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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Penguin

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Review series. I'm the clown Prince of Hyde Zeekh Tresnail,

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I'm enjoyed by.

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Speaker 2: I'm the Rainy Day kirkle Patzer.

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Speaker 3: I am the oz of Wald Taylorfield.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Quite the names going on here, but yes,

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we are here to discuss the pin ultimate episode of Penguin,

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episode seven, the Finale. Boys, we're here. The finale is

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next week. It's coming to a close and no more

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Matt Reeves, Batman, Epic crime saga, whatever it's called till

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twenty twenty six. It's gonna be a long wait, but

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hopefully it ends in a satisfying way. And is it

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set up that way? I don't know. We're gonna talk

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about that. Yeah, lots of stuff happening this week is

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usual side quest egg of that's done. So that's done.

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We will have a newscast. Patrons are gonna get some

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new retros. So I don't know what's in the talk.

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It's either Superman retro Fantastic four, but you're gonna get

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beginning one or both this month. They'll be bread and

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butter all. They could jazz after a month, coming after month,

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our new show after month after nine will be coming up.

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And yeah, obviously we're a little bit loopy now as

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we're recording this, as we have just stayed up for

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twenty four hours. We had our actual life charity stream.

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I had about a two hour nap. I was watching

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the Commander's Bears game going strong. As watched the first half,

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woke up, game was over.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that was meet with the Formula One

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race today actually, so yeah, very very similar.

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Speaker 2: I was good for the first.

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Speaker 4: Ten laps and then woke up second last lap. I'm like,

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holy shit, OK, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: Taking a movie and you're like, where am I like Moonnight?

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Remember when here that? And you'd wake up, you'd wake up,

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you'd being like Egypt, what the fuck? But yeah, so

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obviously that might attest to it for sound a little

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more tired, or we might be I get a few

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things wrong. That's why we're not operating one hundred percent.

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But we're getting that episode out there early. We're gonna

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talk and do a bunch of thank yous when we

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do the newscast later on this week, because there's already

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a bunch of news we got that. But just as

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a general people, thank you to anyone that did tune

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in watch donate. We appreciate shape that we raised thirteen

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hundred dollars and can it's eighty seven, no one, eighty

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seven dollars. Yeah. So, uh, as you can see, I'm

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gonna just boot crook on the room for a little bit,

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just to give the two for here as you can

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see a lot. Actually I'll switch because last week I

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think we're changed. We uh, I have no longer my

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hair of two years is all gone now. And then yeah,

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I'm looking everyone says I got the lex Luthor thing.

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I do have to make myself. I think you guys

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can tell me otherwise. I think I got a pretty

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good round head. Like it's pretty I understand that. But

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then Terry supposed to get back.

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Speaker 3: But you can put candies in people's mouths.

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Speaker 1: Whoa and then Tay, you want to show it you

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got Yeah, Chenny, you want to show people what you

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got going on there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How do I how do I get big? I get enlarged?

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Speaker 5: Here we go?

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Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah that's madson about that? I don't know. Yeah,

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so he's got the hulk Hogan Sash Handley probably. Yeah,

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so you got that going on. But yeah, so we

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did that, lots of other fun stuff. The stream is

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up there for everyone to watch. You can go back.

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We sang some karaoke we I don't even know. We

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did twenty four hours the X Men cam. Oh yeah,

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the x Men came and when I have my less

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nice song here. So yeah, it was a good time.

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The streams up there, all twenty four hours of it.

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If you need to ask us where spec Like, I

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know Maddie wants to watch me and Kirkham's college game.

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we'll give you like a general time frame where it is.

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But tons of fun. Again, thank you everybody, but we'll

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shut up specific names and everything on the newscast as well,

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because it's a big part. But uh, mister Passer, what

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Top Hat is what it was called?

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, I really liked this episode.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a nice stormy weather episode in

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the sense of just things are getting intense to be

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess every episode I felt that way.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, and like last week it had like a

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big cliffhanger, and I feel like this week have like

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carrying the same cliffhanger and just pushing it along to

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next week, like it's like something else that's gonna be

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Speaker 2: I guess, so, well, okay.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss.

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it feels a little bit different maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It closed that chapter and with some of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, I think it was really really solid.

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Speaker 2: Minor spoilers, there's like a nice flashback.

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characters in the right ways. But uh yeah, no, I

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those flashbacks was just like so impressive. Like yeah again,

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minor spoilers, but someone does like little Oz, and I'm

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just like, man like, this guy's just so good at

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like the little I don't know, just mannerisms, the way

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that he speaks and just his little one liners, like

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he just he looks like, uh like our older Oz.

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Speaker 2: It's just such a great show.

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I trust that they'll they'll impress with a nice finale.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need a little awe series, you know. I

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up to some bad stuff. But I'm like, I find

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it's just a little hyjenks. But still, uh yeah. The

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whatever it's myst was. It's a flashback of Oz and

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like she's just the age somehow, But like.

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the Batman has great castling penguin like everybody casting the

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series in the Matt Reeves universe, you're doing a great job.

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to Batmanton you get some more great casting. Look first

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a good hop. So I'm very excited for next week.

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like another great episode and like, you know, another perfect season.

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until this episode. I'm not saying this show might not

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comic Bookie, and not in a good way, like the

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way this universe. I'm not saying that matter reason like comokes,

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detour and I just don't think unless and this is

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nitpick so far. I think it's the first episode I

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had like a couple issues. But maybe once we talk

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the ambout, maybe they won't be as much issues. We'll

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you know, so we'll see. But uh, mister Fields, what

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do you think of this episode?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? This episode was fantastic.

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Speaker 5: I really really liked it, and I thought, I thought,

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we're gonna get something very different, but it just it

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Speaker 3: A really really good way.

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Speaker 5: And I thought that we got a lot of really

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cool stuff that kind of filled in the gaps a

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and I'm just I'm on the edge of my seat

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excited to see what next week is. I really with

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the cliffhanger from last week, I really wasn't sure how

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this is going to start. And that's why a big

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part of the way that this episode started subverted my

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this is just so fucking crazy, and just yeah, Oz

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how much of a piece of shit he really is,

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Speaker 3: This isn't a.

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Speaker 5: Spoiler, but oh he'll be like like Pat and a

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people and then like something that something happens and it's like, wow,

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he has a piece of shit, which I'll highlight it

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and spoilers what exactly it.

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Speaker 3: Is, because it's like, fuck, that's just brutal.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to ask you a specific question because I'm

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Speaker 3: Okay, curious, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, well, lady Jane, we will be right

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back in the spoilers. So if you've not seen the episode,

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then we'll be right back. And we are back, so

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I said a live mirror, like I feel like the

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past few weeks, I keep checking in on you with

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your your Victor scale on if he is alive or

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not by time the show ends, and I I don't know.

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I just felt like once I saw that Penguin killed

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his own two brothers, I was like, there's no way

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Taylor can think that Victor is gonna make it out

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of this. So because in my opinion, and this is

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not really a native for me. I need to stew

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on of it more. I don't think they and to

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set up yet. They do a flashback. It's Penguin, his

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two brothers and his mom. Uh, he wants to just

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stay and hang with He's very I think we always

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thought he was a mama's boy, but this really showed

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how much he very much is a mama's boy. He

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just wanted to stay and hang out with his mom,

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you know. So they go down they're doing some shady

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feelings and Mobster gives his brothers are fifty. They go

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play hind and seek in the place where they've been

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growing the bliss like offst years later, and then they

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kind of put him in like an embarrassing situation where

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he used to climb a ladder. Obviously he has the

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gobbled foot, so that can't really go well for him.

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They're kind of laughing at him, and then this jumps

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to Penguin locking his brothers up in the wall our

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central like like, I don't know whatever it is, something

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water made or something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's it was like a flood flood tunnel or something

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like that. Yeah, it had like the classic like uh yeah,

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like old tanker ship like seal door. So yeah, so

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a good place to be trapped.

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Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, and then he just kills them.

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For me, I'm not this isn't a negative for me

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because of a like I could buy Penguin would do that.

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I think they could have maybe made his brother's maybe

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a bit more assholes, like I don't know, like I

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felt like he was very minor stuff, But this is

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why I just thought, like that stuff I'm fine with.

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I don't have a nipis, but this is why I

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thought Taylor he killed there, his brother's over like some

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very minor things. You still think our man Victor is

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gonna get out alive after this.

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Speaker 5: I think that Victor fits into a different kind of

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card than certain other characters.

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Speaker 1: Ah, you keep making reasons and excuses why. That's just

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how I feel like when you send over his body,

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when you see the.

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Speaker 5: Like there's there's there's certain things here where Okay, yes,

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there's there's certain things that young Oz does that makes sense,

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and that kind of sticks with him because he's a liar,

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and that just follows him into adulthood as he becomes

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a gangster and the leader of his own crew. But

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I think you also have to examine it as okay, well,

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he's just he's just a kid, and he.

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Speaker 3: Made a really really rare decision.

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Speaker 5: And while he locked them in there, I don't think

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he was planning on them getting killed. I think he

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was expecting them to get out and find their way out,

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but he didn't give a shit, and when they ended

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up dying, I think he lives with that, and I

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think it's it's it is heavy on him because he

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doesn't like people talking about him or anything like that,

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and so I think that there is that kind of

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there is something on his conscious that about that on

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what he did, and that sticks with him because that

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was just a kid making a very emotional, rash decision

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and it totally fucked up and it turned into something

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very very bad. Whereas when you look at Victor, I think, okay,

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well Oz is much older and he's done all this

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different things, and so I think with Victor, I mean,

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it could have gone very different in that situation, but

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the way he had to handle it when Vic was

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like I'm sorry, and he's like fuck your guilt, like

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go out there, like let's get the army like and

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he's like okay, and it's just a big ben unconscious.

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Speaker 1: He's unconscious. No this whole episode though, you know once

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at the base at the end.

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Speaker 5: Because I would say you he definitely couldn't have rallied

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them that fast, because I think the whole period between

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Oz getting attacked by Sal in the apartment and then

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going to their drops location they're like manufacturing point and

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the sewers, I would say that was probably like a

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half an hour to an hour. Now at the end

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when I'd say you probably have like still the same

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day a few more hours. But I think you're telling

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Vic has to go to like the Triads and like

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the four other gangs and just rally them together to

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get an army.

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Speaker 3: And so Oz knows that no Os just has his

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his crew with him.

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Speaker 5: But the thing that caught me up guard a little bit,

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just but again it just reaffirms how much of a

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piece of shit he really is is that he saw

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that there was C four there and he just ran

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when he saw it in the vehicle, he didn't tell anyone.

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Speaker 3: And then you see the scene of the guy look

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like what's.

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Speaker 1: Going on after these men saved his life? Like I

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just don't. I just love that you think Victor is

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gonna make up and we get I just feel like

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every time this show shows cobble pot or, I get sorry,

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he's just caught up in the show shows them care

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about someone, save someone You're with me. He turns on them, Sophia,

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his brothers. These guys literally like could have just they

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probably would still be alive if they just jumped ship

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and went with sal and work for them, They'd probably

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still be.

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Speaker 3: Good, absolutely would be alive.

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Speaker 1: Their dad, blown up bodies in the sewer, ear and everything.

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So we got lots to talk about. But I when

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we go back to Kirkland, did you think Oz meant

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to Kill's brothers or not?

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Speaker 4: I thought a lot of that was really interesting because

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it seemed like a setup for like a serial killer

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type like like psychopath type type like behavior of like

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mental disorder, of just being like so attached to his mom,

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and like, I feel like that's why I had some

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issues actually, like with that flashback scene because to your point, Travis,

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they don't really show the brothers being like assholes to him, like.

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Speaker 1: A huge to like warrant death or even because you said, like, oh,

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he just thought they get out. If they get out

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and they tell his mom he locked us in the thing,

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I feel like he'd lose all these brownie points with

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his mom, who already is like kind of hard on him.

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So that's my only pushback against oh, he thought they'd

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get back, because I feel like the mom would be

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fucking livid with Oz that. I'm like, you locked them

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in like a water tunnel, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I like, I think I was expecting him to

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maybe be more concerned when the rain just kept coming,

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because there's a couple of times when he looks outside,

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he just keeps seeing rain, but he's just like, yeah, no,

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that's fine.

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Speaker 1: That's so full to like remind him, like, hey, that

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could be your brothers right now.

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Speaker 4: And like yeah, like that that scene makes it seem like, Okay,

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this character has like no remorse for his brothers at all.

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Like he clearly is like so cold hearted that like

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he never even like you, never even wanted them around.

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All he wants is just him and his mom. And

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I think that that type of behavior hasn't really like

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translated well to what we've already seen between the dynamic

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between Cobb and uh.

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Speaker 2: Like his mom.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's just some disconnect there, and maybe

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I was hoping for some more filling in the blanks,

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like like like connecting those two of maybe just more

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moments of I don't know, just showing that he's like

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obsessed with his mom and like just like that level

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of like attachment. Because even here when he's trying to

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find like his mom, like like it doesn't seem like

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he's losing his absolute mind over it, like like it

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seems like it's aciet priority, but he's still like calm

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and like collected of like managing his business. Where I

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feel like the little boy that we see in the

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early portions of the show is like a Norman Bates

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level of like attachment to his mother and like I

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would burn the whole fucking city like to get my

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mom back. So like I don't know, and maybe I'm

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just maybe like maybe that is what they were going for,

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and I just didn't like see it that cleanly.

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Speaker 1: But because even when they want to do the swap,

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he still has men to like take out Sofia, so

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he didn't even truly intend to just flat out, Kay,

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I'm gonna we've gone too far. I'm gonna give you

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the bliss, just give me my mom. He was doing

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another trap again, so he was using his mom as bait,

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you know. So but again, it's been lots of years

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and she's sick now, right, She's kind of near the

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end of his life, so maybe he looks at it's like, well, true,

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it's only so much I can do for my mom,

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you know.

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Speaker 4: But I think I was just really surprised to get

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that level of like cold heartedness towards his brothers and

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then just no follow up with like he literally just

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murdered them, and like no follow up at all of

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like talking about that. Maybe that's something that would happen

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next week, so maybe I'll hold off my I don't

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know my my critiques about that, but I think that, like,

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I think that also goes to the point of, like, maybe,

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in hindsight, this would be my last, you know, to

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rank all the episodes, like this might be the least

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because it was the first time that I really was

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seeing some like disconnect between I don't know, just the

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storytelling around our characters. But yeah, to go back to

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your question you asked me initially, I did not expect

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him to kill his brothers and to just be fine

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with it, like I thought it was gonna be something

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that Okay, I just did it because I was pissed

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off of my brothers. And then he realized that and

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it like fucks him up for life, and he's like

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really regretful for it, and he's just like, I don't know,

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it's like a big traumatic experience, which is what it

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should be, right, Like if he is actually just a

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little boy that just was mad at his brothers and

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he just like, oh, I'm gonna lock you in here,

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not realizing that it would actually just kill them. And

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I am hoping for some just follow up I think

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next week, and if that doesn't happen, I'll I'll be

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a little bit bummed.

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Speaker 1: It's tough because I was really worried when Sophia was

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talking about the kids, she's gonna be like, oh, and

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she gave the names, like the mom Oz's mom gives

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a few of the names like yeah, I know those

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kids name they found him in a fucking you know,

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Sue or what like. It's the tough thing, like if

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they are down there and they just got flushed away,

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I don't know, that's gonna be hard for it to

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come back, right And Oz's mom doesn't think he had

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anything to do with it. So even Julian Rush's like

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psychoal analysis or whatever, what would cause that conversation to happen?

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Right if for Oz be like, oh, and I killed

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my brothers, like I don't, I don't. I actually don't

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think we're gonna touch back to it next week because

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there's so much and I just because I just don't

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know how we can how we can jump there. But

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some other points, christerh Evans, who' join us on that

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trivia last night, says the episode did a great job

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showing Oz rely piece of shit. Just in case we're

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all feeling sympthy. Yeah, because again this episode starts and

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this happens, I'm like, I don't really want this guy

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to win, you know, because he's this is a terrible person.

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And Mike says, I think he didn't tend to kill him,

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but by time it became too late to say them,

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he justified it to himself. I'm I'm fifty to fifty

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on this to answer this question, because I could say

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and even my fifty fifty. Okay, so if he didn't

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intend to kill him, he locked him up, but when

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he got home and he felt this lot, like this

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life with his mom, just him and his mom. I

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think he was fine with, oh, you know what, I'm

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fine with killing them, like he could have the chance

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to go back, saying he can go back later on

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that night and let him out or something like that.

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But I think he realized, you know what, this life's better.

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So if he didn't intend to kill them, he did

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later or because my thing is like Oz does that

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where he comes off as very nonchalant and unknowing and

474
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,279
almost like, yeah, I'm gona lock him up and screw you.

475
00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:30,960
But he's done that multiple times of shows where he

476
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,079
does that, but we know he's like bullshitting everybody and

477
00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,319
he's actually serious and wanting to hurt someone or make

478
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,359
a move. So that's where I could see Oz in

479
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,880
his mind playing at non chalotte, oh you you know

480
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,880
you fucking make fun of me to screw you, and

481
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,960
he closes it, and he did just want to kill

482
00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:48,240
him because he's just tired of like he didn't want

483
00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:50,240
to leave his mom. He's tired of you know, I

484
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:51,880
could have used a little bit more, but tired of

485
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,440
his brothers. He wants to, you know, make a move

486
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,079
and be the only son. So I'm I'm fifty to fifty,

487
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,839
but my fifty to fifty is like either way. At

488
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,799
one point, I don't think he everyone was like, oh,

489
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:02,920
they're just gonna find their way out, because once he

490
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960
saw that water, he knew it was up. And because

491
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,680
again that's the only thing is like, that's what takes

492
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,440
me away from him. The brothers would have come back

493
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,039
and told the mom. And that's where I think there's

494
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:16,799
a disc act for me of him knowing, oh, they

495
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,119
might find their way out and everything like that. But

496
00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:21,960
who knows. Maybe we'll touch upon next week, maybe we won't.

497
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,440
But I think that did a good job of showing

498
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,200
okay again, Penguin bad guy. But so we get that.

499
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,039
He goes back to the apartment, he finds Victor, Victor's knockdown,

500
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,920
conscious tells Victor to go round up the troops. I

501
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,319
guess we talk about Victor down because he's there. I

502
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,200
don't think he's just rounding up the troops. I think

503
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,799
there's something more at play here because I don't know,

504
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,960
just because it's just for them to have that moment

505
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,640
where Oz sees a guy and he's like, oh Victor,

506
00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:53,960
and it's not him to throw that out at the end.

507
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,039
I just felt like it was then reminding of us, Hey,

508
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,640
Victor's not here, and you could be right here that

509
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,319
he's just recruiting them. But I just feel like we

510
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,359
would have gotten scenes of that, especially because it was

511
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,119
a short episode. I just like we could have got

512
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,400
some scenes and of him talking to try like, I

513
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,119
don't know, I guess what the big thing is, what

514
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,160
Oz is a gunpoint is so Fia next week and

515
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:16,119
Vic during a bunch of his people show up, Like,

516
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,720
I just don't see that happening. So it just felt

517
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,480
all that we got no scenes of Victor other than

518
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,480
that one, and at the end they made a mention

519
00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:25,599
of it. But Tato, you just think he's you just

520
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960
think he's recruiting right now, right nothing else.

521
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: I think he's recruiting right now.

522
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 5: I'm I think you're you're right in saying like there

523
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,799
could be something else going on. I'm just gonna pay

524
00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,920
mine to it, being that he just suffered from this

525
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:45,480
explosion and he's walking around and fucking Gotham just floods

526
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,640
and bombs under the ground, just getting fucked up everywhere.

527
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:51,519
So he's just in the chaos, like his ears just popped.

528
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,160
He's thinking he's seeing people he knows, and he thought

529
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,519
it was his mom that was dead there like five

530
00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,720
minutes ago. Like just he's not very press right now

531
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,319
at the time, and he he stumbled into the cop

532
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,079
and the cop is like, hey, Sophia, want to see

533
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,200
it just knocks him out.

534
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: So he's not he's not very.

535
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 5: Ah yeah, coherent when he thought that was vic.

536
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,039
Speaker 1: Mm Mike, this is a hot take, and I don't

537
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,200
agree with that. He says, I think the mom knows

538
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,200
he killed him and she choose lie to herself about it.

539
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:24,079
I don't think that. I think that's I think that

540
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,559
the uh I don't know if the mom would uh

541
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,119
still love Oz that way. I can't. I can't get

542
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,799
on that bandwagon. Do you guys think that could be

543
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,519
possible that she's just lying herself she knows hostile him

544
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:33,960
out the night.

545
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's possible.

546
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: I think it would also like add to her own

547
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,079
like mental illness of like her just obsession with like Okay, ohs,

548
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,000
you have to take care of me, like you're like

549
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,200
you gotta be running the show. If you're making all

550
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,559
these moves, it's got to lead to something. Maybe that's

551
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,640
like just a lie that she's telling herself, But yeah,

552
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,400
I still think that she would want to tell herself

553
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,240
that's not real. So maybe she just formulates, you know,

554
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,920
a manufactured situation in our the Fleck type thing.

555
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, yeah, he's not the penguin, Taylor. Any

556
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,720
chance Ji Jannis is the penguin.

557
00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting thought, And I mean, if it happens,

558
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,519
I wouldn't actually be surprised. I I part of me

559
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,119
wants to say I could see that being the case,

560
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,279
but I don't think so. I think at the end

561
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:21,799
of the day, the.

562
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 3: Next episode, we're gonna have Oz and her be.

563
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: Confronted with each other and he's gonna let her know

564
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,880
and it's gonna be fucking brutal.

565
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that could be how they tied together if

566
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,519
she goes all always new. So I could be completely wrong.

567
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:35,920
I just feel like that's if that happens, I really

568
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,799
need to rethink about these characters and where they have

569
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,519
in this past little show. But uh, Kirka, where are

570
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:43,759
you in Victor? I think something's up with them Kirkle.

571
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,240
Taylor thinks he's just a recruiting What is the deal

572
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:47,240
with Victor in this episode.

573
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,319
Speaker 4: I'm a little unsure on where I would put my

574
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,480
chips on Victor right now, because I don't know. I

575
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,640
am definitely in the camp that he's not gonna last

576
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:04,240
beyond this this show. So because I'm under that, you know,

577
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:08,079
that vein of thinking, I think there is quite likely.

578
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: Something that is suscery going on.

579
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: But thinking about like everything that he's done throughout the show,

580
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,720
it doesn't really like all make sense to me, like

581
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,079
why he would not be loyal to Oz. I feel

582
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,920
like he like very likely could just be rounding the troops.

583
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,599
And because this is the penultimate, like let's just say

584
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000
Vic for the finale, because we're gonna kill him off anyways,

585
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:31,759
let's just save all that stuff in the finale. I

586
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:36,759
could very much see it being that, just like quite

587
00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:39,559
likely being the case. So I think if I if

588
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,519
I had to choose, like that is the case, like

589
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,960
it's okay, No, he's just he's just rallying everyone because

590
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,079
we didn't see everyone that he went to get right

591
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:49,119
like he was supposed to get Joo, a couple of

592
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,599
the other guys. I can't remember all the factions that

593
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,279
he's he's going after it but anyways, Yeah, there's people

594
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,039
that that he could be looking for that would definitely

595
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,759
keep him busy here, but very well likely could be

596
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,240
something suss and.

597
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

598
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: I was intrigued by the quick, little like face to

599
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,720
face that him and Oz have together because he does,

600
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,920
you know, show some like oh, I'm sorry. And that's

601
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,000
kind of what we were theorizing earlier on in the

602
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:18,440
in the season, right of, like, oh, could this be

603
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,160
the reason why Oz just snaps and eventually kills him

604
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,359
because he is the direct reason.

605
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Why his mom dies.

606
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,799
Speaker 4: And you know how I was already kind of laying

607
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:31,920
out just like the early flashbacks it shows how Cesti's

608
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,960
with his mom, like that would very much likely be

609
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,960
a reason for him to kill him, and he already

610
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960
brought up like he already killed his brothers, like why

611
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,000
would he not kill this guy?

612
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's kind of my thoughts on that.

613
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they surprised, like you said that he was

614
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,720
that was an issue is just go out there and

615
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,000
get stuff done. He wasn't mad at him yet, but again,

616
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,960
maybe if that results in the mother, if his mother dies,

617
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,000
that could result in Oz changing his mind on that

618
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:00,759
feeling had on Victor, like wouldn't that be heartbreaking? Comes back,

619
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,480
saves him, you know, you know, Oz's mom dies. So

620
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,079
at the end of the day, they've took out Sophia,

621
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,519
Sal's gone, they got the drugs, everything's going on, and

622
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,000
then they're sitting together. But then they have to He's

623
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,640
gonna kill Victor because like, well, at the end of

624
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,319
the day, you let my mom down, so I gotta

625
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,880
kill you. I don't know, it's gonna be interesting next

626
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,279
week to see which way they go. But Penguin goes there,

627
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,960
sends Victor off. I find this is where like, this

628
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,319
isn't a big nitpick for me, but I found it

629
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,400
very odd that so the events is, uh, you know,

630
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,279
the mom's Oz is my boy, that's happening, right, And

631
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,480
then Sofia shows up, clocks them, takes her gone for

632
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,960
you know, a few hours. Penguin shows up, gets the apartment,

633
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,359
finds vic mom's gone. Then right after Salvatory, Maroney and

634
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,960
his guys come up beat them up. It feels very,

635
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:56,240
I don't know, just kind of clunky to me. There's

636
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,440
a few things in this episode that feel clunky, like

637
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,039
this is something I really didn't like. There's nothing for me,

638
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,960
I can justify it where Okay, they get south, that's fine.

639
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,599
That Sal beat up on him, right, he killed his

640
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,000
wife and kids. He's a motherfucker, and I gotta make

641
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,680
you pay right. And then the next thing we see

642
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,359
those two believe there might be some other stuff in

643
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,400
the middle. It's just Sala like punching them or just

644
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,400
saying stuffing, right. But the next thing we see is

645
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,519
them down in the sewers or whatever the subways. And

646
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,160
I just found it very odd that it's like one

647
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,880
guy gets shot and then I got the ak for

648
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,480
some like he tells the guys like keep working, like

649
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,559
keep working, he like walks. They felt like NPC characters,

650
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,440
like is playing Hitman today, And it felt that where

651
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480
he's like this, hold steady. He walks to a K

652
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,319
fourty seven shoots him Sal, and like two guys walk

653
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,799
up and they're like, we're taking over. And I just thought, like, Okay,

654
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,279
Sal does not know what's down there. The fact that

655
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,519
Sophia is just like, I don't know, having a midlife

656
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,359
crisis while this is going on, is not like with salth.

657
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,200
At the same time, that felt very odd. I thought

658
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,680
she would want to be completely with him. Or doing

659
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,720
other stuff. But that's where for me very clunky. The

660
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,039
whole Penglin and kidnapped, and then for me it was

661
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,680
clunky of they get down there with a few guys,

662
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,480
Penguin and Sal fight in the subway, which we'll talk about,

663
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960
and then you know, Penguin gets that equation and then

664
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,960
he gets out and just all his men are standing

665
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,799
around and Ping's like, you did a lot of good

666
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,440
things here today. So it's just like, did Sal bring

667
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,799
two guys? But yeah, that's it, we're taking it. Just

668
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,680
this is where it felt like a TV show of

669
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,920
we don't have a budget to have Salvatur with a

670
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,960
bunch of guys. But it just felt odd of that

671
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,799
this confrontation was over so quickly. All around, I've literally

672
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,640
no issues what they do with Sal. I thought that

673
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,880
was kind of funny. It makes sense like if he

674
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,440
didn't watch him and Ping were fighting at a subway

675
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,000
station or subway train, Sal just has a heart attack

676
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,160
from all the straining his activity and dies. And I

677
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,839
love that Penguins such a piece of shit that he

678
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,119
say oh no, And I'm like, oh, is he showing

679
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,200
like some sort of remorse because Sal's died, like he

680
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,200
wanted to make work with them. No, it's just because

681
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,319
he wants to be able to tell sal that he

682
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,119
beat him, like he doesn't want him to die without

683
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,680
him knowing. He gets a little lines, he walks away,

684
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,960
and they keeps saying, yeah, I fucking beat you. You

685
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,240
couldn't do it. Like he's dead, He's he's gone.

686
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,759
Speaker 3: I'm shooting him after he's dead.

687
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: He's such like a sohere winner. But so I was

688
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,720
fine with all that. Salm ping was back and forth.

689
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,559
We're all good there of him talking about his burnt

690
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,519
kid and you want to work for see it for you.

691
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,000
But the whole takeover it felt very It felt like

692
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,640
it was supposed to be this big deal and then

693
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,680
these kind of just scrub guys just easily beat Salvator's guys.

694
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:26,839
Penguin beat Salvator and it was nothing that was it.

695
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,680
So that's where it felt like Salimore sALS, I'm just

696
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160
gonna say, H'm sal because I'm fucking out. The fatigue

697
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,480
getting to me, saus build up to the ending I

698
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,599
finally being the heart attack, But the actual takeover here

699
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,039
I felt was very anti climactic for me. I'm not

700
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,680
sure what you guys, thought about the ending of Sal

701
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,359
and kidnapping all this stuff in the Bliss Factory.

702
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I don't know. I didn't mind it as

703
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,279
a whole. I feel like, yeah, like the parishine of Sal,

704
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,799
that was kind of funny and like it.

705
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:03,079
Speaker 2: It is pretty lucky.

706
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: I guess how it happens when Penguin is just like

707
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,119
hand in hand combating Sal, like in the train or whatever,

708
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,519
like whatever location he's he's uh his final resting places.

709
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,200
I did think, like this doesn't really make like I

710
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,720
feel like Sal would have like a lot more guys

711
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,279
here if like this is like the hostile takeover, like

712
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,960
because for all they know, like if they're take if

713
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,240
they're going to Oz's like main area, he could have

714
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,400
like a full army, which is basically what he does have, right,

715
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,000
So I I don't know, I am somewhat with.

716
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: You there, Like that kind of seemed easy.

717
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,039
Speaker 4: And then when he just like has a heart Like

718
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,119
I don't have a problem with the heart attack. I

719
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,119
I liked that it was able to kind of shinel

720
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,559
light more on Oz's behavior of like just showcasing more

721
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,039
of the character, like he's such a sore winner, like

722
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,720
you said, like he has to be able to shoot

723
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:55,640
this guy look him in the eyes, like I won.

724
00:32:56,119 --> 00:33:01,000
I did like seeing all that thinking about Venison or

725
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,680
his poor family, So I did like all that stuff.

726
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,640
But yeah, I'm completely in agreeance to like a lot

727
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,599
of the characters that were in that scene. We're just

728
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440
totally NPCs, Like they just look so like airheady and

729
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,480
like not really reactive to what's going on. But yeah,

730
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,519
so not the perfect execution I think on that big takeover,

731
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:20,839
because I.

732
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,319
Speaker 2: Thought it was gonna be so much more intense.

733
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: This was also an episode that I feel like, more

734
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,279
than more than any other episode in the past, I

735
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,480
was like, man, maybe Oz isn't gonna make out of

736
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,680
the show, like like like I don't know, I just

737
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
feel like he's really setting up a lot of things that.

738
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: You can't really go back from here. But I don't know.

739
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: It's it's more and more looking like he's just gonna

740
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,599
be the victor of the seasons. But I still think

741
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,920
they'll do a good job at making the like audience

742
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,319
see this guy as a villain so that the next

743
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:49,599
time we see him, you know, we're not like just

744
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920
rooting for him, like oh yeah, you can bet Batman,

745
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,920
Like he is still a bad guy, and yeah, just

746
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,599
with like the flashback stuff, it's like he's kind of

747
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:01,720
always been a sour grape and hasn't really gotten much better,

748
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:03,599
just a little bit more dangerous as he's gotten older.

749
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Well you too, What do you think about the takeover

750
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,760
in Sal's demise here?

751
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was not expecting the heart attack. That really

752
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,039
caught me off guard, but again subverted my expectations. So

753
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,880
I think it was great because it just really delivered

754
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,920
on adding so much more depth to Oz as a

755
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,559
character and just how shitty he is and his actions

756
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,239
and decisions. So I thought it was really really great,

757
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,480
and with him, with Sal gone, it's just now back

758
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,679
to being a one v one. I can see maybe

759
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,639
some people are like, well, then there's no point in

760
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,199
Sal being alive from the start like two episodes ago

761
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,280
yet Yeah, yeah, but I think it's I like this

762
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,559
way of just kind of keeping him alive and letting

763
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,199
him serve the benefit of being in.

764
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: That particular place at that particular.

765
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,039
Speaker 5: Time, and allowing there to be more development with Oz

766
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,079
and other characters as well. But yeah, no, I think

767
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,920
Oz at this point still just yeah piece of shit, And.

768
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll leave it at that.

769
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think sal was gonna make it out

770
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,960
of the show, just because they put him in the

771
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,800
show and I could just see them sticking that. The

772
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,320
only reason I kind of was hoping he'd make it

773
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,519
out there because they left that thread about the whole

774
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:21,679
Wayns and Sal and that whole setup. And I like

775
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,559
Clancy Brown, so it's kind of hoping he might make

776
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:25,599
it in the movies and maybe Bruce Wayne or Batman

777
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,719
would have a scene similar way he had with Carmine,

778
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,480
but that's obviously not a possibility now because he is dead.

779
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,920
So there you go. And if you watch the just

780
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,320
the movies, you'll just think Sala's just still in prison

781
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,039
and everything. So that's why they kept it in contained

782
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:44,320
a little container. That's fine, but Alas, I'm a little

783
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,719
disappointed there. But you know, shout at Clancy Brown. I hope.

784
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,960
I love it that every couple of years he keeps

785
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440
popping up in Geek for his projects, So I can't

786
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,280
wait to see what he pops into the next. Hopefully

787
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,320
won a GV movie, you know, because I'd love to

788
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,599
work with mister Clancy Brown. But again, great as usual,

789
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,239
great scenes here, but so yeah, he dies and then

790
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,559
I'm gonna I'm gonna dovetail the penguin thing for an

791
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:10,599
how we're gonna come back to because we got Sophia

792
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,320
and here was this is something where I need to

793
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,960
see more of and again if if she survives, I

794
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,239
think I'll be more okay with it. But she's having

795
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,079
kind of a conscious like a conscious crisis going on here.

796
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,199
She has to go see she's you know, she got

797
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,639
oz mom. She's talking to her. They're having the back

798
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:29,199
and forth, which I think was a great scene. The

799
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,079
first scene with Oz's mom was really really good. I think, God,

800
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,760
I can't remember her full name, but the actress that

801
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,519
play Sophia, she's doing a fantastic job and just kind

802
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:39,599
of seeing this character and just the way she reacts

803
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,320
to Oz's mom just being like so bullheaded and just

804
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,079
kind of like brave, like almost arrogant of like you

805
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:48,559
have like you are dead to rights. But his mom

806
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,079
does not give a shit. She's gonna call her out

807
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:52,960
and say he's gonna kill you. I'm gonna be danced

808
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,360
on your grave. Like she's very impressed by this, but

809
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,239
then she's kind of taken aback. When I'll see her

810
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400
sickness hits Julian Rush, who of course will talk about

811
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,119
a little bit later. He's randomly back to give us

812
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,920
some exposition of all people I know, somebody that knows somebody,

813
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,199
and that girl and your family. The cops want to

814
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,000
talk to her. They said she've seen some things. This

815
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,280
is a problem pretty much in Situay, and he'll like,

816
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,840
I don't know, do something killer the bonemeizer, But no,

817
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,480
Sophia is gonna go talk to her. Very good touching

818
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,840
scene of her telling her, Hey, you know this sucks.

819
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,559
Your mom's dad, your dad's dead. But I guess well,

820
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,920
they're all bad people and you'll find yourself in a

821
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,199
family and then you'll be loved and this this is

822
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,599
all fine. She's a panic attack. I'm like this, it's

823
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,639
the next thing for me that I was. I need

824
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:34,440
to see what they do next week or even know.

825
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,840
She makes the batman of all of a sudden, she's

826
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,000
just having a panic attack. Julian Rush is talking her down.

827
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,280
She's talking about like this isn't the person she wants

828
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,440
to be, and which I just felt like we've spent

829
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,960
six episodes of this her wanting to be this person,

830
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:49,960
so it feels very odd for the penultimate for her

831
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440
to be like, I might not want to do this,

832
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,599
and then when it's like, well, what do you want

833
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:58,800
to do and her revelation is just like oz hurt,

834
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,400
It's like, well, that's so she wanted to do. It's

835
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,199
the same thing. It's and that's her. It's just like,

836
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,000
don't do any of this like that. Her being Matt

837
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,360
like upset about the kid. Think that's great. That plays

838
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,519
and you can play it the whole. I'm just like

839
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,440
my dad, but the whole well, I want to do

840
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,719
something different, but it's just maybe we'll see next week

841
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,559
what that is. But the oddest thing doesn't make sense.

842
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,239
I guess she said it shows wants to be free.

843
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,239
So she's just like like, I don't know, because she

844
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,239
bombed a place. We'll talk about and do other things

845
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
like great, but it's like Batman's around, so you'd assume

846
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,800
eventually he's gonna get to that. So Sophia, you don't

847
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,880
got to take it upon yourself to like take up

848
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,239
the scum of Gotham. So I was very mixed on

849
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,639
some of these storyline decisions. Acting wise all great stuff.

850
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:41,440
Uh and Julian Rush I also don't like I'm getting

851
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,800
more disappointed because we're like, oh fuck, what could he do?

852
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,440
And again next week this will answer this. But when

853
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,599
she said hey, I need your your expertise, and I

854
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:50,639
was like, oh shit, here we go. We're going somewhere,

855
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,280
and when it's just like he's just gonna give Ozma

856
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
like therapy lessons. As of right now, I'm like, oh,

857
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,519
all right, So hopefully there is some information that comes

858
00:38:58,519 --> 00:38:59,840
out of that, but as of right now, again it's

859
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,519
just like, okay, cool, they found out that they danced

860
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,559
at a club, Like that's Julian's big arc is we

861
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,559
can have a place to meet up oz the big

862
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:12,400
bang at the end of this finale, Like, I don't know,

863
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,840
so I had some issues acting wise, was all good here,

864
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400
But Kirka, what do you think about we got Rush stuff,

865
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,920
you got Sophia's stuff, little Ozma stuff. What do you

866
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,639
think about what's going on here in the penultu and episode?

867
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

868
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,519
Speaker 4: I think I was a little taken aback, which is

869
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,800
the uh, just the crises that.

870
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: Our hang woman was going through.

871
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: Hung I think it's just it doesn't really track with

872
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,079
like the growth of the character throughout the whole season

873
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:49,159
to just arrive at this point that it's like, man,

874
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,320
everything I've gone through the season, this isn't really what

875
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:51,719
I want.

876
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: Like, I you.

877
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,119
Speaker 4: Know, I burnt the whole mansion, I changed the name,

878
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,840
but I'm still just like plagued with the shadow of

879
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,639
my father.

880
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,079
Speaker 1: And my family. You know. Yeah.

881
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 4: But like I don't think her going through like that

882
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,480
way of thinking is necessarily bad. It's just I think

883
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,199
because it's happened here, it's like really like like we've

884
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,239
just done all this setup to get to this point.

885
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,360
It's like I don't want to do this anymore, but

886
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,320
I'm just gonna make Oz pay. But it's like, okay,

887
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,639
now we're just back to what we were doing before.

888
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: You just have this revelation one.

889
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,199
Speaker 1: Of those goals. Yeah, like if you had a few goals,

890
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,119
it's still the same. Like at first, when I'm like, oh,

891
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,320
just to make her run, I didn't think they were

892
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,800
going to do that, but like, oh, that'd be interesting

893
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,199
of like this character just like you know what, fuck

894
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,400
it actually, I like I almost wouldn't be mad at

895
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,639
that result of I'm turning into my father. I don't

896
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,480
want to do this. I'm just out of here. Fuck

897
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,679
the city, and like it's a weird end for her,

898
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,960
like her and Julia and Rush like run away together,

899
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,440
but like I wasn't opposed, but then when he's like,

900
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,519
what do you want? And then I also want awus

901
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:52,800
to feel pain, It's like, yeah, okay, we were already.

902
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,159
Speaker 4: I think I was also like I don't know, maybe

903
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:58,480
picturing like if she is having this this realization that

904
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,280
she doesn't want to be you know, in this in

905
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,119
this world but her, but she still just wants to

906
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,599
make Oz pay. Well, she's gonna do something really fucked

907
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,199
up to make him pay and then just go out

908
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,000
with a bang, and that's kind of like the end

909
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,000
of her story, Like she ends up getting off in

910
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,599
the process. And then maybe she just like gives all

911
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,880
of the wealth to the orphan girl, Like I could

912
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,360
kind of see that happening. Who knows, maybe that's gonna

913
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
be the next hang man give her fifteen years or

914
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,119
twenty years, whatever it is, and she's out for revenge.

915
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: I thought she's gonna take her, but no, she because

916
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,159
I thought she's gonna see the marks, like, oh man,

917
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,480
I am doing because this to me, like she's like, man,

918
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,679
I don't want to be like the point is she's

919
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
turning in her father, right, she doesn't want to be that.

920
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,239
To me, that would be well, you know what, don't

921
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,440
leave your blood relative rodding in arcam. Maybe go get

922
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,519
her whatever that it's just some you know whatever mental hospital, Like,

923
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,039
maybe go get her and yeah, start new you can

924
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:52,639
leave Julian and me. I ain't gonna bring him. He's

925
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,880
kind of creepy, but just take that. You got loads

926
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,519
of money, leave and Oz would just take over. He'll

927
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:00,599
eventually get some of those families in there and you're good.

928
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,320
Like That's what it was odd, And that's why I

929
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,480
just thought it was more again her becoming the villain

930
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,400
of no. Even though I might care for this little girl,

931
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,159
I'm about to be in the shit. I'm about to

932
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,480
go to war. I can't have this girl coming in here, right,

933
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,639
So I thought, oh, that's a that's a nice thing,

934
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,679
like let her go to another family. And I guess

935
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,199
maybe it could be on the whole better, but not

936
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,239
if you've run away. So and I don't know, I

937
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,719
don't know if I'm interested. Sofia having like a suicide mission,

938
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,440
it's gonna be like, ah, come to the Monroe so

939
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,000
we can all die. Together, Like I don't know if

940
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,440
I want that, you know, And well, let's go an

941
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,199
ad break. Oh, we'll take an add break and we'll

942
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,840
come back to this. We'll be right back and we're back.

943
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,599
Speaker 4: I gonna what I was gonna throw into there is

944
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,559
like I actually thought Sofia was just gonna tell her like, yeah,

945
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,280
I fucking kill your parents, like like this is the

946
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,360
reality of this world, and like it would be like

947
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,400
a big like school of Hard Knocks type lesson that

948
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,360
she's gonna be teaching her and like, you know, you gotta.

949
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Survive like in this type of world.

950
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: And then I don't know, I don't really know any

951
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,639
of these characters comic book why, so I'm like, maybe

952
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:03,239
this is some like comic book character that's gonna evolve

953
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:04,079
it is.

954
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,679
Speaker 2: You never know, Tali y'all Ghoul, Yeah, it's something like that.

955
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: Who knows, But no, I just just talking about the

956
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,480
scene overall. I complete agree, And so I think you

957
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,119
already said it. Just like the performance of Sophia here

958
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,760
is just like I mean, throughout the whole show, she's

959
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,400
just been so fantastic. Yeah, we're seeing some just great

960
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,599
range throughout the whole show. And uh in this particular

961
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:31,239
scene because like I just think up until now, she's

962
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,440
just like maxed out on confidence of like being this leader.

963
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,360
She's a jagonte now right, Like she's she's got her

964
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,599
own name. So I think I was surprised that she

965
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,119
was kind of on the back foot when she has

966
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,440
the panic attack when she's leaving the area there, and uh.

967
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

968
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,039
Speaker 4: I I I like what I'm like what I'm seeing

969
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,000
because of the performance and everything, but I am very

970
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,199
curious as to how they're gonna round out this character Sofia,

971
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,119
because I don't know, she's not gonna make it pass

972
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:03,280
like the show. I wouldn't think so. So yeah, I

973
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,280
hope I'm satisfied at the end.

974
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on jun Rush before I throw Taylor.

975
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,159
Speaker 2: I fucking hate this guy.

976
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: I feel like I was like, I don't know, unsure

977
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,000
about him, but like the more I get Him'm like,

978
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,599
this guy's just so fucking weird.

979
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. And like now, like you already mentioned, like.

980
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 4: He's just gonna be the therapist to Oz his mom

981
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,800
for for this last moment.

982
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe there'll be some crazy revelation type.

983
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: I hope it just results in something, you know.

984
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know.

985
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,079
Speaker 4: I just he's a weirdo, very just obsessed with Sophia

986
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:36,199
and not a big fan.

987
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor thoughts on Rush, Sophia all this stuff.

988
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,119
Speaker 5: I I like how Rush has proven his usefulness here

989
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,480
aside from just being like a sex toy.

990
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,119
Speaker 3: I think he's but when.

991
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 4: He walks into the kitchen, I'm like, oh my god,

992
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,679
this guy's just like where it's just like taking off.

993
00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:02,159
Speaker 1: His but I'm I'm, I'm ready whenever you are.

994
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just great.

995
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: It was cool to see him get used on different

996
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:08,920
levels here when it came to Oz's mom and it

997
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,320
came to actually Sophia just having this panic attack. But

998
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,840
I like the idea of her just kind of realizing

999
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,039
like shit, I'm I'm just I'm doing the same thing

1000
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:19,199
as my father did. And it was this defeating the

1001
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,119
purpose of why I want to make a change. I

1002
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:25,760
want to do and run this city as a criminal

1003
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,039
and just running this crime family, but I don't want

1004
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,000
to be doing.

1005
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: It the same way my father was doing it. And

1006
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,360
so that's the big.

1007
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,119
Speaker 5: Difference here than the key takeaway that I had, because

1008
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,519
since she realized, like shit, like I'm just I'm playing

1009
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:39,519
by my father's rules. I'm doing the same thing that

1010
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:43,320
this old hierarchy was all about. And I like that

1011
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,880
when she changes the dynamic because Oz is telling her

1012
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,599
I know what she thinks. She wants to hear what

1013
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,880
she thinks she knows. Yeahda, YadA, YadA. It's like, no,

1014
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,840
I don't give a fuck about the drops that you

1015
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,280
have in your little lab because I know it's a trap.

1016
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: YadA yeadas.

1017
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 5: So she baits him and lures him and plays his

1018
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:03,480
weeknd us against him. So yeah, I think she She

1019
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:04,960
was pretty awesome in this episode.

1020
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:13,119
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, Okay, Julian, you think, uh, he's gonna make

1021
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,239
it not all Yeah, No, he's a dead man.

1022
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: He's got I think Sophia could even kill him.

1023
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: I think her or vic Vic might get him.

1024
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: I do you think the BIG's hero kill is gonna

1025
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,559
be like Julian, It's gonna be ozver Sophie and then

1026
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,199
Julian Rush versus Victor.

1027
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 5: I could see Rush in the chair tied up, and

1028
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,880
then someone will walk in the room like an Oz to.

1029
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: Fuh yeah, come the fuck out of here.

1030
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,679
Speaker 1: Uh and then yeah, this is another moment that I

1031
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,440
did not like we're okay. So he calls her, let's

1032
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,280
make a swap the bliss for my mom. Of course,

1033
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,199
as we talked about before, he has a trap set

1034
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,199
for Sophia. Sophia sends a car. They do this shot

1035
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,400
where it's just close up on her. She phones Oz.

1036
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,119
He picks up the conversation. I don't know what you guys,

1037
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:04,280
I could tell completely, Like right when she picked up

1038
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,400
that when she was talking like she's on that fucking car,

1039
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:10,000
like yeah, it's like we know what they're doing. We've

1040
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,800
been there before. It's like, no, I know what you're doing. Uh,

1041
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,760
she's just I don't know. She's talking about stuff where

1042
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,199
he'ss like, oh, uh, you know, I want to do

1043
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,679
stuff that my dad does. Like she's she's pretty much

1044
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,480
the same conversation she had with Julian. She's kind of

1045
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:27,079
having it to Oz in like a more sinister sort

1046
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,000
of way about making him pay and all this stuff. Uh,

1047
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,159
the car, the driver jumps out, just books it out

1048
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,920
of there, goes the trunk.

1049
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,519
Speaker 3: And she's the first red flag.

1050
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: Like, but Oz goes the trunk because he's like, oh,

1051
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:44,079
I left you a little something in there. So we're

1052
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,760
kind of all assuming, Okay, what happened to Alberto you

1053
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,519
know at the premiere, that's what's gonna happen now, is

1054
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,320
he's gonna find his mom, and I prefer that to happen. Also,

1055
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,480
don't know what happens next week, so we will see.

1056
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,199
But for me, I was very let down by oh,

1057
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,679
it's a bomb. You got twenty seconds. If you back

1058
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,519
fast enough, you might get ad there. I was fine

1059
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:06,920
with Oz leaving his soldiers because like, that's an Awnes move,

1060
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,320
you know, and I like the you know, the symmetry

1061
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,679
of Okay, he goes back full circle to where his

1062
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,119
brothers died to hide. Right, Okay, cool. But my two

1063
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,760
problems was Sofia felt very doctor Evil James Bond of like, so,

1064
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,360
so here's the thing, so tell me if she's a

1065
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,119
fucking eightioter or not. Her plan is okay, I got

1066
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,480
Ozz's mom, right, We're gonna take her to Monroe, this

1067
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,119
club where they danced and whatever. We're gonna go there.

1068
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,199
We're gonna blow up the Bliss Factory, which I was

1069
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,679
surprised because I thought I was gonna make it to

1070
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,920
the Batman two. Who knows. Now, I don't even know

1071
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,159
if it's gonna but okay, So what I'm gonna do is,

1072
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:41,719
I'm gonna go. We're gonna get Oz's mom, we're gonna

1073
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,559
bring to the club. We're gonna sit there, right, and

1074
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,119
then we're gonna send a car. We're gonna blow up

1075
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,480
OZ factory, and he's gonna come meet us there. And

1076
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,280
then let's say she makes a call, she does that,

1077
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,079
and then Julian Rush walks in and she's like, oh, what

1078
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,480
is it, kink baby? And then Julian Rush is oh

1079
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:56,679
Oz died in the explosion. So she's just sitting there

1080
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,840
at the club with Julian Rush and her mom because

1081
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,519
the whole setup is to do, like, you know, kill

1082
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,280
her in front of all, like you know that sort

1083
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,079
of stuff. Right, So if this is because she's like,

1084
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,199
I hope you gotta you know, you got enough time,

1085
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:08,920
you should be able to get out of there. What

1086
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,360
if Oz just fucking dies? What if he just blows

1087
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,920
up and dies And now she's just sitting there like

1088
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,800
an idiot with Oz's mom like, oh, I guess I'm

1089
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,039
just gonna have to shoot her now. Like that's where

1090
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,440
it's feel like, I don't think i'd have to think

1091
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,440
back on the Batman. There's probably some stuff, but I

1092
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,079
feel like there's nothing that's so vertally in this show

1093
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:29,159
or the Batman that feels like that, where it's like

1094
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,159
a mustache. Oh, I got this evil plan that has

1095
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:34,559
to go x Y and Z. I know that's the Riddler.

1096
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:37,760
I know like he's put but to me, that's years

1097
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,119
of planning the Riddler. He's locked up in a little basement.

1098
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:42,639
Sofia thought up this plan on the day, and her

1099
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,280
plan was let's Shy drive a bomb into oz and

1100
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,280
saying like what if he fucking tripped? What if you

1101
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,760
trip while he's running and just explodes. So that's where

1102
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,280
for me took me out of it. And my last point,

1103
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,960
where this has been a debate the past few weeks,

1104
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,320
more and more I see coming up. I did not

1105
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,599
have a problem with it. This is the first time

1106
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,199
where I better are gonna mentioned next week this This

1107
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,639
city just went through a you know, big tsunami, all

1108
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:07,519
this stuff flooding. We had like a mini explosion earthquake

1109
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,519
that took out a bunch of blocks. The cement was

1110
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,360
folding within itself. If we don't hear that any mention

1111
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,800
of the Batman or anything I hope at least in

1112
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,280
the Batman they mentioned something because this is to the

1113
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,960
point now, the crime mob stuff. I could see Bruce

1114
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,840
to Badvan being like, I got bigger fish to fry.

1115
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,679
There's like a whole bomb that just went off and

1116
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,000
the city got rocked again, and they just showed him

1117
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,159
the last movie he was there helping out when they

1118
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,599
had like a city crisis. Right. So I'm not saying

1119
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,719
that Passon has to be in the show, but that

1120
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,679
now is the point We're like, yeah, where is Batman now?

1121
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,119
Like they better make the OZ finale happen like right

1122
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:44,239
after and then they pick up and like, okay, he

1123
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,239
did come investigat because I feel like that's a little

1124
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,039
too We're getting too big scale there. But Taylor, what

1125
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,280
do you think about the bomb decoy? Did you think

1126
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,159
it was gonna be his mom? Do you where are

1127
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:55,679
you on the whole Batman thing? Do you think is

1128
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,239
now it's a little suspicious that the cities are gonna

1129
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,000
rocks and Batman's not around where your thoughts? And souff?

1130
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that, Okay, expectations are being subverted again

1131
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,519
because when that vehicle came out and that driver just

1132
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:08,239
duped out of there.

1133
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, it's a bomb for sure.

1134
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 5: It caught me off guard because when Oz walks around

1135
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,400
the back, the music changes and you just see like

1136
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,519
the kind of hair whatever, the clothing. I thought, oh shit, no,

1137
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:24,000
it's actually the bomb and she's dead. They're really going

1138
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,920
that route. Okay, I No, she throws the blanket back

1139
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,079
and it's actually the bomb. It's like, okay, yeah, I

1140
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:30,599
like how they kind of played with us. You just

1141
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:31,880
don't really know.

1142
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: So that was good.

1143
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 5: The bomb blowing up, and yeah, him just deaking out

1144
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,440
of there, going into the same place that the same

1145
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,840
hole that was his salvation which is actually his brother's

1146
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:49,320
death grave, which was crazy to think about. But him

1147
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:56,440
leaving his whole crew to die, and himating the whole

1148
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,559
fucking rounds.

1149
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: It's your turned hine and seek.

1150
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 5: The whole block just blowing up from underneath itself and collapsing.

1151
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:11,320
It's just absolutely chaos. And yeah, what.

1152
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: Is Batman doing.

1153
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,159
Speaker 5: He's just he's just watching this on the news.

1154
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: Uh, just taking it easy.

1155
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 5: So, I mean, the only thing I can hag ken

1156
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,880
of myself is that he's recovering from fighting.

1157
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: The Riddler in that.

1158
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 5: Remember racks up above, and he had to shoot himself

1159
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,679
with adrenaline and he got shot with like fucking shotgun.

1160
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,000
It's saw a shotguny in his chest and all that.

1161
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:34,760
So he's just bruised and banged.

1162
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Remember a few weeks when we talked about that. We

1163
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,280
don't know if this is weeks after, months after, If

1164
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,400
it's months after, it's like, Okay, this guy's batman, Like

1165
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,079
now I feel like he should be out there now,

1166
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,239
you know, like how much recovery does he need? What

1167
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,039
else he doing?

1168
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 5: You know that's true, and he's probably I, uh, well,

1169
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,119
just on vacation looking for Selena.

1170
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking for Selena.

1171
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: Where your thought's kirkluh?

1172
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1173
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 4: I was really shocked when the whole fucking city block

1174
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,880
just fell down because I kind of just forgot that

1175
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,960
they were like right below the like the city just

1176
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,639
in the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle tunnels and yeah, like

1177
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,280
I I don't know, it's just the scale up until

1178
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,719
that point never felt like that large. Like I was

1179
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,840
almost expecting like another flood to commence after that whole

1180
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,679
like thing dropped. It's like, man, this could bring down

1181
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,360
like buildings, like the amount of just devastation that this

1182
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,679
explosion is having on the infrastructure here.

1183
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, I I don't know.

1184
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm like you, Travis, Like as soon as

1185
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,760
she was like on the phone and it was just

1186
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,000
like different lighting, I'm like, Oh, no, she's not in there,

1187
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:42,440
she's If she's in there, it's like they're gonna light

1188
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:44,280
up Oz right here with like a machine gun. Like

1189
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,360
I feel like that's how the scene's gonna go. But

1190
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,239
then she just like keeps talking and I'm like, oh,

1191
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,199
she's not in there, there's no issues in there. And

1192
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,719
then yeah, you got long legs run out the driver

1193
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,559
door just just runs out of there, and I don't know,

1194
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,280
didn't you say that they locked the door though, like

1195
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,599
behind the car, Like where did that person too? So

1196
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:03,039
they're just like hiding in the tunnels like.

1197
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,679
Speaker 1: Way die they die?

1198
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: And I was a little.

1199
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 4: Thrown off too, because, uh, what does Oz see that

1200
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,920
like brings them to tears?

1201
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: I think it was the mom at first.

1202
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: And then that's that's what it is.

1203
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: Oh you just thought it was the mom?

1204
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,079
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think he just thought just appear. Oh man,

1205
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:21,800
my mom's laying here dead, you.

1206
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: Know, Okay, yeah, because because that happened and then we

1207
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,440
see the mom, and I'm like, was that Vic?

1208
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: Like did they really just fucking kill Vic off?

1209
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 4: Like off screen we don't even see his face, Like really,

1210
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,800
I guess I could have went back and rewatched it,

1211
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,960
but I wanted to.

1212
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: Ask you guys, so I saved it?

1213
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't really think too much of it, like

1214
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:44,159
at the time, but now that you mentioned of, like, like,

1215
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,119
everything had it go well for this to for this

1216
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:51,039
to be satisfying for Sophia, right, She's like, I think

1217
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:52,760
I left enough time for you to run out.

1218
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: She's like oops, like maybe not.

1219
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 4: Okay, Well if you just fucking killed them there, like

1220
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,079
your whole plan is pretty pretty out the window, and

1221
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:01,960
now you're just stuck with his mom with dementia.

1222
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was, uh, didn't the.

1223
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Road trip of those three? You know?

1224
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, like I didn't really think about it, but definitely, Uh,

1225
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,519
I don't know when you shine light on it, it's

1226
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,159
doesn't make the most sense.

1227
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,639
Speaker 1: No, but it's a classic the bad guy needs to

1228
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,239
see the villain punished in person because you could literally

1229
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,599
just killed her, put it in the killed her, you

1230
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,760
gotta killed her, put it in a drunk also the

1231
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,519
bomb there and then like oh, you know. May Chris

1232
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,440
was like, that's it. Two birds, one stone. You take

1233
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,079
out the bliss, you kill him, you make him have

1234
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,159
some pain. You can even FaceTime be like, hey, I'm

1235
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:38,840
not gonna talk to you to your FaceTime me. You

1236
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,679
literally could be you could say that's part of the deal,

1237
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,559
right you say, I'm not gonna So then she could

1238
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:46,079
see his reaction, like that's the bad thing with technology.

1239
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,599
She could see his reaction to his mom being dead

1240
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,679
and then blow him up. Done, She's she's done it all.

1241
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 4: She's done it all faces just like he's got the

1242
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,039
old Dexter hair and everything.

1243
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, can it's kind of broken right now, I

1244
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,320
can't do that. And it's like a whole awkward, like

1245
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,320
scary movie scene, like no, no, just like it's their

1246
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,360
settings now and it hasn't worked since I got and

1247
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,159
I tried. They said, I gotta go in the shop. No no, no,

1248
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:12,480
you just gotta go like Bluetooth and everything. But uh yeah,

1249
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,760
so we'll see but that happens and then yeah, it's

1250
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,280
very similar to the end of The Batman Show, except

1251
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,679
of water. That time it's more dusty. Uh Oz walks

1252
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,679
as subway. It's a bunch of people and he sees, uh,

1253
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,320
a guy. I thinks, Victory, we alreadycover that. But then

1254
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,519
he sees a character looks familiar. We always saw this

1255
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,880
character thing once, maybe twice. I could be wrong. I

1256
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,280
think it's twice at least, but uh, it's a cop

1257
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,840
that was a drop heab addict and then he just

1258
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,400
just like says something like, oh if he's waiting for you,

1259
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,159
and then knocks all ows out and the same thing.

1260
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,599
It's like, I guess it feels like a very convoluid

1261
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:48,480
way to get Oz to me. But that's what's gonna happen,

1262
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,880
is awes. So I think there there's part of you

1263
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,480
that is right about Victor leading some sort of cavalry

1264
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,159
because like, I don't know how Oz is gonna get

1265
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,440
out of this, right because mother's dead. To right, they're

1266
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,079
going enemy location this, cops gonna have Oswalde all tied up.

1267
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,280
They should time that fucking chair again. On episode one

1268
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,199
that seemed to work, but.

1269
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 5: Well, he's been a reoccurring thing, right, Like Oz is

1270
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:15,440
tied up at the funeral and Victor came in there

1271
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,039
or was It wasn't the funeral, it was somewhere somewhere

1272
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,880
around there, and then Oz is tied up again with

1273
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:26,079
the falcons, and then Oz pops in or drives.

1274
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: In handcuffs and everything. So he's getting these situations where

1275
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,280
he can't wake up.

1276
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 4: Next to Julian Rush, like the first time he's tied

1277
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,599
up on the chair, Yeah, he's like.

1278
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,719
Speaker 1: What's the You're gonna punish me? Like, oh no, I'm

1279
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,599
not gonna punish it. And then just opens the door to

1280
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,880
rock hard Julian Rush and he just gives them therapy

1281
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,880
though he doesn't do anything sex wise. They just he

1282
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,920
has that red light. But uh yeah, any like I said,

1283
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,719
I think Tay is right where I could even see

1284
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:54,079
something where maybe Victor comes with the Calvary saves him.

1285
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:57,599
Maybe Victor actually shoots his mom or something. I don't know. Again,

1286
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,960
I could see it just be that his mom does

1287
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,000
and Penguin takes us in net justification of all you

1288
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,079
fucked up because you didn't watch her, Like he could

1289
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:06,639
be like, oh, none, this would happen if he would

1290
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:08,920
have been paying attention like you, like right when the

1291
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:12,840
the dust is settled. I guaran they could even go

1292
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,679
all the way back. I don't know if I'm gonna

1293
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,400
do a Tress told you, but something like they're bearing

1294
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,800
a body, or at that first episode when they're digging

1295
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,840
it and Penguin got up top, was gonna shoot aways,

1296
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,679
Oh look at the sunset, you know, turn around, and

1297
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:26,719
he didn't shoot them. I could see them being back

1298
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,599
in a very same grave bearing someone else, and his

1299
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,280
mom's even bearing his mom legitimly and talking about like, well,

1300
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,400
you know this would have all happened and you would

1301
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,519
just fucking paid attention and boom gone. You know, like

1302
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,920
that's a lesson to him. He kind of will see.

1303
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,199
But that's my prediction is at least saved by Victor.

1304
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:48,039
Mom doesn't make it. He blames Victor. Fingers crossed that

1305
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,840
Sophia does make it, but I don't. I think she's

1306
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,159
a goner now because with this whole speech of not

1307
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:55,760
wanting to be like her father, I would feel weird

1308
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,159
she makes up speech and then goes back to like

1309
00:58:57,199 --> 00:58:59,280
the Batman two, just being like another crime boss. So

1310
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,039
I think Sophia will lah make this guy pay now. Swayne,

1311
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,599
he's a fucking little asshole to me in kindergarten and

1312
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:10,360
I want to see him in pain. But yeah, I

1313
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,519
think she's gonna eat it next week. So those are

1314
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:17,400
my final predictions. Final predictions for you guys.

1315
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,639
Speaker 2: I think someone will kill her, do it. They will

1316
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:22,039
do it.

1317
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she'll die too, Oz Mom, Victor, Julian.

1318
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: Julie Macon. I hope he makes it.

1319
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,719
Speaker 4: He's like, I am the leader, the gigante is now.

1320
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: We got married, got married.

1321
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: Before we came over here. Yeah, Oz, your mom was

1322
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,320
the witness.

1323
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,159
Speaker 4: A lot of death, but mister Peg will be the

1324
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:49,480
one at the top of the castle. But it would

1325
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:51,000
make sense that his mom dies, you know, it's like

1326
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,559
the cost of everything here. He is the top of

1327
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:56,320
the pyramid, but he's all alone.

1328
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:59,239
Speaker 1: And he started this right because like as much as

1329
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,320
not that I'm saying reading from now, I'm not now

1330
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,480
because of all the stuff we saw with his brothers,

1331
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,800
they've made him to me firmly in the villain category.

1332
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,239
But he didn't I have to kill Berto, right, Like,

1333
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,639
like he didn't have to make that money, that money grab.

1334
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,719
So like that's the chain of events. Has he killed

1335
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:18,000
Alberto or Alberto and well that cost him his mom, right,

1336
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,239
So it's just like that's it's a full sort of

1337
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:25,199
exactly Taylor last minute obviously, So Finally, your final answer

1338
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:28,519
is Victor is making out a live this this would

1339
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,920
you even accept that he could die by not the

1340
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,119
hands of oz yep? Okay, So it's just you just

1341
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,719
think for sure if he's either live or if he dies,

1342
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,360
it ain't that's killing him. That's right. Oh. Finally, at

1343
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,039
the very end of episode seven.

1344
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 5: I'll stand true with my Uh, yeah, I won't be

1345
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:48,239
Oz that kills him.

1346
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:51,599
Speaker 1: First opening seat in the next episode is just gonna pull?

1347
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,159
Do you idiot that my mom?

1348
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:55,719
Speaker 3: Now you reminded me, I didn't.

1349
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,239
Speaker 5: I did enjoy the fact that when sal was like

1350
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,840
he Oz and had Oza to riots throwing him around.

1351
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:06,119
Speaker 3: And Oz kept saying like, just don't hurt my mom.

1352
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:10,639
Don't hurt my mom. Uh, even though he like burned.

1353
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 5: His that's exactly like you have no say it. He's like,

1354
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,039
I'm trying, like, Sofia is gonna fuck you over? Uh?

1355
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:18,559
Like Sala, it's like you have no pull because you

1356
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,320
burnt his fucking son and wife alive. Like you got

1357
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,559
not a single fucking piece of ammunition in your gun

1358
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:26,039
right now?

1359
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:26,239
Speaker 1: Man.

1360
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,639
Speaker 3: Like two minutes later.

1361
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:30,119
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what I remember the most the smell.

1362
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I like, Like that guy saved him.

1363
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,760
I think this was the first time this years we

1364
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,800
got to see you that. Okay, we talked about like, oh,

1365
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,039
what's gonna what's gonna happen in oz is no more

1366
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,280
stories or webs to spin, And this was it where

1367
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,679
Sala's like like he did the pusher against Sophia, you know,

1368
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,280
don't hurt my family. Oh and then he did the

1369
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,960
aggressive like I fucking killed your family. All the things

1370
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,360
didn't really work on Sal, right because he's like, no, man,

1371
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,440
like this is poisoned. Well, like there's nothing that you

1372
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,519
can say it's gonna get Yeah. So but I.

1373
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,239
Speaker 5: Guess in closing predictions, Yeah, I think Sophia is gonna live.

1374
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,800
She's gonna go back to whatever prison she came from.

1375
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:18,199
Speaker 3: Uh arkham. Uh. I don't know what else do we

1376
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:18,760
have here?

1377
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: Give us the breakde now, Yeah, Sophia is she make

1378
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:24,599
it out?

1379
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1380
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: That's what I just said, okay, T Yeah, can you

1381
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,039
give us the full breakdown of W two K twenty

1382
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:35,079
four GM Mode Were the top five things you want

1383
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:36,199
to do in the season one?

1384
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,679
Speaker 5: Top five things you want to do in season one? Well,

1385
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:43,760
you need to you got characters that aren't necessarily like

1386
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,239
the greatest, but you want them to be making you money.

1387
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:47,719
They're popular, it is going to go down, but you

1388
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,559
want to make money. They're like the the in between,

1389
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:53,360
Like what do you call them promoters? I guess they're

1390
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,360
just talking to the crowds.

1391
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:54,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1392
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 5: You want to get fans. You want to get more

1393
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:58,760
like watchers, viewers and fans. So you need to set

1394
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,079
up rivalries. You need to have characters and you have

1395
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:05,320
to You have to build up certain rivalries.

1396
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 3: By having their matches up. And it doesn't always work.

1397
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: Because at one point I told you to listen up

1398
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,239
with the stream. He's literally he had it's all on

1399
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,480
this record. He had full mouth open, like ready for

1400
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:23,159
mister Rushes. He was. He was feeling it. That's enough point.

1401
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,320
So you got it there? So okay, so you think

1402
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,920
so sorry I didn't hear Sophia does or doesn't make it?

1403
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, she makes it. She's going to Arkham, She's going

1404
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:31,760
she's gonna pull out of.

1405
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: There, mister pulling out? Is mister Rush making it?

1406
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:38,239
Speaker 3: No, he's fucking done. He's dead.

1407
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: Okay, And is there any last minute? Do we do? We?

1408
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:45,480
I don't think we've seen a bat roer Bruce wayn

1409
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,280
do we see a bat signal? I'm gonna throw that

1410
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,880
out there. Do we see a bat signal?

1411
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,239
Speaker 5: I think we see a bat signal because the city

1412
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,679
is in hell and so far Batman's Batman's on good

1413
01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:58,719
terms with them because Batman was helping with the evac

1414
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,920
and was like helping with everything at the end there.

1415
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,039
So I think you'll see a bat signal and people

1416
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:07,280
will be like, like freaking out. That'd be super cool

1417
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,079
to get a shot of. Like Oz has done it

1418
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,400
and he's got his he's got his operations. Maybe he'll

1419
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,559
be like a time jump in the next episode near

1420
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,719
the end and then he like looks up and he's

1421
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,440
like talking to himself and then you see the bat

1422
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:22,519
signal up high and then he's gonna think like fuck

1423
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,119
and I got bigger fish to fry.

1424
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:27,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Batman's like, they're like where you been. He's like,

1425
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:29,079
I don't come if you don't put the signal out,

1426
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:29,960
like like I've.

1427
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 3: Been waiting on you guys never used it, so yeah.

1428
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: Well we lost in the flood, Like fuck Man, Like

1429
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,599
what if we're just waiting for it? You gave us

1430
01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:39,760
the signal oh right, I did. I'm sorry about that.

1431
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:43,519
Alfred shit went over to you don't worry. Uh, that'd

1432
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,679
be a low key awesome one to see. If we

1433
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:49,480
get Jim Gordon in this finale, that would be a

1434
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:51,920
super hype moment. I don't think, well, all the other

1435
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,159
cap that people are wanting is the you guys remember

1436
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,280
his name's Officer Martinez, and he's like he's he's like

1437
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,800
very he hates Batman in his hand, but when he's

1438
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,920
at the funeral he's like, hey, mister Wayne, like he's

1439
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,159
like he's like a big fani. Yeah, everybody's been wanting him.

1440
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:07,480
I don't know if we're gonna him, but I would

1441
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:11,159
like one more cop type character. Gordon also would be

1442
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:14,280
the mecca you can bring back on the surgeon captain guy.

1443
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:17,559
But like, if it's Martinez, that would be great. You

1444
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,679
could even I guess, bring that mayor elect in, but

1445
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,000
I Gordon would be I don't know why we've never

1446
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:24,000
even talked about Gordon being this. I thought that would

1447
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,559
be like actually an easy layup, like manages to clean

1448
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:28,360
up and just he's like, oh, I talked to the

1449
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,199
big guy about this, and you know, so, well, we'll

1450
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:34,960
see that'll be back, or we'll be back next week

1451
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,039
on Sunday, we'll be talking about this. That'll be the finale.

1452
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:40,960
Should be a good one. Hopefully it's a nice, juicy

1453
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:43,679
hour and I'm excited to talk about I think we

1454
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,599
got a lot of predictions, but how will they exactly go,

1455
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:49,599
We don't know. So we'll be back next week and

1456
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,840
I promise you it won't be warm, but