Speaker 1: I don't what you're putting.
Speaker 2: We got some want or nothing out here.
Speaker 3: I can't go, but I know I did.
Speaker 2: My vendor light came on.
Speaker 4: And I get that.
Speaker 2: But they left and they thing running across the.
Speaker 3: Yard A good sight man or nothing.
Speaker 2: I wood like the man. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: Right across the yard.
Speaker 5: It seems to be a big foot leaning against a
Speaker 5: tree in a wooded area.
Speaker 6: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 6: not big.
Speaker 3: Foot tree lines and rush. He sees about a seven
Speaker 3: and seven and a half foot tall sasquatch looking back
Speaker 3: at him, and that kind of looks like a wolf,
Speaker 3: but not like a neighborhood dog. Pick these stores for
Speaker 3: what they are and hopes that maybe if it's out there,
Speaker 3: then show me yeah, and says he might have caught
Speaker 3: the mythical chub of Cabra creature terrorizing his chickens like
Speaker 3: a grunt.
Speaker 6: And a knock up like a oh.
Speaker 3: I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for people
Speaker 3: to want to make Bigfoot a quote unquote monster. Welcome
Speaker 3: to ECB Bigfoot Radio, DCBRO Bigfoot Radio fans. It's time
Speaker 3: to grab your pens, your calendars, and start writing down
Speaker 3: these dates for these upcoming events. In the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five year, February eighth, the ECBRO is hosting a big
Speaker 3: Foot in Lunch gathering in Lexington, Virginia, happening at the
Speaker 3: Legendary Eats Cafe. If you have a Bigfoot story, or
Speaker 3: if you're just a fan of Bigfoot and you want
Speaker 3: to learn what's going on with the ECBRO and I
Speaker 3: know who they are and what they do, this event's
Speaker 3: for you. It's a free event. The only thing that
Speaker 3: is going to cost you if you want to buy
Speaker 3: off the menu and enjoy a delicious meal while you
Speaker 3: sit among other researchers. All right. Moving ahead in the.
Speaker 7: Month of March March twenty nine is a penn Ohio
Speaker 7: heron olmal Cohn and happening at the Timoty Big Woot
Speaker 7: Center and Book Creed, Ohio.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is also sponsored and hosted by mister Bill Rigby.
Speaker 3: Jumping ahead into the month of June, boy, do we
Speaker 3: have some awesome stuff going on in June. Again. I
Speaker 3: hope you're marking this down and I'll hope you prepare
Speaker 3: yourself to attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and eighth
Speaker 3: happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania, the Forest County Bigfoot Festivality. The
Speaker 3: event that's grown so huge it's unbelievable. You're going to
Speaker 3: want to attend this event. Over one hundred vendors, food trucks,
Speaker 3: and guest speakers. This event is something you want to attend.
Speaker 3: Not to mention. If you'd like to go with squatching.
Speaker 3: There is the Alleganty National State Forest nearby. You're going
Speaker 3: to want to check that forest out. It's very squatching.
Speaker 3: June twentieth and twenty first happening in Where's Cave, Virginia
Speaker 3: at the Where's Ca Community Center is the annual ECBRO
Speaker 3: Virginia Bigfoot Conference. Yes, it's right there, being held at
Speaker 3: the Community Center and.
Speaker 8: Where's Cay, Virginia. Both indoor and outdoor vendors, guest speakers
Speaker 8: for an activity and contest for the kids. You're gonna
Speaker 8: want to check this out. If you've never been to.
Speaker 3: This event, it's very fun. You get to meet up
Speaker 3: with other light minded people, get to go out and
Speaker 3: hang out with them in the evenings around them fire.
Speaker 3: If you're get that special invite, you get to have
Speaker 3: a lot more. You're gonna want to check that out
Speaker 3: and start becoming a part of that event, because that
Speaker 3: is not just in an event, it's like a family gathering.
Speaker 3: That's June twentieth and twenty first, so feel free to
Speaker 3: check that out and ladies and gentlemen. Happening in the
Speaker 3: month of June. Also June twenty sixth, twenty seventh, and
Speaker 3: twenty eighth happening in Sutton, West Virginia is the annual
Speaker 3: Western Virginia you have Bigfoot Festival. Another massive, huge festival
Speaker 3: with over one hundred a vendors, all kinds of activity
Speaker 3: and fun and tests for kids and people of all ages.
Speaker 3: Guest speakers, celebrities, people you're gonna want to get to known,
Speaker 3: get to meet and learn from. Ladies and gentlemen. I
Speaker 3: hope you guys are taking the time to mark these
Speaker 3: dates and these locations down. If you have any questions
Speaker 3: regarding any of these events, send an email to ECB
Speaker 3: ro ninety eight at gmail dot com. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: welcome to ECBR Bigfoot Radio. Tonight is a roundtable discussion.
Speaker 3: I got a few things we'll get into and talk
Speaker 3: about here and there. But yeah, for those who listen
Speaker 3: to all those events, one thing I do want to
Speaker 3: add regarding the West Virginia Bigfoot Festival that happens what's
Speaker 3: happening in June twenty six, seven twenty eight. A part
Speaker 3: of their lineup they have announced so far something new
Speaker 3: that they're adding that they have not had there before.
Speaker 3: They actually are they will have the Expedition Bigfoot Crew there,
Speaker 3: so that's something new this year. Of course, the Mountain
Speaker 3: Monsters will be there. From my understanding, they've been there
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Well they were officially there
Speaker 3: last year. They actually showed up on their own like
Speaker 3: years before that, but they were officially there last year.
Speaker 3: They will be back again this year. So again that's
Speaker 3: in West Virginia. That's a very fun event. I know,
Speaker 3: it's a hit and miss every time I attend there
Speaker 3: because you know, being in June and it's completely outdoors. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you come on out there, it's worth being out there,
Speaker 3: but just come prepared because it gets hot, you know.
Speaker 3: I know when I was there, even though I was
Speaker 3: underneath a pavilion most of the day, that was probably
Speaker 3: the coolest spot of the festival, was hanging out underneath
Speaker 3: of that pavilion. But as soon as you up away
Speaker 3: from that pavilion. You're melting. That's how hard he gets
Speaker 3: out there. So this especially right there in the middle
Speaker 3: of June, at the end of June whatever. So but yeah,
Speaker 3: enough of that. I want to welcome David and Melissa
Speaker 3: and Al back to the stream. I'm glad to have
Speaker 3: them back on here. Al for those who have been following,
Speaker 3: Al was just one of my recent guests, previous guests
Speaker 3: from a couple episodes ago, and David joined us. David
Speaker 3: and Melissa joined us on another open discussion with William Nighthawk.
Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun. We had a great discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we kind of went a little everywhere on that one,
Speaker 3: but that's what I kind of liked that we do
Speaker 3: that a lot. We're very random on discussions. You just
Speaker 3: never know where we're going to go. So if you're listening, uh,
Speaker 3: just try to hang with us. So yeah, I'll start
Speaker 3: with you. How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm doing great, brother, It's good to be here.
Speaker 6: Thank you for invitation. Melissa, it's nice meeting you.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm doing good. Absolutely, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure. David, Melissa, how
Speaker 3: you guys doing.
Speaker 1: We're doing good. We're doing all right.
Speaker 3: How you Yeah, how you been feeling there, Melissa.
Speaker 9: Besides the bruising and the incisions where I have surgery,
Speaker 9: I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 9: Taking some pain meds, but it's just ibuprofen and tyle
Speaker 9: and all extra strengths at this point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, are you? Are you back and making donuts
Speaker 3: like David is.
Speaker 9: No, I am not aloud until after the fourteenth of February,
Speaker 9: And it depends on also and when I do my
Speaker 9: radiation treatments. When I start that, oh, okay, okay, by
Speaker 9: the first sometime in the first part of February, I
Speaker 9: know I gotta do six weeks worth of it, you know, So.
Speaker 2: Let me clear some up out of here right quick.
Speaker 3: Daniel, Oh, I'm not gonna jump in you.
Speaker 4: Just to get out of the house. I'm retired twice now,
Speaker 4: retired from the Army of ninety eight. I retired from
Speaker 4: the local servians overs here in twenty eighteen. I went
Speaker 4: to work with kes that to get out of the
Speaker 4: house a couple of days a week. So it's not
Speaker 4: like I've been a doing nothing for all my mind. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's got to bring it up all the time, make
Speaker 4: a doughnuts.
Speaker 2: I ain't got no do nothing better or nothing only.
Speaker 2: But you know that's what I do right now. So
Speaker 2: I've got to carry what.
Speaker 3: I see. Yeah, that's the April and I got him.
Speaker 3: I see he's keeping that one clean.
Speaker 2: Us.
Speaker 6: That's hysterical.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you like to have a lot of fun. And
Speaker 4: that's a little bit about my background as far as
Speaker 4: that goes. So you know where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just curious. Did you have you try to
Speaker 3: wear that to work? That bigot Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Melissa get fired? She's a district manager, their assistant.
Speaker 1: District assistant general manager.
Speaker 2: Uh that Kristah kreeman o.
Speaker 4: The uh when I do go back getting the full retirement,
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking they wear it in there, you know
Speaker 4: the crap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, as far as wearing big Foot apparel,
Speaker 3: you know, I've actually been getting oh I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess you could say I've been getting a couple
Speaker 3: of reports. I just hadn't followed through them yet. Well
Speaker 3: one of them I reply back to one of the
Speaker 3: responses I got recently, I just haven't heard back from
Speaker 3: my reply. But however, by me going, you know, I
Speaker 3: wear my bigfoot stuff, my hoodie everywhere I go, and
Speaker 3: like one of the girls at the bank's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I love your shirt. You know, just you know,
Speaker 3: blah blah blahn to me. When they say something like
Speaker 3: that and it's my big foot, it opens up the
Speaker 3: door for me to start talking, you know, like, well, hey,
Speaker 3: oh do you believe in bigfoot? Blah blah blah. And
Speaker 3: then like, for example, the girl the bank is, well,
Speaker 3: my boyfriend, he's really into that. Now. She didn't tell
Speaker 3: me that he had a sighting. I didn't learn that
Speaker 3: until actually I got the email from him, you know,
Speaker 3: because I gave her one of my cards and probably
Speaker 3: a voute less than a week later. Yeah, his name's William.
Speaker 3: And again I'm waiting on another response to him because
Speaker 3: I really want to talk to this guy. Now, I
Speaker 3: get back up a little bit just prior to that. Now,
Speaker 3: like I said, my cards, I do leave them out
Speaker 3: and random places, And I did get a another email
Speaker 3: from this other individual. He started sharing some details about locations,
Speaker 3: but he didn't go into specifics on the experiences he
Speaker 3: had and he wants to share them with me and
Speaker 3: so I have yet to really get into a discussion
Speaker 3: with him. And uh. But the location, Like I was
Speaker 3: telling David about this, one of this guy here was
Speaker 3: telling me, uh, he was naming these locations. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's like right outside of my main research area and
Speaker 3: it's like right between where basically if you know our area,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like I don't know, it's like a
Speaker 3: center point, Like it's between like where we've left camp
Speaker 3: at and where we use camp at and it's like
Speaker 3: center that. And not to mention like I didn't think
Speaker 3: about this, David, but would you kind of say that's
Speaker 3: close to Retis Knob too at the same in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They basically pretty much say Maria all interconnected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because with with what mister Huffman Dale Huffman uh
Speaker 3: shared with us when he came to camping and shared
Speaker 3: what he heard while him and the other guys camping over
Speaker 3: there Retish down below Redish Nab at that camp site.
Speaker 3: They heard that weird what was it a screen? Did
Speaker 3: he describe that as a stream or like a how
Speaker 3: or I can't remember that part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I'm saying. Yeah, Then one of the guys
Speaker 4: he was with is retired law force. But also and
Speaker 4: he's always been a skeptic, but he left there that
Speaker 4: night too with that what if he was kind of right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he wants to go back and research more into it
Speaker 4: because thats got his interests up.
Speaker 2: In what, you know, what may be going on out there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that way, and then the other thing, you know,
Speaker 3: you have you know, up in Alaska, they have what
Speaker 3: they call the Alaska Triangle, where within that triangle, in
Speaker 3: that perimeter, you have all these strange phenomenons, the weird
Speaker 3: thing to happen, UFOs, big foot activity and occurrences and phenomena,
Speaker 3: all kinds of strange things that happened within that zone.
Speaker 3: And so you know, and what's the triangle, the Alaska Triangle,
Speaker 3: the huge it covers. You know, I didn't eventure Alaska,
Speaker 3: but I know Alaska is like massive, you know. But
Speaker 3: so to minimize the activity, the more or less pinpoint
Speaker 3: hotspile activities that I've been gathering over the year, I've
Speaker 3: kind of almost developed a triangle down here between just
Speaker 3: a couple of counties, you know, maybe two or three turnings, Augusta, Rockingham,
Speaker 3: and I well, actually maybe I should just say Rockingham
Speaker 3: and Augusta because they seem like the hardest spots around
Speaker 3: this area. I mean there's other reports up and down,
Speaker 3: you know, Virginia, but for what we focus on, we've
Speaker 3: been getting concentrated, you know, uh, stories and stuff, which
Speaker 3: is it kind of gets exciting when you hear more
Speaker 3: and more and that's happening in this area so well.
Speaker 4: I know when we met Daniel about five years ago
Speaker 4: at Tomorrow, he had had a display about there when
Speaker 4: I first met him, got me intrigued into Tomorrow. I
Speaker 4: always been into the parent normal stuff like that. I've
Speaker 4: had experiences, and of course some of the experience I had,
Speaker 4: I know it's a pigment of my imagination, but some
Speaker 4: of them are not, which been sort of too long
Speaker 4: to get involved in. But I've never had anything crypti based,
Speaker 4: Bigfoot or anything else. We've always been interested in that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. And then we met Daniel. He seemed
Speaker 4: down to earth and not one of than wild guys
Speaker 4: out there chasing every shadow and every knocking everything of here.
Speaker 4: It's has been a Bigfoot and they got me intrigued,
Speaker 4: and we've been with him. They were since some camping
Speaker 4: and going out with the group. Needs to be our
Speaker 4: own stuff. And what I found intriguing was when I
Speaker 4: first got involved with him, we put it on Facebook.
Speaker 4: You know, we're getting involved with this group, you know,
Speaker 4: doing a little bit of research and bigfoot and stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: And some people took it as a joke, which has
Speaker 2: been expected, you know.
Speaker 4: And uh, but some of the people that are in
Speaker 4: my comments, I got a couple of private messages back
Speaker 4: and to me. For somebody to take their time to
Speaker 4: send a private message, they didn't want to put it
Speaker 4: in the open discussion. Part of it leads more credence
Speaker 4: to what they've seen that left them stooped, and they
Speaker 4: just wanted to share their story. And uh, that just
Speaker 4: nailed it down even more. I have yet to see
Speaker 4: one and anything, but I've gotten sounds the stuff to
Speaker 4: put that question mark in your mind, and to put
Speaker 4: my recordings out overnight. A lot of it could be
Speaker 4: natur wild life, but some things just didn't sound natural.
Speaker 4: And I let Daniel listen to a few of them
Speaker 4: get his opinion on it. Uh, that's where we're at now.
Speaker 4: You know, we go camping a couple of times a year.
Speaker 4: I talk about more than that, and when we came
Speaker 4: but it's a group of about a couple of times
Speaker 4: a year with Daniel. But that's what we're doing around
Speaker 4: here in the Harrisburg in the area Slate Lake and
Speaker 4: Elkhorn Lake and stuff.
Speaker 2: Uh. But I mean, I don't hear Alse's story it.
Speaker 6: I mean, last night, I'll be honest with you, last night,
Speaker 6: I was up late for me because I'm an old dude,
Speaker 6: and I was up at twelve o'clock last night watching
Speaker 6: some shows on YouTube, and I heard woops in the
Speaker 6: backyard last night. I haven't heard woops in my backyard
Speaker 6: in a long time, you know, And I don't think
Speaker 6: I've ever heard them in the winter time. And we
Speaker 6: got you know, it's twelve minus twelve degrees up here,
Speaker 6: and it's we got a lot of snow on the ground,
Speaker 6: but it's so damn cold. I be honest with you,
Speaker 6: I haven't gone out to go in the backyard to
Speaker 6: look for footprints or anything, because I haven't even gone
Speaker 6: outside stuck the damn cars. But it's so cold. But
Speaker 6: that was the first time I've heard woops in a
Speaker 6: long time up here. And I have one hundred acres
Speaker 6: of an old apple orchard behind me and one hundred
Speaker 6: acres of wetlands across the street.
Speaker 10: But so that's how the night started out.
Speaker 6: And then around three o'clock in the morning, Man, I
Speaker 6: I could have sworn I heard my wife whisper my
Speaker 6: name in my ear, like right here, and my eyes
Speaker 6: opened up and I turned around because I thought something
Speaker 6: was wrong, you know, you know, it sound just like her.
Speaker 6: It was right in my ear. I actually feel the
Speaker 6: breath going to my ear. And I turned around and
Speaker 6: she was sleeping, and I got up and I did
Speaker 6: like a perimeter search around the house, you know, but
Speaker 6: I didn't see anything. But I was like, man, that
Speaker 6: was weird. And I don't usually get two weird experiences
Speaker 6: in one night.
Speaker 10: You know, it's either one or the other.
Speaker 6: But last night was pretty weird around here. But yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I mean I got into this. I seen one when
Speaker 6: I was twelve years old, and I've had many encounters
Speaker 6: over the years, and I have about five different locations
Speaker 6: that I researched, and I you know, I've never thought
Speaker 6: about triangulating any of them until Dan started talking about
Speaker 6: it now. But I found just off the top of
Speaker 6: my head, if I if I do, like put them
Speaker 6: in perspective, I can get two different triangles, one east
Speaker 6: west south and one the other way going north east
Speaker 6: west north. And pretty interesting about the triangular stuff because
Speaker 6: he had me thinking about the triangle up in the
Speaker 6: Massac Bridgewater triangle up in Massachusetts too, you know. And
Speaker 6: I'm thinking there's and and the one up in.
Speaker 10: Alaska as well.
Speaker 6: So you know, we could probably if we look at
Speaker 6: him close enough, we could probably triangulate a lot of
Speaker 6: these sightings, you know, right. And I wear I got
Speaker 6: I have. I'm a director of four different groups, and
Speaker 6: I have a shirt for each group because when you
Speaker 6: go to these symposiums, you can't wear a bigfoot shirt
Speaker 6: to a UFO conference, and you can't wear a UFO
Speaker 6: shirt with a ghost conference, and otherwise you'll just end
Speaker 6: up fighting with everybody. And whenever I wear my shirts
Speaker 6: out and uh, someone says something. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: I went to the library last Saturday with my grandson
Speaker 6: because they were doing the thing there for kids. He's
Speaker 6: a year and a half old, and I happened to
Speaker 6: have my my paranormal shirt on at the time because
Speaker 6: it's one of the only ones I have that has
Speaker 6: warm sleeves on it. And the girl at the library.
Speaker 6: He said, oh you do paranormal, give me your car,
Speaker 6: bah bah, and then we started talking about I said, yeah,
Speaker 6: I was here last summer when a friend of mine
Speaker 6: did the big Foot. They have friend of mine from
Speaker 6: upstate in the Adirondecks. He came down and he did
Speaker 6: a big Foot conference there. And I said, yeah, I
Speaker 6: was here for his presentation and and she said, well,
Speaker 6: maybe next year we'll have you instead of HMS.
Speaker 10: It's you live right in town, and it's you.
Speaker 6: Know, it's funny how one thing leads to another and
Speaker 6: you can get into all kinds of different conversations with
Speaker 6: people just because they're looking at your shirt or or
Speaker 6: you put a card down on the on the table
Speaker 6: and they look at their cards, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: And it always, it always starts off, do you believe
Speaker 10: in that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 10: I believe it is about you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean in regards to experiences.
Speaker 10: And then they open right up boom, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely to me wearing a big shirt, whatever type of
Speaker 3: shirt you're wearing. It's like if you don't have a
Speaker 3: business card to put up there about who you are,
Speaker 3: what you do, Hey, let that shirt or that clothes
Speaker 3: or gear do your be your calling card, you know,
Speaker 3: and just to kind of just to throw it out
Speaker 3: there and talk about shirts and you know, stuff like this.
Speaker 3: I for those who watched it earlier, I put out
Speaker 3: a promo because the gentleman who added me on his
Speaker 3: networks Media Squatch. Uh he actually sent me three shirts
Speaker 3: to promote. He let me choose from he let me
Speaker 3: choose these shirts. And I'm gonna tell you what to
Speaker 3: see the quality of these shirts because I just got
Speaker 3: them today and I got a sweater and two T
Speaker 3: shirts and I was wearing a sweater earlier and it's
Speaker 3: very comfortable. But when I opened up the package, actually know,
Speaker 3: I got them yesterday and I just opened them up.
Speaker 3: I opened up yesterday. I wore the sweater today. But
Speaker 3: the quality of these shirts are amazing. I was surprised.
Speaker 3: I mean, they took a while from the time he
Speaker 3: ordered them for me through the store. Yeah, it took
Speaker 3: a good week or so. But you know, they're I mean,
Speaker 3: they're awesome. So I'm promoting that right now because you know,
Speaker 3: again it's part of you know, the network and the
Speaker 3: team of media Squatch that I'm a part of now.
Speaker 3: And uh so, yeah, I advised or recommend and highly
Speaker 3: suggests anybody that wants to further inventory on merchandise for there.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're in the big Foot, you know
Speaker 3: it's he's putting. Most of it. It's all Bigfoot from
Speaker 3: what I recall. They may have been some other at
Speaker 3: Christas in there, but most of it's all Bigfoot related.
Speaker 3: But some of it it's funny, you know, it's got
Speaker 3: some humor in it. But it's some of it's really
Speaker 3: cool looking. But check out squatch Trail dot com again.
Speaker 3: That again, that Squatch Trail all one word dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: A couple of other shirts. I'll show them more. I
Speaker 3: showed them in the promo video I threw together this morning.
Speaker 3: I'll probably work on it one. Yeah, I'll probably put
Speaker 3: together you know, maybe show the shirts more clear. You know,
Speaker 3: you'll see me promote him here and there. So but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I was impressed. The quality of these shirts
Speaker 3: are amazing, you know. So. But my favorite one that
Speaker 3: I got, I mean, I love them all. They'll get
Speaker 3: me wrong, but my favorite one is the white T
Speaker 3: shirt that's got the Bigfoot wearing the craft and it
Speaker 3: says King of Cryptids. It's like I thought that was
Speaker 3: pretty cool though. It's like kind of like the old
Speaker 3: Budweiser King of Beers. Yeah, not that I drink Budweiser.
Speaker 3: That all gave me a headache.
Speaker 10: You know what I love.
Speaker 6: When I was a kid, I had a bunch of
Speaker 6: Budman shirt they had like a little Budman. It's like
Speaker 6: a superhero guy. And I loved Budweiser Man. I love
Speaker 6: it to death, but it gives me the worst headaches. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I switched back over to Miller High Life, and I'm
Speaker 6: much better with the Miller High Life. I don't get
Speaker 6: any kind of headaches or anything. And it goes down
Speaker 6: like water. So yeah, I don't drink but anymore. And
Speaker 6: it's not because I don't like it. It's just that
Speaker 6: it kicks my ass.
Speaker 3: It does. I don't know what it is they adding
Speaker 3: that beat that particular beerod No, I could drink bud like,
Speaker 3: you know, I could drink Bud Light and other Anheyser
Speaker 3: products like Bush beer. I can drink Bush that's made
Speaker 3: by an home and as your Bush Budweiser. To me,
Speaker 3: I always called it the headache beer.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Like when I was with my friend Mike and I
Speaker 3: would help him and I do you know when I
Speaker 3: used to hang out with Mike and do some sidewalk
Speaker 3: with his father. His father even to put us to
Speaker 3: work when we used to go over there. And uh,
Speaker 3: but you know his probably was cool. His father. His
Speaker 3: father was a Budweiser drigger. So his father come back
Speaker 3: with a case of beer. Here, you boys, have some beer.
Speaker 3: Give me a headache. But I enjoyed it, well for
Speaker 3: a woot while I was a headache kick did Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got, I got.
Speaker 6: I got like a little fridge in the garage that
Speaker 6: I have like two to six packs of Bud, two
Speaker 6: six packs of Cords, uh, just regular cords, a banquet beer,
Speaker 6: and two six packs of Miller. So when my friends
Speaker 6: come over they want a beer, they got their choice,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, because everybody drinks
Speaker 6: something different, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So uh oh for sure, yeah.
Speaker 10: So I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 6: But I'm drinking light beer. I gotta be honest. I'm
Speaker 6: drinking a silver bullet of Courts Light. But but I'm
Speaker 6: happy with my Miller highlights.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can see this. I got
Speaker 3: the camera turned around, but this is currently what I
Speaker 3: got here blue Moon, and there's Dad's beer. Of course,
Speaker 3: like a silver bullet.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, how do we get into talking
Speaker 3: about beer?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: Are you from around the New York area?
Speaker 3: I am from New York, Yes, New York. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: his accents should give it all the way, what accident.
Speaker 6: I've got no accent. No, Now, you know, I'm from
Speaker 6: the city, but I live up in the country.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: I've been up here about thirty years.
Speaker 10: And uh I love it up here.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: When I retired from the postal service after thirty two years,
Speaker 6: I tried to convince my wife to move to Tennessee,
Speaker 6: but she won't go. So I mean I'm stuck here
Speaker 6: in New York.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: My daughter just had a baby, so you know, not
Speaker 6: at the grandchild this year. My wife is going nowhere,
Speaker 6: and I tried to get her out of here before
Speaker 6: the baby came. Ples you wouldn't budge, yeah, but uh,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I love the state as far
Speaker 6: as what it has to offer. We have so much
Speaker 6: wilderness up here, and and you know, it has a
Speaker 6: lot to offer, whether you know, if you're into fishing
Speaker 6: or surfing out on Long Island or skiing upstate or
Speaker 6: the Adirrondecks. I mean, I love being up being up
Speaker 6: up in up in the mountains.
Speaker 10: But it's just I hate the politics of this state.
Speaker 6: It just makes you know I'm not I should I
Speaker 6: should have been born in Texas, should have been born
Speaker 6: a cowboy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what was that in Canada you had when
Speaker 4: it was about twelve years old?
Speaker 2: How did that play out? That one? Yeah?
Speaker 10: That was that was pretty wild twelve years old?
Speaker 6: Down to South Florida, a little town.
Speaker 2: Called Davy, down Florida.
Speaker 10: Yeah, South Florida.
Speaker 6: It was down to South Florida, the little town called Davy.
Speaker 10: We were just outside of the Everglades.
Speaker 6: And it was it was a drought that summer, and
Speaker 6: it was fires in the Everglades and all the animals
Speaker 6: were getting pushed inland. And long story short, my sister's
Speaker 6: development was surrounded by canals and we had a skunk
Speaker 6: ape come in and walked past the house and scream
Speaker 6: at the house. And uh, I don't want to get
Speaker 6: into the whole long story, but it attacked a wild
Speaker 6: mustang down around the corner there. I wanted one of
Speaker 6: the rancher's house down down on the down on the corner,
Speaker 6: there was a horse rancher attacked one of his horses
Speaker 6: that he had in the stall. And at the other
Speaker 6: end of the development there was a cattle ranch who
Speaker 6: had a Brahma bull and it ripped the head off
Speaker 6: of the Brahma bull. And h you know, like I said,
Speaker 6: when first time it walked past the house, and it
Speaker 6: stunk to high heaven and and I think, and I
Speaker 6: gotta be honest with you, I think the reason when
Speaker 6: it first showed up in the front of the house
Speaker 6: and it's and I've seen the shadow go by the wall,
Speaker 6: and I peeked out the window and this thing did
Speaker 6: this blood curdling scream, and it flexed because it was
Speaker 6: seeing its reflection in a big picture window.
Speaker 10: And I guess it must have thought it was another
Speaker 10: skun gape.
Speaker 6: And it was doing like a territorial thing. It didn't stink,
Speaker 6: but when it went past the house, we had two
Speaker 6: large German shepherd canine German shepherds at the house and
Speaker 6: the dogs were crazy. And I think once the dogs
Speaker 6: went crazy, it let that stink out as a warning
Speaker 6: for the dogs, you know, like you better back up
Speaker 6: before I kill you. And uh, and it stunk to
Speaker 6: high heaven. And so I seen it. I seen it
Speaker 6: in front of the house when I was looking out
Speaker 6: the front window. I seen it out the bathroom window.
Speaker 6: I seen it out the back patio when we were
Speaker 6: following the we one night we were following the deputy's
Speaker 6: car the night it killed the Barmba Bule.
Speaker 10: We heard the screams of the Brahma bull.
Speaker 6: And then the rancher came out and we seen the
Speaker 6: double bower shotgun go off. So we jumped in my
Speaker 6: Brumlow's car and we raced over to the ranch. But
Speaker 6: when we got to the corner, we got stuck behind
Speaker 6: the deputy. He was doing a patrol, and it ran
Speaker 6: out in front of the deputy's car and the depth.
Speaker 6: Everybody was looking to the left because that's what a
Speaker 6: swamp was, and it ran out from the right in
Speaker 6: between the houses, and the deputy hood hit it, and
Speaker 6: a police car stopped like hit an oak tree. And
Speaker 6: this thing went down, took down a bus stop sign,
Speaker 6: like a school bus sign that was supposed to be
Speaker 6: unbendable up to like two hundred and fifty mile an hour.
Speaker 6: Hurricane wins Well, this thing pancake. That sign just pancaked it.
Speaker 6: And when it got back up and it walked over
Speaker 6: to the deputy's car, we were directly behind it, and
Speaker 6: I was out the sunroof because my cousin was sitting
Speaker 6: in the front seat to have my brother in law
Speaker 6: open up the sunroof, and I was hanging out the
Speaker 6: sunroof looking at it. And it went and looked at
Speaker 6: the deputy and it just screamed at him, and it
Speaker 6: did like a hammer punch on the front of the car,
Speaker 6: and the whole back of the car came up, and
Speaker 6: then it limped off into the swamp. And I mean
Speaker 6: it was like time slowed down. It was like surreal it.
Speaker 6: You didn't know if you were dreaming or not. But
Speaker 6: I tell people all the time, the very first time
Speaker 6: I seen it out the window, my brain could not
Speaker 6: comprehend what my eyes were looking at. Monsters weren't supposed
Speaker 6: to exist, and yet I had one twenty feet away
Speaker 6: out in the driveway screaming at me. You know, it
Speaker 6: had red eyes, but I don't know if that was
Speaker 6: because of the sensor lights on the house. It had
Speaker 6: k nines. It was big, and I would it was
Speaker 6: I estimated it tied to be about nine feet tall
Speaker 6: because the fence that went around the house was six
Speaker 6: foot tall to keep the dogs in, and it was
Speaker 6: head and shoulders above the fence. And I would say
Speaker 6: it weighed easy, thousand pounds easy. And like I said, and.
Speaker 10: It had it was.
Speaker 6: It looked black in the distance, but underneath the center lights,
Speaker 6: it had like a red tint to its air, you know.
Speaker 6: But it was a monster. I mean the first time
Speaker 6: I described it to anybody on the on air and
Speaker 6: they exked me, like, what what did you think?
Speaker 10: You know, what did you think it was?
Speaker 6: So I thought it was a monster.
Speaker 10: It looked like King Kong to me, you know.
Speaker 6: And when my sister my Brotherma told us what it was,
Speaker 6: we did they were joking, you know, what the hell
Speaker 6: is the skunky? You know, we didn't know that we
Speaker 6: were from the city in New York. We don't know
Speaker 6: what as skunk. Cape's I've heard a Bigfoot. And then
Speaker 6: my sister said, yeah, it's the Florida version of Bigfoot.
Speaker 6: And then when I and I went to the neighborhood,
Speaker 6: kids that we knew from hanging out down there summer
Speaker 6: after summer, and they were like yeah, yeah, it comes
Speaker 6: around when it's hot, like this is no big deal.
Speaker 6: They were like they just blew it off like it
Speaker 6: wasn't no big deal, you know.
Speaker 3: But like it's calming down something right now.
Speaker 6: Back then, it was because that particular summer, I remember
Speaker 6: seeing all the newspaper articles on skunk apes that they
Speaker 6: were seeing all over the all over the South Florida,
Speaker 6: not just in Davy, but all over South Florida. And
Speaker 6: they had it the news, the TV, they had it
Speaker 6: on the radio, and they had it in the newspapers.
Speaker 6: And when we had that incident at our development, I
Speaker 6: thought for sure there were newspaper was gonna come and
Speaker 6: everything because we were witnesses to everything, and no one
Speaker 6: ever came. I mean that night they called in the
Speaker 6: state police and the county police and they came with
Speaker 6: helicopters and dogs and horses and everything, and they never
Speaker 6: found anything once the thing got into the swamp. But
Speaker 6: I mean it was you know, I always believed, and
Speaker 6: I always believed from the very first time I seen
Speaker 6: the Patty video when I was like ten years old,
Speaker 6: I said, that's real. That's not a man in a
Speaker 6: monkey suit.
Speaker 10: And I always believe.
Speaker 6: From that moment on, I get vibe. So when I
Speaker 6: get a vibe, I got a vibe when I seen
Speaker 6: that video, and I said, that's the real deal. And
Speaker 6: I always believed it since I was ten years old,
Speaker 6: you know, even though I always thought they were in
Speaker 6: the Pacific Northwest, I didn't think they were down south
Speaker 6: or on the East coast, you know. And then as
Speaker 6: time went on, you know, you get into you get
Speaker 6: into all of this paranormal stuff, and one thing leads
Speaker 6: to another, and you know as well as I do,
Speaker 6: it's all connected.
Speaker 10: And you know, like you.
Speaker 6: Said, the more you research it and the more you
Speaker 6: go out and you experience it, and it's just it's
Speaker 6: it's an amazing phenomenon, especially if you're dealing with a clan.
Speaker 6: That's how do I put it. I say, they tolerate
Speaker 6: me when I'm there, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 6: as long as they continue to tolerate me when I
Speaker 6: go to these locations, I'll continue to go there to research.
Speaker 6: But the last time I was there, I got marched
Speaker 6: out of the woods by a dog man, so that
Speaker 6: was a whole different story. But but no, I mean,
Speaker 6: so I've always believed and then when I seen it
Speaker 6: with my own two eyes you like I tell her,
Speaker 6: everybody don't don't don't believe what I tell you. But
Speaker 6: when you see what you're on two eyes, then you'll
Speaker 6: then then you'll know that what I'm saying was true,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Because that's just the way
Speaker 6: it is. Everybody's like, you know, like from Missouri. You
Speaker 6: got to show me, you show me, show me, you know,
Speaker 6: so when you see what your own two eyes. My
Speaker 6: son's been calling bullshit on me for ten years, but
Speaker 6: he won't come out into the woods with me either.
Speaker 3: Yeah about yeah, because you know, one of the thing
Speaker 3: I was thinking about too, uh that when when I
Speaker 3: had you on here before el you you brought up
Speaker 3: or mentioned And for those who do know him, I
Speaker 3: know him. I spoke to him on the phone before
Speaker 3: and actually interviewed him years ago. David Sheeley, who's also
Speaker 3: ahead of the skunk skunking headquarters down there at the
Speaker 3: museum right. Yeah, he's been He's been featured in magazines
Speaker 3: because and his video footage. I've actually shared his video
Speaker 3: footage a while back. But the one famous video footage
Speaker 3: that he has it shows the skunkate going across this
Speaker 3: Marshy Field and uh yeah, it had tall grass, but
Speaker 3: I think it was the water and marsh through the areas.
Speaker 3: I know that video footage. I want to say it
Speaker 3: came back from it. I don't know. I'm just guessing.
Speaker 3: I don't know without looking into it right now, but
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it was either in the eighties or maybe
Speaker 3: early nineties. It was kind of grainy footage, so I
Speaker 3: know it was old. Whatever it was filled with with
Speaker 3: an old camera of some sort. It definitely wasn't a
Speaker 3: camera phone like we have today, but it was definitely
Speaker 3: used with some kind of old camera footage. But clearly
Speaker 3: see the bipugal figure going across that field, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And of course I know, like every bigfoot footage that's
Speaker 3: out there, it gets it has this age, and a's
Speaker 3: when it comes to CRUI to them, you know, from
Speaker 3: the viewers. You know, you're gonna have your critics one
Speaker 3: way or another, regardless if it is a real deal
Speaker 3: or heard some hopes, I mean whatever, But I believe
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, from what I recall, I believe
Speaker 3: Dave Dave Sheeley really did see something, you know, and
Speaker 3: he's got experiences.
Speaker 6: No, I mean I believe me too. I was listening
Speaker 6: to a woman the other day from the bf RO.
Speaker 6: I was listening to a radio, a rock radio station
Speaker 6: out of Connecticut, and uh, this woman came on and
Speaker 6: she was talking about, you know, bigfoots in Connecticut and stuff,
Speaker 6: and she and they were asking, a, WHI, aren't there
Speaker 6: any you know, photographs of these things and this that
Speaker 6: and the other thing. And I was like, I didn't
Speaker 6: get I didn't call into the radio station or anything,
Speaker 6: you know. I was just saying to myself, Yeah, there
Speaker 6: is there's plenty of photographs of these things, and there's
Speaker 6: plenty of videos of these things. And you maybe you
Speaker 6: haven't seen one ye yourself, but they're out there, you know.
Speaker 6: And then actually, friend of mine and you probably know too, Daniel,
Speaker 6: Chris Reinhardt from Discover Bigfoot, he actually called the radio
Speaker 6: station and he he was rebuttling everything the lady from
Speaker 6: the bfr OS, you know. So I was happy that
Speaker 6: Chris jumped on that, but I wasn't gonna get involved
Speaker 6: in in that argument. I was just saying to myself, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: there's so much video out there. And I was, you know,
Speaker 6: like we had this conversation last time we spoke to
Speaker 6: about all the AI stuff that's gonna happen. Now, it's
Speaker 6: gonna be so hard to debunk and shit like that.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's bad enough with CGI, Now with AI
Speaker 6: it's going to really be crazy. But I get vibes,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. When I look at something,
Speaker 6: I get a vibe. And if I get a bullshit vibe,
Speaker 6: I get a I call bullshit. If I don't get
Speaker 6: a bullshit vibe, I don't call bullshit. Not that I'm there,
Speaker 6: not that I know one way or the other. I'm
Speaker 6: not psyched by any stretching the imagination. But it's just
Speaker 6: just who I am.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, one thing I want to throw in there,
Speaker 3: you know, and I know others have heard me say
Speaker 3: as thing, the same thing too. With what you said
Speaker 3: you get vibes, I do too, and I would. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've interviewed so many people over the years, and here's
Speaker 3: the thing. Have you ever listened to somebody's story and
Speaker 3: get drawn into it, like as you're sharing the details
Speaker 3: and they're telling you everything, they know what happened and
Speaker 3: how it occurred, are you, like, do you ever find
Speaker 3: yourself like you're seeing it happen in your mind while
Speaker 3: they're talking to you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens. That happens to me. Not all the time,
Speaker 3: but it happens to me. When you were sharing your
Speaker 3: story when I had you on here, if you do,
Speaker 3: you know, a few podcasts ago, I was feeling I
Speaker 3: was seeing everything like I don't know, I just this
Speaker 3: video starts playing in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you were you were in the moment. You were
Speaker 6: there in the moment, absolutely right. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 3: Get that with several stories. So and my thing is
Speaker 3: when I get that, when I see that, when I'm
Speaker 3: feeling it like that, I say, this guy is like
Speaker 3: really serious, this guy's like this is really happening. Now
Speaker 3: I've heard others again, I will say this again. This
Speaker 3: does not happen all the time. No, It's like it
Speaker 3: only happens when I feel like when I get this way,
Speaker 3: like this person is the real deal, this is what
Speaker 3: they're really seeing, Like you could always visualize what the
Speaker 3: hell they're seeing, Like you see this creature that they're describing,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like and it puts you there.
Speaker 3: It's like you know what it looks like, you know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what that might what they might
Speaker 3: be called. But it's a strong I mean, the vibe,
Speaker 3: the feel that connect with that person. You're already connecting
Speaker 3: with them, you're feeling them, but then to be drawn
Speaker 3: in and see the story that they're they're describing and
Speaker 3: they're what they cost see. Yeah, it's it's like, I
Speaker 3: just think it's amazing.
Speaker 6: And I mean, you know, it's it's a it's a
Speaker 6: personal connection that you make with the interviewee on like
Speaker 6: a subconscious level because you've been there, you've done that,
Speaker 6: you've experienced everything that they're saying and the way he's
Speaker 6: saying it, he's putting you in the moment and you're
Speaker 6: living you're living his experience, you know, and and that
Speaker 6: and that, and that doesn't happen on every single podcast
Speaker 6: with every single experience or you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Not to say that it doesn't happen those people are
Speaker 6: full of ship. I'm not saying that at all. I'm
Speaker 6: just saying there are some people who can put you
Speaker 6: in that moment where you you just connect on a
Speaker 6: level that's you know, it's subconscious and it's and it's
Speaker 6: a powerful connection. You know, it really is.
Speaker 4: Well, let's right quick, Okay, I'm still just saying on
Speaker 4: that aspect to because when people tell the stories and
Speaker 4: you've had that connection before, you get drawn into it.
Speaker 4: But both of my careers have been in law enforcement
Speaker 4: and many times listen, I'll just use Panama for an example.
Speaker 4: It's happened throughout my forty some years. But when I
Speaker 4: was in Panama, I was a patrol dog hander that's
Speaker 4: a tag dog man DOSSI, and we weren't primarily nighttime
Speaker 4: that's when the fee US try to come on post
Speaker 4: to break into housing, military housing and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: There was not every night, but there was many many
Speaker 4: times to where when I'd be out there on patrol,
Speaker 4: a lot of us took control.
Speaker 2: With Memma Dog.
Speaker 4: You would just get this overwhelming urge to go somewhere
Speaker 4: and many times I'm get goosebumps. Now just think about it.
Speaker 4: I would get that urge now a head where I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about I need to go to and I'll be
Speaker 4: damning something didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Now, it's see at that location.
Speaker 4: Uh, we had a couple of emergencies at that location
Speaker 4: that popped up. It's just happened to put us there
Speaker 4: just before it happens. But a lot of it was
Speaker 4: with the criminal activity. For some reason, it didn't happen
Speaker 4: every night, but there was many times that you just
Speaker 4: get this overwhelming urge. And nothing's routine about patrol anyway,
Speaker 4: just to do your thing every night, you wait for calls,
Speaker 4: you go out and do you do your little surveillances
Speaker 4: stuff in the housing areas down in jungle and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, because they always had trails coming on the posts.
Speaker 2: But every now and then you.
Speaker 4: Just get that urge just to go somewhere, and I'd
Speaker 4: be damn when we did a few minutes later a
Speaker 4: certain amount of time frame, something would happen.
Speaker 10: Yeah, listen to your gut feeling.
Speaker 6: Always listen to your gut feeling, and never stare you wrong.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, and bringing that up for Daniel too, because when
Speaker 11: we're out camping and if you're just sitting there relaxing,
Speaker 11: all of a sudden you get this urge to go
Speaker 11: out into the woods in a certain direction.
Speaker 4: Don't overlook it. Get up and go and see what
Speaker 4: would manifest if anything manifested that point done. Something may
Speaker 4: have been in the area you dis missed it, or
Speaker 4: you may go out and have an encounter like Daniel
Speaker 4: saying if you don't go out specifically looking for it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you get that.
Speaker 4: Urge to overwhelming urge and do something out of the ordinary,
Speaker 4: take that chance to do it. You might be surprised sometimes.
Speaker 4: You know, I gotta dissect everything anyway. I'm not one
Speaker 4: to see every shadow or every tree falling down or
Speaker 4: on the ground stuff is a bigfoot. I gotta I
Speaker 4: guess you could say reverse engineer stuff something. Go from there,
Speaker 4: but work go backwards to see what you.
Speaker 2: Come up with.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, no, you got involved in some things, you got
Speaker 4: human activity involved in some things, and then some things
Speaker 4: that you just can't explain. But I mean you just
Speaker 4: got to look for the answer. Is that before you
Speaker 4: actually come to any kind of conclusion or truth, what's
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 2: And that's what next camp. So we go out to camp, the.
Speaker 4: Camp, camaraderie, camaraderie with everyone we're camping with, have a
Speaker 4: good time, relax, go hiking and whilest amongst all that.
Speaker 2: We're also doing what research that we.
Speaker 4: Can't you know, we're absolutely it's a multi faceted type.
Speaker 2: We know we specifically look for big foot, that's part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: But you we have this whole other element that we
Speaker 4: enjoyed doing while we're out there, and something happened.
Speaker 2: Something happened, some look.
Speaker 6: To looking for.
Speaker 3: Looking for what rock.
Speaker 10: So, Okay, I'm a rock rock rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm well.
Speaker 6: But I get every time I go out on the
Speaker 6: field in the field, if I'm going out for a
Speaker 6: specific thing and I get to the location where I
Speaker 6: want to be, I get pulled. I get pulled. I'll
Speaker 6: get pulled to the to the west side of the location.
Speaker 6: My cousin who works with me, he'll get pulled to
Speaker 6: the left. I'll get pulled to the right. And we
Speaker 6: could be in two separate parts of the of the
Speaker 6: range of the ridge, working our way back towards each other,
Speaker 6: you know, and filming and everything and saying the same
Speaker 6: exact stuff on the videos, not knowing what each other
Speaker 6: because it's just he's very sensitive. He gets he gets
Speaker 6: pulled one way, I get pulled the other.
Speaker 10: And uh. And I tell people like when I say, oh.
Speaker 12: We want to go out, we want to do this,
Speaker 12: or if I'm going out and I want to do
Speaker 12: a certain thing, I say, and I'm going with people
Speaker 12: that I know are like me get.
Speaker 10: Get pulled in different directions.
Speaker 6: They don't pull me off of my direction that I'm
Speaker 6: going to because I have to go here.
Speaker 10: But if you want to go that way, be my guest.
Speaker 10: Go that way, but don't take don't drag me away
Speaker 10: from where I gotta be, because you know what happens.
Speaker 6: You get dragged away from where you were supposed to
Speaker 6: be going, and something really interesting happens there, and then
Speaker 6: you spend all your time there and you never get
Speaker 6: to where you want to be, you know.
Speaker 10: So that's what happens. It happens all the time time
Speaker 10: we go out.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, David, Melissa, you know when we camped that up
Speaker 3: by there over there in the hog Pen area, well
Speaker 3: you know, you know that ridge up behind us, just
Speaker 3: above the little the creek that flowed behind camp, Well
Speaker 3: you know since day one, like well even I camped
Speaker 3: there years ago by myself, well with another individual, however,
Speaker 3: but since I was there. While we were there, I
Speaker 3: was like, I kept, you know, staring up there. I said,
Speaker 3: you know something about the area. I really need to
Speaker 3: check it out. So I found my way to get
Speaker 3: across up that area because I found an old log road.
Speaker 3: It was actually a driveway that goes there actually was
Speaker 3: a house up there, but you can tell the house
Speaker 3: probably only gets occupied and probably during season. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it didn't look it definitely was in. It didn't look
Speaker 3: occupied at the moment. And because there it didn't look
Speaker 3: like there's no fresh tracks of tires or anything up
Speaker 3: the area. So I don't know how often that the
Speaker 3: house I found up there gets visited or whatever. So
Speaker 3: I just kept across. I stayed to the tree line,
Speaker 3: you know, to cut across. And when I finally made
Speaker 3: it across, I had to drop down a little vie
Speaker 3: and it come back up, and that was a little
Speaker 3: challenging because my knees got bad, you know, but I
Speaker 3: managed to because I had I had a determination to,
Speaker 3: like I needed to keep going. So I came up
Speaker 3: above and you know, once I got up on the
Speaker 3: higher ground directly above camp, you know, and that area,
Speaker 3: I was like, you don't know how much I really
Speaker 3: wanted to spend more time up there. But the time
Speaker 3: that particularly time I did make it up there, it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't I had a consider of the time. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: it's going to get dark at such as such time.
Speaker 3: I only have so much time to really explore up here.
Speaker 3: But for what little time I was up there, you know,
Speaker 3: I came across these different structures up there. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't get excited as much on structures as I used
Speaker 3: to when I first started on all this, But some
Speaker 3: of these things stand out and look different to me now.
Speaker 3: You know, it takes a lot to really impress me,
Speaker 3: to intrigue me, to draw me in. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this doesn't look natural, or this doesn't look or on
Speaker 3: the other hand, it looks like, Okay, something took the
Speaker 3: time to put this together, you know. So when I
Speaker 3: find those kinds of things, it's like something tells me
Speaker 3: I got to keep looking for these. But then again,
Speaker 3: my other concern was at that particular time when we
Speaker 3: when I was up there by myself, I said, okay, well,
Speaker 3: I'm way up here. I got to find a way
Speaker 3: back down. I said, I don't want to. I'm already
Speaker 3: so far up this way. I'm not going to turn
Speaker 3: around and go back the other way. Which that was.
Speaker 3: That turned out not to be an issue. I found
Speaker 3: it easy way down. I had to take my time
Speaker 3: come up down and cross the creek. I found it
Speaker 3: easy way to across. But something on that side tells
Speaker 3: me I want to go back there. That's one of
Speaker 3: the things I've been thinking about a lot lately. But
Speaker 3: I feel like there's something up there. I feel like something.
Speaker 4: That that ridge, that exact ridge the line as we're
Speaker 4: missing that. Uh, that encounter that the Pennsylvania couple had
Speaker 4: when we left that day. And if they told you
Speaker 4: that was down by the gate that leads you to
Speaker 4: the lake that you have to walk to. Now that
Speaker 4: ridge you know where they had to camper at, yeahge
Speaker 4: right behind that you went up along and came over
Speaker 4: because I remember you hollering at at one point.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But that same ridge that evening they heard movement
Speaker 4: up there. Uh that did not sound natural like a
Speaker 4: deer or any or anything like that by their words,
Speaker 4: and yeah, really uncomfortable by the type of movement which
Speaker 4: they really couldn't describe that they were hearing.
Speaker 2: It just put them on edge.
Speaker 3: The way of them.
Speaker 4: It's like they tell you. Neither one of them. I
Speaker 4: think they're both retired FBI. I know she is, but
Speaker 4: she's not well versed a wildlife. Uh he is sort
Speaker 4: of uh pretty much. I mean they opened up about
Speaker 4: their encounter and stuff like that that looks pretty amazing.
Speaker 4: I don't know Daniel told you about their encounter or
Speaker 4: I can get to you at some point on that.
Speaker 4: But that same Ridge line that evening, because they left
Speaker 4: the next day. They have plans to leave the next day. Anyway,
Speaker 4: they heard something that made them very uncomfortable moving along
Speaker 4: at ridgeline. That you went up and you had already
Speaker 4: left because you had a pack couple come on back in.
Speaker 2: You left that morning, we left that afternoon.
Speaker 6: That was that the couple that was in the movie,
Speaker 6: the Lake corn Ridge movie.
Speaker 3: No, No, they weren't in this one.
Speaker 6: No, I know there was a couple who's seen something
Speaker 6: down by a gate and and that movie too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I made a separate video on that one,
Speaker 4: uhel for one of his videos they put together. She
Speaker 4: thought it was a bear originally, and she got to
Speaker 4: talk to us, so we got to ask him the
Speaker 4: questions because bears don't run.
Speaker 2: On two feet in the way she described Anyway.
Speaker 4: Then she was pretty much quiet the rest of the
Speaker 4: afternoon because pretty much stunned.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I've seen I've seen I've seen something about that.
Speaker 6: Maybe I've been watching one of your other videos, Daniel,
Speaker 6: where I've seen a woman.
Speaker 10: Saying it was like a bear.
Speaker 6: She thought it was a bear the whole time, but
Speaker 6: it was running on two feet. You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it genuinely affected her, you could tell. I mean
Speaker 1: it really did. I truly believe her story.
Speaker 2: Well, even more so because her husband thought that she
Speaker 2: actually seen a bear.
Speaker 4: So yeah, right, yeah, he went guy's revolver average vehicle,
Speaker 4: and of course you know, he put it on him
Speaker 4: because and it still made that trip to the lake.
Speaker 4: It's about maybe three quarters of a mile walk to
Speaker 4: the woods along the scrabble roads. And then they still
Speaker 4: made that trip, but the conversation didn't take place until.
Speaker 2: They got back from that. Okay, that's you can't really
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 4: Well, after what he's seen and the questions we were
Speaker 4: asking and then watched, he now thinks wasn't the mayor
Speaker 4: probably big foot. They still made that trip up there
Speaker 4: and back, and she'd have known that beforehand. They probably
Speaker 4: wouldn't made.
Speaker 2: That trip up.
Speaker 4: Right, put her on edge. As far as that's that.
Speaker 4: She's pretty much got quiet after.
Speaker 2: That before we left.
Speaker 4: And then her husband he says, well, you're gonna tell
Speaker 4: me half of that, and then he got asking her
Speaker 4: more questions. And I don't know what the conversation was
Speaker 4: after we left because we all had to get back
Speaker 4: and get ready for work stuff like that. But the
Speaker 4: same words, Daniel, they they had they heard something. They
Speaker 4: put them on ends that night.
Speaker 3: If you walked off, well you know that ridge. I
Speaker 3: don't know how else the best explained it. But I
Speaker 3: always even years ago, when I first camp to that
Speaker 3: spot with my buddy Greg and his son met up
Speaker 3: with me and came down there. We can't there. We
Speaker 3: had a park at the gate. The gate was closed.
Speaker 3: We parked up there at the gate and walked our
Speaker 3: camping gear all the way down. But it was a
Speaker 3: good time. I mean I didn't I didn't have too
Speaker 3: much gear. I was able to bring most of it
Speaker 3: in one shot at my tent and whatever a little
Speaker 3: bit I had at that particular time. But something, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I something about that ridge. I felt something.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was really feeling, but something
Speaker 3: told me about that ridge.
Speaker 4: I felt like the ridge is behind And then you
Speaker 4: say there was that one video you made years back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a trackway. We actually found the trackway.
Speaker 4: And there was a there was a couple camping out
Speaker 4: there and the stumping was pushing or hitting the camp
Speaker 4: they were in.
Speaker 3: Well, well here's yeah, here's a little rundown on that.
Speaker 3: So all right, me and Greg, we you know, we
Speaker 3: explored around the area, you know, from where we camp
Speaker 3: that if you go over towards if you're looking at
Speaker 3: the road that runs by the camp site, if you
Speaker 3: go to the right over by where that field is,
Speaker 3: well I had I mean, in the past, I have
Speaker 3: found some you know, deer bones, you know, some you
Speaker 3: know dearbones that were in the woods, and you know,
Speaker 3: you know it's not common. I mean, it's not uncommon
Speaker 3: to find deerbones. But but the particular dearbones I came
Speaker 3: across were like just like, oh, what's the word I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find? They were like really destroyed. They were
Speaker 3: like broke, snapped and twisted. The joints was broken the
Speaker 3: opposite directions. You know, look, your elbow, your elbow only
Speaker 3: goes one way when you've been your arm. Just picture
Speaker 3: your arm going to the opposite direction from your elbow.
Speaker 3: You know what, do you know what I'm saying there?
Speaker 3: These are the deerbones I found, snap and twisted, just
Speaker 3: just from outside of the camp are just basically where
Speaker 3: Paul and his wife were camping at, just beyond just
Speaker 3: over there, just probably twenty thirty feet or so, maybe
Speaker 3: a little further over in the tree line, close to
Speaker 3: the creek. You know, that's that's where I came across.
Speaker 3: But my whole time there, we were exploring. Now, back
Speaker 3: when we camp there, uh back when I first camp there,
Speaker 3: it looked a little different because from where the creek was,
Speaker 3: there used to be more bushes and treelined dividing that
Speaker 3: creek in the camp in the grassy area where we
Speaker 3: camped at. So I noticed it was a little different
Speaker 3: looking when we camp there because I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: where's all the bushes? I mean, maybe people cut him
Speaker 3: down or I don't know.
Speaker 4: Real quick, the forestry division and you've seen whether they're
Speaker 4: clearing out of all the dent ball of steff and
Speaker 4: flinting new trees, right, they did the same thing around
Speaker 4: the little camping area. There's like seven campsites along that
Speaker 4: stretch road road you can camp anywhere back in there,
Speaker 4: just maintained and they out there were now and there
Speaker 4: for overbrushing and trees and stuff that needs to come down.
Speaker 4: And whatnot for the safety of the campus at least
Speaker 4: as much as they can anyway.
Speaker 1: And you remember where the vagrants was in that one
Speaker 1: camp site that was trashed.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, another.
Speaker 1: Reason why they cut back a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so yeah, what I'm saying is like, all right,
Speaker 3: so right, like if you walk behind our camp you
Speaker 3: noticed that that, I guess you go. It looks like
Speaker 3: an old like an old roadway or a log way,
Speaker 3: you know, a clear cut path. You know, well just
Speaker 3: be on there. You know, there used to be a tree,
Speaker 3: like a bush like there used to be these bushes
Speaker 3: that grew just dividing that roadway from the creek to
Speaker 3: where the campsites are. Well almost break. I'm almost certain
Speaker 3: it was directly behind where Paul and his wife had
Speaker 3: their camper and your trucks set up at. I believe
Speaker 3: it was between there and where we were at. That's
Speaker 3: the same general area where I've camped at many some
Speaker 3: years ago, because my buddy I used to work with
Speaker 3: told me about this area, and uh I learned about it.
Speaker 3: If you're an old co worker that lives out in
Speaker 3: Singers Glenn not far from there, well, I when I
Speaker 3: camped there. Now, I'll back up blueit. He told me
Speaker 3: a story, but I'll get to the story shortly. But
Speaker 3: when I camped there. Uh. And then my my buddy
Speaker 3: Gregor and his son at the time, his young son
Speaker 3: at the time, we came out there. They can do
Speaker 3: with me, and we did a lot of walking around
Speaker 3: the general area and coming from the direction from the
Speaker 3: creek leading over to where my tent was. It used
Speaker 3: to be all flat grass right there between where the
Speaker 3: bushes were. And as you guys, you know, like David Wilsson,
Speaker 3: you guys see you guys know the picture in the video,
Speaker 3: and I got pictures of the trackway we came across
Speaker 3: these tracks. These impressions, these you know, they were I
Speaker 3: measured him. They were about between fifty five to sixty
Speaker 3: inch proceeding fifty five to sixty inches apart, you know
Speaker 3: the game, and.
Speaker 4: You used to preak a powder on each one and two.
Speaker 4: It actually showed the path. Is that what you're talking about, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what I had to do because I
Speaker 3: had drug, I had some dry plaster, and because the
Speaker 3: picture without the plaster and you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: see what we saw. So I had to coat them.
Speaker 3: I wanted I wanted him to show up in the picture.
Speaker 3: So that's what I did. I took dry plaster and
Speaker 3: covered each track everyone that we found. And again that's
Speaker 3: when I took out the in the picture. I got
Speaker 3: a tape measure and they were like almost almost sixty
Speaker 3: inches apart. So either it was a long step or
Speaker 3: they were running right right walking. Yeah, absolutely, And so
Speaker 3: I showed this picture to my my buddy Richard. Now
Speaker 3: he was in his he back then, back when I
Speaker 3: worked with him over eight nine, ten years ago. Yeah, Richard,
Speaker 3: he uh, like, I haven't spoke to him in a while.
Speaker 3: I reached out to him a while back. I haven't
Speaker 3: heard nothing back from him. I hope he's okay, But yeah,
Speaker 3: he was. He was in his sixties back back then
Speaker 3: when I worked with him. And again he's the one
Speaker 3: that introduced me to that location and another area not
Speaker 3: far from there as well. But when I showed him
Speaker 3: these pictures and talked to him, told him what I
Speaker 3: found and described the area I was camping in, he
Speaker 3: told me, he said, Daniel, he said, that's the same
Speaker 3: place for me and my wife camp at. They had
Speaker 3: a camper, they had a small camper. I'm assuming it
Speaker 3: was a big you know, it was a small night
Speaker 3: and you know, fifteen to twenty quarter maybe somewhere along
Speaker 3: like what Paul was. Paul and his wife had and
Speaker 3: he said, that's the same exact spot where we had
Speaker 3: our camper. Slapped him bang. You know, it happened twice,
Speaker 3: say one night, because he said it was about two
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning or something banged and shook his
Speaker 3: camper and he ran out of his camper with his
Speaker 3: pistol and he had he had a light. He looked around,
Speaker 3: he didn't see nothing. And after he decided, okay, there's
Speaker 3: nothing around, he went back in his camper. He said,
Speaker 3: it probably wasn't even five minutes later it happened again.
Speaker 3: So what the heck is doing that? I mean, something
Speaker 3: was there and not to mention. He he went on
Speaker 3: to ad there was another younger couple that, uh, there's
Speaker 3: their little boys. He played baseball softball with their grandson.
Speaker 3: They camped further down. Probably you guys recalled, David will say,
Speaker 3: you guys recalled there was a camper way in the
Speaker 3: back of the up down on the end in the corner.
Speaker 3: Well the way he described it, Their camper was way
Speaker 3: down by the before you get to that, you know,
Speaker 3: it was much further down, probably closer to the other
Speaker 3: tree line. But they had a similar incident where that
Speaker 3: happened to them. So I don't know now, you know,
Speaker 3: he didn't see nothing. He's like he didn't. He felt
Speaker 3: there was something there, Something was messing around with him.
Speaker 2: You could be maybe not sit when you're getting to
Speaker 2: cover consilerment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is supposed to, like I said,
Speaker 3: his incident that he told me happened around two o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning. Now some years ago later on. Uh,
Speaker 3: there we was these group of guys. I was over
Speaker 3: in Elk Corn Lake my my other not my trail blazer,
Speaker 3: but my other blazer I used to have. I was
Speaker 3: parked at the bath house that goes into the Elk
Speaker 3: Corn Lake and these guys are in a small pickup truck,
Speaker 3: young guys. They saw my decals on my blazer and
Speaker 3: they saw me standing outside and they they recognized, oh okay,
Speaker 3: I got bigfoot on you, blah blah blah, and they
Speaker 3: stopped to talk to him, and they pull out their
Speaker 3: cell phone and wanted.
Speaker 13: To share these pictures with me, and sure enough they
Speaker 13: showed me this trackway and it was about I'm estimating,
Speaker 13: judging from the pictures, they would probably beginning two to
Speaker 13: three inches of snow.
Speaker 3: Of these large long I don't know, they were probably
Speaker 3: between eighteen and twenty inches of these large humanoid looking tracks,
Speaker 3: clear as could be, in a long straight stretch on
Speaker 3: this roadway. And here I am thinking, okay, this is
Speaker 3: they show me something they got from around here, and
Speaker 3: now I'm like, these are very impressive of me. I said,
Speaker 3: where was this? Was this up here? I said, no?
Speaker 3: They told me the area. They said it is over
Speaker 3: in folks run up by the Hogpin area on one
Speaker 3: of the back roads. And my job on drop. I said,
Speaker 3: what are you serious? I said, man, this monster there's
Speaker 3: a monster out there. I'm telling you, even though we
Speaker 3: didn't witness, there's a monster out there, we got to
Speaker 3: find them. But that's what Yeah, that's what I learned.
Speaker 3: So that's why the area.
Speaker 1: Huh. I was just ahead that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying no, I'm pretty much done now,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, yeah, there's that's one of the
Speaker 3: main areas that I wanted to really start spending, uh,
Speaker 3: spending some time in the area. Even though I know
Speaker 3: that I've had reports and other things that occurred in
Speaker 3: Elk One. Apart from my own, I've heard from others
Speaker 3: the Hawking area has been a a major area of
Speaker 3: interest wherever really wanted to dedicate some time in there. Ever,
Speaker 3: since I can't there and I've learned other things I've had,
Speaker 3: I've heard reports from bear hunters. Now, keep in mind
Speaker 3: bear hunters. We know bear hunters know they're bear right, Well,
Speaker 3: why would a bear hunter see something large, dark and
Speaker 3: hair standing beside a tree peeking out at them? And
Speaker 3: if it was a bear, what don't they recognized as
Speaker 3: a bear? You know? That's another report I've learned about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so bear hunters have claimed to have seen things out
Speaker 3: in that general area. So there's definitely something to do that,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Is I ready to explode here? You got to say?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 9: Speaking of bear hunters, my cousin, my cousin, my nephew, Todd,
Speaker 9: he's a bear hunter.
Speaker 1: He lives back in the Science West, Virginia.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a few.
Speaker 1: Back, actually, it was November nine.
Speaker 9: One of our coworkers at work, he's no longer employed.
Speaker 2: There, but he's incarcerated there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's incarcerated now.
Speaker 2: Oh lord, he was a bear hunter too.
Speaker 1: Now he's a feeling.
Speaker 3: I worked with some of them.
Speaker 9: He informed me one day. He was telling me that
Speaker 9: a friend of his that bear hunts him and.
Speaker 1: His wife had been back at the.
Speaker 9: Hogpen Road area in November and.
Speaker 14: They seen a bigfoot that they had pictures, plus they
Speaker 14: had video, and they'd also found but we have not
Speaker 14: seen them yet. I had given this ex employee, I'd
Speaker 14: given him my phone number to pass on to this
Speaker 14: individual and his wife because we wanted to talk to
Speaker 14: them to try to find out their story and then
Speaker 14: possibly meet them back there so they could show us.
Speaker 14: According to the ex employee, they had seen the bigfoot
Speaker 14: just above Hogpen Road in the field, the open field area.
Speaker 1: And that's why thereby the parking lot area.
Speaker 9: So it's kind of the same place where Shechiryl and
Speaker 9: Paul had seen, you know, where Cheryl had seen what
Speaker 9: she thought.
Speaker 1: Was a bear. No, no, no, that's kind of in
Speaker 1: that area.
Speaker 2: The impressure I get.
Speaker 4: It's in the overlook area when you come up to
Speaker 4: a little overlook where they used to have that.
Speaker 3: Where the gate is. The first game.
Speaker 4: Stopped there and then they've seen it down in the
Speaker 4: field basically with the big camping to the right of
Speaker 4: the area where they've seen it down in the field.
Speaker 9: But I have not heard anything from this guy yet,
Speaker 9: the guy and his wife. I think I'm going to
Speaker 9: try to send them a message here in a couple
Speaker 9: of weeks, because it looks like his mother just died.
Speaker 1: Yesterday.
Speaker 9: I was looking at some of his photos on his
Speaker 9: Facebook page.
Speaker 1: There are two photos of a big footprint.
Speaker 5: Well maybe possibly, but wow, Yeah, apparently they do lot
Speaker 5: of exploring in the woods because he's also got pictures
Speaker 5: of his kids.
Speaker 9: But yeah, there's two photos that I found that are
Speaker 9: possible bigfoot tracks and the one looked like it might
Speaker 9: be pretty heavy.
Speaker 3: Well, do you guys, Yeah, do you guys recall the
Speaker 3: girl April that camped out with us before I had
Speaker 3: to bring her back home? Yes, well she had. Now
Speaker 3: the thing is with the guys she was dating some
Speaker 3: years ago, who she her a couple of kids came
Speaker 3: from him to her twins. Well, I got called. She
Speaker 3: called me back when they were camping. They were camping
Speaker 3: not far from Elkham Lake. They were on the other
Speaker 3: end closer to the scouts Hield side and the location.
Speaker 3: I know exactly whether it because I met up with
Speaker 3: him and she had called me, and of course I
Speaker 3: met up with Brianna, my daughter, Brianna, she was just
Speaker 3: a teenager at the time and she was with me.
Speaker 3: So I met up with them and I investigated them.
Speaker 3: I recorded, actually I got on film. I recorded it.
Speaker 3: There is well, the story they had was they were
Speaker 3: sitting there around camp. Now they never saw nothing. However,
Speaker 3: from where their campsite was. If you if you know
Speaker 3: the equation location, I can tell you it's almost similar
Speaker 3: that particular spot they were at. It was almost similar
Speaker 3: to how our campsite was up by hogged over just
Speaker 3: a little ways, it drops down then you get the
Speaker 3: little creek. Well that's exactly how this spot was. There
Speaker 3: was a creek down at the bottom and then it
Speaker 3: flattened out and went out so far. Well, it was
Speaker 3: at one night one time where you know, they started
Speaker 3: having these small little pebbles being thrown at them and
Speaker 3: they didn't know what the heck that was. You know,
Speaker 3: they kind of, I guess basically they brushed it off
Speaker 3: because it was small little pebbles. They didn't know what
Speaker 3: to think. Then it wasn't until where I think she
Speaker 3: said she claimed she saw a larger rock or was
Speaker 3: whizzing over her head. Everybody was accounted for at the time,
Speaker 3: and I actually had her. I actually interviewed her. She
Speaker 3: was one of my last one of my last recent interviews,
Speaker 3: and I asked her. I said, look, I want you
Speaker 3: to tell you a story. Of course, she's not good
Speaker 3: in going into details, but she did the best she could. However,
Speaker 3: but even though you know, she didn't see nothing, something
Speaker 3: was throwing rocks over into the campsite by the fire,
Speaker 3: and one one of the rocks came over the top
Speaker 3: of her head. It didn't hit her, but she started
Speaker 3: she heard it come in and she saw it and
Speaker 3: then it landed right behind her. And then next you know,
Speaker 3: she wants to go sit and stay in the car
Speaker 3: all night instead of the tent.
Speaker 6: Yeah it works, Yeah, yeah, what do you what are
Speaker 6: your thoughts on feeding them giving them food?
Speaker 3: Well, I actually I love Yeah. Let me kind of
Speaker 3: get to that in a second, because I want I
Speaker 3: wanted to add something to that. Well, April, this is
Speaker 3: a girl's name. Her name is April. She actually seen
Speaker 3: a bigfoot when I think she said she was twelve
Speaker 3: years old or maybe a little oli. She was a
Speaker 3: young girl. But she was with a friend of hers.
Speaker 3: And I know, David Wilsson know this area that I'm
Speaker 3: about to mention, and this is just before you get
Speaker 3: into Matthias, West Virginia. Off for what's that thirty two
Speaker 3: or if looking at six fift whatever it is, but
Speaker 3: over Burton Bergen, Virginia, right before you get into West Virginia. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe when she was with her friend, they were
Speaker 3: on a bike. They were riding down this one area
Speaker 3: and she said she's seen it clear as day. She
Speaker 3: said it came out right of the out of the
Speaker 3: street line while where they were riding your bikes at
Speaker 3: and stepped out and she said they started chasing them.
Speaker 3: She said she had, yeah, but never pursued them. I
Speaker 3: guess they only went so far and never really pursued them.
Speaker 3: But her big first sighting was her first big first
Speaker 3: sighting or her actually only big for sighting to be
Speaker 3: honest with, happened at a young age, her and her
Speaker 3: friend or on a bike together. So but that area Burton,
Speaker 3: you know, that was before May Matthia Swist, Virginia. And
Speaker 3: it's also just out a little bit further outside of
Speaker 3: the Fulk Throne area, as Melissa and David know that area.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that area there the reason I want
Speaker 3: I want to share that with you guys, because you know,
Speaker 3: she swears by that, because she told me about this
Speaker 3: years ago, and I wanted her to bring it up again. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know in the previous podcast, and that podcast is
Speaker 3: the titled they Started Chasing Us was the title I
Speaker 3: named it. So, but uh, there's a story out there.
Speaker 4: West Virginia and Burton and all the there is. I
Speaker 4: mean that it's all connected with the mountain ranges around here.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: Any crypto big foot one ever, I mean they go
Speaker 4: full full range back here to go wherever they want.
Speaker 4: And I'm not one to think I don't know, but
Speaker 4: I'm not wanting to think like they're just gonna hang
Speaker 4: out in one little territory.
Speaker 2: No not, I think I think they move around.
Speaker 6: They got they got a big range, a regular you know,
Speaker 6: just like a regular.
Speaker 10: Pack of wolves has a range of a thousand miles.
Speaker 6: I think of something like that. So if you have
Speaker 6: a plan a bigfoot as big as they are, and
Speaker 6: say they have a large family of six or seven
Speaker 6: they're gonna need a big range, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: And I don't believe that they migrate north or south,
Speaker 6: you know, they don't go south for I think they
Speaker 6: migrate in a circular pattern, so that whenever they start off,
Speaker 6: by the time they get back there, it'll be a
Speaker 6: year later, and it'll give that area time to regrow
Speaker 6: and replenish the food sources there, you know. And I
Speaker 6: think they just move that And I think that's why
Speaker 6: police up here in New York I have different plans
Speaker 6: at different locations at different times of the year because
Speaker 6: they're in that circular migration. So if I go there,
Speaker 6: if they're there in the fall, all the time they
Speaker 6: go there in the summer, they're probably not going to
Speaker 6: be there. They may be at a different location, you know.
Speaker 6: But if I go back in the fall, I know
Speaker 6: they'll be there, and vice versa for the other locations
Speaker 6: as well. So that's the way I think they migrate anyway,
Speaker 6: in the circular pattern.
Speaker 2: It's a food source up in your area, would.
Speaker 4: Would calls in to do that because I'm thinking down
Speaker 4: here Virginia, there's a bund of food year round. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they may not follow that kind of a path where
Speaker 4: some places where they may have to let regrowth take place,
Speaker 4: they could migrate around.
Speaker 2: With a lot of animals to do that.
Speaker 4: You know that they follow you know, the seasons and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know, moving around possibility.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I said, I don't I don't think they
Speaker 6: follow the deers from north to south or whatever, because
Speaker 6: we got plenty of deer in New York.
Speaker 10: I mean that we have all kinds.
Speaker 6: I got my backyard, I have everything under the sun,
Speaker 6: and from turkeys to deer to foxes, you name it,
Speaker 6: we have it. And and you're here all year long,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So, but I think if
Speaker 6: you have, if you have a big plan, a family
Speaker 6: unit like that, you would have to because there's also
Speaker 6: like a one of my locations, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: nut trees and then in the fall, the nuts just
Speaker 6: just millions of different kinds of nuts on the ground.
Speaker 6: And I think they're they're they're collecting those things for
Speaker 6: you know, protein when they can't find any deer or
Speaker 6: turkey or anything in the woods, you know, or maybe
Speaker 6: some of the lakes are frozen or the streams are
Speaker 6: frozen and they can't get a fish or something. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just that's just one man's opinion.
Speaker 10: Don't kill me on that.
Speaker 2: But that's why we're out there to find out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Daniel, he asked about the.
Speaker 6: Gifting I'm talking about. I'm more concerned about feeding and
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like, I know people feed
Speaker 6: them like twinkies and crap like that, and I know
Speaker 6: people who feed them like meat and then these things
Speaker 6: follow them home because they want more meat. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm the type of guy. My opinion again, one one
Speaker 6: man's opinion. Don't kill me on this if you should,
Speaker 6: if you're going, if you feel the need you need
Speaker 6: to feed these creatures. And I don't think we believe
Speaker 6: we need to feed them. But if you want to
Speaker 6: feed them, feed them fruits, fruits and vegetables that grow
Speaker 6: in that area, something they can find all the time
Speaker 6: on their own, you know what I mean, and leave
Speaker 6: the twinkies at home.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I agree, because you know, I've been asked about
Speaker 3: this by several others in the past, and I've always
Speaker 3: shared my honest opinion on this. Again, this is my
Speaker 3: honest opinion and the way I look at this. If
Speaker 3: a lot of people I don't know for some reason
Speaker 3: they want to leave peanut butter and apples. Hey, to me,
Speaker 3: that's your f that's fine, but you're taking a risk.
Speaker 3: Conserned the area you're doing this in. This is the
Speaker 3: area where people camp at. You're habituating a lot of
Speaker 3: wildlfe because you know there's no guarantee that Bigfoot's being
Speaker 3: drawn into this food source where bears and raccoons and
Speaker 3: whatever else. Yeah, you're habituating them. They're being drawn into
Speaker 3: this because bears. I've done this. I've done peanut butter
Speaker 3: with bears before. H well not I wasn't trying to
Speaker 3: get a bears, but I this is one particular area
Speaker 3: in George Washington National Forest here in Virginia where I
Speaker 3: had a large jaw of peanut butter and I I
Speaker 3: was smeared it on different pieces of this area, you know,
Speaker 3: on a stump and broke the limbs and this is there.
Speaker 3: Then I left the whole jard peanut butter. I also
Speaker 3: put a trail camera there so just to see what
Speaker 3: would happen. And here again, this is down by uh.
Speaker 3: I know al won't be familiar with the area, but
Speaker 3: this is the area I've also camped in several times.
Speaker 3: It's down by the Lynhurst area in Virginia. It's in
Speaker 3: the National Forest and the area is brught off of
Speaker 3: that what we know as the Coal Road. And I've
Speaker 3: had some experiences down there too, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: I can share it later. But this one particular area
Speaker 3: where I ferimented with peanut butter. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: people don't realize a lot of animals like peanut butter.
Speaker 3: But I had a trail camera set on this spot.
Speaker 3: And when I retreated my trail camera because of course,
Speaker 3: when I went to go back there, okay, oh, the
Speaker 3: whole jar peanut butter was gone. Oh maybe Bigfoot took me.
Speaker 3: I started reviewing my trail camera pictures and here's this bear.
Speaker 3: Everywhere I smeared peanut butter, because you know, they got
Speaker 3: a nose. They will fall but nose everywhere you put
Speaker 3: whatever you want on it. Of course, everywhere the peanut
Speaker 3: butter was smearing at there's that bear. The last picture
Speaker 3: on my trailer cameras was that big jar peanut butter
Speaker 3: in the muff of the bear running off. He's like,
Speaker 3: I'm taking the rest of this with me, you know,
Speaker 3: And I hear so many people talk about, oh they
Speaker 3: use peanut butter. You know, Bigfoot loves peanut butter. Well, sorry,
Speaker 3: but there's you too.
Speaker 10: I mean.
Speaker 3: So, but with that being said, I I've learned of
Speaker 3: other people putting apples and stuff in up behind areas
Speaker 3: where people are camping at and you know, apples, deers
Speaker 3: love apples. I mean, if you're gonna use apples, put
Speaker 3: them up, you know, based off a wave seen on
Speaker 3: other shows and documentaries, which I think it's a smart
Speaker 3: idea to do. Put your apples up high, set them
Speaker 3: a pie to where you know, maybe it might rule
Speaker 3: out other animals, but even the deer will stand up
Speaker 3: in their high legs or grab that apple if it's
Speaker 3: within the region.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: But with that again, would that be said when you
Speaker 3: use food, food could be very dangerous to the animals
Speaker 3: because one thing that we don't know is we don't
Speaker 3: know if they're allergic to what we what we have,
Speaker 3: you know, because they you know, they might like the food,
Speaker 3: but then again it might cause more harm than asia.
Speaker 3: Second secondly, if it's a predator animal like a bear,
Speaker 3: you know which spar is using on bob Us. But
Speaker 3: if you're going to habituate food, and you're drawing these
Speaker 3: wildlife animals into the area where they're they're being attracted
Speaker 3: to what to what we're putting out there, it's you know,
Speaker 3: and then you get people out there, then there might
Speaker 3: be a conflict. You know, there might be an issue
Speaker 3: because they're going to see the other people think, hey,
Speaker 3: where's this apple, where's this peanut butter? We want more
Speaker 3: of it. You know, we're gonna come test to you
Speaker 3: or maybe cause you harm till we find it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So but then again animal allergies too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to get into all that putting
Speaker 4: food and stuff out and we got enough of an
Speaker 4: issue just trying to maintain what food we take out
Speaker 4: there and try to protect it as much as possible,
Speaker 4: to keep from drawing wild animals in just to the
Speaker 4: camp area self, let alone, like you said, put stuff
Speaker 4: out there in the woods not too far from camp
Speaker 4: and you, just like I said, you're just habituating that behavior.
Speaker 4: Then they're going to start focusing in on campus. Not
Speaker 4: some campus may not you know a lot of campers,
Speaker 4: I mean they don't all certain guidelines and that's expective, right,
Speaker 4: Why enhance the possibility of a dangerous encounter or some
Speaker 4: sort uh FoST will go to the be there.
Speaker 2: Don't don't enhance it, you.
Speaker 6: Know, Yeah, no I would. I don't. I've never First
Speaker 6: of all, I don't do food. But if I did,
Speaker 6: it would never be in any location where there are campers.
Speaker 6: That would be at you know, locations that are far
Speaker 6: off the beaten paths where there are no campers. All
Speaker 6: of the locations that I need, all the locations that
Speaker 6: I that I investigate at are there are no campsites,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It's just you just go
Speaker 6: off up into the woods. There's no legal camping anywhere around,
Speaker 6: you know, set up a tent in the middle of
Speaker 6: the woods and nobody knows you're there, then so be it.
Speaker 10: But uh, there are no campsites. Yeah, I wouldn't do
Speaker 10: that because even if you.
Speaker 6: Just put out apples, right and you bring in deer,
Speaker 6: you're bringing in prey animals. Then you're going to bring
Speaker 6: the predators in after the prey, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: So you put.
Speaker 10: A lot of people in days.
Speaker 6: That's that's stupid. Absolutely, I would never do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. One of the things during
Speaker 3: what I want to say it was during one of
Speaker 3: my group It was during one of my group campouts
Speaker 3: my buddy Tracy, Uh when when it was actually back
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen when I did my first Majors group
Speaker 3: camp out where we actually had her encounter, Tracy, is
Speaker 3: what I mean. We never had no activity around it. However,
Speaker 3: I thought it was the coolest thing that he did.
Speaker 3: He didn't do it near camp. He did it on
Speaker 3: the outskirts of camp, in the back of the woods
Speaker 3: up behind. It was actually in the same area most
Speaker 3: of the David you guys know where we camp. That
Speaker 3: where Melissa got she woke up and got whooked. That
Speaker 3: had the whoops well over along the creek bed way
Speaker 3: up behind there. My buddy Tracey, he had a small
Speaker 3: little dome tent he set up in the back of
Speaker 3: the woods and he kept a little light on the inside.
Speaker 3: Now he didn't do nothing special about it, but he
Speaker 3: did add a trail taper set up on it. You know,
Speaker 3: he thought maybe by leaving a little dummy camp you know,
Speaker 3: set up further away out on the outside of camp,
Speaker 3: just to you know, just to see if there was
Speaker 3: anything that would happen around it, which we never had
Speaker 3: anything on it, you know, which I regardless. I mean
Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping he would because I thought
Speaker 3: that would have been cool to see if anything came
Speaker 3: around that camp. But but yeah, I've done gifting before.
Speaker 3: I've experiment experimented with gifting in a couple of different ways.
Speaker 3: One was I made these little trinkets, like taking yarn
Speaker 3: and putting little beads along the yarn, like making a
Speaker 3: little little cheap you know, necklaces and bracelets and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, where I've left him on stumps uff behind camp.
Speaker 3: And uh see there was another thing. What the what
Speaker 3: was the other thing I did?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: And the holy yeah, that was around elk corn. I
Speaker 3: never got really much on there. I mean I found
Speaker 3: stuff on the ground. I mean that could have been
Speaker 3: from other animals being nosy, and you know, it could
Speaker 3: have been a bear or raccoons or anything, because like
Speaker 3: I said, the trinkets and the little things I put
Speaker 3: together were on top of a dead stump. Then again,
Speaker 3: later on I found them on the ground, but they
Speaker 3: easily got knocked off from or whatever. But another thing
Speaker 3: I've done before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cole was like to take stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially shiny it's shiny. Yeah, for sure. Yeahs
Speaker 3: to do that, Yeah, because they'll get curious, like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's this, you know, the one thing I've done before.
Speaker 3: H Again, this is back in a totally different area
Speaker 3: over back off the coal road. I made a rock stack.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I put the rock stack in a location where
Speaker 3: I've actually got tree knocks in the middle of the
Speaker 3: daytime and my daughter was present with me. I got
Speaker 3: responses to my tree knocks very close. And but this
Speaker 3: particular area I made a rock stack. It wasn't it
Speaker 3: was it was just off the trail. There was a
Speaker 3: there's a trail in this particular particular area, and it
Speaker 3: was well off the trail, and I made a rock
Speaker 3: stack just for the heck of it, you know, playing around,
Speaker 3: and you know, I would visit. I would come up
Speaker 3: and visit that far between a week the two weeks
Speaker 3: at a time, and one of my visits, I noticed
Speaker 3: the top rock was sitting down on the ground. Okay,
Speaker 3: because I know I took pictures of this, I know how,
Speaker 3: I exactly how I had it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is interesting. So I put the top rock back
Speaker 3: on and left. Came back another maybe about two weeks later,
Speaker 3: and came back, the rock top rock was off again,
Speaker 3: but this time I don't know, maybe it was a coincidence.
Speaker 3: There was a very large turkey feather laying on the
Speaker 3: ground right up against that little rock stack, and again
Speaker 3: that top rock was on the ground. So I did
Speaker 3: something different. I said, okay, you know, just entertaining the
Speaker 3: thought that maybe I got gifted, you know, So I
Speaker 3: took that turkey feather, put it on top, and then
Speaker 3: that top rock back on top so it would be
Speaker 3: weighted down so the wind would have blow it off.
Speaker 3: And then again another two weeks later, I came back
Speaker 3: again and the turkey feather was down and the top
Speaker 3: rock was off. Something kept removing that top rock. What
Speaker 3: the heck was doing? So I don't know. Stuff like
Speaker 3: that I find interesting, Uh, you know, I think it's
Speaker 3: entertaining to the mind.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You know, I never end up trail campras set upon
Speaker 3: it on what was doing it? But you know, I
Speaker 3: maybe passed, maybe I should have. But I can't say
Speaker 3: Big for did it because I wasn't. There was no
Speaker 3: evidence to suggest that Big Boot was doing that. But
Speaker 3: I just thought that was quite interesting that something kept
Speaker 3: removing that top rock and even have to put that
Speaker 3: turkey feather back on top, you know. But it was fun.
Speaker 3: I mean I canna say it's stuff like that's fun.
Speaker 3: You know. It kind of entertained the mind, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's something going on here, but you just don't know.
Speaker 4: What when we can't tell the elcorn A couple of guys,
Speaker 4: I think it's that time wrong.
Speaker 2: When I was.
Speaker 1: It was in the spring.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh, how you talking.
Speaker 2: To about that dry stream bed? And a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks later I think it was Bill because I went back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dale came across it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Dale, he was to where they made that stack of rocks.
Speaker 4: The stack of rocks is still there, but he found
Speaker 4: by it some bones that were inertralling.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It looked oh yeah, it looked like a reef
Speaker 3: right something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he described it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he sent you the picture. Yeah, on my phone,
Speaker 1: so I think he had sent you the picture.
Speaker 4: So that's just another intriguing thing that took place. And
Speaker 4: he was a couple of weeks we broke campus and I.
Speaker 9: Had found a rock with clear quarts in it and
Speaker 9: white courts, and I had put that on top of
Speaker 9: my stack and Dale said that.
Speaker 1: That was gone.
Speaker 3: Wow, the stack.
Speaker 9: But some of the stacks had been taken down, but
Speaker 9: my stack was still there, and I think Ron's was
Speaker 9: also and part of Dale's. But yeah, the braided vine
Speaker 9: was in the spot there where we had all done
Speaker 9: our stack of rocks on that stone.
Speaker 3: So you know, looking back at that, you know what
Speaker 3: I find interesting about that was there's one area. Are
Speaker 3: you guys familiar with the where the uh the heck?
Speaker 3: Is it called the wildlife the Wildlife Center or down
Speaker 3: by lynn Hurst, Virginia Wildlife. Yeah, well, yeah, that well
Speaker 3: that's it. I call it Lynhurst because it's going as
Speaker 3: you go down there, you go into Lynhurst, which will
Speaker 3: lead you down to the Colt Road where I camp at, well,
Speaker 3: right where the Wildlife Center is. Now, keep in mind
Speaker 3: if you know that area that's just on the below
Speaker 3: the parkway and it's all not beforeest around there and
Speaker 3: a deep forest. Well I have come across. I got
Speaker 3: pictures of some of these, I don't know, very mind
Speaker 3: blowing structures informations out there. Well, one of the times
Speaker 3: I was down there, I was there's an area there's
Speaker 3: a gate where you can park at gate and you
Speaker 3: walk in and it goes it'll bring you all the
Speaker 3: way to the top of the parkway, which I didn't
Speaker 3: go that far. But I've come across a lot of
Speaker 3: interesting things. I've seen Bobcat tracks and this and that
Speaker 3: if you follow the trail up there. But known me,
Speaker 3: I I don't stay on trails. I venture off. But
Speaker 3: I got a picture I found out in the middle
Speaker 3: of the woods, Like this is like really crazy. I've
Speaker 3: heard of you know, it's believed that Bigfoot does some
Speaker 3: very interesting things. Now you know, I did witness what
Speaker 3: made it. But I got a picture of this. I'll
Speaker 3: have to look it up, but I got a picture
Speaker 3: of exactly what Dale found. At the other campsite where
Speaker 3: we camped that before, by that rock stack, I found
Speaker 3: a very similar woven uh you know, buying thing that
Speaker 3: looks like a reef on the It was laying. It
Speaker 3: was laying flat on the ground deep out those woods.
Speaker 3: I was like, what the heck. I'm looking around like thinking, okay,
Speaker 3: could somebody have made this and dropped it out here?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I know there's no hunting
Speaker 3: up there, well I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 3: hunting is allowed in this particular area because this is
Speaker 3: just this is just past where the Wildlife Center is
Speaker 3: and it's not the woods up there that goes up
Speaker 3: to the parkway, you know. And again this is a
Speaker 3: very interesting area because you know, you know, all kinds
Speaker 3: of wildlife come through the bears. Like I said, I
Speaker 3: come across. I had some pictures of bombcat tracks that
Speaker 3: roam through that had grown through there, and uh but yeah,
Speaker 3: I got pictures of a very identical look of reef
Speaker 3: that Dale came across, so which I you know, I
Speaker 3: thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: So but.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah it is. I mean I wish we had
Speaker 3: some more proof for some kind of daddy to go
Speaker 3: by and say what might have put it there? What
Speaker 3: what might have made it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I mean, is there people that
Speaker 3: are getting through excuse? Is there people that get creative
Speaker 3: and just leave these things around? I mean I was.
Speaker 2: At the location.
Speaker 4: I mean, if it's a big camp site, you got
Speaker 4: people running around everywhere, like the old court and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. To me, that rays is a question mark
Speaker 4: because everybody walks in stream beds. Campsites are pretty much
Speaker 4: close together. Even though supremitive camping and people in and
Speaker 4: out there all day and all night, right, I mean
Speaker 4: believe that leads a question mark in my mind as
Speaker 4: far as lets you go come up with some other
Speaker 4: kind of evidence. Now, now where we where we go
Speaker 4: out at Slate Lick. That's open to the public, but
Speaker 4: you don't have the people coming out there that.
Speaker 3: You doing Elk Court right exactly.
Speaker 4: That's a mile to the lake and it's only open
Speaker 4: for fishing anyway. You can't have boats and nothing.
Speaker 3: Out there exactly.
Speaker 2: People don't make it.
Speaker 4: So it's a lot more quiet out there slate Lift
Speaker 4: and milkres So, I mean I looked at the location,
Speaker 4: so I mean, to me, that's part of my thinking.
Speaker 4: Possible concrete no, possible maybe, but I mean the clips
Speaker 4: out are right there. Uh, who knows, who knows? I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not a question time anyway, concrete proof like there looking.
Speaker 3: Absolutely And that's another reason. Yeah, Well, I mean the
Speaker 3: thing is with the hog Faint area. I I'm I'm
Speaker 3: right now, I'm currently feeling more drawn to that area.
Speaker 3: And that's another reason why I talked to you David
Speaker 3: about Hey, we got to go down by the gate
Speaker 3: and do its overnight steakout or something there, you know,
Speaker 3: even you know a few of us, it's spread like
Speaker 3: team up and pairs of two or something. Its spread
Speaker 3: out and stage radio communication and just stick it out
Speaker 3: and you know, to sit and be quiet and look
Speaker 3: around observe with what devices we have available to our.
Speaker 2: Well the way the way that areas laid out. Uh,
Speaker 2: I mean that'd be great to do. I want to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 4: Uh, but uh, we're gonna have to the people that's
Speaker 4: back at base camp with the radio. We're gonna have
Speaker 4: to stagger everyone to where we got communication. Because if
Speaker 4: I decide to.
Speaker 3: Head up people road.
Speaker 4: To the lake while someone's down by the parking area,
Speaker 4: whoever to the base Camp's not gonna hear me where
Speaker 4: I'll be at, But yet the ones at the parking
Speaker 4: area can. So it'd be like a relay type thing
Speaker 4: set up to where we do have communication, but it
Speaker 4: all may not be directed to one spot. So I mean,
Speaker 4: we we gotta take that look at that aspect of
Speaker 4: it too. So if something would happen or whatnot, we've
Speaker 4: got a way to communicate back and forth. It'd be
Speaker 4: like a relay type thing as far as that, because
Speaker 4: we got that one branch line of radio signals can't
Speaker 4: travel through roll right, And.
Speaker 3: That makes sense if one of the things, if it
Speaker 3: works out in favor. It's one thing I've been looking
Speaker 3: at for a long time because you know, especially with
Speaker 3: the radios that we have, not just not not with
Speaker 3: the ones I have, like you have the Midland radios.
Speaker 3: It was one thing I considered getting, and it looks
Speaker 3: like it would be a great tool to have with
Speaker 3: us because you have the Midland radios. I also have
Speaker 3: a set of Midland radios. I just I actually have
Speaker 3: two sets of them, but one one the doer said, however, uh,
Speaker 3: there there is a I saw her on Amazon. It's
Speaker 3: a Midland base camp set, which would be great to
Speaker 3: have to keep whoever's gonna stay a base camp. They
Speaker 3: should be able to communicate with us.
Speaker 2: You know, you know you still have that ridge that.
Speaker 4: Even the base camp type radio setup is good for
Speaker 4: basically straight line distance.
Speaker 2: If you if you don't have a repeater.
Speaker 4: Top of that red fine, even the base camp set up,
Speaker 4: and you won't be able to hear anyone that's down
Speaker 4: beyond that.
Speaker 2: Or the rig right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there are no repeaters out there. I don't
Speaker 4: care how you have radio service is not going to
Speaker 4: travel through rock. You gotta have a repeater above to
Speaker 4: be able to transmit to and front right.
Speaker 2: You gotta have.
Speaker 6: That, Daniel, David, Melissa, I'm going to go. I had
Speaker 6: a medical procedure today and I was feeling really good
Speaker 6: when I got home, and I told Daniel I hang
Speaker 6: out tonight. But I'm getting tired now, so I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be on you guys, Okay, Daniel, Yeah, I got work
Speaker 6: in the morning. Okay, Dan, Daniel, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 6: It's been a pleasure, Melissa David, but a pleasure meeting you.
Speaker 6: I'm running out again, so I think it's time for
Speaker 6: me to hit the Hey as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, go make some coffee. I'm just joking. I'm just joking.
Speaker 3: I'm just joking. I'm go, Hey, thank you for being
Speaker 3: on here. Al Yeah, I mean, but what you were
Speaker 3: saying makes a lot of sense. It does further it
Speaker 3: plus it would h you know. That's why I like
Speaker 3: you know. I guess there's certain things we need to
Speaker 3: experience experiment with more too. You know, as far as
Speaker 3: all the little trinkets that we have, see it.
Speaker 9: You can't I found that picture of that chord that
Speaker 9: Dale Soccer had seen.
Speaker 3: Oh, go ahead, put it up here again. I'll put
Speaker 3: you guys up.
Speaker 6: On the.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can see it.
Speaker 4: No, you get too much. Oh yeah, the laptop screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he sent a picture.
Speaker 9: It's a bird picture, but it was a picture of
Speaker 9: their stock of rocks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we do need to coordinate a little more
Speaker 4: as far as things that we wanted to do when
Speaker 4: we're out there right setting things out.
Speaker 1: So that was in June of twenty three when that happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's great to go out wing it ninety of
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 2: But the more we keep going out there and stuff.
Speaker 4: And we're pre playing some things and they get the
Speaker 4: stuff prepared beforehand and right and.
Speaker 2: Still there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm here, okay, oh yeah, one.
Speaker 4: My power of things just went to zero. But I
Speaker 4: got a full battery on my laptop. I don't remember
Speaker 4: my laptop off my little generator.
Speaker 3: Here okay quick, yeah, oh no, you're fine, You're fine.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm connected on my phone. I got my power banking
Speaker 3: connected to it right now. Yeah, I'm at eighty two
Speaker 3: percent on my phone right now. So if that's what
Speaker 3: I'm I'm on here with so yeah, I know. Like
Speaker 3: the other thing too, I need to keep in mind,
Speaker 3: uh people's mobibility for example, like I know John and Mary.
Speaker 3: I know Mary's got bad knees. I mean I got
Speaker 3: bad knees too, But as long as I got my
Speaker 3: knee braces, I mean I do fine going out in
Speaker 3: the woods. I mean yeah, I mean I could. I
Speaker 3: can climb up hills and I can still do all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, was just.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like I'm doing it repetitively. I
Speaker 3: could do it. I can still do it. You know,
Speaker 3: I had no problem venturing in deep. There's a couple
Speaker 3: of areas out there. You know, if you guys recall
Speaker 3: walk along beyond the gate as as we head up
Speaker 3: to the lake, if you look up on the hill
Speaker 3: over to the far left, the area up there that
Speaker 3: I can't get drawn to, Like I really want to
Speaker 3: get up here. Look because even though it's way off
Speaker 3: the beaten path, there's a clear spot up like you
Speaker 3: can see it up through the on the far left
Speaker 3: as you're headed towards the lake. But there's the area
Speaker 3: up there I really want to get up because it
Speaker 3: looks like it's a it's a small clearing up there,
Speaker 3: way up on the ridge. It's like a grassy area
Speaker 3: and something. I don't know. I just feel like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that looks like an area that would be an interesting area.
Speaker 3: I mean even if we were to set up a
Speaker 3: camp there or do something, you know, because I mean
Speaker 3: I got small tents. I can camp anywhere, you know,
Speaker 3: or even if it's an area that we could do
Speaker 3: with a stakeout. It like, hey, get up there while
Speaker 3: it's still daytime and it get situated and look examine
Speaker 3: the area and like, okay, hey, this would be a
Speaker 3: great high point to stay up here. You know, listen,
Speaker 3: maybe have somebody else down below on the opposite side
Speaker 3: of that roadway that you know, and maybe form like
Speaker 3: a triangle area, like hey, let's have three teams here.
Speaker 3: You know, we have two to three teams, but coordinate
Speaker 3: with each other. We don't necessarily mean yeah.
Speaker 15: One now doesn't back there. I don't know where it
Speaker 15: cuts off. That's called the loop, Okay. The loop is
Speaker 15: supposed to be a walking.
Speaker 4: Uh trail as well as a horse trail, and it goes, oh,
Speaker 4: it goes up to that area and then loops back around.
Speaker 4: I can't find where it cuts off, because I've never
Speaker 4: really looked yet, but it's called the loop probably and
Speaker 4: looks something up on it. But I wonder if what
Speaker 4: you were looking at maybe might be tied into what's
Speaker 4: called the loop, because maybe those that walk that or
Speaker 4: the horsemen that go back there, uh yeah, and that
Speaker 4: end up going up there too, because I do know
Speaker 4: a lot of horsemen to come that go across that.
Speaker 2: The dam, and.
Speaker 4: I head over to the other side of the lake
Speaker 4: right over in that side too. It's very back here
Speaker 4: on the left hand side. That's called the loop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it comes.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it starts and ends at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know where if you're headed towards the lake
Speaker 3: by the parking lot, well before you get to the
Speaker 3: gate and that little parking spot where you park at
Speaker 3: where you have to hike through, well before we get
Speaker 3: to that spot, you know where the roads off to
Speaker 3: the left. I've been up yeah, Okay, Now I had
Speaker 3: been up that way by myself some years ago, and
Speaker 3: I've only gone up but so far, I've gone up
Speaker 3: to the point where there's a creek that runs across
Speaker 3: the road and it's really rough, you know, and I
Speaker 3: guess if you have a pickup truck or something that's
Speaker 3: you know, you're not afraid to get stuck and you
Speaker 3: can rise through that.
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, even with truck, the further you go
Speaker 2: up in there, the rougheree.
Speaker 3: Gets right, which I've only been but so far, but
Speaker 3: I can recall I've only been up there once. But
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't go so far, but I've been
Speaker 3: up enough to where I actually hiked that area I parked.
Speaker 3: I forget where I parked at. I parked somewhere, or
Speaker 3: I might eating cross over. You know, it depends on
Speaker 3: the vehicle I had at the time. But uh, because
Speaker 3: I know a lot of pickup trucks.
Speaker 4: Go through there, you go, you get into more ravines
Speaker 4: up in there too, And if you don't know the
Speaker 4: area is there, yeah, you can't turned around at and
Speaker 4: you don't want to get in a situation where you're
Speaker 4: gonna have to try to back down that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: It's near too. I mean, you get there's hardly some
Speaker 2: area's two vehicles that going to get around each other.
Speaker 2: Right further up in there you go and.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been working with Amazon and you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: working with Amazon and driving those big vans. I trust me.
Speaker 3: I'm I've I've been down some long driveways out in
Speaker 3: the country, out in Louisa where I had no choice
Speaker 3: right back down. I mean, it's it is ridiculous, but
Speaker 3: I've had I had no other situation, I had no
Speaker 3: turnaround spots, you know, and you know, you get you
Speaker 3: get put in these situations and positions where like, crap,
Speaker 3: I've made it. Like these driveways. Some of these driveways
Speaker 3: I've had to go down before were like a half
Speaker 3: mile or a mile long, and usually there is usually
Speaker 3: there is a turnaround spot. But I know I've had
Speaker 3: troubles and struggles with these locations, and especially around the
Speaker 3: holiday season. You get down to this house and we've
Speaker 3: got to deliver your package to and there's like they
Speaker 3: have extra vehicles there. It's like, oh crap, they got
Speaker 3: you know, these can't be all there there. They got
Speaker 3: to have people visiting. So you park, you dropped the vehicle,
Speaker 3: you drop the package off, and like you look around
Speaker 3: the area like, oh crap, you have no choice but
Speaker 3: to make a monthly point turn around and as big
Speaker 3: as being but so and then things happen from there
Speaker 3: and blah blah, blah. But so yeah, sometimes, yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: some of these long country roads and stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: they can be like you get in a position where
Speaker 3: like what the heck did I do? Why did I
Speaker 3: Why did I take a chance going down here? You know?
Speaker 3: But but sometimes you have no choice. But like with
Speaker 3: my car that I have right now, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you know, it's a small little car, but it's it's
Speaker 3: impressed me since i've had it, you know, hands as
Speaker 3: well in the snow. Even my driveway and part of
Speaker 3: the you know, the road that we live on is
Speaker 3: all ice packed, but it handles pretty well. Yeah, Because
Speaker 3: I mean I gotta take my I take my grandson
Speaker 3: to school every morning, Like today was the first day
Speaker 3: he didn't have like this morning, it was the first
Speaker 3: day he didn't have a two hour delay. So, you know,
Speaker 3: because the weather the temperate that they I guess they
Speaker 3: base everything off of the temperatures and everything, because we've
Speaker 3: been getting some very cool temperatures. I think it was
Speaker 3: it was up in the twenties when I had to
Speaker 3: taken to school today. But you know, yeah, we do
Speaker 3: have some warm weather temperatures coming up. It's gonna be uh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a heat wave here going in the
Speaker 3: next week. We're gonna get into low fifties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more likely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the low fifties are only
Speaker 3: going to be like maybe a couple of days and
Speaker 3: it'll be averaging the maybe around the forties. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I have my follow up appointment next Thursday at.
Speaker 2: The doctor's all, and they're space to, I.
Speaker 9: Guess start scheduling and setting up for my radiation treatments
Speaker 9: sometime in the first of February.
Speaker 3: Okay, and how long you have do you have to
Speaker 3: go through that?
Speaker 1: I got to do that for six weeks?
Speaker 3: Six week, okay.
Speaker 9: I don't know how how many days a week. They'd
Speaker 9: mentioned something about or two, but I've also heard a
Speaker 9: few more days. So I don't know what they're going
Speaker 9: to do until we get there and they start telling
Speaker 9: us about it and how that's going to set up,
Speaker 9: because I don't They also said something about they were
Speaker 9: going to give me a type of a keyfob to
Speaker 9: be able to get in and out to get my
Speaker 9: own treatments done, and I'm like, how are they going
Speaker 9: to do that, because I don't know how to operate
Speaker 9: that equipment.
Speaker 2: You're not people there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if the building is.
Speaker 1: Going to be open, why would I need a fob.
Speaker 4: It's this whole little area people working there. You get
Speaker 4: your pod, you go in, they don't do what they
Speaker 4: need to do, then you leave. They don't have the
Speaker 4: nurses sitting out at this desk and stuff like that
Speaker 4: because they don't have that activity going in and out
Speaker 4: that part that to do the rest of the hospital. Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, strictly for radiation.
Speaker 3: Now are you going to be doing Are you going
Speaker 3: to be doing all this through sin Terra right there
Speaker 3: in Rockingham?
Speaker 1: Yes, it'll be there center there at the hospital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see sin Terra. That's good because if you guys
Speaker 3: had to deal with Augusta County Augusta Health, yeah, that
Speaker 3: would be a waste of time because they I can
Speaker 3: tell you right even they will direct you to like
Speaker 3: u v A or something else. There's Augusta Health. Not
Speaker 3: to get into the hospitals and stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 3: Augusta Health is limited.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Just this is my opinion based off of everybody I've
Speaker 3: ever known that lives erectually and they had to deal
Speaker 3: with major, major issues like Augusta Health is not equipped
Speaker 3: to handle certain things. You know, you.
Speaker 2: Ain't equipped a lot of things either. That's why they
Speaker 2: said a lot of people to UVA.
Speaker 9: Because they don't even know one trauma center anymore. They
Speaker 9: haven't been that since sin Terra Bot. They got rid
Speaker 9: of that, and I think the best of medical did also.
Speaker 9: They are no longer a level one promise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, back when my yeah fill okay, back when uh
Speaker 3: Brianna when she was I think she was like fifteen, fourteen,
Speaker 3: fifteen years old maybe back when her she had her
Speaker 3: appendix erupted, and yeah, I mean she was brought to
Speaker 3: Augusta Health and they immediately when they realized what happened,
Speaker 3: they flew her a rushed her whatever. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they flew her Okay, I was out of state
Speaker 3: at the time, but they flew her rusher to u
Speaker 3: v A. And of course she was at.
Speaker 1: The center that's where the yeah, under their VA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. And once I heard she was at UVA,
Speaker 3: I felt like that was like to me, that was
Speaker 3: like comfort, you know, because u v A. And then
Speaker 3: like where she was born at she was born at
Speaker 3: mcv out Richmond in the city of Richmond, and uh
Speaker 3: between u v A and m c V. Those hospitals
Speaker 3: there they deal with It's like they're more advanced and
Speaker 3: plus that you have like your medical college students that
Speaker 3: are there, and yeah they are. They've given the patients
Speaker 3: more attention and and you know, you're not ignored, you know,
Speaker 3: and they care. I don't know, just mean they put
Speaker 3: more care into the patients, you know. So but but yeah,
Speaker 3: my daughter she was born in Richmond. You know, uh
Speaker 3: MCV hospital, you know, which is the Medical College of
Speaker 3: University of Richmond. But yeah, uh oh man.
Speaker 16: But yeah, yeah, I I at least since terror, the
Speaker 16: rich the Harrisburg hospitals, I always thought they were pretty
Speaker 16: good on the most part.
Speaker 3: From what I mean, I've always heard good things about them,
Speaker 3: so s tera. Yeah, I guess it depends on what
Speaker 3: the problem is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I gathered. What I'm thinking is when you
Speaker 4: get into your more specialized stuff, they got pretty good people. Yeah,
Speaker 4: general type care, that's where you get a lot of.
Speaker 9: Complaint from because you're gonna be waiting.
Speaker 2: For wow, because a lot of people have a lot
Speaker 2: of problems there.
Speaker 4: But I'm thinking it might be more of a general
Speaker 4: care type, not any kind of specialty like what Melissa's
Speaker 4: going through, or more people's issues they may have. I
Speaker 4: think they probably got pretty good people in there taking
Speaker 4: care of that stuff. But the general care people in
Speaker 4: and out all the time. I think that's where a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of the problems are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because some years ago, you guys remember what the
Speaker 3: old r m H Hospital was right right there by, yeah,
Speaker 3: more downtown. Yeah, I heard rumors that they were considering
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they did in some ways, but
Speaker 3: I heard that they were actually gonna use or start
Speaker 3: using the university like medical. They were going to use
Speaker 3: it to like a medical uh like kind of like
Speaker 3: MCV or UVA. They were going to have college students involved,
Speaker 3: which I was like, oh, okay, they're going to turn
Speaker 3: into it like an MCV or a UVA kind of hospital.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if they've ever done anything
Speaker 3: like that. Were Well, if that was the case, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe some years down the road, that would have like
Speaker 3: improved their quality of their their facility.
Speaker 9: But the old Armate emergency room that was turned into
Speaker 9: it's like a doctor's clinic for the jam U students.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, So maybe.
Speaker 9: Some of the nursing classes and stuff, the pre med
Speaker 9: and all that that's taught there. On the other part,
Speaker 9: on the newer part of what used to be arm
Speaker 9: age that was built. They had built the cancer center
Speaker 9: there before they sold it to jmu R.
Speaker 1: And that part they didn't tear down.
Speaker 9: They tore down the older part that they left the
Speaker 9: emergency room, but the part where the over next to
Speaker 9: where the parking lot was the big parking deck that
Speaker 9: they tore down and stuff and rebuilt and they changed
Speaker 9: it so much. Yeah, it's now for students. It's like
Speaker 9: doctors' offices for students and stuff. They go there when
Speaker 9: they have their hangovers and bloody noses in their fight
Speaker 9: for the black eyes and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's where they go to seek their medical care now
Speaker 1: instead of going to arm.
Speaker 3: H Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: From Cantrail. I think Cantrell Avenue, I believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, I know
Speaker 3: the general area there. Yeah. So uh a random thought.
Speaker 3: It's more of a random question. And this is bigfoot related.
Speaker 3: But what would you guys think. I mean, I've heard
Speaker 3: so many different things on this, uh, but this has
Speaker 3: been a topic in the past. I haven't heard of
Speaker 3: anything anyone discussing this in a while, But what would
Speaker 3: you think, Like, say, for example, I'll give you an
Speaker 3: illustration and kind of throw it out there, what you
Speaker 3: guys would think from there? Say, we're out in the
Speaker 3: woods and we're exploring, and we're whatever we're doing, we're
Speaker 3: looking for bigfoot evidence. But what would you got excuse
Speaker 3: you on bourbon? What would you guys? What would you guys? Yeah,
Speaker 3: damn blue Moon because I just took a tip of
Speaker 3: it before I asked this question. But so, yeah, we're
Speaker 3: we're walking along, we're exploring out there in the woods,
Speaker 3: and what would you guys think or do or how
Speaker 3: would you react if we came across the remains that
Speaker 3: they bigfoot or a Sasquatch body, or the remains of one.
Speaker 3: I mean, what would what in your honest opinion, like
Speaker 3: after going through the shock and surprised you like, WHOA
Speaker 3: realizing what we just came across? What would you How
Speaker 3: would you guys go about that? Like, what would you do?
Speaker 1: First off, photograph it?
Speaker 9: That be respectful because I guarantee you they're watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would photograph and try.
Speaker 9: To document as much as I can, But no, as
Speaker 9: far as removing anything Uh huh.
Speaker 1: That's something that the biggest question is.
Speaker 2: To go public or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what he's getting at.
Speaker 17: That's because what's gonna have so many things If he
Speaker 17: will loose if it took something I got public, you're
Speaker 17: gonna have the government get involved.
Speaker 4: They can shut down the entire area for if god
Speaker 4: knows how long. Then you have people come out of
Speaker 4: the woodwork hit in the woods. Unless the government stops
Speaker 4: all of that, there may not be no more camping
Speaker 4: at that location stuff forever.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because that will definitely come to an end. They
Speaker 9: will come in and confiscate everything.
Speaker 4: That's that that that's a difficult military that that that's
Speaker 4: a difficult question to answer.
Speaker 2: Then if if if keep it on the download.
Speaker 4: And then make necessary call to where everything's kept secrets
Speaker 4: and they come in and clean the area up and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, if they haven't already done so in
Speaker 4: the past, and everything goes on as normal and stuff,
Speaker 4: you keep on with your research to keep on finding
Speaker 4: what you can after that stuff. I don't think that
Speaker 4: if that would happen that the research will stop.
Speaker 2: For a lot of people.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just another element getting out there in
Speaker 4: the wood and collecting data and evidence and and and
Speaker 4: a way of life for another creature that nobody really
Speaker 4: knew existed or felt existed or no existence.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a difficult question.
Speaker 3: And you.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't even believe.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they would absolutely exactly. You're always going to
Speaker 3: have and all the negativity and this and that, because
Speaker 3: there's some people that it's stuck in their mind that
Speaker 3: you know, for non believers, that's b asid. It's a joke.
Speaker 3: It's a hoax, you guys called blah blah blah. But
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I'm gonna tell you one thing I'm not going
Speaker 4: to do is take a fifteen by thirty foot hold
Speaker 4: to bury the black Man.
Speaker 3: That ain't gonna no.
Speaker 4: When I was suggested, I just like coper authorities, keep
Speaker 4: the location secret. Just get them out there and let
Speaker 4: them do their thing and whatnot. Now you've done much
Speaker 4: to done. I'm not in to it become rich and
Speaker 4: famous and all that other stuff and whatnot. Right, Uh,
Speaker 4: it's just another chapter closed, But it also opens up
Speaker 4: many more chapters after that because possibilities of other things
Speaker 4: existing now that that's been proven, and then again there's
Speaker 4: still a lot more to know. Even if you did
Speaker 4: find the body of one, it's still a lot more
Speaker 4: to know about them, right, But I just.
Speaker 2: Got a fund in fee.
Speaker 4: The government gets involved in something like that, and the
Speaker 4: whole area might be all limits of people going in
Speaker 4: for god knows how long, if not forever, and that
Speaker 4: could change the makeup of a lot of different things
Speaker 4: on the country.
Speaker 2: And stuff like.
Speaker 4: That's where they're supposed to have signings, and you get
Speaker 4: the big wings involved in.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I think I won't know how to react until that
Speaker 9: situation would arise.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, The other instances could be completely different.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to find.
Speaker 3: It may never happen. Yeah, it may never happen. But
Speaker 3: thinking of the top of my head, I mean me personally,
Speaker 3: I mean, if the way I look at this, I mean,
Speaker 3: because I've heard somebody people share their endpoint on this,
Speaker 3: but I think I personally would record the whole like, Hey,
Speaker 3: here's a body of what the heck we came across.
Speaker 3: This is a body of what we believe to be
Speaker 3: a sasquatch. And meanwhile, I'm filming it, and I'm documenting it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: I'm going to try my best to collect what data
Speaker 3: I can from that, regardless record myself collecting. Hey, I'm
Speaker 3: cutting off his hairs or look, here's his hand. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna cut off a finger, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, here's some remaining like it's I don't know.
Speaker 3: We got a skeleton, you know, we got hair, We
Speaker 3: got this layer of his body here, I'm gonna I mean,
Speaker 3: if there's hair available, I'm gonna collect as much hair
Speaker 3: as possible.
Speaker 4: You know, we're the kind of like the Holy Grail.
Speaker 1: Right, we come across the Holy Grail. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: I mean, because if they've been around, if they're all around,
Speaker 4: they've been around, as have been, they probably take care
Speaker 4: of the role.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree, because I mean, with
Speaker 3: that being said, I agree. I My honest thoughts is
Speaker 3: I believe they dispose and bury their own dead.
Speaker 4: I mean, elephants, when they know they're going to die,
Speaker 4: they go to elevant graveyards themselves. You very rarely find
Speaker 4: one out in the middle of the tunther somewhere. Right,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of animals that do that. And we're
Speaker 4: not talking about Postr's animal. Let's I'm talking about the
Speaker 4: natural behavior of wild animals in general. Elfants are known
Speaker 4: to do that. There's grounds where elephants now if they're
Speaker 4: becoming to their end of their life, that they will
Speaker 4: start to migrate too for that for that end time.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm glad you said that, David, because
Speaker 3: you know what, I can tell you Two common animals
Speaker 3: that we know for a fact that do you exist
Speaker 3: and they are known to do this to themselves as well. Bears, Yeah,
Speaker 3: bears and mountain lions. Because a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: realize this, Like you ever asked a question like I
Speaker 3: get this question a lot from skeptics, So, well, if
Speaker 3: Bigfoot exists, why don't we find remains? I said, well,
Speaker 3: you know bears exist, right, you know, mountain lions exist.
Speaker 3: But show me the evidence of one that's died of
Speaker 3: natural causes, show me the remains, you know. And that's
Speaker 3: what I've phoned that back up people, and it's it's
Speaker 3: it put It kind of gives a stumbling block. They're
Speaker 3: like they're like, what they're thinking about what you're asking
Speaker 3: on the phone back And then it's like, oh shit, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, there's very few reports of bear remains found
Speaker 3: in caves and their remains, I mean, these are like
Speaker 3: ancient k's that they might find old bear, you know,
Speaker 3: from hundreds of years ago. But it's very, very extremely
Speaker 3: uncommon to find the remains of a bear or a
Speaker 3: mountain lion just died of national causes. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've seen dead bears on the side of the road
Speaker 3: that got hit by cars, you know, right up the
Speaker 3: road from where we lived here. I've seen bears on
Speaker 3: the side of the road hit by cars. You know,
Speaker 3: we're right on the base of the mountain. Bears come
Speaker 3: through here all the time. We've got bears that passed
Speaker 3: through my backyard, you know, you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: and I've seen bears out in the National forest during hiking,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean broke day and night. They're out there.
Speaker 3: I've seen them. I've been close to some of them,
Speaker 3: and most of the ones I've seen were always in
Speaker 3: the distance, but because they've already seen or smelled the
Speaker 3: you know, before you spotted them. But so, I mean,
Speaker 3: with that man said, I just feel like people got
Speaker 3: to understand that there's animals out there that, like you said,
Speaker 3: when their time of death is upon them, they know
Speaker 3: they're ill, they go into hiding. They'll go into a
Speaker 3: deep or finding a place to spend their remains the
Speaker 3: remaining time before they die off, and then again once
Speaker 3: they do die off, and then you got all these
Speaker 3: other animals and critters and animals that will scatter their
Speaker 3: bones and remain, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and pretty much say that about any of all
Speaker 4: how many times you come across from the boxes down National.
Speaker 3: Right, I can't recall every I found. I found raccoon
Speaker 3: skulls and stuff bef for, but that's about it.
Speaker 2: You know that from a predator killing the raccoon too.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I found that I found deer, deer, jaw bones, raccoons,
Speaker 3: skulls all in creek beds. You know that that could Yeah,
Speaker 3: all that could be from like coyotes and.
Speaker 11: Stuff, you know, so.
Speaker 4: Exactly. I mean that stuff's going to be a given.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean that that's a good question. You know,
Speaker 4: what would you you would?
Speaker 9: You got to think too, if you come across a
Speaker 9: complete body, decomposed.
Speaker 1: Stal remains, it's going to look a lot like us
Speaker 1: in a way. It's gonna look like in a way.
Speaker 9: Uh, how would you feel if you've seen that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we don't know.
Speaker 3: Exactly know, right, I hear what you're saying, But this
Speaker 3: sounds this might sound crazy, But I, in my honest opinion,
Speaker 3: if I found if it was mainly just the bones
Speaker 3: and the complete skeletal layout, I'm thinking, I'm just thinking
Speaker 3: on myself, like, yeah, I'm gonna collect that skull. I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm like a bone tradition, and I mean
Speaker 3: I'm like a bone collector because I've come across deer sheds,
Speaker 3: deer sheds, I got a I got a skull of
Speaker 3: a bear that came across at the woods, you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, I was like, all, that's right here
Speaker 3: in the house, right here I got was like that
Speaker 3: I have deer or anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, I liked it pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, I mean I found other Yeah, I got
Speaker 3: the bear skull in it's here in the living room.
Speaker 3: But then I've come across all the bear bear fields
Speaker 3: out in the woods. When that kind of you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, not that I found the remains of the bear.
Speaker 3: I found the tough you know, clusters of hair and
Speaker 3: and blood you know, from a bear whatever killed it,
Speaker 3: but that was up around Elk one that could have
Speaker 3: been from a group of coyotes, because I will tell
Speaker 3: you I know coyotes will team up on a small bear.
Speaker 3: I had found bear. I found coyotes scat with bear
Speaker 3: hairs all through it, and I was like, I found
Speaker 3: that on like three different occasions, and every time I
Speaker 3: found it still blowing my mind. I said, Wow, it's
Speaker 3: either a young bear or a bear that was ill
Speaker 3: or I don't know, but these coyotes are.
Speaker 2: Visious the time of the year for something.
Speaker 4: Season two is one hundred co won one that couldn't
Speaker 4: have found that e was too and then the coyote
Speaker 4: just got a whole other right, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: there's a lot of variables.
Speaker 9: Could be kind of interesting though, you know, if we
Speaker 9: would happen to come across something like that, because I
Speaker 9: would at this point consider bigfoot to be like an
Speaker 9: apex predator. And if it is d csed lying in
Speaker 9: the woods with the rest of the wildlife even touch
Speaker 9: it or would they steer clear of it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question concerning even if.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be one quick investigations, I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: the hell out of dodge because.
Speaker 2: The finger there might be one to come down there
Speaker 2: and take you with me. I was there probably watching,
Speaker 2: or I.
Speaker 3: Would have been like, I'll be like, uh, David, like
Speaker 3: say we found it together. I was like, I'm looking
Speaker 3: at you, David. I'm like, do you have any connections
Speaker 3: with the law enforcement that would deal with the investigations
Speaker 3: like this? You need to get them out here.
Speaker 2: Laughing call them on the damn pone anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my aunt and I and she shine.
Speaker 9: They shine lights into the woods at night around the
Speaker 9: perimeter of their yard. They will not go in their
Speaker 9: yard at night anywhere Nearyork would what They've done that
Speaker 9: for years? They've done that for years.
Speaker 3: Is there something that they fear? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: They just never came out and told you why they
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: No, but I don't know. I don't know if she would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the worst, the worst case scenario. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like asking a question, like it
Speaker 3: doesn't sound crazy. It's like asking a girl out for
Speaker 3: a date or like the worst case scenario, she's going
Speaker 3: to say no, yeah, and I'm not and don't be
Speaker 3: afraid of rejection. That's one thing I learned growing up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 9: I would kind of like to ask my nephew sometime
Speaker 9: because you know, he goes bear hunting all over Rocky County,
Speaker 9: Hardy County, all kinds of places he goes bear hunting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see him enough to ask him. I
Speaker 1: see him maybe once.
Speaker 9: A year, but that would be interesting see if they've
Speaker 9: come across anything they can't explain.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only bear hunter that I've ever really
Speaker 3: spoken to that I know I met personally David you
Speaker 3: know him Cole Cole McCoy, McCoy, Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 3: most you know, I've had conversations with him back the course,
Speaker 3: and of course the only thing he's ever shared with
Speaker 3: me is like, you know, up around Elkorn Lake. He
Speaker 3: won't tell me where, but he's like he's got game
Speaker 3: cameras out there, like Sally your or game cameras or
Speaker 3: you know, he shared he's supposed to shared pictures to
Speaker 3: be He's like, yeah, I got this coyote here, I
Speaker 3: got this deer here, you know, but he's never shared
Speaker 3: anything out of the ordinary, although you know, he knows
Speaker 3: that there's some big bears here in Virginia because his
Speaker 3: mother lives up over there down past Chorando. Now he
Speaker 3: has showed shared a picture with me of this massive bear.
Speaker 3: He got a camera up there. I know there's big
Speaker 3: bears here in Virginia. I've seen him myself, you know.
Speaker 3: And I've seen especially, you know, the little Mountain store
Speaker 3: right outside of Elkham Lake. I've been up there during
Speaker 3: you know, while I was camping, and I would spend
Speaker 3: time up there getting lunch or doing whatever, hanging up
Speaker 3: there at the store. And during the bear seasons, I
Speaker 3: would see the bear hunters come up there and check
Speaker 3: your bears in. And I've seen four hundred plus pound
Speaker 3: black bears being checked in. And I mean I've seen
Speaker 3: bigger bears across the road on me before I came
Speaker 3: out of that area, you know. So I know there's
Speaker 3: some monster black bears in Virginia. Years no denying that.
Speaker 1: His friends on Facebook with my nephew Todd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to pick. I used to pick. I
Speaker 3: used to pick. Yeah, I used to give I used
Speaker 3: to give cold, uh like a hard time. I used
Speaker 3: to pick on him. I was like, I said, you've
Speaker 3: got you know, you've got a good group of hounds
Speaker 3: that get the treat these bears. That's the why. Why
Speaker 3: do I see every time you used to shoot a bear,
Speaker 3: it's a baby. It's a small little bear. I said,
Speaker 3: we got bigger bears from this out here. I said,
Speaker 3: why don't you let them grow and get the bigger one?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I used to pick on him. I said, we got
Speaker 3: a bunch bigger bears. Let them have some time to
Speaker 3: grow up. So I was like, he knows as well
Speaker 3: as I do. We got some big bears here, you guys,
Speaker 3: you can be doing better than that. I used to
Speaker 3: pick on a lot about that.
Speaker 9: As my nephew is friends also with that guy that
Speaker 9: I was telling you about him and his wife seeing
Speaker 9: the bigfoot there on the Hogpin Road area. M. Yeah,
Speaker 9: he's friends with him too, Yeah, friends with this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, David, you remember you showed me a picture somebody
Speaker 3: you know, or somebody you work with, or somebody I
Speaker 3: don't know. There's somebody you know that shared a picture
Speaker 3: of a track and you sent it to me one time.
Speaker 3: And yeah there was Yeah, there was some lease on
Speaker 3: the ground there. I mean, I'm almost certain that that
Speaker 3: was a bear track, even though it was partially it
Speaker 3: was partially covered up but looking back and from what
Speaker 3: I recall on the track that had been just a
Speaker 3: fairly dens like bear track.
Speaker 1: I think you told her that from Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: it's probably just a bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, I'm not denying that there's there's mountain lions
Speaker 3: in the area. From what I've heard from several sources
Speaker 3: that the hog Pin area and the Fox Running area
Speaker 3: is it has been known for a lot of mountain
Speaker 3: lion sightings. I have heard of this before by several sources,
Speaker 3: including to the same visual who who introduced me to
Speaker 3: that area. Now, he's he's a big skeptic and believed
Speaker 3: there's something out there because he shared a couple of
Speaker 3: stories from when he was younger, back when he's a
Speaker 3: walk a lot of the back roads in the woods
Speaker 3: out there. But he's had things, he's seen things out
Speaker 3: there that he can't explain, you know. But he's also
Speaker 3: back when I worked with him, now, he told me
Speaker 3: that some farmers up the road from I don't know
Speaker 3: if he still lives in the same farmhouse or not,
Speaker 3: but from where he lived at in Singers Glenn, Uh,
Speaker 3: there were some Emmonite farmers that lived not far up
Speaker 3: the road from him. Uh, he apparently he was good
Speaker 3: friends with the farmers, and the farmers that called him
Speaker 3: to the house after explaining what was going on, because
Speaker 3: apparently the farmer had gone out to uh he sparted
Speaker 3: he he notices battle out in the backfield were in
Speaker 3: a hurle in the middle of the night. There was
Speaker 3: they were like haul hurdled together, and he felt like
Speaker 3: there was something going on there. So he came back out.
Speaker 3: I think he was came out in his pickup truck
Speaker 3: or on one of his fool wheelers or whatever it
Speaker 3: was he was in. I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 3: But he was started shining a light around and he's
Speaker 3: seeing he set of eye shine over in the corner
Speaker 3: of the field, just inside the field, and he's like
Speaker 3: he apparently he got a good look at what he
Speaker 3: was seeing. He couldn't believe what he was seeing. Apparently
Speaker 3: it was a it was a mountain lion in the
Speaker 3: corner of the field, just staring there. And uh. That's
Speaker 3: when the next day he called my buddy Richard, he's
Speaker 3: a rister, you could come out here. He said, I
Speaker 3: have a mountain lion that was in the field, and
Speaker 3: my my cattle were you know. He explained what he saw,
Speaker 3: how he knew his cattle were acting weird, and he
Speaker 3: knew there was something going on until he saw what
Speaker 3: he saw in the corner field. Well, apparently he was
Speaker 3: telling me about this. After he went and investigated. He
Speaker 3: searched the property. He went back to the field and
Speaker 3: he found tracks. He opened up his You know, you
Speaker 3: take your hand, you call me hand. You spread your
Speaker 3: fingers apart and open up your hand, he says Daniel.
Speaker 3: He said, the tracks, And I wish he had pictures.
Speaker 3: I really wish he had pictures of this, because Richard
Speaker 3: his hands were as big as mine, if not bigger.
Speaker 3: And Richard showed me opened up his hands that the
Speaker 3: tracks I found back in that field were as big
Speaker 3: as my hand opened up. I said, are you serious?
Speaker 3: He said, I'm not hesitating, I'm not exaggerating. I'm serious.
Speaker 3: He said he had a mountain lion on his property,
Speaker 3: because I mean, that's what the claim was from the
Speaker 3: farmer himself. But yeah, Richard confirmed it when he found
Speaker 3: the tracks. I said, wow. Now keep mind, that's just
Speaker 3: on the what I would say, the east side of
Speaker 3: the mountain from where it falls front is, you know,
Speaker 3: and I've heard stories along the area before he said,
Speaker 3: you know, I've heard other people talking about there's mountain
Speaker 3: lion signings left and right out there, but you don't
Speaker 3: you know some of the reports I've heard from based
Speaker 3: off of my blog that was it was it my
Speaker 3: blog because I put out of blogs from years ago
Speaker 3: about mountain lions looking for sightings. Most of the reports
Speaker 3: I got were, uh, like on the east side of
Speaker 3: Scott you know, the Blues Mountains from me, but I
Speaker 3: found a blog site that was a public reporting. Most
Speaker 3: of it came out There was a lot from Augustin County,
Speaker 3: but majority of them came out of Rockingham County, you know.
Speaker 3: And I have to look at it. I have to
Speaker 3: see if I can look that up again. But a
Speaker 3: lot of reports of mountain lion sidings came from a
Speaker 3: Rockingham county, which I was like, wow, you know, and
Speaker 3: most of these people, these are people that grew up
Speaker 3: out here, you know, especially these mountain people that grew
Speaker 3: up around the mountains and know the wildlife.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: And what gets me is again, even camping around Elkhorn Lake,
Speaker 3: I've had many discussions with game warders and these officers
Speaker 3: to come out and check on your campsite. Well, the
Speaker 3: one time back when Julie was with me, I think
Speaker 3: it was at the end of our camp and well,
Speaker 3: you guys are can't with us. Everybody has gone. Me
Speaker 3: and Julie had like two or three more nights there,
Speaker 3: And of course I was We're sitting there, We're sitting
Speaker 3: outside of the tent, and here comes the officer pulled
Speaker 3: into the campsite, young guy. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know there, I told you, he's just checking on us.
Speaker 3: He's fine. And then he comes out walking. He's a
Speaker 3: real nice guy, and we getting talking about this and that,
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, okay, I'm thinking, beout. I gotta
Speaker 3: ask him. I got to ask him. I asked every
Speaker 3: other one I got to ask that. I never met
Speaker 3: this guy before. I met several other officers out there,
Speaker 3: never met this guy. Most of these guys I talked
Speaker 3: to our older gentlemen. They've been in this been in
Speaker 3: with the department for a long time, and I've heard
Speaker 3: their stories and heard how they how they will, how
Speaker 3: they will reply to you. So I was curious. I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, we got him talking, even brought
Speaker 3: about Bigfoot. You know, we started off talking about bigfoot,
Speaker 3: you know, wildlife, this and that, and I was like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: I got to ask you, what do you know about
Speaker 3: mountain lions out here? And then immediately he did not
Speaker 3: hesitate his story. His reply was on script. It was
Speaker 3: right on script. I was like, I'm listening to him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not saying nothing, I'm just listening to him.
Speaker 3: I'm just taking it all in. And as he's talking
Speaker 3: and explaining things where he is Yep, they all have
Speaker 3: the same reply, same exact reply. It's like, this is
Speaker 3: what they've been trained it. You know, they will tell
Speaker 3: you that they're doing do not exist here and this
Speaker 3: and that, and they'll get into all this explainer how
Speaker 3: things are misinterpreted, mis explainings identified, and blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and that's okay, okay cool. And I you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't argue with him. I was just, you know, I
Speaker 3: just wanted to hear his response. But you swear, you know,
Speaker 3: based off everything I've heard from every game boarding or
Speaker 3: officer that came out there, they're trained to give you
Speaker 3: an explainer in the explanation, and so I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I just let it go. In one year and out
Speaker 3: of the other. So I've heard this before. You ain't
Speaker 3: nothing different. You know, you're young. This is the again.
Speaker 3: This was a much younger guy than I've ever dealt
Speaker 3: with before. All right, you know I respected him. I
Speaker 3: was like, that's you know, I'm thinking to myself, this
Speaker 3: is what you're trained to tell with people because you
Speaker 3: don't know any better, regardless if they do know any better.
Speaker 3: This is what they're trained to tell.
Speaker 2: You, you know.
Speaker 3: So you know so I mean, I mean I believe. Like,
Speaker 3: like I said, I've had I put out a blog
Speaker 3: from I have a blog site. It's h ecbro dot
Speaker 3: WordPress dot com, and I haven't posted it in a while,
Speaker 3: but I do have a blogsite about mountain lions in Virginia,
Speaker 3: and I had a fairly decent amount of responses from it.
Speaker 3: You know, I've had one guy telling me that he
Speaker 3: had claimed to have seen them, two of them, running
Speaker 3: across his farm field and he reported them and the
Speaker 3: game board to tell me, you, no, they ain't what
Speaker 3: you saw. This is not They don't exist here. You know,
Speaker 3: Why are you telling people that they're lying or why
Speaker 3: are you telling people that they ain't what they're seeing?
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, if it's a mountain lion. How
Speaker 3: could you misidentify a mountain lion? You know, it's a
Speaker 3: large cat with a long tail, you know so. And
Speaker 3: I didn't even bother get into any other bringing anything up.
Speaker 3: I mean, because I know back in twenty fifteen, what
Speaker 3: I saw just on the outside of Elkhorn Lake, by
Speaker 3: the interest of the lake, what I saw was a
Speaker 3: black one. You know, I've seen a black one. I
Speaker 3: didn't know what I was seeing at first, So it
Speaker 3: got up on all fours and walked, walked across the road,
Speaker 3: and I've seen that long black tailed dragon behind it.
Speaker 3: There ain't no bear. What the heck? Cauco is that
Speaker 3: going to be? You know? You know so? But it
Speaker 3: is what it is.
Speaker 4: I mean, I believe the town folk, country folk right
Speaker 4: here before the game wards anyway, because.
Speaker 2: It's tourism, is what they don't want to hurt.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely. And that's another thing I've been in
Speaker 3: discussion that regardless of it's if the government and the officials,
Speaker 3: the locals, if they all admitted, yes, there's there's sasquatch
Speaker 3: that that live in these woods, or there's mountain lions
Speaker 3: that roam these forests. Yeah, you think that's gonna you know,
Speaker 3: why would they want to put the fear into people,
Speaker 3: you know and start spending time and education in these
Speaker 3: local state forests that you know, they spend money. You
Speaker 3: know they think, yeah, exactly what you said. It would
Speaker 3: hurt to tourism. The economy would start to decline, you know,
Speaker 3: in one way or another.
Speaker 4: It won't crash, but I mean it's just to a
Speaker 4: degree they don't want to take a chance.
Speaker 3: Well, well, it's just like back in the shoot. This
Speaker 3: day is back many years ago based off of our research.
Speaker 3: It day back from the nineteen sixties, you know, nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties to the ninth even up to the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: The sparted Isle. I'm sure you guys are familiar with
Speaker 3: the sparted isle back when it was first discovered out
Speaker 3: in the Pacific northwest, the Sparta the story behind the
Speaker 3: Spartan Isle. It was seen on several different occasions, but
Speaker 3: it wasn't until the eighties, the early eighties where officially
Speaker 3: became a part of the endangered species list. And because
Speaker 3: they were sparted out, there was a rare species of
Speaker 3: owl that they proved to exist. And what happened back
Speaker 3: then it shut down the logging industry, the logging industry
Speaker 3: came to a halt. And when the logging industry came
Speaker 3: to a halt, which was a big part of the
Speaker 3: economy out west. I mean, it's part of the economy
Speaker 3: out here. We have a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: logging that happens here in the East Coast, but out
Speaker 3: there was more common. And when the sparta owl was
Speaker 3: discovered and immediately declared an endangered species. To keep in mind,
Speaker 3: the sparta isle it's only about probably no more than
Speaker 3: ten inches tall. When that spart when that, when the
Speaker 3: logging became to came to a dead halt because they
Speaker 3: didn't want to endanger the you know, it's territory. It
Speaker 3: put the logging industry to a cease and affected the economy.
Speaker 3: And you know, with all that being said and done,
Speaker 3: I look at the same the same aspect, the same
Speaker 3: thing when it comes to if Bigfoot was admitted to
Speaker 3: exist in these forests. Yeah, here we have a humanoid
Speaker 3: bipedal creature. Regardless of how you want to look at it,
Speaker 3: if it's human or not human. If the government this
Speaker 3: is this is just my honest opinion. I believe if
Speaker 3: they if it was publicly announced that this was to exist.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at all the law and that we
Speaker 3: have going on here and the clearings of these forests
Speaker 3: that turn into subdivisions. Would they have to you know,
Speaker 3: I think it would affect economy in some in one
Speaker 3: way or another. I mean, this is again, this is
Speaker 3: just my honest opinion. One, if bigfoot became listed as
Speaker 3: a living, existent species that live in the forest, you
Speaker 3: would have to think that, well, wouldn't that be on
Speaker 3: the endangered species list? Because you know, we're taken away
Speaker 3: from its home. I mean, what's going to happen if
Speaker 3: we keep clearing off all these forests? And so between
Speaker 3: the economy, the fear factor, and you know that that
Speaker 3: goes along. When I say the fear factor, It's like
Speaker 3: if people were, especially with these non believers, if the
Speaker 3: government was to come up and publicly say, yeah, we
Speaker 3: had a large humanoid, bipedal harry being living among us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and not just even that, if they admit to the
Speaker 3: mountain lions here on the East coast. You know, families
Speaker 3: with their kids just like, oh, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: go out there if there's mountain lions out there, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's where I say the fear factor would kind
Speaker 3: of come into play, but I mean again, I again,
Speaker 3: I repeat this my honest opinion, you know.
Speaker 4: So mm hmm. Well then I gotta wrap. I got
Speaker 4: I gotta get up in the morning.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I totally get that.
Speaker 3: No problem.
Speaker 2: So back list will be good to go.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, shoot, no problem. We're gonna do this again very
Speaker 3: soon because I have some stuff I have written down
Speaker 3: I was gonna go over but for a future discussion
Speaker 3: and things that we'll get into because I wrote down
Speaker 3: several things that will be interesting to talk about, but
Speaker 3: absolutely which I never even I never got into that.
Speaker 3: We've got in some pretty interesting things with al and everything,
Speaker 3: and then one thing to led to another. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so this has been great. Thank you guys for coming
Speaker 3: on here. I really love this and I hope you
Speaker 3: got to can join us again for the next roundtable discussion.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. So one last thing before we go out,
Speaker 3: I'm going to play the events again, So everybody, if
Speaker 3: you're listening and you want to attend an awesome event
Speaker 3: here along the East coast. I got some other events
Speaker 3: I'll be announced soon. They're coming up also this year,
Speaker 3: I haven't touched base on them yet, but these are
Speaker 3: the first few that I want to share with everybody.
Speaker 3: If you guys are still listening, feel free to listen
Speaker 3: to and Marky's down on your calendars. So again, listen David,
Speaker 3: thank you very much and keep it squashy until that's
Speaker 3: You're welcome. Have a good night, Absolutely you too, DCBRO
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