Speaker 1: We are the music makers and we are the dreamers
Speaker 1: of dreams. Imagine what would it happen if we had
Speaker 1: and attracted the magic we had back when we couldn't
Speaker 1: fathom life is the fantasy, not with the fanity.
Speaker 2: Not the way it was back then.
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Speaker 3: It down like a scripture.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan, Welcome to met A Mystics or you don't know
Speaker 2: what you don't know? My name is Jonathan and Sean
Speaker 2: is a little under the weather tonight. That's all right,
Speaker 2: just sending good vibes and good frequencies tonight, sir.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that would be greatly appreciated for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah dude, Well, tonight is actually a special night. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we couldn't record this past Wednesday. It was Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to spend time with their family and everything.
Speaker 2: But that's why we're doing it this Friday. And I
Speaker 2: actually think we're gonna have to do the same thing
Speaker 2: next week because New Year's Eve is Wednesday, So all
Speaker 2: the good things happened. Happened on Wednesdays, That's all right.
Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't.
Speaker 3: Love a hump day, you know, right exactly?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so tonight it was I had Actually I
Speaker 2: reached out to Jacob. I went on to the Cult
Speaker 2: Live show the other night and I said that we
Speaker 2: were preparing to do this show, the Jesus Versus Paul Show,
Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, well, I'm not shocked and
Speaker 2: you didn't invite me, And I was like, I didn't
Speaker 2: think you would want to please come, like I would love.
Speaker 2: I would love to battle like what I've taken in
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks with all of this
Speaker 2: against you. Who's somebody who's been with their entire life,
Speaker 2: you know, because he was raised that way. I wasn't
Speaker 2: raised in this stuff. Like I have no bias towards
Speaker 2: this one way or another, Like I'm not angry at Christianity.
Speaker 2: I was not like subdued by it, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people who are you know, recovering still from it
Speaker 2: and some of the people that are still in it,
Speaker 2: and no shade thrown against people that are still believing
Speaker 2: in Christianity. There's a lot of people that are still
Speaker 2: very Christian right. But the reason why we wanted to
Speaker 2: bring this show today was because I believe that by
Speaker 2: showing the difference in between what Paul and what Jesus said,
Speaker 2: it will lend more validity to the Nagamadi right.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, dude. And this episode, I think, for
Speaker 3: sure is probably going to be more for the people
Speaker 3: that are either on the fence when it comes to Christianity,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, or even people that are
Speaker 3: really still immersed in it, but like have questions, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like for someone like you and I,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter either way. I think, like any
Speaker 3: of the information that here tonight, it's gonna be interesting,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, But as far as like it
Speaker 3: changing my life in any way, I don't think. So.
Speaker 2: You know, well, actually I think you might be wrong.
Speaker 3: Am I gonna eat my words? Okay?
Speaker 2: Now I'm cool and in a good way, in a
Speaker 2: good way. So I think tonight will actually will actually
Speaker 2: understand not that we weren't already there. You know, We've
Speaker 2: always looked at Jesus as some kind of sage or
Speaker 2: mystic or what have you, right, a master, but never
Speaker 2: in the sense of what Paul was trying to say.
Speaker 2: And now you might be thinking, well, hold on the
Speaker 2: apostle Paul Saul who turned into Paul. I mean, this
Speaker 2: guy was going around and he was killing a bunch
Speaker 2: of Christians, right, this was what he was known for.
Speaker 2: And then he uh, he had a vision of Jesus
Speaker 2: on the road to Damascus and changed his ways and
Speaker 2: forever that changed the history of Christianity. Now, I'm all
Speaker 2: for people I having visions. I like going into a
Speaker 2: trance state myself from time to time. Right, who doesn't
Speaker 2: like getting a little hypnotic or a little meditated or
Speaker 2: a little medicated even, right, But to literally change what
Speaker 2: the living person Jesus was saying while he was here
Speaker 2: on earth, and to now say somewhere along the lines
Speaker 2: of like, well, you people, you heard from the man Jesus,
Speaker 2: I got divine revelation from him. Therefore my experience of
Speaker 2: Jesus is more powerful. It trumps yours.
Speaker 3: It's the ascended version of Jesus, you know. But I mean,
Speaker 3: in general, it's still God anyway, right, I Mean that's
Speaker 3: what most Christians believe is Jesus is God in flesh.
Speaker 3: So like, how more you know advance?
Speaker 2: Can you get that's what I'm saying. You know, Jesus,
Speaker 2: you know what they said about him was that you know,
Speaker 2: he was he was man. He was one hundred percent
Speaker 2: man and one hundred percent God. It wasn't fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty like a Debi god situation is what they say, right,
Speaker 2: And so you're like, okay, and then especially like after
Speaker 2: how much we've been covering what it means to actually
Speaker 2: be God or to be one with God. And in
Speaker 2: so wait a second, So now you're saying that there
Speaker 2: is only one God, that everything isn't one thing, and
Speaker 2: that that God, who was also a man, was also
Speaker 2: living up in heaven and he needed a blood sacrifice
Speaker 2: in order to atone for the sins of all humanity.
Speaker 3: And even then.
Speaker 2: People need to declare that they believe that Jesus Christ
Speaker 2: died for their sins in order to be a Christian.
Speaker 2: That's what you're trying to tell me, right, It never
Speaker 2: rang true to me. It never made any sense. He
Speaker 2: died for the sins? Why do we need to do
Speaker 2: all this extra stuff? Does that mean that sin is
Speaker 2: no more?
Speaker 3: There is?
Speaker 2: Was there no more sin?
Speaker 3: Sin?
Speaker 2: Sin still around? And as a matter of fact, if
Speaker 2: you listen to Paul, you are a human, which means
Speaker 2: basically you are literally just a walking sin.
Speaker 3: Right. We didn't have a chance, dude.
Speaker 2: Jesus never said anything like that, and I got the receipts,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna be dude. I'm telling you, I've never
Speaker 2: submerged myself so deep into one episode in my entire life,
Speaker 2: mainly because I'm not gonna lie. Mainly because I thought
Speaker 2: that Jacob was initially going to be on this live show.
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, I gotta make sure
Speaker 2: I'm prepared. I'd like, whenever I'm awake, I want to
Speaker 2: be researching and documenting and making sure I got all
Speaker 2: the quotes and making sure you know what, I got
Speaker 2: everything and a good understanding of it all and everything
Speaker 2: and uh. And so I asked him earlier today. I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, you're gonna be jumping on for the
Speaker 2: Jesus versus Paul conversation. He goes, oh, I wish I could.
Speaker 2: I wish I could have, but he has to shoot
Speaker 2: a Cult of Conspiracy show tonight, unfortunately. But I told him,
Speaker 2: you know what, this will give me a chance to,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of yeah, work it out a little
Speaker 2: bit and uh that way whenever it comes time to
Speaker 2: actually do battle. Jacob's getting a seasoned vet on this information.
Speaker 3: All right, man, sounds good. No, I wish you could
Speaker 3: have joined this man. That would have been really fun
Speaker 3: to see you guys go.
Speaker 2: Back and forth, you know, for sure, Yeah, definitely would have.
Speaker 2: So yeah, before we get over to that, the messages here,
Speaker 2: the Kabala King says, let's effing go. Uh. Dougie said,
Speaker 2: who's here for Jonathan versus Jacob? I had, I had said,
Speaker 2: I first of all, I wanted Jacob to come on
Speaker 2: this show. He couldn't unfortunately, But yes, that is coming
Speaker 2: in the future for sure. And it's probably coming in
Speaker 2: as soon as a week or two from now. Oh
Speaker 2: all right, all right, and we'll make sure it's on
Speaker 2: a live show, Okay, yeah, because this shit needs an audience,
Speaker 2: you know, right, So all right, So I have a
Speaker 2: couple of recips right here, and that is what we're
Speaker 2: going to get into. So, Sean, have you heard a
Speaker 2: lot about this, Like have you heard that people are
Speaker 2: debating whether you know, whether Paul was actually inspired by
Speaker 2: Jesus or is this like his own way of you know.
Speaker 3: It's actually kind of my first actual run in with
Speaker 3: any of this really like you bringing it up and
Speaker 3: then you know, just be kind of looking into it
Speaker 3: kind of thing. But to be honest with you, I
Speaker 3: kind of just thought that they were all like like
Speaker 3: similar as far as like how they came to be
Speaker 3: Jesus' apostles. You know, I didn't know that he was
Speaker 3: the thirteenth apostle and only after Jesus had died and
Speaker 3: like all of this stuff, So this is all new
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: So it is said that Jesus spoke in the four
Speaker 2: Man Gospels. That would be Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Speaker 2: Those are the four man gospels of the Bible in
Speaker 2: the New Testament, right, and then there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: other books in there that include a lot of Paul's writings,
Speaker 2: but even Luke. One of the main gospels is Luke,
Speaker 2: and then you have the Book of Timothy. So in
Speaker 2: Timothy and Luke is kind of strange because they were
Speaker 2: both disciples of Paul. Okay, okay, so Timothy and Luke
Speaker 2: were both disciples of Paul. So if you include Paul, Timothy,
Speaker 2: and Luke, they make up fifty percent of the New Testament.
Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing. None of them ever met Jesus.
Speaker 3: Right, Wow, none of them ever met Jesus here? You know.
Speaker 2: Now, Jesus had twelve disciples or twelve apostles, right, he
Speaker 2: had all these followers. Why couldn't we get one of
Speaker 2: them to our jobs? Something? Down? Is my is my question?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So I just think that it's kind of strange that
Speaker 2: we're getting a retelling of a re understanding and then
Speaker 2: new rules on top of stuff that he had already
Speaker 2: said that actually contradicts a lot of what his message
Speaker 2: was about.
Speaker 3: Right, And the thing I wondered is like why Paul,
Speaker 3: you know, like why why him? Why is he the
Speaker 3: one that got to have this vision and communicate with
Speaker 3: Jesus himself, you know, and to be sent on this mission?
Speaker 3: You know, like why Paul?
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people what else after that? Well,
Speaker 2: and that's that's an issue. Why would it be Paul?
Speaker 2: And you know who else had those questions about why
Speaker 2: would it be Paul? Would be Jesus's actual followers, you know,
Speaker 2: his brother James, his brother Peter, and a couple other
Speaker 2: apostles were actually taken back that Jesus would have met
Speaker 2: Paul previously. His name was Saul. Then he converted to
Speaker 2: Christianity and he turned he changes to Paul. Right, his
Speaker 2: original og followers that were with them from day one, Bro,
Speaker 2: I mean his his literal brothers, Bro were with him,
Speaker 2: and they were like Jesus came to you, the guy
Speaker 2: that was literally murdering Christians, hundreds, if not thousands of
Speaker 2: Christians Paul murdered right, right, he was a Pharisee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a Pharisee. And he believed in all of
Speaker 2: these like archaic ways of understanding religion in general and
Speaker 2: spirituality in general. And and a lot of the pharisee
Speaker 2: type of shit is really where a lot of the uh,
Speaker 2: the more judgmental and more governmental understanding of what it
Speaker 2: means to be a proper Christian, it's all Pharisee shit.
Speaker 2: And and if anybody well, I mean, I know that
Speaker 2: a lot of us are still pretty new as far
Speaker 2: as sticking our nose in the Bible. But the Pharisees
Speaker 2: were exactly who Jesus was against. And all of a
Speaker 2: sudden we have Paul who used to be a Pharisee
Speaker 2: and actually look back upon his Pharisee ways with like it,
Speaker 2: like he was he was happy about his ways, he
Speaker 2: turned away from them, allegedly turned himself away from the
Speaker 2: Pharisee type of way. But you could still see that
Speaker 2: with everything that he said was with underlings of almost
Speaker 2: like parisitic breath, if that's even a term.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so really strange. So here we go. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get into it. It's gonna get a little crazy,
Speaker 2: it's gonna get a little hot, and uh, just listen
Speaker 2: to it. I mean, if there's anybody that has any
Speaker 2: questions about it, I am also still learning. But that
Speaker 2: being said, I have literally like drowned myself in this
Speaker 2: information over the past couple of weeks, not only for
Speaker 2: the show, mainly out of curiosity. But you know, this
Speaker 2: is this is very important information, I think because most
Speaker 2: of what people believe today about Jesus is not from
Speaker 2: Jesus' mouth. It is from Paul's mouth, right, And that's
Speaker 2: the issue mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Because he's to say, who's to say what he was
Speaker 3: actually told, if he was told anything, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, you just have to kind of go on
Speaker 3: his word at that point, just like anybody else that
Speaker 3: has a vision or has a you know, meets up
Speaker 3: with an entity, you just kind of have to take
Speaker 3: him for his word, right, Like, how how are you
Speaker 3: to prove that that, you know, God chose him?
Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense? And nobody knows that. And as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, he ordained I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's the CROs the proper term he made himself. He
Speaker 2: gave himself the term apostle. Nobody gave him that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a self appointed apostle. Apostle, which is crazy
Speaker 2: because Jesus, Jesus was the one that was anointing and
Speaker 2: uh there was basically calling all of his followers apostles.
Speaker 2: He annointed them right here you go, Paul, Yeah, a
Speaker 2: couple of days ago, I was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: murking a bunch of Christians. But then I got this
Speaker 2: vision of Jesus and of which literally it can't be proven.
Speaker 2: You're talking about a vision, It cannot be proven, right,
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean, any one of us could say that
Speaker 3: Jesus spoke to us and said this and that and
Speaker 3: whatever they're practicing Christianity is not quite right. This is
Speaker 3: actually the way that it needs to be done. You know,
Speaker 3: it needs to be done. It's like what you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, no one's gonna no one's gonna listen
Speaker 3: to us.
Speaker 2: I do want to say a big shout out. I
Speaker 2: have a couple of people that I really really did
Speaker 2: a lot of research by listening to, and the best
Speaker 2: name out there that I could find. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: there are other people out there. I know that there are,
Speaker 2: but the absolute most well spoken, well knowledgeable person that
Speaker 2: I listened you talk about this topic was this dude
Speaker 2: who actually electro Nick kind of have sent us videos
Speaker 2: of before in the past. His name is Aaron Abke,
Speaker 2: and this guy is an absolute wealth of information. Anybody
Speaker 2: wants to go check out his YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: It is great.
Speaker 2: He actually believes this is kind of crazy, but he
Speaker 2: actually believes that Paul. He he he believes that Paul
Speaker 2: had demons inside of him. Oh really, Yeah, it's and
Speaker 2: it does make a lot of sense, but we're not
Speaker 2: diving into all that today. Maybe that's a future story,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's very well possible that Paul had
Speaker 2: a little demonic entity attachment.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, yeah, we'll get to it at
Speaker 3: some point. Let's get to the meat and potatoes.
Speaker 2: For nearly two thousand years, most people believe that they
Speaker 2: were following the teachings of Jesus. But what if much
Speaker 2: of what we call Christianity didn't come from Jesus at all.
Speaker 2: Tonight we're doing something rarely done in churches and almost
Speaker 2: never done honestly, we're separating what Jesus actually taught from
Speaker 2: what Paul later preached in his name. Okay, so Jesus
Speaker 2: spoke of an inner kingdom of transformation through action, awareness
Speaker 2: and alignment with God within. Paul spoke about belief, blood, atonement,
Speaker 2: and salvation through faith apart from works. One taught how
Speaker 2: to live, the other taught what to believe. See the
Speaker 2: difference here, It's a huge difference. Due one walked with
Speaker 2: disciples in the light of day, the other claimed authority
Speaker 2: through a private vision. Tonight's isn't about attacking Christianity. It's
Speaker 2: about tearing and it's not even about tearing down Jesus.
Speaker 2: It's about asking a forbidden question, did the church follow
Speaker 2: the teacher or the interpreter? Because if Jesus warned, if
Speaker 2: Jesus warned us that false teachers would come after him
Speaker 2: using his name while changing the message, then the most
Speaker 2: spiritual thing we can do is slow down, remove the filters,
Speaker 2: and go back to the one. So here we go.
Speaker 2: This is going to be this is gonna be a
Speaker 2: wild one. So I just want everybody to know that
Speaker 2: tonight we're separating Jesus from Paul. That is the that
Speaker 2: is the goal here.
Speaker 3: Let's do it, dude, Let's see what is what?
Speaker 2: Okay? So first off, as I said before, big shout
Speaker 2: out to Aaron Abke, and I have a quote of
Speaker 2: his that I just wanted to throw out there. This
Speaker 2: is Aaron speaking about Paul. He goes, nobody wants anything
Speaker 2: to do with the Jesus that you preach because he's bigoted,
Speaker 2: anti gay, anti women, and pro slavery, all about punishment
Speaker 2: and wrath and you got to confess him as Lord
Speaker 2: and say it out loud. Nobody likes this version of
Speaker 2: Jesus outside of dogmatic Christianity, m all right. So, and
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of where that comes from,
Speaker 2: if not all of it, is from the teachings of
Speaker 2: Paul that people just attached to Jesus. And uh, I
Speaker 2: don't think that's right.
Speaker 3: Jesus didn't say that, did he Like, Oh, you need
Speaker 3: to to you know, confess your sins or else you're
Speaker 3: gonna you know what I mean, like put your faith
Speaker 3: in me, or else you're gonna go to hell. Like
Speaker 3: was that something that Jesus ever actually even said?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And and we're going to get a very
Speaker 2: clear image about all of this tonight because every question
Speaker 2: that everybody probably has, I guarantee you I have thought
Speaker 2: about it at some point in the past two weeks,
Speaker 2: Like dude, And that's the it's it's it's almost a
Speaker 2: blessing and a curse. I get addicted to this stuff
Speaker 2: to where I literally can't stop researching it. I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't enjoy a lot of things until I got it,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. At least I got it
Speaker 2: to where I give myself the acceptance. All right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can calm down. But even up until like an
Speaker 2: hour before the show, I was still cramming information.
Speaker 3: It's your cross to bear, you will.
Speaker 2: So another quote that Aaron said, he said, Jesus absolutely
Speaker 2: never told anybody to believe in his death and resurrection
Speaker 2: in order to get to Heaven. Never told anybody that.
Speaker 2: Now one might say, well, that's because he hadn't died yet.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry wasn't Jesus like God.
Speaker 3: I think that he.
Speaker 2: Would have the foresight to know. And he already knew
Speaker 2: that he was going to die. He knew that his
Speaker 2: boy was going to stab him in the back, right,
Speaker 2: He knew that he was going to die. It was
Speaker 2: the whole Final Supper deal. And so he knew that
Speaker 2: about all of this, about all of this oncoming stuff, right.
Speaker 2: And so to say that, well, Jesus never said anything
Speaker 2: about believing in his death and resurrection in order to
Speaker 2: get to heaven because he didn't know it. I just
Speaker 2: want you to ask yourself, is he God or not?
Speaker 2: Is one hundred percent God?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, let's not forget that. Here's a quote, yeah, all knowing, Yeah, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: here's a quote. This is from Matthew. This is Jesus speaking.
Speaker 2: And we're going to go back and forth a little
Speaker 2: bit about you know, what was a Jesus quote, what
Speaker 2: was a Paul quote? And I think over the course
Speaker 2: of time of this episode, we're going to be able
Speaker 2: to determine. I won't even have to tell you which
Speaker 2: one's Jesus and which one's Paul.
Speaker 3: That was good, dude, Let's go.
Speaker 2: We won't even have to tell you. You'll just understand. So,
Speaker 2: so this is from Jesus. This is Matthew Chapter twenty two,
Speaker 2: verse thirty seven. He goes, love the Lord your God
Speaker 2: with all your heart and with all your soul, and
Speaker 2: with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment,
Speaker 2: and the second is like it, love your neighbor as yourself.
Speaker 2: All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.
Speaker 2: That's that's a Jesus quote. So what he's saying is
Speaker 2: love God, love your neighbors, love your Yeah, love yourself,
Speaker 2: and love God with all your soul in all your mind. Right, yep,
Speaker 2: this is the way. Somebody asked him, how how do
Speaker 2: I get to eternal life? How do I get to heaven?
Speaker 2: This was his answer. Okay, yeah, love love the Lord
Speaker 2: your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
Speaker 2: and with all your mind. This is the first and
Speaker 2: greatest commandment. And the second is like it, love your
Speaker 2: neighbor as yourself. All the law and the prophets hang
Speaker 2: on these two commandments. Did he say anything about believing
Speaker 2: in my death whenever I die, and proclaiming me as
Speaker 2: Lord in order to enter the pearly gates of heaven.
Speaker 3: No, dude, and you would think that would probably be
Speaker 3: number one, you know, because that seems to be like
Speaker 3: the main rule that you have to follow, you know,
Speaker 3: to get into heaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to be, you know. And as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, most people these days, if you say
Speaker 2: you're not religious, if you say you're not Christian, they
Speaker 2: actually look at you and they're like, oh, it's such
Speaker 2: a shame. You're going to hell. You're not you're not
Speaker 2: announcing Jesus as your Lord and savior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we haven't figured it out yet though, you know,
Speaker 3: to be fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll get there one day. As they like
Speaker 2: to say, Timmy tuto'es goes, I love all Yin's guys.
Speaker 2: The one is us Yin's guys is the most Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: shit I've ever heard, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Actually it's a Pittsburgh. It's not even a whole Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: It's Pittsburgh and outskirts of Pittsburgh. Yeah, dude, Seawn knows
Speaker 2: what that's like. He lived in a PA a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, such a different place.
Speaker 2: I do miss it from time to time, not all
Speaker 2: the time. I'm sure you are getting pounded with snow
Speaker 2: right now, which is I'm I do get kind of
Speaker 2: jealous of snow from time to time. Because on Christmas
Speaker 2: Day it was eighty degrees in Louisiana. That's not cool.
Speaker 3: That's not cool. Somehow it's still thirty humidity, Like what's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there was a shitload of fogs. So I
Speaker 2: guess you know, you close your eyes, use your imagination.
Speaker 2: You could say that like fog was the blanket of
Speaker 2: snow that you're hoping for.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So here's another quote. This is this is Jesus again
Speaker 2: from one of the main gospels, with Mark, right, this
Speaker 2: is Mark, chapter one, verse fifteen. He goes, the time
Speaker 2: is fulfilled and the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Speaker 2: Repent and believe in the Gospel. This was another thing
Speaker 2: about when somebody asked him how do I get to heaven?
Speaker 2: How do I enter eternal life in heaven?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And he goes, the time is fulfilled and the Kingdom
Speaker 2: of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the Gospel.
Speaker 2: Now you might be saying, all right, believe in the Gospel.
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, because he was talking about
Speaker 2: his laws. You know what the laws are. You know
Speaker 2: what the commandments are?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: The repent actually is an interesting word because I don't
Speaker 2: think that a lot of people understand it's actual true
Speaker 2: etymological roots. Okay, we're going all the way back to
Speaker 2: the Greek with this word, because this is what Jesus
Speaker 2: and I was curious about what Jesus spoke at that time,
Speaker 2: and it does turn out that he did. Yes, it
Speaker 2: says it's highly likely that Jesus spoke kowaine ko i
Speaker 2: n e Greek in addition to his native Aramatic, native Aramaic,
Speaker 2: and liturgical Hebrew, because Greek was the common language in
Speaker 2: Roman Palestine for trade, administration and interacting with gentiles, with
Speaker 2: evidence in the Gospel showing interactions with Greek speakers and
Speaker 2: scholars pointing to its necessity for life in Galilee. So
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that was his only language, but
Speaker 2: he spoke Greek. Right, So whenever Jesus said repent, obviously
Speaker 2: it wasn't the English word repent, it was the Greek
Speaker 2: word metaanoia metaia, which literally translates to it means change.
Speaker 2: It's a change of mind or thinking differently.
Speaker 3: Oh said, keep that third eye open. That's what he said.
Speaker 2: I think he said, Look, if you're ever, if you're
Speaker 2: ever sinning, you ever got anything going on in your mind,
Speaker 2: or you're ever you're ever about to sin, or you're
Speaker 2: getting whatever, anything sinful, Just repent. How do you repent?
Speaker 3: You change your fucking mind. That's it. That's great, that's great.
Speaker 2: Simple that I didn't either. So yeah, it's so. It
Speaker 2: means that change. It's a change of mind or thinking differently,
Speaker 2: involving a shift in understanding, attitude, and intention, leading to
Speaker 2: a transformation of life. Not just regret. It signifies using
Speaker 2: the mind to recognize wrong, to abhor past sins, and
Speaker 2: align one's purpose with God's will, often resulting in changed actions.
Speaker 3: I love it. Oh that's great.
Speaker 2: I want to repent right now.
Speaker 3: I'm constantly repenting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's this is something super interesting. Jesus spoke
Speaker 2: that there would be false teachers. He prophesied this, that
Speaker 2: there would be false teachers. Okay, and he talked about this,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure he talked about in a couple in
Speaker 2: more verses than just two. But I pulled up two
Speaker 2: right here. The first one is from Or they're both
Speaker 2: from Matthew, the Book of Matthew and it's from Matthew
Speaker 2: chapter five, verses fifteen through sixteen. He goes, be aware
Speaker 2: of false prophets, you will know them by their fruits.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: And then again in Matthew twenty four, verse five, he goes,
Speaker 2: many will come in my name and deceive many.
Speaker 3: Oly he's talking about Paul.
Speaker 2: Dude, one hundred percent. He didn't even know Paul at
Speaker 2: this time. By the way, I mean, he probably knew
Speaker 2: him as Saul because he was going around. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's exactly what Paul does, though he comes
Speaker 3: in through Jesus's name, like Jesus said this, dude, Holy shit,
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Hold on, dude, because it gets crazier.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Here are a couple of Paul quotes that are gonna
Speaker 2: make the hair on the back of your fucking neck
Speaker 2: stand up after you just heard about the false teachers.
Speaker 2: Right In Galatians chapter one, verse eight, Paul says, if
Speaker 2: anyone preaches another gospel, let them be a cursed Oh so,
Speaker 2: if anyone preaches another gospel, you mean, the fucking gospel
Speaker 2: that you're preaching on top.
Speaker 3: Of Jesus's You're doing it right now.
Speaker 2: Let them, let me, let them be cursed, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, Jesus was very against cursing. He said, you
Speaker 2: should never curse. You should never curse, or you know,
Speaker 2: a hex and he didn't say hex, but basically the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't wish ill upon anybody else. And here you
Speaker 2: got Paul. He goes, hey, look, anybody preaches any other gospel.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I get it. You knew Jesus whenever
Speaker 2: he was as a man. But I knew him and
Speaker 2: his fucking astral body. And he goes, let them be
Speaker 2: a curse. Here's the real, big doll great here, okay.
Speaker 2: In First Corinthians, chapter eleven, verse one, Paul says, follow
Speaker 2: me as I follow christ Oh, basically saying.
Speaker 3: He's putting himself between us and Jesus.
Speaker 2: He's trying to be the intermediary between you and Jesus.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jesus was already enough of an intermediary.
Speaker 3: We don't need you, We don't need all that.
Speaker 2: We need all these filters. Paul.
Speaker 3: Okay, Paul or Saul whatever you call yourself these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. So here's the problem. The problem is is
Speaker 2: that Paul preaches a gospel that Jesus never taught, never
Speaker 2: even taught it to all of his followers, to all
Speaker 2: of his apostles, to all of the beggars on the street,
Speaker 2: send the hookers on the corner, like, never preached what
Speaker 2: Paul or Jesus never preached anything about what Paul says.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna we're gonna lay it all out as
Speaker 2: to what Paul actually said, but we're gonna get there.
Speaker 2: Just hang on. So so Paul, he also demands loyalty
Speaker 2: to himself. He wants his followers to be loyal to
Speaker 2: him over Jesus HM. And the most obvious one, he
Speaker 2: bases his authority on a private vision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, private right, nobody else what it said.
Speaker 2: So he was on the road to Damascus.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was traveling to Damascus, and he had a couple
Speaker 2: of his I guess disciples with him, uh, And they
Speaker 2: were riding up on horses or donkeys, whatever the hell
Speaker 2: he was riding on. And that's whenever he got this
Speaker 2: vision of Jesus and allegedly had this whole conversation with Jesus. Right,
Speaker 2: And so nobody else saw what he saw. But allegedly
Speaker 2: the people that were with him, saw a bright flash
Speaker 2: of light. That's all we got. That's the only proof
Speaker 2: of all of this that we.
Speaker 3: Got, right, flash of light. And this is at this time,
Speaker 3: he was still going after the Christian believers, right, because
Speaker 3: he didn't change his ways until after he met with
Speaker 3: Jesus or mistaken.
Speaker 2: No, you're right. Yeah, he was persecuting Christians all the
Speaker 2: way up until the day of this vision, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, Jesus was already dead by the time he
Speaker 2: had this vision. This was like, I'm gonna butcher the
Speaker 2: amount of years I want to say, it's probably ten
Speaker 2: or fifteen years after Jesus dies h.
Speaker 3: And at that time, you know, Christianity was probably on
Speaker 3: the rise. I would think, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: there was a reason why they were trying to take
Speaker 3: them all out, you know. And so I'm wondering if
Speaker 3: because he was within that bubble, you know, of Christianity
Speaker 3: being so powerful and this upcoming thing, and then maybe
Speaker 3: he feels bad for killing people and persecuting them, and
Speaker 3: then he's like, you know what, if you can't beat them,
Speaker 3: join them type of type of thing. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, as I said before, he was already going around
Speaker 2: killing a bunch of them, and he was an own Pharisee.
Speaker 2: Pharisees were very strict on their rules whenever it came
Speaker 2: to anything spiritual. They treated their religious their religious beliefs
Speaker 2: like a government chart of rules, essentially a lot in
Speaker 2: the same way that the Jews do. The Jews are
Speaker 2: the same way like they they they listened to all
Speaker 2: of the rules that you know, the the Old Testament
Speaker 2: God has laid out to them through Moses and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But so the Pharisees, real quick, the Pharisees are just
Speaker 3: like Old Testament or like, who are the Pharisees exactly?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I believe and I'm not one hundred
Speaker 2: percent sure I believe they were. Was it Mythriism?
Speaker 3: Who was their god? Oh Cabala King might know what's up?
Speaker 4: And the Pharisees were definitely the Jews that believed in
Speaker 4: the Torah and everything. They were like the ones that
Speaker 4: were restrict on the Torah. They were part of Judaism
Speaker 4: and everything. But they were like the I guess the
Speaker 4: if you want to consider them the high priests of Judaism.
Speaker 4: So they followed the Torah and the books to the
Speaker 4: law and everything that's right.
Speaker 3: The Torah and all this, they're all related, right, some
Speaker 3: in some way. Forgive my What was your question, Sean,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was just asking as far as
Speaker 3: like who the Pharisees were, like what their god was?
Speaker 3: Who who was their god? Was it a triomne god
Speaker 3: or like you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was old tesimate god is what he was saying.
Speaker 2: I just typed it in. I found that here too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they were I mean, they were Jews, so
Speaker 2: they believed in Yahweh and and Moses and Abraham and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Right, Okay, but these were
Speaker 2: the same people that Jesus was going in and saying
Speaker 2: like like basically cursing the Pharisees. Right, he was entirely
Speaker 2: against the Pharisees, which you know, Jesus was coming to
Speaker 2: fulfill the Covenant and to create like a whole new
Speaker 2: covenant and stuff. Anyway, all right, I want to get
Speaker 2: back to it, but but yes, it is important to
Speaker 2: know that that Paul was part of that group that
Speaker 2: Jesus was condemning. Okay, and then he comes in and
Speaker 2: and that I just want to say that, like, if
Speaker 2: you're somebody that is trying to corrupt a movement, which
Speaker 2: and we know that that happens a lot nowadays, like
Speaker 2: especially anybody that's into like the the conspiracy stuff, you
Speaker 2: know that there is infiltration like crazy, whether it's people
Speaker 2: or information or anything like that, it is. It's heavily infiltrated,
Speaker 2: and a lot of the times it's hard to be
Speaker 2: to be able to decipher what is true and what's
Speaker 2: not m m yeah because of the infiltration. So if
Speaker 2: you want to disrupt a group, a growing group, well
Speaker 2: instead of beating them, because he already tried doing that,
Speaker 2: he beat a lot of them, why not join and
Speaker 2: poison it from within?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So, uh, here we go, I do have Oh wait,
Speaker 2: where was I?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So uh uh uhuh so yeah, as far as all
Speaker 2: of Paul's stuff goes as far as whenever he's saying,
Speaker 2: follow me as I follow Christ, and if anyone preaches
Speaker 2: another gospel, let him be accursed by Jesus's own criteria.
Speaker 2: It is an absolute red flag. So Jesus showed people
Speaker 2: how to become one with God, and Paul taught people
Speaker 2: how to worship one.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Essentially, there's another great uh guess that I was listening
Speaker 2: to a whole hell of a lot. And his name
Speaker 2: is doctor bart d Erman. He goes. I have a
Speaker 2: couple of quotes from him, but he goes. Jesus taught
Speaker 2: that taught that the way to enter into God's kingdom
Speaker 2: was by keeping God's commandments. Right, So it was by
Speaker 2: keeping God's commandments. Commit yourself to God, repent, love your
Speaker 2: neighbor as yourself, help those in need, take care of
Speaker 2: the poor and the hungry. And if you do those things,
Speaker 2: you will enter into the kingdom.
Speaker 3: Makes sense, That's what Jesus taught.
Speaker 2: Nothing like you're not going to go to war about
Speaker 2: what Jesus said, right. However, Paul, Paul taught that helping
Speaker 2: others is a good thing and you should do that.
Speaker 2: But you, but you are not capable of being good
Speaker 2: enough to satisfy God, because you are controlled by a
Speaker 2: power of sin that forces you, forces you into an
Speaker 2: alienation from God. And the only way to conquer sin
Speaker 2: is by believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus,
Speaker 2: and of course being baptized. You do that and then
Speaker 2: you can enter into God's kingdom. Paul said that Jesus
Speaker 2: had to die because the death and resurrection of Jesus
Speaker 2: is what matters. Jesus's teachings with the Sermon on the
Speaker 2: Mount is is uh, you know, is a perfect ethical
Speaker 2: teaching about how to live. But Paul never even.
Speaker 3: Mentions anything about Jesus's.
Speaker 2: Teachings with the Sermon on the Mount, which is where
Speaker 2: a lot of the Foe Man Gospels get a lot
Speaker 2: of their information from.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He never Paul never even mentions them. And Paul says,
Speaker 2: the only this is crazy. Paul says, the only thing
Speaker 2: I knew among you talking about all the Christians, the
Speaker 2: only thing I knew among you was Christ and him crucified.
Speaker 2: And that's the only thing that matters. Wow, wow, bro,
Speaker 2: this is blood sacrifice. This is what he's worshiping. Jesus
Speaker 2: never said anything about blood sacrifice. He was actually against sacrifice.
Speaker 2: He goes, actually, now that I am that that I
Speaker 2: have come here, there will be no more sacrifice.
Speaker 3: So that if he.
Speaker 2: Jesus, being God in the flesh, said that there will
Speaker 2: be no more sacrifice to God, Jesus said this, why
Speaker 2: do we need to believe that he was sacrificed for
Speaker 2: our sins to appease God to wipe us away from
Speaker 2: all of our sins. It makes no sense. Yeah, makes
Speaker 2: no sense whatsoever. So yeah, so so yeah, big shout
Speaker 2: out to Bart d Erman. Shout out that guy's a stud.
Speaker 2: I have another quote here from this guy's actually awesome.
Speaker 2: His name is the Recovering Catholic and he's on YouTube recovery.
Speaker 2: He said that Luke and Paul pa Luke plus Paul
Speaker 2: plus Timothy make up fifty percent of the New Testament.
Speaker 2: Luke was a disciple of Paul, and neither of them
Speaker 2: ever met Jesus, only heard stories. Paul says that he
Speaker 2: was a Pharisee and a son of a Pharisee. The
Speaker 2: Pharisees were obsessed with laws, sin, ritual, purity, and status.
Speaker 2: They were an authority figure. So then I looked this
Speaker 2: up and as far as and I asked if Pharisees
Speaker 2: believed in and practice blood sacrifices as central to Jewish warship,
Speaker 2: and it says yes, they did believe in and did
Speaker 2: practice blood sacrifices as central to Jewish warship, especially at
Speaker 2: the Jerusalem Temple, seeing them as divinely ordained for atonement
Speaker 2: and purification. Though they emphasized meticulous observance of Mosaic law,
Speaker 2: Moses' law and purity alongside them, often contrasting with Jesus's
Speaker 2: focus on inner righteousness over ritual. So the Pharisees were
Speaker 2: still with the old ways, right, Obviously they were. They
Speaker 2: were the Jews, right, So they were still with all
Speaker 2: those old ways. Why are the old ways making their
Speaker 2: way into the new way? Here where Jesus said we
Speaker 2: will have no more sacrifice? Yet the only way we
Speaker 2: can get to heaven is to believe in a sacrifice. Right,
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to corrupt something though from the
Speaker 3: inside out.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I'm slow, maybe I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't have enough brain cells to be able
Speaker 2: to put two and two together here, But how could
Speaker 2: one be against sacrifice and the other one? Don't even
Speaker 2: get me started here we go?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 2: So so okay? So Paul brought all of that back
Speaker 2: in a new name. Instead of freeing people from religious fear,
Speaker 2: Paul rebranded it in Jesus's name. Paul says that the
Speaker 2: Gospel comes from revelation, not from Jesus's earthly followers. Apossle
Speaker 2: like James and Peter are appointed as so by Jesus,
Speaker 2: but Paul is the one who is self appointed. Everything
Speaker 2: that Paul says is only validated by Paul's own word.
Speaker 2: The modern church is more Paul Lane than Christian centered.
Speaker 2: Modern Christianity's focus on guilt, fear, and unworthiness comes from Paul,
Speaker 2: not Jesus. The Church chose control, sin and hierarchy and obedience.
Speaker 2: Jesus taught love your neighbor, and the kingdom of his
Speaker 2: is the Kingdom of Heaven is within, and you are
Speaker 2: the light of the world. These are stark in contrast,
Speaker 2: totally very very different. I mean, you're literally talking about
Speaker 2: the upside down here, which shout out the stranger things
Speaker 2: just came out yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. Man, I'm waiting for
Speaker 3: a good quiet time. There's a bunch of shit going on.
Speaker 3: We're in California right now, so it's a little bit wild. Nice.
Speaker 2: How's the weather out there, Sean.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's actually uh, it's been raining for two days
Speaker 3: and it's kind of cold out, but it's cool. I
Speaker 3: got to wear my jacket, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I've been waiting to wear it, so I've only wore
Speaker 3: it like once before. Now, you know, it's like seventy
Speaker 3: five in Phoenix.
Speaker 2: So you're looking like a zaddy in that jacket.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: So all right, here we go. And and since we're
Speaker 2: talking about all of this, and it was just a
Speaker 2: couple of months ago that we did an episode on
Speaker 2: the Cathars. You remember, the people who were persecuted and
Speaker 2: hunted down and had a war against them because they
Speaker 2: were more with the the the Nagamadi thinking right, that
Speaker 2: Jesus taught basically how to enter into the Kingdom of
Speaker 2: Heaven within yourself and the Gnostic way right, and the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church didn't want nothing to do with that. Pope
Speaker 2: Innocent the third was like, come on, you think you
Speaker 2: can get to God by going to your inner sanctuary?
Speaker 3: What is this? That's stupid? What are you thinking? That's
Speaker 3: your problem is you thought? You know, you're thinking. You
Speaker 3: wouldn't have thought that.
Speaker 2: Your first problem was is that you thought? So then
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, would the Cathars have been hunted
Speaker 2: down without Paul's letters? Would that whole thing have ever
Speaker 2: happened if it wasn't for Paul. So here's a little
Speaker 2: backstory as far as the Cathars and what all went
Speaker 2: down for anybody that doesn't remember that or maybe didn't
Speaker 2: listen to that episode, but the Cathars were essentially a
Speaker 2: Gnostic group in southern France, and the Catholic Church had
Speaker 2: an issue with that because a lot of the Catholic
Speaker 2: Church followers were deciding to change their ways into this
Speaker 2: new Cathar understanding of what Jesus actually preached, because the
Speaker 2: cath were hardcore on the Gnostic stuff, which, to be honest,
Speaker 2: even if you listen to Jesus's words, the most gnostic, dude,
Speaker 2: there is I'm not even talking about only in the
Speaker 2: Nakamadi in the Bible. You just listen to what he
Speaker 2: says in the in the Bible, dude, it is gnostic.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's the typnosis that you talked about. The
Speaker 3: Kingdom of Heaven is within you. You know, you go
Speaker 3: with you go inside, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you just you just know how you feel about certain things,
Speaker 3: like things that resonate, things that don't.
Speaker 2: That's if therefore thene I be single, then your whole
Speaker 2: body shall be full of light. That's pretty damn gnostic,
Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, dude, Yeah, So The Cathars, which
Speaker 2: were around the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, where a decentralized
Speaker 2: Christian movement in southern France that rejected church hierarchy and wealth.
Speaker 2: They rejected blood atonement, they rejected compulsory sacraments and emphasized
Speaker 2: inner purity, non violence, and direct spiritual knowing. And they
Speaker 2: also read Jesus as a teacher of liberation, not of sacrifice.
Speaker 2: This is what the Cathart's believed. And it wasn't even
Speaker 2: just their beliefs. They lived that fucking life, dude, This
Speaker 2: was their life. They didn't just like, oh, well, I'm
Speaker 2: a sinner and I'll never be as good as Jesus,
Speaker 2: so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do the best
Speaker 2: I can because there was only ever one perfect one
Speaker 2: and I'm not him, right right, which is what you
Speaker 2: hear out of every single Christian's mouth nowadays, even though
Speaker 2: you know damn well that if you make a mistake
Speaker 2: and you become aware of it, if you call yourself
Speaker 2: any religion at all, then you should learn from your mistakes,
Speaker 2: not keep doing them. Because you accept that you're a
Speaker 2: sinner and that you're never going to be perfect. That
Speaker 2: is ludicrous to me.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, I mean I really wish Jacob was
Speaker 3: here because I want to know, like I want to
Speaker 3: hear like the arguments to what you're saying right now.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because I know that there's something that's gonna
Speaker 3: like try to make it, make it okay, or make
Speaker 3: it better. But I can't come up with anything.
Speaker 2: Just so you know, I did all of this research,
Speaker 2: all of my notes were in mind that I was
Speaker 2: going to be having Jacob here. So everything that I
Speaker 2: have here is backed up by receipts, and not only receipts,
Speaker 2: but context, because that's what gets Jacob bricked up, which
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 3: Oh that's not all you hear usually you know a
Speaker 3: lot of the apologists or whatever, they it's the context.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, what context is it that you need that's
Speaker 3: gonna make that okay? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like on yeah, I mean not really a whole hell
Speaker 2: of a lot. So hold on one second, let me
Speaker 2: just do something right quick. I just want to do
Speaker 2: this just for the just for the short clips, the
Speaker 2: ad spotlights. It's much easier to make clips, so you
Speaker 2: go so a little behind the baseball anyway. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the Cathars were full on basically gnostic Christians, right, So
Speaker 2: why Paul matters so much right here is because, first off,
Speaker 2: they were far closer to Jesus's ethical, mystical message than
Speaker 2: to institutional Christianity, which is why the Catholic Church had
Speaker 2: such a huge problem with the Cathars in the first place.
Speaker 2: So why does that matter? Well, the Cathars were condemned
Speaker 2: as heretics primarily because they rejected core Pauline doctrines, especially
Speaker 2: salvation through belief in Christ's death, which they never they
Speaker 2: never wanted to admit because they were like, look, once
Speaker 2: he's dead, he's dad, I want to I want to
Speaker 2: actually live out what he was trying to say in
Speaker 2: real life whatever whenever he died. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: sad to see him go, you know, But am I
Speaker 2: going to worship somebody dead on the cross? Which I
Speaker 2: always thought it was a ludicrous image in the first place.
Speaker 2: All of Jesus's beautiful teachings out there in the world,
Speaker 2: all the all the miracles and all the healings and
Speaker 2: all the the amazing parables that he talked about, and
Speaker 2: the one sticking image of Jesus that everybody has is
Speaker 2: him literally fucking hanging on for a life on top
Speaker 2: of a like on across he's he's nailed there. He
Speaker 2: just got how many lashings? He was stabbed with a
Speaker 2: fucking spear right and water poured out allegedly, which I
Speaker 2: think that that's more of a parable. But my point
Speaker 2: is that is the lasting image that you want to
Speaker 2: have of Jesus.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, like God.
Speaker 2: Forbid somebody, somebody in their family, has somebody close to
Speaker 2: them dies in a car crash. Are you going to
Speaker 2: get a necklace that is reminiscent of that person that
Speaker 2: died in a car crash, of them getting into a
Speaker 2: car crash. Is that how you're going to remember them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It makes no sense now, I get it if you're
Speaker 2: looking at it through Paul's eyes, where he's saying that
Speaker 2: the magic.
Speaker 3: It was cool whenever Jesus was here.
Speaker 2: He was preaching everything and Natl the parables, and he
Speaker 2: was healing and he was doing miracles and all that
Speaker 2: fun jazz. But the real magic was whenever he died.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, because that's when I got the reinterpreted version
Speaker 3: of what he was really trying to say.
Speaker 2: You know, crazy, crazy, so so yeah, the Cathars were
Speaker 2: condemned as heretics, primarily because they rejected core Pauline doctrines,
Speaker 2: especially the salvation through belief in Christ's death, the authority
Speaker 2: of church offices. They rejected that. They rejected the idea
Speaker 2: that Christ's blood paid a cosmic debt, which I feel like,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be crazy not to believe that.
Speaker 2: And they also rejected the idea that bodily resurrection, the
Speaker 2: idea of bodily resurrection as taught in Pauline theology. So
Speaker 2: it says these doctrines do not come from Jesus directly.
Speaker 2: They come overwhelmingly from Paul's letters. So Paul had a
Speaker 2: bunch of letters. And this is where a lot of
Speaker 2: like oh, I can't remember in Corinthians and the Book
Speaker 2: of Acts and really sprinkled all throughout the New Testament
Speaker 2: is words from Paul's letters that he wrote to the church. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and so, and a lot of them are actually heavily debated,
Speaker 2: and some people actually believe that every single letter from
Speaker 2: this Paul character was forged. Oh okay, talk about a
Speaker 2: crazy thing. It's it's allegedly forged. And actually I believe
Speaker 2: at least six of because I think there was thirteen
Speaker 2: letters if I'm not mistaken that that Paul wrote to
Speaker 2: the church, but I believe that at least four to
Speaker 2: six of them were already understood to be forgeries.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: So okay, anyhow, not a good look. So without Paul's letters,
Speaker 2: there is no fixed doctrine of substitutionary atonement. The you
Speaker 2: don't need Jesus to atone for your sins, right. There
Speaker 2: is no salvation by belief, which is which would be
Speaker 2: the standard to enforce all of this. And there is
Speaker 2: no theological basis for calling Cathar spirituality damnable, right, because
Speaker 2: none of that goes against what Jesus was teaching the Cathars.
Speaker 2: The Cathar's belief was none of it was damnable according
Speaker 2: to the words of Christ.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, it sounds to me like if you just
Speaker 3: did the things that Jesus was talking about, man, you'd
Speaker 3: have a pretty fucking good life. Yeah, if you'd feel
Speaker 3: good about it, you wouldn't feel like you deserve hell
Speaker 3: to begin with. And so why all this other shit,
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, they just be out there trying
Speaker 2: to teach what they don't understand you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So in other words, there is no doctrinal measuring stick
Speaker 2: to label them as heretics. There's nothing to measure it
Speaker 2: up against. Because Jesus was all, yo, just you know,
Speaker 2: love God with all your heart and your soul, your mind,
Speaker 2: treat your neighbor as yourself, love yourself, and keep the commandments,
Speaker 2: and and keep the law, which the law is. What
Speaker 2: he was saying was just like which was that like love,
Speaker 2: love your neighbor as yourself, and love God with all
Speaker 2: your heart.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That doesn't go against the Cathar beliefs, so they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been they wouldn't have been labeled as heretics or dammable.
Speaker 2: So all right, so just to cover a little bit
Speaker 2: more of this, because I really want to hammer this home,
Speaker 2: because if we show what life would be if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for paul we can start to actually understand the
Speaker 2: Pauline effect.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so what actually?
Speaker 2: Yes, so what actually triggered their extermination? Talking about the Cathars,
Speaker 2: because they're like, none of them are still alive. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously they wouldn't still be alive, but even their ancestors,
Speaker 2: like they wiped them all off, dude, right, I think
Speaker 2: there was only like one guy that was carrying it out. Still,
Speaker 2: like after all of it, and you remember that the
Speaker 2: or the Catholics, We're telling the Cathars to convert or die,
Speaker 2: and said you can either convert or you can walk
Speaker 2: into this fire. This because they literally burned their whole city, dude.
Speaker 2: And the Cathars were like, no, I'm I'm straight. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna turn around walking to the fucking fire because
Speaker 2: I ain't listening to your.
Speaker 3: Shit, right, Holy shit, dude, can you imagine? Dude?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So uh.
Speaker 2: And this was all because of the Albigensian crusade that
Speaker 2: took place between twelve o nine and twelve twenty nine,
Speaker 2: and it was actually justified by Rome, of course, this
Speaker 2: whole crusade. It was justified by Rome because Pauline ideas
Speaker 2: of Orthodoxy versus the false Gospel. So they looked at
Speaker 2: the Cathars as the false Gospel because of what Paul
Speaker 2: was saying, not because of what Jesus was saying. It
Speaker 2: was because of the Pauline obedient to authority, which, as
Speaker 2: I said earlier, that paul was all about a like
Speaker 2: respecting authority. Everybody that everybody that has anything negative to
Speaker 2: say about Christianity, anybody that's actually looked into it, they
Speaker 2: all point to Paul's teachings because he was anti gay,
Speaker 2: he was anti slavery, he was anti or, he was
Speaker 2: pro slavery, anti women, right, all these things, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's where a lot of that comes from.
Speaker 3: So Paul.
Speaker 2: His his concepts of unity through doctrine. So Paul was
Speaker 2: basically trying to say, we can all be one giant family,
Speaker 2: we can all get along, we can all go to heaven.
Speaker 2: We just all have to believe in this and if
Speaker 2: you don't, it's okay to kill you, right, yep, call sport. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: So the Church framed the Cathars as denying the denying
Speaker 2: the saving Blood of Christ, preaching another gospel, and undermining
Speaker 2: the Body of Christ, which you know, the body of
Speaker 2: Christ is known as the Church. So they undermined the church,
Speaker 2: is what they're trying to say. So these are Paul
Speaker 2: Leane charges, right, Like, these rules come from Paul and
Speaker 2: nothing not Jesus at all. Jesus never said any of
Speaker 2: the shit, right, So Jesus never authorized a holy war
Speaker 2: against dissenters. He never authorized killing heretics, and he never
Speaker 2: authorized coercion of belief, and in fact, his teachings directly
Speaker 2: oppose all of that.
Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, yeah, I mean you're supposed to love
Speaker 3: your own vapor, you know what I mean. I'm surprised
Speaker 3: love yourself is in there, you know, and they're buying it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So, And here's another crucial distinction is that it's not
Speaker 2: that Paul personally wanted crusaders. It's that Paul's theology created
Speaker 2: the architecture that made the crusades possible, right right, right motion,
Speaker 2: Because you're you're talking about something that was eleven hundred
Speaker 2: years or so after Paul had already died, This this
Speaker 2: whole appugency and crusade, right, and so obviously Paul wasn't like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have this so we can start taking motherfuckers
Speaker 2: out right. However, if it wasn't for Paul's teachings, there
Speaker 2: would have never been any crusade because there would have
Speaker 2: never been any rules to adhere to.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Okay.
Speaker 2: So Pauline Christianity allows centralized authority, doctrinal boundaries, salvation as membership,
Speaker 2: and punishment for theological deviation. You deviate from this shit
Speaker 2: can punish you. Jesus's teachings do not naturally produce inquisitions,
Speaker 2: so you're not gonna have all these these crusades and
Speaker 2: these inquisitions. Nothing about Jesus says, hey, go and merk. Literally,
Speaker 2: anybody doesn't believe this, right, because actually Jesus was murked
Speaker 2: for that thing. You know, Jesus was taken out because
Speaker 2: he was going up against the Jews, what the Jews
Speaker 2: were saying, right, He was trying to come in and like, yo,
Speaker 2: your your commandments are cool and everything, but fuck your Pharisees.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys are whole. You guys are so
Speaker 2: much worried about the nitty gritty of shit. You're not
Speaker 2: trying to teach anybody how to be one with God, right,
Speaker 2: So fuck all that, all that rule based shit. And
Speaker 2: they killed him for him, So that's that part. So
Speaker 2: the Cathars weren't killed for rejecting Jesus. They were killed
Speaker 2: for rejecting Paul's version of him. So Pope Innocent the Third,
Speaker 2: which was the pope at the time of the Abbagensian
Speaker 2: Crusade during twelve oh eight to twelve oh nine, he
Speaker 2: was calling on northern nobles to eradicate Cathar heresy. He
Speaker 2: commissioned this guy named arnade A Malrick, who was a
Speaker 2: papal legate, which is Rome's highest on site authority. Okay,
Speaker 2: Rome's highest on side authority was this guy. And this
Speaker 2: name is very important and maybe you don't remember the name,
Speaker 2: but you'll remember his quote. Okay, So he was. He
Speaker 2: was Rome's highest on site authority overseeing the campaign's religious legitimacy, discipline,
Speaker 2: and messaging. Al mar Rick did not command armies tactically
Speaker 2: like a general per se, but his word carried papal authority,
Speaker 2: so his word was like almost the Pope put him
Speaker 2: up on his level. Essentially, was like your word is
Speaker 2: literally under Jesus like great under you know. And his
Speaker 2: rulings and exhortations framed the violence as God sanctioned. So
Speaker 2: this is what he said, Pope innocent along with our
Speaker 2: no A mahal Ricks, the people legged said that anybody
Speaker 2: that went against what the Church was saying and was
Speaker 2: trying to distort any of the church's teachings, such as
Speaker 2: what the Cathars did violence is God sanctioned. Wow, now
Speaker 2: that is all Paul. That is only Paul. Nobody else
Speaker 2: is saying this. Now, if you were a Jew, I
Speaker 2: get it, because you had those rules for you know,
Speaker 2: a couple thousand years, right, right. But these are not Jews.
Speaker 2: These are the new Jews. These are the excommunicated Jews
Speaker 2: who found Jesus, right yeh. And so yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: was going on there. So when soldiers reportedly this is
Speaker 2: the quote. So when soldiers reportedly asked how to distinguish
Speaker 2: Cathars from Catholics, how do you know which ones?
Speaker 3: Which?
Speaker 2: They all dressed the same? Right, It's not like the
Speaker 2: Cathars are march around in uniforms, just regular everyday people.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, Almaric says kill them all, for the Lord knows
Speaker 2: those who are his. Wow, which is funny. It is
Speaker 2: actually a hilarious quote that is gonna bring all of
Speaker 2: this full circle. And I'm happy I went down this
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Yeah, Amalric was paraphrasing the Second Epistle of Timothy,
Speaker 2: chapter two, verses nineteen. Now, as I said earlier, Timothy
Speaker 2: was a disciple of fucking Paul. Okay, So this guy
Speaker 2: who was saying kill them all, for the Lord knows
Speaker 2: those who are his, this guy is quoting Timothy, who
Speaker 2: learned from Paul whenever. In the Epistle to Timothy, chapter two,
Speaker 2: verse nineteen, it says that the Lord knows those who
Speaker 2: are his. Huh, that's the quote that he was paraphrasing from. Wow,
Speaker 2: that is what he was saying. So isn't it just
Speaker 2: funny how it came full circle? But literally they are
Speaker 2: they are punishing those who go against Paul's teachings essentially,
Speaker 2: uh huh. And and how they know which ones to kill?
Speaker 2: They are mentioning a Paul quote, right, It's just crazy.
Speaker 2: So Timothy, Timothy is Paul's direct disciple, right under him,
Speaker 2: right along with Luke. Paul calls him my true child
Speaker 2: in faith. Paul called Timothy my true child in faith.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Timothy's authority comes entirely from Paul. Everything that Timothy said,
Speaker 2: everything that Timothy knows. Timothy doesn't even know what his
Speaker 2: fucking name is without Paul calling him Timothy.
Speaker 3: Okay, And Paul's authority was self appointed, Yeah, by a vision.
Speaker 3: What are we dealing with here, dude? It's all gazy
Speaker 3: who GOTSI?
Speaker 2: Which is kind of funny because and this is another
Speaker 2: thing that Aaron Abke likes to bring up, by the way,
Speaker 2: is that for he because he's super into the near
Speaker 2: death experiences like we are, right, and Aaron Abke goes, well,
Speaker 2: every time you hear about somebody having a near death
Speaker 2: experience of Jesus or about Jesus, it is always the
Speaker 2: Jesus version. It's never the Pall version.
Speaker 3: Right of course, of course.
Speaker 2: Right just coming on to scene like a big ball
Speaker 2: of lights, a big ball of love. They come together
Speaker 2: and almost form one unit. Right, you think Jesus is
Speaker 2: is like standing at the door of your near death
Speaker 2: experience saying, well, you're gay.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, super judgy.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know. He's all Wait a second. I heard
Speaker 2: back on November thirteenth at five twenty seven pm with
Speaker 2: twenty eight seconds. He goes, I remember you denouncing my torture.
Speaker 2: I remember you denouncing I sacrifice. You said that you
Speaker 2: didn't believe in that. So I'm sorry. I'm sending you
Speaker 2: to hell, even if it's only for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: You just need to know what the fuck it's like
Speaker 2: so you can turn your shit around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never see that, actually never, never, you would
Speaker 3: think that you you would see more of that though
Speaker 3: they're like there, definitely would be, especially the people the
Speaker 3: followers that the believers of the the Paul version of
Speaker 3: of all of this. You know, you think you'd see
Speaker 3: more versions of Jesus kind of being super judgmental and
Speaker 3: and actually putting you in like a a hellish place. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you would be, because most people of that belief already
Speaker 3: know that they are not worthy of heaven, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's kind of just ingrained in their in their mind.
Speaker 3: You know, they were born that way, and so they're
Speaker 3: they're definitely not worthy of of heaven and being there
Speaker 3: with Him, right.
Speaker 2: Bro, Not only are they not worthy of being in heaven,
Speaker 2: they're taught to fear God.
Speaker 3: Right, Fear God a separating type of thing, you know,
Speaker 3: that's put that's reading you from God if nothing else
Speaker 3: like fear, you know what I mean? Like that makes
Speaker 3: no sense.
Speaker 2: Not only are you unworthy of God's love because you
Speaker 2: are such a filthy sinner as as they said, And
Speaker 2: I wonder, no, this has to be an Old Testament
Speaker 2: quote where basically it says that God sees us as
Speaker 2: unclean rags. Uh huh, Yeah, But I I don't know, dude,
Speaker 2: Just all of this shit, It just it just it's
Speaker 2: it's baffling to me that people don't like see it logically,
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. You're talking about a literally
Speaker 2: enlightened individual. It is hard to grasp the concept of enlightenment, right,
Speaker 2: It's hard to grasp the concept of the doubt. It's
Speaker 2: hard to grasp the concept of what God is. It's
Speaker 2: hard to grasp grasp the concept of what it means
Speaker 2: to be alive.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that you need to go around
Speaker 2: just making up rules and making and enforcing those rules
Speaker 2: and making people believe in them, and then if they
Speaker 2: don't believe in them, scaring the shit out of them
Speaker 2: into believing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and people or are more than willing to
Speaker 3: believe in this shit, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: I understand it if you are looking at it from
Speaker 3: the Jesus point of view type stuff. You know that
Speaker 3: his teachings and things like that. But when you add
Speaker 3: all this extra shit as far as like oh, you know,
Speaker 3: gay people going straight to hell, you got no chance,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You don't have a choice
Speaker 3: in who you love, you know. It's like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 3: which is all Paul living in fear now.
Speaker 2: And that's all Paul. You know, so I want to
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Speaker 2: into a heavyweight HBO bout, dude, And I'm telling you
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Speaker 2: actually playing around. I'm not even gonna give it away.
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Speaker 3: Also is if you have an experience or something like that,
Speaker 3: like share that with us. If you're if you're willing
Speaker 3: to like, that's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. How many times have we heard like
Speaker 2: an alien experience or a near death experience or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're only one person, you know, where we
Speaker 3: can only have our experience, So if we could hear
Speaker 3: from you guys, that'd be great.
Speaker 2: That can be only one So all right, So, Dougie said,
Speaker 2: what you're talking about reminds me of the nice Scene
Speaker 2: creed we recite in the Greek Orthodox Church multiple times,
Speaker 2: once in Greek and English. Kabala King says, you speak
Speaker 2: the blasphemy JK. Preach, brother, preach.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Dougie said, uh shared a gift of the Confessions of Faith,
Speaker 2: and I'll read it, you know, just for the sake.
Speaker 2: But it says, I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, UH,
Speaker 2: maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible
Speaker 2: and invisible, and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son
Speaker 2: of God, the only Begotten UH, the only begotten begotten
Speaker 2: of the Father before all ages, light of the Light,
Speaker 2: true God, of the True God, UH, begotten, not made. Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is the niceene creed I believe that you
Speaker 2: were talking about, Dougie, I bet you that was paul inspired.
Speaker 2: So I throw that one out there. Nothing against it,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's a very Pauline way of looking
Speaker 2: at it. The white boy Wizard said, I'm late. What's up? Boys?
Speaker 2: Fucking love all y'all? Whitey Wizard, Yeah, White boy Wizard said,
Speaker 2: Jews wrote the Bible, They created Islam. Everything they've ever
Speaker 2: done is to get us to the point, to this
Speaker 2: point in time so they can fulfill their stupid fucking
Speaker 2: prophet season. Kill all the gomm that's a take. That's
Speaker 2: a hot take, Dougie said, while I'm eating my holiday
Speaker 2: ham leftovers, fulfilling their prophecies. Jesus enjoy uh said, pretty
Speaker 2: fucking gnarly. They killed the people with the proper spiritual
Speaker 2: understanding and gave us gay ass religion. What a bunch
Speaker 2: of bags mmm Walmart bags just flopping in the wind,
Speaker 2: you know, said the white boy. The white boy fuck me.
Speaker 2: The Gnostics had it right. Spirit animals here.
Speaker 3: Too, what up?
Speaker 2: Spirit animal? The conspiracy platypus tell people's Samuel.
Speaker 5: I had to buy you. I had to buy the Patreon.
Speaker 5: I missed my Jonathan, I miss you Bob. I had
Speaker 5: to get my dose at Jovi.
Speaker 2: I miss you too. I miss you too, Samuel. Well,
Speaker 2: look yeah, I'm not gonna be missing any more live shows.
Speaker 2: That's just the Holidays has been throwing all this, all
Speaker 2: these things through through a loop big time. But we're uh,
Speaker 2: we're getting back on track here.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I got good news, Bubba, you all right, I am
Speaker 6: getting better.
Speaker 5: Well at the point now they don't have to use
Speaker 5: the lasers, so there's no more burning my kidney and
Speaker 5: everything because the laser, when they use a laser, they
Speaker 5: bust up the stone and everything. And they actually gave
Speaker 5: me a good bad men of scoring. But my kidney
Speaker 5: should get it won't ever get one hundred percent back,
Speaker 5: but it should get damn close.
Speaker 6: So I'm happy.
Speaker 3: And I have it set up.
Speaker 5: Uh, I actually set up a goal you inspired me
Speaker 5: by by twenty twenty. I'm giving myself a year, so
Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven, by January first, I will have I
Speaker 5: will be able to bench to twenty five.
Speaker 3: There you go, damn let's go.
Speaker 5: And I want and keep in mind, I'm like one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty pounds, so I'm gonna try to go
Speaker 5: seventy five over my Yeah, I'd want to say its
Speaker 5: same five.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you'll be able to bench old Dad bought
Speaker 2: over here, because that's about how much I weigh right now.
Speaker 6: Yay.
Speaker 2: I miss you too, Bud. And uh, that's awesome. I'm
Speaker 2: happy that you're that you're healing up. Praise Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yes, amen, Sean, I finally get to see what you
Speaker 6: look like.
Speaker 3: Dog. This is awesome here, I am man. I hope
Speaker 3: you're not disappointed. I know I am.
Speaker 6: You have every much as the dwarf and hobbit. I
Speaker 6: I imagine I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Dude. It's good to see you because.
Speaker 6: You got the camp find you got.
Speaker 3: Ye, That's where I'm at. This is just my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean is every bit of the sexy beast that
Speaker 2: you think that he is.
Speaker 3: Appreciate that ship maybe girl, maybe girl?
Speaker 2: What do you say, Sam?
Speaker 6: Are you a lumber jet?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all, just as sad Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: just as.
Speaker 2: Shop that would Uh yeah, the Big Grumbowski was actually
Speaker 2: supposed to be here tonight. I sent him an invite.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just did both did an episode, but I'm
Speaker 5: astually about to hop out. I just wanted to hop
Speaker 5: in and tell everybody I love y'all, and God bless you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're feeling better.
Speaker 2: Good seeing you.
Speaker 5: But you don't commit too much blasphemy. I'm multi playing that. God,
Speaker 5: don't smite you.
Speaker 3: Well, you'll try.
Speaker 2: Hey, we're just trying to preach Jesus's gospel, not Paul's brother.
Speaker 6: I understand, but hey, just always know that.
Speaker 5: Congratulations you're doing church, whether or two and more gathering
Speaker 5: my name.
Speaker 2: He shall be there, sister. You know, love you, Sam,
Speaker 2: Love you, Bubble. That's the spirit animal. If you've ever
Speaker 2: listened to a cult member live show, Sam has never missed.
Speaker 2: I think he. I think he did miss one live show,
Speaker 2: but it was because he was like unconscious in a
Speaker 2: hospital bed and then he woke up to like talking
Speaker 2: to a nurse and ended up getting her phone number.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Sam, how.
Speaker 3: Just a stud moffoot?
Speaker 2: So let's see. Uh, Timmy Tuto said, thank God, my
Speaker 2: name is Timmy whoa close call?
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it's not exactly Jesus's words, you know.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 2: White boy Wizard said, fabulous, fucking Friday said funny looking,
Speaker 2: not just kidding. Gorgeous baby girl.
Speaker 3: She.
Speaker 2: He said, I told you all my UFO stories. Don't
Speaker 2: think I've told you about my heroin overdose and meeting
Speaker 2: the Creator. I don't I remember hearing something similar to that.
Speaker 2: I don't know you ever went in depth.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think.
Speaker 2: So let's see, Luisa. I believe is zoom User said
Speaker 2: as I, as I have talked to Jonathan a lot before.
Speaker 2: Christianity is such a large spectrum, and even within the
Speaker 2: same denomination, people have such different perspectives as to what
Speaker 2: they truly believe. My perspective is that regardless of who
Speaker 2: you are, and especially your sexuality, I believe we should
Speaker 2: love thy neighbor as yourself, regardless of who you are.
Speaker 2: I completely disagree with the with the vision of all
Speaker 2: Christians being judgmental, because that's not who God wanted.
Speaker 3: Us to be.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, good stuff speared animal came behind that and said,
Speaker 2: my dad got me an ounce for Christmas.
Speaker 3: So Christmas. Uh.
Speaker 2: The Kabala King says this definitely confirms the Gnostic and
Speaker 2: Christian Gnostic theology, which we can get into briefly after
Speaker 2: the episode. My dude, Yeah, that's uh, that's we've covered
Speaker 2: that a lot of it anyway, I mean, we covered
Speaker 2: the Gospel of Thomas. We covered the the the Lost
Speaker 2: Gospel of q which was great, which a lot of
Speaker 2: that was from the Gospel of Thomas, because we whenever
Speaker 2: we were reading the Gospel of Thomas, there seemed to
Speaker 2: be like a lot of overlay with the Lost.
Speaker 3: Gospel of Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: So speaking of that, I thought, you know what, let's
Speaker 2: get into some of the stories here, because if Paul
Speaker 2: is right, then you absolutely must believe that Jesus died
Speaker 2: on the cross for your sins in order to be
Speaker 2: sent to heaven. That is the only way to be
Speaker 2: a Christian. If that is true, then what Jesus says
Speaker 2: shortly would align with that. So so I thought, all right,
Speaker 2: let's go into what Jesus actually said and some of
Speaker 2: his parables. So I have a couple of great parables
Speaker 2: that almost everybody knows and maybe you don't know the
Speaker 2: name of it, but you probably heard the story in
Speaker 2: the past, especially if you're a Christian. So there is
Speaker 2: the parable of the Good Samaritan. If anybody's ever heard
Speaker 2: of this, this is the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Speaker 2: It is what is this Luke Chapter ten, verse twenty
Speaker 2: five onward.
Speaker 3: So it says.
Speaker 2: On one occasion, an expert in the law stood up
Speaker 2: to test Jesus teacher. He asked, what must I do
Speaker 2: to inherit eternal life? Jesus goes, what is written in
Speaker 2: the law. How do you read it? He answered? This
Speaker 2: is Jesus answering, love the Lord your God with all
Speaker 2: your heart, and with all your soul, and with all
Speaker 2: your strength, and with all your mind, and love your
Speaker 2: neighbors as yourself. So how do you inherit eternal life?
Speaker 2: That's his answer, right, Jesus replied, Oh no, that was
Speaker 2: the guy that was saying it. I'm sorry, I'm all
Speaker 2: mixed up because of this. But so this was an
Speaker 2: expert in the law, and Jesus goes, you have answered correctly.
Speaker 2: Do this and you will live. But he wanted to
Speaker 2: justify himself, so Jesus, so he asked Jesus, and who
Speaker 2: is my neighbor? In reply, Jesus said, a man was
Speaker 2: going down from Jerusalem to Jericho when he was attacked
Speaker 2: by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him,
Speaker 2: and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened
Speaker 2: to be going down that same road, and when he
Speaker 2: saw the man he passed by on the other side.
Speaker 2: So too a levite when he came to the place
Speaker 2: and saw him pass by on the other side. But
Speaker 2: a samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was,
Speaker 2: and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
Speaker 2: He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring oil,
Speaker 2: pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man
Speaker 2: on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and
Speaker 2: took care of him. The next day he went out.
Speaker 2: The next day he took out to dinari, which is
Speaker 2: like their money, and gave them to the innkeeper. And
Speaker 2: he goes look after him, he said, And when I return,
Speaker 2: I will reimburse you for any extra expenses you may have.
Speaker 2: And so Jesus goes, which of these three people so
Speaker 2: you had the what was it? A priest that passed
Speaker 2: by the guy that was dying on the road, a
Speaker 2: levite that passed by the guy that was dying on
Speaker 2: the road, and just a good samaritan that went and
Speaker 2: helped this guy and pack it, bandaged him up and
Speaker 2: put him in a hotel and helped them live. Right,
Speaker 2: Jesus goes, which of these three do you think was
Speaker 2: a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands
Speaker 2: of robbers. Uh, the expert in law replied, the one
Speaker 2: who had mercy on him, Jesus told him go and
Speaker 2: do likewise, there you go. That's how you get into heaven.
Speaker 2: That's what he's saying, right, just be good.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yep, some reason it's not enough, you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's weird because I read that whole thing and
Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything about Jesus saying that, like, you
Speaker 2: have to believe that I sacrificed myself essentially to appease
Speaker 2: myself for all of your sins, right, So that's kind
Speaker 2: of strange. Dougie, go right ahead, sir, you have a question.
Speaker 7: I like languages, and I had been watching this video
Speaker 7: about modern Hebrew, and there's a ethnic group in Israel
Speaker 7: called the Samaritans, which is where the people of the Bible.
Speaker 7: That's actually an ethnic group, the Samaritan, But in our
Speaker 7: language we also use the Samaritan as like someone that
Speaker 7: does good deeds because of that biblical story. But their
Speaker 7: religion's pretty interesting. They're actually very similar to Jewish, but
Speaker 7: they call their leaders priests and they speak like a
Speaker 7: different dialectic Hebrew because now modern Hebrew has been reconstructed
Speaker 7: and revived. So if you ever get a chance to
Speaker 7: deep dive into the Samaritan people, they still exist today
Speaker 7: in Israel. It's pretty interesting. And they never left. So
Speaker 7: like how the Ashkenazi Jews left and went to Europe
Speaker 7: and the Shephardic Jews Spain and so on, this group
Speaker 7: of Jewish people stayed and then they kind of diverged
Speaker 7: and they have different traditions than contemporary Judaism.
Speaker 2: That actually makes sense because you never hear of a
Speaker 2: bad Samaritan, you know, it's always a good Samaritan.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, okay, that makes sense. And it was capitalized
Speaker 2: with an S, so I figured it was a group
Speaker 2: of people who were called the Samaritans. But you know,
Speaker 2: makes sense. Kabala King, go ahead, sir.
Speaker 4: And it's just so crazy about what the court you
Speaker 4: just said about Jesus right now. My son asked me
Speaker 4: the other day, he's nine, He was like, Dan, how
Speaker 4: do you get into heaven?
Speaker 3: This? And that.
Speaker 4: He was like his grandma going to go to heaven,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, technically with the if you're
Speaker 4: a Christian, well Grandma's not going to go to heaven
Speaker 4: because she's a Catholic. You're a good, nice, little sweet, amazing,
Speaker 4: I'm awesome. Grandma's technically not going to go to heaven
Speaker 4: based on what family believes in. But guess what did
Speaker 4: you know? Then some crazy murderer and rapist that repents
Speaker 4: and believes in Jesus's death right before he does gets
Speaker 4: to go to heaven. But now you're a grandma because
Speaker 4: she's a Catholic.
Speaker 2: Listen, how ridiculous that even.
Speaker 4: Sounds exactly exactly so he's barely ning, but I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not quite watching anything for him right now. Tell
Speaker 4: them everything that I know. But if you think about
Speaker 4: it like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. And a lot of this,
Speaker 2: you know, the Kingdom of Heaven is within, which means
Speaker 2: we have access to it. And if we if we
Speaker 2: have access to the Kingdom of Heaven, which is the
Speaker 2: k which is God's Kingdom, which is to say that
Speaker 2: God is within each and every one of us. If
Speaker 2: you went into your inner sanctum, into your inner temple,
Speaker 2: and meditated and really try to connect with God, where
Speaker 2: in there would you be given such amazing information of
Speaker 2: saying even a pedophile who literally did all of the
Speaker 2: worst things up until moments before his death. Even if
Speaker 2: he says that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior
Speaker 2: because he died for all of our sins, for all
Speaker 2: of humanity, you would never come to the conclusion that
Speaker 2: that guy's going to heaven just because he announced that
Speaker 2: moment before dying, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, according to Paul, it wasn't about how how
Speaker 3: Jesus lived, you know what I mean, It was how
Speaker 3: he died, you know what I mean. That seems to
Speaker 3: be the theme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all they care about.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Doug, it sounds like you're referring to the
Speaker 7: pope's pedophiles going to have it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically. Well, and and the thing is with with
Speaker 2: all the popes and the priests, you know, they don't
Speaker 2: even go to jail. They just get sent to another
Speaker 2: church where nobody's ever heard their name, you know, which
Speaker 2: is Yeah, that's that's crazy to me. That is just
Speaker 2: absolute nonsense. But anyway, Timmy Tuto says, nice exit, Jonathan, Yeah,
Speaker 2: sorry about that. The the the heavens above just started
Speaker 2: rolling up above my head and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm being judged. Right now. Yeah, Dougie said,
Speaker 2: my favorite Christian movie is The Kingpin. The Bible is
Speaker 2: against not forgiving. Kingpin was such a classic movie.
Speaker 3: Whaty Harrelson, Oh yes, oh god, my favorite.
Speaker 2: Classic He goes brother Kine. You know what it says
Speaker 2: in the Bible about not forgiving people. Yeah, Dougie said,
Speaker 2: if we all wear nikes and drink the kool aid,
Speaker 2: we will get to the kingdom. Who's with me, Jesus?
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to it. So, yeah, that
Speaker 2: was the parable of the Good Samaritan. And you're going
Speaker 2: to start to see you can start to see a
Speaker 2: trend here.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I have a bunch of things that I have here.
Speaker 2: So I in my initial searchings for was Paul really
Speaker 2: in conflict with Jesus's teachings? And I searched it up
Speaker 2: Jesus versus Paul teachings. It says, uh, why are Paul's
Speaker 2: teachings different from Jesus? Says. Jesus's message in a nutshell
Speaker 2: was to gain salvation with God, was to repent, be forgiven,
Speaker 2: and turn your turn your lives around now right, not
Speaker 2: not once you die in heaven. Paul's message was to
Speaker 2: gain uh. Paul's message to gain salvation was to believe
Speaker 2: in the death and resurrection of Jesus. That's how you
Speaker 2: get into heaven. You's got to believe that part.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's it.
Speaker 2: So God needed someone to pay with blood, and that
Speaker 2: is what Jesus did, according to Paul. Wow, because God
Speaker 2: lust for blood.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. Of course, you know, I means that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean definitely Old Testament God was about that, you know.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, yeah, they were definitely about that. So all right,
Speaker 2: here's a here's a good one. You've heard of the
Speaker 2: rich and the Kingdom of God, right, so this one goes.
Speaker 2: Just then, a man came up to Jesus and asked, teacher,
Speaker 2: what good? What good thing must I do to get
Speaker 2: eternal life? Basically eternal life in heaven? Right, Jesus goes,
Speaker 2: why do you ask me about what is good? There
Speaker 2: is only one. There is only one who is good.
Speaker 2: If you want to enter life, keep the commandments? Which
Speaker 2: ones he inquired? Jesus replied, You shall not murder, you
Speaker 2: shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall
Speaker 2: not give false testimony. You should honor your mother and
Speaker 2: father and love your neighbor as yourself.
Speaker 3: That's how.
Speaker 2: That's how he's saying it right here, right, it makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The young man goes, well, all these I have kept,
Speaker 2: so what do I still lack? Jesus answered, if you
Speaker 2: want to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give
Speaker 2: to the poor, and you will you will have treasure
Speaker 2: in heaven. Then come follow me. When the young man
Speaker 2: heard this, he went away sad because he had great wealth.
Speaker 2: Then Jesus said to his disciples, truly, I tell you
Speaker 2: it is hard for someone who is rich to enter
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Heaven. Again, I tell you is it
Speaker 2: is easier for a camel to go through the eye
Speaker 2: of a needle than for someone who is rich to
Speaker 2: enter the Kingdom of God. When the disciples heard, they
Speaker 2: were greatly astonished and asked, who then can be saved.
Speaker 2: Jesus looked at them and said, with man, this is impossible.
Speaker 2: But with all but with God, all things are possible.
Speaker 2: Peter then answered him, we have we have left everything
Speaker 2: to follow you will there? What then will there be
Speaker 2: for us? Jesus said again, he goes, truly, I tell you,
Speaker 2: at the renewal of all things, When the son of
Speaker 2: Man sits on his glorious throne. You who have followed
Speaker 2: me will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes,
Speaker 2: the tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses
Speaker 2: or brothers or sisters, or father or mother or wife,
Speaker 2: or children or fields for my sake will receive a
Speaker 2: hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But
Speaker 2: many who are first will be last, and many who
Speaker 2: are last will be first. That whole conversation, right, so
Speaker 2: nothing you can really not get down with there, Like
Speaker 2: he was saying basically, to follow him, to preach the
Speaker 2: good news, right like, to preach the good word, and
Speaker 2: to try and wake people up. He goes, Look, you
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna be much better off in heaven if
Speaker 2: you just come and like help me wake as many
Speaker 2: motherfuckers up as I possibly can, right, Like.
Speaker 3: To get rid of all your possessions and get rid
Speaker 3: of all of your attachments, which is another thing I
Speaker 3: can get down with.
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, that's what a lot of Buddhists
Speaker 2: were doing. The early Buddhists were doing that as well.
Speaker 2: That's that's something that Buddha himself taught. Buddha himself taught like, look,
Speaker 2: because Buddha was like spoiled rotten. He'd never seen sin,
Speaker 2: he had never seen sickness, he'd never seen death, he'd
Speaker 2: never even seen unhappy. Right, his parents kept him from
Speaker 2: all that. And then Jesus or Buddha was you know,
Speaker 2: walking down the road and saw like a poor man
Speaker 2: or a sick man or something like that, and he
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck is this? Right, he changed
Speaker 2: his entire ways. It caused an enlightenment inside of him
Speaker 2: whenever he experienced that, right, And uh So, basically like,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm trying to say, is is that a
Speaker 2: lot of these enlightenment teachers are basically saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: And that's how you get to the nitty gritty of
Speaker 2: a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, dude. And it just resonates, you know, when
Speaker 3: when Jesus was talking about the things that you should
Speaker 3: and shouldn't do, it's like, yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 3: most of us could agree with that. I think all
Speaker 3: of us here, of course, you know, would agree with that.
Speaker 2: It just makes sense for sure, for sure. So now
Speaker 2: I have the parable of the Lost Sun. Now I
Speaker 2: I wasn't I'm gonnaven real with you. I'd never heard
Speaker 2: this story until Jacob told me one day back when
Speaker 2: we were still on the Cult of Conspiracy. We were
Speaker 2: inside of Christie's studio. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2: It was. It was after a long day of shooting.
Speaker 2: We used to go into Christie's studio and bang out
Speaker 2: three or four episodes in one day. It was crazy
Speaker 2: because he was still working, and so we wanted to
Speaker 2: try and get as many episodes in one day as possible, right,
Speaker 2: And uh, it was a long day and it was
Speaker 2: at the end and I was just talking to him.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, Like, the problem, the problem that
Speaker 2: I see with Christianity is is that there's a whole
Speaker 2: lot of judgment and not a whole lot of people
Speaker 2: who are actually following what they're supposed to follow. And
Speaker 2: just like even Jesus said, you'll know them by their fruit,
Speaker 2: I look at the fruit and I see nothing but
Speaker 2: a bunch of spoiled ass Natfield shit right most of
Speaker 2: the time, not saying that's for everybody, but most of
Speaker 2: the religious people that I have come in contact with
Speaker 2: do not practice what Jesus taught. They to be honest,
Speaker 2: they don't even really practice what Paul taught to the
Speaker 2: most part. But that's the core of their beliefs, right,
Speaker 2: And so I was talking to him about that and
Speaker 2: Jesus and Jesus and Jacob actually said, he goes, wow,
Speaker 2: this is actually a wake up call. I never would
Speaker 2: have thought that God would would come to me by
Speaker 2: speaking through you. I remember this conversation, bro, like it
Speaker 2: was yesterday. And then he proceeds to tell me the
Speaker 2: Parable of the Lost Son, this story that I'm about
Speaker 2: to read. And as Jacob is telling it to me,
Speaker 2: not to put them on blast or anything. That's my brother,
Speaker 2: I love them. But this story touched Jacob in such
Speaker 2: a way that it brought him to tears. As he
Speaker 2: was telling it, Jacob started like legit, crying, like almost booing,
Speaker 2: because he could have he could he related to it.
Speaker 2: So I'm about to read this story and then maybe
Speaker 2: you'll understand, and I'll fill it in if you don't
Speaker 2: as far as like how Jacob related to it. So
Speaker 2: the parable of the Lost Son, so Jesus continued, this
Speaker 2: is a story that he's telling. He goes, there was
Speaker 2: a man who had two sons. The younger one said
Speaker 2: to his father, father, give me my share of the estate,
Speaker 2: so he divided his property between them. Not long after that,
Speaker 2: the younger son got together all that he had had
Speaker 2: set off for a distant country, and there squandered his
Speaker 2: wealth in wild living. After he spent everything, there was
Speaker 2: a severe famine in that whole country, and he began
Speaker 2: to be in need. So he went and hired himself
Speaker 2: out to a citizen of that country, basically made him
Speaker 2: a slave right to try and make some money. Who
Speaker 2: sent him to his field, to his fields to feed pigs,
Speaker 2: so that became his new job right. He longed to
Speaker 2: fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating,
Speaker 2: so he was so poor. He was eating the same
Speaker 2: shit that the pigs were eating now, but no one
Speaker 2: gave him anything. So when he came to his senses,
Speaker 2: he said, how many of my father's hired servants have
Speaker 2: food to spare, and I am here starving to death.
Speaker 2: I will set out and go back to my father
Speaker 2: and say to him, father, I have sinned against Heaven
Speaker 2: and against you. I am no longer worthy to be
Speaker 2: called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.
Speaker 2: So he got up and went to his father. But
Speaker 2: while he was still off a long way. His father
Speaker 2: saw him and was filled with compassion for him. He
Speaker 2: ran to his son, threw his arms around him, and
Speaker 2: kissed him. The son said to him, father, I have
Speaker 2: sinned against heaven and you I am no longer worthy
Speaker 2: to be even called your son. But the father said
Speaker 2: to his servants, quick, bring the best robe and put
Speaker 2: it on him, put a ring on his finger and
Speaker 2: sandals on his feet. Bring the fat and calf and
Speaker 2: kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate, for the
Speaker 2: son of mine was dead and is alive again. He
Speaker 2: was lost and he has found. So they began to celebrate. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the older son was in the field. When he came
Speaker 2: near the house, he heard the music was in dancing,
Speaker 2: so he called one of the servants and asked him
Speaker 2: what was going on. He goes, your brother has come,
Speaker 2: he replied, and your father has killed the fattened calf
Speaker 2: because he has him back safe and sound. The older
Speaker 2: brother became angry and refused to go in, so his
Speaker 2: father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered
Speaker 2: his father, look, all these years I've been slaving for
Speaker 2: you and never disobeyed your orders, Yet you never gave
Speaker 2: me even a young goat so that I could celebrate
Speaker 2: with my friends. But when this son of yours who
Speaker 2: has squandered your property with prostitutes and comes home, you
Speaker 2: kill the fattest calf for him. The dad goes, my son,
Speaker 2: you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.
Speaker 2: But we had to celebrate and be glad because this
Speaker 2: brother of yours was dead and is alive again. He
Speaker 2: was lost and he is found. So essentially the moral
Speaker 2: of the story is that this guy goes away. You know,
Speaker 2: he's like, he doesn't wanna he doesn't want to like
Speaker 2: live under his his dad's rules anymore, right, so he
Speaker 2: decides to go off away. He goes, Dad, give me
Speaker 2: the money that you were gonna give me anyway. I
Speaker 2: want to go out and just make all life of
Speaker 2: my own. He goes and fucks that whole life up,
Speaker 2: and he's thinking that his dad's never gonna take him back,
Speaker 2: because I mean, he basically just turned his nose up
Speaker 2: at his dad and said, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: around you anymore. And then he went and squandered all
Speaker 2: that money. He got into a bunch of trouble, was
Speaker 2: banging a bunch of prostitutes, right, he's not a good look.
Speaker 2: So he was like almost like sad to even think
Speaker 2: about coming back home, because what is my dad going
Speaker 2: to think of me? Right, And Jesus is telling the
Speaker 2: story and the and the dad seize his dude. He
Speaker 2: sees his son far off in the field and he's like,
Speaker 2: get me everything. Get the finest robe, I one rings,
Speaker 2: I want, I want the fattest calf. Right, like, get
Speaker 2: everything ready. I'm so happy my son is back. Basically
Speaker 2: to say, and why why Jacob? What got so emotional
Speaker 2: of it is because Jacob grew up Christian to where
Speaker 2: he had a period in his life where there was
Speaker 2: like three or four years where he was questioning his
Speaker 2: beliefs because of his season of doubt. Right, and then
Speaker 2: Jacob decided to you know, become convinced of Christianity again.
Speaker 2: And so that's how he feels. He feels as if
Speaker 2: God accepted him back even though he went astray, right, Right.
Speaker 2: The moral of the story of what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: say here is nowhere in this story did it say
Speaker 2: that you have to believe in Jesus. Jesus is death
Speaker 2: for your sins and the resurrection. Yet this is Jesus's
Speaker 2: parable of what it's like to be back in God's grace,
Speaker 2: to be back into the Kingdom of heaven. So you see,
Speaker 2: these are much different stories than what Paul was teaching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's my issue because Jesus taught nothing but parables,
Speaker 2: talked all the time, right, even though there's like seventeen
Speaker 2: or eighteen years which nobody knows where the fuck he was,
Speaker 2: not sure, right, but even still it's I just find
Speaker 2: it interesting that people will read that and still have
Speaker 2: to add something to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not necessary, dude, not at all.
Speaker 2: So now I have this is actually oh yeah, here
Speaker 2: we go. So it is understood that homosexuality is not
Speaker 2: morally something that you can do as a Christian, mainly
Speaker 2: that comes from Paul. Now you have like your Old
Speaker 2: Testament talking about it, but in the New Testament the
Speaker 2: only time it's ever brought up is by Paul. Okay,
Speaker 2: and this is from Romans chapter one, verses twenty six
Speaker 2: through twenty seven. Paul goes, because of this, God gave
Speaker 2: them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural
Speaker 2: sexual relations, which is between a man and a woman,
Speaker 2: for unnatural ones. So the women were with the women.
Speaker 2: Now in the same way, the men also abandoned abandoned
Speaker 2: natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for
Speaker 2: one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men and
Speaker 2: received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Basically
Speaker 2: to say that because gays were being gays, they received
Speaker 2: the due penalty for their error. That is where a
Speaker 2: lot of that comes from. Okay, So, and there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of them. I don't know if I actually pulled
Speaker 2: all of them up. I don't think so.
Speaker 3: No. I think that makes it pretty clear though, you know, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Ah, that is a Paul thing, just so everybody knows.
Speaker 2: So I was like, what was my question here? So
Speaker 2: what did Oh? That's right because as I had said
Speaker 2: that Paul was a Pharisee, right, so I wanted to
Speaker 2: pull up exactly what Jesus said about the Pharisees. Okay, So,
Speaker 2: Jesus strongly criticized the Pharisees, calling them hypocrites who focused
Speaker 2: on outward religious outward religious showing, while being full of greed,
Speaker 2: self indulgence, and wickedness inside, comparing comparing them to whitewashed
Speaker 2: tombs that look good but are spiritually dead. He condemned
Speaker 2: their hypocrisy, their love for status, their burdening people with
Speaker 2: heavy laws that they ignored, and their persecution of prophets,
Speaker 2: warning them that they would face judgment for shedding righteous
Speaker 2: blood while telling people to follow their their scriptural teaching,
Speaker 2: he urged them to he urged them not to imitate
Speaker 2: their corrupt actions. So basically he had a problem with them, right,
Speaker 2: and yet an ex pharisee is the one that's coming
Speaker 2: in here and telling you that he had a divine
Speaker 2: revelation of Jesus.
Speaker 3: And half of everything that you read is of that
Speaker 3: or of that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trip, So I was curious a little bit, and
Speaker 2: I said, why did God require a blood sacrifice of Jesus?
Speaker 2: Why do he require that? So, according to Christian theology,
Speaker 2: God required Jesus's blood sacrifice, And tell me if this
Speaker 2: makes any sense, because sin demands death and blood represents life.
Speaker 2: So an innocent life must be given to a tone
Speaker 2: for humanity sins, satisfying divine justice, not because an almighty
Speaker 2: God needs it, but as a demonstration of his infinite
Speaker 2: love and a fulfillment of biblical biblical principles established in
Speaker 2: the Old Testament sacrificial system. So God essentially, just so
Speaker 2: we're hearing this correctly, God needed a blood atonement, and
Speaker 2: he needed one to be perfect, which all sacrifices had
Speaker 2: to be like of the like whenever they do whenever
Speaker 2: they're performing the sacrifice at the Third Temple with the
Speaker 2: red heifer that that supposedly it was just done a
Speaker 2: few months ago, and maybe they're going to be doing
Speaker 2: another one. I don't know, but it's supposed to be
Speaker 2: a perfect red heifer. There can't be nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 2: Can't be having a fucking cleft palette, you know, you
Speaker 2: can't be having like fucking less toes or whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: it has to be perfect, No marking is nothing. It
Speaker 2: has to be a perfect animal in order for it
Speaker 2: to be like a perfect sacrifice. And so that's according
Speaker 2: to Jewish belief right, which I believe is mainly Cabbalistic.
Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. Point is is that
Speaker 2: they they were That's what they did in order to
Speaker 2: atone for sins, was these sacrifices. And so now God,
Speaker 2: the almighty God of everybody, of everything, that, every thought
Speaker 2: and everything, was trying to essentially appease the jew and
Speaker 2: Jewish law by sacrificing the perfect goat.
Speaker 3: Essentially right, God was trying to appease people.
Speaker 2: His people, his people, which makes no sense.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. So I mean God created sin. I
Speaker 3: mean God created sinful nature, you know, like it just
Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't track, you know, no, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So so I just want to pull a
Speaker 2: couple of those up because I thought that's interesting. So
Speaker 2: now I want to get over to and if everybody
Speaker 2: ever gets the chance, big shout out to Cipher dot
Speaker 2: j on TikTok. Do you ever get a chance go
Speaker 2: check him out? So cipher jay on TikTok. He had
Speaker 2: a great video discerning the two stories between Paul and Jesus,
Speaker 2: so talk about the nature of salvation. Jesus said that
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of God is within you, which everybody knows. Right,
Speaker 2: that your faith has made you whole, made you whole
Speaker 2: your faith right. Paul said, however, that if you confess
Speaker 2: with your mouth and you believe that you will be saved,
Speaker 2: that you are justified by faith apart from works. Wow,
Speaker 2: that that one statement alone contradicts what Jesus said, because
Speaker 2: Jesus never said faith apart from works is how you
Speaker 2: get to the Kingdom of heaven. No, Jesus included the works.
Speaker 2: He said, as a matter of fact, your faith and
Speaker 2: your works are interchangeable. They may as well be the
Speaker 2: same damn thing. Because if you are faithful and faithful
Speaker 2: to God, the God that is within you, the God
Speaker 2: that tells you like to help your neighbor and help
Speaker 2: the help the poor and the needy and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, that thing that that is inside of you,
Speaker 2: if you listen to that and have faith in that,
Speaker 2: then you're going to have to do the works. You
Speaker 2: can't not do the works.
Speaker 3: Right right That Paul's way of looking at it is
Speaker 3: what allows for uh A to kill people his whole
Speaker 3: life and then just confess at the end, Paul said.
Speaker 2: Paul's like, just believe, brother, that's all you need. Like,
Speaker 2: you can never live up to Jesus, So don't even try.
Speaker 2: Why would you try?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So, and then we get into sin logic as far
Speaker 2: as how do we look at sins? So Jesus said,
Speaker 2: neither do I condemn you go and sin no more.
Speaker 2: Just don't do it anymore.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Repent is basically what Jesus was saying about sins Like
Speaker 2: you sin, It's okay, you're not going to hell, but
Speaker 2: you need to repent, change your mind, get out of
Speaker 2: that fucking zone, right, and then then you are right.
Speaker 2: Just repent, that's it. Paul's like, all have sinned and
Speaker 2: fall short of the glory of God.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, what that attitude?
Speaker 2: It's crazy, dude. Now, as far as forgiveness goes Jesus said,
Speaker 2: your sins are forgiven, dude. Once you repent, you're they're forgiven.
Speaker 2: And actually Jesus was was forgiving people of their sins,
Speaker 2: you know, because he was like God in the flesh, right, right,
Speaker 2: So he had the royalty to be able to do
Speaker 2: that according to believers, right, Paul said, without the shedding
Speaker 2: of blood, there is no forgiveness.
Speaker 3: Jeez, what God, Like, what are we talking about? So backwards, dude.
Speaker 2: So as far as Jesus's death, so Jesus. As far
Speaker 2: as like what saves you, oh yeah, that's right. So
Speaker 2: as far as what saves you, Jesus said, if you
Speaker 2: want to enter eternal life, keep the commandments, amongst loving
Speaker 2: your neighbor as yourself, and loving God and all that. Right,
Speaker 2: Paul said, by grace, you are saved. Through faith, not
Speaker 2: of works, right, saying fuck your works. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: nice gesture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't really matter though what you did
Speaker 3: while you were alive. You know.
Speaker 2: See, this is where Christians will absolutely like delude this whole,
Speaker 2: this whole sentiment right here. Not all Christians, but I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of Christians say this what I'm about
Speaker 2: to say, you can't earn your way into heaven.
Speaker 3: Bro mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, you're missing the fucking point.
Speaker 2: You're missing. The point is that faith and works are interchangeable.
Speaker 2: That if you have faith, then you will do the
Speaker 2: works because you are working as if God is within
Speaker 2: you and you're doing what God would do.
Speaker 3: Right, You're you're living that, right.
Speaker 2: You're living it. You're not just thinking it. You don't
Speaker 2: just believe it, right, stupid Yep, it's watered down. I
Speaker 2: wish I could say this was kold aid, but it's
Speaker 2: too watered down.
Speaker 3: Right, there's like no sugar in it. Yeah, like the hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, they're using Stevie up in this ship, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So here we go, all right, now,
Speaker 2: as far as temple and sacrifice, Jesus said, go and
Speaker 2: learn what this means. I desire Listen to this, Jesus said,
Speaker 2: I desire mercy, not sacrifice. Right, not sacrifice. Paul said,
Speaker 2: Christ loved us and gave himself as a sacrifice.
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't think he would have. I don't think
Speaker 3: that was his his whole thing, right, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Was anti sacrifice. Paul's like, now, he sacrificed himself. What
Speaker 2: is he talking about?
Speaker 3: He did it for you, you know you'd be grateful.
Speaker 2: So stupid. Now, as far as hierarchy, Jesus said, the
Speaker 2: greatest among you shall be your servant. Okay, basically to
Speaker 2: say that those who have the most faith, which means
Speaker 2: they have the most amount of God inside of them,
Speaker 2: or the connection to God is so potent, the greatest
Speaker 2: among you shall be your servant. They should serve you,
Speaker 2: because to serve others is to serve God. Right, that's
Speaker 2: the way that Jesus looked at it. Paul said, this
Speaker 2: is almost blasphemous, even putting in this context. Paul says, slaves,
Speaker 2: obey your masters with fear and trembling.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's wholesome, Pretty wholesome, my.
Speaker 2: God, obey your master's slave with fear and trembling. By
Speaker 2: the way, I do want to say this. Paul was
Speaker 2: Paul really believed that, like the end times were coming
Speaker 2: in his lifetime. He legit believed it so much so
Speaker 2: that he, dude, Paul was a oh uh, what's the
Speaker 2: fucking word? It's not coming to my mind. But never
Speaker 2: wanted to have sex, Okay, Paul was like against having sex, right,
Speaker 2: it was against having sex, was against procreating and all
Speaker 2: that because he believe abs to there's the word what's
Speaker 2: the a word anal no abstinence, Well, what's that from?
Speaker 2: That's from like American fire or something. But so yeah,
Speaker 2: so Paul was was heavily on the abstinence part. He
Speaker 2: was heavily like not on pro creating because he believed
Speaker 2: that doomsday literally the end times were coming in his lifetime.
Speaker 2: And to to pro create is like torture to these
Speaker 2: little kids. Don't don't even think about doing it right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Why would you bring life into this world? Why would
Speaker 2: you do it right? It was a doomsday cult, is
Speaker 2: what he was trying to build. And so of course
Speaker 2: it makes sense why he was saying. And this is
Speaker 2: where some people might take it out of context. But
Speaker 2: what I've heard is is that the reason why Paul
Speaker 2: said to the slaves to obey your masters with fear
Speaker 2: and trembling is because, look, you only got to do
Speaker 2: it for a little bit longer, and then whenever heaven
Speaker 2: and earth is combined and we're not even here anymore,
Speaker 2: it's not even look the same, Like, just get by
Speaker 2: your last couple of days. Just do it, no big deal,
Speaker 2: like your slave makes you do this whatever, who cares?
Speaker 2: It's only temporary, right, that's the context, right, even still
Speaker 2: not good words. Is not what Jesus was saying at all.
Speaker 3: Was he was Paul Mary? Or was he just a
Speaker 3: single guy? Oh?
Speaker 2: He stayed single his whole life, I believe. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he actually believed that everybody else should be single
Speaker 2: so that they can devote all of their time to
Speaker 2: getting revelations from Jesus. Okay, all right, teach their own
Speaker 2: Where was I? All right? As far as the nature
Speaker 2: of God goes, so Jesus said this is. These are
Speaker 2: all quotes. By the way, Jesus said, God is spirit,
Speaker 2: and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's perfectly okay. I think Paul said God will judge
Speaker 2: the secrets of men through Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, how.
Speaker 2: Do you know that?
Speaker 3: Paul? Paul literally as far as we're dude, don't question it.
Speaker 2: This is the crazy thing too. Whenever. So, so Paul,
Speaker 2: he's on this road to Damascus, and he sees the
Speaker 2: vision of Jesus. Right if I'm not mistaken, And I
Speaker 2: don't think that I am, but I could be. I'm
Speaker 2: not a Christian theologian or a scholar or anything, but
Speaker 2: from my research, that is the only time that Jesus
Speaker 2: that Paul ever saw. Jesus was on this road, and
Speaker 2: nobody could really account for how long the session between
Speaker 2: the two was, but it seemed to be pretty short.
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't very long.
Speaker 3: Right, So you try a lot of messages from that.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna stand there and tell me that you
Speaker 2: can stand there, whisker dews, whisker don'ts. You're gonna stand
Speaker 2: there and tell me that Paul received all of these
Speaker 2: messages from Jesus in just a couple of minutes through
Speaker 2: a vision in which nobody else can verify. It was
Speaker 2: a download, dude, you know, it was like a whole packet.
Speaker 2: And this is what I say about downloads. I think
Speaker 2: that it's it's to the individual, Paul. If you believe
Speaker 2: that literally God made manifest in the ethereal realms, and
Speaker 2: you want to form that character, which is really I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go there, but it's a projection of yourself.
Speaker 2: But whatever, if you really neither here nor there, If
Speaker 2: you're going to form that and you're gonna receive some
Speaker 2: kind of downloaded information from the heavens, why do you
Speaker 2: think that it has to be for everybody? Why can't
Speaker 2: it be for you? Because you think about it, all
Speaker 2: these people who have divine revelations, think about Kim Clement,
Speaker 2: like we've talked about him before, or think about people
Speaker 2: who have near death experiences, all of these modern day
Speaker 2: prophets he fel.
Speaker 3: Why is all of this not in a Bible somewhere right? Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I mean God's a little inactive now, you know, we're
Speaker 3: kind of on our own. I think that's what people say.
Speaker 2: It just makes no sense of all the people to
Speaker 2: ever prophesy Jesus or God, this is the only like
Speaker 2: one that we really listen to. Out of the thousands,
Speaker 2: the tens of thousands of people that have had divine
Speaker 2: revelation of Jesus, whether it be a near death experience
Speaker 2: or a dream or a nightmare or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right, that's what we got, dude, that's it.
Speaker 2: It's just silly. It's just silly to me. So here
Speaker 2: we go. Now, as far as human nature goes, Jesus goes,
Speaker 2: you are the light of the world. Literally, you are
Speaker 2: the light of the world.
Speaker 3: Paul goes.
Speaker 2: There is one God and one mediator between God and man.
Speaker 2: That man is Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Okay, thought I was light, you know? Right? Nope, wrong, thought, wrong, Grandma.
Speaker 2: Now, as far as law and fulfillment goes, Jesus says,
Speaker 2: do not think that I came to abolish the law.
Speaker 2: I came to fulfill it.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: And also another one Jesus says, and I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: gonna butcher the quote here, but he goes, I did
Speaker 2: not come to even change one letter of the law.
Speaker 2: I didn't come to change nothing from it. You keep
Speaker 2: on going by your commandments, you keep on going by
Speaker 2: your laws. I didn't come to change none of them.
Speaker 2: You know what Paul said, Christ is the end of
Speaker 2: the law.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he said that, dude. I don't think
Speaker 2: that was what he was trying to say. There, No,
Speaker 2: it's actually the opposite of what he was trying to say.
Speaker 2: You know, well he changed his mind, I guess yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well Paul saw ethereal Jesus. These other people just saw
Speaker 2: flesh Jesus.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, as far as gender issues, Jesus taught women, he
Speaker 2: defended them publicly, and then made them witnesses for the resurrection. Right,
Speaker 2: so he was like dude, His closest ally, which the
Speaker 2: church has branded a whore, his closest ally was Mary Magdalene,
Speaker 2: so much so that I was was it James his
Speaker 2: brother or one of his apostles, was so jealous of
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalen because Jesus was telling and teaching Mary Magdalene
Speaker 2: like you know, initiation secrets and you know Kingdom of
Speaker 2: Heaven secrets, and and just better ways to interpret what
Speaker 2: he was trying to say, right, having like private sessions
Speaker 2: where they're in shit, yep. And people got jealous of that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So Jesus definitely didn't hate women. He loved him, right,
Speaker 2: He was like h He never said nothing about a
Speaker 2: woman being less than a man or a man being
Speaker 2: better than a woman, never said anything like that.
Speaker 3: However, what's Paul got to say?
Speaker 2: Paulie wants a fucking cracker? Paul said, I do not
Speaker 2: permit a woman to teach or have any authority over man.
Speaker 3: Wow you hear that? Well?
Speaker 2: Are you women out there?
Speaker 3: Yepp?
Speaker 2: So if you believe in the Bible as it is,
Speaker 2: as the as the church likes to tell it to you,
Speaker 2: then you better listen to your husband, okay, because he
Speaker 2: knows better, right. And if you ain't listening to your husband,
Speaker 2: you better be listening to your side piece. I don't
Speaker 2: care who it is. If it is a male figure,
Speaker 2: you better listen to him. According to the Bible.
Speaker 3: That's not me, that's the Bible. That's the Bible right there. Okay.
Speaker 2: Ye, However, I'm coming in and saying Paul was wrong, right,
Speaker 2: We just watched The Grinch.
Speaker 6: Wrong?
Speaker 2: Tho wrong? Anybody with a brain knows that women are
Speaker 2: usually smarter than men, not all the time, usually.
Speaker 3: I think son is not my case.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I'm just okay, she's here anyway. So
Speaker 2: uh yeah, Paul absolutely desecrating Jesus's teachings.
Speaker 3: Crazy now crazy and people just like took it. They're like, okay,
Speaker 3: we believe you, Like, I guess this is what we
Speaker 3: gotta abide by.
Speaker 2: There, It's what God said.
Speaker 3: Jesus didn't come to me, you know, So who am
Speaker 3: I to say? You know, like he came to you,
Speaker 3: so like I have to believe that.
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: What is what's going on? Dude?
Speaker 2: Nobody? It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So now, oh, yes, this is where we get to
Speaker 2: the gainess. Here we go. So Paul was adamantly anti gay. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is why there is so much like of that
Speaker 2: pray the gay shit in church all the time. I
Speaker 2: actually used to date somebody who had that happen into them,
Speaker 2: had the gay prayed out of them or not really,
Speaker 2: but they tried right. Yeah, So this comes from a
Speaker 2: couple of Bible verses. I believe that I read one
Speaker 2: of them already. Yeah, I read the Romans one. Now
Speaker 2: we're going to get to First Corinthians. Ironically it is
Speaker 2: chapter six, verse nine, So I just want to throw
Speaker 2: nobody got that? But anyway, so it starts here. Or
Speaker 2: do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the
Speaker 2: Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither the sexually
Speaker 2: immoral or idolators, nor adulterers, nor men who have sex
Speaker 2: with men, nor thieves, nor the greedy or drunkards, or
Speaker 2: slanderers or swindlers will inherit the Kingdom of God. And
Speaker 2: that is what some of you were. But you were washed,
Speaker 2: you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
Speaker 2: the law Jesus Christ, in the spirit of our God.
Speaker 2: That's what Paul said. Okay, now, what did Jesus have
Speaker 2: to say about this?
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: I feel like I just was like preaching a fucking
Speaker 2: sermon on the dude. You gotta be going, oh boy,
Speaker 2: what was the name of that reverend we just covered?
Speaker 2: Shout out to the head.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, reverend.
Speaker 2: I yes, dude just gets the people going, you know,
Speaker 2: he did. So this is what Jesus said, dot dot
Speaker 2: dot dot dot dot nothing because there is no recorded
Speaker 2: verse in the Four Gospels between Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
Speaker 2: John where Jesus specifically uses the word homosexuality or directly
Speaker 2: addresses same sex relationships. Jesus frequently denounced sexual immortality or immorality.
Speaker 2: Not immortality, that'd be weird. He denounced sexual immorality, such
Speaker 2: as in Mark chapter seven, verse twenty one, and Matthew
Speaker 2: Chapter fifteen, verse nineteen. So the traditional view, this is
Speaker 2: the old school view of people that just don't get it.
Speaker 2: The traditional view, the dogmatic view was the word I
Speaker 2: was searching for, is that many scholars argue for a
Speaker 2: first century Jew like Jesus pornia, which pornia, which is
Speaker 2: sexual immortality. That's the Greek word for it. Pornia automatically
Speaker 2: included the sexual prohibitions found in the Old Testament law
Speaker 2: within Leviticus eighteen and twenty, which specifically forbade male male
Speaker 2: same sex acts. So they're talking about old shit, Old
Speaker 2: Testament stuff, right. However, now that people are starting to
Speaker 2: separate it a little bit, the revisionist view is that
Speaker 2: they argue that pornia refers to specific harmful acts like
Speaker 2: prostitution or exploitation, rather than consensual loving relationlationships, which makes
Speaker 2: a lot more sense.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, So.
Speaker 2: Don't be selling that ass m. He's like, don't do that.
Speaker 2: Don't have no onlyfan. I mean, yeah, look, if you
Speaker 2: got only fans whatever, I don't care. Don't be going
Speaker 2: to no corner and selling it for two piece and
Speaker 2: a biscuit, is what he's trying to say, right, Don't
Speaker 2: be doing all that. What he's saying is is like, look,
Speaker 2: have a little bit of respect for yourself. Like if
Speaker 2: you imagine if God is inside of you, is this
Speaker 2: something God would do? Is this something that Jesus would do?
Speaker 2: This is what he was trying to say. M right, Like,
Speaker 2: if you can connect with that that is within the
Speaker 2: kingdom of Heaven, that is within you, would you need.
Speaker 3: To do that?
Speaker 2: You probably wouldn't, right because you don't need to do
Speaker 2: that to satisfy your soul. You're doing that to satisfy
Speaker 2: you know, your pocketbook and sometimes your body whatever. Right, Right,
Speaker 2: So anyway, Jesus goes, I have come in my father's name,
Speaker 2: and you do not receive me if an another comes
Speaker 2: in Oh shit, this is right all right? So this
Speaker 2: is this is afterward. So this is whenever Jesus is
Speaker 2: talking about like somebody who's gonna come in his name
Speaker 2: and basically descreate all the things that he has said. Right,
Speaker 2: So Jesus goes, I have come in my father's name,
Speaker 2: and if and you do not receive me, if another
Speaker 2: comes in his own name, you will receive him. Basically
Speaker 2: saying is is that if he comes in his in
Speaker 2: his own name, Paul, mm hmm. You're gonna listen to
Speaker 2: what he has to say before you even hear what
Speaker 2: I got to say. And these aren't even my words,
Speaker 2: these are God's words, right right?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 2: You then you hear a little something from Paul. Paul goes,
Speaker 2: so Jesus is basically saying, don't don't listen to nothing
Speaker 2: about what Jesus Christ is telling you. This is God speaking, Okay, like,
Speaker 2: separate the two here.
Speaker 3: Paul.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, he goes, and that which was
Speaker 2: a trial to you in my bodily condition, you did
Speaker 2: not despise or love. But you, you, oh man, Paul says,
Speaker 2: you received me as an angel of God, as Christ
Speaker 2: Jesus himself.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's blasphemy, straight up blasphemy.
Speaker 2: How is the book not on fire with this page?
Speaker 3: Holy shit? Dude? What do people say about this? I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe they just don't talk about it. They just buy it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, it's an it's a respect. It's a it's an
Speaker 2: undying respect for authority, is what it is. It's an
Speaker 2: undying respect for tradition is what it is. It has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with people actually using their brains of
Speaker 2: This guy is literally saying, you are so lucky to
Speaker 2: receive me that I am as if I am an
Speaker 2: angel of God himself, and it takes it even a
Speaker 2: step further. He goes as Christ Jesus himself. Wow, that
Speaker 2: is Galatians chapter four, verse fourteen. That's fucking blasphemy.
Speaker 3: If you ask me, when people read this, what do
Speaker 3: they do, They're just like, well, I mean we just
Speaker 3: accept that, Like, I'm not even religious, and that's crazy
Speaker 3: to be That is crazy, you know. But maybe that's
Speaker 3: why maybe we have the ability to kind of see
Speaker 3: it from the outside, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean take it for yourself and just
Speaker 2: just try and figure it out. I know that we
Speaker 2: are but sin sinners and just human minds and all
Speaker 2: that fun jazz, but I feel like even a human
Speaker 2: mind can figure that one out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: So uh. Jesus says that he comes in his father's
Speaker 2: name and you will not receive him, and you will
Speaker 2: not receive him, but if another comes in his own name,
Speaker 2: they will receive him. Paul brags that he has received
Speaker 2: as an angel of God even as Christ himself.
Speaker 3: Elf.
Speaker 2: Paul always came in his own name. I Paul the Apostle,
Speaker 2: which is interesting because somebody did a statistical overview, and
Speaker 2: I don't. I wish that I would have jotted this down,
Speaker 2: but I didn't. Somebody did a statistical overview of the
Speaker 2: amount of times that Jesus addressed himself in the first person,
Speaker 2: in any case, in first, second, third person, whatever. In
Speaker 2: the amount of times that Paul did it. The amount
Speaker 2: of times that Jesus did it out of all of
Speaker 2: his words, out of every sentence, was like three percent
Speaker 2: something along those lines. Was not a selfish guy, didn't
Speaker 2: want the credit, right. As a matter of fact, he
Speaker 2: never wanted the credit. He always gave all glory to God.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: However, somebody statistically got this that every time there was
Speaker 2: a sentence in which Paul was speaking, it was like
Speaker 2: thirty some odd percent that Paul was trying to take
Speaker 2: credit for it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So and he named himself Paul the Apostle.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I mean that's that authority that you were
Speaker 3: saying that people seek out for. You know that that
Speaker 3: authority that he had was self appointed. You know, like
Speaker 3: if I or anybody that you know was to just
Speaker 3: be like, you know, I am the fourteenth Apostle. You know,
Speaker 3: God came and told me this and so actually this
Speaker 3: and this and this has to be changed. And no
Speaker 3: one's gonna give a shit. No one's gonna say, oh,
Speaker 3: I believe you. You know. It's like, but back then
Speaker 3: it was, you know, I don't know. I don't understand that.
Speaker 3: I don't understand how that works. You know. But maybe
Speaker 3: when you're in that time, you don't really see it
Speaker 3: for what it is, and it just kind of builds
Speaker 3: and becomes this this unbreakable thing and it is the gospel,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that whenever you get people to
Speaker 2: believe rather than know, it is so easy to convince
Speaker 2: people of the the most insane shit if all they
Speaker 2: have to do is believe. If you believe, what that
Speaker 2: means is you don't have to make sense of it
Speaker 2: in your mind. Right, that is? That is ultimately what
Speaker 2: belief is, is that you are just accepting something. You're
Speaker 2: accepting it without knowing it is a belief, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's faith, it's belief whatever, Right, Like I don't need
Speaker 2: to tell you, Sean that your mother raised you, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't need you to believe that, right, I know
Speaker 2: you were there, you saw it. Confirmation, right, You don't
Speaker 2: need to believe that you know it. What Jesus was
Speaker 2: trying to preach is that no, that God is within
Speaker 2: you know it.
Speaker 3: Paul's like, yo, just like I wish.
Speaker 2: Paul's like, yo, Jesus died for your sins.
Speaker 3: Dude, right, you ain't got it like I got it.
Speaker 2: It's like, but how how does that work? How does
Speaker 2: that transaction work? How does that math math? How does
Speaker 2: dying cover everybody else's sins? How can I not just
Speaker 2: say get up somewhere and stand up on top of
Speaker 2: a mountain and be sacrificed. How can I not say
Speaker 2: that if I die, everybody else's sins is fine. Now,
Speaker 2: one might say, well, you're not sinless, You're not clean.
Speaker 2: My Jesus was right, You're not the perfect, perfect sacrificial
Speaker 2: lamb mm hmm what if I was? Because correct me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But if you are baptized, you are
Speaker 2: now clean. That is the reason for getting baptized in
Speaker 2: the first place. So why then can I not just
Speaker 2: go get baptized, stand at the top of a mountain,
Speaker 2: say that I'm sacrificing myself for all of humanity and
Speaker 2: wiping away all their sins?
Speaker 3: How is how does that not work, but it worked
Speaker 3: for Jesus. Well, I think you would still have that
Speaker 3: original sin, you know, that original sin of man from
Speaker 3: Adam and Eve like that does. I don't think that
Speaker 3: ever goes away, But I could be wrong. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: According to Paul, yeah crazy so uh oh. Here's another
Speaker 2: blasphemous quote from Paul. This is in First Corinthians, chapter four,
Speaker 2: verses fourteen through sixteen. Like I said, I brought the receipts.
Speaker 2: If anybody wants to look this up, Paul says, Therefore,
Speaker 2: I exhort you be imitators of me.
Speaker 3: Wow. Whoa okay, yeah shit, yeah buddy.
Speaker 2: Now Paul calls himself, I'll check this out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Paul calls himself the father of his followers and asks
Speaker 2: them not to follow the example of Jesus, but to
Speaker 2: be imitators of him. However, what he did not know
Speaker 2: is that Jesus had already forbidden calling any man on
Speaker 2: earth your father in Matthew twenty three, verse nine, and
Speaker 2: in Matthew twenty three, verse nine it says, and do
Speaker 2: not call anyone on earth father, for you have one father,
Speaker 2: and he is in heaven.
Speaker 3: Wow. Everything Paul stood for was a.
Speaker 2: Contradiction of Jesus. But Paul's like, call me daddy, shit,
Speaker 2: what heat a d Paul souh oh, yeah, dude, So
Speaker 2: this is where shit, well, shit's already weird, right, But
Speaker 2: you want to talk about blasphemous, You want to talk
Speaker 2: about spitting in the face of the people who actually
Speaker 2: walked with Jesus. The Apostles the twelve. Okay, Paul made
Speaker 2: a mockery again, big shout out to Aaron Abke. He's
Speaker 2: on the point of this out. So I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to take credit for even most of this. This is
Speaker 2: stuff that I researched. Paul made a mockery of Jesus's apostles.
Speaker 2: This is a quote here from Paul. Listen to this.
Speaker 2: He's full of his own shit. Paul goes again, I say,
Speaker 2: let no one think of me as foolish, but if
Speaker 2: you do, receive me even as foolish, so that I
Speaker 2: also may boast a little. What I am saying, I
Speaker 2: am not saying as the Lord would, but as in foolishness,
Speaker 2: in this confidence of boasting. So he's proud of his
Speaker 2: confidence in boasting about his accolades. Right, So he goes,
Speaker 2: since many boasts. According to the flesh, I will boast. Also,
Speaker 2: are they Hebrews? So am I? Are they? Oh? Hold on,
Speaker 2: somebody needs to come back. He goes, are they Hebrews?
Speaker 2: So am I? Are they Israelites? So am I? Are
Speaker 2: they descendants of Abraham? So am I? Are they servants
Speaker 2: of Christ? I speak as if I'm insane? I even
Speaker 2: more so, in far more labors, in far more imprisonments,
Speaker 2: beaten times without number, often in danger of death. By
Speaker 2: the way, he's talking shit about the Apostles, saying that, like,
Speaker 2: I went through all of this. So if you guys
Speaker 2: want to call yourself apostles, what did you do to
Speaker 2: earn that title? Because this is what I had to
Speaker 2: go through to earn this title.
Speaker 3: Wow. Right.
Speaker 2: So whenever he's saying that, he goes, are you are You're?
Speaker 3: So what?
Speaker 2: You're a Hebrew? I am too? So what You're an Israelite?
Speaker 2: So am I? Are you a descendant of Abraham? I
Speaker 2: am that? Are you a servant of Christ? I am too.
Speaker 3: And far more.
Speaker 2: Labors and far more imprisonments. I've been beaten times without number,
Speaker 2: often in danger of death. He goes, five times I
Speaker 2: received from the Jews thirty nine lashes whippings, right, which
Speaker 2: already I'm not even done, but let's just stop right
Speaker 2: there for a second. Five times. So whenever Jesus is
Speaker 2: on the cross. The reason why it's thirty nine lashings
Speaker 2: and not forty is because anytime the only animals are
Speaker 2: allowed to get more than forty or more whippings. According
Speaker 2: to the Bible, if you beat anybody more than thirty
Speaker 2: nine times, you're calling them an animal, and that is
Speaker 2: just disgraceful. You can beat them thirty nine, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: So what he's saying is is that he got beat
Speaker 2: thirty nine with thirty nine lashings five times. So whatever
Speaker 2: five times forty is, So two hundred minus five would
Speaker 2: be one hundred ninety five. He got one hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety five lashings, right right. Jesus himself on the cross
Speaker 2: took thirty nine lashes. Died, okay, died. Paul's like, so
Speaker 2: what I could? I did that five times?
Speaker 3: Wow? So that's what Paul says. He tried to validate
Speaker 3: his worthiness of being the thirteenth Apostle. But he's almost
Speaker 3: actually kind of saying, like, look, I'm even more worthy
Speaker 3: than Jesus.
Speaker 2: Himself follow me, follow me.
Speaker 3: Wow, literally trying to almost deify himself.
Speaker 2: But there's more. He goes, three, three times I was
Speaker 2: beaten with rods once I was stoned, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: has anybody ever been stoned?
Speaker 3: Not to death? Oh, doesn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 2: So three times I was beaten with rods, once I
Speaker 2: was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and
Speaker 2: a day I have spent in the deep. That's from
Speaker 2: Second Corinthians, verses eleven, chapter eleven, verses sixteen through twenty five.
Speaker 2: So basically, what he's saying here is that I am
Speaker 2: greater than Jesus's disciples because I have suffered more than them.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's what he's trying to say. Here.
Speaker 2: Here's another quote. This is from Galatians. First Galatians, chapter eleven,
Speaker 2: verse I'm sorry. Chapter one of Galatians, verses eleven through seventeen.
Speaker 2: He goes, for I would have you know, brothers, that
Speaker 2: the gospel was preached by me, that the gospel that
Speaker 2: was preached by me is not man's gossip. Oh, not
Speaker 2: from Jesus the man. It's not man's gospel. For I
Speaker 2: did not receive it from any man, nor was I
Speaker 2: taught it, but I received it through a revelation of
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. But when he who had set me apart
Speaker 2: before I was born and called me by his grace,
Speaker 2: was pleased to reveal his son to me in order
Speaker 2: that I might preach him among the gentiles. I did
Speaker 2: not immediately consult with anyone, nor did I go up
Speaker 2: to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me. But
Speaker 2: I went away to Arabia and returned again to Damascus.
Speaker 2: So what he's saying here is is that I didn't
Speaker 2: immediately consult with anybody. What he's saying is whenever he
Speaker 2: had that vision, he didn't have to go and consult
Speaker 2: with the apostles, the ones that actually walked with Jesus,
Speaker 2: because he didn't need to know all that old ass shit.
Speaker 2: He got the NW Jesus, right, He's like, that's old news.
Speaker 2: I got new Jesus coming to me. All your shit
Speaker 2: you heard it from the man Jesus. I got it
Speaker 2: from God, Jesus God. Okay, that's what he's saying. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, and he actually is saying that it was
Speaker 2: set out to him that this was gonna happen. It
Speaker 2: was written in the stars, even before he was born.
Speaker 2: This is how high he is on his own supply.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so he's saying I didn't go to any
Speaker 2: of your apostles, he goes, Nor did I even go
Speaker 2: to Jerusalem to those who were who are the apostles
Speaker 2: before me or any of the followers before the before me?
Speaker 2: I didn't need to consult with them. Dude, what do
Speaker 2: they know?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, this is the ship that Jesus was warning against,
Speaker 2: in case anybody's wondering, Right, yep, here's one. Now, this
Speaker 2: is something from Jesus. This is nice, something good, something wholesome.
Speaker 2: We need it for a change. I'm this guy that
Speaker 2: just wants to be like Marilyn Manson and remove a
Speaker 2: couple of his ribs to just you know what, you know,
Speaker 2: Jesus goes for I was hungry and you gave me
Speaker 2: no food. I was thirsty and you gave me no drink.
Speaker 2: I was a stranger and you did not welcome me naked,
Speaker 2: and you didn't clothe me sick and in prison, and
Speaker 2: you did not visit me. Then they will then, then
Speaker 2: they will also answer, Lord, when did we see you
Speaker 2: hungry or thirsty, or as a stranger or naked or
Speaker 2: sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee.
Speaker 2: Then he answered them, truly, I say to you, as
Speaker 2: you did, as you did it, not to the least
Speaker 2: of the one of these. You did it, not to me.
Speaker 2: Basically to say that Jesus saw himself as everybody. Dude,
Speaker 2: that's what he's trying to say. Lift the rock and
Speaker 2: I'll be there. Help a stranger, and you're helping me, help,
Speaker 2: your help, your neighbor, you're helping me. What he means
Speaker 2: by me is the one, the all, the everything, everything
Speaker 2: is a mirrored image of itself. So what that's what
Speaker 2: he was trying to say, is that I'm Jesus, You're
Speaker 2: Jesus here, everybody's Jesus, essentially, is what Jesus was trying
Speaker 2: to say, right, yeah, and uh so, then we go
Speaker 2: over to Luke chapter six, verse thirty seven. The he goes,
Speaker 2: do not judge and you will not be judged. Do
Speaker 2: not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive and
Speaker 2: you will be forgiven. Give and it will be given
Speaker 2: to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaking together, and
Speaker 2: running over will be poured into your lap. For with
Speaker 2: the measure you use it will be measured to you. Basically,
Speaker 2: that's what Jesus is saying, do unto others as as
Speaker 2: you would like others to do unto you, right, solid, Yeah, solid,
Speaker 2: Everything is a mirrored image opposite of what Paul was saying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's pretty much what we got. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot more. I could keep on going, but We've
Speaker 2: already gone a couple hours, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: extend it and water it down or anything, but you
Speaker 2: basically get the gist of what I'm trying to say, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had no idea, man, I thought there was it
Speaker 3: was gonna be like a little bit deluded to where
Speaker 3: you actually had to really interpret it and go okay,
Speaker 3: you know, but like that was just like super clear
Speaker 3: and obvious. How different you know, Paul's messages were as
Speaker 3: opposed to Jesus and really how he looked at himself,
Speaker 3: you know, like, holy shit, dude, and people just accept it, dude,
Speaker 3: Like that's wild to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean Paul. It said that Paul had
Speaker 2: a lot of demons, and that is something that Aaron
Speaker 2: Abkey was suggesting, because Paul was like, you know, to
Speaker 2: live is to is basically like a punishment. He believed
Speaker 2: that living was a punishment, that being a human is
Speaker 2: like one of the lowest things that you could possibly be,
Speaker 2: because all we want to do is just sin. All
Speaker 2: we care about is eating until we can't eat no more,
Speaker 2: drinking until we can't drink, no more, fucking until we
Speaker 2: can't fuck no more. And all this is what humans are.
Speaker 2: Pigs in the eyes of Paul, right, And that literally
Speaker 2: you will stay a pig in the eyes of Paul
Speaker 2: and the eyes of most Christians and most churches as well.
Speaker 2: You're gonna stay that until you accept the Jesus Christ
Speaker 2: is your Lord and favor, and that he died for
Speaker 2: your sins and resurrected then and only until then, you
Speaker 2: are nothing but fucking swine. Wow, that's basically what Paul
Speaker 2: is trying to say. So, yeah, we weren't grasping at straws.
Speaker 2: We're literally reading it straight from the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. I don't understand how people don't see
Speaker 3: it that way. You know. Well, as you've said before,
Speaker 3: it's more like a tradition than it is like actually
Speaker 3: using your own mind and really trying to figure out
Speaker 3: why things are the way they are, you know, and
Speaker 3: why you believe the things you believe, and that is
Speaker 3: that is phenomenal work.
Speaker 2: Well, and because they they mythologize Paul essentially is what's
Speaker 2: going on. I think that they basically turned him into
Speaker 2: such a figure that you cannot question that authority because
Speaker 2: he had divine authority. He had the vision on the
Speaker 2: road to Damascus. He was the one that turned against
Speaker 2: his ways of killing Christians and then decided to be
Speaker 2: a Christian himself. And by the way, he was the
Speaker 2: one that was going around building all the churches.
Speaker 3: Mmmmmm okay.
Speaker 2: He was the one that was building the churches everywhere.
Speaker 2: So this is the version of the Bible that most
Speaker 2: people get, is Paul's version because he was the one
Speaker 2: that was building the churches.
Speaker 3: That's huge, dude. I had no idea what that deep
Speaker 3: really falls, deep oblivious, ignorant to it all.
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't know any otherwise. Most people wouldn't even think.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you separate one from the other. Well,
Speaker 2: you separate one from the other using fucking logic. One
Speaker 2: actually was the savior. One was pretending to essentially be
Speaker 2: the savior, and and you know, and trying to interpret
Speaker 2: what Jesus' will was from the ether and people call
Speaker 2: us woo Woo. You're literally basing your entire religion off
Speaker 2: of some fucking guy's vision, and we're the woo Woo ones.
Speaker 3: Right. Let's see the difference is between the Woo Woo
Speaker 3: and Paul is that, you know, whenever we get a
Speaker 3: download or you know, just some understanding, we already understand
Speaker 3: that most likely it's really just for us. You know,
Speaker 3: we know that everybody's on their own journey and at
Speaker 3: a different level of the journey. I don't even know. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't even say level, just a different part of their journey, right,
Speaker 3: And so when you get an understanding or a vision
Speaker 3: or you have a dream and you're like, oh, that
Speaker 3: was weird, and you interpret it and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I think it had to do with this because I'm
Speaker 3: going through this and it's for you, you know, it's
Speaker 3: not necessarily for the masses. Oh So, I mean that's
Speaker 3: the huge difference.
Speaker 2: Think about it. Like, we've done a lot of different meditations,
Speaker 2: and we've had like awesome visions and experiences in there
Speaker 2: and everything. I went to like what was it leprechaun
Speaker 2: Land and met a Leprecawn named Garrick. Yeah, do I
Speaker 2: need to write a gospel and tell everybody what Garrick
Speaker 2: said from the other fucking side.
Speaker 3: No, dude, No, but it's understood. It's ridiculous, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: And this is this is what I was thinking about too,
Speaker 3: as far as like those different meditations and everything that
Speaker 3: we've had, like you've had that experience or the whole
Speaker 3: dragon one or the you know, We've had so many
Speaker 3: different ones. And I feel like whatever you accept and
Speaker 3: want to believe, even just briefly for that meditation, you
Speaker 3: can make that happen. And so I mean, who's to say,
Speaker 3: maybe Paul actually had some sort of revelation or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it, right, But that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean that it was the God, you know, or the Jesus.
Speaker 3: It could have been his own interpretation of Jesus. And
Speaker 3: then it he intertwined it with his own beliefs, in
Speaker 3: his own ways of wanting things to be, and said, okay,
Speaker 3: well this is it. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 3: was just an interpretation of his own, his own mind,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yes, essential to how I
Speaker 3: look at it.
Speaker 2: You know, Paul was a very orchard individual in his
Speaker 2: own mind. I believe that he had a lot of
Speaker 2: shit going on upstairs, and what was going on to him,
Speaker 2: he was trying to make everybody else pay for it.
Speaker 3: Essentially. Yeah, well, you know, misery loves company.
Speaker 2: Man, the Kabala King says, not gonna lie. I grew
Speaker 2: up in a church. I think I have a lot
Speaker 2: better of an understanding and knowledge about the Bible, even
Speaker 2: more than most self proclaimed Christians. But the fact that
Speaker 2: I didn't know and have never heard about these contradictions
Speaker 2: is mind blowing, which is why I've been bugging about
Speaker 2: hearing this episode. This shit is mind blowing, and the
Speaker 2: fact that most Bible leaders and scholars turn a blind
Speaker 2: eye to this shit is disappointing as fuck. Thank you, Jonathan,
Speaker 2: your service and research diligence is greatly appreciated. Ganggang appreciate that. Hey, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm just uh, I'm just going after the people that
Speaker 2: have already talked about it. You know, It's it's amazing
Speaker 2: the the ount of research that people do whenever they
Speaker 2: are passionate about a subject. You know, you almost feel
Speaker 2: as if you are being guided by God in a sense.
Speaker 2: In that flow state. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna enjoy this tarot card. It just
Speaker 3: makes sense. Okay, Well I got a new tarot deck.
Speaker 3: Oh you did. Yeah, my wife got me a deck
Speaker 3: for Christmas.
Speaker 2: All right, don't say it yeah, because I'm not done
Speaker 2: just yet. I'm almost done. But this is I got
Speaker 2: a little autro here. All I've had a lot of
Speaker 2: time to plan this. So now we go as far
Speaker 2: as Jesus beyond Paul. When you strip away the letters,
Speaker 2: the institutions, the councils, the creeds, and the fear, what
Speaker 2: remains is not a religion. It is a teacher. Jesus
Speaker 2: didn't come to be believed in. He came to be
Speaker 2: listened to. He didn't demand allegiance, a blood sacrifice, or
Speaker 2: doctrinal purity. He spoke of inner transformation, passion, ego, death, forgiveness,
Speaker 2: and the awakening to the Kingdom within you. And when
Speaker 2: we finally separate Jesus from Paul, something remarkable happens. Jesus
Speaker 2: steps out of theology and stands shoulder to shoulder with
Speaker 2: the great spiritual mystics, masters and sages of history, not
Speaker 2: as an object of worship, but as a mirror pointing inward.
Speaker 2: Paul gave the world a system to believe in. Jesus
Speaker 2: gave the world a way to be, and systems divide.
Speaker 2: Awakening doesn't. Wars weren't fought over Jesus's teachings. They were
Speaker 2: fought over interpretations, authority, and truth. So if walking away
Speaker 2: from Paul feels uncomfortable, good because awakening usually does. Because
Speaker 2: the moment you stop outsourcing your connection to God, you
Speaker 2: realize that Jesus wasn't building a church, he was waking
Speaker 2: people up. This is the mystic way. And tonight we
Speaker 2: didn't lose Jesus. We finally found him.
Speaker 3: Dude, love it.
Speaker 2: That was great, Oh dude, just a little cherry on top.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, all right, So what'll we got for that tarot?
Speaker 3: We got to.
Speaker 2: Get out of here, talk Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: The light within? Man?
Speaker 2: Oh man, what is happening? The sun beautiful, which is
Speaker 2: actually interesting. It's the nineteenth card. So one plus nine
Speaker 2: equals ten. Ten is the end of a cycle and
Speaker 2: the start of a new one because ten can be
Speaker 2: reduced down to one, which is the beginning. Right, So
Speaker 2: the sun, the sun reveals a clarity that comes only
Speaker 2: after we have spent time with the darkest parts of ourselves.
Speaker 2: The sun signifies great clarity and the enthusiasm that comes
Speaker 2: after emerging from the darkness. An infant arms wide open
Speaker 2: rides on the back of a white horse beneath the
Speaker 2: bright sun, both representing the return of innocence, optimism, and freedom.
Speaker 2: Our red flag flies nearby, symbolizing renewed passion in the
Speaker 2: presence of love. The sun itself looms on the horizon,
Speaker 2: huge and vibrant, representing the card's main message of clarity
Speaker 2: and illumination. A field of sunflowers in the distance reminds
Speaker 2: you that life blooms once again, and so will you.
Speaker 2: There's a sense of relief in this card and a
Speaker 2: reminder that every dark knight has a new dawn. I
Speaker 2: would suggest that that dark knight was Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah shit yeah.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: The spiritual message says you are feeling healthier inside and
Speaker 2: out after overcoming a period of sadness or illness. Oh Sean,
Speaker 2: you're coming.
Speaker 3: Over that, yep, yep, trying to man.
Speaker 2: Consider pursuing some inner child healing work, perhaps by finding
Speaker 2: a new passion or engaging in a hobby that you
Speaker 2: once loved.
Speaker 3: There we go the I love the Sun card Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the upright key meetings are clarity and optimism, which
Speaker 2: I think that if we were to interpret the Bible
Speaker 2: through Jesus's words, we probably would.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, dude. You know it's definitely a good way
Speaker 3: to live, dude, you know, like love my neighbor and
Speaker 3: you know all of those things.
Speaker 2: Dude, Like I can get down with that. Like I
Speaker 2: feel like I lived that way already, you know, dude,
Speaker 2: Just imagine I was just thinking about this.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Normally we like to do a meditation that that like
Speaker 2: connects with the message of the show, right, Like you
Speaker 2: could imagine doing a meditation that's dedicated to Jesus. Right,
Speaker 2: We've we've done it before. Oh yeah, imagine doing one
Speaker 2: dedicated to fucking Paul.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: Like that right there tells you the difference. Would you
Speaker 2: want to meditate on the messages of Paul?
Speaker 3: No, I'm good, dude, you know I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Good on that. Yeah, you'd be coming out racist, be
Speaker 2: coming out like homophobic, be telling people they need to
Speaker 2: go into slavery.
Speaker 3: You could pray it. Wait all right, you'd.
Speaker 2: Be telling your wife shut up, I'm the man, right, ridiculous,
Speaker 2: So Anyway, Yeah, that was a fun episode. Hopefully you
Speaker 2: guys enjoyed it. There's a lot more that we can
Speaker 2: really cover, and to be honest, whenever Makeup comes on,
Speaker 2: It'll be even more refined and I'm going to have
Speaker 2: even more haymakers to throw and I will absolutely bring
Speaker 2: the context. I will absolutely bring everything that I got.
Speaker 2: I did my best with with with what we brought tonight,
Speaker 2: But there is so much more, dude, And to be honest,
Speaker 2: we might have to turn this into a series.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much into it because.
Speaker 3: I definitely for me, there's so much to learn, you know,
Speaker 3: because a lot of this I don't know a whole
Speaker 3: lot about, you know, as far as the Bible and
Speaker 3: everything else, and so this is very, uh, it's enlightening,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, and for people, I think even
Speaker 3: for people that do know the Bible like way more
Speaker 3: than I do, or even yourself, it's like they, I
Speaker 3: feel like, have the most to gain from an episode
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: So I hope so.
Speaker 4: And look, dude, is like the like the fact that
Speaker 4: thirty years old already grew up in the church and
Speaker 4: all that stuff, and I'm barely hearing about these contradictions,
Speaker 4: even though I've already researched different contradictions about this, and
Speaker 4: then at the Bible, I've been research about different contradictions,
Speaker 4: and the fact that I'm only barely hearing about the
Speaker 4: contradictions between Paul and Jesus. It's like mind blowing. And
Speaker 4: it's crazy how the church just revers Paul and his teachings.
Speaker 4: It's the whole insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know. And people have
Speaker 2: tried to make connections. Is Paul actually a demon?
Speaker 6: Is Paul?
Speaker 2: Actually? This is where it gets interesting because if you remember,
Speaker 2: whenever we did the episodes referring to Damon's right yep,
Speaker 2: the old Roman way as referring to.
Speaker 3: Damon.
Speaker 2: I think that's what was going on. So whenever, so
Speaker 2: whenever you know Paul is receiving this divine message from
Speaker 2: the clouds, I believe that it's highly possible that he
Speaker 2: is referring to his demented higher self mm hmm. And
Speaker 2: and and that's maybe it's possible. And actually some people
Speaker 2: have alluded to this possibility, and this is actually kind
Speaker 2: of crazy, and it checks out. So some people have
Speaker 2: said that who Paul saw in the clouds whenever he
Speaker 2: had this uh, this image right of Jesus was that
Speaker 2: he was actually interpreting Old Testament yahweh oh, which does
Speaker 2: check out. And by the way, if anybody goes and
Speaker 2: reads UH from the Nagamadi. I can't remember if it
Speaker 2: was the Gospel of Thomas or not, but I believe
Speaker 2: in one of those gospels in the Nagamadi they specifically
Speaker 2: call out Paul and they said that he was actually
Speaker 2: conversing with the Demiurge, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: It just makes you, Oh.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I say in regards to the connection
Speaker 4: with the narcissism, the Christian nascissism, and then rereacts to
Speaker 4: the teaching the Thomis and everything. It's how he always
Speaker 4: trying to keep it in line with the old horror
Speaker 4: type of stuff in regards to the Demiurge and Yahweh
Speaker 4: being the false God and Jesus coming from saying what
Speaker 4: did he tell you? He told in one of the
Speaker 4: verses he actually told the Pharisees when he went into
Speaker 4: the church and got mad and it started throwing everything out,
Speaker 4: he was like, you guys worshiped the devil. I come
Speaker 4: from the One True God. Meaning like the one true Source,
Speaker 4: and that's what narcissism is, well, right, thieves God, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but God, the Yahweh and everything. He was like the
Speaker 4: lesser creator God, and Jesus came from the higher true source,
Speaker 4: the unknowable true God, and narcissism and everything like that
Speaker 4: saying that I come from this God. You guys actually
Speaker 4: worshiped the devil, you Pharisees and this and that and
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. So it actually does tie in and
Speaker 4: gets more credit to gnosticism and.
Speaker 3: It makes too actually as far as like if it
Speaker 3: was the Demiurge that you were worshiping, like the Demiurge
Speaker 3: probably would need a blood sacrifice, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: if it is like the lesser God.
Speaker 2: Dude, check this out. So I was like, oh, the
Speaker 2: den of these is this this conversation because again I
Speaker 2: didn't grow up in this. I'm still learning as I go.
Speaker 2: I'm not like a church goer. I wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: punished into reading the Bible every time I was naughty
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But it says, yes, Jesus called
Speaker 2: the temple a den of thieves or robbers when he
Speaker 2: cleansed it directly confronting the corrupt commercial activities that the
Speaker 2: Pharisees and religious leaders allowed, effectively accusing them and the
Speaker 2: system that they upheld of exploiting people for profit under
Speaker 2: the guise of worship, turning God's house of prayer into
Speaker 2: a marketplace. He applied Old Testament scripture to their actions,
Speaker 2: highlighting how their greed and focus on prestige had corrupted
Speaker 2: the temple's sacred purpose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was Paul's people. This is Paul's fucking people, thankly.
Speaker 4: And then the whole thing that Paul is trying to
Speaker 4: do basically basically what you just said, is she's trying
Speaker 4: to get people back into the system of like, Nope,
Speaker 4: you still need us, you still need the church, you
Speaker 4: still need us to stuff and to get you to
Speaker 4: that land of paradise once you die in this and
Speaker 4: that you still need us, instead of people going off
Speaker 4: on their own being like I don't need you anymore.
Speaker 4: I got that connection this and that, and then Paul's
Speaker 4: over here turning it and around like nope, you still
Speaker 4: need us. Still, people giving people the sense of feeling
Speaker 4: that they need to rely on the church and rely
Speaker 4: on them instead of have that connection on their own
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate, dude. It's a it's a bastardize. It's
Speaker 2: an underhanded, sleight of hand way of literally reciprocating Jesus's
Speaker 2: teachings like taking it and turning it upside down one
Speaker 2: eighty bro. And this, I believe this is this is
Speaker 2: just unfortunate. It's unfortunate that it has taken two thousand
Speaker 2: plus years for people to get that because and this
Speaker 2: is more. And I'm sure that there have been people
Speaker 2: that have argued about this, but the masses of people
Speaker 2: who are Christian have never heard that there was any
Speaker 2: kind of contradiction between Paul and Jesus.
Speaker 3: Right, he was just one of the homies, just a guy.
Speaker 2: And actually they whenever they look upon Paul, they look
Speaker 2: upon him like with awe, like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: guy he was the revel later. He literally he was
Speaker 2: so special that he got a message from Jesus on
Speaker 2: the other side, which, by the way, that brings me
Speaker 2: to my last and final point that I just wanted
Speaker 2: to remember. So Jesus dies and he resurrects three days later. Right,
Speaker 2: whenever everybody sees him as his rec as his resurrected self.
Speaker 2: They see him not as a spirit. They see him
Speaker 2: as less and blood human in the flesh. Okay, Paul
Speaker 2: doesn't see that. Paul sees an image a spirit of Jesus. Right, So,
Speaker 2: Jesus didn't show up to Paul in the flesh, never did.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, Of all.
Speaker 2: The things that Jesus could have done whenever he died
Speaker 2: and resurrected three days later, all the people that he
Speaker 2: could have visited, wouldn't it have been a pretty good
Speaker 2: idea to go visit Paul instead of just coming to
Speaker 2: him in a dream. If he was so important, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you have come back and visited Paul after you've
Speaker 2: already died. But no, you want to come to him
Speaker 2: in a dream. It makes no sense. And by the way,
Speaker 2: who was dude? I gotta bring this one up. Whenever
Speaker 2: Paramahansa Yoconanda, what was his shriek de Shwar right, yep,
Speaker 2: his master, his spiritual guru or whatever? Right, he was
Speaker 2: upstairs in the top room in a hotel. Okay, it
Speaker 2: was after Shri Uka Shar or Sri yuk De Schwar's funeral.
Speaker 2: Whenever Paramahansa was up in his hotel room. He sees
Speaker 2: shri yuk de Schwarz just materialize in his room and
Speaker 2: he looks over and he goes, how are you here?
Speaker 2: I was just at your funeral. And he even went
Speaker 2: over and tried to touch him, and it was like,
Speaker 2: are you real? Right touched him, said that he was
Speaker 2: flesh and blood. Okay, so this is not even the
Speaker 2: first time that somebody allegedly resurrects, but whenever they do,
Speaker 2: they come back in the flesh and blood, or at
Speaker 2: least giving off the idea that they are right, at
Speaker 2: least convincing you that they are.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So that's my issue with all of this personally. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Hopefully everybody enjoyed this. Hopefully you got a little bit
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 3: Sean, you enjoyed it right, absolutely fun one. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was that deep. I really did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty damn crazy. So anyhow, look we're gonna be
Speaker 2: doing it again here in a few weeks. You know what,
Speaker 2: I might we might just stick on a topic like this.
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure, but I got I got the
Speaker 2: juices flown with this episode. I got a little excited,
Speaker 2: so we might just try and keep on with this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It's fun. Ride it.
Speaker 2: We're surfing, baby. So with uh, with that being said,
Speaker 2: if Paul and Jesus came here and they taught you anything,
Speaker 2: it's that you don't know what you don't know, so
Speaker 2: I'll just get weird.
Speaker 3: Man. That was great. It's been a while, you know,
Speaker 3: and really kill is really kill it is there. You know,
Speaker 3: when you don't really take it for a week, you know,
Speaker 3: would you probably go back? Oh yes, you really realize
Speaker 3: how much you really needed it.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, yeah, it's crazy. Like so I got to
Speaker 2: this point where I was just you know what, I
Speaker 2: got to feeling that, like just with you know, me personally,
Speaker 2: how my life is going and everything. Right now, I
Speaker 2: just feel whole. Yeah, you know, and maybe it's because
Speaker 2: of the holiday season or maybe everybody's feeling like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just as soon as and as soon as
Speaker 2: I thought the word whole, so I was I'm wearing
Speaker 2: the mindfold, right, okay, and I've I've tried. I was
Speaker 2: trying to keep my eyes open the whole time, right, like,
Speaker 2: because it's just darkness anyway, and but I was trying
Speaker 2: to see like what happens whenever I just like shift
Speaker 2: my gaze and allow myself to go into a trance
Speaker 2: with my eyes open. And as soon as I thought
Speaker 2: that word whole, I'm not even kidding you. It's like
Speaker 2: I saw a light like a like a like an
Speaker 2: angled light coming down like this, just through this one eye, right,
Speaker 2: that's the only eye I could see it through. And
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like a light light. It was almost
Speaker 2: as if like you're seeing light in the dark. And
Speaker 2: but I thought it was really strange that I was
Speaker 2: only able to perceive it with my right eye, because
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the meditation, my left eye was
Speaker 2: hurting me. And I was like, oh, I wonder if
Speaker 2: that's symbolic, you know, like Odin and you know people
Speaker 2: plucking out their eye to receive nosis and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, which was the left eye and the
Speaker 2: left eye is you know, it's for your your logic,
Speaker 2: it's your left brain, right, So you're sacrificing that in
Speaker 2: order to attain some level of gnosis or enlightenment, right.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, oh, I wonder if I
Speaker 2: come to that conclusion that, like if I'm just seeing
Speaker 2: because I've been really trying to interpret the entire world
Speaker 2: every single part of my reality as symbolism, right, like
Speaker 2: everyday instances and just looking at it through symbolism, because
Speaker 2: I believe that, you know, reality speaks through us to
Speaker 2: through symbolism, and sometimes it's clear and obvious, but sometimes
Speaker 2: you got to decode it, you know. And so I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, well, if everything is symbolism, then
Speaker 2: I have to look at my left eye hurting as symbolism.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, well, now that I
Speaker 2: know that, maybe my my hurting of my eye will
Speaker 2: go away. And it did, and then I see the
Speaker 2: light with it. Du It was a weird, weird shit
Speaker 2: happens in meditation and I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh dude. The light is the best when you when
Speaker 3: you have something like that where it's like, well what
Speaker 3: the was that? Yeah, Like it's obvious. It's not like
Speaker 3: a you know, a very subtle thing that happens. It's
Speaker 3: like very obvious almost to the point where it like
Speaker 3: startles you. You know what. That that's the best shit.
Speaker 2: And just imagine like one light shining down onto a
Speaker 2: stage was kind of like an image of light. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a spotlight onto a stage almost mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've definitely had that happen before. That's that's
Speaker 3: the good ship right there. Yeah. It's funny because for me,
Speaker 3: I felt like it was like a mind over matter
Speaker 3: type of thing. Because I was sitting there. I can
Speaker 3: feel myself like having to cough, and I I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna not cough. I ended up
Speaker 3: coughing a couple of times. But it was a practice
Speaker 3: of mind over matter, trying to allow the mind to
Speaker 3: to tell the body what it's gonna do and what
Speaker 3: it's not gonna do. But it was crazy though, because
Speaker 3: I mean, my U my brother in law's room and
Speaker 3: he's got this mirror. It's like, you know, the closet
Speaker 3: doors are just mirrors basically, and so it's like a
Speaker 3: full lengked mirror. But I kind of forgot where I was,
Speaker 3: you know, in the meditation. So when I came back
Speaker 3: out this mirror that's right next to me, it looked
Speaker 3: like somebody was sitting next to me. It was just
Speaker 3: my reflection, you know. But I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: they get startled me. Yeah, but like I just totally
Speaker 3: forgot where I was for a bit when't even thinking
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, yeah, dude, this uh, this cold or
Speaker 3: whatever it is. I got fucking bad, you know, So,
Speaker 3: like that was I hope. I I think I think
Speaker 3: it actually probably worked out pretty good. You know. I
Speaker 3: just kind of said less and just let you kind
Speaker 3: of go off, you know, and do your do your thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, that was h I needed that meditation,
Speaker 3: though I didn't realize because I haven't really been meditating,
Speaker 3: you know, as much as I with traveling and everything else,
Speaker 3: and so I really needed that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, you know, I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of times, whenever we get sick, it's our body's way
Speaker 2: of saying that we didn't receive the hints that we
Speaker 2: needed to take a break. Yeah, and so it's now
Speaker 2: forcing you to take a break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it felt like. It really did.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I mean, you you just got to take
Speaker 2: heed of that and just listen to it. So whenever
Speaker 2: you said because we were we were supposed to be
Speaker 2: shooting this whole week, and you were like, man, I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm getting sick, and I'm like, okay, that's all
Speaker 2: the time that I need. You know that as soon
Speaker 2: as you're starting to get sick, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: well that that means that it's time for a break then, yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was good timing anyway.
Speaker 8: It was the holidays, and you know, for sure, for sure,
Speaker 8: I went home from work that day early, like I
Speaker 8: was only at work for like an hour and thirty
Speaker 8: minutes or something like that, and I went home and
Speaker 8: I went to sleep until like three thirty of the afternoon,
Speaker 8: just knocked out, Like my body was just like you
Speaker 8: need rest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but between working full time and doing this and
Speaker 3: you know, I'm taking care of the kids and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been a lot, you know, so sometimes you got
Speaker 3: to take a little break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Yeah, yeah, just tap out from reality every
Speaker 2: so often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, you know, but this is a
Speaker 3: great episode, dude. I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 3: are going to get something out of it, for sure,
Speaker 3: Like they're going to get exactly what they needed from
Speaker 3: this episode. Hopefully they you know, they're okay with their
Speaker 3: their beliefs being challenged a little bit. I think that's
Speaker 3: where people get held up, you know that Reverend Ike
Speaker 3: was saying, like the religious people are the ones that
Speaker 3: really get they get held up the most, you know,
Speaker 3: because they don't really want to challenge what they already
Speaker 3: tend to believe in and everything else. And so as
Speaker 3: long as they're able to repent, you know, and be
Speaker 3: open to changing their mind and understanding things a little
Speaker 3: bit clearer better or whatever, you know, I think that's
Speaker 3: that's really all that we're trying to get out here.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you think about it. Even Jesus was
Speaker 2: telling the Pharisees to repent. Change your mind, Yeah, have
Speaker 2: a change within your mind. These are the Pharisees that
Speaker 2: were the teachers. These were the ones that was telling
Speaker 2: everybody else what to do and how to live by
Speaker 2: the law and how to live by the commandments and
Speaker 2: you know, how to live like a good Jew and whatnot. Right,
Speaker 2: He's telling them, change your fucking mind, the brightest of
Speaker 2: the bright within the Jewish sector. Change your mind.
Speaker 3: That's all it takes, man, because otherwise you're just kind
Speaker 3: of stuck in that reality that you've been in for
Speaker 3: a long time. That's just in that rut, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's like, why is reality like this? Or why
Speaker 3: is my world this way? It's like, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's the world like sometimes, it's just you. It's the
Speaker 3: way you look at things.
Speaker 5: Paul.
Speaker 2: Paul put everybody under a spell.
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, big time. That's it. That's clear. That's clear.
Speaker 3: I had no idea, dude, I really did. So it's
Speaker 3: where it all starts.
Speaker 2: That's where the churches began, that's where the crusades begin.
Speaker 2: That's whenever division began. Think about it, like, if you
Speaker 2: don't believe what I believe, then I believe that the
Speaker 2: absolute worst thing that could ever happen to anybody is
Speaker 2: going to happen to you.
Speaker 3: Think about the dude. Yep, that's just one of them.
Speaker 3: That's just one form of division that that we know
Speaker 3: up in the world, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 3: all over the place, all different religions, and not even
Speaker 3: just religion, it's just across the board, you know. And
Speaker 3: so once people start to really realize that we are
Speaker 3: just one you know, no, no, these people are God's people,
Speaker 3: or these people are less than or I mean, that's
Speaker 3: just so fucking backwards, dude, And I just don't fucking
Speaker 3: get it. I don't get it. But I wasn't brought
Speaker 3: up in a certain you know, lifestyle or belief system
Speaker 3: that kind of encourage that.
Speaker 2: No, you know, yeah, thankfully, Yeah, we didn't have to
Speaker 2: deconstruct anything because we were never now you know, never yeah, constructed,
Speaker 2: And I'm actually pissed that I didn't bring this up.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say this in the actual episode because
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people actually listened to after
Speaker 2: the meditation, But I wanted to say this because what
Speaker 2: I was alluding to, as far as the the Cathar
Speaker 2: killings and all that kind of stuff, how that wouldn't
Speaker 2: have happened if it wasn't for Paul's teachings. You know
Speaker 2: what else wouldn't have happened, and it couldn't have happened
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for Pause teachings. And I'm not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure, but I think I'm right on this. Okay,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have had Joseph Smith create Mormonism. Oh, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have had Mohammad create Islam, because these are people
Speaker 2: who believe that they receive divine message from God on
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 3: Side, and think about it, you could do it well.
Speaker 2: And even think about it even more like, honestly, the
Speaker 2: true beginning of all of this starts with Moses, because
Speaker 2: Moses was the first one that met God even before Jesus, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, of course that was because of what
Speaker 2: was it like the acacia tree, which is literally the
Speaker 2: most potent plant in that area in in Israel. I
Speaker 2: believe it was Jerusalem somewhere around there. It is the
Speaker 2: most potent plant that has the most d MT on
Speaker 2: that whole plot of land. And it was burning, and
Speaker 2: his lungs tooken like full full of smoke.
Speaker 3: He blasted off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, and he decided, and he decided to turn
Speaker 2: what he learned from that DMT trip into a lesson
Speaker 2: for the world.
Speaker 3: Imagine the maes.
Speaker 2: And think about it even more so too, I mean,
Speaker 2: to be honest my opinion, that's like, I think that
Speaker 2: what was really going on is somebody found the old
Speaker 2: ways and wanted to reinterpret and guide the masses into
Speaker 2: a new way. I think that that's what was going on.
Speaker 2: The more we learn about Egyptian mythology, the more we
Speaker 2: learn about Remember when we talked about the goddess from
Speaker 2: Palestine who had the apple, right, and the apple was
Speaker 2: the initiation to be able to walk through the pillars essentially, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: that was Asherah who was the goddess of Palestine during
Speaker 2: that time.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: That was thousands of years before Moses and the Jews, right,
Speaker 2: they took that story. So I don't even think any
Speaker 2: of this is original. It's just a repackaging of everything.
Speaker 2: It's a rebranding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a new branding, a new interpretation, a new upbringing
Speaker 3: of whatever it is they want to happen. You know,
Speaker 3: you control the masses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just crazy, dude. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, this has caused me to go heavily inside,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, would I receive any of
Speaker 2: these kind of messages so much so that I need
Speaker 2: to tell the entire world and to have a book
Speaker 2: written about it. I'm like, you have to really believe
Speaker 2: that you are someone, you know what I'm saying, Someone
Speaker 2: apart from everyone else, someone better than everybody else.
Speaker 4: I mean, just look at like, for instance, the newest
Speaker 4: religion on the block, Scientology started looking into that recently, Scientology.
Speaker 3: They believe that.
Speaker 4: There's these little orbs of energy that's around you and
Speaker 4: that they are causing you miserable and your ailments and
Speaker 4: all this stuff, and that I'm like, how is that
Speaker 4: any different from a fucking demon Christianity and all that shit.
Speaker 4: You know, it didn't give a different name, different fancy
Speaker 4: little name and all this this, and then it's just
Speaker 4: the repackaging it. You know, that's the newest religion on
Speaker 4: the block, basically, and they just took all that mythology
Speaker 4: in this and then change the names this here and there,
Speaker 4: and yeah, look into that, the scientology and all that shit,
Speaker 4: and it's just insane how that's just repackaged different names,
Speaker 4: this and that. But it's the same concept.
Speaker 2: All of it. All of it is repackaged. Even what's
Speaker 2: going on right now. You said scientology was the newest
Speaker 2: one on the block. How about the absolute newest one
Speaker 2: on the block, which is called spiralism. Have you heard
Speaker 2: of this, dude? These people are spiralism. Yes, it is
Speaker 2: a relatively new thing in which people are worshiping AI
Speaker 2: to where they are receiving divine revelation and prophecy through
Speaker 2: their god called chat gp fucking tea.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. People were legiting about this being a
Speaker 3: thing that people were gonna start doing. I didn't really
Speaker 3: take any of that seriously. I'm for sure, no way,
Speaker 3: you know, but people are gonna do what they what
Speaker 3: they do, you know, Dune.
Speaker 2: If it's like humans are bound like lower and I'll
Speaker 2: just say it fucking lower level humans are worried about
Speaker 2: like few things in their life. I want to eat,
Speaker 2: I want to drink, I want to sleep, I want
Speaker 2: to fuck, and I want to worship, right, Like those
Speaker 2: are the main things that people are worried about. And
Speaker 2: whenever I say worship, I just mean like anything spiritual
Speaker 2: really just looking for some kind of answer in that way.
Speaker 2: And I think, well, you can't eat AI, you can't
Speaker 2: sleep on AI, you can't drink AI, can't fuck AI. Well,
Speaker 2: nowadays I think you might be able to get it's
Speaker 2: getting closer, but you can worship it, you know. And
Speaker 2: so I don't know, dude, if you can find a way,
Speaker 2: you find a way.
Speaker 3: You know. That's like say, just just go inWORD, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. That's pretty pretty reliable, I think.
Speaker 3: You know, like you see where the pain is, or
Speaker 3: you see where the obstacles are, you see the things
Speaker 3: that triggered you, You see that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like it's all in there. You know, you go on
Speaker 3: in the world and and the world will will mirror
Speaker 3: that back to you. It'll let you know you know,
Speaker 3: what's what's ailing you, what's bothering you about what you
Speaker 3: experience and so like, it's all right there.
Speaker 2: Dude, as soon as you start worshiping and I and
Speaker 2: I don't mean this in a selfish kind of way,
Speaker 2: so hopefully nobody doesn't take this way. If you worship
Speaker 2: anything outside yourself, you're doing it wrong. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: to worship yourself. What I'm saying is is exactly what
Speaker 2: even the Egyptians were saying back in the day whenever
Speaker 2: they inscribed in one of the temple pyramids, and in
Speaker 2: one of the pyramids, one of the inscriptions was, when
Speaker 2: you know thyself, you will know all the gods, dude,
Speaker 2: because it's all in here. It's not out there. It's
Speaker 2: not in the clouds, it's not in the sky, it's
Speaker 2: not sitting on Pluto. You know, Like it's all you're
Speaker 2: that's that's in you.
Speaker 3: You think about everybody, You'll get it, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you think about every emotion that you everything
Speaker 2: that you have ever experienced. You've experienced it internally, you
Speaker 2: have felt it internally, you thought about it internally, you
Speaker 2: manifested the emotions from that thing internally. I was just
Speaker 2: having this conversation actually because we went on a like
Speaker 2: from where am I so we're at my sister's house.
Speaker 2: And from where my sister lives is like an hour
Speaker 2: away from New Orleans. So we went to go to
Speaker 2: New Orleans today, and so my sister was in the car,
Speaker 2: both my parents and all the kids and everybody was
Speaker 2: in the car, and I was trying to explain to them, essentially, like,
Speaker 2: you know, my view of the world in a sense.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I always try and tell
Speaker 2: this to everybody, really, like the easiest way for me
Speaker 2: to try to explain it is, all right, whenever you're
Speaker 2: inside a dream, every single person and every single thing
Speaker 2: that is happening in that dream is nothing more than
Speaker 2: just a projection of yourself. There is no external people
Speaker 2: that is in that dream. Your your grandma isn't actually
Speaker 2: visiting you. I mean, you might be, I don't know,
Speaker 2: we don't know what we don't know, but let's just
Speaker 2: say that it's all just a projection of yourself. If
Speaker 2: that's what's going on within a dream, what do you
Speaker 2: think this reality is?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And I'm not even saying that we're the ones that
Speaker 2: are projecting it, but what if the mind that was
Speaker 2: creating that dream is in side a more infinite mind
Speaker 2: that is creating this reality.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean that's just you're just talking
Speaker 3: about consciousness itself.
Speaker 2: I think that's it, just dreaming itself into existence.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yeah like it.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, Doug said, fucking Doug, Doug goes keep that
Speaker 2: Christian echo chamber going. Hey, look if if if the
Speaker 2: Bible was full of nothing but Jesus talk, you can
Speaker 2: call me a Christian. I hain't got nothing against what
Speaker 2: Jesus was trying to say.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're living that way and you're actually
Speaker 3: doing those things.
Speaker 2: Call me a follower of Jesus, a follower of Buddha,
Speaker 2: a follower of you know, Shriek Deschar yep, yep, all
Speaker 2: the great, all the great teachers of the day.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, I'm sure this is going to ruffle some feathers,
Speaker 2: but hopefully it does. That's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Is uncomfortable, it is.
Speaker 2: It's not fun sometimes, it is not all the time always.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, all right, well, let's beat it and we will. Actually,
Speaker 2: I think the next Life show is gonna be on
Speaker 2: Friday again. All right, we'll talk about it. I'm not
Speaker 2: entirely sure about that I'm not for sure about that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it, but it's either gonna be probably
Speaker 2: Thursday or Friday next week.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, the one we love you, we'll see on.
Speaker 3: The flip side.
Speaker 1: Imagine what would it happened if we had in the
Speaker 1: tract and the magic we had back when we couldn't fathom,
Speaker 1: Like it's a fantasy, not with the vanity.
Speaker 6: Not the way it was back then.
Speaker 1: So I grabbed my pan and write it down like
Speaker 1: a scripture. Missed the miss making hits for the Misfits.
Speaker 1: The show with You Don't Know What you Don't Know?
Speaker 1: When it's on again with Shawn and Johnathan
Speaker 3: H