Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
Speaker 1: AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app. The Dow is down about two
Speaker 1: point five percent, about one thousand points, helping us follow
Speaker 1: all of the volatility on Wall Street, as our friend
Speaker 1: Merlin Rothfeld joins us.
Speaker 2: Now, Merlin, thanks for your time.
Speaker 3: My pleasures always thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Comes at a premium on a week like this, I
Speaker 1: would imagine, is this what's your reaction to what we've seen?
Speaker 1: First of all this.
Speaker 3: Week, I would say this is zero surprise. There's not
Speaker 3: even a percentage of surprise of what's going on. We've
Speaker 3: been talking about it since the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: And when you have such an extreme amount of regime change,
Speaker 3: political change, and all the campaign promises we know going
Speaker 3: into this year is just incredible uncertainty. And having done
Speaker 3: this for twenty eight years, training only my own money,
Speaker 3: not on other accounts, this is just the worst thing
Speaker 3: in markets. Markets do not want uncertainty. Anything with clarity,
Speaker 3: great markets will trend, things are rosy, whether it's up
Speaker 3: or down. Now it's just some uncertainty. So as a
Speaker 3: short term trader, this is nirvana. This is the utopia
Speaker 3: you've been dreaming about. If you're a long term investor,
Speaker 3: you're losing your hair and you'll continue to lose it
Speaker 3: for the next few months.
Speaker 2: What kind of things? What do you look for?
Speaker 4: I mean, is there a magic number that kind of
Speaker 4: gives you the temperature of the market for the day
Speaker 4: or for the week? You know, those shorter term time limits.
Speaker 4: Because a lot of people look at the Dow and
Speaker 4: they say, it was up a lot yesterday, Now it's
Speaker 4: down a lot today, and then tomorrow it's going to
Speaker 4: be up again, and then the next day it's going
Speaker 4: to be down again.
Speaker 2: Is there something that's more consistent that you keep your
Speaker 2: eye on.
Speaker 3: Sure, I would say there's a bunch of market mantras
Speaker 3: that I think people resonate with, and one of them
Speaker 3: is my personal favorite. If I was to get a tattoo,
Speaker 3: would be this right across my chest. It would say
Speaker 3: the trend is your friend until the bend at the end,
Speaker 3: which is so academic and basic, but essentially what it
Speaker 3: means is as the market moves in one direction, it
Speaker 3: will continue to do so. And since two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine up until twenty twenty four, it was only up
Speaker 3: except for the COVID drop. Now what we're witnessing is
Speaker 3: a series of lower highs, lower lows, which means the
Speaker 3: trend is now to the downside. And I hate to
Speaker 3: freak out those of you nearing retirement, but the probability
Speaker 3: is pretty good that we're going to continue lower. My
Speaker 3: guess is that we're going to bounce off this twenty
Speaker 3: percent decline mark from the market, that number being right
Speaker 3: around four thousand and eight hundred. That's about twenty percent
Speaker 3: off the all time high for the SMP. We've already
Speaker 3: bounced off that three times. We'll probably hit it a
Speaker 3: couple more as we approach it. The Fed will probably
Speaker 3: step in and try to support the market as they
Speaker 3: did in two thousand and eight identical picture. And once
Speaker 3: that level breaks, we'll probably see continue moved to the
Speaker 3: downside until we get structured clarity on tariffs, on trade,
Speaker 3: on budget and all that stuff. So to me, to
Speaker 3: answer your question, the trend is your friend. Right now,
Speaker 3: the trend is down. I'm betting if the markets are
Speaker 3: going down.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Merlin Rothfeld. He actually took all of
Speaker 1: his experience to Europe. He built a financial training materials
Speaker 1: lab essentially for banks and brokerages and universities, and we're
Speaker 1: hearing about the EU and its a response today as well.
Speaker 1: Globally speaking, Merlin, how do you see the rest of
Speaker 1: the week playing out in terms of reaction to what's
Speaker 1: going on here?
Speaker 3: Just like we have the first three days of the week,
Speaker 3: you know it's going to be big ups or sorry
Speaker 3: report it is a week big ups, big downs, and
Speaker 3: just a lot of uncertainty as we try to put
Speaker 3: these chips in place. You know, if you look at
Speaker 3: the politics of what's going on and not to polarize
Speaker 3: either party either way, we're going to get this market volatility.
Speaker 3: What we have with this unilateral reciprocal tariff issue is
Speaker 3: we are now alienating our friends and allies in Mexico
Speaker 3: and Canada and Europe, and that move starts to bring
Speaker 3: the question does Europe now start to side with China?
Speaker 3: Does it push them closer to China, make them more
Speaker 3: of an ally? Which is why I think Trump's decision
Speaker 3: was an interesting one to stop the reciprocal tariffs, and
Speaker 3: that kind of makes peace with everybody. So now we
Speaker 3: look like we're more friends with them. I don't know
Speaker 3: where we stand in three to six months. I do
Speaker 3: think that the rest of the world is looking at
Speaker 3: the decisions by President Trump going what the heck are
Speaker 3: you doing, Bud? You know, why, why are you going
Speaker 3: to do this? Thus, whether you agree with the terraces
Speaker 3: or not is none of my business, you know. I'm
Speaker 3: just a trader trying to capitalize on these market moves.
Speaker 3: I don't know how Europe's going to ultimately come out
Speaker 3: of this. I do know that there is some angst.
Speaker 3: My friends that live in Europe look at it as
Speaker 3: an active possibility, and they, you know, look at me going,
Speaker 3: what are you doing as an American? Like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 3: just an American trying to do my best, you know, increase
Speaker 3: my net worth over time and trade these markets. So
Speaker 3: I can't give you definitive answer on that one. As
Speaker 3: far as what I think Europe is going to do,
Speaker 3: I do think that they will start to come to
Speaker 3: the table and negotiate. As you look across the spectrum here,
Speaker 3: the United States and China are the two bullies in
Speaker 3: the school yard. And typically when you have a fight
Speaker 3: in the schoolyard, Gary Wum, I remember this. I go
Speaker 3: out by the gym at the end of school and
Speaker 3: there's that big fight between the two big bullies. All
Speaker 3: the small kids stand around and shouting, and you know
Speaker 3: that was me. I was the one standing in inside, shouting, yelling.
Speaker 3: The bully can knock me out right away, right The
Speaker 3: US can knock out Vietnam and Cambodi in Thailand with
Speaker 3: regards to tariffs. We can bully them into submission, which
Speaker 3: we are doing, I hate to say it. China, on
Speaker 3: the other hand, is the big juggernaut that we can't
Speaker 3: really bully. So I think this is going to escalate
Speaker 3: and come to a head here in the next couple
Speaker 3: of months. I don't know what the ultimate outcome will be.
Speaker 3: I do think you'll see more downside movement though.
Speaker 1: Did a lot of people take advantage of this? Like
Speaker 1: you said, it was not a surprise. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was a surprise either. I mean, I could we
Speaker 1: could have charted this out in our opinion. Is watching
Speaker 1: this happen knowing that Donald Trump doesn't have the kind
Speaker 1: of personality where he was just going to let Wall
Speaker 1: Street bleed forever, you know, or even another week. Were
Speaker 1: there a lot of people who saw the low numbers
Speaker 1: jumped in and then knew that it would rally the
Speaker 1: way it did when he finally said, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: pause this whole deal.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say the one thing for certain the
Speaker 3: markets is nothing as certain. So to make it ifid
Speaker 3: it seeming like did people absolutely know? No, I think
Speaker 3: people suspect it. You know, when you look across the
Speaker 3: spectrum at like the magnificent seven stocks, which is you know, Google, Amazon, Tesla,
Speaker 3: and Vidia, most of those which have been leading this
Speaker 3: market up to record games twenty five plus percent gains
Speaker 3: per year for the last two years. That's all because
Speaker 3: those seven stocks, and as those start to drop, as
Speaker 3: they have aggressively. I mean, Tesla's down was down over
Speaker 3: fifty percent. There does come a group of people like
Speaker 3: myself when I look at my long term accounts, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure most of your audience in their investment accounts,
Speaker 3: look at something like Tesla and at fifty percent drop,
Speaker 3: going hey, I may not be keying a Tesla, or
Speaker 3: I may not like Elon Musk, but as a company
Speaker 3: they're shaping the future of technology, of AI, of robotics,
Speaker 3: of you know, all sorts of different areas. It's probably
Speaker 3: a good deal fifty percent down, I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people believe that and looking for value buys, so
Speaker 3: it'll bounce accordingly. But again I keep emphasizing it. I
Speaker 3: do think will slowly trick lower, probably ending the year
Speaker 3: down right around I would say probably about thirty percent
Speaker 3: slide per the year from the piece that tattoo.
Speaker 2: Are you thinking like Sanskrit comic.
Speaker 4: Sandi's New Roman? I would suggest, Franklin gossip, I like
Speaker 4: just style.
Speaker 3: You like, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I have to
Speaker 3: create my own thought for that one. And you know
Speaker 3: you said something funny earlier. I wanted to say. You
Speaker 3: talked about, you know, a higher education kun of being
Speaker 3: a waste. I look at my degree. I have a
Speaker 3: finance degree, and I would say, on for the most part,
Speaker 3: a colossal waste of time and money. Other than the
Speaker 3: networking and friends I made. The most significant thing my
Speaker 3: finance degree taught me was the utopian view of how
Speaker 3: the financial markets actually operate. In reality, it's the complete opposite.
Speaker 3: The markets do what least people expect it to do.
Speaker 3: So right now, people think the markets are going to
Speaker 3: rally because Trump's going to save the day. I think
Speaker 3: we're gonna keep going down.
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, Marlin Thank you so much, appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: I'm glad any time Merlin Rothfield, They'll follow him on,
Speaker 4: follow him on X. You can follow him at Trader
Speaker 4: Merlin and get some of that great information up next,
Speaker 4: there's a book that's out and it pulls a curtain
Speaker 4: back on something that I think we all had a
Speaker 4: inkling about. But the description of the descriptions of how
Speaker 4: close people were to Joe Biden and what he literally
Speaker 4: looked like up close, and his behavior up close.
Speaker 1: You and I watched from a country away in this
Speaker 1: coal could tell that it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
Speaker 5: AM six forty.
Speaker 1: ABC News anchored George Stephanopolis reportedly said his post debate
Speaker 1: interview with Biden was heartbreaking up close. This is the
Speaker 1: new book we talked about, I believe last week, Chris
Speaker 1: Whipple's new book. It's called Uncharted, How Trump beat Biden,
Speaker 1: Harris and the Odds and the wildest campaign in history.
Speaker 2: Gosh, you could write that about every camp.
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like every campaign, the next one
Speaker 1: is the wildest one.
Speaker 2: Or the most important, exactly the last one right.
Speaker 1: Whipple described Biden as horse semi coherent throughout the interviews,
Speaker 1: said Stephanopolis was equally disappointed. Whipple wrote, Stephanopolis questioned the
Speaker 1: president gently, like a grandson. Afterward, when I asked the
Speaker 1: ABC anchor my buy email for his impressions, he replied,
Speaker 1: heartbreaking up.
Speaker 2: Close, of course, it is.
Speaker 1: We've all seen it with relatives, or some of us
Speaker 1: have seen it with aging relatives. Used to be on
Speaker 1: top of their game, quick, quick as hell, and then
Speaker 1: when they're not.
Speaker 2: It's very heartbreaking, yeah, because I.
Speaker 4: Mean, they're technically the sale there, but they don't seem
Speaker 4: like the same person, right, And that's a hard thing
Speaker 4: to give up for a lot of people. The you know,
Speaker 4: the identity of who this loved one that is different.
Speaker 4: It to me is very telling that we've seen one
Speaker 4: public event with President Biden one since he left office.
Speaker 4: And listen, I don't begrudge any president their privacy because
Speaker 4: I can't imagine and what it's like to be in
Speaker 4: the office in the first place. I can't imagine the
Speaker 4: relief you would feel or the just the letdown that
Speaker 4: you would feel after you're out of office and things relax.
Speaker 4: But it is significant that people don't go to him
Speaker 4: to ask him questions about the current economy and listen,
Speaker 4: part of that.
Speaker 2: Is just curs.
Speaker 1: You hear about Obama every day, and you know, age
Speaker 1: is obviously a factor when it comes to that, but
Speaker 1: it is weird to me.
Speaker 4: I'll say the same thing about the first Lady of
Speaker 4: the United States. When's the last time you saw Malania
Speaker 4: Trump in any capacity? She doesn't want to have anything
Speaker 4: to do with the public spotlight. Understandable, but for her
Speaker 4: it's probably a different reason than it is for Joe
Speaker 4: and Jill Biden. They are protecting him. It seems like
Speaker 4: from just getting too much.
Speaker 1: Caring That on for as long as they did was
Speaker 1: really criminal, It really was.
Speaker 4: It makes me wonder more about the ongoing discussions that
Speaker 4: were taking place between Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, right
Speaker 4: these two, I don't know, stalwarts of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: What were those conversations actually like and did it ever
Speaker 4: cross the line of Listen, I'm not coming to you
Speaker 4: as the minority leader in Congress and you as the
Speaker 4: President of the United States. I'm coming to you as
Speaker 4: somebody who's known you for the last forty five years,
Speaker 4: and I'm seeing something in you that needs to be
Speaker 4: addressed well.
Speaker 1: And you know, I catch how, Oh you don't say
Speaker 1: anything about Trump. He's old and crazy. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: always been crazy. I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that's who he is. His behavior has been
Speaker 1: the same as it was the first term. It's been
Speaker 1: the I remember interviews I saw with him in the eighties.
Speaker 1: He is the same guy. Biden was not the same guy.
Speaker 1: He was old plus not the same guy. He wasn't
Speaker 1: himself and everyone could see it. And the idea that
Speaker 1: you were saying, Oh, but he's fine, he's going to
Speaker 1: keep running. It's gonna know what world are you living.
Speaker 4: In looking at that guy and jesting that he's got
Speaker 4: for four strong years?
Speaker 2: And lord, what a mess? What just a complete denial.
Speaker 1: And if you care about the person, I always thought
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was a nice guy. I mean, agree with
Speaker 1: him or disagree with him. He was super likable. I
Speaker 1: liked him from what I saw about him.
Speaker 2: And if you liked him, you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Why would you keep trotting this guy out there?
Speaker 1: If you care about him, freaking take care of him
Speaker 1: and take care of his legacy. You're gonna let him
Speaker 1: go out like that. That to me, it's like the homeless.
Speaker 1: Oh you care so much about the homeless, you're gonna
Speaker 1: let them just go pour needles into their arms.
Speaker 2: All that's really caring? Doesn't them continue to live?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really caring.
Speaker 4: We talked earlier about this record breaking couple, these schoolgirl
Speaker 4: friends who had been sending cards back the same literally
Speaker 4: the same birthday card, back and forth to each other
Speaker 4: for decades.
Speaker 6: Gary and Shannon, I just wanted to tell you, when
Speaker 6: my grandson was around eleven, twelve, thirteen years old, I
Speaker 6: noticed when I gave him his birthday card, he took
Speaker 6: the money out of the card and just tossed the.
Speaker 2: Car a sign no interest.
Speaker 6: So I picked it up out of the backseat of
Speaker 6: my car, and I gave it same guard to him
Speaker 6: the next year, and the next year and the next year.
Speaker 1: That's a lesson you should learn very early on in life,
Speaker 1: to the point where you don't even remember learning the
Speaker 1: lesson because you were so young when we when you
Speaker 1: learned it that you got a card from a family
Speaker 1: member and you took the money out without looking at
Speaker 1: the card. I mean, I look at cards to this
Speaker 1: day with such interest because That lesson was so impounded
Speaker 1: in my brain at such a young age of Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're going to.
Speaker 2: Read the card.
Speaker 1: You're going to look at the little Easter bunny or
Speaker 1: the egg or whatever it is or your birthday, you know, car,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna read it. You're gonna read the inscription
Speaker 1: and all of that and then get to whatever was
Speaker 1: put in.
Speaker 2: Like that's a lesson that you should learn.
Speaker 1: Also, another lesson that I think that has gone by
Speaker 1: the wayside is thank you. Teaching your kids to say
Speaker 1: thank you. It is the simplest thing you can do,
Speaker 1: and there's so many adults that lack that skill.
Speaker 2: I'm floored by it. And when it's kids, it's almost worse.
Speaker 1: But when it's adult, you're like, how did you get
Speaker 1: through childhood without thanking people?
Speaker 2: I was hyper aware.
Speaker 4: I don't know why this weekend's different than other weekends,
Speaker 4: but I was hyper aware of the way I was
Speaker 4: talking to UH waiters and waitresses when I was in
Speaker 4: Texas with my wife and daughter. And I don't know why,
Speaker 4: but I was as absolutely friendly as I could. Thank
Speaker 4: thank you for the extra syrup, eye contact and everything,
Speaker 4: like stop what I'm doing, not looking at my phone,
Speaker 4: but thanking them for everything that they would come by
Speaker 4: has everything?
Speaker 2: Okay, is this enough? Yes? Everything's great.
Speaker 1: Eye contact I was at I think it was because
Speaker 1: it was your story about the guy that you were
Speaker 1: going out with one time that we rude to the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, these are real people, like you know, and
Speaker 1: it's just eye contact, having eye contact with people. I
Speaker 1: was with Joe in Orange County somewhere, I forget where.
Speaker 1: We were having lunch and the waitress came by and
Speaker 1: she's like, Hey, can I get you guys something to
Speaker 1: drink or whatever?
Speaker 2: And I was like, Hi, how are you? And she's
Speaker 2: like a good, thank you, how are you?
Speaker 1: Like? It was such a shock that somebody would make
Speaker 1: eye contact and have like a human conversation as opposed
Speaker 1: to You're just here to do something for.
Speaker 2: Me, transactional thing. Yeah, I'll take the Uh. She was
Speaker 2: like what it was like? It totally took her off guard.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: Up next a little wellness segment to get to we
Speaker 4: have some interesting stories about what you're hearing level.
Speaker 2: Your hearing level says about your.
Speaker 4: Risk of heart disease, and there's a very interesting aspect
Speaker 4: of it that I noticed in my parents when they
Speaker 4: started getting a little bit older.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, when the hearing goes, everything goes, including
Speaker 1: the heart, right, I mean it all starts breaking down.
Speaker 1: At some point you get lucky enough to live long
Speaker 1: enough and everything breaks.
Speaker 2: Gary Chennon will care you go feel good. Thursday rolls on.
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Speaker 2: I forgot to ask.
Speaker 4: You have our little wellness thing, the little desk ready
Speaker 4: to go so we can play a little like Blue
Speaker 4: La Lou. It's wellness time. Okay, well, then let's hit
Speaker 4: that thing and we'll get into our wellness segment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right, No, no future. He spends most
Speaker 2: of his day at the office city into the variot,
Speaker 2: preferably some exercise late in the afternoon. I never exercised a.
Speaker 1: Day in my line.
Speaker 2: You just got to sit here and wait till die.
Speaker 1: Every morning I smoke a cigarette and for lunch, I
Speaker 1: eat a bacon sandwich, and I usually drink my dinner.
Speaker 5: It's time for Gary and Shannon's Periodic Guide for Wellness
Speaker 5: and Personal Improvement for your health.
Speaker 1: Which grain juice should I drink while you're doing this one,
Speaker 1: the darker one. Are you sure I've got a home
Speaker 1: right home? Okay, it seems like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of fiber in this This one's got celery and
Speaker 1: cucumber and kale and parsley and romaine and wheat, grass
Speaker 1: and cilantro and basil and mint and spinach and dill
Speaker 1: and fennel.
Speaker 2: Send you home with a roll of roll of paper towels. Yeah,
Speaker 2: are you sure about this? Totally?
Speaker 4: All right, let's see because I don't have to clean
Speaker 4: out the front seat. More than sixty million people around
Speaker 4: the world suffer from heart failure, and the most common
Speaker 4: causes would be heart disease and high blood pressure and obesity.
Speaker 4: But there's a new study in the journal Heart that
Speaker 4: says that hearing loss is linked to a heightened risk
Speaker 4: of heart failure.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's awful. Yeah, you're going to finish
Speaker 2: that whole thing. Okay, you opened it.
Speaker 4: So it doesn't mean heart failure, doesn't mean that it
Speaker 4: stops working all together. It just means that the heart
Speaker 4: needs extra support to do its job. And what they
Speaker 4: have said in this new study is that about four
Speaker 4: thousand of the people who were studied with heart failure
Speaker 4: were hearing aids. Those who didn't were categorized as having
Speaker 4: either normal or insufficient or poor hearing. And what they
Speaker 4: said was on an average follow up of about a
Speaker 4: dozen years later, about three percent of the people in
Speaker 4: the study develop heart failure. People with the insufficient or
Speaker 4: poor hearing had a fifteen to twenty eight percent higher
Speaker 4: risk of heart failure compared to those who lived with
Speaker 4: normal hearing. This is an observational study. It can't prove
Speaker 4: that hearing loss actually causes heart failure, but that there
Speaker 4: is some kind of link there. Now, as we've seen
Speaker 4: and know, if you've got family that has reached a
Speaker 4: certain age and hearing starts to go, if they don't
Speaker 4: stay on top of it, it can be a massive
Speaker 4: problem and have much more of an impact than just
Speaker 4: hearing loss.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm curious about.
Speaker 1: How does hearing loss impact the other I can understand
Speaker 1: all of the things breaking down at once, but you're
Speaker 1: saying that the hearing loss impacts the other organs.
Speaker 4: Or the key is the social isolation that comes with
Speaker 4: hearing problems. And you can hear I mean you can
Speaker 4: see it in people in their fifties in some cases
Speaker 4: in their sixties where if they can't hear very well,
Speaker 4: they're not involved in conversations as much as they were before.
Speaker 4: They have purposely avoid social situations where they would be
Speaker 4: maybe surrounded by people that different.
Speaker 1: The ice we've talked about being isolated affects your health.
Speaker 2: This is kind of the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, it then can not always, but it can increase
Speaker 4: the psychological distress that you have. It can and all
Speaker 4: of that obviously simply the body stress response, the inflammation,
Speaker 4: the damage to the blood vessels, all of those things
Speaker 4: trickling down from the social isolation because you can't hear
Speaker 4: very well, trickles down to the things that make your
Speaker 4: heart work harder and make your heart need.
Speaker 2: Money SAE help. I see that makes sense. That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: They said that people who with poor hearing and those
Speaker 4: who were hearing aids had a similar increase in the
Speaker 4: heart risk failure, suggesting that while hearing aids can help you,
Speaker 4: they don't fix those underlying blood flow problems that might
Speaker 4: be driving that risk. My dad didn't get hearing aids
Speaker 4: until the last year of his life, and even then
Speaker 4: it was a frustrating endeavor because if they're not right,
Speaker 4: they don't work exactly right, or you'd get the new
Speaker 4: technology that doesn't you know, is not the same as
Speaker 4: the older technology. It's it can be super frustrating, which
Speaker 4: all it does. All that does is add to that
Speaker 4: psychological stress that's already you know, a burden on your health.
Speaker 1: And there's a whole rigmarole of is something wrong with
Speaker 1: your ears too?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Oh, you know, do.
Speaker 1: You have build up in your ears or what have
Speaker 1: there's that hurdle to get over to on the on
Speaker 1: the path to hearing aids. Yeah, you know, and plus
Speaker 1: both can be true.
Speaker 2: Some of it. Some of it is stubbornness. Some of
Speaker 2: it is like I just don't feel like I need
Speaker 2: hearing it.
Speaker 4: Or if you're in that category, if you're in their
Speaker 4: fifties or your sixties, you think to yourself, hearing aids
Speaker 4: are for old people.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be old people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that sucks to you know, but guess what,
Speaker 1: it's better to have the And they're super tasteful these days.
Speaker 1: Too tasteful they are. You can barely tell them say fashionable.
Speaker 1: Well I would go that far. But you can wear
Speaker 1: hearing aids and it's not a big deal. No one,
Speaker 1: No one knows. No one's going to look at you
Speaker 1: and think you're old. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like when Richie looks at your toes and he's like.
Speaker 1: Old, people won't do that when you Okay, to be clear,
Speaker 1: he didn't say old, he said gray.
Speaker 2: That was a really fun conversation. And I know people
Speaker 2: who have gray hair that are not old at all.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: My dad started getting gray hair when he was like
Speaker 1: thirty and now he's dead.
Speaker 2: See all that worked.
Speaker 4: Out that that escalated very quickly.
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Speaker 4: We were talking earlier about the kid who wrote the
Speaker 4: college essay that was like, no, I'm probably too good
Speaker 4: for college, but I'll go just for the social aspect
Speaker 4: of it. Yeah, and got turned away from everything, despite
Speaker 4: the fact that he's probably a multi millionaire already for
Speaker 4: his startup that he founded.
Speaker 3: You know what's.
Speaker 7: Funny is all of the teachers that I had in
Speaker 7: high school told me I wasn't going to amount to
Speaker 7: because I didn't want to go to college. And now
Speaker 7: here I sit in a pizza heavy equipment on the
Speaker 7: side of the freeway in southern California, making more than
Speaker 7: those teachers made ever in their lives.
Speaker 4: There is a I honor you, sir for actually doing
Speaker 4: a job and getting dirty and having calluses on your hands.
Speaker 2: That's good. Let me see those hands. No, they're all clean. Huh,
Speaker 2: they're clean. They're clean and saw times.
Speaker 4: Okay, I get home from work, I'll walk over to
Speaker 4: the little dirt patch that's by my lawn in the front,
Speaker 4: and I'll just stick my hands in the dirt like this.
Speaker 2: So when I walk in, the first thing I do
Speaker 2: is I wash my hands. My wife's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: must have worked today.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you have any projects right now
Speaker 1: that you're working on at the house.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to figure out what to do with
Speaker 4: the laundry room. I want to take the cabinets out
Speaker 4: and put new cabinets up and then build a surround around.
Speaker 2: The washer and dryer.
Speaker 4: But my wife doesn't like the washer and dryer that
Speaker 4: we curtainly have, so I'm not going to build something
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna have to then take out them.
Speaker 2: We'll go in the go in the shelving around the
Speaker 2: washer and dryer. What goes in the shelf, Yeah, laundry stuff.
Speaker 1: Like there's severick sauce, so there's like one one little
Speaker 1: cubby that you would need, right, Like you don't need.
Speaker 2: A whole walling shelf. No, no, no no.
Speaker 4: And the cabinet itself is there's like batteries and light
Speaker 4: bulbs and pantry style things.
Speaker 1: I mean not that cabin try is about a need.
Speaker 1: It's about building cabinets, which is cool.
Speaker 4: And I've got a cabinet there. It's fully, fully functional.
Speaker 2: It's just what kind of wood would you use? Pine
Speaker 2: I would buy a cabinet. I don't think I would. Really,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't build it?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't have my grandfather who wore a similar
Speaker 1: jacket relaxed build cabinet.
Speaker 4: Your grandfather also had a table saw, probably, and I
Speaker 4: don't have that.
Speaker 2: Not that I couldn't get one, but.
Speaker 1: Where she could you get one? At the depot. It's
Speaker 1: just one of those circular things, right, I'm sorry. Do
Speaker 1: you have a work bench, Yes, you should have a saw.
Speaker 2: I agree. I do have a saw.
Speaker 4: I have a chop saw, but I don't have I
Speaker 4: don't have a table saw, which would be different to
Speaker 4: cut the panels down to make into the cabinets.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, are we not in America?
Speaker 2: I don't even know what a table saw is.
Speaker 4: You made that very obvious when you did this with
Speaker 4: your hand.
Speaker 2: And this is one of those circular things. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 2: Is it a circle? The saw blade is a circle? Yes?
Speaker 1: And it goes on the table like I have I
Speaker 1: been advertised to correctly when I look at home depot ads.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're just it goes on a table.
Speaker 4: No, like a work I'm imagine with a saw that
Speaker 4: comes up through the right there. Yeah, that's a saw.
Speaker 4: That's a table saw, and I don't have that.
Speaker 1: So do you build other things with that other than
Speaker 1: cabin try really anything? You could slice any piece of
Speaker 1: wood for anything, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I would use it to cut down the plywood
Speaker 4: panels that would then turn into the box that becomes
Speaker 4: the cabinet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If you were to build your own cabinets, what kind
Speaker 1: of wood would you use?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Quarter inch birch, probably birch, something like that. Yeah, finished
Speaker 4: on one side, maybe finished on both sides. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I would love to build something and say I built that. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm never going to trust you with a saw of
Speaker 4: any kind. That's probably not going to happen. Maybe we
Speaker 4: give you a couple of sticks to glue.
Speaker 2: Together, postacle sticks. Call it it all right.
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