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<v Speaker 1>In the bever home in twenty fifteen. Everything seemed normal,

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<v Speaker 1>the day was coming to an end, and everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready for bed. Then suddenly, the quiet family home

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<v Speaker 1>quickly turned into something straight out of a nightmare when

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<v Speaker 1>one of the kids let out a blood curdling scream

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<v Speaker 1>and made their way down the stairs of the home

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<v Speaker 1>with blood pouring from their slashed throat behind her. She

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<v Speaker 1>was quickly followed by her two older brothers, who had

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<v Speaker 1>just begun their vicious attack on the whole family. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the Broken Arrow Killings.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>The following and material intended at your audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, good morning, And I say good morning because we're

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<v Speaker 1>actually recording this in the morning right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got coffee and hot chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Nicole's not a coffee drinker.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very odd she rocks the hot chocolate while I

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<v Speaker 1>got the coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, but I don't feel like hot chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>wakes me up quite as much as a coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not. Coffee's got the caffeine that kick, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even still, it doesn't wake me up a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more of well, I've said it on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't drink coffee for the caffeine. I drink it

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<v Speaker 1>for like the warm hug. That yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that's actually really cool about like like rituals is

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<v Speaker 1>that if you sign up for a Patreon at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the month, every last day, you get an

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive episode. And we have some patrons to thank who

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<v Speaker 1>have signed up for Patreon. They get that episode and

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<v Speaker 1>all the extra behind the scenes they sure do, so

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<v Speaker 1>thank you too, Hannah Campbell, Bitter Unicorn, Cassie Wibblin, and

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina Loanzo. Thank you so much for signing up and

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<v Speaker 1>supporting the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We super freaking appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you like my transitions. I've been doing my second.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've been on them. I was chuckling behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes there because I was like, here we go again.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to do these good like segues into

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you, I appreciate it. I've been putting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of effort into it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're doing real good. But now there's this expectation,

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<v Speaker 2>like you set the bar high here.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe next episode, I will not have a segue if

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, do as rough e a transition as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like we're talking about Teddy Bears and Unicorn and

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<v Speaker 1>being like sign up for a Patreon. There's something just

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<v Speaker 1>so drastic. Just throw one for a loop is what

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<v Speaker 1>I should probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Do, maybe because it might be something that's hard to maintain, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I just realized we've got to play our little background

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<v Speaker 2>There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's for the video. Just so everyone's aware,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have a video form of this podcast. You

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<v Speaker 1>can head over to one of our YouTube channels, which

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<v Speaker 1>is linked down below. We just recently started putting out

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<v Speaker 1>the video content of it, so you can't go back

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<v Speaker 1>in our whole library. But we do have about ten

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<v Speaker 1>episodes put out. Yeah, you can go watch from here

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's awesome. So, yeah, I'm quite nervous for this case. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a doozy.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize what we were getting ourselves into.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, it's a doozy one. That was quite the intro.

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to give away a little bit of some

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<v Speaker 1>of the brutality that immediately occurs in that intro, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a very brutal case, so you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for it, I think? So, okay, Well, this is called

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<v Speaker 1>the Broken Arrow killings, the Broken Arrow massacre. Usually Broken

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<v Speaker 1>Arrow Killings is what it's referred to, but of course

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<v Speaker 1>there's other variations. So Broken Arrow is actually the town

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<v Speaker 1>in which it took place.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a quiet Wednesday night on July twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, and Broken Arrow, the Bever family household, usually

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<v Speaker 1>filled with commotion as the family was made up of

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<v Speaker 1>nine individuals, two parents and seven children, was quieting down

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<v Speaker 1>for the evening. Now in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, the family's

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<v Speaker 1>home is located in a suburban neighborhood. It seemed peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>on the outside, but shortly after, sorry, shortly before nine

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<v Speaker 1>thirty pm, everything would change. Thirteen year old Crystal Bever

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<v Speaker 1>was headed upstairs to her brother's bedroom. She was headed

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<v Speaker 1>up there with a simple request from their mother, some chores.

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<v Speaker 1>Their mother, April Bever, age forty four, had spent the

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<v Speaker 1>week planning a birthday celebration for the youngest family member, Autumn,

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<v Speaker 1>who was soon turning two years old. The house was

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<v Speaker 1>filled with the usual pre birthday excitement, yet a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of tension lingered, something that was going unnoticed. Cristel entered

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<v Speaker 1>her brother's bedroom. There, she found her brother eighteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old Robert and seventeen year old Michael, who had shared

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<v Speaker 1>a bedroom. They were dawning and assembling body armor on themselves. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this peculiar scene was not entirely new to her. It

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<v Speaker 1>was something that they were recently diving into. The once

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<v Speaker 1>quiet and introverted teens had developed this unsettling fascination with firearms, knives,

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<v Speaker 1>body armors, and also serial killers in the recent months.

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<v Speaker 1>Cristal had mentioned this to her her parents before, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit concerned about it, thinking like it's kind of odd,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit creepy. But the parents, April and David Bever,

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<v Speaker 1>their fifty two year old father, dismissed it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of like it's just a new interest.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just exploring things. You know, boys get into liking

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<v Speaker 1>knives or playing Call of Duty on Xbox and guns

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<v Speaker 1>typical teenage behavior, is what they figured it was. So

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal walks into the room and sees this familiar sight

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<v Speaker 1>of them wearing armor, having knives spread out on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed, and she talks to her brothers and say,

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<v Speaker 1>Mom wants you to finish the dishes before you go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed. Suddenly, one brother turns to the other and

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<v Speaker 1>poses a bit of a question, something a little bit cryptic.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, should we do it now? Unaware of the

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<v Speaker 1>impending horror behind that question, Crystal responded casually, well, I'm here, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want? Michael Bever signaled christ Crystal to

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<v Speaker 1>check something on his computer screen. As she turned towards

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<v Speaker 1>the illumination monitor, Robert, the other brother, quietly approached from behind,

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<v Speaker 1>took a knife, wrapped it around her, and slashed her

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<v Speaker 1>throat with a knife in one swift motion. The brother's

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<v Speaker 1>only exposure to sudden such violence had come from TV shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and they imagine this would be a quick and silent kill,

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<v Speaker 1>similar to action movies, you know, when someone's walking through halls,

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<v Speaker 1>taking out people quickly and quietly to make their way

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<v Speaker 1>into somewhere they're trying to navigate. However, the reality is

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<v Speaker 1>vastly different. Crystal didn't immediately die and fall to the

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<v Speaker 1>floor silently like they expected, She let out a blood

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<v Speaker 1>curdling scream and staggered backwards, blood gushing from her neck. Determined,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert continued his attack, stabbing her multiple times in the chest,

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<v Speaker 1>thought about running to her room, thought about trying to

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<v Speaker 1>grab her phone, but decided instead to make her way

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<v Speaker 1>downstairs and head for the door to go outside, hoping

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<v Speaker 1>She made her way outside and collapsed in the front yard,

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<v Speaker 1>her throat deeply slashed, lungs filling with her own blood,

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<v Speaker 1>and an organ even protruding from her stomach wound. Hearing

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<v Speaker 1>the horrific noise, the mother, April, rushed upstairs and as

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal was descending, April encountered Robert, who now launched an

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<v Speaker 1>attack on his mother, inflicting at least forty eight knife

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<v Speaker 1>wounds upon her. An investigator later remarked it was quote

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<v Speaker 1>more wounds than I had ever seen in anybody ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, you're really just starting us off here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I told you we are diving straight into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. My eyes are just like bulging out of my face.

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<v Speaker 1>Your reactions so far or something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So Robert now had returned to Crystal, who was still

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<v Speaker 1>alive at this point and bleeding in the front yard.

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<v Speaker 1>He kneeled beside her and he began to strangle her

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<v Speaker 1>until he heard a final gurgle as blood filled her

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<v Speaker 1>throat and lungs, and Crystal went limp. Robert dragged her

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<v Speaker 1>back into the house. The brothers together moved on. The

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<v Speaker 1>house had turned into a scene of absolute chaos, reminiscent

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<v Speaker 1>of a horror movie, something right out of Hollywood's worst

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<v Speaker 1>production ever. The attacker's younger siblings, seven year old Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>and five year old Victoria, were petrified. They were unaware

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<v Speaker 1>of what was going on. All they knew was screams

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<v Speaker 1>were happening. It was panic, and these two kids didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do. The only thing they could think

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<v Speaker 1>to do was hide, So together they locked themselves in

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, hysterical and seeking some sort of safety and sancty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're in their safe place right now, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>in their hon yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy now. The brothers together quickly found their younger siblings

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<v Speaker 1>hiding in the bathroom, and one of them knocked on

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<v Speaker 1>the door. Michael pretended to be panicked, and he whispered

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<v Speaker 1>through the door, let me in, he's gonna kill me

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to help, their brother, Christopher opened the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yes, okay, this is just getting worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, now the two brothers, Michael and Robert had

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<v Speaker 1>access into the bathroom that was previously locked where Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>and Christopher were hiding. As they opened the door, the

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<v Speaker 1>two brothers entered, and it was too late. The brothers

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<v Speaker 1>swiftly continued their attack upon their younger siblings. Christopher was

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<v Speaker 1>stabbed six times and Victoria was stabbed eighteen times in

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<v Speaker 1>the neck, chest, back, in upper arms. Now, during this assault,

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<v Speaker 1>their father, David, at some point tried to intervene, and

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<v Speaker 1>he lunged towards his two sons. His efforts, though, were

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately in vain. The boys were armed and he was not.

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<v Speaker 1>He was stabbed twenty eight times and suffered blunt force

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<v Speaker 1>injuries all over his body. Meanwhile, in the house, while

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's screaming, dying, crying, you name it, twelve year old

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel managed to lock himself in a room and dialed nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine one broken air nine one one, Hello, Hello, Hi,

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<v Speaker 4>where are you at?

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<v Speaker 3>Broke it out.

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<v Speaker 5>Oklaholm some four one one whatever, rest doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm okay, are you the only one there?

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<v Speaker 5>No, my dais attacking the family.

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<v Speaker 4>Your dad is attacking your family. No, my dude, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>who's attacking your family? Who's attacking your family?

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<v Speaker 5>Who is it?

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<v Speaker 2>They?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you there?

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<v Speaker 3>Little Hi?

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<v Speaker 5>What's going on there? What's going on there?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello?

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<v Speaker 5>Hello?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Wow wow wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like the two brothers had done before to their

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<v Speaker 1>other siblings, Christopher and Victoria, Michael managed to convince his

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<v Speaker 1>younger brother to open the door while he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with nine one one. The brothers came in,

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<v Speaker 1>took the cell phone from him. As you heard him

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully, the police began banging on the front door of

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Ben, what the hell are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling the story. It's a fucking horrible story,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is unbelievable. This is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so. And this is when they began banging

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<v Speaker 1>the officers that were responding, they forced their way into

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<v Speaker 2>Is she alive?

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<v Speaker 1>She was alive?

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I was thinking that the two years or

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, Crystal was still alive. Her brother who knelt down

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my word, so he let up and she was

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<v Speaker 2>I'm shook. I would I out of anyone, I would

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<v Speaker 2>not have thought that she would have, I know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>She was able to tell the officers that her brothers

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<v Speaker 1>they were in the house. So the officers got her

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<v Speaker 1>to safety, got her medical attention, and they continued sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>and still be able to be saved, and leaving others

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<v Speaker 1>because it was clear they were deceased. Upstairs, they found

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, just like such a little angel, just like so

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<v Speaker 1>Is, it is. I can't imagine the trauma would have

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on. Yeah, So Autumn and her older

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<v Speaker 1>Bever family that would survive the attack from the brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Crystal actually survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, she would survive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I just have to say too that like nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one operator had no idea, like to the extent

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<v Speaker 2>of what was going on really through that call.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I know you can hear the desperation in that

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<v Speaker 1>operator though. Oh you hear how fast and how vivorous

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<v Speaker 1>she's Oh she was honest, Yeah, typing like crazy, so

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<v Speaker 1>good on that operator.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew something was going down, but like, man, the

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<v Speaker 2>extent of what it was is was is mind blowing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I kind of imagine the pit in that

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<v Speaker 1>person's stomach when they would have heard another voice go

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<v Speaker 1>hello and then the disconnected And then.

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<v Speaker 2>Also I'm I just have to say one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm shocked that that. I'm almost shocked that this carried

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<v Speaker 2>on because it seeming like these boys don't really have

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<v Speaker 2>any experience and like the Crystal and Crystal like to

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<v Speaker 2>the extent of, you know, not dying instantly. I'm almost

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<v Speaker 2>surprised that they they were this vicious and this like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the words, but to carry on, like

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<v Speaker 2>to carry on through the whole thing like this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what you mean to carry on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that they didn't they weren't them killing their sister

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<v Speaker 2>like that, They just had so much brutality in them

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<v Speaker 2>to like carry on after the initial shock of seeing

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<v Speaker 2>how it affected Crystal and like, okay, so like her

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<v Speaker 2>like getting away and the blood coming out and everything, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm shocked that they were able to just keep going

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<v Speaker 2>go on to.

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<v Speaker 1>The next family member. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I almost would think after listening to that, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to stop at this, Like this is shocking enough. Almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get into some of that here soon, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Actually, some of it in particular here is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up almost immediately on their reaction, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll touch on that. So the officers went through

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<v Speaker 1>the home, and the house is now cleared, and the

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<v Speaker 1>police knew that the boys escaped out of the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the home rather obviously, and on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the home there was some wooded property and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they would be. So it now turned into a manhunt.

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<v Speaker 1>But the man hunt would not last very long itself.

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<v Speaker 1>With a canine unit brought in. The two were quickly

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<v Speaker 1>and neither really resisted too much when they were found. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the photos of the two boys that were taken as

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<v Speaker 1>boys wearing their body armor underneath their t shirts, one

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<v Speaker 1>with his shirt tore up from the canine attack. But

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<v Speaker 1>both of them were covered in mud and covered in

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<v Speaker 1>blood of their family members. But the worst part of

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<v Speaker 1>it all was their demeanor. A quote from an officer officer,

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<v Speaker 1>I sorry, Corporal Leon Colin goes quote, they weren't upset.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't distropped. It's almost like they had a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of cawkiness. It looked to me like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>So you look at the photos, one of them, like

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<v Speaker 1>neither of them were were crying or upset, but one

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<v Speaker 1>of them is just kind of like stone cold, and

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<v Speaker 1>the other boy is one hundred percent smiling.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously. Yeah, holy shit. They must just have some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like just huge hatred towards their family or something

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<v Speaker 2>that they've just like developed this wall or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to like the answer to that. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we dive too much into that or any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of aftermath, we're going to rewind a bit and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about the events that led up to it all,

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<v Speaker 1>which might give you some ideas somewhere that might head. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>in the years before that fateful night, the Bever family

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<v Speaker 1>led a secluded and quiet life in the Indian Springs

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood south of Broken Arrow. So they're not quite in

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<v Speaker 1>Broken Arrow, just you know, on the outskirts by the

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<v Speaker 1>sounds of it. Now known for its serene residential vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, it's well kept Parks middle class demographic.

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<v Speaker 1>Broken Arrow is the largest suburb of Tulsa and the

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<v Speaker 1>the larger homes in the area and a household bustling

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<v Speaker 1>with seven children, the Bevers maintained minimal contact with those

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<v Speaker 1>in their community. They kept to themselves, The children were

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<v Speaker 1>rarely seen playing outside the parents. They kept to themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and little was really known about the famili's everyday activities. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this deliberate isolation was by design of the parents. April

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<v Speaker 1>homeschooled their children and did not engage with local homeschooling

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<v Speaker 1>groups like many others did you know, maybe feeding off

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<v Speaker 1>each other educational wise or layout wise on how they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go about things, or structure whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 1>April kind of headed it on her own. Now. April, however,

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<v Speaker 1>was an active Reddit user, where she frequently discussed topics

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<v Speaker 1>related to homeschooling. There you know, upbringing children and even

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<v Speaker 1>premature births as well. The youngest child, Autumn, was born prematurely,

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<v Speaker 1>which prompted April to establish a nonprofit organization called Autumn Hope, Inc.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was done to establish Families with sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>assist families with premature babies, which freaking love that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. David worked as a technology consultant, and he and

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<v Speaker 1>April encouraged their kids, particularly their two eldest Robert and Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue their interest in computer technology. Now Robert and

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<v Speaker 1>micro Michael were especially drawn to this, spending extensive amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time online watching YouTube videos, which led them to

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<v Speaker 1>creating their own YouTube videos. Even being online, the boys

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<v Speaker 1>began to dive into some more taboo topics, some things

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<v Speaker 1>that were otherwise not really talked about in the home,

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<v Speaker 1>and things that the boys were somewhat shielded from as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to them developing a fascination with some more

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<v Speaker 1>violent type content. April and David were both devoutly religious individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted to protect their children from aspects of

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<v Speaker 1>the outside world, you know, evil or harmful people. However,

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<v Speaker 1>their tendency or sorry, their leniency with technology had unforeseen repercussions.

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<v Speaker 1>The two brothers became obsessed with this destructive ideology as

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<v Speaker 1>they watched these horrible things unfold online and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things that they really couldn't fully comprehend because of their

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<v Speaker 1>limited real world experience and being shielded and staying at

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<v Speaker 1>home teenagers, the two boys developed a particular interest in

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<v Speaker 1>school shooters, ones like Columbine, for example. They found these

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<v Speaker 1>thrilling and began to almost see this as an achievable goal,

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<v Speaker 1>something they could do.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, one can only speculate really on how this obsession

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<v Speaker 1>it was because of being shielded from the or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't say for sure that it was because of

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<v Speaker 1>being shielded from the real world or the violence that

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<v Speaker 1>they had allegedly endured at home as well, because you see,

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<v Speaker 1>the boys were not brought up in the perfect home

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<v Speaker 1>or atmosphere. Crystal, the surviving sister, later recounted that their father, David,

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<v Speaker 1>frequently subjected the two brothers to verbal and physical abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>During trial, Robert quoted his father and mother and told

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom quote, they told us the world was full

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<v Speaker 1>of people who wanted to hurt us. He also claimed

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<v Speaker 1>their father would threaten them by saying, quote, you any

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<v Speaker 1>time I want now. If true, this, Mary very well

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<v Speaker 1>may have played a key role in Robert's deepening obsession

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<v Speaker 1>with violence and notorious killers like the Columbine shooters, James

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes and An obsession with the two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 1>movie Rampage. But in the summer of twenty fifteen, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Bevertt actually worked at a religious call center called Make

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<v Speaker 1>a Tech, where he answered calls from individuals seeking prayer

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<v Speaker 1>and spiritual guidance. Now, this situation is early reminiscent of

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Bundy's stint where he worked at a suicide hotline.

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<v Speaker 1>And perhaps if Robert was aware that tud Bed tud

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<v Speaker 1>Bendy Ted Bundy there we go worked at a hotline,

425
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.079
<v Speaker 1>he may very well have felt some sort of connection

426
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 1>in some way. But that's hearsay, I kind of digress. Wow,

427
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:55.759
<v Speaker 1>but his obsession with these killings, he very well might have.

428
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Had that knowledge, Yeah, very much so.

429
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Now with his earnings from this job, Robert began purchasing

430
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>supplies such as body armor, knives, and even a small crossbow.

431
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.799
<v Speaker 1>His sister Crystal noticed the accumulating arsenal in her brother's

432
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>bedroom brought it up to her parents, but as I

433
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, they just kind of brushed it off basically

434
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 1>as boys being boys. Little did anyone know that this

435
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 1>would become something much more and what the brothers were

436
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>really capable of?

437
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, who would ever imagine something like this happening.

438
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, the biggest part of it is they were

439
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 1>aspiring to be famous and they were trying to do

440
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>so on YouTube as well and being unsuccessful. The boys

441
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 1>saw how successful these murderers were in becoming famous with

442
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>these horrible acts that they were committing. They soon began

443
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about how they too could go kill people, and

444
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 1>how they could do it even better and how famous

445
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.319
<v Speaker 1>they would become as a result. They spent countless hours

446
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>studying the actions, outcomes, and everything to do with the

447
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>spree killers and school shooters. Robert and Michael decided to

448
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that they too were going to find their fame the

449
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>same way, but they aimed to get an even higher

450
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 1>body count than the rest.

451
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Jeez, this is unbelievable.

452
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is. These two they just wanted.

453
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 2>To kill and this is just their ticket to fame. Yep,

454
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:18.680
<v Speaker 2>what they're thinking.

455
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they wanted to stalk up on weapons and their

456
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>plan was to drive across America, unloading and killing anyone

457
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>they pleased. As they did so. Oh yep, with their

458
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>imaginations leading them through the scenario over and over and

459
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>over again, they were confident. They were confident that they

460
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 1>could easily rack up a body count of over fifty individuals,

461
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 1>giving them the fame that they desired.

462
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 2>What a fucking goal to have.

463
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Right, No shit good, It's disgusting, disgusting the that someone

464
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 1>goes that way. I could be famous if I just

465
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.559
<v Speaker 1>kill enough people, like fuck.

466
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>You, no kidding.

467
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, they began to stalk up and Robert started orring

468
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>guns and ammunition online. And allegedly I didn't research this

469
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:08.039
<v Speaker 1>one so much, especially considering it's a bit of a

470
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>taboo topic. It's kind of hard to really find out

471
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>for sure unless you really go through application processes, and

472
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not about to apply, especially not being a resident

473
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of the United States of America. But allegedly Robert was

474
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.839
<v Speaker 1>able to order these things online without a license. Okay,

475
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>but in late July he received a notification that a

476
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>large shipment of ammunition would be delivered to their home

477
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>on July twenty third. He quickly realized their parents would

478
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>be wondering why exactly he had ordered so much ammunition,

479
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 1>which was over one thousand rounds of forty five caliber

480
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 1>bullets and two hundred and fifty twelve gaue shotgun shells.

481
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>And that is when he came up with the plan.

482
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>He was going to get rid of his family. So

483
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>he accept the shipment and get ready for his assault

484
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 1>across the country. And so he did, which brings us

485
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 1>right up to where we left off, with an absolute

486
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.799
<v Speaker 1>massacre occurring inside their home and the boys being arrested

487
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>in the woods.

488
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>You good, I okay, I would not have even ever

489
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>guessed that, Like, this is just getting more and more

490
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and more fucked.

491
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. The reasoning is absurd. Oh, I got

492
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 1>a package coming. My parents are gonna ask questions.

493
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe no, not, let me expect kill the whole family.

494
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna kill everyone.

495
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow. And then they were so they were planning to

496
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 2>kill them probably like just keep the bodies in the

497
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>house and then go on their little adventure.

498
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you about that here soon.

499
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh thank goodness that one boy was able to phone

500
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 2>the police. Hey, like, thank goodness.

501
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now, the Bever brothers were arrested and taken to

502
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>the Broken Arrow City Jail, where they were interviewed in

503
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the morning of July twenty third. Now, while the Broken

504
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Arrow Police Department released footage of Michael's interrogation, which is

505
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>available on YouTube to watch, and I have watched it.

506
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 1>It is unsettling. Good job in that interrogator because I

507
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine being him. He did a very good job

508
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 1>of playing buddy buddy with him, okay, And you could

509
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>see on his face that a few times it's like

510
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking hurting him because the cell phone was allegedly it

511
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 1>was Robert's cell phone that was like used in the

512
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:24.279
<v Speaker 1>call and smashed, and so he's describing like how he

513
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 1>took the phone and he smashed it, and the interviewers like, oh, well,

514
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.319
<v Speaker 1>whose phone was it? And Robert's like, it was mine,

515
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and the interviewer's like, oh, well, now you don't have

516
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 1>a phone. He's like having to like joke about it,

517
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.839
<v Speaker 1>like oh huh, and you could see like he does

518
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>like he does not want to be laughing right now,

519
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>but he's like making light of the situation to try

520
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and buddy him up and get more information.

521
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just trying to like do his job.

522
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>The best he can, and he did phenomenal, but you

523
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 1>can tell it was killing him on the inside for him. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So sorry, that was Michael, sorry, not Robert. There was

525
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Michael during the interview and doing that, but Robert, his

526
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>interview was allegedly sealed by court order and has not

527
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>been released to public. Allegedly, during his interview, Robert reportedly

528
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>glorified and boasted about the murders, vivorously revealing his desire

529
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 1>for fame and media attention.

530
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're like hiding that for to kind of

531
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 2>keep some sort of goodness in humanity.

532
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, well, you want fame and you're boasting

533
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like this, yet you're not going to get it.

534
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Then yeah, fuck you, we're closing this.

535
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 3>So.

536
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Michael recounted that the planning began two months prior to

537
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the actual murder, when Robert discovered that the you know,

538
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 1>purchase of guns and ammunition online with or sorry, that

539
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 1>he could do that without needing a permit, and their

540
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>original plan involved killing their family, dismembering the bodies, and

541
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.799
<v Speaker 1>storing them in the attic oh. Afterwards, he intended to

542
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>take the family's GMC yukon on a cross country killing

543
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.279
<v Speaker 1>spree towards Washington State, randomly shooting people at gas stations

544
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 1>and restaurants along the way. Michael eventually disclosed that their

545
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.119
<v Speaker 1>ultimate goal was to achieve notoriety and quote set a record,

546
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>although he insisted that these ambitions primarily belonged to Robert.

547
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Michael claimed that he hadn't directly killed anyone and only

548
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>participated under Robert's threat of death.

549
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Do you recall if Robert was is he the older brother?

550
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I know that wasn't much aged.

551
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Robert is the older. Robert is eighteen, and Michael is.

552
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I saw some reports of him saying seventeen or sixteen,

553
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 1>so he's either sixteen or seventeen. So Robert is an adult.

554
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Michael is a juvenile, okay, which we talk about later. Now. However,

555
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>detectives confronted Michael with Robert's statement that he hadn't really

556
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>participated or sorry that he had participated. So they're like,

557
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Robert says he didn't participate, and it's like, oh, but

558
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>he did, so yeah, and then Michael then sorry, I

559
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 1>keep getting the boys mixed up. Robert's the older, Michael's younger.

560
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.119
<v Speaker 1>So they approached Robert. Michael said he didn't really participate, okay,

561
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 1>and then Robert is like, well, no, he did, and

562
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 1>so they went back to Robert and started to Michael,

563
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and Michael admitted to stabbing his mother from behind, and

564
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>it would later be proven with you know, forensic evidence

565
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>that he did actively stab others as well as well.

566
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, so he is playing light on what on

567
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>his involvement.

568
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>He is trying to definitely do that. And I mean

569
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>even still despite his claims of like, you know, I

570
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't really participate, which was proven wrong, and his claims

571
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 1>of you know, being coerced like or whatever it is,

572
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>is brother's going to hold above him. He the evidence

573
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>clearly shows premeditation and an active involvement in the murders.

574
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Like not only did he participate in the planning part

575
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of the killing and stabbing his family members, he didn't

576
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>report it, He didn't do anything. He planned ahead with

577
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 1>his brother brother, and he took part with his brother.

578
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one hundred percent. I guess I'm just thinking, like

579
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a teeny tiny bit maybe of remorse coming out

580
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>a little bit with him, as opposed to Robert, who

581
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>is just like, Yeah.

582
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, I think the remorse may not so

583
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>much be remorseful about what he did. It's remorseful of

584
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 1>being caught and.

585
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Like the actions he has to face now, I think.

586
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>So, okay, I think so. I mean, there are some

587
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>some interviews later on down the like in a couple

588
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of years after, which I did not include in my

589
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 1>write up for this because I was like, fuck you,

590
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to talk about that. But since we're

591
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>on the topic, I might as well. Where he like,

592
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>he's talking about how he expects to like just wake

593
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>up in the morning and go like talk to one

594
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of his brothers or sisters, but it's like, oh, yeah,

595
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I killed them. H yeah. He's like, I can't believe,

596
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>like it actually happened, like we actually went through with that.

597
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I should just be able to go

598
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 1>talk with my family, but they're gone, I killed them.

599
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. It's almost like he just has he's like compartmentalized.

600
00:34:58.519 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Or something compartmentalized.

601
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yet yeah, it in his head.

602
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it does come down to the fact

603
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 1>that their upbringing and being a bit shielded, so it's

604
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 1>like they're like, yeah, we can go do this thing.

605
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 1>We can kill people, and it's like they're not really

606
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>understanding the repercussions. They fully knew they were killing someone,

607
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>but they never thought about, oh, thirty years down the road,

608
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>they're still gone. Thirty years down the road, I still

609
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>killed them. Thirty years down the road, I'm still going

610
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 1>to be serving rather than like they're probably like, oh,

611
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be famous. People are going to fucking

612
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 1>be talking about us. That's all they were thinking about

613
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 1>down the road, not what it actually means to do

614
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>something so fucking vile.

615
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's really interesting, hey, holy so.

616
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>On July thirty first, the brothers were formally charged with

617
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>five counts of first degree murder and one count of

618
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>assault and battery with intent to kill for attacking Crystal.

619
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>By the Friday, Crystal was in stable condition, but required

620
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>multiple surgeries over the following months, and as I already

621
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, she did survive.

622
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

623
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Both brothers pleaded not guilty to the charges. Despite Michael

624
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>being a minor, he was charged as an adult.

625
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Good okay.

626
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 1>His defense team filed a motion to have him tried

627
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 1>as juvenile, but the appeal failed. In October twenty fifteen,

628
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>a Tulsa County judge ruled that Michael would be tried

629
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>as an adult officially due to the severity of his crimes,

630
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 1>which I can wholeheartedly appreciate and agree makes sense. On

631
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>June seventeenth, twenty sixteen, the oldest brother, Robert Bever, attempted

632
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 1>to hang himself in jail by tying a sheet around

633
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>his neck and sleeping boat, which is kind of like

634
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>this like basket bed sort of situation. I think they

635
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>do that to avoid like materials or things it could

636
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>use for other purposes. I don't know, but it's this

637
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>specific thing for prison anyways, propping this boat up against

638
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the toilet and then like hanging himself off it. But

639
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>he was unsuccessful. By September, Robert's defense strategy shifted from

640
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>his original not guilty and he accepted a plea deal

641
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>in order to avoid the death penalty. Being that he

642
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>was eighteen, he was up for the death penalty. Okay,

643
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>so this had an upside to it as well that

644
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>we are going to like this meant that it spared

645
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Crystal from being showing up in court. She would avoid

646
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>any sort of testifying against her brother in trial, and

647
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of course preventing a lot of trauma that would potentially go.

648
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Along, right. Well, yeah, and like she's already facing just

649
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 2>immense trauma.

650
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So on September seventh, twenty sixteenth, Robert Bever was

651
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to five life sentences without the possibility of parole,

652
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>plus an additional life sentence for the attack on Crystal

653
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay total six life sentences. Michael, being a minor, was

654
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 1>not eligible for the death penalty, so his case proceeded

655
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to trial. As he pled not guilty on May ninth,

656
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, Michael Bever was found guilty on all accounts.

657
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>On August ninth, Judge Holmes sentenced him to five consecutive

658
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 1>life sentences and an additional twenty eight years for assaulting Crystal,

659
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>so essentially the exact same as his brother.

660
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

661
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

662
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>During the trial, Michael expressed his reluctancy to carry out

663
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 1>the attack on that day. He stated he only went

664
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>through with the plan because Robert threatened him and he said, quote,

665
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>he was going to do it no matter what he said.

666
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>If I didn't, he would kill me two. Although his

667
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>exact role in the attack was debated, he was ultimately

668
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a willing participant in the murders on that night, As

669
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>it was revealed the planning had occurred for two months.

670
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a long time to bring that up to someone

671
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>or confess.

672
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, So he took part for two months in

673
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 1>the planning and actually took part that night. There's a

674
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 1>lot you can do in two months, and he didn't

675
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.639
<v Speaker 1>do any of it, so a lot of people speculate

676
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 1>whether he really was, whether it was an actual threat

677
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>or not. Is that actually there? Did he actually threaten?

678
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 5>You?

679
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Are you making this up? You're trying to cover your tracks.

680
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.320
<v Speaker 1>So in July of twenty nineteen, Robert Bever attempted to

681
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>attack two prison staff members with a shive while behind bars,

682
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>but was quickly and easily taken down. As a result,

683
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>he received an additional life sentence in twenty twenty for

684
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 1>the assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. So he

685
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>is now serving seven consecutive life sentences and he's.

686
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Just obviously continuing to thrive in prison. Hey gosh, wow, this,

687
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm that's shocking so correct. I don't know why. Actually,

688
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be shocking and all that

689
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>he did that.

690
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Currently Robert is serving his sentence at Joseph Harp

691
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Correctional Center in Lexington, Oklahoma, while Michael is incarcerated at

692
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Lexington Correctional Center. The two were purposely separated and will

693
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 1>not be seeing the inside of the same prison ever.

694
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's probably a good.

695
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Idea, Hey, yeah, I think so, especially considering their history

696
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of banning shit together, you know.

697
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>And I mean so yeah, just never. They're never going

698
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>to see a family member ever again, I feel like I.

699
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Don't think so. I highly doubt that either of their

700
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>sisters are going to come visit them.

701
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow, huh, Yeah, this is this is just mind blowing

702
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>this case.

703
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know when I when I discovered it, I

704
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.119
<v Speaker 1>was like, what the fuck? No, shit, Like, not only

705
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>are these two shitty for like what they did, every

706
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 1>fucking reason and excuse that they have is shittier. Yeah,

707
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 1>it's absurd. It blows my mind.

708
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that one who phoned nine to one

709
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>one is a hero. I agree because just imagine, like

710
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>he's he he potentially saved like numerous other people.

711
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Right. Oh yeah, No, they were gonna hopefully get over

712
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to fifty and I don't know if I don't know,

713
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say because they intended on staying in

714
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the house a little bit getting their shit together, right,

715
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.760
<v Speaker 1>because they had to take a shipment.

716
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Too, wig wait for the arrival of the shipment, yeah.

717
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>The ammunition and stuff. Yeah, so okay, say they had

718
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to wait for the shipment. Would that shipment be arrived

719
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>or arriving at the front door would they have cleaned

720
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>up the blood? Yeah, would someone have noticed something? I'm

721
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 1>not saying that, you know, it wouldn't have gone unnoticed,

722
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>or it would have him just saying like they were

723
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>clearly idiots. Obviously they're fucking idiots. Would they have actually

724
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>managed to get us, get their shit together to get

725
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the shipment, get their stuff, pack it into the family

726
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>vehicle and gone before someone notices.

727
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's really hard to say for sure

728
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>if they would, but you think, yeah, you think like

729
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 2>a neighbor or something or someone would notice something.

730
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Right well, And the thing is, it doesn't sound like

731
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>there was like like the neighborhood was like house house

732
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 1>house house. It sounds like there's like some trees and

733
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like lawns and a bit of property. Like I'm assuming

734
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>like probably each house is at least half an acre

735
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 1>property or something like that, which hell, yeah, love that.

736
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 1>So like I don't think it's like immediate vicinity of

737
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 1>like people maybe even being able to see the front

738
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>door of your home.

739
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So.

740
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Now this family murder, the Bever family murder, were of

741
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 1>course one of the most grim crimes in the history

742
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 1>of Broken Arrow. The Bever home after this all occurred

743
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 1>set abandoned for several years, no one was interested in

744
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.519
<v Speaker 1>purchasing the property. With its dark past, it became an

745
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 1>eyesore or for everyone in the community, was only a

746
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>reminder of the horrors every time they went past it. Eventually,

747
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 1>under mysterious circumstances, the house burned down suddenly, likely of arson.

748
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Probably yeah, and that occurred on March eighteenth, twenty seventeen.

749
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

750
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>The following month, city Councilor Mike Lester raised enough money

751
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to purchase the property from the city or sorry for

752
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the city, and two years later, on March twenty seventh,

753
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, Broken Arrow opened Reflection Park in

754
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 1>memory of the victims and the first responders who reported

755
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>to the scene where the house once stood.

756
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, twenty nineteen.

757
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, And so, to quote that city councilor, he said, quote,

758
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>we can never erase the tragedy that occurred here, but

759
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>we are making a statement with Reflection Park that we

760
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>will not allow evil to define who we are and

761
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the high standards we hold as a community.

762
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's really nice. Actually, hey, so props to that

763
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 2>city councilor no kidding.

764
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And that is the case of the Broken Arrow killings.

765
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Huh wow, my heart just feels like so heavy right now,

766
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 2>like this is this is brutal. I feel like we

767
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>haven't done this brutal of one in a while. Yeah,

768
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>like I could just solve right now. It's unbelievable. Yeah,

769
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 2>it's unbelievable.

770
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>It is. Everything about it is so fucking heavy, everything

771
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>right down to their reaction of should we do it now?

772
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Like at the very beginning, like it's so casual, which

773
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was the younger brother turning to the

774
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:41.719
<v Speaker 1>older brother like should we do it now? And he's

775
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, And then there's they clearly planned like how

776
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 1>they're going to do this. They probably planned on calling

777
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 1>someone in like hey, check us out in the computer,

778
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>because that's what they just went into. They probably fucking

779
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 1>rehearsed it, choreographed it or some shit.

780
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh. I mean I am thankful that like or Autumn

781
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 2>has crystal right so do but still well.

782
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.519
<v Speaker 1>And one of the details about this that is so

783
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>fucked up is that they plan to decapitate Autumn, the

784
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 1>two year old sister, the youngest sister. Why why that's

785
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>not just killing someone there there's pleasure in that. Yeah,

786
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 1>there is a sick, twisted, fucked up kind of pleasure

787
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 1>in doing that.

788
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, like, because what did the siblings exactly do to them?

789
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, like you said that the dad, you know,

790
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 2>was a little bit abusive, right, Yeah, so it makes sense.

791
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 2>But like or I'm also thinking maybe they were super

792
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.480
<v Speaker 2>jealous potentially of like autumn or the younger kids. Maybe

793
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.159
<v Speaker 2>they felt like the parents gave them more attention or

794
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:50.679
<v Speaker 2>they got more or something.

795
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 1>None of that came up. Huh, none of it came up.

796
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because yeah, there's like so much hatred. A lot

797
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.039
<v Speaker 2>of them got stabbed like so many times, right, which is.

798
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was hatred. I personally don't think

799
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 1>it was hatred. I don't think any abuse that they

800
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>may have had from their father played any part in this.

801
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I think if it did, all it did was feed

802
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.960
<v Speaker 1>them to be a little bit aggressive. But I don't

803
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>think any of it played out in hatred. If anything

804
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 1>was hatred, it was they probably only did it to

805
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 1>their father.

806
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, well, it's just it's unfathomable to me though that this,

807
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just yeah, I'm trying to like come up

808
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.360
<v Speaker 2>with reasons, but there's just there's.

809
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 1>No well, That's why I think it's so fucked up

810
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 1>that they're just going to decapitate a two year old's head,

811
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>because why would there be hatred at a two year

812
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>old And you're going to do the most grotesque thing

813
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 1>to them? What the fuck?

814
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, they maybe thought they could like easily more easily, right, because.

815
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.079
<v Speaker 1>They're to me, it's to me, it's a statement of

816
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>their legacy. They wanted to get so many kills, and

817
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.199
<v Speaker 1>they probably pictured what people are going to say when

818
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.800
<v Speaker 1>they find their family members in the home.

819
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

820
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I think they did it with a specific intention of

821
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:11.119
<v Speaker 1>leaving behind a legacy. We stabbed them so many times.

822
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>It was so brutal. We'd cut off a two year

823
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>old's head, and they fucking loved it.

824
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my gosh, holy shit.

825
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 1>I think it had everything to do with they were striving.

826
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.280
<v Speaker 2>To Yeah, this I don't know. This case to me

827
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.039
<v Speaker 2>is just it's just something I just can't understand.

828
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 1>No, no, yeah, yeah, so that's the case. Hopefully you

829
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 1>got through it. Hopefully you're able to stomach this one.

830
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 1>It is fucked up. These two are going to be

831
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.199
<v Speaker 1>behind barsh the rest of their fucking life, and good riddance,

832
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and like you said, hopefully they never do see another

833
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>family member's face for the rest of their life. Yeah,

834
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>because they don't deserve it.

835
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no.

836
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 1>And I hope so much that Autumn Crystal live amazing

837
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 1>lives and they're there to support each other.

838
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I know, I really hope that their lives are good.

839
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

840
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that would be my one wish for sure. So wow.

841
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, thank you for being here. If you want to

842
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:18.920
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843
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844
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.679
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845
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<v Speaker 1>episode at the end of the month, and we've built

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<v Speaker 1>up a bit of a library now over there, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can go ahead and check that out. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all I really got.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm still okay processing like presenting and just having

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<v Speaker 2>to listen, right, there's a big difference because you know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to be said, ye, and I'm over here

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<v Speaker 2>just being like, what the fuck just happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for the most part, I've already processed all that

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck because I've been researching for days, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've already gone through it. And you're sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>gob smacked at this point, just like, yeah, oh very.

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<v Speaker 2>Much so this episode. So I feel like sorry if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just in the clouds right now. But anyway, that

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<v Speaker 2>was good. I mean, you did a good job. You

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job. Sorry, that came out really fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>That was horrific. Yeah and uh that and we will

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<v Speaker 1>see you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So until next time, stay wicked.
