Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the horse, Lady Wonder?
Speaker 2: What about the the owner of the horse or I
Speaker 2: guess do you own a horse?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the horse owner Claudia Fonda or trainer the nah
Speaker 2: I think it's her horse. I think it's her horse.
Speaker 3: Should we know her from maybe some other part of
Speaker 3: part of life business or I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think she's part of the famed Fonda family.
Speaker 2: But she just she lived in Chesterfield and she had
Speaker 2: this horse, Lady Wonder. People came from all over the
Speaker 2: country to see Lady Wonder.
Speaker 1: And for what reason the horse was psychic?
Speaker 2: No, Diane, please don't make a face. Please don't make
Speaker 2: a face. Please don't make a face.
Speaker 3: Chesterfield had a psych.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Kristen, Will you do me a favor? Will
Speaker 2: you see if you could find me anybody who knows
Speaker 2: of Lady Wonder. I don't care if they live in Chesterfield. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't care if they grew up in Chesterfield, I
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 1: You know what they may be.
Speaker 2: They may be from one of the states where there
Speaker 2: was I mean, this goes back to nineteen fifty, but
Speaker 2: were there were people who would travel from all around
Speaker 2: the country to go see Lady Wonder for psychic reasons.
Speaker 3: And how did they learn of her.
Speaker 2: The once word got out bro it took off. Law
Speaker 2: enforcement and family used to come. They would come from
Speaker 2: as far away as Rhode Island to find out like
Speaker 2: where missing kids were?
Speaker 3: Are you being serious?
Speaker 2: Swear to God? And Lady Wonder was able to locate
Speaker 2: some of them.
Speaker 4: Did they go into detail about how Lady Wonder was
Speaker 4: able to give her clues?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, thank you for asking.
Speaker 2: So to my understanding, Claudia Fonda, Claudia Fonda, she kind
Speaker 2: of made up a almost they call it a makeshift typewriter, right,
Speaker 2: but the the it was like a big it almost
Speaker 2: looks like a like a long keyboard, and there were
Speaker 2: letters on the keyboard. And so they would ask questions
Speaker 2: to Lady Wonder, the horse.
Speaker 3: It's everything I pictured, the scanty times, the no okay,
Speaker 3: please please, please please.
Speaker 5: It's like this could be like.
Speaker 2: Oh really, oh I'm sorry, explain that, Explain that to
Speaker 2: the family of Gary Hayman.
Speaker 3: Is that a missing child?
Speaker 2: Well not anymore. I mean this goes back to nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty two. He was from Rhode Island. They came there
Speaker 2: to findind out where it is.
Speaker 3: So what would Lady Wonder do with this?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: So anyway, they would ask, so sometimes they would ask.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they would ask questions, and sometimes Lady Wonder would
Speaker 2: just like with her head would just kind of like nod.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I am just trying to get
Speaker 1: through the facts.
Speaker 2: I am just trying to get through the facts, right,
Speaker 2: So no disrespect sometimes.
Speaker 1: Well it is, it's actually very disrespectful.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Lady Wonder, depending on the question, would like nod
Speaker 2: or shake her head no, or nod her head yes.
Speaker 2: So like I'll just use Gary Hyman Hayman, excuse me.
Speaker 2: The so they said, is Gary Hayman alive? Well, the
Speaker 2: lady Lady Wonder yes, yes, shook her head yes. And
Speaker 2: they said are they okay? Is he okay? And what
Speaker 2: did what did the horse do? Well?
Speaker 5: I hope Lady Wonder shook her head yes.
Speaker 1: No, lady, that's so said that that he's alive.
Speaker 2: But Lady Wonder used her nose on this makeshift typewriter.
Speaker 2: So what she would do is each of the keys
Speaker 2: had a letter on it yeah, and Lady Wonder would
Speaker 2: get her nose underneath the keys and flip them up
Speaker 2: like this, flip them up right.
Speaker 3: I just want an apple. I just I just give
Speaker 3: me a carrot, please.
Speaker 2: Well I don't I don't understand why I can't get
Speaker 2: through this. So anyway, she get underneath it and flip
Speaker 2: it up and flip it up. But in order so
Speaker 2: you weren't playing like jumble at the end of it.
Speaker 2: So with with the Hayman kid.
Speaker 5: Oh, I see.
Speaker 2: So first, Lady Wonder nods the head yes, yes, and
Speaker 2: they said, is is he okay? Lady Wonder, yes, puts
Speaker 2: that nose down.
Speaker 1: Hits a. He flips it up. H okay, second key,
Speaker 1: head down, flip it up.
Speaker 2: You flip up the third letter R, flip up the
Speaker 2: fourth letter t oh, and then stop flipping letters.
Speaker 5: Damn hurt.
Speaker 1: I got that, well, thank you.
Speaker 2: The horse was able to spell it. I figure you
Speaker 2: could the How great is that?
Speaker 1: Now? I will tell you this.
Speaker 2: The Lady Wonder, the famous psychic Steed, that's what that's
Speaker 2: what they called her, also was able to predict I.
Speaker 3: Believe Wait, hold up, where was Gary they found him? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Where was it?
Speaker 5: Hurt?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you know what years later washed ashore? What
Speaker 1: the yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean that's not what I thought the ending of
Speaker 3: that story was.
Speaker 1: But was hurt. Now, I will tell you this.
Speaker 2: There was another kid who had been They couldn't they
Speaker 2: didn't know if he ran away or anything.
Speaker 3: Wait, so he wasn't a lie let me at the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, but they think at the time that the horse
Speaker 2: spelled it out. The answer was yes. It wasn't until
Speaker 2: years later that they found who is.
Speaker 3: They law enforcement?
Speaker 2: Yes, But there was another one where there was a
Speaker 2: kid that was missing and they wanted to know if
Speaker 2: he was abducted or was taken by good people or
Speaker 2: bad people because they were able to say where the
Speaker 2: kid was and so sometimes it would take forever to
Speaker 2: spell out Kansas. But they the horse spelled it out.
Speaker 2: Lady Wonder did And then they said, oh, no, was
Speaker 2: he taken by good people or bad people?
Speaker 1: And what did what did? What did? What did Lady
Speaker 1: Wonder spell out bad? Good?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, why would good people abduct somebody?
Speaker 3: Dumb horse?
Speaker 2: No, because they think that like something had happened, like
Speaker 2: the child was riding his bike and was in an accident.
Speaker 1: It's nineteen fifty two, Diane, would they do that? Text them? No,
Speaker 1: who's dumb?
Speaker 2: Now they they drove him, they drove him to.
Speaker 1: Kansas.
Speaker 3: But you haven't answered how this horse became famous.
Speaker 1: How does anybody? Oh well, I was getting ready to
Speaker 1: tell you, but you.
Speaker 2: Got all call it up on that minor detail out
Speaker 2: of Rhode Island.
Speaker 3: Yeah, minor.
Speaker 2: The horse was able to The horse was able to
Speaker 2: communicate with Claudia about like what the upcoming weather was
Speaker 2: going to be. Also correctly predicted who would win the elections.
Speaker 4: So what do they do, like like fun super Bowl
Speaker 4: picks back then?
Speaker 5: Or does that predate the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Seriously?
Speaker 2: Wait, like the horse walked around and like crapped on
Speaker 2: a square and then no they As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I believe nineteen fifty two who ran in fifty two
Speaker 2: Harry Truman. By the end of nineteen fifty two, President
Speaker 2: Harry Truman had won the presidential election, the United States
Speaker 2: was sending troops to Korea, and Richmond had begun installing
Speaker 2: safety systems around its railway, all of which Lady.
Speaker 1: Wonder had predicted months prior.
Speaker 3: So I see a little bit about Lady Wonders early history.
Speaker 2: By the way, Lady Wonder did readings for over one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand people.
Speaker 3: Did they charge for these? By the way, you.
Speaker 1: Don't charge for helping people.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a missing child, but for people who just
Speaker 3: wanted a psychic reading, the I don't know then of
Speaker 3: the horse, oh, the steed, the psychic.
Speaker 1: Steel lady wondered, the famous psychic steed put that paper aside.
Speaker 3: Did you get any history in your article or you're
Speaker 3: write up about when the horse is born? Well, it's
Speaker 3: it's category.
Speaker 2: So there were so let me, you're throwing a lot
Speaker 2: of questions at me. Just to do a psychic reading
Speaker 2: was ten cents, I mean change for inflation, it's like
Speaker 2: thirty dollars.
Speaker 1: But now I will tell you this, by the mid.
Speaker 2: Nineteen thirties, prices were up to fifty cents for three
Speaker 2: questions Claudia, and that's when that's when there was some
Speaker 2: backlash because they thought that Claudia like so they would
Speaker 2: ask a question, yes, no question, and that Claudia could
Speaker 2: do Diane, Claudia could do this and the horse would
Speaker 2: like raise its head, or she would do that and
Speaker 2: the horse would say no.
Speaker 1: So they thought that.
Speaker 5: There was some she's coaching.
Speaker 1: No, she wasn't.
Speaker 2: They accused her of pantomiming the horse, which.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the case.
Speaker 5: The horse is just mimicking.
Speaker 2: I like to use the word pantomiming. Okay, and then
Speaker 2: but then explain spelling. Now, they said, naysayers, nay sayers.
Speaker 3: Way, why are you giving us all this? It's ruining
Speaker 3: the story to me. No, it was an interesting story
Speaker 3: until you told me she was No, she wasn't a carnie.
Speaker 1: No, that's what naysayers would say.
Speaker 2: They thought that she had somehow trained the horse at
Speaker 2: which letter to pop up?
Speaker 1: Not the case at all.
Speaker 3: What was the case? Oh, the horse was psychic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the name, the famous psychic steed. How
Speaker 2: have we never heard about the horse?
Speaker 3: May I read?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Born in nineteen twenty four, Lady Wonder came from Royalty.
Speaker 3: This is the horse. Her papers listed her as the
Speaker 3: granddaughter of a thoroughbred racehorse. Came into Fonda's care as
Speaker 3: a young Philly.
Speaker 2: Now keep my Fonda had only ever had like Shetland ponies.
Speaker 1: She'd never had a thoroughbread.
Speaker 3: She knew that the brown and white mare with three
Speaker 3: white stockings was special in the horses. Early years, Fonda
Speaker 3: had bottle fed her on whole milk and oatmeal gruel
Speaker 3: to maintain her energy and intelligence, nice, Fonda said. As
Speaker 3: they've played, Lady began picking up on commands that Fonda
Speaker 3: had not yet uttered, prompting her belief that the mayor
Speaker 3: could read her mind.
Speaker 2: So instead of saying, I don't I don't know what
Speaker 2: you train a horse to do. But instead of saying
Speaker 2: like fetch, like throw the ball and yell fetch, the
Speaker 2: horse would just start running. She hadn't even thrown the
Speaker 2: ball yet. The horse would sit before she would say sit.
Speaker 2: M The horse was reading her mind.
Speaker 3: So other people would come to see the horse. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they were visiting for.
Speaker 2: Okay, well there's other people living in Chesterfield, but that
Speaker 2: horse racing reasons.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was just to see this magical horse.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm that Chesterfield became Henriiko and then it
Speaker 2: became like Ashland, and then it became the country.
Speaker 3: But they said that visitors who did not come for
Speaker 3: the reasons of its psychic problem, it was just to
Speaker 3: see it. They were they noticed things and so, and
Speaker 3: Fonda picked up on them as well. That created this
Speaker 3: story of this horse may be something special.
Speaker 2: They called Lady Wonder the Nostradamus of the twentieth century.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. It seems like something that would have
Speaker 3: been mentioned to us.
Speaker 2: I know, how is that the case? Now I had
Speaker 2: somebody on hold and they couldn't stick with me. Their
Speaker 2: grandmother had gone to see the horse. No, no, I'm
Speaker 2: being serious. Their grandmother had gone to see the horse
Speaker 2: for like a but criminal case or just for a reading.
Speaker 1: Well that I don't know that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 1: Do people not know the history of the horse. Do
Speaker 1: people not even know?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: Who do we know from Chesterfield? Hoy?
Speaker 3: How many people that she was asked about found were
Speaker 3: found washed up on the banks of rivers? I see
Speaker 3: two more boys here. Yeah, I think the horse might
Speaker 3: be involved. No, but keep in mind it wasn't. They
Speaker 3: didn't that you didn't go see the horse and then
Speaker 3: text the police department.
Speaker 1: There it took time for word to get there.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing an old picture from back in the day
Speaker 4: where there's a bunch of people lined up outside the barn.
Speaker 1: Yes to get a reading.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll spell ad subtract multiplied divide tells time, answers questions.
Speaker 2: Oh, it would do math. I totally forgot about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Lady Wonder would do math. Sometimes, Lady Wonder, they would
Speaker 2: have them write the math problem down but not say it,
Speaker 2: and lady Wonder what it would give the answer, and
Speaker 2: then you would see the sheet of paper.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: It helped those betting on Pimlico race Course events choosing
Speaker 3: twenty eight winning horses, all twenty eight winning horses, and
Speaker 3: could forecast the location of oil wells as well as
Speaker 3: their own death age.
Speaker 1: How about that? But you know the other thing that's
Speaker 1: really impressive.
Speaker 2: They said that on aggregate of every eleven questions that
Speaker 2: the horse was asked.
Speaker 5: For, right, I mean, respectable, respectable, it's a horse.
Speaker 1: It's a horse. You ever asked a horse a question?
Speaker 5: I haven't.
Speaker 1: By the way, how does Cappie not know this horse?
Speaker 1: She's a horse, lady and young?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But still, you know what you think she only knows
Speaker 2: horses from the time she was alive.
Speaker 1: I bet she knows horses that date way.
Speaker 5: Back, but to the fifties.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, is there a long list of psychic horses?
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I only know I only know.
Speaker 2: The psychic horses to the seventies. Of course, How does
Speaker 2: Hobi not know Hoby lives in Chesterfield.
Speaker 3: Oh here here the horse found a missing dog and
Speaker 3: actually found it. It didn't wash up on the banks
Speaker 3: of a river.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: A Long Island kennel had claimed the dog. Island had
Speaker 3: claimed the dog had died, faked its grave, and then
Speaker 3: sold the animal for a prophet through its Florida branch,
Speaker 3: and the horse helped locate it. Yes, you are right.
Speaker 3: The predictions and of eleven they run the gamut. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't they always say for somebody who's a psychic?
Speaker 2: First of all, has there ever been? Honest question, has
Speaker 2: there ever been? And don't start with the tinfoil hats,
Speaker 2: but has there ever been a psychic?
Speaker 1: Yep, there you go.
Speaker 2: There's one idiot the I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a psychic animal?
Speaker 3: And you're not counting the dozens they do roll out
Speaker 3: during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: No, that is like, hey, this count took it dump
Speaker 2: and thinks that the score is going to be this.
Speaker 1: No, that's not a psychic animal.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, like the octopus will swim to a different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that bit. That's a fun bit. But
Speaker 2: this again, this horse is spelling out answers.
Speaker 3: Iras says, this is not a good look for horse people.
Speaker 3: Does not help.
Speaker 4: Now there's another link to a different horse called clever
Speaker 4: Han who was popular during the late eighteen hundreds early
Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 5: He could do math.
Speaker 4: No, he could do math and other intellectual tests during
Speaker 4: exhibitions in Germany.
Speaker 1: Explain how explain how this horse?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 2: Forget the eighteen hundreds, the nineteen fifties. We have people
Speaker 2: that were alive. We have people listening that were alive
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty and if they weren't, their parents were
Speaker 2: or their grandparents were. So this isn't like, oh this
Speaker 2: goes this is old timey. This is during their lifetimes
Speaker 2: or their parents' lifetimes. How's a horse do math? That's
Speaker 2: not a setup to a joke. I'm asking how does
Speaker 2: a horse do math?
Speaker 3: Well? Can I read one sentence that the skeptics often
Speaker 3: pointed to Go ahead, Political races always carry a fifty
Speaker 3: percent chance of accuracy.
Speaker 1: Here we go, so you always have a fifty percent
Speaker 1: chance of being right.
Speaker 3: I have to read the second part. And drowning was
Speaker 3: one of the leading causes of death of children in
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 5: Odds.
Speaker 2: Ah, does Claudia Fonda have any family that remains in
Speaker 2: the Richmond area?
Speaker 5: I would bet why not?
Speaker 1: No, No, I would bet too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know how old Claudia Fonda was in the fifties.
Speaker 2: I mean she'd be an older woman.
Speaker 3: Now you think she's in her nineties. Do you think
Speaker 3: she was in her twenties and the fifties, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't have an age on her.
Speaker 1: I know the horror picture, say, get.
Speaker 3: You a picture of her with the horse.
Speaker 1: No, but I do have this.
Speaker 5: I have one. She was pretty old back then.
Speaker 2: Mother asked horse to help find her son, talking animal
Speaker 2: furnishes clue.
Speaker 1: The hollist didn't talk, It talked through spelling.
Speaker 3: Now it's mister ed.
Speaker 4: This picture from nineteen fifty two shows Claudia Fonda probably
Speaker 4: looking to be in her sixties.
Speaker 5: I would say, okay.
Speaker 1: But you don't think she's got offspring.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I would be surprised if she didn't have people still
Speaker 4: in Chesterfield, yes.
Speaker 1: Or I mean just anywhere, yeah, anywhere. How do people
Speaker 1: not know this story?
Speaker 4: This seems right up Hoby's Alley.
Speaker 2: By the way, doesn't al Towyda live in Chesterfield? Doesn't
Speaker 2: or did he used to live in Chesterfield.
Speaker 3: I love the story, which is why I'm bothered that
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like anyone knows about him.
Speaker 2: No, and that bothers me. I feel like this story
Speaker 2: should be very well known and celebrated.
Speaker 3: I'm reading more about it.
Speaker 1: I got a psychic horse, Gary Hayman. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you read his story though?
Speaker 5: Was that the one that she predicted?
Speaker 3: Well, that was the one that said hurt, hurt, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah. He ran away from school. That's all. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 3: I remember a school for the feeble minded, which it
Speaker 3: was sound.
Speaker 2: Ye, I don't even know what that is. That's that's
Speaker 2: clearly not gifted and talented now like.
Speaker 3: He did not speak as a toddler because of an illness,
Speaker 3: escaped to the school for the feeble minded. This was
Speaker 3: up in Rhode Island and was last seen running into
Speaker 3: the woods when his clothes were found neatly piled beside
Speaker 3: a small stream. A few weeks after, local police gave up,
Speaker 3: but his mother clung to the notion he was still alive.
Speaker 3: With little help from the police, who deemed him just
Speaker 3: a runaway from the feeble minded school and no clues
Speaker 3: to go on, Hayman began her own search. Her quest
Speaker 3: found her placing a call to the Richmond Times Dispatch
Speaker 3: reporter Bill mckilwaine, and the following morning, the kil Wayne
Speaker 3: was traveling down a dirt road off of Petersburg turnbike,
Speaker 3: slinging up dust and gravel as went as he pulled
Speaker 3: into the driveway of Fonda's farmhouse.
Speaker 2: So the actual reporter mcelwaine, what's his name whatever, went
Speaker 2: to go ask the horse very good line six, Hi,
Speaker 2: yellie of the morning?
Speaker 5: Is this me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 1: Who's this? Justin? Yes? Justin? Are you familiar with Lady
Speaker 1: wonder Well?
Speaker 6: You mentioned the one that could count, Not Lady Wander
Speaker 6: the other one from the eighteen hundreds, Oh.
Speaker 4: The German one, the clever Hans, Clever Hans, clever.
Speaker 6: Clever HANSI yeah, I learned about him in psychology class.
Speaker 6: He's a master of intuition. He can't actually count. What
Speaker 6: he can do is he can read the crowd and
Speaker 6: people behave in very subtle ways, very subtle gives within
Speaker 6: the crowd before the appropriate number of horse hoof clicks
Speaker 6: are made on the ground, and that's how he could
Speaker 6: appear to count, but he couldn't.
Speaker 1: Actually, I ain't buying that.
Speaker 2: So just because the like as the anticipation built the horse,
Speaker 2: the horse knew like, oh, look at everybody, I must
Speaker 2: be close. I'll stop here.
Speaker 5: Could all those Germans be wrong?
Speaker 1: The I listen, I understand, you know what the problem is?
Speaker 1: You know it is it'sblably.
Speaker 2: Even if it was within one or two, I would
Speaker 2: still think it's amazing it is.
Speaker 6: But this I don't know how to explain. Lady wonders. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, forensic abilities and being able to see in
Speaker 6: the future. I need to learn more about that. But
Speaker 6: I did learn about clever Hans. He's often taught in
Speaker 6: psychology classes about you know, the idea of intuition and
Speaker 6: and even conformity, you know, uh, changing to your environment
Speaker 6: based on the way the people around you.
Speaker 2: Behave Also, is anybody else listen? You can argue whether
Speaker 2: the horse was psychic or not. Is anybody else impressed
Speaker 2: just with the fact the horse could spell yeah and
Speaker 2: it's keyboard yes, like for example, it's spelled good and hurt.
Speaker 2: It didn't it didn't. Just I bet I could go
Speaker 2: thank you sir, thank you.
Speaker 1: I bet you.
Speaker 2: Could find like, I don't what age whatever, but you
Speaker 2: could ask people they can't spell it.
Speaker 3: Also did truck in Kansas, right, but told you didn't
Speaker 3: have to do it in the right order. I just
Speaker 3: had to flip up the letters and then you had
Speaker 3: to kind of jumble them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, but in most cases.
Speaker 3: Altito says he knows the horse.
Speaker 1: Does he really?
Speaker 5: Why did they work together?
Speaker 2: Can I go to line one? Hi, Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 3: I think I got Riverbank?
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Funny Line three, Hi Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 1: Hey it's me, Yeah, Hi, who's this Hello?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Hey, this is Greg.
Speaker 1: Yes. What should I wanted to say? I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know why everybody's so surprised about a psychic horse
Speaker 1: in the past.
Speaker 3: We have a horse's ass in TC.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very good, thank you sir. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Now people are just going to do bits yep. I
Speaker 5: tried to I hope a horse calls in again.
Speaker 3: What's online too?
Speaker 2: It's probably just the fish guys, animals, And that's an
Speaker 2: honest connection. No, you know what I tried to I
Speaker 2: tried to teach history. I tried to teach it's something
Speaker 2: awesome to learn. You should be embarrassed if you grew
Speaker 2: up in Chesterfield and you don't know your history.