Speaker 1: In the bever home in twenty fifteen. Everything seemed normal,
Speaker 1: the day was coming to an end, and everyone was
Speaker 1: getting ready for bed. Then suddenly, the quiet family home
Speaker 1: quickly turned into something straight out of a nightmare when
Speaker 1: one of the kids let out a blood curdling scream
Speaker 1: and made their way down the stairs of the home
Speaker 1: with blood pouring from their slashed throat behind her. She
Speaker 1: was quickly followed by her two older brothers, who had
Speaker 1: just begun their vicious attack on the whole family. This
Speaker 1: is the Broken Arrow Killings.
Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. So, yeah, I'm quite nervous for this case. Now.
Speaker 1: It's it's a doozy.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize what we were getting ourselves into.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a doozy one. That was quite the intro.
Speaker 1: I decided to give away a little bit of some
Speaker 1: of the brutality that immediately occurs in that intro, particularly
Speaker 1: because this is a very brutal case, so you ready
Speaker 1: for it, I think? So, okay, Well, this is called
Speaker 1: the Broken Arrow killings, the Broken Arrow massacre. Usually Broken
Speaker 1: Arrow Killings is what it's referred to, but of course
Speaker 1: there's other variations. So Broken Arrow is actually the town
Speaker 1: in which it took place.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So it was a quiet Wednesday night on July twenty second,
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and Broken Arrow, the Bever family household, usually
Speaker 1: filled with commotion as the family was made up of
Speaker 1: nine individuals, two parents and seven children, was quieting down
Speaker 1: for the evening. Now in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, the family's
Speaker 1: home is located in a suburban neighborhood. It seemed peaceful
Speaker 1: on the outside, but shortly after, sorry, shortly before nine
Speaker 1: thirty pm, everything would change. Thirteen year old Crystal Bever
Speaker 1: was headed upstairs to her brother's bedroom. She was headed
Speaker 1: up there with a simple request from their mother, some chores.
Speaker 1: Their mother, April Bever, age forty four, had spent the
Speaker 1: week planning a birthday celebration for the youngest family member, Autumn,
Speaker 1: who was soon turning two years old. The house was
Speaker 1: filled with the usual pre birthday excitement, yet a bit
Speaker 1: of tension lingered, something that was going unnoticed. Cristel entered
Speaker 1: her brother's bedroom. There, she found her brother eighteen year
Speaker 1: old Robert and seventeen year old Michael, who had shared
Speaker 1: a bedroom. They were dawning and assembling body armor on themselves. Now,
Speaker 1: this peculiar scene was not entirely new to her. It
Speaker 1: was something that they were recently diving into. The once
Speaker 1: quiet and introverted teens had developed this unsettling fascination with firearms, knives,
Speaker 1: body armors, and also serial killers in the recent months.
Speaker 1: Cristal had mentioned this to her her parents before, a
Speaker 1: little bit concerned about it, thinking like it's kind of odd,
Speaker 1: a little bit creepy. But the parents, April and David Bever,
Speaker 1: their fifty two year old father, dismissed it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like it's just a new interest.
Speaker 1: They're just exploring things. You know, boys get into liking
Speaker 1: knives or playing Call of Duty on Xbox and guns
Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: typical teenage behavior, is what they figured it was. So
Speaker 1: Crystal walks into the room and sees this familiar sight
Speaker 1: of them wearing armor, having knives spread out on the
Speaker 1: on the bed, and she talks to her brothers and say,
Speaker 1: Mom wants you to finish the dishes before you go
Speaker 1: to bed. Suddenly, one brother turns to the other and
Speaker 1: poses a bit of a question, something a little bit cryptic.
Speaker 1: He says, should we do it now? Unaware of the
Speaker 1: impending horror behind that question, Crystal responded casually, well, I'm here, now,
Speaker 1: what do you want? Michael Bever signaled christ Crystal to
Speaker 1: check something on his computer screen. As she turned towards
Speaker 1: the illumination monitor, Robert, the other brother, quietly approached from behind,
Speaker 1: took a knife, wrapped it around her, and slashed her
Speaker 1: throat with a knife in one swift motion. The brother's
Speaker 1: only exposure to sudden such violence had come from TV shows,
Speaker 1: and they imagine this would be a quick and silent kill,
Speaker 1: similar to action movies, you know, when someone's walking through halls,
Speaker 1: taking out people quickly and quietly to make their way
Speaker 1: into somewhere they're trying to navigate. However, the reality is
Speaker 1: vastly different. Crystal didn't immediately die and fall to the
Speaker 1: floor silently like they expected, She let out a blood
Speaker 1: curdling scream and staggered backwards, blood gushing from her neck. Determined,
Speaker 1: Robert continued his attack, stabbing her multiple times in the chest,
Speaker 1: arms and shoulder, and stomach, trying to kill her. Crystal
Speaker 1: thought about running to her room, thought about trying to
Speaker 1: grab her phone, but decided instead to make her way
Speaker 1: downstairs and head for the door to go outside, hoping
Speaker 1: to find a neighbor and call for help that way.
Speaker 1: She made her way outside and collapsed in the front yard,
Speaker 1: her throat deeply slashed, lungs filling with her own blood,
Speaker 1: and an organ even protruding from her stomach wound. Hearing
Speaker 1: the horrific noise, the mother, April, rushed upstairs and as
Speaker 1: Crystal was descending, April encountered Robert, who now launched an
Speaker 1: attack on his mother, inflicting at least forty eight knife
Speaker 1: wounds upon her. An investigator later remarked it was quote
Speaker 1: more wounds than I had ever seen in anybody ever.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, you're really just starting us off here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I told you we are diving straight into this.
Speaker 2: Wow. My eyes are just like bulging out of my face.
Speaker 1: Your reactions so far or something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 1: So Robert now had returned to Crystal, who was still
Speaker 1: alive at this point and bleeding in the front yard.
Speaker 1: He kneeled beside her and he began to strangle her
Speaker 1: until he heard a final gurgle as blood filled her
Speaker 1: throat and lungs, and Crystal went limp. Robert dragged her
Speaker 1: back into the house. The brothers together moved on. The
Speaker 1: house had turned into a scene of absolute chaos, reminiscent
Speaker 1: of a horror movie, something right out of Hollywood's worst
Speaker 1: production ever. The attacker's younger siblings, seven year old Christopher
Speaker 1: and five year old Victoria, were petrified. They were unaware
Speaker 1: of what was going on. All they knew was screams
Speaker 1: were happening. It was panic, and these two kids didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do. The only thing they could think
Speaker 1: to do was hide, So together they locked themselves in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, hysterical and seeking some sort of safety and sancty.
Speaker 2: Well, they're in their safe place right now, like they're
Speaker 2: in their hon yep.
Speaker 1: Holy now. The brothers together quickly found their younger siblings
Speaker 1: hiding in the bathroom, and one of them knocked on
Speaker 1: the door. Michael pretended to be panicked, and he whispered
Speaker 1: through the door, let me in, he's gonna kill me
Speaker 1: and wanting to help, their brother, Christopher opened the door.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yes, okay, this is just getting worse and worse.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, now the two brothers, Michael and Robert had
Speaker 1: access into the bathroom that was previously locked where Victoria
Speaker 1: and Christopher were hiding. As they opened the door, the
Speaker 1: two brothers entered, and it was too late. The brothers
Speaker 1: swiftly continued their attack upon their younger siblings. Christopher was
Speaker 1: stabbed six times and Victoria was stabbed eighteen times in
Speaker 1: the neck, chest, back, in upper arms. Now, during this assault,
Speaker 1: their father, David, at some point tried to intervene, and
Speaker 1: he lunged towards his two sons. His efforts, though, were
Speaker 1: unfortunately in vain. The boys were armed and he was not.
Speaker 1: He was stabbed twenty eight times and suffered blunt force
Speaker 1: injuries all over his body. Meanwhile, in the house, while
Speaker 1: everyone's screaming, dying, crying, you name it, twelve year old
Speaker 1: Daniel managed to lock himself in a room and dialed nine.
Speaker 4: Nine one broken air nine one one, Hello, Hello, Hi,
Speaker 4: where are you at?
Speaker 3: Broke it out.
Speaker 5: Oklaholm some four one one whatever, rest doesn't know.
Speaker 4: I'm okay, are you the only one there?
Speaker 5: No, my dais attacking the family.
Speaker 4: Your dad is attacking your family. No, my dude, Okay,
Speaker 4: who's attacking your family? Who's attacking your family?
Speaker 5: Who is it?
Speaker 2: They?
Speaker 4: Are you there?
Speaker 3: Little Hi?
Speaker 5: What's going on there? What's going on there?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow wow wow.
Speaker 1: Just like the two brothers had done before to their
Speaker 1: other siblings, Christopher and Victoria, Michael managed to convince his
Speaker 1: younger brother to open the door while he was on
Speaker 1: the phone with nine one one. The brothers came in,
Speaker 1: took the cell phone from him. As you heard him
Speaker 1: on the phone, he said hello, hello, and then he
Speaker 1: smashed the cell phone on the floor, and they proceeded
Speaker 1: to stab their brother nine times in the back, shoulder,
Speaker 1: and chest. Unfortunately for them, but fortunately for us, this
Speaker 1: initiated an immediate response, with the operator dispatching authorities to
Speaker 1: the home. At this point, though, the boys had one
Speaker 1: more sibling in the house and they needed to target
Speaker 1: this person. Of course, they wanted to wipe out the
Speaker 1: whole family, but little did they know that the authorities
Speaker 1: were on their way, so they didn't have much time
Speaker 1: and police would arrive at eleven forty five pm, some
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes after the nine to one to one call
Speaker 1: was placed. The older brothers were just about to begin
Speaker 1: their final kill for the evening. They were headed to
Speaker 1: the room of their two year old sister, Autumn, and
Speaker 1: the plan was to decapitate Autumn.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, the police began banging on the front door of
Speaker 1: the home and it came just in time, and it
Speaker 1: scared the two boys and they bolted out the back
Speaker 1: door of the home. Detective Brett Burton of the Broken
Speaker 1: Arrow Police Department responded to the call, and as he
Speaker 1: walked up the front steps of the home, he could
Speaker 1: see blood trailing into the home where Crystal had laid
Speaker 1: once and they had been drug back inside. As he
Speaker 1: and the other responding officers approached the front door of
Speaker 1: the home, they could hear a faint voice coming from inside,
Speaker 1: one that said, help me.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Ben, what the hell are you doing
Speaker 2: to us right now?
Speaker 1: I'm just telling the story. It's a fucking horrible story,
Speaker 1: but that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is unbelievable. This is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It is so. And this is when they began banging
Speaker 1: on the door. The two brothers bolted. They couldn't get
Speaker 1: the door open. No one would respond, so the authorities,
Speaker 1: the officers that were responding, they forced their way into
Speaker 1: the home. And once they forced their entry, there laid
Speaker 1: thirteen year old Crystal, the one who was first attacked
Speaker 1: and had her neck slashed.
Speaker 2: Is she alive?
Speaker 1: She was alive?
Speaker 2: Holy shit, I was thinking that the two years or
Speaker 2: it was the two year old Autumn.
Speaker 1: Nope, Crystal was still alive. Her brother who knelt down
Speaker 1: and began strangling her, she went limp and played dead.
Speaker 1: Oh my word, so he let up and she was
Speaker 1: not strangled. He drug her back inside and there she
Speaker 1: was clinging to life, literally next slashed Americans hanging from
Speaker 1: her abdomen, and she was still alive, asking and crying
Speaker 1: for help.
Speaker 2: I'm shook. I would I out of anyone, I would
Speaker 2: not have thought that she would have, I know, like,
Speaker 2: still been alive.
Speaker 1: She was able to tell the officers that her brothers
Speaker 1: were the ones who were attacking the family and that
Speaker 1: they were in the house. So the officers got her
Speaker 1: to safety, got her medical attention, and they continued sweeping
Speaker 1: the house, bringing out some of the family members in
Speaker 1: the process in hopes that they would still be alive
Speaker 1: and still be able to be saved, and leaving others
Speaker 1: because it was clear they were deceased. Upstairs, they found
Speaker 1: two year old Autumn sleeping and unharmed.
Speaker 2: Okay, just like such a little angel, just like so
Speaker 2: young and not like really having no idea what's going
Speaker 2: on and just sleeping, which is good, it.
Speaker 1: Is, it is. I can't imagine the trauma would have
Speaker 1: put on on on her if she was aware of
Speaker 1: what was going on. Yeah, So Autumn and her older
Speaker 1: sister Crystal would be the only two members of the
Speaker 1: Bever family that would survive the attack from the brothers.
Speaker 2: Wow, Crystal actually survived.
Speaker 1: Hey, she would survive.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just have to say too that like nine
Speaker 2: one one operator had no idea, like to the extent
Speaker 2: of what was going on really through that call.
Speaker 1: Hey, I know you can hear the desperation in that
Speaker 1: operator though. Oh you hear how fast and how vivorous
Speaker 1: she's Oh she was honest, Yeah, typing like crazy, so
Speaker 1: good on that operator.
Speaker 2: She knew something was going down, but like, man, the
Speaker 2: extent of what it was is was is mind blowing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I kind of imagine the pit in that
Speaker 1: person's stomach when they would have heard another voice go
Speaker 1: hello and then the disconnected And then.
Speaker 2: Also I'm I just have to say one more thing.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that that. I'm almost shocked that this carried
Speaker 2: on because it seeming like these boys don't really have
Speaker 2: any experience and like the Crystal and Crystal like to
Speaker 2: the extent of, you know, not dying instantly. I'm almost
Speaker 2: surprised that they they were this vicious and this like
Speaker 2: I don't know the words, but to carry on, like
Speaker 2: to carry on through the whole thing like this is.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you mean to carry on.
Speaker 2: Well that they didn't they weren't them killing their sister
Speaker 2: like that, They just had so much brutality in them
Speaker 2: to like carry on after the initial shock of seeing
Speaker 2: how it affected Crystal and like, okay, so like her
Speaker 2: like getting away and the blood coming out and everything, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that they were able to just keep going
Speaker 2: go on to.
Speaker 1: The next family member. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I almost would think after listening to that, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: they're going to stop at this, Like this is shocking enough. Almost.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into some of that here soon, a
Speaker 1: little bit. Actually, some of it in particular here is
Speaker 1: coming up almost immediately on their reaction, if you will,
Speaker 1: so we'll touch on that. So the officers went through
Speaker 1: the home, and the house is now cleared, and the
Speaker 1: police knew that the boys escaped out of the back
Speaker 1: of the home rather obviously, and on the back of
Speaker 1: the home there was some wooded property and that's where
Speaker 1: they would be. So it now turned into a manhunt.
Speaker 1: But the man hunt would not last very long itself.
Speaker 1: With a canine unit brought in. The two were quickly
Speaker 1: located hiding in the bushes not far from the home,
Speaker 1: and neither really resisted too much when they were found. Now,
Speaker 1: the photos of the two boys that were taken as
Speaker 1: they were arrested for evidence purposes that night show the
Speaker 1: boys wearing their body armor underneath their t shirts, one
Speaker 1: with his shirt tore up from the canine attack. But
Speaker 1: both of them were covered in mud and covered in
Speaker 1: blood of their family members. But the worst part of
Speaker 1: it all was their demeanor. A quote from an officer officer,
Speaker 1: I sorry, Corporal Leon Colin goes quote, they weren't upset.
Speaker 1: They weren't distropped. It's almost like they had a sense
Speaker 1: of cawkiness. It looked to me like one of the
Speaker 1: boys had a smirk on his face and very much.
Speaker 1: So you look at the photos, one of them, like
Speaker 1: neither of them were were crying or upset, but one
Speaker 1: of them is just kind of like stone cold, and
Speaker 1: the other boy is one hundred percent smiling.
Speaker 2: Seriously. Yeah, holy shit. They must just have some sort
Speaker 2: of like just huge hatred towards their family or something
Speaker 2: that they've just like developed this wall or something.
Speaker 1: You're not going to like the answer to that. But
Speaker 1: before we dive too much into that or any sort
Speaker 1: of aftermath, we're going to rewind a bit and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the events that led up to it all,
Speaker 1: which might give you some ideas somewhere that might head. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: in the years before that fateful night, the Bever family
Speaker 1: led a secluded and quiet life in the Indian Springs
Speaker 1: neighborhood south of Broken Arrow. So they're not quite in
Speaker 1: Broken Arrow, just you know, on the outskirts by the
Speaker 1: sounds of it. Now known for its serene residential vibe,
Speaker 1: if you will, it's well kept Parks middle class demographic.
Speaker 1: Broken Arrow is the largest suburb of Tulsa and the
Speaker 1: fourth largest city in the state. Despite having one of
Speaker 1: the larger homes in the area and a household bustling
Speaker 1: with seven children, the Bevers maintained minimal contact with those
Speaker 1: in their community. They kept to themselves, The children were
Speaker 1: rarely seen playing outside the parents. They kept to themselves,
Speaker 1: and little was really known about the famili's everyday activities. Now,
Speaker 1: this deliberate isolation was by design of the parents. April
Speaker 1: homeschooled their children and did not engage with local homeschooling
Speaker 1: groups like many others did you know, maybe feeding off
Speaker 1: each other educational wise or layout wise on how they're
Speaker 1: going to go about things, or structure whatever it was.
Speaker 1: April kind of headed it on her own. Now. April, however,
Speaker 1: was an active Reddit user, where she frequently discussed topics
Speaker 1: related to homeschooling. There you know, upbringing children and even
Speaker 1: premature births as well. The youngest child, Autumn, was born prematurely,
Speaker 1: which prompted April to establish a nonprofit organization called Autumn Hope, Inc.
Speaker 1: And this was done to establish Families with sorry to
Speaker 1: assist families with premature babies, which freaking love that.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Now. David worked as a technology consultant, and he and
Speaker 1: April encouraged their kids, particularly their two eldest Robert and Michael,
Speaker 1: to pursue their interest in computer technology. Now Robert and
Speaker 1: micro Michael were especially drawn to this, spending extensive amount
Speaker 1: of time online watching YouTube videos, which led them to
Speaker 1: creating their own YouTube videos. Even being online, the boys
Speaker 1: began to dive into some more taboo topics, some things
Speaker 1: that were otherwise not really talked about in the home,
Speaker 1: and things that the boys were somewhat shielded from as well,
Speaker 1: which led to them developing a fascination with some more
Speaker 1: violent type content. April and David were both devoutly religious individuals,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to protect their children from aspects of
Speaker 1: the outside world, you know, evil or harmful people. However,
Speaker 1: their tendency or sorry, their leniency with technology had unforeseen repercussions.
Speaker 1: The two brothers became obsessed with this destructive ideology as
Speaker 1: they watched these horrible things unfold online and you know,
Speaker 1: things that they really couldn't fully comprehend because of their
Speaker 1: limited real world experience and being shielded and staying at
Speaker 1: home teenagers, the two boys developed a particular interest in
Speaker 1: school shooters, ones like Columbine, for example. They found these
Speaker 1: thrilling and began to almost see this as an achievable goal,
Speaker 1: something they could do.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, one can only speculate really on how this obsession
Speaker 1: came to be, and we can say for sure that
Speaker 1: it was because of being shielded from the or sorry,
Speaker 1: we can't say for sure that it was because of
Speaker 1: being shielded from the real world or the violence that
Speaker 1: they had allegedly endured at home as well, because you see,
Speaker 1: the boys were not brought up in the perfect home
Speaker 1: or atmosphere. Crystal, the surviving sister, later recounted that their father, David,
Speaker 1: frequently subjected the two brothers to verbal and physical abuse.
Speaker 1: During trial, Robert quoted his father and mother and told
Speaker 1: the courtroom quote, they told us the world was full
Speaker 1: of people who wanted to hurt us. He also claimed
Speaker 1: their father would threaten them by saying, quote, you any
Speaker 1: time I want now. If true, this, Mary very well
Speaker 1: may have played a key role in Robert's deepening obsession
Speaker 1: with violence and notorious killers like the Columbine shooters, James
Speaker 1: Holmes and An obsession with the two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: movie Rampage. But in the summer of twenty fifteen, Robert
Speaker 1: Bevertt actually worked at a religious call center called Make
Speaker 1: a Tech, where he answered calls from individuals seeking prayer
Speaker 1: and spiritual guidance. Now, this situation is early reminiscent of
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy's stint where he worked at a suicide hotline.
Speaker 1: And perhaps if Robert was aware that tud Bed tud
Speaker 1: Bendy Ted Bundy there we go worked at a hotline,
Speaker 1: he may very well have felt some sort of connection
Speaker 1: in some way. But that's hearsay, I kind of digress. Wow,
Speaker 1: but his obsession with these killings, he very well might have.
Speaker 2: Had that knowledge, Yeah, very much so.
Speaker 1: Now with his earnings from this job, Robert began purchasing
Speaker 1: supplies such as body armor, knives, and even a small crossbow.
Speaker 1: His sister Crystal noticed the accumulating arsenal in her brother's
Speaker 1: bedroom brought it up to her parents, but as I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, they just kind of brushed it off basically
Speaker 1: as boys being boys. Little did anyone know that this
Speaker 1: would become something much more and what the brothers were
Speaker 1: really capable of?
Speaker 2: Well, who would ever imagine something like this happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the biggest part of it is they were
Speaker 1: aspiring to be famous and they were trying to do
Speaker 1: so on YouTube as well and being unsuccessful. The boys
Speaker 1: saw how successful these murderers were in becoming famous with
Speaker 1: these horrible acts that they were committing. They soon began
Speaker 1: talking about how they too could go kill people, and
Speaker 1: how they could do it even better and how famous
Speaker 1: they would become as a result. They spent countless hours
Speaker 1: studying the actions, outcomes, and everything to do with the
Speaker 1: spree killers and school shooters. Robert and Michael decided to
Speaker 1: that they too were going to find their fame the
Speaker 1: same way, but they aimed to get an even higher
Speaker 1: body count than the rest.
Speaker 2: Jeez, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. These two they just wanted.
Speaker 2: To kill and this is just their ticket to fame. Yep,
Speaker 2: what they're thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to stalk up on weapons and their
Speaker 1: plan was to drive across America, unloading and killing anyone
Speaker 1: they pleased. As they did so. Oh yep, with their
Speaker 1: imaginations leading them through the scenario over and over and
Speaker 1: over again, they were confident. They were confident that they
Speaker 1: could easily rack up a body count of over fifty individuals,
Speaker 1: giving them the fame that they desired.
Speaker 2: What a fucking goal to have.
Speaker 1: Right, No shit good, It's disgusting, disgusting the that someone
Speaker 1: goes that way. I could be famous if I just
Speaker 1: kill enough people, like fuck.
Speaker 2: You, no kidding.
Speaker 1: Well, they began to stalk up and Robert started orring
Speaker 1: guns and ammunition online. And allegedly I didn't research this
Speaker 1: one so much, especially considering it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: taboo topic. It's kind of hard to really find out
Speaker 1: for sure unless you really go through application processes, and
Speaker 1: I'm not about to apply, especially not being a resident
Speaker 1: of the United States of America. But allegedly Robert was
Speaker 1: able to order these things online without a license. Okay,
Speaker 1: but in late July he received a notification that a
Speaker 1: large shipment of ammunition would be delivered to their home
Speaker 1: on July twenty third. He quickly realized their parents would
Speaker 1: be wondering why exactly he had ordered so much ammunition,
Speaker 1: which was over one thousand rounds of forty five caliber
Speaker 1: bullets and two hundred and fifty twelve gaue shotgun shells.
Speaker 1: And that is when he came up with the plan.
Speaker 1: He was going to get rid of his family. So
Speaker 1: he accept the shipment and get ready for his assault
Speaker 1: across the country. And so he did, which brings us
Speaker 1: right up to where we left off, with an absolute
Speaker 1: massacre occurring inside their home and the boys being arrested
Speaker 1: in the woods.
Speaker 2: You good, I okay, I would not have even ever
Speaker 2: guessed that, Like, this is just getting more and more
Speaker 2: and more fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. The reasoning is absurd. Oh, I got
Speaker 1: a package coming. My parents are gonna ask questions.
Speaker 2: Maybe no, not, let me expect kill the whole family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna kill everyone.
Speaker 2: Wow. And then they were so they were planning to
Speaker 2: kill them probably like just keep the bodies in the
Speaker 2: house and then go on their little adventure.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that here soon.
Speaker 2: Oh thank goodness that one boy was able to phone
Speaker 2: the police. Hey, like, thank goodness.
Speaker 1: Yep. Now, the Bever brothers were arrested and taken to
Speaker 1: the Broken Arrow City Jail, where they were interviewed in
Speaker 1: the morning of July twenty third. Now, while the Broken
Speaker 1: Arrow Police Department released footage of Michael's interrogation, which is
Speaker 1: available on YouTube to watch, and I have watched it.
Speaker 1: It is unsettling. Good job in that interrogator because I
Speaker 1: can't imagine being him. He did a very good job
Speaker 1: of playing buddy buddy with him, okay, And you could
Speaker 1: see on his face that a few times it's like
Speaker 1: fucking hurting him because the cell phone was allegedly it
Speaker 1: was Robert's cell phone that was like used in the
Speaker 1: call and smashed, and so he's describing like how he
Speaker 1: took the phone and he smashed it, and the interviewers like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: whose phone was it? And Robert's like, it was mine,
Speaker 1: and the interviewer's like, oh, well, now you don't have
Speaker 1: a phone. He's like having to like joke about it,
Speaker 1: like oh huh, and you could see like he does
Speaker 1: like he does not want to be laughing right now,
Speaker 1: but he's like making light of the situation to try
Speaker 1: and buddy him up and get more information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just trying to like do his job.
Speaker 1: The best he can, and he did phenomenal, but you
Speaker 1: can tell it was killing him on the inside for him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So sorry, that was Michael, sorry, not Robert. There was
Speaker 1: Michael during the interview and doing that, but Robert, his
Speaker 1: interview was allegedly sealed by court order and has not
Speaker 1: been released to public. Allegedly, during his interview, Robert reportedly
Speaker 1: glorified and boasted about the murders, vivorously revealing his desire
Speaker 1: for fame and media attention.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're like hiding that for to kind of
Speaker 2: keep some sort of goodness in humanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, well, you want fame and you're boasting
Speaker 1: like this, yet you're not going to get it.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, fuck you, we're closing this.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Michael recounted that the planning began two months prior to
Speaker 1: the actual murder, when Robert discovered that the you know,
Speaker 1: purchase of guns and ammunition online with or sorry, that
Speaker 1: he could do that without needing a permit, and their
Speaker 1: original plan involved killing their family, dismembering the bodies, and
Speaker 1: storing them in the attic oh. Afterwards, he intended to
Speaker 1: take the family's GMC yukon on a cross country killing
Speaker 1: spree towards Washington State, randomly shooting people at gas stations
Speaker 1: and restaurants along the way. Michael eventually disclosed that their
Speaker 1: ultimate goal was to achieve notoriety and quote set a record,
Speaker 1: although he insisted that these ambitions primarily belonged to Robert.
Speaker 1: Michael claimed that he hadn't directly killed anyone and only
Speaker 1: participated under Robert's threat of death.
Speaker 2: Do you recall if Robert was is he the older brother?
Speaker 2: I know that wasn't much aged.
Speaker 1: Robert is the older. Robert is eighteen, and Michael is.
Speaker 1: I saw some reports of him saying seventeen or sixteen,
Speaker 1: so he's either sixteen or seventeen. So Robert is an adult.
Speaker 1: Michael is a juvenile, okay, which we talk about later. Now. However,
Speaker 1: detectives confronted Michael with Robert's statement that he hadn't really
Speaker 1: participated or sorry that he had participated. So they're like,
Speaker 1: Robert says he didn't participate, and it's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: he did, so yeah, and then Michael then sorry, I
Speaker 1: keep getting the boys mixed up. Robert's the older, Michael's younger.
Speaker 1: So they approached Robert. Michael said he didn't really participate, okay,
Speaker 1: and then Robert is like, well, no, he did, and
Speaker 1: so they went back to Robert and started to Michael,
Speaker 1: and Michael admitted to stabbing his mother from behind, and
Speaker 1: it would later be proven with you know, forensic evidence
Speaker 1: that he did actively stab others as well as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so he is playing light on what on
Speaker 2: his involvement.
Speaker 1: He is trying to definitely do that. And I mean
Speaker 1: even still despite his claims of like, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't really participate, which was proven wrong, and his claims
Speaker 1: of you know, being coerced like or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: is brother's going to hold above him. He the evidence
Speaker 1: clearly shows premeditation and an active involvement in the murders.
Speaker 1: Like not only did he participate in the planning part
Speaker 1: of the killing and stabbing his family members, he didn't
Speaker 1: report it, He didn't do anything. He planned ahead with
Speaker 1: his brother brother, and he took part with his brother.
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. I guess I'm just thinking, like
Speaker 2: there's a teeny tiny bit maybe of remorse coming out
Speaker 2: a little bit with him, as opposed to Robert, who
Speaker 2: is just like, Yeah.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think the remorse may not so
Speaker 1: much be remorseful about what he did. It's remorseful of
Speaker 1: being caught and.
Speaker 2: Like the actions he has to face now, I think.
Speaker 1: So, okay, I think so. I mean, there are some
Speaker 1: some interviews later on down the like in a couple
Speaker 1: of years after, which I did not include in my
Speaker 1: write up for this because I was like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about that. But since we're
Speaker 1: on the topic, I might as well. Where he like,
Speaker 1: he's talking about how he expects to like just wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning and go like talk to one
Speaker 1: of his brothers or sisters, but it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I killed them. H yeah. He's like, I can't believe,
Speaker 1: like it actually happened, like we actually went through with that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I should just be able to go
Speaker 1: talk with my family, but they're gone, I killed them.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. It's almost like he just has he's like compartmentalized.
Speaker 1: Or something compartmentalized.
Speaker 2: Yet yeah, it in his head.
Speaker 1: I think it's it does come down to the fact
Speaker 1: that their upbringing and being a bit shielded, so it's
Speaker 1: like they're like, yeah, we can go do this thing.
Speaker 1: We can kill people, and it's like they're not really
Speaker 1: understanding the repercussions. They fully knew they were killing someone,
Speaker 1: but they never thought about, oh, thirty years down the road,
Speaker 1: they're still gone. Thirty years down the road, I still
Speaker 1: killed them. Thirty years down the road, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to be serving rather than like they're probably like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to be famous. People are going to fucking
Speaker 1: be talking about us. That's all they were thinking about
Speaker 1: down the road, not what it actually means to do
Speaker 1: something so fucking vile.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's really interesting, hey, holy so.
Speaker 1: On July thirty first, the brothers were formally charged with
Speaker 1: five counts of first degree murder and one count of
Speaker 1: assault and battery with intent to kill for attacking Crystal.
Speaker 1: By the Friday, Crystal was in stable condition, but required
Speaker 1: multiple surgeries over the following months, and as I already
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, she did survive.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Both brothers pleaded not guilty to the charges. Despite Michael
Speaker 1: being a minor, he was charged as an adult.
Speaker 2: Good okay.
Speaker 1: His defense team filed a motion to have him tried
Speaker 1: as juvenile, but the appeal failed. In October twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: a Tulsa County judge ruled that Michael would be tried
Speaker 1: as an adult officially due to the severity of his crimes,
Speaker 1: which I can wholeheartedly appreciate and agree makes sense. On
Speaker 1: June seventeenth, twenty sixteen, the oldest brother, Robert Bever, attempted
Speaker 1: to hang himself in jail by tying a sheet around
Speaker 1: his neck and sleeping boat, which is kind of like
Speaker 1: this like basket bed sort of situation. I think they
Speaker 1: do that to avoid like materials or things it could
Speaker 1: use for other purposes. I don't know, but it's this
Speaker 1: specific thing for prison anyways, propping this boat up against
Speaker 1: the toilet and then like hanging himself off it. But
Speaker 1: he was unsuccessful. By September, Robert's defense strategy shifted from
Speaker 1: his original not guilty and he accepted a plea deal
Speaker 1: in order to avoid the death penalty. Being that he
Speaker 1: was eighteen, he was up for the death penalty. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this had an upside to it as well that
Speaker 1: we are going to like this meant that it spared
Speaker 1: Crystal from being showing up in court. She would avoid
Speaker 1: any sort of testifying against her brother in trial, and
Speaker 1: of course preventing a lot of trauma that would potentially go.
Speaker 2: Along, right. Well, yeah, and like she's already facing just
Speaker 2: immense trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So on September seventh, twenty sixteenth, Robert Bever was
Speaker 1: sentenced to five life sentences without the possibility of parole,
Speaker 1: plus an additional life sentence for the attack on Crystal
Speaker 1: Okay total six life sentences. Michael, being a minor, was
Speaker 1: not eligible for the death penalty, so his case proceeded
Speaker 1: to trial. As he pled not guilty on May ninth,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, Michael Bever was found guilty on all accounts.
Speaker 1: On August ninth, Judge Holmes sentenced him to five consecutive
Speaker 1: life sentences and an additional twenty eight years for assaulting Crystal,
Speaker 1: so essentially the exact same as his brother.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: During the trial, Michael expressed his reluctancy to carry out
Speaker 1: the attack on that day. He stated he only went
Speaker 1: through with the plan because Robert threatened him and he said, quote,
Speaker 1: he was going to do it no matter what he said.
Speaker 1: If I didn't, he would kill me two. Although his
Speaker 1: exact role in the attack was debated, he was ultimately
Speaker 1: a willing participant in the murders on that night, As
Speaker 1: it was revealed the planning had occurred for two months.
Speaker 2: It's a long time to bring that up to someone
Speaker 2: or confess.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So he took part for two months in
Speaker 1: the planning and actually took part that night. There's a
Speaker 1: lot you can do in two months, and he didn't
Speaker 1: do any of it, so a lot of people speculate
Speaker 1: whether he really was, whether it was an actual threat
Speaker 1: or not. Is that actually there? Did he actually threaten?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 1: Are you making this up? You're trying to cover your tracks.
Speaker 1: So in July of twenty nineteen, Robert Bever attempted to
Speaker 1: attack two prison staff members with a shive while behind bars,
Speaker 1: but was quickly and easily taken down. As a result,
Speaker 1: he received an additional life sentence in twenty twenty for
Speaker 1: the assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. So he
Speaker 1: is now serving seven consecutive life sentences and he's.
Speaker 2: Just obviously continuing to thrive in prison. Hey gosh, wow, this,
Speaker 2: I'm that's shocking so correct. I don't know why. Actually,
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be shocking and all that
Speaker 2: he did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Currently Robert is serving his sentence at Joseph Harp
Speaker 1: Correctional Center in Lexington, Oklahoma, while Michael is incarcerated at
Speaker 1: Lexington Correctional Center. The two were purposely separated and will
Speaker 1: not be seeing the inside of the same prison ever.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's probably a good.
Speaker 1: Idea, Hey, yeah, I think so, especially considering their history
Speaker 1: of banning shit together, you know.
Speaker 2: And I mean so yeah, just never. They're never going
Speaker 2: to see a family member ever again, I feel like I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so. I highly doubt that either of their
Speaker 1: sisters are going to come visit them.
Speaker 2: Wow, huh, Yeah, this is this is just mind blowing
Speaker 2: this case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know when I when I discovered it, I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck? No, shit, Like, not only
Speaker 1: are these two shitty for like what they did, every
Speaker 1: fucking reason and excuse that they have is shittier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's absurd. It blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that one who phoned nine to one
Speaker 2: one is a hero. I agree because just imagine, like
Speaker 2: he's he he potentially saved like numerous other people.
Speaker 1: Right. Oh yeah, No, they were gonna hopefully get over
Speaker 1: to fifty and I don't know if I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say because they intended on staying in
Speaker 1: the house a little bit getting their shit together, right,
Speaker 1: because they had to take a shipment.
Speaker 2: Too, wig wait for the arrival of the shipment, yeah.
Speaker 1: The ammunition and stuff. Yeah, so okay, say they had
Speaker 1: to wait for the shipment. Would that shipment be arrived
Speaker 1: or arriving at the front door would they have cleaned
Speaker 1: up the blood? Yeah, would someone have noticed something? I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that, you know, it wouldn't have gone unnoticed,
Speaker 1: or it would have him just saying like they were
Speaker 1: clearly idiots. Obviously they're fucking idiots. Would they have actually
Speaker 1: managed to get us, get their shit together to get
Speaker 1: the shipment, get their stuff, pack it into the family
Speaker 1: vehicle and gone before someone notices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's really hard to say for sure
Speaker 2: if they would, but you think, yeah, you think like
Speaker 2: a neighbor or something or someone would notice something.
Speaker 1: Right well, And the thing is, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: there was like like the neighborhood was like house house
Speaker 1: house house. It sounds like there's like some trees and
Speaker 1: like lawns and a bit of property. Like I'm assuming
Speaker 1: like probably each house is at least half an acre
Speaker 1: property or something like that, which hell, yeah, love that.
Speaker 1: So like I don't think it's like immediate vicinity of
Speaker 1: like people maybe even being able to see the front
Speaker 1: door of your home.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: Now this family murder, the Bever family murder, were of
Speaker 1: course one of the most grim crimes in the history
Speaker 1: of Broken Arrow. The Bever home after this all occurred
Speaker 1: set abandoned for several years, no one was interested in
Speaker 1: purchasing the property. With its dark past, it became an
Speaker 1: eyesore or for everyone in the community, was only a
Speaker 1: reminder of the horrors every time they went past it. Eventually,
Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances, the house burned down suddenly, likely of arson.
Speaker 1: Probably yeah, and that occurred on March eighteenth, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: The following month, city Councilor Mike Lester raised enough money
Speaker 1: to purchase the property from the city or sorry for
Speaker 1: the city, and two years later, on March twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Broken Arrow opened Reflection Park in
Speaker 1: memory of the victims and the first responders who reported
Speaker 1: to the scene where the house once stood.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, And so, to quote that city councilor, he said, quote,
Speaker 1: we can never erase the tragedy that occurred here, but
Speaker 1: we are making a statement with Reflection Park that we
Speaker 1: will not allow evil to define who we are and
Speaker 1: the high standards we hold as a community.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really nice. Actually, hey, so props to that
Speaker 2: city councilor no kidding.
Speaker 1: And that is the case of the Broken Arrow killings.
Speaker 2: Huh wow, my heart just feels like so heavy right now,
Speaker 2: like this is this is brutal. I feel like we
Speaker 2: haven't done this brutal of one in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I could just solve right now. It's unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It is. Everything about it is so fucking heavy, everything
Speaker 1: right down to their reaction of should we do it now?
Speaker 1: Like at the very beginning, like it's so casual, which
Speaker 1: I believe it was the younger brother turning to the
Speaker 1: older brother like should we do it now? And he's
Speaker 1: like yeah, And then there's they clearly planned like how
Speaker 1: they're going to do this. They probably planned on calling
Speaker 1: someone in like hey, check us out in the computer,
Speaker 1: because that's what they just went into. They probably fucking
Speaker 1: rehearsed it, choreographed it or some shit.
Speaker 2: Oh. I mean I am thankful that like or Autumn
Speaker 2: has crystal right so do but still well.
Speaker 1: And one of the details about this that is so
Speaker 1: fucked up is that they plan to decapitate Autumn, the
Speaker 1: two year old sister, the youngest sister. Why why that's
Speaker 1: not just killing someone there there's pleasure in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a sick, twisted, fucked up kind of pleasure
Speaker 1: in doing that.
Speaker 2: Well, like, because what did the siblings exactly do to them?
Speaker 2: You know, like you said that the dad, you know,
Speaker 2: was a little bit abusive, right, Yeah, so it makes sense.
Speaker 2: But like or I'm also thinking maybe they were super
Speaker 2: jealous potentially of like autumn or the younger kids. Maybe
Speaker 2: they felt like the parents gave them more attention or
Speaker 2: they got more or something.
Speaker 1: None of that came up. Huh, none of it came up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, there's like so much hatred. A lot
Speaker 2: of them got stabbed like so many times, right, which is.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was hatred. I personally don't think
Speaker 1: it was hatred. I don't think any abuse that they
Speaker 1: may have had from their father played any part in this.
Speaker 1: I think if it did, all it did was feed
Speaker 1: them to be a little bit aggressive. But I don't
Speaker 1: think any of it played out in hatred. If anything
Speaker 1: was hatred, it was they probably only did it to
Speaker 1: their father.
Speaker 2: Gosh, well, it's just it's unfathomable to me though that this,
Speaker 2: Like it's just yeah, I'm trying to like come up
Speaker 2: with reasons, but there's just there's.
Speaker 1: No well, That's why I think it's so fucked up
Speaker 1: that they're just going to decapitate a two year old's head,
Speaker 1: because why would there be hatred at a two year
Speaker 1: old And you're going to do the most grotesque thing
Speaker 1: to them? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Well, they maybe thought they could like easily more easily, right, because.
Speaker 1: They're to me, it's to me, it's a statement of
Speaker 1: their legacy. They wanted to get so many kills, and
Speaker 1: they probably pictured what people are going to say when
Speaker 1: they find their family members in the home.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they did it with a specific intention of
Speaker 1: leaving behind a legacy. We stabbed them so many times.
Speaker 1: It was so brutal. We'd cut off a two year
Speaker 1: old's head, and they fucking loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh, holy shit.
Speaker 1: I think it had everything to do with they were striving.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, this I don't know. This case to me
Speaker 2: is just it's just something I just can't understand.
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, yeah, so that's the case. Hopefully you
Speaker 1: got through it. Hopefully you're able to stomach this one.
Speaker 1: It is fucked up. These two are going to be
Speaker 1: behind barsh the rest of their fucking life, and good riddance,
Speaker 1: and like you said, hopefully they never do see another
Speaker 1: family member's face for the rest of their life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they don't deserve it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: And I hope so much that Autumn Crystal live amazing
Speaker 1: lives and they're there to support each other.
Speaker 2: I know, I really hope that their lives are good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, that would be my one wish for sure. So wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still okay processing like presenting and just having
Speaker 2: to listen, right, there's a big difference because you know
Speaker 2: what's going to be said, ye, and I'm over here
Speaker 2: just being like, what the fuck just happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part, I've already processed all that
Speaker 1: what the fuck because I've been researching for days, right,
Speaker 1: so I've already gone through it. And you're sitting here
Speaker 1: gob smacked at this point, just like, yeah, oh very.
Speaker 2: Much so this episode. So I feel like sorry if
Speaker 2: I'm just in the clouds right now. But anyway, that
Speaker 2: was good. I mean, you did a good job. You
Speaker 2: did a good job. Sorry, that came out really fucked up.
Speaker 1: That was horrific. Yeah and uh that and we will
Speaker 1: see you next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So until next time, stay wicked.