WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:06.519 I didn't even know. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:15.039 I God, every frog begins with a promise. 3 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:21.079 Howard Patrol was immediately suspicious that this horrible accident was 4 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:22.879 not an accident. 5 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:28.960 A quick fortune, easy money, or a life transformed overnight. 6 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.799 She's bleeding profusely, can't get the bleeding stop. 7 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:41.759 But behind these illusions, like calculated deceptions, carefully hidden in 8 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:42.880 plain sight. 9 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.920 They're absolutely worre whispers in the community about her dad. 10 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:50.719 Sometimes these criminals are backed into a corner and feel 11 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.359 their only way out is to kill. 12 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:57.799 He wanted his wife, he wanted a girlfriend, and when 13 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:02.359 those things were threatened, he was unwilling to use it. 14 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:34.239 H Yeah, you touched a N one one, You ran 15 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:39.680 off the group, you ran off the bridge. This I 16 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:40.799 don't even help my wife. 17 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:41.040 I don't. 18 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.760 This is crazy, all right, she tripped in the vehicle. 19 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.480 Brow her out, Help me. 20 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:58.359 God, you worth thousands of cases, and then there are 21 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:04.439 certain cases that just with you forever. Miss gugis On 22 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.719 being one of those cases that I don't think anybody 23 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.599 in this area has ever forgotten it. 24 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.560 Chester is a community where, for the most part, people 25 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.319 still know each other. People know their neighbor and know 26 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.759 their neighbor's neighbor. I'm Travis Jenkins. I grew up in Chester. 27 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.759 I've worked with Chester News and Reporter full time since 28 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.400 two thousand and three, so twenty two years. 29 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.840 In the tight knit community of Chester, Judy Orr was 30 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:44.240 a much loved figure. 31 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:46.479 Judy loved her family. 32 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.560 She was a very kind and giving person and just 33 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.319 a very sweet natured lady. 34 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.719 I'm Candice Lively. I'm the Deputy solicitor in Chester County. 35 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.599 Judy was a very important woman in the community because 36 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.159 she was involved with her church. She knew a lot 37 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.560 of important people in the community just because of her kindness. 38 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:13.439 She would volunteer. She was just someone that most people knew. 39 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:19.120 Judy did have quite an affinity for the motorcycle groups 40 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:20.719 that she was involved with. 41 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:26.840 In two thousand and four, tragedy struck when Judy's husband, Todd, 42 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.120 was killed in a motorcycle accident. 43 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.639 Her husband, when he unfortunately passed away, she really missed 44 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.360 that part of her life of. 45 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.120 Being connected with that community. 46 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.439 After the death of her husband, Judy continued playing a 47 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.879 part in the Christian biker group and around twenty eleven, 48 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.680 she met fifty two year old fellow biker James Baldwin. 49 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.159 James Baldwin is someone that Judy medical when he was 50 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.319 a dispatcher for Chester County Sheriff's Office, and he had 51 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.360 also had some experience as a police officer in a 52 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.599 neighboring county that would be York County. 53 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.120 My name is doctor VICKITHA Corda's Deci and I'm a 54 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:17.240 consultant forensic psychologist. Judy became a widow. It's only natural 55 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.560 for somebody to want companionship and someone to love again 56 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.920 in their life, and she made the decision to move 57 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:31.000 on after a substantial period of being single. She was 58 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.759 loving and caring and she wanted to be able to 59 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.079 share that with a partner. She wanted to be able 60 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:42.399 to enjoy companionship once again and felt like she could 61 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:43.759 move on from her loss. 62 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.399 While Judy was financially secure after the death of her husband, Todd, 63 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:53.680 James Baldwin was an ex deputy and Local nine one 64 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:54.639 one operator. 65 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.879 Judy was definitely better off financially whenever she met James Baldwin. 66 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.480 She had the house that her husband left her, she 67 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.480 had plenty of money from everything she received from the 68 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:11.439 proceeds of her husband's passing. Jamie is not financially in 69 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.839 the same situation, he was always filing insurance claims. He 70 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.279 was always looking for ways that he could make money 71 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.519 because he just didn't make much money doing what he 72 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.519 was doing as a dispatcher. 73 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:34.160 James Baldwin was somebody who was looking for opportunities, opportunities 74 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.319 to further themselves in their own wealth. There is evidence 75 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.519 of him trying to defraud insurance. 76 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:46.600 He's actually waiting for financial money to come in from 77 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:52.600 some motorcycle accident he had where he was claiming that 78 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.360 Department of Public Safety was at fault for having electrical 79 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.000 box in the wrong place on a street and he 80 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.639 ran into it and damaged his bike and he was hurt. 81 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.680 My name is Fiona Hotston Moore and I'm a forensic 82 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:13.839 accountant and expert witness. In my experience of fraud, they 83 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.199 do tend to be serial forwards. This so they do 84 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.920 it once and they get away with it. They perhaps 85 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.120 in their mind don't tend to do it again, but 86 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.079 then circumstances are such that they do do it again. 87 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:26.680 And I think you need to bear in mind the 88 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.519 Ford triangle, which means there needs to be motive, opportunity 89 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.240 and rationalization and if those three factors are in place, 90 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.600 then quite often affords that will repeat the previous fraud. 91 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.319 James Baldwin's background as a nine to one one operator 92 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.759 and ex deputy meant he was quickly embraced by the 93 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:50.639 Chester community. 94 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:56.279 I definitely think that James Baldwin's background and law enforcement 95 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.319 would have made other people trustful of them, and I 96 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.240 think that that probably just grew because again, so many 97 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.079 people knew Judy and so many. 98 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.199 People loved or liked her. She had a lot of friends. 99 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.680 She was very well known in the community. 100 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:18.319 In March twenty twelve, Judy and James married, and Judy 101 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.519 was happy to spend lavishly on her new husband. 102 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.680 Judy really did enjoy spending money on Jamie. He was 103 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.600 very charismatic and at the time she's just such a console. 104 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.720 I think she just loved all the attention. It had 105 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.120 been a long time since she had had a serious relationship, 106 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.040 and so she did. They actually went and bought a 107 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:45.720 beautiful new Harley Davidson motorcycle for him, and anything and 108 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.600 everything he wanted for it, she paid for it. She 109 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.639 basically set him up in this house and paid for 110 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.920 and did anything that he wanted. He was living the 111 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.439 kind of life that he wanted to live, but because 112 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:04.240 Judy had the money and not him. 113 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:09.560 In June twenty sixteen, James Baldwin persuaded Judy to take 114 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:15.600 out a twenty five thousand dollars life insurance policy. 115 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.040 James Baldwin did take out the accidental life insurance policy. 116 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.199 It just seemed like a normal thing to do, and 117 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.759 she had unfortunately lost her husband in her lifetime, and 118 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:30.079 she understood the importance of having money whenever you have 119 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:33.320 an unfortunate loss like that. Jamie had been in some 120 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.039 motorcycle accidents in the past and he said, you know 121 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.559 these are Having an insurance policy is important. 122 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:44.440 An accident only life policy only pays out if the 123 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.759 person dies in an accident, so it does not pay 124 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:52.039 out if they die of natural causes or some terminal illness, etc. 125 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:57.279 It's much cheaper and easier to obtain and therefore potentially 126 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:01.480 more liable to food forty link claims when someone actually 127 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.679 dies in an untowards circumstance. 128 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:09.320 In December twenty sixteen, Judy and James Baldwin were getting 129 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.000 ready for an event with their Christian biker group. 130 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:17.279 Jady Baldwin loved Christmas that was our favorite time of year. 131 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.440 They would go with their group, their Christian biker group, 132 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.399 on different trips to raise money for charities. 133 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.240 They had one that was their biggest. 134 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.679 One each year, which was around Christmas, where they would 135 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.679 collect toys for children who were in need. They were 136 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:39.720 going to go to Kentucky actually for the twenty sixteen Christmas. 137 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.080 That's whenever things fell apart. 138 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:51.840 At eleven four pm on the evening of December fourteenth, 139 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:56.080 twenty sixteen, Chester Police receive a nine to one to 140 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.879 one distress call. 141 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:06.200 We ran off the group, He ran off the bridge. 142 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.600 I don't even help from my wife now, just explasively, alright, 143 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:17.559 she trapped in the vehicle, threw her out. Oh God. 144 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.840 Highway Officer James Calvin Riker Junior was asked to respond. 145 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.360 My name was James Calvin Riker Jr. We enforced all 146 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:34.919 traffic laws and crashes in South Carolina and we would 147 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.399 get called out to work more complex collisions. 148 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.039 The early hours of the fifteenth, I was at home. 149 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:43.840 I was sleeping. 150 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:47.840 Got a call from my supervisor and stated that the 151 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.679 troop here in Chester, South Carolina was needing assistance with 152 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.039 one of the cases that they had responded to. 153 00:10:55.559 --> 00:11:00.440 The supervisor, explained jeep had crashed on old Richburg Road 154 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.759 just outside of Chester. 155 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.720 It's a two lane road, but it is dark. There's 156 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.799 no really ambient lighting out in that area. You are 157 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.840 as we would say, in the country at that point. 158 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.279 The couple traveling in the jeep were Judy or Baldwin 159 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.399 and her husband, James Baldwin. 160 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:30.679 I'm Randy Newman, sixth Circuit Solicitor. So according to James Baldwin, 161 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:36.320 some parent car comes into his lane or truck runs 162 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.720 him off the road and he says that he blacked 163 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.799 out at some point. When he comes to, he reaches over, 164 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.720 doesn't feel her in the seat, crawls out of the 165 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:52.919 vehicle and finds her lying in a creek, not underwater, 166 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:56.399 just in a couple of inches of water. Unable to 167 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:00.600 get her, come to and calls nine one one. 168 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:06.000 Judy or Baldwin was pronounced dead at the scene. James 169 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.600 Baldwin was taken to the hospital with minor injuries. 170 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.519 The news of her death actually got to was the 171 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.399 next day, but even at that point there were already 172 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.399 sort of whispers in the community that there was more 173 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:19.000 to the story. 174 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:23.440 I felt like there was something different about this case. 175 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.159 But I got the internal nudge that I needed to 176 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.320 go actually to the hospital and talk to mister Balwin 177 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.720 as soon as possible. When I first had a conversation 178 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.960 with the unseen supervisor, what he was saying that mister 179 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.320 Baldwin had told him at the scene was not matching 180 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.879 up with what the damage was or the lack of damage, 181 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.720 so pretty close early on in the investigation, I felt 182 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.519 like something wasn't adding up with what he was saying 183 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:57.200 and what was being presented at the scene itself. 184 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.279 James Baldwin at first when he called nine one one, 185 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.200 he claimed that there was a car accident he swerved 186 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.679 to miss a truck that had come into his lane, 187 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.440 that he went off the road and must have lost 188 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:19.639 consciousness because he kind of comes to when the jeeps 189 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.559 stopped and realized that his wife was not next to 190 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:25.600 him in the passenger seat of the vehicle. 191 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.320 While James Baldwin was taken to the hospital with minor injuries, 192 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:35.159 officers began to notice inconsistencies between evidence of the scene 193 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.240 with James Baldwin's version of events. 194 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.919 I knew the story that was being told did not 195 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:45.080 line up with what was being presented at the scene. 196 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.240 I spoke with the onseen supervisor. He was telling me 197 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.399 that he had some concerns with what mister Baldwin had 198 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:58.039 told him. The on scene supervisor was saying that mister 199 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.440 Baldwin had told him he felt like miss Judy was 200 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.000 ejected out of the vehicle and that's what caused her death. 201 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.080 I asked him if he could send me a couple 202 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.679 of pictures of the vehicle. He showed me those pictures 203 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.360 and I knew that was not the case from the 204 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:14.919 lack of damage to the vehicle. 205 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.600 Officer Riker decided to go straight to the hospital to 206 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:22.120 interview James Baldwin. 207 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.960 He did say that he tried to get her up 208 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.919 the embankment, but also said that he found her in 209 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.320 the front of the vehicle, which would have been in 210 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:36.039 the water, and she was basically. 211 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.840 Pulled towards the driver's side of. 212 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.000 The vehicle, which would not be in the direct path 213 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.399 to try to get her to the top of the embankment. 214 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.679 So that was a little strange, but you know, maybe 215 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.600 he was disoriented. I was trying to give him, you know, 216 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:51.879 the benefit of the doubt at that time when he 217 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.559 is telling me this story. 218 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:00.240 During the interview at the hospital, James Baldwin's story what 219 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.759 happened that evening began to change. 220 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.519 He started adding more stuff to it to try to 221 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.440 fill in those gaps and those questions that he was 222 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.840 being asked. So his story was that back at the 223 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:18.159 house there was an incident there where miss Judy had 224 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.919 fell off of a ladder while trying to decorate a 225 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.120 Christmas tree. He was outside at that moment. When he 226 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:27.879 came back inside, he saw that she was laying on 227 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:33.200 the floor, was bleeding a lot, and decided that she 228 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.240 needed to go to the hospital to get stitches. 229 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:40.960 So, according to James Baldwin, they are decorating for Christmas. 230 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.879 She is on a step ladder decorating the tree. James 231 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:50.519 Baldwin said, she fell and bumped her head. She's bleeding profusely. 232 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.120 Can't get the bleeding stop. Gotta take her to hospital. 233 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.919 And as he was traveling down Old Richburg Road, a 234 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.759 vehicle was in his lane of travel where he took 235 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.519 evasive action, ran off the right side of road, kind 236 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.279 of overcracked it and went off the left side of 237 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.080 the road, down in abankment and into a creek, where 238 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.519 he said that he doesn't remember really what happened after that, 239 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.600 except when he woke up that Miss Judy was not 240 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.919 in the vehicle and then he found her outside of 241 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.399 the jeep itself. 242 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.080 Officer Riker noticed a lack of emotion from James Baldwin. 243 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:29.120 I knew he was a police officer. 244 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.600 I knew he was in public safety, and maybe that 245 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:37.159 was just the way somebody actually responded to that behavior. 246 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.879 I asked him point blank that night if he did 247 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.080 anything to hurt Miss Judy. That was the only time 248 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.840 that I saw emotion out of him during this interview 249 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:51.639 is when I was accusing him of doing something to 250 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:52.240 Miss Judy. 251 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:58.440 After interviewing James Baldwin at the hospital, Officer Riker joined 252 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:00.440 his colleagues at the scene of the accident. 253 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.279 This is a rule two lane road out in the country. 254 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.279 There's a bridge there that covers the creek itself. But 255 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:13.119 I was able to see the path of travel that 256 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.400 mister Baldwin went off the right side of the road, 257 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.759 and even when I got there, he should have stayed 258 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.000 in a straight path, which would have taken him straight 259 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.480 into the woods. And so when he goes off the 260 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.759 left side of the road, he has to make a 261 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:30.640 control movement to straighten up the vehicle, drive down the embankment, 262 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.279 get to the creek bottom, and then kind of angle 263 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:35.960 it back to the right, And so it does not 264 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.680 add up with what he is telling us. 265 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:44.720 Highway troll was immediately suspicious. They see accidents all the time. 266 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.599 Number One, They didn't see damage to the vehicle. They 267 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.880 thought that that was very suspicious. And the fact that 268 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.759 the windshield was intact, nothing was really damage except for 269 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:58.079 just the front little grill piece on the jeep. There 270 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.960 was no indication of a huge turn or some type 271 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.359 of movement by the vehicle to avoid a truck coming 272 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:07.920 into his lane, which he claimed. 273 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.240 I can see the fresh marks in the dirt off 274 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.119 the right side of the roadway, and I'm like, this 275 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.279 doesn't happen when you're traveling at normal highway speeds of 276 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.640 fifty to fifty five miles an hour. So just seeing 277 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.480 the jeep, its location, the path of travel that it 278 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.720 took to get to its location, the amount of blood 279 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.000 that was in the vehicle and on the outside of 280 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:35.000 the vehicle. 281 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:37.039 Just did not. 282 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.000 Add up with her getting ejected out of the vehicle. 283 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.119 Despite the concerns of the officers at the scene. James 284 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.799 Baldwin's background as a deputy and nine to one to 285 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.400 one responder meant local officers were quick to believe his 286 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:52.960 version of events. 287 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.559 Here in Chester County, with it being such a small county, 288 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:01.640 people are in the community who work in law enforcement. 289 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:03.920 It's hard to look at them and think that they 290 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:08.599 could have had anything to do with injuring a family member. 291 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.079 I think that there's just that inherent small town field 292 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.200 that there's just no way Jamie bard One could have 293 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.480 done something to hurt this wonderful woman that everybody worked. 294 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.720 It is highly likely that when James called nine one 295 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:29.240 one and his colleagues responded to that that they would 296 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.039 have quite quickly believed his version of events. He was 297 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.400 a trusted colleague, he had worked within the profession for 298 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.240 as long as he did, and that unconscious bias that 299 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:44.039 would have been present which would have rationalized their decision, 300 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:49.079 which was, well, actually, he's one of us. He should 301 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.640 be telling the truth. He is telling the truth, and 302 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.920 therefore there's no need to question this any further. 303 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.519 On the night when the jeep went off the road, 304 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:02.880 the share Sophie did send an investigator to the home. 305 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.920 He looked in the window, and you could immediately see 306 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.079 there was blood on the floor. In the main area 307 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.000 was a huge, wide, open main area. There was a 308 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:19.240 ladder and a huge Christmas treek. Unfortunately, he only took 309 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:24.160 about forty pictures, not that anymore, but looking at the 310 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:28.039 scene without having anybody else come in there, he went 311 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:32.400 and reported back that what he saw, and based on 312 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.480 what mister Baldwin had told him, he believed that Judy 313 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:39.400 had fallen from the ladder and hit her head on 314 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:42.400 the mantle or somewhere in that area, and that's what 315 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:44.400 caused her head injuries. 316 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:47.319 So that fit with what he believed. 317 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.000 At the time Jamie Baldwin was telling everyone. 318 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.359 Satisfied with James Baldwin's story that there had been an 319 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:59.160 accident at the home, the investigator allowed the scene to 320 00:20:59.200 --> 00:20:59.960 be cleaned up. 321 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:03.880 The only person who had walked into that home that 322 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.079 was law enforcement was the investigator from the Sheriff's office, 323 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.799 and he also told a friend of Jamie Baldwin, you 324 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.480 can go ahead and clean up. I'm sure you don't 325 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.240 want it to look like this. Whenever mister Baldwin gets 326 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.400 back to the house, he gave a card to this 327 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.960 female by the name of Terry Keane, who said, you 328 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:26.400 can call these people, they'll clean up the blood. 329 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.839 On the morning of December fifteenth, the community of Chester 330 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:36.319 learned of Judy or Baldwin's death and there was immediate 331 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.319 suspicion around what happened. 332 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.799 We found out about it the next day. Gets around 333 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.880 very quickly in the town as small as Chester. 334 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.880 Law enforcement had two different versions of what could have happened. 335 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.200 Highway patrol was thinking, this is not a car accident, 336 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.240 and then you had law enforcement with the Sheriff's office saying, well, 337 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.160 it looks like it was possibly an accident from a 338 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:00.799 fall that happened at the house. 339 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.039 They took his statement, They went to the house and 340 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:08.880 they did I guess the bare minimum. And this guy 341 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:13.680 was a former dispatcher at the Sheriff's office. They never 342 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.400 at any point thought that he's not being truthful. 343 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:24.440 A local pathologist performed an autopsy to try to confirm 344 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:25.440 the cause of death. 345 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:31.160 The biggest issue happened whenever the autopsy was done. The 346 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:35.720 findings of the pathologist was that she had died from 347 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.000 a blunt force trauma to the head, but in their 348 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:43.640 opinion that it was probably because of the fall. 349 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.759 There're absolutely were whispers in the community about her death. 350 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:54.079 There were just questions about I guess Hol's and Jamie's story, 351 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:56.799 his I guess connection to. 352 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:57.920 The law enforcement community. 353 00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:59.599 I think a lot of those things were brought up 354 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:02.319 his question students that people had about whether or not 355 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:04.279 this was being looked into as thoroughly as it should 356 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:08.440 have been, and whether or not there was more to 357 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.160 the story, which most people seem to think that there was. 358 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.079 While local law enforcement were quick to believe James Baldwin's 359 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:21.960 version of events, the coroner, who knew Judy personally had doubts. 360 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:30.200 Terry Tinker our Corner and the family, after hearing everything, 361 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:35.119 strongly believed that it didn't fit with what they were 362 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:39.480 actually seeing from the pictures that were taken at the home. 363 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.640 That this didn't make sense how she could have such. 364 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:47.000 A severe head trauma falling from basically a three step ladder. 365 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.160 So there were just a lot of questions. 366 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.039 I think it was just he was taken out his word. 367 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.440 They felt like they didn't have anything to show otherwise, 368 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:01.480 and so they weren't moving along the way the family 369 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:03.759 wanted them to or the way the coroner wanted them 370 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:03.880 to do. 371 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:06.480 I mean to be honest, there were a lot of 372 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.359 people who said that he had killed her, that they 373 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:15.400 believed that Jamie had murdered Judy. 374 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:22.119 In early twenty seventeen, the investigation into the death of 375 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:27.200 Judy or Baldwin was still ongoing, with a coroner and 376 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.200 the sheriff still in disagreement about what happened. 377 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.680 I started getting calls early on from the community, Hey, 378 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.160 this isn't right. Somebody needs to do something. 379 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:43.920 This case was very tricky, simply because we had an 380 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:50.240 initial disagreement or kind of this impasse between investigating agencies. 381 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.640 The fact that key people investigating the case knew both 382 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.920 James Baldwin and Judy or Baldwin personally complicated Matt. 383 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.880 So initially that was hard to get over that hump 384 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:09.759 of thinking, we've got to look at this as investigators 385 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.000 and not as friends of one another. We've got to 386 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.119 dig into this and do it's fair for this family. 387 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.440 When you're emotionally involved with anyone, whether that's the victim 388 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:28.079 or the perpetrator, it is hard to detach yourself, especially professionally, 389 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:31.640 when you are being asked to offer an opinion. 390 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.279 And therefore the whole town. 391 00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:39.599 Was impacted and in some way, shape or form. 392 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.160 Then we get a call from the judge, local judge. 393 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.480 He wants to meet with the coroner and the sheriff's office. 394 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.559 So it's kind of like those two guys are getting 395 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:50.200 called to the principal's office. 396 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.680 After meeting with the judge, the coroner continued the investigation 397 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.400 with the help of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Vision 398 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.160 known as SLED. 399 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:04.880 SLED is a. 400 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:10.799 Multi jurisdictional investigative agency. So most places like Chester, who 401 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:13.839