WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.919 All right, what's going on? It is drivetime on a 2 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:05.839 Monday afternoon. It's about eight minutes past the hour, two o'clock. 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:09.000 Little chilly today, a little cold today, little cloudy today, 4 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.000 had some rain in the forecast yesterday. 5 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:14.279 It's gonna be a little bit chilly tomorrow before warming 6 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:15.119 up throughout the. 7 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.160 Course of the week into the weekend where we're gonna 8 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:21.480 have temperatures reaching eighty degrees. But as it is every 9 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:23.800 single day, it's going to have you along for the ride. 10 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:25.039 It's Bence Check. It's behind the mic. 11 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:26.199 That is Porter. 12 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:30.000 Larsen behind the glass today producing the program as we 13 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:32.920 have a lot to do on a busy Monday afternoon. 14 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.840 Where some unexpected news broke earlier today that the Utah 15 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.840 Jazz have agreed to a contract extension with their head 16 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:42.560 coach Will Hardy through the year of two thousand and 17 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:46.600 thirty one. And honestly, this is somewhat unprecedented. We're gonna 18 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:47.240 talk about. 19 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:47.920 It on the show today. 20 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:51.640 Will was hired prior to the twenty twenty two season 21 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:54.159 after Quinn Snyder decided he did not want to work 22 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.039 for this new ownership group. And so this means Will 23 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.439 Hardy's gonna have a nine year runway as a coach 24 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.719 in the NBA before he is potentially unemployed unless something 25 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:08.400 wild happens prior to twenty thirty one. I think this 26 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:10.719 is a no brainer for the Utah Jazz. I think 27 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.480 this is a really interesting decision from Will himself, and 28 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:15.879 I'll tell you why. We'll get into it on the 29 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:20.319 show today. One week from today is the next day 30 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.400 that is interesting for the fan base of the Utah Jazz. 31 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.159 NBA Draft lottery coming up one week from this Monday, 32 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:29.799 next Monday, and we will have it live for you 33 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.799 during the five o'clock hour this radio show. So that's 34 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.159 when we will learn where the Utah Jazz will select, 35 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.519 and then we'll have a pretty good idea of who 36 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:42.239 the Jazz are going to be able to pick based 37 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.879 off of simply their positioning. It does seem like the 38 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.799 top five in order is somewhat of a consensus. Of course, 39 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.000 the NBA Draft comes right ound June the twenty fifth. 40 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.480 We will have great NBA Draft coverage at night potentially 41 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.680 out at about on location for Jazz fans to. 42 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.439 Come hang out with us to watch round of the 43 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:01.159 NBA Draft. 44 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.000 Remember, NBA Draft is now two day events and used 45 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.640 to be that way, so he got Round one on 46 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.759 the twenty fifth and Round two on the twenty six. 47 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.840 The second round will actually be during our regular scheduled 48 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:16.080 programming on the twenty six, so we'll kind of stave 49 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.520 Frost to keep an eye to find out what the 50 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:19.639 Jazz is gonna do because they have. 51 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.000 A couple of second round picks. 52 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.599 As well, So some Jazz news coming down today. An 53 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:30.360 unbelievable weekend of playoff action in both the NBA and 54 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.280 the NHL. Couple of Game sevens in the NHL saw 55 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:39.120 some unbelievable finishes hearts and mallows, to use the soccer term. 56 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.639 Both the Stars and the Jets needed late game heroics 57 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:43.520 to get past the Avalanche and the Blues, and now 58 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:44.960 those two teams advance. 59 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.439 On for Round two. 60 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.120 The Panthers and the Maple Leaves will play tonight. It 61 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.759 is the first game of the second round, as those 62 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.000 two teams have advanced in the world of pro basketball. 63 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.479 The second round begins tonight as well. Out East at 64 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.159 five o'clock on the New York Knicks take their active 65 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:04.759 on the road to the TD Garden to take on 66 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.240 the Boston Celtics. This could not be a worst matchup 67 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.199 for the Knicks. We'll get into it, of course, some playoffs. 68 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:14.319 And then the Nuggets, after embarrassing the LA Clippers at 69 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.960 Ball Arena Game seven over the weekend, they advance on 70 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:18.479 to take on the number one seed out of the 71 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:23.599 Westoma City Thunder at Paycom Center and ok C Oklahoma. 72 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:26.800 So a couple of game once tonight in the world 73 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:31.400 of pro basketball and unbelievable gutty win from Stephen Curry 74 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.159 from Jimmy Butler, from Jymond Green the Golden State Warriors 75 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.199 Game seven on the road against the Rockets, and then 76 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.560 I think the Calves are in trouble. We'll tell you why. 77 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:42.520 The Pacers just have a bunch of pit bulls on 78 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.319 the perimeter. Much a tough, physical big guard to like 79 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.360 to play defense. And Donovan Mitchell is a really interesting 80 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.840 playoff case study because it's not fair to say he's 81 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.400 a shrinking violet come playoff time. I've seen him drop 82 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.120 half a hundred, but I've also seen him just disappear. Well, 83 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.840 we'll get to what this could mean for Donovan moving forward. 84 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:05.080 And then out West we have. 85 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:06.759 A little bit of a rematch when it comes to 86 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.800 Draymond Green and Rudy Gobert, two people, two basketball players 87 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.840 that don't like each other at all. So the NBA 88 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.000 Playoffs continue to be really, really cool. 89 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:16.199 We have some breaking. 90 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.600 News right out of the gates. And I was informed this, 91 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.879 by the way, by Won Britain Covey. 92 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:23.399 At the spring game. 93 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.240 But I'm a gentleman. I do not like to break 94 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.199 the trust of our guy. So sab Britain Covey at 95 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.639 the Forever twenty two game, the Utah Football spring game, 96 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.560 and of course his time. 97 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:34.800 In Philadelphia has come to an end. 98 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.920 He gets a Super Bowl ring, and he lands in 99 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.240 a great spot. Britain Covey is now in La ram 100 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:44.040 with a one year deal. Utah Football brings it a 101 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:48.480 wide receiver via the transfer portal. And we do have 102 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.720 some RSL news as well, maybe some reinforcements on the way. 103 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.079 RSL went up to Vancouver and lost over the weekend. 104 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.639 So ton to do on the show. If you missed 105 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.279 the press conference bouncing Will Hardy's contract extension, We're gonna 106 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.560 bring some of that sound to you from Will and 107 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.439 some of the other decision makers on the program. 108 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:08.839 Today. 109 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.480 Tom Haberstrow joins the show today, as Tommy wrote a 110 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.360 piece over the weekend, and Tommy is all about the numbers, 111 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.399 is all about the data, and I'm going to tell 112 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.680 tom that I think James Harden is potentially the most 113 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.319 pathetic clutch player in the history of NBA basketball. And 114 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:26.120 Tom's gonna throw a bunch of numbers at me that 115 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.319 indicate that I might be wrong. But James Harden again 116 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.360 over the weekend, I know he had a number of assists, 117 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:33.480 but he just did not try to guard it all. 118 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.920 He was not engaged to try to get his own offense. 119 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.839 Another Game seven failure for James Harden. Will get Tommy's 120 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:41.720 take on the news that Will Hardy has a brand 121 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.959 new contract, and then after tom stops by, it's an 122 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.399 hour in studio with Richard smith Smedy will stop by. 123 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.040 He was at Black Desert last week over the weekend 124 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.879 for the LPGA Championship events. So we'll do some NBA 125 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.160 and we'll see how Smity's experience was down South, what 126 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.399 the golf tournament was, and then we're not you sure 127 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.519 who are our sl guest will be today. 128 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:05.639 Which means it's probably gonna be Trey fair Enough, which 129 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:07.959 that's kind of what I'm hoping for Just to be clear, 130 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.399 you're hoping for Trey. Yeah, don't say that he's That 131 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.240 might be like the the best guest possible scenario, like 132 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:22.480 we had Deontay Wilder last Friday, right, yeah, with Gerald next. 133 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.519 How are you and a lot similar? How are you 134 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.959 bridging the gap between those two people. I don't I'd 135 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.399 love to hear this. Yeah that's I think that's maybe 136 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:34.079 the joke they're in. Okay, but yeah, I'm excited. You 137 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:36.759 know what, I'm not gonna make a short joke either Deontay. 138 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:36.879 Six to seven. 139 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.000 I'm not gonna do that to our guy. 140 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.279 But the problem is, since you said out loud into 141 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.480 the microphone that you're excited for it to be Trey, that's. 142 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:44.439 Just gonna go to his head. 143 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:45.680 So maybe get someone else. 144 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.120 Yeah, I mean, let's get anybody else outside of Trey. 145 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.839 But the days where we have an RSL guest slotted 146 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.639 and we don't hear back and it probably means Trey 147 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.639 is trying to make space for himself to be able 148 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:56.240 to come on the show. 149 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.000 I can say also, Nuggets, sometimes the timing a lie 150 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:02.879 when we don't get an RSL guest as well. 151 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.480 I don't want to talk to Trey about anything other 152 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:07.920 than RSL because he cannot take his bias. 153 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:10.560 He can't, he can't remove it. 154 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.560 So you know it's yes, we're gonna win the championship again. 155 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:14.800 Yo, Kitch, the greatest of all time. 156 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.439 Whenever he goes into the space of any other content 157 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.040 than RSL, I simply just cut him off. 158 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.600 Yeah, it's fair, it's fair. But hey, to be clear, 159 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.879 while we've given him the space to do that, the 160 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.240 year he went really hard on it, they didn't come 161 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:29.000 away with the ring. 162 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.279 Yeah they did. Yeah, that's fair, all right. So we'll 163 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.240 see who joins us to talk a little soccer later, 164 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.680 but a lot of basketball football, some NFL offseason, some 165 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.240 Utah football transfer portal additions. Our first guest will be 166 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:42.079 Tom habershow we are going to bring u some sound 167 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.519 from the Will Hardy press conference. 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Of course, he was 213 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.039 hired twenty twenty two after Quinn Snyder decided he did 214 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.039 not want to work for this new ownership group. So far, 215 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.320 Will has compiled a record of eighty five wins one 216 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.919 hundred and sixty one losses with no playoff appearances, thirty 217 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.480 seven wins year one when he actually had some adults 218 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.000 on the roster, thirty one last year, and then seventeen 219 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.840 this season, by far, the worst record in franchise history 220 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.320 and the worst record in the. 221 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:11.240 NBA this season. 222 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.519 So interesting timing of this and interesting dynamics for a 223 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.080 few reasons, So let's get into it. So, of course 224 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.399 Greg Popovich, unfortunately he has had to step down as 225 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.600 the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, and we 226 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.120 actually heard from Coach Pop today. He spoke for the 227 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.519 first time since November of twenty twenty four. 228 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:34.159 And I'm not gonna lie. That was hard to watch. 229 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.720 It didn't look like the Greg Popovich that we've all 230 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.840 come to know and come to expect. He looked like 231 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:44.080 a guy that's been through a tremendous trial as far 232 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:45.320 as the past two. 233 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:45.759 Or three years. 234 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:45.879 Now. 235 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.720 Remember it's not just his own personal health. Coach Pop 236 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.240 lost his wife sadly a few years back. Then he 237 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.080 had the stroke, and he did not look like himself today. 238 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.639 It was actually somewhat sad in my estimation. I'm thrilled 239 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:00.399 that he's getting better, and I'm thrilled for him that 240 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.919 he can continue in a role with that organization. As 241 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.759 the president of the Spurs, he was flanked by some 242 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.799 of the legends. We had Tim Duncan on one side, 243 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.759 Monogenobili on the other. But one of the reasons I 244 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.639 bring this up when it comes to the Popovich news 245 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:17.320 is I'm not gonna lie. When Greg Popovich suffered his 246 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.320 stroke and scept away from the team, I heard for 247 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.480 more than a few people around pro basketball pontificating on 248 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:27.080 the possibility of Will Hardy leaving the Utah Jazz and 249 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.320 taking the job of head coach of the San Antonio Spurs. 250 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.120 Now, of course, Will is under contract next year. 251 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.440 Well, now, Will's under contract through twenty thirty one, But 252 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.159 prior to today, Will was under contract next year and 253 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.759 the year after. It was kind of a unique contract 254 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:45.600 just as far as the format goes, where it was 255 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.919 a five year deal, three years guaranteed, then two team options. 256 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.320 When it became pretty clear that Will's pretty sharp guy, 257 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.159 and the Jazz just don't really have good basketball players, 258 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.200 and it's hard to win basketball games when you don't 259 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.000 have players that are good at playing basketball. 260 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:00.399 There's your analysis for the day. 261 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:03.120 You can't really put much on the head coach, but 262 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.360 I'll get back to that in a moment. So, when 263 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.080 it became clear that this was going to be a 264 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.440 long game proposition and that team forty nine year one 265 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:14.039 with some veteran players actually kind of overshot expectations, and 266 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:16.679 so the conversation was like, Okay, are they a player 267 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.000 or two away from actually being much better than we 268 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.000 all expected. And that was when Bobby Marks came on 269 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.879 our radio show and broke the news that the Jazz 270 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:26.840 thought they had a deal in place to acquire Drew 271 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.399 Holliday from Portland, but Drew Holliday did not want to 272 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.879 play here because he was in the mood to win championships, 273 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.279 and so he went to Boston. And then there were 274 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:38.360 conversations that prior to Kristaps porzingis landin in Boston, Ryan 275 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.759 Smith and the front office thought they could have had 276 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:44.879 a deal and bring porzingis in. Danny Ainge, you know, 277 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.919 postseason media, big game hunting. 278 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:47.600 You guys all. 279 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:48.159 Remember the deal. 280 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:51.440 So for a minute there was a conversation about, wait, 281 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.639 could they really expedite this? And I have no idea 282 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.679 who over there actually decided to say out loud, let's 283 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.279 go ahead. And trade for Paul d or signed Paul 284 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.120 George and trade from mckel bridges, as if that was 285 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.600 any possibility at all. I mean delusions of grandeur. But hey, 286 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.879 I guess speak it into existence. That's what the kids 287 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.559 do now and maybe sometimes it happens in boom you 288 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:14.759 see a reiki healer in your life changes. I don't know, 289 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.399 I don't speak the language. But when it became clear 290 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.559 the best laid plans aside this was going to have 291 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.480 to be a long game, the front office and the 292 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:24.919 ownership group decided that they would pick up Will's option 293 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.600 next year, year four, and year five. Okay, so giving 294 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.919 another two years of runway before they had to make 295 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.879 a decision on Will, but in my opinion, more poignantly 296 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.399 before Will had to make a decision on them. And 297 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.360 I still believe Will has a decision to make on them. Okay, 298 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.200 that's what makes today a little bit surprising. So again 299 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.120 Popovich steps down. Unfortunately he's not well. A lot of 300 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.960 people around pro basketball wondering if if the San Antonio 301 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.200 Spurs would reach out to the Utah Jazz to try 302 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.279 to engage in some sort of conversation to get Will 303 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.759 out of here, to have him become the heir apparent 304 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:02.159 Greg Popovich. Ironically enough, during Quinn Snyder's last year here, 305 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.759 longtime listeners of the program, Hello, how are you? 306 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:05.759 Thank you? 307 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:10.000 You might remember Tim McMahon hopping on the show and 308 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.320 alluding to the fact that he's hearing Quinn is going 309 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.879 to leave the Jazz to take over for Greg Popovich. Now, 310 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.840 funny thing happened on the way right to this end 311 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.159 game and this final kind of landing of the plane, 312 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.799 because then San Antonio won the lottery and they drafted 313 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.720 Victor weman Yama, which seemed to kind of re energize 314 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.039 Greg Popovich, just like drafting Tim Duncan. Did you know 315 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.399 obviously the Spurs were able to get David Robinson with 316 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.639 a number one overall pick. I mean, we can talk 317 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.320 about Spurs culture all you want, all the championships, they 318 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.000 wont all you want. None of that happens without their 319 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.799 lot of lottery luck, which they've had plenty of with 320 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:50.679 David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Victor wemen Yama, Spurs get when Manyama, 321 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:53.480 Popovich realizes he now has the next big thing in 322 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:56.559 basketball on his team, and he decides to stay and 323 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.039 he even signs another contract to continue on as the 324 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.879 head coach. So you know, Quinn alects to take a 325 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:06.200 year away. I still think if he waited another four 326 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.519 or five months, he currently would be the head coach 327 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:10.840 of the Milwaukee Bucks. But he takes the Atlanta job, 328 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.399 Popovich grabs one Minyama, and so that narrative goes out 329 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.759 the window. And so this year, after Popovich decided to 330 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.960 step down because of the health situation, a lot of 331 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:27.919 conversation about whether or not they would try to contact 332 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:30.720 the Jazz about bringing Will Hardy in as their next 333 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.399 head coach. And now I don't know how much of 334 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:39.799 that motivated the Utah Jazz to essentially do this right now, 335 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.080 and I don't know how much of this messaging today. 336 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.480 So the Spurs are going with Mitch Johnson as the 337 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.799 team's new head coach. He's been an assistant coach for 338 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.440 pop Foar I think ten years now and thirty eight 339 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.000 years old, very well respected by people in the organization. 340 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.200 So San Antonio has their head coach. 341 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.360 So the timing of it today I think is interesting 342 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:00.559 for a couple of different reasons. 343 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:02.519 I really don't know. 344 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.120 We'll have to get our ESPN stats and Info group 345 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.279 on this. Will Hardy is going to get nine years, 346 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:14.240 a nine year runway of guaranteed money to coach this 347 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.080 team with no guarantees that he's going to have good players. 348 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:21.279 He's gonna it nine years unless something crazy goes down. Now, 349 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:22.559 of course, we see it all the time in the 350 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:25.639 world of coaching, and the reason their contracts are structured 351 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.120 like this is most of these guys are hired to 352 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:32.279 be fired, and when you lose your job, the only 353 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.960 silver lining if you're a coach now in either college 354 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.480 or pro is you're paid millions of dollars not to work. 355 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.559 It's actually not a bad gig. So this is a 356 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:48.720 tremendous gesture from Jazz ownership and the Jazz front office 357 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.360 indicating that they believe that Will is the guy to 358 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:52.759 lead this team moving forward. 359 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:54.919 I am surprised that Will. 360 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:58.279 Decided to do this, because, as I've talked about throughout 361 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.120 the course at the end of the regular season and 362 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.120 throughout the course at the start of the postseason, whenever 363 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:06.039 I hear some of these playoff droughts, whenever I hear 364 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.440 some of these teams that are either in the postseason 365 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:12.279 now or barely made it in for the first time 366 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.200 in a long, long time. It just reminds me of 367 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.039 how spoiled we've been with the competitive culture that the 368 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.759 Millers built for a long long time, with a Utah 369 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.319 Jazz team that more often than not has been very 370 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.839 competitive consistently. Yes we've never had a championship. Yes there 371 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.480 were some down years, Yes there were some missteps, Yes 372 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.640 there were some playoff failures. But we have been lucky 373 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:40.240 to have really good basketball in Utah for basically almost 374 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.359 fifty years. And there is part of me that believes 375 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.480 we're in the early stages of what could be a very, 376 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.519 very long game in a way that we've never. 377 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:48.400 Experienced it before. 378 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.039 The Charlotte Hornets have gone twenty one seasons between playoff victories. 379 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.640 The Sacramento Kings twenty one seasons between playoff victories. The 380 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.240 last time the Detroit Pistons won a playoff game at 381 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:03.319 home was two thousand and eight. It's been fifteen years 382 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.240 since the Magic won an NBA playoff series. Can you 383 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.720 believe that It's been a decade since the Chicago Bowls 384 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.079 won a playoff series? Even the Wizards won a playoff 385 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:14.039 series prior to the Bulls. But it's been eight years 386 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.400 for them, eight years for the Spurs, and we're coming 387 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.359 up on the fourth year of a rebuild for the 388 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.240 Utah Jazz. And if you're watching the NBA playoffs and 389 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.920 if you're juxtaposing these teams to what the Jazz are now, 390 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.400 you're aware that they are not even close to competitivists. 391 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.960 They're just not They're not one Cooper flag away. Quite frankly, 392 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.119 they're not two pieces away. Quite frankly, there were probably 393 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:42.160 four or five high quality pieces away combined with the 394 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.480 good players they have on the roster, and there aren't many, 395 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.160 but there might be two or three Lowry Walker and 396 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:49.599 then after that who knows. 397 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.640 But they need a ton of help. 398 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.400 And if you're Will Hardy, you're a guy that around 399 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.440 the landscape of pro basketball carries a lot of cachet, 400 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.720 a lot of respect. You could take another job if 401 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:04.200 you wanted to. So I viewed this today as a 402 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:08.200 real gesture from the Jazz ownership and their front office 403 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.400 and a real real signal of belief that you're our guy, Will. 404 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.000 But I believe this to be a very calculated and 405 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:19.400 dangerous move from Will Hardy to believe in what's going 406 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.680 on over there with not a lot of tangible proof 407 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.319 in front of them. All these coaches, at the end 408 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:27.039 of the day are known for their win and lost record, 409 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.319 and nobody gives a rip about the context. Okay, so 410 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.839 Will at this point eighty five wins, one hundred and 411 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.720 sixty one losses. They are not going to be good 412 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:37.920 next year, and if I had to guess the year 413 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.400 after that, it's probably gonna be another hole, Like we're 414 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.559 developing young players. And at what point does Will look 415 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.880 around and get sick of entering gunfights with a knife 416 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:51.200 every night when the other coach actually has legitimate NBA 417 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.119 talent and they're serious about winning, and Will's asked to 418 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:55.599 continue to develop young players. 419 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:57.759 So interesting news. 420 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.240 We will bring you some sound from said press start 421 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.880 coming up on the other side, we'll get the thoughts 422 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.799 of Tom Haberstrow, Will Hardy apparently not a rambling man. 423 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.039 Huh see what I did there right out of the gates. 424 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:10.799 Maybe he is a twenty two minute presser. 425 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:16.319 Well, uh doesn't there isn't the very definition of rambling man. 426 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.319 Somebody wants to go up several places and yeah, you 427 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:22.640 do you understand the joke that I was trying to make. 428 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.480 Her a little more literal. Yeah, did go over your 429 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.519 head a little bit. I was thinking more more from rambling. 430 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:28.920 You know. 431 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.160 No, that's fair, He went on. I think I think 432 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.759 we're both cracked. And look, I apologize. My humor can 433 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:36.039 be a little high brow. It can be a little 434 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:40.039 you know. Listeners say intellectual. I'm not comfortable with that. 435 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:42.160 But what I don't say that? Listeners say it's kind 436 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:42.720 of awkward. 437 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.400 Yeah, my my, my humor is very low bro, it's 438 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.160 very like I'm a prairie boy. 439 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.599 Now, I don't be hard on yourself. Come on, I think 440 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.319 you alluded. No, I wasn't eluding anything. You had your 441 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:54.240 Wrangler T shirt on today? Did you get that with 442 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:54.920 a pack of SIGs? 443 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:55.079 Though? 444 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:55.519 There you go? 445 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:55.880 Nice? 446 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.680 Uh No, no SIGs. That's that's a hard stop at 447 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:02.279 this point in my life. I'm proud of you. 448 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:02.640 Thank you. 449 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:03.440 I'm proud of you. 450 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:04.160 All right. 451 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.720 Uh Will Hardy was an you know what porter, Give 452 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.839 me give me your thoughts on, you know, kind of 453 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:12.799 the way I started the show where I view this 454 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:17.279 as a tremendous gesture from jazz ownership and the front office. 455 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:21.119 I mean, no coach gets a nine year runway when 456 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:23.359 you haven't wanted a high level I mean, this is 457 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.079 this to me feels like a little bit of a 458 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.039 no brainer because I think Will's very bright. But I 459 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.119 do view this as a little bit of a risk 460 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:30.720 from Will. 461 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:33.759 Tell me what you think, Yeah, No, I mean, as 462 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.839 you said, maybe a risk from from Will in the 463 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.920 sense that you just never know. You never know when 464 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:42.680 a team is going to be able to strike when 465 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.559 the iron's hot on a big free agent, or hit 466 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:46.799 on a draft pick, or when you hit on a 467 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.359 draft pick and he ends up having a career plagued 468 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.240 with injuries a lah Grant Hill like, there's just so 469 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.359 many variables in the NBA that you can't account for that, Hey, 470 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:00.559 isn't taking any job a risk. I don't know that 471 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:05.240 one that's getting this kind of salary is super risky 472 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:11.599 in spite of you know, the record, the percentage, the 473 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.880 number that goes next to your name, which, as you said, yeah, 474 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:17.759 that's huge when you're on the job market, when you're 475 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.200 looking back on your career. But it does appear that 476 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:26.279 Will Hardy is in good faith not worried about that 477 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.680 at the moment. He's just worried about what's going on here. 478 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.799 With the Jazz, and and for the Jazz to have 479 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:38.039 the kind of what clearly shows the kind of faith 480 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.279 in Will to sign them to this extension. It looks 481 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.599 like both parties are on the same page, which, as 482 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.440 you mentioned, it's hard to be when you're in a 483 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:52.480 position like this so much, losing so much, so much 484 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:54.839 that you're not used to as an organization over the 485 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:59.400 last two years in this regard they're handling it. I think, 486 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:00.839 really well, I. 487 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.359 Just have to wonder, what will you know if we 488 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:07.920 fast forward two three years and they're not close, you 489 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:08.400 know what I mean? 490 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.480 You have to wonder what's going to go through his mind? 491 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:13.839 Well, and then how much does that right, right, maybe 492 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.359 he's on the job market, how much does that affect 493 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:21.920 how he's viewed around the league. I think there's folks 494 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:24.480 here that are are very very high on Will Hardy, 495 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.720 especially in the Jazz Front office, and I think rightfully so. 496 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.359 But yeah, at a certain point you and I'm saying 497 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.480 this is Will start looking after yourself. 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Your yard only online h 510 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:11.599 I f A and online at if A dot co op. 511 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.759 And in case you missed it earlier today, here's a 512 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.240 here's a portion of the press conference announcing the contract 513 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:18.359 extension for Will Hardy. 514 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.680 How that how to go? 515 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:28.279 You know, how content and how the conversations happened. 516 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.400 Yeah, I mean I have an agent, like most or 517 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:39.039 all coaches, you know, Ryan, Danny and Justin are the 518 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:44.480 ones that communicate with them, Justin being the primary communicator. 519 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.680 You know, these are conversations that happen over a period 520 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:59.160 of time. It's not a one day thing. And yeah, 521 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.759 so they speak about. 522 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:02.359 You know, the. 523 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.400 Kind of the aim of the program and what their 524 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:14.799 thoughts are. I'm fortunate that I work for this group. 525 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:21.720 I think Ryan Ashley Danny Justin have been incredibly good 526 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.039 to me from the first day. 527 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:29.319 We've been very aligned the entire way through this process. 528 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:35.559 And so calling it a negotiation, that word sometimes draws 529 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:38.000 up this thought in your mind like it's a contentious 530 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:39.279 thing back and forth. 531 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:39.519 And it's not. 532 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.279 You know, I'm very proud to be the coach of 533 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:49.640 the Utah Jazz. So this is something that everybody was 534 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:53.599 really excited about, Brian. 535 00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:57.559 They will the year is a long time. 536 00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:59.359 It will be what like nine years when this thing's 537 00:25:59.400 --> 00:25:59.839 all done. 538 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.039 How much does that help you, just as you're like 539 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.599 looking forward to long term future, to be like, Okay, 540 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.640 I will be here, this is my job for the 541 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:10.759 foreseeable future. 542 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:12.480 Yeah. 543 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:18.359 I think that's ultimately a big sigh of relief for 544 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.559 any coach. You know, we all see every day that 545 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.839 this business is not It's not one where you see 546 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:31.200 a ton of coaches getting long term commitments. I think 547 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:37.039 ultimately the goal is to continue to build this program 548 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:42.599 and ultimately hang a banner at Delta Center, and to 549 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.240 get a commitment of that length shows the belief that 550 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.000 you know, our group has in our coaching staff, and 551 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:56.440 so it makes you feel the confidence from them. 552 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.720 That's not something that I've ever doubted. 553 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.000 I think the communication that we've had the entire first 554 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.559 three years, I've I've felt that I have the confidence 555 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.759 of our group. But to get that, you know, quote 556 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:16.160 unquote put on paper is definitely meaningful. You know, I'm 557 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:20.680 all in on the Utah Jazz. I'm incredibly humbled and 558 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.880 grateful to have this opportunity. You know, there are there 559 00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.119 are very few moments where I'm I'm really at a 560 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.319 loss for words, and this is one of those where 561 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:41.720 the the perspective on all of it, the understanding of 562 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.599 the commitment that they're making to me and to our 563 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:51.240 staff is really humbling, and we're excited to continue to work. 564 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.200 You know, I love representing this organization. I love representing 565 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.359 our community and our fan base. So it's it's a 566 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:00.160 really exciting. 567 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:03.319 Right here. 568 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.640 Yeah, coach, if you have a connection with the guys. 569 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:13.960 You mentioned Ryan, Danny, Justin and yourself, you guys think. 570 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:15.160 Together to play ball together. 571 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.960 How board is that you need to have that connection 572 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:18.559 with those guys. 573 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.680 I don't know if that he is. 574 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:20.960 In a lot of other. 575 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:21.960 NBA coaching positions. 576 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:27.440 Yeah, I think it's It's what sets us apart, is 577 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:34.799 the alignment that we have every day. It's one constant conversation. 578 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:38.880 I think I've said publicly, I'm not sure in three 579 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.480 years we've ever scheduled a meeting because we don't need to. 580 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.480 The conversation is ongoing. We all spend so much time 581 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.359 together and are intentional about making sure we all spend 582 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:59.359 time together that the perspective is always there. 583 00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.480 For all four of us. 584 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.880 I understand the things that they're thinking about, the things 585 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.720 that they're worried about, the things that they may be 586 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.119 focused on in the current moment, and they understand the 587 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.279 things that I'm worried about and focused on. So I 588 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.200 think that connection allows us to navigate what is a 589 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:21.400 hard landscape in professional sports. It's very much a business 590 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.319 that is judged and reacted to in sort of an 591 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:31.240 A or F manner. It's either great or it's terrible, 592 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.759 And I think that it allows us to really block 593 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:36.359 out all of. 594 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.640 That noise and stay focused. 595 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.880 On, you know, the intent of our group and why 596 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:50.079 we're doing what we're doing. I couldn't be luckier to 597 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.279 have three people like that that I get to work 598 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.759 with every day, because, like you said, it's not lost. 599 00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.240 On me that this is non normal. 600 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.599 An accounting. 601 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:11.599 Hey, coach, what does it. 602 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.160 Mean to you that you know this is you know, 603 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:16.400 been able to get done? 604 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.519 You know in this manner you know just kind of 605 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.319 a as efficiently as as. 606 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:24.920 As it it has been done. 607 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.720 And you know, as a secondary question, what's been you know, 608 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.039 some of your favorite moments, uh, in these first few 609 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.680 years of your year tenure. 610 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.279 Yeah, it means a lot to to. 611 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.599 Get this done and sort of put this part behind us. 612 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.400 There's so much work to be to be done. 613 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.119 We have, you know, a a a lot that we 614 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.160 have to do as a staff and as an organization 615 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.039 moving forward to get where we want to get to. 616 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:59.039 And so to have this element solidified in the moment 617 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.200 is definitely relieving and allows us to focus on the 618 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.640 things that we need to focus on. I mean, memories 619 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:12.880 of the first three years is that's a hard one 620 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.480 to pinpoint because I go back to, you know, the 621 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.880 first press conference when I got the job and meeting 622 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:25.759 all of you for the first time and sort of 623 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:31.440 starting to initially feel the weight and responsibility of this job. 624 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.200 But also feel the passion and the support of our 625 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:39.680 fan base. You know, the first home game at Delta 626 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:46.400 Center was a moment that I'll never forget. You know, 627 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.920 the little things like the first time the team brought 628 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.079 it in at the end of practice and training camp 629 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.039 and you realize, like, wait, I'm the head coach. I'm 630 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.480 the one that's supposed to talk right now. But also 631 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.400 more than that, it's the time spent with everybody that's. 632 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:02.240 In our travel party. 633 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:07.039 There's so much time behind the scenes on the planes, 634 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:11.000 on the buses. There's so many people who do incredible 635 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.839 work for us who get no credit publicly, and forging 636 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:20.720 those relationships along with the relationships with our players. You know, 637 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.319 it's a day like today when the news comes out 638 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.039 and you're getting techs from guys that were on the 639 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.359 team my first year here, you know, as a thirty 640 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.480 four year old, first time head coach, and they let 641 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.400 me coach them, and they embraced me as the head coach, 642 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:42.160 and they were ultimately the ones that fed into my 643 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.720 confidence in this job because of the way that they 644 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:45.519 approached me. 645 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.119 Every day. 646 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.559 The games are always fun, but ultimately I think that 647 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.759 this job and coaching in general, it's the relationships and 648 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.319 the time spent are the things that run through your 649 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.440 head when you really look back on it. And so 650 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.880 I'm very very grateful that I've been surrounded by and 651 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.279 I'm still surrounded by so many amazing people. 652 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:18.519 D Hey, well, the first extension kind of, you know, 653 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.839 gave gave a glimpse that you would be here kind 654 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.680 of through that first rebuilding part of the rebuild or 655 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.599 first section of the rebuild of this team. And this 656 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.640 extension gives you an opportunity to kind of look beyond 657 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:33.720 what would be the rebuild and start of of sort 658 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.880 of what it would look like when you guys are 659 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:41.359 maybe trying for contention and I'm wondering, what are your worries, 660 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:47.519 concerns thoughts about how maybe your job will change once 661 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.720 it shifts. 662 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.480 Yeah, it's not something that I'm concerned about. I think 663 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:59.400 that's what we all want, you know, you wanna be 664 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.279 in the big you want to be in the pressure situation. 665 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:08.599 You want to be competing for the championship. That's what 666 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.239 we're all hunting. And I do recognize that there will 667 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.719 be a lot of changes for all of us as 668 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.239 our team continues to grow. 669 00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:19.000 It's not just me. 670 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.639 It's the assistant coaches, it's the players, it's the front office, 671 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.239 it's Ryan and Ashley. Like the feelings and the emotions 672 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.239 attached to it all will be a little bit different, 673 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.559 and I'm excited for that. Like I'm excited for our 674 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:36.960 fan base to pack the building for a big playoff game. 675 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.800 I think that's what we're all anxious for and excited for. 676 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.400 Like I watched these playoff games at night, and you're 677 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.199 just staring at the screen, going, that's that's what I want, 678 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:54.400 And that's what we're building towards. Like we are, we're 679 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.400 a group that's very committed to the process of building 680 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:02.679 a championship level team. And we said in the beginning 681 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.559 and we will continue to say that does not mean 682 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.960 that there aren't hard moments, But I think that those 683 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.280 hard moments are ultimately what makes it all worth. 684 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:16.599 It in the end. So I don't really have concerns 685 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.039 about my job. 686 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:25.280 Changing as we continue to move forward, because I think 687 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:29.239 that's ultimately what you what you sign up for when 688 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.280 you're a head coach in this league is things are 689 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.440 constantly changing around you, and you have to be a 690 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.239 steady force throughout all that change. 691 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:46.880 Any the question for your first with the NBA or 692 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.480 you put it out to Chicago for that or what you're. 693 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.559 Playing with that, Yes, I will be in Chicago. 694 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.840 And then one of that as we watch put out 695 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:01.199 basketball and all, it's a different style of basketball, And. 696 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.639 How do you think your current team and young players 697 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.599 especially are put to kind of handle what we're seeing 698 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:09.719 in some really tough. 699 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:12.719 Yeah. 700 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.920 I think our our young players are on the right 701 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:19.280 path of growing towards being ready for those. 702 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:26.159 The reality is this season we weren't ready for that level, and. 703 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:33.440 Some of that is outside of their control because there 704 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.920 there is an element of some experience, but also some 705 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.800 physical maturity and some of those things that stand out 706 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.000 in some of these games. We're seeing a really really 707 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:48.360 physical playoffs to this point. But the part that I'm 708 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:53.039 most excited about is that, ultimately, in my experience in 709 00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.840 the playoffs, uh and continuing to watch it all unfold, 710 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:03.119 your mental toughness and your mindset is the most important 711 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.880 thing to get through the playoffs because there are big 712 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:13.880 emotional swings, you're physically exhausted, and you're getting tested every 713 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.400 single night. And I think that our group is building 714 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:23.480 that resilience and continuing to improve and work on our 715 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.119 mindset every single day, because that's what it's going to take. 716 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.599 You know, if you watch the series after one game, 717 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.519 the reactions are generally this team is playing great, this 718 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:37.320 other team is playing poorly. You know, Golden State loses 719 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.199 two games in a row and everybody's sort of writing 720 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.199 them off, and they go win game seven on the road, 721 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.199 And yes, it's because of the ability of their players, 722 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:47.960 but more than that, it seems like it's because of 723 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.920 the mindset of their players. And that's the thing that 724 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:53.920 we have to continue to address as a group as 725 00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:00.440 we grow. Physical things are easier to measure, how strong 726 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.960 you are, how high you can jump, how many shots 727 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.079 you make out of a certain number, like those things 728 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.880 are easy to measure. Your mindset's hard to measure, and 729 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.519 so that's the thing we have to monitor really closely 730 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:14.880 as a group as we keep going. 731 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.639 Yeah, yeah, you. 732 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.760 Mentioned need's are hard to come by the season, but 733 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.519 fans and fans every time I want to gage, they're 734 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.760 packing the area. 735 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.280 Which surprise me every time I showed up. That that 736 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.079 make people there to watch what you want to say, 737 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.119 then of how they support you, maybe where you are 738 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:39.920 in this process. 739 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.159 Yeah, My message to our fan base, first and foremost 740 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:51.440 is thank you. Their support means the world to me, 741 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.519 It means the world to our team because we need 742 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.000 them and ultimately we're trying to conduct ourselves in a 743 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.960 way that represents. 744 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.320 Them. And you always want your fan base to. 745 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.719 Be proud of how you're operating as a team, and 746 00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.280 I think that ultimately that's why they showed up every night. 747 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:21.079 I give our fan base a lot of credit. They 748 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:28.000 have perspective, and they understand what we're ultimately hunting, and 749 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:33.360 they understand what we're doing to try to get there 750 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.000 and playing a lot of young players, trying to develop 751 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:41.079 our young talent. The fan base understood that that was 752 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.559 going to be hard from a wins and losses standpoint 753 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.760 at certain moments. But I do think that they continued 754 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.960 to show up because they enjoyed watching our young players compete. 755 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.199 There was not a lack of effort on the floor. 756 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.559 There was not a lack of passion. I want to 757 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:02.280 continue to thank them and to continue to to tell 758 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.639 them and remind them that this is all gonna be 759 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:13.119 worth it, and growing these young players is He's gonna 760 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.199 give us the best chance to hang a banner at 761 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:20.039 Delta Center, and I understand frustration in certain moments. I 762 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:25.079 understand that some of the losses are hard, and especially 763 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:31.559 when you cared so deeply about the team, But their 764 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:35.039 support does not go unnoticed. I'm very grateful for our 765 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.679 fan base and their approach, and this is all gonna 766 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:38.119 be worth it. 767 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:40.800 All right. 768 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:47.159 Well, as the season was ending, I I asked pretty 769 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:48.960 much on everyone on the roster. 770 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.840 Is Will a good coach? And how does he keep 771 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:54.960 you guys accountable? 772 00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:01.280 And like, the general consensus was great coach. Everyone said 773 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.679 calling things about you, So that's nice. But the thing 774 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.280 that stood out was that everyone was like, well, he'll 775 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.360 call Louray out in a film session or during practice 776 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.239 or during game just as soon as he'll call out 777 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.280 a two way guy or Cody or Isaiah. And so 778 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:25.599 it's that even playing field. Is that a concerted effort 779 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.440 kind of in your coaching philosophy and something that you. 780 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.119 Want to continue. 781 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.199 Yeah, that's gonna remain a core principle for us every 782 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:47.000 single day. And that's because I believe ultimately everybody can improve, 783 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.800 and secondly, we all want the same thing. We're all 784 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.360 trying to win. My responsibility is to hold them accountable. 785 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.000 It's not personal. I care very much about all these 786 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.559 guys as human beings, but when we're doing the basketball piece, 787 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.039 we're trying to improve as a team. 788 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:10.880 They're trying to improve individually. 789 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:15.679 And it's also a credit to our veteran players like 790 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.000 you mentioned Lowry, and he allows me to coach him 791 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.679 hard in front of the team because he understands that 792 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.320 allowing me to do that lets me coach the young 793 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.920 players hard and not have them bad an eye and 794 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.280 they don't. We don't get into this situation of, well, 795 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.480 you don't yell at him when he did this. You 796 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:38.480 know he did this on that play and you didn't 797 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.119 say anything. It's we want everybody to be held accountable 798 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:48.880 to the same standards. And that's something that you know, 799 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:54.079 I was fortunate to witness, you know, up close and 800 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.599 personal throughout my coaching career, the coaches that I've worked for, 801 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:00.679 and I ultimately think it's the best way to build 802 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.880 team cohesion is everybody understanding that the standards have to 803 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.119 be the same for everybody, and just because you're on 804 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.000 a different contract or you play more minutes doesn't mean 805 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.159 that you get to just let things slide. And I 806 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.239 want them to continue to want more for themselves. That's 807 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:25.679 my responsibility. And if that means that in certain moments 808 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.920 they're all mad at me, that's fine. That comes with 809 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.039 the territory, and there's that can be good for a 810 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.679 group as well. But you know, our players deserve a 811 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.480 lot of credit for how they've handled themselves. You know, 812 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.639 I'm very grateful that they allow me to coach them 813 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:46.280 as hard as I do. 814 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:58.159 Start to follow up, Yeah, you mentioned having seen the 815 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.320 coaches that you work for and learning from. 816 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.239 Them, and kind of as it is recently that. 817 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.960 Pop won't be coming back like to a coaching badge, 818 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:13.119 I'm wondering how much of your coaching style philosophy. 819 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.920 Was learned through him, and. 820 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:16.920 Is he someone that you think. 821 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.639 About or talk to when, like, you know, you get 822 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:20.880 a big contract extension. 823 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:25.039 Yeah. 824 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.360 I I learned an incredible amount from Pop. H I 825 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:35.320 think he really set the foundation of values for me 826 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:39.840 that you carry into your team. I also recognize that 827 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.280 I'm not Pop and our personalities are not the same, 828 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:47.079 and so I'm not trying to emulate Pop. I do 829 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.079 think that the values system, though, is similar. That being said, 830 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.280 you know, he's taught me more than I could even 831 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:05.280 explain allowing me to be a part of his program 832 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.360 and their program for eleven years. The opportunities that I 833 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:13.039 was was given there, getting to learn from him, getting 834 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.239 to learn from the players, getting to learn from you know, 835 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.760 countless assistant coaches that I got to work with and 836 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.880 for while I was there, has ultimately shaped a ton 837 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:28.079 of my coaching identity. But I do have to remain 838 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.199 true to myself and do it my way and with 839 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:38.840 my voice. So I'm forever grateful to him, you know, 840 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.960 that organization and all the coaches and players that I 841 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:43.960 was around while I was there. There's way too many 842 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.119 to name each of them by name right now. And yeah, 843 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.840 of course he's somebody that you know, I speak to. 844 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.360 He's a mentor to me in a lot of ways. 845 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.679 He's been a very prominent figure in my adult life. 846 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.480 You know, I was in San Antonio from age twenty 847 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.199 two to thirty three, which is a very formative part. 848 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:09.599 Of my life. 849 00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.599 And so yeah, getting to to share the news with 850 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.920 him is a you know, that's a great moment. There's 851 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.239 you know, other coaches as well that you get to 852 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:28.360 share the news with and you get congratulatory texts. It's 853 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.199 one of the few moments where you take a moment 854 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.639 and take a step back and. 855 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:34.079 Think about. 856 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.559 The journey to this point and all the people that 857 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.880 have been very impactful along the way, Pop obviously being 858 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:45.599 the most prominent. 859 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:47.599 All right, there you go. 860 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.599 Will Hardy addressing the media today after the news broke 861 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.280 that he has agreed to a contract extension with the 862 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:58.639 Utah Jazz going through the twenty thirty one season. Ironically enough, 863 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.519 the same day that we heard from Greg Pepovich for 864 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.639 the first time since November of twenty twenty four. 865 00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.000 We've got Smitty Liven studio today. 866 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.280 He spent forty years with the Jazz front office and 867 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.440 a number of different capacities. We'll do a little RSL 868 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.320 later on Landing King has a new home. He has 869 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.000 transferred to Duke, former Utah tight End. But our next 870 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.440 guest joins us on a very consistent basis with a 871 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.400 lot to get to. On a Monday afternoon, we welcome 872 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.440 in Tom Haberstrow. Tommy, Happy Monday man. 873 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:24.880 How are we doing. 874 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.280 I'm doing great man. How are you? 875 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:28.519 I'm well, I'm well. 876 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.599 So some unexpected news dropped in our market today is 877 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.159 the Utah Jazz and Will Hardy have agreed to a 878 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.360 multi year contract extension through twenty thirty one. Now, as 879 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.440 you know, when they signed Will in twenty twenty two, 880 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:45.280 it was a five year deal, three guaranteed years, then 881 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.800 two team options. They had already picked up both of 882 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.559 those options. So prior to today he was under contract 883 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.960 through twenty twenty five. Now he's under contract through twenty 884 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.239 thirty one. Tommy, he gets a nine year runway. This 885 00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.960 doesn't happen often. What are your thoughts. 886 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:03.679 I think it's a great indication of the trust between 887 00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:08.079 the front office and Hardy. Despite the record seventeen and 888 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.159 sixty five, you get a six year extension basically through 889 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.840 twenty thirty one after having the worst record in the NBA. 890 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.039 This is very clear that everyone's on the same page 891 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.039 of what this is all about. Right, they all know 892 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.400 what time it is is that Hardy given the personnel 893 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.880 and the objective, which is very clear, you don't extend 894 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.199 the head coach for having the worst record in the 895 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.760 league unless that is the goal, or at least that 896 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.599 is part of the plan. And Hardy has had to 897 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:41.559 deal with a lot of in and out players, differing 898 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.320 incentive structures where you would think that a guy with 899 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.119 not just this year, but last year going thirty one 900 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.159 and fifty one, the year before that thirty seven to 901 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.920 forty five. The Utah Jazz win count has gone down 902 00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.559 in each of the three years that Will already's coached. 903 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.280 But that's kind of all part of the plan. And 904 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.920 they they I think, have the right process and they're 905 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.400 sticking by him in the same way that the Portland 906 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.159 Trailblazers did the same thing with Chauncey Billips this offseason, 907 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:18.199 and these these organizations are I think looking after what 908 00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:22.119 Mark Deagnel and Emo Udoka did with Houston and saying, 909 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.679 you know what, I think we should stick by our 910 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:31.280 coach if he is demonstrating that he's about all the 911 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.639 right things and getting the guys ready and all about 912 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.960 development long term. We're not just going to let this 913 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.639 guy go once things start getting good. We're going to 914 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.280 stick by them and let them see through this. And 915 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.719 I think it's a new day in the NBA where 916 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.360 you're seeing guys get that opportunity. And on the other side, 917 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:54.519 Will Hardy is in a profession in which Michael Malone 918 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.119 and Taylor Jenkins get fired days before the postseason, so 919 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:03.480 it's a very unusual coaching market right now, and I 920 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:08.039 think it's an indication, it's a testament to Will Hardy 921 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:11.000 and his professionalism that like he was able to see 922 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:12.960 this through enough to get to the other side. And 923 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.800 that's really exciting if you're Will Hardy. 924 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.760 And I want to be very clear, in a profession 925 00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.480 where you are essentially hired to be fired, when an 926 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.719 ownership group in a front office offers you this opportunity, 927 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:29.239 you do not turn it down. But Tom, I've been 928 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.119 talking about this throughout the course of the past month 929 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.599 or so. You know, when the playoffs roll around, you're 930 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.639 always reminded about how many cities and how many organizations 931 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:45.199 have had sometimes decades of futility and very long stretches 932 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:46.960 in between competitive teams. 933 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:48.280 We've never had that here. 934 00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.000 We just haven't. 935 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.159 We've had two and three years of a Scott Layden 936 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.440 pivot or a Dennis Lindsay or a Kevin O'Connor pivot 937 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.400 and a Dennis Lindsay pivot and pretty quickly have been 938 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.599 able to get back to respectability competitiveness. And I do 939 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.199 not think we are close here now to seeing that 940 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.800 happen anytime soon. So is there a part of this 941 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.360 where Will Hardy is taking a little bit of a 942 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:15.599 risk because from my prism, Will checks all the boxes. 943 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.119 He's a great communicator, his players seem to like him. 944 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.760 He has maximized every piece of talent he's had here, 945 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.639 and I badly want to see what an NBA team 946 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.000 with good players looks like coached by him. But there 947 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.559 is a risk here about committeing to this organization long term, 948 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:36.559 where there's no guarantees on the horizon of talent landing 949 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.079 in our market to allow the Jazz to get even 950 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.440 close to where some of these Western Conference teams are. 951 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:44.719 If we are honest and salient here Tom, they are three, 952 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.719 four or five pieces away from the Minnesotas and the 953 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.159 Denvers and the Oklahoma cities. Is there a bit of 954 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.039 a risk that's taken on Will's behalf? Even though, again 955 00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:59.199 with a profession full of so much volatility, if you 956 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.559 have nine years a runway, you take it no matter what. 957 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:03.760 But is there a bit of a risk on Will's 958 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.119 part here? 959 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.480 Sure? I think this is a riskless or I guess 960 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.280 a profession that there is no safe job. There is not. 961 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:20.519 I mean, we just saw two teams that had basically 962 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.159 been at the top or near the top of the 963 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.199 Western Conference at one point this season, either the number 964 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.840 two or the number three seed for much of the season, 965 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:33.639 and they get fired. So nothing's guaranteed in this league, 966 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.760 especially when we're coming off the season in which Taylor 967 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.960 Jenkins and Michael Malone seemed like everything was fine and 968 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.480 they were going through a little rough patch. But we're 969 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:48.000 seeing Denver win fifty games with Michael Malone and they 970 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.840 let him go. There's no I mean, outside of Eric Spolstra, 971 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:56.000 there really isn't. I think now we're seeing Greg Popovich 972 00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.599 and the torch passed the torch over to mis Johnson. 973 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.079 You know, Eric Spolster in Miami is the longest standard 974 00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.960 head coach in the NBA now and I remember covering 975 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.360 him in twenty ten and he was just a baby. 976 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.039 You know, this league, if you're able to get this 977 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:19.079 kind of buy in from the front office, even if 978 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.119 it's long term, with some team options, what have you, 979 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.800 I think that's as close as stability as you're gonna get. 980 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.239 So Will Hardy, I think the grass is always greener 981 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:33.039 in the NBA. You think that it would be better 982 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:37.559 to be in a winning environment with the competitive juices flowing. 983 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.039 Everyone wants to win. The priority is to win every game, 984 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.559 but that also is very stressful and a lot of 985 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:48.639 times you butt heads with front offices. And it seems 986 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:50.679 like Will Hardy's happy where he is in Utah, and 987 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.159 I can't blame him for the security in a profession 988 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.679 where there isn't much security. I mean, the Phoenix Suns 989 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:03.000 are they just let go James Jones and hired someone 990 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:06.000 who is a longtime coach under Tom Izzo to be 991 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.159 the GM. They fire Mike Bundholzer, they fire Frank Vogel, 992 00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:13.440 they cycle through head coaches. So I can understand why 993 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.840 Will Hardy is opting for security rather than necessarily chasing 994 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.920 the next big job that comes up, because certainly there's 995 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.960 a lot of competition for those jobs. And as someone 996 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.280 who lives in Charlotte, sometimes it's nice to know, like 997 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.559 where you're going to be for the next several years, 998 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.199 even if it isn't a New York or in Miami 999 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.519 or in LA so to speak. I don't know what 1000 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.599 the NBA equivalent, Maybe it is those teams, but I 1001 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.440 think happiness as an NBA head coach, I remember Stamping 1002 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.199 and Gundy talking recently about how on Leviatage Stow he 1003 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:53.719 was talking about you know, people were saying, hey, at 1004 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:56.519 least in when you got let go in New Orleans 1005 00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.280 or let go in Detroit, you had multiple years of 1006 00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.119 millions of dollar I was guaranteed to you. How mad 1007 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:04.199 could you be? How else could you be when you 1008 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.000 get fired? And he really was hard on this and 1009 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:13.559 was like, if you have any sort of pride, any 1010 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.840 organization that says we don't want you here anymore, we 1011 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.920 think we can do better than you going forward, and 1012 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.280 we are willing to pay you millions of dollars to 1013 00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.400 not have to deal with you every day, that still hurts, 1014 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.800 and it still hurts a lot. And so as much 1015 00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.239 as we want to say, like will Hardy might be 1016 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.239 able to get a better job elsewhere, a better winning situation, 1017 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:40.360 I understand the inclination to opt for security. Even though 1018 00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.400 they could fire him tomorrow, there is still the security 1019 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.239 of the front office that he's the only front office 1020 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.719 that he's had as a head coach, and it seems 1021 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.800 like they're all aligned. I can see why there's a 1022 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.360 little bit of risk, But every job in the NBA, 1023 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.519 in this profession, I think there's risk involved for sure. 1024 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.119 One more thing, are you agree with my premise that 1025 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.159 the Jazz are not close to being competitive? 1026 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:04.000 Is that fair to say? 1027 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.239 Yeah? Okay, you know, I was just thinking about this. 1028 00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:10.519 Who is there, Shay Gils just Alexander? They don't have 1029 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:14.880 one like who is there Devin Booker? Right, the guy that, 1030 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.840 yeah they're gonna lose seventy games. But who's their guy 1031 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:22.360 that they can they can build around and say, okay, 1032 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:25.440 that is that is a young piece that you can 1033 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:31.880 envision a rebuild around. Evan Mobley, Shay Gilds, Alexander, Devin Booker. 1034 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.760 These are types of guys that I think you can't 1035 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.280 point to Larry market In and say that's their version 1036 00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:42.840 of that, because Larry is turning twenty eight years old 1037 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.920 this summer and those guys when they were coming up 1038 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.880 there twenty three, twenty four, And that's a huge difference. 1039 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.440 And so I think Larry markten is more likely to 1040 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.519 get moved, in my opinion, than being the franchise Cornerstone 1041 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:57.920 future star in the same way that Shake goes as 1042 00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:59.199 Alexander is for okay. 1043 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.320 See, oh well, then I continue to say, like I 1044 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.360 cannot analyze the twenty twenty nine Utah Jazz. I do 1045 00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:06.000 not know what that team will look like. I can 1046 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.559 only analyze what's in front of me. So before we 1047 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.360 move on, because we got a lot to do. Man, 1048 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.679 the playoffs have been so fun. Let's get the Tom 1049 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:17.840 Haberstrow most optimistic approach on how long this is going 1050 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.360 to take for the Jazz to get back to competition 1051 00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:22.480 at a high level in the West and what are 1052 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:23.880 the boxes that have to be checked? 1053 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:29.360 Well, Cooper Flag would help. I think in this draft 1054 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.480 that guy is probably year three before you start talking 1055 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.559 to playoffs. I think in most situations about three year 1056 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.000 runway with Larry Mark and Will Hardy, I think you 1057 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.719 can look at year two as being a real playoff contender. 1058 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.679 That's how good Cooper Flag is in my opinion. He's 1059 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.760 that polished and well rounded that if he's on the 1060 00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.199 floor playing thirty minutes a night for you, you're not 1061 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.920 going to have that many weaknesses. That's how good he is. 1062 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.559 And so whether they are going to be contending for 1063 00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:04.760 a playoff in the first year, I think not. No 1064 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:06.679 matter how good you are as a rookie, it's very 1065 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:08.400 hard for you as an eighteen year old, which is 1066 00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.039 going to be eighteen eighteen, nineteen year old as a rookie. 1067 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.320 No matter how good you are, it's very hard to 1068 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.840 be a playoff team right off the bat. I think 1069 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:20.599 year two you can start talking playing and playoff potential 1070 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:24.079 for the Utah Jazz with Walker Kestler, Larry Markinin and 1071 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:27.280 Cooper Flag. But we'll see about the backcourt. That's going 1072 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.760 to be key. But for this team without Cooper Flag, 1073 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:31.920 it's going to be four years, five years. 1074 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:36.960 Yeah, yeah, Now, we'll see. We'll have to see how 1075 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:37.559 it plays out. 1076 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:39.960 I mean, you know, every team needs that luck for 1077 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.000 all the and look, I'm certainly on a daylight today. 1078 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.639 We'll never speak illy you know, of Greg Popovich, but 1079 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:49.840 he'll be the first one to tell you Without Tim 1080 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.159 Duncan or David Robinson or Jenoe Bleer Pink, you got 1081 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.000 out players. You just have to have players. There's no 1082 00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:58.480 other way around it. The organization walking line as well 1083 00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.320 as our cornerstone. He's our big block. While he doesn't play, 1084 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.880 he coaches. This is a players league. Leading us to 1085 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.719 the teams that are now in the postseason. What impressed 1086 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:09.840 you most about the way the Warriors went in Houston 1087 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:11.280 and won Game seven. 1088 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.800 Buddy held man. I did not see that from Buddy Heeld. 1089 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.519 I could not believe that he was the guy who 1090 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.000 came up huge for the Golden State Warriors. Given the 1091 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.920 pedigree on that roster and that experience on the roster. 1092 00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:30.719 What Buddy Heel did to punish the way that the 1093 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.440 Houston Rockets were loading up on Steph Curry is one 1094 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.000 of the best Game seven performances I've seen a long time. 1095 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:40.800 It's not just that he scored thirty three points, it's 1096 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.760 the expectation level. Like Buddy Heel, has never been a 1097 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.880 playoff performer, and in fact, Buddy Heald coming into the 1098 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.159 last season, I'm not so sure he has won a 1099 00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:54.880 playoff game ever. And so like Buddy Heald has never 1100 00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.760 been big in this moment because he's never really been 1101 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.079 big on a good team before. And so when you 1102 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.920 see what he did on Sunday Night, where he's coming 1103 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.360 in there as a guy who's never won a playoff 1104 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.760 game in his life heading into this series and then 1105 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.440 coming up big in a two seven upset where he's 1106 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.320 making everything and making the smart play, moving the ball 1107 01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.679 when he has to, taking advantage, and being aggressive when 1108 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.559 he has to Buddy Healed and the way that he 1109 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.519 continued to make him so valuable on the floor was 1110 01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.119 something that I needed to see before I believed it. 1111 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:33.719 Like acquiring Buddy Heel to the regular seasons one thing, 1112 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.880 But to see that Buddy Heal can go thirty seven 1113 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.719 minutes in a playoff Game seven and be one of 1114 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:44.360 the best players on the floor and lead the game 1115 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:48.559 in scoring is another level and a weapon on the 1116 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.639 Golden State Warriors that they're going to need in this 1117 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:53.400 next years against Minnesota. I don't know about you, Spence, 1118 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:57.480 Like I'm a Steph Curry believer, but I didn't realize 1119 01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.079 that this is going to be the first series in 1120 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:03.519 which the Golden State Warriors are the underdog in the 1121 01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:08.320 last decade. Like that's astounding to me that they've never 1122 01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.400 been the underdog in a series until now in the 1123 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.840 last ten years, ten years, and part of that is 1124 01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:21.760 the size advantage that Minnesota has. But I still picked 1125 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:22.239 the Warriors. 1126 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:23.519 I have Warriors in seven. 1127 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:26.719 They've won the last three games against Minnesota. That was 1128 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.559 even before Jimmy Butler. Kevon Looney was not a huge 1129 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.199 performer in the entirety of this series against Houston, But 1130 01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.719 I think he's gonna be big against Rudy Gobert, and 1131 01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:38.679 I just if we saw that from Buddy Heeld, I 1132 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.039 needed to see it in a game seven. That's a 1133 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.320 new dimension for the Warriors that they're gonna have that 1134 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.199 release valve when they load up on Steph Curry with 1135 01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:50.159 that size and they passed to Draymond Green, they can 1136 01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:55.360 credibly passed the Buddy Heald and get an open shot 1137 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:58.280 and have him hit that. So that was man, that 1138 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.800 was a surprise. That was like in a a season 1139 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.840 finale where they reveal the killer and you're like that guy, 1140 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.440 like I did not know he had it in him. 1141 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.199 And I was very impressed with Buddy Healed. And they're 1142 01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:12.440 gonna need against Minnesota. 1143 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.639 All right, let's go back to Saturday, and you know, 1144 01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:19.920 there are there are simply stretches. And this might say 1145 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.199 as much about the Clippers as it does about Denver, 1146 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:26.159 but there's there was about a fourteen or fifteen minute 1147 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.239 stretch between the second and the third quarter. When Denver 1148 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.480 plays like that, you just go, they're as good as 1149 01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.360 any team left, including Boston or Okay see, and maybe 1150 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.519 it was lack of effort from the Clippers, it was 1151 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.840 just a decent Kawhi game and you wrote on this 1152 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:43.920 so I will stand in this microphone. It was yet 1153 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:46.800 another Game seven failure from James Harden and you have 1154 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.119 dubted in the cave. Maybe that's not the fairest narrative 1155 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:51.480 in the world, but was Game seven and ballery in 1156 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.800 Was that more about who Denver can be when they 1157 01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:57.079 do what they did the clips over the second and 1158 01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.039 the third quarter or was that an indictment on the 1159 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:00.320 clips or maybe a bit of both. 1160 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:04.119 Man, I think. 1161 01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:10.920 James Harden is really really difficult to rally around in 1162 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.199 the playoffs when it gets deep into a series. For 1163 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:18.480 this reason, he is a three shot foul hunter the 1164 01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:20.800 likes we have never seen in the NBA, and in 1165 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.159 the regular season that works. He is unbelievably good on 1166 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:27.559 the perimeter at hitting threes and being able to draw 1167 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.159 that three shot foul. He gets his legs taken out 1168 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.960 from under him, he exaggerates contact, he gets that call. 1169 01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:37.960 But as these games get deeper into a series and 1170 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:41.079 the referees have seen James Harden and the way that 1171 01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:45.119 Denver's playing him, he's not getting that call, and Denver 1172 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.599 made them pay. Look, James Harden is not the biggest 1173 01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:54.159 choke artist in game sevens in NBA history. I ran 1174 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.360 the numbers, I've looked at the tape. This guy has 1175 01:03:57.440 --> 01:03:59.679 had some duds, but he has shown up in Game 1176 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.239 seven before and his decline from his regular seat, his 1177 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:07.320 regular season performance, postseason performance to game seven, his Game 1178 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.079 seven drop off isn't nearly as seismic as some other 1179 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:15.159 players in the NBA. And it's crazy to say this 1180 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.679 on the surface, but Jokic just has some duds in 1181 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:22.360 Game seven, fallen off from his normal performances. I'm not 1182 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.039 saying James Harden is better than Jokic. Certainly we saw 1183 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.079 what happened in Game seven. But the issue with James 1184 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.920 Harden is he can't shoot in these big moments. He 1185 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.800 was one of four from Downtown, two of eight for 1186 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.800 the game, and he I think lets the referees and 1187 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.559 the whistle get in his head a little bit where 1188 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.719 he's like, if I'm not getting these foul calls, I 1189 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:47.800 have to turn into role player playmaker. And you saw 1190 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.440 thirteen assists that just two turnovers. Wasn't looking for his shot. 1191 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:56.480 Denver knew that he had another great first quarter coming out, 1192 01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:00.320 and it just seems like he loses steam and the 1193 01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.000 Clippers just aren't young enough to rely on Kawhi Leonard 1194 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.400 and be like, all right, when James doesn't have it going, 1195 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.559 we can just go to Kawhi. As the season goes 1196 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.199 on and the postseason goes on, I just think it's 1197 01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:15.920 harder and harder to compensate for Harden in a game 1198 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.960 six or game seven, and when he shifts into playmaker 1199 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.559 mode and past first guy, he needs someone who's got 1200 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.159 that Alpha in him. And right now at James Harden's 1201 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:31.000 stage of his career, look, James Harden is the all 1202 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:35.920 time leading steals guy in a game seven. He's one 1203 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:40.079 of the best shot blockers, is over a block per 1204 01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:45.239 game in game sevens. He's fourth all time in assists 1205 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:49.079 per game in game sevens. He's got a really good 1206 01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.559 efficiency metric in game sevens. The problem is he just 1207 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:55.239 can't hit threes. And a lot of that I think 1208 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.239 has to do with the officiating and the fact that 1209 01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.440 they were swallowing those whistles and saying we're not going 1210 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.840 to fall for it. We're not going to fall for 1211 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.159 the Oki dough. When you fall onto the ground, Denver 1212 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:06.800 is going to get that ball and they're going to 1213 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.599 go the other direction. There's a possession in the second 1214 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.320 quarter highlight on Tomdefinder dot Com that signified the problems 1215 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.639 when you build around James Harden. He's not getting those 1216 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.920 foul calls. He's just another guy, all right. 1217 01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:21.800 Moving over now, if I told you that the Cavs 1218 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:24.320 are in trouble, would you? And I felt like this 1219 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:28.880 before Game one, I mean Indiana since January when Rick 1220 01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.800 Carlisle made some adjustments to the rotation and they got healthy, 1221 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.239 they've just been kind of one of those teams that's 1222 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:36.519 a total pain in the ass. And I always try 1223 01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.400 to be fairer because I hear a lot of, you know, 1224 01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.559 Donovan Mitchell playoff narratives, and Donovan has had his fair 1225 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.599 share of when the lights are at their brightest and 1226 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.280 when his teams have an opportunity to take that next step, 1227 01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:53.320 he hasn't necessarily delivered. I've also watched him drop half 1228 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.480 one hundred in playoff games a couple of times, and 1229 01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:57.920 I think he has five forty plus playoff games and 1230 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:00.960 two fifty plus up playoff game, so it's not like 1231 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:04.119 he's never getting it done in the postseason. But there 1232 01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:07.159 is something about this matchup and if I'm a Cavs fan, man, 1233 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:08.320 I'm a big concern. 1234 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.119 Tell me your thoughts. 1235 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.679 I'm not, I'm not. I think this is a makero 1236 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:16.559 miss league. And just like in Utah, when you have 1237 01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.920 a team that predicated on three point shooting, you got 1238 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:22.480 to hit those shots. And you know what, that's true 1239 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:25.159 for every team in the league, like Indiana shut the 1240 01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:28.760 heck out of the ball. Nineteen of thirty six made 1241 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.960 over fifty three percent of their three balls in that game. 1242 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.400 The Calves, led by Donovan Mitchell only at nine to 1243 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.800 thirty eight, one of the worst three point shooting performances 1244 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:44.440 in Calves history. That's not going to do it. You 1245 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.519 lost thirty points in the three point calm. The team 1246 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.639 the Caves that normally kill you from downtown, they had 1247 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.159 a bad night. And look, some of that is scheme, 1248 01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.000 but I think most of it is just the shots 1249 01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:00.800 weren't falling, and Donovan Mitchell scoring thirty three on thirty 1250 01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:05.639 shot attempts is not going to cut it. I think 1251 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.840 this is one of those games where Kenny Atkinson just says, 1252 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:13.320 next game, let's try to get Darius Garland healthy and 1253 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.079 try to get those same looks because on the other side, 1254 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:21.760 I think Indiana hit some tough shots and they were 1255 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:26.159 playing harder, and sometimes that stuff gets rewarded by the 1256 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:29.119 three point shooting. But I'm looking at the three point 1257 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.720 calm and the fact that the Cavs out rebounded them, 1258 01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:35.439 they took care of the ball, they shot better than 1259 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.239 them on Tues. And the only thing really that they 1260 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.520 got beat on was something that they got romped on 1261 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:43.880 is the three point calm. And it was a close 1262 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.479 game until the very end, and if some of those 1263 01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:48.760 shots go the other way. I know it's not a 1264 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:52.000 very compelling answer, but in a make or miss league, 1265 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.600 when you lose by thirty points in the three point column, 1266 01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:58.880 I just think you flush it down the toy and 1267 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:01.399 you go to Game two. They might get Terius Garland, 1268 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.560 one of the most dynamic backcourt players in the league. 1269 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.520 That will certainly help things. They need him healthy in 1270 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:08.880 order to beat the Indiana Pacers, That's for sure. They 1271 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.399 need to have a mobile healthy. They need DeAndre Hunter 1272 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:16.359 to be healthy. But thos are more concerned about the 1273 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:20.079 health on the Cavs side than anything. Schematically. I thought 1274 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.399 that that Game one was as bad as they played, 1275 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:25.960 especially on hitting shots and shot making, and I'm not 1276 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:29.760 too concerned. I think the kas are I think the 1277 01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:31.439 Kaws are going to still gonna win this series. But 1278 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:34.840 that was not a good first game out of that group, all. 1279 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:36.159 Right, before I set you loose. 1280 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:39.920 In ninety minutes, they're tipping off the TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts. 1281 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.000 And I love me some Jalen, and I love that 1282 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.760 the Knicks are at least relevant again and have been 1283 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.560 for a few years since, you know, basically in my opinion, 1284 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:50.600 not being relevant since the late nineties. 1285 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.800 So I like this next team, you know. 1286 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:58.279 I know that the Mikel Bridges acquisition and even og 1287 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.880 you know, acquired with the idea of matching up with 1288 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.960 Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown and maybe Drew Holliday's compromise, 1289 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.039 but they still have Derek White, and both those two 1290 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:10.720 guards are capable of really making it hard on Jalen 1291 01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.000 and Tom. They just asked Jalen to do everything. I 1292 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.760 feel like nobody's giving the Knicks, even a Mike Tyson 1293 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.720 uppercut knockout random, you know, even kind of a chance here. 1294 01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:23.479 Do you feel the same? What you what are your 1295 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:25.159 thoughts as we started the second round series? 1296 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.680 Yeah, I got Boston in five man. They got Boston 1297 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:34.119 in five I mean, I I look at this Boston 1298 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.760 five out system is way too good and on another 1299 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.640 level than what we saw with the Pistons that often 1300 01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:43.760 had two guys on the floor that couldn't shoot. The 1301 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.560 optionality that the Boston Celtics offense has where they got 1302 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:50.800 playmakers at every position. They got guys who can shoot 1303 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:53.039 at every position, the guys who can play off the 1304 01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:56.279 dribble in every position, and I just think that's so 1305 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.800 much harder to defend. And then this Knxt team, it's 1306 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:03.560 and mckel bridges that I worry about. It's the fact 1307 01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:06.159 that the Boston Celtics have a guy at every position 1308 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:10.199 that can hunt Karl Anthony Towns or Jalen Brunson on 1309 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:13.840 any given possession. And I'm sorry, but that offense, the 1310 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:18.039 Knicks offense, they were a bottom ten offense for half 1311 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.960 the season. They were not a good offense against the 1312 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.520 Detroit Pistons. This Boston team is better in every respect, 1313 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.880 and I just think that the Knicks don't have enough 1314 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:30.840 on both ends of the floor with that five man 1315 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.760 unit with Kat and mckel bridges and og Josh Hart 1316 01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:38.560 and Jalen Brunson. I just think that, yes, they were 1317 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:43.479 built to try to handle the Boston Celtics, but this 1318 01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:48.279 Boston Celtics has a different engine in that car, and 1319 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.840 I just think it's going to be a different series 1320 01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:53.239 than Detroit. And a lot of the issues that the 1321 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:57.079 Detroit exposed about the Knicks but weren't quite able to 1322 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.640 capitalize on. I think the Boston Celtics are going to 1323 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.079 make quick work of the New York Knicks. I just 1324 01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.000 think the Knicks defense isn't that good, and I think 1325 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:07.279 Kat and Jalen Brunson defensively are going to be really 1326 01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:08.199 exposed in this series. 1327 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:09.479 Where can people get to work? 1328 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.560 Tommy Hey, Tomafinder dot com. I really appreciate people. Go 1329 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.279 subscribe to my substack also at Yahoo Sports with Kevin 1330 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.399 O'Connor and Dan Devine, two shows a week over at 1331 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:22.560 Yahoo's Sports. Go check out the YouTube over there, And 1332 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:27.039 of course I appreciate Basketball Illuminati listeners. Always a good 1333 01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:30.199 time on that show. We got Steve Jones joining us, 1334 01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.960 the former assistant coach and video coordinator for the Brooklyn 1335 01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.359 Nets and Memphis grizz is going to join us this week. 1336 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:39.159 You've probably already followed him on Steve Jones twenty on Twitter. 1337 01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:42.319 He's awesome and we have another great episode coming up 1338 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.680 on Wednesday. As at Basketball Illuminati appreciated Spence as always. 1339 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:48.239 All right, my man Tom Haberstrow. We will catch a 1340 01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.920 quick break coming up. On the other side, Richard Smith 1341 01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:53.359 rolls through for an entire hour. We'll get his take 1342 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:56.119 on the news that Will Hardy has been extended through 1343 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.960 twenty thirty one. 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Richard Smitty 1358 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:42.960 Smith is back on the drive on ESPN seven hundred. 1359 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:45.760 All right, coming up at the end of this segment, 1360 01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:49.279 we are giving away one round of golf to Davis Park, 1361 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.159 which is a great track up north. 1362 01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:52.640 It is the. 1363 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:53.520 Festival of Teas. 1364 01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:56.680 I have tasked Smitty with coming up with a trivia question, 1365 01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:01.039 an NBA jazz related, maybe Draft related trivia question that 1366 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:03.199 he's going to drop on you coming up. We'll call 1367 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:06.399 that about twenty minutes from right now, and the first 1368 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:08.159 person to text in the answer, We're gonna send you 1369 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:11.600 up to play Davis Park in honor of our Festival 1370 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.000 of T's brought to you by the UGA, So stay 1371 01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.000 tuned for that and live in studio, fresh off a 1372 01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:19.880 trip down south where he was watching some of the 1373 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:23.560 world's greatest LPGA golfers play at the Black Desert Championship. 1374 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:25.399 Is Richard Smith, Smitty? How are you, man? 1375 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:25.680 Man? 1376 01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:29.079 It was a fun weekend too, Spence a great golf 1377 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:33.159 You know, you you watch the women in the LPGA 1378 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:39.239 up close, and you recognize quickly how how precise they 1379 01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:41.600 are and everything they do when they get over the 1380 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:44.199 ball and they get ready to hit it, everything is 1381 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.600 lined up. Everything is just textbook. I mean, and I 1382 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.880 mean everybody, every single player. I was just you know, 1383 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:56.640 fascinated by by how precise and distinct they are when 1384 01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.720 they get over the ball, you know, whether it's on 1385 01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:01.760 the tea, in the middle of the fairway, on the green. 1386 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:04.039 It's uh, it was fun to watch, fun to be 1387 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:05.199 a part of course. 1388 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:06.800 In good shape, the highlights, it's awesome. 1389 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:10.680 Course was in great shape. The uh, the Black Desert 1390 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:14.560 administrative people down there, they just they go all out 1391 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.279 to make sure that that that that tournament, the course 1392 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.840 is ready to go. And I think the players loved 1393 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:26.520 it and looked the winning score but by you was 1394 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.680 the it was twenty sixth under and the winning score 1395 01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:33.199 last fall and the PG but Matt McCarty was was 1396 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:36.279 I believe it was twenty five under. And so the 1397 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.039 players love it. The players love the course, and it's 1398 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:42.199 a scorable course. You know, it's not there's a lot 1399 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.319 of places you can't get in a lot of trouble. 1400 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.800 As long as you hit the ball pretty straight, I mean, 1401 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:47.920 you're gonna be rewarded. 1402 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:49.640 Well. 1403 01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:50.800 I almost broke eighty there. 1404 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:51.359 I can't. 1405 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:53.479 I can't relate to what the pros do. 1406 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:56.439 Is it hard for you to deal with your newfound 1407 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.000 celebrity status after coming on this radio program? 1408 01:15:59.119 --> 01:15:59.600 Am? 1409 01:15:59.640 --> 01:15:59.800 Yet? 1410 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:00.000 Yeah? 1411 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:00.640 This is tough. 1412 01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:02.399 I mean I'm sure people were coming up to you 1413 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:04.399 left and right like aren't you Smitty from the drive? 1414 01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:04.640 Well? 1415 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:08.720 I had that, but you know, I fortunately the radio 1416 01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.359 station here is kind enough to send two bodyguards with 1417 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.079 me where right go and for that that takes care 1418 01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:15.720 of a lot of the crowd issues. 1419 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:17.479 Good good, good, well good, great to have you in 1420 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.239 on a daylight today where some unexpected news drop that 1421 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.119 the Utah Jazz and their head coach Will Hardy have 1422 01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:26.960 agreed to a contract extension through twenty thirty one and Smitty, 1423 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.239 as you know, Will was hired in twenty twenty two 1424 01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:31.600 after Quinn left, and they gave him a five year 1425 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.760 contract with three guaranteed years and then two years of 1426 01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:37.239 team options what they've already picked, which they've already picked up. 1427 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.000 So prior to today, he was under contract through twenty 1428 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.479 twenty six. Now he's under contract through twenty thirty one. 1429 01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:47.119 This is pretty rare. 1430 01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:50.159 I mean for a coach you get a nine year runway, right, 1431 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:52.960 And so I wonder what you make of the decision 1432 01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:55.680 of both the Jazz to offer and Will to accept. 1433 01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:58.479 Well, first of all, I think the Jazz are smart, 1434 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:01.640 smart because they have they have a guy in place 1435 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:04.880 that they they've worked with now, uh, every day for 1436 01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:11.399 three years. So they've had obviously, uh, an expansive ability 1437 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:13.640 to look at you know, what they think about him. 1438 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:16.680 Not it's not so much obviously as we know Spencer, 1439 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.520 the current iteration of the Jazz on the floor, it's 1440 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.359 not about the wins and losses. It's about setting a culture, 1441 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:28.079 setting an an approach, a philosophy that you feel your 1442 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:32.000 organization can can wrap its arms around and can be 1443 01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:35.760 part of going forward over a long term basis. They've 1444 01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:39.760 obviously looked at that the last three years and determined 1445 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:41.840 that Will Hardy is a guy they want to they 1446 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.159 want to work with long term. 1447 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:43.760 Uh. 1448 01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.399 He's a guy that they feel fit what they're trying 1449 01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:50.439 to to get accomplished there and uh. And so it's 1450 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:53.680 a great, you know, great idea for them to lock 1451 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:57.239 somebody up like that, uh, that that they feel comfortable with, 1452 01:17:57.560 --> 01:18:00.960 that they feel is is doing things the way they 1453 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.079 would like them to get done. On the flip side, 1454 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:07.279 For Will Hardy, it gives him, you know, obviously not 1455 01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:14.119 just some coaching stability and longevity, but allows him the 1456 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:17.680 idea that, hey, these guys believe in me, and so 1457 01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:21.279 I've got to do whatever I can to return that 1458 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:25.000 faith in that trust by working hard every day, by 1459 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.840 trying to get us better, by trying to get this 1460 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:32.359 program back on track the way we all want it 1461 01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:35.880 to be. And so it gives him an inner peace. 1462 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:39.000 And it's not just about the length of the contract 1463 01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:40.880 and the money and all that kind of stuff, but 1464 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.399 it's about the idea that obviously, the people I work 1465 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.800 for have this kind of trust in me, so I 1466 01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.840 have to trut the best I can to return that 1467 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.039 to them in terms of how I do my job. 1468 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.239 So Smeddie as you know better than anybody, these coaches 1469 01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:58.560 oftentimes are hired to be fired. 1470 01:18:58.840 --> 01:18:58.960 Right. 1471 01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:04.640 This is aion and an industry with tremendous volatility, and 1472 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:08.319 oftentimes a new owner comes in and it's like, if 1473 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:11.079 you buy the house, you're gonna put your own furniture in. 1474 01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.079 If you buy the house, you want to remodel it, 1475 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.880 so it's what you want it to be because it's 1476 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:21.439 yours now. So I get Will Hardy jumping at the 1477 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.600 opportunity to essentially, like I said, have a nine year 1478 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.199 runway between the day he took the job and the 1479 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:28.560 day his contract expires. 1480 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.119 Now, does it mean that he's going to be here 1481 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:31.680 for nine years? 1482 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:32.439 No, we know the deal. 1483 01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:34.760 I mean he could be fired tomorrow and who knows 1484 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:39.000 what's going to happen. So and certainly this year with 1485 01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:42.039 a coaching cycle, Taylor Jenkins losing his job after doing 1486 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:44.680 a great job in Memphis, Michael Malone wins a championship 1487 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:47.399 two years ago, and that's not enough to allow him 1488 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.439 to keep his job and coaching a team that was 1489 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.399 and still is in the playoffs and was really good. 1490 01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:56.560 It's a wild industry, and I get it that if 1491 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:58.520 you will, you jump at the opportunity to do it 1492 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.399 because you have security in a space where there really 1493 01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:03.800 isn't security even for some of the greatest that we've seen. 1494 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:07.199 But is this a risk for Will because and you know, 1495 01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:10.239 I keep talking about this, twenty one years since the 1496 01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:13.720 Charlotte Hornets have won a playoff series, twenty one years 1497 01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:17.079 since the Kings have won they a playoff series, The 1498 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:19.640 Detroit Pistons, who once upon a time were a great, 1499 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:21.520 great team back in the day, have not won a 1500 01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.279 home playoff game since two thousand and eight. You were 1501 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.439 part of several front offices that were able to pivot 1502 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:29.840 quickly to get back to competitiveness. 1503 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:31.600 They're not close. 1504 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.239 And whenever I talk about any of these really long 1505 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:38.880 playoff droughts, it's a reminder to our community how lucky 1506 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.680 we've been about how quickly front offices that you were 1507 01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:44.880 a part of were able to pivot to get us back. 1508 01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:47.880 If we're honest and we're looking at the Jazz roster 1509 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:49.960 and we juxtaposed it to the teams in the Western 1510 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:54.159 Conference playoffs, they're simply not close. With the talent that 1511 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.279 Will has in the locker room. Is this a risk 1512 01:20:57.439 --> 01:20:59.399 for Will to decide he wants to sign on for 1513 01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:01.880 this long term and project with no guarantees that you've 1514 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:04.439 got the talent that you need to compete heading this 1515 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:05.319 way anytime soon? 1516 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:05.920 Yeah? 1517 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:08.720 I would. I would push back on that spence. I don't. 1518 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:12.239 If you're a coach and you're getting offered a multi 1519 01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:16.880 year contract extension with any organization, uh, You're you're going 1520 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.920 to take that Primarily because as I mentioned, I'm gonna 1521 01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:25.520 go it's two things. One, you're you're getting that that 1522 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:28.760 kind of support from the people you report to that 1523 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:32.159 we like you, we believe in how you're doing it. 1524 01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.720 You keep on doing what you're doing, and we're behind 1525 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:38.640 you and we're giving you this kind of of support 1526 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:41.640 to to make that happen. And then the other part 1527 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.640 is as a coach, you want to be in a 1528 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.399 position where you can show that you can improve the 1529 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:51.840 situation you're in. You can get a team better, you 1530 01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:56.920 can get players better, and the stability it brings and 1531 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:01.680 the confidence it brings to someone is really something that 1532 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:05.520 you have to take in large measure. There's a smaller 1533 01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:08.159 part of it, Spence, that nobody ever talks about, which 1534 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:12.680 is simply that there's a real world issue to this, 1535 01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.680 and that is that if you're a will hardy and 1536 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:19.000 you're in a position like that, you have a house 1537 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:23.359 payment to make, you have children to feed, you have 1538 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:26.520 a family to take care of. So you know, if 1539 01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:29.279 you get an opportunity to sign a deal like this, 1540 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:31.760 to be able to be part of something that you 1541 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.279 believe in, that you think has a chance to improve 1542 01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:41.039 with your input and your leadership and the organization is saying, hey, yeah, 1543 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.479 you're our guy. This isn't some what I call sometimes 1544 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.760 Spencer a fake extension where the guy got an extra 1545 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.600 year put on his contract because he had a good season, 1546 01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:56.359 which we see a lot of times in professional sports. 1547 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:59.239 The organization went out and said, we're going to give 1548 01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:03.399 you this extent for another six years, you know, which 1549 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:07.520 is a long time for someone who quite frankly hasn't 1550 01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.079 had a winning record. You can say we haven't had 1551 01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:12.279 the players, he hasn't been able to do that, Okay, 1552 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:16.560 But obviously they believe in his approach and his philosophy 1553 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:19.880 enough to say the wins and the lack of wins 1554 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.520 to this point really doesn't matter. We believe in how 1555 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:26.479 you do your stuff. We've been around you for three years. 1556 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.239 We know that you're the kind of guy that we 1557 01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:32.720 want leading our group going forward. And all of that 1558 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:36.479 is symbiotic. You know, they help you, you help them. 1559 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.399 Everybody's in it together, and it's a big it's a 1560 01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:43.039 big moment for the organization to all be on the 1561 01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:43.920 same page. 1562 01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:46.840 In that regard with Greg Popovich stepping down, and I 1563 01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:48.560 do want to get to that in a moment Eric 1564 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:52.279 Sposter is the longest tenured coach in Pro basketball seventeen 1565 01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:56.720 years in Miami, Steve Kerr eleven years in Golden State. 1566 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.640 The third longest tenured coach is Tom Thibodeaux with the 1567 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:02.399 New York Knicks. 1568 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:03.359 Five years. 1569 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:03.760 There we go. 1570 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.760 So if Will coaches through the end of his contract 1571 01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:08.319 and it's nine years, it would make him the third 1572 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.239 longest tenured coach as we currently sit here. 1573 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.560 And that underscores your point, doesn't it. 1574 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:14.720 If you get there right, if you get to that right. 1575 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:19.439 I mean, so Tibbs is the third longest tenured five years. 1576 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:23.439 That just there's thirty teams in the league spense, So 1577 01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:27.760 you're talking about the third longest tenured guy. There's another 1578 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:31.840 twenty seven teams that are after him who have had 1579 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.520 coaches less than five years. I mean, come on, how 1580 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.760 do you expect to gain any traction? How do you 1581 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:43.119 expect to have any stability in your organization to be 1582 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:47.439 able to build upon something when you just keep stopping 1583 01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:51.520 and starting, stopping and starting hiring a guy, firing a guy, 1584 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:55.920 changing general managers, changing the head coach. Like that's why 1585 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:58.479 you see a lot of these organizations can never get 1586 01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:03.000 anything going because they don't have the patients. They don't 1587 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.640 have the foresight to be able to see that if 1588 01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:09.600 you get something in place that you think makes sense 1589 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:13.159 for you, that you want to keep that in place 1590 01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:17.479 over an extended period of time so you have some longevity, 1591 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:21.239 so you have an ability to get some traction, to 1592 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.720 get some footing to see what's going on. Obviously, the 1593 01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:29.720 Jazz front office led by Danny Ainge justin Zanik, and 1594 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:32.560 then their ownership of course with Ryan and Ashley Smith, 1595 01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:34.000 have looked at it and said, we. 1596 01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:36.319 Want will Hardy to be here long term. 1597 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.720 That's the only way we can put some stakes in 1598 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:44.560 the ground and and continue to drive this thing brick 1599 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:45.840 by brick by brick. 1600 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.920 And that's the commitment they made today. 1601 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:49.840 I'm not even gonna ask you to guess who the 1602 01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:53.239 fourth longest tenured coach is if you want to go ahead, but. 1603 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:59.479 You would have about Tylu Dannel. 1604 01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:00.600 It's not he's sixth. 1605 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:04.119 Okay, okay, I'm in the I'm in the vicinity right 1606 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:06.880 hold on, let me let me scan it quickly. 1607 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:08.800 It blew my mind when I read it quick because 1608 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:10.439 I feel like he was hired yesterday. 1609 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:11.000 Quickly. 1610 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.079 Chris Finch it's Billy Donovan. 1611 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:19.039 It's Billy Donovan. 1612 01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:21.520 I feel like they hired him last week. 1613 01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:22.640 Yeah, yeah, I see. 1614 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:26.439 And Billy's had you know, they've had uneven results, right, 1615 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.520 they've had uneven results. And they've had a team that 1616 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:31.760 they put together a few years ago that they thought, 1617 01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:35.439 you know, you know, it could be sustainable with a 1618 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:39.199 Lonzo Ball and and and Uh and Zach Lavine and 1619 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.319 and uh and the Big Kid and they just you know, 1620 01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.560 they couldn't get any you know, they were okay but 1621 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.880 not great. But they they've stayed in that gray area. See, 1622 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.359 And that's that's what the killer thing is in the 1623 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:54.640 NBA spence is if you're an organization, if you're an owner, 1624 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.560 you know, we always would would say you want to 1625 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:01.560 be one of the top five teams, or if you 1626 01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:04.199 can't be that, you want to be one of the 1627 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:08.239 bottom five teams to have a chance to improve your 1628 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:12.279 your situation going forward. If you're one of the middle 1629 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:17.680 twenty teams, it doesn't make any sense. You're not going anywhere. 1630 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:21.119 That's what's happened to this point with the Chicago Bulls. 1631 01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:25.279 They've gone with Billy so far because he's proven that 1632 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.840 he's a winner both in college and in his days 1633 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:32.640 at Okay See. But you have to have some stability, 1634 01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:35.279 you have to believe in what you've got set up 1635 01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:39.640 in order to give yourself a chance long term to 1636 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:44.439 have some sustained level of success. They haven't had it 1637 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:48.520 in Chicago, but obviously to this point they've stuck by 1638 01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:51.600 their guns and part of it's their roster thing that 1639 01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:54.600 they've started to remake also in this last year. 1640 01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.560 So speaking of Greg Popovich, we heard from Coach pop 1641 01:27:57.600 --> 01:27:59.960 today for the first time since November of twenty two, 1642 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:04.520 twenty four, and I gotta say it kind of made 1643 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.640 me a little sad. And you know, I'm old enough 1644 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:13.359 now to have seen people and coaches that I loved 1645 01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:16.920 and respected in this league age. I can remember the 1646 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:18.800 first time I saw Jerry after I heard that he 1647 01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:21.359 wasn't well, and Jerry and his wife Tammy were good 1648 01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:23.119 enough to invite me to a playoff game and I 1649 01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:26.000 sat with them, and it just it makes you sad, 1650 01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:28.680 you know, when you see Jerry Sloan, who you used 1651 01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:32.840 to being that demonstrative leader just kind of age and 1652 01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:35.920 not look like the way that he did. And seeing 1653 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:37.920 Coach pop today kind of made me sad. You know, 1654 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.319 he spoke very softly. You could tell he's been through 1655 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.079 helen back and he lost his bride a couple of 1656 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.720 years ago, his wife of you know, I think forty 1657 01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:50.199 fifty years passed, and obviously he's had the stroke that 1658 01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:53.600 clearly has had a detrimental effect on him. I wonder, 1659 01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:55.960 Smittye if you could put some color and context into 1660 01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:59.039 a conversation that's happened over the years a number of 1661 01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:02.000 different times, which is the synergistic approach between the San 1662 01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:05.600 Antonio Spurs and the Utah Jazz and how Greg Popovich 1663 01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:08.159 has spoken often about how he wanted to use coach 1664 01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:11.239 Loan as a model. There was this great clip that 1665 01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:15.560 was going around after Pop broke coach Sloan's record for 1666 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.920 wins with an individual team. A reporter asked, I know 1667 01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.479 that wins and losses aren't everything to you, but you 1668 01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.079 did break Jerry Sloan's record, and Greg paused and said, 1669 01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:27.840 I'm not in his league and I never will be. 1670 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:31.720 There was always this reverent respect between coach Popovich and 1671 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:33.560 coach Sloan. You had a front row seat. I wonder 1672 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:35.079 if you could provide some context to that. 1673 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:38.600 Yeah, well, Pop would always say that. You know, early on, 1674 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:43.039 remember in the early nineties, Greg Popovich was the general 1675 01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.039 manager of the San Antonio Spurs. He had Bob Hill 1676 01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.399 as his coach. They decided to make a change ownership 1677 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:54.520 did in the mid nineties, and they put a Pop 1678 01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.520 in the coaching seat for the time being, and he 1679 01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:00.479 stayed there for, you know, for what seemed like forever. 1680 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.399 They also, let's let's let's call it the way it is. 1681 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:07.279 You know, you can be a good coach and and uh, 1682 01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:10.680 and I've heard many coaches, you know, say this along 1683 01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:13.359 the way, you know, whether they want to take credit 1684 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:16.159 or not. But you know, what makes a good coach 1685 01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:20.439 is good players. And Pop had the good fortune of 1686 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:23.479 of coming in right at the time when he had 1687 01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:27.600 David Robinson in his prime. Uh, they the ping pong 1688 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.039 balls that year fell their way. They got Tim Duncan, 1689 01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:33.439 happened to be in the draft that year. It just 1690 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:36.079 happened to be the year that David Robinson missed seventy 1691 01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:40.279 games during the season. And they go back, yeah, and 1692 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.640 they and and so they they they got in the 1693 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.399 lottery and they ended up put the number one pick 1694 01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:48.840 in that year in that draft. Just happened to be 1695 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:52.079 Tim Duncan. So now they got Tim Duncan, and then 1696 01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:56.000 they they they got Lucky, you know with the MONOGENOBILEI pick, 1697 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.239 which was late in the second round. You know, he 1698 01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:01.159 was he was playing in Italy and uh, and they 1699 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:03.359 they took him as as kind of a lark and 1700 01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:06.079 hopefully that they could get him over at some point, 1701 01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:08.720 which they did. And then they took Tony Parker, who 1702 01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:12.720 everybody thought could be a decent player, didn't know if 1703 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:14.840 he could be a point guard at the NBA level 1704 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:17.840 or not, if he was an undersized two. And he 1705 01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:20.560 came in with that group. And again, Spence, it's not 1706 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.880 just about you as an individual, but all the players 1707 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:26.560 that you're you're with and and how you how you 1708 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:29.159 coll ce with each other, and how you work with 1709 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:32.239 each other. And Tony Parker was the beneficiary of playing 1710 01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:35.479 with with three other Hall of Fame level guys as 1711 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:38.640 it turned out, and they had the terrific run that 1712 01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:43.000 they did. But coach Coach Pop was always very a 1713 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:47.239 complimentary of of of Jerry Sloan and always talked in 1714 01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:50.119 during the nineties while the Jazz were running the show. 1715 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:53.279 The Jazz didn't win a championship they played for two 1716 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.720 of them in the finals. But also during the decade 1717 01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:59.000 of the nineties spent a lot of people either don't 1718 01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:01.880 know or forgotten the fact that the Jazz won more 1719 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:05.039 games in the nineties than any team in the NBA. 1720 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:09.119 They won more, they won more games in the Chicago Bulls. 1721 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:11.800 They won more than the Lakers, they won more than 1722 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:15.359 they won more games than anybody. Okay, they were they 1723 01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:19.399 were a competitive team, and the championship level team for 1724 01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:22.800 a lot of years didn't work out. Had a couple 1725 01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:25.560 of you know, last minute shots by a guy named 1726 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:28.840 Jordan that that won a couple of finals games. Okay, 1727 01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:32.960 that's the way it goes. But Pop always said during 1728 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:37.159 that time, we're trying to emulate our franchise after the 1729 01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:41.880 Utah Jazz, the way they conduct themselves, the way they're coached, 1730 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.560 the way their front office runs their business, all of 1731 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:49.199 those kinds of things, which was always a very nice compliment, 1732 01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:53.399 and and he continued to say that whenever the opportunity 1733 01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:56.800 would come up, even after they were winning multiple championships, 1734 01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:59.239 to say, well, we're just I remember I remember talking 1735 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.680 to Sam Presty one time at a game we were 1736 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:04.359 both scouting down in Phoenix when when Sam was with 1737 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:09.079 the San Antonio front office before he went to Seattle, 1738 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:12.840 and that became okay, see thunder. And I remember him 1739 01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:15.239 saying to me, well, Smiddy, we're just we're just trying 1740 01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.319 to be like you guys. We're trying to figure out 1741 01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:19.479 how to jazz do it and and and do it 1742 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:23.079 the same way. And you know, which is the ultimate 1743 01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.039 compliment when when someone is saying they're trying to do 1744 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:29.520 things away, your organization does it. But the Jazz had 1745 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:34.119 that that kind of reputation all during the Miller ownership 1746 01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:38.760 because of the way things were handled, especially with Jerry 1747 01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:43.000 being at the forefront, and of course the Laden's running 1748 01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:46.000 the office in the nineties and then and then Kevin 1749 01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:48.520 O'Connor in the two thousands, and Dennis Lindsay and the 1750 01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:52.319 twenty tens and you know, had such a great run. 1751 01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:55.319 But but you have to part of it is you 1752 01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:57.239 have to have the players. You have to have good 1753 01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:00.520 players to be able to compete. That's the ain't thing. 1754 01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:03.960 But behind that you have to have some level of 1755 01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:08.960 stability and some continuity to what you're trying to do. 1756 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:11.720 And the the the uh. 1757 01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:16.720 The announcement today that the Jazz have given Will Hardy 1758 01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:21.159 this this long extension that says we want him to 1759 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:24.239 be the guy leading us on the floor and giving 1760 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:28.079 us that kind of continuity uh and stability. 1761 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:28.680 Uh. 1762 01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:31.319 Says a lot about what they think of Will and 1763 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:34.920 also what they think about how they're trying to conduct 1764 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:36.560 their business long term. 1765 01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:39.000 All right, Smitty, youre ready to drop a trivia question. 1766 01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:41.520 I'm gonna do my read, and while I'm doing my read, 1767 01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:43.399 I want you to come up with a good jazz 1768 01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:45.239 draft related you got one? 1769 01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:46.880 I got it, I got it in my head. I 1770 01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:49.439 got you know, I got to think of uh if 1771 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:51.359 I get yeah, I got I got Okay. 1772 01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:53.279 I'll do my read and then you dropped the question. 1773 01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:56.119 It's time now for the ESPN Festival at Ease, powered 1774 01:34:56.159 --> 01:35:00.479 by the Utah Golf Association. Each day of springd seven 1775 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:02.760 hundred is given away rounds of golf to the best 1776 01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.119 courses in the state. Listening to The Down and Dirty 1777 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:07.640 with Scott Mitchell from ten to eleven, the Sean O'Connell 1778 01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:10.479 Show from eleven to two, and of course this program 1779 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.359 which is called The Drive with Spence check Its from 1780 01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:14.079 two to six for your chance to win. Each day 1781 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.520 from ESPN seven hundred and the Utah Golf Association detail 1782 01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:19.039 is gonna. 1783 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:20.960 Be found at ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. 1784 01:35:21.039 --> 01:35:22.800 Now, Smitty, it's got to be a good one because 1785 01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:26.840 we are sending a lucky listener to Davis Park, which 1786 01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:28.960 is one of the most underrated tracks that we have 1787 01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:29.520 in the state. 1788 01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:32.720 I love that course. Hopefully I'm going there Thursday if 1789 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:34.399 I can get on out of guy. That's one of 1790 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:35.319 my favorite places. 1791 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:39.439 Okay, So today's Richard Smith trivia question is what. 1792 01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:42.560 Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this out actually for 1793 01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:46.199 our movie lovers as well and our Hollywood people. Okay, 1794 01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:50.960 all right, there's a famous, famous actor in Hollywood. His 1795 01:35:51.119 --> 01:35:54.359 name is Jason Siegel. He's worked in a lot of 1796 01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:57.439 TV shows, a lot of movies. I think a lot 1797 01:35:57.479 --> 01:36:00.439 of our our listeners may know him as a very 1798 01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:04.079 successful actor. Well, Jason Siegel, when he was in high school, 1799 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:08.640 played on the high school basketball team with a former 1800 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:12.960 jazz player. We want our fans to figure out who 1801 01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:17.279 the jazz player is that Jason Siegel played with in 1802 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:18.039 high school. 1803 01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:20.159 Spence go that. 1804 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:23.279 Well, I can't say it into the microphone, and I'll 1805 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.039 be honest with you, I don't even know the answer. 1806 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:28.600 Usually you drop a trivia question, like last week it 1807 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:30.680 was the second rounders. I knew it was millsap and mo. 1808 01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:33.479 I honestly don't know what the answer is, so you 1809 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:36.880 internet's loose, get to it. Jason Siego played high school 1810 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:40.520 basketball with a former member of the Utah Jazz First 1811 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:43.079 person who texts that into eight seven seven three five 1812 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.560 three zero seven hundred, We're going to send you to 1813 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:47.439 Davis Park, one of the best tracks that we have 1814 01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:49.479 in the state. All right, we'll catch a break. We 1815 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:51.399 got two hours down on a Monday. We got two 1816 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:54.239 hours to go on a Monday. Coming up next, the 1817 01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:58.680 NBA Draft lottery is one week from today. What's the 1818 01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:01.800 emotion like in the office when you have a lottery 1819 01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:04.319 pick that could mean so much? We'll also do some playoffs. 1820 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:07.399 Round two starts tonight. Richard Smith live in studio for 1821 01:37:07.399 --> 01:37:09.439 another big segment. Caught up on the other side right 1822 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:12.399 here on a ESPN seven hundred. All right, not to 1823 01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:17.800 give you the answer to the question, but the former 1824 01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:21.399 jazz man who Jason Siegel played high school basketball with. 1825 01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:24.119 It's actually up on his Wikipedia page, so you can 1826 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.760 find it. A lot easier than I thought you could. Smitty, 1827 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:28.760 I got to say, let's get Smitty's mic on. I 1828 01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:31.399 got to say, the most surprising part of this little 1829 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:33.479 rabbit hole you sent me down is to learn that 1830 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:36.560 Jason Siegel won a slam dunk contest a senior in 1831 01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:37.079 high school. 1832 01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:40.760 Wells, why why why are you giving like clues to 1833 01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.000 people to go with find the answer? 1834 01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:43.199 Like? 1835 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:46.079 This is, Smitty, I mean, this is like, you know, 1836 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:48.600 like the high school, like the high school teachers us. Yeah, 1837 01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:50.079 I just want to get these kids out of the 1838 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:52.079 clown want to get out of here. So yeah, give them, 1839 01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:53.399 give them the answers to the. 1840 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:55.279 Test, and respectfully, sir. 1841 01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:59.760 Uh, my guess is that a listener who probably is 1842 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:02.800 our You've been able to get the answer simply googled 1843 01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:05.600 Jason Siegel and went right to his Wikipedia page. I'm 1844 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:08.159 quite sure I did not wet some crazy clue out there. 1845 01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:10.880 That would be my guest. Porter, Do we have a 1846 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:13.520 winner to go golf at Davis Park? 1847 01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:14.720 We do? We do? 1848 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.680 Okay, so then we can you can you can expand so. 1849 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:20.159 Then we can say that the high school the teammate 1850 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:22.119 of Jason Seagal was one Jason Collins. 1851 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:25.760 Yes, yes, he played with Harvard Westlake, which is a 1852 01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:30.399 very prestigious private high school in the southern California, LA area. 1853 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:33.880 And both Jason and Jarn Collins went to Harvard west 1854 01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:38.439 Lake and from there obviously got recruited both of them 1855 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:42.279 to go play at Stanford collegiately and then had they 1856 01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:46.640 both had very extensive NBA careers, and Jason Siegal decided 1857 01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:50.800 to fake left go right and ended up going south 1858 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:53.800 instead of going north to Stanford, went south to Hollywood, 1859 01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:54.880 and and that was it. 1860 01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:57.279 Do you know Seagull was a good player at all. 1861 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.159 I mean, according to this Wikipedia page, those teams one 1862 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.520 state championships. But my guess is that's more about the 1863 01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:04.119 Collins twins than it was about Jason. 1864 01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:05.960 I would I would say so, but I don't know. 1865 01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:08.239 I don't know any of I just you know, I 1866 01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:12.880 only know that because one time, in some conversation I 1867 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:16.720 was having with Jaren, it was just like some random 1868 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:19.760 thing that came out. I think somebody had mentioned something 1869 01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:22.159 about a movie and a dinner one night when we 1870 01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:24.920 were on the road, and and Jared Collins said, yeah, 1871 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:26.840 that's funny. He goes, you know, I gotta I get 1872 01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:28.760 to call him and tell him that or something. I 1873 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.720 can't remember what it was about. And somebody said, what 1874 01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:32.880 do you mean, call him? He goes, you know, you 1875 01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:34.720 know I played in high school with him. What are 1876 01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:38.960 you talking about? You played high school with him, Jason Siegel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, 1877 01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:41.680 he's I call him up right now. We said, get 1878 01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:43.720 out of here, and he said, no, I'm serious. You 1879 01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:46.720 played with us at Harvard Westlake. Okay, that's what I 1880 01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:49.359 knew of it. I didn't know anything about a slam 1881 01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:53.800 dunk contest. I'd heard that or something. Jason, Jason or 1882 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:55.239 Jaron one of them was supposed to be in a 1883 01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:59.399 slam dunk contest or something, and and they deferred and said, hey, 1884 01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:01.439 let Jason do it, you know, let him do it whatever. 1885 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:04.399 Give him some give him some some props, you know. 1886 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:07.920 Okay, I just Jason Segel has never struck me as 1887 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:09.840 like a great athlete, just like one of those big, 1888 01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:12.479 you know, loopy Ben handlogged and type dudes. 1889 01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:13.520 Ben hand logged in. 1890 01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:15.960 Shout out, Ben hand LogD in, right, how shout out 1891 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:16.239 our guy? 1892 01:40:16.279 --> 01:40:19.439 Ben handloged that Monday out there. I want to see 1893 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:22.760 Jason Siegel dunk. I'm very curious about this. Uh, anyway, 1894 01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:25.479 we can move on Smitty one week from tonight, and 1895 01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:27.479 I just found out this morning we will have the 1896 01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:31.119 draft lottery live on our radio station coming up next 1897 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:33.840 week five o'clock straight up. We will say good night 1898 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:35.399 a little bit early for our show so we can 1899 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:38.239 bring the draft lottery to you guys. And I can't 1900 01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:41.279 remember a lottery as consequential for the Jazz as this 1901 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:45.079 one could potentially be. Uh, As a guy who scouted 1902 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:47.640 and was part of four rooms for decades, what's it 1903 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:48.960 like over there, Prepper, you know. 1904 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:51.640 As far as their preparation for next Monday, Well, I. 1905 01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:55.720 Mean, you know, they're preparing just for the draft in general. Sure, 1906 01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:58.199 obviously they have no control. This is one of those 1907 01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:02.399 things we've talked about before, Spence, where the Jazz have 1908 01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:06.920 certain things under their control that they can work at 1909 01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:10.279 to try and get their team better, which is, you know, 1910 01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:14.960 you know, how you draft who you draft. Obviously they've 1911 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.760 had several picks in the last couple of drafts and 1912 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.720 this the jury is still out. I think I think, 1913 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.479 at least my own opinion on all of those guys, 1914 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:27.000 whether they're going to be you know, substantial NBA guys 1915 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.880 of any of any sort. But you could control those 1916 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:34.039 things and how you do your your scouting and how 1917 01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:36.960 you do your evaluation. But then there are things that 1918 01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:41.479 you don't control that just happened to you, that could 1919 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.479 potentially fall in your lap that can help or hurt 1920 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.039 you know what you're trying to get done. And of 1921 01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:51.399 course the draft lottery in a week is going to 1922 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:55.079 be one of those things that can help or delay 1923 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:57.920 what they're trying to do. If they get the first pick, 1924 01:41:57.960 --> 01:41:59.880 which is they're going to go into it with a 1925 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:04.840 fourteen chance of getting that first pick, then they would, 1926 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:10.039 most likely, as everybody would think, be looking hard at 1927 01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:14.680 drafting the freshman out of Duke Cooper Flag, who I 1928 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.439 think is gonna be a very good pro. I think 1929 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:19.079 he's gonna be a very good player. He's gonna remind 1930 01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:21.560 people when he comes in the league whoever he plays 1931 01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:25.760 for of a to me some kind of a combination 1932 01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:31.880 of Gordon Hayward slash Larry Bird type skills, because he 1933 01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:36.199 passes the ball, he's a team player, he's a smart 1934 01:42:36.720 --> 01:42:41.279 he gets he plays both ends of the floor. He's 1935 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:46.239 not the shooter that Larry Bird is, you know. I 1936 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:48.960 think he might be a little bit better defender maybe 1937 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:54.319 than both Larry Bird and Gordon Hayward early in their careers, 1938 01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:58.119 because he's a very competitive guy. He's a tough guy. 1939 01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:02.159 He also has some ability to actually uh be a 1940 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:05.800 rim protector at his size at six', nine he has 1941 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:09.600 a very good instincts as a help. Defender and so 1942 01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:12.920 he's he's a guy they're gonna be looking hard at 1943 01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:16.159 whoever whoever gets the number one, Pick AND i, THINK 1944 01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:19.000 i really think there's there's a there's an argument to 1945 01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:22.239 be made between him and uh and The Dylan harper 1946 01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:25.520 kid out Of, rutgers who WHO i think is gonna 1947 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:29.880 be a terrific uh N b a point guard because 1948 01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:33.960 he has the size at six five sixty. Six, uh 1949 01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:37.720 he has the, mentality he has the. Toughness uh he's 1950 01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:40.399 a great pick and roll. Guy he's a very good 1951 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:44.199 free throw. Shooter he doesn't mind getting in the, lane taking, 1952 01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:46.600 hits getting back to the, floor get, up go to 1953 01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.800 the free throw, line knock him. Down he's got some 1954 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:52.199 toughness to his. Game SO i like both of those. 1955 01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:55.720 Guys if The jazz end up with the first or second, 1956 01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:56.520 pick it's gonna be. 1957 01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:59.800 Interesting nine times in the draft lottery for The, jazz 1958 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.680 which is stunning if you think about. It fifty years 1959 01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:05.880 of jazz, basketball nine lottery. Appearances of, course the lottery 1960 01:44:05.960 --> 01:44:09.159 as we know it started in eighty four with my Guy. 1961 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:11.760 Patrick Ewing lady In New. 1962 01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:15.039 York Sagra meno has been in it twenty seven, Times 1963 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:19.720 Golden state twenty three, Times charlotte twenty three, Times philly nineteen, 1964 01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:22.520 times The lakers fourteen, times nine. 1965 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:23.359 Times is pretty. 1966 01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:25.800 STUNNING i mean that goes to what we were talking about, 1967 01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:28.199 earlier how quickly you guys were always able to pivot 1968 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:29.720 and get back to being good well. 1969 01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:34.640 The jazz over the years during The miller, ownership obviously 1970 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:38.720 they had great teams With Stockton, malone who a lot 1971 01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:43.000 of people know about Their hall Of fame, careers but 1972 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:45.159 a lot of people aren't aware of the fact that 1973 01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:47.600 the reason they were good for so long is that 1974 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:51.960 for thirteen of the eighteen years That stocked in To 1975 01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:55.439 malone played, together neither guy missed the. 1976 01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:58.239 Game so they say that into that. 1977 01:44:58.399 --> 01:45:02.159 Microphone, well the, Thing, spence at that, time we used 1978 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:06.159 to play eight preseason. Games they would always play in 1979 01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:08.680 all of the games because they wanted to play and 1980 01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:11.800 get ready for the. Season jerry wanted them to play 1981 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:16.279 to make sure, everybody everybody around, them you, know knew 1982 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:17.880 how to play with them and all that kind of. 1983 01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:21.840 Stuff so they would play eight preseason. Games they would 1984 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:25.800 then play eighty two regular season. Games they get them 1985 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:28.000 up to ninety and then they were always in the. 1986 01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:32.279 Playoffs so every, Year, spence for thirteen of the eighteen 1987 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:36.399 years they played, together Both John stockton And Carl malone 1988 01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:40.239 played in the neighborhood of one hundred games every, year 1989 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:43.720 and then next year they played in one hundred games, 1990 01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:46.199 again and then the next year they played in the one, 1991 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.279 hundred and then the next, year and then the next. 1992 01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:53.119 Year and So jazz fans became spoiled by, that, obviously 1993 01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:55.399 because those guys never got. 1994 01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:56.640 Hurt you. 1995 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:59.880 Know john's one injury had during his entire nineteen year 1996 01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:02.760 career was his was his knee in ninety eight in 1997 01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:05.199 the early season ninety eight where he missed sixteen. Games 1998 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:09.479 and uh and And carl alone during his eighteen years 1999 01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:12.760 with The, jazz missed a total of twelve. Games and 2000 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:14.880 and the thing that a lot of fans don't, know 2001 01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.680 spensers of those twelve games he. Missed eight of them 2002 01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:21.920 were because of league. Suspension they weren't because of. Injury 2003 01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:26.720 they were because he knocked Down Isaiah thomas, elbow this 2004 01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:30.920 guy and, whatever and got got got whacked a game 2005 01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:33.520 or two here and, there you. Know but but carl 2006 01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:36.319 missed four games because of injury or illness in eighteen. 2007 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:39.560 Years and it was funny because during that time it 2008 01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:42.840 was almost like they were competing against each other to 2009 01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:45.800 see who could be the most, Durable, like, well he's 2010 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:47.720 he's he's got the, flu right is? 2011 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:48.520 He is he playing? 2012 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:52.479 Tonight? Yeah well Then i'm. Playing i'm. Not i'm, Yeah 2013 01:46:52.479 --> 01:46:54.560 i'm not gonna let. Him i'm not gonna let him 2014 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:56.800 get ahead of, me you know this kind yeah yeah. 2015 01:46:56.840 --> 01:46:59.800 Yeah and so then you had the changeover when they 2016 01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:02.479 left in three to, Four and then you had the 2017 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:05.880 quick turnaround in the summer where Where kevin O'Connor was 2018 01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:10.279 able to convince Both Carlos boozer And met o'cor to 2019 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:14.079 come To utah and and and a quick. Turnaround then 2020 01:47:14.119 --> 01:47:17.880 the following year Draft Darren williams moving up from the 2021 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:21.560 sixth pick to the to the third, pick and then 2022 01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:25.439 have a quick turnaround With Andre kerlenko And Ronnie brewer 2023 01:47:25.479 --> 01:47:28.159 and had a very competitive team. Then and then of 2024 01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:31.680 course the re the turnaround when those guys were gone 2025 01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:37.119 With Dennis lindsay and Drafting Donovan mitchell at thirteen and 2026 01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:40.439 making the trade With denver h and Drafting Rudy gobert 2027 01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:44.359 of course at twenty seven and buying that pick also From. 2028 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:47.119 Denver you, know that's always a thing that's interested. Me 2029 01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.359 spence's all the with all the Success denver had With 2030 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:53.880 Tim connolly at The helm In denver in the twenty, 2031 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:58.479 tens they would have the exact same team that they have. 2032 01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:02.600 Now the guys they, Drafted they Drafted, jokic they Drafted, 2033 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:07.239 maury they Drafted. Porter they could also Have gobaer And 2034 01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:11.199 mitchell on those. Teams all they had to do was 2035 01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:15.399 draft them or or evaluate it the same way as 2036 01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:20.079 The jazz. Did they, didn't you, know but those are 2037 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:22.840 guys that they could have had just by picking them 2038 01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:25.840 when they had their picks come. Up and that just 2039 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:31.119 illustrates how how fluid the draft can be and how 2040 01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:36.479 different teams evaluate and look at. Players when you get 2041 01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.079 into that situation where you have to make a decision 2042 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:42.840 BETWEEN a AND b it becomes it becomes very. 2043 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:47.319 Interesting jazz have moved down three, Times they've never moved 2044 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:50.840 up and they've Stood PAT i misspoke. Earlier this will 2045 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:53.239 actually be the Tenth lottery appearance for The, Jazz so 2046 01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.439 they've moved down three. Times they moved down last year 2047 01:48:57.039 --> 01:48:58.880 where they had the eighth best odds and they picked. 2048 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:02.079 Tenth they Took Cody. Williams year before that they stayed, 2049 01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:05.920 nine they Took Taylor. Hendricks going all the way back 2050 01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:08.319 to two thousand and, Four Chris humphreys was the pick at. 2051 01:49:08.399 --> 01:49:13.439 Fourteen Martel webster technically the pick in two thousand and, 2052 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:14.960 five but that was the deal you guys made For. 2053 01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:17.479 Darren yeah, right, yeah, yeah so you moved up to 2054 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:18.039 three to take. 2055 01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:19.760 D will let me ask you while we're in that, 2056 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:23.199 space how early in that process were you guys On 2057 01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:25.600 Darren because for our listeners that may not, remember that 2058 01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:29.199 was The Chris Paul Darren williams, debate, right and, like 2059 01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:31.840 how early in the process did you guys identify we 2060 01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:32.720 WANT d Will. 2061 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:34.960 Well it was you, know it was a debate because 2062 01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:37.439 also in That mixpense Was Raymond. Felton that's. 2063 01:49:37.520 --> 01:49:40.960 Right so we had so the top point guards in 2064 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:44.640 college at the time were Considered Darren williams From, Illinois 2065 01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:48.399 Chris paul From Wake, forest And Raymond felton From North. 2066 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:52.680 Carolina and so it was it was a race to 2067 01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:56.119 the finish, line if you, will between those three guys 2068 01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:00.239 as to who teams thought might be the best or 2069 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:03.279 pro who teams liked and you, know and you, know 2070 01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:08.000 in different, regard you, know D will he wasn't the 2071 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:09.680 so called slam dunk. 2072 01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:11.039 Pick it wasn't. Him all the. 2073 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.479 Time there was a lot of internal, debate a lot 2074 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:16.920 of discussion about the different you, know pros and cons 2075 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:20.399 of those. GUYS i would say That Raymond felton was 2076 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:23.840 a little bit Behind Chris paul and D will in 2077 01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:26.560 terms of the heart horse race to the finish, line 2078 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:28.800 so to. Speak and at the end of the, day 2079 01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:32.439 The jazz made the decision they liked D will's size 2080 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:35.079 a little bit. Better, uh they liked his you, know 2081 01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:39.239 maybe his toughness a little bit, better you, know and and, 2082 01:50:39.520 --> 01:50:41.399 uh you, know, hey you can argue it either. Way, 2083 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.000 now you, Know Chris paul is still playing and has 2084 01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:47.800 had A hall Of fame. Career, Obviously Darren, williams you, 2085 01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:51.399 know the first four years or five years where he 2086 01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:54.760 was with The jazz or, something our teams Played Chris paul's. 2087 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:57.840 TEAMS i think d will was like seven and two 2088 01:50:58.039 --> 01:50:59.680 Against Chris paul or something or. 2089 01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:01.399 Whatever but a lot of that has to do with 2090 01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:04.439 the team you're on as. Well but and and and 2091 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.279 Deren willis is also part of Two olympic teams that 2092 01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:10.840 won gold and and so you, know people forget how 2093 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:14.159 good of a player he was early in his career 2094 01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:18.399 with with The, jazz you, know but you could Argue Chris, paul, 2095 01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:21.199 yep he's had that, career and and he, was you, 2096 01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:22.560 know would be a jazz type of. 2097 01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:23.680 Guy and. 2098 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:25.720 Uh at the end of the, DAY i think it 2099 01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:28.319 was just decided, that you, know we liked the idea 2100 01:51:28.359 --> 01:51:30.319 of a little bit of a bigger, guy a little 2101 01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:33.199 bit more, size, uh that that we could put on the. 2102 01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:35.520 Floor and that's that's how that that decision went. 2103 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:36.279 Down who did you? 2104 01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:40.439 Want i'll be, HONEST i was really mixed with those. 2105 01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:43.199 GUYS i you, KNOW i could see the argument for 2106 01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:45.720 both of. THEM I i like the d will size 2107 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:48.439 thing a little. Bit you, Know Chris Chris paul is 2108 01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:51.880 six feet you, know and and but he showed some 2109 01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:54.199 toughness WHEN i saw him playing college at Wake. Forth 2110 01:51:54.479 --> 01:51:57.079 he had a couple of games where where they got 2111 01:51:57.119 --> 01:52:00.239 into a little skirmish on the floor and he was 2112 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.520 right in the middle of it and wasn't backing down from. 2113 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:05.439 Anybody so you could see that he had some internal 2114 01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:09.079 toughness that, that you, know would would serve him. Well, 2115 01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:13.239 uh but you, know looking back on, IT i would 2116 01:52:13.239 --> 01:52:17.640 have never, said, well one guy's going to finish his 2117 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:21.039 career and then the other guy is gonna play, five, 2118 01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:23.880 six seven years after that. GUY i would have never 2119 01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:26.319 said that either, way because you can never know how 2120 01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:27.840 those things are going to play. 2121 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:31.159 Out but, yeah but it was it was A i 2122 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:31.680 would say it. 2123 01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:35.319 Was the room was very, mixed and it was very, 2124 01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:38.279 uh you, know it wasn't like, lopsided like we got 2125 01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:41.439 to have this guy and whatever and table pounding and 2126 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:42.119 all that kind of. 2127 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:44.479 Stuff and you, know AND i. 2128 01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:47.600 Think, JERRY i Think jerry liked the idea of the 2129 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:50.479 of the size a little bit too in the, lineup you. 2130 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:52.760 Know so that's actually WHAT i wanted to ask you 2131 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:56.439 BECAUSE i had always heard and, LOOK i Just Chris 2132 01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.479 paul has always been my, guy you, know so LIKE 2133 01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:00.680 i think two thousand and five may have been my 2134 01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:03.399 first year on air full, time and SO i can 2135 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:06.720 remember draft night without any knowledge of what you guys 2136 01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.239 were going to. Do WHEN i saw that you had traded, 2137 01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:11.640 UP i stood up off my couch AND i, Said 2138 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:13.640 Chris paul is going to be a jazz, man AND 2139 01:53:13.720 --> 01:53:16.960 i was so pumped for that. Possibility but you had 2140 01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:19.720 heard over the years that it Was, Jerry and, LOOK 2141 01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:21.840 i know you guys all collaborated. 2142 01:53:21.279 --> 01:53:22.199 And kevin was that type of. 2143 01:53:22.279 --> 01:53:24.399 Leader So i'm not saying it was a, monolith but 2144 01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:27.720 how much truth was is the old adage That jerry 2145 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:29.600 is the One it, SAID i like the bigger, GUARD 2146 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:30.159 i want to go With. 2147 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:33.479 Darren, well, WELL i think that's what he felt, like you, 2148 01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:34.000 know But. 2149 01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:36.760 Jerry this was one of the great things about working 2150 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:39.800 With Jerry sloan all the years THAT i was fortunate 2151 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:44.680 enough to do. This he was great during the draft 2152 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:48.640 in that he would watch film of. Guys he would 2153 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:52.720 come into our group, meetings he would be prepared to offer, 2154 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.159 his you, know his take on what he saw and 2155 01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:57.000 what he thought on. 2156 01:53:57.159 --> 01:53:59.279 Film but he was always. 2157 01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:03.000 Spent the first guy to stand up and, say, LOOK 2158 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:06.520 i have an OPINION i think this about you, know 2159 01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:09.840 play or so and. So but you, guys meaning the 2160 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:13.399 scouts and the guys who go out and research it 2161 01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:16.199 all year and see them in person and do all. 2162 01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:20.399 That you guys work at it much harder THAN i, 2163 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:23.920 do and you guys have studied it much longer THAN. 2164 01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:26.439 I, have and you have a better feel for. 2165 01:54:26.640 --> 01:54:29.800 It SO i will give you my opinion about, this 2166 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.399 BUT i am not going, to you, know try and 2167 01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:38.199 override anybody's. Opinion you guys have do, it you, know 2168 01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:41.479 for your day to day. Business you, Know i'm gonna 2169 01:54:41.560 --> 01:54:44.840 end up going with what you guys think because and 2170 01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:48.680 that was one Of jerry's great attributes was that whatever 2171 01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:52.319 job you, Had, spence whether you were you, know the 2172 01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:57.960 front office scouting personnel, guys whether you were one of 2173 01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:01.119 the guys who worked for the public relations, group whether 2174 01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:04.720 you worked for the marketing, group whether you worked in 2175 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:10.119 the in the ticketing, office whatever your job, was that 2176 01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:14.960 happened to intersect with What. Jerry's jerry's responsibilities were as 2177 01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:19.479 a head. Coach he was always the Best i've ever been. 2178 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:23.760 Around it's, saying, HEY i could override this decision to you, 2179 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:26.239 know make some public appearance for the team on A 2180 01:55:26.279 --> 01:55:29.439 tuesday afternoon or whatever and, say, no we're not. Going 2181 01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:34.199 But jerry would, say, Well Patty patty bally R, pr, 2182 01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:39.359 yeah community relations person for a long. Time patty, says 2183 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:42.279 we have this thing tomorrow at. Three so we have 2184 01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:45.720 the thing tomorrow at. Three and you, know some players might, go, 2185 01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:48.319 oh you, KNOW i don't want to, go OR i got, 2186 01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:50.600 something and he would, say, HEY i don't know what 2187 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:52.760 to tell. You patty, said we got to be there at, 2188 01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:56.880 three so we'd be there at. Three and that's why 2189 01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:01.319 everybody loved working with him because, everybody no matter what 2190 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:06.039 your responsibility, was everybody knew That jerry had your back 2191 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:09.720 because he understood the time and the effort that you 2192 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:12.760 put into doing your job to the best of your. 2193 01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:16.640 Ability so you, know and, likewise when it came to the, 2194 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:19.600 draft you, know he would have an, opinion but he 2195 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:22.880 would always finish it by, saying but you guys know 2196 01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:24.960 it better than, me so whatever you guys. 2197 01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:29.399 Think so, ultimately final call back then made By. KEVIN 2198 01:56:29.479 --> 01:56:31.640 i would Imagine kevin was the. Guy, yeah, yeah it Was. 2199 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:33.600 Kevin you, know it would Be, kevin and you, know 2200 01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:36.760 if there was any kind of you, know pulling tug 2201 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:41.640 or you, know you, know nose line at the, finish you, 2202 01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:45.119 Know jerry and And kevin would would hash it out 2203 01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:47.760 and then just you, know and and But i'm telling, 2204 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:51.319 YOU i can't remember a time When jerry ever, said you, know, 2205 01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:54.319 hey this is the, guy come, on what are we talking. 2206 01:56:54.359 --> 01:56:57.960 About he always would say at the, end, Well, kevin you, 2207 01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:01.239 guys you guys, know so you guys just, whatever Because jerry, 2208 01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:03.960 felt you, know very comfortable saying, that because he also 2209 01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:08.039 felt like at the same, time SO i hope you will. 2210 01:57:08.359 --> 01:57:12.520 Reciprocate When i'm the, coach don't tell me Now i'm 2211 01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:15.520 making a decision in the fourth quarter of the, game right. 2212 01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:18.239 YEAH i don't want to hear after the game that 2213 01:57:18.359 --> 01:57:20.960 you're second guessing me or you, know saying well you 2214 01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:23.199 should have done this or. THAT i, mean that was never, 2215 01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:26.880 said but it was always understood that That jerry's giving 2216 01:57:26.920 --> 01:57:29.840 you your, space and he's allowing you to do your, 2217 01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:32.920 job and he's with you in that, regard and he 2218 01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:36.600 hopes that you, reciprocate you, know with the same kind 2219 01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:39.920 of the same kind of, support you, know for him. 2220 01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:40.920 And the job he was trying to. 2221 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:41.000 Do. 2222 01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:43.680 SEE i find this to be really fascinating AND i 2223 01:57:43.800 --> 01:57:46.439 don't know how it works currently over. There Will hardy 2224 01:57:46.640 --> 01:57:51.039 was asked during his post season media, availability how involved 2225 01:57:51.079 --> 01:57:53.399 are you during the draft, process And will, Said i'm very. 2226 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.680 Involved he will be In chicago for the draft. Lottery 2227 01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:00.199 BUT i Believe i'm a firm. Believer i've Already i've 2228 01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:02.399 always been a firm believer in just front offices That 2229 01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:05.199 i've had a chance to be, around that it is 2230 01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:08.439 important to have one final. 2231 01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:09.439 Voice who does make the. 2232 01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:12.399 CALL i do think the best roster constructors have a 2233 01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:14.720 team of people around them who they talk to and 2234 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:16.319 they take input. From but at the end of the, 2235 01:58:16.439 --> 01:58:18.880 day you've got to have one guy who's brave enough 2236 01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:21.159 to say, no this is my, call even if he 2237 01:58:21.239 --> 01:58:24.920 doesn't necessarily, agree and that can bring mixed. Results and 2238 01:58:25.439 --> 01:58:28.560 you know the way That Ernie grunfeld And Pat riley worked, 2239 01:58:28.600 --> 01:58:30.960 together you, Know pat was very much a part of, 2240 01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:33.560 it but he Allowed ernie to make the. Call and 2241 01:58:33.680 --> 01:58:35.800 then it was the same thing With grunfeld And Van 2242 01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:38.239 gundy until it wasn't and those two got loose and 2243 01:58:38.359 --> 01:58:40.600 this decision had to be Made i've told you. 2244 01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:43.680 BEFORE i can remember being in the war room When Ed. 2245 01:58:43.720 --> 01:58:47.359 Tapscott went rogue and just Drafted Frederick, weiss when most 2246 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:48.720 of the Knick scouts wanted run our. 2247 01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:51.760 Test what is the best way for that to? 2248 01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:54.159 Work BECAUSE i think it's probably fair to say if 2249 01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:56.439 there's one voice that makes the call over, there my 2250 01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:59.600 guess is that It's. Danny's it's never a good idea 2251 01:58:59.640 --> 01:59:01.279 for the own ownership group to have the. VOICE i 2252 01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:03.079 don't know If ryan wants to be the guy that 2253 01:59:03.159 --> 01:59:05.119 actually makes the. Call if it, IS i think that's horrible. 2254 01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:07.680 News my guess is that the voice Is. Danny's that's my. 2255 01:59:07.800 --> 01:59:12.760 Guess but there's Justin, zanik There's Will. Hardy any thoughts 2256 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.159 on the synergies over there? 2257 01:59:14.199 --> 01:59:14.840 Now, NO i. 2258 01:59:14.920 --> 01:59:17.640 Don't i'm not, There. SPENCER i have no. 2259 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:23.239 IDEA i would assume that that's Why Ryan smith brought 2260 01:59:23.279 --> 01:59:26.760 In Danny ainge and and who's been in THE nba 2261 01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:31.199 at all levels and has made his life's. Work and 2262 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:34.199 and you bring a guy like that in who had, 2263 01:59:34.319 --> 01:59:39.000 retired who was living his retirement life and In Utah 2264 01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:42.039 county and and, uh just trying to have a quiet. 2265 01:59:42.119 --> 01:59:44.800 Life And Ryan smith went and got him and convinced 2266 01:59:44.880 --> 01:59:47.439 him to uh to take up this this project with The, 2267 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:50.159 Jazz and SO i would make it just a guess 2268 01:59:50.319 --> 01:59:53.359 that you know that he's relying On Danny ainge's you, 2269 01:59:53.479 --> 01:59:58.479 know ability and instincts and and uh knowledge and all 2270 01:59:58.520 --> 02:00:00.800 that stuff of the league to to be the final 2271 02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:04.680 decision maker on BETWEEN a AND. B you, know with 2272 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:06.920 our groups THAT i was part of all the, time 2273 02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:11.039 it was always the the the the person who sat 2274 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:15.720 in that decision making, seat whether it Was Scott laden 2275 02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:18.479 or whether it Was kevin, O'Connor or whether it Was Dennis. 2276 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:21.359 Lindsay you, know they were the guys who had the 2277 02:00:21.439 --> 02:00:25.359 control of. That and they were all very collaborative. Guys 2278 02:00:25.920 --> 02:00:29.199 they listened to everybody in the. Room they gave everybody 2279 02:00:29.239 --> 02:00:32.560 a chance to have their voice. Heard you, know they 2280 02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:34.520 would you, know and you, know we even had a couple. 2281 02:00:34.600 --> 02:00:38.239 Instances you, KNOW i can remember where We're kevin O'Connor 2282 02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:41.479 made decisions on some stuff that he didn't tell anybody, 2283 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:45.600 about and then after the, fact you, know we would, say, 2284 02:00:45.760 --> 02:00:46.840 hey you know a week. 2285 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:48.920 Later a month later or, Whatever, hey what was that 2286 02:00:49.039 --> 02:00:49.520 thing about? 2287 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:50.600 That what was that? 2288 02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:52.640 Deal and he would, Say, HEY i had, TO i 2289 02:00:52.720 --> 02:00:53.199 had to make a. 2290 02:00:53.279 --> 02:00:56.239 Decision BUT i didn't want to implicate any of you, 2291 02:00:56.439 --> 02:01:00.920 guys because if it didn't work, OUT i felt, like 2292 02:01:01.239 --> 02:01:03.920 that's not fair to. You i'm the guy in the hot, 2293 02:01:04.039 --> 02:01:08.640 seat SO i deserve to get all the, blame you, 2294 02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:11.439 know or all have all the slings and arrows you, 2295 02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:13.800 know aimed at me if if it didn't work. Out 2296 02:01:14.079 --> 02:01:16.000 SO i didn't want to tell you guys that we 2297 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:18.520 were going to do that BECAUSE i didn't want you 2298 02:01:18.640 --> 02:01:21.520 to be part of that, process because that's that's my 2299 02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:24.520 job to have to deal with. That and so you, 2300 02:01:24.600 --> 02:01:26.640 know and, again those are the kind of guys you 2301 02:01:26.720 --> 02:01:28.760 want to work, with because those are the guys who 2302 02:01:29.119 --> 02:01:32.880 who have your back and and respect what you bring 2303 02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:36.279 to the process and how hard it is to make 2304 02:01:36.319 --> 02:01:36.920 those kinds of. 2305 02:01:37.039 --> 02:01:42.600 Decisions all, right BEFORE i set you, loose nobody is 2306 02:01:42.680 --> 02:01:45.920 giving the next a. Chance nobody believes the next have 2307 02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:48.520 a chance to be The celtics four times and seven. 2308 02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:51.560 Tries neither DO, I neither DO. I All, Right So 2309 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:55.119 New york goes out and they make the move for 2310 02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:59.039 og and An. Obi they sacrificed their draft capital for Mckill, 2311 02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:03.399 bridges two big wing defenders, that in theory can at 2312 02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:06.239 least provide some pushback For tatum And. Brown WHERE i 2313 02:02:06.359 --> 02:02:08.760 think this is just untenable For New york Is Drew 2314 02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:13.720 Holliday Derek white on On jalen because look At Tom 2315 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:14.600 thibodeau has. 2316 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:16.479 Forgotten more about basketball THAN i ever. 2317 02:02:16.600 --> 02:02:19.119 Know but WHEN i watch The knicks, offensively there are 2318 02:02:19.239 --> 02:02:22.079 so many possessions where it's one four flatter isolation And 2319 02:02:22.199 --> 02:02:24.840 jalen has to do it, all and he's so good 2320 02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:26.880 at times he's able to pull it. Off but four 2321 02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:29.000 times and seven tries against WHO i think the best 2322 02:02:29.039 --> 02:02:31.800 team in basketball is round two starts. Tonight do The 2323 02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:34.920 knicks have A Mike tyson uppercut chance four times and seven? 2324 02:02:34.960 --> 02:02:37.479 Tries, Yeah well you always have a, chance be so you, 2325 02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:41.560 know look that, everybody everybody's starting with a clean. Slate 2326 02:02:42.159 --> 02:02:46.680 you don't know somebody's gonna have a buddy healed night 2327 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:50.119 and go off for you, know thirty three points off the, 2328 02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:54.760 bench or somebody's Gonna Jason tatum is gonna twist his 2329 02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:57.760 ankle In game two and he's gonna miss several. 2330 02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:00.439 Games, YEAH i, mean you have to play it. 2331 02:03:00.520 --> 02:03:02.840 OUT i think the, knicks you, know made the right 2332 02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:06.640 moves and getting guys like you just, mentioned and and 2333 02:03:06.720 --> 02:03:09.119 then it will be in bridges because if you have 2334 02:03:09.199 --> 02:03:11.760 a chance to get those kind of guys and you 2335 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:16.000 have a chance to be competitive with whoever the other teams, 2336 02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:21.000 are then then you have to take that. Opportunity that's 2337 02:03:21.079 --> 02:03:23.880 what you're in the business. For you're in the business to. 2338 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:26.920 Compete you're in there to try and give it your best. 2339 02:03:27.319 --> 02:03:30.600 Shot maybe it's not good, enough but you take it 2340 02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:33.920 and you go you go to to the jump ball 2341 02:03:34.439 --> 02:03:37.119 and you see what we got. Tonight and then if 2342 02:03:37.159 --> 02:03:39.560 it doesn't work, tonight then we make some adjustments and 2343 02:03:39.640 --> 02:03:42.039 we go to the next game and so. Forth but 2344 02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:44.760 that's what it's all. About and so you, KNOW i 2345 02:03:44.840 --> 02:03:47.199 think they have a. CHANCE i don't know what that 2346 02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:51.840 will look, like you, know but again you're gonna have 2347 02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:56.199 to have the best version of the guys you, have you, 2348 02:03:56.279 --> 02:03:59.960 know for a vast majority of each game in order 2349 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:02.680 to have a. Chance but that's you, know as they, Say, 2350 02:04:03.000 --> 02:04:04.239 spence that's why they play the. 2351 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:07.399 Games, yes, sir great to see. You are you in 2352 02:04:07.520 --> 02:04:09.439 town for the foreseeable future or you're on some? 2353 02:04:09.560 --> 02:04:12.840 Anxiety Look i'm Gonna i'm gonna be on pins and 2354 02:04:12.920 --> 02:04:15.600 needles a week from today to see what happens with 2355 02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:18.319 the with the draft. Lottery i'm gonna Be i'm gonna 2356 02:04:18.359 --> 02:04:20.520 be sitting in my lucky seat and have all my 2357 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:24.079 fingers and toes crossed and do whatever and and uh 2358 02:04:24.159 --> 02:04:25.520 and we'll see how that all plays. 2359 02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:27.439 Out all, right my, Friend, well great to see you as. 2360 02:04:27.439 --> 02:04:29.319 Always we'll see you next, week came. Man all, right 2361 02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:32.359 the Great Richard. Smith you know it just works on 2362 02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:36.199 so many levels when you start listening to the, lyrics you, 2363 02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:38.520 know it JUST i don't, know, man it's one of 2364 02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:39.279 the BITS i can't. 2365 02:04:39.399 --> 02:04:40.760 Quit and you know the. 2366 02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:43.119 Deal when we Play Limp biscuit on this radio, show 2367 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:47.800 it's time to welcome in club legends Future hall Of. Famer, 2368 02:04:48.399 --> 02:04:50.720 Uh Trey. Fitzgerald who's The hall Of? Fame by the 2369 02:04:50.760 --> 02:04:53.319 time you got the, intro, right who's the hall. 2370 02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:53.800 Of fame named? 2371 02:04:53.800 --> 02:04:54.000 After? 2372 02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:57.000 Again that you're gonna be inducted to SOME nwsl like 2373 02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:00.439 you told us this. WEEKEND i better beat when you're 2374 02:05:00.479 --> 02:05:01.880 inducted into the whatever hall of. 2375 02:05:01.960 --> 02:05:06.359 Fame, oh there is A Colin Jose Media. Award okay 2376 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:08.960 at The National Soccer hall Of fame And Colin jose 2377 02:05:09.199 --> 02:05:09.359 was A. 2378 02:05:09.479 --> 02:05:11.560 Nws now the archive. 2379 02:05:11.319 --> 02:05:15.960 Is for the NASL, oh the league that form the 2380 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:18.359 foundation for the sport in this country over the last fifty. 2381 02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:20.560 Years how do we get you on the list for 2382 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:24.840 that award or do you actually have to work for? 2383 02:05:24.920 --> 02:05:31.159 It good, question just out of. Curiosity, Hello, trey how are? 2384 02:05:31.199 --> 02:05:31.800 You i'm? 2385 02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:33.520 Great how are you? Great to see you live in. 2386 02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:35.800 Studio if you've ever wondered What trey looks like and 2387 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.279 why The olympus get music works so, well don't do. 2388 02:05:39.399 --> 02:05:42.720 That don't produces up log on our YouTube. Channel trey 2389 02:05:42.880 --> 02:05:45.239 is in. STUDIO i always appreciate your time coming. 2390 02:05:45.319 --> 02:05:48.920 Down all, right let's just start with some big picture 2391 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:51.439 stuff with the, club because it's been it's been a 2392 02:05:51.520 --> 02:05:54.359 rough start and it's been a little chaotic behind the 2393 02:05:54.399 --> 02:05:58.119 scenes with the ownership. Transition the primary transfer window comes 2394 02:05:58.159 --> 02:06:00.680 and goes with a couple of, additions but no additions 2395 02:06:00.760 --> 02:06:03.000 THAT i think a lot of people were either hoping or. 2396 02:06:03.039 --> 02:06:04.159 Expecting when it came to A. 2397 02:06:04.239 --> 02:06:08.399 Dp The bosanik deal with The portuguese club falls apart 2398 02:06:08.439 --> 02:06:08.800 at last. 2399 02:06:08.880 --> 02:06:09.640 Minute so what's the? 2400 02:06:09.720 --> 02:06:11.439 Past you, know a month month and app been like 2401 02:06:11.479 --> 02:06:11.640 for you. 2402 02:06:11.720 --> 02:06:16.199 Guys, yeah it's BEEN i think, energetic it's been. DYNAMIC 2403 02:06:16.319 --> 02:06:18.840 i think in all ways it's been. Positive even The 2404 02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:24.600 bosenig deal falling, apart it was you, know that happened 2405 02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:28.039 as a result OF i Think kurt and company drawing 2406 02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.920 a line in the sand and saying you're not going 2407 02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:35.079 to change from euros or dollars to euros at the 2408 02:06:35.159 --> 02:06:37.680 last minute and ask for a bunch more money that 2409 02:06:37.840 --> 02:06:40.319 was the, deal and move the goalposts and change the, 2410 02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:43.199 terms and you, KNOW i Think kurt got to a 2411 02:06:43.239 --> 02:06:45.199 point where he felt like if we met their, demands 2412 02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:47.199 it would set a bad precedent and it would also 2413 02:06:47.920 --> 02:06:49.960 kind of hamstring us a little bit in the. Summer 2414 02:06:50.079 --> 02:06:53.840 so The agata trade was made With Sporting Kansas. City 2415 02:06:55.199 --> 02:06:57.479 we haven't really seen him much. Yet he did play 2416 02:06:57.520 --> 02:07:01.520 forty five At, vancouver played what twenty, two twenty three 2417 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:05.439 At San. Diego clearly he's a talented. Player he scored 2418 02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:09.199 two goals AGAINST us last. Year you, KNOW i guess 2419 02:07:09.279 --> 02:07:12.600 in my mind maybe he ends up being over the longer, 2420 02:07:12.760 --> 02:07:16.920 term more of The Anderson julio. Replacement and you, Know 2421 02:07:18.039 --> 02:07:21.439 chicho was really good For San. Jose the other, night and, 2422 02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:24.359 UH i think that'll Be kurt's focus in the. Summer 2423 02:07:24.680 --> 02:07:28.880 is is a killer nine and you reference the ownership. 2424 02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:32.840 Change every Experience i've had with anybody on The miller 2425 02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:36.720 side in the months leading up to the official public 2426 02:07:36.720 --> 02:07:41.399 announcement has been nothing but amazingly. Positive and you, know, Look, 2427 02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:45.720 SPENCE i never once thought THAT rsl would Leave utah 2428 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:49.600 or move From, utah but you, Know Commissioner garber and 2429 02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:53.560 others they, said with The miller family being the majority 2430 02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:58.600 locally engaged, owner there's never a. Doubt and you, know 2431 02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:01.479 The blitzer group is still very much, involved especially on 2432 02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:05.319 the sporting. Side we've got some young academy products that 2433 02:08:05.399 --> 02:08:10.479 are over In denmark With bronby right now and they're 2434 02:08:10.520 --> 02:08:13.319 going to get some cups of coffee around some of 2435 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:16.880 the different teams in the continent. There that's exciting stuff 2436 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:20.039 for the development of a. Kid it's not probably super 2437 02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:23.039 exciting for our fans that are worried about first team 2438 02:08:23.079 --> 02:08:26.680 performance over the first third of the. Season BUT i 2439 02:08:26.760 --> 02:08:29.479 guess the saving grace right now AS i try to 2440 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:32.399 look at things glass half, full as we've got twenty 2441 02:08:32.439 --> 02:08:37.319 five games left across all, competitions so there's plenty of 2442 02:08:37.439 --> 02:08:40.279 time to kind of turn the ship. Around four, wins 2443 02:08:40.359 --> 02:08:44.840 seven losses IN, mls we're ONLY i think six points 2444 02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:47.479 out of second, place which is. Amazing seven. Points maybe 2445 02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:50.920 go To dallas this weekend at the end of a 2446 02:08:51.079 --> 02:08:55.439 three game road. Trip dallas just got, Smashed so if 2447 02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:58.439 we can get the three points, there take six out of. 2448 02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:01.520 Nine The vancouver loss is, disappointing but they're the best 2449 02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:05.359 team in the, league so for us to have kind 2450 02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:10.800 of maybe not embarrassed ourselves against them is a moral, 2451 02:09:10.880 --> 02:09:12.399 victory which obviously don't count for. 2452 02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:15.560 Anything seven points out a second in, fairness two points out. 2453 02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:17.039 Of Fourteenth, okay, yeah tightly. 2454 02:09:17.119 --> 02:09:20.439 Packed but, LOOK i bring it up for context because 2455 02:09:20.479 --> 02:09:22.600 over the course of the twenty years, now which is 2456 02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:24.640 still wild for me to think about of the existence 2457 02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:26.600 of the, club some of our best teams had horrible 2458 02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:29.640 starts and some of our worst teams had awesome. Steves this, 2459 02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:32.359 season almost unlike any, other is an absolute. 2460 02:09:32.439 --> 02:09:33.279 Marathon this is not a. 2461 02:09:33.359 --> 02:09:36.560 Sprint So i'm not ready to anoint or, dismiss BUT 2462 02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:38.720 i do think there is a faction of this fan 2463 02:09:38.840 --> 02:09:40.920 base that looks at AND i want you to walk 2464 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:42.920 us through this because you've been around the league forever 2465 02:09:43.560 --> 02:09:46.720 and it is a single entity policy, Continuously so you 2466 02:09:46.880 --> 02:09:50.199 cannot draw a straight line by doing all of the 2467 02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:53.199 math of every player you let go and, saying why 2468 02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:56.399 don't we spend every one of those dollars on a player. 2469 02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:59.880 Transfer that's not how the business model. Works however it 2470 02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:03.159 it IS i think understandable for a fan. Base it 2471 02:10:03.319 --> 02:10:06.880 saw potentially fifteen to eighteen of the most exciting games 2472 02:10:06.920 --> 02:10:08.760 that we've ever seen here last year with that group 2473 02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:12.479 of attacking players be broken down brick by brick without adequate. 2474 02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:14.960 REPLACEMENTS i think that's, fair, True, yeah, YEAH i think 2475 02:10:14.960 --> 02:10:18.760 it is. Fair the whiplash from a year ago to 2476 02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:23.640 now is CERTAINLY i think exacerbating the. Situation because you 2477 02:10:23.720 --> 02:10:27.479 do go fifteen games in the league unbeaten for the 2478 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:30.399 better part Of March april And, may you're in first, 2479 02:10:30.439 --> 02:10:34.960 Place you're in the supporter shield. Race chicho's got seventeen 2480 02:10:35.079 --> 02:10:39.560 goals in seventeen. GAMES i think at that point you 2481 02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:46.680 sell Andres chicho scores one goal in his final what twenty, 2482 02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:49.880 games let's say maybe a little. Less over the second 2483 02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:51.039 half of the, season. 2484 02:10:53.680 --> 02:10:53.720 It. 2485 02:10:53.880 --> 02:10:56.039 Was it was a stumble to the finish after you 2486 02:10:56.119 --> 02:10:59.119 sell Andres now it's NOT i think people forget. That, 2487 02:10:59.359 --> 02:11:02.039 okay you Sell andre's for eleven, million it goes to 2488 02:11:02.159 --> 02:11:07.319 thirteen with some. Bonuses all that money isn't paid up. 2489 02:11:07.439 --> 02:11:10.079 Front you take five million of what you get from 2490 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:14.439 him and you Buy, diogo you Buy DOMINIC, marchuk you 2491 02:11:14.560 --> 02:11:19.720 Buy Lachlan, brook you Sign Javane brown off of waivers From. 2492 02:11:19.800 --> 02:11:23.399 Vancouver so it's not like no resources were used and 2493 02:11:23.560 --> 02:11:26.319 everything was. Pocketed that's just not how it. Works because 2494 02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:29.359 some of these dollars are real cash. Dollars as you've 2495 02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:32.359 Heard kurt, explain some of the gam is not real. 2496 02:11:32.520 --> 02:11:38.439 Cash it's fictional kind of, capology if you. WILL i 2497 02:11:38.520 --> 02:11:42.079 think you, know the Chi cho move was. Calculated The 2498 02:11:42.199 --> 02:11:45.960 Matt crooks move was maybe a little, late and it 2499 02:11:46.439 --> 02:11:49.479 was right by. Him he's doing very well in the 2500 02:11:49.760 --> 02:11:53.479 in the championship over In. England BUT i think now 2501 02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:56.960 through the first ten eleven, games we've realized how much 2502 02:11:57.039 --> 02:11:59.680 work he did for everybody, else and you're missing. 2503 02:11:59.760 --> 02:11:59.800 That. 2504 02:12:00.119 --> 02:12:04.359 Now what it's done is you're Allowing Diego luna to 2505 02:12:04.439 --> 02:12:06.439 become the. Man As pablo said a couple of weeks, 2506 02:12:06.439 --> 02:12:09.479 ago he's not on the ascent. Anymore this is his. 2507 02:12:09.600 --> 02:12:12.239 Team he's the. Man maybe that's a lot to put 2508 02:12:12.279 --> 02:12:16.039 on a twenty one year old. Shoulders you, know Maybe 2509 02:12:16.119 --> 02:12:20.880 dominic has Not he's BEEN i think, positive but he 2510 02:12:20.920 --> 02:12:22.920 hasn't been as consistent as he was in the final 2511 02:12:22.960 --> 02:12:27.119 seven games last. Year aripol clearly learning on the. Job 2512 02:12:27.560 --> 02:12:32.239 agata And russell we've hardly seen box to. BOX i 2513 02:12:32.279 --> 02:12:34.039 think everybody feels really good about the core of the, 2514 02:12:34.119 --> 02:12:37.479 team And annelli And ojeda And glad And vera And 2515 02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:40.640 junka And catronas and you, know maybe right back we've 2516 02:12:40.680 --> 02:12:43.359 had a rotating cast of. Characters Rafael cabral has been, 2517 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:47.760 phenomenal but we don't have those difference, makers The chico 2518 02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:51.000 And andres that we had a year. Ago nobody other 2519 02:12:51.079 --> 02:12:54.720 Than diego has really stepped up in that category. 2520 02:12:54.680 --> 02:12:58.439 Well and WE i think it might be time and 2521 02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:02.560 maybe pastime to have a, salient honest conversation About, diogo 2522 02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:05.760 who has the same amount of goals As Sam junko right, 2523 02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:08.680 now right he has a goal and he has two 2524 02:13:08.760 --> 02:13:12.760 assists in eleven. Games and you, know last year he 2525 02:13:13.279 --> 02:13:15.960 rolled into town with a lot of fanfare and was 2526 02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:18.760 not productive and the walking line was we need a 2527 02:13:18.800 --> 02:13:22.479 preseason with. Him, yeah he's your ONLY, dp and from 2528 02:13:22.520 --> 02:13:25.159 my vantage, point he hasn't been good. Enough so maybe 2529 02:13:25.199 --> 02:13:28.720 you guys are seeing things in training or moments where 2530 02:13:29.600 --> 02:13:31.680 you know he is providing the quality that you want 2531 02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:33.640 from that. Position but at what point do we look 2532 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:35.760 at that and, SAY i don't, know, man it's not 2533 02:13:35.880 --> 02:13:37.199 A it hasn't worked straight so. 2534 02:13:37.319 --> 02:13:39.960 Far, yeah AND i think there's a couple of ways 2535 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:42.640 to look at. It and you, know talking To pablo 2536 02:13:42.800 --> 02:13:48.279 And Kurt daily AS i, DO i Think pablo looks 2537 02:13:48.319 --> 02:13:50.319 At diogo and, Says, okay this is a guy who 2538 02:13:50.359 --> 02:13:53.880 played thirty One Champions league. Games clearly there's quality and, 2539 02:13:53.960 --> 02:13:58.199 pedigree different, league different style of. Play he was not 2540 02:13:58.319 --> 02:14:01.880 the man in any of those situations At copenhagen Or. 2541 02:14:02.000 --> 02:14:05.039 Benfica he was the man behind the man or the 2542 02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:10.279 man behind the man behind the. Man and the other 2543 02:14:10.359 --> 02:14:14.119 thing That pablo has said consistently in His apple production 2544 02:14:14.319 --> 02:14:19.199 calls Is diego is a very smart technical. Player he's 2545 02:14:19.239 --> 02:14:22.680 an incredible. Finisher when he's on the, Field he's seeing 2546 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:27.399 the game In pablo's estimation two, three four steps, ahead 2547 02:14:27.960 --> 02:14:30.800 but nobody around him is seeing the game at the 2548 02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:36.720 same cadence as he, Is so there's a disconnect. There, 2549 02:14:36.840 --> 02:14:39.079 Right he's surrounded by an awful lot of. Youth and, 2550 02:14:39.159 --> 02:14:42.199 again these are all just making excuses for, him because 2551 02:14:42.239 --> 02:14:45.000 if he didn't have those TWO dp initials next to his, 2552 02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:48.239 NAME i think the perception of his contribution as performers 2553 02:14:48.279 --> 02:14:51.439 would probably be very. Different SO i would expect in 2554 02:14:51.479 --> 02:14:55.800 the summer you add A, dp maybe THAT, dp that 2555 02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:58.840 presence of that OTHER dp would hold him accountable in 2556 02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:01.640 such a. Way maybe he. LEAVES i don't, know it 2557 02:15:01.960 --> 02:15:05.199 could be one situation or. Another his wife just announced 2558 02:15:05.239 --> 02:15:08.479 On instagram a week ago that they are expecting their 2559 02:15:08.520 --> 02:15:11.319 first child, Graduation so you never know how some of 2560 02:15:11.359 --> 02:15:13.760 these off field things are. Happening like you, know you've 2561 02:15:13.840 --> 02:15:17.479 heard the guys talk. About you, Know dominic's kind of 2562 02:15:17.560 --> 02:15:20.439 choppy start to the beginning of the season can be 2563 02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:22.840 attributed to as fact his dad has been very unhealthy 2564 02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:25.319 and he's been five thousand miles away from that, situation 2565 02:15:25.960 --> 02:15:27.960 and you, Know dunny's been talking about this for. Years 2566 02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:30.119 you just never know, how. Guys some guys are very 2567 02:15:30.119 --> 02:15:33.479 good at compartmentalizing the ninety minutes on the field and 2568 02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:35.800 everything else off and and the other, guys it bleeds 2569 02:15:35.880 --> 02:15:39.039 through and it affects. Them so the good news is 2570 02:15:40.359 --> 02:15:43.199 things haven't frayed, Right, like guys haven't turned on each, 2571 02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:47.079 other and all you can hope for is improvement day by, 2572 02:15:47.159 --> 02:15:48.439 day hour by, hour and game by. 2573 02:15:48.520 --> 02:15:51.680 Game so the explanation For diego is that he's too, 2574 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:52.720 good he's too. 2575 02:15:52.680 --> 02:15:56.479 Smart and that's too of. All it's just not on 2576 02:15:56.560 --> 02:15:56.800 the same. 2577 02:15:56.840 --> 02:15:59.079 Page, Okay, well he's got a kid next to him 2578 02:15:59.079 --> 02:16:02.159 who clearly is seen the game the way he supposedly. 2579 02:16:02.279 --> 02:16:05.600 Is but the Least diego is producing six, goals two 2580 02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:09.520 assists another goal over the. WEEKEND A. Pk Finichigainst. Vancouver 2581 02:16:09.760 --> 02:16:11.520 you've had a front row seat to watch this kid. 2582 02:16:11.600 --> 02:16:14.560 Develop AND i know that SOME rsl fans don't love 2583 02:16:14.600 --> 02:16:16.640 THAT i wax poetic and talk about some of our 2584 02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:19.840 great superstars back in the. Day but for, Me trey 2585 02:16:20.039 --> 02:16:21.840 he has the ability to be better in all of. Them, 2586 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:24.119 yeah AND i hope most of those years are. HERE 2587 02:16:24.279 --> 02:16:26.479 i get the deal that that probably isn't the. Case 2588 02:16:26.560 --> 02:16:28.560 but what's it been like for you to watch this 2589 02:16:28.720 --> 02:16:32.000 kid blow up and evolve into really a rising star 2590 02:16:32.079 --> 02:16:34.120 in the ranks of soccer across the entire. 2591 02:16:34.159 --> 02:16:37.600 Country, yeah it's. AMAZING i Mean diego clearly came here 2592 02:16:37.879 --> 02:16:43.000 as as an older team and he's a man, now 2593 02:16:43.319 --> 02:16:46.920 he's got a. Kid he's very serious about his. Craft he. 2594 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:50.760 IS i think the biggest area of growth for him 2595 02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:55.719 is maybe holding teammates, accountable whether it's in training, sessions 2596 02:16:55.760 --> 02:16:57.600 it's in film, sessions it's in the middle of the, 2597 02:16:57.680 --> 02:17:00.520 game and they respect his. Voice oh, yeah though he 2598 02:17:00.600 --> 02:17:02.760 will grab a guy by the collar Like Jason christ 2599 02:17:02.879 --> 02:17:05.239 used to do and say wake, up let's go what 2600 02:17:05.399 --> 02:17:05.760 is wrong with? 2601 02:17:05.879 --> 02:17:06.159 You Matt. 2602 02:17:06.200 --> 02:17:10.360 Bank it Was Luke Krammel, meyers the vivid one in 2603 02:17:10.440 --> 02:17:15.760 my Maybe Tino nuniez as, well shout OUT i can keep, 2604 02:17:15.799 --> 02:17:17.520 going you, KNOW i can play this game All diego 2605 02:17:17.680 --> 02:17:20.559 Like apple is asking him to be an. AMBASSADOR mls 2606 02:17:20.680 --> 02:17:24.200 wants to use him in. Everything Landon donovan And Tim 2607 02:17:24.280 --> 02:17:26.799 howard want them on their on their. Podcast he's. 2608 02:17:26.840 --> 02:17:27.520 Done you. 2609 02:17:27.559 --> 02:17:30.559 Know he did the And or thing with the Actor Diego. 2610 02:17:30.680 --> 02:17:33.719 Luna Travis scott had him out To. Coachella these are 2611 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:36.479 things that don't typically happen to A Raal Salt, lakey 2612 02:17:36.559 --> 02:17:39.959 no matter how many goals you. Have and and the 2613 02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:42.559 thing is is Like diego's, matured but he hasn't really. 2614 02:17:42.719 --> 02:17:45.760 Changed like he's still a good guy that you can 2615 02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:49.159 walk up to and and dap up and just have 2616 02:17:49.319 --> 02:17:53.479 a good conversation with His IF i was twenty one 2617 02:17:53.559 --> 02:17:56.319 and suddenly the world was acting LIKE i was, IMPORTANT 2618 02:17:56.879 --> 02:18:02.479 i would expect my ego to probably uh outgrow its, 2619 02:18:02.920 --> 02:18:05.479 efficiency you. Know and and, look part of what's great 2620 02:18:05.479 --> 02:18:09.360 About diego is his belief in himself and you know 2621 02:18:09.479 --> 02:18:12.520 that quiet. Confidence but he really has put this team 2622 02:18:12.559 --> 02:18:16.239 on his. Shoulders he's got what two two goal, Games 2623 02:18:16.280 --> 02:18:20.760 he's Made team of The week three. Times SO i 2624 02:18:20.879 --> 02:18:23.559 think he's. AGAIN i don't know what's gonna. HAPPEN i 2625 02:18:23.760 --> 02:18:26.159 expect him to be here for a. YEAR i think 2626 02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:28.159 that gives him the best chance to go to The 2627 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:31.479 Gold cup here in a couple months Under pochattino and 2628 02:18:31.600 --> 02:18:35.000 then and then really give himself a chance to make 2629 02:18:35.079 --> 02:18:38.040 That World cup team a year from. Now and THE 2630 02:18:38.200 --> 02:18:42.000 us soccer assistants that have been around Clearly pochattino loves. 2631 02:18:42.079 --> 02:18:46.760 Him they love his, grit his, grind his attitude on 2632 02:18:46.920 --> 02:18:49.120 both sides of the, ball and he's not afraid to try, 2633 02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:52.520 stuff and we saw it in The Nations league whatever 2634 02:18:53.159 --> 02:18:56.159 semi final and final or third place GAME i should, 2635 02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:59.040 say where THE us lost To panama In. Canada he 2636 02:18:59.239 --> 02:19:01.360 was the lone bright. Spot he was the only guy trying. 2637 02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:04.200 Things he was the only guy making things happen for 2638 02:19:04.280 --> 02:19:07.079 himself and for. Others so sky's a limit still for 2639 02:19:07.559 --> 02:19:08.719 a twenty one year Old Diego. 2640 02:19:08.799 --> 02:19:11.319 Luna bit of a non, Sequitur but you're REFERENCED arsa 2641 02:19:11.440 --> 02:19:14.200 players At, coachella and So i've got to ask you 2642 02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:16.280 About Nick rimando being inducted in The hall Of. Fame 2643 02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:20.399 nick is a known music festival, guy, absolutely but you 2644 02:19:20.479 --> 02:19:24.280 know little history. LESSON i can remember one of my 2645 02:19:25.360 --> 02:19:31.360 wake up calls To, okay professional soccer In america is 2646 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:35.639 much different than professional professional, basketball professional, football the SPORTS 2647 02:19:35.680 --> 02:19:38.639 i was raised, around WHEN i found out that our 2648 02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:42.760 starting keeper in two thousand and, Seven Scott garlic had 2649 02:19:42.879 --> 02:19:45.719 elected to retire because he had an opportunity in real. 2650 02:19:45.840 --> 02:19:48.719 Estate good For, scott apparently it's worked out for him just, 2651 02:19:48.799 --> 02:19:51.879 fine it seems like. It but ULTIMATELY i can remember, thinking, like, 2652 02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:56.600 wait a athlete in his maybe later prime is retiring 2653 02:19:57.000 --> 02:19:59.600 when he has a contract to keep playing to work 2654 02:19:59.680 --> 02:20:02.840 in real. Estate so we were scrambling to get a 2655 02:20:02.920 --> 02:20:08.559 keeper and ultimately went and Reacquired Nick romando from D 2656 02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:13.159 C New york Where Bruce arena. Correct, okay so we 2657 02:20:13.559 --> 02:20:15.920 were able to Acquire romando in the deal that also 2658 02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:19.680 brought Us Freddy Freddy You, do which did not work 2659 02:20:19.760 --> 02:20:21.280 out as well as we were. Expecting we did not 2660 02:20:21.440 --> 02:20:23.239 know that the better piece of that deal was actually 2661 02:20:23.239 --> 02:20:25.120 the keeper that we were, receiving who turned out to 2662 02:20:25.200 --> 02:20:28.879 be one of the main, conduits two lifting trophies and 2663 02:20:28.959 --> 02:20:31.360 by most, accounts the greatest keeper this league has ever. 2664 02:20:31.440 --> 02:20:34.799 Seen so your thoughts ON nicki getting inducted into The 2665 02:20:34.920 --> 02:20:37.159 National hall Of, fame the ONLY rsl player to have 2666 02:20:37.280 --> 02:20:39.079 this OCCER i would Imagine kyle gets there at some. 2667 02:20:39.159 --> 02:20:41.159 POINT i would Hope kyle can get in in the 2668 02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:41.680 next year or. 2669 02:20:41.680 --> 02:20:41.840 Two. 2670 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:45.559 Yeah Nick romando inducted in The National Soccer hall Of 2671 02:20:45.639 --> 02:20:50.120 fame In, Frisco texas this. Weekend we will Celebrate nick 2672 02:20:50.520 --> 02:20:55.360 On june fourteenth AGAINST Dc united At America First field 2673 02:20:55.399 --> 02:20:58.159 In sandy And nick will get his name put up 2674 02:20:58.600 --> 02:21:00.799 in The ring Of honor next To jason christ And 2675 02:21:00.879 --> 02:21:04.239 Javier morales and. Clearly the three of them were teammates 2676 02:21:04.280 --> 02:21:06.799 together on THAT Mls cup two thousand and nine championship. 2677 02:21:06.879 --> 02:21:11.280 Team Nick rmando was named The MasterCard Most Valuable. 2678 02:21:11.360 --> 02:21:11.639 Player. 2679 02:21:12.239 --> 02:21:18.920 Uh they were then up In seattle Against, galaxy And 2680 02:21:19.040 --> 02:21:21.719 nicky's just been for a guy that never won The 2681 02:21:21.760 --> 02:21:25.639 goalkeeper of the, award which is. Insane he should have 2682 02:21:25.680 --> 02:21:28.959 wanted the following year in twenty, ten WHEN rsl only 2683 02:21:29.040 --> 02:21:32.040 ALLOWED i want to, say twenty goals in thirty four. 2684 02:21:32.120 --> 02:21:36.920 Games and the Reason nick didn't win that, YEAR i was, 2685 02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:40.319 told was Because forcher's And lave were ahead of him 2686 02:21:40.319 --> 02:21:42.680 and they both made best, eleven But nick. Didn't, whatever 2687 02:21:43.200 --> 02:21:47.799 it was very. Silly but, anyway you Know Nick nick's 2688 02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:51.440 second act of his career was, here. Right he won 2689 02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:54.639 A cup IN, dc but he had suffered a knee 2690 02:21:54.639 --> 02:21:58.920 injury and he was considered damage. Goods and to your, 2691 02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:03.159 point we traded For Freddy adu FROM dc in Like. 2692 02:22:03.319 --> 02:22:08.479 November Nick romondo was a throw in in that. DEAL 2693 02:22:08.600 --> 02:22:11.520 i think we sent J nalli and a draft pick 2694 02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:18.360 the other, way and Then nick ended up moving To 2695 02:22:19.000 --> 02:22:21.959 we traded him To New york because he wanted to 2696 02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:24.879 play For arena again and we Wanted, garlic and, they, 2697 02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:27.399 well we Had garlic from the first couple of. Years 2698 02:22:27.440 --> 02:22:30.239 and Then garlic retires two weeks before the, season And 2699 02:22:30.360 --> 02:22:33.399 Bruce arena Told John ellinger AND i don't, Know march of, 2700 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:36.719 seven who do you. Want you can Have nick, back 2701 02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:39.159 or you can Have John, conway who was a decent 2702 02:22:39.559 --> 02:22:43.879 keeper at the. Time And ellinger, GOES i guess we'll Take. 2703 02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:47.120 Nick and Then nick plays for us for another fourteen, 2704 02:22:47.200 --> 02:22:53.920 seasons LEADS mls all time in minutes, played games, played games, started, saves, 2705 02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:58.040 wins all the important goalkeeping. Categories and some of these 2706 02:22:58.120 --> 02:23:03.559 record spans are most likely untouchable Because Kyle nick others 2707 02:23:03.639 --> 02:23:06.959 were kind of a rare breed pablo that played their 2708 02:23:07.239 --> 02:23:11.639 entire fourteen fifteen years professionally IN, mls. 2709 02:23:11.360 --> 02:23:12.920 And some of them. 2710 02:23:14.760 --> 02:23:17.399 Have played the majority of those years for one. Team 2711 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:20.639 we're seeing it. Now Diego charra up In portland has 2712 02:23:20.680 --> 02:23:23.879 played his entire career with The. Timbers so there's a 2713 02:23:23.959 --> 02:23:29.440 few examples here and, there but we're so glad That 2714 02:23:29.600 --> 02:23:33.920 nick made a home. Here he operates businesses, here he's 2715 02:23:33.959 --> 02:23:36.200 the goalkeeper coach for The, monarch spends a lot of 2716 02:23:36.239 --> 02:23:40.440 time with Our academy kids as. Well and you, KNOW 2717 02:23:40.520 --> 02:23:42.959 i Think Gavin beavers and every other young keeper that's 2718 02:23:43.000 --> 02:23:45.280 come through our club would would Credit nick with some 2719 02:23:45.399 --> 02:23:45.600 of their. 2720 02:23:45.639 --> 02:23:49.079 Development so moving back over to here and, now because 2721 02:23:49.559 --> 02:23:52.719 there are some bright spots other Than. Diego AND i 2722 02:23:52.840 --> 02:23:56.239 talked To pablo about this last week, because as you, 2723 02:23:56.360 --> 02:23:58.040 KNOW i was on the road with the club In San. 2724 02:23:58.079 --> 02:24:01.159 Diego you're good, luck. Charm, LOOK i, mean folks are 2725 02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:03.520 saying That i'm not saying, that but folks are saying 2726 02:24:03.559 --> 02:24:06.719 that you elected to ditch me on the, trip which is. 2727 02:24:06.799 --> 02:24:08.559 Fine the trip worked out just fine for your. Boy 2728 02:24:08.840 --> 02:24:09.479 we'll leave that off. 2729 02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:16.559 There but watching the win Against San diego and A 2730 02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:17.760 mecha has been good for a. 2731 02:24:17.840 --> 02:24:22.000 While. Dude he controlled the entire flow of the. Game 2732 02:24:22.559 --> 02:24:24.040 AND i talked To pablo about. 2733 02:24:24.079 --> 02:24:26.520 This and you remember this funny anecdote THAT i always 2734 02:24:26.559 --> 02:24:29.760 share About, kyle About Kyle beckerman BECAUSE i can remember 2735 02:24:29.920 --> 02:24:32.239 this was two thousand and. Seven jay took the head 2736 02:24:32.280 --> 02:24:36.319 coaching job In, okay so four, games so he Had 2737 02:24:36.399 --> 02:24:39.959 kyle at holding, mid which Is, kyle's you, know the 2738 02:24:40.319 --> 02:24:43.879 position that he became a legend of the. Club and 2739 02:24:44.000 --> 02:24:46.440 of course me still learning the game of, Soccer kyle 2740 02:24:46.479 --> 02:24:48.200 scores one of His becker. Bombs we used to call 2741 02:24:48.319 --> 02:24:50.520 him this thirty yard, blast and we were having trouble. 2742 02:24:50.600 --> 02:24:53.680 Scoring so on the postgame, SHOW i say To, Jason, hey, 2743 02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:57.200 Dude i've got a great idea for, you, Buddy kyle 2744 02:24:57.319 --> 02:24:59.360 needs to be playing up. Top he needs to be 2745 02:24:59.360 --> 02:25:02.200 playing strike or central attacking. Mid And jason gave me 2746 02:25:02.280 --> 02:25:04.719 this look LIKE i will strangle you right, now But 2747 02:25:04.840 --> 02:25:06.680 i'll never forget what he said to me because it 2748 02:25:06.760 --> 02:25:09.600 turned out to be. Prophetic he, said If kyle embraces 2749 02:25:09.719 --> 02:25:11.799 this position and What i'm asking him to do in 2750 02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:14.040 this diamond, formation he will play in A World, cup 2751 02:25:14.600 --> 02:25:17.959 which he. Did and so after that conversation With, JASON 2752 02:25:18.079 --> 02:25:20.159 i Watched kyle in a different way THAN i had 2753 02:25:20.200 --> 02:25:23.200 prior to because you, know like people focus on the, 2754 02:25:23.280 --> 02:25:26.719 ball they focus on the, touchdown, pass the, dunk unless 2755 02:25:26.719 --> 02:25:28.799 It's jokic it's a layup because you can't, dunk or 2756 02:25:29.079 --> 02:25:32.280 in soccer it's the. Goals you focus on the, moments, Right, 2757 02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:35.479 so after Watching kyle just dominate the way that he 2758 02:25:35.600 --> 02:25:39.760 did at that, position it gives me a different set 2759 02:25:39.799 --> 02:25:42.079 of eyes to watch A mecca evolve the way he's 2760 02:25:42.319 --> 02:25:44.360 and there's a Little kyle in A. MECCA i, thought 2761 02:25:45.079 --> 02:25:47.319 so as far as bright spots that we're going to go. 2762 02:25:47.399 --> 02:25:48.879 THERE i Think amecha continues to. 2763 02:25:48.959 --> 02:25:53.559 Evolve, Yeah and What pablo consistently praises A mecca for 2764 02:25:54.200 --> 02:25:59.360 is his, brain his, intelligence his ability to process. Information 2765 02:26:00.120 --> 02:26:02.760 and you, know A mecca has the fortune of playing 2766 02:26:02.879 --> 02:26:06.600 the same position That pablo And kyle played for fifteen 2767 02:26:06.680 --> 02:26:08.920 years at a very very high level in this league 2768 02:26:08.959 --> 02:26:16.399 and in this. Country and A mecca is constantly taking 2769 02:26:16.760 --> 02:26:20.520 What pablo is teaching, him whether it's in film, sessions training, 2770 02:26:20.600 --> 02:26:23.239 sessions are just grabbing him during the game and, say, 2771 02:26:23.760 --> 02:26:26.440 hey when you're in this, situation check over your left 2772 02:26:26.479 --> 02:26:28.959 shoulder because that's where they're going to try and. Whatever 2773 02:26:29.680 --> 02:26:34.079 and you, know A mecca twenty five years old in 2774 02:26:34.280 --> 02:26:37.680 the national team, MIX i think he's played the second 2775 02:26:37.719 --> 02:26:41.319 most minutes for the field players FOR us this. Year, 2776 02:26:41.440 --> 02:26:44.639 clearly our Leader Johnny russell's presence now is going TO 2777 02:26:44.639 --> 02:26:47.959 i think help A mecca accelerate his leadership side of 2778 02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:52.159 his game and his. Captaincy but you, know we wouldn't 2779 02:26:52.360 --> 02:26:54.319 we wouldn't even be in the middle of the pack 2780 02:26:54.799 --> 02:26:56.799 in The west without A mecca And, ojeda WHICH i 2781 02:26:56.879 --> 02:27:00.120 think are one of the better midfield tandems in the. 2782 02:27:00.200 --> 02:27:03.600 League and, finally another bright SPOT i do think has Been. 2783 02:27:04.319 --> 02:27:07.079 CABRAL i do you know the keeper That kurt decided 2784 02:27:07.120 --> 02:27:09.719 to bring. In it was it was just difficult last 2785 02:27:09.799 --> 02:27:13.760 year Watching, zach who at TIMES i think stepped in 2786 02:27:13.840 --> 02:27:15.799 here as a veteran and played some really really good, 2787 02:27:15.879 --> 02:27:20.040 soccer looked like it was orange slices and juice boxes. 2788 02:27:20.159 --> 02:27:22.639 Like these mistakes that he was making were just, wild 2789 02:27:23.200 --> 02:27:25.600 AND i think most people Believe gav is going to 2790 02:27:25.639 --> 02:27:28.639 be great once it's fully cooked and he's fully. DEVELOPED 2791 02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:31.719 i was glad you guys addressed it because you needed. 2792 02:27:31.760 --> 02:27:33.680 Too so tell us a little bit about this new 2793 02:27:33.760 --> 02:27:34.600 keeper and we'll finish. 2794 02:27:34.639 --> 02:27:37.399 It. YEAH i, Mean Raphael cabral is a little older 2795 02:27:38.040 --> 02:27:40.040 before we Got Johnny. RUSSELL i think he's our only 2796 02:27:40.120 --> 02:27:42.799 player over the age of. Thirty With zach on the 2797 02:27:42.879 --> 02:27:48.959 shelf rehabbing his. Shoulder cabral won a Copa bertelories when 2798 02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:53.399 he was, young very Prestigious South american, competition won titles 2799 02:27:53.479 --> 02:27:57.040 With napoli In, italy played In england at a high, 2800 02:27:57.120 --> 02:27:59.319 level and then played in his home country Of brazil 2801 02:27:59.319 --> 02:28:01.600 the last couple of year at a very high. Level 2802 02:28:01.680 --> 02:28:06.360 he is a consummate. Leader he is not a, perfectionist 2803 02:28:06.440 --> 02:28:08.559 because when he is trying to teach people how to 2804 02:28:08.639 --> 02:28:12.719 learn from their, mistakes he's very cognizant about acknowledging his 2805 02:28:12.920 --> 02:28:15.200 own or that he will make them that he's not. 2806 02:28:15.360 --> 02:28:19.920 Perfect he loves his, family he loves his, faith and 2807 02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:24.760 he's really been extremely. Solid we saw this weekend he's 2808 02:28:24.799 --> 02:28:28.879 now saved two of the four penalty kicks he's faced this, 2809 02:28:29.040 --> 02:28:31.399 year which is big when it seems like there's a 2810 02:28:32.079 --> 02:28:36.200 game changing penalty or vaar call almost every week. Now 2811 02:28:36.879 --> 02:28:39.559 AND i think we're lucky to have. Him so if 2812 02:28:39.639 --> 02:28:42.719 we Get Brian vera, back you Have justin glad. Healthy 2813 02:28:43.239 --> 02:28:46.159 you know that's a very good. Spine when you can 2814 02:28:46.200 --> 02:28:52.600 go Cabral, vera Glad Oheeda annelli and Then Diego luna 2815 02:28:52.639 --> 02:28:56.520 at the central ten up, top you've got to build around. 2816 02:28:56.559 --> 02:28:59.639 It we need guys to step up around. It, xaviergozo 2817 02:29:00.000 --> 02:29:03.600 eighteen year old homegrown From Eagle, mountain is clearly rising 2818 02:29:03.680 --> 02:29:06.879 to the. Occasion hopefully that lights a fire under. Dom 2819 02:29:06.959 --> 02:29:08.760 he can get back out. There there's a lot of soccer. 2820 02:29:08.879 --> 02:29:12.920 LEFT i think everybody's, together everybody's, optimistic but we will 2821 02:29:13.000 --> 02:29:16.239 see what what Moves kurt and company make this summer. 2822 02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:19.520 Port are you gonna be tuning in to the playoffs, 2823 02:29:19.520 --> 02:29:22.360 tonight because here's Where i'm. AT i have so much 2824 02:29:22.440 --> 02:29:25.399 respect For jokic That i'll, say, gentlemen. Sweep but do 2825 02:29:25.399 --> 02:29:27.360 you Think okay Sweeps? Denver do you think it's in? 2826 02:29:27.440 --> 02:29:32.479 FIVE i think. THIS i actually think the series or 2827 02:29:32.520 --> 02:29:35.559 it goes five? Games it's five? Games, okay five. 2828 02:29:35.639 --> 02:29:36.520 Games he. 2829 02:29:38.319 --> 02:29:40.639 Doesn't dunk because he shares the ball with a g 2830 02:29:40.879 --> 02:29:43.639 because it's as you, know assists makes two people. Happy 2831 02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:46.920 it's great to see, You nuggets and six stop. It, 2832 02:29:47.159 --> 02:29:48.760 see this is why we Keep you're going to get 2833 02:29:48.760 --> 02:29:50.520 a split In Oklahoma. City they're going to win the 2834 02:29:50.559 --> 02:29:52.440 two at, home they lose one and then they win. 2835 02:29:52.559 --> 02:29:54.639 Game this is why we. Think this is why we can't. 2836 02:29:54.639 --> 02:29:57.399 Talk let's put a Black desert round on. 2837 02:29:57.479 --> 02:29:57.520 This. 2838 02:29:58.760 --> 02:30:03.600 Seriously, Yeah i'm let's Bet let's bet seventy. Seventy let's 2839 02:30:03.600 --> 02:30:05.479 bet one. Hundred you're going to pay for all my 2840 02:30:05.559 --> 02:30:06.280 golf for the rest of my. 2841 02:30:06.360 --> 02:30:07.159 Life let's bet. 2842 02:30:07.120 --> 02:30:11.479 Five million dollars right now On, okay don't have access 2843 02:30:11.520 --> 02:30:13.360 to that kind of fund we on. Either but that's 2844 02:30:13.399 --> 02:30:16.040 Why i'm happy to go ahead and and lay it. Down, 2845 02:30:16.079 --> 02:30:18.479 Look i'm pulling for your guys BECAUSE i know it 2846 02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:19.840 makes you happy to See denver. 2847 02:30:19.959 --> 02:30:22.239 Win have you Watched okay so you get all this? Show, 2848 02:30:22.319 --> 02:30:26.280 yeah they are, impossible impossible to watch with a shameless 2849 02:30:26.319 --> 02:30:30.559 Grifter alexander shooting twenty five free throws a? Game are 2850 02:30:30.600 --> 02:30:31.000 you hitting? 2851 02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:33.159 Me? See that's all going to dry up in the. 2852 02:30:33.200 --> 02:30:35.440 Playoffs this is why we can't TALK nba when treys. 2853 02:30:35.479 --> 02:30:36.399 Here He. 2854 02:30:38.360 --> 02:30:42.079 He has a small point about the the fact that 2855 02:30:42.440 --> 02:30:44.760 the translation is harder in the playoffs to get to 2856 02:30:44.799 --> 02:30:46.559 the free throw line that much to rely on its. 2857 02:30:46.639 --> 02:30:49.920 Crouch but is that going to play into an account 2858 02:30:49.959 --> 02:30:51.600 against This denver? Team who do? 2859 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:51.719 You? 2860 02:30:51.879 --> 02:30:55.200 Who do you anxiety watch more than any other? 2861 02:30:55.239 --> 02:30:56.600 Team anxiety? Watch? 2862 02:30:56.680 --> 02:30:57.760 Yeah like when you're what is IT? 2863 02:30:57.959 --> 02:31:01.280 Rsl is It? Denver Like i'm ACTUALLY i don't have 2864 02:31:01.360 --> 02:31:04.920 a ton of anxiety BECAUSE i know That murray Or 2865 02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:07.159 gordon are gonna you know WHY i get it? Done never, 2866 02:31:07.239 --> 02:31:11.040 mind it's PROBABLY rsl okay still to this, day and 2867 02:31:11.159 --> 02:31:13.000 maybe the you, know there were a lot of Rough 2868 02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:14.360 bronco watches over the last eight. 2869 02:31:14.440 --> 02:31:16.959 Years yeah, YEAH i mean they finally got a. Quarterback 2870 02:31:17.000 --> 02:31:18.559 at least you have some, hope all. Right so It's 2871 02:31:18.680 --> 02:31:20.840 dallas coming up this. WEEKEND rsl has been on the, 2872 02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:22.319 road but they will be back home for A. 2873 02:31:22.399 --> 02:31:26.079 Wednesday, Yeah wednesday the fourteenth at home Against, portland and 2874 02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:29.079 then we head off To, colorado WHERE i will be 2875 02:31:30.319 --> 02:31:33.440 At Ball arena For game six As denver clinches the. 2876 02:31:33.520 --> 02:31:35.920 Series two nights BEFORE. Rsl you. 2877 02:31:36.000 --> 02:31:38.799 Turn i'm trying to give you guys a little love. Here, 2878 02:31:38.879 --> 02:31:41.200 okay you get back for four or five at home In. June, 2879 02:31:41.239 --> 02:31:42.879 okay just feel like the club has been on the. 2880 02:31:42.920 --> 02:31:44.840 Road we'll get back For, ACTUALLY i think it's nine 2881 02:31:44.920 --> 02:31:48.280 out of eleven at home after this long road. Stretch, 2882 02:31:48.360 --> 02:31:50.559 gotcha good to see, It thanks for the, Time thanks 2883 02:31:50.600 --> 02:31:52.559 for having. Me Kenny atkinson has. 2884 02:31:52.479 --> 02:31:55.159 Been named The coach of The year In Pro BASKETBALL 2885 02:31:56.360 --> 02:32:00.319 Nba Playoffs Tonight nix and The, celtics and then it 2886 02:32:00.479 --> 02:32:04.639 is The nuggets And Oklahoma. City so round two getting. 2887 02:32:04.719 --> 02:32:07.719 Going The Utah Hockey club did not win the draft. 2888 02:32:07.760 --> 02:32:10.559 Lottery they will draft fourteen at a one point five 2889 02:32:10.639 --> 02:32:15.000 percent chance of winning the Lottery Porter trivia time THE 2890 02:32:15.200 --> 02:32:18.399 nba Flat, yeah here we. Go THE nba flattened their 2891 02:32:18.479 --> 02:32:23.079 lottery odds in twenty. Nineteen so we've had five drafts 2892 02:32:23.639 --> 02:32:28.479 where the worst team in pro basketball has a fourteen 2893 02:32:28.520 --> 02:32:30.520 percent chance along with the other two teams in that. 2894 02:32:30.680 --> 02:32:34.399 Category how many times in the five years has the 2895 02:32:34.479 --> 02:32:37.520 worst team in THE nba received the number one overall 2896 02:32:37.600 --> 02:32:38.959 pick zero? 2897 02:32:39.440 --> 02:32:42.840 Zero not one? Time so we are one week, away 2898 02:32:43.520 --> 02:32:47.719 will The jazz become the first? Team, well you're telling 2899 02:32:47.799 --> 02:32:51.239 me there's a, CHANCE i sure, am, YEAH i mean 2900 02:32:51.399 --> 02:32:54.000 that's that's the funny. Part we can. Prognosticate but it 2901 02:32:54.239 --> 02:32:59.399 literally is based on a couple of ping pong balls 2902 02:32:59.479 --> 02:33:03.879 flying in the right. Direction and you know, what what 2903 02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:06.079 do they have as good a chance as two other? 2904 02:33:06.200 --> 02:33:06.479 Teams? 2905 02:33:06.600 --> 02:33:10.959 Right fourteen point three percent between three different. Teams utah 2906 02:33:11.159 --> 02:33:15.159 has that. Opportunity AND i don't, KNOW i got good 2907 02:33:15.239 --> 02:33:17.440 vibes about. IT i don't think they're gonna drop a, 2908 02:33:17.520 --> 02:33:22.680 Bunch like there's there's SOME ptsd From jazz fans THAT 2909 02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:26.319 i don't know they should have because they always. Are 2910 02:33:26.399 --> 02:33:30.159 they look at these numbers where The jazz have never 2911 02:33:30.319 --> 02:33:34.479 moved up in the draft, lottery they've always moved down. Right, yeah, 2912 02:33:34.559 --> 02:33:37.079 well they've also not really been in that situation very. 2913 02:33:37.120 --> 02:33:39.440 Often so you're looking at a very very small sample 2914 02:33:39.520 --> 02:33:43.920 size that doesn't really have much historical historical. Significance, because, 2915 02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:48.879 hey The jazz have been in the playoffs like every 2916 02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:51.520 year of their, existence and the lottery wasn't even a 2917 02:33:51.600 --> 02:33:52.600 conversation for two. 2918 02:33:52.719 --> 02:33:53.200 Decades SO. 2919 02:33:54.680 --> 02:33:57.920 I have good feelings about. It but you know that 2920 02:33:58.040 --> 02:34:00.680 doesn't go, Anywhere, no it does. Not we'll be hoping 2921 02:34:00.760 --> 02:34:01.040 for good. 2922 02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:03.639 Things Having Cooper flag in our market might make our 2923 02:34:03.799 --> 02:34:07.879 NATIONAL nba guests pay attention to The. Jazz, yeah, yeah they, would, 2924 02:34:08.159 --> 02:34:10.399 well because the past couple of years when we have them, 2925 02:34:10.399 --> 02:34:12.920 On i'm, like, hey let's do a jazz. QUESTION i 2926 02:34:12.959 --> 02:34:14.920 got tim what do you want to talk? About johnny 2927 02:34:14.959 --> 02:34:17.840 Jews in getting minutes, LIKE i don't. Know all, right 2928 02:34:17.879 --> 02:34:19.399 before we catch a, BREAK i want to tell you 2929 02:34:19.440 --> 02:34:22.319 about my friends At Advanced Window. Products Nate, orchard mayor 2930 02:34:22.319 --> 02:34:25.399 Of Sac Lake, city a LONGTIME nfl, player and Obviously Jake. 2931 02:34:25.440 --> 02:34:29.760 Weber just great great, people great family owned. 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Break what 2953 02:35:20.959 --> 02:35:24.120 comes our way on A tuesday edition of the radio. 2954 02:35:23.959 --> 02:35:26.760 Show on A, Tuesday, Spence, well we'll talk you a 2955 02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:29.239 LITTLE nba, hey maybe some jazz With tim, McMahon THE 2956 02:35:29.360 --> 02:35:33.600 Nba daily assist talk SOME nba. Playoffs Tony park stops 2957 02:35:33.639 --> 02:35:36.319 by the. Program we'll talk some, hoops talk some, baseball 2958 02:35:36.639 --> 02:35:39.680 go all over the map WITH tp plenty to get 2959 02:35:39.760 --> 02:35:44.040 to with our Friend Spencer. Linton no, football no, basketball nothing, 2960 02:35:44.120 --> 02:35:47.520 ongoing but still a lot of rivalry talk that we 2961 02:35:47.600 --> 02:35:50.120 can we can dive into. There and we heard today 2962 02:35:50.159 --> 02:35:53.879 From Will. Hardy in the meantime between today's show and, 2963 02:35:53.959 --> 02:35:57.239 tomorrow we're gonna hear From Bill armstrong Of Utah Hockey. 2964 02:35:57.280 --> 02:35:58.360 Clubs we'll go. 2965 02:35:58.479 --> 02:36:01.680 There wait a, Second wait a, second let's not catch 2966 02:36:01.719 --> 02:36:05.719 a break just, yet BECAUSE i may have. Misspoke i'm 2967 02:36:05.760 --> 02:36:10.719 watching THE Nhl draft lottery live, here AND i think 2968 02:36:10.840 --> 02:36:13.559 The Utah Hockey club just got the ball they needed 2969 02:36:13.600 --> 02:36:13.879 to move. 2970 02:36:14.000 --> 02:36:16.760 Up The Utah Hockey club has moved up to number 2971 02:36:16.840 --> 02:36:18.920 four in the draft. 2972 02:36:19.159 --> 02:36:22.000 Lottery, okay so WHAT i saw was they were eliminated 2973 02:36:22.040 --> 02:36:24.680 from the first or the second. Pick The Utah Hockey 2974 02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:27.399 club just moved up to number. Four there's a Smiling 2975 02:36:27.520 --> 02:36:33.040 Bill armstrong on. Television holy. Smokes, well there you, go 2976 02:36:34.040 --> 02:36:35.520 little draft lottery luck on This. 2977 02:36:35.639 --> 02:36:37.840 Monday and we'll get the reaction From bill on the show. 2978 02:36:37.879 --> 02:36:38.520 Tomorrow yes we. 2979 02:36:38.559 --> 02:36:41.600 Will So Bill armstrong will join us, tomorrow the day 2980 02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:46.239 after The Utah Hockey club moved up from fourteen to number. 2981 02:36:46.079 --> 02:36:46.959 Four in the. 2982 02:36:47.040 --> 02:36:49.520 Lottery some good vibes, here we need it one week. 2983 02:36:49.559 --> 02:36:51.559 Away maybe OUR nba team will get some good luck as. 2984 02:36:51.600 --> 02:36:53.319 Well All, right we'll say good. Night special thank you 2985 02:36:53.399 --> 02:36:57.200 today To Tom, Haberstrow Richard smith And Trey Fitzgerald forrady the. 2986 02:36:57.239 --> 02:36:58.879 Sound you may have missed from the show, today log 2987 02:36:58.959 --> 02:37:01.479 onto the, website which is HE espn seven hundred sports dot. 2988 02:37:01.600 --> 02:37:04.680 Com make sure to download our mobile app and take 2989 02:37:04.760 --> 02:37:06.760 us on the. Go THE espn seven hundred app is 2990 02:37:06.760 --> 02:37:08.639 available in The App store in The Google Play. Store, then, 2991 02:37:08.680 --> 02:37:11.559 finally for what we do every day in our space 2992 02:37:11.639 --> 02:37:14.040 four hours every, afternoon check out our podcast. 2993 02:37:14.120 --> 02:37:14.920 Page give us your. 2994 02:37:15.040 --> 02:37:18.399 Support The Utah Hockey club moves up ten spots in 2995 02:37:18.440 --> 02:37:21.159 THE Nhl draft and we'll get the fourth overall pick. 2996 02:37:21.000 --> 02:37:21.399 In the first. 2997 02:37:21.479 --> 02:37:24.360 Round, man that's some cool. Stuff, Reporter i'm spent saga 2998 02:37:24.440 --> 02:37:26.239 night and enjoy Your monday. Evening we'll talk to you 2999 02:37:26.879 --> 02:37:29.559 on a jam Pack tuesday edition of the program Featuring 3000 02:37:29.600 --> 02:37:32.159 Bill armstrong and The Utah Hockey, club who will have 3001 02:37:32.280 --> 02:37:34.879 the fourth overall, pick have a great, night talk to 3002 02:37:34.879 --> 02:37:37.399 you tomorrow right here ON espn seven hundred