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back to part forty of our reading of two hundred

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Years Together by Alexander Soshaniesen. How are you doing today,

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doctor Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I was up till three this morning putting together my

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latest Daily Nationalists, should be posted by now on the

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What's left of the tragedy, the farce of the Ukrainian

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Air Force. It took me hours. It took me days

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to get all this together. Drago Bosnich, who knows more

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about the technical aspects of the various you know, the

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white Russians are so superior to the West in so

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many you know, weaponry and the planes themselves, reading him

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a lot, and I put together.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Publish it soon on my Patreon. It's probably the best

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thing I've ever done, the best lecturer I ever put

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out there. For some reason, there's a couple of them

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that I'm really really proud of. And that's people to

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underestimate how long it takes to put one of these

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lectures together. For an hour now, usually I go for

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an hour and a half or more on the Orthodox Nationalist.

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The Daily Nationalists supposed to be a half. I end

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up going like it usually at least an hour because

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I can't do anything in under an hour. So but

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this one, what's done in about fifty minutes. Very proud

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of it. It's so tragic. They're sending these boys up

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in death traps. They have no idea what they're doing.

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They're only trained. It's it's so I don't know what

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they tell these guys, but their survival rate is almost zero.

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They can't even get off the ground. With that being

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it's really it's a tragedy, and it's assows you the

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nature of the regime, the nature of the ruling class,

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and what they really think of Ukrainians in this absolutely,

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at this point, absolutely ridiculous war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we know who's behind it. So let's let's

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talk a little bit about them, how about that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, this is this is nothing compared to that,

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I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, here we go, picking up from where we

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were left off last time. So the Pogram against the

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Jews began in the evening of the eighteenth of October.

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At its initial stage, the program undoubtedly assumed the character

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of retaliation against the offense to national sentiment. The assaults

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against the Jews passed in the street, the destruction of

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shops and the merchandise they contained, were accompanied by words

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such as, here it is your liberty, Here it is

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your constitution and your revolution. This this is for the

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portraits of the Czar and the Crown. The next morning,

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October nineteenth, a large crowd came from Duma to the

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Cathedral of Saint Sophia bearing the empty frames of the

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Tsar's portraits and the broken emblems of the imperial power.

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It stopped at the university to have the damaged portraits restored.

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A mass was celebrated and the Metropolitan Flevian exhorted the

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people not to indulge in excesses and return home. But

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while the people who formed the heart of the patriot

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demonstration maintained an exemplary order, individuals who joined them along

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the way allowed themselves to be subjected to all kinds

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of violence against the Jewish passers by, as well as

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high school pupils or students in uniform. They were then

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joined by the workers the homeless of the flea market,

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the bums. Groups of rioters sacked the houses and shops

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of the Jews, threw into the street their goods and merchandise,

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which were partly destroyed on the spot, partly plundered the

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servants the guardians of the building. The little shopkeepers apparently

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saw nothing wrong with taking advantage of the property of others. Others,

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on the contrary, remained isolated to all interested goals until

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the day of the disorders. They tore from the hands

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of their companions to objects that they had stolen, and

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without paying attention to their value, destroyed them on the spot.

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The rioters did not touch the shops of the car writes,

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nor the houses where they were present, where they were

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presented portraits of the emperor.

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Speaker 2: But on being interrupt right there, sure, let me interrupt

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right there. I've said this before, but I think it's

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very important that he points out that the car Writes

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weren't touched the cartwrights. Of course, there's not that many

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of them. The Talmudists tried to slaughter them all many

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years ago. There's a few of them still around. And

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this means that even even for the mob, the word

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Jew was identical with Talmudist. That's what the car Writs

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are known for. They have no They reject the talmut,

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and they reject the rabbinical system. They would reject the

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Cahal all that they're they're you know, you call them Jews,

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but I don't even think that fits. And I think

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it's very important he makes that distinction. And I don't

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know how many of them homeless would know not to

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touch the car wrights, so that means someone must have

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told them. You know, these are not These are not

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the problem. It's the talmutus that are the problem. Anyway,

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go ahead, but on the whole. Only a few hours

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after it had begun, the program took the form of

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a pitiless rampage. On the eighteenth, it continued long into

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the night, then stopped on its own, to resume on

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the morning of the nineteenth, and to cease only on

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the evening of the twentieth. There were no fires except

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one in the Padal district. On the nineteenth, luxury shops

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belonging to Jews were sacked as far as the city center.

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On the Kresaichik Krechatik, the heavy metal curtains and locks

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were forced after half an hour of hard work. Expensive

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textiles velvet cloths were thrown into the street and spread

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out in the mud in the rain like rags of

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no value. In front of the shop of the jeweler

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Markish on the Kreshatk, the pavement was littered with precious objects,

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and the same for fashion shops, the dry goods stores,

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the pavement was fraught with account books invoices. In Lipka,

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the Sheik neighborhood, the private mansions of the Jews were sacked,

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that of Baron Ginsburg of Halperin, of Alexander and leonbrod

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Brodsky of Landau and many more. All the luxurious deb

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decoration of those houses was destroyed, the furniture broken and

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thrown into the street. Likewise, a model secondary school for

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the Jews that the Broadsky School, was ravaged. There was

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nothing left of the marble staircases and the wrought iron ramps.

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In all it was nearly fifteen hundred apartments and commercial

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premises belonging to Jews were plundered, starting from the fact

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that nearly two thirds of the city's trade was in

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the hands of the Jews. To so assess losses, including

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the richest mansions to several million rubles, it had been

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planned to ransack not only Jewish houses but also those

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of the prominent liberal personalities. On the nineteenth Bishop.

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Speaker 1: Plato led a procession through the streets of Padul, where

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the pogram had been particularly violent, urging the people to

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put an end to the abuses, imploring the crowds to

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spare the lives and property of the Jews. The bishop

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knelt several times before it. A broken man came out

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of the crowd and shouted, threatening you two, you're for

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the Jews.

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Speaker 2: I think the issue, of course, they're worried about innocent

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people at children when these things get out of control.

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Yesterday we read a paragraph, you know, just a bit

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before this one, where the Jews were doing the exact

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same thing. If you go to the Jewish encyclopedia or

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even just a history text this kid pogram, they'll describe

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these outbursts, but with no context. Somehow, for these people,

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context is the enemy. It's like their kryptonite. No one

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wants innocent people being hurt. But if the state wasn't

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going to do anything, the people took matters into their

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own hands. It is impossible to condemn this kind of thing,

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especially under these circumstances. These Jews and the very fact

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that they were well, that they were educated enough not

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to touch the Karrite holmes. And it's a miracle that

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the Talmutus would even let them live. You know. Usually

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I thought they would just be wiped out on the spot.

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But like it used to be in Spain, but but

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this is something that I've been coming for a very

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long time. The state was at least in in Kiev,

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of course, a heavily Jewish area, very wealthy, uh city.

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You know, Jews have been particularly obnoxious. We've been reading

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about the abuses of the Jews, but what do they

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expect And when they write about this, they'll say that

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this was just Jewish you know, mindless hatred for no

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reason except maybe for jealousy. So Bishop Playton, you know,

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he's he realized that these things can get very much

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out of control and that there needs to be organization,

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you know, which is where the Black Hundreds came in.

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Can't just be a mob. A mob can't do it.

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I mean, if they could, they could destroy things. That's

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pretty much about it. They go home afterwards. If it's organized,

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it's but it was organized enough again to make sure

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that the the homes of the of the of certain

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people weren't touched. Where there was a portrait of the

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Emperor Jews who didn't follow the Talmud. This was an

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anti tom Woodick outburst against the abuses of the Jews

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that have been going on for decades. And uh, it's

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not a pogram at all. I mean, I guess you

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could call it that, but it's it's a simple matter

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of a very crude form of justice because the state,

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you know, wasn't doing much about this, was favoring them

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in a lot of different ways. No one likes these outbursts,

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No one likes violence, no one likes them to hurt anybody.

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But under the circumstances, and we also we also see

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how the Jews responded to weakness. The minute the Czar

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gave in instituted the you know, so called constitution and

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the and the Duma, they went crazy. This this pogram

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was in response to them sacking the Duma and and

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and just absolutely acting like lunatic children after the uh

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after the Duma was was granted. This doesn't show this,

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you know this, this at least is a response, Okay,

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we have to be we have to be more careful

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here in the future. Of course they weren't, but you

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would think that that would be their their response. It's

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very crude. No one likes it. I don't. I don't

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believe in this, in this kind of violence. But of

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course I also wasn't there. I wasn't there when the

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Jews were on a rampage, and we know what the

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Jews were going to do to a lot of these

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same people in just a few years. There's a certain,

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very crude justice to this.

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Speaker 1: We have already seen the carelessness that prevailed among the authorities.

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General Drake did not take appropriate measures to ensure the

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proper organization of security. The troops should not have been

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scattered in small detachments. There were too many patrols, and

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the men often stayed idle. And here we are What

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struck everyone during the pogrom was the obvious inaction close

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to complacency, which was shown by both the army and

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the police. The latter was virtually absent, and the troops

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moved slowly, merely replying to the shots fired from certain houses,

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while on either side of the street, the shops and

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apartments of the Jews were sacked with impunity. A prosecutor

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asked a patrol of Cossacks to intervene or protect stores

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that were looted nearby. The Cossacks replied that they would

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not go, that it was not their sector.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you don't laugh when you read that.

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I remember the first time I read it, I did.

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I smiled Cossacks. Their whole world was protecting Christians from

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the Jews. To now ask them to protect these exploiters

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from the mob, of course they're going to say, you know,

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they're they're being very nice about it. It's not our sector.

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We're on coffee break. I don't know, I lost my sword,

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you know, my horse was sick. I'm sure they came

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up with all of these to avoid it. Now things

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went too far, that would be a different story. But

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so long as it was confined to you know, you know,

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a couple of punches or someone or their their stuff

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being thrown out into the street, they didn't have a

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whole lot of incentive to chop off arms in the

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protection of a group of people that they were sworn

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as Cossacks to do battle with.

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Speaker 1: More serious still, a whole series of witnesses had the

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impression that the police in the army had been dispatched

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not to just burst of breakers, but to protect them here.

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The soldiers declared that they had been ordered to ensure

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that there were no clashes and the Russians were not

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attacked elsewhere. They said that if they had taken an

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oath to God into the Tsar, it was not to

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protect those who had lacerated and jeered at the portraits

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of the Tsar. As for the officers, they considered themselves

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powerless to prevent disorders, and felt themselves entitled to use

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force only in cases where the violence was directed against

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their men. Example of a house ran out a jew

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covered with blood, pursued by the crowd. An infantry company

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was right there, but it paid no attention to what

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was going on and quietly went up the street. Elsewhere

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the plunderers were massacring two Jews with table legs. A

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detachment of cavalry, stationed ten paces awake, contemplated placidly the scene.

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It is not surprising that the man in the street

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could have understood things like this. The Tsar graciously granted

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us the right to beat the kikes for six days.

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The soldier and the soldiers, you see, is all this

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conceivable without the approval of the authorities. For their part,

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the police officers, when they were demanded to put an

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end to the disorders, objected that they could do nothing

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to the extent that the full powers had been transferred

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to the military command. But there was also a large

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crowd of thugs that took flight due to a police

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commissioner who brandished his revolver, assisted by only one peace

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keeper and police officer, Oustromensky, with three patrolmen and some soldiers,

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succeeded in preventing acts of looting in his neighborhood without

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even resorting to force.

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Speaker 2: The concept of variot has always interested me, you know,

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as a scholar, I got into it with Northern Ireland

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and it's definitely South Korea. Lebon's the crowd. There's a

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whole sociology of this here. You know, a riot is

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a very crude response. Sometimes you could fully understand, but

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who were the people who are taking part and what's

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their mentality? When I see a riot, I remember the

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riots against the There was some austerity in Britain a

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few years ago and there was a riode in London.

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I see these punks with mohawks. I guarantee you if

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you ask them what it specifically you're rioting about, they

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they couldn't explain that cuts the social security or whatever

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it was. That's not what they're there for. They're there

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because that's who they are. So you have people who

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took action on principle and just sheer anger and thugs

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people who just do this. They're looking for any excuse.

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It's really hard to tell the difference. But now the

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problems between the Cossack command, military command and local police

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in Kiev, that was a legitimate issue. No one was

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quite sure who had the right to do what. This

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had nothing to do, you know with the state had

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nothing to do with this, This wasn't permitted. But a

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Russian policeman is not going to put his life on

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the line when he probably is very much on the

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side of the rioters, so long as people aren't being

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killed and innocent people aren't being hurt, you know, But

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how do you avoid that at some point and this

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people will be hurt, you know. But they specifically seemed

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to go to places that there was a lot of money,

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not just because they could take things, but they were

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the exploiters. So this was something of a principled a riot.

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But the minute you start talking about thugs or the homeless,

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as we've already mentioned, the minute they get someone who's drunk,

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then it's not legitimate anymore. It's not crue justice anymore.

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Now it's just antisocial people. Oh, we finally have an

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excuse to show how anti solcial we are to take

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out our anger on other things on this, pretending that

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we have these principles. So there was a legitimate problem

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in terms of law enforcement, not something that the Russians

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particularly good at at the time. But again, as everyone

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who's been following this knows, if there was ever a

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riot that was provoked by its victims, it's this one.

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Speaker 1: The looterers did not have firearms, while the young Jews

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they had some. However, unlike what happened in Gamel, here,

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the Jews had not organized their self defense. Even though

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shots were fired from many houses by members of self

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defense groups who included in their ranks both Jews and

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Russians who had taken their part. It is undeniable that

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in some cases these shots were directed against the troops

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and constituted acts of retaliation for the shots fired on

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the crowd during the demonstrations of the previous days. Sometimes

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Jews fired on the patriotic parades organized response to the

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revolutionary demonstrations that had taken place before, but these shots

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had deplorable consequences without producing any effects on the rioters.

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They gave the troops a pretext to apply their instructions

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to the letter. As soon as shots came from a

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house to troops who were there, without even inquiring whether

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they were directed against them or against the rioters, sent

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a salvo into its windows, after which the crowd rushed

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in and ransacked it. We saw cases where we were

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firing at a house solely because someone had claimed the

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shots had gone. It also happened that the looters claimed

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the stairs of a house and fired shots toward the

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street to provoke the troops retaliation and then engage in plundering.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken about this before too. The Jews were armed.

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The Jews didn't have self defense groups. Now you see

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that first couple of sentences. Unlike in Gomel, the Jews

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hadn't organized their self defense in Kiev, even though shots

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were fired from many homes by members of self defense groups.

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And then they say by members of who included in

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their ranks both Jews and Russians who had taken their part.

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I think I know what they're talking about there. There

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had to have been something, given the hyper organization of

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Jews everywhere, especially in Russia at the time. There certainly

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were militias here. I think this whole thing took them

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by surprise, and especially since you had three law enforcement organizations. Cossacks,

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you know, this is a kid, this is Ukraine, Cossacks, soldiers,

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and local police. Again, these police forces were not very

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large and not trained for crowd control, and they were

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they were quite confused because of all of that. You know,

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they didn't expect anything like this to happen. So but

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minute shots rang out. It's pretty certain that these were

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Jewish groups because as far as anyone can tell, this

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is the and he's this is quoting, by the way,

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this isn't Soultian Eastern writing. Most of this. This is

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from the report after the after the event, translated by him.

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You know, these soldiers were largely defending themselves. It was

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pretty certain that the Jews worth the armed ones. And

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it really depends on where these bullets were landing, you know.

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And it clearly had no effect on the writers, which

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is interesting. But yeah, you know, the soldiers will defend

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themselves here regardless of who's shooting. But there were no firearms,

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as this says on the Russian side. It's also interesting

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to note that from here on end, although this happened

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before anyway, but especially in this era, any pro Russian

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pro royalist demonstration and there were many. You know, again,

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Black Hundreds were mostly Ukrainian organization. It was the Jews

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who provoked the riot. It was the Jews who shot

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them with Jews who attacked them. Those very same attacks

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then today are called programs against the Jews because their

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fight broke broke out. Obviously, to to the extent of

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my knowledge, the Black Hunters were not armed with firearms

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and any of their demonstrations. That was a leftist thing

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to do at the time. But like everything else that's

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happened up until this point, the Jewish media, the media

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in the West, created this fantasy story of the government

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organizing these programs against the Jews for no reason, and

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that means that Russians are animals. They have no right

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to exist, they have no right to rule anything, and

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they need to be disciplined. And it was so it

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was obsessive when when during the Russian Civil War there

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was one offer made to Danique, and I think where

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we may we may think about giving you assistance if

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you purge any anti Semite from your organization, which meant

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there would be like three guys left. They would do

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this all the time, they would they would have there

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they wouldn't have given the man anyway. They never got

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a penny from from the West. But this, this obsession

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with Jews in London and Washington, is one of the

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reasons that they backed the Bolsheviks and the Reds during

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the during the Civil War, then invested heavily in the

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US s R from its foundation, uh almost to its

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very end. So clearly this is a how the Jews

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behaves before this and what we talked about, their childish

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jeering and attacking and physical violence and ripping up pictures

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of of the Czar, although the Czar had done nothing

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to them. It just shows a level of contempt that

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these same Jews are going to show when they take over.

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In late nineteen seventeen.

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Speaker 1: And things got worse. Some of the policemen and soldiers

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did not sustain the goods thrown into the street by

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the vandals, picked them up and hit them in their

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pockets or under their hoods. And although these cases were

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exceptional and punctual, one still saw a police officer dismantling

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the door of a shop himself a corporal and a

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corporal imitating him. The false rumors of looting by the

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army began to circulate when General Everett ordered in his

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area to confiscate goods taken by the looters and stolen goods,

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and to transport them to warehouses of the army for

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subsequent restitution to their owners on presentation of a receipt,

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thus saving property worth several tens of thousands of roubles.

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It is hardly surprising that this scoundrel of Sakotski, seeing

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his his career broken, not only did not take any

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action concerning the action of the police, having learned at

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the beginning of the pogram on the evening of the eighteenth,

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he did not communicate by telegram any information to the

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neighborhood police stations. Before late in the evening of the nineteenth,

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not only did he not transmit any information to generals

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and military security, but he himself, passing through the city,

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had considered what was going on with calm and indifference,

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contenting himself to say to the plunderers, move along, gentlemen,

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and those few encouraged other one another, don't be afraid

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he's joking. And when from the balcony of the Duma

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they began to shout, pound the kikes, plunder break, and

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the crowd then carried the Chief of Police in triumph.

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The latter addressed greetings in response to the cheering of

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the demonstrators. It was not until the twentieth after General

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Carras had sent him a severe warning. As to the

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Director of the Governor General Chancery, he declared that Sarkotski

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would not escape the penal colony, that he ordered the

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police to take all measures to put an end to

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the pogram. Senator Torrou effectively had to bring him to justice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in a sense I could understand. I mean

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this kind of like they were. They were dousing him

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with gatorade after a winning game. You know, That's what

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the first thing I thought of when I you know,

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they were carrying him like like like a hero, because

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he wasn't going to do anything. But although it's understandable,

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the violence is understandable, the targets were clearly picked out,

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which is saying something, if it's left unchecked, innocent people

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are going to be hurt or killed. So at some

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point there does have to be action taken. But uh,

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and that's why that's why these people were getting very

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upset with him. Now I don't know why he did this,

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Clearly he didn't want his career destroyed. I think he

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simply didn't understand the severity of the problem, or that

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this is not really that big of a deal, or

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it's going to be over soon, or you know, he

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convinced himself of something. But the Jews to this day

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will say that this proves the government was in on

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this program, and it's not. It's not true. You had

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confusion at the top. That's true. In Kiev, very far

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from Saint Petersburg, you had a lot of confusion. But

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that doesn't prove it. It doesn't prove anything. This was

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not in the interests of the state. But it shows

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that at some point Russians were that they had had enough,

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they were sick of this, and if the state wasn't

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going to take action, they had no choice. But unfortunately

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it was this, It was crude, it was unwieldy, and

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eventually it has to be stopped.

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Speaker 1: Another security official, disgruntled with his career, General Bezenoff, was

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in the midst the crowd of rioters and was peacefully

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parleying with them. We have the right to demolish, but

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it is not the right to steal. The crowd shotted

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hooray at another moment, he behaved as an indifferent witness

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to the plunder, and when one of the breakers shouted

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slammed the kikes, Bezenoff reacted with an approving laugh. He

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reportedly told the doctor that if he had wanted to,

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he could put He could have put an end to

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the pogram in half an hour, but the Jews participation

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in the revolutionary movement had been too great. They had

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to pay the price after the Pogram. Summoned by the

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military authorities to explain himself, he denied having spoken favorably

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of the pogram, and declared, on the contrary, to have

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exhorted people to return to calm, quoting have mercy on us,

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do not force the troops to use their weapons to

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shed Russian blood, our own blood.

474
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Speaker 2: If I was General son Off, what I have done

475
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any differently? You know, he's not seeing in his people

476
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:05,559
being killed. He's seeing a very crude justice by the

477
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:10,960
by the the a huge portion of the Russian population revolutionaries,

478
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,119
as far as he knew, were the ones paying the

479
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,960
price here. And if that so far as that's true,

480
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,599
there was no way he was going to stop it.

481
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,400
They of course eventually petered out. Uh but as far

482
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,599
as Pisanov and all these other people were concerned, innocent

483
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,559
people were not being hurt. These people lived on plunder,

484
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:35,880
These people lived on exploitation and usury and and manipulation.

485
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:41,119
They were essentially a mafia clan in Russia and a

486
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:47,079
huge portion of the Kievan Kievan population. It's really hard

487
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,839
to blame the guy uh and and people like Pisanov

488
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,079
had had dealt with how many how many of his

489
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,839
friends were murdered by the revolutionary movement. The assassinations were

490
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:02,720
constant at this point. Policemen, level bureaucrats, pencil pushers were

491
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,559
shot on a regular basis by the Revolutionary But with

492
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,559
how many corpses do you have to see before you say?

493
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: What?

494
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,759
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to do anything here. They've

495
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,079
made their bed, and as far as I'm concerned, no

496
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,960
innocent people are being harmed.

497
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Speaker 1: Delegations went one after the other to General Carras, some

498
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:24,240
requesting that some of them take troops out of the city,

499
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000
others for the use of force, and others for taking

500
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,240
measure to protect their property. However, throughout the day of

501
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,079
the nineteenth the police did nothing. In the military executed

502
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,240
orders badly on the twentieth of October, Carras ordered to

503
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,039
encircle and apprehend the hooligans. Many arrests were made once

504
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,720
the army opened fire on the rioters, killing five and

505
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
wounding several others. By the evening of the twentieth, the

506
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,519
program was definitely over, but late in the evening the

507
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:54,200
rumor that the Jews murdered Russians sowed dismay among the population.

508
00:31:54,759 --> 00:32:00,599
Retaliation was feared during the program, according to police estimates,

509
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,920
but a number of victims were taken by the crowd.

510
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,480
There were a total of forty seven debts, including twelve Jews,

511
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:10,240
and two hundred and five wounded, one third of them Jews.

512
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Speaker 2: Okay, that last sentence completely destroys the Jewish view of things.

513
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,119
This was a pogram against Jews. So far, what we've

514
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,319
read says that's exactly what it is. Legitimate or illegitimate,

515
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:30,799
doesn't matter. Forty seven people allegedly were killed as a

516
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,599
result of this, and twelve of them were Jews. That

517
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,039
means the rest of them were Russians. That means the

518
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:43,119
Jews were shooting Russians. That means they were armed. This

519
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,640
was more of a battle than if that's true, than

520
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,759
a riot, and we see in almost all of these

521
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:56,440
programs or so cold programs, both Russians and Jews were killed.

522
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,839
These were battles, These were battles. They were pitched battles

523
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,319
in the streets, kind of like late Weimar Germany. Something

524
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,039
had to be done. But of the forty seven, and I,

525
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,720
you know, I don't know how they know that all

526
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,119
the forty seven were killed as a director result of

527
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:18,279
the riot, although I'm going to believe them. Here forty seven,

528
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,839
only twelve were Jews. That means the majority of them

529
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:28,279
were Russians. Now, the police may have at some point

530
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,200
been responsible for shooting near the end of the riot.

531
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,759
Here again the army, their job isn't isn't law enforcement.

532
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,279
They're not trained for this. You know, today would be

533
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,720
a different story, but back then they're not. They're not

534
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:48,559
law enforcers. But this last sentence tells you everything you

535
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,240
need to know. And the Jews, being as neurotica as

536
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,640
they are, only will tell you that only Jews were

537
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,279
killed and it was done for no reason. And here

538
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:03,279
we see that the majority of those we're we're Russians.

539
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: Turo concludes his report by explaining that the root cause

540
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,079
of the Kiev Pogram lies in the traditional enmity between

541
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,400
the population of Little Russia and the Jewish population, motivated

542
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,000
by differences of opinion.

543
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Speaker 2: As that's that's what he said. Differences of opinion. That's

544
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,840
what's what that's what he Okay, keep going, difference of opinion,

545
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,639
all right. Let me give the people Russians were sent

546
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,360
to Gulag because there was a difference of opinion.

547
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,639
Speaker 1: As for its immediate cause, it resides in the outrage

548
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,280
of national sentiment caused by the revolutionary manifestations to which

549
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,159
the Jewish Jewish youth had taken an active part. The

550
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,519
working class imputed to the Jews only the responsibility for

551
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,519
the blasphemes uttered against what was most sacred to them.

552
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,320
They could not understand, after the grace granted by the Emperor,

553
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,760
the very existence of the revolutionary movement, and explained it

554
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,239
by the desire of the Jews to obtain their own liberties.

555
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,760
The flip side of the war, in which Jewish youth

556
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,719
had always openly express its deepest satisfaction, its refusal to

557
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,079
fulfill its military obligations, its participation in the revolutionary movement,

558
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,920
acts of violence and killings of agents of the state,

559
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,360
its insulting attitude towards the armed forces. All this incontestably

560
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,239
provoked exasperation towards the Jews among the working class. And

561
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,840
this is why in Kiev there have been several cases

562
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,440
where many Russians gave open shelter to unfortunate Jews who

563
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,000
fled from the violence, but categorically refused Jewish youth.

564
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,159
Speaker 2: That's very important. It shows that Russians in the cities

565
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,440
were aware of the distinction between Jews were kind of

566
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,400
normal and young revolutionaries. They're clearly making a distinction. I've

567
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,639
read a lot about that too, and I would have

568
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,000
done the same thing. If you have someone who's not involved,

569
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:01,440
a decent one and Jew, you don't want them to

570
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,440
be hurt. But these young people who are are involved,

571
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,480
and that was a very specific way that they dressed.

572
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:11,440
They loved the sunglasses that had that purple tint to them.

573
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,639
That was like the revolutionary fashion at the time. They

574
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:21,000
were very easy to pick out. You know, uh, they're

575
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,320
they're clearly making a distinction. And this this paragraph here,

576
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,119
other than the difference of opinion thing, you know, what's

577
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,119
laid out after it shows you that it's not a

578
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:35,320
difference of opinion. This is about stopping a violent and

579
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:41,159
yet pampered revolutionary group, especially from young people who want

580
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,719
Russians dead, who want this czar dead. It shows you

581
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,039
how popular the monarchy was. The economy was doing well

582
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,920
other than the Jews. Society was fairly healthy. Trade was

583
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,480
was very brisk in Kiev at the time, money was

584
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,039
being made. It's only Jewish neurosis that led to any

585
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:06,880
revolutionary movement whatsoever. And this is after Zar Nicholas granted

586
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,159
the Duma. But they took that as a sign of

587
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:14,400
weakness and they created their own riot. They created a

588
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,119
riot because the monarchy gave them sort of what they wanted.

589
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,440
You know, who are these people? You know, that's that's

590
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:27,000
that's what would cause is exasperation and frustration. We've been

591
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,440
talking about it since we started this. No one can

592
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,960
blame them. So here you have situations where they're making

593
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,760
the distant official to be seen and making a distinction

594
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:42,480
between the writes and antomadus, which is very important, targeting

595
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:47,840
specific places rather than others, and now giving shelter to

596
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,639
those who were not involved, maybe old people, maybe younger,

597
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,079
but youth people in the twenties or thirties, maybe they

598
00:37:55,079 --> 00:38:00,000
were recognized as as violent agitators. They're making diffinite distains.

599
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,000
This isn't typical of a riot. This is very different.

600
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,920
Rioters don't seem to care. But in this case, this

601
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:14,559
was a very specific, directed battle against Jewish communists, and

602
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:18,159
all of these Jewish Communists wanted these Russians dead, including

603
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,639
the Russians who gave shelter to the innocent ones.

604
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: As for the newspaper, The Kievian, it wrote, poor Jews,

605
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,920
where is the faults of these thousands of families for

606
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,440
their misfortune? These poor Jews coundnot control their brainless youngsters.

607
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,679
But brainless youngsters are also among us the Russians, and

608
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,639
we could not control them either. The revolutionary you'd scoured

609
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,559
the countryside, but it was the peaceful adult Jews who

610
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,480
had to pay the piper. Thus, on both sides we

611
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:54,320
have dug a bottomless abyss. As for the Odessa program,

612
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,480
we have a similar and equally detailed report that of

613
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:02,039
Senator Kozminsky. In Odessa, where a lively revolutionary sentiment had

614
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:06,480
always existed, The tremors had started since January. The blast

615
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:10,000
took place on the thirteenth of June, independently thereof the

616
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,119
arrival of the Potemkin battleship in the harbor of Odessa

617
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,199
on the fourteenth. The entire day of the fourteenth of

618
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June passed in turmoil, especially amongst a young but this

619
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,000
time also among the workers, whose numerous crowds began to

620
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:27,199
impose by force the cessation of work in plants and factories.

621
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,039
A crowd of about three hundred people attempted to break

622
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,840
into a tea parlor. Several shots were fired at the

623
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,800
head of the local police station, who was preventing the

624
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,320
crowd from entering, but the latter was dispersed by a

625
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,400
salvo shot by a detachment of policemen. However, the crowd

626
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,039
soon reformed and proceeded to the police station. Some shots

627
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,079
were fired from the dunk's house from the windows in

628
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:52,800
the balcony. Several shots were fired at the police officers.

629
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,159
Another group erected a barricade with building material in the

630
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,199
street and then began shooting at a police detachment. In

631
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,559
another street, A crowd of the same kind overturned several

632
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:06,039
tramway wagons and horses. A fairly large group of Jews

633
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,559
broke into a tin factory through tobacco in the eyes

634
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,199
of a police officer, scattered at the appearance of a

635
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:15,840
police detachment while opening fire with revolvers. Among them, four

636
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,320
Jews were arrested on the spot. At a crossroads, a

637
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,119
gathering of Jews formed, two of them fired revolvers, shots

638
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:27,079
and a mounted guard. In general, throughout the day of

639
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,119
June fourteenth, almost all the streets of the city were

640
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,280
the scenes of clashes between Jews and the security forces,

641
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:37,719
during which they used firearms and projectiles, wounding several police officers.

642
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,280
A dozen Jews were also wounded, which the crowd took

643
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,880
to hide, which the crowd took to hide them. As

644
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,280
he tried to escape, A certain Sipken through a bomb,

645
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,360
causing his own death as well as that of the

646
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,679
police officer. Pavlovski.

647
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Speaker 2: Well, I should note Odessa then and up until fairly recently,

648
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Odessa is the capital of Ukrainian Jewry. It's the largest percentage.

649
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,039
I think it may even be half, maybe it's a

650
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,519
little less. Of the population were Jews. It was a

651
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,079
you know, they took over everything. It was difficult for

652
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:22,639
a Russian to live there. The red flag went up

653
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:27,000
over to me. The mayor was a revolutionary and before

654
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
the before the civil war even started, the red flag

655
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:36,639
was hoisted above above their their capital. They were violent revolutionaries.

656
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,639
There could be no such thing as a pogram where

657
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:45,119
you have armed detachments of Jewish revolutionaries, a fairly small

658
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:50,440
police force. And this is a one time. You know,

659
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,519
where's the mob there? There has to be uh a

660
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,639
popular participation here. The cops can't do everything. There weren't

661
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,800
that many of them, and the Jews stop at nothing

662
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:02,960
to kill as many of these William as they can.

663
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,239
This is this is a little different, not much, a

664
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,480
little different from from Kiev. Odessa was the Jewish was

665
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:12,599
the Jewish capital of Ukraine.

666
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: It was at this time that the Potempkin entered the

667
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,559
Odessa harbor, a crowded nearly five thousand people assembled. Many

668
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:24,000
men and women gave speeches calling the people for an

669
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,199
uprising against the government. Among the students who got aboard

670
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,400
the battleship were Constantin Feldman, who urged to support the

671
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,639
movement in town by canon canoning it. But the majority

672
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:40,639
of the crew opposed it, and the authorities in all this,

673
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,599
the governor of Odessa, in other words, the head of

674
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:48,079
the police, Nudehart was already completely distraught on the day

675
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,760
of the arrival of the Potempkin He felt, as in Kiev,

676
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,119
that civil the civil authorities were unable to restore order.

677
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And this is why, and that is why he handed

678
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,960
over all subsequent decisions aimed at the cessation of disorder

679
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,239
to the military command, that is to say, the commander

680
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:09,320
of the Odessa the Odessa Garrison, General Kakanov. Did there

681
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,960
exist a superior authority to that one in Odessa, Yes,

682
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:20,159
of course, and it was Governor General Karazov, who, as

683
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,760
the reader will have guessed, was acting on a temporary

684
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,000
basis and felt hardly at ease. General Kazanov found nothing

685
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,639
better than to have the port sealed by the army

686
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,800
and to enclose the thousands of unsafe elements who had

687
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,280
gathered there, to cut them off, not yet contaminated, from

688
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,400
the city. On June fifteenth, the uprising in Odessa and

689
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,119
the Potempkin mutiny collapsed into one movement. The inhabitants of

690
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,719
the city, among whom many students and workers, boarded the battleship,

691
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,000
exhorting the crew to common actions. The crowd in the

692
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,360
harbor rushed to plunder the goods that were stored there,

693
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,519
beginning with boxes of wine, then stormed the warehouses, to

694
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,599
which it's at fire more than eight million rubles of losses.

695
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,599
The fire threatened the quarantine port, where foreign vessels were

696
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,920
anchored and import goods were stored. Kakanoff still could not

697
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,159
resolve to put an end to the disorder by force,

698
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,280
fearing that the Potempkin would reply by bombarding the city.

699
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,800
The situation remained equally explosive on the fifteenth. The next day,

700
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,079
the Potempkin drew five salvos on the town, three of

701
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,679
them blank, and called on the commander of the armed

702
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,599
forces to board the ship to demand the withdrawal of

703
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,559
the troops from the city and to release all the

704
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,320
political prisoners. On the same day, June sixteenth, at the

705
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,039
funeral of the only sailor killed, scarcely had the procession

706
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,920
entered the town than it was joined by all kinds

707
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,559
of individuals, who soon performed a crowd of several thousand persons,

708
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principally young Jews and on the grave and orator, after

709
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shouting down with the autocracy, called on his comrades to

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act with determination, without fear of the police.

711
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Speaker 2: You know how bad a riot has to be, you know,

712
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how out of control civic unrest has to be for

713
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you to ask battleship to fire on the city Odessa,

714
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being in kind of city it was. These are armed, trained,

715
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semi trained, young revolutionaries, ideologically motivated, extremely violent. The police

716
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were overwhelmed from from day one. The only way you

717
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could do anything is by shooting them. But you know,

718
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there were no political prisoners in Czaris, Russia. There were

719
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violent revolutionaries, very sick people who were imprisoned, and those

720
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who helped them, they weren't political prisoners. That only happens

721
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in the EU and the Soviet Union. You didn't have

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that in Russia in nineteen oh five.

723
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Speaker 1: By that very day and for a long time, the

724
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state of siege was proclaimed in the city. The Potempkin

725
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had to take off to escape the squadron that had

726
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come to capture it. And although the four days it

727
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had been anchored in the port Odessa and to many

728
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contacts which had been established between the people and had

729
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substantially raised a morale of revolutionaries and gave rise to

730
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the hope of a possible future support of the armed forces.

731
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Despite of that summer, Despite of that, the summer was

732
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going to end calmly, perhaps even no upset which had

733
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occurred in Odessa, if on the twenty seventh of August

734
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had been promulgated the incomparable Law on the Autonomy of

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Higher education institutions. Immediately a Soviet coalition was formed by

736
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the students, which, by the determination and audacity, succeeded in

737
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bringing under its influence not only the student community but

738
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also the teaching force. Professors feared unpleasant confrontations with the students,

739
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such as the Boycotta classes, the ec bulsion of such

740
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and such professor from the Amphi, etc. Large gatherings took

741
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place at the university, fundraising to arm the workers in

742
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the proletariat for the military insurrection, for the purchase of

743
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weapons with a view to forming militias and self defense groups.

744
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Discussions were held about the course of actions to be

745
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taken at the time of the insurrection. At these meetings,

746
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the faculty of professors took an active part, sometimes with

747
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with the Rector Zanchewski at its head, who promised to

748
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make available to the students all the means at their

749
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disposal to facilitate their participation in the liberation movement.

750
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Speaker 2: You imagine this complete perversion of the university. The only

751
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,719
reason that they were demanding autonomies so that they could

752
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take them over. These were no longer places of learning.

753
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These became armed camps of the revolutionary They were able

754
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to take over a battleship. And that which suggests it

755
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:12,960
implies that there were huge numbers, very well armed revolutionaries,

756
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,159
overwhelmingly Jews, because this is the Jewish city in Kiev,

757
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,679
this is the Jewish city of the Russian Empire. These

758
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,639
aren't self defense groups. That's propaganda. They were the aggressors,

759
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:29,679
they were the attackers, and that's you know, the Jews.

760
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,039
This is why they were Jews were kept away from

761
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higher education because they were Jews, because they would they

762
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would do this immediately taking them over and making them

763
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into a fourth and a pillar for the revolution. And

764
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if you were against them, and there were plenty that were,

765
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,719
you were in a lot of trouble. You simply couldn't

766
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,559
teach there anymore, You couldn't go there anymore.

767
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Speaker 1: And edis throughout our history since then, especially in the

768
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United States, whenever any kind of university revolutionary action happens,

769
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,360
it's Jews leading it until they start protesting against Israel.

770
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,440
That's when that's when Jewish, when Jewish elites all of

771
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,519
a sudden become right wing like they have now since

772
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October seventh, and said that in order these universities have

773
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,280
to be stopped and defunded and we have to take

774
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,760
away their endowments. And you know, yeah, that's the big

775
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,639
neo cons.

776
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: Neocons want that. I mean, you have a lot of

777
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,280
fake protests against Israel from Jews who never seemed to

778
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,719
notice Israel's You know, this is this is really nothing

779
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,920
special is what has been doing this since thineteen forty eight.

780
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:49,679
It's only now because it's in the press, which they

781
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:53,719
were not expecting, it became mainstream to attack at least

782
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,679
attack Nen Yahoo and they're trying to localize it just

783
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,000
to him. There were a lot of what I think

784
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,599
are completely fake Jewish organization or we were against this

785
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,280
all along. They don't want to be implicated in it.

786
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,639
Your neo kon Jews again, another Jewish movement. They're not

787
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,639
right wing by any means, but they become right wing

788
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,360
only when they're seeing their sacred cow's gord on campus.

789
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:19,519
All of a sudden, now they want law and order.

790
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,440
You know, they have no they have no principles, and

791
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you really can't take them seriously when they when they

792
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,480
know they don't believe in, you know, freedom of expression.

793
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,719
Well when it comes to pornography, yes, they love freedom,

794
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,920
freedom of expression, as if that's what the First Amendment

795
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,960
was about. But when we start talking, all of a sudden,

796
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,159
it doesn't matter anymore. They have no principles. This is

797
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:49,760
about power, this is about control. The Jews created this

798
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,679
whole notion of a revolutionary university here. They turned them

799
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:54,519
into armed camps.

800
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Speaker 1: And remember we must remember our history too, that prior

801
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to nineteen sixty seven. In nineteen sixty eight, Jews, Jews

802
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:08,800
and Blacks work side by side of Jews, basically using

803
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,159
blacks as a battering ram against white America until Blacks

804
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,719
decided that part of their revolutionary movement was going to

805
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,639
be pro Palestine, and then they were They were immediately

806
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:26,320
cut off in nineteen sixty eight. In nineteen sixty.

807
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Speaker 2: Eight, svartzes, now it's true.

808
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Speaker 1: On the seventeenth September, the first meeting at the university

809
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,760
took place in the presence of an outside public so

810
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
numerous that it had to be split into two groups,

811
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,960
the sr Tepper and two Jewish students made speeches calling

812
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,960
on the public to lead the struggle to free the

813
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,440
country from political oppression and a deleterious autocracy. On the

814
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,679
thirtieth of October, the state of siege was lifted in

815
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Odessa and henceforth rush to these meetings students of all

816
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:03,039
educationational establishments, some of whom were not more than fourteen

817
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,519
years old. The Jews were the principal orators calling for

818
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,679
open insurrection and arms struggle.

819
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 2: Political oppression are they talking about? What are they talking about?

820
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,559
That was no censorship as are was very far away.

821
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:22,000
He had no direct relevance to their lives, their their

822
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,400
movement unless they got violent, occurred without interruption. They were

823
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,559
a wealthy group of people. All of these kids came

824
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,280
from the upper classes. Jewish revolutionaries were all from almost

825
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,679
all from the upper classes. What oppressure are they talking about?

826
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,639
We spent a lot of time talking about how difficult

827
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:42,320
it is for Saint Petersburg to enforce laws far away,

828
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,360
and it was an issue because all politics was local

829
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,320
in the rosst Empire. What political oppression are they talking about?

830
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,119
The only thing that they could be talking about is

831
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:57,719
that the Goiam are running the country and the chief

832
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,760
boys are Nicholas exists. That's what has to be destroyed

833
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,119
so our friends can take over their very existence. Is

834
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what oppression meant to them.

835
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Speaker 1: I think we're going to end it right there and

836
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we'll pick up on the next episode. I wanted to mention,

837
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have you ever watched the nineteen twenty six Soviet movie

838
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Battleship Potempkin.

839
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Speaker 2: I have not, but I have heard about it.

840
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Speaker 1: You must watch it, you must. I actually found it

841
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,000
on Amazon Prime when I watched it like six seven

842
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:42,360
years ago. It basically blames it blames all of the Odessa,

843
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:49,519
what happened in Odessa on the Bizarre and the Cossacks,

844
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,920
and no mention of Jews, except for one person who

845
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:01,480
just randomly just screams kill the Jews, and then that yeah,

846
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:03,760
no way is yeah, and that person is just like

847
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,960
shut that person shut down. So the he shouted down

848
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,639
and beaten by the people, and yeah, it's it is

849
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,719
an amazing piece of propaganda to watch. If you get

850
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,320
a chance to watch it, definitely watch it. It's called

851
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for everyone listening. It's called Battleship Potempkin nineteen twenty six,

852
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directed by Sergei Eisenstein.

853
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he was a big name. The last

854
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,320
Soviet made movie I watched was Alexander Nevsky, which actually

855
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,440
wasn't bad because of course this is you know, the

856
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,960
Middle Ages, except there was no The Orthodox Church wasn't present,

857
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,719
which is absurd, and what little Orthodox presence there was

858
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,599
was negative, even though he was fighting for them. It

859
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,639
was kind of absurd to do that. But otherwise it

860
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,920
wasn't a bad movie. They didn't have that. They had

861
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,599
a pretty good It was all propaganda and nonsense, but

862
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:03,239
they're actors and actresses were were very solid. Now, the

863
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,360
Battleship Attemption is a is a famous movie. It's been

864
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,119
remade a million times. And now that you mentioned it,

865
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:10,960
I guess I have to I have to watch it

866
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,280
again or watch it for the first time. I may

867
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,039
have watched it before, but it was it must have

868
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,719
been a million years ago. But Eisenstein was one of

869
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,800
the biggest names in that in that universe.

870
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very good, A very good piece of propaganda.

871
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: Good.

872
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well it's one of those ones that if

873
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,480
you're studying, if you're in the process of studying, Berne's

874
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,199
is one of those ones that you definitely want to

875
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,559
watch because the if you know what really happened, and

876
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,719
then you watch this and you're like, oh, this just

877
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,239
makes perfect sense when you know who made it, and

878
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,559
when you know who's in charge in Russia at the time,

879
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,280
you know, in the Soviet Union at the time.

880
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Speaker 2: Right of course, And and it's really more or less

881
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,639
the same as far as movies today, they just have

882
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,159
a lot better special effects.

883
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, we'll pick up on episode

884
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:03,159
forty one in a couple of days. As always, go

885
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,760
to the show notes, go to the notes in the videos,

886
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:12,400
and support doctor Johnson's work. Make sure that he can

887
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,199
keep providing and studying and providing us with this information.

888
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,639
Because I have not heard a negative about this so far.

889
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,719
As a matter of fact, everyone who's listening to this

890
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,440
and even people who people are contacting me privately to say, wow,

891
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:34,400
this is this is something I you're not going to

892
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,400
find anywhere else. So I appreciate it. I think this

893
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,239
is special and that I owe it all to you.

894
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,280
Thank you, doctor Johnson.

895
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Speaker 2: Oh, I absolutely agree. And you know, not everyone can

896
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,119
do what we do. Not everyone could be out in

897
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,599
the streets like I used to be, even though I

898
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:59,119
did lead a normal life. But by supporting us financially.

899
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Speaker 1: U.

900
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Speaker 2: That's how you now can get involved. That's your contribution,

901
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,559
that's your statement, uh to the world. Not everyone could,

902
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,920
could you know, be you know a writer or analyst

903
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,519
or an activist. Some people are just not in that position.

904
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But by supporting those who can, you're just as much

905
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a part of it as we are.

906
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Thank you. So I'll see in a

907
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:29,480
couple of days, all right, my friend, Bye bye h