Speaker 1: What's going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to the emergency that
we kind of saw coming live stream. The Clippers just
traded James Harden for Darius Garland and a second round pick.
In what has been a very weird sixteen hours or
whatever it's been. The James Harden era in Los Angeles
is over. Yeah, we are now in the Darius Garland era.
Are still the choir. Yeah, we got no in the chat.
If you're listening to this pod, thank you for listening.
If you'd like to catch us live so you can
see our kind of confused and stunned reactions to this,
find us at YouTube dot comlish at Clippers podcast. I
will be putting this out as audio. Adam and Will
are gonna hop on at some point. I think it
was the best we could probably get for Harden too. Sorry,
this is this is crazy. What a weird situation. And
I don't mean weird and bad. I just mean I
don't think any of us thought on Monday afternoon that
we would get this situation. Someone's asking is it official?
MS tweeted it. I know that doesn't make it official,
so yeah, it's I feel like I'm bummed. I get
why James Harden did this. I'm a little bummed because
I guess I thought it would end like differently. I
don't know how differently. I also, I don't blame uh
James at all. Yeah, we we have a point guard.
The Clippers think they have a point guard. Now, who's
gonna be that cornerstone piece? Darius? Garland and Zoo are
the two main guys on the books right now. Yeah, Sean,
I'm saying this is a window opportunity for Harden and Garland,
you know, two time All Star gets to be kind
of the present in future, as they say. I like.
I like this trade for both parties involved. I think
it was crazy if you thought the Clippers were going
to give up anything. John Cooperman first of all, John Cooperman, Hello,
I haven't seen you in a minute. Yeah, Harden, they
worked together on this, I don't there's been nothing like
there's been no animosity from either side, right Like, it's
not a it's not an ugly divorce. It seems like
they really worked together to make this happen, right Like,
we heard that Harden didn't want to play for the
Pells or what was the other team that was the
funniest part of the Timer article. He didn't want to
play for the Pells or someone else like he It
seems like a mutual split. John the Lerner asking did
the trade happen? Yes, Shams tweeted out six minutes ago
the Los Angeles Clippers are trading James Harden to the
Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second round pick.
Prolific swap of the star Point Guards. I'm hyped. Darius
Garland seems cool. He does have pretty fucked up toes.
He's had two toe injuries on each foot. One of
them was turf toe, which, if you know anything about
turf toe, has a way cuter name than what actually
happens to you because turf toe sounds like a goddamn nightmare.
And then he also has a sprained big toe. I'm
assuming Adam's probably live on Clippers talk. I think he
has more of the medical talk for y'all over there,
and I think Will is going to join at some point.
It is two toes. It is two toes. He has
some injury stuff. That's where we're at. That's part of
the reason one of the Clippers didn't have to give up
a pick for this, I'm assuming right, Like Adam was
talking really fun he was Adam, want to see what
the physicals look like. So both teams are going to
be pretty diligent on the physicals. Yeah, just a just
a weird couple of days, right. I know people are
excited that Harden is gone. They dislike the ISO ball
and we're we're getting If you haven't dove into the
pick and roll numbers for Darius Garland, they're comparable to
James Harden. I'm not saying he's as good as James
Harden at playing point guard, but doing the pick and
roll specifically, Darius Garland averages more possessions per game as
a pick and roll ball handler then James Harden. It's
not by a lot. The turnover rate is pretty much
the same, the points per possession is pretty much the same.
From an offensive perspective, the Clippers don't have a bunch
of adjustments to do. Yes, there's gonna be based on
the stats, nine fewer ISO possessions per game from our
starting point guard. Harden averaged the most ten ISO possessions
per game. Darius Garland literally averages I think one point three.
So theoretically, for the people who wanted more ball movement.
This helps facilitate that because we're removing nine ISO possessions
per game from the equation. We're adding someone who's very
good at the pick and roll, and Darius Garland can
catch and shoot really well. I don't think Darius Garland
is necessarily better at a lot of things then James Harden.
I don't mean this as a disrespect to Darius Garland,
but he is a better catch and shooter. So now
I think, and again, I'm speaking what seven minutes after
the train was announced. In my head, this opens up
a few more wrinkles for the Clippers because they have
a more willing catch and shooter running the show while
still being able to rely on the pick and roll.
I'm really excited for me. We're gonna talk about the defense.
We'll talk about the defense, for sure. I'm excited about
the pick and roll. I think this is a really
interesting time for Zoo, right. Zoo got to have a
great mentor in James Harden. They talked about a post
game a couple of times. They were you know, they
would practice after practice on the pick and roll. Now
Zoo is gonna have to do a lot more on
his end for the pick and roll. I also think
Zo's gonna maybe get more touches because I just don't
think Darius Gollan is gonna high a usage rate as
James Harden, So this opens up the lanes for more
ball movement. Collins is playing so like the shooting is
very real, which I love. Roger Rabbit is asking will
he play tomorrow? Probably not. He's technically on the Cow's
injury report, so he is hurt, which that sucks. He's
actively injured. He hasn't played for let me see what
Tomayer put out hyped on that second round pick, which
is very funny. Yeah, where did it go? He's missed
the last nine games. Darius Garland has missed the last
nine games, so I would assume he's missing tomorrow. I don't.
I think the NBA would be pissed off if he had,
because he has an actual injury designation for the game tomorrow.
Darius Garland does, so I don't think he's gonna be
playing tomorrow. He's technically actually hurt for the clip for
the Calves, so he I don't think he's gonna play tomorrow.
There's obvious some defensive limitations here. He's a smaller guard.
I'm not gonna pretend like that's not an issue. I'm
interested to see what the starting back court looks like
next year because I don't know how a Bradley Beal
Darius Garlands starting back court looks. We'll cross that bridge
when we get to it. For now, obviously, the biggest
hurdles for this Clippers team with Darius Garland is going
to be on the defensive end. The offensive end, I
don't think we'll see after the initial growing pains period,
I don't think we'll see a huge change in how
the offense works. There's gonna be tweaks, There's gonna be
just as much pick and roll, probably more to start off,
just to get Darius Garland comfortable to running the pick
and roll with Zoo in a game scenario, and then
we'll go from there. Yeah, I'm excited the Clippers have
a guy on the books now along with Zoo seven eight.
It's like there's pieces there we have. Things are working.
You had John Collins to that mix, and I like
the scaffolding of the Clippers after this Choi era. That
being said, I was James Harden's tenure for the Clippers
changed a lot of people's minds. I don't think we
saw a bunch of tweets about it today. There was
a really good one that I want to find where
it was like it, Yeah, he changed my mind right, Like,
in terms of a regular season guy, there's few people
I would want kind of leading the team then James Harden.
He was an engine for this Clippers team. He was
available for this Clippers team like fifty five to save
the season against Detroit. It's yeah, man, it's a really
weird loss. Like he did a lot for the Clippers.
We had the trading camps, like there were good vibes. Yeah,
Emil Harb said he shared that tweet or that quote
from that dickhead from Dallas who went on the James
Harden tirade, and he said, it's so funny to me
that everyone outside the clippersphere is clowning James Harden because
they don't like him. Meanwhile, every Clipper fan fully appreciates
what he did for the franchise last two and a
half years and understand why it's best to go separate ways.
I don't think every fan appreciates what he did. Some
people just hate James Harden. That's the way she goes.
But I fall into the camp of people who has
genuine appreciation for what Harden did over these two and
a half years. It's very It's way different than when
Paul George left. Right, maybe not having a podcast helped
James Harden, but like, we saw him give a shit
about this team. We saw him work after practice to
make guys like Yannick better. He organized team things to
do in the summer, right, like there was training camps
at ASU and things like that. So the Clippers are
losing a leader. I know. The common thing about the
Clippers is who's the leader. I don't see a leader
in that locker room. It was probably the guy who
was organizing off season team workouts and working with young
guys after practice. So there's a there's a locker room
lost here, I think for sure, which is difficult to
deal with. There is a just I mean personally, there's
also like a that guy always wants to play and
he's only gonna sit out if he physically can't move that.
If you're a Clippers fan, you gotta appreciate, right, the
man would play whenever he possibly could. The playoffs were
up and down. I'm not gonna sit here or pretend
like that went as we all wanted it to go.
There were some stinkers, absolutely, but you know that's that's
the thing you have to deal with with James Harden
as your number one or number two whatever, he was
one and a half between between Kawhi. So as a fan,
this is a weird loss. It's a bibblehead curse if
some people have brought up. If you want to remain
a Clipper and don't get a bibblehead hopefully Chris dnsdays.
But I like the move. I like the move. I
think it was gonna happen inevitably, just getting the fucking
Apple receipt for shit that I didn't buy. I don't
think the timing sucks like the team has been crushing it.
I understand why people are feeling some type of way
about the timing of it and so, but I think
it was inevitable. Adam Osland, how the heck are you?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the new era?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I h I'm excited. I yeah, a little bit of.
I felt better about it after last night, waking up
this morning learning more about Darius Garland, his defensive potential.
I think James Harden was a really good Clipper. I
think he fulfilled his end of the bargain. He wanted
to get paid wasn't gonna happen here. Clippers were able
to accommodate him while taking care of themselves at the
same time. And now it's really just up to the
health of Darius Garland and considering it's not the same
toe that he had surgery on. I feel decent about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, decent, I think is a great way to put it,
because I'm kind of like, all right, like I think
it'll be okay that Mexican Nara says. I feel like
we should have gotten a first. I don't know, we
weren't getting a first.
Speaker 2: With ten years younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I thought it was funny we got a second. Yeah,
I was just kind of someone put a nice quote
in here. Yeah, call me Joel's Harden was awesome for us.
We can appreciate the time and not be salty. If
you love something, set them free. I hope he wins
this year with Cleveland fit. Like that's that's the thing
that the exit between this and Paul George is obviously
so different. There's one fewer podcasts in the mix and
someone arrest early in the chat like, oh, does this
make the Clippers look bad? They work together, Like this
was Harden asking for you know, can I get another
two for eighty? Clippers were like, well no, let's find
you somewhere that you want to go before that happens, right, Like,
this was an amicable split.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I said last night. I don't
think there's gonna be a bad blood here. I also
don't think the Clippers are going to be you know,
pushed into doing something they don't want to. But if
they can find something that works for both sides, for
both parties, then that's fine. And this Clippers team is
still going to be really good and has potential to
continue to try to climb up the standings here. Now,
if something changes and all of a sudden other guys
want out and it turns into some big sell off,
that would change things. But I as of right now,
I'm just expecting this to be the one guy in,
one guy out swap and see how quickly Darius Garlic
can get up to speed and get back to playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one thing. LA Clippers film pointed this
out and I think it's a good point where because
of how the aprons are set up and all the
new CBA stuff, it's really rare for a trade like
this to be able to line up right like it's
a straight one for one swap. It helps you know
both teams don't feel weird about it financially and the
caliber of play that each side is getting, like this
is a rare trade, I think with how this new
CBA works, and I think it almost fit too well
to not happened once it was first reported.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was curious to see how each guy would
be valued because I think there's a really interesting case
for either side.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's why it was almost just one
for one and only one second because initially Chris Mannix
had the report that the Cleveland Cavaliers were trying to
get more out of the Clippers. I don't think that
was going to happen with the first round pick or
a pick swap. Yeah, And it's like, well, one guy
is a longer contract and is younger, but it is
more injury prone. The other guy's older and more liable.
I think it's I think it's a fair swap. There's
risk for both sides, the Clippers with furious Garland, it's
a risk of can you stay hell healthy? And that
contract does go past the summer twenty twenty seven. I
did bring up earlier that well, it is expiring right
the twenty seven to twenty eight season, so you know,
if worst case scenario, it didn't work out, you might
be able to get off it just because it's a
one year expiring that last year and therefore your twenty
twenty seven books. You might be able to find other
ways to maneuver. And they still have enough for a
max slot, at least one max slot in the summer
of twenty twenty seven. So the hope is that Darius
Garland becomes the player that he just was this past season,
who played seventy five games. I think people are overdoing
it a little bit with how much they're talking about
how injured he's been, especially because different types of injuries
a broken jaw, Like it hasn't just been you know,
his toe issues going on for five or six years
or anything like that. It's it's been one year of.
Speaker 1: This, right Fardy cakes noticing that I didn't even change
out on my work clothes. Yeah, I just got home
when it happened. Also, thank you for consuming so much
Clippers content that was like six hours ago. Yeah, people
are asking if beal Leaves is Kawhi next. This is
a funny trade a because it's so out of left field,
but it's also like it's a win now ish and
shore up the future trade, which I don't know if
people really budgeted for, right, Like people thought the trade
trades were either going to let's tear it all down,
let's move CP three and Kobe Brown so we can
convert the youth, right like there wasn't really a middle ground,
and this trade is a very much like it could
go either way.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think this is this is better than
you know, Tray young la Ja Morant stuff. We talked
about bringing one of these young guys, but there's risk
with all of them, and there's blind spots in their game.
And Darius Garland his risk is injury and he's undersized,
but he works hard defensively and he's a good shooter
and he's still young enough to overcome these injuries. With
the Stows is twenty six. He just turned twenty six
in January too, so oh damn, yeah, he just turned
twenty six, So I think there's a lot to like
about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, there, and that's like seeing it reported first. Last
night I was watching the game with Will and we
were kind of like, oh, that's weird. I think I
like that. Mostly it was just being stunned that that,
you know, that was just going to happen. But the
more that I look at the pick and roll numbers
and stuff like that, it's like, Okay, I don't think
the offense is going to take a huge step back.
The defense obviously, that's gonna need to get figured out.
I think this does change the Beal outlook for next year.
I don't know how comfortable I feel with a Beal
Darius Garland's starting backcourt defensively.
Speaker 2: Beal's owed what five million dollars?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I feel like pretty good about it.
I like that we have guys on the book. We
have two main guys on the books now for twenty
seven to twenty eight, which is Zoo and Darius Garland.
That's the only main guys on the books and hopefully
John Collins later.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's probably you know, bird in the hand better
than two in the bush type of thing with Wayne
to see if you get a couple of these max
contract guys in twenty twenty seven. Well, now you have
one of your guys, assuming that this isn't something where
they try to flip him in the near few or
anything like that.
Speaker 1: Bro, I just got back from work. We can't we
can't do another trade on top of it.
Speaker 2: Am gonna be wondering about the physical coming up. That's
that's kind of a big deal. But I think he
does check enough of the boxes. And it's not just
I was talking about this a little bit earlier. It's
not just the Clippers that are getting set up for
twenty twenty seven. So there's a lot of competition that's
going to be for guys who have been teams that
are clearing their books and getting ready like this plan is.
It's not that unique to the Clippers anymore. They may
have been one of the first, but even the Sacramento
Kings are trying to make sure their books are clean
for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Now we got a super chat from Stump saying Clippers
getting younger is always a good thing. Welcome Garland. Yes,
let's be excited. We have another super chat. This one's
a little sadder from Clipper Nick about a Norm Harden
coffee and CP three Jersey the last three years. Am
I the problem? You are not the problem. Nick. My
littlest nephew was here last year and we went to
the Clippers Calves game, which was insane, and he bought
a hard in Jersey. Thankfully it was fifty and yes,
welcome Darius pit Bull saying Chuck Maker prefers Clippers over
hanging out with dinosaur bones at LA Natural History Museum. Uh,
it depends, people are saying. People are wondering this isn't
a dumb done deal, but I think it's probably gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I think it's only not happening if you guys fail
physicals at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. And the physicals, like
you said, we're gonna be pretty interesting. I mean, it
is basically one for one swap, but yeah, it's gonna
be interesting. Oh god, the sports guru asked something, is
it a dumb ass question? I'm getting a lot of
congrats texts from non Clippers people, which feels weird. I
also think that I think Cavs fans are kind of
I've seen some consternation about this, which they can deal
with it.
Speaker 2: Over there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, people are asking if we move Kawhi, like, is
is Zoo and Kawhi next? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think I do. I think it would be
a similar situation where Kawhi would have to agree to
want to be moved. I don't think they're going to
blindside him. No, I don't that the Blake Griffin thing.
Kawhi Leonards represents the first guy to really choose the
Clippers to make them a destination franchise, and unless there's
some god other offers coming their way for any more
guys here, I wouldn't expect a lot more. But it
really depends on how they feel about it, I guess,
and judging off of last night, I know guys were surprised,
but we'll see. I don't know. I don't want to
look past anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like how many of us thought on Monday
that we were gonna have Darius Garland for Harden straight up?
So we don't know what the hell's coming. Robert Larr
asking did hard to initiate this transaction or did the
Clippers start it? I think it was a little of both.
I think it was.
Speaker 2: No, it was Harden, it was that's been about like
three bits driven people. They said it was James Harden.
The Clippers were surprised by it, asking out a couple
of weeks ago. This was not their plan, but they
had to adjust and they got something good out of it.
Speaker 1: And they got something good out of it. And again
I like that it's not ill will It wasn't like
I guess our last reference for that could be different,
William Updyke.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Guys just basking in this Darius Garland trade. How are
you feeling about it? Good?
Speaker 2: Dian.
Speaker 1: He never know which way these things are going to go.
Speaker 4: When something seems so obvious, either it really is happening
or it's a smoke screen for something else. But uh,
I'm pretty pleased.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are now asking us if everyone else is
going to get traded. We don't know. We didn't know
this was going to happen.
Speaker 4: Oh, sell High on the Kawhi All Star appearance.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kawhi is an All Star now, which is
well deserved, but just kind of another like Whiplash part
of the season. Yeah. I also like, I respect the
front office for not for sticking to their plan of
no old guys on the books making a bunch of money. Yeah, okay,
we got Arth asking, so they didn't want to pay
PG Norman. Now Harden, who will they pay for? Well,
they're paying Darius Garland.
Speaker 2: Jeez. So the guy they just brought in who's twenty
six and making forty million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably gonna pay John Collins. Will who do
you think the Clippers select with that second round pick?
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: The second round pick is so funny to me. Fuck it.
Speaker 2: Hey, they got a couple of second round picks bawling
right now in Jordan Miller and Kobe Sanders, So.
Speaker 1: That's very true. Will, what would you go with? What
was your favorite Harden memory? Since we're out of the
Harden era? Now?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I don't know. I need more time to
think about it. But just the way this entire season,
how pivotal he wasn't turning this whole thing around, is
like absolutely nuts. But it's I'll have to reflect some
more on it to pick one specific one. But I mean,
I it's a bummer because he's a guy. He's a
guy that no matter what, like anytime any sort of
trade or something happens, he's like the butt of the joke,
but like, unless he's been on your franchise, I just
don't think you understand like how available he is on
a regular game to game basis and like how much
he's contributing out there. This team this year would have
been you know, completely screwed. Uh if he wasn't good,
Like there's no chance of this trade happening if he
has a bunk here and you know they're like that,
the dominoes that affects the entire other league is crazy.
So I'm gonna have to reflect more on like a
specific game and moment. But uh, like I gotta be
I gotta be real, even with the short tenure, truly
one of my favorite Clippers, like one of my favorite
to watch and like, outside of Kawhi, easily the best
of this era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think for a lot of people
he's ahead of Paul George mostly which body of work aside.
I think mostly has to do with the fact that
Paul George's tenure ended really weird, with like a podcast
and stuff like that. A lot of people saying fifty
points against Detroit the snow angel some about out on
Twitter when the whole team was rocking. The Nines or whatever.
I feel like he's had like five different shoes come
out since he's been a Clipper. But like that whole
when it was like debuting the hard and nine and
the whole team wore it like you saw. And I
talked about this a little bit off top, like everyone
talked about how the Clippers don't have a leader, and
like who's leading this locker room? It was the guy
organizing off season workouts and like team building stuff and
after practice pick and roll practice. I loved so much
of the off court stuff that he did because it was,
like you said, I didn't know he was gonna do
all that. I was kind of conditioned to not like
James Harden, and then when you see it, you're like, shit,
he cares.
Speaker 4: The other thing that can't be overstated is like his
hand in Zoo's development, especially offensively, like Zoo never gets
to this level. Zoo is not you know. I mean,
I mean, like we know how, we know how good
he is, and like his potential and everything, but like
I don't think he's like this garling around the league
that teams are offering like a first and a young
player for without James Harden, and that sort of chemistry,
and that's one of those things that I hope, like,
you know, I don't know if you guys have already
talked about Garland in the pick and roll, but I
hope that that's one of those things where they can
kind of like talk about, you know, sort of what
was effective and how that worked, and maybe they can
get some some one on one sort of practice stuff going,
you know, outside of team workouts and stuff to sort
of build that chemistry.
Speaker 1: Back up, Adam, your favorite hard memory.
Speaker 2: Probably probably Game four against Dallas where he hit like
four straight floaters to win that game after Paul George
ran out of steam. That was huge. The fifty point
game against Detroit was kind of turned the season around
last year and got them on the eighteen to three
run after just losing that game by twenty Phoenix the
night before. But yeah, five game like he hit fifty
five this year against Charlotte. I mean, he's he's a
really good clipper. He's an all time clipper. In a
very short period of time, I thought he more than
lived up to the expectations.
Speaker 1: Yes, someone in the chat is very anti John Collins,
which there's been some wild takes in the chats today. Well,
some guy said on Adams stream that he would rather
have Brook Lopez take threes than Zoo take hook shots.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't make any sense, all right, Mick Jones,
you're annoying, so you're getting put on time out. Yeah,
so the pick and roll stuff is like, we're not
I'm not saying that Darius Garland is the system or
a better point guard than James Harden when it comes
to the pick and roll. They're kind of comparable.
Speaker 4: No, And I like, I don't know if you guys
talk about this.
Speaker 2: He has.
Speaker 4: Chuck and I were talking about this last night, but
I mean, like for the Calves too, Like, this is
a great move if you're looking at the landscape of
the East and you know you don't have the Celtics
like in this their same regular tier of contention this
season obviously the same same deal with the Pacers. You know,
this is a win now move. This is a short
window move, no way around it. But like it does
really lift your lift your ceiling in a in a
conference that's you know, a little wider than the West,
especially given where the Clippers are at and the standings already.
Well said, it's.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's a good it's it's a
good move. Yeah, it makes a yes, short term. Adam
Pittbull six on nine eight is asking can it Bob
Schmidt's take on including the second rounder, which is very funny.
But you talked with the the fear of the fro guys.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, uh, full scall with them later. Yeah. I
think he was a little bit concerned with the move
for the Cavs side, and I'm seeing a lot of
that right now. They're not sure how this is gonna
work out for them. I think there's question marks because
so does this mean they're given James Harden the extension
because he can't get it right now anyways, So if
they can't, they can't give it to him now. It's
a handshake deal and we'll just see how things go
the rest of the season and then they're number. Yeah,
this summer they'll revisit that. I like I I I
do think James Harden can make them better right now,
but it could take more time. I don't know if
it's going to be as much of a seamless transition.
Just because he is the system, he is your offense.
That changes things, especially when you have Donovan Mitchell next
to him. I'm sure they'll figure it out in the
Eastern Conference, Like they do have a good chance. They're
like two games back on the two seed right now,
so they could easily shoot up the Eastern Conference quickly here.
And he's also very good with big men, as we know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to watch more of his highlights. I
haven't watched a lot of Caps games obviously, but the
stats look to be comparable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the efficient, like the efficiency is pretty similar. Like
just giving it a cursory glance, obviously, you know different
availabilities so far with Garland. Both toes now cooked, seemingly.
Speaker 1: Cooked, you're going fully cooked.
Speaker 4: Well, I have surgery on the left one and now
it's the right one.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is what the situation is.
Speaker 4: Just get bigger shoes man.
Speaker 1: He's like I've been wearing. He's like, I think I'm
a seven. They're like, Darius, get him, get him some
steel toes.
Speaker 2: For people who are like, ah, why do we take
on that risk? You're not getting Garland for James Harden
if he was playing eighty two games a season, Like
there's there's some downside. There has to be, or else
they weren't giving him up. Yeah, of course, but he's
twenty six and it's at least a different toe than
one he had surgery on.
Speaker 1: And look at what Yoshi Balboa is saying. He's played
about eighty percent of the games in his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just played seventy five last season when they
won sixty four games. That one of their best seasons ever.
Speaker 1: And he's been out for nine games. He's gonna miss tomorrow.
People are asking if he's gonna play against the Clip tomorrow.
That will not happen. He's on the injury report for
an actual injury. Is also why I don't think it'll happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Harden will either, if they get
done with the physicals in time for that to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like from a coaching perspective, would you want
their first appearance to be the day at like no practice, Like,
just just go play an NBA game with these guys, don't?
I don't know if the runways that short? Yeah, Okay,
this person, The more I sit with it, the more
I like it. Garland is definitely a small step down
this year, but as a future asset, we definitely want
the deal yeah, and on the defensive side of the ball,
he's undersized. He tries at least, so like, yeah, okay,
no one knows the timeline kind of unclear, right, Adam,
did you find anything with that? And you're you've been
working like all day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me text Lawrence Frank.
Speaker 4: These conversations have been going on for weeks. I mean
initially that Garland injury, like when I was looking at
some calves stuff and they were thinking about ten ten days.
That happened on the nineteenth, So we're not too far
outside of that. But I wonder if you're like maybe
keeping them on ice or I don't know.
Speaker 2: They were treating it like it wasn't that big of
a deal. Yeah, Cleveland's side unrelated to the toe that
had surgery on it last year. So they also Bob
Schmidt told me that, you know, they're not that forthright
about injuries in Cleveland, Like, well, it turns out no
fan base feels like their team is.
Speaker 1: Except for the Warriors. Did they put out like didn't
they For a while they were putting out like weirdly
detailed breakdowns of why Steph was out. I might be
wrong about that.
Speaker 2: Was this after kdie did his achilles.
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, People for the most part
are pretty hype. Yeah. Himothy's pointing out that we have
yet another guy who played for the Clippers whose father
played for the Clippers, which is pretty funny. Someone saying
they hope James doesn't play because he might drop fifty
on us.
Speaker 4: That'd be kind of funny, very real possibility.
Speaker 2: And they've already played their game in Cleveland this year,
So if James doesn't play tomorrow, they're not catching him leus.
They're in the finals.
Speaker 1: Is there any cool nicknames for Garland? He's a clip now,
so he deserves one. That's actually a great question.
Speaker 4: I saw in his basketball reference DG the PG, but
that's not that good.
Speaker 1: I do not like that DG the PG.
Speaker 2: Work anything PG related right now with this team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kolby White's next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could still end up getting one of these
guys that uh we were talking about initially to back
up James Harden. Very recently, Kobe White called sex did
one of these type of guys. It's possible, But a
lot of guys, a lot of teams I think, are
after Kobe White. That's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's funny too. Is Like, what I like about
this trade especially is it doesn't hamstring any other moves.
So one for one so it's like we didn't lose Bogie,
we didn't lose anything else that kind of be pieced
together for Kobe White or I think I want Collin sext.
Speaker 4: But but there's still gotta be doesn't There still gotta
be like a three out one in to make to
convert the two ways, or like a two for one
and cut a guy.
Speaker 2: Oh this, They're still gonna have to do something with
CP three.
Speaker 1: Ask him to come back. No one wants CP three,
which is the issue. It's problem the deadlines in like
nine hours and there hasn't been a single like rumor
of anyone really wanting.
Speaker 4: With the Timberwolves poke round like on amn.
Speaker 1: Don't need somebody. They're going to do that big trade
for Caesar Quabos is hyped from the second round pick.
Oh yeah, there could be a three team trade. Bulls
get Yakum, Clippers get Kobe White, Bogey CP three and
Kobe Brown ship somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Sure, yacup contract is interesting.
Speaker 1: How much money does he make A lot? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like twenty seven million over the next three seasons.
Speaker 4: What they want. They traded to get him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like they had to retain them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they gave up assets to get him out of
San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Jesus three years eighty four million dollars.
Speaker 4: And at the time people were even like, you know,
people were like even hopeful. People were like skeptical, but like,
you can't give up assets and then like not retain
the guy.
Speaker 1: Got so much money. You ever complain about Zubats again?
If anyone watching this complains about Avitzazu.
Speaker 2: Just wait like two seconds, yeah, just wait two seconds.
Somebody in the chat will complain and.
Speaker 1: Look at Yaka Pertl's contract and just like just take
a breath. Could be a lot worse.
Speaker 4: But we can kill San is.
Speaker 1: Our perfect backup. Oh yeah, your guys, Simon's is gone.
Speaker 2: Until recently. Wasn't Marvin Bagley making more than a Viza
Zubas until Zubas's contract extension kicked in? Like, yeah, I
have no idea why people think we need to trade Zubas.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're also we're not getting Ja Morant, which is great.
A lot of people were saying that they wanted jaw
but I only wanted John Morana f it was with
twenty twenty six first round pick attached to it. We
got a this year first round pick for Jahn Moran.
That would have been great. But outside of that, that's
a nightmare. I like this a lot more than John Morant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, taking on that jaw contract, I want Memphis pick
and Utah's pick give us off everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might want two first round picks to take
on the Ja Morant contract. I wonder how much they
try to get off of it, people from just realizing
how little zoobots just making that puts in his contract.
Speaker 1: I put makes that twenty dollars. Nico, my cousin is here,
great name said, we got a shorten the list of
who gets a babe head moving forward. I'm actually on
board with this.
Speaker 4: But how would you not give James ahead?
Speaker 1: It would be something else, It'd be fake beard? Do
you do fake beard? Giveaway?
Speaker 2: Well? Whence Hardens is like February twenty second, his bobble
that night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's gonna happen with those?
Speaker 2: Those might still give him out end up in the ocean?
Speaker 1: Do they?
Speaker 4: It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, Haiti's terrible renegade saying we're not done making
moves as it seems.
Speaker 4: Well, we're definitely not because we still gotta get spots
for Miller and Sanders. So yeah, at the at the
bare minimum, we gotta do that.
Speaker 2: If they can't move CP three, they just have to
wave him, right, yeah, to open up a slot.
Speaker 5: Like there's I thought there was a weird thing with
waving him because of saying, like, isn't there a minimum
threshold of guys under actual contract you need?
Speaker 1: Or am I making that up? Because I thought there
was an issue with CP three's Teith Smith tweeted about this.
Who knows a lot about how like there's kind of
some wonkiness with just waving CP three.
Speaker 2: He might be right, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't remember it fully damn. So now we're we're
gonna do a probably larger debrief about Hardened as a whole.
Uh when we have a sit down pod, do we
think the Clippers win tomorrow? Like? How like? Now? How
earth like? Do we think they play better because it's
more settled or like.
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be the same starting lineup right? I
would Yeah, Yeah, I think Bay win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not get out rebounded on the offensive boards
by one guy, and let's not lose second chance points
by one hundred.
Speaker 2: I was glad that they didn't quit on the game
yesterday because they probably should have lost by thirty five
after the first quarter. They could have just gave up.
Speaker 1: Dude, Will and I were watching it. Will, I don't
know about you. After that hardened news, I was just like, yeah,
like the game sort of ceased. Yeah, it felt like
when a flash bang goes off in a movie and
it's just like it's just quiet, and like I was like, Okay.
Speaker 2: It was really overwhelming, like there's too much happening right now.
The game definitely faded into the background.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Clippers do have like some tough games coming up.
They have the Calves tomorrow, the King's on Friday, and
then before the break it's a three and four. It's
at the Wolves, and then a back to back against
the Rockets on the tenth and the eleventh, which is
kind of a rough way to go on not break,
like we might be living a little bit.
Speaker 2: We went through the schedule at the beginning of this season,
we were like, this Rocket is back to back, could
be a problem circle this.
Speaker 1: And it probably will be all right. People's takes are
coming in. Yeah, like the health works out or it doesn't.
You can still get off the contract at the end
of it if it's not too terrible. People want Kawhi traded.
Speaker 2: I just think for the player that he is, for
what you're giving up in James Harden, I think you
have to take that risk because if it goes well
with Darius Garland, like it's a two time All Star
and he's young. It's just really rare to have an
opportunity for a guy like that.
Speaker 1: Someone just tweeted, Shit, he's not on the report. Oh really, Wow,
Derek Jones Junior is playing tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I guess we are winning every game.
Speaker 1: Looks like we're going undefeated. For the Way Out Boys,
Thank you for doing some producer work for us.
Speaker 2: Terry, I'm not seeing that.
Speaker 1: Go to Tellbarr's twitter.
Speaker 2: Tobar had it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not even on the injury report.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm I'm looking at the Clippers PR. I
could be I'm just looking at the Clippers PR and
I haven't seen anything for it yet.
Speaker 1: They don't know how to run their Twitter account to
Mayer is saying in Surprising News Derek Jones Junior is
no longer on the Clippers injury report and is available
to play tomorrow versus the Cats.
Speaker 2: Well, i'll help. Chris has done a lot. I think
he's part of the reason he's been struggling so much
with his shot as of late. Could be uh, he's
starting to tire out from playing way more minutes since
DJ's been out again.
Speaker 1: What's the starting lineup look like? Is Derek Like, when
Derek Jones is back in fully healthy, is he relegated
to the bench now because Collins has been so good?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it was before, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well did he get hurt during the ramp up
period from his other knee injury, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he came back for like four games, five games,
and then Boston got him again. Fuckers they getting too
though A right, You're not getting new from us because
of that?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So Derek Jones Junior off the bench. And
this because if you add Derek Jones Junior kind of
into the bigger picture for the next couple of years, right,
because he's on a ten million dollar deal He's which
I think it's a contract year or his next year
is contract year.
Speaker 2: Next year. He's not expiring this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So like, if you're looking at the year after
next year, if you get Derek Jones Junior and John
Collins resigned, you got Darius Garland, Derek Jones Junior, John
Collins aviats zoo bots on the books. Not a bad
I'm not saying those are world beaters, but for you're
like a little foundation you're building. That's not bad.
Speaker 4: That plus two max spots potentially, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's back. Yeah, it's back to being high level, competitive
team that has flexibility, that can still go out there
and make another big move when the opportunity arises.
Speaker 1: Someone said streaming during the Pro Bowl, big risk here, guys,
great bit, Thank you, Clipper nick.
Speaker 2: Uh Is that on?
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, when the is that shit? Yeah? I
mean hype for Dereck Jones Junior be back man. There's
been so many games where we've all three said, like
there's a game where you missed DJ. We need a
guy who can defend it, who can shoot. Oh is it?
Is it a team option for Dereck Jones Jr.
Speaker 2: I mean there's no way they wouldn't pick it up. Ye.
Speaker 1: No, that's just not It's just a straight up. Yeah,
ten mill? Damn. What does his next contract look like?
Speaker 2: Probably just bumped up to the new mid level like
fifteen million.
Speaker 4: Yeah, four for sixty How old is he.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight or twenty nine? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Oh maybe a mine. He's twenty eight this year. Yeah,
so signing a thirty year old to a three year
mid level contract doesn't feel bad?
Speaker 2: What good shape, guys.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're in good shape long term. I'm like,
I'm ten. First of all, it's always ten tones down. Uh,
but the like they stuck with the plan. It actually
seems to be coming to fruition at somewhat like I
like it. Pitbull asking what's worse the Pro Bowl or
the All Star Game?
Speaker 2: The Pro Bowl? Pro guys is a flag football game
now and.
Speaker 1: Guys opt out. Justin Fields was asked if he wanted
to play in the Pro Bowl this year.
Speaker 2: He said, no, that's how should do her?
Speaker 1: Got in literally yes.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: It's it's the Pro Bowl by far. Yeah, Farty Cakes
is chugging the kool aid. It's gonna be I'm absolutely
chugging the kool Aid. I feel I'm bummed that Harden's God,
I'm not celebrating the fact that Harden is gone. But
I'm just like, I like it. I like that the
moves are being manifested.
Speaker 4: So where like, does this lock us into nine to ten?
Speaker 1: That's a great question, I think so just purely from
a like there's a figuring it out period with a
new point guard, and we just can't It's not like
we've stacked wins, right, like, probably nine to ten Adam
like to end the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's more likely. But I think
there's a there's a shot to get in the seven
eight matchup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shot to get into the matchup for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I guess it depends too on
what the Warriors do if they end up doing anything
to the deadline.
Speaker 2: Get in the seven eight when it become the seventh seed,
take on the two seed. Hope it's not Denver. That's
that's my plan.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that point. More Bogey minutes now. I
don't know, man, you think at any minutes last night.
Speaker 2: The game before people that was crazy. It was like,
I don't know how he cracks the rotation after Jordan
Miller and Kobe Sanders have been doing this, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he should no disrespect to Bogie, but it's like
it's it's time for the young guys against us.
Speaker 2: He could still be moved, yes, and he probably should
be moved.
Speaker 4: I guess if the Warriors don't make a move, we
could get into seven eight, three and a half games
right now.
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Kesper Fit asking which would you take
Dereck Joe Junior's second for Ben Mathrin or Derek Jone Jr.
Two pick swaps and Kobe Brown for Kobe White the
first one no pick swaps for Kobe White.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. I like both guys, but I
like Ben Mathern a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do like Kobe White as a prospect, but
not for Yeah, we're.
Speaker 4: Dj away to the sixth seventh seed, let's go.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like the energy. The energy is good.
Speaker 4: If we have six, that'd be absolutely insane, impossible.
Speaker 1: It's it feels in part we like six and a
half games.
Speaker 2: Out let's schedule gets too hard. They'd have to make
another sixteen and three run.
Speaker 1: We're six and a half games out of six seven. Yeah,
I've been games out of five though, if you really
want to dream, We've been asked us a couple of
times we're playing Cleveland tomorrow, our traded player is eligible.
I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, would depend on how quickly they can
do the physicals and stuff, but I sincerely doubt it.
Speaker 1: And again, like I said, I don't think you want
them playing with no practice, Like see.
Speaker 4: What you're at.
Speaker 1: I don't level check. We could vibe check.
Speaker 2: I think the Clippers would stall the trade before knowing
they have to go up against James Harden tomorrow after
just trading him, like you drag your nobody. Nobody wants
to take on a guy that was just moved while
you're still with that out your side of the trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this question. How much time is fair
for Garland to get comfortable? So what after he comes back,
let's let's call it. I don't know, he comes back
in a week or something. Five games you're getting, well,
there's so many in March, Like he's gonna probably get
comfortable pretty quick. But I think you gotta get how
many times how many games did it take John Collins
to get comfortable?
Speaker 2: Guys he signed through twenty twenty eight, how many games?
How much time do you give him to get comfortable?
Speaker 1: Like for good season, for this season.
Speaker 2: What what is this? I just DoD he's a long
term piece. It looks like and.
Speaker 1: I think it's However, many games that John Collins took
to get comfortable. John Collins had to figure out he's
on a new team. It doesn't matter if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you gonna do if he doesn't get
comfortable in the first month? What are you gonna do?
Trade deadline is passed? He's long term on this team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did we do a taxi vaccine s claus because
that might actually be really helpful should things not go
the Clippers way. H the takesy Bacsi's clause is key.
Someone saying James Harden you can play till he's forty.
Probably Clippers got worse than the short term.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: How much worse though not like drastically.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's unfair to be like, oh, they
didn't go thirteen three the next sixteen games, so that
means they lost the trade because they were able to
do that with James hard And it's like, well, the
schedule is getting tougher moving forward, so they were never
going to be able to replicate going sixteen to three
over the next nineteen games or thirteen three over the
next sixteen games. It doesn't mean they necessarily got worse.
It means the schedule got tougher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well you're saying there it's a bit of
a step down short term, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it could be more of a step
down on games without Kawhi games with Kawhi.
Speaker 2: I think Garland's a really easy fit, honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you call Nev Junior asking what's Garland's main
issue is Is it really his toes or is he
just scrawny and gets injured. Well, he does have a
toe injury right now, and he's just undersized. So the
defense drop the feet picks. We got to investigate, do
one drop any feet picks? I mean his issue is
that he's an undersized guard, so defense is harder, and
that's not a new issue, right, Like, that's his largest
issue on defense. He tries. As we've talked about.
Speaker 2: Mark Madina is saying there's some optimism he'll be ready
to play with the Clippers after the All Star break.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mark Medina was posting weird crypto wins
the other week so what do we think of DG
as a passer? The assist turned over is not that good,
and he's shorter without a lob threat, he's really good
in the pick and roll. If you look at the
pick and roll numbers, which I'll just put in the chat,
they're like, genuinely they're comparable to James Harden's. I don't know, Well,
how do you do you think the lob threat thing
is that big of an issue?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: What do you mean he has a lob threat?
Speaker 1: Right? I think they're saying because it's not like he
has multiple lob threats. Yeah, I think we're gonna be okay.
I'm not sure I understand the question. I think the
ratio are you talking about raw as a turnover or
like a specific segment of thing, because when we looked
at the pick and roll numbers, he was actually his
assistant turnover ratio was slightly better than James's. Yeah, his
turnover frequency is lower.
Speaker 2: Wait, let me double check that it's better than two
to one, right, it's all seven to three.
Speaker 4: Are we calling that not that good?
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're assistant turnover ratio king on the floor.
Speaker 4: Obviously, but if you're hitting. If you know, if you're
above the floor, you're not bad.
Speaker 1: I mean not that good.
Speaker 4: Is anything below that? What's John Collins is?
Speaker 1: God not good. Let me actually just look that up.
Speaker 2: His assist a turnover ratio is slightly better than James Harden's.
Speaker 4: Is that's what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, John Collins is.
Speaker 4: Although I do appreciate you bringing up that stack because
it is the most important and looking at a guard.
Speaker 1: John Collins is a negative for assist to turnover ratio.
He averages one assist, he averages one point three turnovers.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 2: It was worse to start the year. I think it
was the reverse two to one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Tyler was like, I think you can dribble
and he cannot dribble.
Speaker 4: You're a basketball player, you can dribble, right.
Speaker 1: Clipper Nick saying Zoo's gonna turn into mobiley. He can
feel the potential. Sure, I like the optimism.
Speaker 4: So he's gonna turn into super Zoo. There's no comparison.
Speaker 1: He's gonna grow his hair out. Is Garland hurt right now? Yes,
he has a toe injury. What is the official injury? Actually,
just so people stop there, because.
Speaker 2: It says great toe there's big toe.
Speaker 4: It is his big toe, but they call it a
great toe in one of the injury reports. I saw
some I have it.
Speaker 1: That's so funny, right, great toe sprain. Is that a
Cleveland thing? Do they not? Do they call him great
toes instead?
Speaker 4: Extra toe?
Speaker 1: Oh maybe that's his problem. He has an extra toe off.
Someone asked about his wiki feet. Y'all look up his
wiki feet. I'm not looking up his wiki feet. You're
a freak if you're dropping wiki free references. Now, we
just kind of wait for the next trade to happen.
Not on this live of course, because that could take hours.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll stay until it happens.
Speaker 1: There's some other stuff to go down.
Speaker 4: Well, like we said, at a bare minimum, they need
to open up a roster spot.
Speaker 1: So clipper Nick Harden breaks my heart. We should be
talking a longevity of the double Bigs right now, Adam,
what's the most recent numbers on the Double Bigs? I
know you have the stats, which I do. We do appreciate.
Speaker 4: Justin Russo has also been pretty on it.
Speaker 2: I think they went minus six yesterday, but in a
game where you were down by twenty three and everybody
was getting beat up. That's really not that bad.
Speaker 4: That's your best two man lineup.
Speaker 1: Ooh, we got Joelle. I think just put this in
the chat, said, look up Garland's status stats when Donovan
Mitchell doesn't play. So here's the ten games, the last
ten games that Darius Garland has played without Donovan Mitchell
is screen sharing and all. That's kind of like, shit,
we got forty points, twenty five points. I mean these
aren't pretty solid numbers. Oh yeah, twenty nine thirty five
averag he's averaging twenty seven and eight assists, shooting at
a forty percent clip two point eight numbers.
Speaker 2: There's a reason he's a two time All Star.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's really good done.
Speaker 2: I also think, yeah, that's a big deal because him
and Donovan Mitchell not exactly just known for being, you know,
ballhawk defenders and dogs out there defensively. It was kind
of a smaller backcourt. Not that Chris Dunne is big,
but he can play big with his defense out there.
I think that's that's a pretty good pairing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a grower on d.
Speaker 4: That's Chris Dun's like christ is a grower.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, man, a pregame segment talking about defensive guys
called Growers and showers would be so fu okay, fanat
art saying this is a good trade. You guys don't
see it now, but you'll we've all said it's a
good trade. I think they're talking about the chat, is
what I'm assuming, because I came out here talking about
how pretty if time was. If you're also, if you're
listening to this later, I'm gonna put We're gonna put
this out as an audio pod and you want to
find us live, It's YouTube dot colls at Clippers podcast.
It's fun.
Speaker 4: People are saying, oh, were you as gobsmacked as Charles
and I when this, like when the Manni's report first
kind of broke broke the air yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was right before third quarter, right his.
Speaker 4: Halftime, right before the hats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was shocking also because it
came for Mannix, so I wasn't sure how much to
put into it at first, but he got it. He
was right. Apparently they were in advanced talks to get
things done less than twenty four hours later. Uh. But honestly,
Garland's one of those guys that I've been looking at
for a while because Cleveland Cavalier fans with his contract
with Donovan Mitchell and them having a smaller backcourt. That's
been talked about as one of their fatal flaws on
the team, like can you have both these guys together
in the back court and make it work? Now, their
front court was so good, and Evan Mobley's, you know,
a generation athlete at that size, he can make up
for a lot, but there was always talk of whether
or not this is Dame and CJ McCollum, and it
can only get you so far having a smaller backcourt
with two guys that aren't elite defenders. So I've always
wondered if they were going to make a move, and
I think before last season there was a lot of
talk of moving Darius Garland, but then they won sixty
four games, top seed the Eastern Conference, and then he
gets hurt right at the end and only plays three
games against Indiana in the second round. So it's kind
of been on my mind for a while, but I
think it's it's definitely worth the risk, even with the injuries,
when you're only giving up a guy that's not in
your long term plans. Anyways, in James Harden for somebody
that if he can stay healthy, can be good in
the short term and the long term.
Speaker 1: The Manics thing is funny because when that's how that too,
I was like, this feels like bullshit. Sorry, Chris, Yeah no, no,
not just respecting Mannix, but it's just not the guy
you would think to break that. Watch Carlum game breakdowns,
and the guy's very good giving effort on defense, but limited.
Jvg's a help for that too, right, Like we got
Van Gundy who can help him be in the right spot.
I'll not say he's going to turn into Chris the
Show or Done or the Grower done, but like it's
just good to have that background, right, Like at least
we have someone on the staff who is shown to
be good at coaching defense.
Speaker 2: But like his defensive effort, like that's not really the issue.
Like he he's just small. He's small, he's in the
right position, he does the right things, he doesn't get
caught ball washing, like he's he's solid. All of his
defensive metrics are really good. They've been down this year,
but they have been top shelf the last couple of seasons.
Terius Garland on the perimeter.
Speaker 4: Oh I also one thing we haven't talked about yet.
Is like I also like that we're getting a young
guy who's had good coaching too, Like I'm an Atkinson fan,
like I you know, I think that he's been you know,
he's been in winning scenarios and he's like he's he's
been with good coaches before. So it's not like he's
gonna have some culture shock in some new thing. Like
it's not a guy coming from a like a losing
franchise or someone who already has like sort of a
reputation for uncoachability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or a shits and a gun charges.
Speaker 4: Charge. I don't know that there's charges or sorry, I
thought there were charges.
Speaker 1: We got the youth, we got the energy. Yeah, Like
it's it feels good. That point about Atkinson is great.
I think most Clippers fans were bummed when he left
the staff because didn't he go He left to go
to Golden State before he became a head coach obviously
basically for like kind of a role that they thought
was like coach and waiting for Golden State because he
was like an assistant coach with a weirder, like a
heavier title, and then he went to Cleveland. So yeah, good,
good coaching fedigree for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, after he was like ousted by the nuts for
turning that organization.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, I was like he got
down pretty derby there for like, yeah, for trying to
win basketball games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't he make dlo An All Star? I think
didn't he get an All Star?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam, when you got up your.
Speaker 2: Sleeves, do you guys want to see one of these
defensive charts that I spoke over Darius Garland? This is
just last season, Like he's he's good, he's just small. Uh,
But you have a beats to Zoobots behind him, you
have Chris Donne next to him, like they can they
can make it work. I think that's realistic. I don't
think they're gonna have some major drop off defensively going
from James hard to Darius Garland, who I think is
objectively a better defender overall. But Harden is a better
post defender because of his size. But how often are
we seeing that?
Speaker 1: Right? That's like the one thing teams want to avoid
from James Harden on defensive They managed to avoid it.
This is funny. As a big boxing fan, it's always
funny to see Chris mannis in the basketball.
Speaker 2: That is fair.
Speaker 1: Someone saying we should trade Zoo to get younger don't
know about that. Who are we trading. We're trading Zoo
for a baby, then that's the only way we're really
getting younger.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Ozen bringing out the charts. You know when you get
when you get chart Adam or Zapruder Adam, things are happening,
things are in motion.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a false narrative, and I
didn't expect it would be this good defensively either, But
you look at a lot of the advanced stuff. He's
more than solid. It's just a slighter frame. It's not
Trey Young. Trey Young is a guy who's small and
doesn't give effort on that end and doesn't have good
defensive principles. This is not that.
Speaker 1: Someone asking how long is Garland's contract? He is on
the books until through twenty seven twenty eight, So he's
off the books or extended after twenty seven eight, and
if he's not good, then we can move on. All right,
We're geting a bunch of trades you for picks and
play on It takes, so we should probably wind this down. Music,
any other final I think we might do an episode
on Thursday or something, but just Adam will any final
thoughts on the weird thirty six hours. We've all had
bit or sweet.
Speaker 4: Overall really good, but it will be sad that that
James is no longer seeing nothing clippers, you know.
Speaker 2: Fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to tell my little nephew about it.
I'm kind of a bummed, to be honest, Adam.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you trace the trade going back to
how they got James, what they gave up a twenty
twenty eight first round pick and a twenty twenty nine
pick swap with Philadelphia and Roco and but toom like
turning all that into a twenty six year old two
time All Star at the guard position, and granted has
some risk on with the injury stuff, but that's pretty
darn good asset management, I would say. Overall, especially having
to pivot when it wasn't their idea to move James
to end up with Darius Garland here feels like a win.
Hopefully you can stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Well said, it is like for an unexpected trade, I
think it. I don't. Yeah, it could have been a
lot worse if you don't like Lawrence Frank, I don't
really understand, Like it's hard to defend Lawrence Frank being
bad after this move, you know what I'm saying. Like,
even if you don't like Laurence Frank, you probably also
don't like James Harden, so like he helped you out.
I'm feeling pretty good. We're gonna go out on this comment.
Thank you, DP Music and Vinyl Zoo is amazing. The
slander Itsu is crazy awesome. We'll be back with a
full non live episode on Thursday probably. Thank you for
hanging out in the stream. We definitely appreciate it. Well,
where are people who are listening? Where can they drop
any reviews? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you listen to this on audio, uh,
you can leave a little review over on Apple Podcasts
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Speaker 1: Yes, if something significant happens, will go live again tonight,
significant being the keyword. Thank you for hanging out. Hope
everyone has a good rest of your night. Welcome Darius Garland,
thank you James Harden and as always, let's go clips.