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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm WBS Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a lot, Madison. Welcome in everybody. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Ray. As Madison was kind enough to mention Rob Brooks,

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<v Speaker 1>our producer back in the control room tonight, as we

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<v Speaker 1>start a Friday night edition of Nightside, heading you into

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. All I gotta do is jump aboard the

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside train. We will bring you right up to Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>well till about eleven fifty eight Friday night. Close enough,

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<v Speaker 1>close enough. I hope you'll stay with us. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>driving anywhere on this beautiful mid September weekend, roll the

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<v Speaker 1>windows down, turn the radio up, and we'll keep your company.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll keep you awake. Don't worry about that, that is

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. We have four very interesting guests coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in this hour. There'll be no phone calls in the

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<v Speaker 1>first hour. We call it the Nightside News Update. We

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<v Speaker 1>give you a little bit of information. Some of it

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<v Speaker 1>is social information, some of it deals with cultural matters,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it deals with news. It's kind of a polperri.

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<v Speaker 1>Then'll get into the main course of the night at

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<v Speaker 1>nine o'clock, going to talk about this crazy scene in

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<v Speaker 1>Newton where some pro Israel demonstrators were attacked by an

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<v Speaker 1>individual both well, at least most of the TV stations

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<v Speaker 1>have been covering that story today, and we have some

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<v Speaker 1>sound from that event. There's a again, you know, why,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't we all just get along? I mean just crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>And then we're going to look at ten o'clock at

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<v Speaker 1>the Karen Reeve case. I think that the lawyers for

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Reid have a real shot here at the State

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court. I will explain why. And then in the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth hour tonight, I would really like to hear from

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<v Speaker 1>some of you about your Friday the thirteenth phobias. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to all of that, I promise, But first off,

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<v Speaker 1>I love to introduce to you Patty Zappa. She's the

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<v Speaker 1>executive vice president of One Warm Coat, which sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous organization. Patty, my first question has to be

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<v Speaker 1>any relation to one Frank Zapper.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately no, but I a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Second. My follow up question is how many times have

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<v Speaker 1>you been asked that question?

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<v Speaker 2>Many?

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<v Speaker 3>I've been married for about twelve years, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>I get it more than my husband does. But no,

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<v Speaker 3>not to our knowledge at least.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I got to assume there are on too

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<v Speaker 1>many people with the last name of Zappa.

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<v Speaker 3>I just we have not heard many. I really should

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<v Speaker 3>do some you know testing on those sites to see

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<v Speaker 3>if we're a connection toological research.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Related, Well, first of all, we're not here to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Frank Zappa or music you hear in your

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<v Speaker 1>capacity as executive vice president of one warm Code National

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<v Speaker 1>Share of the Warmth Day? Is that today or is

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<v Speaker 1>it coming up?

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<v Speaker 3>It's coming up on October eighth, and it's really our

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<v Speaker 3>kickoff to CODE Drive season. So it's a national awareness

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<v Speaker 3>day that you know, we started a few years ago

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<v Speaker 3>to get people aware of our organization and of the

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<v Speaker 3>need for warmth, you know, especially among vulnerable populations as

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<v Speaker 3>we get into the four months of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me tell you, no matter what happens, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets chili right around Thanksgiving and it stays with us

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<v Speaker 1>about Saint Patrick State, particularly all of us here in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northeast. So let me let me ask you, is

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<v Speaker 1>you as a national organization or are you located just

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<v Speaker 1>in the cold weather spots? Tell us about the group.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're a national organization. We were actually sounded in

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco and I am from the Philadelphia area. So

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<v Speaker 3>to me, I was like, oh, this coat organization, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>started in California. Sounded like a little strange, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>of course the weather in San Francisco. San Francisco can

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<v Speaker 3>get so cold. And we started in nineteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 3>when a woman had a coat that she no longer

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<v Speaker 3>had a need for and she could not find anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>to donate it. So she started a coat drive and

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<v Speaker 3>did that for a number of years before our national

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<v Speaker 3>founder a proaster and said, you know, this is such

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<v Speaker 3>a great idea. This should be happening everywhere. Anyone should

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<v Speaker 3>be able to donate a coat at any point. So

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<v Speaker 3>since then we've grown. We're a national organization, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>primarily the facilitate coat drive across the country. Last year

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<v Speaker 3>we collected and distributed about five hundred thousand coats across

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<v Speaker 3>the US. We have about four thousand volunteers that work

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<v Speaker 3>with us. Every year, they register hold a coach drive

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<v Speaker 3>in their local community, and those coats stay local. So

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<v Speaker 3>although we are national, the impact is local stays local.

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<v Speaker 3>Any coats that are collected in Boston, you know, stay

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<v Speaker 3>in those local communities. So it's a great program.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, We're a Boston radio station, but we're heard not

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<v Speaker 1>only throughout in New England, but our over the year signal,

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<v Speaker 1>what's called the terrestrial signal, is very strong, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have people anywhere east of the Mississippi River who are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to us right now, and that doesn't include those

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<v Speaker 1>around the world who can pick us up on the internet. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're at Boston station. I get that. But what can

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<v Speaker 1>people do nominally here in New England, but up and

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<v Speaker 1>down the East coast and as far really as west

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<v Speaker 1>as the Mississippi River. How do they find a contact

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<v Speaker 1>locally so they can help out, volunteer or maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>start a coke drive themselves. What's the last way people

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<v Speaker 1>who want to help can find you or get in

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<v Speaker 1>touch now with you personally but within the organization.

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<v Speaker 3>So the best way is to go to our website,

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<v Speaker 3>which is one Warm coat dot org. And to your point,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what you were just saying, you can do

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<v Speaker 3>a number of things. You can just donate coats, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>go through your closets, pull out the coats that are

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<v Speaker 3>gently worn, they don't have holes and stains, they're clean,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're just not using them anymore. And you can

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<v Speaker 3>search on our website to find co drives in your area,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can just drop off a coat. The next

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<v Speaker 3>step is to hold your own co drive. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have preschoolers, we have huge companies, we have churches,

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<v Speaker 3>Girl Scouts, sports teams. It's a great activity for any

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<v Speaker 3>group or an individual. You can make it a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days, you can make it a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>The program is really customizable to whatever people are looking

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<v Speaker 3>to achieve. So you know, if there's not any co

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<v Speaker 3>drives in your area right now, create a co drive

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<v Speaker 3>that would be an awesome way to go. And then

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<v Speaker 3>as we get further into you know, the co drive

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<v Speaker 3>season October, November, December. A lot of national retailers will

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<v Speaker 3>also hold co drives with that, so Land's End kicks

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<v Speaker 3>off in September, Jakru will start in October, and we

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<v Speaker 3>have a number of others as well. So the goal

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<v Speaker 3>always for one Warm Coat is to make it super

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<v Speaker 3>accessible so that anyone in the country can go to

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<v Speaker 3>our website and find a co drive nearby to take

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<v Speaker 3>coats too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great answer to my question, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>would be hanging over the minds of many people. You

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<v Speaker 1>really nailed it. So it's one warm coat and I

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<v Speaker 1>assume one is spelled out one warmth yes war mcoachcoat

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<v Speaker 1>dot org. Do people participate on an annual basis? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have sort of a backbone of volunteers and people

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<v Speaker 1>around the country who you know, every September October are

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend some time doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, we have a number of people that do it

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<v Speaker 3>every year. And you know, someone just came to mind

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<v Speaker 3>as a little girl who she's not little Chelly, a

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<v Speaker 3>teenager now she's been doing it with us since is

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<v Speaker 3>probably eight years old, and continue to do it every year.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have probably about thirty percent of our volunteers

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<v Speaker 3>each year do it every year, and then we have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of new people as well, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>that's also doesn't speak to you know, the bake retailers

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<v Speaker 3>and corporations that also will come back and do it

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<v Speaker 3>with us every year because it's such a great it's

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<v Speaker 3>a simple way to make a big impact in your community.

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<v Speaker 3>So once people do it and they realize how fun

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<v Speaker 3>it can be, you know, people are really creative with

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<v Speaker 3>what they do. We've had companies do like a chili

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<v Speaker 3>cookoffs to see you know how many coats they can

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<v Speaker 3>bring in. So people are very creative with the way

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<v Speaker 3>that they encourage people in their community, in their workplace

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<v Speaker 3>to bring in codes. So it's really fun and to

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<v Speaker 3>your point, you go to the website. Also, we're one

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<v Speaker 3>warm Coat on all of the social media channels, so

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<v Speaker 3>we encourage everyone to follow us there as well. We

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<v Speaker 3>can really see, you know, what we're doing, what people

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<v Speaker 3>in the community are doing, and how you can get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Great great, great program, great drive and certainly you see

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<v Speaker 1>people who are walking the streets in wintertime and they

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<v Speaker 1>some of them don't have shoes, some of them don't

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<v Speaker 1>have coats, and this is a great project. Patty's Apple.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for spending some time with us

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<v Speaker 1>this Friday night, and I hope that you having me

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers as result of our few minutes talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, Thanks so much. I appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 3>very welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on the other side of the break here,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the Red Bull Tug of

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<v Speaker 1>or not the trunk Tug of War, but a tug

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<v Speaker 1>of or a r on the Charles River. This Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk with Mike Ferry, former Riverside President and

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<v Speaker 1>the MC of Red Bull Tug of War. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to w BZ, Boston's news Radio ten

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<v Speaker 1>Quer welcome Mike Ferry. He's a former Riverside President, the

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<v Speaker 1>MC for Red Bull Tug of or Mike, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar Riverside President. Is that a connection to Boston?

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely is. Dan, Yeah, So thanks for having me

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<v Speaker 2>this evening. So I am the former president of Riverside

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<v Speaker 2>Boat Club in Cambridge, Massachusetts. So one of the many

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<v Speaker 2>story gun clubs. Indeed, yeah, so so rowing on the

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<v Speaker 2>Charles every day. I love it and happy to have

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<v Speaker 2>led that organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now you are going to be as I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that coming in here, and are you the organizer?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your title with this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm going to be the MC and I

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<v Speaker 2>am part of the planning team for a one of

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<v Speaker 2>a kind rowing event going on tomorrow called tug.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Or Now when you say one of a kind

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<v Speaker 1>are you talking about this is the first time? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I have never heard of this type of event. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have you explain it in a moment. But they do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of rowing on the Charles River. But is

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<v Speaker 2>This has never been done before. And Dan, let me

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<v Speaker 1>of all, you have to have binoculars. They all look

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, this is different exactly how it works. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you see it on the Olympics once every four years,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so this is not going to be going

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<v Speaker 2>Sir, Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's it's red bull tug

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<v Speaker 2>of oar. And so it's a twist on tug of war. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So the game we all played on field day when

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<v Speaker 2>going to be doing that in the rowing boats and

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<v Speaker 2>the two boats are going. So it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>So they're really going.

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<v Speaker 1>To be back I'm not a rower, but are they're

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Yeah? So, so they will actually be facing each other, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So when you're when you're rowing, you're actually facing backwards

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<v Speaker 2>right to get the most leveraged. So they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>No, wait a second, I'm maybe so you will have

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good question. Actually, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the exact length. I have to talk to my ops

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we we don't want a lot of slack.

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<v Speaker 2>We just want maximum carnage, right, we want intensity.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So they are looking face at each other, face.

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<v Speaker 2>To face, uh huh, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead of going forward, one of them is going

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<v Speaker 1>to pull the other across the line. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of like a one and done tournament. You have,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, is that sixteen teams and each team is

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<v Speaker 2>It right, Okay, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>It must be eighteen years of old. Is it too

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<v Speaker 1>late to sign up? Not that I'm going to sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, but yeah, so it's a little too late to

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<v Speaker 2>sign up. But this is an inclusive event, so we

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<v Speaker 2>want to get as many people down there as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you've never seen rowing, you never touched an

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<v Speaker 2>or it doesn't matter. Just come down check it out,

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<v Speaker 2>and who knows, maybe next year, hopefully we're hoping to

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<v Speaker 2>make this a tradition and maybe next year some of

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so my understanding is it runs from one o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow afternoon until approximately four to forty five, and the

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<v Speaker 1>best viewing sites are the Week's Footbridge. Is that near

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<v Speaker 1>the Well Boathouse. I'm trying to figure where the Week's

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<v Speaker 2>They have so many exactly yeah, that's exactly right. So

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<v Speaker 2>we nails you nailed it, yeah, absolutely man. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's on the Charles River at the Week's Footbridge.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's not the bridge that leads into JFK Boulevard.

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<v Speaker 2>If people are used to driving around like Soldier sealed

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<v Speaker 2>road and all that, but it's close, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pedestrian bridge that's right next to it. It's near

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<v Speaker 2>well Boat House, it's near Harvard's campus, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>you could do a web search for weeks foot bridge

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<v Speaker 2>and GPS will take you right there.

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<v Speaker 1>So, now, how did you select the lucky participants?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I don't know how lucky they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be because this is going to be a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of action, right so, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be really tired at the end. But so we put

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<v Speaker 2>out an open call for participants. Again, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to my registration team to figure out exactly how many.

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<v Speaker 2>But we very carefully curated the list right to be

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive and make sure that we've got some really top

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<v Speaker 2>end athletes from conventional traditional growing and some relative newcomers

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<v Speaker 2>as well, just to shake things up.

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<v Speaker 1>So there will be sixteen teams, and so you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>eight competitions. Those eight winners will then face off in

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<v Speaker 1>a second round. You'll go down four people for four teams.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll face off, and then the two finalists will face off.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it all one and done? There's no like two

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, we're we're going cutthroat, We're going brutal. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a single elimination bracket tournament, similar to March

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<v Speaker 2>Badness or or other kinds of tournaments like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and whoever wins gets a trophy at the end. No really,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah, no, this trophy, I've seen it. It

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<v Speaker 2>would look pretty good sitting on your mantle, just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the ultimate prize is the bragging rights,

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<v Speaker 2>which you can't really put a value on. Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm assuming I could be wrong, but I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>the assumption that all of your teams are probably, if

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<v Speaker 1>not New England based, at least maybe even Boston based.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that that is definitely a fair assumption.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Ringer team from Siberia, I assume.

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<v Speaker 2>No, definitely not. But I mean, so the Charles is

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<v Speaker 2>in many ways the best possible venue for this event, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a critical mass of really good rowers, right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>super great athletes signed up, including some former national team athletes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>who have competed at the highest levels of sport has

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<v Speaker 2>to offer. So you know, spectators tomorrow are really going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in for a treat.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, people going to be able to. We now have

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<v Speaker 1>legalized sports betting in Massachusetts. If there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>On over the on the bridge, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>People could be taking action. I'll be on the lookout

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<v Speaker 2>for that tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So how did you get involved in this? Are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you actually a Boston guy who's coming home for

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<v Speaker 1>this event or are you somebody who is Boston based? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I have lived in Yeah, I've lived in the Boston

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<v Speaker 2>area now for twenty five years. I've been a rower.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a champion myself, so I've won Head of the

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<v Speaker 2>Charles three times, and so a few friends of mine

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<v Speaker 2>we're putting this together in collaboration with Red Bull. We've

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<v Speaker 2>done similar events in the past as well. And they

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<v Speaker 2>called me up and I said, yeah, man, sign me

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<v Speaker 2>up for one more ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only did you row in college?

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<v Speaker 2>I did?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>No, So I wrote it Mit. You lost every race

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<v Speaker 2>except one, and I decided that wasn't enough, so I

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<v Speaker 1>My son in law played basketball at MIT, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I know that it's a Division III school. I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what they were in terms of rowing. But

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<v Speaker 1>you were able because you went to MIT. You can

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<v Speaker 1>figure this sixteen down to eight, down to four, down

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<v Speaker 1>to two, down to a champion pretty easily. You got

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<v Speaker 1>the math down at least for this, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, absolutely, Yeah, I'll be checking the list twice, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Mike. You got a good sense of

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<v Speaker 1>human you got a good way about you. You could

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<v Speaker 1>be a radio guy or a TV guy. Very good

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<v Speaker 1>at what you're doing. You're gonna be the MC tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's going to be very entertaining, entertaining and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. It starts at one o'clock goes

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<v Speaker 1>until close to five, four forty five. The the John W.

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<v Speaker 1>Week's Footbridge on the Charles kind of near Harvard and

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<v Speaker 1>the world Boat House, and the parking's not bad over

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<v Speaker 1>there at this time of year. I hope Harvard doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a football game tomorrow. Maybe you know that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure there will be a spot for everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not too hard to get to via the

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<v Speaker 2>tea or the bus as well. So come check us

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<v Speaker 2>out Week's foot Bridge. Like you said, one to five tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds great, Mike Ferry. I appreciate the time. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>a great sense of humor in for an M I T. Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You're pretty quick. I mean no, no, only kidding, only

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<v Speaker 2>Right, have a great evening, Dan, Thank you, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 1>We go back. We're going to talk about something all

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<v Speaker 1>of us would like to have more of happiness. Stay

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<v Speaker 1>right with us here on Nightside. We're trying to have

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<v Speaker 1>fun on a Friday night. Tell you about some things.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that if you have nothing to do tomorrow, or

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<v Speaker 1>if you do it, have something scheduled earlier in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>go down and get the and take it. This should

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<v Speaker 1>be fun. That should be fun. We'll be back on

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside right after this. Now back to Dan ray Line

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<v Speaker 1>from the Window World.

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm delighted to introduce to you doctor David Wexler.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an ear nose and throat specialist at Marlborough Hospital

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been collaborating with NASA to analyze the effects

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<v Speaker 1>of space on hearing. Doctor Wexler, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>sound like a pessimist, but this sounds like an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>effort that you're making.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you able to even do this, well, I've

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<v Speaker 4>I've always been interested in the ear and hearing. It

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<v Speaker 4>took me a little while to find there was a

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<v Speaker 4>need to do this study with NASA. NASA is always

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<v Speaker 4>interested in cup health and safety right from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 4>from the early days of the military transition into modern spaceflight,

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<v Speaker 4>so they've always checked hearing. But in the last twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years or so, they've started checking hearing on orbit, not

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<v Speaker 4>just before and after spaceflight, but while they're up there orbiting,

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<v Speaker 4>like on the International Space Station, so that test is

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<v Speaker 4>caught an on orbit hearing assessment. It's actually done by

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<v Speaker 4>the astronauts and the OOHA or ouha is the on

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<v Speaker 4>orbit hearing assessments that they do. Interestingly, side note, the

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<v Speaker 4>Russian word for ear is uha uha, So the Russians

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<v Speaker 4>have their uha, but we in NASA have ouha the

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<v Speaker 4>hearing tests, and that data has been collected for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time. There's hundreds of these tests. Of course, it's

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<v Speaker 4>been looked at, but it's never been systematically and fully

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<v Speaker 4>analyzed or published. So I got involved with that this

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<v Speaker 4>past year, okay, And so the study is underway. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a whole process to get approval for this. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of privacy issues with the astronaut data, but you

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<v Speaker 4>go through all the committees and all the training and

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<v Speaker 4>like there you go. The study is happening, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let me ask you. There have been I

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<v Speaker 1>can remember Alan Shepherd and John Glenn and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the astronauts who died, Gus Grissom, as well as of

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<v Speaker 1>course the Challenger and all of that. They must have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of data on the astronauts who have spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time up in space. Is the focus

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<v Speaker 1>of this study to find out what impact spaceflight has,

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<v Speaker 1>what residual impact spaceflight has on an individual's hearing? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the focus of the study.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very good question, what you ask, and we're interested,

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<v Speaker 4>of course in all of it. So there's an office

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<v Speaker 4>called the Longitudinal Surveillance of Astronaut Health. They can concerned

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<v Speaker 4>themselves with the whole thing during the astronaut years and

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of the life of the astronauts to see

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<v Speaker 4>how things play out. The main focus of the study

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm doing is to say, hey, what happens to

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<v Speaker 4>hearing in space? We know what their baseline hearing test

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<v Speaker 4>was pre flight. How we doing when we're on orbit

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<v Speaker 4>for a month or six months or.

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<v Speaker 3>Up to a year.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a lot of stress on the system. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>it shows up in other ways too, not just the ears.

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<v Speaker 4>There's concerns about changes in vision, there's bone loss. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot that happens if you stay in space for

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<v Speaker 4>a long time. So all the organ systems are understudy,

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<v Speaker 4>they're under surveillance, and of course I'm interested in the

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<v Speaker 4>hearing part of it. So we have the hearing tests

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<v Speaker 4>and it's done by astronauts, not by professional audiologists, So

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<v Speaker 4>we're we have to factor that into the accuracy of

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<v Speaker 4>the data. That's my job to work on that and

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<v Speaker 4>get the proper statistical analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>When the study is.

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<v Speaker 1>The astronauts, the tester done on the astronauts, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not being tested by audiologists. Are being tested by other astronauts.

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<v Speaker 1>That I misunderstand.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, until we get an audiologist in space. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>they're on the space station, gotcha, Okay, they're doing instrumentation

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<v Speaker 4>on this. Everything that's measured on astronauts is done by astronauts.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I thought, what we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>was when an astronaut first goes into space. All of

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<v Speaker 1>us who have ever been on an airplane know that

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<v Speaker 1>as the airplane moves up five thousand and thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>feeds you your ears sort of pop. Everyone has had

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<v Speaker 1>a has had that experience. So if that happens while

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<v Speaker 1>you're on an airplane, which is in a controlled situation,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they must be more impact on astronauts. My question

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<v Speaker 1>is this, and again I probably am asking dumb questions,

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<v Speaker 1>but I learned in law school there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as a dumb question. Has there been studies which say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>before this space flight, their hearing level is here, and

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<v Speaker 1>after that seven days in space or seven weeks in space,

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing when they come back to Earth, they test

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<v Speaker 1>them up in space. I assume they test them when

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<v Speaker 1>they come back and you can have an audiologist test.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a change.

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<v Speaker 4>So that data, the older data is published. It was

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<v Speaker 4>looked at around two thousand and three and published, and

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<v Speaker 4>the ear holds up pretty well. When you test postflight,

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<v Speaker 4>it's looking not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>There was some concern that there's changing during flight, because

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<v Speaker 4>again your body's floating, the fluid is shifting in your body.

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<v Speaker 4>You're getting different pressure in your head and then your

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<v Speaker 4>sinuses and then your mastoid. So there was concern is

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<v Speaker 4>the hearing shifting on orbit and could just have operational implications.

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<v Speaker 4>But to answer your question, before and after, so far

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<v Speaker 4>that data is looking good. Now there's some additional review

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing in a large data set, but my main

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<v Speaker 4>focus is what's happening in between before and after. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>doing like while they're up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're testing up there, and I assume that

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<v Speaker 1>the results are still too early to define anything specifically.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm not supposed to release what I have yet

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<v Speaker 4>until it clears with NASA, they're very careful, okay with

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<v Speaker 4>data control mass. This study is happening and we will

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<v Speaker 4>have some answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how long do you think we'll have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for those? Are we talking about six months? People will

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<v Speaker 1>want to look forward to hearing it and say, gee,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard doctor Wex Lauran with Dan Ray and WBZ

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<v Speaker 1>in September. Is there a time frame on the release

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<v Speaker 1>of that information.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm hoping to get approval for an abstract for

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<v Speaker 4>Aerospace Medical Association meeting. You know, in the next couple

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<v Speaker 4>months or so, and that'll get our foothold.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that would be a public formal presentation with

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<v Speaker 1>be open to the media and the public or is

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<v Speaker 1>that a closed event by.

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<v Speaker 4>The time of the official meeting, which is I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to be on June first, then it's definitely

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<v Speaker 4>out in the public. Okay, So I think it might

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<v Speaker 4>be approved for release before then, but the official public

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<v Speaker 4>presentation would be like in June in Atlanta, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore less than than a year from now the

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<v Speaker 1>findings will be released. One final question, has there been

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<v Speaker 1>a long term study on astronauts compared to the to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the non astronauts, to the public at large

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<v Speaker 1>that as the astronauts have aged, I think all of

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<v Speaker 1>us who age lose a little acuity in hearing. I

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<v Speaker 1>would think that probably true. Absolutely their loss of acuity

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<v Speaker 1>and hearing any greater than the public at large?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it better you know, less loss of acuity and hearing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you definitely ask all the right questions. There's some

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<v Speaker 4>unpublished data, even though we do there is a study.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm holding a study from twenty fourteen that shows how

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<v Speaker 4>this hearing drops off with age in astronauts, and although

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<v Speaker 4>we still have to go back and compare against the

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<v Speaker 4>general population, I think it's a bit worse than astronauts

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<v Speaker 4>because many of them that are older now started off

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<v Speaker 4>as military pilots with a lot of noise exposure from

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<v Speaker 4>the old jets, so that was a disadvantage. Let me

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<v Speaker 4>say something interesting to close out. In this same chart

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm looking at right now, the female astronauts did

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<v Speaker 4>better than the men as a group. The male astronauts

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<v Speaker 4>really have diminished hearing compared to the women with age.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will also add there were male astronauts for

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<v Speaker 1>many years before female astronauts, so I hope they have

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<v Speaker 1>taken that into consideration.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the curbs don't go all the way out for

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<v Speaker 4>women because they got into the game later. Okay, there's

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<v Speaker 4>many trends that have to be followed, and NASA does

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<v Speaker 4>follow them, and that's and I'm trying to be part

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<v Speaker 4>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>You've you've been a great guest. I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked you tough questions and uh, but you've more

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<v Speaker 1>than my match. Doctor. Thank you so much, Thank you very.

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<v Speaker 4>Much, And let's let's follow up next to your Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to doctor David Wexler ear knows and throws

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<v Speaker 1>specialists at Marlborough Hospital. You know what I like about

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<v Speaker 1>your doctor. You're enthusiastic about what you're doing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just think that is the key for anyone. Your enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 1>comes through the radio loud and clear. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>as a total, the absolute compliment that I could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>are for. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate that and my pleasure to speak with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks great.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we come back. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty ugly incident that took place in Newton last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess around five point thirty six o'clock. We'll break

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<v Speaker 1>it down, and I hope you'll join the conversation on

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<v Speaker 1>this one because this is an ugly incident in what

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<v Speaker 1>a considered to be one of the nicest communities in

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<v Speaker 1>the country, Newton, Massachusetts. Back on nightside after the nine

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock news
