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now from October eighteenth, nineteen fifty one. Here is the

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big story, man.

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Speaker 2: The story you're about to hear is true. The names

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have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a detective sergeant.

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You're assigned a burglary detail. A dozen churches in your

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city are victimized by a team of experienced safe burglars.

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You at track the suspects for weeks. You finally apprehend

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three men. Your job an victim.

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Speaker 3: Drag Met the documented drama of an actual crime. For

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police buyers, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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Dragnet is the story of your police force and action.

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Speaker 4: It was Sunday, March fifth, was cloudy in Los Angeles.

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We were working the day Watch out of burglary detail.

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My partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Wisdom. My

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name's Friday. I was on the way back from the

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record Bureau and it was eleven thirty PM when I

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got the room twenty five A, the interrogation room.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, Ben, Yeah, Joe got a minute.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, wait here, Brighton back in a minute. Yeah,

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let's go out in the hall. Huh, how you doing

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with Bryson? Me tell you anything now, I admit a thaying.

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How about the other two men?

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Speaker 4: No nothing, they're sitting tight waiting for their lawyer to

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show up. Had all three of 'em check through R

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and I. Bryson's a two time loser burglary GTA, his

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two partners served time for robbery.

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Speaker 6: We shouldn't have too much trouble putting them away. We

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got a good enough collection of physical labiness, you know,

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maybe heard from the prime labyat No, not yet. I'd

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feel a lot better about it if we'd get Buyson

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to cop out. Let's try him again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's well, nothing to lose.

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Speaker 6: Yes, keep your safe, Bryce, And you've got a few

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more questions for you. Excuse me. I thought you had

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it all squared away by now. I thought you're going

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to say I could leave by now.

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Speaker 5: No afraid not. Bryce, And you haven't even given us

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a story yet.

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Speaker 6: Well, I told you I didn't have anything to do

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with it. It seems pretty obvious I didn't. I thought

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you'd take my word for it.

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Speaker 4: Ca an, you think of any reason why we should.

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You lied to us once already to know I didn't

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lie to I told you the truth. I didn't break

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into that church. I didn't have anything to do with it.

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Speaker 6: On the way in here, we asked you if you'd

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ever been arrested before, and you told us no. I

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Reckon Bureau says you're a two time loser. Well I'm

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sorry about that, Sergeant, I really am. When you pick

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me up, I guess I got a little nervous. I

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didn't mean to lie to Yeah, I was just a

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little mixed up. I guess you've had a little time

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to settle down. You ought to be able to tell

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us your story. Now, just relax and take your time. Well,

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what did the other two fellas started, Miller and Hendy.

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What difference did that make to you? Well, it might

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make a lot of difference. Sorry, you just tell us

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your story, that's all we asked. What were you doing

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at the scene of the burglary? What business did you

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have there? If you went mixed up? And then you've

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got nothing to hide. I haven't got anything to hide.

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I just don't want to involve a lot of innocent

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people that saw anything you tell us, it's going to

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help you, you know that. But all right, so strictly confidential. Well,

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or one of those other fellows you picked up tonight,

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the darkhead fella. His name's Miller, Tony Miller. He's engaged

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to marry my sister.

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Speaker 5: You know, Well, what's that got to do it? Now?

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Speaker 6: Please give me a chance. I'd like to lay it

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all out for him. Well, ever since my sister got

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engaged him and I've been worried about it. I never

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liked him to begin with. Likely, I've been keeping an

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eye on Miller, him and that friend of his, Henderson.

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I knew they were up to something. And then I

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read in the paper about that string of the church burglaries.

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That guy's breaking into churches. Nothing have to safe. Well,

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I had an idea, is Miller and his friend? How

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do you mean, bro? That made you think he was him?

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I had an idea, that's all. I couldn't prove anything.

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It was just a hunt. You must have had some

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reason to suspect him. Nothing definite. No, I just knew

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something was wrong, that they were up to something. Well,

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then earlier tonight I saw a friend of Tony Miller's,

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a one of the bars in the neighborhood. I talked

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to him a while and finally told me that Miller

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and Henderson were out working a deal. Said they were

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going to break into a church over on Eighth Street

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and knock over the city not till this friend of

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Miller's let you win on it. Well, I guess he

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thought I was a pretty close friend, as he knew

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Tony's going to marry my sister. Anyway, when I found

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out about it, I got over to that church as

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fast as I could. I wanted to find Miller Henderson

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try and talk him out of it. I didn't want

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any guy who was going to marry my sister getting

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in that trouble like that. But you know, maybe going

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to jail for berg if Roell.

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Speaker 5: Miller's been in jail before. I suppose you knew that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I knew it, but that was before he was

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engaged to my sister. You met Miller and Hennison outside

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of the church, did you No? I was too late.

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They had already broken into the place. So I went

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around on the back of the church and I saw

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one of the stained glass windows as broken while they'd

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gotten in. I climbed up on the cellar, and I

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could see him working inside of it, some kind of

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a small back room. They were working on the safe,

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both of them, Miller and Henderson.

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Speaker 5: So what'd you do then?

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Speaker 6: Right? I tried to talk him out of it. They

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wouldn't listen.

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Speaker 4: I suppose you can prove your I mean that friends

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you met in the buy, the one who tipped you

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off about the burgery.

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Speaker 5: I guess he'd be willing to go back up his student.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure, Sergint. He might lie. He might

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not want to get involved. How about Miller and Henners

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in their back at that point, If you weren't involved

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in the deal, it wouldn't be any reason for them

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to implicate you. Would We're sure there would. Tony Miller

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thinks it's my fault. He's in jail. He hates me.

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You can't take his word. I think probably the first

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thing he'd do is lie about it in Henderson too.

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And who you got to corroborate your story? Well maybe nobody,

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But it's the truth. I swear to it's the truth.

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I'll tell the same thing in court if I have to.

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They gotta believe you're asking them, leaf Man. That's the

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way it happened, So help me. Yeah, I'll tell me

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the truth sod and you know I didn't have a

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hand in it. If it goes to court, they couldn't

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convict me, could they? Come on? What do you think?

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Speaker 5: I think you're a liar?

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Speaker 4: To the working detective, the one logical way to appraise

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a known criminal is bias record.

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Speaker 5: You estimate him the same way.

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Speaker 4: You check a particular makeup, automobile, a racehorse, or a

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radio set by past performance. By refusing to buy a

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trumped up story, we didn't figure that we were doing

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the suspect Charles Bryson, an injustice. Bryson was thirty seven

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years old. He'd spent thirteen of those thirty seven years

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in prison, either the county jail or the state penitentiary.

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His criminal record dated back to the time he was

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twenty years old. Besides serving numerous shorter terms for lesser

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offenses in the county jail, Brison had spent two terms

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in the state penitentiary for burglary. Despite the efforts of

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the probation officers, the adult authority, and the rehabilitation officials

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to help him, he seemed content to go along in

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his criminal career. In this particular case, the series of

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church burglaries, we had good reason to believe that Bryce

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and then his two accomplices, Miller and Henderson, were the

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guilty men. All three of them were booked at the

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main jail on suspicion of four fifty nine PC. The

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next morning, Ben and I checked in at the crime lab,

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Lee Jones.

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Speaker 6: You're run and here my bill. How about that they

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gave the place a new code of paint. Yeah, sure

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needed it, fellas hiding Lee.

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Speaker 7: That set of burglary tools those thieves were using that

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church last night. Just finished checking them over. Might have

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two or three things for him, but he got a

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look over here you find set of tools. I take

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it to thieves had a lot of practice.

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Speaker 6: All three of them had records. How about some of

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the other physical evidence you got there?

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Speaker 7: One thing at a time though. First of all, these

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tools here for her small sledge, these three Jimmy Finch,

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Bonn and the screw driver. I think we can tie

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them in with at least six of those church burglaries.

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I think we can do for certain Goodn't there for

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three convictions? I think so? For jury's listening, Why you

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got it?

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Speaker 5: Worked out le tool markings. That's part of it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I want you to take a look at this

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pinchbar here. They did a lot of their work with this.

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I guess I don't have to tell you there aren't

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two identical pinch bars in the world that could leave

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the same exact markings on a piece of woodwork around

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a safe. You know, they're on a pair of tools

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in the world that leave the same markings than anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we know, But can you show a jury positivity

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that the thieves used this pinch bar here on six

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of the jobs they pulled.

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Speaker 6: That's the idea.

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Speaker 7: Are compared specimen markings of every one of these tools

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against the marketings made at the point of entry on

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six of the churches these thieves broke into. In every case,

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the markings match perfectly. These are the tools that made them,

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no doubt about it. The screwdriver, the set of window jimmies,

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and the pinch barner.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure I won't hurt our case any get anything else.

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Speaker 7: Then I examined the end of the pinch barer of

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the microscope, checked the screw driver jimmies too. The tips

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of each one of them are contaminated with particles of pink,

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different kinds of paint. I've already compared these paint transfers

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samples of paint taken from the exterior of those churches

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that were broken into each one of them. They match

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all the way. The color of the paint, the age,

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degree of oxidation, the lead content compares perfectly. Now come

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over here something else once you got theren These are

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the shoes the two men you found inside the church

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were wearing. These are the foot impressions the boys from

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Layton Prince lifted off the floor in front of the

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safe inside the church. Oh, we know them on that

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church floor shot up. The dest impressions of the feet

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pretty good. Did you make the brain the boys from

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Layton Prince did. Yeah, good impressions. See here general size

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of the shoe, the make heal impressions, to wear pattern

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on the sole. Here the whole general characteristics of both

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pair of shoes matches.

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Speaker 5: Up to a team. How much is that going to

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mean to a jurim Well.

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Speaker 7: I mean a lot. It's the truth. It's the same

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thing I've been telling you. It's the same thing I'd

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like to tell every copy of the department. If you

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can place an object at the scene of the crime

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beyond a reasonable doubt, then don't go thrashing around looking

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for an object that's an exact duplicate. Don't play hawk show.

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Any microscope will tell you there are no two things

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in this world exactly and identically alike. I don't care

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if it's a pair of shoes, a gun, the crowbar,

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or you're two front teeth. Now that's where it lines

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up to me. I think you're going to have trouble.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know they we shouldn't have.

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Speaker 7: You got the three of them right at the seat

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of the crime. Not all be enough for the court. Yeah,

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I hope, So you know I's on shore.

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Speaker 4: Well, Lee, there's only one time I'm sure about Thias

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like Bryson. Yeah, when they check them in at San Clinton.

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Two days later, Charles Bryson and his two accomplices, Henderson

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and Miller were arraigned in municipal court and a date

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set for their preliminary hearing. Four days later, the preliminary

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hearing was held and the three of them were bound

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over for arrangement in Superior Court.

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Speaker 5: In the weeks that followed.

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Speaker 4: Before their arrangement and superior court trial, Ben and I

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worked along with the District Attorney's office preparing the case

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against the three men, taking statements, running down additional evidence,

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checking and rechecking, piecing together the facts which we hope

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would earn a conviction for each of the criminals. We

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weren't positive that it happened. The strongest part of our

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case was going to come out of the crime lab,

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the testimony of Lee Jones. And we knew as well

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as Lee did that generally speaking, juries are not too

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much in sympathy with scientific fact when it has to

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do with physical evidence. Generally they don't follow technical cases

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too well. We also knew that the three defendants had

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a good lawyer, a clever one. Getting convictions wasn't going

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to be easy. The trial opened in Superior Court June second.

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Then and I testified when we were called on on

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the morning of June ninth, the jury retired to deliberate.

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Wait that afternoon, we got a call from the Hall

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of Justice.

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Speaker 6: Yes, many, Yeah, what's that? Muh I see uh huh,

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that's laugh. I guess I think jury's back, Joe. They

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came up with the verdict Henderson and Miller. They found

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them both guilt at first degree.

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Speaker 5: Burger again, what about Bryson? They let him go?

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe it was no great shock to us, but

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after the time and effort we put in on the case,

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it was a disappointment the worst of the three criminals

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had been set free. At the trial, Bryson had taken

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the stand and told the court the same Cock and

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Bull's story. He told Ben and I that he'd gone

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to the church the scene of the burglary to plead

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with Henderson.

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Speaker 5: And Miller not to commit the crime.

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Speaker 4: Bryson had a good personality and a fast line of talk.

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Wasn't hard to see how he could convince a jury

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that it was only an innocent bystander. The biggest obstacle

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that stood in the way of convicting Bryson was that

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the prosecution, a district attorney, according to law, could not

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call to the attention of the jury Bryson's previous criminal record,

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especially as two prior convictions for burglary, to them. Because

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of the limitations of the law, he was presented as

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a private citizen with as much integrity and as clean

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of any previous guilt as you or your neighbor.

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Speaker 5: Henderson and Miller were committed.

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Speaker 4: To the state penitentiary to serve sentences as prescribed by law,

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and Charles Bryson shortly after the trial left the city.

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Two months passed Saturday, August eighth, I started on my vacation.

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Two weeks later, on August twenty second, I checked back

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in for work.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Joe, good at seeing aid Jim. What's been doing? Oh?

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Not too much. How the vacation go well? Pretty good? Thanks? Mother?

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Speaker 4: And I went up north to visit some relative was something.

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We're in county. It was a nice trip for she

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hasn't been feeling too well, you know. Oh it's too bad,

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getting fish and done a little. Yeah, it's sure. Beautiful

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country up.

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Speaker 5: There is better.

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Speaker 8: Uh no, No, I took off today. He's been putting

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in some full days while you've been going so anything

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special doing?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Nothing too big? String a chain story, Burger Race, south

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end of town. I've been working along with Ben. Yeah,

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giving you much trouble. It's been going a couple of weeks,

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not getting any better, but beginning to feel the pressure

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alone or how does it stand? Any leads on a

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suspect Just one yeah, guy, the name of Charles Bryson.

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Speaker 4: When our suspect, Charles Bryson left Los Angeles after his trial.

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Some three months before, we had reports that he was

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hitded east for the city of Memphis, Tennessee. In subsequent weeks,

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we had word that he was also seen in Saint Louis, Missouri,

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where police officers had him under surveillance as a possible

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suspect and a robbery there honor. About August tenth, the

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Saint Louis police lost track of Bryson. A week later,

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the newest series of burglaries began throughout Los Angeles. The

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thiefs mo matched that of Bryson down to the last detail.

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The places burglarized were change stores supermarkets.

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Speaker 5: Generally, the method of entry was the.

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Speaker 4: Same, crying open a back window with a pinch bar

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similar tool. The manner in which the safes were opened

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in the various business places that match too, So did

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five sets of foot impressions found at the scene of

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five different burgaries, each of them made by a man

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wearing tennis shoes. The operation corresponded exactly to the way

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Bryson worked, but there was one big hitch in the investigation.

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Nobody could be sure Bryson was back in town. No

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one had seen him, no one had heard from him. Monday,

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August twenty fourth, eight A M.

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Speaker 6: Got us running in circle. So far, Joe, I can't

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figure it. I bet lunch money is Bryson, but we

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can't even.

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Speaker 5: Start to prove.

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Speaker 6: Well, how about the people in town Bryson runs with.

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Speaker 5: They all been checked out.

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Speaker 6: There's one we know about. Yeah, his friends Relictis are

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always known hangouts. We've been over at every inch of

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the way. Knows they're not saying. There's no trace of

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it's a possibility. Maybe we're wrong. Go ahead, what do

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you mean maybe we're wrong. Well, the only lead we've

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got is the m O. Bryson isn't the only thief

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who operates that way. It could be another man using

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the same system. Yeah, we've thought about that. He ran

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a check to the stats office. Yeah. The only known

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Burglers and our records too, operate like Bryson are either

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in jail, they're out of town, and they're dead. We

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check it through a couple of times, keeps coming out

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the same way. Bryson's the only strong lead we got.

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Speaker 4: I got it Burglary Friday, Yes itir no cercage. The

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taber's out right now. Is there any message well, I

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guess about ten minutes. Yes, you're right, I'll tell him.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. You're sure that the m O and all

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these jobs matches Bryson?

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Speaker 6: Huh all the way. That's what's got me stumped. If

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the guy is pulling these jobs and he isn't down,

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somebody should have spotted him. He's changed stores, he's hitting.

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We've had steakouts on him for ten days. I've got

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every informant we know watching for Bryson and not a

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sound All right, tamer call came in for a minute ago.

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Jim said they'd call back. All the things.

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Speaker 8: Got this teletype of morning banist from Sam Quentin might

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be a line on Bryson.

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Speaker 6: Never see an answer on that mail watch. We asked

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him for what angles this?

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Speaker 5: Ben?

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Speaker 6: You remember the two partners Bryson's had on the Church burglaries,

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Miller and Henderson who they sent up Clint? Oh, yeah,

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you asked Clinton for a male watch on both of.

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Speaker 5: Them, did you?

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Speaker 6: I figured there was a chance Bryson might write to him.

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Looks like it got.

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Speaker 5: Us a lead man. What do they got there?

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Speaker 6: It's from the Wharton's office, and so it says, regarding

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your request on information concerning Charles Bryson. On August twenty second,

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Anthony Miller our number one seven two one six J

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received letter from person signing himself George Cameron. Contents of letters.

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Speaker 5: Suspicious Cameron, that mean meaning to you.

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Speaker 8: Just checked Bryson's package again down R and I. Cameron

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was his mother's maiden name Wesson Jesus as an alias

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before quite a few times.

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Speaker 6: I'm about to return address on the letter pen Los

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Angeles Main Post Office General de.

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Speaker 4: Levin Monday, ten am, we alerted the post office detail

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and arranged for a mail watch on all incoming letters

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through general delivery addressed to Charles Bryson, George Cameron or

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to another of the suspects known aliases. A week passed,

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no sign of Bryson, no trace of any of his

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correspondents through general delivery. Another week went by two more

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chainst our burglaries. Themo in each case was the same.

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It Matt's closely to Bryson's known working habits, but despite

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our precautions in the close check we maintained on his

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friends and his known hangouts, the suspects still remained unseen

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and unheard from. On September ninth, an informent of Ben's

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called us at the office and told us he thought

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he'd seen Bryson the night before. Yeah, Maddie, where was that?

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Yeah right, we'll check it, Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Bye.

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Speaker 5: Bryson's supposed to have.

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Speaker 6: Been seen there for a month and every boulevard last

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night drinking in a bar up there. It's pretty sure

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it was Bryson, he thinks. So yeah, that's the name

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of the place here. We can check with the bartender.

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See if you can identify Bryson's mugshot.

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Speaker 5: Right, I'll get my top CODO.

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Speaker 6: I get it, Burgery Friday, Yes, sir, when was that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Go ahead, all right, I got it, yes sir,

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right away.

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Speaker 6: Post office detail Bryson called.

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Speaker 4: For mail at the general delivery half an hour ago.

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Where is he there? Following to eighty Glenmore, Apartment six,

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he is.

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Speaker 3: Then you are listening to Dragnet authentic stories of your

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police force and action.

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Speaker 4: September ninth, Tuesday, eleven thirty am, the burglary suspect Charles

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Bryson was placed under surveillance at the apartment where he'd

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gone immediately after calling for his mail at the general

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delivery window in the main post office three teams of

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men were assigned the job of following Bryson alternately twenty

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four hours a day. We waited for a chance to

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get into his apartment and search it while it was empty,

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but it never occurred. Somebody was always there, either Bryson

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or a tall.

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Speaker 5: Dark haired woman, his common law White.

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Speaker 4: During the week that followed, the suspect was watched everywhere

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he went. He attempted no burglaries. On the eighth day,

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the stakeout was removed. Three nights later, two burglaries were committed.

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Both jobs bore the marks of the suspects m but

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we could improve a thing against him. We knew the

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setup we had was going nowhere. If we wanted to

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get Bryson red handed, if we wanted a case against

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him that did stand up in any court, we had

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to find a new approach.

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Speaker 7: Lee Jones came up with an idea. There's a job

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of stuff right here. The technical name for its antheese.

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Because you heard of it.

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Speaker 6: I think I've heard you mention the name. Ly, it's

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about luminous powder. Isn't it blows in the dark? O?

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Speaker 7: No, not exactly. Yeah, take a look at them. You

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see colorless odorless, no smell at.

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Speaker 5: All of it.

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Speaker 7: It's a cold top product. We call it crystalline hydrocobon.

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Now here's the point of the thing. When you take

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this anthra sine powder and rub it into the surface

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of an object, it's completely invisible to naked eye. You

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never know it's there. Hey, let me show you.

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Speaker 5: How about my coach sleeves.

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Speaker 7: That'll do. That's the powder all over it. Some on

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your hand too, numb it in like so h Now

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can you see or feel any of the powder where

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I put it on?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: Nothing there.

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Speaker 7: Now, let me switch on this lamp here. This is

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an ultra violet flight. Now watch when I turn it

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on your arm where we rub down the potter.

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Speaker 6: Look at your hands, Joe like it's lighting the.

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Speaker 5: Oh the coach sleeves too, it's glowing.

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Speaker 6: How about it?

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Speaker 5: Whill this stuff rub off?

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Speaker 7: We try it?

475
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Speaker 6: You're spreading it all over yourself everything you touch anything

476
00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:46,119
harmful in it?

477
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Speaker 7: Ly No, Now, watch when I turn the lamp fork

478
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you see gone, never even know you had it on.

479
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Only time it shows up is under ultra violet light.

480
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Speaker 5: Well does it stay on you in? Definitely?

481
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Speaker 7: Oh?

482
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Speaker 6: No.

483
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Speaker 7: The maximum is generally about uh, say, twenty four. You

484
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guarantee the work well all physics, Joe, under the proper conditions.

485
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,200
It's got to It's just when I tell my classes

486
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:08,640
up at the Academy Crook some chorus skills of one

487
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thing in common, they show up better when you put

488
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them under the right kind of lights.

489
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Speaker 4: When we left Lee Jones at the crime lab, we

490
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figured we had the potential solution in our hands, but

491
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there was still a lot to be done before we

492
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could go into any court of law with a case

493
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that we were positive was strong enough to convict Charles Bryson.

494
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Number one, we had to get into his apartment when

495
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it was unoccupied, find the set of burglary tools he

496
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was using, and doubt them thoroughly with Anthra scene.

497
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Speaker 5: The same for the clothes he worked in. Number two.

498
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We had to get Bryson into custody within twenty.

499
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Speaker 4: Four hours after he moved on a burglary job, or

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the anthwer scene wouldn't work. Number three, we had to

501
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find the loot taken in the burglary in his possession.

502
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Ten days passed before we got a chance to make good.

503
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In the first step, I'll get it, Joe, right. Burglary

504
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and Meryl. You got Jim Mo. Good finally I'll be

505
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right out. Good break Joe and Bryson.

506
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Speaker 5: What's it?

507
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Speaker 6: They holed him in on a traffic war and speed him.

508
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Looking him in at the main jail right now, Good

509
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chance to go through his apartment. What about his wife?

510
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She's still up there and she's only way to put

511
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up bail for him. Yeah, apartment's empty.

512
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Speaker 4: By the time Bryson was bailed out, Ben and I,

513
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along with Jim Tabor and Lee Jones, had combed through

514
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Bryson's apartment and finally uncovered a set of burglary tools

515
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and work clothes carefully hidden beneath the floorboards under a

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kitchen cabinet directly below the sink. Lee Jones contaminated each

517
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of the tools with the invisible anthracine powder, and also

518
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the work clothes. We checked the apartment for any possible

519
00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,519
loot taken in the burglaries, but we found nothing. We

520
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:41,960
put everything back exactly the way we found it, and

521
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then we left and went back to the office. We

522
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stood buy until four am, waiting for a call that

523
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had indicate that Bryson might be out on another burglary job.

524
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Speaker 5: Nothing happened.

525
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Speaker 4: The next night up until ten o'clock, it was the

526
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same routine. At a few minutes past ten, we got

527
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,799
a four to fifty nine call on a chain drug

528
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store out on Alvarado Street.

529
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Speaker 5: Lee Jilles had.

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Speaker 4: His portable ultraviolet light all ready to go. Ben and

531
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I picked him up at the crime lab and the

532
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three of us drove to the scene.

533
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Speaker 5: Of the burgery.

534
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Speaker 6: Straight back here, Lie, can I help you with the lights?

535
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,599
Speaker 7: I can handle it.

536
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 6: Things as the window they figure he got in safe

537
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stand in the corner.

538
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not too much of it left. You all set?

539
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Speaker 7: Lee, you got the extension cart for the life from arrow.

540
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Speaker 6: Yeah, right here, I'm just plugging it in. Yeah okay,

541
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:29,160
all said, all right, switch it out with it right? Well, yeah,

542
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,960
seems like it where he got in the winter there, Joe.

543
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Speaker 7: Look at that Anth the scene tracks all over, putt

544
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,400
impressions there, tool marks on the safe, left prints on

545
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,240
the floor, on the wall, No question, he left plenty

546
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of trail.

547
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Speaker 5: All right, let's get him.

548
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 4: Lee Jones put in a call to the crime lab

549
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in ordered the photographer out to take pictures at the

550
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,079
scene of the burgery. Lee and the photographer had stay

551
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at the scene to gather physical evidence and take pictures

552
00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:58,559
of the answer scene, prints and markings for presentation in court.

553
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Speaker 5: Ten fIF Jones.

554
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Speaker 4: Packed up the ultra violet lamp and Ben and I

555
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,480
took it along with us. We drove directly to Bryson's apartment.

556
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Nobody was there.

557
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 6: No nobody in the bedroom either. How about that?

558
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

559
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 5: I don't get it.

560
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,039
Speaker 6: Bryson's had plenty of time to get back here, over

561
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an hour. And what about his wife. The only time

562
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,480
we know she left was when she had to go

563
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,160
bail him out of that traffic. One doesn't look like

564
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,079
they pulled out, does it.

565
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Speaker 4: There's a closet full of clothes in there, a lot

566
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of their personal things around.

567
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, she looks like they were expecting to come back.

568
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,640
We might check with the apartment house manager. He could

569
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tell us if they gave notice to move. If let's

570
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:36,279
see here.

571
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:38,519
Speaker 5: What he got.

572
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 6: No, if you're on the desk, she says, Charlie, I'm sorry,

573
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,079
but I told you it just doesn't work out with us.

574
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,480
When you read this, I'll be on my way east.

575
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,559
I don't want to be mean with you. I just

576
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,839
think it'll work better if we forget each other. That's

577
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:58,000
thanks for everything, so long, signed Ruth. If she doesn't

578
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:06,480
like him much either, Wait a minute, what are you doing?

579
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,160
Police officers? Bryson like talk to you for a minute?

580
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,240
Oh I know, yeah, I remember. What do you want?

581
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,599
Speaker 5: Man? Do you want to plug in that light?

582
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:14,039
Speaker 6: Yeah?

583
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,319
Speaker 5: Outlet over here?

584
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 6: What is all listen? You said you wanted to talk

585
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,799
to me. What's it all about? You all?

586
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 5: Set? Ben?

587
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,559
Speaker 6: Just a minute? All right, okay, turn it on? What

588
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,279
are you doing? What are you trying to do to me?

589
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,440
You've done it all to yourself, mister. Let up like

590
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,519
a Christmas tree, Joe, it's all over him? Here, I

591
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,359
close your hands. What is there's? There's light going all

592
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,200
over them? What are you doing?

593
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,839
Speaker 5: It's a chemical, Bryson. I'm the same stuff you left

594
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:39,920
all over the drug store.

595
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 6: And I pack up?

596
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:40,839
Speaker 5: Ben.

597
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 6: Come on, let's go, Bryson. I don't understand what's this

598
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:45,400
whole thing all about?

599
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 9: You'll understand it. Here's a note for you. Oh I'm sure,

600
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,200
oh's said Jill.

601
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: Let's go, mister. I just I didn't know, mister tramp.

602
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,599
I guess I should have been smart about it.

603
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, sir, come on, how could I know? She said,

604
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,880
she was in love with me. I believe it. What

605
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,319
am I going to say when they asked me? All

606
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,039
our friends are all going to ask me, They'll say

607
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,720
what happened to rule? I'd say what happened this time?

608
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,920
Am I going to say? Happen this time? What are

609
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,039
you going to say to the jury?

610
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:23,519
Speaker 5: This time?

611
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Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names

612
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were changed to protect the innocent.

613
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,559
Speaker 3: On December tenth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

614
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eighty sixth, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.

615
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:57,519
In a moment the results of that trial, Charles Lang

616
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Bryson was tried and convicted on three counts first degree burglary.

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This is punishable by imprisonment in the state penitentiary for

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not less than five years. However, due to his previous

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convictions on this and other felon accounts, Bryson was judged

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an habitual criminal. He was sentenced to spend the rest

621
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of his natural life in the state penitentiary. You have

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just heard Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files.

623
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Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,

624
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Los Angeles Police Department.

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Speaker 2: Fatima Cigarettes best of all, Kingsize Cigarettes has brought your

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Dragnet transcribe from Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. If you're a longtime listener of the podcast.

628
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,359
The story may sound somewhat familiar. There are quite a

629
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,599
few points of similarity. There's a burglar who is caught

630
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:37,319
but found not guilty despite physical evidence. You have Lee

631
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,279
Jones coming up with a plan where light can be

632
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,680
used to reveal particles that the burglar collected. But on

633
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:52,119
the other hand, there are lots of things that are different.

634
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,559
In this episode. The burglar had accomplices that were convicted.

635
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,599
The burglar told a story sorry that got him off

636
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,400
the hook. The burglar in the Big Lamp was married.

637
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:09,960
Burglar in this story had a common law wife who

638
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,400
left him. As the concluding note to the episode, so

639
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:19,599
what's the nail? Are we getting the same story told twice?

640
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,319
Probably not. This is probably a case of the fact

641
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:29,519
that a lot of criminals are caught in very similar

642
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:33,160
manners in real life. And that's one of the big

643
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:38,640
challenges with Dragnet and part of what led to Web

644
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
getting burned out on the series. In the nineteen fifth

645
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,960
he actually wanted to call it quits after Dragnet had

646
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,400
released its one hundred TV episode. He felt, and I

647
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,839
think with some justification, that having done three hundred radio

648
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,559
episodes and having brought one hundred douds Dragnet TV episodes

649
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,920
to television, that he had covered every kind of case

650
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,079
that the police commonly handled. NBC took the principled philosophical

651
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,119
position that Dragnet should continue to run as long as

652
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,039
viewer continued to watch it, and Dragnet should only be

653
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,799
canceled at the point where it had become so tired

654
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,559
and worn out that people became tired of it, which

655
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it took until nineteen fifty nine, and more than two

656
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,839
hundred and fifty odd episodes have been produced, plus the

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three hundred over radio. And in some ways it may

658
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make more difference to the creative person who is doing

659
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,720
it than it would the casual viewer or listener. In

660
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the nineteen fifties, in this world without reruns, where everything

661
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,640
just went out once and that was considered to be

662
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the end of it, Hardly anybody was a lot going

663
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over and saying, hey, didn't they do a case like

664
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that about two years ago. But if you're the person

665
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who's the creative mind behind the series, the director, star,

666
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:17,559
and showrunner, like Jack Web, was that you somehow shifted

667
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from creating one of the most innovative programs where you

668
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:30,200
were constantly experimenting and finding new ways to do things,

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to doing shows that really feel like you've done them

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a hundred times before. But audiences continued to enjoy Dragnet

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for the most part until the final season, where creative

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exhaustion just kind of became apparent in the series, at

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which point it really did need to go away for

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a few years until coming back in the sixties with

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some fresh issues to a draft and some fresh things

676
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to say. Well, now we turn to listener comments and feedback,

677
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and we start with de Niece, who writes over on Patreon, Adam,

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I joined in March and I appreciate your work so

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much that I just increased my levels of support. Happy

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holidays to you and your family. Well, thank you very much.

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And Carolyn and Caral sent a lovely card along with

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their donation. This one was of a Bobcat Yellowstone National Park.

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I've got to get over to Yellowstone one of these days,

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but a beautiful card, and they write, thank you so

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much for what you do with old time radio. It

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brings back such memories. I remember my mother listening to

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soap operas on the radio. We wish you and your

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family the very best of the holiday season. Merry Christmas. Well,

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thank you so much. Appreciate that nice card. When do

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we have some comments regarding the Big Shop left and

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we start with Mechanics sixty six rights, you'd think was

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such a successful show like this, they could afford other

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actresses instead of having Virginia Gregg play every female role.

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Not saying she wasn't up to it, but it was

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obvious it was her. Well, I appreciate the comment. I

696
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don't think that the decision to have Virginia Gregg play

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so many parts was a matter of budget anymore than

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the decision to keep having her Butterfield and Stacy Harris

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back all the time was a matter of budget. There's

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a little bit of an artistic choice that's involved in

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this when you decide to do something that's got a

702
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bit of a rep company feel, and certainly over radio,

703
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,519
Dragnet does have that feel. You don't have many modern

704
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programs that do that quite a bit. The main one

705
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,480
that comes to mind, and at this point it's twenty

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five years old, is a Nero Wolf mystery. They had

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their main recurring cast for Neural Wolf, Archie Goodwin, Inspector Kramer,

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Fritz Saal Panzer, and a few other characters, and then

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they'd have about a dozen or so actors who would

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rotate in and play different parts murderers, suspects, victims, supporting characters, etc.

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Who were there for just a story situation. I was

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very common in the golden age of radio, particularly on

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the West Coast, where performers like Virginia Greg Peggy Weber,

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Stacy Harris, Wally Mayer, her Viagrant, Kathy Lewis, and performers

715
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like them filled the airwaves, often playing thousands of different parts.

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I don't think you hear quite that same level from

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New York, although there's certainly a lot of parts for

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Ralph Bell and Larry Haynes and Jan Minor. But they

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were the backbone of the radio industry and they got

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used a lot because they were consistently good at what

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they did. And it's and probably part of what made

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the radio industry work like that was that it was,

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particularly at the beginning, live and if you were going

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to have good live drama, you needed solid performers who

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could be trusted to get it right every time, so

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it's not a budget issue. And I would say in

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addition to that, Webb also just had people he liked

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to work with and who he could trust and rely upon,

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and those were the top of people that he chose

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to have involved in his production time after time. Harrison wrote,

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I would have loved to have seen this as a

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TV episode where Greg just showed up in every scene

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as every female character, kind of like a detective version

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of a rich little special. Harrison also right stragnat starring

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Virginia Greg and featuring Jack Webb as Joe Friday. She

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had to have had even more lunch to read than

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even barton Your Ball. I was thrown off by the

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in line too, but I suppose if you wanted to

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be generous, Friday could have meant that her husband would

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be by her side once he discovered the pain she

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was going through and give her the attention she needed.

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And I would certainly say that the line was not

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meant to come off the way that it did, which

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was why it was changed when it came to television.

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Over on YouTube, James writes, I like how this one

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kept the mystery alive until nearly the end. I couldn't

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help but wonder if the original suspect was using the

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disguise to unburden herself of the stolen merchandise after being

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questioned by Friday and Romero. As always, thank you for

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providing these and for your knowledgeable commentary. Thanks so much, James.

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And then Frankie just writes, good story. Well, thanks so much.

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Appreciate you taking the time to comment over there on YouTube.

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Well now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of

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the day, and I want to thank James, Patreon supporter

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join us back here tomorrow for yours truly Johnny Dollar, where.

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Speaker 10: You know it's going to take a lot of money

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to defend him, and with him and the Clink, she's

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the logic going to raise.

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Speaker 7: It with the diamonds, the real.

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Speaker 6: Diamond Huh, that's my guess. Very well, then I'll go

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over to the police headquarters right away, charge it with fraud,

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you know, because of the diamonds themselves, and.

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Speaker 11: See that she is held until she tells us where

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we can recover them. And you better get evidence of

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fraud first, the fact that she's substituted paced for the

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real diamonds and that duelry. Well, a lot of people

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do that, never wear the real stuff in public unless

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they have a lot of guards around.

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Speaker 6: Well, even so, no, Henley, you've got.

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Speaker 10: To prove that she's actually got rid of the real

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ones or tries to. You see, I don't think she's

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had a chance to yet.

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Speaker 6: Why not?

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Speaker 10: No, No, listen, I'm running up a nice fat item

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for on my expense account.

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Speaker 7: What kind of an item?

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Speaker 10: Well, so far it only amounts to one hundred and

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one hundred and fifty dollars what for fee to a

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private detective agency somebody at the Taylor twenty four hours

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a day.

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Speaker 6: In the hope of finding out what she's doing with

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the genuine stones.

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Speaker 10: More important, to find out how she'll try to dispose

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of them.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime,

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send your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net,

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