WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:03.319 I don't what you're putting. 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:08.119 We got some want or nothing out here. 3 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:11.320 I can't go, but I know I did. 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:12.519 My vendor light came on. 5 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:13.039 And I get that. 6 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:15.480 But they left and they thing running across the. 7 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:17.839 Yard A good sight man or nothing. 8 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:19.440 I wood like the man. I don't know what it was. 9 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:21.199 Right across the yard. 10 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:23.640 It seems to be a big foot leaning against a 11 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:25.000 tree in a wooded area. 12 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.280 I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but 13 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.120 not big. 14 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:31.480 Foot tree lines and rush. He sees about a seven 15 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:34.880 and seven and a half foot tall sasquatch looking back 16 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:36.600 at him, and that kind of looks like a wolf, 17 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.439 but not like a neighborhood dog. Pick these stores for 18 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.359 what they are and hopes that maybe if it's out there, 19 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.759 then show me yeah, and says he might have caught 20 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.759 the mythical chub of Cabra creature terrorizing his chickens like 21 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:50.840 a grunt. 22 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:51.719 And a knock up like a oh. 23 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:55.119 I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for people 24 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.079 to want to make Bigfoot a quote unquote monster. Welcome 25 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:06.359 to ECB Bigfoot Radio, DCBRO Bigfoot Radio fans. It's time 26 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.760 to grab your pens, your calendars, and start writing down 27 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:12.840 these dates for these upcoming events. In the twenty twenty 28 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.760 five year, February eighth, the ECBRO is hosting a big 29 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.560 Foot in Lunch gathering in Lexington, Virginia, happening at the 30 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:24.799 Legendary Eats Cafe. If you have a Bigfoot story, or 31 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.640 if you're just a fan of Bigfoot and you want 32 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.439 to learn what's going on with the ECBRO and I 33 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.640 know who they are and what they do, this event's 34 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.040 for you. It's a free event. The only thing that 35 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:36.920 is going to cost you if you want to buy 36 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:41.680 off the menu and enjoy a delicious meal while you 37 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.359 sit among other researchers. All right. Moving ahead in the. 38 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:47.920 Month of March March twenty nine is a penn Ohio 39 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.959 heron olmal Cohn and happening at the Timoty Big Woot 40 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:52.879 Center and Book Creed, Ohio. 41 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:59.519 Yes, that is also sponsored and hosted by mister Bill Rigby. 42 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.799 Jumping ahead into the month of June, boy, do we 43 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.879 have some awesome stuff going on in June. Again. I 44 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.759 hope you're marking this down and I'll hope you prepare 45 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.680 yourself to attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and eighth 46 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:22.479 happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania, the Forest County Bigfoot Festivality. The 47 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:27.360 event that's grown so huge it's unbelievable. You're going to 48 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:31.319 want to attend this event. Over one hundred vendors, food trucks, 49 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:36.360 and guest speakers. This event is something you want to attend. 50 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.919 Not to mention. If you'd like to go with squatching. 51 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.919 There is the Alleganty National State Forest nearby. You're going 52 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.280 to want to check that forest out. It's very squatching. 53 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:53.159 June twentieth and twenty first happening in Where's Cave, Virginia 54 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:57.520 at the Where's Ca Community Center is the annual ECBRO 55 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.400 Virginia Bigfoot Conference. Yes, it's right there, being held at 56 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:02.520 the Community Center and. 57 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:08.080 Where's Cay, Virginia. Both indoor and outdoor vendors, guest speakers 58 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.280 for an activity and contest for the kids. You're gonna 59 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.919 want to check this out. If you've never been to. 60 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.520 This event, it's very fun. You get to meet up 61 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.479 with other light minded people, get to go out and 62 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.680 hang out with them in the evenings around them fire. 63 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.639 If you're get that special invite, you get to have 64 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.879 a lot more. You're gonna want to check that out 65 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.719 and start becoming a part of that event, because that 66 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.039 is not just in an event, it's like a family gathering. 67 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.599 That's June twentieth and twenty first, so feel free to 68 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:40.120 check that out and ladies and gentlemen. Happening in the 69 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:45.439 month of June. Also June twenty sixth, twenty seventh, and 70 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:49.759 twenty eighth happening in Sutton, West Virginia is the annual 71 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:55.439 Western Virginia you have Bigfoot Festival. Another massive, huge festival 72 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.159 with over one hundred a vendors, all kinds of activity 73 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.039 and fun and tests for kids and people of all ages. 74 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:07.360 Guest speakers, celebrities, people you're gonna want to get to known, 75 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.560 get to meet and learn from. Ladies and gentlemen. I 76 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.520 hope you guys are taking the time to mark these 77 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.599 dates and these locations down. If you have any questions 78 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.279 regarding any of these events, send an email to ECB 79 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:33.480 ro ninety eight at gmail dot com. Well, ladies and gentlemen, 80 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:39.959 welcome to ECBR Bigfoot Radio. Tonight is a roundtable discussion. 81 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:42.399 I got a few things we'll get into and talk 82 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.160 about here and there. But yeah, for those who listen 83 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.040 to all those events, one thing I do want to 84 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:51.600 add regarding the West Virginia Bigfoot Festival that happens what's 85 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.879 happening in June twenty six, seven twenty eight. A part 86 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:01.000 of their lineup they have announced so far something new 87 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.519 that they're adding that they have not had there before. 88 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:09.360 They actually are they will have the Expedition Bigfoot Crew there, 89 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.399 so that's something new this year. Of course, the Mountain 90 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.079 Monsters will be there. From my understanding, they've been there 91 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.240 the last couple of years. Well they were officially there 92 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.120 last year. They actually showed up on their own like 93 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:26.120 years before that, but they were officially there last year. 94 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.720 They will be back again this year. So again that's 95 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:33.800 in West Virginia. That's a very fun event. I know, 96 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.240 it's a hit and miss every time I attend there 97 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:42.040 because you know, being in June and it's completely outdoors. Yeah, 98 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.360 if you come on out there, it's worth being out there, 99 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.079 but just come prepared because it gets hot, you know. 100 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:50.920 I know when I was there, even though I was 101 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.439 underneath a pavilion most of the day, that was probably 102 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.600 the coolest spot of the festival, was hanging out underneath 103 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.360 of that pavilion. But as soon as you up away 104 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.120 from that pavilion. You're melting. That's how hard he gets 105 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.639 out there. So this especially right there in the middle 106 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.920 of June, at the end of June whatever. So but yeah, 107 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.120 enough of that. I want to welcome David and Melissa 108 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:18.839 and Al back to the stream. I'm glad to have 109 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:22.360 them back on here. Al for those who have been following, 110 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.160 Al was just one of my recent guests, previous guests 111 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.480 from a couple episodes ago, and David joined us. David 112 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.480 and Melissa joined us on another open discussion with William Nighthawk. 113 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.639 That was a lot of fun. We had a great discussion. Yeah, 114 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.319 we kind of went a little everywhere on that one, 115 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:42.680 but that's what I kind of liked that we do 116 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.079 that a lot. We're very random on discussions. You just 117 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.439 never know where we're going to go. So if you're listening, uh, 118 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:54.639 just try to hang with us. So yeah, I'll start 119 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:56.399 with you. How are you doing tonight? 120 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.319 Yeah, I'm doing great, brother, It's good to be here. 121 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.600 Thank you for invitation. Melissa, it's nice meeting you. 122 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:04.639 Nice to meet you. 123 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.639 Yeah, I'm doing good. Absolutely, Thank you for having me. 124 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:15.000 Absolutely, it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure. David, Melissa, how 125 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:15.600 you guys doing. 126 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.079 We're doing good. We're doing all right. 127 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.959 How you Yeah, how you been feeling there, Melissa. 128 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:31.399 Besides the bruising and the incisions where I have surgery, 129 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:32.199 I'm doing okay. 130 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:33.839 That's good. 131 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.480 Taking some pain meds, but it's just ibuprofen and tyle 132 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.199 and all extra strengths at this point. 133 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.399 So yeah, are you? Are you back and making donuts 134 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:44.079 like David is. 135 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:50.600 No, I am not aloud until after the fourteenth of February, 136 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.360 And it depends on also and when I do my 137 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:59.720 radiation treatments. When I start that, oh, okay, okay, by 138 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:03.680 the first sometime in the first part of February, I 139 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:09.360 know I gotta do six weeks worth of it, you know, So. 140 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.519 Let me clear some up out of here right quick. 141 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:20.920 Daniel, Oh, I'm not gonna jump in you. 142 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:23.399 Just to get out of the house. I'm retired twice now, 143 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.319 retired from the Army of ninety eight. I retired from 144 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:28.519 the local servians overs here in twenty eighteen. I went 145 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:29.759 to work with kes that to get out of the 146 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:31.199 house a couple of days a week. So it's not 147 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.720 like I've been a doing nothing for all my mind. Okay, 148 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:36.159 he's got to bring it up all the time, make 149 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.360 a doughnuts. 150 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.279 I ain't got no do nothing better or nothing only. 151 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:46.720 But you know that's what I do right now. So 152 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.039 I've got to carry what. 153 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.759 I see. Yeah, that's the April and I got him. 154 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.480 I see he's keeping that one clean. 155 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:00.200 Us. 156 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.120 That's hysterical. 157 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.960 Yeah, you like to have a lot of fun. And 158 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.919 that's a little bit about my background as far as 159 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:14.159 that goes. So you know where I'm coming from. 160 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.759 Well, I'm just curious. Did you have you try to 161 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.799 wear that to work? That bigot Bigfoot. 162 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.559 Melissa get fired? She's a district manager, their assistant. 163 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.799 District assistant general manager. 164 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.240 Uh that Kristah kreeman o. 165 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:36.559 The uh when I do go back getting the full retirement, 166 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.919 I'm not thinking they wear it in there, you know 167 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:40.360 the crap. 168 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:48.679 Yeah, well, you know, as far as wearing big Foot apparel, 169 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:53.279 you know, I've actually been getting oh I don't know. Yeah, 170 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.240 I guess you could say I've been getting a couple 171 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.639 of reports. I just hadn't followed through them yet. Well 172 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.759 one of them I reply back to one of the 173 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:06.440 responses I got recently, I just haven't heard back from 174 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.480 my reply. But however, by me going, you know, I 175 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.840 wear my bigfoot stuff, my hoodie everywhere I go, and 176 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.080 like one of the girls at the bank's like, oh 177 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.919 my god, I love your shirt. You know, just you know, 178 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.120 blah blah blahn to me. When they say something like 179 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.399 that and it's my big foot, it opens up the 180 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.039 door for me to start talking, you know, like, well, hey, 181 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.279 oh do you believe in bigfoot? Blah blah blah. And 182 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.039 then like, for example, the girl the bank is, well, 183 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.840 my boyfriend, he's really into that. Now. She didn't tell 184 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:36.879 me that he had a sighting. I didn't learn that 185 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.320 until actually I got the email from him, you know, 186 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:42.159 because I gave her one of my cards and probably 187 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:46.159 a voute less than a week later. Yeah, his name's William. 188 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:48.759 And again I'm waiting on another response to him because 189 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.759 I really want to talk to this guy. Now, I 190 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:54.960 get back up a little bit just prior to that. Now, 191 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:57.240 like I said, my cards, I do leave them out 192 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:01.960 and random places, And I did get a another email 193 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:07.480 from this other individual. He started sharing some details about locations, 194 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.720 but he didn't go into specifics on the experiences he 195 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.559 had and he wants to share them with me and 196 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.879 so I have yet to really get into a discussion 197 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.000 with him. And uh. But the location, Like I was 198 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.519 telling David about this, one of this guy here was 199 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.000 telling me, uh, he was naming these locations. I was like, 200 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.720 that's like right outside of my main research area and 201 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.279 it's like right between where basically if you know our area, 202 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:34.879 it's kind of like I don't know, it's like a 203 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.360 center point, Like it's between like where we've left camp 204 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.559 at and where we use camp at and it's like 205 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:44.679 center that. And not to mention like I didn't think 206 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.080 about this, David, but would you kind of say that's 207 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:51.240 close to Retis Knob too at the same in a way. 208 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:52.279 Yeah. 209 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.039 They basically pretty much say Maria all interconnected. 210 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:03.159 Yeah, because with with what mister Huffman Dale Huffman uh 211 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.519 shared with us when he came to camping and shared 212 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.159 what he heard while him and the other guys camping over 213 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:12.399 there Retish down below Redish Nab at that camp site. 214 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.519 They heard that weird what was it a screen? Did 215 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.440 he describe that as a stream or like a how 216 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:20.360 or I can't remember that part. 217 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.600 Yeah, what I'm saying. Yeah, Then one of the guys 218 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.159 he was with is retired law force. But also and 219 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.600 he's always been a skeptic, but he left there that 220 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:38.720 night too with that what if he was kind of right, Yeah, 221 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.759 he wants to go back and research more into it 222 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.960 because thats got his interests up. 223 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.600 In what, you know, what may be going on out there. 224 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:51.279 And yeah, that way, and then the other thing, you know, 225 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:55.720 you have you know, up in Alaska, they have what 226 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:59.799 they call the Alaska Triangle, where within that triangle, in 227 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.519 that perimeter, you have all these strange phenomenons, the weird 228 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:08.519 thing to happen, UFOs, big foot activity and occurrences and phenomena, 229 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.480 all kinds of strange things that happened within that zone. 230 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:17.399 And so you know, and what's the triangle, the Alaska Triangle, 231 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:21.000 the huge it covers. You know, I didn't eventure Alaska, 232 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:24.240 but I know Alaska is like massive, you know. But 233 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:29.320 so to minimize the activity, the more or less pinpoint 234 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.279 hotspile activities that I've been gathering over the year, I've 235 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:36.720 kind of almost developed a triangle down here between just 236 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:42.080 a couple of counties, you know, maybe two or three turnings, Augusta, Rockingham, 237 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:46.279 and I well, actually maybe I should just say Rockingham 238 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.919 and Augusta because they seem like the hardest spots around 239 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.519 this area. I mean there's other reports up and down, 240 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.840 you know, Virginia, but for what we focus on, we've 241 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:00.360 been getting concentrated, you know, uh, stories and stuff, which 242 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.440 is it kind of gets exciting when you hear more 243 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.559 and more and that's happening in this area so well. 244 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.840 I know when we met Daniel about five years ago 245 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.279 at Tomorrow, he had had a display about there when 246 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.879 I first met him, got me intrigued into Tomorrow. I 247 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.639 always been into the parent normal stuff like that. I've 248 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.519 had experiences, and of course some of the experience I had, 249 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:24.039 I know it's a pigment of my imagination, but some 250 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.320 of them are not, which been sort of too long 251 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.120 to get involved in. But I've never had anything crypti based, 252 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.120 Bigfoot or anything else. We've always been interested in that 253 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.840 kind of stuff. And then we met Daniel. He seemed 254 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:36.919 down to earth and not one of than wild guys 255 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:40.919 out there chasing every shadow and every knocking everything of here. 256 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.000 It's has been a Bigfoot and they got me intrigued, 257 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:44.600 and we've been with him. They were since some camping 258 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.639 and going out with the group. Needs to be our 259 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.200 own stuff. And what I found intriguing was when I 260 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.879 first got involved with him, we put it on Facebook. 261 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.279 You know, we're getting involved with this group, you know, 262 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:57.480 doing a little bit of research and bigfoot and stuff 263 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:57.799 like that. 264 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.879 And some people took it as a joke, which has 265 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:01.960 been expected, you know. 266 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:04.600 And uh, but some of the people that are in 267 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.639 my comments, I got a couple of private messages back 268 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:10.879 and to me. For somebody to take their time to 269 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.080 send a private message, they didn't want to put it 270 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.559 in the open discussion. Part of it leads more credence 271 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:22.080 to what they've seen that left them stooped, and they 272 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.440 just wanted to share their story. And uh, that just 273 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:27.639 nailed it down even more. I have yet to see 274 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.240 one and anything, but I've gotten sounds the stuff to 275 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.159 put that question mark in your mind, and to put 276 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.200 my recordings out overnight. A lot of it could be 277 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.840 natur wild life, but some things just didn't sound natural. 278 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:40.519 And I let Daniel listen to a few of them 279 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.399 get his opinion on it. Uh, that's where we're at now. 280 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.120 You know, we go camping a couple of times a year. 281 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:48.080 I talk about more than that, and when we came 282 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.600 but it's a group of about a couple of times 283 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.799 a year with Daniel. But that's what we're doing around 284 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.480 here in the Harrisburg in the area Slate Lake and 285 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:56.960 Elkhorn Lake and stuff. 286 00:15:57.639 --> 00:15:59.600 Uh. But I mean, I don't hear Alse's story it. 287 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.279 I mean, last night, I'll be honest with you, last night, 288 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.480 I was up late for me because I'm an old dude, 289 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.440 and I was up at twelve o'clock last night watching 290 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.840 some shows on YouTube, and I heard woops in the 291 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.080 backyard last night. I haven't heard woops in my backyard 292 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.759 in a long time, you know, And I don't think 293 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:23.559 I've ever heard them in the winter time. And we 294 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.960 got you know, it's twelve minus twelve degrees up here, 295 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.679 and it's we got a lot of snow on the ground, 296 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.919 but it's so damn cold. I be honest with you, 297 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.399 I haven't gone out to go in the backyard to 298 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.279 look for footprints or anything, because I haven't even gone 299 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.320 outside stuck the damn cars. But it's so cold. But 300 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.679 that was the first time I've heard woops in a 301 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.480 long time up here. And I have one hundred acres 302 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:50.639 of an old apple orchard behind me and one hundred 303 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:52.519 acres of wetlands across the street. 304 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.320 But so that's how the night started out. 305 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.000 And then around three o'clock in the morning, Man, I 306 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.559 I could have sworn I heard my wife whisper my 307 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.599 name in my ear, like right here, and my eyes 308 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.640 opened up and I turned around because I thought something 309 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:14.079 was wrong, you know, you know, it sound just like her. 310 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.480 It was right in my ear. I actually feel the 311 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.279 breath going to my ear. And I turned around and 312 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:22.559 she was sleeping, and I got up and I did 313 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.160 like a perimeter search around the house, you know, but 314 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.440 I didn't see anything. But I was like, man, that 315 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:32.279 was weird. And I don't usually get two weird experiences 316 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:33.119 in one night. 317 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.519 You know, it's either one or the other. 318 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.440 But last night was pretty weird around here. But yeah, no, 319 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.480 I mean I got into this. I seen one when 320 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:48.359 I was twelve years old, and I've had many encounters 321 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:54.200 over the years, and I have about five different locations 322 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.279 that I researched, and I you know, I've never thought 323 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:01.079 about triangulating any of them until Dan started talking about 324 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.680 it now. But I found just off the top of 325 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.359 my head, if I if I do, like put them 326 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:12.400 in perspective, I can get two different triangles, one east 327 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:17.119 west south and one the other way going north east 328 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:23.240 west north. And pretty interesting about the triangular stuff because 329 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.759 he had me thinking about the triangle up in the 330 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.200 Massac Bridgewater triangle up in Massachusetts too, you know. And 331 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:36.279 I'm thinking there's and and the one up in. 332 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.079 Alaska as well. 333 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.480 So you know, we could probably if we look at 334 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.319 him close enough, we could probably triangulate a lot of 335 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:48.640 these sightings, you know, right. And I wear I got 336 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:53.319 I have. I'm a director of four different groups, and 337 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.880 I have a shirt for each group because when you 338 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.200 go to these symposiums, you can't wear a bigfoot shirt 339 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.559 to a UFO conference, and you can't wear a UFO 340 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.920 shirt with a ghost conference, and otherwise you'll just end 341 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.279 up fighting with everybody. And whenever I wear my shirts 342 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:14.359 out and uh, someone says something. As a matter of fact, 343 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.279 I went to the library last Saturday with my grandson 344 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.160 because they were doing the thing there for kids. He's 345 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.319 a year and a half old, and I happened to 346 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.720 have my my paranormal shirt on at the time because 347 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:28.279 it's one of the only ones I have that has 348 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:32.119 warm sleeves on it. And the girl at the library. 349 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.440 He said, oh you do paranormal, give me your car, 350 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.839 bah bah, and then we started talking about I said, yeah, 351 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.519 I was here last summer when a friend of mine 352 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:42.400 did the big Foot. They have friend of mine from 353 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.400 upstate in the Adirondecks. He came down and he did 354 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:47.680 a big Foot conference there. And I said, yeah, I 355 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.079 was here for his presentation and and she said, well, 356 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.160 maybe next year we'll have you instead of HMS. 357 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.640 It's you live right in town, and it's you. 358 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.079 Know, it's funny how one thing leads to another and 359 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.920 you can get into all kinds of different conversations with 360 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.079 people just because they're looking at your shirt or or 361 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:08.559 you put a card down on the on the table 362 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:10.960 and they look at their cards, you know what I mean. 363 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.200 And it always, it always starts off, do you believe 364 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:15.640 in that? 365 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:16.119 You know? 366 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:20.160 I believe it is about you. 367 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.640 Absolutely, I mean in regards to experiences. 368 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:31.839 And then they open right up boom, you know, yeah. 369 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.839 Absolutely to me wearing a big shirt, whatever type of 370 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.839 shirt you're wearing. It's like if you don't have a 371 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:39.680 business card to put up there about who you are, 372 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.279 what you do, Hey, let that shirt or that clothes 373 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.680 or gear do your be your calling card, you know, 374 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.680 and just to kind of just to throw it out 375 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.599 there and talk about shirts and you know, stuff like this. 376 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.920 I for those who watched it earlier, I put out 377 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.799 a promo because the gentleman who added me on his 378 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:05.039 networks Media Squatch. Uh he actually sent me three shirts 379 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.640 to promote. He let me choose from he let me 380 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.759 choose these shirts. And I'm gonna tell you what to 381 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:13.720 see the quality of these shirts because I just got 382 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.359 them today and I got a sweater and two T 383 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.279 shirts and I was wearing a sweater earlier and it's 384 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.480 very comfortable. But when I opened up the package, actually know, 385 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.160 I got them yesterday and I just opened them up. 386 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.319 I opened up yesterday. I wore the sweater today. But 387 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.839 the quality of these shirts are amazing. I was surprised. 388 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.640 I mean, they took a while from the time he 389 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:39.480 ordered them for me through the store. Yeah, it took 390 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.799 a good week or so. But you know, they're I mean, 391 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.880 they're awesome. So I'm promoting that right now because you know, 392 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.359 again it's part of you know, the network and the 393 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.480 team of media Squatch that I'm a part of now. 394 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:57.640 And uh so, yeah, I advised or recommend and highly 395 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:03.039 suggests anybody that wants to further inventory on merchandise for there. 396 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:05.480 You know, if you're in the big Foot, you know 397 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.240 it's he's putting. Most of it. It's all Bigfoot from 398 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.519 what I recall. They may have been some other at 399 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:13.000 Christas in there, but most of it's all Bigfoot related. 400 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.119 But some of it it's funny, you know, it's got 401 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.240 some humor in it. But it's some of it's really 402 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:25.599 cool looking. But check out squatch Trail dot com again. 403 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:30.279 That again, that Squatch Trail all one word dot com. 404 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:30.680 Yeah. 405 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:32.720 A couple of other shirts. I'll show them more. I 406 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.599 showed them in the promo video I threw together this morning. 407 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.160 I'll probably work on it one. Yeah, I'll probably put 408 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:42.400 together you know, maybe show the shirts more clear. You know, 409 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:45.720 you'll see me promote him here and there. So but yeah, 410 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:48.240 I mean I was impressed. The quality of these shirts 411 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:53.079 are amazing, you know. So. But my favorite one that 412 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:54.880 I got, I mean, I love them all. They'll get 413 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.880 me wrong, but my favorite one is the white T 414 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.680 shirt that's got the Bigfoot wearing the craft and it 415 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:05.440 says King of Cryptids. It's like I thought that was 416 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.519 pretty cool though. It's like kind of like the old 417 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:14.200 Budweiser King of Beers. Yeah, not that I drink Budweiser. 418 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:15.559 That all gave me a headache. 419 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:17.599 You know what I love. 420 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:19.440 When I was a kid, I had a bunch of 421 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.799 Budman shirt they had like a little Budman. It's like 422 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:27.240 a superhero guy. And I loved Budweiser Man. I love 423 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:31.640 it to death, but it gives me the worst headaches. Yeah, 424 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:35.680 I switched back over to Miller High Life, and I'm 425 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:38.680 much better with the Miller High Life. I don't get 426 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.200 any kind of headaches or anything. And it goes down 427 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.119 like water. So yeah, I don't drink but anymore. And 428 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:46.759 it's not because I don't like it. It's just that 429 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:48.200 it kicks my ass. 430 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.079 It does. I don't know what it is they adding 431 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:53.759 that beat that particular beerod No, I could drink bud like, 432 00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:57.640 you know, I could drink Bud Light and other Anheyser 433 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.440 products like Bush beer. I can drink Bush that's made 434 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.440 by an home and as your Bush Budweiser. To me, 435 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.799 I always called it the headache beer. 436 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:07.160 You know. 437 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.160 Like when I was with my friend Mike and I 438 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.119 would help him and I do you know when I 439 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:13.799 used to hang out with Mike and do some sidewalk 440 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.559 with his father. His father even to put us to 441 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.799 work when we used to go over there. And uh, 442 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:19.960 but you know his probably was cool. His father. His 443 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.559 father was a Budweiser drigger. So his father come back 444 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.559 with a case of beer. Here, you boys, have some beer. 445 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.000 Give me a headache. But I enjoyed it, well for 446 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.240 a woot while I was a headache kick did Yeah, 447 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:33.039 I got, I got. 448 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:36.359 I got like a little fridge in the garage that 449 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.400 I have like two to six packs of Bud, two 450 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:43.559 six packs of Cords, uh, just regular cords, a banquet beer, 451 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.599 and two six packs of Miller. So when my friends 452 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:48.680 come over they want a beer, they got their choice, 453 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.279 you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, because everybody drinks 454 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:54.759 something different, you know what I mean? 455 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.799 So uh oh for sure, yeah. 456 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:59.240 So I mean it is what it is. 457 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.240 But I'm drinking light beer. I gotta be honest. I'm 458 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.880 drinking a silver bullet of Courts Light. But but I'm 459 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:07.640 happy with my Miller highlights. 460 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.160 I don't know if you can see this. I got 461 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:13.279 the camera turned around, but this is currently what I 462 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:19.839 got here blue Moon, and there's Dad's beer. Of course, 463 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.440 like a silver bullet. 464 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:22.640 There it is. 465 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:29.240 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, how do we get into talking 466 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:29.799 about beer? 467 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:35.160 I don't know. 468 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:35.920 That. 469 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:38.799 Are you from around the New York area? 470 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.559 I am from New York, Yes, New York. Okay, yeah, 471 00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:46.319 his accents should give it all the way, what accident. 472 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:52.599 I've got no accent. No, Now, you know, I'm from 473 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:54.480 the city, but I live up in the country. 474 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:54.680 Now. 475 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.640 I've been up here about thirty years. 476 00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.200 And uh I love it up here. 477 00:25:59.279 --> 00:25:59.480 You know. 478 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.880 When I retired from the postal service after thirty two years, 479 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.000 I tried to convince my wife to move to Tennessee, 480 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.559 but she won't go. So I mean I'm stuck here 481 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:11.160 in New York. 482 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:11.480 You know. 483 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:12.480 Yeah. 484 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:15.960 My daughter just had a baby, so you know, not 485 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:18.680 at the grandchild this year. My wife is going nowhere, 486 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.839 and I tried to get her out of here before 487 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:29.400 the baby came. Ples you wouldn't budge, yeah, but uh, 488 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.359 I mean, you know, I love the state as far 489 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.920 as what it has to offer. We have so much 490 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.799 wilderness up here, and and you know, it has a 491 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:44.759 lot to offer, whether you know, if you're into fishing 492 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.799 or surfing out on Long Island or skiing upstate or 493 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.799 the Adirrondecks. I mean, I love being up being up 494 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.319 up in up in the mountains. 495 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.799 But it's just I hate the politics of this state. 496 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.599 It just makes you know I'm not I should I 497 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.559 should have been born in Texas, should have been born 498 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:03.119 a cowboy. 499 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.720 Yeah, but what was that in Canada you had when 500 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:08.960 it was about twelve years old? 501 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:13.480 How did that play out? That one? Yeah? 502 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:18.359 That was that was pretty wild twelve years old? 503 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.599 Down to South Florida, a little town. 504 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.799 Called Davy, down Florida. 505 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:23.880 Yeah, South Florida. 506 00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.200 It was down to South Florida, the little town called Davy. 507 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.680 We were just outside of the Everglades. 508 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.039 And it was it was a drought that summer, and 509 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.880 it was fires in the Everglades and all the animals 510 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:41.200 were getting pushed inland. And long story short, my sister's 511 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:46.960 development was surrounded by canals and we had a skunk 512 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:51.880 ape come in and walked past the house and scream 513 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.319 at the house. And uh, I don't want to get 514 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.640 into the whole long story, but it attacked a wild 515 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.000 mustang down around the corner there. I wanted one of 516 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:05.119 the rancher's house down down on the down on the corner, 517 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.960 there was a horse rancher attacked one of his horses 518 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.640 that he had in the stall. And at the other 519 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.680 end of the development there was a cattle ranch who 520 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.480 had a Brahma bull and it ripped the head off 521 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:20.960 of the Brahma bull. And h you know, like I said, 522 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.880 when first time it walked past the house, and it 523 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.720 stunk to high heaven and and I think, and I 524 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.559 gotta be honest with you, I think the reason when 525 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.200 it first showed up in the front of the house 526 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.720 and it's and I've seen the shadow go by the wall, 527 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.200 and I peeked out the window and this thing did 528 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.039 this blood curdling scream, and it flexed because it was 529 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:47.480 seeing its reflection in a big picture window. 530 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.759 And I guess it must have thought it was another 531 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:50.920 skun gape. 532 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.559 And it was doing like a territorial thing. It didn't stink, 533 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.640 but when it went past the house, we had two 534 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:01.160 large German shepherd canine German shepherds at the house and 535 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.920 the dogs were crazy. And I think once the dogs 536 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.720 went crazy, it let that stink out as a warning 537 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.440 for the dogs, you know, like you better back up 538 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.359 before I kill you. And uh, and it stunk to 539 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:18.279 high heaven. And so I seen it. I seen it 540 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:19.880 in front of the house when I was looking out 541 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.880 the front window. I seen it out the bathroom window. 542 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.880 I seen it out the back patio when we were 543 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.359 following the we one night we were following the deputy's 544 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:31.079 car the night it killed the Barmba Bule. 545 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.599 We heard the screams of the Brahma bull. 546 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.200 And then the rancher came out and we seen the 547 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.839 double bower shotgun go off. So we jumped in my 548 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.440 Brumlow's car and we raced over to the ranch. But 549 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:47.640 when we got to the corner, we got stuck behind 550 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.400 the deputy. He was doing a patrol, and it ran 551 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.599 out in front of the deputy's car and the depth. 552 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.640 Everybody was looking to the left because that's what a 553 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.240 swamp was, and it ran out from the right in 554 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:01.160 between the houses, and the deputy hood hit it, and 555 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.000 a police car stopped like hit an oak tree. And 556 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.720 this thing went down, took down a bus stop sign, 557 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.160 like a school bus sign that was supposed to be 558 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.119 unbendable up to like two hundred and fifty mile an hour. 559 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.039 Hurricane wins Well, this thing pancake. That sign just pancaked it. 560 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.000 And when it got back up and it walked over 561 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.359 to the deputy's car, we were directly behind it, and 562 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.799 I was out the sunroof because my cousin was sitting 563 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.799 in the front seat to have my brother in law 564 00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.359 open up the sunroof, and I was hanging out the 565 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.440 sunroof looking at it. And it went and looked at 566 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.759 the deputy and it just screamed at him, and it 567 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.400 did like a hammer punch on the front of the car, 568 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:42.599 and the whole back of the car came up, and 569 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.680 then it limped off into the swamp. And I mean 570 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:53.240 it was like time slowed down. It was like surreal it. 571 00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:56.839 You didn't know if you were dreaming or not. But 572 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.279 I tell people all the time, the very first time 573 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.680 I seen it out the window, my brain could not 574 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.319 comprehend what my eyes were looking at. Monsters weren't supposed 575 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.079 to exist, and yet I had one twenty feet away 576 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.799 out in the driveway screaming at me. You know, it 577 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.039 had red eyes, but I don't know if that was 578 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.279 because of the sensor lights on the house. It had 579 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.960 k nines. It was big, and I would it was 580 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.319 I estimated it tied to be about nine feet tall 581 00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:30.920 because the fence that went around the house was six 582 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.799 foot tall to keep the dogs in, and it was 583 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.519 head and shoulders above the fence. And I would say 584 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:44.359 it weighed easy, thousand pounds easy. And like I said, and. 585 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.240 It had it was. 586 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.400 It looked black in the distance, but underneath the center lights, 587 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.839 it had like a red tint to its air, you know. 588 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.359 But it was a monster. I mean the first time 589 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.680 I described it to anybody on the on air and 590 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.480 they exked me, like, what what did you think? 591 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:03.799 You know, what did you think it was? 592 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.000 So I thought it was a monster. 593 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.359 It looked like King Kong to me, you know. 594 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.119 And when my sister my Brotherma told us what it was, 595 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.000 we did they were joking, you know, what the hell 596 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.960 is the skunky? You know, we didn't know that we 597 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.559 were from the city in New York. We don't know 598 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.559 what as skunk. Cape's I've heard a Bigfoot. And then 599 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.400 my sister said, yeah, it's the Florida version of Bigfoot. 600 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.359 And then when I and I went to the neighborhood, 601 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.200 kids that we knew from hanging out down there summer 602 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.720 after summer, and they were like yeah, yeah, it comes 603 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.680 around when it's hot, like this is no big deal. 604 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:36.680 They were like they just blew it off like it 605 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.559 wasn't no big deal, you know. 606 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.119 But like it's calming down something right now. 607 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:46.319 Back then, it was because that particular summer, I remember 608 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.519 seeing all the newspaper articles on skunk apes that they 609 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.680 were seeing all over the all over the South Florida, 610 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.240 not just in Davy, but all over South Florida. And 611 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.279 they had it the news, the TV, they had it 612 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.680 on the radio, and they had it in the newspapers. 613 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.440 And when we had that incident at our development, I 614 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.160 thought for sure there were newspaper was gonna come and 615 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.319 everything because we were witnesses to everything, and no one 616 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.920 ever came. I mean that night they called in the 617 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.039 state police and the county police and they came with 618 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.759 helicopters and dogs and horses and everything, and they never 619 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.079 found anything once the thing got into the swamp. But 620 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:33.319 I mean it was you know, I always believed, and 621 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.680 I always believed from the very first time I seen 622 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.480 the Patty video when I was like ten years old, 623 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.039 I said, that's real. That's not a man in a 624 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:43.839 monkey suit. 625 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.920 And I always believe. 626 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.279 From that moment on, I get vibe. So when I 627 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.480 get a vibe, I got a vibe when I seen 628 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.279 that video, and I said, that's the real deal. And 629 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.079 I always believed it since I was ten years old, 630 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.319 you know, even though I always thought they were in 631 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.880 the Pacific Northwest, I didn't think they were down south 632 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.119 or on the East coast, you know. And then as 633 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.880 time went on, you know, you get into you get 634 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.639 into all of this paranormal stuff, and one thing leads 635 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.840 to another, and you know as well as I do, 636 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.559 it's all connected. 637 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.079 And you know, like you. 638 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.400 Said, the more you research it and the more you 639 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.800 go out and you experience it, and it's just it's 640 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.719 it's an amazing phenomenon, especially if you're dealing with a clan. 641 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.039 That's how do I put it. I say, they tolerate 642 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.960 me when I'm there, you know what I mean. So 643 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.519 as long as they continue to tolerate me when I 644 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.800 go to these locations, I'll continue to go there to research. 645 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.280 But the last time I was there, I got marched 646 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.119 out of the woods by a dog man, so that 647 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:55.480 was a whole different story. But but no, I mean, 648 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.079 so I've always believed and then when I seen it 649 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.000 with my own two eyes you like I tell her, 650 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.039 everybody don't don't don't believe what I tell you. But 651 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.239 when you see what you're on two eyes, then you'll 652 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.320 then then you'll know that what I'm saying was true, 653 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.679 you know what I mean, Because that's just the way 654 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.559 it is. Everybody's like, you know, like from Missouri. You 655 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.519 got to show me, you show me, show me, you know, 656 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.400 so when you see what your own two eyes. My 657 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.679 son's been calling bullshit on me for ten years, but 658 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.920 he won't come out into the woods with me either. 659 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:34.280 Yeah about yeah, because you know, one of the thing 660 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.320 I was thinking about too, uh that when when I 661 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:41.400 had you on here before el you you brought up 662 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.039 or mentioned And for those who do know him, I 663 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.039 know him. I spoke to him on the phone before 664 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:50.719 and actually interviewed him years ago. David Sheeley, who's also 665 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.960 ahead of the skunk skunking headquarters down there at the 666 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:59.159 museum right. Yeah, he's been He's been featured in magazines 667 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.760 because and his video footage. I've actually shared his video 668 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.719 footage a while back. But the one famous video footage 669 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.199 that he has it shows the skunkate going across this 670 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.639 Marshy Field and uh yeah, it had tall grass, but 671 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.039 I think it was the water and marsh through the areas. 672 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.519 I know that video footage. I want to say it 673 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.320 came back from it. I don't know. I'm just guessing. 674 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.280 I don't know without looking into it right now, but 675 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.480 I'm guessing it was either in the eighties or maybe 676 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.159 early nineties. It was kind of grainy footage, so I 677 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.920 know it was old. Whatever it was filled with with 678 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.840 an old camera of some sort. It definitely wasn't a 679 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.119 camera phone like we have today, but it was definitely 680 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.760 used with some kind of old camera footage. But clearly 681 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.840 see the bipugal figure going across that field, you know. Yeah, 682 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.320 And of course I know, like every bigfoot footage that's 683 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.719 out there, it gets it has this age, and a's 684 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.920 when it comes to CRUI to them, you know, from 685 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.880 the viewers. You know, you're gonna have your critics one 686 00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.280 way or another, regardless if it is a real deal 687 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:11.400 or heard some hopes, I mean whatever, But I believe 688 00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.440 I don't. I mean, from what I recall, I believe 689 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.800 Dave Dave Sheeley really did see something, you know, and 690 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.239 he's got experiences. 691 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.599 No, I mean I believe me too. I was listening 692 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:24.960 to a woman the other day from the bf RO. 693 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.119 I was listening to a radio, a rock radio station 694 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:32.480 out of Connecticut, and uh, this woman came on and 695 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.519 she was talking about, you know, bigfoots in Connecticut and stuff, 696 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.760 and she and they were asking, a, WHI, aren't there 697 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.039 any you know, photographs of these things and this that 698 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.599 and the other thing. And I was like, I didn't 699 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.079 get I didn't call into the radio station or anything, 700 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.599 you know. I was just saying to myself, Yeah, there 701 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.199 is there's plenty of photographs of these things, and there's 702 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:59.000 plenty of videos of these things. And you maybe you 703 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.519 haven't seen one ye yourself, but they're out there, you know. 704 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.840 And then actually, friend of mine and you probably know too, Daniel, 705 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.320 Chris Reinhardt from Discover Bigfoot, he actually called the radio 706 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:17.519 station and he he was rebuttling everything the lady from 707 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.800 the bfr OS, you know. So I was happy that 708 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.199 Chris jumped on that, but I wasn't gonna get involved 709 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.159 in in that argument. I was just saying to myself, yeah, no, 710 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.400 there's so much video out there. And I was, you know, 711 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.880 like we had this conversation last time we spoke to 712 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.000 about all the AI stuff that's gonna happen. Now, it's 713 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.480 gonna be so hard to debunk and shit like that. 714 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.440 I mean, it's bad enough with CGI, Now with AI 715 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.280 it's going to really be crazy. But I get vibes, 716 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:49.760 you know what I mean. When I look at something, 717 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.239 I get a vibe. And if I get a bullshit vibe, 718 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.119 I get a I call bullshit. If I don't get 719 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.239 a bullshit vibe, I don't call bullshit. Not that I'm there, 720 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.400 not that I know one way or the other. I'm 721 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.159 not psyched by any stretching the imagination. But it's just 722 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:04.159 just who I am. 723 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:04.360 You know. 724 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.119 Yeah, Well, one thing I want to throw in there, 725 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:10.920 you know, and I know others have heard me say 726 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.239 as thing, the same thing too. With what you said 727 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:20.159 you get vibes, I do too, and I would. I mean, 728 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:26.400 I've interviewed so many people over the years, and here's 729 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.840 the thing. Have you ever listened to somebody's story and 730 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.719 get drawn into it, like as you're sharing the details 731 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.559 and they're telling you everything, they know what happened and 732 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.119 how it occurred, are you, like, do you ever find 733 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.880 yourself like you're seeing it happen in your mind while 734 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:42.639 they're talking to you. 735 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.280 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 736 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.360 Yeah, that happens. That happens to me. Not all the time, 737 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.920 but it happens to me. When you were sharing your 738 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.119 story when I had you on here, if you do, 739 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.039 you know, a few podcasts ago, I was feeling I 740 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.760 was seeing everything like I don't know, I just this 741 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:03.039 video starts playing in. 742 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.400 Yeah, you were you were in the moment. You were 743 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.800 there in the moment, absolutely right. Yeah, And I. 744 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.800 Get that with several stories. So and my thing is 745 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:13.760 when I get that, when I see that, when I'm 746 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.360 feeling it like that, I say, this guy is like 747 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.079 really serious, this guy's like this is really happening. Now 748 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.239 I've heard others again, I will say this again. This 749 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.320 does not happen all the time. No, It's like it 750 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.079 only happens when I feel like when I get this way, 751 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.920 like this person is the real deal, this is what 752 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.760 they're really seeing, Like you could always visualize what the 753 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:39.039 hell they're seeing, Like you see this creature that they're describing, 754 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.519 you know, and it's like and it puts you there. 755 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.320 It's like you know what it looks like, you know. 756 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.920 So I don't know what that might what they might 757 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.719 be called. But it's a strong I mean, the vibe, 758 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.719 the feel that connect with that person. You're already connecting 759 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.320 with them, you're feeling them, but then to be drawn 760 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.639 in and see the story that they're they're describing and 761 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.960 they're what they cost see. Yeah, it's it's like, I 762 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.360 just think it's amazing. 763 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.760 And I mean, you know, it's it's a it's a 764 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.880 personal connection that you make with the interviewee on like 765 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:18.280 a subconscious level because you've been there, you've done that, 766 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:22.639 you've experienced everything that they're saying and the way he's 767 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.519 saying it, he's putting you in the moment and you're 768 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.280 living you're living his experience, you know, and and that 769 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:33.679 and that, and that doesn't happen on every single podcast 770 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.280 with every single experience or you know what I mean. 771 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.800 Not to say that it doesn't happen those people are 772 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.159 full of ship. I'm not saying that at all. I'm 773 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.880 just saying there are some people who can put you 774 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.239 in that moment where you you just connect on a 775 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.400 level that's you know, it's subconscious and it's and it's 776 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.000 a powerful connection. You know, it really is. 777 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.960 Well, let's right quick, Okay, I'm still just saying on 778 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.760 that aspect to because when people tell the stories and 779 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.400 you've had that connection before, you get drawn into it. 780 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.320 But both of my careers have been in law enforcement 781 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.119 and many times listen, I'll just use Panama for an example. 782 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.800 It's happened throughout my forty some years. But when I 783 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.760 was in Panama, I was a patrol dog hander that's 784 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.599 a tag dog man DOSSI, and we weren't primarily nighttime 785 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.000 that's when the fee US try to come on post 786 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.400 to break into housing, military housing and stuff like that. 787 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.719 There was not every night, but there was many many 788 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:34.320 times to where when I'd be out there on patrol, 789 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.440 a lot of us took control. 790 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:36.360 With Memma Dog. 791 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.239 You would just get this overwhelming urge to go somewhere 792 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.880 and many times I'm get goosebumps. Now just think about it. 793 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.920 I would get that urge now a head where I'm 794 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:50.559 thinking about I need to go to and I'll be 795 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:51.960 damning something didn't happen. 796 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.559 Now, it's see at that location. 797 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.800 Uh, we had a couple of emergencies at that location 798 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.840 that popped up. It's just happened to put us there 799 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.360 just before it happens. But a lot of it was 800 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:06.519 with the criminal activity. For some reason, it didn't happen 801 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.639 every night, but there was many times that you just 802 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.119 get this overwhelming urge. And nothing's routine about patrol anyway, 803 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.559 just to do your thing every night, you wait for calls, 804 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.519 you go out and do you do your little surveillances 805 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.679 stuff in the housing areas down in jungle and stuff 806 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.119 like that, because they always had trails coming on the posts. 807 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:24.880 But every now and then you. 808 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.320 Just get that urge just to go somewhere, and I'd 809 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.920 be damn when we did a few minutes later a 810 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.159 certain amount of time frame, something would happen. 811 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.639 Yeah, listen to your gut feeling. 812 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.800 Always listen to your gut feeling, and never stare you wrong. 813 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.599 Absolutely, and bringing that up for Daniel too, because when 814 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:49.800 we're out camping and if you're just sitting there relaxing, 815 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.480 all of a sudden you get this urge to go 816 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.280 out into the woods in a certain direction. 817 00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:02.320 Don't overlook it. Get up and go and see what 818 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.800 would manifest if anything manifested that point done. Something may 819 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.480 have been in the area you dis missed it, or 820 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.159 you may go out and have an encounter like Daniel 821 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.199 saying if you don't go out specifically looking for it. 822 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:13.400 I'm just saying, if you get that. 823 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.480 Urge to overwhelming urge and do something out of the ordinary, 824 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.440 take that chance to do it. You might be surprised sometimes. 825 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:27.320 You know, I gotta dissect everything anyway. I'm not one 826 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.280 to see every shadow or every tree falling down or 827 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.320 on the ground stuff is a bigfoot. I gotta I 828 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:40.679 guess you could say reverse engineer stuff something. Go from there, 829 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.519 but work go backwards to see what you. 830 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:42.920 Come up with. 831 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.079 Absolutely, no, you got involved in some things, you got 832 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:50.880 human activity involved in some things, and then some things 833 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.079 that you just can't explain. But I mean you just 834 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.760 got to look for the answer. Is that before you 835 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.239 actually come to any kind of conclusion or truth, what's 836 00:44:58.280 --> 00:44:58.679 going on? 837 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.400 And that's what next camp. So we go out to camp, the. 838 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.239 Camp, camaraderie, camaraderie with everyone we're camping with, have a 839 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.920 good time, relax, go hiking and whilest amongst all that. 840 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:12.519 We're also doing what research that we. 841 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.599 Can't you know, we're absolutely it's a multi faceted type. 842 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.199 We know we specifically look for big foot, that's part 843 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:20.480 of it. 844 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.079 But you we have this whole other element that we 845 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.280 enjoyed doing while we're out there, and something happened. 846 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.159 Something happened, some look. 847 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.000 To looking for. 848 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:34.800 Looking for what rock. 849 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:40.079 So, Okay, I'm a rock rock rock. 850 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.880 Yeah, I'm well. 851 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.880 But I get every time I go out on the 852 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.880 field in the field, if I'm going out for a 853 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.719 specific thing and I get to the location where I 854 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.000 want to be, I get pulled. I get pulled. I'll 855 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.760 get pulled to the to the west side of the location. 856 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.320 My cousin who works with me, he'll get pulled to 857 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.760 the left. I'll get pulled to the right. And we 858 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.280 could be in two separate parts of the of the 859 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.480 range of the ridge, working our way back towards each other, 860 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:17.519 you know, and filming and everything and saying the same 861 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.239 exact stuff on the videos, not knowing what each other 862 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:26.199 because it's just he's very sensitive. He gets he gets 863 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:27.920 pulled one way, I get pulled the other. 864 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.440 And uh. And I tell people like when I say, oh. 865 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.039 We want to go out, we want to do this, 866 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.239 or if I'm going out and I want to do 867 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.320 a certain thing, I say, and I'm going with people 868 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.480 that I know are like me get. 869 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:43.039 Get pulled in different directions. 870 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:47.039 They don't pull me off of my direction that I'm 871 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.519 going to because I have to go here. 872 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.800 But if you want to go that way, be my guest. 873 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.039 Go that way, but don't take don't drag me away 874 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.440 from where I gotta be, because you know what happens. 875 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.920 You get dragged away from where you were supposed to 876 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.960 be going, and something really interesting happens there, and then 877 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.599 you spend all your time there and you never get 878 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.039 to where you want to be, you know. 879 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.800 So that's what happens. It happens all the time time 880 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:13.360 we go out. 881 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.760 Yeah. 882 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.719 Well, David, Melissa, you know when we camped that up 883 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.760 by there over there in the hog Pen area, well 884 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.199 you know, you know that ridge up behind us, just 885 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.559 above the little the creek that flowed behind camp, Well 886 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.239 you know since day one, like well even I camped 887 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.679 there years ago by myself, well with another individual, however, 888 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.199 but since I was there. While we were there, I 889 00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.480 was like, I kept, you know, staring up there. I said, 890 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.760 you know something about the area. I really need to 891 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.000 check it out. So I found my way to get 892 00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.880 across up that area because I found an old log road. 893 00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.360 It was actually a driveway that goes there actually was 894 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.519 a house up there, but you can tell the house 895 00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:59.320 probably only gets occupied and probably during season. I don't know, 896 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.199 it didn't look it definitely was in. It didn't look 897 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.000 occupied at the moment. And because there it didn't look 898 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.639 like there's no fresh tracks of tires or anything up 899 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.400 the area. So I don't know how often that the 900 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:16.119 house I found up there gets visited or whatever. So 901 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.639 I just kept across. I stayed to the tree line, 902 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.480 you know, to cut across. And when I finally made 903 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.000 it across, I had to drop down a little vie 904 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.119 and it come back up, and that was a little 905 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.039 challenging because my knees got bad, you know, but I 906 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.239 managed to because I had I had a determination to, 907 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.760 like I needed to keep going. So I came up 908 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.400 above and you know, once I got up on the 909 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.920 higher ground directly above camp, you know, and that area, 910 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.199 I was like, you don't know how much I really 911 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:49.239 wanted to spend more time up there. But the time 912 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.000 that particularly time I did make it up there, it's like, 913 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.679 I don't I had a consider of the time. It's like, okay, 914 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:56.320 it's going to get dark at such as such time. 915 00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:59.039 I only have so much time to really explore up here. 916 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.360 But for what little time I was up there, you know, 917 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.920 I came across these different structures up there. Now, I 918 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.679 don't get excited as much on structures as I used 919 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.119 to when I first started on all this, But some 920 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.599 of these things stand out and look different to me now. 921 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.000 You know, it takes a lot to really impress me, 922 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.280 to intrigue me, to draw me in. I'm like, Okay, 923 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.519 this doesn't look natural, or this doesn't look or on 924 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:27.519 the other hand, it looks like, Okay, something took the 925 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.599 time to put this together, you know. So when I 926 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.519 find those kinds of things, it's like something tells me 927 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.519 I got to keep looking for these. But then again, 928 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.400 my other concern was at that particular time when we 929 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:44.119 when I was up there by myself, I said, okay, well, 930 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.199 I'm way up here. I got to find a way 931 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.360 back down. I said, I don't want to. I'm already 932 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:49.719 so far up this way. I'm not going to turn 933 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.559 around and go back the other way. Which that was. 934 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:54.719 That turned out not to be an issue. I found 935 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.519 it easy way down. I had to take my time 936 00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.320 come up down and cross the creek. I found it 937 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:04.000 easy way to across. But something on that side tells 938 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.159 me I want to go back there. That's one of 939 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.559 the things I've been thinking about a lot lately. But 940 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.039 I feel like there's something up there. I feel like something. 941 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.440 That that ridge, that exact ridge the line as we're 942 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:20.800 missing that. Uh, that encounter that the Pennsylvania couple had 943 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.280 when we left that day. And if they told you 944 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.679 that was down by the gate that leads you to 945 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.400 the lake that you have to walk to. Now that 946 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.440 ridge you know where they had to camper at, yeahge 947 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.400 right behind that you went up along and came over 948 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.559 because I remember you hollering at at one point. 949 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.320 Yeah. 950 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:44.360 Yeah, But that same ridge that evening they heard movement 951 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:49.800 up there. Uh that did not sound natural like a 952 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.800 deer or any or anything like that by their words, 953 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.920 and yeah, really uncomfortable by the type of movement which 954 00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.840 they really couldn't describe that they were hearing. 955 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.239 It just put them on edge. 956 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.159 The way of them. 957 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.639 It's like they tell you. Neither one of them. I 958 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.719 think they're both retired FBI. I know she is, but 959 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.559 she's not well versed a wildlife. Uh he is sort 960 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:20.199 of uh pretty much. I mean they opened up about 961 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.760 their encounter and stuff like that that looks pretty amazing. 962 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.599 I don't know Daniel told you about their encounter or 963 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.159 I can get to you at some point on that. 964 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.199 But that same Ridge line that evening, because they left 965 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.440 the next day. They have plans to leave the next day. Anyway, 966 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:37.239 they heard something that made them very uncomfortable moving along 967 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.719 at ridgeline. That you went up and you had already 968 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.559 left because you had a pack couple come on back in. 969 00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.599 You left that morning, we left that afternoon. 970 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:50.119 That was that the couple that was in the movie, 971 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.679 the Lake corn Ridge movie. 972 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:53.679 No, No, they weren't in this one. 973 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.159 No, I know there was a couple who's seen something 974 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.760 down by a gate and and that movie too. 975 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.119 Yeah, yeah, I made a separate video on that one, 976 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.280 uhel for one of his videos they put together. She 977 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:10.280 thought it was a bear originally, and she got to 978 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.760 talk to us, so we got to ask him the 979 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.360 questions because bears don't run. 980 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.199 On two feet in the way she described Anyway. 981 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.079 Then she was pretty much quiet the rest of the 982 00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.760 afternoon because pretty much stunned. 983 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.800 Yeah, and I've seen I've seen I've seen something about that. 984 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.639 Maybe I've been watching one of your other videos, Daniel, 985 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:29.800 where I've seen a woman. 986 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:30.639 Saying it was like a bear. 987 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.679 She thought it was a bear the whole time, but 988 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.800 it was running on two feet. You know, I don't. 989 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.599 Yeah, it genuinely affected her, you could tell. I mean 990 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.119 it really did. I truly believe her story. 991 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.519 Well, even more so because her husband thought that she 992 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:48.400 actually seen a bear. 993 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:52.760 So yeah, right, yeah, he went guy's revolver average vehicle, 994 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.440 and of course you know, he put it on him 995 00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.280 because and it still made that trip to the lake. 996 00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:59.840 It's about maybe three quarters of a mile walk to 997 00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:03.119 the woods along the scrabble roads. And then they still 998 00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.440 made that trip, but the conversation didn't take place until. 999 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.280 They got back from that. Okay, that's you can't really 1000 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:09.639 believe that. 1001 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.039 Well, after what he's seen and the questions we were 1002 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:16.760 asking and then watched, he now thinks wasn't the mayor 1003 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.559 probably big foot. They still made that trip up there 1004 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.639 and back, and she'd have known that beforehand. They probably 1005 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:23.199 wouldn't made. 1006 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:23.639 That trip up. 1007 00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:30.280 Right, put her on edge. As far as that's that. 1008 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.599 She's pretty much got quiet after. 1009 00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:33.800 That before we left. 1010 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.639 And then her husband he says, well, you're gonna tell 1011 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.679 me half of that, and then he got asking her 1012 00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:40.960 more questions. And I don't know what the conversation was 1013 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:42.559 after we left because we all had to get back 1014 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:47.239 and get ready for work stuff like that. But the 1015 00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.760 same words, Daniel, they they had they heard something. They 1016 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.079 put them on ends that night. 1017 00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.679 If you walked off, well you know that ridge. I 1018 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.199 don't know how else the best explained it. But I 1019 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.760 always even years ago, when I first camp to that 1020 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:07.639 spot with my buddy Greg and his son met up 1021 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.679 with me and came down there. We can't there. We 1022 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.000 had a park at the gate. The gate was closed. 1023 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:13.960 We parked up there at the gate and walked our 1024 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:18.400 camping gear all the way down. But it was a 1025 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.440 good time. I mean I didn't I didn't have too 1026 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.440 much gear. I was able to bring most of it 1027 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.599 in one shot at my tent and whatever a little 1028 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.199 bit I had at that particular time. But something, I 1029 00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.480 don't know, I something about that ridge. I felt something. 1030 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.480 I didn't know what I was really feeling, but something 1031 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:35.400 told me about that ridge. 1032 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.559 I felt like the ridge is behind And then you 1033 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.039 say there was that one video you made years back. 1034 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.679 Yeah, there was a trackway. We actually found the trackway. 1035 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.960 And there was a there was a couple camping out 1036 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:51.599 there and the stumping was pushing or hitting the camp 1037 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:52.159 they were in. 1038 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.519 Well, well here's yeah, here's a little rundown on that. 1039 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.599 So all right, me and Greg, we you know, we 1040 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:05.559 explored around the area, you know, from where we camp 1041 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.800 that if you go over towards if you're looking at 1042 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:10.960 the road that runs by the camp site, if you 1043 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.079 go to the right over by where that field is, 1044 00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.039 well I had I mean, in the past, I have 1045 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.360 found some you know, deer bones, you know, some you 1046 00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:23.280 know dearbones that were in the woods, and you know, 1047 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.920 you know it's not common. I mean, it's not uncommon 1048 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:31.199 to find deerbones. But but the particular dearbones I came 1049 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:36.320 across were like just like, oh, what's the word I'm 1050 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.519 trying to find? They were like really destroyed. They were 1051 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.280 like broke, snapped and twisted. The joints was broken the 1052 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.960 opposite directions. You know, look, your elbow, your elbow only 1053 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.920 goes one way when you've been your arm. Just picture 1054 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.000 your arm going to the opposite direction from your elbow. 1055 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.719 You know what, do you know what I'm saying there? 1056 00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.639 These are the deerbones I found, snap and twisted, just 1057 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:03.360 just from outside of the camp are just basically where 1058 00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.079 Paul and his wife were camping at, just beyond just 1059 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.760 over there, just probably twenty thirty feet or so, maybe 1060 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:13.239 a little further over in the tree line, close to 1061 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.159 the creek. You know, that's that's where I came across. 1062 00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.480 But my whole time there, we were exploring. Now, back 1063 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.840 when we camp there, uh back when I first camp there, 1064 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.119 it looked a little different because from where the creek was, 1065 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.599 there used to be more bushes and treelined dividing that 1066 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:33.880 creek in the camp in the grassy area where we 1067 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.199 camped at. So I noticed it was a little different 1068 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:38.960 looking when we camp there because I was like, Wow, 1069 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.599 where's all the bushes? I mean, maybe people cut him 1070 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:42.760 down or I don't know. 1071 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.880 Real quick, the forestry division and you've seen whether they're 1072 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:50.559 clearing out of all the dent ball of steff and 1073 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.800 flinting new trees, right, they did the same thing around 1074 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.480 the little camping area. There's like seven campsites along that 1075 00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:59.920 stretch road road you can camp anywhere back in there, 1076 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.800 just maintained and they out there were now and there 1077 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.000 for overbrushing and trees and stuff that needs to come down. 1078 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.440 And whatnot for the safety of the campus at least 1079 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:10.639 as much as they can anyway. 1080 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.559 And you remember where the vagrants was in that one 1081 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.440 camp site that was trashed. 1082 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.039 Oh yeah, yeah, another. 1083 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.960 Reason why they cut back a lot of the stuff. 1084 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:21.880 I got it. 1085 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:28.000 But yeah, so yeah, what I'm saying is like, all right, 1086 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.679 so right, like if you walk behind our camp you 1087 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.039 noticed that that, I guess you go. It looks like 1088 00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.920 an old like an old roadway or a log way, 1089 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:40.840 you know, a clear cut path. You know, well just 1090 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:42.440 be on there. You know, there used to be a tree, 1091 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.280 like a bush like there used to be these bushes 1092 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.880 that grew just dividing that roadway from the creek to 1093 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:54.079 where the campsites are. Well almost break. I'm almost certain 1094 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.039 it was directly behind where Paul and his wife had 1095 00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.920 their camper and your trucks set up at. I believe 1096 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:03.440 it was between there and where we were at. That's 1097 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.800 the same general area where I've camped at many some 1098 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.599 years ago, because my buddy I used to work with 1099 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.800 told me about this area, and uh I learned about it. 1100 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:13.920 If you're an old co worker that lives out in 1101 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:18.480 Singers Glenn not far from there, well, I when I 1102 00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:22.239 camped there. Now, I'll back up blueit. He told me 1103 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.440 a story, but I'll get to the story shortly. But 1104 00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.239 when I camped there. Uh. And then my my buddy 1105 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.159 Gregor and his son at the time, his young son 1106 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:33.199 at the time, we came out there. They can do 1107 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:36.039 with me, and we did a lot of walking around 1108 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:40.559 the general area and coming from the direction from the 1109 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:43.679 creek leading over to where my tent was. It used 1110 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.760 to be all flat grass right there between where the 1111 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:50.760 bushes were. And as you guys, you know, like David Wilsson, 1112 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.840 you guys see you guys know the picture in the video, 1113 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.000 and I got pictures of the trackway we came across 1114 00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:00.519 these tracks. These impressions, these you know, they were I 1115 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.800 measured him. They were about between fifty five to sixty 1116 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:07.639 inch proceeding fifty five to sixty inches apart, you know 1117 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:11.760 the game, and. 1118 00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.559 You used to preak a powder on each one and two. 1119 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.559 It actually showed the path. Is that what you're talking about, right? 1120 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.280 Yeah, because that's what I had to do because I 1121 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.920 had drug, I had some dry plaster, and because the 1122 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.400 picture without the plaster and you wouldn't be able to 1123 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.440 see what we saw. So I had to coat them. 1124 00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.920 I wanted I wanted him to show up in the picture. 1125 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.800 So that's what I did. I took dry plaster and 1126 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:39.280 covered each track everyone that we found. And again that's 1127 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.159 when I took out the in the picture. I got 1128 00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.039 a tape measure and they were like almost almost sixty 1129 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:48.639 inches apart. So either it was a long step or 1130 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:55.239 they were running right right walking. Yeah, absolutely, And so 1131 00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:59.360 I showed this picture to my my buddy Richard. Now 1132 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.920 he was in his he back then, back when I 1133 01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:08.119 worked with him over eight nine, ten years ago. Yeah, Richard, 1134 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:10.920 he uh, like, I haven't spoke to him in a while. 1135 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.880 I reached out to him a while back. I haven't 1136 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.760 heard nothing back from him. I hope he's okay, But yeah, 1137 01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:18.440 he was. He was in his sixties back back then 1138 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.199 when I worked with him. And again he's the one 1139 01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.440 that introduced me to that location and another area not 1140 01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:27.880 far from there as well. But when I showed him 1141 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.159 these pictures and talked to him, told him what I 1142 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:34.639 found and described the area I was camping in, he 1143 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:38.719 told me, he said, Daniel, he said, that's the same 1144 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:40.920 place for me and my wife camp at. They had 1145 01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.360 a camper, they had a small camper. I'm assuming it 1146 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.719 was a big you know, it was a small night 1147 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.639 and you know, fifteen to twenty quarter maybe somewhere along 1148 01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:53.519 like what Paul was. Paul and his wife had and 1149 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.800 he said, that's the same exact spot where we had 1150 01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.960 our camper. Slapped him bang. You know, it happened twice, 1151 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.679 say one night, because he said it was about two 1152 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.760 o'clock in the morning or something banged and shook his 1153 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.599 camper and he ran out of his camper with his 1154 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.880 pistol and he had he had a light. He looked around, 1155 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.159 he didn't see nothing. And after he decided, okay, there's 1156 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.360 nothing around, he went back in his camper. He said, 1157 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:25.280 it probably wasn't even five minutes later it happened again. 1158 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.599 So what the heck is doing that? I mean, something 1159 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:33.599 was there and not to mention. He he went on 1160 01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:37.639 to ad there was another younger couple that, uh, there's 1161 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:41.840 their little boys. He played baseball softball with their grandson. 1162 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:47.440 They camped further down. Probably you guys recalled, David will say, 1163 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:49.079 you guys recalled there was a camper way in the 1164 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.559 back of the up down on the end in the corner. 1165 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.519 Well the way he described it, Their camper was way 1166 01:01:56.559 --> 01:02:00.239 down by the before you get to that, you know, 1167 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:03.440 it was much further down, probably closer to the other 1168 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.800 tree line. But they had a similar incident where that 1169 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:11.800 happened to them. So I don't know now, you know, 1170 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:15.800 he didn't see nothing. He's like he didn't. He felt 1171 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.920 there was something there, Something was messing around with him. 1172 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.400 You could be maybe not sit when you're getting to 1173 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:24.239 cover consilerment. 1174 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.920 Yeah, I mean this is supposed to, like I said, 1175 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.039 his incident that he told me happened around two o'clock 1176 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:38.800 in the morning. Now some years ago later on. Uh, 1177 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.840 there we was these group of guys. I was over 1178 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.800 in Elk Corn Lake my my other not my trail blazer, 1179 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.800 but my other blazer I used to have. I was 1180 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.320 parked at the bath house that goes into the Elk 1181 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.800 Corn Lake and these guys are in a small pickup truck, 1182 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:57.320 young guys. They saw my decals on my blazer and 1183 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:01.119 they saw me standing outside and they they recognized, oh okay, 1184 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.280 I got bigfoot on you, blah blah blah, and they 1185 01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.159 stopped to talk to him, and they pull out their 1186 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:07.360 cell phone and wanted. 1187 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:11.000 To share these pictures with me, and sure enough they 1188 01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:15.480 showed me this trackway and it was about I'm estimating, 1189 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.119 judging from the pictures, they would probably beginning two to 1190 01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:19.519 three inches of snow. 1191 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.800 Of these large long I don't know, they were probably 1192 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:29.719 between eighteen and twenty inches of these large humanoid looking tracks, 1193 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:33.639 clear as could be, in a long straight stretch on 1194 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:37.360 this roadway. And here I am thinking, okay, this is 1195 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.119 they show me something they got from around here, and 1196 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:43.199 now I'm like, these are very impressive of me. I said, 1197 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:45.760 where was this? Was this up here? I said, no? 1198 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:49.119 They told me the area. They said it is over 1199 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:51.199 in folks run up by the Hogpin area on one 1200 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:55.039 of the back roads. And my job on drop. I said, 1201 01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:59.519 what are you serious? I said, man, this monster there's 1202 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:01.800 a monster out there. I'm telling you, even though we 1203 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.800 didn't witness, there's a monster out there, we got to 1204 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.760 find them. But that's what Yeah, that's what I learned. 1205 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.840 So that's why the area. 1206 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.199 Huh. I was just ahead that. 1207 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.280 No, I'm just saying no, I'm pretty much done now, 1208 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.400 but I'm just saying, yeah, there's that's one of the 1209 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.360 main areas that I wanted to really start spending, uh, 1210 01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.559 spending some time in the area. Even though I know 1211 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.320 that I've had reports and other things that occurred in 1212 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.360 Elk One. Apart from my own, I've heard from others 1213 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:42.519 the Hawking area has been a a major area of 1214 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.480 interest wherever really wanted to dedicate some time in there. Ever, 1215 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.760 since I can't there and I've learned other things I've had, 1216 01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.880 I've heard reports from bear hunters. Now, keep in mind 1217 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.320 bear hunters. We know bear hunters know they're bear right, Well, 1218 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:59.719 why would a bear hunter see something large, dark and 1219 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:04.320 hair standing beside a tree peeking out at them? And 1220 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:06.199 if it was a bear, what don't they recognized as 1221 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:11.559 a bear? You know? That's another report I've learned about it. Yeah, 1222 01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.760 so bear hunters have claimed to have seen things out 1223 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.320 in that general area. So there's definitely something to do that, 1224 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:17.880 you know. 1225 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:24.119 Is I ready to explode here? You got to say? 1226 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:22.039 So? 1227 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.519 Speaking of bear hunters, my cousin, my cousin, my nephew, Todd, 1228 01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:29.400 he's a bear hunter. 1229 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:31.280 He lives back in the Science West, Virginia. 1230 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:34.840 Oh yeah, a few. 1231 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.599 Back, actually, it was November nine. 1232 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:43.320 One of our coworkers at work, he's no longer employed. 1233 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:44.639 There, but he's incarcerated there. 1234 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.079 Yeah, he's incarcerated now. 1235 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.159 Oh lord, he was a bear hunter too. 1236 01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:50.639 Now he's a feeling. 1237 01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:53.719 I worked with some of them. 1238 01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.039 He informed me one day. He was telling me that 1239 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:06.000 a friend of his that bear hunts him and. 1240 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.400 His wife had been back at the. 1241 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:14.480 Hogpen Road area in November and. 1242 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:19.519 They seen a bigfoot that they had pictures, plus they 1243 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.239 had video, and they'd also found but we have not 1244 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.719 seen them yet. I had given this ex employee, I'd 1245 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.519 given him my phone number to pass on to this 1246 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:34.320 individual and his wife because we wanted to talk to 1247 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:38.239 them to try to find out their story and then 1248 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:40.960 possibly meet them back there so they could show us. 1249 01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:47.639 According to the ex employee, they had seen the bigfoot 1250 01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:53.280 just above Hogpen Road in the field, the open field area. 1251 01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:56.840 And that's why thereby the parking lot area. 1252 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:58.920 So it's kind of the same place where Shechiryl and 1253 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.000 Paul had seen, you know, where Cheryl had seen what 1254 01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:02.760 she thought. 1255 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.039 Was a bear. No, no, no, that's kind of in 1256 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:05.639 that area. 1257 01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:07.119 The impressure I get. 1258 01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:09.360 It's in the overlook area when you come up to 1259 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:11.519 a little overlook where they used to have that. 1260 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.400 Where the gate is. The first game. 1261 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:16.840 Stopped there and then they've seen it down in the 1262 01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.519 field basically with the big camping to the right of 1263 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:21.760 the area where they've seen it down in the field. 1264 01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:29.320 But I have not heard anything from this guy yet, 1265 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.000 the guy and his wife. I think I'm going to 1266 01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:35.320 try to send them a message here in a couple 1267 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:37.360 of weeks, because it looks like his mother just died. 1268 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:37.960 Yesterday. 1269 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.239 I was looking at some of his photos on his 1270 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.360 Facebook page. 1271 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.719 There are two photos of a big footprint. 1272 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:53.000 Well maybe possibly, but wow, Yeah, apparently they do lot 1273 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:55.719 of exploring in the woods because he's also got pictures 1274 01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:56.519 of his kids. 1275 01:07:56.679 --> 01:08:03.000 But yeah, there's two photos that I found that are 1276 01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:08.440 possible bigfoot tracks and the one looked like it might 1277 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:09.239 be pretty heavy. 1278 01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:15.079 Well, do you guys, Yeah, do you guys recall the 1279 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.560 girl April that camped out with us before I had 1280 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:21.960 to bring her back home? Yes, well she had. Now 1281 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:27.359 the thing is with the guys she was dating some 1282 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.520 years ago, who she her a couple of kids came 1283 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:36.119 from him to her twins. Well, I got called. She 1284 01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.560 called me back when they were camping. They were camping 1285 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:42.159 not far from Elkham Lake. They were on the other 1286 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:46.600 end closer to the scouts Hield side and the location. 1287 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:48.399 I know exactly whether it because I met up with 1288 01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:53.800 him and she had called me, and of course I 1289 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.800 met up with Brianna, my daughter, Brianna, she was just 1290 01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:59.920 a teenager at the time and she was with me. 1291 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.439 So I met up with them and I investigated them. 1292 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.920 I recorded, actually I got on film. I recorded it. 1293 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:13.600 There is well, the story they had was they were 1294 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:17.359 sitting there around camp. Now they never saw nothing. However, 1295 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:21.439 from where their campsite was. If you if you know 1296 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.000 the equation location, I can tell you it's almost similar 1297 01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:28.640 that particular spot they were at. It was almost similar 1298 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:33.399 to how our campsite was up by hogged over just 1299 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.079 a little ways, it drops down then you get the 1300 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:38.600 little creek. Well that's exactly how this spot was. There 1301 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.399 was a creek down at the bottom and then it 1302 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.920 flattened out and went out so far. Well, it was 1303 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.800 at one night one time where you know, they started 1304 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:51.199 having these small little pebbles being thrown at them and 1305 01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:54.039 they didn't know what the heck that was. You know, 1306 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:56.159 they kind of, I guess basically they brushed it off 1307 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.000 because it was small little pebbles. They didn't know what 1308 01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.720 to think. Then it wasn't until where I think she 1309 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.439 said she claimed she saw a larger rock or was 1310 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.479 whizzing over her head. Everybody was accounted for at the time, 1311 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:13.960 and I actually had her. I actually interviewed her. She 1312 01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:17.600 was one of my last one of my last recent interviews, 1313 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:18.880 and I asked her. I said, look, I want you 1314 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:21.239 to tell you a story. Of course, she's not good 1315 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.560 in going into details, but she did the best she could. However, 1316 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:30.079 but even though you know, she didn't see nothing, something 1317 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:32.720 was throwing rocks over into the campsite by the fire, 1318 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:35.560 and one one of the rocks came over the top 1319 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.560 of her head. It didn't hit her, but she started 1320 01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:40.439 she heard it come in and she saw it and 1321 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.000 then it landed right behind her. And then next you know, 1322 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.920 she wants to go sit and stay in the car 1323 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:46.000 all night instead of the tent. 1324 01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:52.920 Yeah it works, Yeah, yeah, what do you what are 1325 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:57.199 your thoughts on feeding them giving them food? 1326 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.000 Well, I actually I love Yeah. Let me kind of 1327 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.439 get to that in a second, because I want I 1328 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.840 wanted to add something to that. Well, April, this is 1329 01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:11.359 a girl's name. Her name is April. She actually seen 1330 01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:14.640 a bigfoot when I think she said she was twelve 1331 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:16.880 years old or maybe a little oli. She was a 1332 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.680 young girl. But she was with a friend of hers. 1333 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:22.319 And I know, David Wilsson know this area that I'm 1334 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:24.479 about to mention, and this is just before you get 1335 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.720 into Matthias, West Virginia. Off for what's that thirty two 1336 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.840 or if looking at six fift whatever it is, but 1337 01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:36.800 over Burton Bergen, Virginia, right before you get into West Virginia. Yeah, 1338 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:40.640 I believe when she was with her friend, they were 1339 01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:43.159 on a bike. They were riding down this one area 1340 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.520 and she said she's seen it clear as day. She 1341 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:49.560 said it came out right of the out of the 1342 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.159 street line while where they were riding your bikes at 1343 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:55.920 and stepped out and she said they started chasing them. 1344 01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:01.119 She said she had, yeah, but never pursued them. I 1345 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.000 guess they only went so far and never really pursued them. 1346 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:07.279 But her big first sighting was her first big first 1347 01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:09.600 sighting or her actually only big for sighting to be 1348 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.039 honest with, happened at a young age, her and her 1349 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:19.520 friend or on a bike together. So but that area Burton, 1350 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:24.319 you know, that was before May Matthia Swist, Virginia. And 1351 01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:28.680 it's also just out a little bit further outside of 1352 01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:31.760 the Fulk Throne area, as Melissa and David know that area. 1353 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:36.520 So yeah, so that area there the reason I want 1354 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:39.680 I want to share that with you guys, because you know, 1355 01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:42.000 she swears by that, because she told me about this 1356 01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:45.479 years ago, and I wanted her to bring it up again. Uh, 1357 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:48.680 you know in the previous podcast, and that podcast is 1358 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:52.199 the titled they Started Chasing Us was the title I 1359 01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:57.600 named it. So, but uh, there's a story out there. 1360 01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.520 West Virginia and Burton and all the there is. I 1361 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.880 mean that it's all connected with the mountain ranges around here. 1362 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:06.319 I mean. 1363 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:10.720 Any crypto big foot one ever, I mean they go 1364 01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.640 full full range back here to go wherever they want. 1365 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.000 And I'm not one to think I don't know, but 1366 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:19.720 I'm not wanting to think like they're just gonna hang 1367 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:21.000 out in one little territory. 1368 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:26.159 No not, I think I think they move around. 1369 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.680 They got they got a big range, a regular you know, 1370 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:31.399 just like a regular. 1371 01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.640 Pack of wolves has a range of a thousand miles. 1372 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:37.000 I think of something like that. So if you have 1373 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:40.399 a plan a bigfoot as big as they are, and 1374 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.319 say they have a large family of six or seven 1375 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:47.560 they're gonna need a big range, you know. 1376 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:49.359 Oh yeah. 1377 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:52.560 And I don't believe that they migrate north or south, 1378 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:55.840 you know, they don't go south for I think they 1379 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.920 migrate in a circular pattern, so that whenever they start off, 1380 01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.479 by the time they get back there, it'll be a 1381 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:06.439 year later, and it'll give that area time to regrow 1382 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.920 and replenish the food sources there, you know. And I 1383 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:12.319 think they just move that And I think that's why 1384 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:17.439 police up here in New York I have different plans 1385 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:20.760 at different locations at different times of the year because 1386 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:24.560 they're in that circular migration. So if I go there, 1387 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:28.359 if they're there in the fall, all the time they 1388 01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.079 go there in the summer, they're probably not going to 1389 01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.840 be there. They may be at a different location, you know. 1390 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:36.000 But if I go back in the fall, I know 1391 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:39.359 they'll be there, and vice versa for the other locations 1392 01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:43.800 as well. So that's the way I think they migrate anyway, 1393 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:45.039 in the circular pattern. 1394 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.319 It's a food source up in your area, would. 1395 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.560 Would calls in to do that because I'm thinking down 1396 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:55.159 here Virginia, there's a bund of food year round. Yeah, 1397 01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:57.399 they may not follow that kind of a path where 1398 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:01.439 some places where they may have to let regrowth take place, 1399 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:03.159 they could migrate around. 1400 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:04.279 With a lot of animals to do that. 1401 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:06.800 You know that they follow you know, the seasons and 1402 01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:10.399 stuff like that, you know, moving around possibility. 1403 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:13.439 Yeah, like I said, I don't I don't think they 1404 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.279 follow the deers from north to south or whatever, because 1405 01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:19.399 we got plenty of deer in New York. 1406 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.199 I mean that we have all kinds. 1407 01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:26.079 I got my backyard, I have everything under the sun, 1408 01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:30.319 and from turkeys to deer to foxes, you name it, 1409 01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:34.640 we have it. And and you're here all year long, 1410 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:38.520 you know what I mean. So, but I think if 1411 01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:42.359 you have, if you have a big plan, a family 1412 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:46.560 unit like that, you would have to because there's also 1413 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:50.039 like a one of my locations, there's a lot of 1414 01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:53.359 nut trees and then in the fall, the nuts just 1415 01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:56.479 just millions of different kinds of nuts on the ground. 1416 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:00.439 And I think they're they're they're collecting those things for 1417 01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:05.800 you know, protein when they can't find any deer or 1418 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:09.760 turkey or anything in the woods, you know, or maybe 1419 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.000 some of the lakes are frozen or the streams are 1420 01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:16.319 frozen and they can't get a fish or something. But yeah, 1421 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.960 I mean, it's just that's just one man's opinion. 1422 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:20.039 Don't kill me on that. 1423 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:22.159 But that's why we're out there to find out. 1424 01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:30.439 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Daniel, he asked about the. 1425 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:31.279 Gifting I'm talking about. I'm more concerned about feeding and 1426 01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:35.279 you know what I mean, Like, I know people feed 1427 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:39.239 them like twinkies and crap like that, and I know 1428 01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:42.479 people who feed them like meat and then these things 1429 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:46.800 follow them home because they want more meat. And you know, yeah, 1430 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:50.000 I'm the type of guy. My opinion again, one one 1431 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:54.079 man's opinion. Don't kill me on this if you should, 1432 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.600 if you're going, if you feel the need you need 1433 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.800 to feed these creatures. And I don't think we believe 1434 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:00.800 we need to feed them. But if you want to 1435 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:05.119 feed them, feed them fruits, fruits and vegetables that grow 1436 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.199 in that area, something they can find all the time 1437 01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.239 on their own, you know what I mean, and leave 1438 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:12.359 the twinkies at home. 1439 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:17.279 Absolutely, I agree, because you know, I've been asked about 1440 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.119 this by several others in the past, and I've always 1441 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.800 shared my honest opinion on this. Again, this is my 1442 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:28.199 honest opinion and the way I look at this. If 1443 01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:30.600 a lot of people I don't know for some reason 1444 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:34.800 they want to leave peanut butter and apples. Hey, to me, 1445 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:38.800 that's your f that's fine, but you're taking a risk. 1446 01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:41.800 Conserned the area you're doing this in. This is the 1447 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:47.079 area where people camp at. You're habituating a lot of 1448 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:50.680 wildlfe because you know there's no guarantee that Bigfoot's being 1449 01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:55.680 drawn into this food source where bears and raccoons and 1450 01:17:56.159 --> 01:18:00.159 whatever else. Yeah, you're habituating them. They're being drawn into 1451 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:03.199 this because bears. I've done this. I've done peanut butter 1452 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:07.000 with bears before. H well not I wasn't trying to 1453 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:11.159 get a bears, but I this is one particular area 1454 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.520 in George Washington National Forest here in Virginia where I 1455 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.479 had a large jaw of peanut butter and I I 1456 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:22.079 was smeared it on different pieces of this area, you know, 1457 01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:24.680 on a stump and broke the limbs and this is there. 1458 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.119 Then I left the whole jard peanut butter. I also 1459 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:31.319 put a trail camera there so just to see what 1460 01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:36.439 would happen. And here again, this is down by uh. 1461 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.880 I know al won't be familiar with the area, but 1462 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:42.039 this is the area I've also camped in several times. 1463 01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:46.399 It's down by the Lynhurst area in Virginia. It's in 1464 01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:49.720 the National Forest and the area is brught off of 1465 01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:53.399 that what we know as the Coal Road. And I've 1466 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:55.640 had some experiences down there too, don't get me wrong. 1467 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.439 I can share it later. But this one particular area 1468 01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:03.039 where I ferimented with peanut butter. You know, it's like 1469 01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.399 people don't realize a lot of animals like peanut butter. 1470 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:09.079 But I had a trail camera set on this spot. 1471 01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.399 And when I retreated my trail camera because of course, 1472 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:14.920 when I went to go back there, okay, oh, the 1473 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.159 whole jar peanut butter was gone. Oh maybe Bigfoot took me. 1474 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:22.439 I started reviewing my trail camera pictures and here's this bear. 1475 01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:25.720 Everywhere I smeared peanut butter, because you know, they got 1476 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.439 a nose. They will fall but nose everywhere you put 1477 01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:31.359 whatever you want on it. Of course, everywhere the peanut 1478 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:35.439 butter was smearing at there's that bear. The last picture 1479 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:39.239 on my trailer cameras was that big jar peanut butter 1480 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:42.399 in the muff of the bear running off. He's like, 1481 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:46.640 I'm taking the rest of this with me, you know, 1482 01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:49.000 And I hear so many people talk about, oh they 1483 01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:53.000 use peanut butter. You know, Bigfoot loves peanut butter. Well, sorry, 1484 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:54.000 but there's you too. 1485 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:55.960 I mean. 1486 01:19:56.880 --> 01:20:01.159 So, but with that being said, I I've learned of 1487 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:04.359 other people putting apples and stuff in up behind areas 1488 01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:08.359 where people are camping at and you know, apples, deers 1489 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.760 love apples. I mean, if you're gonna use apples, put 1490 01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:14.399 them up, you know, based off a wave seen on 1491 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:17.159 other shows and documentaries, which I think it's a smart 1492 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:20.159 idea to do. Put your apples up high, set them 1493 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:24.720 a pie to where you know, maybe it might rule 1494 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:27.760 out other animals, but even the deer will stand up 1495 01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:29.680 in their high legs or grab that apple if it's 1496 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:30.479 within the region. 1497 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:30.880 You know. 1498 01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:35.439 But with that again, would that be said when you 1499 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:39.119 use food, food could be very dangerous to the animals 1500 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.119 because one thing that we don't know is we don't 1501 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:44.239 know if they're allergic to what we what we have, 1502 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.279 you know, because they you know, they might like the food, 1503 01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:50.720 but then again it might cause more harm than asia. 1504 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:55.479 Second secondly, if it's a predator animal like a bear, 1505 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:57.600 you know which spar is using on bob Us. But 1506 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.560 if you're going to habituate food, and you're drawing these 1507 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:04.760 wildlife animals into the area where they're they're being attracted 1508 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:08.039 to what to what we're putting out there, it's you know, 1509 01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:10.880 and then you get people out there, then there might 1510 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.000 be a conflict. You know, there might be an issue 1511 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.119 because they're going to see the other people think, hey, 1512 01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:17.760 where's this apple, where's this peanut butter? We want more 1513 01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:19.720 of it. You know, we're gonna come test to you 1514 01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:21.840 or maybe cause you harm till we find it. 1515 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:22.079 You know. 1516 01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:27.000 So but then again animal allergies too. 1517 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:30.239 Yeah, I don't want to get into all that putting 1518 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:32.119 food and stuff out and we got enough of an 1519 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.359 issue just trying to maintain what food we take out 1520 01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:39.439 there and try to protect it as much as possible, 1521 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.680 to keep from drawing wild animals in just to the 1522 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.680 camp area self, let alone, like you said, put stuff 1523 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.760 out there in the woods not too far from camp 1524 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:52.319 and you, just like I said, you're just habituating that behavior. 1525 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.239 Then they're going to start focusing in on campus. Not 1526 01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:58.880 some campus may not you know a lot of campers, 1527 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:03.319 I mean they don't all certain guidelines and that's expective, right, 1528 01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:09.079 Why enhance the possibility of a dangerous encounter or some 1529 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.000 sort uh FoST will go to the be there. 1530 01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:14.039 Don't don't enhance it, you. 1531 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.000 Know, Yeah, no I would. I don't. I've never First 1532 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.239 of all, I don't do food. But if I did, 1533 01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:22.800 it would never be in any location where there are campers. 1534 01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:26.600 That would be at you know, locations that are far 1535 01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:30.239 off the beaten paths where there are no campers. All 1536 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.039 of the locations that I need, all the locations that 1537 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:36.960 I that I investigate at are there are no campsites, 1538 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.319 you know what I mean. It's just you just go 1539 01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:44.840 off up into the woods. There's no legal camping anywhere around, 1540 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.800 you know, set up a tent in the middle of 1541 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.079 the woods and nobody knows you're there, then so be it. 1542 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:55.680 But uh, there are no campsites. Yeah, I wouldn't do 1543 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:57.439 that because even if you. 1544 01:22:57.319 --> 01:22:59.920 Just put out apples, right and you bring in deer, 1545 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.279 you're bringing in prey animals. Then you're going to bring 1546 01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:05.000 the predators in after the prey, you know what I mean, 1547 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:06.119 So you put. 1548 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:07.119 A lot of people in days. 1549 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:10.279 That's that's stupid. Absolutely, I would never do that. 1550 01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:15.640 Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. One of the things during 1551 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:18.119 what I want to say it was during one of 1552 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:21.680 my group It was during one of my group campouts 1553 01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:25.880 my buddy Tracy, Uh when when it was actually back 1554 01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:29.199 in twenty fourteen when I did my first Majors group 1555 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:34.239 camp out where we actually had her encounter, Tracy, is 1556 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:36.920 what I mean. We never had no activity around it. However, 1557 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:38.840 I thought it was the coolest thing that he did. 1558 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:41.800 He didn't do it near camp. He did it on 1559 01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:43.560 the outskirts of camp, in the back of the woods 1560 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:47.920 up behind. It was actually in the same area most 1561 01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:50.479 of the David you guys know where we camp. That 1562 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:52.920 where Melissa got she woke up and got whooked. That 1563 01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:57.520 had the whoops well over along the creek bed way 1564 01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:01.000 up behind there. My buddy Tracey, he had a small 1565 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:03.319 little dome tent he set up in the back of 1566 01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:06.399 the woods and he kept a little light on the inside. 1567 01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.640 Now he didn't do nothing special about it, but he 1568 01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:11.640 did add a trail taper set up on it. You know, 1569 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:15.399 he thought maybe by leaving a little dummy camp you know, 1570 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:17.800 set up further away out on the outside of camp, 1571 01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:19.640 just to you know, just to see if there was 1572 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:22.600 anything that would happen around it, which we never had 1573 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:26.800 anything on it, you know, which I regardless. I mean 1574 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:28.520 I was kind of hoping he would because I thought 1575 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.319 that would have been cool to see if anything came 1576 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:37.239 around that camp. But but yeah, I've done gifting before. 1577 01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:41.399 I've experiment experimented with gifting in a couple of different ways. 1578 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:47.680 One was I made these little trinkets, like taking yarn 1579 01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.119 and putting little beads along the yarn, like making a 1580 01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:53.760 little little cheap you know, necklaces and bracelets and stuff 1581 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:57.520 like that, where I've left him on stumps uff behind camp. 1582 01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:01.960 And uh see there was another thing. What the what 1583 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:02.880 was the other thing I did? 1584 01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:04.319 Oh? 1585 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:07.039 And the holy yeah, that was around elk corn. I 1586 01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:10.119 never got really much on there. I mean I found 1587 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:12.640 stuff on the ground. I mean that could have been 1588 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.359 from other animals being nosy, and you know, it could 1589 01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.600 have been a bear or raccoons or anything, because like 1590 01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:21.279 I said, the trinkets and the little things I put 1591 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:25.199 together were on top of a dead stump. Then again, 1592 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:27.199 later on I found them on the ground, but they 1593 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:31.800 easily got knocked off from or whatever. But another thing 1594 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:32.960 I've done before. 1595 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:38.359 Yeah, Cole was like to take stuff like that. 1596 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:45.840 Oh yeah, especially shiny it's shiny. Yeah, for sure. Yeahs 1597 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:49.439 to do that, Yeah, because they'll get curious, like, oh, 1598 01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:54.680 what's this, you know, the one thing I've done before. 1599 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.840 H Again, this is back in a totally different area 1600 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.800 over back off the coal road. I made a rock stack. 1601 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:03.920 Uh. 1602 01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:07.720 And I put the rock stack in a location where 1603 01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:10.039 I've actually got tree knocks in the middle of the 1604 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:13.439 daytime and my daughter was present with me. I got 1605 01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:17.439 responses to my tree knocks very close. And but this 1606 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:21.000 particular area I made a rock stack. It wasn't it 1607 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:23.439 was it was just off the trail. There was a 1608 01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.840 there's a trail in this particular particular area, and it 1609 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:28.840 was well off the trail, and I made a rock 1610 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.000 stack just for the heck of it, you know, playing around, 1611 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:35.000 and you know, I would visit. I would come up 1612 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:37.720 and visit that far between a week the two weeks 1613 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:42.479 at a time, and one of my visits, I noticed 1614 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:46.880 the top rock was sitting down on the ground. Okay, 1615 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.079 because I know I took pictures of this, I know how, 1616 01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:51.600 I exactly how I had it. I was like, oh, 1617 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:55.239 this is interesting. So I put the top rock back 1618 01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:59.560 on and left. Came back another maybe about two weeks later, 1619 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:06.560 and came back, the rock top rock was off again, 1620 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:09.840 but this time I don't know, maybe it was a coincidence. 1621 01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:13.079 There was a very large turkey feather laying on the 1622 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:17.359 ground right up against that little rock stack, and again 1623 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:20.840 that top rock was on the ground. So I did 1624 01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:25.560 something different. I said, okay, you know, just entertaining the 1625 01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:29.199 thought that maybe I got gifted, you know, So I 1626 01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:31.720 took that turkey feather, put it on top, and then 1627 01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:34.279 that top rock back on top so it would be 1628 01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:36.239 weighted down so the wind would have blow it off. 1629 01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:41.079 And then again another two weeks later, I came back 1630 01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:44.640 again and the turkey feather was down and the top 1631 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:48.279 rock was off. Something kept removing that top rock. What 1632 01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:51.319 the heck was doing? So I don't know. Stuff like 1633 01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.920 that I find interesting, Uh, you know, I think it's 1634 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:57.079 entertaining to the mind. 1635 01:27:57.239 --> 01:27:57.399 You know. 1636 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:01.279 You know, I never end up trail campras set upon 1637 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.560 it on what was doing it? But you know, I 1638 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:06.720 maybe passed, maybe I should have. But I can't say 1639 01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:09.840 Big for did it because I wasn't. There was no 1640 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:12.439 evidence to suggest that Big Boot was doing that. But 1641 01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:16.039 I just thought that was quite interesting that something kept 1642 01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:18.279 removing that top rock and even have to put that 1643 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:21.960 turkey feather back on top, you know. But it was fun. 1644 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:24.279 I mean I canna say it's stuff like that's fun. 1645 01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:27.560 You know. It kind of entertained the mind, like, Okay, 1646 01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:29.880 there's something going on here, but you just don't know. 1647 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:35.319 What when we can't tell the elcorn A couple of guys, 1648 01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:36.439 I think it's that time wrong. 1649 01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:37.000 When I was. 1650 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:39.560 It was in the spring. 1651 01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:42.000 I don't want to. 1652 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:46.600 Oh, oh, how you talking. 1653 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:51.960 To about that dry stream bed? And a couple of 1654 01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.399 weeks later I think it was Bill because I went back. 1655 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:56.319 Yeah, Dale came across it. 1656 01:28:56.439 --> 01:28:56.640 Yeah. 1657 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:02.399 Dale, he was to where they made that stack of rocks. 1658 01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.039 The stack of rocks is still there, but he found 1659 01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:10.039 by it some bones that were inertralling. 1660 01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:13.560 Yeah. It looked oh yeah, it looked like a reef 1661 01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:15.319 right something. 1662 01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:17.079 Yeah, that's what he described it. Yeah. 1663 01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:21.479 I think he sent you the picture. Yeah, on my phone, 1664 01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:23.479 so I think he had sent you the picture. 1665 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:27.399 So that's just another intriguing thing that took place. And 1666 01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:30.880 he was a couple of weeks we broke campus and I. 1667 01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:34.399 Had found a rock with clear quarts in it and 1668 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:36.800 white courts, and I had put that on top of 1669 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:39.439 my stack and Dale said that. 1670 01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:40.800 That was gone. 1671 01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:43.000 Wow, the stack. 1672 01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:46.079 But some of the stacks had been taken down, but 1673 01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:49.479 my stack was still there, and I think Ron's was 1674 01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:53.479 also and part of Dale's. But yeah, the braided vine 1675 01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:57.359 was in the spot there where we had all done 1676 01:29:57.359 --> 01:29:59.319 our stack of rocks on that stone. 1677 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:03.039 So you know, looking back at that, you know what 1678 01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:07.920 I find interesting about that was there's one area. Are 1679 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:12.520 you guys familiar with the where the uh the heck? 1680 01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:16.680 Is it called the wildlife the Wildlife Center or down 1681 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:27.079 by lynn Hurst, Virginia Wildlife. Yeah, well, yeah, that well 1682 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:29.680 that's it. I call it Lynhurst because it's going as 1683 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.760 you go down there, you go into Lynhurst, which will 1684 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:35.199 lead you down to the Colt Road where I camp at, well, 1685 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:38.000 right where the Wildlife Center is. Now, keep in mind 1686 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.279 if you know that area that's just on the below 1687 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.960 the parkway and it's all not beforeest around there and 1688 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:48.319 a deep forest. Well I have come across. I got 1689 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:52.279 pictures of some of these, I don't know, very mind 1690 01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:56.399 blowing structures informations out there. Well, one of the times 1691 01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:58.720 I was down there, I was there's an area there's 1692 01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:00.800 a gate where you can park at gate and you 1693 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.880 walk in and it goes it'll bring you all the 1694 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:04.720 way to the top of the parkway, which I didn't 1695 01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:07.199 go that far. But I've come across a lot of 1696 01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:09.760 interesting things. I've seen Bobcat tracks and this and that 1697 01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:13.079 if you follow the trail up there. But known me, 1698 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:17.079 I I don't stay on trails. I venture off. But 1699 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:20.199 I got a picture I found out in the middle 1700 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:24.399 of the woods, Like this is like really crazy. I've 1701 01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:27.840 heard of you know, it's believed that Bigfoot does some 1702 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:31.159 very interesting things. Now you know, I did witness what 1703 01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:33.319 made it. But I got a picture of this. I'll 1704 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:34.760 have to look it up, but I got a picture 1705 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:39.880 of exactly what Dale found. At the other campsite where 1706 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:43.159 we camped that before, by that rock stack, I found 1707 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:48.720 a very similar woven uh you know, buying thing that 1708 01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:52.479 looks like a reef on the It was laying. It 1709 01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:55.319 was laying flat on the ground deep out those woods. 1710 01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:59.079 I was like, what the heck. I'm looking around like thinking, okay, 1711 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:02.039 could somebody have made this and dropped it out here? 1712 01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:06.159 I mean, I don't know. I know there's no hunting 1713 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:07.680 up there, well I don't know. I don't know if 1714 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.319 hunting is allowed in this particular area because this is 1715 01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:15.239 just this is just past where the Wildlife Center is 1716 01:32:16.359 --> 01:32:18.119 and it's not the woods up there that goes up 1717 01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:21.640 to the parkway, you know. And again this is a 1718 01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.600 very interesting area because you know, you know, all kinds 1719 01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:26.880 of wildlife come through the bears. Like I said, I 1720 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:30.159 come across. I had some pictures of bombcat tracks that 1721 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:34.159 roam through that had grown through there, and uh but yeah, 1722 01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:37.760 I got pictures of a very identical look of reef 1723 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:41.439 that Dale came across, so which I you know, I 1724 01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:42.439 thought that was interesting. 1725 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:44.159 So but. 1726 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:51.439 Absolutely, yeah it is. I mean I wish we had 1727 01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:54.560 some more proof for some kind of daddy to go 1728 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:57.840 by and say what might have put it there? What 1729 01:32:57.840 --> 01:32:59.680 what might have made it? You know what I mean? 1730 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.159 But I don't know. I mean, is there people that 1731 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:06.279 are getting through excuse? Is there people that get creative 1732 01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:10.479 and just leave these things around? I mean I was. 1733 01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:13.319 At the location. 1734 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:17.840 I mean, if it's a big camp site, you got 1735 01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:20.479 people running around everywhere, like the old court and stuff 1736 01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:23.199 like that. To me, that rays is a question mark 1737 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:27.319 because everybody walks in stream beds. Campsites are pretty much 1738 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:30.800 close together. Even though supremitive camping and people in and 1739 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:34.079 out there all day and all night, right, I mean 1740 01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:36.640 believe that leads a question mark in my mind as 1741 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:38.479 far as lets you go come up with some other 1742 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:42.640 kind of evidence. Now, now where we where we go 1743 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:48.079 out at Slate Lick. That's open to the public, but 1744 01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:50.279 you don't have the people coming out there that. 1745 01:33:50.279 --> 01:33:53.119 You doing Elk Court right exactly. 1746 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.359 That's a mile to the lake and it's only open 1747 01:33:57.439 --> 01:33:59.960 for fishing anyway. You can't have boats and nothing. 1748 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:01.680 Out there exactly. 1749 01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:02.880 People don't make it. 1750 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:05.399 So it's a lot more quiet out there slate Lift 1751 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:07.760 and milkres So, I mean I looked at the location, 1752 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:10.920 so I mean, to me, that's part of my thinking. 1753 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:18.319 Possible concrete no, possible maybe, but I mean the clips 1754 01:34:18.359 --> 01:34:23.960 out are right there. Uh, who knows, who knows? I mean, 1755 01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:27.920 I'm not a question time anyway, concrete proof like there looking. 1756 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:35.399 Absolutely And that's another reason. Yeah, Well, I mean the 1757 01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:39.479 thing is with the hog Faint area. I I'm I'm 1758 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.199 right now, I'm currently feeling more drawn to that area. 1759 01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:44.600 And that's another reason why I talked to you David 1760 01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:46.600 about Hey, we got to go down by the gate 1761 01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.680 and do its overnight steakout or something there, you know, 1762 01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.840 even you know a few of us, it's spread like 1763 01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.920 team up and pairs of two or something. Its spread 1764 01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:59.159 out and stage radio communication and just stick it out 1765 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:01.560 and you know, to sit and be quiet and look 1766 01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:04.840 around observe with what devices we have available to our. 1767 01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:09.199 Well the way the way that areas laid out. Uh, 1768 01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:11.079 I mean that'd be great to do. I want to 1769 01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:11.439 do that. 1770 01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:15.520 Uh, but uh, we're gonna have to the people that's 1771 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.399 back at base camp with the radio. We're gonna have 1772 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:22.720 to stagger everyone to where we got communication. Because if 1773 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:23.399 I decide to. 1774 01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:25.119 Head up people road. 1775 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:27.800 To the lake while someone's down by the parking area, 1776 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:31.680 whoever to the base Camp's not gonna hear me where 1777 01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:34.800 I'll be at, But yet the ones at the parking 1778 01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:37.520 area can. So it'd be like a relay type thing 1779 01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:40.520 set up to where we do have communication, but it 1780 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.640 all may not be directed to one spot. So I mean, 1781 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:46.279 we we gotta take that look at that aspect of 1782 01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:49.720 it too. So if something would happen or whatnot, we've 1783 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.039 got a way to communicate back and forth. It'd be 1784 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:54.159 like a relay type thing as far as that, because 1785 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:56.920 we got that one branch line of radio signals can't 1786 01:35:56.920 --> 01:36:00.520 travel through roll right, And. 1787 01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:06.359 That makes sense if one of the things, if it 1788 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:08.760 works out in favor. It's one thing I've been looking 1789 01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:11.399 at for a long time because you know, especially with 1790 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:14.680 the radios that we have, not just not not with 1791 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.199 the ones I have, like you have the Midland radios. 1792 01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:21.119 It was one thing I considered getting, and it looks 1793 01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:22.840 like it would be a great tool to have with 1794 01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:26.239 us because you have the Midland radios. I also have 1795 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:29.479 a set of Midland radios. I just I actually have 1796 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:36.119 two sets of them, but one one the doer said, however, uh, 1797 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:42.239 there there is a I saw her on Amazon. It's 1798 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:45.000 a Midland base camp set, which would be great to 1799 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:48.159 have to keep whoever's gonna stay a base camp. They 1800 01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:49.760 should be able to communicate with us. 1801 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:53.279 You know, you know you still have that ridge that. 1802 01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:59.159 Even the base camp type radio setup is good for 1803 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:01.319 basically straight line distance. 1804 01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:04.800 If you if you don't have a repeater. 1805 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:09.000 Top of that red fine, even the base camp set up, 1806 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:11.079 and you won't be able to hear anyone that's down 1807 01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:11.640 beyond that. 1808 01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:13.159 Or the rig right. 1809 01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:15.760 Yeah, that makes sense. 1810 01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:18.920 Yeah, and there are no repeaters out there. I don't 1811 01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:21.479 care how you have radio service is not going to 1812 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.439 travel through rock. You gotta have a repeater above to 1813 01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.439 be able to transmit to and front right. 1814 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:28.520 You gotta have. 1815 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:39.159 That, Daniel, David, Melissa, I'm going to go. I had 1816 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:43.119 a medical procedure today and I was feeling really good 1817 01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:45.479 when I got home, and I told Daniel I hang 1818 01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:48.720 out tonight. But I'm getting tired now, so I'm gonna 1819 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:54.520 be on you guys, Okay, Daniel, Yeah, I got work 1820 01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:58.000 in the morning. Okay, Dan, Daniel, thank you for inviting me. 1821 01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:02.560 It's been a pleasure, Melissa David, but a pleasure meeting you. 1822 01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:07.239 I'm running out again, so I think it's time for 1823 01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:08.720 me to hit the Hey as well. 1824 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:13.279 Okay, go make some coffee. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. 1825 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:18.760 I'm just joking. I'm go, Hey, thank you for being 1826 01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:25.239 on here. Al Yeah, I mean, but what you were 1827 01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:28.720 saying makes a lot of sense. It does further it 1828 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:32.079 plus it would h you know. That's why I like 1829 01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:35.399 you know. I guess there's certain things we need to 1830 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:38.279 experience experiment with more too. You know, as far as 1831 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.880 all the little trinkets that we have, see it. 1832 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:44.840 You can't I found that picture of that chord that 1833 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:46.119 Dale Soccer had seen. 1834 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:49.079 Oh, go ahead, put it up here again. I'll put 1835 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:49.560 you guys up. 1836 01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:49.720 On the. 1837 01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:52.560 I don't think you can see it. 1838 01:38:56.520 --> 01:39:02.840 No, you get too much. Oh yeah, the laptop screen. 1839 01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:05.359 Yeah, and then he sent a picture. 1840 01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:07.840 It's a bird picture, but it was a picture of 1841 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:10.399 their stock of rocks. 1842 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:12.359 Yeah. 1843 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.239 But yeah, we do need to coordinate a little more 1844 01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:17.800 as far as things that we wanted to do when 1845 01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:21.079 we're out there right setting things out. 1846 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:25.039 So that was in June of twenty three when that happened. 1847 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:30.319 Okay, it's great to go out wing it ninety of 1848 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:30.760 the time. 1849 01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:34.000 But the more we keep going out there and stuff. 1850 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:36.760 And we're pre playing some things and they get the 1851 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:43.359 stuff prepared beforehand and right and. 1852 01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:44.159 Still there. 1853 01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:49.760 Oh yeah, I'm here, okay, oh yeah, one. 1854 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:52.560 My power of things just went to zero. But I 1855 01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:54.520 got a full battery on my laptop. I don't remember 1856 01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:56.680 my laptop off my little generator. 1857 01:39:56.239 --> 01:40:01.279 Here okay quick, yeah, oh no, you're fine, You're fine. 1858 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:01.359 Now. 1859 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:03.319 I'm connected on my phone. I got my power banking 1860 01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:09.560 connected to it right now. Yeah, I'm at eighty two 1861 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:11.479 percent on my phone right now. So if that's what 1862 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:16.439 I'm I'm on here with so yeah, I know. Like 1863 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:18.399 the other thing too, I need to keep in mind, 1864 01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:26.079 uh people's mobibility for example, like I know John and Mary. 1865 01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:28.760 I know Mary's got bad knees. I mean I got 1866 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:30.359 bad knees too, But as long as I got my 1867 01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:32.880 knee braces, I mean I do fine going out in 1868 01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:36.439 the woods. I mean yeah, I mean I could. I 1869 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:38.600 can climb up hills and I can still do all 1870 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:39.079 that stuff. 1871 01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:39.760 You know, was just. 1872 01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:43.800 You know, it's not like I'm doing it repetitively. I 1873 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:45.399 could do it. I can still do it. You know, 1874 01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:48.880 I had no problem venturing in deep. There's a couple 1875 01:40:48.920 --> 01:40:51.520 of areas out there. You know, if you guys recall 1876 01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:55.359 walk along beyond the gate as as we head up 1877 01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.000 to the lake, if you look up on the hill 1878 01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:00.920 over to the far left, the area up there that 1879 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:03.039 I can't get drawn to, Like I really want to 1880 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:06.680 get up here. Look because even though it's way off 1881 01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:10.560 the beaten path, there's a clear spot up like you 1882 01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:13.279 can see it up through the on the far left 1883 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:16.239 as you're headed towards the lake. But there's the area 1884 01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:18.239 up there I really want to get up because it 1885 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:20.520 looks like it's a it's a small clearing up there, 1886 01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:22.720 way up on the ridge. It's like a grassy area 1887 01:41:23.479 --> 01:41:27.560 and something. I don't know. I just feel like, Okay, 1888 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.960 that looks like an area that would be an interesting area. 1889 01:41:32.199 --> 01:41:34.359 I mean even if we were to set up a 1890 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:37.000 camp there or do something, you know, because I mean 1891 01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:39.399 I got small tents. I can camp anywhere, you know, 1892 01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:42.399 or even if it's an area that we could do 1893 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:44.680 with a stakeout. It like, hey, get up there while 1894 01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:48.079 it's still daytime and it get situated and look examine 1895 01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:50.039 the area and like, okay, hey, this would be a 1896 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:53.359 great high point to stay up here. You know, listen, 1897 01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:56.800 maybe have somebody else down below on the opposite side 1898 01:41:56.840 --> 01:42:02.279 of that roadway that you know, and maybe form like 1899 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:05.159 a triangle area, like hey, let's have three teams here. 1900 01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:08.119 You know, we have two to three teams, but coordinate 1901 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:12.119 with each other. We don't necessarily mean yeah. 1902 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:17.039 One now doesn't back there. I don't know where it 1903 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:22.560 cuts off. That's called the loop, Okay. The loop is 1904 01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:24.640 supposed to be a walking. 1905 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:31.159 Uh trail as well as a horse trail, and it goes, oh, 1906 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:35.319 it goes up to that area and then loops back around. 1907 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:37.439 I can't find where it cuts off, because I've never 1908 01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:41.520 really looked yet, but it's called the loop probably and 1909 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.079 looks something up on it. But I wonder if what 1910 01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:47.920 you were looking at maybe might be tied into what's 1911 01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:51.319 called the loop, because maybe those that walk that or 1912 01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:54.279 the horsemen that go back there, uh yeah, and that 1913 01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:56.640 end up going up there too, because I do know 1914 01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.880 a lot of horsemen to come that go across that. 1915 01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:01.960 The dam, and. 1916 01:43:01.840 --> 01:43:03.560 I head over to the other side of the lake 1917 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.720 right over in that side too. It's very back here 1918 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:09.720 on the left hand side. That's called the loop. 1919 01:43:10.720 --> 01:43:12.680 Yeah, you know it comes. 1920 01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:14.439 I don't know where it starts and ends at. 1921 01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:17.880 Yeah, you know where if you're headed towards the lake 1922 01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:20.039 by the parking lot, well before you get to the 1923 01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:23.159 gate and that little parking spot where you park at 1924 01:43:23.199 --> 01:43:25.680 where you have to hike through, well before we get 1925 01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:27.520 to that spot, you know where the roads off to 1926 01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:32.720 the left. I've been up yeah, Okay, Now I had 1927 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:37.119 been up that way by myself some years ago, and 1928 01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:39.399 I've only gone up but so far, I've gone up 1929 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:41.560 to the point where there's a creek that runs across 1930 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:44.920 the road and it's really rough, you know, and I 1931 01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:46.840 guess if you have a pickup truck or something that's 1932 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:49.359 you know, you're not afraid to get stuck and you 1933 01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:50.520 can rise through that. 1934 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:53.319 But well, yeah, even with truck, the further you go 1935 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:54.840 up in there, the rougheree. 1936 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:57.800 Gets right, which I've only been but so far, but 1937 01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:01.319 I can recall I've only been up there once. But 1938 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:03.439 you know, I didn't go so far, but I've been 1939 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:06.960 up enough to where I actually hiked that area I parked. 1940 01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:09.920 I forget where I parked at. I parked somewhere, or 1941 01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:11.920 I might eating cross over. You know, it depends on 1942 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.039 the vehicle I had at the time. But uh, because 1943 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:17.039 I know a lot of pickup trucks. 1944 01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:20.640 Go through there, you go, you get into more ravines 1945 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:22.600 up in there too, And if you don't know the 1946 01:44:22.680 --> 01:44:26.000 area is there, yeah, you can't turned around at and 1947 01:44:26.039 --> 01:44:27.760 you don't want to get in a situation where you're 1948 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:30.399 gonna have to try to back down that. 1949 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.239 Oh yeah, and. 1950 01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:35.319 It's near too. I mean, you get there's hardly some 1951 01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:37.800 area's two vehicles that going to get around each other. 1952 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:41.279 Right further up in there you go and. 1953 01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:48.359 Oh, I've been working with Amazon and you know, yeah, 1954 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:51.960 working with Amazon and driving those big vans. I trust me. 1955 01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:56.399 I'm I've I've been down some long driveways out in 1956 01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:58.880 the country, out in Louisa where I had no choice 1957 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:02.279 right back down. I mean, it's it is ridiculous, but 1958 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:05.119 I've had I had no other situation, I had no 1959 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:08.039 turnaround spots, you know, and you know, you get you 1960 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:12.319 get put in these situations and positions where like, crap, 1961 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:16.319 I've made it. Like these driveways. Some of these driveways 1962 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:18.880 I've had to go down before were like a half 1963 01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:24.039 mile or a mile long, and usually there is usually 1964 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:27.640 there is a turnaround spot. But I know I've had 1965 01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:31.680 troubles and struggles with these locations, and especially around the 1966 01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:33.800 holiday season. You get down to this house and we've 1967 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:37.000 got to deliver your package to and there's like they 1968 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:39.479 have extra vehicles there. It's like, oh crap, they got 1969 01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:42.039 you know, these can't be all there there. They got 1970 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:45.199 to have people visiting. So you park, you dropped the vehicle, 1971 01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:47.239 you drop the package off, and like you look around 1972 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:49.399 the area like, oh crap, you have no choice but 1973 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:52.000 to make a monthly point turn around and as big 1974 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:58.159 as being but so and then things happen from there 1975 01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:02.920 and blah blah, blah. But so yeah, sometimes, yeah, I know, 1976 01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:05.119 some of these long country roads and stuff. I mean, 1977 01:46:05.159 --> 01:46:08.079 they can be like you get in a position where 1978 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:10.720 like what the heck did I do? Why did I 1979 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:12.760 Why did I take a chance going down here? You know? 1980 01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:19.520 But but sometimes you have no choice. But like with 1981 01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:22.159 my car that I have right now, I'm gonna tell 1982 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:25.199 you know, it's a small little car, but it's it's 1983 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:28.560 impressed me since i've had it, you know, hands as 1984 01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:32.039 well in the snow. Even my driveway and part of 1985 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:34.880 the you know, the road that we live on is 1986 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:41.880 all ice packed, but it handles pretty well. Yeah, Because 1987 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:43.439 I mean I gotta take my I take my grandson 1988 01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:45.760 to school every morning, Like today was the first day 1989 01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:49.079 he didn't have like this morning, it was the first 1990 01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:51.359 day he didn't have a two hour delay. So, you know, 1991 01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.319 because the weather the temperate that they I guess they 1992 01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:57.239 base everything off of the temperatures and everything, because we've 1993 01:46:57.239 --> 01:47:00.720 been getting some very cool temperatures. I think it was 1994 01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:02.640 it was up in the twenties when I had to 1995 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:06.760 taken to school today. But you know, yeah, we do 1996 01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:09.880 have some warm weather temperatures coming up. It's gonna be uh, 1997 01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:11.960 it's gonna be a heat wave here going in the 1998 01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:14.159 next week. We're gonna get into low fifties. 1999 01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.680 Yeah, more likely. 2000 01:47:18.640 --> 01:47:20.920 Yeah, I mean, I think the low fifties are only 2001 01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:22.439 going to be like maybe a couple of days and 2002 01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:26.560 it'll be averaging the maybe around the forties. But you know, yeah, 2003 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.800 uh yeah, yeah. 2004 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:34.560 I have my follow up appointment next Thursday at. 2005 01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:38.399 The doctor's all, and they're space to, I. 2006 01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:42.760 Guess start scheduling and setting up for my radiation treatments 2007 01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:46.520 sometime in the first of February. 2008 01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:48.960 Okay, and how long you have do you have to 2009 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:49.520 go through that? 2010 01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:52.159 I got to do that for six weeks? 2011 01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:54.600 Six week, okay. 2012 01:47:55.039 --> 01:47:58.560 I don't know how how many days a week. They'd 2013 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:03.439 mentioned something about or two, but I've also heard a 2014 01:48:03.439 --> 01:48:06.319 few more days. So I don't know what they're going 2015 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:10.239 to do until we get there and they start telling 2016 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:11.960 us about it and how that's going to set up, 2017 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:14.560 because I don't They also said something about they were 2018 01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.279 going to give me a type of a keyfob to 2019 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:19.039 be able to get in and out to get my 2020 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.000 own treatments done, and I'm like, how are they going 2021 01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:22.920 to do that, because I don't know how to operate 2022 01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:23.600 that equipment. 2023 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:25.199 You're not people there. 2024 01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:28.920 Yeah, well, if the building is. 2025 01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:30.840 Going to be open, why would I need a fob. 2026 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:36.960 It's this whole little area people working there. You get 2027 01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:39.359 your pod, you go in, they don't do what they 2028 01:48:39.399 --> 01:48:41.399 need to do, then you leave. They don't have the 2029 01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:43.640 nurses sitting out at this desk and stuff like that 2030 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.039 because they don't have that activity going in and out 2031 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.720 that part that to do the rest of the hospital. Okay, 2032 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:52.560 all right, strictly for radiation. 2033 01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:55.880 Now are you going to be doing Are you going 2034 01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:58.039 to be doing all this through sin Terra right there 2035 01:48:58.039 --> 01:48:58.720 in Rockingham? 2036 01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:03.239 Yes, it'll be there center there at the hospital. 2037 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:08.920 Yeah, see sin Terra. That's good because if you guys 2038 01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:12.640 had to deal with Augusta County Augusta Health, yeah, that 2039 01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:14.920 would be a waste of time because they I can 2040 01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:17.159 tell you right even they will direct you to like 2041 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:22.279 u v A or something else. There's Augusta Health. Not 2042 01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:25.000 to get into the hospitals and stuff. But I mean, 2043 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:27.640 Augusta Health is limited. 2044 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:28.439 I don't know. 2045 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:30.760 Just this is my opinion based off of everybody I've 2046 01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:33.119 ever known that lives erectually and they had to deal 2047 01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:39.279 with major, major issues like Augusta Health is not equipped 2048 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:42.279 to handle certain things. You know, you. 2049 01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:47.680 Ain't equipped a lot of things either. That's why they 2050 01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:50.000 said a lot of people to UVA. 2051 01:49:50.199 --> 01:49:53.920 Because they don't even know one trauma center anymore. They 2052 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:59.560 haven't been that since sin Terra Bot. They got rid 2053 01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:02.039 of that, and I think the best of medical did also. 2054 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:04.880 They are no longer a level one promise. 2055 01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:12.600 Yeah, back when my yeah fill okay, back when uh 2056 01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:15.960 Brianna when she was I think she was like fifteen, fourteen, 2057 01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:19.960 fifteen years old maybe back when her she had her 2058 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:27.279 appendix erupted, and yeah, I mean she was brought to 2059 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:31.000 Augusta Health and they immediately when they realized what happened, 2060 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:34.560 they flew her a rushed her whatever. I don't know 2061 01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:36.359 if they flew her Okay, I was out of state 2062 01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:39.800 at the time, but they flew her rusher to u 2063 01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:42.399 v A. And of course she was at. 2064 01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:45.880 The center that's where the yeah, under their VA. 2065 01:50:46.840 --> 01:50:50.840 Yeah, of course. And once I heard she was at UVA, 2066 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.760 I felt like that was like to me, that was 2067 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:57.039 like comfort, you know, because u v A. And then 2068 01:50:57.239 --> 01:50:59.039 like where she was born at she was born at 2069 01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:02.680 mcv out Richmond in the city of Richmond, and uh 2070 01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:06.479 between u v A and m c V. Those hospitals 2071 01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:12.199 there they deal with It's like they're more advanced and 2072 01:51:12.239 --> 01:51:15.520 plus that you have like your medical college students that 2073 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:21.039 are there, and yeah they are. They've given the patients 2074 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:25.159 more attention and and you know, you're not ignored, you know, 2075 01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:29.119 and they care. I don't know, just mean they put 2076 01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:34.600 more care into the patients, you know. So but but yeah, 2077 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:37.039 my daughter she was born in Richmond. You know, uh 2078 01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:40.920 MCV hospital, you know, which is the Medical College of 2079 01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:48.319 University of Richmond. But yeah, uh oh man. 2080 01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:54.760 But yeah, yeah, I I at least since terror, the 2081 01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:58.359 rich the Harrisburg hospitals, I always thought they were pretty 2082 01:51:58.359 --> 01:51:59.359 good on the most part. 2083 01:51:59.399 --> 01:52:01.760 From what I mean, I've always heard good things about them, 2084 01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:10.359 so s tera. Yeah, I guess it depends on what 2085 01:52:10.399 --> 01:52:11.079 the problem is. 2086 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:19.199 Yeah, what I gathered. What I'm thinking is when you 2087 01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:23.520 get into your more specialized stuff, they got pretty good people. Yeah, 2088 01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:27.039 general type care, that's where you get a lot of. 2089 01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:31.079 Complaint from because you're gonna be waiting. 2090 01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:36.159 For wow, because a lot of people have a lot 2091 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:37.399 of problems there. 2092 01:52:37.560 --> 01:52:40.439 But I'm thinking it might be more of a general 2093 01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:44.239 care type, not any kind of specialty like what Melissa's 2094 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.840 going through, or more people's issues they may have. I 2095 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.399 think they probably got pretty good people in there taking 2096 01:52:49.399 --> 01:52:51.720 care of that stuff. But the general care people in 2097 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:54.279 and out all the time. I think that's where a 2098 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:55.439 lot of a lot of the problems are. 2099 01:52:56.920 --> 01:53:00.600 Yeah, because some years ago, you guys remember what the 2100 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:04.920 old r m H Hospital was right right there by, yeah, 2101 01:53:05.680 --> 01:53:09.800 more downtown. Yeah, I heard rumors that they were considering 2102 01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:11.840 I don't know, maybe they did in some ways, but 2103 01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:14.359 I heard that they were actually gonna use or start 2104 01:53:14.479 --> 01:53:20.359 using the university like medical. They were going to use 2105 01:53:20.399 --> 01:53:23.239 it to like a medical uh like kind of like 2106 01:53:23.359 --> 01:53:27.199 MCV or UVA. They were going to have college students involved, 2107 01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:29.600 which I was like, oh, okay, they're going to turn 2108 01:53:29.600 --> 01:53:32.079 into it like an MCV or a UVA kind of hospital. 2109 01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:35.560 You know, I don't know if they've ever done anything 2110 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:38.760 like that. Were Well, if that was the case, you know, 2111 01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:41.479 maybe some years down the road, that would have like 2112 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:44.359 improved their quality of their their facility. 2113 01:53:44.479 --> 01:53:50.039 But the old Armate emergency room that was turned into 2114 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:55.039 it's like a doctor's clinic for the jam U students. 2115 01:53:55.479 --> 01:53:59.680 Oh okay, okay, So maybe. 2116 01:53:59.079 --> 01:54:02.560 Some of the nursing classes and stuff, the pre med 2117 01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:05.279 and all that that's taught there. On the other part, 2118 01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:08.119 on the newer part of what used to be arm 2119 01:54:08.159 --> 01:54:11.960 age that was built. They had built the cancer center 2120 01:54:12.039 --> 01:54:16.119 there before they sold it to jmu R. 2121 01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:18.119 And that part they didn't tear down. 2122 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:20.800 They tore down the older part that they left the 2123 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:25.239 emergency room, but the part where the over next to 2124 01:54:25.279 --> 01:54:29.680 where the parking lot was the big parking deck that 2125 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:35.680 they tore down and stuff and rebuilt and they changed 2126 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:42.199 it so much. Yeah, it's now for students. It's like 2127 01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:45.760 doctors' offices for students and stuff. They go there when 2128 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:50.680 they have their hangovers and bloody noses in their fight 2129 01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:52.199 for the black eyes and stuff. 2130 01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:54.600 That's where they go to seek their medical care now 2131 01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:56.319 instead of going to arm. 2132 01:54:56.439 --> 01:55:01.000 H Wow, that's interesting. 2133 01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:05.279 From Cantrail. I think Cantrell Avenue, I believe. 2134 01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:09.439 Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, I know 2135 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:15.800 the general area there. Yeah. So uh a random thought. 2136 01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:19.279 It's more of a random question. And this is bigfoot related. 2137 01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:25.000 But what would you guys think. I mean, I've heard 2138 01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:27.880 so many different things on this, uh, but this has 2139 01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:31.319 been a topic in the past. I haven't heard of 2140 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:35.920 anything anyone discussing this in a while, But what would 2141 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:39.239 you think, Like, say, for example, I'll give you an 2142 01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:42.039 illustration and kind of throw it out there, what you 2143 01:55:42.079 --> 01:55:44.520 guys would think from there? Say, we're out in the 2144 01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:50.640 woods and we're exploring, and we're whatever we're doing, we're 2145 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:56.039 looking for bigfoot evidence. But what would you got excuse 2146 01:55:56.039 --> 01:56:02.159 you on bourbon? What would you guys? What would you guys? Yeah, 2147 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:05.840 damn blue Moon because I just took a tip of 2148 01:56:05.920 --> 01:56:12.600 it before I asked this question. But so, yeah, we're 2149 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:15.399 we're walking along, we're exploring out there in the woods, 2150 01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:20.760 and what would you guys think or do or how 2151 01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:23.640 would you react if we came across the remains that 2152 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:28.079 they bigfoot or a Sasquatch body, or the remains of one. 2153 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:31.680 I mean, what would what in your honest opinion, like 2154 01:56:32.359 --> 01:56:34.880 after going through the shock and surprised you like, WHOA 2155 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:39.359 realizing what we just came across? What would you How 2156 01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:41.600 would you guys go about that? Like, what would you do? 2157 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:44.600 First off, photograph it? 2158 01:56:44.840 --> 01:56:48.319 That be respectful because I guarantee you they're watching. 2159 01:56:49.520 --> 01:56:51.439 Yeah, but I would photograph and try. 2160 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:53.560 To document as much as I can, But no, as 2161 01:56:53.560 --> 01:57:00.279 far as removing anything Uh huh. 2162 01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:01.479 That's something that the biggest question is. 2163 01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:04.880 To go public or not. 2164 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:07.520 Yeah, that's probably what he's getting at. 2165 01:57:09.399 --> 01:57:13.439 That's because what's gonna have so many things If he 2166 01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:18.880 will loose if it took something I got public, you're 2167 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:20.439 gonna have the government get involved. 2168 01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:24.000 They can shut down the entire area for if god 2169 01:57:24.119 --> 01:57:29.560 knows how long. Then you have people come out of 2170 01:57:29.600 --> 01:57:33.279 the woodwork hit in the woods. Unless the government stops 2171 01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:35.039 all of that, there may not be no more camping 2172 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:36.560 at that location stuff forever. 2173 01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:43.439 Yeah, because that will definitely come to an end. They 2174 01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:45.640 will come in and confiscate everything. 2175 01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:49.479 That's that that that's a difficult military that that that's 2176 01:57:49.479 --> 01:57:51.119 a difficult question to answer. 2177 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:57.000 Then if if if keep it on the download. 2178 01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:01.600 And then make necessary call to where everything's kept secrets 2179 01:58:01.640 --> 01:58:03.039 and they come in and clean the area up and 2180 01:58:03.039 --> 01:58:05.159 stuff like that, if they haven't already done so in 2181 01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:09.199 the past, and everything goes on as normal and stuff, 2182 01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:11.319 you keep on with your research to keep on finding 2183 01:58:11.319 --> 01:58:15.680 what you can after that stuff. I don't think that 2184 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:19.159 if that would happen that the research will stop. 2185 01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:20.279 For a lot of people. 2186 01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:23.079 I mean, it's just another element getting out there in 2187 01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:27.000 the wood and collecting data and evidence and and and 2188 01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:31.239 a way of life for another creature that nobody really 2189 01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:34.640 knew existed or felt existed or no existence. 2190 01:58:35.359 --> 01:58:37.119 I don't know. That's a difficult question. 2191 01:58:37.399 --> 01:58:39.119 And you. 2192 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:40.760 Wouldn't even believe. 2193 01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:47.840 Oh yeah, they would absolutely exactly. You're always going to 2194 01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:51.680 have and all the negativity and this and that, because 2195 01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:54.880 there's some people that it's stuck in their mind that 2196 01:58:55.319 --> 01:59:00.560 you know, for non believers, that's b asid. It's a joke. 2197 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:04.159 It's a hoax, you guys called blah blah blah. But 2198 01:59:04.319 --> 01:59:04.920 uh yeah, I. 2199 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:07.439 Mean, I'm gonna tell you one thing I'm not going 2200 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:09.760 to do is take a fifteen by thirty foot hold 2201 01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:10.680 to bury the black Man. 2202 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:13.680 That ain't gonna no. 2203 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:18.439 When I was suggested, I just like coper authorities, keep 2204 01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:20.640 the location secret. Just get them out there and let 2205 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:23.000 them do their thing and whatnot. Now you've done much 2206 01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:25.439 to done. I'm not in to it become rich and 2207 01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:29.600 famous and all that other stuff and whatnot. Right, Uh, 2208 01:59:30.199 --> 01:59:32.600 it's just another chapter closed, But it also opens up 2209 01:59:32.640 --> 01:59:36.520 many more chapters after that because possibilities of other things 2210 01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:39.680 existing now that that's been proven, and then again there's 2211 01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:42.239 still a lot more to know. Even if you did 2212 01:59:42.359 --> 01:59:44.199 find the body of one, it's still a lot more 2213 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:48.000 to know about them, right, But I just. 2214 01:59:47.960 --> 01:59:48.680 Got a fund in fee. 2215 01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:51.399 The government gets involved in something like that, and the 2216 01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:53.920 whole area might be all limits of people going in 2217 01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:56.880 for god knows how long, if not forever, and that 2218 01:59:56.920 --> 01:59:59.760 could change the makeup of a lot of different things 2219 02:00:00.039 --> 02:00:01.000 on the country. 2220 02:00:00.680 --> 02:00:01.279 And stuff like. 2221 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.520 That's where they're supposed to have signings, and you get 2222 02:00:04.520 --> 02:00:06.239 the big wings involved in. 2223 02:00:07.359 --> 02:00:08.520 I don't know, I don't know. 2224 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:13.359 I think I won't know how to react until that 2225 02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:14.680 situation would arise. 2226 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:16.159 That's true. 2227 02:00:16.359 --> 02:00:20.239 Yeah, absolutely, The other instances could be completely different. 2228 02:00:20.399 --> 02:00:22.760 I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think 2229 02:00:22.760 --> 02:00:23.640 it's going to find. 2230 02:00:26.039 --> 02:00:29.720 It may never happen. Yeah, it may never happen. But 2231 02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:34.159 thinking of the top of my head, I mean me personally, 2232 02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:36.720 I mean, if the way I look at this, I mean, 2233 02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:39.560 because I've heard somebody people share their endpoint on this, 2234 02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:44.119 but I think I personally would record the whole like, Hey, 2235 02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:46.279 here's a body of what the heck we came across. 2236 02:00:46.279 --> 02:00:48.039 This is a body of what we believe to be 2237 02:00:48.079 --> 02:00:51.800 a sasquatch. And meanwhile, I'm filming it, and I'm documenting it. Meanwhile, 2238 02:00:52.039 --> 02:00:55.239 I'm going to try my best to collect what data 2239 02:00:55.279 --> 02:01:01.079 I can from that, regardless record myself collecting. Hey, I'm 2240 02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:04.560 cutting off his hairs or look, here's his hand. I'm 2241 02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:11.600 gonna cut off a finger, you know, I don't know. 2242 02:01:11.640 --> 02:01:15.520 I'm just saying, here's some remaining like it's I don't know. 2243 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:18.079 We got a skeleton, you know, we got hair, We 2244 02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:22.279 got this layer of his body here, I'm gonna I mean, 2245 02:01:22.319 --> 02:01:24.720 if there's hair available, I'm gonna collect as much hair 2246 02:01:24.760 --> 02:01:25.560 as possible. 2247 02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:29.159 You know, we're the kind of like the Holy Grail. 2248 02:01:30.359 --> 02:01:33.359 Right, we come across the Holy Grail. What are you 2249 02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:33.920 gonna do? 2250 02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:39.640 Right? 2251 02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:42.000 I mean, because if they've been around, if they're all around, 2252 02:01:42.000 --> 02:01:45.199 they've been around, as have been, they probably take care 2253 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:45.680 of the role. 2254 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:49.479 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree, because I mean, with 2255 02:01:49.560 --> 02:01:53.359 that being said, I agree. I My honest thoughts is 2256 02:01:53.479 --> 02:01:56.560 I believe they dispose and bury their own dead. 2257 02:01:58.479 --> 02:02:02.640 I mean, elephants, when they know they're going to die, 2258 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:06.399 they go to elevant graveyards themselves. You very rarely find 2259 02:02:06.439 --> 02:02:11.000 one out in the middle of the tunther somewhere. Right, 2260 02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:14.319 there's a lot of animals that do that. And we're 2261 02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:16.640 not talking about Postr's animal. Let's I'm talking about the 2262 02:02:16.720 --> 02:02:21.680 natural behavior of wild animals in general. Elfants are known 2263 02:02:21.720 --> 02:02:25.399 to do that. There's grounds where elephants now if they're 2264 02:02:25.439 --> 02:02:28.119 becoming to their end of their life, that they will 2265 02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:31.079 start to migrate too for that for that end time. 2266 02:02:32.039 --> 02:02:34.119 Well, you know, I'm glad you said that, David, because 2267 02:02:34.119 --> 02:02:37.239 you know what, I can tell you Two common animals 2268 02:02:37.239 --> 02:02:40.239 that we know for a fact that do you exist 2269 02:02:40.560 --> 02:02:45.920 and they are known to do this to themselves as well. Bears, Yeah, 2270 02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:51.239 bears and mountain lions. Because a lot of people don't 2271 02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:53.680 realize this, Like you ever asked a question like I 2272 02:02:54.039 --> 02:02:56.560 get this question a lot from skeptics, So, well, if 2273 02:02:56.720 --> 02:02:59.640 Bigfoot exists, why don't we find remains? I said, well, 2274 02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:03.279 you know bears exist, right, you know, mountain lions exist. 2275 02:03:04.359 --> 02:03:06.640 But show me the evidence of one that's died of 2276 02:03:06.760 --> 02:03:10.800 natural causes, show me the remains, you know. And that's 2277 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:14.359 what I've phoned that back up people, and it's it's 2278 02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:16.680 it put It kind of gives a stumbling block. They're 2279 02:03:16.680 --> 02:03:19.880 like they're like, what they're thinking about what you're asking 2280 02:03:19.880 --> 02:03:23.159 on the phone back And then it's like, oh shit, Yeah, 2281 02:03:23.439 --> 02:03:28.760 you know, there's very few reports of bear remains found 2282 02:03:28.840 --> 02:03:31.000 in caves and their remains, I mean, these are like 2283 02:03:31.079 --> 02:03:34.239 ancient k's that they might find old bear, you know, 2284 02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:39.239 from hundreds of years ago. But it's very, very extremely 2285 02:03:39.399 --> 02:03:42.199 uncommon to find the remains of a bear or a 2286 02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:46.000 mountain lion just died of national causes. You know. Yeah, 2287 02:03:46.039 --> 02:03:47.640 I've seen dead bears on the side of the road 2288 02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:49.520 that got hit by cars, you know, right up the 2289 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:51.560 road from where we lived here. I've seen bears on 2290 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:53.560 the side of the road hit by cars. You know, 2291 02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:55.840 we're right on the base of the mountain. Bears come 2292 02:03:55.880 --> 02:03:57.920 through here all the time. We've got bears that passed 2293 02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:02.199 through my backyard, you know, you know, and you know, 2294 02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:05.640 and I've seen bears out in the National forest during hiking, 2295 02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:09.000 you know, I mean broke day and night. They're out there. 2296 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:11.479 I've seen them. I've been close to some of them, 2297 02:04:12.199 --> 02:04:13.960 and most of the ones I've seen were always in 2298 02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:17.800 the distance, but because they've already seen or smelled the 2299 02:04:18.119 --> 02:04:22.199 you know, before you spotted them. But so, I mean, 2300 02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:25.600 with that man said, I just feel like people got 2301 02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:30.039 to understand that there's animals out there that, like you said, 2302 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:33.159 when their time of death is upon them, they know 2303 02:04:33.199 --> 02:04:35.279 they're ill, they go into hiding. They'll go into a 2304 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:40.439 deep or finding a place to spend their remains the 2305 02:04:40.600 --> 02:04:43.399 remaining time before they die off, and then again once 2306 02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:45.039 they do die off, and then you got all these 2307 02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:47.960 other animals and critters and animals that will scatter their 2308 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:49.279 bones and remain, you. 2309 02:04:49.239 --> 02:04:51.159 Know, and pretty much say that about any of all 2310 02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:54.760 how many times you come across from the boxes down National. 2311 02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:58.239 Right, I can't recall every I found. I found raccoon 2312 02:04:59.039 --> 02:05:01.199 skulls and stuff bef for, but that's about it. 2313 02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:05.520 You know that from a predator killing the raccoon too. 2314 02:05:06.199 --> 02:05:11.000 Right, Yeah, I found that I found deer, deer, jaw bones, raccoons, 2315 02:05:11.039 --> 02:05:14.479 skulls all in creek beds. You know that that could Yeah, 2316 02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:16.359 all that could be from like coyotes and. 2317 02:05:16.359 --> 02:05:17.479 Stuff, you know, so. 2318 02:05:18.920 --> 02:05:21.199 Exactly. I mean that stuff's going to be a given. 2319 02:05:21.279 --> 02:05:23.000 But yeah, I mean that that's a good question. You know, 2320 02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:24.039 what would you you would? 2321 02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:28.199 You got to think too, if you come across a 2322 02:05:28.279 --> 02:05:32.720 complete body, decomposed. 2323 02:05:32.359 --> 02:05:37.000 Stal remains, it's going to look a lot like us 2324 02:05:37.039 --> 02:05:42.000 in a way. It's gonna look like in a way. 2325 02:05:44.359 --> 02:05:49.079 Uh, how would you feel if you've seen that? 2326 02:05:50.600 --> 02:05:53.359 Yeah, because we don't know. 2327 02:05:53.800 --> 02:05:57.399 Exactly know, right, I hear what you're saying, But this 2328 02:05:57.479 --> 02:06:01.159 sounds this might sound crazy, But I, in my honest opinion, 2329 02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:04.000 if I found if it was mainly just the bones 2330 02:06:04.239 --> 02:06:09.880 and the complete skeletal layout, I'm thinking, I'm just thinking 2331 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:16.239 on myself, like, yeah, I'm gonna collect that skull. I 2332 02:06:16.319 --> 02:06:20.000 was like, I'm like a bone tradition, and I mean 2333 02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:22.960 I'm like a bone collector because I've come across deer sheds, 2334 02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:25.960 deer sheds, I got a I got a skull of 2335 02:06:26.039 --> 02:06:28.439 a bear that came across at the woods, you know, 2336 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:31.960 and you know, I was like, all, that's right here 2337 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:36.479 in the house, right here I got was like that 2338 02:06:36.720 --> 02:06:38.520 I have deer or anything. 2339 02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:41.000 I mean, I liked it pretty much. 2340 02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:45.199 Yeah, great, I mean I found other Yeah, I got 2341 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:47.680 the bear skull in it's here in the living room. 2342 02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:50.119 But then I've come across all the bear bear fields 2343 02:06:50.119 --> 02:06:52.800 out in the woods. When that kind of you know, 2344 02:06:53.279 --> 02:06:55.239 I mean, not that I found the remains of the bear. 2345 02:06:55.359 --> 02:06:59.199 I found the tough you know, clusters of hair and 2346 02:06:59.199 --> 02:07:03.079 and blood you know, from a bear whatever killed it, 2347 02:07:03.399 --> 02:07:06.359 but that was up around Elk one that could have 2348 02:07:06.359 --> 02:07:08.319 been from a group of coyotes, because I will tell 2349 02:07:08.359 --> 02:07:11.600 you I know coyotes will team up on a small bear. 2350 02:07:12.359 --> 02:07:15.199 I had found bear. I found coyotes scat with bear 2351 02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:18.119 hairs all through it, and I was like, I found 2352 02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:20.800 that on like three different occasions, and every time I 2353 02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:23.439 found it still blowing my mind. I said, Wow, it's 2354 02:07:23.520 --> 02:07:26.439 either a young bear or a bear that was ill 2355 02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:31.199 or I don't know, but these coyotes are. 2356 02:07:31.239 --> 02:07:34.359 Visious the time of the year for something. 2357 02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:37.199 Season two is one hundred co won one that couldn't 2358 02:07:37.199 --> 02:07:39.000 have found that e was too and then the coyote 2359 02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:42.079 just got a whole other right, you know, I mean 2360 02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:43.920 there's a lot of variables. 2361 02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:46.760 Could be kind of interesting though, you know, if we 2362 02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:50.119 would happen to come across something like that, because I 2363 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:52.560 would at this point consider bigfoot to be like an 2364 02:07:52.600 --> 02:07:58.239 apex predator. And if it is d csed lying in 2365 02:07:58.279 --> 02:08:01.239 the woods with the rest of the wildlife even touch 2366 02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:02.800 it or would they steer clear of it. 2367 02:08:04.399 --> 02:08:07.560 Well, that's a good question concerning even if. 2368 02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:14.079 Yeah, it's gonna be one quick investigations, I'm gonna get 2369 02:08:14.119 --> 02:08:16.039 the hell out of dodge because. 2370 02:08:21.239 --> 02:08:23.760 The finger there might be one to come down there 2371 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:26.520 and take you with me. I was there probably watching, 2372 02:08:28.479 --> 02:08:28.720 or I. 2373 02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:31.680 Would have been like, I'll be like, uh, David, like 2374 02:08:32.439 --> 02:08:35.119 say we found it together. I was like, I'm looking 2375 02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:38.000 at you, David. I'm like, do you have any connections 2376 02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:40.560 with the law enforcement that would deal with the investigations 2377 02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:48.199 like this? You need to get them out here. 2378 02:08:46.680 --> 02:08:48.960 Laughing call them on the damn pone anyway. 2379 02:08:49.039 --> 02:08:55.319 Yeah, you know, my aunt and I and she shine. 2380 02:08:55.399 --> 02:08:58.520 They shine lights into the woods at night around the 2381 02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:01.359 perimeter of their yard. They will not go in their 2382 02:09:01.479 --> 02:09:07.520 yard at night anywhere Nearyork would what They've done that 2383 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:14.079 for years? They've done that for years. 2384 02:09:14.880 --> 02:09:18.199 Is there something that they fear? I think so. 2385 02:09:19.239 --> 02:09:19.760 I think so. 2386 02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:22.439 They just never came out and told you why they 2387 02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:22.840 do that. 2388 02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:29.439 No, but I don't know. I don't know if she would. 2389 02:09:31.359 --> 02:09:36.479 Yeah, I mean the worst, the worst case scenario. Yeah, 2390 02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:40.720 I mean, it's just like asking a question, like it 2391 02:09:40.720 --> 02:09:42.840 doesn't sound crazy. It's like asking a girl out for 2392 02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:45.479 a date or like the worst case scenario, she's going 2393 02:09:45.560 --> 02:09:51.880 to say no, yeah, and I'm not and don't be 2394 02:09:51.920 --> 02:09:54.279 afraid of rejection. That's one thing I learned growing up. 2395 02:09:56.920 --> 02:09:58.119 Yeah, I'm curious. 2396 02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:01.399 I would kind of like to ask my nephew sometime 2397 02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:05.119 because you know, he goes bear hunting all over Rocky County, 2398 02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:09.079 Hardy County, all kinds of places he goes bear hunting. 2399 02:10:09.960 --> 02:10:14.439 Yeah, I don't see him enough to ask him. I 2400 02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:15.520 see him maybe once. 2401 02:10:15.359 --> 02:10:18.600 A year, but that would be interesting see if they've 2402 02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:20.479 come across anything they can't explain. 2403 02:10:21.720 --> 02:10:24.479 I mean, the only bear hunter that I've ever really 2404 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:29.039 spoken to that I know I met personally David you 2405 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:34.279 know him Cole Cole McCoy, McCoy, Yeah, I mean the 2406 02:10:34.279 --> 02:10:37.880 most you know, I've had conversations with him back the course, 2407 02:10:38.920 --> 02:10:41.439 and of course the only thing he's ever shared with 2408 02:10:41.520 --> 02:10:44.000 me is like, you know, up around Elkorn Lake. He 2409 02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:46.960 won't tell me where, but he's like he's got game 2410 02:10:47.039 --> 02:10:50.119 cameras out there, like Sally your or game cameras or 2411 02:10:50.199 --> 02:10:52.800 you know, he shared he's supposed to shared pictures to 2412 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:54.840 be He's like, yeah, I got this coyote here, I 2413 02:10:54.920 --> 02:10:57.840 got this deer here, you know, but he's never shared 2414 02:10:57.880 --> 02:11:01.399 anything out of the ordinary, although you know, he knows 2415 02:11:01.439 --> 02:11:03.680 that there's some big bears here in Virginia because his 2416 02:11:03.800 --> 02:11:07.279 mother lives up over there down past Chorando. Now he 2417 02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:10.239 has showed shared a picture with me of this massive bear. 2418 02:11:10.319 --> 02:11:12.720 He got a camera up there. I know there's big 2419 02:11:12.760 --> 02:11:15.880 bears here in Virginia. I've seen him myself, you know. 2420 02:11:16.319 --> 02:11:19.479 And I've seen especially, you know, the little Mountain store 2421 02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:24.199 right outside of Elkham Lake. I've been up there during 2422 02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:26.600 you know, while I was camping, and I would spend 2423 02:11:26.600 --> 02:11:29.000 time up there getting lunch or doing whatever, hanging up 2424 02:11:29.039 --> 02:11:32.039 there at the store. And during the bear seasons, I 2425 02:11:32.039 --> 02:11:33.880 would see the bear hunters come up there and check 2426 02:11:33.960 --> 02:11:37.680 your bears in. And I've seen four hundred plus pound 2427 02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:41.960 black bears being checked in. And I mean I've seen 2428 02:11:42.000 --> 02:11:44.279 bigger bears across the road on me before I came 2429 02:11:44.359 --> 02:11:47.479 out of that area, you know. So I know there's 2430 02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:52.119 some monster black bears in Virginia. Years no denying that. 2431 02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:58.000 His friends on Facebook with my nephew Todd. 2432 02:11:59.640 --> 02:12:01.920 Yeah, I used to pick. I used to pick. I 2433 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:06.199 used to pick. Yeah, I used to give I used 2434 02:12:06.199 --> 02:12:08.720 to give cold, uh like a hard time. I used 2435 02:12:08.720 --> 02:12:10.720 to pick on him. I was like, I said, you've 2436 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:12.680 got you know, you've got a good group of hounds 2437 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:16.159 that get the treat these bears. That's the why. Why 2438 02:12:16.199 --> 02:12:17.880 do I see every time you used to shoot a bear, 2439 02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:20.000 it's a baby. It's a small little bear. I said, 2440 02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:22.199 we got bigger bears from this out here. I said, 2441 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:24.800 why don't you let them grow and get the bigger one? 2442 02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:25.479 You know. 2443 02:12:25.479 --> 02:12:27.239 I used to pick on him. I said, we got 2444 02:12:27.279 --> 02:12:29.199 a bunch bigger bears. Let them have some time to 2445 02:12:29.239 --> 02:12:34.640 grow up. So I was like, he knows as well 2446 02:12:34.640 --> 02:12:37.119 as I do. We got some big bears here, you guys, 2447 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:41.119 you can be doing better than that. I used to 2448 02:12:41.119 --> 02:12:42.199 pick on a lot about that. 2449 02:12:44.239 --> 02:12:47.680 As my nephew is friends also with that guy that 2450 02:12:47.760 --> 02:12:51.800 I was telling you about him and his wife seeing 2451 02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:56.680 the bigfoot there on the Hogpin Road area. M. Yeah, 2452 02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:02.359 he's friends with him too, Yeah, friends with this guy. 2453 02:13:03.479 --> 02:13:06.960 Yeah, David, you remember you showed me a picture somebody 2454 02:13:07.000 --> 02:13:09.279 you know, or somebody you work with, or somebody I 2455 02:13:09.319 --> 02:13:12.199 don't know. There's somebody you know that shared a picture 2456 02:13:12.239 --> 02:13:14.720 of a track and you sent it to me one time. 2457 02:13:15.560 --> 02:13:17.800 And yeah there was Yeah, there was some lease on 2458 02:13:17.840 --> 02:13:20.960 the ground there. I mean, I'm almost certain that that 2459 02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:24.159 was a bear track, even though it was partially it 2460 02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:27.640 was partially covered up but looking back and from what 2461 02:13:27.680 --> 02:13:29.760 I recall on the track that had been just a 2462 02:13:29.760 --> 02:13:31.079 fairly dens like bear track. 2463 02:13:31.680 --> 02:13:35.359 I think you told her that from Yeah, I agree, 2464 02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:38.119 it's probably just a bear. 2465 02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:43.760 Yeah. Now, I'm not denying that there's there's mountain lions 2466 02:13:43.800 --> 02:13:46.600 in the area. From what I've heard from several sources 2467 02:13:46.640 --> 02:13:49.399 that the hog Pin area and the Fox Running area 2468 02:13:49.600 --> 02:13:52.520 is it has been known for a lot of mountain 2469 02:13:52.560 --> 02:13:57.319 lion sightings. I have heard of this before by several sources, 2470 02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:03.600 including to the same visual who who introduced me to 2471 02:14:03.640 --> 02:14:08.159 that area. Now, he's he's a big skeptic and believed 2472 02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:09.960 there's something out there because he shared a couple of 2473 02:14:10.600 --> 02:14:13.600 stories from when he was younger, back when he's a 2474 02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:16.039 walk a lot of the back roads in the woods 2475 02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:19.560 out there. But he's had things, he's seen things out 2476 02:14:19.600 --> 02:14:23.239 there that he can't explain, you know. But he's also 2477 02:14:23.880 --> 02:14:26.359 back when I worked with him, now, he told me 2478 02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:30.960 that some farmers up the road from I don't know 2479 02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:32.640 if he still lives in the same farmhouse or not, 2480 02:14:32.840 --> 02:14:37.039 but from where he lived at in Singers Glenn, Uh, 2481 02:14:37.079 --> 02:14:40.880 there were some Emmonite farmers that lived not far up 2482 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:43.680 the road from him. Uh, he apparently he was good 2483 02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:47.359 friends with the farmers, and the farmers that called him 2484 02:14:47.560 --> 02:14:52.760 to the house after explaining what was going on, because 2485 02:14:53.520 --> 02:14:58.479 apparently the farmer had gone out to uh he sparted 2486 02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:02.479 he he notices battle out in the backfield were in 2487 02:15:02.560 --> 02:15:05.319 a hurle in the middle of the night. There was 2488 02:15:05.399 --> 02:15:09.159 they were like haul hurdled together, and he felt like 2489 02:15:09.199 --> 02:15:11.359 there was something going on there. So he came back out. 2490 02:15:11.399 --> 02:15:13.640 I think he was came out in his pickup truck 2491 02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:15.920 or on one of his fool wheelers or whatever it 2492 02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:17.640 was he was in. I can't remember what it was. 2493 02:15:18.479 --> 02:15:21.159 But he was started shining a light around and he's 2494 02:15:21.159 --> 02:15:23.479 seeing he set of eye shine over in the corner 2495 02:15:23.520 --> 02:15:27.159 of the field, just inside the field, and he's like 2496 02:15:27.840 --> 02:15:30.000 he apparently he got a good look at what he 2497 02:15:30.039 --> 02:15:32.920 was seeing. He couldn't believe what he was seeing. Apparently 2498 02:15:32.960 --> 02:15:35.720 it was a it was a mountain lion in the 2499 02:15:35.720 --> 02:15:40.119 corner of the field, just staring there. And uh. That's 2500 02:15:40.159 --> 02:15:42.800 when the next day he called my buddy Richard, he's 2501 02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:45.399 a rister, you could come out here. He said, I 2502 02:15:45.439 --> 02:15:49.039 have a mountain lion that was in the field, and 2503 02:15:49.079 --> 02:15:53.880 my my cattle were you know. He explained what he saw, 2504 02:15:54.039 --> 02:15:58.560 how he knew his cattle were acting weird, and he 2505 02:15:58.640 --> 02:16:01.039 knew there was something going on until he saw what 2506 02:16:01.119 --> 02:16:04.840 he saw in the corner field. Well, apparently he was 2507 02:16:04.880 --> 02:16:06.920 telling me about this. After he went and investigated. He 2508 02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:09.399 searched the property. He went back to the field and 2509 02:16:09.439 --> 02:16:14.000 he found tracks. He opened up his You know, you 2510 02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:16.199 take your hand, you call me hand. You spread your 2511 02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:19.680 fingers apart and open up your hand, he says Daniel. 2512 02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:24.039 He said, the tracks, And I wish he had pictures. 2513 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:27.119 I really wish he had pictures of this, because Richard 2514 02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:29.239 his hands were as big as mine, if not bigger. 2515 02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:33.280 And Richard showed me opened up his hands that the 2516 02:16:33.319 --> 02:16:35.959 tracks I found back in that field were as big 2517 02:16:36.000 --> 02:16:38.479 as my hand opened up. I said, are you serious? 2518 02:16:39.440 --> 02:16:43.000 He said, I'm not hesitating, I'm not exaggerating. I'm serious. 2519 02:16:44.040 --> 02:16:46.600 He said he had a mountain lion on his property, 2520 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:49.120 because I mean, that's what the claim was from the 2521 02:16:49.120 --> 02:16:52.760 farmer himself. But yeah, Richard confirmed it when he found 2522 02:16:52.760 --> 02:16:58.520 the tracks. I said, wow. Now keep mind, that's just 2523 02:16:58.639 --> 02:17:00.879 on the what I would say, the east side of 2524 02:17:00.920 --> 02:17:02.799 the mountain from where it falls front is, you know, 2525 02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:08.239 and I've heard stories along the area before he said, 2526 02:17:08.399 --> 02:17:10.799 you know, I've heard other people talking about there's mountain 2527 02:17:10.799 --> 02:17:13.600 lion signings left and right out there, but you don't 2528 02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:16.120 you know some of the reports I've heard from based 2529 02:17:16.159 --> 02:17:18.920 off of my blog that was it was it my 2530 02:17:19.000 --> 02:17:20.959 blog because I put out of blogs from years ago 2531 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:24.600 about mountain lions looking for sightings. Most of the reports 2532 02:17:24.639 --> 02:17:28.920 I got were, uh, like on the east side of 2533 02:17:29.719 --> 02:17:32.920 Scott you know, the Blues Mountains from me, but I 2534 02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:36.079 found a blog site that was a public reporting. Most 2535 02:17:36.120 --> 02:17:38.719 of it came out There was a lot from Augustin County, 2536 02:17:38.760 --> 02:17:42.520 but majority of them came out of Rockingham County, you know. 2537 02:17:42.719 --> 02:17:44.600 And I have to look at it. I have to 2538 02:17:44.600 --> 02:17:46.840 see if I can look that up again. But a 2539 02:17:46.879 --> 02:17:49.639 lot of reports of mountain lion sidings came from a 2540 02:17:49.719 --> 02:17:53.840 Rockingham county, which I was like, wow, you know, and 2541 02:17:54.360 --> 02:17:56.120 most of these people, these are people that grew up 2542 02:17:56.159 --> 02:17:58.639 out here, you know, especially these mountain people that grew 2543 02:17:58.719 --> 02:18:01.559 up around the mountains and know the wildlife. 2544 02:18:02.239 --> 02:18:02.520 I mean. 2545 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:10.680 And what gets me is again, even camping around Elkhorn Lake, 2546 02:18:11.760 --> 02:18:14.920 I've had many discussions with game warders and these officers 2547 02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:18.639 to come out and check on your campsite. Well, the 2548 02:18:18.680 --> 02:18:21.040 one time back when Julie was with me, I think 2549 02:18:21.360 --> 02:18:22.840 it was at the end of our camp and well, 2550 02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:25.920 you guys are can't with us. Everybody has gone. Me 2551 02:18:25.920 --> 02:18:28.159 and Julie had like two or three more nights there, 2552 02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:31.319 And of course I was We're sitting there, We're sitting 2553 02:18:31.360 --> 02:18:34.959 outside of the tent, and here comes the officer pulled 2554 02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:39.000 into the campsite, young guy. And I was like, okay, 2555 02:18:39.239 --> 02:18:41.799 you know there, I told you, he's just checking on us. 2556 02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:44.559 He's fine. And then he comes out walking. He's a 2557 02:18:44.600 --> 02:18:47.079 real nice guy, and we getting talking about this and that, 2558 02:18:48.680 --> 02:18:51.680 and so I'm like, okay, I'm thinking, beout. I gotta 2559 02:18:51.719 --> 02:18:53.360 ask him. I got to ask him. I asked every 2560 02:18:53.360 --> 02:18:54.879 other one I got to ask that. I never met 2561 02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:58.040 this guy before. I met several other officers out there, 2562 02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:00.360 never met this guy. Most of these guys I talked 2563 02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:03.479 to our older gentlemen. They've been in this been in 2564 02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:06.639 with the department for a long time, and I've heard 2565 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:09.639 their stories and heard how they how they will, how 2566 02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:12.719 they will reply to you. So I was curious. I 2567 02:19:12.760 --> 02:19:15.000 was like, you know, we got him talking, even brought 2568 02:19:15.040 --> 02:19:17.879 about Bigfoot. You know, we started off talking about bigfoot, 2569 02:19:18.079 --> 02:19:21.399 you know, wildlife, this and that, and I was like, hey, uh, 2570 02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:25.879 I got to ask you, what do you know about 2571 02:19:25.879 --> 02:19:29.920 mountain lions out here? And then immediately he did not 2572 02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:36.079 hesitate his story. His reply was on script. It was 2573 02:19:36.159 --> 02:19:39.520 right on script. I was like, I'm listening to him. 2574 02:19:39.719 --> 02:19:42.239 I'm like, I'm not saying nothing, I'm just listening to him. 2575 02:19:42.239 --> 02:19:45.280 I'm just taking it all in. And as he's talking 2576 02:19:45.399 --> 02:19:49.360 and explaining things where he is Yep, they all have 2577 02:19:49.479 --> 02:19:53.000 the same reply, same exact reply. It's like, this is 2578 02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:56.079 what they've been trained it. You know, they will tell 2579 02:19:56.079 --> 02:19:58.840 you that they're doing do not exist here and this 2580 02:19:58.879 --> 02:20:01.159 and that, and they'll get into all this explainer how 2581 02:20:01.239 --> 02:20:06.639 things are misinterpreted, mis explainings identified, and blah blah blah, 2582 02:20:06.840 --> 02:20:09.760 and that's okay, okay cool. And I you know, I 2583 02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:12.200 didn't argue with him. I was just, you know, I 2584 02:20:12.319 --> 02:20:17.239 just wanted to hear his response. But you swear, you know, 2585 02:20:17.559 --> 02:20:20.520 based off everything I've heard from every game boarding or 2586 02:20:20.559 --> 02:20:23.559 officer that came out there, they're trained to give you 2587 02:20:23.600 --> 02:20:29.719 an explainer in the explanation, and so I was like, okay, 2588 02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:31.360 I just let it go. In one year and out 2589 02:20:31.360 --> 02:20:33.719 of the other. So I've heard this before. You ain't 2590 02:20:33.799 --> 02:20:36.719 nothing different. You know, you're young. This is the again. 2591 02:20:36.799 --> 02:20:39.079 This was a much younger guy than I've ever dealt 2592 02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:42.319 with before. All right, you know I respected him. I 2593 02:20:42.360 --> 02:20:44.959 was like, that's you know, I'm thinking to myself, this 2594 02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:46.840 is what you're trained to tell with people because you 2595 02:20:46.840 --> 02:20:52.319 don't know any better, regardless if they do know any better. 2596 02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:53.639 This is what they're trained to tell. 2597 02:20:53.520 --> 02:20:54.079 You, you know. 2598 02:20:54.920 --> 02:21:00.360 So you know so I mean, I mean I believe. Like, 2599 02:21:00.360 --> 02:21:02.360 like I said, I've had I put out a blog 2600 02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:05.959 from I have a blog site. It's h ecbro dot 2601 02:21:06.040 --> 02:21:09.680 WordPress dot com, and I haven't posted it in a while, 2602 02:21:10.440 --> 02:21:14.040 but I do have a blogsite about mountain lions in Virginia, 2603 02:21:14.159 --> 02:21:17.840 and I had a fairly decent amount of responses from it. 2604 02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:21.040 You know, I've had one guy telling me that he 2605 02:21:21.079 --> 02:21:23.600 had claimed to have seen them, two of them, running 2606 02:21:23.600 --> 02:21:26.719 across his farm field and he reported them and the 2607 02:21:26.760 --> 02:21:28.799 game board to tell me, you, no, they ain't what 2608 02:21:28.799 --> 02:21:32.520 you saw. This is not They don't exist here. You know, 2609 02:21:32.639 --> 02:21:34.760 Why are you telling people that they're lying or why 2610 02:21:34.799 --> 02:21:37.360 are you telling people that they ain't what they're seeing? 2611 02:21:37.399 --> 02:21:39.520 I mean, come on, if it's a mountain lion. How 2612 02:21:39.520 --> 02:21:42.040 could you misidentify a mountain lion? You know, it's a 2613 02:21:42.120 --> 02:21:45.760 large cat with a long tail, you know so. And 2614 02:21:45.799 --> 02:21:49.319 I didn't even bother get into any other bringing anything up. 2615 02:21:49.639 --> 02:21:52.360 I mean, because I know back in twenty fifteen, what 2616 02:21:52.440 --> 02:21:56.520 I saw just on the outside of Elkhorn Lake, by 2617 02:21:56.520 --> 02:21:59.280 the interest of the lake, what I saw was a 2618 02:21:59.319 --> 02:22:02.559 black one. You know, I've seen a black one. I 2619 02:22:02.600 --> 02:22:04.079 didn't know what I was seeing at first, So it 2620 02:22:04.120 --> 02:22:07.159 got up on all fours and walked, walked across the road, 2621 02:22:07.840 --> 02:22:10.559 and I've seen that long black tailed dragon behind it. 2622 02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:13.760 There ain't no bear. What the heck? Cauco is that 2623 02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:18.360 going to be? You know? You know so? But it 2624 02:22:18.479 --> 02:22:19.159 is what it is. 2625 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:24.200 I mean, I believe the town folk, country folk right 2626 02:22:24.280 --> 02:22:26.280 here before the game wards anyway, because. 2627 02:22:27.959 --> 02:22:31.239 It's tourism, is what they don't want to hurt. 2628 02:22:32.319 --> 02:22:36.399 Oh, absolutely absolutely. And that's another thing I've been in 2629 02:22:36.479 --> 02:22:39.959 discussion that regardless of it's if the government and the officials, 2630 02:22:39.959 --> 02:22:43.600 the locals, if they all admitted, yes, there's there's sasquatch 2631 02:22:43.680 --> 02:22:47.600 that that live in these woods, or there's mountain lions 2632 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:51.280 that roam these forests. Yeah, you think that's gonna you know, 2633 02:22:51.600 --> 02:22:53.440 why would they want to put the fear into people, 2634 02:22:53.799 --> 02:22:57.680 you know and start spending time and education in these 2635 02:22:57.719 --> 02:23:00.920 local state forests that you know, they spend money. You 2636 02:23:00.959 --> 02:23:03.360 know they think, yeah, exactly what you said. It would 2637 02:23:03.399 --> 02:23:07.600 hurt to tourism. The economy would start to decline, you know, 2638 02:23:08.319 --> 02:23:09.239 in one way or another. 2639 02:23:09.920 --> 02:23:12.200 It won't crash, but I mean it's just to a 2640 02:23:12.280 --> 02:23:15.799 degree they don't want to take a chance. 2641 02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:20.719 Well, well, it's just like back in the shoot. This 2642 02:23:20.840 --> 02:23:24.360 day is back many years ago based off of our research. 2643 02:23:24.840 --> 02:23:30.319 It day back from the nineteen sixties, you know, nineteen 2644 02:23:30.360 --> 02:23:33.159 sixties to the ninth even up to the nineteen eighties. 2645 02:23:34.159 --> 02:23:37.120 The sparted Isle. I'm sure you guys are familiar with 2646 02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:42.520 the sparted isle back when it was first discovered out 2647 02:23:42.559 --> 02:23:48.200 in the Pacific northwest, the Sparta the story behind the 2648 02:23:48.200 --> 02:23:51.239 Spartan Isle. It was seen on several different occasions, but 2649 02:23:51.239 --> 02:23:55.959 it wasn't until the eighties, the early eighties where officially 2650 02:23:56.000 --> 02:24:00.879 became a part of the endangered species list. And because 2651 02:24:00.920 --> 02:24:02.879 they were sparted out, there was a rare species of 2652 02:24:03.200 --> 02:24:09.600 owl that they proved to exist. And what happened back 2653 02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:14.440 then it shut down the logging industry, the logging industry 2654 02:24:14.479 --> 02:24:17.000 came to a halt. And when the logging industry came 2655 02:24:17.040 --> 02:24:19.520 to a halt, which was a big part of the 2656 02:24:19.559 --> 02:24:23.959 economy out west. I mean, it's part of the economy 2657 02:24:23.959 --> 02:24:25.559 out here. We have a lot of a lot of 2658 02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:28.200 logging that happens here in the East Coast, but out 2659 02:24:28.239 --> 02:24:31.840 there was more common. And when the sparta owl was 2660 02:24:31.840 --> 02:24:36.719 discovered and immediately declared an endangered species. To keep in mind, 2661 02:24:36.760 --> 02:24:39.639 the sparta isle it's only about probably no more than 2662 02:24:39.680 --> 02:24:43.840 ten inches tall. When that spart when that, when the 2663 02:24:43.920 --> 02:24:46.239 logging became to came to a dead halt because they 2664 02:24:46.239 --> 02:24:50.920 didn't want to endanger the you know, it's territory. It 2665 02:24:51.079 --> 02:24:55.079 put the logging industry to a cease and affected the economy. 2666 02:24:55.959 --> 02:24:58.920 And you know, with all that being said and done, 2667 02:25:00.200 --> 02:25:02.680 I look at the same the same aspect, the same 2668 02:25:02.719 --> 02:25:06.000 thing when it comes to if Bigfoot was admitted to 2669 02:25:06.200 --> 02:25:10.319 exist in these forests. Yeah, here we have a humanoid 2670 02:25:10.399 --> 02:25:13.520 bipedal creature. Regardless of how you want to look at it, 2671 02:25:13.559 --> 02:25:17.920 if it's human or not human. If the government this 2672 02:25:18.000 --> 02:25:20.319 is this is just my honest opinion. I believe if 2673 02:25:20.360 --> 02:25:23.360 they if it was publicly announced that this was to exist. 2674 02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:25.840 I mean, look at all the law and that we 2675 02:25:25.959 --> 02:25:28.760 have going on here and the clearings of these forests 2676 02:25:28.799 --> 02:25:33.399 that turn into subdivisions. Would they have to you know, 2677 02:25:33.520 --> 02:25:35.520 I think it would affect economy in some in one 2678 02:25:35.559 --> 02:25:37.520 way or another. I mean, this is again, this is 2679 02:25:37.559 --> 02:25:44.159 just my honest opinion. One, if bigfoot became listed as 2680 02:25:44.200 --> 02:25:48.440 a living, existent species that live in the forest, you 2681 02:25:48.479 --> 02:25:51.399 would have to think that, well, wouldn't that be on 2682 02:25:51.440 --> 02:25:53.840 the endangered species list? Because you know, we're taken away 2683 02:25:53.840 --> 02:25:55.760 from its home. I mean, what's going to happen if 2684 02:25:55.760 --> 02:26:00.520 we keep clearing off all these forests? And so between 2685 02:26:00.520 --> 02:26:04.799 the economy, the fear factor, and you know that that 2686 02:26:04.840 --> 02:26:07.239 goes along. When I say the fear factor, It's like 2687 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:11.079 if people were, especially with these non believers, if the 2688 02:26:11.120 --> 02:26:14.520 government was to come up and publicly say, yeah, we 2689 02:26:14.639 --> 02:26:20.120 had a large humanoid, bipedal harry being living among us. Yeah, 2690 02:26:20.719 --> 02:26:23.360 and not just even that, if they admit to the 2691 02:26:23.399 --> 02:26:26.559 mountain lions here on the East coast. You know, families 2692 02:26:26.559 --> 02:26:28.399 with their kids just like, oh, I'm not going to 2693 02:26:28.479 --> 02:26:31.079 go out there if there's mountain lions out there, you know. 2694 02:26:31.479 --> 02:26:34.559 So that's where I say the fear factor would kind 2695 02:26:34.600 --> 02:26:37.959 of come into play, but I mean again, I again, 2696 02:26:38.000 --> 02:26:41.280 I repeat this my honest opinion, you know. 2697 02:26:41.479 --> 02:26:48.440 So mm hmm. Well then I gotta wrap. I got 2698 02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:50.120 I gotta get up in the morning. 2699 02:26:50.760 --> 02:26:53.479 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I totally get that. 2700 02:26:53.760 --> 02:26:54.440 No problem. 2701 02:26:54.719 --> 02:27:01.440 So back list will be good to go. 2702 02:27:04.200 --> 02:27:10.159 Absolutely, shoot, no problem. We're gonna do this again very 2703 02:27:10.200 --> 02:27:12.479 soon because I have some stuff I have written down 2704 02:27:12.559 --> 02:27:15.959 I was gonna go over but for a future discussion 2705 02:27:16.000 --> 02:27:17.920 and things that we'll get into because I wrote down 2706 02:27:17.959 --> 02:27:21.040 several things that will be interesting to talk about, but 2707 02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:25.280 absolutely which I never even I never got into that. 2708 02:27:25.399 --> 02:27:28.120 We've got in some pretty interesting things with al and everything, 2709 02:27:28.200 --> 02:27:30.440 and then one thing to led to another. But yeah, 2710 02:27:31.479 --> 02:27:33.520 so this has been great. Thank you guys for coming 2711 02:27:33.559 --> 02:27:36.440 on here. I really love this and I hope you 2712 02:27:36.520 --> 02:27:38.840 got to can join us again for the next roundtable discussion. 2713 02:27:39.360 --> 02:27:45.399 Oh yeah, absolutely. So one last thing before we go out, 2714 02:27:45.840 --> 02:27:48.920 I'm going to play the events again, So everybody, if 2715 02:27:48.920 --> 02:27:51.920 you're listening and you want to attend an awesome event 2716 02:27:52.479 --> 02:27:55.639 here along the East coast. I got some other events 2717 02:27:55.639 --> 02:27:59.840 I'll be announced soon. They're coming up also this year, 2718 02:28:00.120 --> 02:28:02.760 I haven't touched base on them yet, but these are 2719 02:28:02.799 --> 02:28:04.920 the first few that I want to share with everybody. 2720 02:28:04.959 --> 02:28:08.200 If you guys are still listening, feel free to listen 2721 02:28:08.200 --> 02:28:12.120 to and Marky's down on your calendars. So again, listen David, 2722 02:28:12.159 --> 02:28:15.440 thank you very much and keep it squashy until that's 2723 02:28:15.479 --> 02:28:20.120 You're welcome. Have a good night, Absolutely you too, DCBRO 2724 02:28:20.440 --> 02:28:24.120 Bigfoot Radio fans, it's time to grab your pens, your 2725 02:28:24.159 --> 02:28:27.920 calendars and start writing down these dates for these upcoming events. 2726 02:28:28.040 --> 02:28:31.840 In the twenty twenty five year, February eighth, the ECBRO 2727 02:28:32.120 --> 02:28:35.959 is hosting a big Foot in lunch gathering in Lexington, Virginia, 2728 02:28:36.040 --> 02:28:39.840 happening at the Legendary Eats Cafe. If you have a 2729 02:28:39.840 --> 02:28:42.000 big Foot story, or if you're just a fan of 2730 02:28:42.040 --> 02:28:43.879 Bigfoot and you want to learn what's going on with 2731 02:28:44.159 --> 02:28:46.879 the ECBRO and I know who they are and what 2732 02:28:46.920 --> 02:28:50.159 they do, this event's for you. It's a free event. 2733 02:28:50.639 --> 02:28:52.120 The only thing that is going to cost you if 2734 02:28:52.120 --> 02:28:55.639 you want to buy off the menu and enjoy a 2735 02:28:55.840 --> 02:29:01.159 delicious meal while you sit among other researchers. All right, Moving. 2736 02:29:00.959 --> 02:29:03.239 Ahead in the month of March, March twenty ninth is 2737 02:29:03.239 --> 02:29:07.120 the pen Ohio pronomal Con happening at the Timoty Banquet 2738 02:29:07.159 --> 02:29:09.040 Center in Cree, Ohio. 2739 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:14.440 Yes, that is also sponsored and hosted by mister Bill Ragbi. 2740 02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:19.360 All right, jumping ahead into the month of June, Boy, 2741 02:29:19.600 --> 02:29:23.479 do we have some awesome stuff going on in June again. 2742 02:29:23.879 --> 02:29:25.879 I hope you're marking this down and I hope you 2743 02:29:26.520 --> 02:29:31.280 prepare yourself to attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and 2744 02:29:31.440 --> 02:29:37.520 eighth Happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania, the Forest County Bigfoot Festival. 2745 02:29:38.440 --> 02:29:43.479 The event that's grown so huge it's unbelievable. You're gonna 2746 02:29:43.479 --> 02:29:47.399 want to attend this event. Over one hundred vendors, food trucks, 2747 02:29:48.120 --> 02:29:52.440 and guest speakers. This event is something you want to attend. 2748 02:29:52.959 --> 02:29:55.600 Not to mention. If you'd like to go squatching, there 2749 02:29:55.719 --> 02:29:59.239 is the Alleganty National State Forest nearby. You're gonna want 2750 02:29:59.280 --> 02:30:04.600 to check that for out. It is very squashy. June 2751 02:30:04.639 --> 02:30:09.479 twentieth and twenty first, Happening in Where's Cave, Virginia at 2752 02:30:09.479 --> 02:30:11.840 the Where's K Community Center is. 2753 02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:15.600 The annual ECBRO Virginia big Foot Conference. 2754 02:30:15.959 --> 02:30:18.399 Yes, it's right there, being held at the Community Center. 2755 02:30:18.440 --> 02:30:25.040 And Where's Cay, Virginia both indoor and outdoor vendors, guest speakers, fun, activity, 2756 02:30:25.079 --> 02:30:26.440 and contest for the kids. 2757 02:30:26.879 --> 02:30:28.600 You're gonna want to check this out. If you've never 2758 02:30:28.639 --> 02:30:31.280 been to this event, it's very fun. You get to 2759 02:30:31.280 --> 02:30:34.200 meet up with other light minded people, get to go 2760 02:30:34.319 --> 02:30:36.399 out and hang out with them in the evenings around 2761 02:30:36.399 --> 02:30:39.680 the fire. If you're get that special invite, you get 2762 02:30:39.680 --> 02:30:41.760 to have a lot more. You're gonna want to check 2763 02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:44.120 that out and start becoming a part of that event, 2764 02:30:44.200 --> 02:30:47.319 because that is not just in an event, it's like 2765 02:30:47.360 --> 02:30:51.079 a family gathering. That's June twentieth and twenty first, so 2766 02:30:51.280 --> 02:30:54.879 feel free to check that out. And ladies and gentlemen 2767 02:30:55.760 --> 02:31:00.680 happening in the month of June. Also June twenty six, 2768 02:31:00.840 --> 02:31:05.040 twenty seventh, and twenty eighth happening in Sutton, West Virginia, 2769 02:31:05.360 --> 02:31:10.319 is the annual Western Virginia. You have Bigfoot Festival, another massive, 2770 02:31:10.559 --> 02:31:14.719 huge festival with over one hundred a venders, all kinds 2771 02:31:14.760 --> 02:31:18.559 of activity and fun and contests for kids and people 2772 02:31:18.559 --> 02:31:22.840 of all ages. Guest sneakers, celebrities, people you're gonna want 2773 02:31:22.840 --> 02:31:25.559 to get to known, get to meet and learn rome 2774 02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:27.680 ladies and gentlemen. I hope you guys are taking the 2775 02:31:27.719 --> 02:31:30.920 time to mark these dates and these locations down. If 2776 02:31:30.959 --> 02:31:34.360 you have any questions regarding any of these events, send 2777 02:31:34.360 --> 02:31:41.639 an email to ecb RO ninety eight at gmail dot com. 2778 02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:44.559 And ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening to the 2779 02:31:44.559 --> 02:31:47.440 ecb R Bigfoot Radio. We got a lot more interesting 2780 02:31:47.440 --> 02:31:52.920 stuff from around. If you love our Bigfoot Talk roundtable discussions, 2781 02:31:53.479 --> 02:31:55.440 we got more of that coming up. I promise you 2782 02:31:55.559 --> 02:32:01.840 we do Bigfoot stories, experiences, and so much more in between. 2783 02:32:03.319 --> 02:32:09.079 I encourage you to follow ecb R Bigfoot Radio share 2784 02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:12.200 our content around because you know we're going to spread 2785 02:32:12.239 --> 02:32:14.559 the word about so much more information, things that you 2786 02:32:14.600 --> 02:32:19.520 won't hear on other podcasts. And with that being said, 2787 02:32:19.559 --> 02:32:22.639 I want you guys to understand that the ecb RO 2788 02:32:22.680 --> 02:32:26.559 O the East Coast Bigfoot Researchers Organization, our group, and 2789 02:32:26.600 --> 02:32:30.319 our team. We're part of a filming project that's taking 2790 02:32:30.319 --> 02:32:35.719 place over the next few months with a new YouTube 2791 02:32:35.760 --> 02:32:38.879 series that will be taking place and airing on YouTube, 2792 02:32:39.719 --> 02:32:43.360 Bigfoot Explorers. If you're a fan of the expedition Bigfoot, 2793 02:32:43.479 --> 02:32:47.920 Find Your Bigfoot, or any other show that's including Bigfoot, 2794 02:32:48.680 --> 02:32:50.840 I really think you're going to enjoy this because you 2795 02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:55.399 know what this new series is going to be for you. 2796 02:32:55.040 --> 02:32:59.440 We encourage you to follow the new YouTube series on 2797 02:32:59.639 --> 02:33:05.520 YouTube channel Bigfoot Zone ecb RRO again YouTube channel Bigfoot 2798 02:33:05.719 --> 02:33:11.799 Zone ecb r H. If you're not subscribed, I encourage 2799 02:33:11.799 --> 02:33:14.719 you to get on Get on board is subscribe to 2800 02:33:14.760 --> 02:33:18.360 the channel now. And if you have any questions, I 2801 02:33:18.479 --> 02:33:21.520 encourage you. If you have any questions whatsoever, anything that 2802 02:33:21.559 --> 02:33:24.920 you want to discuss our future podcast. That's what we're 2803 02:33:24.920 --> 02:33:28.159 here for. We're here for you. We're here to educate 2804 02:33:28.200 --> 02:33:30.959 and spread awareness to the public. I don't care what 2805 02:33:31.040 --> 02:33:32.799 country you live in, I don't care what part of 2806 02:33:32.840 --> 02:33:35.159 the world you live in. We want to hear for you. 2807 02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:39.879 If you have a question, send your questions to email 2808 02:33:40.479 --> 02:33:45.959 e C. B r oh ninety eight at gmail dot com. Again, 2809 02:33:46.520 --> 02:33:49.840 that is E. C. B r O ninety eight at 2810 02:33:49.879 --> 02:33:53.799 gmail dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for following 2811 02:33:54.000 --> 02:33:59.520 ec RO Bigfoot Radio. We appreciate your your loyal and 2812 02:33:59.760 --> 02:34:02.719 you know your loyal ship and your you know your 2813 02:34:02.719 --> 02:34:06.159 fellowship and everything in between. Thank you, God bless and 2814 02:34:06.239 --> 02:34:08.719 keep you squatching my friends. Until next time.