Speaker 1: Seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in four the Great American
Speaker 1: Willie Cunningham today and leave next Wednesday as well open bills.
Speaker 1: Wherever he is, he's relaxing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe with this weather getting a little better, maybe he
Speaker 1: gets to get out on the golf course. But I
Speaker 1: appreciate him giving me the opportunity to do his show.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, it's been a hell of a Christmas.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really has for me. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're listening. Yesterday I took a trip to Mexico
Speaker 1: and came back with a little bit of a case
Speaker 1: of Montezuma's revenge. I'm getting over it, but Christmas was
Speaker 1: kind of a blur. But boy, it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: It was fun.
Speaker 1: I do not regret going in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: A lot of things that want to cover today. I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you first about maybe you've heard
Speaker 1: about it. Rand Paul sent it to Rand Paul from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Every year he does his what he refers to as
Speaker 1: the Festivus Report, and it kind of looks at government
Speaker 1: spending and specifically wasteful government spending with a little bit
Speaker 1: of a humor.
Speaker 2: To it.
Speaker 1: Although, boy, when you hear this some of them, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna find it too funny because it's not.
Speaker 1: Despite its origins, the Festivus Report, it became synonymous with
Speaker 1: wasteful government spending, especially the millions and millions of bucks
Speaker 1: that are just spent on stupid stuff.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 1: He discovered over a trillion dollars in government waste in
Speaker 1: this year's report. Now think about that, a trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of money and waiting you hear
Speaker 1: some of these stupid things. This is the best one, though,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to cut to the chase here on
Speaker 1: the first one, well, you know, no, I want to
Speaker 1: preface it first, though. The senator highlighted shocking facts regarding
Speaker 1: government spending, which included predictions from the Congressional Budget Office
Speaker 1: that the country will add over six point four billion
Speaker 1: dollars of debt every single day for the next ten years,
Speaker 1: borrowing over two hundred and sixty eight million every hour,
Speaker 1: four point five million every second, and over seventy excuse me,
Speaker 1: every minute, and over seventy four thousand every second. And
Speaker 1: you know what, folks, we can't sustain that I mean,
Speaker 1: we just can't. And I gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 1: some of this is Republican spending as well. Somebody's got
Speaker 1: to get a hold of this stuff because it might
Speaker 1: not be us, but it's gonna be. If it's not us,
Speaker 1: it's going to be our kids or our grandkids that
Speaker 1: are gonna be looking at a second depression or recession
Speaker 1: in this country. It's just at some point somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay the bill.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Looking at what ran Paul found, this one is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: How about spending federal doe your dough taxpayers dollars for
Speaker 1: an ice skating drag queens for a climate change event?
Speaker 1: Ice skating drag Queens for climate Change. He revealed that
Speaker 1: the government provided funds for a drag queen ice skating
Speaker 1: performance warning about the dangers of climate change. The National
Speaker 1: Endowment for the Yards gave the It's Called It's called
Speaker 1: the Bearded Ladies Cabaret in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, ten thousand bucks
Speaker 1: for its beard on ice performance on climate change alarmism.
Speaker 1: The artistic director for the self described Queer Cabinet Arts
Speaker 1: organization provided the following statement regarding the performance and the
Speaker 1: statement I think is even worse. Okay, here's what the
Speaker 1: dude who is responsible for this thing said. It is
Speaker 1: so impossible the issue of climate change and climate anxiety
Speaker 1: right now, almost as impossible as drag queens learning how
Speaker 1: to ice skate. So if we can get these drag
Speaker 1: queens to ice skate, maybe, just maybe we can solve
Speaker 1: the climate crisis. Now, assuming there even is a climate crisis,
Speaker 1: how do drag queens on ice skates help to save it?
Speaker 1: I mean that really is incredible. This is our money
Speaker 1: that they're spending. And you know what, I've asked this
Speaker 1: question a number of times, and I want to hear
Speaker 1: from all of you today too. Seven four nine seven.
Speaker 1: The big one are the numbers. What is the left
Speaker 1: obsession with drag queens? I don't get it. They gotta
Speaker 1: make drag queens a part of every not every, but
Speaker 1: darn near every kind of event. They have, So ten
Speaker 1: thousand bucks down the toilet for ice skating, drag queens
Speaker 1: for climate change, all right? Coming in at number two
Speaker 1: millions of dollars on border security. Now you might be
Speaker 1: axing yourself. What's wrong with that? We got a problem
Speaker 1: down on the border. Well, the problem with it is.
Speaker 1: It's millions of dollars for border security for not the
Speaker 1: United States of America, but Paraguay. Let me just read
Speaker 1: this little clip. The Festivals report also found that the
Speaker 1: State Department spent two point one million dollars on border
Speaker 1: security for Paraguay. This is particularly troubling because it meant
Speaker 1: the US government gave millions of dollars to another country
Speaker 1: for border security while ignoring the many failures and problems
Speaker 1: along the US border. So it's just it boggles the mind. Really,
Speaker 1: we got a border problem. Everybody knows that it's at
Speaker 1: the acute point now, and thank goodness, in about thirty
Speaker 1: days we're going to get some relief. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here watching Fox News. I don't have to sound up obviously,
Speaker 1: and he Trump is still saying he's going to start
Speaker 1: the deportations on day one. I don't know how he
Speaker 1: does that, but border security for Paraguay. You know, I
Speaker 1: saw something else to this week that I guess Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, presumably on his orders, although who knows
Speaker 1: what he knows. They are selling the remnants and apparently
Speaker 1: there's pretty much of it of the border wall that
Speaker 1: President Trump wanted to put up in his first term.
Speaker 1: They're just selling it and he knows damn well that
Speaker 1: Trump is going to finish the wall or get as
Speaker 1: close to it as he can. So we're selling it
Speaker 1: for pennies on the dollar, and you know President Trump's
Speaker 1: going to come in and I guess we'll have to
Speaker 1: spend more money on it. But that's just what the
Speaker 1: government does. You'll love this one too. It's titled Rats,
Speaker 1: Cocaine and Loneliness.
Speaker 2: We can't have lonely rats.
Speaker 1: The Festivus report identified a government study in which researchers
Speaker 1: injected rats with cocaine to analyze the impact of the
Speaker 1: drug's addiction. The Department of Health and Human Services spent
Speaker 1: four hundred and nineteen thousand dollars four hundred nineteen thousand
Speaker 1: bucks of your money to determine if lonely rats quote
Speaker 1: sought cocaine at a greater frequency than happy rats who
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to know that. These funds were used by
Speaker 1: researchers to observe and see if rats placed in positive
Speaker 1: environments would be more likely to abstain from cocaine than
Speaker 1: rats in negative and isolating environments. Hundreds of thousand dollars later.
Speaker 1: The results were predictable as what one might suspect. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we got to take care of our rat population.
Speaker 1: We don't want them lonely. This one doesn't surprise me
Speaker 1: at all. You know, you talk about the last I
Speaker 1: don't know, five six, seven years or so, probably the
Speaker 1: area where the most money was just blown and wasted
Speaker 1: is with respect to the pandemic relief. And there were
Speaker 1: a lot of people legitimately who needed pandemic relief. But
Speaker 1: the stories are coming in now, and they have been
Speaker 1: really for a couple of years now, of the huge
Speaker 1: amount of waste that came from just doling out this money.
Speaker 1: Listen to this using pandemic relief funds to buy an island.
Speaker 1: The report identified the misdeeds of a Florida businessman who
Speaker 1: reportedly used COVID nineteen relief funds to purchase Sweetheart Island.
Speaker 1: And Sweetheart Island is off the coast of Florida. Well,
Speaker 1: the government thankfully investigated that purchase and found out that
Speaker 1: the swindler used funds obtained from pandemic assistance to quote
Speaker 1: help finance the island purchase close quote, according to reports.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean think about it.
Speaker 1: The guy apparently they're talking plural, not single, so there
Speaker 1: is a number of payments to him. I guess wouldn't
Speaker 1: you think they would have done some perfunctory investigation into
Speaker 1: this guy on the front end of it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: this guy received seven point eight mili in an emergency
Speaker 1: pandemic aid by submitting over thirty deceitful applications. Here's a
Speaker 1: good news, folks. He was eventually busted, convicted for his crimes,
Speaker 1: and sentenced to over five and a half years in
Speaker 1: federal prison, and he agreed to return the seven point
Speaker 1: eight million dollars in eight he returned. Now, let me
Speaker 1: tell you, is a guy that practices federal criminal law
Speaker 1: that that's just a standard thing that a court does,
Speaker 1: is order restitution, getting restitution out of people. That's a
Speaker 1: whole different ball game, just a couple more of them here.
Speaker 1: You know, I played pick a ball couple of times.
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: But listen to this, your tax dollars, millions of dollars
Speaker 1: spent on a picketball court in Las Vegas. With all
Speaker 1: the money flying around in Las Vegas, the Festivus Report
Speaker 1: revealed that the Department of the Interior spend twelve million
Speaker 1: bucks to build a thirty court pickaball complex in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: The city hoped to use these courts to host high
Speaker 1: profile tournaments and eventually put Las Vegas out on the
Speaker 1: global Pickaball map. So, like I said, I like pickleball,
Speaker 1: but we don't need to be spending twelve million bucks
Speaker 1: in a place that is teaming with money for pickleball.
Speaker 1: One of the other ones, billions of dollars spent on
Speaker 1: nearly empty office buildings doesn't surprise me a bit, you know,
Speaker 1: with the work from home thing in downtown Cincinnati here
Speaker 1: and I lived down here during the pandemic, and man,
Speaker 1: people fled downtown like crazy.
Speaker 2: In the office buildings too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about the government buildings, but
Speaker 1: a lot of these people aren't coming back. So the
Speaker 1: government spends all this money on empty office buildings. So
Speaker 1: go figure, Go figure. I did want to talk about
Speaker 1: something else. We got a little bit of time to
Speaker 1: do this. I talked about this a little bit yesterday
Speaker 1: but really kind of flew through it, and I kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to talk about it a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And this was a survey in Axios about what happens
Speaker 1: to families during the holiday season when they are divided
Speaker 1: and in some cases, I mean really divided over politics
Speaker 1: and probably more specifically the presidential election. And you know what,
Speaker 1: and I shared this yesterday. I'll share it with you all.
Speaker 1: It's something I'm dealing with in my family and it's
Speaker 1: a real thing. And I looked into it, and there
Speaker 1: are a lot of families dealing with it. And this
Speaker 1: Axios report says why it matters. And there's a guy,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Robert Jones. He's a president and founder
Speaker 1: of the Public Religion Research Institute. They conducted the survey,
Speaker 1: and he says it may be tense around the Hanukkah
Speaker 1: and Christmas table. Well, I think that's probably an understatement
Speaker 1: by the numbers. And I don't think this will surprise
Speaker 1: you at all. It doesn't surprise me one bit. Democrats
Speaker 1: are much more likely to view Republicans to view the
Speaker 1: Republican Party as a serious threat to the country than
Speaker 1: they were in twenty and sixteen before Trump was elected
Speaker 1: fifty percent in twenty sixteen, that's eighty one percent.
Speaker 2: Now. Republicans are right beyond them.
Speaker 1: Also more likely to view the Democrat Party as a
Speaker 1: serious threat sixty percent back in twenty sixteen, sixty nine
Speaker 1: percent in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: The disparity here. Well, here, here's the other one. This
Speaker 1: is probably the important one. Let me give you this one. Okay.
Speaker 2: The question was.
Speaker 1: People who say they will reduce time with the family
Speaker 1: over the holidays due to political differences. And this is
Speaker 1: a survey of fifty seven hundred adults, so it's a
Speaker 1: it's a good sample size people who said they're going
Speaker 1: to reduce time with family due to political differences. Let
Speaker 1: me just read this to you all. Voters twelve independence
Speaker 1: eleven percent and only five percent of Republicans say that
Speaker 1: Democrats slash lives. Twenty three percent, almost a fourth of
Speaker 1: them say that they're not going to spend time with
Speaker 1: some family members or friends because of their political beliefs.
Speaker 1: And probably nine out of ten of them, it's about
Speaker 1: voting for Trump or not voting for Trump. I think
Speaker 1: voting for Trump is more likely. And you know what
Speaker 1: that tells me. And I've said this, everybody's sick of
Speaker 1: me saying it, but it just shows the arrogance of liberalism.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm dealing with it. It's like
Speaker 1: my opinion is so important that you know, screw you, dad, mom, brother, whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend any time with you for
Speaker 1: who you voted for. Guess what, that ain't right? It
Speaker 1: really isn't. But it's ah no, I'm gonna unfortunately that
Speaker 1: a lot of families are dealing with anyway. I got
Speaker 1: to take a break for the news. But if you
Speaker 1: went away in seven four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the big one are the numbers. Mike Allen in for
Speaker 1: Willy seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back, Mike Allen in
Speaker 1: for the Great American Willie Cunningham. Got a great show
Speaker 1: for you today at one o'clock. Just coming up in studio,
Speaker 1: we are going to have doctor Jed Hardings. He is
Speaker 1: the president of Cincinnati Classical Academy. I'll tell you what, folks,
Speaker 1: I talked to him. We had him on the Saturday Show.
Speaker 1: I believe it was in the summer. You wouldn't believe
Speaker 1: what they are doing. It's a charter school based on
Speaker 1: the Bassical approach to education. And you know, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of success stories in primary education these days.
Speaker 1: This is one of them. You will definitely want to
Speaker 1: hear doctor Hardings. And two o'clock we're going to talk
Speaker 1: to our friend Peter Bronson. He's got a new book,
Speaker 1: Promised Land, How the Midwest Was Won. Peter is always
Speaker 1: a great guest, and we'll be talking to him at
Speaker 1: two o'clock. But before we broke, we were talking about
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about it just a little
Speaker 1: bit more about the situation where you know they not's
Speaker 1: just the holidays, but that's where it seems to come
Speaker 1: to a head. Where you have somebody in your family,
Speaker 1: family member, even close friends, anything like that that don't
Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with you because of
Speaker 1: your political beliefs or who you voted for. It's insane
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but if you look at it, it's
Speaker 1: happening around the country. I just want to give you
Speaker 1: this poll results. Again. We'll talk about something else, but
Speaker 1: this was almost fifty eight hundred adults. The poll is
Speaker 1: Conect conducted November eighth, December the second, and the question
Speaker 1: is will you reduce time with family due to your
Speaker 1: political differences? Democrats twenty three percent, Republicans five percent. The
Speaker 1: only thing that surprises me about that that it's not
Speaker 1: more because again it speaks to the arrogance of the left.
Speaker 1: They're right about anything and everything, and by god, they're
Speaker 1: not going to listen to you. And if you don't
Speaker 1: agree with them, the hell with you. But I looked
Speaker 1: into it a little bit further, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what this is. Kind of like you can't judge book
Speaker 1: by its cover. I found an article it's called dealing
Speaker 1: with Politically Different Families this Holiday, and it was in
Speaker 1: in a magazine, an online magazine called Black Life Forever.
Speaker 1: Kind of looked into them a little bit, very very
Speaker 1: liberal group. However, having said that, man, they are right
Speaker 1: on the money on this, I mean right on the
Speaker 1: money and it shows no bias either way whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: that's what you want in something like this. And they
Speaker 1: have four tips, four tips to deal with this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I just wanted to tell you what they were,
Speaker 1: just briefly. Number one, and again, this is something that
Speaker 1: I hope the other side's listening to. Number one suggestion,
Speaker 1: be empathetic. Now if you are politically astute, or you
Speaker 1: don't even really have to be, if you've been watching
Speaker 1: things a lot of empathy in your modern liberal there's
Speaker 1: just not well anyway, The article says that when having
Speaker 1: conversations with family members who believe differently than you do,
Speaker 1: remember to offer your own explanations and beliefs with kindness.
Speaker 1: And they've got this in brackets, not moral superiority. Are
Speaker 1: you listening liberals? Not moral superiority? And goes on to say,
Speaker 1: and listen to their reasoning, which could reveal the motivations
Speaker 1: behind their political choices. And again, that's hard or almost
Speaker 1: impossible to do with people on the left because they
Speaker 1: know everything. Okay. Second tip is share your perspective. Be
Speaker 1: straightforward about the facts, the figures, and the history that
Speaker 1: help you come to your own conclusion. Share films and
Speaker 1: books that will show your family members that they may
Speaker 1: not know of yet.
Speaker 2: So you know what.
Speaker 1: Again, you can try, and in my personal situation I have,
Speaker 1: it doesn't always work, but it's I think it's still
Speaker 1: a good suggestion, all right. Number three, protect yourself? And
Speaker 1: you probably say, what do you mean protect yourself? This
Speaker 1: suggestion goes on to point out that no one should
Speaker 1: feel any guilt or shame for not spending this time
Speaker 1: with relatives. I don't know that I agree with that,
Speaker 1: even if it's only that your discussions about politics in particular,
Speaker 1: cannot remain civil, set boundaries and feel free to let
Speaker 1: your family know you are not comfortable with the conversation.
Speaker 1: Well there again, I think in a lot of situations
Speaker 1: you just say, hey, look we don't agree on this,
Speaker 1: We're never going to agree on this. Let's just chuck
Speaker 1: it and forget about it and talk about something else.
Speaker 1: Great suggestion, Not sure it works with and it's not
Speaker 1: all people on the left, but I would dare to
Speaker 1: say the majority.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Last one, and this is the best one.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: The number four suggestion is the personal is political, but
Speaker 1: family is forever. Let me read that again, the personal
Speaker 1: is political, but family is forever. And it goes on
Speaker 1: to say, I'm this is the author. I'm of the
Speaker 1: opinion that every bit of life is political, shaped bar
Speaker 1: by our social and cultural beliefs about what is good
Speaker 1: and acceptable. However, using family members who believe differently but
Speaker 1: are otherwise kind and consistently present in your life is
Speaker 1: not worth any sort of moral crusade or feeling of superiority.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: Truer words were never spoken, And I guess I got
Speaker 1: to take back one thing I said, putting it on
Speaker 1: pretty hard on the left. Again, I'm assuming and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm right. The author of this article is
Speaker 1: probably to the left as much as I am to
Speaker 1: the right, but man, he is on the money with this.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I wanted to share this with you. I've
Speaker 1: talked to a number of people that are dealing with it,
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully that may be just a little
Speaker 1: bit helpful. Hey, let's do this. Let's take a short
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back. And got a couple of
Speaker 1: callers here. I want to hear what they have to
Speaker 1: say if you want to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: Seven four nine, seven, eight hundred one are the numbers.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back. Mike Allen
Speaker 1: in for Bill Cunningham today and next Wednesday as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before we broke, we were talking about dealing with political
Speaker 1: differences with family members. We're close friends during the holiday season,
Speaker 1: and it's something that's happening a lot. And if you're
Speaker 1: interested in it, you know, just google it and it'll
Speaker 1: come up, you know, And it's not really surprised when
Speaker 1: you think about it. We are so divided in this country,
Speaker 1: we really are, so no one should be surprised by it.
Speaker 1: But again I have to point out that the poll
Speaker 1: that I read now four times more they said democrats
Speaker 1: and I'll just call them liberals. Four times more liberals
Speaker 1: than Republicans say that they ain't going to spend time
Speaker 1: with a family member because of their political beliefs, and
Speaker 1: that should surprise no one. And again, like I said,
Speaker 1: the only surprise in that that it is not more
Speaker 1: because liberals, and you know, I'm generalizing here, but I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable generalizing. They think they know everything, they think their
Speaker 1: views are superior, they think that we are Neanderthals. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to Wayne in Franklin about it. Hey, Wayne,
Speaker 1: how you.
Speaker 2: Doing doing great?
Speaker 1: Mike, great show, as always, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm in one of these situations. Half my family's Democrat
Speaker 3: has Republican.
Speaker 1: I'm a Trumpster.
Speaker 3: They all know it. Christmas Eve, we're all at my
Speaker 3: aunt's house, and of course one of my cousins comes
Speaker 3: over and he goes, well, you're ready for this to
Speaker 3: be the world to come to an end? Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is going to be the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 3: He goes, you think Trump can make this world great?
Speaker 3: I'm like, who said anything about Trump, So Daddy Reds
Speaker 3: win the World Series this year and the look on
Speaker 3: his face, you know what what?
Speaker 1: And that's the way, that's the way they look at things.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just kind of confined to their narrow beliefs.
Speaker 1: And your point is a good one, Wayne, Like you said,
Speaker 1: the Reds could win the World Series, or god forbid,
Speaker 1: the Bengals could win the Super Bowl. But you know,
Speaker 1: they're just narrowly focused on their own beliefs.
Speaker 3: I know it's ridiculous, it really really is.
Speaker 2: And you have to watch.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got you know, the mega hat the
Speaker 3: Mega T shirts, right, I don't you know, I cut
Speaker 3: my grass in them. I don't get out in public
Speaker 3: with them because you never know who's just going to
Speaker 3: come home up and start ranting and raving.
Speaker 1: Well, and I understand that. I'm certain that you're not
Speaker 1: the only one with that. And you know what the
Speaker 1: thing is, I think Trump is a different person and
Speaker 1: he's going to be a different president than he was
Speaker 1: first time. Not that he was not good the first time.
Speaker 1: He was. He did everything he said he was gonna do,
Speaker 1: kind of got screwed by COVID. But my point is,
Speaker 1: why don't they at least. Wait, I mean, give it
Speaker 1: a year. Hell, give it sixty ninety days. But no
Speaker 1: matter what I mean, Donald J. Trump, if there was
Speaker 1: a burning building and there were one hundred babies in
Speaker 1: that building and Donald Trump ran in and rescued ninety
Speaker 1: nine of them, they'd condemn him for not rescuing the
Speaker 1: last one. It's just the way it is with these people.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just listening this morning. They're condemning Hamme
Speaker 3: and the Swami.
Speaker 1: And Eli Musk.
Speaker 3: It's some kind of visa you can get if you're
Speaker 3: highly educated.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see four foreigners right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well therefore, but you have to have like a
Speaker 3: bachelor's a group degree and a doctorate's degree. That way
Speaker 3: you can actually come to this company or come to
Speaker 3: this country and work at a company.
Speaker 2: You have three years.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I don't know if that's been
Speaker 1: done before, but I believe in prior years you do
Speaker 1: have to demonstrate how you can help the country.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been done a lot, but a lot of
Speaker 3: Democrats have amused it. Oh, firing the American workers making
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year and bringing
Speaker 3: in this guy from India and paying in sixty thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: There's so much in today's politics that just make no
Speaker 1: sense whatsoever.
Speaker 2: All Right, well, hey, thanks for taking my call. Mind
Speaker 2: new Year, Okay, you too appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what. It's a conundrum. It really is.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think Trump's going to be
Speaker 1: different this time. And I want to make it clear
Speaker 1: I had no problem with the way he was the
Speaker 1: first time. You know, he's one of the few presidents really,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, left right democratic Republican who
Speaker 1: did virtually everything he said he was going to do.
Speaker 1: The one thing that he wasn't able to do was
Speaker 1: of course, getting rid of Obamacare because of John McCain.
Speaker 1: He missed it by one vote. And it's really hard
Speaker 1: to ask anything more out of an elected official, and
Speaker 1: it's extremely rare when that happens. And I would venture
Speaker 1: to guess that but for COVID, he'd be leaving his
Speaker 1: second term of office and not being the Grover Cleveland
Speaker 1: of the modern age and serve a term, lose and
Speaker 1: come back and win a term. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's too much. It's just too much to ask of progressives, liberals,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the hell they want to call it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, on that, I've always kind of
Speaker 1: wondered why why they changed their kind of identification, if
Speaker 1: you will, from liberal to progressive. And I think that happened,
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten fifteen years ago. I think there's
Speaker 1: such a negative connotation to the word liberal from not
Speaker 1: all but most Americans that they wanted to get away
Speaker 1: from that. And I'll tell you after the debacle, the
Speaker 1: absolute debacle we have had for the last four years,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that, hopefully a little
Speaker 1: later after that. I mean, I don't know why they're
Speaker 1: not running for the hills, because they ran this country
Speaker 1: into the ground, right straight into the ground. And thank
Speaker 1: god Donald Trump, a Republican Senate, and hopefully the Republican
Speaker 1: House of Representatives can stick together to make some real
Speaker 1: changes in this country because we have to do it.
Speaker 1: We have to do it. You know. I said before,
Speaker 1: I'll say it again that last election was the most
Speaker 1: important election, the most impactful election of my lifetime. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I ain't no spring chicken, and
Speaker 1: I meant that, I really do. And I think everything's
Speaker 1: lining up right for him. One thing that really urinates
Speaker 1: me off and here we go again with it, is
Speaker 1: what's happening in the House with certain members of the
Speaker 1: House that just apparently don't know how to count. You know,
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan said one time, and he was the master
Speaker 1: of this. I forget exactly what it was, but the
Speaker 1: point he was making. Somebody was giving him grief about
Speaker 1: not heeding to one hundred percent some conservative position that
Speaker 1: he took, and he said something like, hey, look, if
Speaker 1: I can get three fourths of what I want, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't I take it? Point being with these Congress members, look,
Speaker 1: I mean there are going to be changes. They don't
Speaker 1: need to be making it any harder for Mike Johnson,
Speaker 1: the speaker. I think he has done an outstanding job,
Speaker 1: and it looks like he's going to keep his job.
Speaker 1: You know, we're now driving the damn car. I mean
Speaker 1: we are. It's us. We got everything House if they
Speaker 1: can keep it together, set it strong majority there President obviously,
Speaker 1: and although it's not political, but of course the liberals
Speaker 1: wanted to and still do want to make it political.
Speaker 1: We have a conservative Supreme Court, so the balls in
Speaker 1: our court, and that's not to say that they can't
Speaker 1: throw roadblocks up against us, but it's our turn to
Speaker 1: drive the bus, and we can't be having this kind
Speaker 1: of bickering. And I get it, I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: These Congress people who are kind of contrarians, if you will,
Speaker 1: they're very, very concerned about the budget deficit. Guess what,
Speaker 1: so am I you just heard me read those statistics
Speaker 1: in ran Paul's report. At some point, we're going to
Speaker 1: have to pay the price. However, goodness gracious, let us
Speaker 1: get in control for a while and hope that it
Speaker 1: gets better. And again, I think everybody would agree that's
Speaker 1: just not a Democrat problem. The deficit. We did the
Speaker 1: same thing. And you know what a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know this. The last time we had a balanced budget.
Speaker 1: Guess it was President Bill Clinton. I forget what year
Speaker 1: it was, but you know, I wasn't really paying attention.
Speaker 1: I was shocked when I heard that. So, no matter
Speaker 1: how bad it is, I still think we can get
Speaker 1: back to some fiscal sanity if we stop fighting among
Speaker 1: ourselves and get in the same boat and row in
Speaker 1: the same direction like they always do, Like the Democrats do,
Speaker 1: they stick together. I mean, you don't see them having
Speaker 1: these petty squabbles about things, so hopefully we can take
Speaker 1: a lesson from them and go from there. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break for the news. However,
Speaker 1: when we're coming back, you're going to want to stick
Speaker 1: around because there's some good news in primary education. Boy,
Speaker 1: I tell you, there's a hell of a lot of
Speaker 1: bad news. Test scores, horrible communists, China beating us in
Speaker 1: every category. We're going to talk to mister doctor Jed Hardings.
Speaker 1: He's the president of Cincinnati Classical Academy, and you're not
Speaker 1: going to believe what they are doing without any government assistance.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk to doctor Harding's after the news. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for Willy Cunningham seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're
Speaker 1: back Mike Allen in for Willie Cunningham today and next
Speaker 1: Wednesday as well. You know, as I said before we
Speaker 1: broke here, there's not a lot of good news on
Speaker 1: the primary education front, and I don't think there can
Speaker 1: be any disagreement on that. Test scores there are record lows,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it seems like no one seems to care. However, thankfully,
Speaker 1: there are alternatives and we're going to talk about a
Speaker 1: really good alternative, and that is the Cincinnati Classical Academy.
Speaker 1: It is a success story beyond belief, I think. And
Speaker 1: here to talk about the CCA is its president of
Speaker 1: the board of directors, doctor Jed Hardings. We talked to him,
Speaker 1: I think last summer, doctor Hardings, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: coming back. Great to be here, Mike, Thanks. Hey, just
Speaker 1: kind of tell my listeners what cch is or CCA,
Speaker 1: When did it start, how is it different? And it
Speaker 1: is classified as a charter school? Correct, Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4: We kind of go by the nickname Classical Cincinnati Classical.
Speaker 4: It's a tuition free school that opened in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: It is a public school, so there is no tuition,
Speaker 4: but as a charter school, what that means is that
Speaker 4: we're governing and independently and can pursue our own unique
Speaker 4: philosophy and curriculum. And so we offer a curriculum based
Speaker 4: on the classical education philosophy.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what that is? Sure? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty simple.
Speaker 4: You can think of it just as a rigorous traditional education.
Speaker 4: We teach phonics, which a lot of the public schools
Speaker 4: have not been doing a good muntil the law got
Speaker 4: changed last year. Now everyone has to take this approach,
Speaker 4: I know that which classical schools have been taking, you know,
Speaker 4: since since they got you know, reinvigorated fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: US we teach phonics, We teach a cursive handwriting, We
Speaker 4: diagram sentences, we learn Latin, We teach history instead of
Speaker 4: social studies. We study the fine arts, and importantly we
Speaker 4: also teach moral character and civic virtue, and there's a
Speaker 4: number of other distinguishing characteristics. We use minimal technology. So
Speaker 4: you hear a lot of talk about unto one schools.
Speaker 4: That means one laptop per one student. We have zero
Speaker 4: laptops per school. Really the teachers use them, of course,
Speaker 4: but yeah, there's no technology really with the students' cell
Speaker 4: phones aren't allowed in the school, which is again a
Speaker 4: trend that now we're now seeing other schools starting.
Speaker 1: To catch on to.
Speaker 4: We have teachers lead the classroom as moral examples of
Speaker 4: love of their subject matters, and we wear uniforms.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a bit of a throwback, which I consider
Speaker 1: a very very good thing. What you were just describing
Speaker 1: to me, and we were talking off mic on this
Speaker 1: sounds like Saint Antonias the grade school I went to,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned you went to Saint Dominie. That's how
Speaker 1: it used to be exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is how the founding fathers were educated
Speaker 4: or educated themselves in Lincoln's example. But another example of
Speaker 4: that class school approach of the way things always used
Speaker 4: to be is we always used to teach civics, and
Speaker 4: we used to teach a curriculum that emphasized the American
Speaker 4: and the Western traditions. That's what we're doing, and remarkably
Speaker 4: it's controversial with some people that call us ethnocentrists. So
Speaker 4: as an example, all all high school students they have
Speaker 4: to take a year of both English and British literature.
Speaker 4: They will all take a year of European history, it's
Speaker 4: not optional, before they study American history, and then they'll
Speaker 4: also learn ancient history of the Greeks and Romans. And
Speaker 4: then on top of all this, when they're you know,
Speaker 4: become very well prepared for the more advanced courses in rhetoric, logic, economics,
Speaker 4: moral and political philosophy. And these are all core curriculum courses.
Speaker 4: This is not a sort of choose your own adventure school.
Speaker 4: You decide, let the parents decide how you should be
Speaker 4: educated here. No, there's there's a body of work that
Speaker 4: one needs to master in order to become educated.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the same Saint Dominic, but
Speaker 1: when I was at st Antoninus, and again that's what
Speaker 1: this sounds like, and that's a good thing. Father Gockler,
Speaker 1: the pastor, he handed out the the report cards.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I guess he wanted some accountability. Do you guys do
Speaker 1: anything like that?
Speaker 4: No, we don't. We don't have pre set the school.
Speaker 4: That's that's another aspect of getting a public charter.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I heard you say that before. We do
Speaker 1: have a colisseum.
Speaker 4: The coliseum is where the students who have misbehaved or
Speaker 4: have to meet with the headmaster. They sit and they
Speaker 4: stare at the colosseum wall as if they're going to
Speaker 4: get thrown in with the gladiators.
Speaker 2: I love that little tradition.
Speaker 1: We had the Dominican nuns at st Antoninus and they
Speaker 1: were not shy about doing a little corporal punishment, and
Speaker 1: at least Mighty aff I deserved it. I love what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You referred to it. I believe as a
Speaker 1: public school. Tell Us what you mean by that, and
Speaker 1: tell us about your sources of funding, where you get
Speaker 1: your students, things like that.
Speaker 4: Right, So it's a public school in the sense that
Speaker 4: it's open to enrollment by any Ohio resident. There are
Speaker 4: no admissions tests, no aptitude tests. It's first come, first serve.
Speaker 4: It also means that we're fund We get our funding
Speaker 4: from the state of Ohio from state tax dollars vouchers.
Speaker 4: They're not exactly vouchers. They come straight from the state
Speaker 4: rather than going to the parents, but it's very similar
Speaker 4: and it's a similar amount.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think last summer when we talked, you were
Speaker 1: getting a little bit of blowback. I don't remember the
Speaker 1: specific issue, and it's in the past, but has all
Speaker 1: that been worked out?
Speaker 2: Whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well they What we did was we applied
Speaker 4: for a two million dollar federal grant from the US
Speaker 4: Department of Education, and actually we were one of fourteen
Speaker 4: schools in the country to get that, and in fact,
Speaker 4: we got the highest rating of any school in the
Speaker 4: country on that grant when one review reviewer gave us
Speaker 4: a perfect score, which is just unheard of. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the teachers unions came out against us. Greg Landsman came
Speaker 4: out against us, and this all kind of blew up.
Speaker 4: They threw all kinds of malicious accusations at us, and uh,
Speaker 4: there was a big write up in the Washington Post
Speaker 4: criticizing our school again, remember calling us that no centrist
Speaker 4: and all this kind of made up nonsense. But but anyway,
Speaker 4: the accusations were baseless, and you know, the grant was awarded,
Speaker 4: so nothing really happened. But it was fun to hear
Speaker 4: that come up in the debate with some between Songs
Speaker 4: and Landsman, songs that held him accountable for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, well, I'll tell you what. I love that guy.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, this is our congressman. Think about this,
Speaker 4: This is our congressman asking two million dollars to be
Speaker 4: sent back from his district to Washington.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I'm sure the teachers somebody in the
Speaker 1: teachers union called him up and said you better because
Speaker 1: that's who runs that party. I don't expect you to
Speaker 1: comment on that, but let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: If you comparison on test scores with the public schools,
Speaker 1: and the purpose of the question is not to you know,
Speaker 1: put down the public schools, although I think they got
Speaker 1: a lot of problems, but is there a comparison?
Speaker 2: Are you able to do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can because as a public school, we're held
Speaker 4: to the same standards as every other public school, whether
Speaker 4: it's a traditional district school, Indian Hill, Wyoming, whoever. We
Speaker 4: all take the same state tests, so you can compare
Speaker 4: them side by side starting from third grade, you know,
Speaker 4: all the way up through through the grade standardized Ohio
Speaker 4: State standardized tests in math, English language, arts, and science,
Speaker 4: and you compare.
Speaker 1: Them across the board.
Speaker 4: Since our very first year, we've been at the top,
Speaker 4: right right alongside the top five public schools that have
Speaker 4: been around for decades and decades and decades in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible.
Speaker 4: And that's across the board all subject matters, Science, English, math,
Speaker 4: and we were even even among charter schools in Ohio
Speaker 4: in our first year. There's two hundred and fifty charter
Speaker 4: schools in Ohio, and right out of the bat, in
Speaker 4: our first year, we were ranked number one in early
Speaker 4: literacy out of all those two hundred and fifty schools
Speaker 4: that have been around for ten to fifteen since nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety seven.
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. It really is. I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: there's some really exciting things going on with CCA with
Speaker 1: respect to expansion. Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike, this has been an absolutely grueling process to
Speaker 4: identify a campus and property facilities to grow to our
Speaker 4: full potential and ambition of having thirteen hundred students. Eventually,
Speaker 4: we looked for four years, examined over two dozen different
Speaker 4: properties and just ran into a lot of obstacles again,
Speaker 4: the same players, teachers' unions, local school districts came out
Speaker 4: against us and had a lot of influence on the
Speaker 4: local municipalities who wouldn't cooperate with us to rezone or
Speaker 4: to sell us properties.
Speaker 1: There were a few municipalities that.
Speaker 4: That appreciated the value that we could bring and they
Speaker 4: were trying to attract us, but again they got stopped
Speaker 4: and superintendents came out and spoke at public hearings to
Speaker 4: oppose us. It was kind of unbelievable and this went
Speaker 4: on for four years. And the other aspect of the
Speaker 4: difficulty is the financial obstacles because we get about thirty
Speaker 4: percent less funding than the local public schools, right, so
Speaker 4: how do you build a school for thirteen hundred students? Well,
Speaker 4: we just this past fall, we finally arrived at that
Speaker 4: solution and purchased two campuses, one in Reading and another
Speaker 4: one in Blue Ash next to sm Mid Park that
Speaker 4: are gonna serve the K through four grade levels and
Speaker 4: then the five through twelve grade levels, respectively.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna be K through twelve. It sounds like, yes,
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 4: We started with K through six when we opened two
Speaker 4: years ago, and we've been adding one grade level each year,
Speaker 4: so this year we're K through eight, and then next year,
Speaker 4: just in time, just after the doors open on our
Speaker 4: new property, we're gonna we're gonna have our first high
Speaker 4: school class.
Speaker 2: So this was.
Speaker 4: Really a big deal. We got it done in the
Speaker 4: nick of time. It was a very It was a
Speaker 4: big deal. It's a twenty nine million dollar project.
Speaker 1: Over we got that belt Can building. We got the
Speaker 1: bel Can building. It was big. It's huge, but it's
Speaker 1: actually the perfect size.
Speaker 4: It fits like a glove when you lay out the
Speaker 4: classrooms and everything against our needs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, one hundred thousand square feet.
Speaker 4: We've we've already completely demoed the interior and they're framing
Speaker 4: up the classrooms and hallways as we speak.
Speaker 2: Pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you where do you get the students
Speaker 1: from How does that work?
Speaker 4: That was a bit of a leap of faith, you know,
Speaker 4: because I loved the concept of this school. But you know,
Speaker 4: with the public, you know, how what was the response
Speaker 4: going to be? But it's been overwhelming, absolutely overwhelming since
Speaker 4: day one. We opened with capacity for four hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty students and it was full.
Speaker 1: It was full in the beginning year.
Speaker 4: We've been full ever since with a wait list of
Speaker 4: four hundred students of four hundred, yeah, so we we
Speaker 4: just we can't grow fast enough, honestly. But they're coming
Speaker 4: from everywhere. There's no singular answer. They're coming from homeschooling backgrounds,
Speaker 4: from public school backgrounds, from private school backgrounds, and they're
Speaker 4: coming geographically from a diameter of about sixty miles.
Speaker 1: I mean all the.
Speaker 4: Way from Oxford to Anderson to New Richmond Hill. We
Speaker 4: had some students from Hillsboro County. If you even know
Speaker 4: where that is, way out east.
Speaker 1: That is a long trip.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna be walking that. That's really amazing.
Speaker 4: So it's like it's like sixty school zip codes in total,
Speaker 4: in thirty five school districts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about sports, Well, let me ask you first
Speaker 1: out of pocket for parents. It's zero, isn't it zero.
Speaker 4: I mean you have to buy the uniforms and there
Speaker 4: might be a one hundred and fifty dollars book fee
Speaker 4: or something, but that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean you'd think people will be beating down your doors,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like they're starting to. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a diamond. I don't want to say diamond in
Speaker 1: the rough because it's not. It's just amazing what you
Speaker 1: all are doing. Let me ask you one other thing before,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about the capital campaign. What
Speaker 1: about sports? Does it have a full sports program? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: We've already won city championships in volleyball. That was really exciting.
Speaker 4: We did that in our first year. Yeah, yep, we
Speaker 4: went right through the tournament and won it all. Second
Speaker 4: place last year in the track and field city meet.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we've got the full array of sports. I
Speaker 4: know there's at least twelve varsity sports planned for the
Speaker 4: high school all, you know, most of the traditional ones
Speaker 4: that that other schools have.
Speaker 1: What about other social activities? I mean, back in the day,
Speaker 1: schools used to sponsor at least Catholic schools used to
Speaker 1: sponsor dances. Yeah, mixers, like that that too.
Speaker 4: We do it, and we do it in our own
Speaker 4: classical way. The first sort of junior high dance was
Speaker 4: actually just a month ago. And you wouldn't believe what
Speaker 4: this school pulled off. And I take no credit for this.
Speaker 4: This is the school administration and head master. But they
Speaker 4: put on a Fezziwigs ball. Feziwig was the sort of
Speaker 4: jovial character from a Christmas carol. So they in physical
Speaker 4: education in gym class, all the students learned how to
Speaker 4: do the dances of the early eighteen hundreds, and you
Speaker 4: know these group dances and line dances and docy doe
Speaker 4: and you know with a caller, you know, calling out
Speaker 4: the dances and moves, and they had and so this
Speaker 4: is what the dance was. And all the students showed
Speaker 4: up in early eighteenth century you know, ruffled ruffled shirts
Speaker 4: and Victorian balls and Victorian gowns. I mean, it was
Speaker 4: just it was amazing to see how fully all the
Speaker 4: students and faculty and staff everyone bought into this and
Speaker 4: they had a blast face and they learned so much
Speaker 4: about it too. I mean, sure, what a wholesome way
Speaker 4: to learn how to socialize and interact with the opposite sex,
Speaker 4: get some exercise, enjoy music, and enjoy community. I mean
Speaker 4: this is anachronistic today, it is, you know.
Speaker 1: But an achronistic in a very very very good way.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the Capitol campaign and what people can
Speaker 1: do to help if they want to. Yeah, So, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, the.
Speaker 4: Property acquisition and the construction projects is funded by taxis
Speaker 4: and bonds, which was around twenty nine million, but it
Speaker 4: doesn't quite get us to where we need to be
Speaker 4: to complete the construction. So we're aiming to raise at
Speaker 4: least another four million to complete that construction. And so
Speaker 4: we would ask anyone who thinks that what we're doing,
Speaker 4: who thinks that a rigorous traditional education in the classical
Speaker 4: liberal arts, one that teaches logic, rhetoric, economics, history, government,
Speaker 4: moral philosophy, and the one that's accessible to the public
Speaker 4: tuition free. If this is a good thing for Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: for our communities, please consider supporting the campaign because this
Speaker 4: is a cause I think that transcends consideration just of
Speaker 4: where your kids or your grandkids we're going to school.
Speaker 4: This is, in fact, you know, really a national movement.
Speaker 4: This is why you heard Russia Limbaugh talking about Hillsdale
Speaker 4: College all the time, and you are affiliated with hills
Speaker 4: We are affiliated. We use the curriculum that was developed
Speaker 4: by Hillsdale College and is in and is at use
Speaker 4: at over eighty schools throughout the country right now. But
Speaker 4: the restoration of an education that's needed for a free
Speaker 4: thinking and self governing citizenry, that's what we're trying to provide.
Speaker 4: It's not just about college career or technical skills. We
Speaker 4: want to preserve our country.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we're out of time, Doctor Hardings, and we could
Speaker 1: talk for hours about this. It is an incredible story.
Speaker 1: I think it's a story that not enough people know about.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you coming in and talking about sincy
Speaker 1: classical dot org. Yeah, and great, great website.
Speaker 2: Could you give it one more time?
Speaker 1: Sincey classical dot org. Since he with a y classical.
Speaker 2: Dot org sounds good.
Speaker 1: Come sign up for the newsletter. It sounds good. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break, but we'll be back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Willy Cunningham seven hundred. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: getting some good bumper music today. Hey, we're back. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for Willie Cunningham. Really happy to be doing
Speaker 1: that too. I appreciate Willy giving me the chance, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I mean. I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for a while, obviously my Saturday show and sub There
Speaker 1: are some interviews that after you do them, you just
Speaker 1: really feel good, not about anything that I did, but
Speaker 1: the subject matter and the guest. And that last one,
Speaker 1: doctor Jed Harding's of Cincinnati Classical Academy falls right into that.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about it, what they're doing
Speaker 1: is amazing. They are offering that type of an education
Speaker 1: for free. I think doctor Hardig said that the only
Speaker 1: thing that they have to pay for are the books
Speaker 1: and things like that. And something tells me that if
Speaker 1: a low income person did not even have that, they'd
Speaker 1: find a way to make it happen. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've got family and friends that sometimes accuse me of
Speaker 1: living in the past, and you know, maybe I do
Speaker 1: sometimes that when the past is good, why the hell not?
Speaker 1: I mean, when he was describing that, that sounded so
Speaker 1: much like, you know, my grade school sat Antoninus course,
Speaker 1: obviously a Catholic grade school, and well you see how
Speaker 1: I turned out. But there are some success stories tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek there, folks, But I don't know It just
Speaker 1: makes me feel good that there are things like that.
Speaker 1: It is definitely, definitely an unknown story and hopefully we
Speaker 1: were able to help him get it out a little bit,
Speaker 1: and we need things like that. I mean, think about it,
Speaker 1: think about it. Phonics. I haven't even heard that word,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many years, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they stopped teaching it in the public schools, you know, long,
Speaker 1: long time ago. Latin. Now, I took Latin in high
Speaker 1: school and I don't mean to brag, but my buddy
Speaker 1: Tom Grayson and I were scholars in Latin. I mean,
Speaker 1: offering that subject in grade school. Discipline, discipline, that is
Speaker 1: something that we need definitely in our primary education now.
Speaker 1: And I could go on and on and on about it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have doctor Harding's back, and I kind
Speaker 1: of think when people finally really know about this, they're
Speaker 1: going to be beaten down his doors. And the acquisition
Speaker 1: of the property, the Belkan property, is going to enable
Speaker 1: them to go through K through twelve. So congratulations to
Speaker 1: doctor Harrings and everybody at the Cincinnati Classical Academy.
Speaker 2: It's a hell of a story, well kind of aeg.
Speaker 1: To the next thing I wanted to talk about, which
Speaker 1: is not exactly the most positive thing in the world.
Speaker 1: We're talking about primary education before what about higher education?
Speaker 1: What are we going to do about higher education in
Speaker 1: this country? You know, I like to refer to it kindly,
Speaker 1: I might add, as a cesspool of indoctrination. It is awful.
Speaker 1: They will fight tooth and nail to prevent whoever from
Speaker 1: telling both sides of a story. Those freaking libs. Professors,
Speaker 1: they think they own the place. And that's one thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess everything is incremental. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you heard about Cincinnati Classical Academy, a bit of a
Speaker 1: throwback and a damn good one. Everything is incremental. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe you start with primary education and none of this
Speaker 1: stuff's going to happen overnight in high school and then college.
Speaker 1: Something is going to have to be done about that.
Speaker 1: And what I'm talking about really is just presenting both
Speaker 1: sides of an issue. Don't indoctrinate kids. I mean that
Speaker 1: starts in grade school now, you know, tell them the
Speaker 1: different things that are out there, and God forbid, let
Speaker 1: them decide. Which leads me to the college fix. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of it. Just an amazing
Speaker 1: organization of a heck of a lot of college students
Speaker 1: that look for things that are going wrong on the
Speaker 1: college campus, and buddy, there are a lot of them.
Speaker 1: One good thing that I've been reading DEI Diversity, Equity
Speaker 1: and Inclusion, the biggest scam game I think in the
Speaker 1: history of education, is starting to go down the tubes.
Speaker 1: It's going down the tubes in a big way in
Speaker 1: corporate America. Little bit slower, a little bit slower on
Speaker 1: the college front, although I did read where Michigan, that
Speaker 1: team up North, that school up North, they have cut
Speaker 1: their DEI staff of two hundred and forty one people
Speaker 1: with a budget I think of about a half a
Speaker 1: million dollars. Now think about it, two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one people, half a million bucks. How many students, how
Speaker 1: many low income students? Could you help with that? And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I've been asking this question for years,
Speaker 1: for years, And I know there are people on the
Speaker 1: left that listen to my Saturday show. At least I
Speaker 1: have not yet had anyone tell me just what in
Speaker 1: the hell DEI is. I know what it stands for,
Speaker 1: but what is it? What does it do except divide people?
Speaker 1: Divide people? I mean, that's pretty much it. It's just
Speaker 1: such an incredible waste of time and money, and you know,
Speaker 1: you look about it, look at it. College enrollment is down,
Speaker 1: and gee, I wonder why. I mean, part of it
Speaker 1: is the cost, I guess, but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it well. And good thing about it, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are going into the trades now, and that's
Speaker 1: a good thing because you can make a good living
Speaker 1: in the trades.
Speaker 2: And not everybody.
Speaker 1: Is set and really set up for college. I remember
Speaker 1: back when I was going, you know, I had a
Speaker 1: really i'll just say it, a really rigorous major criminal
Speaker 1: justice with the rest of the football students. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: And I went to UC and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't all that rigorous. But some people just
Speaker 1: aren't set up for it. But there is a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do to write that ship. And you
Speaker 1: can throw journalism in there, because they're kind of they
Speaker 1: go hand in hand really when you think about it,
Speaker 1: These Jay schools, as they refer to them, journalism schools. Somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, Republicans, conservatives, moderates, whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 1: they got to bust down that door and end the
Speaker 1: less franchise on higher education.
Speaker 2: In this country.
Speaker 1: And again along those lines, the College Fix I was
Speaker 1: talking about that young college students who are journalists are
Speaker 1: studying to be journalists. I believe that. Look at what's
Speaker 1: going on negatively on the college campus. And they put
Speaker 1: out right before Christmas year and this is a College
Speaker 1: Fix year in review. One hundred and twenty campus cancel
Speaker 1: culture incidents in twenty twenty four. Boy, some of these
Speaker 1: are amazing. We're just going to go through some of
Speaker 1: them quickly. San Diego State University investigated two white students
Speaker 1: for dressing up it's not funny, for dressing up as
Speaker 1: Diddy and a bottle of baby oil, for example. I
Speaker 1: think I get it. I think I get it, but
Speaker 1: you know what, not everything is a major incident. And
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about Diddy. I know he's in
Speaker 1: a jam. I wish I was defense attorney. Hell, I
Speaker 1: could retire on what they're probably making. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think many people see that as a problem.
Speaker 1: And God knows how many hours they wasted on that
Speaker 1: and how much money. I mean, it's just it's amazing
Speaker 1: what they do. They're nearly thirty incidents that they report
Speaker 1: the college fixed staff, and I'm sure that they miss
Speaker 1: some of them, just a few more of them. Indiana
Speaker 1: State University canceled a speech by National Review editor Rich Lowry,
Speaker 1: citing safety concerns. And that's what they do, you know,
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro, it happened to him, It happens to Riley Gaines.
Speaker 1: And boy if she isn't the best thing to happen
Speaker 1: to the conservative cause, I don't know what is she
Speaker 1: gets shut out of these things. But anyway, Indiana State
Speaker 1: they canceled a speech by Rich Lowry, he's the editor
Speaker 1: of National Review, citing safety concerns. Bull You know what,
Speaker 1: it's because they want to shut him down. You know what,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, they're cowards. They're cowards.
Speaker 2: They don't want to.
Speaker 1: Present both sides of an argument. They got the monopoly,
Speaker 1: and by god, they're going to cram this stuff down
Speaker 1: the student's throats, so they don't want Yeah, you hear
Speaker 1: so much about diversity, diversity, this diversity that. How about
Speaker 1: some diversity of thought?
Speaker 2: God forbid that goes on?
Speaker 1: And this stuff just really is awful. Ben Franklin's statue
Speaker 1: at the University of Pennsylvania completely defaced with red paint
Speaker 1: by guess who pro Hamas activists. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: a new thing, relatively new thing on the college campus,
Speaker 1: anti Semitism. How in the heck did that happen in
Speaker 1: the United States of America. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: get going on that because that's all we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe they haven't learned about the
Speaker 1: Holocaust anyways. Nearly thirty incidents on this year's list can
Speaker 1: be traced two the Israeli Pakistani conflict, the vast majority
Speaker 1: of which were centered on protests from pro Hamas anti
Speaker 1: Israel agitators, and a lot of them are outside agitators
Speaker 1: and weren't college students, who often successfully shut down meetings
Speaker 1: and other events they objected to because again, you don't
Speaker 1: want to give both sides of an issue. God forbid,
Speaker 1: that's dangerous. Cops at the University of Nevada Las Vegas
Speaker 1: also shut down an Israeli professor's lecture rather than remove
Speaker 1: an anti Israel remove plural anti Israel protesters and pro
Speaker 1: Palestinian protesters shut down in a different incident, Pomona College's convocation,
Speaker 1: and they shut it down at University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Rather than deal with it, deal with the problem, don't
Speaker 1: shut it down anyway. The College Fix reports that of
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty campus cancel culture incidents from
Speaker 1: January one through today and again this thing came out
Speaker 1: the day after Christmas, were successful. Sixty seven of them
Speaker 1: were successful. In the rest fifty three were attempted cancelations.
Speaker 1: So you know what it's they're winning on that front.
Speaker 1: But I think we can turn that around with fifty
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 1: With fifty two weeks in a year and one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty incidents in twenty twenty four, that's an average
Speaker 1: of two point three to one incidents per week over
Speaker 1: the last twelve months. Now. It's been kind of quiet
Speaker 1: on the whole Hamas thing for now, but you better
Speaker 1: believe that they'll rev that thing up again. And man,
Speaker 1: like I said, you don't even want to get me
Speaker 1: going on that. I just it's hard for my brain
Speaker 1: to comprehend and how anyone anyone can protest on behalf
Speaker 1: of a moss It's a terrorist group. They're still holding
Speaker 1: what five of our hostages, But let's go protest and
Speaker 1: favor them and you know, you know, it's professor stirring
Speaker 1: them all up. John Hopkins University they scrubbed Woodrow Wilson's
Speaker 1: name from their program. Now there are some that believe
Speaker 1: in I just finished reading a book. It was Bill
Speaker 1: O'Reilly's book with the other person, I forget his name.
Speaker 1: I think he's the one that writes them about the presidents.
Speaker 1: And boy, it was good, it was really good. And
Speaker 1: they talked about President Wilson. There are some that feel
Speaker 1: that he was a racist. I don't know enough about
Speaker 1: it to be able to say one way or the other,
Speaker 1: you know, but his statue presumably survived for a while.
Speaker 1: Cambridge Press, the Cambridge Press, they are dropping the term
Speaker 1: Anglo Saxon from journals because they think that there's some
Speaker 1: kind of problem with that. Kampuk University denies request to
Speaker 1: host women's sports activist Paula Scanlon. Here's one that just
Speaker 1: this just makes me sick. And this is a Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump Day one fix west Point, the Military Academy, Army
Speaker 1: Military Academy, west Point. They ditched and I remember this duty,
Speaker 1: honor country from the mission statement.
Speaker 2: That needs to stop.
Speaker 1: That's got to be a Donald Trump Day one Executive order,
Speaker 1: and he's the commander in chief.
Speaker 2: He can do it. Well.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'll go on and on about this stuff, and
Speaker 1: I do have some more, but we have to break. However,
Speaker 1: when we come back, we're gonna talk to our friend
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson. He has yet another new book out. I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of reading it now. It's great, and
Speaker 1: he'll tell you about it when we get back. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen seven hundred WLW Allan in for the great American
Speaker 1: Willie Cunningham. I'll tell you what you're gonna love. This segment.
Speaker 1: We got our friend Peter Bronson. He is out with
Speaker 1: a new book. It's called Promised Land. How the Midwest
Speaker 1: Was One, which is really a prequel to his last book,
Speaker 1: which was great, The Man who Saved Cincinnati. Peter, thanks
Speaker 1: for coming down.
Speaker 2: Today, do you. Mike always have a good time with you. Hey,
Speaker 2: before we start, I gotta tell you this. A very good.
Speaker 1: Friend of mine, when he heard just a little bit
Speaker 1: of go that you were going to be on, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read it. I won't give the names, but
Speaker 1: he said. Also your next segment with Peter Bronson, I
Speaker 1: just gave his wife four books for Christmas. Four of
Speaker 1: Peter's books for Christmas. Awesome, there you go, buddy, fantastic
Speaker 1: you know. And this is selling pretty good too. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's doing great. You know.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati it loves its history, and Cincinnati is blessed with
Speaker 2: fantastic history. Absolutely. I mean, there are so many hidden
Speaker 2: treasures right here in our own backyard that people don't
Speaker 2: know about. And my joy, my real passion now is
Speaker 2: finding those through research and digging up those great stories
Speaker 2: and then sharing them with readers here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Oh and you do a great job at Thank you,
Speaker 1: Aproposa Nothing. One of the things I thought about doing sometime,
Speaker 1: and you know, you see it on social media is
Speaker 1: going to a place like you talk about and looking
Speaker 1: for for remnants, you know, the metal detective thing.
Speaker 2: Fun. Oh it is. I've heard from a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are doing that really. For example, Camp Dennison
Speaker 2: has always been a gold mine of that because the
Speaker 2: Union Army was that's their boot camp and that's where
Speaker 2: they mustered in. So you've got belt buckles, you've got cartridges,
Speaker 2: you've got shell casings, you've got all kinds of little
Speaker 2: pieces of harness and everything else. And then there's all
Speaker 2: kinds of other places. I have a guy who's been
Speaker 2: in touch with me, A shot up for Jack Hastings.
Speaker 2: Jack Hastings got in touch with me after reading The
Speaker 2: Man Who Saved Cincinnati and he's been on a scavenger
Speaker 2: hunt ever since to try and determine where was the
Speaker 2: battery on Mount Adams. Oh okay, so there is even
Speaker 2: a Hatch street. There, there's a battery street. And he's
Speaker 2: got it pretty well narrowed down. But you know, there
Speaker 2: are just no maps anymore we write maps of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Has he found any artifacts? He has not, but he's
Speaker 2: found a lot of really cool clues and he hasn't
Speaker 2: given up yet. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I'd like to try it, but you know, given my
Speaker 1: patience level, i'd just be afraid. I'd be there at
Speaker 1: half hour if I didn't find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know, And we'll get to the book.
Speaker 2: Here is my father.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, he took us down I
Speaker 1: think it was in Cleeves somewhere, an Indian mound where Yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually, of course they had no metal detectors or anything,
Speaker 1: but we found a couple of arrowheads. Oh really, which
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: I mean, people when they when the first settlers arrived
Speaker 2: here on the banks of the Ohio, there were all
Speaker 2: these cool mounds and they had no idea what they were.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times they were moving that dirt
Speaker 2: around because they needed berms, they needed good soil for
Speaker 2: planting their corn, and this was readily available and they
Speaker 2: started finding all these skeletons.
Speaker 1: Is that why it's an Indian mound because they kind
Speaker 1: of used I guess as a dumping ground and moved
Speaker 1: the stuff. Yes, yes, interesting.
Speaker 2: So we had mounds even in downtown Cincinnati, all the
Speaker 2: way along the Ohio River, through Terrace Park, through Columbia, Tussalem,
Speaker 2: through Milford, all the way out to Newtown. There were
Speaker 2: huge mounds all along through here, and some of them
Speaker 2: were super elaborate. We don't even know today how these
Speaker 2: people were able to build such precisely engineered circles, for example,
Speaker 2: half mile across yep with no modern tools and they
Speaker 2: had to move the earth with baskets.
Speaker 1: Pretty amazing, it is. Hey, let's talk about the book.
Speaker 1: Tell us about it, as I said, reached to me
Speaker 1: and I'm not finished yet. As a prequel to The
Speaker 1: Man who Saved Cincinnati, which that couldn't put that one down.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the book, Well, it's a book about
Speaker 2: the first settlers who came down the Ohio River on
Speaker 2: flatboats at a time when this whole area was known
Speaker 2: as the Miami Slaughterhouse. The Miami Valley was the area
Speaker 2: where nobody was brave enough to settle. Kentucky was fairly
Speaker 2: well settled by that time, but both sides of the
Speaker 2: river had Indian raids, but the northern half, northern side
Speaker 2: of the Ohio River was really bad. At one four
Speaker 2: year period, there were fifteen hundred settlers taken by Indians
Speaker 2: who yeah, and they would be taken as hostages and
Speaker 2: sold to the British for one hundred dollars. Their scalps
Speaker 2: could be sold to the British for fifty dollars, and
Speaker 2: or they would be used for entertainment as torture victims
Speaker 2: where they would stretch out the torture for three or
Speaker 2: four days while the whole tribe would celebrate and get
Speaker 2: involved in burning them slowly to death or whatever they
Speaker 2: decided to do. It was just absolutely horrible.
Speaker 1: Boy, you talk about violent, and I think I read
Speaker 1: they got a hundred bucks for a live hostages. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and they gave them to the British.
Speaker 2: Is that the deal? Yeah, because it's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand this until I did the research for
Speaker 2: this book, but the British were very unhappy about losing
Speaker 2: the Revolutionary War. So their whole strategy during that period
Speaker 2: was to have their their ford in Detroit. That was
Speaker 2: their Canada headquarters, where the governor would be, and they
Speaker 2: were going to make sure that none of these upp
Speaker 2: and E columnists got passed anywhere near into the Midwest
Speaker 2: because that was their land. They were going to claim
Speaker 2: that for camp. So if not for these I know that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if not for these really tough people who settled Ohio,
Speaker 2: most of them American Revolutionary War veterans, if not for them,
Speaker 2: all of this Midwest, including Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: the Northwest Territory would have been part of Canada because
Speaker 2: if the British, they used the Indians as their proxy warriors,
Speaker 2: and they've sponsored them much in the same way that
Speaker 2: Iran sponsors groups like humas well. I see that correlation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the terrorism against these settlers was really brutal. So
Speaker 2: the idea was to terrorize them so bad nobody would
Speaker 2: dare settle in this area, and thereby the British could
Speaker 2: eventually claim the whole Midwest for Canada. Wow.
Speaker 1: And Fort Washington Way obviously is a street now, but
Speaker 1: that played a big part too, Oh it did.
Speaker 2: Fort Washington was the footprint, the beachhead for all of
Speaker 2: these settlers, because that was the biggest stock cad on
Speaker 2: the river. That was where the army was formed. The
Speaker 2: first US Army trained there under Matt Anthony Wayne, and
Speaker 2: that was the one there.
Speaker 1: And there's a street named after him here.
Speaker 2: Yes, and nobody A lot of people don't unaware of this,
Speaker 2: but that original US Army, the first army authorized by Congress,
Speaker 2: a standing army that George Washington fought tooth and nailed
Speaker 2: to get approved, was the one that was trained right
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, Fort Washington. Some of the Army, the units,
Speaker 2: the divisions in the Army today still traced their unit
Speaker 2: numbers back to that group. Wow.
Speaker 1: Is there any evidence that George Washington, during the war
Speaker 1: any other time, actually came to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Yes, there is good evidence of that.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He was with the French and Indian War, and he
Speaker 2: fought his way.
Speaker 1: Very far right before the Revolution.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he had a battle that would have been
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania as we know it now, but he had
Speaker 2: a battle there. So there's a very good life likelihood
Speaker 2: that he explored this area as a surveyor, and he
Speaker 2: was just an amazing guy. My respect for Washington when
Speaker 2: I review did the research for this, I just can't
Speaker 2: say enough about him as such a great man and
Speaker 2: a great founder of our country.
Speaker 1: Without him, boy, you can't say enough about him. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned that. I just finished a book before
Speaker 1: I started reading yours, Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard. I think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a book about the presidents, but it kind of
Speaker 1: encapsulated the presidency with their problems and things like that.
Speaker 2: I think he'd like it. Yeah. I think he ended
Speaker 2: up choosing Lincoln as his number one president over Washington.
Speaker 2: I would quibble with that. I think the difference there
Speaker 2: is that both men had huge crises thrust upon them
Speaker 2: and rose to greatness. But it was Washington who really
Speaker 2: formed this nation. If not for him fighting for that
Speaker 2: standing army would have defeated the Indian Confederation at the
Speaker 2: Battle of Fallen Timbers. We never would have had our
Speaker 2: first Army that made the whole Northwest Territory safe and
Speaker 2: drove the British out, and really a huge part of
Speaker 2: our country would have been part of Canada, and that
Speaker 2: would have started the growth of the whole USA. I mean,
Speaker 2: there would have been nothing.
Speaker 1: And he was a reluctant warrior from what I read.
Speaker 1: I mean his wife wanted didn't want him to go.
Speaker 1: He wanted to run his uh. I guess it was
Speaker 1: a plantation, yes, but he loved his country, yes, his
Speaker 1: brand new country yes. And what he did at Valley Forge,
Speaker 1: for example, just amazing profiles and courage. There's nobody like
Speaker 1: him that I can think of. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: no leader for sure on this.
Speaker 2: Continent as a president who measures up close.
Speaker 1: Well, you got Joe Biden, though.
Speaker 5: Well he'd hardly be number one on my list. And
Speaker 5: worst yeah mine too. Hey, let me ask you. I
Speaker 5: believe you said or I read it. I forget that
Speaker 5: the Ohio side was crazier and more violent than Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
Speaker 1: And why was that?
Speaker 2: Well? Both sides had what they called in those days depredations.
Speaker 2: Depredations were the Indian raids and the terrible massacres and
Speaker 2: the just terrible terroristic violence that was perpetrated on these settlers.
Speaker 2: Kentucky was considered. That whole area was considered a neutral
Speaker 2: hunting ground shared by all of the tribes. And the
Speaker 2: two most fierce tribes in all of this whole area
Speaker 2: of the West as it was known then, were the
Speaker 2: Shawnee and the Miami.
Speaker 1: And the Shawnee were the ones that down by the
Speaker 1: Salor Park area. They got that big statue at Takumpsa
Speaker 1: down there. And what's that fellow's name? We talked about it,
Speaker 1: that Eckert.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ellen Eckert wrote a great book about Takumsa. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: another one about Simon Kenton, who also plays a role
Speaker 2: in my book as one of the frontiersman. He's just
Speaker 2: a legend, a towering legend. Simon Kenton is somebody that
Speaker 2: more of Cincinnati should know about. One of the things
Speaker 2: I love about writing these books is it's that I'm
Speaker 2: allowed to share stories that should make Cincinnati very proud
Speaker 2: of our city in our history. I mean, it should
Speaker 2: make us really absolutely with a sense of place with
Speaker 2: no less pride than Texas. Yep, I mean Texas has
Speaker 2: their pride. Hey, Cincinnati should be just as Pop, I
Speaker 2: agree with you.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Texas, can you tell us about the Twin Sisters.
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely so. Not only did Cincinnati these tough frontier people,
Speaker 2: they saved the Northwest Territory from becoming part of Canada.
Speaker 2: Then in the eighteen thirties, Cincinnati was the only city
Speaker 2: that stood up and lent aid and went to the
Speaker 2: rescue of Texas when they were fighting for their lives
Speaker 2: against Mexico. And the way Cincinnati did it, they sent
Speaker 2: two cannons that were ultimately known as the Twin Sisters.
Speaker 2: Nobody else sent much help to Texas. Cincinnati was the
Speaker 2: only place, and we sent these cannons that arrived just
Speaker 2: in time to be on the battlefield at Sanya Sinto
Speaker 2: when Texas won their independence and defeated Santa Anna.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And if not for those cannons, which Santa Anna didn't
Speaker 2: know that Texans had, they would not have won that battle.
Speaker 2: There is no question in fact, for decades after, during
Speaker 2: their celebrations of independence that Texas always made a big
Speaker 2: point of issuing their their gratitude and thanks to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: So they do acknowledge it.
Speaker 2: They did, for I don't think much anymore because these
Speaker 2: things have been forgotten, sure, but at one point Texas
Speaker 2: sent Santa Anna's dagger that was taken from him on
Speaker 2: the battlefield when he surrendered that day to here Cincinnati
Speaker 2: was given to it was presented to the Mayor of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: It was a jewel encrusted dagger with a gold hilt,
Speaker 2: and it was absolutely gorgeous. We unfortunately can't find it
Speaker 2: anymore because it was at one point donated to the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Museum of Art and I was lost somewhere in
Speaker 2: the collection, or somebody walked off with it, We don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a damn shame. It is not surprising, I guess
Speaker 1: there are, as we mentioned before, so many streets in
Speaker 1: this city named after people that you write about in
Speaker 1: your book. Besides Matt Anthony Wayne, what are some of
Speaker 1: the others?
Speaker 2: Oh? Kemper, Reverend James Kemper was the first ordained trained
Speaker 2: minister in the Pacific in the Northwest Territory Pard me
Speaker 2: and he was a very brave man. Before Matt Anthony
Speaker 2: Wayne defeated the Indian Confederation, there were two expeditions that
Speaker 2: were sent up under General Harmar and under General Saint Clair,
Speaker 2: and both of these were not only defeated. They were
Speaker 2: massacred and massacred in such a way that would absolutely
Speaker 2: demoralize everybody, sure who was clinging to life in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: In Fort Washington. When Saint Clair was defeated, they called
Speaker 2: that the Battle of a thousand slain, because that's how
Speaker 2: many soldiers and their wives and their children and all
Speaker 2: the other people that marched with Saint Clair. They were
Speaker 2: all murdered and just masacred, and the only few survivors
Speaker 2: that came back were absolutely devastated. And Cincinnati's settlers were
Speaker 2: ready to abandon that Fort Washington. And it was James
Speaker 2: Kemper who went door to door and rallied them and said, no,
Speaker 2: this is our gift from God, our freedom right, our
Speaker 2: independence we have. This is our promised land. This is
Speaker 2: the land that we are supposed to inherit, and we
Speaker 2: can make something happen here. But don't give up. Don't
Speaker 2: give up. Share. And this guy, that's a brave guy.
Speaker 2: If that wasn't enough, then as pastor, he used to
Speaker 2: travel on horseback from settlement to settlement, which you know,
Speaker 2: eight or ten miles between these stations, to do services
Speaker 2: for Sunday or to do funerals and weddings. And this
Speaker 2: was at a time when these Indians were taking people
Speaker 2: left and right, and it's a miracle that he was
Speaker 2: not taken.
Speaker 1: I tell you, like you said, Peter Brownson, so much history. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we're getting close to being out of time. However, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to save some time for you to tell
Speaker 1: my listeners how they can get the book.
Speaker 2: Well, you can get this at all of the local bookstores,
Speaker 2: for example, Robling Books, Joseph Beth, Barnes, and Noble. I've been.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of book signing at Joseph Beth.
Speaker 2: That was quite a hit. A lot of people came
Speaker 2: out to say hi, so thank you to all you
Speaker 2: also available to Amazon. I try to support the local bookstores,
Speaker 2: but if you like the convenience of persons, many of
Speaker 2: them anymore. No, I love the local bookstores available at Amazon.
Speaker 2: But if you want to sign copy, I have specials
Speaker 2: on my website right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe you didn't get what you wanted for Christmas, Hey,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: So I'm at chilidogpress dot com and you'll see some
Speaker 2: specials there where you can buy three get one free,
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Would I would recommend that you do that. I didn't
Speaker 1: mention Peter's other books, and well he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of them. Forbidden Fruits, in Cities Underworld and Supper Club Inferno.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. My favorite is, you know, Peter Bronson,
Speaker 1: Behind the Lines, the Untold Story of the Cincinnati Riots.
Speaker 1: That was a book that needed to be written, and
Speaker 1: you were right in the middle of it, well right
Speaker 1: and smacking the middle. Yeah, not in our town, Queen
Speaker 1: City versus the King of smut.
Speaker 2: Hey, you probably know a lot about that too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: well listen.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we're out of time, Peter Bronson, but really appreciate.
Speaker 2: You coming in. Oh my pleasure as always. Okay, well
Speaker 2: being here, Mike.
Speaker 1: My pleasure. All right, that's Peter Bronson out with his
Speaker 1: new book, Promised Land, How the Midwest was Won. Hey,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break, but we'll be back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen seven hundred WLW, Mike Allen, They we're back,
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in four Willie Cunningham seven hundred WLW. And
Speaker 1: I will be back in the Saturday Show chair tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to getting back to that. And I got
Speaker 1: some stuff that well, put it this way, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a little red meat around some things that I'm
Speaker 1: kind of honked off about, and something tells me I'll
Speaker 1: be ranting and raving about it tomorrow at nine. I
Speaker 1: wanted to let you know too that Dan Carroll Jason
Speaker 1: Williams are coming on after me. Two great men there.
Speaker 1: You definitely want to listen to that. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: We're kind of on the topic of what's going on
Speaker 1: in higher education. Of course, the college campus being the
Speaker 1: cesspool of non representative thought. I guess that's one way
Speaker 1: of saying it. You know, they are so so afraid
Speaker 1: to tell you both, or tell student more appropriately, both
Speaker 1: sides of an issue. And you know what, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, as far as I'm concerned, that's
Speaker 1: just cowardice. It's just abject, absolute cowardice. You know, they're
Speaker 1: afraid to say, well, you know, here's a guy, a
Speaker 1: speaker or whatever, or I'm going to give you kind
Speaker 1: of another read on things, because God forbid, then they
Speaker 1: might actually choose the other way. But anyway, the College Fix,
Speaker 1: we've been reading some stuff from that boy.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: The College Fix and Campus Reform are two wonderful online
Speaker 1: publications that and their students. They keep their eye on
Speaker 1: what's going on on the college campus. And I hope
Speaker 1: they wear a mask to class because college professors would
Speaker 1: have their knives out for these guys. They do a
Speaker 1: great job. Well anyway, you get all these things. At
Speaker 1: the end of the year most outrageous things that happened.
Speaker 1: The College Fix put together the twenty most Outrageous Campus stories.
Speaker 1: This is actually Spring twenty twenty four came out on
Speaker 1: June eighteenth, so presumably they'll be coming out with another one.
Speaker 1: But boy, there's some good ones in this one. Jennifer
Speaker 1: Cabani of The College Fix rights between the zany professors, well,
Speaker 1: that's a kind word absurd, cancel culture incidents, very appropriate,
Speaker 1: and students running amok campuses continue to illustrate. Why and
Speaker 1: this just lays the cheese on the crackers, if you will,
Speaker 1: why so many Americans have lost confidence in their institutions
Speaker 1: of higher learning? You think as the Spring twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four semester comes to a close again, this is written
Speaker 1: back in June. The College Fix offers, in no particular order,
Speaker 1: a highlight reel of some of the most outrageous moments
Speaker 1: campus life has proffered and you know, we kid around
Speaker 1: about this, and I mean just no getting around it.
Speaker 1: Some of it is humorous, but it's also very sad too.
Speaker 1: And guess what if, in fact it is a public institution,
Speaker 1: a state sponsored school, we're paying for it in one way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. Just a few of them here, and
Speaker 1: all they did was give me the headlines. If you
Speaker 1: want to read more about these things, I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you about. The article is entitled the College fixes
Speaker 1: twenty most outrageous Campus Stories of Spring twenty twenty four semester. Okay,
Speaker 1: see you. I'm assuming they mean Colorado University, although I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure. Professor dresses like a butterfly
Speaker 1: to fight climate anxiety. I gotta go back and read
Speaker 1: that one. SeeU Boulder professor dresses like a butterfly to
Speaker 1: fight climate anxiety. Let me tell you some about climate anxiety.
Speaker 1: These freaks are gonna be having a lot of climate
Speaker 1: anxiety for the next four years. That's gonna be fun
Speaker 1: to watch too. I love this one, and I wish
Speaker 1: they would have had this when I was in college
Speaker 1: because this would have helped me. Tongue kind of in
Speaker 1: cheek on that one. Oregon university will no longer give
Speaker 1: D minus and F grades, And I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess there's some stupid, politically correct reason for doing that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if that's the grading system that they're
Speaker 1: gonna use, I mean, what do you do? D minus
Speaker 1: is nothing the rite home about. But if they do
Speaker 1: it on a point system, which I think they're doing that,
Speaker 1: at least it gives you a little bit. But hey,
Speaker 1: it says remember the good old days when kids were
Speaker 1: actually expected to learn very very appropriate right on the money. Oh,
Speaker 1: reading along here this nonsense. Professor labels Michelangelo painting an
Speaker 1: example of are you ready? I will bet at least
Speaker 1: eighty percent of you would nail this one, because it's
Speaker 1: something they throw into everything. Professor labels Michelangelo painting example
Speaker 1: of white supremacy. Everything is white supremacy. So you know, Michelangelo,
Speaker 1: knock it off. You're a white supremacist and you need
Speaker 1: to stay where you are. The left despises true beauty
Speaker 1: as it goes on. And also everything is racist. Boy,
Speaker 1: you got that right? You know that word racism and racist.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say it. Really, Julie has lost all
Speaker 1: of its meaning, and that's because it's tossed around like
Speaker 1: penny candy, And are there still racist of both races
Speaker 1: or I should say of all races around? Thankfully, not
Speaker 1: very many at all. But they toss this thing around
Speaker 1: and hurl this insult at people and it just doesn't
Speaker 1: have any meeting anymore. You're gonna love this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go back and read the full thing on
Speaker 1: this one. Professor worries too many robots are not white
Speaker 1: supremacists but white God. Professor worries that too many robots
Speaker 1: are white. I'm not making this stuff up. I'm not
Speaker 1: making again. It's the the College Fix and it's right online.
Speaker 1: You can go get it if you don't believe me.
Speaker 1: Syracuse micro Aggressions and Microaggressions. I think of the things
Speaker 1: that little things episs liberals off, micro aggressions. I think
Speaker 1: that's what they're Syracuse micro Aggressions Workshop. It's a workshop
Speaker 1: that they set up looking at a service animal micro assault.
Speaker 1: I gotta look at that. And the editorial comment on
Speaker 1: that one is they're scraping the bottom of the barrel
Speaker 1: with this one. Oh, I gotta be fee be a
Speaker 1: little bit careful how I say this one University and
Speaker 1: it doesn't say which one it would in the full
Speaker 1: text universal Man universities ejaculate Responsibly. I guess I could
Speaker 1: say that campaign blames men for unwanted pregnancies. Universities ejaculate responsibility,
Speaker 1: campaign blames men for unwanted pregnancies. And the editorial thing
Speaker 1: from the college fix on that there's a punchline in
Speaker 1: here somewhere, ed.
Speaker 2: I think they're right.
Speaker 1: Oh, back to the usual nonsense. George Mason University professor
Speaker 1: teaches that marriage promotes what else, white supremacy. So if
Speaker 1: you get married, presumably, according to this idiot, you're a
Speaker 1: white supremacist. This one is just typical college force. I
Speaker 1: don't know what college forces athletes to watch only Whites
Speaker 1: are racist video? There you again, people exhibit a exhibit
Speaker 1: a of one side of an issue. What he's saying,
Speaker 1: the premise is just absurd. It's absolutely absurd. But you
Speaker 1: can bet your bottom dollar that there ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: any rebuttal on that maybe the students. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta tell you, we went to college.
Speaker 1: I was up at UC seventy four on and off
Speaker 1: seventy four to about nineteen seventy nine. And when these
Speaker 1: professors started saying this wacky stuff, my group of friends
Speaker 1: known as the nit Tite group, all police cadets with me.
Speaker 2: We didn't let them get away with it.
Speaker 1: I mean we were in their face, in their face
Speaker 1: in a respectful way. And luckily, back in the day,
Speaker 1: almost all of those exams were Unless you're my age,
Speaker 1: you probably don't remember blue books, and we didn't have
Speaker 1: to put our names on it. But I guess if
Speaker 1: the professor really wanted to find out who it was,
Speaker 1: they could. But I don't remember any example of a
Speaker 1: teacher getting even so to speak with any of us.
Speaker 1: All right, moving right along here. Mandatory prayer to Mama
Speaker 1: Earth in UCLA Med school structural Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know you hear, there's so many different racisms. Mandatory prayer
Speaker 1: to not Mother Earth, Mama Earth. You pray to Mama
Speaker 1: Earth in UCLA Med school in a structural racism class. Now,
Speaker 1: let me acces this question. What does racism, structural racism,
Speaker 1: or racism in any form have to do with medical school?
Speaker 1: And that's a big deal. Now there's kind of a
Speaker 1: movement afoot of sensible doctors to kind of end this nonsense.
Speaker 1: Cut it off at the pass. Hey, listen, let's do this.
Speaker 1: Let's take a short break, be back for just a
Speaker 1: little bit. After the break, Mike Allen in for Willie
Speaker 1: seven WLW. Hey, we're back closing minutes of this show.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen and poor Willie Cunningham, followed by Dan Carroll
Speaker 1: and Jason Williams. They're going to be doing it together.
Speaker 1: That'll be good. Two very good men right there. I
Speaker 1: will be back in the Saturday morning seat tomorrow nine
Speaker 1: to noon, also doing Willie's Show next Wednesday, and doing
Speaker 1: Sloany Show next Thursday. I wanted to thank Sean, my
Speaker 1: excellent producer, and I'm doing it now because if I
Speaker 1: don't do it now, I'll probably forget. Got a few
Speaker 1: minutes left here. There's a couple more of these things
Speaker 1: that I got a hit with you. The nonsense, the
Speaker 1: absolute nonsense on the American college campus, all right, mandatory
Speaker 1: Arizona State University course teaches journalism students or teaches journey
Speaker 1: students against asking are you ready for this? Where are
Speaker 1: you from? Because it is racist. So in some way
Speaker 1: if I ask, presumably white guy, black guy, whatever, hey man,
Speaker 1: where are you from? I'm a racist that's just the absurdity,
Speaker 1: that just the abject absurdity that this stuff has come to.
Speaker 1: And at some point, at some time, we're going to
Speaker 1: have to get a hold of this and right the
Speaker 1: ship on the college campus. And I know that is
Speaker 1: easier said than done, no question about that. Well, the
Speaker 1: last one here again the college fixed. This was just
Speaker 1: from a couple of days ago. And again at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, you get all these things, the
Speaker 1: top twenty stupid things that liberals do, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: This one is. There were twenty one campus hate crime
Speaker 1: hoaxes uncovered in twenty twenty four. I'm gonna save the
Speaker 1: best one for last year, Okay, coming in at number two.
Speaker 1: Illinois State University can't verify the use of a racial
Speaker 1: slur by a fan. After interviewing forty seven count on
Speaker 1: forty seven people and reviewing hours of footage, the public
Speaker 1: university in Normal, Illinois said in January it couldnot quote
Speaker 1: verify the use of a racial slur close quote by
Speaker 1: a basketball fan that allegedly occurred during a game in
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty three. So obviously, if that happened,
Speaker 1: it's not right. But does it justify interviewing forty seven
Speaker 1: people watching hours of footage. And the question I have
Speaker 1: is another question, how much money did this public university
Speaker 1: spend on this? You know, if he said it and
Speaker 1: he was surrounded by his friends, you know, let them
Speaker 1: take care of it. It's just you. I mean, nobody
Speaker 1: can condone that, and I certainly am not condoning it.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be a little common sense in
Speaker 1: this stuff. Although that's a lot to ask. This one,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say for last because this one really
Speaker 1: really hits a nerve with me. Eighteen years after almost
Speaker 1: ruining the lives of three duke lacrosse players, stripper slash
Speaker 1: murderer admits to making it all up. That story broke
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. And you know, I guess
Speaker 1: it depends on what age are, whether you remember this
Speaker 1: or not. It was unbelievable. That's just long story short.
Speaker 1: I believe it was three duke lacrosse players. This fraternity,
Speaker 1: I guess it was the lacrosse fraternity had a party
Speaker 1: and they invited a couple of strippers. Not a good idea,
Speaker 1: not a good idea at all. Well, one of the
Speaker 1: strippers told the cops that the boys raped her. The
Speaker 1: young men raped her. It didn't happen. There was zero
Speaker 1: credible evidence. The prosecutor's name was Mike Nyphong. He was
Speaker 1: running for reelection and he was reaping all of this
Speaker 1: public for the time, public praise for what he did.
Speaker 1: He ended up he had to resign and he actually
Speaker 1: went to jail for one year. But let me in
Speaker 1: the closings. I want to just single out one person
Speaker 1: for a real raspberry on this, and that's Nancy Grace,
Speaker 1: the alleged legal analyst. Back then, she frickasied these boys.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just awful and she didn't apologize.
Speaker 1: And since this woman come out and it said it
Speaker 1: was a lie, said nothing and that ain't right. Hey,
Speaker 1: but I'm out of time. Thanks again to Willie for
Speaker 1: let me sub for him. I'll be in tomorrow morning.
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