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Speaker 1: What's going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to the emergency that

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we kind of saw coming live stream. The Clippers just

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traded James Harden for Darius Garland and a second round pick.

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In what has been a very weird sixteen hours or

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whatever it's been. The James Harden era in Los Angeles

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is over. Yeah, we are now in the Darius Garland era.

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Are still the choir. Yeah, we got no in the chat.

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If you're listening to this pod, thank you for listening.

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If you'd like to catch us live so you can

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see our kind of confused and stunned reactions to this,

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find us at YouTube dot comlish at Clippers podcast. I

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will be putting this out as audio. Adam and Will

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are gonna hop on at some point. I think it

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was the best we could probably get for Harden too. Sorry,

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this is this is crazy. What a weird situation. And

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I don't mean weird and bad. I just mean I

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don't think any of us thought on Monday afternoon that

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we would get this situation. Someone's asking is it official?

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MS tweeted it. I know that doesn't make it official,

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so yeah, it's I feel like I'm bummed. I get

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why James Harden did this. I'm a little bummed because

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I guess I thought it would end like differently. I

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don't know how differently. I also, I don't blame uh

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James at all. Yeah, we we have a point guard.

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The Clippers think they have a point guard. Now, who's

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gonna be that cornerstone piece? Darius? Garland and Zoo are

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the two main guys on the books right now. Yeah, Sean,

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I'm saying this is a window opportunity for Harden and Garland,

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you know, two time All Star gets to be kind

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of the present in future, as they say. I like.

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I like this trade for both parties involved. I think

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it was crazy if you thought the Clippers were going

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to give up anything. John Cooperman first of all, John Cooperman, Hello,

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I haven't seen you in a minute. Yeah, Harden, they

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worked together on this, I don't there's been nothing like

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there's been no animosity from either side, right Like, it's

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not a it's not an ugly divorce. It seems like

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they really worked together to make this happen, right Like,

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we heard that Harden didn't want to play for the

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Pells or what was the other team that was the

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funniest part of the Timer article. He didn't want to

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play for the Pells or someone else like he It

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seems like a mutual split. John the Lerner asking did

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the trade happen? Yes, Shams tweeted out six minutes ago

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the Los Angeles Clippers are trading James Harden to the

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Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second round pick.

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Prolific swap of the star Point Guards. I'm hyped. Darius

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Garland seems cool. He does have pretty fucked up toes.

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He's had two toe injuries on each foot. One of

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them was turf toe, which, if you know anything about

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turf toe, has a way cuter name than what actually

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happens to you because turf toe sounds like a goddamn nightmare.

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And then he also has a sprained big toe. I'm

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assuming Adam's probably live on Clippers talk. I think he

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has more of the medical talk for y'all over there,

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and I think Will is going to join at some point.

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It is two toes. It is two toes. He has

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some injury stuff. That's where we're at. That's part of

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the reason one of the Clippers didn't have to give up

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a pick for this, I'm assuming right, Like Adam was

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talking really fun he was Adam, want to see what

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the physicals look like. So both teams are going to

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be pretty diligent on the physicals. Yeah, just a just

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a weird couple of days, right. I know people are

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excited that Harden is gone. They dislike the ISO ball

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and we're we're getting If you haven't dove into the

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pick and roll numbers for Darius Garland, they're comparable to

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James Harden. I'm not saying he's as good as James

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Harden at playing point guard, but doing the pick and

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roll specifically, Darius Garland averages more possessions per game as

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a pick and roll ball handler then James Harden. It's

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not by a lot. The turnover rate is pretty much

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the same, the points per possession is pretty much the same.

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of adjustments to do. Yes, there's gonna be based on

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the stats, nine fewer ISO possessions per game from our

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starting point guard. Harden averaged the most ten ISO possessions

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per game. Darius Garland literally averages I think one point three.

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So theoretically, for the people who wanted more ball movement.

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This helps facilitate that because we're removing nine ISO possessions

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per game from the equation. We're adding someone who's very

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good at the pick and roll, and Darius Garland can

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catch and shoot really well. I don't think Darius Garland

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is necessarily better at a lot of things then James Harden.

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but he is a better catch and shooter. So now

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the train was announced. In my head, this opens up

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a few more wrinkles for the Clippers because they have

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a more willing catch and shooter running the show while

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still being able to rely on the pick and roll.

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I'm really excited for me. We're gonna talk about the defense.

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the pick and roll. I think this is a really

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interesting time for Zoo, right. Zoo got to have a

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great mentor in James Harden. They talked about a post

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game a couple of times. They were you know, they

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would practice after practice on the pick and roll. Now

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Zoo is gonna have to do a lot more on

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his end for the pick and roll. I also think

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Zo's gonna maybe get more touches because I just don't

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think Darius Gollan is gonna high a usage rate as

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James Harden, So this opens up the lanes for more

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ball movement. Collins is playing so like the shooting is

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very real, which I love. Roger Rabbit is asking will

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he play tomorrow? Probably not. He's technically on the Cow's

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injury report, so he is hurt, which that sucks. He's

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actively injured. He hasn't played for let me see what

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Tomayer put out hyped on that second round pick, which

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is very funny. Yeah, where did it go? He's missed

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the last nine games. Darius Garland has missed the last

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nine games, so I would assume he's missing tomorrow. I don't.

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I think the NBA would be pissed off if he had,

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because he has an actual injury designation for the game tomorrow.

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Darius Garland does, so I don't think he's gonna be

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playing tomorrow. He's technically actually hurt for the clip for

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the Calves, so he I don't think he's gonna play tomorrow.

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There's obvious some defensive limitations here. He's a smaller guard.

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I'm not gonna pretend like that's not an issue. I'm

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interested to see what the starting back court looks like

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next year because I don't know how a Bradley Beal

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Darius Garlands starting back court looks. We'll cross that bridge

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when we get to it. For now, obviously, the biggest

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hurdles for this Clippers team with Darius Garland is going

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to be on the defensive end. The offensive end, I

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don't think we'll see after the initial growing pains period,

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I don't think we'll see a huge change in how

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the offense works. There's gonna be tweaks, There's gonna be

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just as much pick and roll, probably more to start off,

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just to get Darius Garland comfortable to running the pick

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and roll with Zoo in a game scenario, and then

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we'll go from there. Yeah, I'm excited the Clippers have

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a guy on the books now along with Zoo seven eight.

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It's like there's pieces there we have. Things are working.

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the scaffolding of the Clippers after this Choi era. That

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being said, I was James Harden's tenure for the Clippers

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changed a lot of people's minds. I don't think we

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saw a bunch of tweets about it today. There was

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a really good one that I want to find where

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it was like it, Yeah, he changed my mind right, Like,

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in terms of a regular season guy, there's few people

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I would want kind of leading the team then James Harden.

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He was an engine for this Clippers team. He was

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available for this Clippers team like fifty five to save

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the season against Detroit. It's yeah, man, it's a really

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weird loss. Like he did a lot for the Clippers.

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We had the trading camps, like there were good vibes. Yeah,

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Emil Harb said he shared that tweet or that quote

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from that dickhead from Dallas who went on the James

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Harden tirade, and he said, it's so funny to me

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that everyone outside the clippersphere is clowning James Harden because

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they don't like him. Meanwhile, every Clipper fan fully appreciates

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what he did for the franchise last two and a

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half years and understand why it's best to go separate ways.

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I don't think every fan appreciates what he did. Some

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people just hate James Harden. That's the way she goes.

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But I fall into the camp of people who has

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genuine appreciation for what Harden did over these two and

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a half years. It's very It's way different than when

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Paul George left. Right, maybe not having a podcast helped

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James Harden, but like, we saw him give a shit

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about this team. We saw him work after practice to

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make guys like Yannick better. He organized team things to

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do in the summer, right, like there was training camps

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at ASU and things like that. So the Clippers are

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losing a leader. I know. The common thing about the

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Clippers is who's the leader. I don't see a leader

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in that locker room. It was probably the guy who

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was organizing off season team workouts and working with young

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guys after practice. So there's a there's a locker room

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lost here, I think for sure, which is difficult to

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deal with. There is a just I mean personally, there's

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also like a that guy always wants to play and

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he's only gonna sit out if he physically can't move that.

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man would play whenever he possibly could. The playoffs were

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up and down. I'm not gonna sit here or pretend

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like that went as we all wanted it to go.

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There were some stinkers, absolutely, but you know that's that's

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the thing you have to deal with with James Harden

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as your number one or number two whatever, he was

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one and a half between between Kawhi. So as a fan,

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this is a weird loss. It's a bibblehead curse if

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some people have brought up. If you want to remain

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a Clipper and don't get a bibblehead hopefully Chris dnsdays.

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But I like the move. I like the move. I

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think it was gonna happen inevitably, just getting the fucking

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Apple receipt for shit that I didn't buy. I don't

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think the timing sucks like the team has been crushing it.

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I understand why people are feeling some type of way

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about the timing of it and so, but I think

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it was inevitable. Adam Osland, how the heck are you?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the new era?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I h I'm excited. I yeah, a little bit of.

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I felt better about it after last night, waking up

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this morning learning more about Darius Garland, his defensive potential.

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I think James Harden was a really good Clipper. I

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think he fulfilled his end of the bargain. He wanted

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to get paid wasn't gonna happen here. Clippers were able

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to accommodate him while taking care of themselves at the

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same time. And now it's really just up to the

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health of Darius Garland and considering it's not the same

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toe that he had surgery on. I feel decent about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, decent, I think is a great way to put it,

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because I'm kind of like, all right, like I think

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it'll be okay that Mexican Nara says. I feel like

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we should have gotten a first. I don't know, we

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weren't getting a first.

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Speaker 2: With ten years younger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I thought it was funny we got a second. Yeah,

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I was just kind of someone put a nice quote

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in here. Yeah, call me Joel's Harden was awesome for us.

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We can appreciate the time and not be salty. If

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you love something, set them free. I hope he wins

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this year with Cleveland fit. Like that's that's the thing

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that the exit between this and Paul George is obviously

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so different. There's one fewer podcasts in the mix and

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someone arrest early in the chat like, oh, does this

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make the Clippers look bad? They work together, Like this

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was Harden asking for you know, can I get another

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two for eighty? Clippers were like, well no, let's find

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you somewhere that you want to go before that happens, right, Like,

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this was an amicable split.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I said last night. I don't

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think there's gonna be a bad blood here. I also

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don't think the Clippers are going to be you know,

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pushed into doing something they don't want to. But if

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they can find something that works for both sides, for

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both parties, then that's fine. And this Clippers team is

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still going to be really good and has potential to

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continue to try to climb up the standings here. Now,

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if something changes and all of a sudden other guys

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want out and it turns into some big sell off,

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that would change things. But I as of right now,

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I'm just expecting this to be the one guy in,

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one guy out swap and see how quickly Darius Garlic

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can get up to speed and get back to playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one thing. LA Clippers film pointed this

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out and I think it's a good point where because

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of how the aprons are set up and all the

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new CBA stuff, it's really rare for a trade like

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this to be able to line up right like it's

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a straight one for one swap. It helps you know

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both teams don't feel weird about it financially and the

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caliber of play that each side is getting, like this

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is a rare trade, I think with how this new

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CBA works, and I think it almost fit too well

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to not happened once it was first reported.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was curious to see how each guy would

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be valued because I think there's a really interesting case

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for either side.

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Speaker 2: And I guess that's why it was almost just one

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for one and only one second because initially Chris Mannix

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had the report that the Cleveland Cavaliers were trying to

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get more out of the Clippers. I don't think that

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was going to happen with the first round pick or

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a pick swap. Yeah, And it's like, well, one guy

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is a longer contract and is younger, but it is

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more injury prone. The other guy's older and more liable.

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I think it's I think it's a fair swap. There's

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risk for both sides, the Clippers with furious Garland, it's

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a risk of can you stay hell healthy? And that

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contract does go past the summer twenty twenty seven. I

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did bring up earlier that well, it is expiring right

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the twenty seven to twenty eight season, so you know,

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if worst case scenario, it didn't work out, you might

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be able to get off it just because it's a

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one year expiring that last year and therefore your twenty

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twenty seven books. You might be able to find other

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ways to maneuver. And they still have enough for a

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max slot, at least one max slot in the summer

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of twenty twenty seven. So the hope is that Darius

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Garland becomes the player that he just was this past season,

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who played seventy five games. I think people are overdoing

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it a little bit with how much they're talking about

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how injured he's been, especially because different types of injuries

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a broken jaw, Like it hasn't just been you know,

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his toe issues going on for five or six years

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or anything like that. It's it's been one year of.

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Speaker 1: This, right Fardy cakes noticing that I didn't even change

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out on my work clothes. Yeah, I just got home

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when it happened. Also, thank you for consuming so much

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Clippers content that was like six hours ago. Yeah, people

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are asking if beal Leaves is Kawhi next. This is

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a funny trade a because it's so out of left field,

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but it's also like it's a win now ish and

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shore up the future trade, which I don't know if

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people really budgeted for, right, Like people thought the trade

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trades were either going to let's tear it all down,

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let's move CP three and Kobe Brown so we can

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convert the youth, right like there wasn't really a middle ground,

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and this trade is a very much like it could

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go either way.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think this is this is better than

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you know, Tray young la Ja Morant stuff. We talked

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about bringing one of these young guys, but there's risk

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with all of them, and there's blind spots in their game.

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And Darius Garland his risk is injury and he's undersized,

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but he works hard defensively and he's a good shooter

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and he's still young enough to overcome these injuries. With

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the Stows is twenty six. He just turned twenty six

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in January too, so oh damn, yeah, he just turned

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twenty six, So I think there's a lot to like

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about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there, and that's like seeing it reported first. Last

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night I was watching the game with Will and we

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were kind of like, oh, that's weird. I think I

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like that. Mostly it was just being stunned that that,

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you know, that was just going to happen. But the

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more that I look at the pick and roll numbers

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and stuff like that, it's like, Okay, I don't think

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the offense is going to take a huge step back.

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The defense obviously, that's gonna need to get figured out.

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I think this does change the Beal outlook for next year.

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I don't know how comfortable I feel with a Beal

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Darius Garland's starting backcourt defensively.

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Speaker 2: Beal's owed what five million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I feel like pretty good about it.

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I like that we have guys on the book. We

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have two main guys on the books now for twenty

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seven to twenty eight, which is Zoo and Darius Garland.

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That's the only main guys on the books and hopefully

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John Collins later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's probably you know, bird in the hand better

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than two in the bush type of thing with Wayne

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to see if you get a couple of these max

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contract guys in twenty twenty seven. Well, now you have

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one of your guys, assuming that this isn't something where

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they try to flip him in the near few or

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anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Bro, I just got back from work. We can't we

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can't do another trade on top of it.

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Speaker 2: Am gonna be wondering about the physical coming up. That's

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that's kind of a big deal. But I think he

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does check enough of the boxes. And it's not just

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I was talking about this a little bit earlier. It's

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not just the Clippers that are getting set up for

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twenty twenty seven. So there's a lot of competition that's

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going to be for guys who have been teams that

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are clearing their books and getting ready like this plan is.

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It's not that unique to the Clippers anymore. They may

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have been one of the first, but even the Sacramento

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Kings are trying to make sure their books are clean

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for twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Now we got a super chat from Stump saying Clippers

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getting younger is always a good thing. Welcome Garland. Yes,

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let's be excited. We have another super chat. This one's

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a little sadder from Clipper Nick about a Norm Harden

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coffee and CP three Jersey the last three years. Am

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I the problem? You are not the problem. Nick. My

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littlest nephew was here last year and we went to

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the Clippers Calves game, which was insane, and he bought

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a hard in Jersey. Thankfully it was fifty and yes,

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welcome Darius pit Bull saying Chuck Maker prefers Clippers over

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hanging out with dinosaur bones at LA Natural History Museum. Uh,

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it depends, people are saying. People are wondering this isn't

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a dumb done deal, but I think it's probably gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I think it's only not happening if you guys fail

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physicals at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. And the physicals, like

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you said, we're gonna be pretty interesting. I mean, it

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is basically one for one swap, but yeah, it's gonna

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be interesting. Oh god, the sports guru asked something, is

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it a dumb ass question? I'm getting a lot of

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congrats texts from non Clippers people, which feels weird. I

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also think that I think Cavs fans are kind of

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I've seen some consternation about this, which they can deal

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with it.

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Speaker 2: Over there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, people are asking if we move Kawhi, like, is

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is Zoo and Kawhi next? Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I do. I think it would be

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a similar situation where Kawhi would have to agree to

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want to be moved. I don't think they're going to

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blindside him. No, I don't that the Blake Griffin thing.

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Kawhi Leonards represents the first guy to really choose the

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Clippers to make them a destination franchise, and unless there's

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some god other offers coming their way for any more

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guys here, I wouldn't expect a lot more. But it

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really depends on how they feel about it, I guess,

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and judging off of last night, I know guys were surprised,

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but we'll see. I don't know. I don't want to

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look past anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like how many of us thought on Monday

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that we were gonna have Darius Garland for Harden straight up?

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So we don't know what the hell's coming. Robert Larr

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asking did hard to initiate this transaction or did the

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Clippers start it? I think it was a little of both.

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I think it was.

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Speaker 2: No, it was Harden, it was that's been about like

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three bits driven people. They said it was James Harden.

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The Clippers were surprised by it, asking out a couple

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of weeks ago. This was not their plan, but they

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had to adjust and they got something good out of it.

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Speaker 1: And they got something good out of it. And again

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I like that it's not ill will It wasn't like

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I guess our last reference for that could be different,

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William Updyke.

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Guys just basking in this Darius Garland trade. How are

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you feeling about it? Good?

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Speaker 2: Dian.

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Speaker 1: He never know which way these things are going to go.

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Speaker 4: When something seems so obvious, either it really is happening

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or it's a smoke screen for something else. But uh,

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I'm pretty pleased.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are now asking us if everyone else is

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going to get traded. We don't know. We didn't know

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this was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: Oh, sell High on the Kawhi All Star appearance.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kawhi is an All Star now, which is

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well deserved, but just kind of another like Whiplash part

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of the season. Yeah. I also like, I respect the

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front office for not for sticking to their plan of

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no old guys on the books making a bunch of money. Yeah, okay,

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we got Arth asking, so they didn't want to pay

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PG Norman. Now Harden, who will they pay for? Well,

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they're paying Darius Garland.

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Speaker 2: Jeez. So the guy they just brought in who's twenty

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six and making forty million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably gonna pay John Collins. Will who do

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you think the Clippers select with that second round pick?

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: The second round pick is so funny to me. Fuck it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they got a couple of second round picks bawling

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right now in Jordan Miller and Kobe Sanders, So.

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Speaker 1: That's very true. Will, what would you go with? What

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was your favorite Harden memory? Since we're out of the

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Harden era? Now?

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I don't know. I need more time to

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think about it. But just the way this entire season,

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how pivotal he wasn't turning this whole thing around, is

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like absolutely nuts. But it's I'll have to reflect some

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more on it to pick one specific one. But I mean,

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I it's a bummer because he's a guy. He's a

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guy that no matter what, like anytime any sort of

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trade or something happens, he's like the butt of the joke,

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but like, unless he's been on your franchise, I just

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don't think you understand like how available he is on

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a regular game to game basis and like how much

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he's contributing out there. This team this year would have

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been you know, completely screwed. Uh if he wasn't good,

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Like there's no chance of this trade happening if he

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has a bunk here and you know they're like that,

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the dominoes that affects the entire other league is crazy.

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So I'm gonna have to reflect more on like a

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specific game and moment. But uh, like I gotta be

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I gotta be real, even with the short tenure, truly

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one of my favorite Clippers, like one of my favorite

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to watch and like, outside of Kawhi, easily the best

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of this era.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think for a lot of people

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he's ahead of Paul George mostly which body of work aside.

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I think mostly has to do with the fact that

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Paul George's tenure ended really weird, with like a podcast

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and stuff like that. A lot of people saying fifty

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points against Detroit the snow angel some about out on

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Twitter when the whole team was rocking. The Nines or whatever.

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I feel like he's had like five different shoes come

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out since he's been a Clipper. But like that whole

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when it was like debuting the hard and nine and

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the whole team wore it like you saw. And I

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talked about this a little bit off top, like everyone

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talked about how the Clippers don't have a leader, and

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like who's leading this locker room? It was the guy

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organizing off season workouts and like team building stuff and

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after practice pick and roll practice. I loved so much

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of the off court stuff that he did because it was,

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like you said, I didn't know he was gonna do

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all that. I was kind of conditioned to not like

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00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,119
James Harden, and then when you see it, you're like, shit,

474
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,799
he cares.

475
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: The other thing that can't be overstated is like his

476
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:20,839
hand in Zoo's development, especially offensively, like Zoo never gets

477
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,720
to this level. Zoo is not you know. I mean,

478
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:25,599
I mean, like we know how, we know how good

479
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920
he is, and like his potential and everything, but like

480
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,079
I don't think he's like this garling around the league

481
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,359
that teams are offering like a first and a young

482
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,400
player for without James Harden, and that sort of chemistry,

483
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,519
and that's one of those things that I hope, like,

484
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,319
you know, I don't know if you guys have already

485
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:42,759
talked about Garland in the pick and roll, but I

486
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:44,400
hope that that's one of those things where they can

487
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,440
kind of like talk about, you know, sort of what

488
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,000
was effective and how that worked, and maybe they can

489
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,519
get some some one on one sort of practice stuff going,

490
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440
you know, outside of team workouts and stuff to sort

491
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,400
of build that chemistry.

492
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: Back up, Adam, your favorite hard memory.

493
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,079
Speaker 2: Probably probably Game four against Dallas where he hit like

494
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
four straight floaters to win that game after Paul George

495
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,279
ran out of steam. That was huge. The fifty point

496
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,440
game against Detroit was kind of turned the season around

497
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,680
last year and got them on the eighteen to three

498
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,519
run after just losing that game by twenty Phoenix the

499
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:30,920
night before. But yeah, five game like he hit fifty

500
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,559
five this year against Charlotte. I mean, he's he's a

501
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,400
really good clipper. He's an all time clipper. In a

502
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,319
very short period of time, I thought he more than

503
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,000
lived up to the expectations.

504
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:48,319
Speaker 1: Yes, someone in the chat is very anti John Collins,

505
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:53,039
which there's been some wild takes in the chats today. Well,

506
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,200
some guy said on Adams stream that he would rather

507
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,279
have Brook Lopez take threes than Zoo take hook shots.

508
00:31:59,480 --> 00:31:59,759
Speaker 4: What.

509
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't make any sense, all right, Mick Jones,

510
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,880
you're annoying, so you're getting put on time out. Yeah,

511
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,240
so the pick and roll stuff is like, we're not

512
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,000
I'm not saying that Darius Garland is the system or

513
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,680
a better point guard than James Harden when it comes

514
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,200
to the pick and roll. They're kind of comparable.

515
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: No, And I like, I don't know if you guys

516
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:23,039
talk about this.

517
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:23,279
Speaker 2: He has.

518
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: Chuck and I were talking about this last night, but

519
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,079
I mean, like for the Calves too, Like, this is

520
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,920
a great move if you're looking at the landscape of

521
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,519
the East and you know you don't have the Celtics

522
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,119
like in this their same regular tier of contention this

523
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,599
season obviously the same same deal with the Pacers. You know,

524
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,960
this is a win now move. This is a short

525
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,240
window move, no way around it. But like it does

526
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:51,200
really lift your lift your ceiling in a in a

527
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,559
conference that's you know, a little wider than the West,

528
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,440
especially given where the Clippers are at and the standings already.

529
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,279
Well said, it's.

530
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's a good it's it's a

531
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:08,400
good move. Yeah, it makes a yes, short term. Adam

532
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,839
Pittbull six on nine eight is asking can it Bob

533
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,039
Schmidt's take on including the second rounder, which is very funny.

534
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,359
But you talked with the the fear of the fro guys.

535
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Right yeah, uh, full scall with them later. Yeah. I

536
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,880
think he was a little bit concerned with the move

537
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,519
for the Cavs side, and I'm seeing a lot of

538
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,720
that right now. They're not sure how this is gonna

539
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,039
work out for them. I think there's question marks because

540
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,200
so does this mean they're given James Harden the extension

541
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:45,519
because he can't get it right now anyways, So if

542
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,960
they can't, they can't give it to him now. It's

543
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,480
a handshake deal and we'll just see how things go

544
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:55,680
the rest of the season and then they're number. Yeah,

545
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,079
this summer they'll revisit that. I like I I I

546
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,359
do think James Harden can make them better right now,

547
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,519
but it could take more time. I don't know if

548
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,759
it's going to be as much of a seamless transition.

549
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,760
Just because he is the system, he is your offense.

550
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,039
That changes things, especially when you have Donovan Mitchell next

551
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,960
to him. I'm sure they'll figure it out in the

552
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Eastern Conference, Like they do have a good chance. They're

553
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,559
like two games back on the two seed right now,

554
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,639
so they could easily shoot up the Eastern Conference quickly here.

555
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,800
And he's also very good with big men, as we know.

556
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to watch more of his highlights. I

557
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,840
haven't watched a lot of Caps games obviously, but the

558
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,480
stats look to be comparable.

559
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, the efficient, like the efficiency is pretty similar. Like

560
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:52,000
just giving it a cursory glance, obviously, you know different

561
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,559
availabilities so far with Garland. Both toes now cooked, seemingly.

562
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,199
Speaker 1: Cooked, you're going fully cooked.

563
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,559
Speaker 4: Well, I have surgery on the left one and now

564
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:03,719
it's the right one.

565
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Yes, that is what the situation is.

566
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,519
Speaker 4: Just get bigger shoes man.

567
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: He's like I've been wearing. He's like, I think I'm

568
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,519
a seven. They're like, Darius, get him, get him some

569
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:18,440
steel toes.

570
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,119
Speaker 2: For people who are like, ah, why do we take

571
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:27,039
on that risk? You're not getting Garland for James Harden

572
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,239
if he was playing eighty two games a season, Like

573
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,039
there's there's some downside. There has to be, or else

574
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:36,280
they weren't giving him up. Yeah, of course, but he's

575
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,360
twenty six and it's at least a different toe than

576
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,400
one he had surgery on.

577
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: And look at what Yoshi Balboa is saying. He's played

578
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,280
about eighty percent of the games in his career.

579
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just played seventy five last season when they

580
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,239
won sixty four games. That one of their best seasons ever.

581
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: And he's been out for nine games. He's gonna miss tomorrow.

582
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,719
People are asking if he's gonna play against the Clip tomorrow.

583
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
That will not happen. He's on the injury report for

584
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,880
an actual injury. Is also why I don't think it'll happen.

585
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if Harden will either, if they get

586
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,360
done with the physicals in time for that to happen.

587
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like from a coaching perspective, would you want

588
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,119
their first appearance to be the day at like no practice, Like,

589
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,840
just just go play an NBA game with these guys, don't?

590
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,639
I don't know if the runways that short? Yeah, Okay,

591
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,400
this person, The more I sit with it, the more

592
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,679
I like it. Garland is definitely a small step down

593
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,559
this year, but as a future asset, we definitely want

594
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,320
the deal yeah, and on the defensive side of the ball,

595
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:50,159
he's undersized. He tries at least, so like, yeah, okay,

596
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,880
no one knows the timeline kind of unclear, right, Adam,

597
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,119
did you find anything with that? And you're you've been

598
00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:57,920
working like all day?

599
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me text Lawrence Frank.

600
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:05,199
Speaker 4: These conversations have been going on for weeks. I mean

601
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,400
initially that Garland injury, like when I was looking at

602
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,039
some calves stuff and they were thinking about ten ten days.

603
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,280
That happened on the nineteenth, So we're not too far

604
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,800
outside of that. But I wonder if you're like maybe

605
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,920
keeping them on ice or I don't know.

606
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,639
Speaker 2: They were treating it like it wasn't that big of

607
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:27,639
a deal. Yeah, Cleveland's side unrelated to the toe that

608
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:33,079
had surgery on it last year. So they also Bob

609
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,400
Schmidt told me that, you know, they're not that forthright

610
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,360
about injuries in Cleveland, Like, well, it turns out no

611
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,559
fan base feels like their team is.

612
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:48,679
Speaker 1: Except for the Warriors. Did they put out like didn't

613
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:50,320
they For a while they were putting out like weirdly

614
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,280
detailed breakdowns of why Steph was out. I might be

615
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:53,880
wrong about that.

616
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,519
Speaker 2: Was this after kdie did his achilles.

617
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, People for the most part

618
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,119
are pretty hype. Yeah. Himothy's pointing out that we have

619
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,239
yet another guy who played for the Clippers whose father

620
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,920
played for the Clippers, which is pretty funny. Someone saying

621
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,000
they hope James doesn't play because he might drop fifty

622
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,400
on us.

623
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,519
Speaker 4: That'd be kind of funny, very real possibility.

624
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: And they've already played their game in Cleveland this year,

625
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,840
So if James doesn't play tomorrow, they're not catching him leus.

626
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,760
They're in the finals.

627
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: Is there any cool nicknames for Garland? He's a clip now,

628
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,400
so he deserves one. That's actually a great question.

629
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 4: I saw in his basketball reference DG the PG, but

630
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:41,360
that's not that good.

631
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,039
Speaker 1: I do not like that DG the PG.

632
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Work anything PG related right now with this team.

633
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kolby White's next.

634
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could still end up getting one of these

635
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,480
guys that uh we were talking about initially to back

636
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:08,320
up James Harden. Very recently, Kobe White called sex did

637
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
one of these type of guys. It's possible, But a

638
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,920
lot of guys, a lot of teams I think, are

639
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,400
after Kobe White. That's gonna be tough.

640
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's funny too. Is Like, what I like about

641
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,119
this trade especially is it doesn't hamstring any other moves.

642
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,880
So one for one so it's like we didn't lose Bogie,

643
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,360
we didn't lose anything else that kind of be pieced

644
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,440
together for Kobe White or I think I want Collin sext.

645
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 4: But but there's still gotta be doesn't There still gotta

646
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,000
be like a three out one in to make to

647
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,719
convert the two ways, or like a two for one

648
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,840
and cut a guy.

649
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,559
Speaker 2: Oh this, They're still gonna have to do something with

650
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,639
CP three.

651
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,599
Speaker 1: Ask him to come back. No one wants CP three,

652
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:05,519
which is the issue. It's problem the deadlines in like

653
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,679
nine hours and there hasn't been a single like rumor

654
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,960
of anyone really wanting.

655
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 4: With the Timberwolves poke round like on amn.

656
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: Don't need somebody. They're going to do that big trade

657
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:26,480
for Caesar Quabos is hyped from the second round pick.

658
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,480
Oh yeah, there could be a three team trade. Bulls

659
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,599
get Yakum, Clippers get Kobe White, Bogey CP three and

660
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:36,079
Kobe Brown ship somewhere else.

661
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,519
Speaker 2: Sure, yacup contract is interesting.

662
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,639
Speaker 1: How much money does he make A lot? Really?

663
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like twenty seven million over the next three seasons.

664
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 4: What they want. They traded to get him.

665
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like they had to retain them.

666
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, they gave up assets to get him out of

667
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:58,320
San Antonio.

668
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 1: Jesus three years eighty four million dollars.

669
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: And at the time people were even like, you know,

670
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:10,760
people were like even hopeful. People were like skeptical, but like,

671
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,159
you can't give up assets and then like not retain

672
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,360
the guy.

673
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Got so much money. You ever complain about Zubats again?

674
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,440
If anyone watching this complains about Avitzazu.

675
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: Just wait like two seconds, yeah, just wait two seconds.

676
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,639
Somebody in the chat will complain and.

677
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: Look at Yaka Pertl's contract and just like just take

678
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,800
a breath. Could be a lot worse.

679
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,599
Speaker 4: But we can kill San is.

680
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: Our perfect backup. Oh yeah, your guys, Simon's is gone.

681
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: Until recently. Wasn't Marvin Bagley making more than a Viza

682
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,360
Zubas until Zubas's contract extension kicked in? Like, yeah, I

683
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,400
have no idea why people think we need to trade Zubas.

684
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,079
It's crazy.

685
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're also we're not getting Ja Morant, which is great.

686
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,400
A lot of people were saying that they wanted jaw

687
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,320
but I only wanted John Morana f it was with

688
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,440
twenty twenty six first round pick attached to it. We

689
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:10,920
got a this year first round pick for Jahn Moran.

690
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,199
That would have been great. But outside of that, that's

691
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,679
a nightmare. I like this a lot more than John Morant.

692
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, taking on that jaw contract, I want Memphis pick

694
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,199
and Utah's pick give us off everything.

695
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might want two first round picks to take

696
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,119
on the Ja Morant contract. I wonder how much they

697
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:40,119
try to get off of it, people from just realizing

698
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,119
how little zoobots just making that puts in his contract.

699
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: I put makes that twenty dollars. Nico, my cousin is here,

700
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,039
great name said, we got a shorten the list of

701
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,320
who gets a babe head moving forward. I'm actually on

702
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,039
board with this.

703
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,559
Speaker 4: But how would you not give James ahead?

704
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: It would be something else, It'd be fake beard? Do

705
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,159
you do fake beard? Giveaway?

706
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: Well? Whence Hardens is like February twenty second, his bobble

707
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,480
that night.

708
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's gonna happen with those?

709
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: Those might still give him out end up in the ocean?

710
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: Do they?

711
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,559
Speaker 4: It's a good question.

712
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Haiti's terrible renegade saying we're not done making

713
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,360
moves as it seems.

714
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 4: Well, we're definitely not because we still gotta get spots

715
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,760
for Miller and Sanders. So yeah, at the at the

716
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,440
bare minimum, we gotta do that.

717
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: If they can't move CP three, they just have to

718
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,239
wave him, right, yeah, to open up a slot.

719
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,639
Speaker 5: Like there's I thought there was a weird thing with

720
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,639
waving him because of saying, like, isn't there a minimum

721
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:58,679
threshold of guys under actual contract you need?

722
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: Or am I making that up? Because I thought there

723
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,400
was an issue with CP three's Teith Smith tweeted about this.

724
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,800
Who knows a lot about how like there's kind of

725
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,119
some wonkiness with just waving CP three.

726
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: He might be right, but I don't.

727
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:23,639
Speaker 1: I can't remember it fully damn. So now we're we're

728
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:26,599
gonna do a probably larger debrief about Hardened as a whole.

729
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,000
Uh when we have a sit down pod, do we

730
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:36,039
think the Clippers win tomorrow? Like? How like? Now? How

731
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,159
earth like? Do we think they play better because it's

732
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:39,559
more settled or like.

733
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,079
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be the same starting lineup right? I

734
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:50,599
would Yeah, Yeah, I think Bay win.

735
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not get out rebounded on the offensive boards

736
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,599
by one guy, and let's not lose second chance points

737
00:44:58,679 --> 00:44:59,920
by one hundred.

738
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: I was glad that they didn't quit on the game

739
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,280
yesterday because they probably should have lost by thirty five

740
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,440
after the first quarter. They could have just gave up.

741
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,199
Speaker 1: Dude, Will and I were watching it. Will, I don't

742
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,239
know about you. After that hardened news, I was just like, yeah,

743
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,360
like the game sort of ceased. Yeah, it felt like

744
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,119
when a flash bang goes off in a movie and

745
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:29,119
it's just like it's just quiet, and like I was like, Okay.

746
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: It was really overwhelming, like there's too much happening right now.

747
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,360
The game definitely faded into the background.

748
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Yes, the Clippers do have like some tough games coming up.

749
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,800
They have the Calves tomorrow, the King's on Friday, and

750
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,199
then before the break it's a three and four. It's

751
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,840
at the Wolves, and then a back to back against

752
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,039
the Rockets on the tenth and the eleventh, which is

753
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,840
kind of a rough way to go on not break,

754
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:57,599
like we might be living a little bit.

755
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: We went through the schedule at the beginning of this season,

756
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,880
we were like, this Rocket is back to back, could

757
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,679
be a problem circle this.

758
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: And it probably will be all right. People's takes are

759
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:19,239
coming in. Yeah, like the health works out or it doesn't.

760
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,639
You can still get off the contract at the end

761
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,440
of it if it's not too terrible. People want Kawhi traded.

762
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:33,039
Speaker 2: I just think for the player that he is, for

763
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,000
what you're giving up in James Harden, I think you

764
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,840
have to take that risk because if it goes well

765
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,039
with Darius Garland, like it's a two time All Star

766
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,960
and he's young. It's just really rare to have an

767
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,360
opportunity for a guy like that.

768
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Someone just tweeted, Shit, he's not on the report. Oh really, Wow,

769
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,760
Derek Jones Junior is playing tomorrow.

770
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: I guess we are winning every game.

771
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Looks like we're going undefeated. For the Way Out Boys,

772
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,000
Thank you for doing some producer work for us.

773
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: Terry, I'm not seeing that.

774
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,679
Speaker 1: Go to Tellbarr's twitter.

775
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,119
Speaker 2: Tobar had it.

776
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not even on the injury report.

777
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm I'm looking at the Clippers PR. I

778
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,159
could be I'm just looking at the Clippers PR and

779
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:33,519
I haven't seen anything for it yet.

780
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: They don't know how to run their Twitter account to

781
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,800
Mayer is saying in Surprising News Derek Jones Junior is

782
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,519
no longer on the Clippers injury report and is available

783
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,239
to play tomorrow versus the Cats.

784
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, i'll help. Chris has done a lot. I think

785
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,920
he's part of the reason he's been struggling so much

786
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,079
with his shot as of late. Could be uh, he's

787
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,760
starting to tire out from playing way more minutes since

788
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,840
DJ's been out again.

789
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:58,119
Speaker 1: What's the starting lineup look like? Is Derek Like, when

790
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,920
Derek Jones is back in fully healthy, is he relegated

791
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,079
to the bench now because Collins has been so good?

792
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it was before, right.

793
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well did he get hurt during the ramp up

794
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:13,199
period from his other knee injury, you know what I mean?

795
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,639
Speaker 2: Like he came back for like four games, five games,

796
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:24,039
and then Boston got him again. Fuckers they getting too

797
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,039
though A right, You're not getting new from us because

798
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:27,400
of that?

799
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,159
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So Derek Jones Junior off the bench. And

800
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,679
this because if you add Derek Jones Junior kind of

801
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,639
into the bigger picture for the next couple of years, right,

802
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:37,960
because he's on a ten million dollar deal He's which

803
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,039
I think it's a contract year or his next year

804
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:40,840
is contract year.

805
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: Next year. He's not expiring this year.

806
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. So like, if you're looking at the year after

807
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,360
next year, if you get Derek Jones Junior and John

808
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,960
Collins resigned, you got Darius Garland, Derek Jones Junior, John

809
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:57,920
Collins aviats zoo bots on the books. Not a bad

810
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,239
I'm not saying those are world beaters, but for you're

811
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,920
like a little foundation you're building. That's not bad.

812
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,079
Speaker 4: That plus two max spots potentially, I mean.

813
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: It's back. Yeah, it's back to being high level, competitive

814
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,840
team that has flexibility, that can still go out there

815
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,800
and make another big move when the opportunity arises.

816
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,639
Speaker 1: Someone said streaming during the Pro Bowl, big risk here, guys,

817
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,639
great bit, Thank you, Clipper nick.

818
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:28,119
Speaker 2: Uh Is that on?

819
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:34,079
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, when the is that shit? Yeah? I

820
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,480
mean hype for Dereck Jones Junior be back man. There's

821
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,199
been so many games where we've all three said, like

822
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,119
there's a game where you missed DJ. We need a

823
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:48,280
guy who can defend it, who can shoot. Oh is it?

824
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,079
Is it a team option for Dereck Jones Jr.

825
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: I mean there's no way they wouldn't pick it up. Ye.

826
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: No, that's just not It's just a straight up. Yeah,

827
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:03,559
ten mill? Damn. What does his next contract look like?

828
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: Probably just bumped up to the new mid level like

829
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:11,639
fifteen million.

830
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, four for sixty How old is he.

831
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: Twenty eight or twenty nine? Yeah?

832
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Oh maybe a mine. He's twenty eight this year. Yeah,

833
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,119
so signing a thirty year old to a three year

834
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,159
mid level contract doesn't feel bad?

835
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: What good shape, guys.

836
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: I feel like we're in good shape long term. I'm like,

837
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,679
I'm ten. First of all, it's always ten tones down. Uh,

838
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,639
but the like they stuck with the plan. It actually

839
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:52,920
seems to be coming to fruition at somewhat like I

840
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:57,440
like it. Pitbull asking what's worse the Pro Bowl or

841
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,320
the All Star Game?

842
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: The Pro Bowl? Pro guys is a flag football game

843
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,440
now and.

844
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: Guys opt out. Justin Fields was asked if he wanted

845
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,920
to play in the Pro Bowl this year.

846
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,199
Speaker 2: He said, no, that's how should do her?

847
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:13,199
Speaker 1: Got in literally yes.

848
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:14,199
Speaker 2: Like.

849
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,559
Speaker 1: It's it's the Pro Bowl by far. Yeah, Farty Cakes

850
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:26,519
is chugging the kool aid. It's gonna be I'm absolutely

851
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,559
chugging the kool Aid. I feel I'm bummed that Harden's God,

852
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,800
I'm not celebrating the fact that Harden is gone. But

853
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,440
I'm just like, I like it. I like that the

854
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,719
moves are being manifested.

855
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,679
Speaker 4: So where like, does this lock us into nine to ten?

856
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: That's a great question, I think so just purely from

857
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,119
a like there's a figuring it out period with a

858
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,639
new point guard, and we just can't It's not like

859
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:59,760
we've stacked wins, right, like, probably nine to ten Adam

860
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:01,079
like to end the season.

861
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's more likely. But I think

862
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,559
there's a there's a shot to get in the seven

863
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:11,239
eight matchup.

864
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, shot to get into the matchup for sure.

865
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I guess it depends too on

866
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:20,400
what the Warriors do if they end up doing anything

867
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:22,599
to the deadline.

868
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: Get in the seven eight when it become the seventh seed,

869
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,559
take on the two seed. Hope it's not Denver. That's

870
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:32,440
that's my plan.

871
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that point. More Bogey minutes now. I

872
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,239
don't know, man, you think at any minutes last night.

873
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: The game before people that was crazy. It was like,

874
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,000
I don't know how he cracks the rotation after Jordan

875
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,119
Miller and Kobe Sanders have been doing this, Like.

876
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he should no disrespect to Bogie, but it's like

877
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:01,400
it's it's time for the young guys against us.

878
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: He could still be moved, yes, and he probably should

879
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:04,800
be moved.

880
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,199
Speaker 4: I guess if the Warriors don't make a move, we

881
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:11,360
could get into seven eight, three and a half games

882
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,159
right now.

883
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,639
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Kesper Fit asking which would you take

884
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,400
Dereck Joe Junior's second for Ben Mathrin or Derek Jone Jr.

885
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,079
Two pick swaps and Kobe Brown for Kobe White the

886
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:29,519
first one no pick swaps for Kobe White.

887
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. I like both guys, but I

888
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,360
like Ben Mathern a lot.

889
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do like Kobe White as a prospect, but

890
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,360
not for Yeah, we're.

891
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,559
Speaker 4: Dj away to the sixth seventh seed, let's go.

892
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,519
Speaker 1: I like that. I like the energy. The energy is good.

893
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 4: If we have six, that'd be absolutely insane, impossible.

894
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: It's it feels in part we like six and a

895
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:58,440
half games.

896
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:03,119
Speaker 2: Out let's schedule gets too hard. They'd have to make

897
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,000
another sixteen and three run.

898
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,159
Speaker 1: We're six and a half games out of six seven. Yeah,

899
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:13,599
I've been games out of five though, if you really

900
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:19,159
want to dream, We've been asked us a couple of

901
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,039
times we're playing Cleveland tomorrow, our traded player is eligible.

902
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:23,880
I don't think so.

903
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,679
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, would depend on how quickly they can

904
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,639
do the physicals and stuff, but I sincerely doubt it.

905
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,519
Speaker 1: And again, like I said, I don't think you want

906
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:38,199
them playing with no practice, Like see.

907
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: What you're at.

908
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 1: I don't level check. We could vibe check.

909
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,039
Speaker 2: I think the Clippers would stall the trade before knowing

910
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:50,599
they have to go up against James Harden tomorrow after

911
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:57,480
just trading him, like you drag your nobody. Nobody wants

912
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,320
to take on a guy that was just moved while

913
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,199
you're still with that out your side of the trade.

914
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this question. How much time is fair

915
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,119
for Garland to get comfortable? So what after he comes back,

916
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:10,599
let's let's call it. I don't know, he comes back

917
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:15,280
in a week or something. Five games you're getting, well,

918
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,320
there's so many in March, Like he's gonna probably get

919
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,119
comfortable pretty quick. But I think you gotta get how

920
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,280
many times how many games did it take John Collins

921
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,000
to get comfortable?

922
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:29,519
Speaker 2: Guys he signed through twenty twenty eight, how many games?

923
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,599
How much time do you give him to get comfortable?

924
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,599
Speaker 1: Like for good season, for this season.

925
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: What what is this? I just DoD he's a long

926
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,760
term piece. It looks like and.

927
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: I think it's However, many games that John Collins took

928
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,480
to get comfortable. John Collins had to figure out he's

929
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,039
on a new team. It doesn't matter if that makes sense.

930
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you gonna do if he doesn't get

931
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,280
comfortable in the first month? What are you gonna do?

932
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:57,719
Trade deadline is passed? He's long term on this team.

933
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, did we do a taxi vaccine s claus because

934
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,400
that might actually be really helpful should things not go

935
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,079
the Clippers way. H the takesy Bacsi's clause is key.

936
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,159
Someone saying James Harden you can play till he's forty.

937
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Probably Clippers got worse than the short term.

938
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 4: I don't know how much I would agree with that.

939
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: How much worse though not like drastically.

940
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,639
Speaker 2: I don't think it's unfair to be like, oh, they

941
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,239
didn't go thirteen three the next sixteen games, so that

942
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,199
means they lost the trade because they were able to

943
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,719
do that with James hard And it's like, well, the

944
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,960
schedule is getting tougher moving forward, so they were never

945
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:41,480
going to be able to replicate going sixteen to three

946
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:43,880
over the next nineteen games or thirteen three over the

947
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,039
next sixteen games. It doesn't mean they necessarily got worse.

948
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:49,400
It means the schedule got tougher.

949
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well you're saying there it's a bit of

950
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,880
a step down short term, Yeah, I think so.

951
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it could be more of a step

952
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,360
down on games without Kawhi games with Kawhi.

953
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: I think Garland's a really easy fit, honestly.

954
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you call Nev Junior asking what's Garland's main

955
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,159
issue is Is it really his toes or is he

956
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,840
just scrawny and gets injured. Well, he does have a

957
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,000
toe injury right now, and he's just undersized. So the

958
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,000
defense drop the feet picks. We got to investigate, do

959
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:30,039
one drop any feet picks? I mean his issue is

960
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:32,480
that he's an undersized guard, so defense is harder, and

961
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:37,039
that's not a new issue, right, Like, that's his largest

962
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,559
issue on defense. He tries. As we've talked about.

963
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 2: Mark Madina is saying there's some optimism he'll be ready

964
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,239
to play with the Clippers after the All Star break.

965
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mark Medina was posting weird crypto wins

966
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:58,239
the other week so what do we think of DG

967
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,280
as a passer? The assist turned over is not that good,

968
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:05,360
and he's shorter without a lob threat, he's really good

969
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,840
in the pick and roll. If you look at the

970
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,760
pick and roll numbers, which I'll just put in the chat,

971
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,480
they're like, genuinely they're comparable to James Harden's. I don't know, Well,

972
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,000
how do you do you think the lob threat thing

973
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:19,079
is that big of an issue?

974
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: Uh?

975
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:24,679
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

976
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,079
Speaker 4: What do you mean he has a lob threat?

977
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,199
Speaker 1: Right? I think they're saying because it's not like he

978
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,840
has multiple lob threats. Yeah, I think we're gonna be okay.

979
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,039
I'm not sure I understand the question. I think the

980
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:41,760
ratio are you talking about raw as a turnover or

981
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,840
like a specific segment of thing, because when we looked

982
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,039
at the pick and roll numbers, he was actually his

983
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:50,400
assistant turnover ratio was slightly better than James's. Yeah, his

984
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,880
turnover frequency is lower.

985
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: Wait, let me double check that it's better than two

986
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,880
to one, right, it's all seven to three.

987
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 4: Are we calling that not that good?

988
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,079
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're assistant turnover ratio king on the floor.

989
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,159
Speaker 4: Obviously, but if you're hitting. If you know, if you're

990
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:13,599
above the floor, you're not bad.

991
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:18,159
Speaker 1: I mean not that good.

992
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 4: Is anything below that? What's John Collins is?

993
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: God not good. Let me actually just look that up.

994
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: His assist a turnover ratio is slightly better than James Harden's.

995
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 4: Is that's what?

996
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, John Collins is.

997
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: Although I do appreciate you bringing up that stack because

998
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,000
it is the most important and looking at a guard.

999
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:49,079
Speaker 1: John Collins is a negative for assist to turnover ratio.

1000
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,360
He averages one assist, he averages one point three turnovers.

1001
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: Let's go.

1002
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,599
Speaker 2: It was worse to start the year. I think it

1003
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:59,119
was the reverse two to one.

1004
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Tyler was like, I think you can dribble

1005
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,239
and he cannot dribble.

1006
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,199
Speaker 4: You're a basketball player, you can dribble, right.

1007
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: Clipper Nick saying Zoo's gonna turn into mobiley. He can

1008
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,960
feel the potential. Sure, I like the optimism.

1009
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,119
Speaker 4: So he's gonna turn into super Zoo. There's no comparison.

1010
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna grow his hair out. Is Garland hurt right now? Yes,

1011
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:28,559
he has a toe injury. What is the official injury? Actually,

1012
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:33,639
just so people stop there, because.

1013
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: It says great toe there's big toe.

1014
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 4: It is his big toe, but they call it a

1015
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,440
great toe in one of the injury reports. I saw

1016
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,280
some I have it.

1017
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: That's so funny, right, great toe sprain. Is that a

1018
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,000
Cleveland thing? Do they not? Do they call him great

1019
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,480
toes instead?

1020
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,559
Speaker 4: Extra toe?

1021
01:00:54,159 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: Oh maybe that's his problem. He has an extra toe off.

1022
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,000
Someone asked about his wiki feet. Y'all look up his

1023
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,039
wiki feet. I'm not looking up his wiki feet. You're

1024
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:12,519
a freak if you're dropping wiki free references. Now, we

1025
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,440
just kind of wait for the next trade to happen.

1026
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,760
Not on this live of course, because that could take hours.

1027
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll stay until it happens.

1028
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: There's some other stuff to go down.

1029
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:25,719
Speaker 4: Well, like we said, at a bare minimum, they need

1030
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,039
to open up a roster spot.

1031
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: So clipper Nick Harden breaks my heart. We should be

1032
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,639
talking a longevity of the double Bigs right now, Adam,

1033
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,960
what's the most recent numbers on the Double Bigs? I

1034
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,039
know you have the stats, which I do. We do appreciate.

1035
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,639
Speaker 4: Justin Russo has also been pretty on it.

1036
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,639
Speaker 2: I think they went minus six yesterday, but in a

1037
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:53,320
game where you were down by twenty three and everybody

1038
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,159
was getting beat up. That's really not that bad.

1039
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,639
Speaker 4: That's your best two man lineup.

1040
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: Ooh, we got Joelle. I think just put this in

1041
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,679
the chat, said, look up Garland's status stats when Donovan

1042
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:12,440
Mitchell doesn't play. So here's the ten games, the last

1043
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,719
ten games that Darius Garland has played without Donovan Mitchell

1044
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,719
is screen sharing and all. That's kind of like, shit,

1045
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:29,119
we got forty points, twenty five points. I mean these

1046
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:34,199
aren't pretty solid numbers. Oh yeah, twenty nine thirty five

1047
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:42,880
averag he's averaging twenty seven and eight assists, shooting at

1048
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,119
a forty percent clip two point eight numbers.

1049
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,679
Speaker 2: There's a reason he's a two time All Star.

1050
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 4: I mean, he's really good done.

1051
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: I also think, yeah, that's a big deal because him

1052
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,960
and Donovan Mitchell not exactly just known for being, you know,

1053
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,880
ballhawk defenders and dogs out there defensively. It was kind

1054
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,320
of a smaller backcourt. Not that Chris Dunne is big,

1055
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,960
but he can play big with his defense out there.

1056
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,599
I think that's that's a pretty good pairing.

1057
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a grower on d.

1058
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 4: That's Chris Dun's like christ is a grower.

1059
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, man, a pregame segment talking about defensive guys

1060
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:42,440
called Growers and showers would be so fu okay, fanat

1061
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,239
art saying this is a good trade. You guys don't

1062
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,199
see it now, but you'll we've all said it's a

1063
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,920
good trade. I think they're talking about the chat, is

1064
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,760
what I'm assuming, because I came out here talking about

1065
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,039
how pretty if time was. If you're also, if you're

1066
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,079
listening to this later, I'm gonna put We're gonna put

1067
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:59,519
this out as an audio pod and you want to

1068
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,719
find us live, It's YouTube dot colls at Clippers podcast.

1069
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,639
It's fun.

1070
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:08,679
Speaker 4: People are saying, oh, were you as gobsmacked as Charles

1071
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:10,920
and I when this, like when the Manni's report first

1072
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,159
kind of broke broke the air yesterday.

1073
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was right before third quarter, right his.

1074
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 4: Halftime, right before the hats.

1075
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:24,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was shocking also because it

1076
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:26,559
came for Mannix, so I wasn't sure how much to

1077
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:29,239
put into it at first, but he got it. He

1078
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,480
was right. Apparently they were in advanced talks to get

1079
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,800
things done less than twenty four hours later. Uh. But honestly,

1080
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,840
Garland's one of those guys that I've been looking at

1081
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,800
for a while because Cleveland Cavalier fans with his contract

1082
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:48,159
with Donovan Mitchell and them having a smaller backcourt. That's

1083
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,239
been talked about as one of their fatal flaws on

1084
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,599
the team, like can you have both these guys together

1085
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:55,639
in the back court and make it work? Now, their

1086
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:59,079
front court was so good, and Evan Mobley's, you know,

1087
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,599
a generation athlete at that size, he can make up

1088
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,519
for a lot, but there was always talk of whether

1089
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,920
or not this is Dame and CJ McCollum, and it

1090
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,679
can only get you so far having a smaller backcourt

1091
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:14,440
with two guys that aren't elite defenders. So I've always

1092
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,079
wondered if they were going to make a move, and

1093
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,239
I think before last season there was a lot of

1094
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,280
talk of moving Darius Garland, but then they won sixty

1095
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,960
four games, top seed the Eastern Conference, and then he

1096
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,800
gets hurt right at the end and only plays three

1097
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,159
games against Indiana in the second round. So it's kind

1098
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:34,880
of been on my mind for a while, but I

1099
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,760
think it's it's definitely worth the risk, even with the injuries,

1100
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:41,719
when you're only giving up a guy that's not in

1101
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,079
your long term plans. Anyways, in James Harden for somebody

1102
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,320
that if he can stay healthy, can be good in

1103
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,760
the short term and the long term.

1104
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,679
Speaker 1: The Manics thing is funny because when that's how that too,

1105
01:05:55,679 --> 01:06:00,519
I was like, this feels like bullshit. Sorry, Chris, Yeah no, no,

1106
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,119
not just respecting Mannix, but it's just not the guy

1107
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:08,960
you would think to break that. Watch Carlum game breakdowns,

1108
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,440
and the guy's very good giving effort on defense, but limited.

1109
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,119
Jvg's a help for that too, right, Like we got

1110
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:17,840
Van Gundy who can help him be in the right spot.

1111
01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:20,239
I'll not say he's going to turn into Chris the

1112
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:25,079
Show or Done or the Grower done, but like it's

1113
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:29,159
just good to have that background, right, Like at least

1114
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,960
we have someone on the staff who is shown to

1115
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,079
be good at coaching defense.

1116
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: But like his defensive effort, like that's not really the issue.

1117
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,480
Like he he's just small. He's small, he's in the

1118
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:45,719
right position, he does the right things, he doesn't get

1119
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,360
caught ball washing, like he's he's solid. All of his

1120
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,840
defensive metrics are really good. They've been down this year,

1121
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:57,840
but they have been top shelf the last couple of seasons.

1122
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,719
Terius Garland on the perimeter.

1123
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:03,119
Speaker 4: Oh I also one thing we haven't talked about yet.

1124
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:05,280
Is like I also like that we're getting a young

1125
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,280
guy who's had good coaching too, Like I'm an Atkinson fan,

1126
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,199
like I you know, I think that he's been you know,

1127
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:15,000
he's been in winning scenarios and he's like he's he's

1128
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,280
been with good coaches before. So it's not like he's

1129
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,480
gonna have some culture shock in some new thing. Like

1130
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,880
it's not a guy coming from a like a losing

1131
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,440
franchise or someone who already has like sort of a

1132
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,719
reputation for uncoachability.

1133
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:32,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a shits and a gun charges.

1134
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 4: Charge. I don't know that there's charges or sorry, I

1135
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:38,760
thought there were charges.

1136
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,679
Speaker 1: We got the youth, we got the energy. Yeah, Like

1137
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,159
it's it feels good. That point about Atkinson is great.

1138
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,519
I think most Clippers fans were bummed when he left

1139
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:52,440
the staff because didn't he go He left to go

1140
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,760
to Golden State before he became a head coach obviously

1141
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,639
basically for like kind of a role that they thought

1142
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,920
was like coach and waiting for Golden State because he

1143
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,599
was like an assistant coach with a weirder, like a

1144
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,159
heavier title, and then he went to Cleveland. So yeah, good,

1145
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:10,559
good coaching fedigree for sure.

1146
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, after he was like ousted by the nuts for

1147
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,519
turning that organization.

1148
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, I was like he got

1149
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:23,000
down pretty derby there for like, yeah, for trying to

1150
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,119
win basketball games.

1151
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't he make dlo An All Star? I think

1152
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,800
didn't he get an All Star?

1153
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: Not?

1154
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam, when you got up your.

1155
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,039
Speaker 2: Sleeves, do you guys want to see one of these

1156
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:40,359
defensive charts that I spoke over Darius Garland? This is

1157
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:47,680
just last season, Like he's he's good, he's just small. Uh,

1158
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:50,760
But you have a beats to Zoobots behind him, you

1159
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,840
have Chris Donne next to him, like they can they

1160
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,600
can make it work. I think that's realistic. I don't

1161
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,399
think they're gonna have some major drop off defensively going

1162
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,720
from James hard to Darius Garland, who I think is

1163
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,520
objectively a better defender overall. But Harden is a better

1164
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,000
post defender because of his size. But how often are

1165
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:10,600
we seeing that?

1166
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: Right? That's like the one thing teams want to avoid

1167
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,760
from James Harden on defensive They managed to avoid it.

1168
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,439
This is funny. As a big boxing fan, it's always

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funny to see Chris mannis in the basketball.

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Speaker 2: That is fair.

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Speaker 1: Someone saying we should trade Zoo to get younger don't

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know about that. Who are we trading. We're trading Zoo

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for a baby, then that's the only way we're really

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getting younger.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Ozen bringing out the charts. You know when you get

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when you get chart Adam or Zapruder Adam, things are happening,

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things are in motion.

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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a false narrative, and I

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didn't expect it would be this good defensively either, But

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you look at a lot of the advanced stuff. He's

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more than solid. It's just a slighter frame. It's not

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Trey Young. Trey Young is a guy who's small and

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doesn't give effort on that end and doesn't have good

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defensive principles. This is not that.

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Speaker 1: Someone asking how long is Garland's contract? He is on

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the books until through twenty seven twenty eight, So he's

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off the books or extended after twenty seven eight, and

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if he's not good, then we can move on. All right,

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We're geting a bunch of trades you for picks and

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play on It takes, so we should probably wind this down. Music,

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any other final I think we might do an episode

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on Thursday or something, but just Adam will any final

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thoughts on the weird thirty six hours. We've all had

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bit or sweet.

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Speaker 4: Overall really good, but it will be sad that that

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James is no longer seeing nothing clippers, you know.

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Speaker 2: Fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to tell my little nephew about it.

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I'm kind of a bummed, to be honest, Adam.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you trace the trade going back to

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how they got James, what they gave up a twenty

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twenty eight first round pick and a twenty twenty nine

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pick swap with Philadelphia and Roco and but toom like

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turning all that into a twenty six year old two

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time All Star at the guard position, and granted has

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some risk on with the injury stuff, but that's pretty

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darn good asset management, I would say. Overall, especially having

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to pivot when it wasn't their idea to move James

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to end up with Darius Garland here feels like a win.

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Hopefully you can stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: Well said, it is like for an unexpected trade, I

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01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:50,840
think it. I don't. Yeah, it could have been a

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,319
lot worse if you don't like Lawrence Frank, I don't

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really understand, Like it's hard to defend Lawrence Frank being

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,439
bad after this move, you know what I'm saying. Like,

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even if you don't like Laurence Frank, you probably also

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don't like James Harden, so like he helped you out.

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I'm feeling pretty good. We're gonna go out on this comment.

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Thank you, DP Music and Vinyl Zoo is amazing. The

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slander Itsu is crazy awesome. We'll be back with a

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full non live episode on Thursday probably. Thank you for

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hanging out in the stream. We definitely appreciate it. Well,

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where are people who are listening? Where can they drop

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any reviews? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you listen to this on audio, uh,

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you can leave a little review over on Apple Podcasts

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or Spotify. But you missed out on catching this live,

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which you could have done over at YouTube dot com.

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That's at Clipper's podcast. Subscribe hit the little bell for

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01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:47,479
notifications so you know when we're doing stuff like this,

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because Clipper is still not done ahead of the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if something significant happens, will go live again tonight,

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significant being the keyword. Thank you for hanging out. Hope

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everyone has a good rest of your night. Welcome Darius Garland,

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thank you James Harden and as always, let's go clips.