Speaker 1: Care. Yes, remember when we thought that enlightenment just meant
Speaker 1: drinking green juice and meditating until your leg fell asleep.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I kind of didn't think that, but yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Right, I thought ever already thought that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, it turns out that we were thinking way too small.
Speaker 1: Today's guest doesn't just talk about raising consciousness. She changes
Speaker 1: people at the cellular level. Ooh ah, we're talking about
Speaker 1: someone who can literally transform living organisms at the cellular.
Speaker 2: Level, so your leg won't fall asleep.
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that. That's a good point. I
Speaker 1: got to ask for it. But she also transforms non
Speaker 1: living materials at the atomic level. Oh yeah, I'm talking
Speaker 1: like I just changed the structure of matter with my
Speaker 1: mind kind of stuff. Wow, interesting stuff, right. She's been
Speaker 1: studied more than your browser history with a lot less judgment.
Speaker 4: Boy, with over six hundred and sixty peer reviewed studies
Speaker 4: that show her divine blessings can spark real changes in health, happiness, and.
Speaker 1: Even blood chemistry. Oh, get ready for the conversation that
Speaker 1: might just flip your understanding of consciousness and your mitochondria
Speaker 1: on its blissful little head. So if you ever wondered
Speaker 1: what happens when you mix quantum mechanics, a spiritual master
Speaker 1: and a lab coat. Will get ready because this might
Speaker 1: be the first episode where listening could accidentally evolve. Oh DNA,
Speaker 1: let's go meet that woman who's turning in skeptics to
Speaker 1: spreadsheets and blowing the minds of scientists and souls are
Speaker 1: like one atom at a time. This is a Skeptic Metaphysicians.
Speaker 1: My name is Will, and I'mars, And unlike Boulder and Scully.
Speaker 2: Both want to believe.
Speaker 1: So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.
Speaker 2: We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
Speaker 2: metaphysical world.
Speaker 1: We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
Speaker 1: joined a coven of witches.
Speaker 2: And wait, you joined a coven yep.
Speaker 1: All on the interest of finding something, anything that will
Speaker 1: prove that there's something beyond this physical.
Speaker 2: Three dimensional world.
Speaker 1: We all this is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hey there, I'm Will.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another cellular, moving, transformational episode of the
Speaker 1: Skeptic Metaphysicians. Who today's guest is Darren Trevetti, an enlightened
Speaker 1: master and internationally recognized spiritual leader who brings together science, consciousness,
Speaker 1: and the divine in a way the view ever have
Speaker 1: I didn't have enough hands not to use the hope not.
Speaker 1: I should have checked that before I did that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she serves as a guide and force a Divine Connection International,
Speaker 1: a nonprofit on a mission to improve the human condition
Speaker 1: through scientifically validated divine blessings. Is this right up my alley?
Speaker 3: Or what?
Speaker 1: Alongside her husband and Guru Grugie Mahindra Trevetti And I
Speaker 1: know I just butchered that name, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: She's spearheaded over six thousand scientific experiments, resulting in more
Speaker 1: than six hundred and seventy peer reviewed publications, recognized by
Speaker 1: top institutions like Harvard, MIT and Oxford.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, Darren's powerful divine blessings have reportedly helped thousands of
Speaker 1: people optimize their lives, improve well being, and reach new
Speaker 1: levels of joy and purpose. And whether she's speaking at
Speaker 1: Nasdaq or being featured on major media platforms, she brings
Speaker 1: irradiant clarity, humor, and a multi dimensional view of human
Speaker 1: potential defies categorization. No more talking. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Darren Trevetti. How are you doing.
Speaker 3: Today, I'm doing wonderful. It's hard to follow that introduction.
Speaker 2: Is excited about being optimized.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot to unpack in what you do.
Speaker 1: But let's set the table first and foremost. Consciousness. That
Speaker 1: word has been thrown around like cotton candy all over
Speaker 1: the place these days. Right, Can you help us to
Speaker 1: wrap our heads around so we can set the conversation
Speaker 1: on the right path. What is consciousness? Exactly?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Well? A lot of spiritual leaders and a lot
Speaker 3: of transformational leaders these days. You have like people like
Speaker 3: Deepak Chopper and everybody who's talking about consciousness as a
Speaker 3: fundamental reality of existence. And it's discussed in a way
Speaker 3: that scientists, for example, believe consciousness is a byproduct of
Speaker 3: the brain. Right, and then you have this spiritual side,
Speaker 3: you know, that involves these transformational leaders and spiritual gurus
Speaker 3: and everybody who suggests that consciousness is actually you know,
Speaker 3: supersedes the mind, supersedes the brain. It's something by which
Speaker 3: everything else is derived from. Right. So it's that you
Speaker 3: could say that transcendental reality that all of us are
Speaker 3: a part of. Right. It encompasses everything, it pervades everything,
Speaker 3: it's a part of everything. And at the same time
Speaker 3: it controls and governs everything. Now, unfortunately, there's been a
Speaker 3: lot of talk about consciousness. There's been a lot of
Speaker 3: theory and philosophy, but there hasn't been a lot of
Speaker 3: proof regarding it. Right, That's why it's still very theoretical.
Speaker 3: You have Max Plank, you know, quantum physicists who's like
Speaker 3: the father of quantum physics, who said that, you know,
Speaker 3: he considers consciousness as fundamental, right, and then the mind
Speaker 3: and everything is derived from that plane of existence. So
Speaker 3: for the first time, that's what we're doing, is we're
Speaker 3: taking consciousness and we're putting it into a laboratory. We're
Speaker 3: actually measuring it objectively through real data for the first time,
Speaker 3: i'd say, and not just like you know those quantum
Speaker 3: experiments where it's about you know, observing, and we're actually
Speaker 3: doing hardcore objective data where we're measuring things like materials,
Speaker 3: we're measuring agriculture, we're measuring you know, human parameters like
Speaker 3: neurotransmitters and hormones. We're taking it clinically, right, We've actually
Speaker 3: taken something that has been so hard to pin down
Speaker 3: and measure for so long. And I'd say, for the
Speaker 3: first time we're able to objectively pin it down and
Speaker 3: show that it's actually something that has the power to
Speaker 3: change our lives and the source of our lives itself.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is exciting r How yeah, this is exciting,
Speaker 1: right because you're talking my language in such a major way.
Speaker 1: But every conversation that talks about science and metaphysics together
Speaker 1: woefully fall short because science, right that the whole thing
Speaker 1: about science is is you need to be able to
Speaker 1: get measurable results in a repeated fashion, right, you have
Speaker 1: to be able to repeat it. So metaphysics, that's a
Speaker 1: tough n to crack, right, It's hard to measure something.
Speaker 1: Measurable and repeatable results is what you have to get
Speaker 1: for science. So how are is it that you are
Speaker 1: taking this concept, which is consciousness is a metaphysical concept, right,
Speaker 1: even though it is the underlying we believe, the underlying
Speaker 1: thing of everything. So how can science measure and repeat
Speaker 1: the results that gives you such a positive affirmation that yes,
Speaker 1: this is legit?
Speaker 2: Or like I said, how.
Speaker 3: So when we're talking about consciousness, right, for so long
Speaker 3: it's been limited to subjective experience, right, which is why
Speaker 3: you know, science dismisses it because subjective experience. Right, that's
Speaker 3: in the realm of psychology and placebo. Right. So we
Speaker 3: have a lot of testimonials even you know, our organization
Speaker 3: has a huge, vast number of testimonials from people claiming
Speaker 3: extraordinary outcomes. But what we're actually doing, right, So we're
Speaker 3: taking the power of consciousness. But what we see consciousness does,
Speaker 3: if we understand it as like that fundamental reality, right,
Speaker 3: we can also see it as kind of like a
Speaker 3: force that program's existence into being. Right. So it controls
Speaker 3: and operates your mind, It controls and operates your life.
Speaker 3: It tells you know what a material will become, the
Speaker 3: destiny of an atom, the destiny of a molecule, and
Speaker 3: of a cell. Right, you even get to like the
Speaker 3: cellular composition of our bodies right as newborns or even
Speaker 3: before then, Right, every cell is the same. But somehow
Speaker 3: there's a destiny that programs a cell and tells what
Speaker 3: a cell will evolve and become and turn into. Right,
Speaker 3: And that's something that science doesn't know. What tells the
Speaker 3: cell what it will eventually become, But somehow the cell
Speaker 3: has that inherent knowledge. It's similarly we see that in
Speaker 3: materials right, where we see certain materials. Right. That's the
Speaker 3: whole periodic table of elements is that materials have a
Speaker 3: very specific set of you know, characteristics and behaviors, and
Speaker 3: that is programmed in the atom itself and the composition
Speaker 3: of those molecular structures. And that is not something science
Speaker 3: has not found a way to change the atom. Right.
Speaker 3: Science has found with a huge amount of energy, we
Speaker 3: can destroy the atom. We can create atomic bombs, we
Speaker 3: can create huge amount of you know, cataclysmic events when
Speaker 3: we destroy when we apply huge amount of power. But
Speaker 3: nothing has been able to change or transform an atom
Speaker 3: and make it something different than what it already is.
Speaker 3: So in order to change something that's already existing, right,
Speaker 3: you change the programming of that thing. Then that thing
Speaker 3: changes its character and behavior, it changes its potential. When
Speaker 3: we're talking about human life, when we're looking at you know,
Speaker 3: changing things at the level of consciousness, what do we
Speaker 3: see for human life? We see mental clarity, we see peace,
Speaker 3: we see better quality health, we see better relationships. Right,
Speaker 3: we see all these things are ripple effects of when
Speaker 3: you alter things at the consciousness level, that programming that
Speaker 3: controls your life. Right, And then when you see things
Speaker 3: at the level of agriculture, for example, you see greater vitality,
Speaker 3: you see greater production, you see more yield, more immunity,
Speaker 3: you see more shelf life without the use of any
Speaker 3: of the conventional methods used to you know, produce these things, right,
Speaker 3: without any wet side fungicide, chemical, fertilizer, any chemicals whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Just literally soil, water, air in the sun and then
Speaker 3: this divine energy that can change the consciousness. When you
Speaker 3: see atoms, right, you see the molecular structure change, the
Speaker 3: crystallized size change. You can make the atom bigger, you
Speaker 3: can make it smaller. All of these are measurable. Right,
Speaker 3: we have all the instruments used by NASA to measure
Speaker 3: these changes in these materials, and we're able to actually
Speaker 3: see and measure these changes.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's super cool.
Speaker 2: So you can and I might have misunderstood, but you
Speaker 2: can measure, you can see and quantify the changes the results, yes,
Speaker 2: but not necessarily what's making the changes?
Speaker 1: Well, you make certain assumptions right that the said you put.
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to talk about how these experiments
Speaker 1: went in, Like what was the process that forced these
Speaker 1: things to change? Because in the introduction we talked about
Speaker 1: the fact that you can change things at the atomic level,
Speaker 1: non living things, and then organic things at the cellular level.
Speaker 1: So is it just like thinking good thoughts at it?
Speaker 3: It's a little more complicated than that. If everybody thoughts,
Speaker 3: you know, we could probably do all these things about Oh,
Speaker 3: wouldn't that be great?
Speaker 1: Right, Karen, I'm sorry those plants that that didn't make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with your good thoughts, I
Speaker 1: promise anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: So sure you had the best intention.
Speaker 1: He always does. Okay, So then how is it that
Speaker 1: you are able to affect change in these things?
Speaker 3: So this is where we go into the realm of
Speaker 3: enlightenment that concept. Okay, So enlightenment in a scientific you know,
Speaker 3: kind of realm. We're referring to enlightenment as consciousness that
Speaker 3: has to the consciousness of nature. So nature itself has
Speaker 3: all these natural laws, right, that are kind of binding. Right,
Speaker 3: you see that you cannot bypass these natural laws. And
Speaker 3: some of those natural laws are like you know, the
Speaker 3: laws of gravity, for example, or the laws like you know,
Speaker 3: energy flows from a higher dimension to a lower dimension, right,
Speaker 3: the laws of physics. These are all the laws of nature.
Speaker 3: We could say, right, there's a strict set of parameters,
Speaker 3: and you can't really go outside of those parameters.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You have a certain for example, body temperature. Right, if
Speaker 3: your body goes below that temperature. Above that temperature, you
Speaker 3: enter into a comma. You could die. Right. There are
Speaker 3: many complications when that arises. So nature keeps things in
Speaker 3: order to maintain right, that existence. It keeps things very
Speaker 3: strict and regulated. Now, that's the consciousness of nature, right,
Speaker 3: that's the programming of nature itself. Enlightenment is when consciousness
Speaker 3: of a human, for example, an individual is able to
Speaker 3: transcend beyond the laws of natsnature. And that's when we
Speaker 3: go into the realm of the divine. Right, because what
Speaker 3: is beyond the laws of nature? What program the laws
Speaker 3: of nature? That's where we go into the realm of
Speaker 3: perhaps the creator, a divine force, a divine authority on
Speaker 3: this planet. So enlightened consciousness. You can see the effects
Speaker 3: of enlightened consciousness. When someone's reached that level, then through
Speaker 3: their intention. That's when intention applies through their intention, through
Speaker 3: their you know, desire, we can say, because they are
Speaker 3: connected to that, you know, consciousness of the divine, then
Speaker 3: their intention we just call it prayer. Right. So in
Speaker 3: this regard, when we're doing these experiments, what we're doing
Speaker 3: is we're praying over whatever we want, you know, the
Speaker 3: consciousness to raise. So if for praying over a particular person,
Speaker 3: we're requesting that God, this authority that has the ability
Speaker 3: to change the laws of nature that created nature, so
Speaker 3: can change it. We're requesting that God, you know, uplifts,
Speaker 3: raises the consciousness of the recipient, and as a result
Speaker 3: of raising that consciousness, that recipient has more of the
Speaker 3: grace of God in their life. That recipient is able
Speaker 3: to utilize this higher level of consciousness and live a
Speaker 3: life of greater vitality, of greater wellness of you, all
Speaker 3: these things that you see what happened when you change consciousness.
Speaker 3: So we call it blessing, a prayer, a blessing, whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it. But this comes from enlightened consciousness.
Speaker 1: Right, So, how do you select your subjects? Just asking
Speaker 1: for a friend, how do you select me?
Speaker 2: I mean your subject.
Speaker 1: Pretty much obviously teasing because we are incredibly blessed already.
Speaker 1: But in case you need more subjects, you let us know, right,
Speaker 1: So that sounds amazing, And I know that the work
Speaker 1: that you and your husband are doing. Are is really
Speaker 1: it's probably poised to change mankind honestly if people really
Speaker 1: look at it in that way. I mean to have
Speaker 1: this many peer reviewed studies and not by like Joe's
Speaker 1: garage kind of things. Am I t Oxford, Harvard like
Speaker 1: some of the bigger the big places that are verifying
Speaker 1: these results. What has been their reaction to these results?
Speaker 1: Are they going? You know, there must be something wrong
Speaker 1: because traditionally scientists have had a difficult time with these
Speaker 1: types of things.
Speaker 3: We get so many varied reactions a lot of it. Sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, no matter how much facts and data you
Speaker 3: present to someone, there will always be a certain bias
Speaker 3: that prevents that person from accepting the truth. So when
Speaker 3: my husband first started, right, he's my guru. Right, he's
Speaker 3: a girl from India. So when he first you know,
Speaker 3: went through his own enlightenment, his own awakening, right, he
Speaker 3: was wearing the saffron robes and you know, and all
Speaker 3: of that, he was blessing people, because that's what you
Speaker 3: do in India, right, you take the role of the guru.
Speaker 3: And he's you know, performing that role. And but what
Speaker 3: touches me deeply is his belief he says, one of
Speaker 3: the worst sins you can commit is giving someone false hope.
Speaker 3: And that started him on this, you know, venture of
Speaker 3: determining because he's seeing all these false gurus and all
Speaker 3: these people who take advantage of spirituality and the void
Speaker 3: that science has in regards to authenticating And you know,
Speaker 3: because when science can't get involved in the spiritual you
Speaker 3: see a lot of corruption rises. You see a lot
Speaker 3: of people taking advantage. You see a lot of pseudoscience,
Speaker 3: you see a lot of scams. You see a lot
Speaker 3: of people with good intention, but it's actually damaging and
Speaker 3: hurting people. So he's like, I don't want this to
Speaker 3: be limited to just people's psychologies. Even though he's seeing
Speaker 3: these incredible results, right, And people started coming to him,
Speaker 3: like these major producers, people from the Bollywood industry, politicians,
Speaker 3: and he left all of that. He already had a
Speaker 3: well established you know basis, this great reputation in India
Speaker 3: and all these followers. And yet the same time he
Speaker 3: left all that to pursue scientific validation. He could have
Speaker 3: come to America and just you know, worn the saffron
Speaker 3: robes and spatted some things from the Blahgabad Ghet I say,
Speaker 3: this all the time. If you just know the Vedas
Speaker 3: by any percentage and you, you know, utilize the power
Speaker 3: of psychology, you could have a mass following and a
Speaker 3: lot of people, you know, could give you a lot
Speaker 3: of money, and they could you know, dedicate their lives
Speaker 3: to you just on that alone. And instead he rejected
Speaker 3: all of that, and he actually sought He's a first
Speaker 3: you know, enlightened gurul I've ever seen or met who's
Speaker 3: actually sought all of this rigorous scientific validation all the
Speaker 3: way into material signs. I mean, can you imagine validating
Speaker 3: material signs? Right? Psychology is easy. A lot of the
Speaker 3: parameters that are used are using either very trivial parameters
Speaker 3: that you've seen in a lot of clinical trials that
Speaker 3: are on you know, very small, you know, groups of people.
Speaker 3: It's usually for a very short amount of time. Or
Speaker 3: it's usually measuring very trivial parameters like blood pressure, you know,
Speaker 3: things like that, and over time, you can even associate
Speaker 3: good things with smoking and your blood pressure if you
Speaker 3: do it within a certain period of time. Right, It's
Speaker 3: not a very credible and reputable scientific form of research,
Speaker 3: which is why science has denied it for so long
Speaker 3: and that's the source of all the problems you see today,
Speaker 3: all the problems that are so prevalent among humanity, is
Speaker 3: because we have denied, we have ignored why we're not
Speaker 3: paying attention to this vital part of human life, of
Speaker 3: human existence, of the existence of all of life. Really,
Speaker 3: and when you deny the existence of consciousness and its
Speaker 3: effect on quality of life and its effect on wellbeing,
Speaker 3: you see things mental health crises. You see things like
Speaker 3: chronic inflammation and chronic disease, things that medicine no longer
Speaker 3: is capable of treating. That's where consciousness, we see has
Speaker 3: actually able to target and treat and perform unprecedented outcomes
Speaker 3: in even clinical trials where we have double blind, placible
Speaker 3: controlled you know, randomized clinical trials that exclude all possibility
Speaker 3: of placebo and psychological influence.
Speaker 2: Wow, can you give us an example of one of
Speaker 2: those trials where you just could not doubt the results?
Speaker 3: Yes, one of our most clinical trials. This was conducted
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, and we had a large group of people.
Speaker 3: I think it was close to hover one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one hundred and twenty volunteers. And these are volunteers
Speaker 3: that are completely random, right, it's a placebo controlled. So
Speaker 3: we had three groups. We had the treated group, which
Speaker 3: is the group that received the blessing. We had a
Speaker 3: placebo control, which is a group that you know has
Speaker 3: a sham healer, so someone who's pretending to do a blessing, right.
Speaker 3: And then we have a control group that's not getting
Speaker 3: any treatment whatsoever. Right. And even the investigators don't know
Speaker 3: who's in what group. Everybody has a number, even we
Speaker 3: don't know who's getting the blessing. We're literally like, for example,
Speaker 3: this clinical trial, I'm sitting in Florida, right, and these
Speaker 3: participants are all the way in India right at a
Speaker 3: clinical laboratory, and I don't know who they are. I
Speaker 3: don't know their names. I don't even really know what
Speaker 3: they look like. And we're just told, you know, okay,
Speaker 3: this is the group, and you know, I give the
Speaker 3: blessing to the group. And then after a while we
Speaker 3: have a ninety day period and one hundred eighty day
Speaker 3: period where we measure the results. We measure over one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty blood parameters. So it's not just you know,
Speaker 3: people reporting what they feel the differences, but we actually
Speaker 3: are measuring things like neurotransmitters, hormones are measuring nutrient absorption. Right,
Speaker 3: We're measuring things that most of the time psychological influence
Speaker 3: has no power over or very minimal power over. And
Speaker 3: then on top of that, our most significant research that
Speaker 3: I really want to share with you is something called
Speaker 3: the NIH Toolbox for Cognitive and Motor Function. Now, this
Speaker 3: is something that scientists it's the gold standard for removing
Speaker 3: all subjective data and just getting down to the hard
Speaker 3: you know, facts of them matter. And so this gold
Speaker 3: standard it's been utilized since twenty twelve by all clinicians,
Speaker 3: anybody doing a clinical trial when they're testing a new
Speaker 3: therapure drug, and usually it's just utilized to see if
Speaker 3: there's any negative or adverse effects from treatments. It's never
Speaker 3: been used to measure any positive or beneficial outcomes. It's
Speaker 3: only there to gauge if there's some you know, radical
Speaker 3: change in someone's cognitive behavior and say maybe we shouldn't,
Speaker 3: you know, push for this treatment on the market.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Ours is the first study where we've seen around one
Speaker 3: hundred percent improvement in every single parameter that we've tested
Speaker 3: in the ANH Toolbox of Cognitive and Motor Function.
Speaker 1: Can you repeat that for us please?
Speaker 3: Ours is the first clinical trial that has shown nearly
Speaker 3: one hundred percent improvement in every single tested parameter from
Speaker 3: the NIH toolbox for cognitive and motor function.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what I thought. You said, Wow, that's
Speaker 1: it outrageously, Like, how how is this not mainstream knowledge
Speaker 1: by now?
Speaker 3: Well, we haven't done any marketing. We've literally we've spent
Speaker 3: so much time and so much money. We're talking about
Speaker 3: like millions and millions of dollars and so much time
Speaker 3: and investment because we strongly believe that before marketing, we
Speaker 3: really want to have a substantial basis of scientific fact
Speaker 3: and data to properly tell people like this is what
Speaker 3: the energy is capable of, this is what it can
Speaker 3: do before we properly market it. And we definitely don't
Speaker 3: want to make claims about anything related to human health
Speaker 3: and wellness before we have several clinical trials under our
Speaker 3: under our belt. So that's why we've been waiting.
Speaker 1: You are on the skeptic positions now, so we'll catch up.
Speaker 3: Now we're sharing it with the world. Decades of science
Speaker 3: research being shared now it's just incredible.
Speaker 2: Holy caws.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned something that caught my attention and when
Speaker 1: you said the sham healer. So there is a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations out there about if indeed this is all
Speaker 1: real and works the way you say, and I have
Speaker 1: no reason to doubt whatsoever. But there's a conversation about
Speaker 1: how everyone can heal themselves and raise their own consciousness
Speaker 1: and things like that. Is that feasible or do you
Speaker 1: need someone like your husband or you who are gurus
Speaker 1: who can help to give the blessings? Do you need
Speaker 1: someone to facilitate that?
Speaker 3: So I'll put it this way, It's very possible that
Speaker 3: anybody can raise their consciousness on their own. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that's an impossibility, but I am saying that it's
Speaker 3: very difficult. It's not an easy pass. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like have you ever tried all these tricks and techniques
Speaker 3: that are available out there are intended to raise consciousness,
Speaker 3: to evolve your consciousness. And you see the amount of
Speaker 3: outcomes that are out there, right, you see with the
Speaker 3: amount of you know wellness, you know tricks and practices
Speaker 3: that are out there, and the increasing you know productivity,
Speaker 3: you see, the wellness industry is a trillion dollar industry.
Speaker 3: So you see it's even actually more successful than the
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical industry. That shows you how, you know, financially viable.
Speaker 1: That we're not getting any of that. Baby is wrong here.
Speaker 3: We're on the wrong side.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So you see you right with this void of science
Speaker 3: because all the pseudoscience is now raining rampant, right, there's
Speaker 3: a huge market. But with this huge market and it's growing,
Speaker 3: it's growing rapidly. But then at the same time you're
Speaker 3: seeing another phenomenon where you're seeing mental health problems are
Speaker 3: increasing as well. Yes, so if there is a viable
Speaker 3: solution out there in wellness and all these other you know,
Speaker 3: spiritual you know, techniques, methodologies, practices, tricks, you know that
Speaker 3: are out there, then you would see that maybe this
Speaker 3: number would be increasing. Maybe there would be one solution
Speaker 3: instead of thousands or millions or billions, right, maybe there
Speaker 3: would be something that would legitimately work and they would
Speaker 3: you know, be you know, stick with someone, it would
Speaker 3: really last. And instead, what we're seeing is the exact
Speaker 3: opposite phenomenon now in the same way, right, we know
Speaker 3: how difficult it is to change a habit, We know
Speaker 3: how difficult it is to change things at the brain
Speaker 3: and body level, and science knows this difficulty. Science still
Speaker 3: can't comprehend and understand exactly what the brain is or
Speaker 3: what the mind is. It still cannot map out one
Speaker 3: human brain. It's still incapable of doing that. With all
Speaker 3: the most sophisticated supercomputers all working together, it still can't
Speaker 3: map out one human brain. So this is science is
Speaker 3: a problem that science knows it has, right. And at
Speaker 3: the same time, all that science can really do is treat,
Speaker 3: you know, things on a chemical level within the brain
Speaker 3: or a structural level within the body. Right, it's trying
Speaker 3: all these different things, and we see that this is
Speaker 3: like a bad you're taking medication, you're taking a lot
Speaker 3: of these supplements or a lot of these things, and
Speaker 3: you don't actually see a resolution of the root cause.
Speaker 1: Right. So it's almost like Western medicine, which is just
Speaker 1: treating the symptoms and not the cause. They just give
Speaker 1: you another pill and you know, call me in the
Speaker 1: morning kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Hi, we've been doing this show for a few
Speaker 2: years now. We've spoken to hundreds of different people in
Speaker 2: all sorts of different modalities, and you're giving us a
Speaker 2: very scientific kind of overview or take on this which
Speaker 2: is fantastic. How does that work along with the people
Speaker 2: that are channelers and see angels and doctor dead people.
Speaker 2: Is this something different? Is this same realm? Is this
Speaker 2: something that can awaken that.
Speaker 3: Would say, I would say this is something that's vastly
Speaker 3: different from that. Okay, that's a misconception. A lot of
Speaker 3: people get from us, is like that's you know, when
Speaker 3: you're talking about what kind of actions do I get?
Speaker 3: That's one of the reactions is like, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I do Ricky, or I have a reiki master in
Speaker 3: my life, or you know, they put you in the
Speaker 3: same category as those other things. But what sets us apart,
Speaker 3: what makes what we're doing different is the data right right,
Speaker 3: is how significant the data is. It's showing you that
Speaker 3: this is something that is uniquely different in the outcome
Speaker 3: that we're able to deliver, even just scientifically, but also
Speaker 3: with all these testimonials we have from people. And so
Speaker 3: when we get into the realm of consciousness, right, what
Speaker 3: science is doing, it's treating things at the brain and
Speaker 3: body level. But when we understand that consciousness is a
Speaker 3: fundamental reality, then we understand we need to change things
Speaker 3: at the consciousness level. There's no drug, there's no therapy,
Speaker 3: there's no trick or technique that can influence consciousness. It's
Speaker 3: the other way around. Consciousness can give you the most
Speaker 3: out of whatever practice, trick, or technique you're using, but
Speaker 3: the tricks and techniques themselves cannot give you more consciousness.
Speaker 3: They cannot do more for your consciousness. It's the exact opposite.
Speaker 3: And science has seen that same concept as energy flowing
Speaker 3: from a higher dimension to a lower dimension. And so
Speaker 3: I'll give an example on why I insist that this
Speaker 3: is something that's very hard to do through tricks and techniques.
Speaker 3: If you see all of our data, right, everything we've
Speaker 3: done six thousand science experiments. Right, We've done it in
Speaker 3: life sciences, material sciences, human health, clinical trials. Right, We've
Speaker 3: done it on plants, agriculture, materials, metal, ceramics, polymers, and chemicals.
Speaker 3: How many of these things use tricks and techniques or
Speaker 3: practices to raise their consciousness?
Speaker 1: Zero?
Speaker 3: None of them. None of them have the influence of psychology,
Speaker 3: and none of them have even necessarily a mind that
Speaker 3: we can understand where they can utilize a practice or
Speaker 3: technique to raise its consciousness and crank these fundamental changes
Speaker 3: at the level of consciousness that can raise its productivity,
Speaker 3: raise its efficiency, raise its benefits, its potential. All of
Speaker 3: these things can change. But there's no trick or technique
Speaker 3: applied these people in this clinical trial. Right, they're experiencing
Speaker 3: things like closo protein. Have you heard of the closo protein?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 1: I have not either.
Speaker 3: So the clothoprotein is the best we can do to
Speaker 3: measure anti aging results.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So the more lengths of CLOTHO you have, or the
Speaker 3: more CLOTHO you have, right, you can say, the more
Speaker 3: vitality you have, right, the more longevity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So it's like the anti aging protein. So we use
Speaker 3: it and you know blood parameters to measure you know,
Speaker 3: how useful you are essentially or how much anti aging
Speaker 3: has an effect.
Speaker 1: Right, Which is why I never had anyone measure mind because.
Speaker 3: Out of concern.
Speaker 1: Yes it's very big concern. But anyway, please proceed.
Speaker 3: So science, even with al therapies and drunks, with the
Speaker 3: best courses of action available, right, with the most you know,
Speaker 3: validated approaches that science has come across. Right, with any
Speaker 3: trick or drug that we have, we've been able to
Speaker 3: increase CLOTHO by marginal percentages marginal Right in our clinical trial,
Speaker 3: we've seen CLOTHO increase by over six hundred percent. Wow,
Speaker 3: that is not possible with psychology. That is not possible
Speaker 3: with placebo. That's not even possible with conventional therapies and drugs.
Speaker 1: So I need to wrap my head around this a
Speaker 1: little bit because you're starting to blow my mind. So
Speaker 1: this is just praying over somebody.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you an idea of how this can
Speaker 3: work for somebody who maybe doesn't have an enlightened teacher
Speaker 3: in their life. You know that connection, right, that's the
Speaker 3: easy I like to say, that's the easy and fast path.
Speaker 3: That's what helped me on my path is I actually
Speaker 3: had this awakening through my husband, who is my guru, right,
Speaker 3: and so within a year after marrying him, I went
Speaker 3: through my own enlightenment in twenty twelve. And that's how
Speaker 3: I've been able to also, you know, do these blessings
Speaker 3: that I'm also scientifically validating and now I'm his partner
Speaker 3: in this mission to you know, prove the existence of
Speaker 3: God and the power of that consciousness has over our lives,
Speaker 3: so and then also use it to actually change lives.
Speaker 3: We're not just theoretically talking about it. We're actually implementing it.
Speaker 3: That's why we're focusing on producing you know, quality food
Speaker 3: without harmful toxins and chemicals. We're actually trying to revolutionize
Speaker 3: the agriculture industry. We're actually trying to create products and
Speaker 3: things available for people. We have our own membership programs, right,
Speaker 3: We're actually trying to implement and utilize this to transform
Speaker 3: human life, the life on this planet, and address our
Speaker 3: most pressing problems we see today. So, and that's what
Speaker 3: you know, all of the memberships and everything are for
Speaker 3: funding all the scientific research through our nonprofit organization. So,
Speaker 3: but it's you know, a very expensive endeavor.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine. So quick question back about this
Speaker 2: anti aging situation?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, will it? Sorry, I get a little drouned,
Speaker 3: I get so.
Speaker 1: She's a one track mine kind of Will it reverse
Speaker 1: aging or will it just slow it down?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So sorry, I don't will it?
Speaker 2: Will it reverse aging or will it just slow it down?
Speaker 3: We've seen reverse sort of aging.
Speaker 1: Oh I've lost her, I've lost her.
Speaker 2: Will it? Will it reverse aging or will it just
Speaker 2: slow it down?
Speaker 3: We've seen reverse sort of aging.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've lost her, I've lost her.
Speaker 3: I'll give you an idea, right, So, for some people. Right,
Speaker 3: we see like cartilage. Right, there's a phenomena where cartilage
Speaker 3: starts to fuse at puberty. Right, we don't see growing
Speaker 3: cartilage after puberty. Growing cartilage right as you're between your joints.
Speaker 3: That is the lubrication. It helps you know your the
Speaker 3: longevity of your joints, your mobility. Right, It's that's anti aging.
Speaker 3: If you can grow an increased cartilage, that's anti aging. Right,
Speaker 3: that's reversal of aging.
Speaker 1: Actually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we've seen in so many people who
Speaker 3: receive this blessing, they actually start getting grown cartilage again.
Speaker 1: Okay, we got to talk.
Speaker 2: These are really loud.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about my neck for my migrantes. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I've got spinal stenosis, and that means that the cartilage
Speaker 1: has worn out and my discs are actually rubbing against
Speaker 1: each other, which causes neck stiffness and then triggers migraines.
Speaker 1: For me, I could use some new cartilage.
Speaker 3: You I think you too. I'm in agreement, I think, and.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you might know. Guy, you know, is.
Speaker 3: There's something that could help with that absolutely? Like can you.
Speaker 2: Target praying in certain areas or is it just like
Speaker 2: an all over yah, I'm just I have so many questions.
Speaker 3: So when you're raising consciousness, it's you can also see
Speaker 3: it as was through our prayer. Through this blessing, all
Speaker 3: we're doing is connecting you to the God of your understanding. Right,
Speaker 3: even if you don't believe in God. This works an
Speaker 3: atheist too, So it's absence of belief. It works outside
Speaker 3: of belief. It's an objective reality, not a subjective one.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't require your belief for your faith. It
Speaker 3: doesn't require you to adopt a certain faith. This is
Speaker 3: something that works outside of that. So whatever your relationship
Speaker 3: with is with God. Right, we can even just say
Speaker 3: that pure consciousness, if you just want to consider God,
Speaker 3: is just pure consciousness. Essentially, this blessing is acting as
Speaker 3: a facilitator to deepen that connection, and it's through that connection, right. Essentially,
Speaker 3: what's happening is you're harnessing more of the grace of
Speaker 3: God into your life. And that presence, that authority, that
Speaker 3: presence created you, that presence knows everything about you. Right,
Speaker 3: It's this intelligent force. We've seen its intelligence in our
Speaker 3: scientific studies. We've seen it give viability to health, these
Speaker 3: sales well. At the same time, killing cancer cells. Right.
Speaker 3: In pre clinical research, we've seen it has intelligence. It
Speaker 3: knows what to do with crops, right. It is able
Speaker 3: to raise beneficial bacteria in the soil buy up to
Speaker 3: nine hundred percent and reduce harmful bacteria by as much
Speaker 3: as six hundred percent. We've seen it's able to eliminate
Speaker 3: pests and you know, harmful microbes that damage crops. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, it gives life to those crops,
Speaker 3: It enhances their immunity, it gives them greater yield. So
Speaker 3: this energy is intelligent. We're not asking for anything specific
Speaker 3: when we're doing these blessings. We're simply saying, you know, right,
Speaker 3: raise the consciousness of whatever this recipient is, and that
Speaker 3: intelligent energy knows what to do in your life.
Speaker 1: Which could then avoid anything that's karmic that you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be dealing with. Now, sorry, dude, but your cartilage
Speaker 1: is gone, right, So because the conscious right right, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: what were you saying?
Speaker 3: I said, it's grace, it's.
Speaker 1: Grace, right, So yeah, But then the question the underlying
Speaker 1: thing that you're saying here, and it's it's beautiful stuff
Speaker 1: that you're saying, but you keep talking about how you've
Speaker 1: done this with agriculture and plants and things like that.
Speaker 1: It sounds suspiciously like you're saying that these things actually
Speaker 1: have consciousness.
Speaker 3: They did. Everything has consciousness. Everything, everything is consciousness.
Speaker 1: Rocks and trees and everything.
Speaker 3: Consciousness is in the very atom itself, and the atom
Speaker 3: composes everything.
Speaker 1: Got it. So it's like universal consciousness.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's God, right, universal consciousness.
Speaker 1: So you are then raising the amount I get it, now,
Speaker 1: raising the amount of God inside something?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh, and then that makes them or that thing raise
Speaker 1: its vitality because now they have more grace of God
Speaker 1: inside them.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like the involution of consciousness into that thing.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you got it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So so back to the question about whether I mean,
Speaker 1: there's only Tulia, right, and there's eight billion of us
Speaker 1: out here, so and plus the agriculture and the plants
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Is this something that
Speaker 1: you can teach someone or you can you can help
Speaker 1: them to become enlightened so that they can then help
Speaker 1: spread these blessings or are you guys can be really tired?
Speaker 3: Well, we we have. One of the things that we're
Speaker 3: doing is because you know, obviously there is only there's
Speaker 3: actually three of us now, but.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well still threes a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Well, but that also shows you that it's not just
Speaker 3: one person. It's not like a special, one kind of
Speaker 3: person that can do this, right. It's something that anybody
Speaker 3: has the capacity and the potential to be able to do. Right.
Speaker 3: Anybody has the ability to raise their consciousness to the
Speaker 3: point of becoming enlightened, right to becoming a conduit of
Speaker 3: this grace of God, so to speak. Right, So it's
Speaker 3: not limited to one individual or even necessarily like a
Speaker 3: special you know, karmic you know, arrangement or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's what I like to say is because a lot
Speaker 3: of people do have that question. Is if I don't
Speaker 3: have an enlightened teacher, I don't have a grow in
Speaker 3: my life, how can I raise my own consciousness? And
Speaker 3: there's a concept called conductivity and conductivity right, that's where
Speaker 3: we get into like you know, when things are a
Speaker 3: super conductor, right, that means their ability to channel and
Speaker 3: harness energy is far superior than something that's a poor conductor.
Speaker 3: So like for electricity, we have like superconductors, we have
Speaker 3: things like you know, metals, or we have things that
Speaker 3: are you know, like water, right, really good conductors of
Speaker 3: electrical energy, and then we have poor conductors like rubber
Speaker 3: or like wood, things like that are not as good conductors.
Speaker 3: So when we're going into consciousness, a human who is
Speaker 3: a good conductor for higher levels of consciousness more of
Speaker 3: the grace of God. We're talking about. What we call
Speaker 3: conductivity is just purity. It's purity of mind, purity of heart.
Speaker 3: It's morality and ethics that are aligned with the divine.
Speaker 3: What the divine not just what society considers to be
Speaker 3: moral and ethical, but what the Divine considers to be
Speaker 3: moral and ethical. We call it the divine principles and fundamentals.
Speaker 3: So that's you know, that's love, that's compassion, that's sacrifice,
Speaker 3: that's empathy. Right. These qualities automatically improve your conductivity. They
Speaker 3: allow you to be able to raise your consciousness right,
Speaker 3: your ability to embody at easy. These characters is your
Speaker 3: own level of conductivity and your own grace of God
Speaker 3: in your life. And when these characters are not there,
Speaker 3: they're not present in a person, they are poor conductors,
Speaker 3: and you see, they have usually more suffering. It comes
Speaker 3: with a host of other proms add ADHD, mental restinances, depression, sadness.
Speaker 3: These are all signs of poor conductivity, where we can
Speaker 3: say just a lower state of consciousness. And we're not
Speaker 3: saying that this is a bad person. I like to
Speaker 3: say they're just off the path. They're not on the
Speaker 3: right track, right, They've gotten confused, right, they don't really know,
Speaker 3: you know, what to do in their lives. A lot
Speaker 3: of their nurturing is poor because, let's face it, there
Speaker 3: isn't really a comprehensive place we can turn to to
Speaker 3: learn about consciousness or to learn about this research because
Speaker 3: we've rejected this idea. Even scientists don't really accept consciousness
Speaker 3: as like part of mainstream science yet because it's such
Speaker 3: a you know, an intangible thing up until now anyway.
Speaker 3: And so I have a feeling a lot of people
Speaker 3: simply through their nurturing, they kind of get pulled off
Speaker 3: the path. They get pulled away from their own natural innocence.
Speaker 3: It's your own inherent blueprint, is that purity and that innocence.
Speaker 3: It's when you're a child, you naturally have that purity
Speaker 3: and that innocence, and as you grow up, as you
Speaker 3: go through the different experiences of life, as you face
Speaker 3: trauma as you know, deal with different you know issues.
Speaker 3: As you learn different ways to get what you need
Speaker 3: that might not necessarily be the corrector appropriate way, right,
Speaker 3: you start to kind of devolve or disorganize consciousness in
Speaker 3: a way that makes you a poor conductor.
Speaker 1: Right. So it's almost like a tuning fork, right, and
Speaker 1: you're using different things like love and compassion to get
Speaker 1: yourself more aligned with these conductivity frequencies. I guess, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better.
Speaker 3: Term, is there a path going be a good way
Speaker 3: to see it? Ye?
Speaker 1: For this mind, it works really well. But so is
Speaker 1: there a place that someone can find these divine principles
Speaker 1: or they just understood?
Speaker 3: So I truly believe this is a big role that
Speaker 3: the Guru plays in everybody's life. A lot of people say,
Speaker 3: we're past the role of the Guru. And while I
Speaker 3: do believe, and I do know that all knowledge right,
Speaker 3: all right, your greatest inner guidance is within you, right,
Speaker 3: the greatest guidance, the greatest teacher. You are, your own guru.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, to get to that point
Speaker 3: where you're in tune with that, where you can feel
Speaker 3: it and understand it and know right, A lot of
Speaker 3: people think they're even following their intuition, and they're just
Speaker 3: following their desires that are misguided, and they think it's
Speaker 3: their intuition, and that's what leads to delays and frustration
Speaker 3: and unexpected outcomes and pain and suffering. Intuition doesn't do that.
Speaker 3: Intuition always leads you to the highest, best possible outcome
Speaker 3: in your life. Right, So there's a lot of confusion,
Speaker 3: mental confusion, spiritual confusion, and a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: know what the best route or past to go is
Speaker 3: so disconnected from that divine presence, from that own guidance
Speaker 3: system within them that puts them on that correct path
Speaker 3: or tells them exactly what to do. And they've been
Speaker 3: told by so many people what the right thing to
Speaker 3: do is without ever feeling that for themselves. You're never
Speaker 3: taught as a child how to feel out truth for yourself.
Speaker 3: You're always taught what truth is, You're always told what
Speaker 3: to believe. You never get to really figure out what
Speaker 3: that actually means. You never get to question the system.
Speaker 3: You're already placed into the system itself. So this is
Speaker 3: kind of like going back to even questioning the system,
Speaker 3: questioning the nature of things going back to the root
Speaker 3: of everything and questioning even where that comes from. Right,
Speaker 3: So the Guru is like a surrogate. They're like a
Speaker 3: jumper cable that helps re establish that foundation within your
Speaker 3: own being to make you allow you to feel the
Speaker 3: soul again. I like to say the soul is like
Speaker 3: this diamond, and all of our past experiences is like
Speaker 3: this ice that starts to coat this diamond, and it
Speaker 3: prevents you from being able to feel that and receive
Speaker 3: that guidance and this light. What these blessings too, is
Speaker 3: not only does the guidance, so the Guru help align
Speaker 3: you with the divine principles and fundamentals again, and the more
Speaker 3: you follow them, the more you are receptive and start
Speaker 3: to feel them yourself, start to feel truth for yourself.
Speaker 3: But also these blessings help melt away that ice. They
Speaker 3: help actually dissolve, right that old conditioning and those old
Speaker 3: layers of belief and ways of being, and they kind
Speaker 3: of reconnect you with that divine presence and then from
Speaker 3: that everything flows.
Speaker 2: So I want to kind of go back to these
Speaker 2: these tests that you did when the people receive the blessings,
Speaker 2: and let's just talk about the ones that actually got
Speaker 2: the blessings. Was it just a one time blessing or
Speaker 2: was it like daily for a month? And did they
Speaker 2: have to do anything to continue with that?
Speaker 3: No, said they didn't even know they were getting the blessing, right,
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so they.
Speaker 1: Have no idea they could have been the control group group.
Speaker 2: Well that's true, that's true. Yeah, okay. And how many
Speaker 2: blessing did you said? Was it too?
Speaker 3: Just two blessings? So one at ninety days and one sorry,
Speaker 3: one at day zero and one at ninety days, and
Speaker 3: we measured at one hundred and eighty days. We measured
Speaker 3: ninety days and one hundred eighty days, and then the
Speaker 3: baseline was at zero days to see where they start
Speaker 3: off with. And then we're comparing that with a placebo, right,
Speaker 3: people who think they're getting something but aren't actually and
Speaker 3: so we're eliminating psychology through that. And then we have
Speaker 3: the control people who are not getting anything. So then
Speaker 3: when you Matt with a test, but when you perform
Speaker 3: these blessings on someone, are the blessing? Do they and
Speaker 3: they should follow these ways of life? You know, the
Speaker 3: compassion and love?
Speaker 2: Do they have to consciously like think, okay, I need
Speaker 2: to act this way in order to keep the blessing
Speaker 2: or do they just begin to act a little differently.
Speaker 3: So in this case, these people that are part of
Speaker 3: the clinical trial, right, since they didn't receive this you know,
Speaker 3: knowledge that they're getting the blessings, there was no education
Speaker 3: or you know learning in terms of the divine principles, fundamentals,
Speaker 3: how to you know, be a good conductor, all these things.
Speaker 3: They simply received this outcome just by receiving the blessing itself.
Speaker 3: And is it permanent? Yeah, wow, I mean as far
Speaker 3: as we've measured, they've maintained the results. So but of
Speaker 3: course we like to say, right, there's a difference between
Speaker 3: short term benefits and long term results, and that is
Speaker 3: obviously how you conduct yourself in your life, right if
Speaker 3: you really want to prolong write the length of this
Speaker 3: either we have people who but we still have people
Speaker 3: even today. All of our clients have come to us
Speaker 3: from like twenty nine to ten and eleven, and they've
Speaker 3: stayed with us since then without any marketing because for
Speaker 3: them this is life, right, They feel a difference even
Speaker 3: if there is a moment where one of our clients
Speaker 3: leaves for like maybe a few months or a year,
Speaker 3: they always come right back because they feel a huge,
Speaker 3: massive difference in their life receiving the blessing versus not
Speaker 3: And so this is really like a just like a
Speaker 3: supercharged way to accomplish the things that you want to accomplish,
Speaker 3: well being, to accomplish a better quality of life right
Speaker 3: with a lot less effort.
Speaker 1: So when you talk about clients, I'd love to understand
Speaker 1: a little bit. What is a client to you?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What are they receiving? What are they seeking when they
Speaker 1: come to you?
Speaker 3: So they come to us for every reason. So we
Speaker 3: our clients are people who are part of our membership.
Speaker 3: So they attend workshops, say, but most of the time
Speaker 3: it's just like they attend blessings. They receive these blessings
Speaker 3: and there's nothing they have to do to receive the blessings,
Speaker 3: the blessings from our side. They just live their lives
Speaker 3: normally and then they receive this energy and if they
Speaker 3: really want to, you know, see greater improvements in their
Speaker 3: own lives than you know, purity, innocence, the qualities of
Speaker 3: following the divine principles and fundamentals or some people, you know,
Speaker 3: we have people who don't even do that, but they
Speaker 3: still receive the outcomes because they just keep getting more blessings.
Speaker 1: Right, quantity instead of quality, got it, exactly.
Speaker 3: So we did have people like that as well, And
Speaker 3: you know that's a little harder to teach. It's it
Speaker 3: really has to come from within the desire to change
Speaker 3: and grow become a better human being. But you get
Speaker 3: the benefits. So I don't know why you wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Right, So then a client is someone that
Speaker 1: joins your membership and gets to membership with you, and
Speaker 1: then on a regular basis interacts with you or you
Speaker 1: been or I guess it's the third person now or
Speaker 1: is there a larger group of people that help you
Speaker 1: with this?
Speaker 3: No, it's the blessings come from my husband or myself, Okay.
Speaker 3: And so these clients they come to us for any
Speaker 3: type of reason, right. We've had clients come to us
Speaker 3: for you know, physical proper right huge you know, chronic
Speaker 3: illnesses and things that science. They've tried every avenue of
Speaker 3: science available, every you know, trick, technique, modality, they've tried
Speaker 3: alternative complementary therapies as well as conventional medicine and therapies,
Speaker 3: and they've found no outcome or very minimal outcome, and
Speaker 3: they found more outcome with these blessings than any other
Speaker 3: pair area of their life. We've even seen people with
Speaker 3: chronic illnesses completely disappear with these blessings. I don't want
Speaker 3: to make a claim, but that does happen, right, And
Speaker 3: so we can't really say for sure what will go
Speaker 3: and what won't because it's you and divine, But we
Speaker 3: have seen that happen. We've seen people with severe mental
Speaker 3: health problems. We've seen people with ADHD come for you know,
Speaker 3: better help. We've seen people with depression, anxiety. I'd say
Speaker 3: we actually get a majority of the people suffering from
Speaker 3: those issues, emotional trauma, things like that, and they receive
Speaker 3: huge benefits from this energy. And we see people also
Speaker 3: suffering financially or in their relationships. Right with my own mother,
Speaker 3: reason I ended up finding out about Gurjee is she
Speaker 3: had a huge right my mother. She's very open. She
Speaker 3: tried everything, She explored every avenue. She's very kind of
Speaker 3: like hippie like almost without the drugs. She's like open
Speaker 3: to everything. She also very religious, so she's a Christian woman,
Speaker 3: but she's also very open minded, so she tried all
Speaker 3: these healing medalities anything you could think of. And I
Speaker 3: always kind of went along with her and kind of
Speaker 3: enjoyed the experience. It was kind of fun for me too.
Speaker 3: But she was always looking for a resolution between her
Speaker 3: and my brother and Oswal's her you know, my father,
Speaker 3: her husband, but especially my brother. They always had kind
Speaker 3: of a rocky relationship. There was a lot of fighting throughout,
Speaker 3: you know, all of my you know, childhood between the
Speaker 3: two of them, and they always had this huge problem
Speaker 3: with each other that never seemed to have any resolution
Speaker 3: no matter what they tried. We even tried counseling and therapy.
Speaker 3: Nothing seemed to really resolve this. And she heard about
Speaker 3: Gurjee and the fact that he's doing all the science
Speaker 3: and was like, well, this is automatically is different from
Speaker 3: anything else. And she went and received a blessing, and
Speaker 3: I kid you not. She said, after one blessing, everything
Speaker 3: changed one eighty degrees. It flipped from one thing to
Speaker 3: the other, and now they have quite a harmonious relationship.
Speaker 3: And she said, nothing else has been able to do that,
Speaker 3: nothing else has achieved that before.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, okay, I'm sold. So if I want to
Speaker 1: be part of your membership and I do, what's the
Speaker 1: best way for someone to start that process.
Speaker 3: So just visit our website, divineconnection dot org and we
Speaker 3: have everything there. We have the memberships available there if
Speaker 3: you even just want to sign up for our mailing
Speaker 3: list and stay in the know, you know, learn about
Speaker 3: all our new scientific research that's coming out. We're also
Speaker 3: starting food products, which I'd like to share with you
Speaker 3: a little bit because yeah, well we recently actually have
Speaker 3: a study, a research experiment that just resulted in a publication,
Speaker 3: peer reviewed publication, and it's on a chicken and poultry
Speaker 3: experiment where we're testing because we want to produce you
Speaker 3: know products, you know, food and things that are available
Speaker 3: for people right who maybe you know, can't sign up
Speaker 3: for a blessing and all that, or maybe are hesitant,
Speaker 3: they don't really want to do the blessing, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like that skeptical mindset. Sure, and so, but at
Speaker 3: the same time, you know, they'll eat a good valued product.
Speaker 3: They'll eat something that you know is leagues above all
Speaker 3: the others. They'll eat you know, organic, or they'll eat
Speaker 3: you know, something that will make their health better, right
Speaker 3: without even knowing that there's a blessing involved in it.
Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing. We're bypassing the skeptics or
Speaker 3: people who are resistant who want to go don't even
Speaker 3: want to go any further the moment they hear God
Speaker 3: and consciousness and blessings by creating these food products that
Speaker 3: have this huge alteration and not only their quality and
Speaker 3: their quantity. Right, we see you know, changes in like
Speaker 3: polyunsaturated fatty acids, mono unsaturated fatty acids, MUFFA and PUFA.
Speaker 3: We've seen huge increments in that. I think it was
Speaker 3: like by over one hundred percent for each one, which
Speaker 3: is you know, incredible for eggs and poultry. And we
Speaker 3: see like you know, improvements in collagen and zinc, right,
Speaker 3: more minerals and more vitamins, and as well as that
Speaker 3: people report. Like in our science experiment, we have people
Speaker 3: who you know, are testing the sensory evaluation of the
Speaker 3: products as well, and there's a huge difference just in
Speaker 3: the taste, the smell, the texture, everything that's incomparable to
Speaker 3: even the best quality conventional products we have on the market. Right.
Speaker 3: These eggs, for example, they're creamier, they taste better, They
Speaker 3: people who have allergies can actually eat these eggs. Right,
Speaker 3: we have huge differences in our quality of products. So
Speaker 3: it's like a way for people to get this energy,
Speaker 3: get these divine blessings without even knowing it, just by
Speaker 3: consuming these products.
Speaker 1: So it's like the spoonful of sugar. It make some
Speaker 1: medicine go down, poonful of exactly medicine. Am wow, so amazing.
Speaker 1: So you can find all that stuff there on your
Speaker 1: website then, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: And even do you have like a quick five minute.
Speaker 1: Story, Yeah, totally go for it.
Speaker 3: I'd love to share this with you. It's actually my
Speaker 3: personal assistant. She's actually sitting in the room with me.
Speaker 3: So she's a lawyer. You know, she studied at Northwestern University.
Speaker 3: She's also a CPA, so she's you know, highly educated
Speaker 3: and she's very successful. Where did you work You worked
Speaker 3: at Deloitte and you know, in a large law broom
Speaker 3: and a large law firm in Chicago, So you know,
Speaker 3: she has a huge, you know, incredible background, and you
Speaker 3: can imagine she's now working as my personal assistant. So
Speaker 3: I have, we know, that incredible overqualified personal assistant. She
Speaker 3: says it's the best job she's ever had. I can't compare.
Speaker 3: But the reason why she's here is essentially her story.
Speaker 3: It's okay if I share, right, Okay, I won't share
Speaker 3: her name, but I'll just share her story is that
Speaker 3: when she met us, it was around nineteen years of
Speaker 3: age where she's suffering from huge problems with Crohn's disease. Right,
Speaker 3: So you know, that huge inflammatory like autoimmune disease, and
Speaker 3: essentially it got to the point it got so bad
Speaker 3: that she had her colon removed, right, And so you
Speaker 3: can imagine what it's like to live without a colon, right.
Speaker 3: And she she's living, you know, at that point in
Speaker 3: time before coming to us, she's using the bathroom like
Speaker 3: maybe you know, twenty thirty times a day. It was
Speaker 3: always urgent, you know, and she, you know, traveling everything
Speaker 3: was very stressful because you know, you obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: need a bathroom near you. You always need to be
Speaker 3: able to you know, have that in mind, always thinking
Speaker 3: about that all the time. And on top of that,
Speaker 3: you know, a huge number of serotonin, right, is actually
Speaker 3: produced in the colon in the gut, and so that
Speaker 3: was removed as well, So you can imagine huge amount
Speaker 3: of depression and anxiety and stress. Right. And on top
Speaker 3: of that, none of the drugs were working, None of
Speaker 3: the you know, immune suppressants. You know, none of these
Speaker 3: drugs that are supposed to help with this you know,
Speaker 3: chronic problem, we're actually doing anything for her. So she's living,
Speaker 3: you know, with huge pain and suffering constantly in and
Speaker 3: out of the hospital because she's always having these infections
Speaker 3: and these problems where she has to go in and
Speaker 3: get another surgery, get another treatment to you know, treat
Speaker 3: this new development, a new you know, infection that's occurred.
Speaker 3: So incredible amount of pain, incredible amount of suffering, always
Speaker 3: you know, urgently needing the bathroom, miserable. Quality of life sucks.
Speaker 3: It's so bad. And what's happened after receiving these blessings
Speaker 3: is that, I mean, not only is she happy, right,
Speaker 3: she's very happy and content in your life. She said
Speaker 3: she felt like she didn't know happiness was even a thing.
Speaker 3: She didn't think happiness was even possible for her. And
Speaker 3: she's happy for the first time in her life. And
Speaker 3: on top of that, right, without a colon, right, you
Speaker 3: can imagine your nutrient absorption and everything's very poor as well,
Speaker 3: because you know, a lot of vitamins and minerals are
Speaker 3: absorbed through your digestive system, through you know the colon
Speaker 3: and through your intestines. And so she's missing a lot
Speaker 3: of nutrients and a poor quality of life. And now
Speaker 3: she's using the bathroom maybe three to five times a day,
Speaker 3: only three to five times a day. She has no
Speaker 3: storage system and she's only using the bathroom three to
Speaker 3: five times a day. Her quality of life is improved,
Speaker 3: her health has improved. She's absolutely on zero drugs, right,
Speaker 3: zero pharmaceutical drugs, not taking anything whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Right, her health, her quality of sleep right, or the
Speaker 3: quality of her skin, her hair, her nails, you can
Speaker 3: tell that she's you know, taking in more nutrients. All
Speaker 3: her blood tests are coming back perfect every time. Right.
Speaker 3: She is living a new level of wellness that she
Speaker 3: didn't even conceive could happen for her before she's forty.
Speaker 3: If you look at the photos of her from years ago,
Speaker 3: before meeting us, she looks older than than she does now.
Speaker 3: So you're talking about reversal of aging. She actually looks
Speaker 3: younger now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm in Yeah, I have thyroid issues.
Speaker 2: I would love to get off those pills.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: The CEO of our organization, right, she's helping Gurgee run
Speaker 3: the company and everything like that, right, it's my husband's
Speaker 3: company and she's helping run it. And she actually had
Speaker 3: Graves disease, so she had her thyroid irradiated before meeting Gurgey.
Speaker 3: And so you can imagine, right, your bone density and
Speaker 3: you know, call everything is affected, your hormones, all these
Speaker 3: things is a cascade of problems throughout your life. And
Speaker 3: before even meeting Gurgey for the first time, right, she
Speaker 3: had a huge issue with her spine psiatic nerve pain.
Speaker 3: She just you know, had a newborn at that time,
Speaker 3: you know, a toddler that she's taking care of as
Speaker 3: well as her mother who's you know, suffering from terminal
Speaker 3: cancer at that time, and so all these huge problems.
Speaker 3: She can't bend down and play with her child, that's
Speaker 3: how bad the pain is. And she's only sleeping like
Speaker 3: a few hours a night because she's taking care of
Speaker 3: both people, and so you know, she's exhausted all the
Speaker 3: time and everything. After just one blessing and it was
Speaker 3: just a phone call she heard from a friend, right
Speaker 3: that you know, she heard about Gurgey through her and
Speaker 3: she ended up attending this you know, group session where
Speaker 3: she got one blessing and then she laid down to
Speaker 3: sleep that night. She woke up, she thought she had
Speaker 3: slept all night long. She thought she had slept for
Speaker 3: like twelve hours. She woke up feeling completely refreshed, and
Speaker 3: she checked the time. It was only four hours.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow. It was a connection that she ended up finding
Speaker 3: out about, you know, gurgee. But on top of that,
Speaker 3: once she got up, right, she found that she had
Speaker 3: no nerve pain, no back pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm good now, Yes, she's in.
Speaker 1: She's in.
Speaker 3: It hasn't returned since.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: On top of that, her thyroid. Right, without a thyroid,
Speaker 3: you're not producing any thyroid hormones, right, and so you
Speaker 3: know another competit, you're going to have to live on
Speaker 3: thyroid medication for the rest of your life. Well, recently,
Speaker 3: she just had some blood work done and she's meeting
Speaker 3: with you know, one of her doctors, and they actually
Speaker 3: have to reduce her thyroid medication from one eighty I
Speaker 3: think is milligrams or micrograms to like one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty because she's producing some syroid hormones on her own.
Speaker 3: And so science says like sometimes there are different organs
Speaker 3: and different you know, parts of the body that will
Speaker 3: start compensating, right, you see the brain. When some part
Speaker 3: of the brain is damaged, other brands will compensate for
Speaker 3: that part of the brain that's damaged. Well, we start
Speaker 3: to see like other glands and other you know, things
Speaker 3: that produce hormones will start taking over for what's lacking
Speaker 3: or missing. And this energy has helped facilitate that to
Speaker 3: allow whatever is producing that thyroid hormone to help give
Speaker 3: her that thyroid hormone. So now she can reduce all
Speaker 3: of her medications.
Speaker 2: So then this could possibly help with a hot topic
Speaker 2: these days, not just because I'm going through it, but with.
Speaker 3: The head cause yeah, oh absolutely, we have huge improvements
Speaker 3: with menstrual health and menopause.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so what about the guys, like, what can
Speaker 1: it help?
Speaker 2: What can it help bossweight, low t prospering for guys, right, right,
Speaker 2: Not that I would know.
Speaker 3: The testosterone, Yeah, testosterone, it definitely. We've seen huge improvements
Speaker 3: in our clinical trials with like testosterone, estrogen, we've seen
Speaker 3: huge improvements with We've seen even oxytocin, right, which is
Speaker 3: for you know, both sexes. We've seen you know, I
Speaker 3: think I don't know exactly how much you can get
Speaker 3: through directly administering oxytocin. But it's like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think under one hundred percent and we've seen I think
Speaker 3: it was almost four hundred percent improvement in oxytocin with
Speaker 3: that administering oxygen it was between two hundred or four
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I don't want to give the wrong number,
Speaker 3: but sure.
Speaker 1: Now, will it give me a six pack because I'm
Speaker 1: really that's really what I need.
Speaker 3: That requires some effort as well, but it can help
Speaker 3: make the process easier. It'll make it easier, it'll give
Speaker 3: you the motivation, it'll inspire you, it'll they'll give you
Speaker 3: the energy. But also it'll it'll make it easier for
Speaker 3: you to be able to shed those pounds and gain
Speaker 3: that muscle, okay, because you're absorbing protein and yeah, more
Speaker 3: more cartilage and faster, longer. And we have a special offer.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to even mention that
Speaker 3: here or not.
Speaker 1: But let's mention it by all means, let's go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we have a special offer at Divine connection
Speaker 3: dot org forward slash Skeptic Metaphysicians and you can it's
Speaker 3: just for people who are signing up for you know,
Speaker 3: through your podcast. So it's a very limited time offer.
Speaker 3: We have people who can receive either two blessings from
Speaker 3: my husband from Gurdgey or two blessings from myself, and
Speaker 3: we have it's it's at a huge discounted offer. So
Speaker 3: we have usually two blessings from my husband around five
Speaker 3: hundred dollars and we're offering them for only two hundred,
Speaker 3: and then from myself they're four hundred dollars and we're
Speaker 3: offering them for only one hundred and fifty. So you
Speaker 3: know and and try it.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Okay. So so not only are we going
Speaker 1: to put your website on there, we're going to add
Speaker 1: a direct link in our show notes for that amazingly
Speaker 1: generous offer. Thank you so much for that. And so
Speaker 1: if you are interested in connecting with Darren or Guruji,
Speaker 1: then just go to Skeptic memphosition dot com, go to
Speaker 1: the episode her episode, go to her show notes, and
Speaker 1: you'll find that link directly laid in there. So it's
Speaker 1: easy for you to connect with them by using the
Speaker 1: Skeptic Metaphysicians part of their website, which I'm really happy that.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, you have to remember it is for a
Speaker 2: limited time.
Speaker 1: It is for limited time.
Speaker 3: It's limited off for one per person.
Speaker 1: Right, limited availability, so it's not like you know, don't
Speaker 1: don't take advantage, don't be a drunk. You know you
Speaker 1: heard it here. Go to Skeptic metiphysician dot com. Go
Speaker 1: to her episode page, find that link in the show notes.
Speaker 1: You do not want to miss this. This is this
Speaker 1: is amazing. It sounds crift, It is credible, absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: a huge gift. And please think Guji on our behalf
Speaker 1: as well, because what you guys are doing for the
Speaker 1: world is sounding and you can tell that it comes
Speaker 1: from a really amazing place and we need to get
Speaker 1: this out there farm wide. So thank you so much,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Thank you. I'm truly happy.
Speaker 3: You're such wonderful hosts. I enjoyed every second of it.
Speaker 3: And come on anytime you want.
Speaker 1: Me to be happy to you know what, We're going
Speaker 1: to take you up on it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I'd love to be on again. I love it.
Speaker 1: Count on it. We'll talk.
Speaker 3: We just scratched the surface. There's so much more to
Speaker 3: talk about.
Speaker 1: Then let's make sure we do that. So we sign
Speaker 1: up on this. You got the pat I do. I
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: Mind blowing. Thank you, thank you for coming on and
Speaker 1: opening up our eyes. I can't wait to try for
Speaker 1: myself and hits. What we'll do is we'll do it.
Speaker 1: We'll do it, and then we'll have you back and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how our experience was.
Speaker 3: Are you going to try it? No, let me talk
Speaker 3: to my husband about it. I'll tell them all about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, We're definitely gonna do it, and we'll
Speaker 1: have you back on and talk about the what we've experienced,
Speaker 1: because I think that's that would be amazing. It would be
Speaker 1: incredible if it can make me look like Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1: I'm all in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just want to not hurt. I just want to
Speaker 2: not ache, you know, wake up in the morning. What
Speaker 2: hurts today?
Speaker 1: You know what hurts is that she right give me
Speaker 1: like this all like fat chance. Look, I said, that's okay,
Speaker 1: that hurt.
Speaker 3: But okay, you can edit that. You can be like.
Speaker 1: Contact right, AI does of all kinds of wonderful things.
Speaker 1: I could forgut all right, darn. Thank you so so
Speaker 1: much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure you. I enjoyed us so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. You're you're both so wonderful and
Speaker 3: so kind and so funny, and you're just so positive
Speaker 3: and lovely. I love you both well, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's right back at you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.