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Speaker 1: And welcome back everyone to a new episode of You

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Were Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the

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Federalist and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner.

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Just as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Molly loves to hear from you. The mail we got

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was so ridiculous this week, Molly, Oh my lord, My

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favorite was this email that this guy sent where he

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portrayed me as a Venezuelan drug lord, like you put

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the little do hickeys over my name to make it

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Spanish and so forth. Because of our debate last week

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over I don't know what were we even debating. Oh yeah,

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the Judicial Review and the Alien State Act or whatever

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it's called. Molly. The other day, I can let you speak.

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Get the other day I got an email that said,

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Molly Hemingway will be appearing in front of a Congressional

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Congressional committe. Which committee was it?

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Speaker 2: It was the Senate Judiciary Committee, Shared Constitution Subcommittee.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So we can talk a little bit about what

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you discussed. I think that's really interesting. But I'm also

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I have never been asked to speak in front of Congress,

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and I'm sure that most listeners haven't done that either,

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So I was just kind of interested, like, how does

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it happen? Who asked you to be there? For instance?

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And what is the process?

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Speaker 2: So I actually get asked regularly to testify, and I

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almost always say no. This was my second time saying yes,

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the first time in the Senate. So I've done once

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in the House, once in the Senate. And the reason

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why I said yes in the House was because they

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were discussing election administration and I wrote a book on

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election administration. It's like, you know, one of these areas

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where I know a ton and I think is really important,

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and also so so many of the people who speak

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on it know next to nothing or their conspiracy theorists,

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and so I did want to talk about that. And

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I enjoyed that. I mean, I can't say I enjoyed it.

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I survived it. I don't know. It's a little nerve

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racking because you're under oath and you just want to

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be very careful. I always am very careful with what

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I'm saying, but I don't want to say anything that

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blows back on anyone or whatnot. And so for this

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one this week, it was a really important topic that

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is near and dear to my heart, which is the

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censorship industrial complex. And Senator Schmidt is the new chair

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of this subcommittee, and he brought a case against the

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Biden administration for their role in mass censorship related to COVID,

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and so he's that's a topic that he really cares

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about and he seems to really understand it at a

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deep level. It's always disappointing when you meet these members

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of Congress or senators and they don't actually know much

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about what they're opining about. That is not the case

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for him on this topic. He really understands it and

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cares about it, understands the reason why we have free

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speech the law surrounding it. You know, he was Attorney

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General of Missouri when he brought the case. And because

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the Federalist has been a victim of the censorship industrial

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complex and I myself personally have been a victim of it,

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I wanted to talk about it because it's one of

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the only times you'll be asked to talk about something

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where you're the victim and you have a personal story.

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And so I did talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Did to some random questions. Do you so you give

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a you have prepared remarks when it starts? Do you

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do you submit that to the committee beforehand or just

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get to say whatever you like? Or like, how does

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that work?

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Speaker 2: So I don't remember exactly all of the stuff, but

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I also am thinking about this from when I used

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to cover congressional hearings. When I used to cover them,

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you know, you go in and everybody has their written statement,

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everyone has their written testimony. Some of them also have

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a separate oral testimony, and there are all these pieces

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of paper that you're juggling to try to get a

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story out of. The submitted testimony can be very long,

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like eighty pages, whereas the oral testimony. You can't speak

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more than five minutes in your opening, so that's shorter,

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like six hundred seven hundred words. But I didn't feel

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the need to submit longer written testimony in either case.

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I mean, I wrote the book on the first one,

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and the second one, I just I don't have time

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to do that kind of work, and so in both cases,

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I just submitted my oral testimony. And you do submit

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that twenty four hours in advance. Maybe maybe you would

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do that for both things, and yeah, so I just

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wrote that over the weekend and made sure it came

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in under five minutes. I had so much more to say.

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I could have spoken for like an hour. In fact,

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it's like one of the rare times I actually wish

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I could have because it's hard to say. It's hard

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to explain a complicated topic like that in a short

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Speaker 1: Did you you're on television, You speak in front of

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you know, you know people all the time, you give

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speeches all over the country. Is it daunting to speak?

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senators and congressmen. What is the experience like? Is it

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different than speaking in front of, say, a crowd of people.

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Speaker 2: It is daunting because you're under oath, But I wouldn't

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say because of the people who are there. I remember

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when I first testified that I was the last person

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to go. I think and the people who went before me,

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they had all of these flourishes at the beginning, like

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your honor, this, and to the most valued members such

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and such this, and it is an honor to be

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asked to speak to you. I think that my gen

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x anti authoritarian impulse is not great here because I'm like,

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I'm not. I mean, I'm very thankful to the people

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who asked me to come and give my expertise, but

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I don't feel the need to say it. And also

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they're just members of Congress, Like in my view, it's

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more like they work for me than I'm honored to

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be there for them. And then once again, I was

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the first to go this time, so I just started speaking.

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Every person after me was like, thank you to this

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committee and thank you to this person, and such an honor.

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And I'm like, I did it again, and I wasn't

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intending to do it. I just sort of forgot that

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that was the way you're supposed to be. But I

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guess what I'm saying is I don't have a ton

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of respect for these people like on this subcommittee well,

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first of all, and I do not begrudge these people

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at all. It was a very busy day in the Senate,

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but most of them didn't show up. The ones who

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showed up on the Republican side are all like, you know,

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you might disagree with these people on certain things, but

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they're they're pretty solid. It's Eric Schmidt, Josh Hall, Kennedy.

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Mike Lee. You know, people who I'm just saying, these

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are people who generally care about the Constitution. They have

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differences of opinion, you know, ranging from like the John

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Kennedy to the Josh Holly but whatever. And then on

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the other side, the people who are on the subcommittee

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include Adam Schiff and Sheldon Whitehouse, two men who I've

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written quite a bit against, and I have no doubt

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that's why they want to censor me. A very lovely

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ranking member who I was rude to. Frankly, I'm having

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a little regret about that, named Peter Welch. Corey Booker

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was there, so every time I talked about Brett Kavanaugh,

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I would just look at Corey Booker, like to kind

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of remind him that I knew who he was. And

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then Dick Durbin, who said he was going to come

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after me, but then quickly got scared and instead attacked

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a different witness, Ben Weingart, for things that I had said,

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because he clearly was like, I'm not messing with that girl,

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because I'd kind of gone after the ranking member for

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something and he just realized it wasn't going to go.

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Speaker 1: Well for him, he didn't know what wrong speak was

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or a wrong thing sorry was.

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Speaker 2: He said, there's a witness here today who has said

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something about wrong think it's be I'd like talk about

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that all the time. And also who said that the

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DOJ should have spent less time going after Grandma's who

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entered the capital and more time more time after like

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other crimes. He then says she should not be allowed

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to say these things, and then goes on a tirade

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about January sixth and how he was there. Well, buddy,

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I was there too. I covered it. I'm still somewhat

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traumatized by it, like it was not my happiest day

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in life. But you're still allowed to debate whether the

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Department of Justice should have gone after these people. Then,

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by the way, Dick Durbin says that the highest honor

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of any attorney would be to go John Adams like

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and give a defense to someone who you don't think

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is worthy of a defense, which is the entire thing

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I was saying about Jay six Ers and how we

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should be thinking about like the allocation of resources of

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how we're going after them. Anyway. Anyway, he's like Ben Weingarten,

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did you come up with this word wrong think? And

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been like, I don't believe so, but I would be

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happy to take credit for it, And then he gave

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a great definition of what it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think it is thought crime, not

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wrong think actually, but okay, so did you feel like

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it was it's useful.

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Speaker 2: I do worry that Congress, through its own actions over

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the last one hundred years, has completely become like this ridiculous,

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impotent branch of government, handing over all of its authority

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to the administrative state. And the Senate was always kind

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of known as a debating society, but it was not

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the most thoughtful debate there. I was not impressed with

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some of the people. And my husband said something like,

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it's weird to see Dick Durbin both being super uninformed

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and phoning it in like he didn't really seem to

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have put much thought into his day.

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Speaker 1: It was nice to see your husband Mark behind you,

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sitting there there in support.

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Speaker 2: I love that he comes to me with these things,

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or it comes with me to these things. And I

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also love how much people love seeing him there, like

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people sending notes about how they they like that he

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supports me, and it's just so funny because in our

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marriage that is a very normal thing, and you wonder, like,

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does this not happen in other people's marriages. I don't know,

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but he has a very wonderful supportive spouse. So and

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Jonathan Turley was teasing us about him being there, not

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teasing us, but just pointing out that he didn't have

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anyone there. And he was also testifying, and he was

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really great and substantive. Ben Weingarten also and the Democrats

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have two witnesses, one of whom is on in a

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different place than I am on speech, but is fairly

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sane and normal. Like his name is Gabe Rotman, and

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he's at the ACLU. ACLU should be so much better

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than they are on speech, but they struggle at being

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too bad because of their history. And I think he

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tries to legitimize some of the anti speech efforts that

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are out there, but he's not super super bad. The

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other witness was this woman Mary Anne Franks, who's at

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George Washington Law, and it was just clearly a mistake,

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just a mistake to have her there. She is a

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genuine radical. She thinks that the Second Amendment should be

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redrafted to remove the right to self defense and to

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include a right to kill unborn children. She says that

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the First Amendment is a relic of a white patriarchal

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like fascist past. She opposes speech, and so when she

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was out there talking about how there's no censorship industrial

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complex and how the real threats to free speech are

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from the Trump administration kicking out the ap from the

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Oval Office and going after people who have organized pro

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Hamas protests, like, she just came off really poorly. And

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she likes to tweet a lot, and I do too,

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and I understand, you know how that can be bad,

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but her tweets are really extreme and she probably shouldn't

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have a social media account, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's exciting, though, I mean, not a lot

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of people get to say, I mean, you're in it

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a long time, but not a lot of people get

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to say, I've spoken from a congressional committee.

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Speaker 2: It's cool, right, I've now testified in the House and

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the Senate, and I don't really feel the need to

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do it unless it's really appropriate. But it's not the

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worst experience in the world. Yes, Now, Jonathan Turley, I

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was talking joking with him, like he's just such a

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regular congressional expert. He's very thoughtful, he's very balanced. He's

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not partisan. I think he's been you know, he's like

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evenly a Democrat or Republican witness depending on the topic,

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and he adds a lot of light to debates. But

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the opportunities to do this will be from my perspective,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, still cool thing.

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Speaker 3: Three hundred and ninety four million Social Security recipients in

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it going bankrupt in ten years and we can't even

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DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of journalists, let's move on to our first big

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topic here in the news of the week, which I

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would call signal I don't want to call signal gate

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because I hate putting gate at the end of things.

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It just makes it easier. But I want you to

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set it up, if that's okay, okay, because every time

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I start setting these things up you don't like how

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Speaker 2: I totally defer to you. I want to in fact,

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Speaker 1: You said it up, okay, So please interject specifics if

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I get them wrong, Like, for instance, I believe that

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we're talking about a signal chat between a bunch of

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very important people in government, including the Vice President, the

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Defense you know, the Secretary of Defense and so on,

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about bombing of the huties. I think this went on

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a week before the bombing started, but before the bombing

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at least days before, right, And I think in essence

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or initially, they're discussing whether it's a good idea, right,

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And I think jd. Vance doesn't think it's a good idea.

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Maybe the only one in that conversation as far as

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I can tell, who thought that. You know, I forgot

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how he put it. I think he wanted to wait longer.

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with the Trump administration's position on the Ukrainian warren Away. Anyway,

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it's a very enlightening conversation I think. I mean, I

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was fascinated's stepping out of the whole controversy. I was

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fascinated to see how these things are discussed. I'd like

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to talk about the vance part separately after this, But anyway,

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someone invited Jeffrey Goldberg into the chat. Everyone assumed that

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it was National Security Advisor Michael walt who had invited

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him in. Waltz denies that that's that he did in

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an interview today I saw. But in any event, initially

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Jeffrey Goldberg said there were war plans discussed, which is

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classified information and that and we withheld that part of

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the conversation until today, where basically they said, you know,

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people are telling him produce it, and he did, and

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now we have that too. Anyway, does that set to

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seem fair? Did I miss anything? I think it's an

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incredibly fascinating situation. First of all, I want to say,

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this isn't the Pentagon papers, Like you know, I think

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that as usual, the left gets hysterical about stuff and

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often hides an actual story and problem on the other side.

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with every administration. You can't just say we messed up. Hey,

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you know we mess this up. We're not it's not

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going to happen again. We're going to figure out why

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it happened and that's it. We're sorry. Like, why can't

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you just say that? And there's a lot of sort

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of excuse shifting. There's a lot of like the Atlanta

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can't be trusted maybe, but you're saying, this conversation actually happened,

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So something bad happened, and it is. It's a bad

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thing in my opinion. I don't know, So let me

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just ask you, how do you like? What's your feeling

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about what happened here in general?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you basically articulate my view on it. There's so

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much more here though. I think it's a really interesting story.

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So yes, I agree with you. There's the substance of

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the conversation, which was wonderful to see. It was exactly

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the type of high level conversation you're hoping the principles

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in an administration are having. It's not just a bunch

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of raw raw. Yes, men, they're having a free and

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open not free, but like an open discussion about is

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this a good idea? Is this not a good idea?

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How do we message this? You know? So that was

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good because you could imagine that if someone invited Jeffrey

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Goldberg into a different chat, it might have been a

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complete and utter disaster in terms of the actual content

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of the discussions. But having said that, I'm oh, my

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favorite letter, I want our favorite email we got last

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week was when someone very kindly told me something that

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you should have told me, David, or that any of

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the people in my life should have told me, which

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is that I know this misuse the word mortified, and

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I was just about to do it again, but this

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wonderful lady was like, I know, I've got to be

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the four hundredth person to tell you that you're misusing

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that word. And I'm like, nope, that would be the first.

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I'm mortified that I was using mortified incorrectly. Uh, I'm

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horrified that Jeffrey Goldberg. I would I don't want any

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journalist in any group chat. Jeffrey Goldberg is literally the

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worst person to involve in a group chat like that,

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it is. It boggles the mind that he was included.

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It's horrific operational security, and that bothers me because signal

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is a great way to communicate, it's encrypted, it's efficient,

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assuming you don't have idiots putting Jeffrey Goldberg in the chat.

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It's a wonderful way to have quick, reasonable conversations. And

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the other thing I want to say is have you

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noticed that relative to the first two months of the

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first Trump administration, we've had pretty much no leaks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean clearly this administration they were planning ahead

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and brought in people who are actually on board with

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the presidents.

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what we're seeing with these signal typescussions that they moved

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off the bureaucratic channels. The bureaucrats are unable to leak.

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from top officials and the Trump administration supposedly. I think

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a lot of that was just bureaucrats who, yes, are

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high level, who were leaking information that they were privy

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to when the principles were discussing on the bureaucratic channels.

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we want to put a pin in that because I

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think that might be related to this.

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Speaker 1: So I've tried to segment this conversation into the important things,

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and you'll you'll add others that I might not have

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thought of. But let's talk about signal now. It's encrypted.

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It's pretty good, right, And you know I was trying

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to read up on this. Is it legal? It's kind

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of hazy in a way. You're supposed to save these conversations.

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But I wonder sometimes if government officials use a signal

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because they don't want others ever to see these conversations.

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I think that's somewhat concerning when you're talking about transparency,

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don't we worry? I kind of worry that I have

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app and that people are talking about war on that

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same app. I feel like there are better, more secure

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ways to have these discussions.

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Speaker 2: I think I disagree on that. I think signal might

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be the best way to have secure conversations, assuming you

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don't invite Jeffrey Goldberg into the chat. It's a very

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good encrypted form. It's my preferred way to speak with

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sensitive sources or sources with sensitive information, and it's all

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open source, so you can kind of test it, and

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I trust that more than a bureaucratic channel that is

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leaking a lot. I also want to point out that

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Mike Waltz said something in the chat about how coming

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in on the high side, coming in on your high

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side is some information. He was referring to the classified

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the means by which they receive classified information, and so

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it does show too that they understand that they put

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the classified information in on that system, and they're having

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the kind of chat on signal, which is different.

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Speaker 1: So I don't yeah, no, I just we can talk

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about the classified aspect in a minute, I mean, or

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we can talk about now. Actually. So initially the verbiage

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used was war plans, which and you know by the Atlantic,

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which not intimates, but is saying that this is classified information.

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I would say this, it doesn't really matter to me.

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It seems like they're exchanging some information that's certainly I

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don't know if it's classified or not, but it is

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not something any journalist should should see before or anyone

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should see before we go. There's packets, there's targets, there's

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I mean, if that's not class I mean what I'm

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saying is I think that the distinction might matter legally,

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but I don't know that it really matters as far

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as the story goes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So I think that in fact that is exactly right. Yes, technically,

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legally speaking, the Trump administration is in the right and

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Jeffrey Goldberg is in the wrong. But you look at

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what he posted today of the plans, and I think

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a lot of people would forgive him for calling them

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war plans.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will say this, Jeffrey Goldberg presents himself

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and has since he pushed the Weapons of mass destruction

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hoax as a national security reporter, that he actually understands

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these issues. He definitely overplayed what he had but and

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also he's kind of like being hypocritical about it. He's

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at the one hand claiming that it's like incredibly classified,

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delicate information that should not have been shared with anyone.

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By the way, I agree, it should not have been

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shared with people like Jeffrey Goldberg, and then on the

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other hand, he's like posting it on the website of

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the Atlantic. It's like, well, I mean, which is it.

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Speaker 1: Administration dared him to do it, right.

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Speaker 2: That's what I would say, is like, I think they

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have I just agreed with how you put it at

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the outset. If they would have said, obviously it was

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a huge f up to invite Jeffrey Goldberg into a

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signal chat. Thanks be to God that this is not

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that it wasn't so sensitive, that this was a success.

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We are working on all of this. You know, like

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if they had just said yep and then moved on

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and stopped talking about it, I think that would be

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better then all this other stuff. I do want it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not just saying I think we'll argue about this

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next point. I don't think Jeffrey Goldberg did anything wrong.

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I think that in a journalist, a journal's job is

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to get his hands or her hands on stuff they're

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not supposed to see. He reported what he saw, and

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he actually I should preface all this by saying, I

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think he's been terrible for a very long time, but

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in this story he actually showed some restraint. He didn't

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do it. He didn't he waited for the bombing to happen.

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Then he spoke about it. He didn't release the war

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you know, the attack plan or whatever you want to

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call them, and off the bat. So I don't see

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anything wrong with how he conducted himself, just you know,

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in this story, I think he conducted himself as any

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journalist would. If I was invited onto a chat like that,

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I would take down every single word and write about it,

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would you, huh?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I saw some reporters saying, Jeffrey Goldberg's a

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better person than I am, because I would have stayed

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in that chat till twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well exactly.

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Speaker 2: I am reluctant to speak either favorably or unfavorably about

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how he handled himself until we know more about how

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he got in there. And I'm saying that in part

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because I was Okay. I will tell you that on

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day one was over at Fox, I thought we would

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talk about it on Special Report. We didn't. I said

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something very similar to what you said. I said, I

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hate Jeffrey Goldberg. I've hated him since we of mass destruction.

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He was also a Russia collusion hoaxer, and he invented

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the ein Marn hoax, in which he said that he

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had four anonymous sources who said something that every single

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person on the record disputes about Donald Trump supposedly hating

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the military and those who had died for their country.

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So he's a bad guy. He either is too stupid

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of a reporter to know when he's being had by

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the WMD or iin marn hoax people or Russia Gate,

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or he is knowingly participating in information operations. So having

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said that, I said also a few days ago, I

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didn't see anything wrong with how he had handled this,

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characterized the material in question, and I do think that's legitimate.

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I think he overhyped what he had. And you said,

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this is information that shouldn't be shared with anyone. I

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think my while it's already publicly said, this was information

476
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that was shared with overseas partners. What that means is

477
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,319
it's not classified, you know, and or it's not highly

478
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,839
sensitive if you're sharing it with other countries also just

479
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,519
for your knowledge. They usually give that type of information

480
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,519
to broadcast outlets who will be covering such strikes. It's

481
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:30,400
held very carefully, but it's shared so that people can

482
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be ready with the resources needed to give it the

483
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proper coverage.

484
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's not. That's all very fair

485
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,039
what you're saying. I understand that, but it's slightly besides

486
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,000
the point. The point is they could have been discussing

487
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,960
something far more serious, and Jeffrey Goldberg might have been

488
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,359
in there.

489
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Speaker 2: Well, it's still sensitive. And I liked your original point

490
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,799
of like, why not just say you messed up instead

491
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,559
of getting in a semantic dispute about what type of

492
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,400
plans they are? Because I think it just looks bad

493
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,720
to see this kind of information shared. I just want

494
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,119
to say this one final thing, though, which is I

495
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,240
saw Matt Tayebe and Walter Kern on a Megan Kelly

496
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,000
podcast and she asks Matt Tayibe what he thinks about

497
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:14,400
this story, and he was like, I need to know

498
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:18,240
more about how jeff Goldberg got in the chat, he said,

499
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,279
because of who he is, because he is By the way,

500
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,319
Donald Trump told me personally that the story that upset

501
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960
him more than any other fake story that he was

502
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,799
subjected to in his first term was Jeffrey Goldberg's ein

503
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,559
marn hoax. Okay, so not just a reporter, but that reporter.

504
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,839
He said, the odds that this was accidental are just

505
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,240
impossible for him to comprehend.

506
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,519
Speaker 1: But mally, no big story that's ever been broken from

507
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,880
the Pentagon papers on. It's always classified in illegal information.

508
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,400
You're getting your hands on which is probably illegal for

509
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,839
the person to have. The journalist and he does it

510
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440
or she does it anyway, Let's say he got in

511
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,880
there somehow, he should deal with the consequences. But that's

512
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,640
what journalists do. It's like, I like to quote Tom Wolf.

513
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,039
You know, he said, journalism is not a craft, it's

514
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,519
an attitude. And the attitude is I have a right

515
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:14,920
to see things I'm not supposed to.

516
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: Right, Let's go on a hypothetical journey, because I don't

517
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,240
think I think we're saying two different things. I agree

518
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,599
with you insofar as what you're saying is like the

519
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:27,960
full story. Let's say the full story is something else.

520
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:29,079
Speaker 1: Okay.

521
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: I referenced earlier how the first Trump administration had nothing

522
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,039
but leaks and we haven't seen that in this administration.

523
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,599
What if there was a goal to force high level

524
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,279
operatives back onto the channels that can be more easily leaked.

525
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,599
What if someone to force that said we have to

526
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,759
like do something just forgive me for like not thinking

527
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:55,480
this all through.

528
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Now I understand what you're doing.

529
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,799
Speaker 2: The three year Let's say we've got to do something

530
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,680
that embarrasses them off of signal back onto the channels

531
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,960
that we can leak from, because if we can leak

532
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,759
from them, we can more easily control their foreign policy

533
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,720
or other things, or we can constrain them. As it is, now,

534
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,160
we've got nothing because they're not they're not leaking. We're

535
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:21,799
the leakers. And so someone engages in illegal or like

536
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,559
very bad behavior to put Jeffrey Goldberg in the chat,

537
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,079
that kind of changes the story. Now maybe I would

538
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:29,359
say too.

539
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,119
Speaker 1: Can'd say two things about that real quick One, the

540
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440
person who did that is acting in a way that

541
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,359
should be punished, like that is illegal, it undermines national security.

542
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,720
But the journalist would be a nut not to let

543
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:47,960
that person do that. So you know, when you go,

544
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,720
you know, any big story, let's say Watergate, you had

545
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,119
people leaking from the administration, you had them telling journalists

546
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,119
things they weren't supposed to know. But secondly, quickly, we're

547
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:02,240
always because the deepest which I think exists, has done

548
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,880
a lot of bad things, we always think there's some

549
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,519
Macavelian savant behind everything when the most obvious answer probably

550
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,559
is the right one, like ninety percent of the time,

551
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,279
that someone just effed up here and got the wrong

552
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,480
you know, had him, had Jeffrey Goldberg in their signal chat,

553
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,119
which is something maybe they shouldn't have and that actually

554
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,119
accidentally put him on this call. I mean, it's very

555
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,599
possible that that's the explanation.

556
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,839
Speaker 2: Right, possible, It's possible. It's a little shocking, and there

557
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,920
are a few things that have been said that might

558
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,880
make us pause here. Let me just say that when

559
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,839
this story broke, it was kind of funny to me

560
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,680
how the different camps were responding to things. Pete Haig

561
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,960
says said it himself. No, you know, there was no

562
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,759
information shared that shouldn't have been shared or that was

563
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:53,480
like a super big problem to share. You saw the

564
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,680
Jdvance people kind of getting attacked. And we'll talk about

565
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,240
this in a minute. For there for the fact that

566
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,079
Jade Vance was not as gung ho about this plan

567
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,960
as everybody else was, so they were just wanting to

568
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,759
make sure it's clear that he's not undermining the president,

569
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,279
and different people had different interests in how the story

570
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,039
was spawn personally, I was very upset that Mike Waltz

571
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,640
had put to someone in the chat who should not

572
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,720
have been there. But since then, he's kind of said

573
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,680
things that make me wonder if he were not a

574
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,400
victim of this as well. He was on Laura Ingram

575
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,839
last night, and I just want to say, I do

576
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680
know Mike Waltz. I have found him to be a

577
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,799
truthful person. And I understand that everyone has the capacity

578
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:49,039
to say things, but he's a pretty straightforward person. And

579
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,400
I thought if you watched his interview with Laura Ingram,

580
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:56,880
he's kind of suggesting that he wasn't directly responsible for

581
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,880
putting Jeff Goldberg into the.

582
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,319
Speaker 1: But then there should be an investigation. If that's not

583
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,839
what happened, we should have an investigation.

584
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what we need to find out

585
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,839
is and then further, if I'm reading between the lines

586
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,400
too much, forgive me, but it sounded like he was

587
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,640
given the contact information for someone where the name and

588
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,960
the number did not match. Who gave him that contact information?

589
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,799
Who is that person? Why did he do it or

590
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,759
she do it? What's going on there? And then was

591
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,240
that person the victim of something or not? You know?

592
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,599
And so just kind of like figuring out the thing here,

593
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,559
because it is very improbable that Mike Waltz, the National

594
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,519
Security Advisor, like it's possible that he was like I'm

595
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,480
going to add Jeff Goldberg to the chat.

596
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: But well that brings us to another topic though. You know,

597
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,880
right away, when something like this happens, all the factions

598
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,880
move to get someone fired who they don't want around anyway. Right,

599
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,599
So then a bunch of the more I called him

600
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,559
paleotypes want Michael Waltz out right there, immediately going after him.

601
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,960
Then a whole bunch of other pro mostly Democrats, one

602
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,559
hes get out right because he you know, that's a

603
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,119
big that's a yeah, that's a big one. He needs

604
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,559
to resign. Let's just also just take a step back here,

605
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:20,800
and with all our criticisms of what happened, note that

606
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400
Democrats have no le like to stand on here. There

607
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,400
are massive hypocrites. We literally there was not a single

608
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,000
call to remove anyone after the disaster that happened in

609
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:36,239
Afghanistan where thirteen American soldiers were murdered because of preternatural

610
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,159
I believe I.

611
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: Just want to say I'm understanding that Mike Waltz has

612
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,559
a defense here and that I told you that I

613
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,639
was pretty upset that he had put Jeff Goldberg in

614
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:57,079
the chat, but I forget where I was going with that,

615
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,400
so forgive me sorry. I did want to read this

616
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:05,239
other thing, which is Shelby Talcott, who's at Semaphore, said,

617
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,000
Trump responds to The Atlantic publishing more texts this morning

618
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:12,320
from the signal chat. He said, there weren't details, and

619
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,599
there was nothing in there that compromised, and it had

620
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,679
no impact on the attack, which was very successful. A

621
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,559
thing like that, maybe Goldberg found a way, maybe there's

622
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,760
a staffer, maybe there's a very innocent staffer. But I

623
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,840
think we'll get to the bottom of it very quickly.

624
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,519
And it's really not a big deal. I think what

625
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,480
he's saying is this and this could have been bad,

626
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,199
but it wasn't bad given the actual content of the information.

627
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,000
I agree it's a big deal, but I also I

628
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,840
am just saying it seems like he understands the game

629
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,000
that's being played, that people are trying to exploit this.

630
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,920
Like you just said, there's going to be more investigation

631
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,800
of this incident than there was of all of the

632
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,119
disasters under Obama or under Biden, and that's ridiculous, and

633
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:56,840
so you don't need to play along with that game,

634
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,960
even as you could be very frustrated by the lack

635
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:08,199
of operationalscuturity. Yeah, oh, my alternate examples. Sorry. So, just

636
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,679
a couple of weeks ago, someone had some really good

637
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:16,239
information on someone who's in the Trump administration, who has

638
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,440
someone like it's kind of a curiosity that he was

639
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,320
allowed in given some of the things in his past.

640
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,519
And so I looked into the story and assigned it

641
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:31,280
to someone and it turned out that the information that

642
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,719
we were given was actually kind of correct, But it

643
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,760
also turned out that we were in the middle of

644
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,880
something that was much bigger, where we were being perhaps

645
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,400
used to accomplish an outcome that was unrelated to the

646
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,039
information we've been given, and we couldn't yet or we

647
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,519
haven't yet figured out the larger part of that story.

648
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,079
And until we do, we don't want to just be like, oh,

649
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:57,039
someone gave me the stuff, so we're going with it.

650
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,320
We have to figure it all out. That is something

651
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,920
a lot of report don't do. They just allow themselves

652
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,840
to be used by a source without in any way

653
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,519
thinking about the bigger story. Most dramatically, in the Russia

654
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,559
collusion hoax. For sure, the FBI is tolding me this stuff,

655
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:13,599
so I'm going to run with it.

656
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,039
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no.

657
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,559
Speaker 2: Maybe the FBI is actually running this scam.

658
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: Now, maybe there is any just local reporting for me,

659
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,280
anyone who got in touch with me. I immediately knew

660
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,920
that they were using me for something. That doesn't mean

661
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,199
the information is always wrong or anything like that. But

662
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,960
you have to figure out the bigger picture before you

663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,880
move forward, that's for sure. Yeah, I understand. I'm not

664
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
saying so, I'm not just saying, listen, you know, Jeffrey

665
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,079
Goldberg should just release anything this FBI tells them, or

666
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:41,280
CIA or whoever, whatever deep state sources he has or

667
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,239
she has done. I'm just saying that you'd look at it, right,

668
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:46,599
for sure.

669
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,159
Speaker 2: So, and I have another, you know, example of this

670
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:55,039
from the first Trump administration, This known fabulous and liar

671
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,440
Cassidy Hutchinson I think her name is. She wrote in

672
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,599
her book that I had illegally received classified information in

673
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:06,000
a clandestine meeting in Georgetown or something like that, and

674
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,559
it wasn't true. I do actually go through some rigor

675
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,920
to make sure I'm following the law about sensitive information,

676
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,920
and that is to protect me and my sources, and

677
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,400
so I just want to say, like, just because someone

678
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,440
offers you something does not actually mean that you go

679
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,159
sure looks like meet up in a parking lot in

680
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:26,280
Georgetown and give it to me.

681
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. Yeah, but you know, it's

682
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:34,039
very possible that Jeffrey Goldberg thought he was on there

683
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,800
by accident, right, or that he doesn't understand the full

684
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,880
picture of why he's on there, but that it's still

685
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,280
worthwhile news to report on it is.

686
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,079
Speaker 2: I do not take Jeffrey Goldberg at his word. I

687
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,199
just don't, and I will point out also I saw JD.

688
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Vance saying something about how Jeffrey Goldberg had claimed that

689
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:56,840
Ratcliffe was like outing an active CIA officer, so he

690
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,199
wasn't going to name him, and Vance was like he

691
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,079
was referring to his chief of staff.

692
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, listen, it's fair to go after Goldberg, and

693
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,719
I get it. You know, I see a lot of

694
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,119
Republicans I forgot, which I mean, like administration officials calling

695
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,159
it a hoax and stuff that's just dumb. But it's

696
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,239
Jeffrey Goldberg's fault that he's so easily dismissable because of

697
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,000
his long history.

698
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would say. The man behind he

699
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,719
was the biggest proponent of the weapons of mass destruction hoax. Okay.

700
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Speaker 1: I don't argue about that. I don't know what his

701
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,639
role was, but it was not a hoax in the

702
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,199
same way the Russia collusion thing was a hoax. In

703
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,360
my opinion, I think there are legitimate people who earnestly

704
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,000
believe that.

705
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: And I will just say, one of my very first

706
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,599
articles on the Russia collusion hoax, I referenced Curveball or

707
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,719
whatever his name was, which was the WMD hoax. Okay,

708
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400
So I disagree. I think that that was an intel

709
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960
operation designed to get people into a war that they

710
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,280
wouldn't have gotten into had they known the facts. It's

711
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,320
to me exactly like the Russia collusion hoax. WMD hoax

712
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,000
he does. The Russia collusion hoax he does. He actually

713
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:11,320
is like the author of the Ein marn hoax, the

714
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,599
idea that you would question his veracity, Like, if you're

715
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,360
not questioning his racity, you're an idiot, because all he

716
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,639
does is lie and make up elaborate hoaxes designed to

717
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,320
do something other than what they first appear. And so

718
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,840
it's possible. It's possible that in the weirdest of all circumstances,

719
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,679
Jeffrey Goldberg is telling the truth that he was accidentally

720
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,039
added to a chat, and that he's not just saying

721
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:44,679
this so he can avoid prosecution for laws about handling

722
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,119
of handling classified information, but because he really did think

723
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,920
maybe it was a mistake, or that it was a sorry,

724
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,800
that it was people pretending to be Mike Waltz, et cetera.

725
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,519
I don't believe that.

726
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: By the way, the chat is real though, so we

727
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,639
know the chat is real, but yes.

728
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: Yes, but the point being, like all of the Russia

729
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,960
collusion stuff, was it real that James Comy briefed President

730
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,079
Trump elect and President Biden President Obama? Yes, it was real,

731
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,280
but it was still a hoax.

732
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,159
Speaker 1: Now I understand what I'm saying is that many of

733
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,760
the Russia collusion things were maybe even snippets of real things,

734
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,960
completely misconstrued, placed out of context, whatever. But this is

735
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,480
in full context, not how he got it. But the

736
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:34,159
chat itself is not disputed, so it's a real story,

737
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,519
and that he's in that.

738
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: Chat call me briefed Obama and briefed Trump was real, right,

739
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,079
it was still a hoax, So you have to be

740
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:47,159
able to like just and again, maybe it really is true.

741
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:53,840
Mike Waltz fat fingered jeff Jeffrey Goldberg into a sensitive chat.

742
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,039
That is certainly a possibility. It's also possible that that's

743
00:41:58,119 --> 00:41:58,800
not true.

744
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: But I am not talking about that, okay. But the

745
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:06,639
chat and the fact that a journalist was in it,

746
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,679
and the fact that he could have released that information

747
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,480
before the bombing even began, and the fact that we

748
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:16,239
had these conversations are all real and they're not a hoax.

749
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,519
And you know, yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, maybe the

750
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,239
real I don't know, we don't know the reasoning. We'll see.

751
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,400
Can we talk about Vance for a moment and the

752
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,599
whole conversation and how you framed it. You said it

753
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,480
was great to see people discussing things and arguing about

754
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,639
them in essence, And I think that's all right. I

755
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,880
think Vance being a voice of dissent, I think he

756
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,679
was really the only voice of descent there is a

757
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,480
good thing. But it also tells But Vance then says,

758
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,119
I won't you know, he shows admirable loyalty, in my

759
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,280
opinion of vice president should not be out there undermining

760
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,639
the present. He says, I'm going to you know, support

761
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,960
this publicly. But it does make me think Vance isn't

762
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,679
actually aligned with Trump in many ways on foreign policy.

763
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,480
I don't think that Advance is the type of guy

764
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,800
who would punish the whoties. I don't. I think he's

765
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,880
far more you're going to jump down my throat. He's

766
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,639
far more isolationist or he rolled your eyes or inclined

767
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:13,559
in that direction than Trump is. Trump is has promised

768
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,000
to punish people who attack our ships, who you know,

769
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,880
undermine are shipping you know, international shipping lanes and stuff

770
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,519
like that. I don't think. I think Vance is much

771
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,679
more on the you know, in the Tucker end of

772
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,679
things or whatever. And I think that's fair to discuss

773
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,159
as well. I think, you know what I'm saying is

774
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,599
I saw Charlie Kirk saying, it just shows this conversation

775
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,599
that everyone's on board and no one says something in

776
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,840
public that they're not saying in private. That's not true.

777
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,159
Vance is saying something in public that he doesn't say

778
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,840
in private, and he admitted that literally.

779
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,119
Speaker 2: Well, what Vance said in that conversation matches with things

780
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:50,599
that Vance has said in public prior to becoming vice president.

781
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,400
So I think he's consistent, and that shows us that

782
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,119
he genuinely holds these views. I think it's so let

783
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:01,400
me just first off say that I actually do think

784
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,000
that it is in our country's interest to strike the

785
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:11,360
hooties and treat them as the terrorist group that they are.

786
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,280
They're bombing shipping routes. One of the first and earliest

787
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,039
uses of our military was the preservation of shipping routes.

788
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:24,679
It's a it's a long standing tradition that we secure

789
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,719
shipping routes. It's it's almost a way of understanding the

790
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:36,000
purpose of our military. I support going after the uties,

791
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,599
and I was upset when Biden on day one you

792
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,719
removed the terrorist classification and sort of let them bomb

793
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,159
shipping containers with abandon or fire on shipping containers. It

794
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,360
is also true, as jd. Vance pointed out, that those

795
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,400
aren't really our shipping routes so much as you're shipping routes.

796
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,679
Europe gets a lot of its goods in that region.

797
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,360
We do not, And so what his point was is,

798
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:15,960
once again, we are doing the defense for a continent

799
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,760
that is freeloading off of us so that they can

800
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:26,639
build massive welfare states and cause like great global disruption

801
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,360
because they're saying, oh, the US military will handle our

802
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,119
defense needs and our defense posture while we're the beneficiaries

803
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,559
of it. And as he was pointing out, our argument

804
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,079
with them with NATO is that they should be stepping

805
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:43,960
up much more to defend themselves against Russia and not

806
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,639
relying solely on or so much on US. He's right,

807
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:52,440
that's just true. Europe needs to grow up. It's been

808
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,960
eighty years since World War Two and they should be

809
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,760
handling far more of their defense, including preservation of their

810
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,679
sh shipping roots.

811
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they can't do it now. They wouldn't be

812
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,280
able to defend those shipping routes in a real way.

813
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
They freeload. I totally agree to agree with that. I've

814
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,559
written a book about it. But we created that opportunity,

815
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,320
right and we elect administration after administration until very recently

816
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,159
that has no problem with that really, So yes, things

817
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:29,119
need to change, but they it's like a change today,

818
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,920
Like the Europeans cannot protect those shipping leans right now,

819
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,719
They're just incapable of it. I think someone on that

820
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,559
chat actually said it, and we either we do it

821
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:37,199
or takes it.

822
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so either we do it.

823
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: Now or no one does it. So if you want

824
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,880
to teach them some lesson, that's fine, I guess, but

825
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,679
you're just hurting us as well right now. I think

826
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,679
Europe needs to step up. I think NATO needs to

827
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,679
be reimagined, I maybe called something else or whatever, and

828
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,000
Europeans need to take a leading role. I agree with

829
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,480
all of that, but you know, you can't just one

830
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:03,159
day decide, after you know, enacting enacting a certain kind

831
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,800
of policy for you know, sixty seven years, and then

832
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,360
just one day say, oh, now you're on your own.

833
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, But it is also true that

834
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,920
you can't have people mature out of a coddling situation

835
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,239
without stepping back. Like if you take care of everything

836
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,719
that your children ever need, they never become adults, and

837
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,719
you can't. There's a difference between you know, doing everything

838
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,639
and doing nothing and pulling back someone.

839
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,079
Speaker 1: Just just to take a step back from this. You know, everyone,

840
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,599
if you say we should do this with Iran or whatever,

841
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,039
you're called the neo kind and I just there's a

842
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:46,000
distinction I think between nation building trying to force people

843
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:50,840
to you know, dub democracies and bombing your enemies who

844
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,000
attack you and helping people who already want democracy, right.

845
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:56,760
I mean, I think those are two very different kinds

846
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,199
of philosophies and people I think, like Vance and others.

847
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:02,559
I don't want to just attack him because I think

848
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,119
it's perfectly reasonable for him to make his case in

849
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,360
a private call before war. It's good that everyone's not

850
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,800
agreeing on it, right, But I think that's a debate

851
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,960
we need to have and start talking about. But not

852
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:15,360
at this moment right now.

853
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,039
Speaker 2: Well, there's another since we're kind of getting into some

854
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:22,920
of this subtech stuff. I think the interesting thing it's

855
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,079
interesting to see how unified the administration is being in

856
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:31,599
response to this story from Jeffrey Goldberg. There are internal

857
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:36,320
disputes in play, including that including things that aren't going

858
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:42,360
to come through in that signal chat. The inside the

859
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,679
White House hush or like thinking is that there's jocking

860
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,320
between the National Security Advisor, the Defense Secretary, and other

861
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:59,920
interests for a leadership role that you know, some people

862
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,000
said that the National Security Advisor was feeling like he

863
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,639
was being shut out a little bit, that the attack

864
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,840
the uties plan was an effort to kind of be

865
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:18,239
out there having a successful attack. That gives him more

866
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,639
sway in the White House, which is, by the way,

867
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,400
one of the arguments why I think he might be

868
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,280
telling the truth about him not having brought Jeff Goldberg

869
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,119
into the chat.

870
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,679
Speaker 1: And it was a successful mission, right, and that has

871
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:37,480
been obscured here. The UTI bombing was incredibly successful, I

872
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,360
think at least, and you know, it's a shame I

873
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,400
think for the administration that they couldn't just say this

874
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,840
part was a mess up, but we did a good,

875
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,639
good thing overall. Is kind of obscure as that. Now.

876
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: Uh no, that's that's why I was saying. I thought

877
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,079
Trump was actually handling it pretty well because it's basically

878
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:56,639
what he's saying, and that other people are being too

879
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:01,039
defensive on their part of the mess up to just saying, yeah,

880
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,519
it's a huge mess up. I even because I'm so

881
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,840
paranoid about all this stuff, and I also know that

882
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,559
I operate against the deep state, so I have to

883
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,159
be so careful about everything I'm doing. If I am

884
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:14,880
added to a group chat, I actually do run through

885
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,960
and ascertain what all the numbers I don't know are

886
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:23,280
before I say anything. Yeah, I mean, that's like everyone

887
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,119
else at a high level should be doing that as well.

888
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,079
Speaker 1: That just seems like self preservation. I do wonder, and

889
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,639
I don't know enough about it to have a strong

890
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,800
opinion about the usage of signal. Like I said, it

891
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,480
is easy to get rid of the evidence, right if

892
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:41,320
you're having conversations, So transparency laws say you can't do that.

893
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,519
Speaker 2: So I do wonder do they say that about deliberations

894
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:46,119
like this.

895
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,199
Speaker 1: That's the thing I think they do. I think all

896
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,159
communications have to be preserved, right, But I don't know.

897
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,199
But I've read many stories about local government and state

898
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,119
government where people are starting to use these encrypted chats

899
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,920
and then not saving the conversations. You know, emails are

900
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,599
very difficult to get rid of, but an encrypted discussion

901
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,199
on a chat can Let's say.

902
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: These people were all in a skiff, Yeah, exactly do

903
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,360
you have to record that?

904
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:18,599
Speaker 1: I think so? No, I do wonder. Is it like

905
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,000
a phone conversation. I mean, if you're writing something down

906
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:22,840
but you're just having to But then he did send

907
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,039
attack plans. You know, there's targets on there, there's you know,

908
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:30,639
there's a lot of what do they call them packets

909
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,239
like attack you know, to tell you what's going to happen.

910
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,320
So I don't know. I don't know enough about that.

911
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,559
I just I always like, if I have this technology,

912
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,760
I want you to do have something better than me,

913
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,599
like so much to have.

914
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,159
Speaker 2: If it's a problem, I mean, I noticed that the

915
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,360
Trump White House today was sending out something written in

916
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,119
the Atlantic during the Biden administration praising the book the

917
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:57,960
Biden administration for using signal for discrete conversations. So if

918
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,320
it were a problem, and maybe it is, I mean,

919
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,679
I'm totally open to the idea that it is. I

920
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
think people should have been raising it when it was

921
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:11,280
publicly announced that Biden this isn't agatcha.

922
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,039
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, in the bigger picture, are these chats

923
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,159
going to mean that we don't see a lot of

924
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:18,920
the deliberations that go on in the future for the story,

925
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,320
for the record or not. I don't know. I don't know.

926
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,719
It doesn't seem like this was a conversation anyone would

927
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,320
have had to have had seen. There's no war crimes

928
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,519
here or anything. It's just completely I'm.

929
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,639
Speaker 2: Going to say something else, like you know, and I

930
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,119
obviously have been trying to run down what all happened

931
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:41,039
here since the story broke, But I think this matches

932
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:45,800
with what Mike Waltz said on Laura Ingram. But I

933
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,719
think he was given a contact with the wrong name

934
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,880
and Jeff Goldberg's number, And whether that was an accident

935
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:01,920
or a malicious thing, I think needs to be determined.

936
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I see a lot of it was responsible.

937
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,559
Speaker 2: For that, Like again, whether that was and I think

938
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,400
you're hearing this also in Trump's comments is saying like

939
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:13,639
maybe it was a staff, or maybe it was an

940
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:15,679
innocent staff, or we're going to figure it out. We're

941
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,679
going to look into it. But if this was an

942
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:20,360
effort to get people off of signal so that things

943
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,559
could be leaked, it kind of is an important part

944
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:27,480
of the conversation too. If we don't have any means

945
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,599
of communication for the elected officials appointees that will not

946
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:37,360
be weaponized by a hostile, bureaucratic, administrative state, that's a

947
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,719
threat to national security too, I know.

948
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,039
Speaker 1: But you know, in another part of this that annoys

949
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:47,000
me is that suddenly the right is very concerned about

950
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:50,199
classified information being handled by journalists, But then they want

951
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,679
to think David Reeboy mentioned this, you know, then but

952
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,280
then they want Snowden to be pardoned, you know, I mean,

953
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,840
you can't have it both ways. If he's a hero,

954
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,519
then Jeffrey Goldberg did nothing wrong either. It's not. In fact,

955
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,920
Jeffrey Goldberg, in this one case, was much more responsible

956
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,920
with that information than Snowden or any of these people

957
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,920
who just like put almost everything christ off.

958
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,679
Speaker 2: That's if he's that's if Goldberg's telling the truth, which

959
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:16,440
would be like a first.

960
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: But what about what I don't understand why that would matter.

961
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,559
Why Snowden procured that information illegally too.

962
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: We're relying on things that Goldberg said, when the one

963
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,760
thing we know about Goldberg is he's a liar.

964
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm talking about the information itself.

965
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,599
I'm not talking about how he obtained it.

966
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: So I the way I'm the way I have heard

967
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,280
these people talking about it is okay, So you all

968
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,239
supported a raid on Mara Lago on the grounds that

969
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,559
Donald Trump, former president, should not have even had any

970
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:59,400
like sensitive information in his possession. So what are you

971
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,880
going to say about jeff Goldberg.

972
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: That's the same they're given it. They're massive hypocrites, the

973
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:05,840
massive hypocrites.

974
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,159
Speaker 2: That's how I understand. I didn't see what reeboy said.

975
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:13,119
But the complaints I've seen toward Goldberg, Like, if Goldberg's

976
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,639
telling the truth that this was highly classified information, what

977
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,960
is he doing with it? And how does that relate

978
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:19,559
to whether he should be prosecuted?

979
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: I think didn't the Atlantic change its headline? I think

980
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,960
he's he oversold it by calling it war plans, which

981
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,440
intimated classified, and I forget how he characterized it in

982
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,360
the piece itself. And now it's attack plans, and like

983
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,519
we said, that's.

984
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,679
Speaker 2: A magic thing. War plans really would be detailed. They

985
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,280
would actually give coordinates, they would actually talk about who

986
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,119
was involved. The plans that were listed were of a

987
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,840
much more spare age generally.

988
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the way if the war looks.

989
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,519
Speaker 2: Like plans of some kind at least, but.

990
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,599
Speaker 1: Even if the war plans for the Houties were out,

991
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,559
we would still be able to destroy them. It's not like,

992
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,199
you know, like we have to remember, well.

993
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it could put people's lives in jeopardy.

994
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,519
Speaker 1: I mean sure, That's why I think it's a big story,

995
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:05,840
you know, I mean it could have been something more serious. Okay,

996
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,719
all right, let's do culture. I think I'd like to

997
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,920
begin this section by revisiting a show I spoke about

998
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,840
last week called Adolescence, which I loved. I thought it

999
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,480
was I think it's a work of art in a way,

1000
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:26,000
and it's just incredibly provocative and all that. So, as

1001
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,559
you saw, you got a bunch of letters and I

1002
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:33,440
was attacked on Twitter for for well, how can I

1003
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,840
say this for telling people the show is great, but

1004
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:41,480
that in fact it was actually an anti white television

1005
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,360
series because it's it's the story is initially about I

1006
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,119
think they might have been immigrants, but two black thirteen

1007
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,920
year olds who stabbed a white a girl in England.

1008
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,119
But the truth is that, you know. So I read

1009
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,960
up on this, I don't you know, I think, well, anyway,

1010
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,440
I read up on it, and one of the creators

1011
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,840
said that yes, he had seen a you know, a

1012
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,119
string of knife attacks by young young people and that

1013
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,440
was one of them compelled them to write about it.

1014
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,800
That was the you know, that was the inspiration for

1015
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,840
the for the script and all that. So it's not

1016
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,760
actually the telling of that story. It's a telling of

1017
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:26,559
a story I find out ident. I just I didn't

1018
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,079
feel any kind of anything about race in the show.

1019
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:31,360
I didn't find it political really at all. I think

1020
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,880
this is an overreaction and people just looking to be

1021
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,519
offended by things. I hate to break the news to folks,

1022
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,519
but plenty of white kids have done things like this.

1023
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:43,360
Even last week, a thirteen year old girl stepped someone,

1024
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:47,000
killed someone, murdered someone, or was accused of it in Poland,

1025
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,079
like it happens in the world. It's a weird thing.

1026
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,480
The show is more about in this new world. Do

1027
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,920
you know what your kids are doing behind closed doors

1028
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,280
on the computer? Like who are they talking to? What

1029
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,159
are they reading? And I just thought it was a

1030
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:05,360
really interesting show, and I just I didn't feel lectured too.

1031
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,559
I didn't feel like it had anything to do with race.

1032
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,039
It was just a bunch of individuals and I don't

1033
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:12,039
know that's how you know. So anyway, I just wanted

1034
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,039
to explain myself to these people writing yelling at me

1035
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:15,519
about this.

1036
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, I have not seen the show. I do want

1037
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,199
to say that that I did get a chance to

1038
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:27,000
watch some television this past weekend and I said, oh,

1039
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,920
David was raving about this one show and Mark said,

1040
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:34,199
I'm going to stop you right there. So I thought

1041
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:35,760
that was pretty mean of him, and I want to

1042
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:36,639
pass that all.

1043
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:39,679
Speaker 1: I'll stop you there because of me, not because of

1044
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:43,559
the show. All right, Yeah, that's nice, Mark, We'll see.

1045
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,239
Speaker 2: But I found so Yeah, you did get a lot

1046
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,880
of pushback on your recommendation of the show. All of

1047
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,119
it seemed to be on the grounds that the show

1048
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:54,000
is propaganda, not that they disagreed with you about the

1049
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:54,920
quality of the show.

1050
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:56,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't about the quality.

1051
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: And this one person went through in great detail about this.

1052
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:08,199
The basis for this story is a really interesting story

1053
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,880
about crime done by immigrants or family members of recent

1054
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:19,960
immigrants against non immigrants, and how the story has been

1055
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,920
upended to be exactly the opposite and is now being

1056
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:27,000
used by political forces in the UK to go after

1057
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,880
people for not being tolerant enough of immigrant groups. And

1058
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:36,199
he was saying it was like if you were to

1059
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,519
say how cinematically great triumph of the Will is and

1060
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:44,320
not be thinking about the context in which it's being

1061
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:46,239
So you did not find that compelled. I thought it

1062
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:47,559
was a pretty compelling email.

1063
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: I thought that was the worst email I got all week,

1064
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,800
And I'll tell you why. First of all, the rest

1065
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,639
of it was just annoying because a lot of people

1066
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,599
think that if because you're not uplifting their point of

1067
00:59:57,679 --> 00:59:59,960
view that you're somehow weak, you know, like I forgot

1068
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:01,239
is that the guy told me to get to eat

1069
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:04,480
wheaties or like, oh no, he said I was was

1070
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,679
a beaten wife? What is it battered wife syndrome? Right, which,

1071
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:11,480
because I don't agree with his particular take on something,

1072
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:15,920
it's not how it works. But this show had nothing

1073
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,360
to do with immigrants. The victim was not an immigrant.

1074
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:23,599
There is one immigrant character who's friends with the person

1075
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,519
who was killed. And incidentally, I'm gonna just these are

1076
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,559
spoilers coming, so I'm just it is what it is.

1077
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,840
It doesn't spoil the show, but you're going to know something.

1078
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:38,199
They portray the victim as a terrible person, a bully.

1079
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,320
The girl in who's the victim was terrible to the

1080
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,599
person who stabbed them. So I never got the feeling.

1081
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:51,159
It was complicated, you know, you felt sympathy for the

1082
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,559
attacker in a way, you know, because of this, like

1083
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,280
he was being bullied online by these girls, and I

1084
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,239
just didn't see any of that. Now I'm always I'm

1085
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:01,000
willing to say I was wrong. I'm not going to

1086
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:02,760
rewatch it because it's a little bit too much. Yeah,

1087
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,039
it's not a kind of show you're going to like

1088
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,480
watch all the time. But I just don't buy that.

1089
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:09,800
I didn't see that, And I think people being just

1090
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,920
a bit too sensitive. Now if there's a problem of

1091
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,360
immigrant kids stabbing you know, locals or natives or whatever

1092
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,480
you want to call them in Britain and elsewhere, and

1093
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:21,920
it's being used in a certain way. I mean, you

1094
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,679
know a lot of good things are misused by by

1095
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,159
by people for political purposes. Historical events are misused, you know,

1096
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,760
Nietzsche is misused, Like you know what I mean, Like

1097
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,440
you can't. I can't worry about that. I think stand

1098
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,159
alone on the show that it's a good show, and

1099
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,519
I just I didn't see it in a racial way

1100
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:41,639
at all. I saw it about individuals struggling. The parents.

1101
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,480
One episode is about the parents struggling to understand how

1102
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,320
they can have a kid who did this? You know,

1103
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,880
like it's just interesting on that level. Wait, you watch

1104
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,440
some TV? Did you watch anything?

1105
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,559
Speaker 2: I did? I got a couple more episodes of White

1106
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:56,320
Lotus in.

1107
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So watching that no yet, and maybe I will.

1108
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,239
Speaker 2: I love it. I find it so interesting in my speed,

1109
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,880
and it's not family friendly viewing. I feel like I

1110
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,519
need to reiterate that, but I find the character super interesting.

1111
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:19,239
In part I've seen all these people say nothing is

1112
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,679
happening this season, but I actually think that's kind of

1113
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,039
the whole situation with White lotuses. It's just people on

1114
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:30,320
vacation or at a resort, and in fact, quite a

1115
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,960
bit happens. I mean, there's been an armed robbery and

1116
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,599
a snake bite, and like, to me, it's very dramatic,

1117
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:39,599
but it's a different way of telling stories. And I

1118
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:42,519
find even just like the craft of how this Mike

1119
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,880
White guy blends the different stories together, but how they're

1120
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,519
all kind of very separate. I just like all of that,

1121
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:53,639
and I like the actors, and so I'm hoping it continues.

1122
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,400
I saw some warning that there's an episode involving incest,

1123
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,960
which I do not want to see at all.

1124
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,199
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I only hear good things about

1125
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,320
the show, generally speaking, but it does seem like the

1126
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:12,559
director or the writer whoever, feels the need to occasionally

1127
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,840
like do something transgressive that's going to like freak people out,

1128
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,320
you know, and it doesn't sound like it needs it, really,

1129
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,840
but I don't know even mind.

1130
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,239
Speaker 2: And then one of the subplots are these three friends

1131
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,280
from childhood who are going on vacation together, and one

1132
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,239
of the women is like a Hollywood actress, maybe a

1133
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,920
TV show actress. Another one is a Trump voter from

1134
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:38,320
Texas who's married to I think a wealthy businessman, and

1135
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,159
then the third is a divorcee who lives in New York.

1136
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,360
And it's portrayed as a toxic three way friendship in

1137
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,440
that the women when they're when it's only two of

1138
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:56,559
the women together, they talk ill of the third. And

1139
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:59,400
what I find interesting about that is that I have

1140
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:03,400
a three way, very close friendship from childhood where I

1141
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,679
still am close to my two besties from that, you know,

1142
01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:12,239
from junior high school, and I am so thankful for them,

1143
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,719
and we are very different. We're all very very different,

1144
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,079
but at least from at least at least as far

1145
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,840
as I'm aware, nobody's ever talked ill.

1146
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,199
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you don't know if they're

1147
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:25,880
talking about you, like.

1148
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,719
Speaker 2: Maybe they are, but they've never spoken ill to me

1149
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,000
about the other. And it's always and we're and it's

1150
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,199
not like we're all in agreement. I know they don't

1151
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:37,079
like my politics, and they're very polite about how they

1152
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:40,119
say it, but they're very also like straightforward about it.

1153
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: You are fascist friend, she's our fascist.

1154
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,039
Speaker 2: No, but like they love me and we've been through

1155
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:48,920
a lot together and we love each other, and I'm

1156
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,719
just so thankful to have a That is one thing

1157
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,039
I don't love is how female friendship is portrayed, always

1158
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,559
so negatively, and in my experience, I have literally never

1159
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:07,360
had anything other than positive, like extremely positive female friendships.

1160
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,760
And I have really close friends. Who are you know

1161
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:10,400
that I've met?

1162
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,519
Speaker 1: Did you grow up with these two friends of yours?

1163
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,400
Do you know them since you're young? Yeah? I think

1164
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,360
those are different kind of friendships than the ones you

1165
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,119
make later in a lot of ways.

1166
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: But it isn't for me. I just have, at least again,

1167
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:27,199
to my knowledge ship, I've had nothing but really really good, supportive,

1168
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,400
loving friendships. And even my girlfriends when they disagree with me,

1169
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,199
they'll just say it. They don't do anything like whatever

1170
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,760
the popular conception of women being conniving, it has not

1171
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,760
been my experience.

1172
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: Okay, it's nice that you have those friendships, you know,

1173
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:48,679
I feel that those are the older I get. As

1174
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:50,719
you know, we've had a whole episode on how I

1175
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,800
have trouble making friends. You'd be very proud of me. Lately,

1176
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,360
I've been walking up to people left and right. Nice

1177
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:59,440
but yeah, trying to start conversations. It's very difficult. But anyway,

1178
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,880
the uh, the friendships I have that I formed when

1179
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,719
I was young, those are stronger. I think just because

1180
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you've had experiences together for so long, you can deal

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with each other, whereas new people might not like your

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quirks or you know, it's hard to, for instance, be

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friends with someone who doesn't share your politics because people

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are very emotional about that the day. I'm not that.

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I never would, you know, push someone unless they were

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like a pro Hamas person or something. I wouldn't, you know,

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I'd be friends with any anyone with other positions.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I have one more. I just want to watch it.

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I think you had said you watched Say Nothing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like the mystery one of those mystery

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British ones.

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Speaker 2: Like a I thought it's about Oh, Say.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's Irish one. No, I read that book a few

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years back. Yeah, I can now watch the show on Hulu.

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You watched it? Was it good?

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Speaker 2: I've only seen one episode, but it is good thus far.

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It's just like a while you're rowing kind of thing.

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So I'll let you know how that goes.

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Speaker 1: But I have two quick ones. I went, I've been

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going to this Jewish film festival and there's the documentaries

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called The Book He Didn't Earn, which is about Hitler's library.

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So I assumed there would be an excellent documentary where

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they're like, well, Hitler had this book and here's what

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this author's philosophy was, and here's how it affected his thinking,

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and that's why, you know. Instead it was just this

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just terrible documentary that basically kept flashing up pictures of

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Donald Trump and like conservatives, and so they talk about

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anti semitism, and you know, they show at least five

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,559
times I think during this documentary the Charlottesville Jews will

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not replace Us or whatever March not one. And this

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guy gets on and he says, first of all, I'm

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in there with hundreds of people just like making all

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kinds of noises every time something stupid. Oh yeah, they

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said Fox News is they go after Fox News is

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the most you know, racist station. And then they say

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the guy says, literally every attack against Jews over the

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last ten years has been perpetrated by right wing nationalists.

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I made like the biggest noise. I mean, Islamists don't

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attack Jews. I don't even know. Yeah, yeah, anyway, don't

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see it. It's awful and really blew a really good idea.

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I thought, sorry I interrupted you. We're gonna say something.

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Speaker 2: I just imagined you in the theater being like, come on,

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like when I watched Basic Instinct with my mother in

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the theater and she was appalled.

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Speaker 1: I did. I think I made some of the people

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around me uncomfortable. But I want to kind of walk out.

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But here's the thing. We were in the in the

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middle of the aisle, and there were a lot of

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old people, so walking out would have taken me like

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a half an hour. So I didn't want to subject

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everyone to that.

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Speaker 2: It was this is a total curb your enthusiasm, skin.

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Speaker 1: People keep calling me grouchy, and I don't know that

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that's true really. But and then I so I had

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started watching severn So, which everyone talks about, and I

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watched the first season whenever it came out twenty twenty two,

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and I thought it was okay, actually good. I thought

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it was good. Started watching the second season. I was

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kind of bored, so I quit. But then everyone was talking, talking,

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about it. So I just been binge watched it, and

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01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,479
again I thought it was okay if you don't think

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too deeply about it. There are some real have you

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watched it?

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Speaker 2: I watched one, like the first one of the first season, okay,

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and it was it was fine. It did not grab

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me at all, and I was like, yeah, this is it.

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Also someone I saw someone tweet that it was a

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low IQ's a low IQ person's idea of a high

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IQ show. And I haven't watched enough to assess whether

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that was accurate, but that was exactly how I felt

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after one episode.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair to some extent. But there are

1253
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some interesting ideas within it, like what if you were

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actually two people and you didn't know each other? Right?

1255
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So is that separate person's morality doesn't matter what they do?

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Are you responsible as a whole for it? You know?

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Are you killing one of them if you turn it off?

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You know? And things like that, which isn't especially high

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IQ but interesting enough. I thought, fine, it's also technically

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well done, and if you don't think too deeply about it,

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it's interesting, but it suffers slightly from the lost problem

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I call it. I don't know if you watch Lost, but.

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Speaker 2: I only read David Harsani's thoughts on Loss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I felt like they constantly The mystery itself

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is so interesting, the premise is so great, and severance

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I think has a great premise. It's very difficult to

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kind of deliver on it, you know, what is actually

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going on, So basically you just go from you answer

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a question with another giant question and so on, and

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at some point you have to actually answer a question fully,

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and when you get there, it's always kind of a

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letdown in the you know, there's there's gonna be another

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season and all that. But anyway, here's the thing. I

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like the attempt of shows sometimes to be a little

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bit smarter, even though it's not as smart as maybe

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the show thinks it is. You know, I just there's

1277
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so much, so many dumb shows on there, so I

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appreciate the effort. I guess I'd say that's all. That's all.

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Speaker 2: It does remind me of this. Did you ever watch Westworld?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I did not love it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I loved I was really, this is fascinating. I'm

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01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:11,159
enjoying where we're going. And I was like, and I

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just cannot wait for the payoff. Yeah, and there was

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no payoff. It was the stupidest ending. I don't even

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remember what it was, but I was angry. And Mark

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makes fun of me because I haven't always watched a

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ton of television like he did growing up, so I

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can more easily get into a show, and then when

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it ends with nothing, he's like, that's just normal, that's how.

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Speaker 1: Television it is.

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Speaker 2: But it enraged me, and I was like, I'm never

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giving my life over to a TV show ever. Again.

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Speaker 1: Finales are usually terrible and I'm the only person though

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01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,920
on Earth I think that I know who thought that

1295
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the Lost finale was fine. I didn't hate it. There

1296
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was really no way to extricate yourself from that storyline

1297
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without doing what they did. I appreciate again a show

1298
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that's well done and pose us some questions that I

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enjoy pondering. I guess, okay, that's it from me. Anything

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else I don't think, so okay. Remember you can email

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us at radio at the Federalist dot com. Be nicer

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01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:25,359
this week, please if you can be And oh I

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love it.

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Speaker 2: You don't care what people say, and then you ask

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them to be nicer after ripping on them throughout the show.

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Speaker 1: The truth is, I don't care what people think about it,

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but I do care when people send me emails making

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bad arguments or misrepresenting my position. That annoys me and

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I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about you thank all the nice people who

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sent you nice mail this week, which we also got

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a lot of.

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Speaker 1: I love you people who send me nice mail, especially

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01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:57,359
one guy I forget his name, I apologize who has

1315
01:12:57,399 --> 01:12:59,279
been reading me since I was at the Denver Post.

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Appreciate him. I wish I could remember the names of

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the people I don't appreciate. I might make a list

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and read it on air. Now. I'm just kidding. Keep writing.

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I like people to challenge my thinking and challenge the

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things I say. It's interesting. I think I'm gonna cut

1321
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all this out though, now Okay, well, anyway, keep sending

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that mail and we'll be back next week. Until then,

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be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.