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Our guest today is Mike Howell, President of the Oversight Project.

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Mike is a key player has been in uncovering the

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Biden auto pen scandal. Trump administration has confirmed it has

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opened up a bombshew investigation into President Joe Biden's final

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days in office and his prolific use of auto pen.

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The Daily Mail reported on Tuesday. Mike, thank you so

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much for joining us on this edition of the Federalist

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me on this.

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Speaker 1: I would assume, based on what you have been looking

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into low these many months, comes as no surprise that

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the Trump administration has indeed opened up an investigation into

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the closing days. Ultimately, maybe this can extend to all

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of the Biden administration. This was an individual who you know,

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we saw it with our own eyes, no matter what

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Jake Tapper and CNN and the rest of the accomplished

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media wanted to tell us for four years, this was

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a president who was cognitively challenged from the get go.

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But I would assume you're not surprised by this investigation today.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not. I'm very grateful obviously.

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Speaker 3: But President Trump has called out the autopend usage, you know,

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going back months and from when we initially you know,

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dropped our bombshell investigation and several updates to it, and

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so he has consistently spoken.

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Speaker 2: About it over and over again.

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Speaker 3: He's you know, truthed about it, brought it up in interviews,

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applied it in different contacts, and US.

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Speaker 2: Is acting on it. And don't forget that.

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Speaker 3: Also, both the House and the Senate have open investigations

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into it as well. So it's getting hit from from

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all angles, and we're thrilled to see it because we

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do think it's the probably biggest question out there is

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who actually was the president of the last four years

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that did so much damage to this country that.

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Speaker 1: He is a critical question and that's what a lot

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of us have been asking for some time who is

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actually running this country? From what you've learned you have

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reported that it certainly doesn't seem like it was the

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so called duly elected president in Joe Biden running the

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country for those last four years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's pretty much stipulated to and agreed

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to by everyone right now. I mean, I mean Democrats

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are even coming out of the woodwork and either saying yeah,

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we knew he was pretty out of it, or some

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variation of the Taper and Thompson line that they were

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lied to. But I don't think anyone's out there saying

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that Joe Biden was with fully in command of his

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faculties and of the White House anymore. And so it's

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not a question of whether Joe Biden was president, it's

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a question of who was asserting the presidential authority, which

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then leads to, Okay, what actually happens to the things

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that were done with that old Gottson authority?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question ultimately is if it wasn't Joe

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Biden signing these pardons, signing these directives in charge of

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his mental faculties, who ultimately was and what happens to that?

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Mike constitutionally speaking, those kinds of decisions. Because we keep

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hearing over and over from the New York Times and

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the usual suspects who keep doubling down on this whole

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Joe Biden was sharp enough to be president narrative, even

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though there's a deal of evidence to show that it

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was not the case. But they have constantly said, well, hey,

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all presidents use auto pen. Donald Trump uses auto pen.

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I know what the difference is here and what we've

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seen and the actions that sprung from it. But if

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you could what is the failing argument from those who say, hey,

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autopen is just part of the gig.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're wrong on multiple fronts. First, the president.

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Speaker 3: There can only be one president and only one person

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that asserts presidential authority.

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Speaker 2: So when it comes to things.

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Speaker 3: That only the president can do, guess what only the

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president can do them, which means you can't delegate away

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that authority. Things like pardons and executive orders and signing legislation.

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Scouts of America and stuff for a different category. Those

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aren't outlined in the constitution. The things the Constitution says

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the president can do must be done by the president,

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and so no, you can't just autopend away your entire presidency,

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and the comparisons made to previous administrations do not account

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for those differences and the types of documents that are

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apply to and certainly not for this scale. This was

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an administration by auto pen Second, even if you were

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to disagree with us there and some will and continue

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to do so, the question is did he have the

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capacity to delegate that authority and did he at all

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times even have awareness of what was being.

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Speaker 2: Signed in his name? And I think the answer to that.

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Speaker 3: Question is no, just frankly, no, no, no, no, And

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I think to argue otherwise is laughable. You have people

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believe that on January nineteenth, in the dying days of

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his administration, the dying day Joe Biden was sitting there

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basically mediating who should get which parted and for what

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term and for how long. It just doesn't pass the

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laugh test. You see the lobbying activity that surrounded a

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lot of those partons. People are going on TV and

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begging for them.

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Speaker 2: You know, they were.

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Speaker 3: Working their lobbyists in every connection. And I don't think

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it was Joe Biden on the other end of the

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line at all times. I think it was a court

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quarterye of like staffers and outside influences that were basically

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managing the White House and signing those parties.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about those pardons in a moment,

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but back to your point on auto pen. I have

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in my possession something that has for a long time

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been a treasure. It is a letter from President Ronald Reagan.

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Back in the early nineteen eighties. I wrote the President

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expressing my concerns after what happened in Beirut to the

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Marines there, the terrorist attack on the base. My brother

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was serving in the army, and I remember writing as

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a third grader President Reagan a sincere letter about you

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know my brother and how proud of him. I'm serving

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in the military overseas and I hope that he's safe.

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The President wrote me back a nice letter. At least

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someone in the administration did. There's a signature that's Ronald Reagan.

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I know it's not his, but knowing that, you know,

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somebody in the administration took the time to respond to

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a nine year old kid with concerns with something. Ronald

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Reagan certainly is not bound by anything in that letter,

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even signed with necessarily with the technology at the time

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it's signed by somebody else or printed or whatever. These

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are serious matters that we're talking about. The pardons, Yes,

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but what about the policy issues? What about the executive order?

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the Biden administration. What do you say of all of

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those if this is a man who is not in

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charge of his faculties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been saying very loudly for long time that

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we think the pardons are no good. We don't think

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they're legitimate pardons for a variety of reasons, chief amongst

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them that Biden did not sign them, and I don't

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think he was capable of consenting to him or even

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on the capacity to in any event. So the people

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like who received those last minute pardons, think, you know,

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Adam Schiff at the January sixth Committee, Mark Melly, et cetera,

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they could be charged with the crimes for which they

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were allegedly pardoned for. Executive orders are a much easier

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category because President Trump can just undo Biden's executive orders.

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The pardons, you know, are going to be contested. The

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people who receive them certainly are going to fight and

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say no, we have perfectly good pardons and so. And

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then on the separate category legislation, you know, they get

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Biden out of bed and all juiced uff for the

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big signing ceremonies, and so the legislation is a little

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bit of a different category. But all those things I

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just mentioned are just like the written instruments of which

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we have a universe of history. For what is going

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to be more difficult to account for in these investigations

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are some of the other decisions that may not always

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be accompanied by official signature type documents. Think about people asserting, hey,

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President Biden's together, that's done, go do it.

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Speaker 2: Calls with foreign leaders that.

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Speaker 3: May have been had by other people, or any other

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assertion of presidential power, whether actual or perceived, is how

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I think the White House was basically working for four years.

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Speaker 2: It's very messy, indeed, it is.

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Speaker 1: I will note though, you talk about executive orders, and

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you're right, President Trump can undo them. He's undone many

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of them. But we have this little resistance movement going

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on in the judiciary now that is making doing what

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the president has the constitutional authority to do, undo previous

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president's executive orders, making it a little bit more difficult.

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Does that raise the urgency of looking at those executive orders,

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particularly the ones that the courts have weighed in on

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rogue courts have weighed in on and tried to stop

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those executive orders from President Trump.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly.

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Speaker 3: Relevant, but in no real world should it be necessary,

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because right now, what's happening with this unconstitutional judicial supremacy

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that what we're seeing is they're trying to not allow

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Trump the present powers of the presidency, and so he

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shouldn't have to undo an executive order prove that Biden,

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you know, didn't have the capacity to sign the one

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of you over road.

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Speaker 2: He should be able to just do it.

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Speaker 3: That's the powers at a company the presidency that the

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people under a constitutional system give to the president. But

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the way the judicial branch, their rogue elements, which seem

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mull too powerful, operates as I understand it is. Their

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thinking is pretty simple. For the Biden years, the argument

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is you don't need a president to do anything. For

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the Trump years, it's the president's not allowed to do anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. Let's talk about those

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pardons you wrote on your ex account recently. I'll read

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a part of it. You say, there's a ton to

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be said on the Hunter Biden pardon, but for now,

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the real worrisome part about the undeniable fact that the

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first family, not just Hunter, was so flamboyantly corrupt, was

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that the entirety of the government legal and intelligence apparatus

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worked over time to let it go. And they did

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it for a very long time and turn themselves into

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pretzels to keep doing it again. In many ways they

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are still doing it that kind of resistance movement to

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protect the absentee landlord of Joe Biden goes on, how

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much of that will be playing out? Do you believe

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as the members the committee is in Congress and the

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Trump administration go through these investigations.

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Speaker 3: First off, you just made my day going back and

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reading my tweets. I'm glad somebody's reading them out there.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I remember that one because it goes to a key

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point I've been making over the years, and that is

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weaponization of government hasn't always been by acts of comission

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or actions. It is often by acts of o mission

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or failure to apps. To put it simply, it is

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throwing the book and going after Trump butter every looney

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theory you can for the last decade versus clear patterns

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of criminal misconduct that we're playing out as related to

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the Bidens and others that the FBI chose not too

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open on despite having the evidence put right in front

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of their face. I also think about the act of

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omission by not telling the country that the Hunter Biden

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laptop was authentic because they wanted to swing an election.

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need to fix is, you know, by nature of the

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omissions of the things they chose not to do, which

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I think makes Director of Patel and Deputy Director Bongino's

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job so much more difficult. It's easy to look at

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the bad things that the government and FBI did. It's

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harder to go back and figure out why they decided

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to lay down and let this, you know, let these

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long period of time. And I think that is when

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you think of it that way, you can't help it

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arrive at the conclusion that things with our federal government

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have gone really, really, really bad. The Bidens were nakedly corrupt,

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playing buoyantly, so millions and millions of dollars through you know,

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thirty plus shell companies to from foreign payments from people

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the saddest part is they didn't even have to pay

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a lot of money to do it. They you know,

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tens of millions of dollars to the Bidens was enough

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to purchase the First family. And then we saw a

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foreign policy that worked the benefit of both those countries

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and against the American interest in dramatic ways. And so

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when we think about reform, I think we have to

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accept that the problem really revolves not only around the

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bad things they did, but then also all the good

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things they could have done, but chows not to do.

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Speaker 1: You can do that in government. But I do believe

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that the sins of omission obviously extend into the acco

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compless media, corporate media, the provdpress, however you want to

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define it. But look at all of the many times

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that not only were they working over time to write

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stories bogus stories about bogus Russian collusion and you name

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the you know, the controversy du jour, but they also

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have omitted so much very important information, which is interesting

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when you think about the Washington Post, you know, haughty

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mission statement that democracy dies in darkness. They turned out

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the lights, did they not? In the accomplist media and

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all of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent, And they worked over time to

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discredit anyone who was pointing it out. And this is

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what really grinds my gears about Tapper and Thompson from.

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Speaker 2: CNN and Axios.

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Speaker 3: You basically have everyone knows Tapper was outrageously a stooge

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for the Bidens and no one's buying as acts. But

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some people are giving Axios and Thompson a little bit

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more credit saying that, well, Thompson had an article here

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and there that was critical of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: But no Axios.

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Speaker 3: You go back and you look, they didn't report anything

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on the CCP connection.

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Speaker 2: To the Bidens, which is terrifying.

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Speaker 3: That the intelligence community could basically be aware of yet

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do nothing about the elite capture of the First family.

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And I mean it's plain in his day and what

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they did with Hunter. And then also if you look

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at Axios reporting on Special counsel Her, they were terrible

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in the advent.

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Speaker 2: Of that too.

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Speaker 3: And here's what gets me doubly upset is that even

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Republicans think that Robert.

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Speaker 2: Hurr is some sort of hero in this timeline and story.

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He is not.

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Speaker 3: He went to investigates quote unquote, you know, I'm put

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scare quotes around investigat there Joe Biden's handling of classified information.

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What he came up with was a reporter that basically said,

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I found some things in a box there, something in

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the dridge there. Oh, by the way, Biden's old not

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charging him case. What her did not do and he

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should absolutely have done was investigate what Biden and his

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family was doing with the classified information over that period

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of time, how they were monetizing and trading that information.

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And I knew her was not going to do that,

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so I wrote him made letter during his investigation and said,

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here are the burner email addresses, the pseudonym emails that

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Biden was using. Here are the Burner's cell phone numbers.

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Go and pull those records and see what he was

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doing with the classified information. Her did not do that.

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He just wanted to open and close the book. And

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this country is suffering greatly from it because we deserve

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to know how much damage this family actually did in

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trading away our greatest treasures.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's important to note because you said and wrote

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this back well last month, but you had pointed that out.

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In fact, the Oversight Project pointed out an emergency court filing.

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In an emergency court filing on May seventeenth, that the

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alle audio clips of President Biden that exhibit his dramatic

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cognitive decline posted by Axios were edited and did not

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match the official transcript previously released to the Oversight Project

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in the lawsuit. This just one area involving the her tapes,

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the difficulty to get that information, finally get that information,

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and then once again the mismatch. It sounds like sixty

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minutes all over again. I mean, we just this has

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got to be an area of investigation too, does it not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very amateurish and messy. And how Axios

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handled the role out of the tape as a threshold matter,

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the White House should not have given the tape to Axios.

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Speaker 2: The White House.

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Speaker 3: Gave the tape that had been in litigation in otos

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for well over a year. We'd been negotiating with you OJ.

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Speaker 1: Now why did they Why did they give the tape

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to Axios? I mean, is it is beyond me that

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this is This is a president who fully understands just

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how complicit these accomplished media players are. That's why we

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call them the accomplished media. Why do they continue to

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reward some of these players for their bad acting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question that should be asked at

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the White House. I haven't gotten a, you know, a

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satisfactory answer. It helped them to sell their book, the

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demonetization of the cover up, which is what it is.

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And then not only that, you had us and others

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that the oversight project have been litigated and keeping this

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thing alive for a year. We spend a lot of

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money and a lot of time keeping this in court,

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negotiating with the Trump Department of Justice in good faith,

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only to have the rug pulled on us that Friday evening.

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Speaker 2: But it hurts the White House.

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Speaker 3: It hurt the Trump administration too, because Axios released it

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at the dead you know, the worst time you can

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release something, Friday nights. Yeah, at like six pm this

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thing came out. I was in the food court of

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the mall with my kids when the phone came out.

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I couldn't believe it. I said some words a and

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have said that counter getting our happy meals. I was

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so upset, But suffice it to say, you know, Axious

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release limited kind of controlled demolition, so it's late, it

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won't get as much media play. And then they give

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the Biden administration a talking point because they chopped up

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the audio to make Biden sound worse and they didn't

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need to do that. He sounded bad enough already. And

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that was all the Biden camp was saying all weekend.

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Is acxious, you know the bath Fate actors, and had

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we gotten the tape, we would have presented it neutraally,

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we wouldn't have needed to embellish it or.

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Speaker 2: Selectively edited it. And that's that's how it all ended up.

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And it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the words that you uttered at that

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food court have been uttered many times in the food

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courts I have been to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mague, you should be.

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Speaker 1: I have heard those expressions on many occasions in multiple

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food courts around this country, that's for sure. But I

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can imagine that. I mean, I've I won't go into

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the details, but you know, an open records request into

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the Department of Justice working on a story that was

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covered up by the Biden administration, and they end up

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releasing the full details of that information, even though we've

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been fighting in court for the last two years. You know,

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to a source that you know may or may not

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have the best interest of getting out the full information.

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This unfortunately has happened too often in this administration, and

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you're right, somebody needs to tell someone, Hey, this doesn't

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do you and it doesn't do the American public any good.

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Our guest today is Mike Howell, president of the Oversight Project,

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a key player and uncovering the Biden auto pen scandal

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on the point of the auto pen and these many, many,

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record number of pardons back to Hunter Biden. Were you

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surprised at all, Mike, to find that Hunter Biden, who

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has been pardoned for crimes that he may have committed

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and crimes that he certainly did commit. Are you surprised

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that his favorite prostitute is now facing manslaughter charges in

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Las Vegas?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I saw that, you know, flash across the X feed

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earlier today, and I had to laugh a little bit.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 3: That's the cast of characters he threw in with for

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for quite a long time. I think, you know, the

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Biden family really was one of the unclassiest, if that's

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even a word. I should should should know that families

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that we've ever seen, and it's not just Hunter. I

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think Hunter gets a lot of the bad rap because

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he deserves it. But it's kind of the pattern in practice.

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If you look at the Biden family and the origins

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of you know, Jill and Joe's marriage, Joe was a

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campaign aid for Joe, she was married, Joe broke up

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her marriage, YEP. I mean this is kind of the

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way they've acted for for just decades. And no, I'm

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not surprised. Nothing they could do could could surprise me.

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And so it's not only their kind of moral crime,

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they're real sleazy behavior. Yeah, regard for you know, the

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American interest over sustained period of time, with how their

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power for personal profit and the deep embarrassment. Think of

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the embarrassment they've done to the United States historically. The

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entire world knows that, you know, we hold ourselves out

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to be this advanced democracy or constitutional republic, whatever you

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want to call it. We'll call it what it is,

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a constitutional republic. But they just prove to the world

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that it doesn't even operate how we says it should

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in the text of our found documents. You can have

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the United States of America without a president and that

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that is deeply damaging to our reputation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, and you know, I it's a bit just

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noting the unsavory characters that Hunter Biden, and let's face it,

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the Biden family have surrounded themselves with over many many years.

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But you know, whatever this this prostitute in Las Vegas

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is facing. The point is is that Hunter Biden is

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a is a character who has obviously all kinds of

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moral flaws, but he's also a criminal. He also committed crimes,

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and now he can never be held accountable for those

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crimes that we know that he committed. There are a

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lot of other crimes that you've been talking about, and

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the Federalist has been reporting on for a long time

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that Hunter Biden looks like he has some serious culpability

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and he can't based on the last minute pardon, the

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last days of the Biden administration, he can't be held

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accountable for that. The other Biden family members can't be

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held accountable. Adam Schiff can't be held accountable. If all

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of this stands, the issue is did Joe Biden really

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have the wherewithal to put together those partners?

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Speaker 3: That's one hundred scent right. It is a question of

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political will, and the country wants accountability. They want to

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know that wrongs can be righted and people who abuse

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their powers and break the laws will be treated like

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everybody else. And I'm here to say and the point

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of this investigation is we think they can.

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Speaker 2: We know they can.

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Speaker 3: That's why we're putting it out so publicly, and not

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only the investigative of it all in the facts and

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the findings, but also the legal theories on us to

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exactly how to go about prosecuting these things and all

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the associated constitutional arguments and even the historical importance of it.

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Speaker 2: So it can be done.

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Speaker 3: It's a question of whether there's a political will for

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it to be done. I don't doubt President Trump wants

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it to be done. He brings it up nearly every

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single day. So let's get it done. And Ed Martin

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and part of an attorney there's no better single human

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to being at that spot than him. And then you

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also have the House and Senate they could ship into.

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But I think really the balls in the court of

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the administration.

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Speaker 1: What do you think this investigation is ultimately going to

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find some of the details that you've looked into, that

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you've been fighting for, some of the information you have obtained.

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What do you think the Trump administration investigation and the

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congressional investigations will ultimately find.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to find out who was running the

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White House and who was the president. But moreover, I

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think they're going to really open American's eyes to how

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politics really works in terms of, you know, the principal

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elected officials not always the one holding the power. There's

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a lot of money in politics. There are a lot

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of influences that weigh on people, and basically the individual

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that we elect is more so an entity. And I

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think it's going to shake kind of people's understanding of

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how our system.

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Speaker 2: Of guard it actually works.

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Speaker 3: And I hope that that starts to a national conversation

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to get back to what should be as a country.

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The problem is definitely the most profound with Joe Biden

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being complete and capacitated presidents. It's a matter of degree

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to to a certain extent that this exists in other

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parts of the governmental apparatus. It's been taken over by

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so much in special interest and you know, foreign corruption

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and pay to play schemes and insider trading and so

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what I want and is the same thing which I

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think everyone in this country wants, is just a fundamental reform.

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I mean, you look at the trust in these governmental

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institutions that we have. It's in the tank for a reason.

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So let's admit the problem we haven't and fix it.

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Speaker 1: We certainly lived through some very dire days in the

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Biden years. We want to talk about economically, our security,

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our border security, our national security, our image with the world,

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a lot of things, things that happened over the course

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of that time we all dealt with, we all felt,

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we all experienced. How much more do you believe will

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be coming out in the months ahead through some of

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these investigations and just hopefully some good reporting from some

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good journalists out there? I know a few, by the way,

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But how much more are we going to learn? How

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much more damage we didn't know about and some of

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the causes of the damage that we did so put.

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Speaker 2: It to you this way.

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Speaker 3: Us, as a bootique investigative in litigation operation in the

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nonprofit space, took it pretty dang far. We figured out

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pretty much every everything you could hope to figure out

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without the use.

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Speaker 2: Of legal process.

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Speaker 3: We're cooperating with all awful investigations the people who have

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the legal process to take it to the next level.

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We have mapped out exactly what questions should be asked

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with stone, should be turned over, and who should be

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brought in, and so I have no doubt that the

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roadmaps there. I have no doubt that the people at

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the roadmap right now will take it there and so

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a lot more can come out.

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Speaker 1: The battle has been raging for for some time Now

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we did have a you know, Republican controlled House. They

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have been stonewalled repeatedly on the Oversight Committee, Judiciary Committee,

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and elsewhere. How much longer can these Biden staffers, these

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Biden administration officials be able to hold out? And do

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you see a prolonged court battle over subpoenas and the like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they're absolutely Well, that's why it's important that people

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act with urgency within the government. Now there will be

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assertions of executive privilege, which the Trump White House can wait.

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There'll be other ways to drag certain subpoenas into court.

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So inherently this system we'll delay some of this, which

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is why you got to get the ball moving, you

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know yesterday. It needs to go and needs to go

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very very fast. Ultimately, though, I think like what could

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craftis open is politically like people don't have a reason

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to lie for Joe Biden anymore. You certainly see that

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a must elected Democrats who are trying to get as

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far away from Biden as possible and admit, yeah, we

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kind of knew something was wrong, but we were mostly

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lied to. You're gonna have staffers that might you know,

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potentially drawn or pulled in front of a grand jury.

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They might not have occasion or reason or want to

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lie to cover for Joe Biden or whoever else, And

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so I'd encourage them come clean. Like the only one

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who's gonna be mad at you is going to be

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Joe Biden and his hanger on, and they're pretty much

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political kryptonite even in the history books right now. So

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like the country would appreciate some honesty.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it is a matter of shining a

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light and some dark places on some rats and once

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the first couple of rats start screwing, the rest will

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and you will get the swamp talking. Or does the

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swamp double down not to save Joe Biden necessarily, but

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to save the swamp?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what we tend to see in these

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I prefer the term controlled demolition, which is what they

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basically tried doing with Biden and the audio tape and

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the cancer, you know, And now it's about just like

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doing as little damage to the entire possible by letting

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Joe Biden ball. And so I think that control demolition

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of Biden failed because this isn't going away. So some

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people may try to limit the spread of you know,

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the destruction here or exposure, but not if you know

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the lights shines bright and stays on.

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Speaker 1: All right, And I'm gonna ask you the ultimate question

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that our readers have been asking for a long time.

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This is arguably the biggest question they've been asking for

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a long time, certainly over the last four plus years

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or the previous four plus years. Will anybody ever be

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held accountable? Will anybody go to jail for the I

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think if you don't even have to say, arguably the

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greatest political presidential political cover up of in our history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't promise something that I myself can't can't deliver,

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but I'll tell you this, we wouldn't have taken We

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wouldn't have built the oversight project from scratch with the

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support of the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 2: We're now a new independent and city.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't have hired the type of people we've hired

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to go away from other walks of life, built the

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thing we built and focus it on this if we

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didn't think that.

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Speaker 2: That would happen.

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Speaker 3: And so that's a long len saying I can't promise it,

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but I'm building my entire professional life, in my team's

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life around doing everything we possibly can to make sure

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it does happen.

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Speaker 1: And out of the food court too, you know, nothing

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but trouble happens there. Final go Yeah, no, I know it.

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I can't resist the Teriaki dre, that's for sure. Just

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final question for you about the Oversight Project. As you mentioned,

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it's something that you had been with the Heritage for

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quite some time. What is the over project? The Oversight Project?

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How was it built in?

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Speaker 2: Where?

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Speaker 1: Where do you go from here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So i'd six great years at Heritage. They incubated the

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Oversight Project. Let me let me start this thing up.

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It grew immensely, and it grew so fast, frankly, that

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we had to kind of restructure the bones and spin

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it off as its own new independent entity with the

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support Roberts and the Heritage Fan Foundation, which we're super

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grateful for because we have a lot of places to go,

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people to sue, and so it needs to have the

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right legal kind of structure to be able to do that.

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And so what we plan on doing is the same

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kind of thing we've been doing before. We're going to

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see through these scandals of previous years in DC, and

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then we're going to start suing Blue States for things

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we think they need to.

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Speaker 2: Be sued for.

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Speaker 3: We have a large legal appetite, and so we will

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be in the legal version of the food courts here

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pretty soon, core rooms across the country.

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Speaker 1: I love that the legal version of the food courts.

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I was just going to ask you, we have seen

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so much lawfare from the left is turn about fair play?

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Speaker 3: Yes, although I don't like that expression. It's just justice, right,

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it's non retribution. It's they broke the law and they

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should be held accountable. That's pretty much the end to it.

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Point A to point B, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Lawfair has been used by the left for

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all manner of things, and we've seen it over the

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last the better part of the last decade in unprecedented ways.

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We certainly saw it long before Joe Biden got there.

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We saw it with the Obama administration, and a lot

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of us believe that the Biden years were simply, you know,

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the third term of Barack Obama and his acolytes. It

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is interesting to see, though, the good work that folks

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like the Oversight Project are doing, and I hope that

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it continues to bear fruits. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate this all on with this, they do lawfair.

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What we do I call lawed cair We're making it right.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Thanks to my guest today for joining

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us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Radio Hour,

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Mike Howell, who is president of the Oversight Project, a

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key player in uncovering the Biden auto pen scandal. They

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continue to do great work on that front. You've been

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listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm

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Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be

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back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom

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and anxious for the first I heard the fame voice

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the Reason, and then it faded away. H