disconnect in the mommy wars is people like

592
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,000
if there's just a certain subset of jobs that are flexible,

593
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,319
there's a certain subset that are not, and it's like

594
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,000
people just start talking past each other about these things,

595
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,000
you know, so anyways, we don't have to go off

596
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,039
on that tangent. But yeah, there's just such a huge

597
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,480
variety and it's it is a blessing. Yeah, to have

598
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:29,000
a job that can literally get books sent to my

599
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,279
house and I read them and I say good or

600
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,920
bad I do this, and then somebody pays me for

601
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,720
my opinion. Like, yeah, I'm kind of living the dream.

602
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,720
What a perfect gig. What a perfect gig? Twelve year

603
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,880
old even would have been like you you email can

604
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,839
do that? Calling? You just cold emailed them from the

605
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,839
email account we have now as a twelve year old. Yes,

606
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,519
I did do that, and I do do that. I've

607
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:59,400
used the same Gmail for like twenty years. Oh gosh, yeah,

608
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:05,839
like coming on twenty years. Help, probably more like fifteen years.

609
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,920
But yeah, do as I say, not as I do.

610
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,319
I have a very unprofessional email account, and I'm like, hello,

611
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,359
person who does this is a true story publicity for

612
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,839
Donna Tart, Please please do this. You know it's just

613
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,920
like crazy word. But anyways, Yeah.

614
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: So I just had an interview with Brad Wilcox from

615
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,680
the Institute for Family Studies and we talked about some

616
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,680
new research that's out regarding the dating landscape, and so

617
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,119
I just want to ask you about this because we

618
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,160
just talked about your dating experience and now becoming a mom.

619
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,160
But we talked about the number of young people. I

620
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,559
think it's the range was twenty two to thirty five,

621
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,880
So you're looking at young millennials or older gen z.

622
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:49,960
That's kind of the cohort we're looking at here. So

623
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,200
we would fall into that bucket, and many also of

624
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,519
the writers at New guard Press and elsewhere where, the

625
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:04,519
majority of them actually are seeking meaningful relationships, deep intimate relationships,

626
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,599
not hookup culture, not you know, swipe left, swipe right.

627
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680
They like, they want to find a spouse and settle down,

628
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,160
but they're having a really hard time doing that because

629
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,119
the numbers of people who want it versus the numbers

630
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,200
of people who are doing it successfully, the math ain't mathing.

631
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: They do not align.

632
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: And so what piece of advice would you have for

633
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,759
young women or young men who do want this really

634
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,960
good thing of finding a spouse who shares their worldview,

635
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,319
shares their faith, and possibly having children, but hasn't quite

636
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:37,240
found that yet.

637
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: So I wrote an opinion piece for Newsweek years ago

638
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,039
called gen z wants to Slow Down Dating or something

639
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,480
like that. I don't remember what they named it, or

640
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,359
I might have named it. I don't remember. I'll have

641
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
to look. But so I I was just kind of

642
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:57,279
writing about, like, is the dating landscape that we kind

643
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,400
of have nostalgia for in the US, Like is it gone?

644
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,799
And the answer is yes. I think I started out

645
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,640
quoting there's like this tweet that's like when you're a

646
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,559
married millennial looking at the dating scene realizing you caught

647
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,680
the lost chop er out of nam and it's like, yeah,

648
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:17,240
it's that serious. So like if someone isn't that funny

649
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,559
and also sad, Like if someone's feeling discouraged, you know,

650
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,599
it's probably not You probably are having You probably are

651
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,079
having a natural reaction to the way dating and marriage

652
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,279
is being treated right now and how it's being approached.

653
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,359
Like you're probably having a natural reaction. The good thing

654
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200
is there are good people, and there are things you

655
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,119
can do to maximize your chances. Like I find people

656
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,839
talking about the economics of dating or the economics of marriage.

657
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,000
I find all that really interesting. But it's like when

658
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,799
you're gonna come down to your individual self and your

659
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:56,119
individual journey, Like I sound so clicheten I've written this

660
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,359
in a calum before, but I'm like God writes the story,

661
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,559
like God writes the story. I hate that people put

662
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:06,400
numbers on people and you know, you know, try to

663
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,519
just reduce everyone down to like these very material or

664
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,519
very tangible attributes they have, because that's just really not

665
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,519
what love is about. And obviously the most important thing

666
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:24,679
is finding someone of character. So so anyways, I feel

667
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,360
like a lot of the ways that we talk about

668
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,960
in analyzed dating are really interesting on the aggregate. But

669
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,079
if you're going to try to kind of forge a

670
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,280
path for yourself, like you just have to remember that

671
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,159
God writes the story. Like, You're not like a set

672
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,800
of numbers that like predetermine who you're allowed to date

673
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,239
or marry or who you'll get.

674
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: Like that's just silly, right, You are not a statistic

675
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,639
You are not You are an individual.

676
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's so interesting to me And I'll

677
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,719
actually be writing a little bit about that in an

678
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:01,840
upcoming piece. Yeah, I think it's just important. I'll shout

679
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,360
out a friend of mine, Steve Kapustka. He just published

680
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,480
a piece with Daily Wire about getting himself just out there,

681
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:12,679
just making friends, just meeting people. Because we've created a

682
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,199
world where a lot of people if you're young and

683
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,800
gen z and you live in a city, you could

684
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,400
you you can do you know, DoorDash, you can do

685
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,000
self checkout, you can you know, feel like you're talking

686
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,719
to people because you're watching YouTube on your phone while

687
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,159
you eat dinner. You know, we've created a world where

688
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,039
people don't need other people. And so I really appreciated

689
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,440
his recent piece about like getting out of the I

690
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,159
think it's getting out of the loneliness epidemic or something,

691
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,440
but just talking about you've just got to get out there,

692
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,239
You've just got to go do stuff, you know, And

693
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,760
so I appreciated that. I'm trying to think, yeah, well,

694
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,039
I mean, you're sorry.

695
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:51,079
Speaker 1: Like your story of meeting and dating and marrying your

696
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,079
husband as similar to mine, and I know it's similar

697
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,400
to a lot of other people's too, And it really

698
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,400
does rely on communities of friend who connect other friends,

699
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,320
and it's like not that there. I also know a

700
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,079
lot of people who have met their spouses, met people

701
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,960
of like faith and character on dating apps, Like there

702
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,400
are other ways. There are good ways to meet people,

703
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,920
and not every formula works the same for every couple.

704
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,840
Just because you had success on a dating app doesn't

705
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,039
mean that somebody else is going to or vice versa.

706
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,519
But it really is so helpful to be in a

707
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:29,360
community of people, especially when there are a lot of

708
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,599
singles in the same group, because just because a friend

709
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:34,119
of yours that's in the group might not be a

710
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,000
good partner for you, you might bring in one of

711
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,199
your girlfriends who that is a good partner for and

712
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,880
now this person is pre vetted, you know. And I

713
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,360
see that happen all of the time. I my friend

714
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,159
group where I live now, it was a lot of

715
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,119
my college friends, and then when I moved out to

716
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,920
DC for a few years before COVID shut that down,

717
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,679
which in hindsight, thank god, I mean, it was such

718
00:36:57,679 --> 00:36:59,920
such a fun time. But I'm also so happy with

719
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,239
how he led me out of there. But during the

720
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,119
time that I was out of the friend group because

721
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,559
I was in Washington with a new friend group, there

722
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:10,400
was this boy that got added to the friend group

723
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:12,760
and he wasn't a good match for the girls that

724
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,199
were in the friend group at the time. But when

725
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,280
I came back, it was like, wow, this is perfect,

726
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,480
Like this is a match made in heaven.

727
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: Here we are.

728
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,679
Speaker 1: This is great, and now I have this free, vetted person,

729
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,079
you know. And I think it's very similar to the

730
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,800
Twitter group, the group chat and you and Nick meeting,

731
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,519
where you know you never know who the right the

732
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,599
right combo of people is going to be, but it

733
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,119
requires you to be in groups of people in real life,

734
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,840
making friends, mingling and introducing new people to the group

735
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,800
constantly so that you know you introduce a friend to

736
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,360
a friend and you just you just never know. I

737
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,760
think we need to bring back matchmaking so and dating

738
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,760
people who are your friends. I love that. I love

739
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,960
that piece of advice that you give your interns about

740
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,320
maybe you've already met the one, maybe you've already met

741
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:52,679
the yae.

742
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: So sorry you're ruined it for you, So sorry to

743
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,480
tell you. Yeah, And that even reminds me. I wrote

744
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,960
a Girl's Guide. So the girl Guide my sub stack,

745
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,480
which I'll I'll share, I'll explain how people can find

746
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,400
it later. But I was going to get to that next. Actually,

747
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,800
so go off. Sometimes I write girls Guides for the

748
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,639
men because we have a very it's a group of elite,

749
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,360
elite male readers in the Girl's Guide, and only I

750
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,760
know who they are because I'm in the dashboard. But

751
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,679
there's some elite male readers. And so I wrote kind

752
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,559
of a piece, I kind of I made a sports analogy.

753
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,079
So I was like, Okay, this is for the dudes,

754
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,199
this is for them, This is for the dudes, this

755
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,159
is for them. And I did get some good feedback.

756
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,760
But it's called be a generalist, not a specialist. You know,

757
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,280
if you really are a young man or young woman

758
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,519
who's like, hey, I just not I need to find

759
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,000
my feature spouse tomorrow. But if I want to marry somebody,

760
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,119
I need to get comfortable dating and I need to

761
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,880
get comfortable you know, operating with the opposite sex, you know,

762
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,920
and chatting and you know, extending invitations and having you know,

763
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,079
mixed group uh you hangouts. So I wrote, I don't

764
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,400
even remember what all my bullet points were, but you know,

765
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,239
be a generalist. You know. I was talking about some

766
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,039
different athletes who ended up being great at one sport,

767
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,400
which I think could be the analog for marriage, but

768
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,960
they played a lot of different sports that strengthened them

769
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,280
in a lot of different ways before they got into

770
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,559
their main sport. And so I'm like, don't be like

771
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,840
the only way I'm going to meet my woman is

772
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,440
on hinge or the only way I'm going to meet

773
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,599
my woman is Friday night at the bar, Like you

774
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,199
need to be more wide ranging. Another one of my

775
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,079
points I think was, you know there's so many famous

776
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,079
sports smeltdowns, like videos of famous sports smeltdowns when they

777
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,079
like miss the catch or like they missed the like

778
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:45,079
buzzer beater, like don't do that like, don't do that

779
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,559
if things don't go your way in the game of dating,

780
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,679
which I hate to call it, and you know, if

781
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,159
things don't go your way, you know, you just got

782
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,719
to pick yourself back up, dust yourself off. The best

783
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,800
athletes are like, you know what, I'm gonna train harder

784
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,199
and I'm gonna get back out there.

785
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,559
Speaker 1: Ye oh, you know, which is interesting too because in

786
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:06,280
the IFS data that I was just talking about that

787
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,480
I've talked to Brad Willcox about, one of the main

788
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,960
reasons why young people were not dating was that they

789
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,760
reported not being able to bounce back from a failed relationship.

790
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,159
So that's such great advice of just you know, you

791
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,119
only need to meet the one, which means any other

792
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,039
dating you do will actually be unsuccessful. Like that you

793
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,119
will likely have far more failures than you will have

794
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,199
successes unless you you know, get a hold in one.

795
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,320
And that's that, you know, But like it's actually okay,

796
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,639
and it's a good thing to have a failed relationship

797
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:42,000
because that just means you you're not with the one,

798
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:43,920
like you got to you gotta find the next one.

799
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,639
So you have to be able to dust yourself back,

800
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,159
pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on and

801
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:53,480
not let one failure. But even that is the wrong word,

802
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,880
because it's not a failure to have a relationship not

803
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,840
work out, to have to just move on to the breakup.

804
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: Of breakup isn't the breakup. It's for sure for sure,

805
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,599
especially if you're somebody, just because you have to remind

806
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,679
me were you were you Hillsdale? Where'd you go? I

807
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,679
was not Hillsdale.

808
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: No, I wish I were Hillsdale.

809
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,679
Speaker 2: Because we met after Okay, because I went to a

810
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,599
tiny Christian college and I feel like every few years

811
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:23,719
the dating culture there would change, but it was pretty basically.

812
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,719
The dating culture was like you would be friends for

813
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,639
a while and then you'd date, which I think does

814
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,559
have a lot of merit. The joke was that a

815
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,320
lot of times, if a girl and a guy, because

816
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,559
it was a it was a pre law school, so

817
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,920
everybody was in moot court and mock trial except for me.

818
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,400
I was running the school newspaper, I was running around,

819
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,679
I was interviewing the boys I thought was cute. That's

820
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,880
a whole other tactic. But anyways, the joke was like

821
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,280
if a guy and a girl got paired together for

822
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,239
mot court, they were going to date because there's something

823
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,760
about like having a shared purpose and spending time together

824
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,840
and it's like that does bring out those feelings. It's

825
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,559
very interesting, right, They had dating culture at tiny Christian

826
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,280
colleges as like a whole I'll write a whole book

827
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,719
on it. Yeah, yeah, I did the same, Odd's Harvard.

828
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,239
I'll write it.

829
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,199
Speaker 1: And it's a weird subculture.

830
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:20,039
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Speaker 1: Okay, so everybody should go subscribe to the Girl's Guide

842
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,079
because it's a great, great read. Is it still on

843
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,800
a bi weekly basis.

844
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,199
Speaker 2: Yes, bi weekly. I think I'll have one out this Friday,

845
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,559
just kind of, you know, making sure I share the

846
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,920
news about the Chesterton Media Fellowship with all my subsect leaders.

847
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,199
Speaker 1: Awesome, it's one of my favorite things I get in

848
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,320
my inbox. So everybody really should subscribe to The Girl's Guide.

849
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,599
Well worth the read. There's lots of interesting, good, good

850
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,400
stuff in there. How did that start? Because originally the

851
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,480
Girls Guide to DC, which was also super fun, So

852
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,000
how did that come to be here?

853
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: There's been a whole evolution. I mean, basically, I was

854
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,599
working at a a at a corporate news site, and

855
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:34,320
I was like, you know, I don't think working and

856
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,239
breaking news is going to be my forever. I really

857
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,239
love fashion, I love pop culture, I love film. I

858
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,360
am also interested in politics. You know. That was my

859
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,880
day to day. But I was like, it would be

860
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,559
so fun to start something that kind of like melded

861
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,519
all of this and I and I enjoy humor. You know,

862
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,320
not everyone in my family thinks I'm funny. Not all

863
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,440
of them will laugh, but sometimes I get a pity laugh.

864
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:01,920
So so I also enjoy like kind of riffing on

865
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,719
the news things like that. So it's like, oh my goodness,

866
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Like the title just came to me The Girly Girl's

867
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,400
Guide to d C, which even people didn't realize girly

868
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,079
girl was tongue in cheek because I'm like, I just

869
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:13,719
learned how to put on an eyeliner, Like I'm not

870
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,440
that girl, Like I love, I love girly things, but

871
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,480
I wouldn't say I identify as like a super girly

872
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:23,519
girl or like glam or whatever. But anyway, so I

873
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:26,719
titled the Girly Girl's Guide to DC. I had multiple

874
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,559
women inform me that they weren't girly girls so they

875
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,360
couldn't read it. And I was like, oh, you don't

876
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,159
get it, Okay, I'll change the name. And I was

877
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,079
living in DC at the time. I was still single

878
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,440
and stuff, I was not married, and so I changed

879
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,280
it to the Girl's Guide to DC. And yeah, the

880
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,400
fun thing was, you know, a big part of what

881
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,960
I do is every newsletter has an interview with an

882
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:51,679
interesting woman, and my criteria for picking her is my

883
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,199
one criterion is probably just what I want my little

884
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,000
sister to take advice from her, Like that's my one criterion.

885
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,880
So at this point it's now just the Girl's Guide.

886
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,280
Because I'm no longer in DC, I'm not trying to

887
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,000
like limit my news to certain geography. We've got readers

888
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,880
from all over. I've interviewed people from Australia actually, but

889
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:15,760
so just still keeping up those interviews with really interesting

890
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,039
women who are good role models. I riff on news

891
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,719
pretty much, any pop culture news. You know. I'm covering

892
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,559
Addison Ray, I'm covering Lana del Rey, I'm covering everything,

893
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,039
you know. I'm keeping up with that, even though you know,

894
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,119
it's getting a little harder now that I don't know

895
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:37,119
what six seven means. I don't know what the words me,

896
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,400
but I'm doing my best. Pop culture is not for

897
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,679
me anymore, but I'm trying having fun with it. But yeah,

898
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,719
just keeping on going and I share my thoughts on

899
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,960
just you know, whatever I think people need to hear

900
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,800
that week. But yeah, thank you. I'm glad you still

901
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,360
do it. I'm so apprais, I really do.

902
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,079
Speaker 1: I love it. Every time it's in my inbox on

903
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,159
a Friday, I like open it and a tab to

904
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:01,920
read as soon as I'm done with whatever work thing

905
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,760
I'm working on. And it's just there's always something I

906
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,039
enjoy the interviews. There's always a lot of good pop

907
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,280
culture stuff, but then also just fun things about your

908
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,280
hobbies like thrifting and other things like I'm always learning

909
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,000
something and I've I've taken gift advice from it as well.

910
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,880
There's often gift guides or like recommendations. There so really

911
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,199
really good stuff and it's very clever, it's very witty.

912
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,239
I love it, even the titles that you come up with.

913
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,639
I'm just like go Eby. It's it's it's super fun.

914
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,079
Everybody should go subscribe to it.

915
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, I think you can find it. It's

916
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,519
under my maiden name if you look up the Girls

917
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,599
Guide substack. I think you can find it as g

918
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,280
I R. L aposhaps But it's also I think evfordum

919
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,039
dot substack dot com because it's still registered under my

920
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:48,320
maiden name. Which that's a whole other brant I have,

921
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,679
which is, don't register things under your maiden name. If

922
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,800
you're a writer, you have to change everything. Yeah, do

923
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,760
your misname do something fun. Anyways, that's a whole nother band.

924
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: It's the worst, truly the worst.

925
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

926
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: I did actually look it up right before we hopped

927
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,760
on and I googled it and it was the first

928
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,880
thing that came up under the Girl's Guide substack, so

929
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,840
it should be pretty easy for people to find it.

930
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,079
So so let's talk about a little bit of your

931
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,679
hobbies now, just because I'd rather get into some more

932
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,119
fun stuff, let's talk fashion. I would love to know

933
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:20,159
how you discovered and developed your own style.

934
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,639
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Uh So, first, I'm gonna tell a

935
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:27,519
really sad story, which is a reporter from a really

936
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,159
major outlet reached out to talk to me about fashion

937
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,519
recently and I missed it because I don't check LinkedIn.

938
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,840
Oh man, I don't get notifications. LinkedIn is angry at

939
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,800
me for some reason. They think my email doesn't exist,

940
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,400
and so I don't get no, And I was like,

941
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:45,519
oh no, I would have loved to talk to this

942
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,599
reporter about like conservatives and fashion and like whatever the

943
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:52,679
heck's happening there. Some I'm so sad, So check LinkedIn, guys,

944
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,920
check your LinkedIn message. I never check it. There'd be

945
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,119
some interesting stuff. I got it like a day after

946
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:03,440
her deadline. I was like, you know, so sad, but yeah,

947
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,159
I'm somebody who like I mean, I grew up homeschooled.

948
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,920
I was not a fashion plate, like the definition of

949
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,519
not a fashion plate. But I almost think that's better

950
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,559
that you're not immersed in like trends. Basically, my mom

951
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,079
is somebody who's like pretty crafty. She can sew. She'd like,

952
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,400
you know, sw us and out that we were little,

953
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,079
or like taught us how to sew. We would like

954
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:28,119
sew really simple skirts like stuff like that. So I

955
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,519
was somebody who just like I didn't really care about

956
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,079
fitting in at school because all my friends were homeschooled,

957
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,360
and lord knows what we were wearing, you know. I

958
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,519
was just somebody who just like messed around. I liked

959
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,480
vintage fashion. I really liked I don't know if this

960
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,519
was the case for you when you were growing up,

961
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:49,360
but silver was in, gold was out, and I was

962
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:52,840
I was like, oh, I'm a gold girl. I'm so

963
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,280
so I like very much. Was like, I'm a gold girl. Uh.

964
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:00,800
And now I'm like reading articles, are you gold or silver?

965
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,280
I'm like, now I'm both because I don't have time

966
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,719
to worry I know matching.

967
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: I have to be both because my color, like my

968
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,519
tone is cool, so I really should be wearing silver,

969
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,960
but gold is what's in. And my wedding ring is silver, Well,

970
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,239
it's white gold, but I wear gold, and so I

971
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,159
have to tie it all together with my watch, which

972
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:24,559
is silver and gold. I think we make it all work.

973
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:26,599
But I'm like, if I were really, if I were

974
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,880
really going, based on my undertnes, it should be silver.

975
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,519
But I just can't get rid of the gold earrings.

976
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:32,320
I just it's my favorite.

977
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,119
Speaker 2: I think they look great. Oh my gosh, I think

978
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:37,880
a lot of those rules are a little too. It's like,

979
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,039
if it helps me kind of pull things together, that's

980
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:42,800
great joy.

981
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,159
Speaker 1: If you like to look at it.

982
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,079
Speaker 2: Yes, it sparks joy. Oh my goodness, earrings spark joy.

983
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:51,440
I love ear Shout out at Clara joe y'all look

984
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,880
her up. But she's another gal who was in DC

985
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,440
at one point and sells ear rings. So I'm not

986
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,239
wearing any today to clip with my AirPods, but so

987
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:09,360
thoughtful good problem before. But normally, if I'm doing a

988
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,519
media apparance, I'd be wearing her earrings. But yeah, no,

989
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,639
I was just somebody who, like I had like photo

990
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,239
books of old Hollywood starlets, and it's like you're looking

991
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,679
at how well made clothing was and how tailored it

992
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,599
was and how fitted and you see the quality of fabrics,

993
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,239
and I was like, I love this, Like I don't

994
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480
really know it or understand it or have it in

995
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,320
my closet, but I love it. And so I was

996
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,480
really attracted to just like learning more about fashion and stuff.

997
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,320
Was I practicing it? Not really. I was thrifting and

998
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,480
thinking I was and trying to find stuff that wasn't polyester.

999
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:49,280
But the beautiful thing is, you know, I feel like

1000
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,400
there's still so much good stuff at their stores. Like

1001
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,679
I always I'm like, don't be grossed out. Even the

1002
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:58,440
grossest ones have some gems. And that's my favorite part

1003
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,039
is going to a really nasty, organized stref storm, being

1004
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,239
like I found a Jim look at this vintage vintage

1005
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,920
top or this vintage So just kind of like observing

1006
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,000
because I think the downfall of fast fashion probably happened

1007
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,199
when you and I were like coming through, probably as

1008
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,679
we were hitting our teenage years. It's like everything started

1009
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,199
to become you know, you had fast fashion like at Target,

1010
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,239
and it was relatively quality. You know, the seams were

1011
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,360
in the right places, they didn't unravel immediately, and I

1012
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,239
feel like things have really fallen off, and it's really

1013
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,960
hard at a normal price point to find quality stuff.

1014
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,159
I don't feel like I'm the only person saying that,

1015
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,360
but you know, I think it's really interesting. There's so

1016
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,760
many places you can educate yourself online. You can learn

1017
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,880
more about materials, how to care for them, what materials

1018
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,920
you'll probably enjoy wearing, what materials will probably work with

1019
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,079
your lifestyle. Best kind of ways to you don't have

1020
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,159
to learn how to become a seamstress or a tailor,

1021
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:56,840
but ways to spot if a garment is well made.

1022
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,920
Ways to just kind of accept like, Okay, like maybe

1023
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,599
I love this trend, but I'm not going to like

1024
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,840
a dress that hits me at X part of my leg,

1025
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,199
Like I'm gonna want it shorter, I'm gonna want it longer,

1026
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,880
and just kind of accept that, like you're just always

1027
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,039
going to be more comfortable or feel more confident in

1028
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:18,960
certain silhouettes. And even just the fact that you could

1029
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,320
take one dress and it looks horrible on you, you

1030
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,679
take it to a tailor and they just get everything

1031
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,400
to fit right. Like our society has lost tailoring, yes,

1032
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,000
and that can be a huge mismatch in how people

1033
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,880
feel confident in their clothes. It's not your fault, like

1034
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,960
the clothes we wear are just like they're not made

1035
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,039
to make you look your best. They're not made to

1036
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:47,079
enhance and compress and hold in and accentuate. It's just

1037
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,159
kind of like here's a fabric cylinder, you know. So

1038
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,400
I feel like women also get really discouraged because you know,

1039
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:56,679
you could be handed two different dresses and maybe they

1040
00:52:56,679 --> 00:53:00,440
have the same label on the size, and they can

1041
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,920
make you feel too completely different ways about yourself because

1042
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,280
one is made to flatter you and you know, move

1043
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,760
with you, and the other one is not. So I

1044
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,559
just encourage people to just kind of there's just so

1045
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,760
many resources online. You can literally watch YouTube shorts about

1046
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,039
this and just kind of realize like, oh, it's not

1047
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,280
my fault that I don't like walk into the store

1048
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,559
and feel confident in everything. It's that you really have

1049
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,159
to learn to be a curator. So yes, anyways, ran over. No,

1050
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,320
I love it. It's an interesting it's such an interesting topic.

1051
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:32,679
Speaker 1: Do you still sew? Do you do much alteration on

1052
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,360
your own clothes?

1053
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: So not a time because I'm such a because I'm

1054
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,239
such like I'll say it, I'm a thrifting addict. I'm

1055
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,039
basically like if it, and I have I wouldn't say

1056
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,599
I have an obscene amount of clothes, but I have

1057
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:51,480
a close collection, and so I'm pretty much I know

1058
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,440
my measurements. I know that I'm going to be too

1059
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,480
lazy to take it over to my mom's a mess

1060
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,440
around with the sewing machine, or take it to a tailor.

1061
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,039
I also I've had to get some like bridesmaid stuff

1062
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:05,440
tailored recently, and I was not impressed. I'm like, why

1063
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,639
am I paying you? As a like I could have

1064
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:11,519
done this, what that? But so I'm at the point

1065
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:13,599
where I'm like, I'm just gonna buy stuff if it

1066
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,880
already fits me, because I already have so much. But

1067
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,280
I think, especially if you're in like any kind of

1068
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,360
a metro area, you can find a good tailor and

1069
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,480
it will help you become much more confident because things

1070
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,800
will just be made to fit your body. Everybody's bodies

1071
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,320
are so different, and we have different like comfortability levels

1072
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,199
with you know, the hymn lines, we like, the necklines,

1073
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,599
we like, you know. And so I feel like there's

1074
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,280
been so many girls who are just finding cool materials

1075
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,360
and cool like kind of raw inspiration at thrift stores

1076
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,840
and taking dresses into tailors and getting things just made

1077
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,360
slightly different. I watched a video the other day and

1078
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,440
a gal like just slightly changed a neckline and it

1079
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:58,599
like changed the whole dress and you're like wow, And

1080
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,559
so not everybody's going to be able to develop and

1081
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:02,199
I like that. But if you're able to find in

1082
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,920
a tailor or just kind of realize, like, let me

1083
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,199
lean into what really does make me feel confident, I

1084
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:08,639
feel like that's that's a way win.

1085
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,599
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is a related topic, but not totally on

1086
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:18,119
a scale of one to ten. How crunchy are you.

1087
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: In the Maha?

1088
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, era, you.

1089
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: Know have figured it out? Okay, No, because even I

1090
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,400
love to write about Maha. That's been a really fun

1091
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,559
thing for me to write about. But I also appreciate

1092
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:35,280
the people and the commentators. I'll shout out. I'll shout

1093
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,320
out Laura Dellano who wrote her memoir Unshrunk, which everybody

1094
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,679
should go read, and she kind of exposes a lot

1095
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,840
of lies that we have been told and sold about

1096
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,920
the pharmaceutical industry and she tells her own story which

1097
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,960
is really raw and really real. But you know, we

1098
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:58,199
can't replace, you know, reliance on pharmaceuical industry with like, Okay,

1099
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:02,639
we're taking all of their advertisement and mass messaging. And

1100
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,440
now we're taking like the self care industry, which I

1101
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,039
think crunchy world is a part of in some ways,

1102
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,519
and we're taking all of that messaging. Like you really

1103
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,679
have to, you know, understand where you are and what

1104
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,280
you can handle and what you can do. It's been

1105
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,199
such an interesting world to be a part of. But yeah,

1106
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,679
I mean crunchy levels. I had two children at home,

1107
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:27,760
never give a birth in a hospital. People think that's crunchy.

1108
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,239
I'm also the first person to say, probably part of

1109
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,400
it's luck. I just kind of like knew. A lot

1110
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,039
of women in my family were like, oh, like I didn't.

1111
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,679
I literally had my child too fast to have an

1112
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,559
epidurl It was fine, you know. So I'm somebody who's like,

1113
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,159
I've never had an epidural. Also, maybe there'll be a

1114
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:52,719
time when I do want one, Like let's just be

1115
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,400
open here. I've been blessed that, you know, both my

1116
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,400
children were born and we were healthy. Uh. And I

1117
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,199
honestly feel like I am a crazy person for doing that.

1118
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,159
And I think if you approach it is like, yeah,

1119
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:11,760
I am a crazy person, you know. Uh, you know,

1120
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,000
it kind of cuts down a lot of the like tension. So, yeah,

1121
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,679
I had two gets home. I've written about it, I've

1122
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:20,440
I've spoken on podcasts about it, you know, I've it's

1123
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,760
it's a topic I want to cover more, just because

1124
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:28,079
people are really unhappy with with hospital birth. Birth centers

1125
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,800
I feel like are great, happy medium, but they're also

1126
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,440
for a lot of people in a lot of areas

1127
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,239
or at a lot of price points, they're not super accessible.

1128
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,079
So that's another interesting thing. You know, even quality midwives

1129
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:43,039
that can be hard to be accessible depending on where

1130
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,039
you are, depending on what your budget is. You know,

1131
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,760
most likely your insurance isn't going to cover it. So

1132
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,480
it's it's tough, you know. I'm sure you're thinking through

1133
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,760
all these things and it's just you know, interesting stuff.

1134
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,840
But yeah, the crunchy that probably puts me up here.

1135
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,199
The fact that I will I threw in hand my

1136
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,960
kids McDonald's fries to eat in their car seats that

1137
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,440
are both front facing, that probably puts me down here. Uh.

1138
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,599
The fact that I will not wear polyester probably puts

1139
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:13,440
me up here. But then it's because it's more of

1140
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,880
a sensory thing and not even like a like, I'm

1141
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,039
so that moves you back down. That moves me back down,

1142
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:21,880
because it's purely sensory. It's not like I'm like, ah,

1143
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,199
the microplassics. I'm literally like, I am sweating. This doesn't

1144
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:28,679
look good on me. No, I've actually been so weird

1145
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:33,239
about polyester since I was a child. God is way ahead.

1146
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:35,599
I was a head of curve. I was like, Mom,

1147
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:37,880
do not put me in that. I'm like five ers.

1148
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,599
I'm like, m m, don't put me in that fleece.

1149
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,800
I can't take it. But yeah, it's it's an interesting

1150
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,480
it's an interesting world and and so crunchy world. I

1151
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,679
feel like crunchy world. I am a big fan of

1152
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:55,800
Alex Clark. I think a lot of her podcasts are

1153
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,639
really informative, and I think kind of her messaging so helpful.

1154
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:01,760
I think a lot of her messaging about Maha as

1155
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,760
a voting block I think is really fascinating and I

1156
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,920
think it's worth people tuning into that. I interviewed Mark Gorton,

1157
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,840
who is at the time I'm pretty sure he still

1158
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,400
is co president of the Maha Institute, a big funder

1159
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,360
of the MAHA pack like RFK, Junior Booster and I

1160
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,480
kind of post that question to him, like is Maha

1161
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:29,559
voting block like last summer, and he was like, yeah,

1162
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:33,239
yes it is, you know. And so it's really it's

1163
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:37,639
really an interesting world to follow because you know, obviously

1164
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:42,000
people are identifying a lot with r F K Junior

1165
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,519
and that world, they're also identifying a lot with Trump.

1166
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,079
Some of them are becoming I'm trying to think of

1167
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:51,440
the word disillusioned, which I'm kind of like, welcome to politics.

1168
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,400
But it's it's a fascinating world. So I'm excited to

1169
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,119
do some more reporting about it. But I feel like

1170
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,719
people kind of fever pitch of like, hey, let's all

1171
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,519
be purest I feel like that probably that bubble has

1172
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,079
probably burst, Like it's still really good for people to

1173
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:14,880
remember that, like you know, you can chart your own course. Yes, yes,

1174
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:20,480
you know it's hard if you haven't like grown up

1175
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,320
that way, but you can take small steps and like

1176
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,400
do that that's healthier for you. And yes, literally taking

1177
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,199
your kids on a walk, like you know what, you go,

1178
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,599
you get the Mah stamp, you get the crunchy stamp.

1179
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,880
And yes, I'm not periphery of these things, but if anything, I.

1180
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,239
Speaker 1: Think, yeah, getting away from the you know, purest mindset

1181
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,000
of it is so helpful because you really can chart

1182
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:49,599
a healthier path for yourself and it's not an all

1183
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:54,239
or nothing. And I mean I try to be as

1184
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,519
holistic and non toxic as I can, and that just

1185
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:02,960
is constantly evolving. I was raised in a home where

1186
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:06,159
we kept our leftovers in plastic and then probably popped

1187
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:08,719
them in the microwave in that same plastic. And I

1188
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,719
mean it was like very very toxic home. We cooked

1189
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,880
on tefla and like it was you know, very We

1190
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:20,239
trusted doctors, we you know, were totally like into normal

1191
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,000
pharmaceuticals whatever. And I think a lot of that at

1192
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,159
the time was just you just don't. We just didn't

1193
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:29,119
know any better than that. Yeah, And now you know,

1194
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:33,159
it started with getting rid of all of our plastic tupperware.

1195
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,519
Now we store everything in glass. And then it was okay,

1196
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,440
we're not going to cook on nonstick anymore. Now we're

1197
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,719
going to use cast iron and stainless steel. And you know,

1198
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,280
my latest is because I love, I so love a

1199
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,639
Yankee candle, it's been getting rid of my toxic candles

1200
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,719
and moving to something that's more non toxic than that,

1201
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,159
you know, air purifiers, and so it's just like little things,

1202
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:57,960
and every time you make one swap, you integrate it.

1203
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,719
It just becomes part of your everyday life. And then

1204
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,760
it's like, Okay, this is the norm now, so it's

1205
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,440
not hard to make that swap anymore because we're doing

1206
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,480
the thing. And then you make the next swap. And

1207
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,639
another one was seed oils, like we cook in beef

1208
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:14,119
tallow now or avocado oil or some other oil, and

1209
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,679
I just don't even think about seed oils anymore, whereas

1210
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,000
before it was like I couldn't imagine not, you know,

1211
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,079
baking with vegetable oil, and now it's like, I just

1212
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,239
the thought doesn't even cross my mind because we've made

1213
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,679
this swap, but the thought of doing it all at

1214
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:28,840
once is really overwhelming. So it's helpful not to think

1215
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,280
about being crunchy in terms of all or nothing.

1216
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: So I think, so, yeah, I can be evolving because

1217
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,599
even because even a big part of it is just well,

1218
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:41,679
I'll shout out your former federalist colleague trist and Justice

1219
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,880
for his book, which I enjoyed, which, of course I'm

1220
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,800
not remembering the title, which is unhappy. Yes, I will

1221
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,079
review an entire book and then I'll go I don't

1222
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:58,800
remember the title. It's horrible, Blenny, it's horrible, but I remember,

1223
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,239
you know. But but just talking about how far a

1224
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,320
field of the way we're supposed to be treating our bodies,

1225
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:11,000
we're treating our bodies in industrial society, and you can't

1226
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,880
you can't reclaim everything because guess what, there's also advantages

1227
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,320
to industrial society. I like not getting eaten by a bear.

1228
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:21,239
I think that's really good for me. So so it's all,

1229
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,239
you know, it's all you know, it all balances out.

1230
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,400
But yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

1231
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:30,559
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of books, because I this is gonna be

1232
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:31,960
my last thing, and then I have to let you

1233
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,000
go because we I mean, we could talk for hours,

1234
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:36,880
but we we've taken enough time. So I want to

1235
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,320
do a couple of rapid fire questions to close out.

1236
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,599
What is the best book that you've read in the

1237
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,800
last six months? And what are you reading right now?

1238
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh my, well, let's start with what I'm reading right now,

1239
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,840
because oh it's hard for me to pick. Okay, I've

1240
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,760
got some I like to call them like my yeah,

1241
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,039
my like review copies. So I've got a couple books. Unfortunately,

1242
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:02,440
I don't know if this will show up right for

1243
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,719
your viewers. But so we've got Girls by Freda India.

1244
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,079
So that one is coming out in the US this summer.

1245
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:12,199
It's already out in the UK, I believe. So they

1246
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:14,519
were kind enough to send me that for review. And

1247
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,639
then in the American Conservative, where I do a lot

1248
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,800
of book reviews, I'll be doing like follow subscribe Influencer

1249
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,599
Kids and The Cost of a Childhood online and this

1250
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:28,880
one fascinating good journalism. Read it. She's on substack for

1251
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,880
Tesla Latifi. And you know, one thing I really love

1252
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,360
about doing book reviews, and I love about you know, tech,

1253
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,199
And I'm sure the federalists would be like this too.

1254
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,400
You can if it's not fiction journalism, it doesn't matter

1255
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,440
if someone's coming from the left or the right. There's

1256
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:45,880
gonna be interesting nuggets in there. So you know, for

1257
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,039
Tesla Latifi is probably somebody who well she does. She

1258
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,840
does kind of like throw in some lines about Trump

1259
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,840
in her book. But it's like, Okay, well you write

1260
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,719
for Rolling Stone. I'm not surprised you do good work.

1261
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,800
Like let's let's roll oh, let's let's hear, let's see

1262
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,519
what you're you're doing. And an interesting thing about this

1263
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:10,559
book is, so she's interviewing children who grow up as influencers.

1264
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,239
Their parents are influencers, you know, oftentimes they're kind of

1265
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,679
the centerpiece of the influencing and how that's kind of

1266
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:20,400
our new right, our new commercial Like instead of watching

1267
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,760
commercials on TV, people tune in to these influencers, right,

1268
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,880
that's not even new anymore. But so a lot of

1269
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,119
them are adults now, and so she's talking to the

1270
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:33,159
adults about what they experienced. She's navigating journalistic ethics in

1271
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:36,480
order to interview current child influencers, which is a really

1272
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,960
tenuous lined across because you know, you're having to go

1273
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,719
through parents and you're having to make sure you're you know,

1274
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:47,880
above board and in all those ways. So she interviews

1275
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,360
people who are under eighteen in the book too, and

1276
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,159
I think she does a good job setting all of

1277
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:58,239
that up. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting because it

1278
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,559
gives you, as like a parent, thought of how you

1279
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:03,360
want to share your children online things like that. But

1280
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,760
it also really gets into like, Okay, if I'm tuning

1281
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,159
into a family vlog, I'm giving money to you know,

1282
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,920
YouTube or meta or whoever it may be. I'm giving

1283
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,800
them all my data. Like, it's just a very eye

1284
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,480
opening you know, if it's free, you're the product, your data,

1285
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,000
what you're likely to buy, who you listen to. Like,

1286
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,760
that's what these big tech companies are interested in, and

1287
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,440
they're really interested in keeping this whole child influencer, family,

1288
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,719
influencer industrial complex going. So anyways, I won't give out

1289
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,639
too much of kind of what my take was in

1290
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:42,679
my book review, which might make people mad when they

1291
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,400
read it. They might get mad at me, but I

1292
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,320
welcome it. I welcome all feedback, and I welcome all

1293
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,199
clicks because at heart I am a yellow journalist. Not

1294
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:55,119
I'm kidding. You better shut that out. No, I'm kidding.

1295
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,159
Keep it in there, but people read it. Tell me

1296
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:00,320
if you're mad about what I say, but that'll be

1297
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,360
out soon. Okay, great, we have girls, which kind of

1298
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,679
going back to your dating your dating question, I won't

1299
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:10,280
take too much of your time, but an interesting book

1300
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,599
on how kind of our online culture is reflecting and reflecting,

1301
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:20,559
refracting and kind of distorting our irl culture, including dating.

1302
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:27,079
So yeah, okay, yeah, really good stuff, and keep.

1303
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: Your eyes open for her reviews of those books, because

1304
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,960
she doesn't write great reviews, so read the books, but

1305
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:34,679
also yeah, look for her reviews. Okay, a couple more

1306
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,639
rapid fire, these are going to be quicker. What is

1307
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:39,360
your favorite thrift find right now?

1308
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:46,679
Speaker 2: Ooh? So I just got into eBay because you can

1309
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:50,440
find better stuff, and so I like, I will like

1310
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:53,559
visualize what I want, and I was like, I want

1311
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:57,159
like a Christmasy red like plaid, but like pretty long

1312
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,320
like shirt dress because I feel like anything with a

1313
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,920
collar you feel more polished. So I found this like

1314
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:09,840
vintage Elizabeth Lauren like red plaid one hundred percent cotton dress,

1315
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,320
and then I found like the perfect belt to go

1316
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,039
with it, and I look like I'm from the eighties

1317
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:17,720
and I don't care. It's a good look. But unfortunately

1318
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,039
I bought it after Christmas. I think that's why I

1319
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:22,800
was able to get a steal on it, so I

1320
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,039
have to wait until next year to wear it to

1321
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:26,479
Christmas parties because it's like it's like it looks like

1322
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,039
Christmas wrapping paper, but like in the best way. So

1323
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,840
that's a fun one. I'm counting eBay today. I'm being generous.

1324
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,079
I'm counting eBay is thrifting.

1325
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: Wow, eBay, I love that you are so into eBay,

1326
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:41,039
like decades after everyone else was into each exactly.

1327
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:45,319
Speaker 2: I love that, exactly what my eBay arc love.

1328
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: What are you watching right now?

1329
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 2: What am I watching right now? Ooh, you know what?

1330
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:56,840
I actually do watch Avid Elementary. Okay, you know what

1331
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:57,560
I'm talking about.

1332
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,079
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about, but I don't watch.

1333
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's good. I just started watching season five.

1334
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:06,560
I will just put that on in fold laundry, Okay.

1335
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,279
And I like that. The gal I don't remember her name.

1336
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,680
I should remember her name. I only know her character's name.

1337
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,800
But so the gal who plays the main character, I'm

1338
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,680
pretty sure writes the sitcom like she's kind of a showrunner.

1339
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:23,079
I'm pretty sure. No, it's it's Quinta Brunson is her name. Okay,

1340
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,520
So she's around, she does s and l I think,

1341
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,640
and she does all kinds of things. But so she

1342
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:34,399
writes it. Ah, the guy who played Everybody hates Chris,

1343
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,960
the guy who played Chris and everybody hates Chris years

1344
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,920
ago is also he's the best part of it. But

1345
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:43,159
I'm enjoying it. I don't feel like season five like

1346
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,479
they've kind of put everybody through everything they can put

1347
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,520
them through Season five has been a little bit like

1348
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,880
off the wall, like what people really do? This? Would

1349
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,279
they really get into like a blood feud because someone

1350
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:59,760
keeps running the teacher's lounge dishwasher with one dish and

1351
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,239
it is that really the plot point where I go

1352
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:05,640
with But watch some of the early seasons, I think

1353
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,680
it's funny. I love it.

1354
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see your favorite candle scent.

1355
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I'm gonna confess that I actually grew

1356
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,600
up in a really crunchy house and it was like

1357
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,880
an anti fragrance house. Okay, like genuinely.

1358
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,399
Speaker 1: You're you're so ahead of the curve.

1359
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: I was. So I literally literally grew up in like

1360
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:31,520
an anti fragrance house. I'm like, so now I'm like

1361
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,159
really weird about fragrances.

1362
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: You were so ahead of a curve, I'm you your

1363
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,119
crunchy score, it just went so far back up again.

1364
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:41,039
Speaker 2: Parting it to my mom and I both think that

1365
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:43,720
we just like genetically don't have much of a sense

1366
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,479
of smell. So it's also like not something we miss

1367
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,039
a lot, Like I'm just not a smell person.

1368
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,319
Speaker 1: So you also had COVID nos way before anybody else

1369
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:51,960
I did.

1370
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, COVID hits, and I'm like, y'all are just experiencing

1371
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,319
what my word, Yeah, I have a sense of smell.

1372
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,840
I'm trying to think of what I like. I will

1373
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,319
like like a warm vanilla sugar. I'll like a whiff

1374
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:06,439
of that. I'll like a whiff of that. But then

1375
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,319
it's it's like a too rich dessert. Then I like

1376
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,119
smell it for more than two seconds and I'm like, oh,

1377
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:15,119
I'm sick. So it's a good time. But yeah, now

1378
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:19,199
join me in my horrible, sad world of no fragrance.

1379
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: Hey, okay, well are trending that way?

1380
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, it makes you happy.

1381
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,520
Speaker 1: Okay, how about your go to coffee shop order?

1382
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,359
Speaker 2: Oh so we have a local shop out where we

1383
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:36,319
are that just got macha. Oh my gosh, macha recently, yes,

1384
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,680
And I was like, oh, this is not your Starbucks macha.

1385
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,720
This is really good. Had like some honey and some

1386
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,039
vanilla and mixed in there with the milk, and it

1387
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:49,000
was iced and it was a day that was actually warm,

1388
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:51,560
and I was like, oh, this is really good. I'm

1389
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,479
moving to La. I'm gonna be marijuana girly or whatever

1390
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,079
that is. I was like, this is good.

1391
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: I have always liked Macha, but that has my go

1392
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,760
to drink at my local coffee shop. They make him

1393
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,279
so well and I cannot get enough. It is I've

1394
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:06,520
had it.

1395
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,319
Speaker 2: They put there, he was put our friend owns the shop.

1396
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:11,680
He was putting his whole soul into making sure it

1397
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,279
was good. I was like, alulyah, I love that.

1398
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 1: Okay, very last question before I let you go, what

1399
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,000
is your favorite Twitter follow?

1400
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,279
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, Oh that's maybe one.

1401
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:24,119
Speaker 1: Of your top one of your top ten.

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Speaker 2: I will shout him out because I just think it's

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a question that people have, and I feel like he

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or an issue that people have. I will shout out

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Bobby fi On, who came on my husband's podcast recently,

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Moment of Truth, and he's at the American Housing Corporation,

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and so they are like actually figuring out, like hey,

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let's make pro family housing, and let's put it in

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places where people want to live and work, and let's

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make it affordable. So his Twitter goes crazy. They do

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lots of you know, explainers and events and all kinds

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of stuff. So like, I find it very fascinating. I

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think it's fascinating with people just get in there and

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start doing things so I'll shout out Bobby because he's

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he's actually got his face on there. I'm like, actually,

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some of my favorite Twitter followers are probably just like

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people who like their profile picture is like iced coffee

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and they're like, I had a bad day and then

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they have like a foot You're like, oh, I'm laughing. Thanks,

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thanks reincarnated spirit of Norm MacDonald. You know. But yeah,

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I'll shout out Bobby. Bobby's got a good X and

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he's really positive, and I feel like it's just nice

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to have somebody with a positive vision, right, which is

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to tie it all back up what we're doing at

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the Chester Two Media Films. Yes, yes, so positive vision. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find the fellowship or apply to the Fellowship?

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Where can they follow you online? Besides the Girl's Guide,

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which again everybody needs to go subscribe to the Girl's Guide,

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But where can they find you? Where can they find

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the media Fellowship?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll give myself first. I'm at ev Solheim

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so E V I E S O, L H G

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I M. That's on Instagram, that's on X and yeah,

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follow us on New Guard Press. You can get in

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touch with me. I'll give you my email. E v

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E v I E at New Guardpress dot com if

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you want to apply to our fellowship. We've already got

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a pretty strong class that we're gonna be parsing through

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in the coming days. But it never hurts to put

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yourself out there, So get in touch with me if

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you think you'd be a good fit and you'd like

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to do a six month fellowship and have your offense

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placed at impressive outlets. And yeah, just follow New guard

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Press on all their things. They're on LinkedIn, they're on Facebook,

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they're on Instagram, they're on x and they love reader

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feedback and welcome submissions. So awesome, TB.

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Speaker 1: It has been so fun talking to you. I'd love

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to reconnect and just yeah, just shoot the breeze and

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hear more about what you're doing now. Congrats on your

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new gig, thanks for joining me and everybody go follow

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ev on all of the platforms that she just said.

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Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode

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of The Kylie Cast. If you haven't done so already,

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please like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Leave

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us a five star review. It is truly such an

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easy way that you can help out the show. As always,

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I will be back next week with more so until then,

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just remember the truth hurts, but it won't kill you.