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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies Podcast, the

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podcast where we talk about the blockbusters, love flops, and

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everything between from one of the frenchiest decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. I'm your host, Pill Banton long be

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on this journey revisiting eighties movies.

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Speaker 2: Is my co host Jason Massek. Hello, Jason Bill, I'm

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an excellent driver.

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Speaker 1: That's right, listeners, we're discussing with sports the Plenty. The

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nineteen eighty eight drama rain Man was produced by United

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Artists in the Goober Peters Company and distributed by MGMUA Communications.

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The movie stars Dustin Hoffman, Tom Cruise, and Valeria Golino.

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Directed by Barry Levinson, This movie is rated R with

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the time of two hours and thirteen minutes. The movie

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was nominated for eight Oscars, winning four nominees were for

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Best Cinematography, Best Set Direction, Art Direction, Best Film Editing,

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and Best Music Original Score. Wins included Best Writing Screenplay

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Written Directly for the screen for Ron Bass and Barry Morrow,

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Best Director Barry Levinson, Best Actor in the leading role

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Dustin Hoffman, and Best Picture. So what is this movie about?

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What's on the box? If you grew up in the

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nineteen eighties and what's to your local video store to

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rent this movie? You would find this description on the

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back of the VHS box. It is what's on the box,

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Take it away.

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Speaker 2: Jason winner of four Academy Awards Best Picture, Best Director,

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Best Actor, and Best Original Screenplay. Barry Levinson's rain Man

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is a modern cinematic classic, boasting quote dazzling tour de

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force performances by Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman. Rex read

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at the Movies. This heartwarming story of the healing power

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of love is quote fascinating, touching, and full of smart surprises.

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Newsweek quote my father has stuck it to me all

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my life, complains Charlie Babbitt Tom Cruise, a callous, self

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centered young hustler who's shocked to discover his lack of

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an inheritance. Left only with his late father's prized rose

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bushes and a vintage forty nine Buick. Charlie soon uncovers

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yet another surprise, an autistic, savant brother Raymond Dustin Hoffmann.

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He never knew he had determined to extort his fair

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share of the family fortune. Charlie abducts his older sibling

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from Walbrook, the institution that has been his home. But

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what begins as an act of selfishness soon evolves into

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a mystical odyssey of camaraderie and self revelation that expands

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the confines of Raymond's narrow world and enables Charlie to

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grow beyond the limits of his hardened heart.

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Speaker 1: Rainman, Rainman, I guess I didn't have to read that

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stuff because you were just going to reread it again

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from the back of the box. About the usc wins.

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Speaker 2: Well, we just really really wanted to nail it down

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so that the listeners really understand exactly what oscars this

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film one, and in my opinion, deservedly so. But we

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can talk about that all right. So, Jason, do you

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remember the first time you saw Rainman. My memories is

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just not as sharp as yours, Bill Bant, but I

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believe I saw this in the theater with my family

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back in nineteen eighty eight, and ever since that first watch,

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I've enjoyed watching it every time after that. I mean,

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so many scenes are memorable, and outside of the Dustin

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Hoffman performance, I recall what really impacted me as a

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kid was Tom Cruise. I still feel to that to

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this day. I mean that it's his best acting. I

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know I'm giving some stuff away already, but besides that,

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you know, I remember when I saw Rainman. I just

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saw a journey between two brothers, self discovery coming about

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and a great soundtrack that I used to play on

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cassette all the time. I definitely owned this film score.

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And this was near or around my introduction to composer

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Hans zimmer Oh. I am a fan of to this day,

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and I do remember Bill Band. After more awareness was

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brought to autism over the years, I recalled that this

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film caught a little criticism for sensationalizing or over dramatizing it.

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But I always really liked this film as a kid

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and watched it repeatedly. So I hadn't seen it in

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a long time, and I was curious as to how

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it would affect me today. So do you remember exactly

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when you saw it Bill Band?

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Speaker 1: I did not see in the theater, but I just remember.

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I mean, it was all over the place when it

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first came out and being a number one movie, and

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everyone was talking about it because I think it was

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around the holidays, and then I led it right into

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the Oscars and then it won the Oscars. I didn't

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catch it until it came out on video cassette and

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rented it. But I think it took me a while

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to watch it because at the time I was not

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a fan of Tom Cruise. But because I had so

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many awards and so many accolades and had been one

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of the biggest movies of the year, I had to.

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Speaker 2: Check it out. Sure, well, there you have it. I

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think that's interesting actually to think about that. You. I

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don't know if I ever knew that about you. Have we?

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I mean, we've discussed mister Cruse in other films on

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this podcast. What have we done? Well, we did risky business,

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of course, But I don't know if you had revealed like, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: The movie that turned me to Tom Cruise, of all

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movies was Days of Thunder. Oh wow, because I always

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felt like he played exactly who this character is in

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this film. That's no character that drove me up the

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wall about him. I always felt like, this is who

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Speaker 2: You thought that this character in Rainman was the one

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he played the most often. That's who he always just

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seemed like to me. Fascinating. Wow, we have a really

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different take. Then, well, maybe I can. I can see that.

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I can see the cockyness aspect for sure. I mean,

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you think about Pete Mitchell, Maverick, Tom Gun cocky, very

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sure of himself. Yeah, okay, well let's talk about it.

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Let's talk about our impressions. Then, all right, what do

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we think of Rainman? Now? Well, why don't we just

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if you don't mind, let's start with the cast. To me,

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when I think of this movie, I immediately go to

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Hoffman and Cruz, of course. And Hoffman wins Best Actor

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for his portrayal of Raymond Babbitt autistic savant. You know,

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we talked about him and our Family Business episode. This

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was the film he did just before that. And I

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think he's excellent in this. And I know about the

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reaction to his portrayal and his take on this and

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how it was written, et cetera. But I feel like

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I have a little bit of better hold of exactly

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what the spectrum is and what autism is. I think

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he's wonderful in this. I don't think he really has

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any false moments outside of maybe playing up a couple

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of moments for the comedy. He was still Dustin Hoffman, right,

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I mean, it's Marathon Man, all the President's Men, Kramer

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versus Kramer TOUTSI up to this point, and I recall

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always just revering him as one of the best actors

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of our generation, and so this was another example of

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that to me. Did you have any particular take on

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his performance watching this as an adult now today.

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Speaker 1: I think he's great in this, And I know there's

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been backlash over the years, but watching him in this,

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anytime he's on screen, and just that look that he

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gives where he just almost looks like he's looking through

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the TV, looking through your living room, or looking through

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the theater every time, every time, He's so consistent on

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everything he does in this movie. I even looked up

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to see who he was against in the Oscar Race.

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oh did you? Of course I forgot how it was.

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the Oscar they started calling Oscar bating, he deserved it.

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some of that backlash has died down now that there's

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make it clear just right off the bat, here is

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an autistic savant, which is a rarity, correct, So that

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is a different type of autism and it's a different

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aspects attached to it. So you know we're talking about

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the oscars. I mean, he was up against some heavy

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hitters Hackman for Mississippi Burning, he got Tom Hanks for

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Big Max Fonsida or Pel the Conqueror, Edward James almost

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for Stand and deliver some really really solid performances in

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great films, but I think he kills it in this

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no false moments and when you talk about his reactions

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like he's seeing he's just staring through television's walls people,

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and the head movements, the physicality, the way he walks,

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the way he carries himself for slouches, or the moments

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when he throws tantrums and things like that. It's scary,

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it's unpredictable. Sometimes it's very sad, and sometimes it's very funny,

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and he just nails all the levels. So yeah, I

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think he deserved the Oscar without question. Every time I

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watch this, I do have a new appreciation for him,

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and I'm more curious to look at his filmography and

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look at the holes and my watching of his films

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like going, I need to see that. I really should

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watch this just for to remind myself how great he is,

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because I just don't see him as much anymore on

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the big screen. Yeah. I agree, he's a great actor

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and so many great performances. This is certainly right up there.

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of the character. You just along with this character on

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this journey with his brother, hoping his brother gets his

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act together and understands the significance of all this. Yeah,

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one thousand percent. The movie is about the brother. That's

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why I wanted to start with the actors and just

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the Tom Cruise piece of this. He of course, portrays

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Charlie Babbitt this wheeler dealer. It was interesting because I

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was trying to recall exactly what his occupation was in

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this film, and then I watched it and I'm like, wait,

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what is exactly that he does. He's buying imported luxury

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sports cars and then he's reselling them, and he gets

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into a little financial trouble We don't need to discuss

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all the details of it, but I figured it out.

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and he doesn't get the inheritance. So this sends him

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on this whole journey to the discovery he has a brother,

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and then goes on the further journey with his brother

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Raymond Babbitt. And I'm gonna stick to my guns on this.

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This is still my favorite performance by Tom Cruise. He's

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coming off Cocktail after this right into Born on the

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fourth of July. Cruz is a very unlikable character in this.

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I was just trying to come up with all the descriptors.

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narcissistic jerk. He's a shady businessman. He's abusive physically and emotionally.

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from the beginning that he's doing a hell of a

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you know, like he's just not likable at all, and

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it's how is he going to transform throughout? And I

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enjoy watching his journey through this, and I have some

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thoughts about that specifically for sure, but I felt like

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this was a maturation for him as an actor, like

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a real stepping stone. He had some real It seemed

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as though he took it very seriously, and he had

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the time, keeping the pace up and trying to keep

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be on the move and make deals all the time.

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I think he looks fantastic in this, maybe the best

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he's ever looked. Still quite young obviously at this time.

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But yeah, maybe I'm biased because I'm a fan as

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a movie star and an actor, But that was my take,

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so I think enough. Obviously, what's in interesting about watching

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this as an adult because you first think of Hoffman

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Tom Cruise's movie, meaning it's really about him. It's about

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what he's going. Don't get me wrong, it's about both

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of the brothers. But you're watching Tom Cruise go through

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the emotional journey, so they didn't know. So I'm very curious. Now,

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what's your take on his performance.

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asshole and some of the circumstances. I understood why he

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a brother and you're treating him like shit, and it

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was driving me crazy. And then his brother would show

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glimmers of something and he'd be intrigued and then treating

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like shit again. Yeah, I'm like, come on, man, try

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no patience with him whatsoever. So that stuff was driving

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me nuts, and all of a sudden everything kind of

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dawned on him. So I just think the road was

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very rocky for him to get to where he was.

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because he is the one that goes through a journey

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from being a self centered asshole to a loving brother

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who really does care for Raymond in the end, but

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he in a way puts Raymond through hell in the process,

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and I did not like that. And there was a

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couple of times I felt like I wanted to kill him. Oh,

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without question, couldn't agree more. I wrote this down, Bill

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ban so you'll see I'm in total agreement with you.

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I wrote this down an hour and nine minutes in.

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And we learn so much about Raymond's excentricity and all

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of his quirks, dealing with the autism and being a savant.

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And then we have Charlie Tom Cruise just his continuous

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struggles adapting to all of Ray's needs. But Charlie just

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doesn't show much growth in the way of empathy or

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connection with Raymond. And for whatever reason, I still find

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myself very engaged as to where the story will lead.

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But you are absolutely right. You don't really see Cruz

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make that turn until the end when he starts to

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when he really starts feeling something and becomes an actual

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empathetic human being. He's just this narcissistic prick throughout that

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is completely self centered and selfish, only worried about his

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own needs.

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Speaker 2: He has a singular goal of making the money in

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order to pay back the creditors, the buyers that he

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owes money to. So it's fascinating that, Yeah, there's these

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little moments of discovery where he's learning things about his brother,

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and those are fascinating, but then he goes right back

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to being a prick until the end, and that's when

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he finally finds love with him himself, that he's actually

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capable of love. And I think that's interesting because we

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do know specifically what you know. We do know why

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he is the way he is because he lost his

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mother when he was two years old, and then he

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left the family. He left his dad when he was sixteen,

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and his dad was a very cold man towards him

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and they hadn't spoken to so he had no relationship

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to his parents and obviously developed a very cold heart

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as a result, and stayed that way for a long time.

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any warmth at all. So that made sense to me,

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jerk for three quarters of the movie.

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Speaker 1: When he tells Susannah the story of why he left

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and the story about the car.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I was like with Susannah, Okay, you stole the car.

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Why did you think he deserved the car? No, because

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you've got decent grades. Yeah, even if you got straight

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a's doesn't mean you get to drive the car unless

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your dad told you if you guts straight a's, i'll

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did you drive the car? If that was part of

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the story and he said I got straight a's in

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the b plus, my dad wouldn't let me drive the car, Okay,

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I mean still what you did was wrong, It's true. Yeah,

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but the whole reason why you separated it from your

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dad was over a car that wasn't yours and you

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felt entitled to drive it. That's not working for me, right,

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that's a great dad stories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If there was more evidence to the fact that

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his dad was like this cruel man that was intimidating

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or overbearing and a perfection demanded perfectionism at all turns,

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and was brutal in different ways, but it sounds like

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he was just more of a disciplinarian that Bruce says

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as much. He says, you know, it was anything I

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did was never it was never good enough. For him,

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And obviously when he took the car for a joy ride,

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his dad reported it stolen and he ended up in jail,

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and his dad left him in jail for two days.

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So that was supposed to be this whole dramatic thing.

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But you're right, it's not quite enough evidence. You would

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think for him to either run away or leave permanently

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and never talk to his dad ever again. Right, So

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I can understand that probably could have used a little

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bit more.

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Speaker 1: I just think I want it more of a like

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a gradual understanding of Raymond instead of of this seems interesting, Raymond,

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drive me crazy, this seems interesting. He would just get

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violent with Raymond or yell at Raymond instead of being

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mad at the whole situation. There's a situation I know

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you'll talk about later when he gets out of the

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car and he's just mad. He's just mad. I get

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that you're frustrated. Your business might be going bankrupt and

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you're stuck driving across country. The situation is terrible. Be

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mad at the situation. Don't be mad at your brother.

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Don't take it out of your brother, who you just

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met that you didn't just me, but who you've just reconnected.

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With after twenty some years, correct, right, that's the stuff

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that was driving me nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very abusive towards Raymond. Yes, and he's brought

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all this up on himself. He doesn't have any patients whatsoever,

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and doesn't seem to really develop any patients except for

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in some small moments and then when they finally get

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to Vegas towards the end, so great points. You're actually

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kind of making me see this a little bit more clearly,

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because that was in the back of my mind upon

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this rewatch, where it was like, hmm, is this a

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little bit one note one or two notes but the

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same notes for about an hour and a half or

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so of a two hour and thirteen minute movie. But

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the thing is, I still just going to admit, and

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maybe it's my bias or my nostalgic attachment to it

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or whatever it might be, that I still find it engaging.

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It didn't bother me to the point where I was

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frustrated with the movie.

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Speaker 1: It's really not until Raymond gets him the money that

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he's able to relax and see the situation and then realize, oh,

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I have a brother, right, And up to that point.

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Speaker 2: He's just an asshole. It's all I can say. Yeah,

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he's an ass driving his own problems. Yeah, you know

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what I was thinking. I was trying to come up

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with a little more insight into this movie before we

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got on to record, and I was thinking about and

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not just spoiler alert. I'm you know, the Vegas sequence.

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I've always loved, and I was thinking even during that part.

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I'm always entertained, but I always love watching it. It's

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fun to watch, but it really is still so self

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serving for Charlie. Yeah, the only reason he's doing it

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is to literally manipulating and using his brother to get

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the money in order to pay back the people he

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needs to pay back. I mean, that's it. He's not

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doing these things for Raymond, getting dressed up and teach

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you just out of love. I mean, I think we

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starts to sense it, but I mean the impetus behind

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it is all self serving for Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't relax and see Raymond as a person

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until he knows his debts are paid off and he's

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gonna be okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, let's if you don't mind, let's move on.

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I just we got to talk about Valeria Galino for

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a moment. Man I just wanted to bring it up

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because I had a huge crush on it. Let's just

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say that as the kid, the eyes, the curly hair,

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the accent Italian, I mean, my goodness, she is adorable.

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She's beautiful. She plays the role of Susannah, Charlie's employee

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slash secretary I guess at this sales company enterprise that

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he's running. And in eighty eight she was in Big

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Top Peewee. Then this then pops up in the Hot

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Shots movies and a few other notables like Leaving Las Vegas,

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Four Rooms, Escape from La Just recently, she popped up

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in the Morning Show for eight episodes in twenty twenty one.

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She's done a lot of Italian cinema over the years.

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But Bill Bann, should she have been a bigger deal?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with no.

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Speaker 2: It was just we didn't. Just kind of a small

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sample size maybe, and that was fine. I don't know.

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I think she had a good run. I did love

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listening to her argue with Charlie all the time. Yeah,

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she just has a great voice for arguing. I did

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enjoy her in it, though. All right, simple enough, Well,

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I'll just jump to one of my complaints then, But

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because this kind of ties in, I think to what

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was saying we're going is she's gorgeous. She is communicative

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and sensitive and emotionally available and all these she seems

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to have all these wonderful qualities. My question is, why

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the hell is she with Charlie Babbitt.

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Speaker 1: That is a good question. She's the one that understands

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the whole situation, it seems like, and she just can't

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get it through Charlie's thick skull. And I mean that's

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why she leaves them for a start of the movie.

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Makes sense for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's singular minded and she has the full perspective

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on what's happening.

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Speaker 1: I felt like she was me in a way, just

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constantly yelling and Charlie like, you got a brother, come

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on right, Yeah, not being an asshole to him.

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Speaker 2: Kidnapping him and holding him ransom and hostage is not

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the way to go. No, that's a straight up kidnapping. Yeah,

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for sure, doctor was pretty calm about not sending the

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police after ran. Well, that's the thing is, I had

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a big question about that. I understand that it is

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explained halfway through the movie that Raymond Babbitt is at

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Walbrook voluntarily, but still there's formalities like if you're taking

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him out of the facility, you'd have to sign you

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have signed something, some paperwork. You can't just literally walk

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out with him and then not come back. I would

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just surprise. There's no law enforcement involved at all. Nobody's

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coming calling the cops or anything. It just seems a

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little odd to me.

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Speaker 1: How can he be there voluntarily if he can't make

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decisions like who would volunteering question two?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he couldn't go to the doctor and say

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all right, I'm done, I went out. I want my

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own place. He can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was a little confused as to some

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of those logistics in the legality of all that. For sure.

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I wanted to give a quick shout out to the

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DP director of photography, John Seal, shooting this film. I

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think this movie looks great. But it's interesting because I

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guess I wasn't paying attention before because I gave him

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a shout out on our the Hitcher pod what And

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I don't know if I mentioned it on that pod,

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but you know, he was the cinematographer for Witness the

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Hitcher Dead Poet Society the Firm, The English Patient, one

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of the Harry Potter movies, Mad Max, Fury Road Only

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to name a few. John Seal is a stud I

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don't know why I wasn't studying his filmography when we

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did The Hitcher, and I was just like, this guy

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knows how to shoot a movie. But here we have

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another road trip movie that looks gorgeous and just makes

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me want to move back to the Midwest immediately because

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he makes the countryside look so peaceful and serene and

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I just want to go on a road trip. I

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love the way he shot this. Definitely knows how to

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shoot those country landscapes, so giving him a shout out again.

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Speaker 1: Definitely knows how to shoot them. Definitely knows how to shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the iconic shots from this movie are so memorable,

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with Raymond and Charlie walking down that drive in the

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middle of the trees at the Wallbrook facility. It's on

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the poster, it's on the VHS bock. It's a wonderful shot.

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Any of those shots of the brothers.

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Speaker 1: In the opening when the Ferraris are coming in and

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they reflector oh yeah, and the Ico iico is playing,

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It was like, oh, yep, that was a Mendela effect

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I thought, for I Go played during the Vegas scene,

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not the opening.

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Speaker 2: Oh there you go. Well that's great because it's a

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perfect segue into the next thing I want to talk about,

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and that's Hans Zimmer with the soundtrack and the lyrical

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music as well, including Icoiico, But let's just talk about that.

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Icoico also featured during the opening credit sub mission Impossible

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to the John wu film when you have Cruise doing

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the rock climbing at the very opening the cold open

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another Cruise movie, same song. But yeah, this is when

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I start to learn about Hans Zimmer, when I really

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get turned on to him. It's a really interesting soundtrack.

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I love it. It feels like it little has like

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a little bit of an Asian influence, and you can

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really hear some commonality with this score in the Black

473
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,680
Rain score that comes shortly after this, which I'm also

474
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,079
a big fan of. But I guess director Barry Levinson

475
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,319
specifically instructed Zimmer to avoid strings in his score, as

476
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:57,319
he felt it would make the film too sentimental. Stepping

477
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,880
on some trivia already, But dude, I used to listen

478
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,160
this all the time. I cassette Koiico. My one of

479
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,839
my favorite tracks is dry Bones. Man. I love that song.

480
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640
That's a fun one in all the Bones. So yeah,

481
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,799
I really enjoyed the score and the soundtrack for this. Yeah.

482
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: I think I was kind of surprised to see his

483
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,039
name in the credit because I didn't really remember the

484
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,480
music that much. So I'm really sure I paid attention

485
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,599
to it, because yeah, all I remember it was like Oiko,

486
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,480
but not in the right spot of course. And yeah,

487
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,319
I really did enjoy it. I liked it a lot.

488
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: Cool cool, Yeah, I was just going to talk about

489
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,519
the I actually thought the writing was outside of these

490
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:39,279
complaints we may have revealed already, I did like the

491
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,920
fact these characters are so specific. I enjoyed There's so

492
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,359
many great lines, some quotable. I mean, it's a quotable film. Clearly.

493
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,240
There's something I caught in the beginning of the film.

494
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:50,799
I don't know if you caught this as well, but

495
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,599
Charlie in the beginning when he was with the lawyer

496
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,519
and they read the will and trust, and he clearly

497
00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:01,079
is not getting the three million dollars or the money

498
00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:04,480
that he feels he deserves and that it's being given

499
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:07,839
to a beneficiary. Instead, he learns he's just getting the

500
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,000
buick and he's getting the rose bushes, and he's being

501
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,200
very sarcastic and talking to the lawyer and saying, well,

502
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,319
I definitely got the rose bushes. I definitely got the

503
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,519
rose bushes, which is exactly how Raymond speaks later on,

504
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,240
said I'm definitely not wearing any underwear, you know, Like,

505
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,680
so I hadn't caught that before. I thought that was smart.

506
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: I didn't catch it on the first viewing. I think

507
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,559
I caught it on the second or third. I literally

508
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:37,359
replayed this movie almost all day one day, okay, cool,

509
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:40,640
just trying to catch bits and pieces here and there

510
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:42,960
throughout the day. I would kind of be doing work

511
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,880
around the house and then I would walk in the

512
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,359
living room and catch a scene and really break it down.

513
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,960
And it was one of those times, Yeah, the lawyer's

514
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,880
reading the letter and I chuckled. I'm like, oh, yeah, definitely, yeah,

515
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,799
definitely definitely doing that. Definitely definitely doing that.

516
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 2: Yep. I thought that was great. So I did have

517
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,039
an appreciation for the writing. Obviously it did win the Oscar.

518
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440
But I'm just going to say, kind of in wrapping

519
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,519
up my impressions here. As an adult watching this, I

520
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:12,240
still love going on the journey with the characters. I

521
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,039
did find Cruz's portrayal of Charlie Babbitt to be even

522
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:19,240
more jarring but more believable. Feels like that he was

523
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,000
living it, and it definitely feels like it's his movie.

524
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240
His arc hits all the dramatic levels, and I feel

525
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,000
well directed by Levinson. This is our third film by him.

526
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Bill Bant, we did Diner and we did Good Morning Vietnam.

527
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,319
Obviously an important director. He's a little hit or missed

528
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,440
for me once he gets into the two thousands. But

529
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,000
I didn't know if you had any opinion on the direction.

530
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:43,079
Speaker 1: Parry Levin said at one time, if I just saw

531
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,039
his name as a part of the movie, I gotta

532
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,759
see this. Yeah, I just saw it. Everything he touched

533
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,799
was gold. Even though I didn't give Good Morning Vietnam

534
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:56,599
the greatest reviews when we discussed it, but everything else

535
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,960
from the eighties, I really enjoyed his work. But yeah,

536
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,279
he fell off a cliff. That was tough. He's one

537
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,519
of those directors all of a sudden, just nothing was

538
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,079
working for him. Yeah, and I'm one of those few

539
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,279
and I'd love to bring it up anytime I can. Toys.

540
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,720
I love toys, I really do. Okay, it's not a

541
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,039
good that third act sucks, but it's one of those movies.

542
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,519
The music and the visuals just really work for me,

543
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,519
and I.

544
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,799
Speaker 2: Just enjoy it.

545
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: And it's just so weird. It's just such a weird movie,

546
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,640
and he took a chance with it and I really

547
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,000
appreciated that, and it's just so something out of his wheelhouse.

548
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,200
But yeah, I mean, this one, in a sense is

549
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,880
pretty straightforward. You know, it's a road trip. You're getting

550
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400
from point A to point B. I mean for the characters,

551
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,920
for the journey and everything. But you're engaged, and that's

552
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,319
what you want. You want to be engaged in the audience,

553
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:46,359
and this is what that movie does. It engages you

554
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440
and you want to see what happens at the end

555
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,799
because you don't really know where it's going to go, right, Like,

556
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:52,599
we know they're trying to get the Los Angeles, But

557
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,880
how is Cruz going to solve these problems? Does he

558
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720
really think he's going to be able to use his

559
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,480
brother there is pawn to get money and what's his

560
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,079
brother going through in this whole trip? Here he is

561
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,200
every day doing something that's different from the last. What

562
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:13,359
he's saying he was a Wilbruck from fifteen twenty years

563
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Oh right, yeah, yeah, at least yep having to change

564
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680
his routine and what does that really do to him?

565
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,559
Does he even realize what's going on?

566
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? Very interesting there. I mean, Raymond goes through some

567
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:29,720
very traumatic moments. Yes, extremely brutal for him. So I

568
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,680
don't know what kind of long term effects that would have,

569
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,599
but he gets put through it by Charlie and you

570
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,240
were talking about, you know, this being a straightforward road

571
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,519
trip movie, and Wikipedia calls it a road comedy drama film.

572
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,400
I recall watching this as younger and laughing out loud

573
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,839
at so many moments and thinking it was very lighthearted

574
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:54,559
in moments and funny, and that the comedy really was substantial,

575
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,079
not so much watching it as an adult. I was

576
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,480
going to ask you that do you feel that this

577
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:01,559
should be even be called a comedy at all? I

578
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,119
feel like it's road trip drama. I think it has

579
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,799
levity in moments, but it just didn't feel as comical.

580
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:12,039
Speaker 1: I guess because at the time we didn't really know

581
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,519
that much about autism and what right, we thought so.

582
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,319
I think it was more of the situations how he

583
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,200
looked at things, and we just found it funny, like, oh,

584
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,480
that's someone looking at something different. But I think now

585
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:25,720
because we know, well, there's still a long way to

586
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,559
go when it comes to autism and the spectrum.

587
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,759
Speaker 2: And all that. But I think it was more just

588
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,640
laughing because you were uncomfortable. Absolutely, and I as a kid,

589
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,440
I was just ignorant, so ignorant, and just everybody was naive.

590
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:42,200
And yeah, in a way.

591
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: This movie helped bring autism to the public. Did I

592
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,319
know anybody with autism before I saw this movie?

593
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:48,519
Speaker 2: No?

594
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,519
Speaker 1: Have I met so many people with autism since. Yes,

595
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,640
And I'm sure when that's listened to it too, is

596
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:57,359
know someone that's autistic. It's something we didn't know. We

597
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,400
didn't know back then in the eighties. I think we

598
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,960
could all be the spectrum to a certain extent. Who knows,

599
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,279
it's possible, still learning, still learning about it. Did you

600
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,720
have anything else regarding impressions today watching rain Man? No,

601
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,720
I think that's it. I think we can move into

602
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,319
favorite scenes or moments, so let's talk about that. What

603
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,359
are some of our favorite scenes of moments from a

604
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,880
rain Man take some what he got.

605
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned Bill Bant. There's a scene in

606
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,160
particular where Tom Cruise just has to pull the buick

607
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400
over and get out and do some yelling, and that's

608
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,640
one of my first favorite scenes. This is where I

609
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:33,559
actually found it funny, his yelling, his exasperation, his frustration

610
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,720
with Charlie in the entire situation, because he's just had

611
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
it up. I mean, he's gone through ivan, he's trying everything,

612
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,519
and it's nothing's been working. And Charlie clearly has a

613
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,400
lot of needs, and whether it's the fact that he

614
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,519
can't fly, or he can't drive on the freeway because

615
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,039
it's too dangerous and he needs to watch Judge Wepmer

616
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,920
and People's Court at six pm in Night's Out by eleven,

617
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,200
all these things, it's just making travel very difficult for Charlie.

618
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,559
So at this one point we are on the road

619
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:04,880
in the middle of the country, and yet this is

620
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,680
the classic line where you have Raymond just look down

621
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,400
and say, of course, I'm not wearing any underwear, and

622
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,880
it's really funny. It's just funny because I hope I

623
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,319
said that right. Raymond's the one saying that, and Charlie's like,

624
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,200
what are you talking about? It gave you a fresh

625
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,160
parent of my own underwear to put on today. It's like, no,

626
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,519
I can't can't wear those. I need to wear boxer shorts.

627
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,000
I have my own boxer shorts. They're from Kmart. My

628
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,480
name is on them. Those are the only of course

629
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,400
Charlie has does not understand. But it's another one of

630
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,240
those famous lines from this when Raymond keeps repeating, no,

631
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:42,039
I'm definitely not wearing any underwear, and finally Charlie pulls

632
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,519
the car over. So I love that moment when he

633
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,799
gets out, because you just have Raymond who wouldn't let

634
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,759
he can't. He just keeps repeating himself, saying, I have

635
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,599
to get go to Kmart. We got a cod to

636
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Kmart's in Cincinnati, and he keeps saying the address over again,

637
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,720
but of course Charlie keeps saying, we're not there. We'll

638
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,880
get boxer shorts. It's our boxer shorts wherever you buy

639
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,920
them in Cincinnati or wherever. And my favorite thing is

640
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,400
you probably know Bill Bant as well. We know this

641
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,119
is one of our friends, Marwana Jersey. One of his

642
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,759
favorite things is when Tom Cruise gets upset, he goes

643
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,000
to a higher register. His voice goes so high. That's

644
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,960
when you know he's really mad. But when he yells that,

645
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,880
and his voice just keeps going higher and higher wherever

646
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,359
you buy them in Cincinnati or wherever, then you just

647
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,599
hear Raymond go Kmart. It's just I laughed out loud

648
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,599
at that. So I always i'd love that scene, and

649
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,720
it made me laugh again watching it today.

650
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,119
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Charlie can't win even if they pull it

651
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,359
up to another kmart. Oh yeah, something with oh yeah, right,

652
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,160
that's what he's dealing with. And that scene of frustration

653
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:53,079
doesn't bother me as much because he does bring into

654
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,880
the hole. We shouldn't even be in this car driving.

655
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:57,799
You should be on a plane. Yeah, you should be

656
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:59,680
get there. It's more, it's more of the situation. It's

657
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,759
not so much Raymond. But yes, Raymond is frustrating him

658
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,200
because you can't give him an inch and you can't

659
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,599
figure out how to get that inch out of him.

660
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:09,639
I think he does the right thing by just pulling

661
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,519
over and just venting. Just vent right, get back in

662
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,760
the car and move on. Nothing you can do for

663
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,519
a certain place.

664
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: With that great shot of them the car driving off,

665
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,000
and from behind you see Charlie just throw his underwear

666
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,280
up in the air out of the car. Because the

667
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,079
great thing is Raymond never put on the pair of

668
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,880
Vender where he had it in his jacket pocket the

669
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,639
whole time. It's great, I think for us, we say

670
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,840
the same.

671
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: Next favorite scene and that's when we find out why

672
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,840
the name of the movie is titled rain Man. Yeah,

673
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:48,119
it's probably one of the first times that Charlie has

674
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,719
the time to actually pay attention to Raymond and try

675
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,199
to have some kind of bond with him. They're talking,

676
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,880
I think they're talking. Then it was that Charlie goes

677
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,840
to put on the tub and Raymond has the freak out.

678
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,360
Of course, it scares the crap out of Charlie and

679
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,400
turns the water off. And that's when ray Band says

680
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,719
rain Man. And that's when Charlie's like, oh, that's what

681
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,039
I used to say because I couldn't say Raymond. And

682
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:14,719
then he asked about the song that I used to

683
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,079
sing to him, and then that's when Charlie realizes it

684
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,280
is like, oh, wow, I did not necessarily know my brother,

685
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,000
but my brother was around at one point and I

686
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,599
was the reason why he was sent away for the

687
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,000
wrong reason, because the father thought he was trying to

688
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,760
burn Charlie as a baby in the hot water, when actually,

689
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,239
in actuality, he was trying to get Charlie out of

690
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,519
the tub from getting burned.

691
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,599
Speaker 2: This scene is loaded. It's a great call. This has

692
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,159
to be, especially after what we were just talking about

693
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:45,039
where this movie surprisingly had me feeling a lot more

694
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:48,320
tension in me, Like as I was watching it, I

695
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,320
was getting tense and I found it anxiety inducing because

696
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,599
Charlie is just so full of frustration, rage, just always

697
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,039
trying to like he's an angry person. He's an angry,

698
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:05,480
angry young man, and Charlie's not going to change and

699
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:07,920
they're just going to be button heads the entire time.

700
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,079
So when this happens in the movie, it's a nice break.

701
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,000
It's like a breath of fresher because it gets very quiet,

702
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,159
and I noted in the scene it's very silent. There's

703
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,719
no score in the background, and they're in the bathroom.

704
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,440
And I love all the moments you named, and I'm

705
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:26,119
just going to reiterate them. When you have Raymond with

706
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:29,679
his wallet, I believe Charlie finds the photo he sees

707
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,960
a photo of Raymond with him. I thought the photoshop

708
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,800
actually looked pretty good in that too, because Raymond is

709
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,760
significantly older. Then Charlie puts two and two together. He's like, oh,

710
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,800
you're the rain Man, was it? Because I was misspoke

711
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,280
and said you're name wrong? And Raymond keeps saying yeah, yeah,

712
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,880
and he sings the Lullaby, which is actually the song

713
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,840
I Saw You Standing There, which is a great song.

714
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,920
And it's just such a bittersweet moment and it's finally

715
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,760
this connection. But this look of calm and realization that

716
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,440
comes over Cruz's face in that moment, I absolutely love.

717
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,000
And yeah, when it turns on that hot water, Wow,

718
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,800
I'll never forget it. That scene still bothers me today.

719
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,800
It still jolts me, even though I know it's coming.

720
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,960
When Hoffman starts screaming hot water, burn baby, hot water

721
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,159
burn baby, another quote heard from the film. Then when

722
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,840
he calms down and figures out, oh, that's why you

723
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,079
were sent away because they thought you were going to

724
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,400
hurt me. It's very tender. It's a very tender scene.

725
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,480
And this is where the love story really kind of begins,

726
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,039
I think for me. And there's a really quiet kind

727
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,880
of period on the scene where you hear Raymond saying, Hey,

728
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,199
it won't hurt Charlie. I wouldn't hurt Charlie. Wouldn't hurt Charlie,

729
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,760
or something to that effect. I would never hurt Yeah,

730
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,639
Charlie Babbitt, Charliebbitt, I wouldn't hurt Charlie Bbbitt. And Charlie

731
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,639
is like, what are you saying? And he hears him

732
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:54,079
say that, and it's almost it's almost heartbreaking in the

733
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,880
moment because it's all coming together here. It's an important scene.

734
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,119
It's necessary at that point in the movie to kind

735
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:04,000
of relieve all that tension and stress your feeling going

736
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,199
on this trip with these two trying to get through

737
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,440
it all. So it's a wonderful scene. Yeah, well acted

738
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,079
by both of them. They have a great chemistry. I

739
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,320
think they work well off of one another. Yeah, I

740
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,639
agree with that for sure. And lastly, favorite scenes Vegas.

741
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,679
There's so many things point out with your highlights from

742
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,559
Vegas that you'd like from Yeah, well, let's just start

743
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,360
with the montage. Let's get all dressed up and go gambling,

744
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,639
and when they're getting fitted for the suits and you know,

745
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,480
the iconic shot is coming, and it's the shot of

746
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,039
the Babbitt brothers coming down the escalator in their silver suits,

747
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,320
dressed to the nines, looking sharp as hell. And they

748
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,079
clean up good and they hit the tables and I

749
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,840
you know when they start playing blackjack, and what is it?

750
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,199
One is for good, two is for bad? Is it?

751
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,760
Do I have it backwards? They have their communication as

752
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,000
far as counting cards, and they're going to make a

753
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480
lot of money doing so. But there's one little moment

754
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,360
here where they start playing cards and you see obviously

755
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,920
they're winning and winning and winning, and then the crowd

756
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,199
gathers around the table and everybody's cheering for them, and

757
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,239
it's awesome. We always love this, right Bill bandon any

758
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,559
gambling movie, when they're on a hot streak and they're winning,

759
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,400
that people gather on the table. It's like if it's

760
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,639
a craps table, blackchipe, dat doesn't matter. But they wracking

761
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,639
it up and the dealer at one point says, you're

762
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,400
doing well, I'm happy for you. And it's such a

763
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,599
dry delivery. I laugh out loud every time he says that,

764
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:31,199
because everybody's so heightened and excited. And then you're doing well.

765
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,000
I'm happy for you. It's just so quiet. I'm going

766
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,840
to get fired. Tip me well before you leave, right

767
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,679
the house is losing its ass right now. Yeah, so

768
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,480
that's the first first part is of course, including that

769
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,719
shot of them ConA on the escalator. I love, I

770
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,239
love that excitement. Yeah.

771
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: I think my two highlights are when Raymond gets up

772
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,199
from the table for the wheel, and of course Charlie's

773
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,360
upset because they're in a hot streak. But then when

774
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,519
Raymond starts saying, yeah, twenty, definitely bet on twenty, and

775
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,360
Charlie thinks, oh, he can somehow read the wheel too,

776
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,199
and puts down three thousand dollars and you even think

777
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:08,559
as an audience matter of the first time, it's like,

778
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,519
oh my god, he's gonna hit on the wheel, and

779
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,199
right the twenty passes and it hits I think one

780
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,519
or whatever, and he's like, oh, oh, I find that funny.

781
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:21,000
But I think at that point you just believe almost

782
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,880
Raymond has magic powers that he can just beat Vegas.

783
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:29,239
And then my second favorite moment from that is Raymond

784
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,519
having the dance with Susanna and the elevator. I love

785
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:35,559
that scene, very tender moment because Susan always just kneels

786
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,440
for him, and the fact that she gives him that

787
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,199
dance that he really thought he was going to get

788
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:42,719
with the call girl Iris.

789
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iris, you have to meet Iris ten o'clock. Ten o'clock. Yeah,

790
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,000
couldn't agree more, my friend. I'm going to take it

791
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,800
a step back and go to the dancing sequence between

792
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,679
ray and Charlie. It's a beautiful thing. Ray gets the

793
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,400
big fancy Sweet. Well, Charlie treats him to the big

794
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,320
fancy sweet, puts the bed by the way, and Raymond

795
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,239
wants to learn how to dance because he's going to

796
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,159
have this hot date with the prostitute Iris at ten

797
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,679
and they put on the classic song at Last Atta James,

798
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,360
and Charlie teaches Raymond how to dance. It's very simple.

799
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,760
It's a beautiful love scene between brothers which ends in

800
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,599
a very jarring moment because Charlie just wants to give

801
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,719
him a hug and Raymond is just not used to that.

802
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,000
It's interesting when you brought up. When they're down at

803
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,480
the tables and such, and they gambling and they go

804
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,800
over to the wheel. It starts with, of course Raymond

805
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,800
being distracted. He sees the wheel. But we as an

806
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,519
audience know this. We're learning along the way. We know

807
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,599
he's autistic, and we know he's a savant, and we

808
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,639
know that there are certain things that are going to

809
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,239
catch his eye most likely. The frustrating thing is it

810
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,079
seems like Charlie's not learning at all. So then they

811
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:51,079
go over to the wheel and they lose three thousand

812
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,960
dollars And I hate Charlie so much in this moment

813
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,159
because he gets really pissed at Raymond for, you know,

814
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,199
dropping three grand on that wheel, and I'm like, dude,

815
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,199
he just won you like eighty six thousand dollars. He's

816
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,000
being really selfish, but it seems as though he just

817
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:07,880
hasn't learned anything as to why he even went to

818
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,239
the wheel in the first place. He should be understanding

819
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,199
of that anyway. The dance sequence in the elevator between

820
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,639
Susanne and Raymond is beautiful, and then it ends with

821
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,559
them allowing Raymond to drive the buick around the fountain

822
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,360
and circles and run drive it up on the curb.

823
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,800
That was fun. Yeah.

824
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,679
Speaker 1: I have the note though with the hug scene, Charlie

825
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,559
came in too fast. That was the problems. Yeah, he

826
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:36,880
was giving him that bro hug, that tough like he

827
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,559
just goes in hard. Yeah, I agree, He's just slowed

828
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,440
down a little bit on that one. It's like, no,

829
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,840
wonder why I freaked out. I think I would have

830
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,760
freaked out someone trying to hug me that fast. And

831
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,800
that's what I'm saying. He doesn't seem to learn, Like

832
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,840
I was thinking to myself, Oh, well, okay, you went

833
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,440
in too hard.

834
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,079
Speaker 2: You made a mistake. Raymond freaked out then slowed down,

835
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,719
be like, hey man, can I give you a hug.

836
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,360
I'm just going to bring you in softly and give

837
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,000
you a hug and be tender, and that would have

838
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,199
been nice. But he just kind of walks away going

839
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,800
feeling dejected, right of all, like Charlie's feeling dejected, I know.

840
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,159
Speaker 1: Treating like dirt for five days straight.

841
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: No. That entire Vegas portion of the film, though, is great. Yeah,

842
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
all right. Trying to move on to Swiss Cheese and

843
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,719
complaint department, and why do we call it Swiss cheese?

844
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,440
Because although this movie is delicious, it does have toothpick.

845
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: Holes, yes, and it doesn't have those toothpick holes. We

846
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,199
just file complaint with the complaint department. So, Jason, what

847
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,079
do you have for Swiss cheese or complaints?

848
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: I think we've covered most of mine. We talked about

849
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,039
the kidnapping. That's pretty tough. You're taking a patient out

850
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,320
of a mental facility, voluntary or not, there would be

851
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,920
somebody would be called in. You have to believe Tom

852
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Cruise smoking in this movie or not smoking. I think

853
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,559
we see him take one puff, maybe two puffs off

854
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:55,719
a cigarette throughout this. I'm not sure why they even

855
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,360
had him smoking. It's just kind of weird seeing him

856
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,440
smoke or not smoke. The first scene you see him

857
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,800
with a lit cigarette hanging in an ashtray. He never

858
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,519
takes a pop off it. It's literally just smoking in

859
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,559
his face and Raymond's. So those are just a couple

860
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,960
of things. What do you have for Swiss cheese and

861
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:13,880
or complaints?

862
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: I have two things. The first thing is okay, So

863
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,079
we find out that Charlie inherits the car and the

864
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,280
rose bushes and he needs money correct sell the car.

865
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,800
There's some money for you, obviously. Obviously day I didn't

866
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,480
even think of it.

867
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,599
Speaker 2: Originally wasn't taking it to Las Vegas because he was

868
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:34,280
gonna fly. So what was he gonna do with the

869
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:34,800
car anyway.

870
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you get anything for the roses, but

871
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,119
I'm sure you can get something for the car to

872
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:40,920
kind of get you over for a little bit.

873
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how much that's great, but I never

874
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,280
even never even crossed my mind. It's a great call.

875
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,559
Speaker 1: The second thing this really weird at me out.

876
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

877
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:53,079
Speaker 1: So the scene when they're on the highway and Raymond

878
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,880
freaks out, so they decide, Okay, you're going to walk

879
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,679
in front of the car and we're gonna get off

880
00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:59,079
the ramp and then we'll take.

881
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,679
Speaker 2: The side roads.

882
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: So there's an overhead shot of them coming off the

883
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,199
off ramp with Raymond in the front, and I swear,

884
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:10,360
the way the lines are drawn that car should drive

885
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:12,840
head on into oncoming traffic.

886
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,559
Speaker 2: Gets me every time. Okay, you saw it too, hilarious.

887
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,840
It's hilarious that you point that up. It's one of

888
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,159
those weird nitpicky things that bothers me every time I

889
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,519
see the movie. The way those street lines are painted

890
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,719
on there, it's as if it's a merging lane not

891
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,519
going into its own lane. Did they shoot reverse because

892
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,159
they're really supposed to be going onto the ramp, and

893
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,760
just for the film, they just shot it backwards, so

894
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,559
they're coming off the ramp because the way the line's drawn,

895
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,039
it's drawn to go into that car that's coming the

896
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,920
other way. Right. Yeah, it's making me edgy. Okay, I'm

897
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,760
glad we saw it too. That's amazing. I'm glad we

898
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,079
both picked up on that. That's funny. Yeah. I get

899
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,079
anxious every time I see that. I'm like, are they

900
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,800
going into oncoming traffic? What's happening? I was sick in

901
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,960
the same thing. I was wondering.

902
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,519
Speaker 1: I was like, did he do that just to get

903
00:45:58,519 --> 00:45:59,079
off the road?

904
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,559
Speaker 2: Such a weird little thing. Okay, I'm glad we bossed

905
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,400
all that time. Move on to Hey, it's that actor?

906
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:07,840
All right?

907
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,159
Speaker 1: So in this segment we spotlight a character actor you

908
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:12,519
have seen in many other films, an actor in making

909
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,880
their big screen debut, or an actor that makes an

910
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,239
uncredited cameo. It's Hey, it's that actor. Who do we

911
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,239
choose this week?

912
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 2: This week we chose for our Hey, it's that actor

913
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,880
Beth Grant, who plays mother at Farmhouse. Beth is an

914
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,800
American character actress from Alabama. Her trademarks are her southern accent.

915
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,519
She almost always plays someone who is arrogant, conservative, a

916
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,639
stickler to rules, or even downright evil. Her eighties is

917
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,559
very brief. She didn't really start working regularly until the

918
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,920
mid to late eighties. She did some single episodes of TV,

919
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,440
then rain Man here in eighty eight, and that's all

920
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,360
she wrote until she starts working more prolifically in the nineties.

921
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,800
She does flat Liners in nineteen ninety, Child's Play two,

922
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,679
also in ninety the Dark Half in ninety three, seventeen

923
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,880
episodes of the show Delta with Delta, Birk City Slickers too,

924
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,760
the Legend of Curly's Gold in ninety four. Then the

925
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,239
movie that I recognize her from immediately would be Speed

926
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,800
in nineteen ninety four. She portrays Helen. She's the woman

927
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,079
that jumps the gun, tries to get off the bus

928
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:16,639
too soon, steps down and it explodes and she's dragged

929
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,519
underneath the bus. And that's brutal. That's an awful scene.

930
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:24,159
But every time that comes up in that movie, I'm like, lady, stop, dude,

931
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,039
what are you doing. Don't get off? Then we know

932
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,280
what happens. Into the two thousands. Other notables she has

933
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,719
our Donnie Darko, Pearl Harbor, Rockstar, The Rookie, ten episodes

934
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,239
of the show Jericho. She's the voice of Bonnie and Rango.

935
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,239
She does seventy nine episodes of The Mini Project as Beverly.

936
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,360
She was in Goliath with a Billy Bob, eighteen episodes

937
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,760
of Dollface A Little Trivia. She's appeared in four films

938
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,199
that have been nominated for the Best Picture Oscar, We

939
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,719
Know This rain Man obviously, Little Miss Sunshine in two

940
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thousand and six, No Country for Old Men in two

941
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,360
thousand and seven, and The Artist in twenty eleven. With

942
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,880
the exception of Little Miss Sunshine, all of those films

943
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,239
in that category. This is kind of fun because she

944
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,760
can portray her looks a little bit older. She's only

945
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,920
four and a half years older than Dennis Quaid, who

946
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,639
plays her son in The Rookie, and then later on

947
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,239
she's only nine years older than Kevin Bacon playing his

948
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,320
mother in the twenty twenty five show The Bondsman. Wow. Yeah,

949
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,159
Beth Grant, she was definitely one of those I know,

950
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,480
I've seen her in something else and I couldn't think

951
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,559
of it, and I'm like, all right, Jason Raddley's off

952
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,719
let's see what it is, and yeah, it was speed

953
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,880
and let him miss Sunshine. I do remember in that

954
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,039
one too. There you go.

955
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Okay, time to move on to facts and trivia. What

956
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,000
are some facts and trivia we have about Rainman.

957
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 2: For in flight viewing? Several airlines deleted the sequence in

958
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:44,679
which Raymond Babbitts reels off statistics on airline accidents, except Quantis.

959
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,079
They even promoted one of the movie's writers to first

960
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,639
class once he traveled on their airline. What Raymond babbitt

961
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,679
says about Quantus was and still is true from nineteen

962
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:57,880
twenty one to twenty twenty five. Quantis has never lost

963
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,519
any jet airliners, and there is a distinction there by

964
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:05,119
the way. The distinction is jet airliners. Quantus did lose

965
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:10,639
some propeller planes earlier in their histories, but specifically jet airliners,

966
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:11,760
they have never lost any.

967
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: All right, only because you mentioned this character earlier that

968
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,280
I have this fun fact about him. So the blackjack

969
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,599
dealer at Caesar's Palace is named Nick Mizzola, and he

970
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,599
was also the war dealer in the movie Vegas Vacation,

971
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,079
as well as a dealer in the movie Casino. In

972
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,119
real life, Nick was a blackjack dealer at Caesar's Palace

973
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,719
in the seventies and eighties.

974
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,639
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you. Dustin Hoffman spent a lot of

975
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,840
time with savant Kim Peak, the inspiration for the character

976
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,880
of Raymond Rainman. Writer Barry Morrow first met Peak in

977
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,519
nineteen eighty six, and, on winning an Oscar for the

978
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,280
screenplay for this movie in nineteen eighty nine, gave his

979
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,880
Oscar trophy to Kim Peak. Hoffman made Kim's father the

980
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,719
main caregiver, a promise that he would share Kim with

981
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,679
the world. For nearly twenty years until his death, Kim

982
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,679
Peek went all over the world, impressing people with his

983
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,519
incredible memory and ability to recall minute details from centuries

984
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:12,360
of history.

985
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: The Amarillo, Texas motel scene was actually filmed at the

986
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,559
Big Eight Motel in al Reno, Oklahoma. The motel maintained

987
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,639
the sign used in the film that read Amarillo's Finest

988
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,360
before the motel closed down. Guests sometimes requested to stay

989
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,159
in the same room where Raymond and Charlie stayed, Room

990
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,599
one point seventeen. The motel has since been demolished.

991
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: Hmmm, this is a fun one. I'll bring up last,

992
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,360
but not least just for the listeners that are familiar

993
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,960
to this film. When I think they're I don't know

994
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,360
what town they're in, but when they're driving cross country,

995
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,280
Charlie brings Raymond to a doctor really trying to figure

996
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,960
out what's going on with his autism. And there's an

997
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,920
old man that just keeps talking in the waiting room,

998
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:58,079
and I have this too. It's so great. The elderly

999
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:00,039
man in the waiting room who talks on and on

1000
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,199
about the Pony Express is Byron P. Kavnar, an eighty

1001
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,719
nine year old local who was in the waiting room

1002
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,920
when the crew arrived to film there. He got to

1003
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,000
talking on his favorite subject, the Pony Express, and director

1004
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,480
Barry Levinson got such a kick out of it that

1005
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,079
he let Kavnar keep on talking as the cameras rolled.

1006
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,639
All his dialogue was spontaneous and not scripted. I love that. Yeah.

1007
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,159
It was like I said, I was watching this all

1008
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,199
day long, and I walked in on this and I

1009
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,320
just sat down and just listened to him. I didn't

1010
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,000
pay attention to anything. I'm like, what is this guy

1011
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,440
talking about? Why is he here? What the hell is

1012
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,920
going on? It was cracking me up.

1013
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: So I was so happy to find that information because like, oh,

1014
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,679
I feel so much better.

1015
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,599
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. If you know it, you know it. He

1016
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:47,719
doesn't stop talking. He talks over Dustin Hoffman. He just

1017
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,280
keeps telling the story, and I'm engrossed by it. Like

1018
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,360
if I were there, I'd probably just be let him talk.

1019
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,400
And I'm just like he seemed to be in the

1020
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,639
know about the Pony Express. Let's put it that way.

1021
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,639
Speaker 1: Last thing, this could have been a handsoen actor, but

1022
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,400
so Bonnie Hunt plays a waitress who dropped the toothpicks

1023
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,880
in two forty six. But I found this nugget funny.

1024
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,360
So she ends up co starring with Tom Cruise a

1025
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,559
decade later, and Jerry maguire and Cruise forgot that they

1026
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,159
had worked on Rainman together.

1027
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: Oh, he had to have been a little embarrassed by that.

1028
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,679
I'm sure this being her, it's her debut. If I'm

1029
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,679
not masedy, Yeah, I believe. So I do like Bonnie Hunt,

1030
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,400
I do too.

1031
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,599
Speaker 1: It was funny because she's so recognizable, but I blanked.

1032
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,000
I can't think of anything else that she was in,

1033
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,519
and then I was like, holy crap. Jerry McGuire Jesus.

1034
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,840
Maybe maybe that makes sense why Tom Cruise couldn't remember either.

1035
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say she had a sitcom or

1036
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,480
a show. I don't know. Yeah, I thought she had

1037
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:47,639
a last TV show so long, but she got a

1038
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,960
show at some point. That's what I thought, all right.

1039
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Moving on to box office, Rainman hit theaters on December sixteenth,

1040
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,320
nineteen eighty eight, opening wide in twelve hundred and forty

1041
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,000
eight locations with a budget of twenty five million. The

1042
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:02,920
movie was a box office success, pulling in one hundred

1043
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,599
and seventy two point eight million across North America and

1044
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:09,960
another two hundred and thirty nine point nine million internationally.

1045
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,760
It opened at number two at the box office, but

1046
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,039
climbed to number one in its third week, earning even

1047
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,920
more than it did on its debut. It held the

1048
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,719
top spot for four additional weeks and remained in the

1049
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,719
top ten for another eight weeks. In its sixteenth week

1050
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,599
of release, Rainman returned to the number one spot and

1051
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,599
stayed in the top ten for eight more weeks after that.

1052
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,960
By the end of its run, it became the highest

1053
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,920
grossing movie of nineteen eighty eight. Wow, that movie was huge.

1054
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,000
So moving on to reviews. When growing up in the eighties,

1055
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,000
we would watch at the Movies with Gene Siskel and

1056
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,239
Roger Ebert to hear their reviews and watch clips of

1057
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,280
upcoming movies. Their review of Rainman was unanimous two big

1058
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,679
thumbs up. They were especially impressed by Hoffman's betrayal of

1059
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,840
Raymond and autistic savant. Ebert called it deeply convincing without

1060
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,719
feeling artificial or showy. They also noted that Cruz delivered

1061
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,760
one of his more mature performances, showing real character development.

1062
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:10,280
Rotten Tomatoes gives it a Tomatometer score of eighty eight percent,

1063
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,679
with a popcorn Meter score of ninety percent. It also

1064
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,760
has an IMDb rating of.

1065
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,639
Speaker 2: Eight just eight solid.

1066
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: Yes, not very few IMDb movies have a solid number,

1067
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,360
so say a point something.

1068
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: I was just surprised to see eight. Yeah, that's great,

1069
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:27,840
all right.

1070
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: So this takes us to additional thoughts and questions. What

1071
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,119
are some additional thoughts and questions you have about rain Man?

1072
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, I covered some of my questions already earlier, so

1073
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,320
I'm just going to go into some thoughts. I wanted

1074
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,039
to look up autism and just get the textbook definition

1075
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,000
and just share a little bit with our listeners if

1076
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,119
you don't already know autism or autism spectrum of disorder

1077
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,199
ASD is a neuro developmental condition affecting how people perceive

1078
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,360
the world and interact with others. It involves different and

1079
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,239
social communication, behavior, and sensory processing, with a wide range

1080
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,679
of strengths and support needs. Is not a disease, but

1081
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,679
rather a lifelong form of neuro divergence. Autism is a spectrum,

1082
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,880
meaning it looks different for everyone, from social communication to

1083
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,119
behavioral pattern, sensory processing, and developmental differences. I look this

1084
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,679
up to educate myself. Mainly, I know a little bit

1085
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,039
about it. I just wanted to shine a little more

1086
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:28,880
light on it for myself and maybe others that don't

1087
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,199
understand what it is specifically, so I wanted to just

1088
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,079
lay that out there. Also in regards to the film itself,

1089
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,639
this kind of ties in Rainman is known in particular

1090
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,880
for its portrayal of a man with both autism and

1091
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,760
savant skills, leading much of its viewing audience to incorrectly

1092
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,760
assume the intellectual capabilities of autistic people at large. Characters

1093
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,639
like Raymond, whose characterization has been criticized for adhering to

1094
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,400
stereotypes are portrayed as having other worldly and intellectual abilities

1095
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,920
that rather than or having that intellectual ability that, rather

1096
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,559
than disable them from a living a normal life, instead

1097
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,159
assists them in a nearly magical way. So there's that

1098
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,039
take on that. And then conversely, rain Man has also

1099
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:16,280
been seen as dispelling a number of other misconceptions about

1100
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,199
autism and improving public awareness of the failure of many

1101
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,840
agencies to accommodate autistic people and make use of the

1102
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,360
abilities they do have, regardless of whether they have savant

1103
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,360
skills or not. So you can look at this a

1104
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,400
couple different ways. I found that interesting, so thanks for listening.

1105
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:36,800
I think of it as a positive.

1106
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,639
Speaker 1: It brought to light what autism was, and yes it

1107
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,280
was as the rare case of being the savant, but

1108
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,920
nobody knew what this was or plenty of people suffering

1109
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,599
it and not knowing what they had. So I appreciate

1110
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:49,559
that what it brought to light.

1111
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because you can look at it that

1112
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,880
there are people suffering from it. But I've been enlightened

1113
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,639
a little bit by listening to and I am going

1114
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:02,000
to give this a very strong shout out. The Telepathy

1115
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,440
Tapes podcast, which was created and hosted by Kai Dickens,

1116
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:11,039
which deals with a mainly nonverbal, non speaking autistic children

1117
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:15,119
that have telepathy. So when you talk about other worldly

1118
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:18,880
and magical capabilities, this is my opinion, and my opinion

1119
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,840
only right now that I am expressing, But I've listened

1120
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,800
to these tapes and i am a believer. I'm a

1121
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,280
big fan of this podcast, and if you would like

1122
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,639
to know more, you can listen on your own. There's

1123
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,679
also a show called Love on the Spectrum. I believe

1124
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:35,199
that's on Netflix and now you can have and you

1125
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:37,960
probably would have very specific opinions on this as to

1126
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,679
whether or not the podcast and or show are exploitative

1127
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,079
or are we, especially with the show, are we laughing

1128
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,639
at are we making fun of? Are we laughing with them?

1129
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:52,000
Are we learning more? You'll have your opinions, but it

1130
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:56,039
brings awareness regardless. So I just wanted to give both

1131
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,800
of those pieces of media some attention.

1132
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Jason questions. So I'm totally totally shifting gears here.

1133
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: No, yeah, sorry, I totally boguarded the pod there. Sorry.

1134
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: Man.

1135
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:14,119
Speaker 2: Were you a fan of the People's Court? Absolutely? Man,

1136
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:16,800
I watched it when I was a kid. Are you kidding? Yeah?

1137
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,719
That that theme is great? Yeah? Did you watch it

1138
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,039
a lot?

1139
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,119
Speaker 1: I think I caught it. It seemed like every time I

1140
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,400
was around my grandparents that seemed to be on. There

1141
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,199
might have been a summer where I would watch it

1142
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,079
and then go out back out to play.

1143
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,519
Speaker 2: So it goes on at like seven o'clock. Yeah, I

1144
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:34,840
mean this is the predecessor to Judge Judy, which, of

1145
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,960
course you know yours truly was on. Yeah.

1146
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:40,679
Speaker 1: I'd looked online to see if I could find an

1147
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,920
old episode and they had recent episodes, So it's still on.

1148
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: The People's Court is still going.

1149
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a female judge, and I think it has

1150
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,159
some ties to the GMZ host. I can't think of

1151
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,920
his name, Harry Levin. Yes, yeah, he's part of it too.

1152
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: There you go. Here's a question.

1153
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:01,039
Speaker 1: So Spielberg was at one point point attached to this movie.

1154
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:03,159
How much DIVI different do you think the movie would

1155
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:07,159
have been if he had directed it? Wow, it's hard

1156
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,239
to answer, but that intrigues me.

1157
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: At this time in nineteen eighty eight, it would have

1158
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:17,519
been a lot more bittersweet. I think the journey would

1159
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,639
have had different level. I think just like we were

1160
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,679
talking about. I believe Charlie babbittom Cruz's character would have

1161
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,039
softened earlier and or had probably a couple more levels

1162
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:32,199
in adjusting and learning and adapting and being more open

1163
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,519
to maybe adapting or I'm not sure, but it would

1164
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:41,559
have had that kind of saccherin bittersweetness, probably not tenfold,

1165
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,480
but at least maybe fivefold than it is in its

1166
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,960
current form, because that's Spielberg, and that's what I love

1167
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,360
about Spielberg films. So it would have been I'll know,

1168
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,960
I'm going to admit this to the audience right now.

1169
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,440
I cry at the end of this movie. I do

1170
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every time, and if Spielberg had directed it, I'd be

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taken a bath in my tears most likely.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so I would say Spielberg had directed this,

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I'd been crying at the end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, now here's I'm going to throw it right

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01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,079
back at you. Martin Brest also was signed on if

1176
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I'm not mistaken to direct this, he but then I

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01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,239
forget why he got pulled off or he decided to

1178
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going to a different direction, But obviously a different would

1179
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,480
be a different take too. Yeah. Wow, because if you

1180
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,559
think another midnight classic road trip duo movie. Right, Yeah,

1181
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I wonder if that's why he turned it down. It's like,

1182
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I've already kind of done this the road trip thing.

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01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,920
I don't need to do another one. It would be interesting,

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01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:34,599
it is kind of yeah, in a way, it would

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be in his wheels a big what if. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Right, here's a confession. This is probably one of my

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,039
favorite scenes of this movie, just because I'm like, oh

1188
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:46,719
my god, this is so me. When Cruise finds out

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01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,880
he's basically bankrupt and he goes to the mill of

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the field and just screams, son of my badge. I

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,960
swear that is me every time I come home at

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night and try to find parking in my neighborhood. I

1193
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,519
don't know how many times I'm in my car and

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01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,280
I just do exactly what Tom Cruise did. When I

1195
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,239
saw that, I just started laughing. I'm like, holy shit,

1196
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,480
that's me. It's because a long day, all I want

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01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:09,199
is a parking spot, and I'm just like, son of

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a bitch.

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:17,519
Speaker 2: We've all been there. It's so great. Hashtag La living Man. Yeah,

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01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,719
I've been much much more vulgar than that, But I

1201
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,960
feel the frustration that's that screaming at the because I'm

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,320
sure I go to that high register too every once.

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Speaker 1: First it's does anybody in my neighborhood fucking work?

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01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:33,679
Speaker 2: And then it's son of a bitch? That's the Isnt

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01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:37,039
that Fascinating's like, what's going on? There can't be that

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01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:40,159
many cars? Why are Or you go to any massive

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parking lot and it's like seven in the morning and

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01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,960
it's full. This can't It's not even possible. How could

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,199
there be so many people here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that made me feel good to hear him just

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01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:52,960
scream out in the middle of nowhere. I'm like, oh, yeah,

1212
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,280
that'd me. I wish I'd get on my car sometimes.

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: And just be like, you should do that because I

1214
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,159
think it. The acoustics are perfect in the parking garage

1215
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,159
for that. Yes, just to hear the echo, that would

1216
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,400
be great. Man. I have one personal attachment to this

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,320
film being that in this fiction we have Raymond Babbitt.

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01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,920
When he gets nervous, he keeps reciting the classic comedic

1219
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,960
sketch who's on first? Yes, And he talks about how

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,800
they talk about how he was shown that by their father,

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,039
by his dad showed it to him when he was young. Well,

1222
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,480
same here. My dad showed it to me when I

1223
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:30,840
was young, and it's always been one of my favorites. And

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,280
I just wanted to give a shout out and say,

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01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,400
if you have not, for any reason in your lifetime

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01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:40,119
watched the Abbott and Costello classic routine. Who's on first?

1227
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,480
Go look it up on YouTube. Many different versions of it.

1228
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,760
I think there's something like it feels like there's an

1229
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,079
abridged version and unabridged version, but they're doing it in

1230
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:53,519
different locations or stages and costumes and such. But it's fantastic.

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01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:56,199
It's one of the all time greats. So look it

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01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,079
up on YouTube as soon as you can watch it again.

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01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,719
Speaker 1: I've seen someone do first time watch and then analyze.

1234
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:05,800
It was kind of funny, Oh yeah, yeah, because usually

1235
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,119
it's always people doing songs or comedians and I was like, Oh,

1236
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:12,079
someone's actually doing the Abbott Castello sketch.

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01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:12,719
Speaker 2: It's hilarious.

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01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:14,519
Speaker 1: So how to watch it just to see what their

1239
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:15,199
reaction was?

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01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:17,719
Speaker 2: It was positive?

1241
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,079
Speaker 1: Good should be I guess it's time for a rating.

1242
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: Huh.

1243
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right on a scale of one

1244
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,800
to five toothpicks.

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,199
Speaker 2: What do you give rain Man? I'm giving it four

1246
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,960
strong toothpicks that don't splinter. I'll admit I do have

1247
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,119
a nostalgic attachment to it. There's just for me, there's

1248
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:41,719
some overwhelming positives personally. You have the Oscar winning performance

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,719
by Hoffman. I think this is Tom Cruise's best acting performance.

1250
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,880
I think he was snubbed for a Best Supporting Actor

1251
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,000
nod at least a nomination. I was looking back at

1252
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:57,000
the competition which was stiff here, but he was up

1253
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,760
against Kevin klein Is the winner. Talked about a fish

1254
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,599
called Wanda and that was a strange one. Yeah, Alec

1255
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:07,079
Guinness was nominated. You have Martin Landau River Phoenix for

1256
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:11,199
Running on Empty and Dean Stockwell, so, I don't know,

1257
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:13,559
maybe instead of I don't know, I think we could

1258
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:19,599
have slid Tom in there somewhere to vote for him. Well.

1259
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,000
I still really appreciated him in this film, and I

1260
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:26,360
love the score by Hans so classic road trip film,

1261
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:29,400
really well shot. It's a beautiful film and a tear

1262
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,679
jerker in the end. For me, I connect to it.

1263
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,920
I love when finally we have the softer moments in

1264
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,920
that middle scene at the Big Eights Motel, when we

1265
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:42,599
have the reveal of Raymond versus rain Man and some

1266
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:46,800
information that I just love seeing Cruise's reaction in those moments,

1267
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,519
and then the entire Vegas sequence. These are just really

1268
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:52,559
really memorable, iconic scenes for me. So I think it's

1269
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,119
worthy of all the oscars I give it for toothpicks.

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01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,239
Speaker 1: Wow, maeah, I'm kind of stuck right now. I have

1271
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:03,559
three and a half toothpicks. Sure, but man Hoffman's performance alone, I.

1272
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:05,239
Speaker 2: Know now that you say that, I feel like maybe

1273
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,760
we haven't talked about Hoffman enough and just how good

1274
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,480
he is, right, you know, we could break down each

1275
01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:13,920
scene and just all the little details like the ticks

1276
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,719
and the mannerisms and the physicality as I mentioned earlier. Yeah,

1277
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,440
I mean it's you can't keep your eyes off of him. No,

1278
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:25,480
not at all, And just my over all complaint, it's

1279
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:29,519
really just Tom Cruise, but not it's not his acting.

1280
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,760
It wasn't him.

1281
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was a little biased going in in

1282
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,599
the first time, so I don't think I've watched it

1283
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,239
anywhere near as many times as you have, But watching

1284
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,800
it this time, it was more of a writing issue

1285
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,840
with how they progressed the character along. I don't feel

1286
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,199
like you should dig into a toothpick and a half

1287
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:48,719
for that, because everything.

1288
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,239
Speaker 2: I think you swayed me on that point, though, I

1289
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:54,599
think I have to agree with you. From a writing standpoint.

1290
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,079
For his character, there weren't a lot of levels until

1291
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:01,039
it gets late into the film. Yeah. Uh yeah, you

1292
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:02,239
know what, I don't have to go four two.

1293
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: I think I have to go four tooth picks.

1294
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to change. Look at that. You swayed

1295
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:10,199
me for once. Oh hey, first time for everything. Yeah,

1296
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:13,599
there we go, So both both fours. So, yes, we

1297
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:16,079
had four four tooth picks left in the box. That's

1298
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,159
what we That's what we did. That's very good. All right.

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01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:21,159
Speaker 1: That wraps up this week's episode. Thank you so much

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for hanging out with us. We really appreciate it. If

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01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:42,159
Speaker 1: As we jump into another unforgettable gem from the greatest

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stay awesome and have an excellent day.

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Speaker 2: What you have to understand is four days ago he

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01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,079
was only my brother in the name, and this morning

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,840
we had pancakes. Thanks for staying up with us. Good

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Night world,