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Speaker 1: You were listening to petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome, welcome, welcome, hopefully to another fun filled half

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hour here on pet Life Radio. I asked the best

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of doctor Jeff. I am your host, doctor Jeff Warber,

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and I'm here to talk about anything. I mean anything

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if I don't know the answer about something else, we

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will get it for you. Talked about last week, talked

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Speaker 3: To Dr Jeff.

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Speaker 2: That's doctor Jeff at petlife radio dot com. So, first

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of all, we had spoken to Sarah. She read an

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email and she just answered back, I'm gonna read it

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to you. It says it's she did just what I

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want you to do pet Life Radio. She goes, thank

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you so much for your suggestions. My twelve year old

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Westipoo flower did indeed have a your night track infection

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and is now an annibatus to clear that up. She's

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back to her old self. I have a new question

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for you. I listened to your podcast while I drive

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my mail truck in a Chicago suburb. Can you imagine

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how tough it is to drive that struck around?

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Speaker 3: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: I was recently listening to a show from a few

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months back when you mentioned a new allergy medication to

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be released hopefully in January of this year. Can you

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please share the name of this product? Flowers suffered from

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skin issues due to allergies for most of her life,

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and we're now looking at starting her on accutane. I

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know that this drug is very hard on the liver,

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kidneys and humans, so if there's something new to try instead,

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I would rather try that. Thank you again, doctor Jeff

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From Sarah, Well, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: You are in luck.

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Speaker 2: Maybe why maybe this drug did hit the market in

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January was released and because.

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Speaker 3: Of its amazing and I mean amazing.

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Speaker 2: Success, and I can attest firsthand because I have a

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number of patients on it already. The company which is

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Zoetis now Zoetis is formerly Pfeiser Animal Health. Pfiser Animal

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Health Group broke away from the parent company, which was Pfizer,

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and they are their own company called zoetis doing extremely well.

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And the new drug that we talked about is called Apoqueil.

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That's a po quel. It comes in three sizes, three

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strains basically for different weights of dog. And it really

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is amazing and I'm gonna explain how it works in

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a second. But the one problem is already, because of

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its amazing success, probably faster than they had expected anticipated,

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it is now tough to get. They are already back ordered.

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They are obviously keeping patients that are already on it

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to stay on it, and it is it's just an amazing,

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amazing medication. So here's basically the nuts and bolts how

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it works. I don't want to be too scientific, but

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as we know, in humans, the allergic response is mediated

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by a cellular mediator called histamine, and therefore when we

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want to block that allergic response, we take anti histamines. Well,

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histamine does not play a major role, much any role,

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very minor role at best in the canine allergic response.

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So therefore we don't recommend taking antihistamines, certainly not for

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the anti allergy effect. However, sometimes we do recommend some

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of the good old fashion antihistamines like benajol, which is diphenhydromene,

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like ataracs, because those which is called hydroxyzine, will have

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a bit of a sedative effect, and I think a

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lot of the allergists that we're using the nonesedation type

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of anihistamines, we're finding that they really didn't work that well. Well,

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the search for years has been on how do we

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find out what exactly is happening in the canine allergic response?

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What is making literally them itch, what is making that

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skin get inflamed? So the folks at Zoetis have been

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studying this for quite some time, and the basic physiology

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is that there is a type of white cell called

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the T cell. The T cell is a cell that

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is a cell that responds to antigenetic stimulate. The T

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cell releases and agents that are called cytokines, and there's

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one that are interlukens, and the interlukens the are number

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of them that are involved in the allergic response two, four, six, thirteen,

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and thirty one and interraluken or IL thirty one seems

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to have a pretty major role in the allergic response.

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its thing, to actually cause the body to itch, cause

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that inflammatory response, it needs the help of an enzyme

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or actually a couple of enzymes that are called janis

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kinse enzymes, and for short we call them JACK and

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the two enzymes that are very very important for this

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response to happen are JACK one and JACK three, And

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the new drug called apoquil actually blocks the Jack one

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and the Jack three enzymes. So therefore, even though those ils,

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those interlukens are just dying to do what they do

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to make our dogs uncomfortable. Without the help of the

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jack enzymes, now blocked by aplequil, they can't, so it

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is literally amazing, and the beauty of it is it's

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not like the cyclost foreign which many of us have

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had to resort to put our dogs on, which is

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an immunosuppressive agent. It's not like the Cordi zones, the

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pregna zone which has been the industry standard, which also

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potentially though it has excellent anti inflammatory effects, it also

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can cause immunosuppression at higher doses, and there are a

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lot of other conditions that we know from long term

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steroid use, so we can't use it long term. In fact,

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when we have to resort to using corticosteroids, pregna zone

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being the most common for the dog, we often have

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to go on alternate day therapy. So we start with

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like twice a day, made that for a few days,

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I we'll go to one a day and ultimately settle

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it every other day because there are too many side

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effects with everyday therapy. Well, with the apoquil, it has

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now been tested for years. First of all, it's been

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to get through FDA approval, which it has done a

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lot of the specialty groups. In fact, one of my colleagues,

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who is a board short of veterinary dramatologist, has had

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her own dog on apple quill now for four years

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every day with zero side effects.

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Speaker 3: So it really is. It's an amazing drug.

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Speaker 2: So Sarah, talk to your veterinarian if he or she

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is lucky enough to still have any on the shelf.

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It's called apple quill, and it might be the perfect

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medication for flower. With aplequill, you can use antibotics, you

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don't need to use steroids, you do not need to

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use the cyclosporins. There are some drug interactions which your

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veterinarian can share with you. We also want to use

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it only in dogs that are over a year of age.

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personally that have been on very long term, it is

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just amazing.

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Speaker 3: So I understand. We have a caller. Hello, are you

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on with us?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I am Hey.

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm good? How about you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. What's your name?

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Speaker 4: My name's Scott.

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Speaker 3: Hey Scott, So what can I do for you?

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Speaker 4: Well, my wife and I are talking about adopting a

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dog sometimes in your future, and we just want to

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know quickly, you know, when you would recommend having them

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space at what age is that appropriate to do?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, first of all, it's a great question, and

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I really appreciate the fact you're adopting narios. Tell people,

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you know, save the breeding for the breaders and go

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out and adopt. You know, you're going to save a

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life for sure, So if anything else, in addition to

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the wonderful addition to the family, you're going to save

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a life now a lot of times, just so you know,

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many adoptions facilities across the country, I think, for a

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pretty good reason will not even release a dog until

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it's already spader neuter. I have some issues with that,

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depending on the breed, but it is just the way

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it is. It used to be you would adopt a

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young dog and you would get a voucher and you

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then when the dog is ready, you could take that

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voucher to the local Spain neuter clinic or the hospital

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that works with that adoption agency or the shelter and

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get the neuter or stay for free. The problem is

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that most pet I wouldn't say most there are many

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pet owners or new pet owners out there, probably not

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as much chancious as like you would be, and don't

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care about the voucher and just keep their dogs and

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the dogs hit the streets and then a breed and

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you know, all these bats can happen. But let's talk

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about the perfect world. In the perfect world, if you

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had the ability, I would recommend the following. I don't

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like spaying and neutering any dog before six months.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's the reason.

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Speaker 2: The dogs that you can safely spay or neuter young

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before six months of age or around six months of

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age are the small breeds. And the small breeds, however,

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have another very common issue that we often have to

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deal with, and that is called retain deciduous teeth.

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Speaker 3: They don't lose.

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Speaker 2: Their baby teeth on schedule. When the adult tooth erupts,

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it is supposed to push the baby tooth out of

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the way, and therefore it's a tooth replacement. The baby

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falls out and in that same socket and the gum

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line the adult comes in. Often, however, with the small breeds,

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that doesn't happen, and the roots of those baby teeth

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are so long that they hold their ground and it

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forces the adult tooth to come in in an inappropriate position.

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Speaker 3: The baby tooth.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna know which of the baby teeth are

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going to require extraction until all the adult teeth are in.

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And when does that happen. That whole process is done

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by five and a half to six months of age.

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So if you take that little Yorki or a little

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multi pool whatever, and you spay her or new to

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her at four months, which you can do, is a

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very good chance that comes six months, you're gonna have

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to knock her out a second time to pull the

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baby teeth. And that's insane because the most dangerous part

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of these procedures is the anthesia.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do it twice?

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Speaker 2: So therefore I prefer holding off the small breeds, even

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though it be okay to do until they're at least

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six months of age.

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Speaker 3: Now let's talk to large breeds.

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Speaker 2: I used to feel the exact same way, and I

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used to use the same schedule. Large breeds, wait till

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they're six months, get the females at least before their

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first heat, which is at seven months of age, if

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they read the book, and therefore you will virtually eliminate

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any threat of mammary cancer. And everyone is happy. But

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we learned something new recently, and when I say recently

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in the in the medical world that can be back

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within even two or three years, and that is that

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there was a study out of one of the veterinary schools.

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I don't want to misquote myself. I think it was Purdue,

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but I'm not guaranteed where. They were studying aging, and

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they were using the Rottweiler as their model, and the

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theory was that they had never seen a pure rottweiler

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hit thirteen. Whether it's true or not, I don't know.

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But in the midst of their study and studying all

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aspects of aging and the bloods and the bone and

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all these things, they came upon a very very frightening statistic,

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one that I think surprised them as much as it

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did me when I read it, and that is they

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found a sixty five percent greater incidents in long bone

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cancer in males that were pre pubertly neutered, and a

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thirty five percent increase in females that were pre pubertly spayed.

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on developing bone that is going to protect that bone

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eight ten years down the road from developing cancer. Bone

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cancer is a killer one hundred percent. So therefore, if

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I can do something that is gonna slow down that

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process or help sixty five percent chance of not getting it,

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you darn right I'm.

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these are all the large breads, because these are all

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dogs that are prone to bone cancer as older dogs,

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is I'm waiting. My new recommendation is a following small breeds.

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I'm okay with it, but make sure you do it

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after all their adult teeth have erupted. The large breeds,

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female have her first heat. You can still make a

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dramatic reduction in a memory cancer if you spay her

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after her first but before her second heat, that comes

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at around fourteen months of age. So therefore my recommendation

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months of age, so they've already sexually mature, so you're

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gonna hopefully help the bone cancer issue, but you're still

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getting them where you can make a big difference in

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their memory cancer issue. The males you can wait almost

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any time. I would do a year only because with

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the males, especially the big breeds, I mean, let's face it,

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picking up the sense of those and the pheromones released

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by the females in season, and they are going to

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be sending flowers and wine to those bitches and heat

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and you know, and and they're gonna be roaming in

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the streets at dogs sound and US roads and highways

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are non neutered males.

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Speaker 3: So did that to help you?

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appreciate it.

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of adopting big or small?

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something you know, maybe like a little bigger than corny.

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if you get a get mine, but it was just great.

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Speaker 3: Don't kid yourself.

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Speaker 2: The retriever part is a dog that does carry the

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bone canter gene. So even though you get a mini

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which or you know, which means that it might be

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hit only hit twenty five to forty pounds, it gets

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killed carry that gene. So I would still follow the

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rule of the larger dog if you know that in

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the breed mix that you're getting, even though you might

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be a small version of it, if one of the

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parents was a larger dog, I would stick with the

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one year.

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Speaker 3: As far as fixing.

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Speaker 2: If you can, I just said it might be tough

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because some of these shelters and rescues won't even let

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you have them until they're fixed. And if that happens,

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you got to go with their rules. But you know,

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what can you do anyway? Scott, thanks for the call in.

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If you can do me favor and either call back

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and talk to Mark. I want to get your name

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and address, and we are going to send you out

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a new dog, we'll send out a pro Sense pack

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of itamins for your new pump to make sure that

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here she stays healthy all the time. And thanks for

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to Drjef. That's doctor Jeff at Petlife Radio dot com.

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So we helped Sarah with and hopefully you all learned

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about the new apical medication. I think it's great. I'm

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gonna be working actually with them. I got was fortunate

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enough to be asked to do their media campaign when

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they hit the national media tour, which will be coming up. Well,

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they were hoping to do it in spring. I was

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just to do it like late March early April. Is

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because the drug has been so amazing and so successful

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and they've been having such a tough time keeping up

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with the demand. They didn't want me to do the

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national media launch. And that means to you the consumer.

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you want to always hold off on a new product

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like that is you don't want the consumers, you guys,

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to know more about something in the veterinarians. So whenever

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there's a new product out like this, they want to

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spend the first several months priming, educating, and promoting this

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to the veterinarians. So if nothing else, even though the

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veterinarian choose is not to carry the medication. I have

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no idea why, but many are very very shy about

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brand new medications. At least they know about it well.

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off the shelves. So it looks like we're going to

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and it's fun for me.

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Speaker 2: Media tour where I probably get to go to New

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York and work in the studio and talk to the

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big national magazines and really educate everybody, educate the masses

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about the benefits of apaquil and the benefits of apple

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quil over some of the drugs that we've been forced

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to use over the years. I mean, we're talking excellent

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drugs like pregnant Zone certainly has its place in medicine

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and veteran medicine, but we also has its disadvantages, and

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the same thing with cyclosporins. So I'm looking forward to

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that and you will certainly over the next several months

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be hearing more and more about aplequil. And then we

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talked to Scott about a subject near and dear to

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my heart, and that is Spain Hooter adopting. We hit

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it all in one phone call, and that's great because

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we know obviously love to help these animals. In fact,

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we've been talking about Henry over the last couple of weeks.

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Henry is that the American eskimo that was found on

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streets here in Los Angeles that was mauled by something

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or some things. Don't know whether they were much larger dogs,

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don't know where they were, coyotes, But this poor dog,

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but the fact that most of its injuries were literally

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around its neck, where its entire neck was ripped open

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down to and including the trachea. It's amazing that his esophagus,

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his carotid artery, and jugular vein were not severed like

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all the muscles and the other tissue and his trachea.

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our initial recommendation because he was really really suffering, and

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the road ahead was very, very long and expensive. Even

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Samaritan Act, we sort of were forced to at least

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keep this guy going. We did a major surgery and

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sewn up is drachia and cut away all the democratic tissue.

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has one more surgery we're waiting on until we get

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a better what we call a granulation bed. We want

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the body to do what it's going to do and

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do it really well, and then he's going to have

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Speaker 3: He's doing just.

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Speaker 2: Great, and I'm thrilled as much as I still you know,

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I always have this discussion with our rescue groups, these

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bleeding heart rescue groups, about how they want to save

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every single one, and I try to educate them that

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you can't and take that money that you would spend

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and spend it on saving hundreds of others, that if

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they don't get out of this shelter, they're going to

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be put to sleep. Unfortunately, here in Los Angeles and cities,

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there are not enough no kill shelters. They just can't

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afford to be no kill. But nonetheless, Henry is a

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success story. We're doing something. We're going to put him

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up on our blog on pet Health Network, which is

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by the way, I want all you to visit pet

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heealthnetwork dot com, and I'm going to be posting some

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pictures before during and after pictures of Henry, so you

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can clearly see how amazing this dog is and just

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what type of fantastic recovery's had. Then next week, I

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and also my good friend Mark Winter from Pet Life Radio,

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we're going to be in Orlando at the Global Pet

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Expo and that's where we get to visit the pet world.

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one in Orlando, interestingly, and then the following month in

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Las Vegas. And now we're going to the Pet world,

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which is where I work with my product line, the

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pro Sens Pet Products, one of our sponsors of this

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radio show. And also just see what's new and innovative

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in the pet world.

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Speaker 3: And it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: This exhibit hall is huge, that's convention center, and we

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really get to see there is so much innovation, so

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many great things going.

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Speaker 3: On in the pet world.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's great to see the economy having

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bounced back to the point where we have these large

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companies doing so much to help make life easier for

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you and your pets. And I'm always intrigued by some

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of the new things out there. You know, again, behavior

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is always a big problem so to see some of

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these companies coming up with these toys, these games, literally

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games that dogs can play in your absence, that keep

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them stimulated, stop them from barking, help them with their

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separation anxiety, almost getting to the point where they are

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not so dependent on you for their health and well

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being that they can do it on their own. Those

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things are great. So when I get back, we will talk.

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So next week I'm going to be at the show,

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but the following week we are going to be live,

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and I'm going to share with you some great things

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that I found at the Global Pet Expert Show in Orlando.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, it is time for me to go.

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Speaker 2: This half hour go so quickly, so once again, thanks

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for joining in and tuning in.

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Speaker 3: We will see you or.

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Speaker 2: You'll be visiting with me live in two weeks here

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on pet Life Radio Asking Beat with Doctor Jeff and

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we will see you.

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Speaker 3: Then, have a great week.

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