Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Penguin
Review series. I'm the clown Prince of Hyde Zeekh Tresnail,
I'm enjoyed by.
Speaker 2: I'm the Rainy Day kirkle Patzer.
Speaker 3: I am the oz of Wald Taylorfield.
Speaker 1: There you go. Quite the names going on here, but yes,
we are here to discuss the pin ultimate episode of Penguin,
episode seven, the Finale. Boys, we're here. The finale is
next week. It's coming to a close and no more
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twenty twenty six. It's gonna be a long wait, but
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But tons of fun. Again, thank you everybody, but we'll
shut up specific names and everything on the newscast as well,
because it's a big part. But uh, mister Passer, what
did you think of the penultimate episode for the Penguin
Top Hat is what it was called?
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, I really liked this episode.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a nice stormy weather episode in
the sense of just things are getting intense to be
rounding off the season here, like people are clashing and
I don't know, there's some some nice, satisfying moments that
have happened so far throughout the show, and I think
there's another episode that carried on with that and very
much looking forward to, uh to next episode, which is
basically the exact same way that I felt.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess every episode I felt that way.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and like last week it had like a
big cliffhanger, and I feel like this week have like
that also, but it's not like it's not like they're
carrying the same cliffhanger and just pushing it along to
next week, like it's like something else that's gonna be
you know, like uh, exciting.
Speaker 2: I guess, so, well, okay.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss.
Speaker 4: I guess I agree with you in some ways, but
it feels a little bit different maybe I don't know.
Maybe one way to say it is that like we
did have stuff like checked off the list in this episode.
I think there's some things going into next week that
we won't really need to be covering because it closed.
Speaker 2: It closed that chapter and with some of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, I think it was really really solid.
Speaker 2: Minor spoilers, there's like a nice flashback.
Speaker 4: Sequence that I thought was like really intense and just
pretty uh. I don't know, just just doesn't paint certain
characters in the right ways. But uh yeah, no, I
I thought, uh definitely, the performances of like characters in
those flashbacks was just like so impressive. Like yeah again,
minor spoilers, but someone does like little Oz, and I'm
just like, man like, this guy's just so good at
like the little I don't know, just mannerisms, the way
that he speaks and just his little one liners, like
he just he looks like, uh like our older Oz.
So shouts out to that actor and uh yeah, I
think it's.
Speaker 2: It's just such a great show.
Speaker 4: It's sad that it's coming to an end, but uh yeah,
I trust that they'll they'll impress with a nice finale.
Speaker 2: It won't be unsatisfying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need a little awe series, you know. I
don't know what he yet to, maybe just to make
up well without it spoiler seems like a little os
up to some bad stuff. But I'm like, I find
it's just a little hyjenks. But still, uh yeah. The
casting director whoever it is fantastic job, even for the
whatever it's myst was. It's a flashback of Oz and
his mom. Even though the actress that's playing his mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was actress. For a second. I'm like, damn,
like she's just the age somehow, But like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's one thing. From like top to bottom. Honestly,
the Batman has great castling penguin like everybody casting the
series in the Matt Reeves universe, you're doing a great job.
Just keep it up. Hopefully, hopefully great villains are coming
to Batmanton you get some more great casting. Look first
casting for I was passing right, and that starts off
a good hop. So I'm very excited for next week.
I do think this is the first time because I
was talking about this with Mike quickly and he said,
like another great episode and like, you know, another perfect season.
And I was feeling that way for the most part
until this episode. I'm not saying this show might not
be like you know show. Up to this point, the
show is definitely a ten for me. It still could
be depending on next week. My issue is with it
though it's not like the Sometimes I have the issues
where it's like, Okay, they present me this problem and
I got to see how they handle next week. There's
just too a few too many convenient things in this episode.
For me that happened, it just kind of felt like
it it brought me back into oh, we're on a
TV show because it got a little too small scale
for something that's big. I think there is something big
scale that also happened that I felt felt very like
comic Bookie, and not in a good way, like the
way this universe. I'm not saying that matter reason like comokes,
but he's you know, bringing them into reality in a sense.
This felt like very mustache toorally kind of moment. And
I do think the I thought we were going to
move forward a bit more on some stuff, but I
think the same cliffhanger we had last week is the
same cliffhanger this week. The situation's changed a little bit.
And there's also some issues I maybe have with Sophia's character,
which is odd because I felt like we were in
a very good place with her and I feel like
in this episode they kind of want to do a
detour and I just don't think unless and this is
a problem that could be fixed next week if she survives,
so they go my sports. She didn't die in this episode.
If she survives, maybe some certain things could happen. I go, Okay,
this will make sense, but to take a pivot and
then if we do say goodbye to her, whether it's
via Arkham or death next week, I'm kind of feel like,
why did we need to go this route? So I
have a few questions. Maybe we'll talk to them out,
but there are a few things that I'm just like
stern On of like, I didn't like how that went down.
Felt very easy. So yeah again and nothing not like
a big take, And I was like, oh man, big
shows like no, just a little weaker than the rest.
I would definitely have this one place last. But I
still think we're set to like a great thing. I
trust them to, you know, land the plane safely. On
this one, it wasn't like, oh man, I'm worried, just like, okay,
little Usually when I think this show, we've had just
nitpick so far. I think it's the first episode I
had like a couple issues. But maybe once we talk
the ambout, maybe they won't be as much issues. We'll
see them always. I'm always willing to change my mind,
you know, so we'll see. But uh, mister Fields, what
do you think of this episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah? This episode was fantastic.
Speaker 5: I really really liked it, and I thought, I thought,
we're gonna get something very different, but it just it
kind of undermined my expectations in.
Speaker 3: A really really good way.
Speaker 5: And I thought that we got a lot of really
cool stuff that kind of filled in the gaps a
little bit more, but it it moved the plot along,
and I'm just I'm on the edge of my seat
excited to see what next week is. I really with
the cliffhanger from last week, I really wasn't sure how
this is going to start. And that's why a big
part of the way that this episode started subverted my
expectations and in the good way. And so I'm really
really happy with where we're at with this episode. And yeah,
I'm just I'm really really.
Speaker 3: I'm shocked at a.
Speaker 5: Couple of things too that did happen, because I was
kind of like laughing, but it was just like, ah,
this is just so fucking crazy, and just yeah, Oz
is just he does some things that reminds you of
how much of a piece of shit he really is,
especially because it's the sequence of these scenes too, where.
Speaker 3: This isn't a.
Speaker 5: Spoiler, but oh he'll be like like Pat and a
guy on the back or like saying like praising some
people and then like something that something happens and it's like, wow,
he has a piece of shit, which I'll highlight it
and spoilers what exactly it.
Speaker 3: Is, because it's like, fuck, that's just brutal.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to ask you a specific question because I'm
I'm very curious on your a live meter on a
certain character after some revelations this week. But a live meter, yeah,
like we'll wait till spoilers don't.
Speaker 3: Okay, curious, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, well, lady Jane, we will be right
back in the spoilers. So if you've not seen the episode,
come back later, check it out. We'll be here and
then we'll be right back. And we are back, so
I said a live mirror, like I feel like the
past few weeks, I keep checking in on you with
your your Victor scale on if he is alive or
not by time the show ends, and I I don't know.
I just felt like once I saw that Penguin killed
his own two brothers, I was like, there's no way
Taylor can think that Victor is gonna make it out
of this. So because in my opinion, and this is
not really a native for me. I need to stew
on of it more. I don't think they and to
set up yet. They do a flashback. It's Penguin, his
two brothers and his mom. Uh, he wants to just
stay and hang with He's very I think we always
thought he was a mama's boy, but this really showed
how much he very much is a mama's boy. He
just wanted to stay and hang out with his mom,
you know. So they go down they're doing some shady
feelings and Mobster gives his brothers are fifty. They go
play hind and seek in the place where they've been
growing the bliss like offst years later, and then they
kind of put him in like an embarrassing situation where
he used to climb a ladder. Obviously he has the
gobbled foot, so that can't really go well for him.
They're kind of laughing at him, and then this jumps
to Penguin locking his brothers up in the wall our
central like like, I don't know whatever it is, something
water made or something like that.
Speaker 4: It's it was like a flood flood tunnel or something
like that. Yeah, it had like the classic like uh yeah,
like old tanker ship like seal door. So yeah, so
a good place to be trapped.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, and then he just kills them.
For me, I'm not this isn't a negative for me
because of a like I could buy Penguin would do that.
I think they could have maybe made his brother's maybe
a bit more assholes, like I don't know, like I
felt like he was very minor stuff, But this is
why I just thought, like that stuff I'm fine with.
I don't have a nipis, but this is why I
thought Taylor he killed there, his brother's over like some
very minor things. You still think our man Victor is
gonna get out alive after this.
Speaker 5: I think that Victor fits into a different kind of
card than certain other characters.
Speaker 1: Ah, you keep making reasons and excuses why. That's just
how I feel like when you send over his body,
when you see the.
Speaker 5: Like there's there's there's certain things here where Okay, yes,
there's there's certain things that young Oz does that makes sense,
and that kind of sticks with him because he's a liar,
and that just follows him into adulthood as he becomes
a gangster and the leader of his own crew. But
I think you also have to examine it as okay, well,
he's just he's just a kid, and he.
Speaker 3: Made a really really rare decision.
Speaker 5: And while he locked them in there, I don't think
he was planning on them getting killed. I think he
was expecting them to get out and find their way out,
but he didn't give a shit, and when they ended
up dying, I think he lives with that, and I
think it's it's it is heavy on him because he
doesn't like people talking about him or anything like that,
and so I think that there is that kind of
there is something on his conscious that about that on
what he did, and that sticks with him because that
was just a kid making a very emotional, rash decision
and it totally fucked up and it turned into something
very very bad. Whereas when you look at Victor, I think, okay,
well Oz is much older and he's done all this
different things, and so I think with Victor, I mean,
it could have gone very different in that situation, but
the way he had to handle it when Vic was
like I'm sorry, and he's like fuck your guilt, like
go out there, like let's get the army like and
he's like okay, and it's just a big ben unconscious.
Speaker 1: He's unconscious. No this whole episode though, you know once
at the base at the end.
Speaker 5: Because I would say you he definitely couldn't have rallied
them that fast, because I think the whole period between
Oz getting attacked by Sal in the apartment and then
going to their drops location they're like manufacturing point and
the sewers, I would say that was probably like a
half an hour to an hour. Now at the end
when I'd say you probably have like still the same
day a few more hours. But I think you're telling
Vic has to go to like the Triads and like
the four other gangs and just rally them together to
get an army.
Speaker 3: And so Oz knows that no Os just has his
his crew with him.
Speaker 5: But the thing that caught me up guard a little bit,
just but again it just reaffirms how much of a
piece of shit he really is is that he saw
that there was C four there and he just ran
when he saw it in the vehicle, he didn't tell anyone.
Speaker 3: And then you see the scene of the guy look
like what's.
Speaker 1: Going on after these men saved his life? Like I
just don't. I just love that you think Victor is
gonna make up and we get I just feel like
every time this show shows cobble pot or, I get sorry,
he's just caught up in the show shows them care
about someone, save someone You're with me. He turns on them, Sophia,
his brothers. These guys literally like could have just they
probably would still be alive if they just jumped ship
and went with sal and work for them, They'd probably
still be.
Speaker 3: Good, absolutely would be alive.
Speaker 1: Their dad, blown up bodies in the sewer, ear and everything.
So we got lots to talk about. But I when
we go back to Kirkland, did you think Oz meant
to Kill's brothers or not?
Speaker 4: I thought a lot of that was really interesting because
it seemed like a setup for like a serial killer
type like like psychopath type type like behavior of like
mental disorder, of just being like so attached to his mom,
and like, I feel like that's why I had some
issues actually, like with that flashback scene because to your point, Travis,
they don't really show the brothers being like assholes to him, like.
Speaker 1: A huge to like warrant death or even because you said, like, oh,
he just thought they get out. If they get out
and they tell his mom he locked us in the thing,
I feel like he'd lose all these brownie points with
his mom, who already is like kind of hard on him.
So that's my only pushback against oh, he thought they'd
get back, because I feel like the mom would be
fucking livid with Oz that. I'm like, you locked them
in like a water tunnel, you know.
Speaker 4: And I like, I think I was expecting him to
maybe be more concerned when the rain just kept coming,
because there's a couple of times when he looks outside,
he just keeps seeing rain, but he's just like, yeah, no,
that's fine.
Speaker 1: That's so full to like remind him, like, hey, that
could be your brothers right now.
Speaker 4: And like yeah, like that that scene makes it seem like, Okay,
this character has like no remorse for his brothers at all.
Like he clearly is like so cold hearted that like
he never even like you, never even wanted them around.
All he wants is just him and his mom. And
I think that that type of behavior hasn't really like
translated well to what we've already seen between the dynamic
between Cobb and uh.
Speaker 2: Like his mom.
Speaker 4: So I think there's just some disconnect there, and maybe
I was hoping for some more filling in the blanks,
like like like connecting those two of maybe just more
moments of I don't know, just showing that he's like
obsessed with his mom and like just like that level
of like attachment. Because even here when he's trying to
find like his mom, like like it doesn't seem like
he's losing his absolute mind over it, like like it
seems like it's aciet priority, but he's still like calm
and like collected of like managing his business. Where I
feel like the little boy that we see in the
early portions of the show is like a Norman Bates
level of like attachment to his mother and like I
would burn the whole fucking city like to get my
mom back. So like I don't know, and maybe I'm
just maybe like maybe that is what they were going for,
and I just didn't like see it that cleanly.
Speaker 1: But because even when they want to do the swap,
he still has men to like take out Sofia, so
he didn't even truly intend to just flat out, Kay,
I'm gonna we've gone too far. I'm gonna give you
the bliss, just give me my mom. He was doing
another trap again, so he was using his mom as bait,
you know. So but again, it's been lots of years
and she's sick now, right, She's kind of near the
end of his life, so maybe he looks at it's like, well, true,
it's only so much I can do for my mom,
you know.
Speaker 4: But I think I was just really surprised to get
that level of like cold heartedness towards his brothers and
then just no follow up with like he literally just
murdered them, and like no follow up at all of
like talking about that. Maybe that's something that would happen
next week, so maybe I'll hold off my I don't
know my my critiques about that, but I think that, like,
I think that also goes to the point of, like, maybe,
in hindsight, this would be my last, you know, to
rank all the episodes, like this might be the least
because it was the first time that I really was
seeing some like disconnect between I don't know, just the
storytelling around our characters. But yeah, to go back to
your question you asked me initially, I did not expect
him to kill his brothers and to just be fine
with it, like I thought it was gonna be something
that Okay, I just did it because I was pissed
off of my brothers. And then he realized that and
it like fucks him up for life, and he's like
really regretful for it, and he's just like, I don't know,
it's like a big traumatic experience, which is what it
should be, right, Like if he is actually just a
little boy that just was mad at his brothers and
he just like, oh, I'm gonna lock you in here,
not realizing that it would actually just kill them. And
I am hoping for some just follow up I think
next week, and if that doesn't happen, I'll I'll be
a little bit bummed.
Speaker 1: It's tough because I was really worried when Sophia was
talking about the kids, she's gonna be like, oh, and
she gave the names, like the mom Oz's mom gives
a few of the names like yeah, I know those
kids name they found him in a fucking you know,
Sue or what like. It's the tough thing, like if
they are down there and they just got flushed away,
I don't know, that's gonna be hard for it to
come back, right And Oz's mom doesn't think he had
anything to do with it. So even Julian Rush's like
psychoal analysis or whatever, what would cause that conversation to happen?
Right if for Oz be like, oh, and I killed
my brothers, like I don't, I don't. I actually don't
think we're gonna touch back to it next week because
there's so much and I just because I just don't
know how we can how we can jump there. But
some other points, christerh Evans, who' join us on that
trivia last night, says the episode did a great job
showing Oz rely piece of shit. Just in case we're
all feeling sympthy. Yeah, because again this episode starts and
this happens, I'm like, I don't really want this guy
to win, you know, because he's this is a terrible person.
And Mike says, I think he didn't tend to kill him,
but by time it became too late to say them,
he justified it to himself. I'm I'm fifty to fifty
on this to answer this question, because I could say
and even my fifty fifty. Okay, so if he didn't
intend to kill him, he locked him up, but when
he got home and he felt this lot, like this
life with his mom, just him and his mom. I
think he was fine with, oh, you know what, I'm
fine with killing them, like he could have the chance
to go back, saying he can go back later on
that night and let him out or something like that.
But I think he realized, you know what, this life's better.
So if he didn't intend to kill them, he did
later or because my thing is like Oz does that
where he comes off as very nonchalant and unknowing and
almost like, yeah, I'm gona lock him up and screw you.
But he's done that multiple times of shows where he
does that, but we know he's like bullshitting everybody and
he's actually serious and wanting to hurt someone or make
a move. So that's where I could see Oz in
his mind playing at non chalotte, oh you you know
you fucking make fun of me to screw you, and
he closes it, and he did just want to kill
him because he's just tired of like he didn't want
to leave his mom. He's tired of you know, I
could have used a little bit more, but tired of
his brothers. He wants to, you know, make a move
and be the only son. So I'm I'm fifty to fifty,
but my fifty to fifty is like either way. At
one point, I don't think he everyone was like, oh,
they're just gonna find their way out, because once he
saw that water, he knew it was up. And because
again that's the only thing is like, that's what takes
me away from him. The brothers would have come back
and told the mom. And that's where I think there's
a disc act for me of him knowing, oh, they
might find their way out and everything like that. But
who knows. Maybe we'll touch upon next week, maybe we won't.
But I think that did a good job of showing
okay again, Penguin bad guy. But so we get that.
He goes back to the apartment, he finds Victor, Victor's knockdown,
conscious tells Victor to go round up the troops. I
guess we talk about Victor down because he's there. I
don't think he's just rounding up the troops. I think
there's something more at play here because I don't know,
just because it's just for them to have that moment
where Oz sees a guy and he's like, oh Victor,
and it's not him to throw that out at the end.
I just felt like it was then reminding of us, Hey,
Victor's not here, and you could be right here that
he's just recruiting them. But I just feel like we
would have gotten scenes of that, especially because it was
a short episode. I just like we could have got
some scenes and of him talking to try like, I
don't know, I guess what the big thing is, what
Oz is a gunpoint is so Fia next week and
Vic during a bunch of his people show up, Like,
I just don't see that happening. So it just felt
all that we got no scenes of Victor other than
that one, and at the end they made a mention
of it. But Tato, you just think he's you just
think he's recruiting right now, right nothing else.
Speaker 3: I think he's recruiting right now.
Speaker 5: I'm I think you're you're right in saying like there
could be something else going on. I'm just gonna pay
mine to it, being that he just suffered from this
explosion and he's walking around and fucking Gotham just floods
and bombs under the ground, just getting fucked up everywhere.
So he's just in the chaos, like his ears just popped.
He's thinking he's seeing people he knows, and he thought
it was his mom that was dead there like five
minutes ago. Like just he's not very press right now
at the time, and he he stumbled into the cop
and the cop is like, hey, Sophia, want to see
it just knocks him out.
Speaker 3: So he's not he's not very.
Speaker 5: Ah yeah, coherent when he thought that was vic.
Speaker 1: Mm Mike, this is a hot take, and I don't
agree with that. He says, I think the mom knows
he killed him and she choose lie to herself about it.
I don't think that. I think that's I think that
the uh I don't know if the mom would uh
still love Oz that way. I can't. I can't get
on that bandwagon. Do you guys think that could be
possible that she's just lying herself she knows hostile him
out the night.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's possible.
Speaker 4: I think it would also like add to her own
like mental illness of like her just obsession with like Okay, ohs,
you have to take care of me, like you're like
you gotta be running the show. If you're making all
these moves, it's got to lead to something. Maybe that's
like just a lie that she's telling herself, But yeah,
I still think that she would want to tell herself
that's not real. So maybe she just formulates, you know,
a manufactured situation in our the Fleck type thing.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, yeah, he's not the penguin, Taylor. Any
chance Ji Jannis is the penguin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting thought, And I mean, if it happens,
I wouldn't actually be surprised. I I part of me
wants to say I could see that being the case,
but I don't think so. I think at the end
of the day, the.
Speaker 3: Next episode, we're gonna have Oz and her be.
Speaker 5: Confronted with each other and he's gonna let her know
and it's gonna be fucking brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that could be how they tied together if
she goes all always new. So I could be completely wrong.
I just feel like that's if that happens, I really
need to rethink about these characters and where they have
in this past little show. But uh, Kirka, where are
you in Victor? I think something's up with them Kirkle.
Taylor thinks he's just a recruiting What is the deal
with Victor in this episode.
Speaker 4: I'm a little unsure on where I would put my
chips on Victor right now, because I don't know. I
am definitely in the camp that he's not gonna last
beyond this this show. So because I'm under that, you know,
that vein of thinking, I think there is quite likely.
Speaker 2: Something that is suscery going on.
Speaker 4: But thinking about like everything that he's done throughout the show,
it doesn't really like all make sense to me, like
why he would not be loyal to Oz. I feel
like he like very likely could just be rounding the troops.
And because this is the penultimate, like let's just say
Vic for the finale, because we're gonna kill him off anyways,
let's just save all that stuff in the finale. I
could very much see it being that, just like quite
likely being the case. So I think if I if
I had to choose, like that is the case, like
it's okay, No, he's just he's just rallying everyone because
we didn't see everyone that he went to get right
like he was supposed to get Joo, a couple of
the other guys. I can't remember all the factions that
he's he's going after it but anyways, Yeah, there's people
that that he could be looking for that would definitely
keep him busy here, but very well likely could be
something suss and.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was intrigued by the quick, little like face to
face that him and Oz have together because he does,
you know, show some like oh, I'm sorry. And that's
kind of what we were theorizing earlier on in the
in the season, right of, like, oh, could this be
the reason why Oz just snaps and eventually kills him
because he is the direct reason.
Speaker 2: Why his mom dies.
Speaker 4: And you know how I was already kind of laying
out just like the early flashbacks it shows how Cesti's
with his mom, like that would very much likely be
a reason for him to kill him, and he already
brought up like he already killed his brothers, like why
would he not kill this guy?
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's kind of my thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they surprised, like you said that he was
that was an issue is just go out there and
get stuff done. He wasn't mad at him yet, but again,
maybe if that results in the mother, if his mother dies,
that could result in Oz changing his mind on that
feeling had on Victor, like wouldn't that be heartbreaking? Comes back,
saves him, you know, you know, Oz's mom dies. So
at the end of the day, they've took out Sophia,
Sal's gone, they got the drugs, everything's going on, and
then they're sitting together. But then they have to He's
gonna kill Victor because like, well, at the end of
the day, you let my mom down, so I gotta
kill you. I don't know, it's gonna be interesting next
week to see which way they go. But Penguin goes there,
sends Victor off. I find this is where like, this
isn't a big nitpick for me, but I found it
very odd that so the events is, uh, you know,
the mom's Oz is my boy, that's happening, right, And
then Sofia shows up, clocks them, takes her gone for
you know, a few hours. Penguin shows up, gets the apartment,
finds vic mom's gone. Then right after Salvatory, Maroney and
his guys come up beat them up. It feels very,
I don't know, just kind of clunky to me. There's
a few things in this episode that feel clunky, like
this is something I really didn't like. There's nothing for me,
I can justify it where Okay, they get south, that's fine.
That Sal beat up on him, right, he killed his
wife and kids. He's a motherfucker, and I gotta make
you pay right. And then the next thing we see
those two believe there might be some other stuff in
the middle. It's just Sala like punching them or just
saying stuffing, right. But the next thing we see is
them down in the sewers or whatever the subways. And
I just found it very odd that it's like one
guy gets shot and then I got the ak for
some like he tells the guys like keep working, like
keep working, he like walks. They felt like NPC characters,
like is playing Hitman today, And it felt that where
he's like this, hold steady. He walks to a K
fourty seven shoots him Sal, and like two guys walk
up and they're like, we're taking over. And I just thought, like, Okay,
Sal does not know what's down there. The fact that
Sophia is just like, I don't know, having a midlife
crisis while this is going on, is not like with salth.
At the same time, that felt very odd. I thought
she would want to be completely with him. Or doing
other stuff. But that's where for me very clunky. The
whole Penglin and kidnapped, and then for me it was
clunky of they get down there with a few guys,
Penguin and Sal fight in the subway, which we'll talk about,
and then you know, Penguin gets that equation and then
he gets out and just all his men are standing
around and Ping's like, you did a lot of good
things here today. So it's just like, did Sal bring
two guys? But yeah, that's it, we're taking it. Just
this is where it felt like a TV show of
we don't have a budget to have Salvatur with a
bunch of guys. But it just felt odd of that
this confrontation was over so quickly. All around, I've literally
no issues what they do with Sal. I thought that
was kind of funny. It makes sense like if he
didn't watch him and Ping were fighting at a subway
station or subway train, Sal just has a heart attack
from all the straining his activity and dies. And I
love that Penguins such a piece of shit that he
say oh no, And I'm like, oh, is he showing
like some sort of remorse because Sal's died, like he
wanted to make work with them. No, it's just because
he wants to be able to tell sal that he
beat him, like he doesn't want him to die without
him knowing. He gets a little lines, he walks away,
and they keeps saying, yeah, I fucking beat you. You
couldn't do it. Like he's dead, He's he's gone.
Speaker 3: I'm shooting him after he's dead.
Speaker 1: He's such like a sohere winner. But so I was
fine with all that. Salm ping was back and forth.
We're all good there of him talking about his burnt
kid and you want to work for see it for you.
But the whole takeover it felt very It felt like
it was supposed to be this big deal and then
these kind of just scrub guys just easily beat Salvator's guys.
Penguin beat Salvator and it was nothing that was it.
So that's where it felt like Salimore sALS, I'm just
gonna say, H'm sal because I'm fucking out. The fatigue
getting to me, saus build up to the ending I
finally being the heart attack, But the actual takeover here
I felt was very anti climactic for me. I'm not
sure what you guys, thought about the ending of Sal
and kidnapping all this stuff in the Bliss Factory.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I don't know. I didn't mind it as
a whole. I feel like, yeah, like the parishine of Sal,
that was kind of funny and like it.
Speaker 2: It is pretty lucky.
Speaker 4: I guess how it happens when Penguin is just like
hand in hand combating Sal, like in the train or whatever,
like whatever location he's he's uh his final resting places.
I did think, like this doesn't really make like I
feel like Sal would have like a lot more guys
here if like this is like the hostile takeover, like
because for all they know, like if they're take if
they're going to Oz's like main area, he could have
like a full army, which is basically what he does have, right,
So I I don't know, I am somewhat with.
Speaker 2: You there, Like that kind of seemed easy.
Speaker 4: And then when he just like has a heart Like
I don't have a problem with the heart attack. I
I liked that it was able to kind of shinel
light more on Oz's behavior of like just showcasing more
of the character, like he's such a sore winner, like
you said, like he has to be able to shoot
this guy look him in the eyes, like I won.
I did like seeing all that thinking about Venison or
his poor family, So I did like all that stuff.
But yeah, I'm completely in agreeance to like a lot
of the characters that were in that scene. We're just
totally NPCs, Like they just look so like airheady and
like not really reactive to what's going on. But yeah,
so not the perfect execution I think on that big takeover,
because I.
Speaker 2: Thought it was gonna be so much more intense.
Speaker 4: This was also an episode that I feel like, more
than more than any other episode in the past, I
was like, man, maybe Oz isn't gonna make out of
the show, like like like I don't know, I just
feel like he's really setting up a lot of things that.
Speaker 2: You can't really go back from here. But I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's it's more and more looking like he's just gonna
be the victor of the seasons. But I still think
they'll do a good job at making the like audience
see this guy as a villain so that the next
time we see him, you know, we're not like just
rooting for him, like oh yeah, you can bet Batman,
Like he is still a bad guy, and yeah, just
with like the flashback stuff, it's like he's kind of
always been a sour grape and hasn't really gotten much better,
just a little bit more dangerous as he's gotten older.
Speaker 1: Well you too, What do you think about the takeover
in Sal's demise here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was not expecting the heart attack. That really
caught me off guard, but again subverted my expectations. So
I think it was great because it just really delivered
on adding so much more depth to Oz as a
character and just how shitty he is and his actions
and decisions. So I thought it was really really great,
and with him, with Sal gone, it's just now back
to being a one v one. I can see maybe
some people are like, well, then there's no point in
Sal being alive from the start like two episodes ago
yet Yeah, yeah, but I think it's I like this
way of just kind of keeping him alive and letting
him serve the benefit of being in.
Speaker 3: That particular place at that particular.
Speaker 5: Time, and allowing there to be more development with Oz
and other characters as well. But yeah, no, I think
Oz at this point still just yeah piece of shit, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think sal was gonna make it out
of the show, just because they put him in the
show and I could just see them sticking that. The
only reason I kind of was hoping he'd make it
out there because they left that thread about the whole
Wayns and Sal and that whole setup. And I like
Clancy Brown, so it's kind of hoping he might make
it in the movies and maybe Bruce Wayne or Batman
would have a scene similar way he had with Carmine,
but that's obviously not a possibility now because he is dead.
So there you go. And if you watch the just
the movies, you'll just think Sala's just still in prison
and everything. So that's why they kept it in contained
a little container. That's fine, but Alas, I'm a little
disappointed there. But you know, shout at Clancy Brown. I hope.
I love it that every couple of years he keeps
popping up in Geek for his projects, So I can't
wait to see what he pops into the next. Hopefully
won a GV movie, you know, because I'd love to
work with mister Clancy Brown. But again, great as usual,
great scenes here, but so yeah, he dies and then
I'm gonna I'm gonna dovetail the penguin thing for an
how we're gonna come back to because we got Sophia
and here was this is something where I need to
see more of and again if if she survives, I
think I'll be more okay with it. But she's having
kind of a conscious like a conscious crisis going on here.
She has to go see she's you know, she got
oz mom. She's talking to her. They're having the back
and forth, which I think was a great scene. The
first scene with Oz's mom was really really good. I think, God,
I can't remember her full name, but the actress that
play Sophia, she's doing a fantastic job and just kind
of seeing this character and just the way she reacts
to Oz's mom just being like so bullheaded and just
kind of like brave, like almost arrogant of like you
have like you are dead to rights. But his mom
does not give a shit. She's gonna call her out
and say he's gonna kill you. I'm gonna be danced
on your grave. Like she's very impressed by this, but
then she's kind of taken aback. When I'll see her
sickness hits Julian Rush, who of course will talk about
a little bit later. He's randomly back to give us
some exposition of all people I know, somebody that knows somebody,
and that girl and your family. The cops want to
talk to her. They said she've seen some things. This
is a problem pretty much in Situay, and he'll like,
I don't know, do something killer the bonemeizer, But no,
Sophia is gonna go talk to her. Very good touching
scene of her telling her, Hey, you know this sucks.
Your mom's dad, your dad's dead. But I guess well,
they're all bad people and you'll find yourself in a
family and then you'll be loved and this this is
all fine. She's a panic attack. I'm like this, it's
the next thing for me that I was. I need
to see what they do next week or even know.
She makes the batman of all of a sudden, she's
just having a panic attack. Julian Rush is talking her down.
She's talking about like this isn't the person she wants
to be, and which I just felt like we've spent
six episodes of this her wanting to be this person,
so it feels very odd for the penultimate for her
to be like, I might not want to do this,
and then when it's like, well, what do you want
to do and her revelation is just like oz hurt,
It's like, well, that's so she wanted to do. It's
the same thing. It's and that's her. It's just like,
don't do any of this like that. Her being Matt
like upset about the kid. Think that's great. That plays
and you can play it the whole. I'm just like
my dad, but the whole well, I want to do
something different, but it's just maybe we'll see next week
what that is. But the oddest thing doesn't make sense.
I guess she said it shows wants to be free.
So she's just like like, I don't know, because she
bombed a place. We'll talk about and do other things
like great, but it's like Batman's around, so you'd assume
eventually he's gonna get to that. So Sophia, you don't
got to take it upon yourself to like take up
the scum of Gotham. So I was very mixed on
some of these storyline decisions. Acting wise all great stuff.
Uh and Julian Rush I also don't like I'm getting
more disappointed because we're like, oh fuck, what could he do?
And again next week this will answer this. But when
she said hey, I need your your expertise, and I
was like, oh shit, here we go. We're going somewhere,
and when it's just like he's just gonna give Ozma
like therapy lessons. As of right now, I'm like, oh,
all right, So hopefully there is some information that comes
out of that, but as of right now, again it's
just like, okay, cool, they found out that they danced
at a club, Like that's Julian's big arc is we
can have a place to meet up oz the big
bang at the end of this finale, Like, I don't know,
so I had some issues acting wise, was all good here,
But Kirka, what do you think about we got Rush stuff,
you got Sophia's stuff, little Ozma stuff. What do you
think about what's going on here in the penultu and episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: I think I was a little taken aback, which is
the uh, just the crises that.
Speaker 2: Our hang woman was going through.
Speaker 4: Hung I think it's just it doesn't really track with
like the growth of the character throughout the whole season
to just arrive at this point that it's like, man,
everything I've gone through the season, this isn't really what
I want.
Speaker 2: Like, I you.
Speaker 4: Know, I burnt the whole mansion, I changed the name,
but I'm still just like plagued with the shadow of
my father.
Speaker 1: And my family. You know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But like I don't think her going through like that
way of thinking is necessarily bad. It's just I think
because it's happened here, it's like really like like we've
just done all this setup to get to this point.
It's like I don't want to do this anymore, but
I'm just gonna make Oz pay. But it's like, okay,
now we're just back to what we were doing before.
Speaker 2: You just have this revelation one.
Speaker 1: Of those goals. Yeah, like if you had a few goals,
it's still the same. Like at first, when I'm like, oh,
just to make her run, I didn't think they were
going to do that, but like, oh, that'd be interesting
of like this character just like you know what, fuck
it actually, I like I almost wouldn't be mad at
that result of I'm turning into my father. I don't
want to do this. I'm just out of here. Fuck
the city, and like it's a weird end for her,
like her and Julia and Rush like run away together,
but like I wasn't opposed, but then when he's like,
what do you want? And then I also want awus
to feel pain, It's like, yeah, okay, we were already.
Speaker 4: I think I was also like I don't know, maybe
picturing like if she is having this this realization that
she doesn't want to be you know, in this in
this world but her, but she still just wants to
make Oz pay. Well, she's gonna do something really fucked
up to make him pay and then just go out
with a bang, and that's kind of like the end
of her story, Like she ends up getting off in
the process. And then maybe she just like gives all
of the wealth to the orphan girl, Like I could
kind of see that happening. Who knows, maybe that's gonna
be the next hang man give her fifteen years or
twenty years, whatever it is, and she's out for revenge.
Speaker 1: I thought she's gonna take her, but no, she because
I thought she's gonna see the marks, like, oh man,
I am doing because this to me, like she's like, man,
I don't want to be like the point is she's
turning in her father, right, she doesn't want to be that.
To me, that would be well, you know what, don't
leave your blood relative rodding in arcam. Maybe go get
her whatever that it's just some you know whatever mental hospital, Like,
maybe go get her and yeah, start new you can
leave Julian and me. I ain't gonna bring him. He's
kind of creepy, but just take that. You got loads
of money, leave and Oz would just take over. He'll
eventually get some of those families in there and you're good.
Like That's what it was odd, And that's why I
just thought it was more again her becoming the villain
of no. Even though I might care for this little girl,
I'm about to be in the shit. I'm about to
go to war. I can't have this girl coming in here, right,
So I thought, oh, that's a that's a nice thing,
like let her go to another family. And I guess
maybe it could be on the whole better, but not
if you've run away. So and I don't know, I
don't know if I'm interested. Sofia having like a suicide mission,
it's gonna be like, ah, come to the Monroe so
we can all die. Together, Like I don't know if
I want that, you know, And well, let's go an
ad break. Oh, we'll take an add break and we'll
come back to this. We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 4: I gonna what I was gonna throw into there is
like I actually thought Sofia was just gonna tell her like, yeah,
I fucking kill your parents, like like this is the
reality of this world, and like it would be like
a big like school of Hard Knocks type lesson that
she's gonna be teaching her and like, you know, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Survive like in this type of world.
Speaker 4: And then I don't know, I don't really know any
of these characters comic book why, so I'm like, maybe
this is some like comic book character that's gonna evolve
it is.
Speaker 2: You never know, Tali y'all Ghoul, Yeah, it's something like that.
Speaker 4: Who knows, But no, I just just talking about the
scene overall. I complete agree, And so I think you
already said it. Just like the performance of Sophia here
is just like I mean, throughout the whole show, she's
just been so fantastic. Yeah, we're seeing some just great
range throughout the whole show. And uh in this particular
scene because like I just think up until now, she's
just like maxed out on confidence of like being this leader.
She's a jagonte now right, Like she's she's got her
own name. So I think I was surprised that she
was kind of on the back foot when she has
the panic attack when she's leaving the area there, and uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I I I like what I'm like what I'm seeing
because of the performance and everything, but I am very
curious as to how they're gonna round out this character Sofia,
because I don't know, she's not gonna make it pass
like the show. I wouldn't think so. So yeah, I
hope I'm satisfied at the end.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on jun Rush before I throw Taylor.
Speaker 2: I fucking hate this guy.
Speaker 4: I feel like I was like, I don't know, unsure
about him, but like the more I get Him'm like,
this guy's just so fucking weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know. And like now, like you already mentioned, like.
Speaker 4: He's just gonna be the therapist to Oz his mom
for for this last moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe there'll be some crazy revelation type.
Speaker 1: I hope it just results in something, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just he's a weirdo, very just obsessed with Sophia
and not a big fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor thoughts on Rush, Sophia all this stuff.
Speaker 5: I I like how Rush has proven his usefulness here
aside from just being like a sex toy.
Speaker 3: I think he's but when.
Speaker 4: He walks into the kitchen, I'm like, oh my god,
this guy's just like where it's just like taking off.
Speaker 1: His but I'm I'm, I'm ready whenever you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just great.
Speaker 5: It was cool to see him get used on different
levels here when it came to Oz's mom and it
came to actually Sophia just having this panic attack. But
I like the idea of her just kind of realizing
like shit, I'm I'm just I'm doing the same thing
as my father did. And it was this defeating the
purpose of why I want to make a change. I
want to do and run this city as a criminal
and just running this crime family, but I don't want
to be doing.
Speaker 3: It the same way my father was doing it. And
so that's the big.
Speaker 5: Difference here than the key takeaway that I had, because
since she realized, like shit, like I'm just I'm playing
by my father's rules. I'm doing the same thing that
this old hierarchy was all about. And I like that
when she changes the dynamic because Oz is telling her
I know what she thinks. She wants to hear what
she thinks she knows. Yeahda, YadA, YadA. It's like, no,
I don't give a fuck about the drops that you
have in your little lab because I know it's a trap.
Speaker 3: YadA yeadas.
Speaker 5: So she baits him and lures him and plays his
weeknd us against him. So yeah, I think she She
was pretty awesome in this episode.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, Okay, Julian, you think, uh, he's gonna make
it not all Yeah, No, he's a dead man.
Speaker 1: He's got I think Sophia could even kill him.
Speaker 3: I think her or vic Vic might get him.
Speaker 1: I do you think the BIG's hero kill is gonna
be like Julian, It's gonna be ozver Sophie and then
Julian Rush versus Victor.
Speaker 5: I could see Rush in the chair tied up, and
then someone will walk in the room like an Oz to.
Speaker 3: Fuh yeah, come the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Uh and then yeah, this is another moment that I
did not like we're okay. So he calls her, let's
make a swap the bliss for my mom. Of course,
as we talked about before, he has a trap set
for Sophia. Sophia sends a car. They do this shot
where it's just close up on her. She phones Oz.
He picks up the conversation. I don't know what you guys,
I could tell completely, Like right when she picked up
that when she was talking like she's on that fucking car,
like yeah, it's like we know what they're doing. We've
been there before. It's like, no, I know what you're doing. Uh,
she's just I don't know. She's talking about stuff where
he'ss like, oh, uh, you know, I want to do
stuff that my dad does. Like she's she's pretty much
the same conversation she had with Julian. She's kind of
having it to Oz in like a more sinister sort
of way about making him pay and all this stuff. Uh,
the car, the driver jumps out, just books it out
of there, goes the trunk.
Speaker 3: And she's the first red flag.
Speaker 1: Like, but Oz goes the trunk because he's like, oh,
I left you a little something in there. So we're
kind of all assuming, Okay, what happened to Alberto you
know at the premiere, that's what's gonna happen now, is
he's gonna find his mom, and I prefer that to happen. Also,
don't know what happens next week, so we will see.
But for me, I was very let down by oh,
it's a bomb. You got twenty seconds. If you back
fast enough, you might get ad there. I was fine
with Oz leaving his soldiers because like, that's an Awnes move,
you know, and I like the you know, the symmetry
of Okay, he goes back full circle to where his
brothers died to hide. Right, Okay, cool. But my two
problems was Sofia felt very doctor Evil James Bond of like, so,
so here's the thing, so tell me if she's a
fucking eightioter or not. Her plan is okay, I got
Ozz's mom, right, We're gonna take her to Monroe, this
club where they danced and whatever. We're gonna go there.
We're gonna blow up the Bliss Factory, which I was
surprised because I thought I was gonna make it to
the Batman two. Who knows. Now, I don't even know
if it's gonna but okay, So what I'm gonna do is,
I'm gonna go. We're gonna get Oz's mom, we're gonna
bring to the club. We're gonna sit there, right, and
then we're gonna send a car. We're gonna blow up
OZ factory, and he's gonna come meet us there. And
then let's say she makes a call, she does that,
and then Julian Rush walks in and she's like, oh, what
is it, kink baby? And then Julian Rush is oh
Oz died in the explosion. So she's just sitting there
at the club with Julian Rush and her mom because
the whole setup is to do, like, you know, kill
her in front of all, like you know that sort
of stuff. Right, So if this is because she's like,
I hope you gotta you know, you got enough time,
you should be able to get out of there. What
if Oz just fucking dies? What if he just blows
up and dies And now she's just sitting there like
an idiot with Oz's mom like, oh, I guess I'm
just gonna have to shoot her now. Like that's where
it's feel like, I don't think i'd have to think
back on the Batman. There's probably some stuff, but I
feel like there's nothing that's so vertally in this show
or the Batman that feels like that, where it's like
a mustache. Oh, I got this evil plan that has
to go x Y and Z. I know that's the Riddler.
I know like he's put but to me, that's years
of planning the Riddler. He's locked up in a little basement.
Sofia thought up this plan on the day, and her
plan was let's Shy drive a bomb into oz and
saying like what if he fucking tripped? What if you
trip while he's running and just explodes. So that's where
for me took me out of it. And my last point,
where this has been a debate the past few weeks,
more and more I see coming up. I did not
have a problem with it. This is the first time
where I better are gonna mentioned next week this This
city just went through a you know, big tsunami, all
this stuff flooding. We had like a mini explosion earthquake
that took out a bunch of blocks. The cement was
folding within itself. If we don't hear that any mention
of the Batman or anything I hope at least in
the Batman they mentioned something because this is to the
point now, the crime mob stuff. I could see Bruce
to Badvan being like, I got bigger fish to fry.
There's like a whole bomb that just went off and
the city got rocked again, and they just showed him
the last movie he was there helping out when they
had like a city crisis. Right. So I'm not saying
that Passon has to be in the show, but that
now is the point We're like, yeah, where is Batman now?
Like they better make the OZ finale happen like right
after and then they pick up and like, okay, he
did come investigat because I feel like that's a little
too We're getting too big scale there. But Taylor, what
do you think about the bomb decoy? Did you think
it was gonna be his mom? Do you where are
you on the whole Batman thing? Do you think is
now it's a little suspicious that the cities are gonna
rocks and Batman's not around where your thoughts? And souff?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that, Okay, expectations are being subverted again
because when that vehicle came out and that driver just
duped out of there.
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, it's a bomb for sure.
Speaker 5: It caught me off guard because when Oz walks around
the back, the music changes and you just see like
the kind of hair whatever, the clothing. I thought, oh shit, no,
it's actually the bomb and she's dead. They're really going
that route. Okay, I No, she throws the blanket back
and it's actually the bomb. It's like, okay, yeah, I
like how they kind of played with us. You just
don't really know.
Speaker 3: So that was good.
Speaker 5: The bomb blowing up, and yeah, him just deaking out
of there, going into the same place that the same
hole that was his salvation which is actually his brother's
death grave, which was crazy to think about. But him
leaving his whole crew to die, and himating the whole
fucking rounds.
Speaker 1: It's your turned hine and seek.
Speaker 5: The whole block just blowing up from underneath itself and collapsing.
It's just absolutely chaos. And yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Is Batman doing.
Speaker 5: He's just he's just watching this on the news.
Speaker 3: Uh, just taking it easy.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, the only thing I can hag ken
of myself is that he's recovering from fighting.
Speaker 3: The Riddler in that.
Speaker 5: Remember racks up above, and he had to shoot himself
with adrenaline and he got shot with like fucking shotgun.
It's saw a shotguny in his chest and all that.
So he's just bruised and banged.
Speaker 1: Remember a few weeks when we talked about that. We
don't know if this is weeks after, months after, If
it's months after, it's like, Okay, this guy's batman, Like
now I feel like he should be out there now,
you know, like how much recovery does he need? What
else he doing?
Speaker 5: You know that's true, and he's probably I, uh, well,
just on vacation looking for Selena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking for Selena.
Speaker 1: Where your thought's kirkluh?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was really shocked when the whole fucking city block
just fell down because I kind of just forgot that
they were like right below the like the city just
in the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle tunnels and yeah, like
I I don't know, it's just the scale up until
that point never felt like that large. Like I was
almost expecting like another flood to commence after that whole
like thing dropped. It's like, man, this could bring down
like buildings, like the amount of just devastation that this
explosion is having on the infrastructure here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm like you, Travis, Like as soon as
she was like on the phone and it was just
like different lighting, I'm like, Oh, no, she's not in there,
she's If she's in there, it's like they're gonna light
up Oz right here with like a machine gun. Like
I feel like that's how the scene's gonna go. But
then she just like keeps talking and I'm like, oh,
she's not in there, there's no issues in there. And
then yeah, you got long legs run out the driver
door just just runs out of there, and I don't know,
didn't you say that they locked the door though, like
behind the car, Like where did that person too? So
they're just like hiding in the tunnels like.
Speaker 1: Way die they die?
Speaker 3: And I was a little.
Speaker 4: Thrown off too, because, uh, what does Oz see that
like brings them to tears?
Speaker 2: I think it was the mom at first.
Speaker 3: And then that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Oh you just thought it was the mom?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think he just thought just appear. Oh man,
my mom's laying here dead, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Okay, yeah, because because that happened and then we
see the mom, and I'm like, was that Vic?
Speaker 2: Like did they really just fucking kill Vic off?
Speaker 4: Like off screen we don't even see his face, Like really,
I guess I could have went back and rewatched it,
but I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Ask you guys, so I saved it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't really think too much of it, like
at the time, but now that you mentioned of, like, like,
everything had it go well for this to for this
to be satisfying for Sophia, right, She's like, I think
I left enough time for you to run out.
Speaker 2: She's like oops, like maybe not.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well if you just fucking killed them there, like
your whole plan is pretty pretty out the window, and
now you're just stuck with his mom with dementia.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was, uh, didn't the.
Speaker 1: Road trip of those three? You know?
Speaker 4: So yeah, like I didn't really think about it, but definitely, Uh,
I don't know when you shine light on it, it's
doesn't make the most sense.
Speaker 1: No, but it's a classic the bad guy needs to
see the villain punished in person because you could literally
just killed her, put it in the killed her, you
gotta killed her, put it in a drunk also the
bomb there and then like oh, you know. May Chris
was like, that's it. Two birds, one stone. You take
out the bliss, you kill him, you make him have
some pain. You can even FaceTime be like, hey, I'm
not gonna talk to you to your FaceTime me. You
literally could be you could say that's part of the deal,
right you say, I'm not gonna So then she could
see his reaction, like that's the bad thing with technology.
She could see his reaction to his mom being dead
and then blow him up. Done, She's she's done it all.
Speaker 4: She's done it all faces just like he's got the
old Dexter hair and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, can it's kind of broken right now, I
can't do that. And it's like a whole awkward, like
scary movie scene, like no, no, just like it's their
settings now and it hasn't worked since I got and
I tried. They said, I gotta go in the shop. No no, no,
you just gotta go like Bluetooth and everything. But uh yeah,
so we'll see but that happens and then yeah, it's
very similar to the end of The Batman Show, except
of water. That time it's more dusty. Uh Oz walks
as subway. It's a bunch of people and he sees, uh,
a guy. I thinks, Victory, we alreadycover that. But then
he sees a character looks familiar. We always saw this
character thing once, maybe twice. I could be wrong. I
think it's twice at least, but uh, it's a cop
that was a drop heab addict and then he just
just like says something like, oh if he's waiting for you,
and then knocks all ows out and the same thing.
It's like, I guess it feels like a very convoluid
way to get Oz to me. But that's what's gonna happen,
is awes. So I think there there's part of you
that is right about Victor leading some sort of cavalry
because like, I don't know how Oz is gonna get
out of this, right because mother's dead. To right, they're
going enemy location this, cops gonna have Oswalde all tied up.
They should time that fucking chair again. On episode one
that seemed to work, but.
Speaker 5: Well, he's been a reoccurring thing, right, Like Oz is
tied up at the funeral and Victor came in there
or was It wasn't the funeral, it was somewhere somewhere
around there, and then Oz is tied up again with
the falcons, and then Oz pops in or drives.
Speaker 1: In handcuffs and everything. So he's getting these situations where
he can't wake up.
Speaker 4: Next to Julian Rush, like the first time he's tied
up on the chair, Yeah, he's like.
Speaker 1: What's the You're gonna punish me? Like, oh no, I'm
not gonna punish it. And then just opens the door to
rock hard Julian Rush and he just gives them therapy
though he doesn't do anything sex wise. They just he
has that red light. But uh yeah, any like I said,
I think Tay is right where I could even see
something where maybe Victor comes with the Calvary saves him.
Maybe Victor actually shoots his mom or something. I don't know. Again,
I could see it just be that his mom does
and Penguin takes us in net justification of all you
fucked up because you didn't watch her, Like he could
be like, oh, none, this would happen if he would
have been paying attention like you, like right when the
the dust is settled. I guaran they could even go
all the way back. I don't know if I'm gonna
do a Tress told you, but something like they're bearing
a body, or at that first episode when they're digging
it and Penguin got up top, was gonna shoot aways,
Oh look at the sunset, you know, turn around, and
he didn't shoot them. I could see them being back
in a very same grave bearing someone else, and his
mom's even bearing his mom legitimly and talking about like, well,
you know this would have all happened and you would
just fucking paid attention and boom gone. You know, like
that's a lesson to him. He kind of will see.
But that's my prediction is at least saved by Victor.
Mom doesn't make it. He blames Victor. Fingers crossed that
Sophia does make it, but I don't. I think she's
a goner now because with this whole speech of not
wanting to be like her father, I would feel weird
she makes up speech and then goes back to like
the Batman two, just being like another crime boss. So
I think Sophia will lah make this guy pay now. Swayne,
he's a fucking little asshole to me in kindergarten and
I want to see him in pain. But yeah, I
think she's gonna eat it next week. So those are
my final predictions. Final predictions for you guys.
Speaker 2: I think someone will kill her, do it. They will
do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she'll die too, Oz Mom, Victor, Julian.
Speaker 1: Julie Macon. I hope he makes it.
Speaker 4: He's like, I am the leader, the gigante is now.
Speaker 2: We got married, got married.
Speaker 1: Before we came over here. Yeah, Oz, your mom was
the witness.
Speaker 4: A lot of death, but mister Peg will be the
one at the top of the castle. But it would
make sense that his mom dies, you know, it's like
the cost of everything here. He is the top of
the pyramid, but he's all alone.
Speaker 1: And he started this right because like as much as
not that I'm saying reading from now, I'm not now
because of all the stuff we saw with his brothers,
they've made him to me firmly in the villain category.
But he didn't I have to kill Berto, right, Like,
like he didn't have to make that money, that money grab.
So like that's the chain of events. Has he killed
Alberto or Alberto and well that cost him his mom, right,
So it's just like that's it's a full sort of
exactly Taylor last minute obviously, So Finally, your final answer
is Victor is making out a live this this would
you even accept that he could die by not the
hands of oz yep? Okay, So it's just you just
think for sure if he's either live or if he dies,
it ain't that's killing him. That's right. Oh. Finally, at
the very end of episode seven.
Speaker 5: I'll stand true with my Uh, yeah, I won't be
Oz that kills him.
Speaker 1: First opening seat in the next episode is just gonna pull?
Do you idiot that my mom?
Speaker 3: Now you reminded me, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I did enjoy the fact that when sal was like
he Oz and had Oza to riots throwing him around.
Speaker 3: And Oz kept saying like, just don't hurt my mom.
Don't hurt my mom. Uh, even though he like burned.
Speaker 5: His that's exactly like you have no say it. He's like,
I'm trying, like, Sofia is gonna fuck you over? Uh?
Like Sala, it's like you have no pull because you
burnt his fucking son and wife alive. Like you got
not a single fucking piece of ammunition in your gun
right now?
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Like two minutes later.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what I remember the most the smell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I like, Like that guy saved him.
I think this was the first time this years we
got to see you that. Okay, we talked about like, oh,
what's gonna what's gonna happen in oz is no more
stories or webs to spin, And this was it where
Sala's like like he did the pusher against Sophia, you know,
don't hurt my family. Oh and then he did the
aggressive like I fucking killed your family. All the things
didn't really work on Sal, right because he's like, no, man,
like this is poisoned. Well, like there's nothing that you
can say it's gonna get Yeah. So but I.
Speaker 5: Guess in closing predictions, Yeah, I think Sophia is gonna live.
She's gonna go back to whatever prison she came from.
Speaker 3: Uh arkham. Uh. I don't know what else do we
have here?
Speaker 1: Give us the breakde now, Yeah, Sophia is she make
it out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's what I just said, okay, T Yeah, can you
give us the full breakdown of W two K twenty
four GM Mode Were the top five things you want
to do in the season one?
Speaker 5: Top five things you want to do in season one? Well,
you need to you got characters that aren't necessarily like
the greatest, but you want them to be making you money.
They're popular, it is going to go down, but you
want to make money. They're like the the in between,
Like what do you call them promoters? I guess they're
just talking to the crowds.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: You want to get fans. You want to get more
like watchers, viewers and fans. So you need to set
up rivalries. You need to have characters and you have
to You have to build up certain rivalries.
Speaker 3: By having their matches up. And it doesn't always work.
Speaker 1: Because at one point I told you to listen up
with the stream. He's literally he had it's all on
this record. He had full mouth open, like ready for
mister Rushes. He was. He was feeling it. That's enough point.
So you got it there? So okay, so you think
so sorry I didn't hear Sophia does or doesn't make it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she makes it. She's going to Arkham, She's going
she's gonna pull out of.
Speaker 1: There, mister pulling out? Is mister Rush making it?
Speaker 3: No, he's fucking done. He's dead.
Speaker 1: Okay, And is there any last minute? Do we do? We?
I don't think we've seen a bat roer Bruce wayn
do we see a bat signal? I'm gonna throw that
out there. Do we see a bat signal?
Speaker 5: I think we see a bat signal because the city
is in hell and so far Batman's Batman's on good
terms with them because Batman was helping with the evac
and was like helping with everything at the end there.
So I think you'll see a bat signal and people
will be like, like freaking out. That'd be super cool
to get a shot of. Like Oz has done it
and he's got his he's got his operations. Maybe he'll
be like a time jump in the next episode near
the end and then he like looks up and he's
like talking to himself and then you see the bat
signal up high and then he's gonna think like fuck
and I got bigger fish to fry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Batman's like, they're like where you been. He's like,
I don't come if you don't put the signal out,
like like I've.
Speaker 3: Been waiting on you guys never used it, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we lost in the flood, Like fuck Man, Like
what if we're just waiting for it? You gave us
the signal oh right, I did. I'm sorry about that.
Alfred shit went over to you don't worry. Uh, that'd
be a low key awesome one to see. If we
get Jim Gordon in this finale, that would be a
super hype moment. I don't think, well, all the other
cap that people are wanting is the you guys remember
his name's Officer Martinez, and he's like he's he's like
very he hates Batman in his hand, but when he's
at the funeral he's like, hey, mister Wayne, like he's
like he's like a big fani. Yeah, everybody's been wanting him.
I don't know if we're gonna him, but I would
like one more cop type character. Gordon also would be
the mecca you can bring back on the surgeon captain guy.
But like, if it's Martinez, that would be great. You
could even I guess, bring that mayor elect in, but
I Gordon would be I don't know why we've never
even talked about Gordon being this. I thought that would
be like actually an easy layup, like manages to clean
up and just he's like, oh, I talked to the
big guy about this, and you know, so, well, we'll
see that'll be back, or we'll be back next week
on Sunday, we'll be talking about this. That'll be the finale.
Should be a good one. Hopefully it's a nice, juicy
hour and I'm excited to talk about I think we
got a lot of predictions, but how will they exactly go,
We don't know. So we'll be back next week and
I promise you it won't be warm, but