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Speaker 3: You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking
Speaker 3: killers in true crime history and the authors that have
Speaker 3: written about them. Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK. Every
Speaker 3: week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and
Speaker 3: infamous killers in true crime history, True Murder with your host,
Speaker 3: journalist and author Dan Zupansky. Good evening, true crime fans,
Speaker 3: This is your host, Dan Zupanski, for the program True Murder,
Speaker 3: the most shocking killers in true crime history and the
Speaker 3: authors that have written about them. Today, We're going to
Speaker 3: have a special program because I'm going to be appearing
Speaker 3: on crime Beat on the Artist's First Radio Network with
Speaker 3: hosts Will Herb and true crime bestselling author Ron Chepsik,
Speaker 3: who has appeared on the program. The title of the
Speaker 3: program is The Serial Killer and where we'll be discussing
Speaker 3: my book Trophy Kill, The Shall We Dance Murder, and
Speaker 3: the Mind of the serial Killer. On the eve of
Speaker 3: the Crime Beat program, I hope that I hope you
Speaker 3: will tune in for this will be the very first
Speaker 3: time that I will be reading excerpts of Sydney Tearhuse's
Speaker 3: incredibly shocking letters that specifically pertain to serial murder. This
Speaker 3: is not for the faint of heart. These letters were
Speaker 3: the crucial evidence at trial and are the most shocking
Speaker 3: revelations ever written. I guarantee it. So if you're still
Speaker 3: interested in listening and want to stay tuned, please brace yourself.
Speaker 3: This episode is called The Serial Killer, Sydney Tear Hues
Speaker 3: and Trophy Kill. First off, I just want to tell
Speaker 3: you about upcoming shows. Next week, I'm going to have
Speaker 3: an encore performance, so I think it's appropriate. The Casey
Speaker 3: Anthony case and Kaylee Anthony, the victim obviously has garnered
Speaker 3: incredible attention in America and throughout the world. I, however,
Speaker 3: have not done many programs, but if people are fans
Speaker 3: of this program, they'll know that I interviewed Diane Fanning,
Speaker 3: one of the best true crime writers in America today,
Speaker 3: and she had written a book previous to this trial,
Speaker 3: which is very unusual. As most true crime fans know,
Speaker 3: most books do not come out till after the trial
Speaker 3: has been concluded. Saint Martin's press decided felt it necessary
Speaker 3: or worthy and warranted writing a book before the trial
Speaker 3: even occurred. Now, for those that say, well, how could
Speaker 3: you write a book without the trial occurring? You can
Speaker 3: get the goods without the hysteria of CNN and Nancy
Speaker 3: Grace and some of these people, and speculation, the endless
Speaker 3: speculation of what will happen, and legal anlumly say this,
Speaker 3: and legal analysts say that at least Diane, Diane Fanning
Speaker 3: has written a book I believe the definitive book regardless
Speaker 3: of the trial, because it does tell the story without
Speaker 3: the bias and the speculation, and without the hysterics and
Speaker 3: ranting and raving about what such a bad mother she was.
Speaker 3: So it comes from a seasoned journalist, a true crime
Speaker 3: best selling author, and a fine author at that, Diane Fanning.
Speaker 3: And next week we'll have an encore performance of Mummies
Speaker 3: Girl from last October twenty ten, and so we will
Speaker 3: tune in for that encore performance on Core program. After
Speaker 3: that we are going to have our Barry Flowers. Is
Speaker 3: the first time we've had Detroit Warren journalist, noted award
Speaker 3: winning journalist and noted ripperologist are Barry Flowers with his
Speaker 3: incredible book Slave Masters, which was originally released in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six and I guess did so well that they
Speaker 3: re released it again ebook form. So anyway, we're going
Speaker 3: to be talking about that and get an opportunity to
Speaker 3: speak with our Berry Flowers. If you do get a
Speaker 3: chance look at his vast incredible background of varied stories
Speaker 3: and his journalism and also his books that he's written,
Speaker 3: both fictional and true crime and nonfiction. After that, we
Speaker 3: have the pleasure of having Anthony di Stefano back onto
Speaker 3: the program. He has written King of the Godfathers, and
Speaker 3: we interviewed him regarding that incredible book about the mob
Speaker 3: New York, New York City mob American mobsters he has.
Speaker 3: He's another noted journalist with incredible true crime pedigree and background,
Speaker 3: and we're going to be talking about his latest book
Speaker 3: called Mob Killer. And I'll just tell you, I'll give
Speaker 3: you a little bit on the Mob Killer. He dissolved
Speaker 3: the bodies of some of his victims and acid and
Speaker 3: poured them down the sewer. He hung grizzly souvenirs on
Speaker 3: nails in his junkyard. Charles Carneglia was a stone cold
Speaker 3: killer who fell in with the bloodthirsty John Gaudy crew.
Speaker 3: As the infamous crime family rose to power with their
Speaker 3: murderous trail of sex, jealousy, greed and revenge, Carnelagia rose
Speaker 3: with them. This is the horror firing story of a
Speaker 3: misfit who fit perfectly into the New York mafia. In
Speaker 3: a horror harrowing journey inside a ruthless criminal underworld, Pulitzer
Speaker 3: Prize winning reporter Anthony M. Di Stefano chronicles one man's
Speaker 3: life in a world of depraved acts of violence and
Speaker 3: the horrors that went with being a member of the
Speaker 3: Gambino family. This has been called thrilling American Crime Writing
Speaker 3: by Jimmy Breslin. This is not a program to be missed.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit out of the norm for me
Speaker 3: to do mob stories, but when you have the caliber
Speaker 3: of journalists, investigative journalist and true crime author like Anthony M. DiStefano,
Speaker 3: you should tune in because it's very much I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people separate. I mean, true crime obviously
Speaker 3: has stories about bikers and mobsters, gang members, but in
Speaker 3: this particular case, we're looking at what's normally covered on
Speaker 3: this program, psychopathic killers and the very worst of the
Speaker 3: psychopathic killers. So that's keeping in with that tradition. Now,
Speaker 3: so we're going to talk about trophy kill. And for
Speaker 3: those that routinely listen to the program, they've probably heard
Speaker 3: me talk for an hour about trophy kill. But on
Speaker 3: the eve of this program. And why it's important I
Speaker 3: think that we're mentioned serial killer is for me to
Speaker 3: explain this completely. Let me do that with this thing
Speaker 3: that I've written myself concerning that, and I title it,
Speaker 3: Who else did Sidney Tearhuse Murder? In my nonfiction book
Speaker 3: Trophy Kill the Shall We Dance?
Speaker 4: Murder? For Ificic in Publishing Toronto, I refer to the
Speaker 4: notorious murderer Sidney Teerhues as a serial killer, despite tear
Speaker 4: Huse only being convicted of one murder. Now, why would
Speaker 4: I dan Zapawski accuse tear Huse of serial murder? Now?
Speaker 4: The reason I have stated Sidney Teerhues is a serial
Speaker 4: killer is because I am confident, very confident, incredibly confident
Speaker 4: that he has at least two or more victims, and
Speaker 4: that Tearhusse would readily admit as much if questioned properly.
Speaker 4: Now you may say, well, what do you mean by
Speaker 4: question properly? And who in your mind? Who in my
Speaker 4: mind would be able to elicit that type of incredible
Speaker 4: confession from this killer from the killer himself. Now, I
Speaker 4: believe that if someone recognized as a serial killer expert
Speaker 4: or noted criminal profiler was to express an interest alone
Speaker 4: in interviewing him extensively, then I believe that Sidney Tearhuse
Speaker 4: would definitely reveal to that person information about the other
Speaker 4: murders he has committed. Now why that? Why believe that
Speaker 4: is because Sidney Tearhuse has intimated, insinuated, and alluded to
Speaker 4: other murders and has written, for example, this is page
Speaker 4: seventy three and seventy four. When you kill someone, you
Speaker 4: experienced a frenzy, a vehemence for what cannot be changed. However,
Speaker 4: sometimes when a body dies, it twitches and makes noise.
Speaker 4: When you cut off a human arm or leg, then
Speaker 4: hold it and admire it, you are overwhelmed with this
Speaker 4: ideology that the victim was sacrificed for the right reasons.
Speaker 4: Do you think I have the characteristics of a serial killer? Now?
Speaker 4: These are quotes from the killer himself, Tearhuse in his actions,
Speaker 4: his own words, and his characteristics and all the characteristics
Speaker 4: surrounding the murder post murder activities which include necrophilia and
Speaker 4: organ removal and disposal. And then the communication with media
Speaker 4: and myself has provided clear evidence I believe of Sidney
Speaker 4: ture Hughes as a serial killer based on the established
Speaker 4: serial killer criminal profile. Now, Sidney ture Hues is clearly
Speaker 4: psychopathic and he came forward to police to direct them
Speaker 4: to his murder horror spectacle when he seized upon a
Speaker 4: unique opportunity in which he could achieve the infamy he
Speaker 4: so desperately wanted now. Once he realized that he was
Speaker 4: in possession of Susan Sarandon's stolen gold necklace, he then
Speaker 4: decided that he would end his reign of horror with
Speaker 4: a murder so unforgettable that he would be infamous forever.
Speaker 4: His murder horror spectacle did get noticed because of the
Speaker 4: Hollywood connection, and stories abounded through throughout the world, especially
Speaker 4: on celebrity sites. Terrhusse had granted the Winnipeg Son in
Speaker 4: exclusive interviews immediately after he was arrested, and based on
Speaker 4: his statements during those interviews, he was clearly psychopathic and
Speaker 4: definitely wanted to talk. By revealing that he had been
Speaker 4: questioned about similar murders that had occurred in Vancouver and
Speaker 4: Alberta in about the fourteen years he had lived out there,
Speaker 4: he has purposely led myself and other people anyone who
Speaker 4: would read these letters to believe that he likely has
Speaker 4: killed before in Vancouver and Alberta. Now I will read
Speaker 4: that letter from you and I will explain this though
Speaker 4: that of course, what he talks about in the letter
Speaker 4: is that he was questioning about similar murders that occurred
Speaker 4: in Edmonton and Alberta. However, I did the research, and
Speaker 4: of course we're going to talk about the characteristics of
Speaker 4: this murder. And just for those who have never who
Speaker 4: have not heard past programs, the Sidney Tierhuse directed police
Speaker 4: to this murder horror spectacle. And what do I mean
Speaker 4: with a murder horror spectacle? And why am I calling it? That?
Speaker 4: Is because the body was dismembered in eight pieces. It
Speaker 4: was posed and displayed for shock value. And when I
Speaker 4: say the body was crudely reassembled for shock value, what
Speaker 4: I mean is that the body was sawn in half.
Speaker 4: The body the victim was decapitated. So, for example, Sidney
Speaker 4: tier hues take took that decapitated head and put it
Speaker 4: back on the severed windpipe and neck bone. Pardon me,
Speaker 4: but he put that head back where the head would
Speaker 4: have been for shock value. He had removed one of
Speaker 4: the eyes, he had punctured the other eye, he had
Speaker 4: stabbed the chest sixty eight times in an almost perfect
Speaker 4: symmetrical pattern, not a random pattern. He had disarticulated the
Speaker 4: arms at the knee, at the elbows, and the legs
Speaker 4: at the knees, disarticulated, not just randomly savagely cut. He
Speaker 4: had disarticulated very much, very carefully, very much, as the
Speaker 4: pathologist said at the trial, surgical precision, dexterity, and obviously
Speaker 4: some knowledge or very clear knowledge of anatomy and also
Speaker 4: how to conduct an autopsy. He had careful, carefully dissected
Speaker 4: one of the arms. He had And here is the
Speaker 4: thing that really sets this crime, this case, this killer,
Speaker 4: apart from all of the other killers that you may
Speaker 4: have read about and been shocked by their actions, is
Speaker 4: that he had sliced the chest cavity open, washed the
Speaker 4: body again, posed and displayed this body. He had castrated
Speaker 4: the victim, so he put where the genitals would be.
Speaker 4: He put those back where they might be again, posed
Speaker 4: and displayed for that one unfortunate police officer to find
Speaker 4: in that room, while the killer stood out in the
Speaker 4: hallway and got to again experience the thrill and the
Speaker 4: shock that he was trying to convey and to perpetrate this.
Speaker 4: He had that ability to be able to stand out
Speaker 4: in the hallway and experience the horror again for someone else.
Speaker 4: But of course that's not enough. They need to relive
Speaker 4: it and reiterate and again recount, relive and repeat what
Speaker 4: they have done to further shock the world. Now, with
Speaker 4: the all of the organs missing, every single solitary thing
Speaker 4: that would have been in a chess cavity was removed. Now,
Speaker 4: for those people that don't know, this would be called
Speaker 4: a ripper. But when I looked at calling this person
Speaker 4: the ripper, I understood if people didn't understand what the
Speaker 4: ripper term actually meant. And the ripper term refers to
Speaker 4: of course, Jack the Ripper, and why he was called
Speaker 4: the ripper is not only did he use the knife,
Speaker 4: but it actually specifically refers to the removal of the organs.
Speaker 4: So Jack the Ripper's characteristic, his mo his signature, I
Speaker 4: would say, was to remove those organs, take them outside
Speaker 4: of the body. And at one point, as he escalated
Speaker 4: in his crimes, he had sent the kidney, part of
Speaker 4: the kidney or half of the kidney to police authorities
Speaker 4: and a note identifying himself. So clearly these psychopathic serial
Speaker 4: killers wanting the press and media attention and to relive
Speaker 4: their crimes and to taunt the police and the victims.
Speaker 4: Isn't a new phenomena. That's eighteen seventy and there have
Speaker 4: been other cases as well. Of course, Jack the Ripper
Speaker 4: is just the most famous, and part of that is
Speaker 4: that he was never ever caught, and so with Sidney Teerhues,
Speaker 4: he had created this horror spectacle about where this and
Speaker 4: no one has created this level of horror spectacle for
Speaker 4: police to find. And then he granted interviews with the media.
Speaker 4: I recognized he wanted to talk, and of course then
Speaker 4: I became involved, corresponded with the killer to write this book,
Speaker 4: and at some point after nine months of correspondence about
Speaker 4: which included all of his background and all of his
Speaker 4: exploits very interesting, quite intelligent killer, quite articulate, but very
Speaker 4: very psychopathic and narcissistic, then I then asked him for
Speaker 4: details in the last three months of correspondence, in details
Speaker 4: specifically about the murder that he claimed to not remember.
Speaker 4: And for those in the US, we have a different
Speaker 4: system that it has evolved, even though our legal system
Speaker 4: is based on the British system as many Australia and England.
Speaker 4: Obviously in America. In Canada we should have similar systems,
Speaker 4: and we do for example. But however, in this particular case,
Speaker 4: why one of the reasons why it became involved, and
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why it was even more mortified
Speaker 4: by this killer and his incredible murder is that he
Speaker 4: had the distinct possibility that the distinct chance of actually
Speaker 4: having a murder reduced to manslaughter because he said, because
Speaker 4: he said, he claimed that he couldn't remember, and that
Speaker 4: he claimed to be intoxicated and claimed to have blacked out.
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Speaker 4: believe it or not, that he wasn't compaired alcohol. So
Speaker 4: they spent an incredible inordinate amount of time going through
Speaker 4: that at trial. Now, the correspondence that I got in
Speaker 4: the last three months clearly spoke about details of when
Speaker 4: the murder occurred, apparently at six point twenty. All the details,
Speaker 4: every single horrifying, graphic, disturbing, chilling detail this person included,
Speaker 4: and I let him say these disgusting and incredible things
Speaker 4: because it was evidence. Now, anybody that reads the book.
Speaker 4: It looks at this case will realize the extent of
Speaker 4: what he had said in terms of damning incriminating evidence
Speaker 4: against himself. They used the letters and the diagrams which
Speaker 4: referred that included necrophilia, the time of death, the drawings
Speaker 4: are just incredible and shocking, and those letters the correspondence
Speaker 4: referred to the murder itself, the disposal of the internal organs,
Speaker 4: the dismemberment, the necrophilia, the entire experience from the killer,
Speaker 4: and the drawings that corresponded with what he had done
Speaker 4: and his fantasies and the victim as a human trophy.
Speaker 4: And as he had said, the dismembered creation was his
Speaker 4: ultimate work of art, and he fashions himself as an artist.
Speaker 4: And while he is in custody now he is reverted
Speaker 4: back to his artistic leanings and his painting Aboriginal themed paintings. However,
Speaker 4: he very much interesting that the son of Sam law
Speaker 4: so that killers would specifically not be able to profit
Speaker 4: from the Nord riot of crime. It is about a
Speaker 4: thirty or thirty five year old law that was enacted
Speaker 4: so that Sam Berkowitz and other son of Sam Sam
Speaker 4: Burkowitz and other killers of that ilk would not be
Speaker 4: able to profit often a notoriety of their crimes. Now,
Speaker 4: what does that mean? While thirty five years later we
Speaker 4: had still not drafted a law to be able to
Speaker 4: deal with that potential issue. And of course, with this
Speaker 4: psychopathic killer trying to taunt police, all of society, enacting
Speaker 4: his revenge on his adopted family and all of society,
Speaker 4: certainly this person, more so than anyone you've ever seen,
Speaker 4: wanted to make sure that he was known for what
Speaker 4: he had done. So Sidney Tierhuse has achieved the infamy
Speaker 4: he wants to a certain extent. But I believe, I
Speaker 4: really do believe that, despite only having this murder, that
Speaker 4: he is a serial killer based on the established killer
Speaker 4: criminal profile. Now, I won't go into that criminal profile,
Speaker 4: but I will read something from as I just quoted
Speaker 4: a little bit. I will just read some of what
Speaker 4: he has said. So, did you get a clear idea
Speaker 4: of why I believe he's a serial killer? Besides the
Speaker 4: select quotes that I've made, And so I will read
Speaker 4: what's in the two chapters that concern Sydney's letters Specifically.
Speaker 4: There are some letters that are spread throughout the entire book,
Speaker 4: but the most graphic and horrific, and letters that were
Speaker 4: specifically utilized at the trial are contained in chapter nine
Speaker 4: and to a lesser extent, chapter eight. In chapter nine,
Speaker 4: I title this chapter the Dreaded Letters, and so these
Speaker 4: are the most important letters to the entire story and
Speaker 4: also the most important letters in the trial itself. Now
Speaker 4: I will just read the first letter, and I've written
Speaker 4: it so that you the information is revealed in the
Speaker 4: proper order. Now this is from October six, two thousand
Speaker 4: and four, and I will read from his letter. I
Speaker 4: still need a list of offshore banks in the Bahamas
Speaker 4: that are not affiliated with the United States or Canada.
Speaker 4: I will have it set up as the check will
Speaker 4: go directly into the offshore account. If you do this
Speaker 4: appearance on CGOB with Charles Adler, I will give you
Speaker 4: an interview right after the preliminary hearing. If Adler asks
Speaker 4: you where you've got your information, just say a reliable source.
Speaker 4: Don't mention any names. As for this book titled Drunken Defense,
Speaker 4: it's not eye catching. I want something more dramatic, like
Speaker 4: human trophy or Room three h nine or murder at
Speaker 4: six twenty pm the time of Green's death or kill
Speaker 4: time or use Green's last words, please don't kill me, Typer,
Speaker 4: write up what you have so far in the first
Speaker 4: chapter and send it to me. I need to get
Speaker 4: a sense of your style of writing. I'll prof rate it,
Speaker 4: make any necessary adjustments, and send it back to you.
Speaker 4: Send it in a large brown envelope, along with another
Speaker 4: brown envelope inside with your return address. As for the
Speaker 4: book titled Trophy Kill, it sounds perfect except for the
Speaker 4: subtitle the Sydney teerhu story, I feel trophy Kill Murder
Speaker 4: in three oh nine would sound better, or trophy Kill
Speaker 4: the Murder of Robin Green, or even something a little
Speaker 4: more shocking, trophy kill Slaughterhouse at the Elbert. I'm even
Speaker 4: sure if you ask permission from Hollywood, you could call
Speaker 4: it trophy kill the shall we Dance Murder? It's what
Speaker 4: Richard Gear and Sarandon called it. Perhaps on the cover
Speaker 4: we could have a photo of me greened in the
Speaker 4: necklace and the title, so I guess they could say this.
Speaker 4: I will read a little bit more from the Sidney
Speaker 4: teerhuse he's talking about Dennis Nielsen, And for those people
Speaker 4: that don't know, Dennis Nielson is an infamous killer, very
Speaker 4: much like Jeffrey Dahmer from Britain, and this person felt
Speaker 4: very necessary to be able to talk about his crimes.
Speaker 4: He was also a homosexual chef, very much like Sydney
Speaker 4: and killed his victims were homosexuals, and very much like
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer, he had another added even more bizarre element
Speaker 4: to his crimes that he wanted to hang around or
Speaker 4: have his victims hang around, even though they were dead.
Speaker 4: So here's another letter. This is January twelfth, two thousand
Speaker 4: and five. You feel my situation is shockingly similar to
Speaker 4: the likes of Dennis Nilsen. I find it interesting. Do
Speaker 4: you think Nielsen had any influence? I hadn't really thought
Speaker 4: about it that way. The only time I ever entertained
Speaker 4: the thought of Dahmer or Nielsen was when I sliced
Speaker 4: open greams abd them in, seeing the intricate design and
Speaker 4: coil of the transparent intestines. Only after playing with them
Speaker 4: I did I want to experience what Dahmer Nielsen did
Speaker 4: by inserting my arm deep inside Green's chest cavity and
Speaker 4: exploring his insides. What fascinated me about Dennis was his
Speaker 4: first male victim and the skinhead I like to find
Speaker 4: out more about that. I would like to write to him.
Speaker 4: You wanted a list of missing organs, lungs, part of
Speaker 4: the esophagus, epiglottis, digestive track, heart spleen, stomach, liver, pancreas, arota, aorta,
Speaker 4: one of the eyes, the other was punctured. They said
Speaker 4: there was little to no blood. There was no blood
Speaker 4: to be found in Green's carcass. Green wasn't my ideal candidate.
Speaker 4: I could have picked anyone I was looking for gay sex.
Speaker 4: This would have been no different from any other barroom
Speaker 4: sex encounter in a gay lifestyle. You meet someone, have sex,
Speaker 4: and go your merry way. So that's another letter from
Speaker 4: Sidney Tierhus. I will continue to read a little bit.
Speaker 4: This is January third, two thousand and five. We have
Speaker 4: covered a lot. Some of your questions I can't answer
Speaker 4: simply because certain things haven't even crossed my mind. Green
Speaker 4: fulfilled my sexual needs. What makes it even more gratifying
Speaker 4: is that this was Green's last sexual experience before his death.
Speaker 4: There's nothing more beautiful knowing Green had died sexually satisfied.
Speaker 4: When Green took off his underwear and tossed him on
Speaker 4: the floor, it would be his. It would be that
Speaker 4: for the last time. I was the last person to
Speaker 4: have sex with Green. Little did Green know he'd be
Speaker 4: dead in an hour and a half. They would no
Speaker 4: longer exist. Sex with Green's dead body was intoxicating. The
Speaker 4: silence remembered as I drove myself in and out of
Speaker 4: them the best sex I ever had. I can vaguely
Speaker 4: analyze the complexity of my thoughts at that tender moment.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the sex so much because he was dead.
Speaker 4: Fucking Green like a locomotive, electrified me into a divine
Speaker 4: sexual vulgarity. When you kill someone, you experience a frenzy,
Speaker 4: a vehemence for what cannot be changed. The triumphs and
Speaker 4: trophy Green's physical body had to offer when I carved
Speaker 4: him up was like working like was like working on
Speaker 4: him like a tramp leol. Having sex with a dead
Speaker 4: body was more powerful than anything you can fathom. The
Speaker 4: poetry of Green's viscera, the inexplicable beauty of his intestines
Speaker 4: elaborately coiled and folded their rich aroma of fresh human meat.
Speaker 4: The sound of stainless steel cutting into bone, ripping out
Speaker 4: the lungs with my bare hands, when Green was sawed
Speaker 4: in half, the shreds of flesh hung from his ribbed
Speaker 4: cage like Coless Frond, randomly stabbing his corpse, butchering him
Speaker 4: for the mere pleasure of it, because I can. When
Speaker 4: you cut off a human armor leg and then hold
Speaker 4: it and admire it, you were overwhelmed with this ideology
Speaker 4: that the victim was ultimately sacrificed for the right reasons.
Speaker 4: When I butchered Green's body, watching the steel blade enter
Speaker 4: the body and the sensation of pulling it out again,
Speaker 4: and was beyond any moral connection. I treated the corpse
Speaker 4: like a side of beef, like Green was a dead animal,
Speaker 4: and portioned him like a giant turkey, cutting off the
Speaker 4: arms and legs, guiding him scooping out the organs. I
Speaker 4: took my time. I made an evening of it, slowly
Speaker 4: dismembering Green's body, taking a break every now and then
Speaker 4: to admire my culinary and meet. After Green had been dismembered,
Speaker 4: I held open the giant cut in his abdomen and
Speaker 4: took a nice, deep breath of his empty chest cavity.
Speaker 4: It was a sense of accomplishment. His flesh was starting
Speaker 4: to turn gray, his forearms were cold. The fingertips turned
Speaker 4: blue black under the nails. What sort of haunts me
Speaker 4: is that after I had Green on the bathroom floor
Speaker 4: and began to slice into his neck, I think he
Speaker 4: was still alive. There was a deep groan and a
Speaker 4: deep a deep ahe and a groan. However, sometimes when
Speaker 4: a body dies, it twitches and makes noise. Even if
Speaker 4: he was a live I probably would have held him
Speaker 4: down and continued to chop his head off. What was
Speaker 4: really sexually gratifying was having Green's penis on my pillow
Speaker 4: beside my face while I masturbated. What a beautiful sight,
Speaker 4: knowing his body was cut to pieces in the next room. Anyway,
Speaker 4: do you feel compassion for Green? Do you think what
Speaker 4: I did to Green's body was an act of love
Speaker 4: for him in a macabre manner? Or was it lust
Speaker 4: for a dead body? Would you consider what I did
Speaker 4: to Green's corpse a moral's crime according to the law.
Speaker 4: After Green died legally he was no longer a person.
Speaker 4: Would it be safe to say I'm guilty of doing
Speaker 4: indignities to a corpse? Incredible stuff, I will continue. I
Speaker 4: don't think I have told you anything about the actual
Speaker 4: last seconds of Green's life, the actual murder, the stabbing.
Speaker 4: Have I at this point, I wouldn't have anything to
Speaker 4: say to Green's parents. Why the dissection of certain body parts.
Speaker 4: I don't think I was finished. Hadn't gotten a chance
Speaker 4: to smash Green's skull and dissect his brain or di
Speaker 4: sect the hands or feet. Do inmates treat me like
Speaker 4: a celebrity. No, I don't get much fanfare. I'm Yesterday's news.
Speaker 4: One inmate, in particular, Berri Antal, the American bank robber,
Speaker 4: found the gruesome details of Green's demise entertaining, as he said,
Speaker 4: as he smiled in his American accent, you're one sick
Speaker 4: and that I reminded him of Ted Bundy. What made
Speaker 4: it erotic or sexy was the dead weight of his body,
Speaker 4: the sound of friction, Green's flesh being dragged over the
Speaker 4: carpet to weigh, his head nodded from side to side,
Speaker 4: his arms dragging over his shoulders and bumping into things.
Speaker 4: When I masturbate at night, my sexual fanities fantasies vary.
Speaker 4: When a fantasize about Green, it's when I'm sexying as
Speaker 4: headless corpse after he's decapitated. That's all I like to
Speaker 4: remember Green as a naked, headless corpse on my bathroom
Speaker 4: floor before his dismemberment, disembowlment, and emasculation. You seemed to
Speaker 4: be focused on the missing internal organs. So here's a
Speaker 4: little quiz. Only one of these statements are true. What
Speaker 4: did I do with Robin Green's internal organs? Were they
Speaker 4: a flush down the toilet? B? Did I sell them
Speaker 4: the George for fifty dollars? C? Did I eat them
Speaker 4: in a cannibalistic ritual? D? Were they tossed in a
Speaker 4: BFI dumpster near Health Sciences Center? E? Were some tossed
Speaker 4: in a vacant lot and a dumpster near Health Science Center?
Speaker 4: Only one of these statements is true. What do you
Speaker 4: personally think I did with Green's organs? Be realistic? Number two?
Speaker 4: Green's murder is similar to who a Dahmer B Zodiac
Speaker 4: Killer CE, John Wayne Gacy, D Dennis Nilsen. Three Do
Speaker 4: you think I have the characteristics of a serial killer? Yes?
Speaker 4: Or no? Do you think I enjoyed the entire event,
Speaker 4: the murder, stabbing, death of Green and the necrophilia? And
Speaker 4: does this amendment from beginning to end? Yes? No, not sure?
Speaker 4: And one other letter the case, This case is more
Speaker 4: sensational than you can comprehend. If we go to trial,
Speaker 4: I have news that will shock the world. There is
Speaker 4: a lot that nobody knows of went on those early
Speaker 4: morning hours of July second, two thousand and three. Now
Speaker 4: I want to explain things something because I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if people know maybe why it's important that I've included
Speaker 4: this information because as some people have called this true
Speaker 4: crime book reviews Burobar from True Crime Uncensored, they've used
Speaker 4: the word disgusting. Now, I really would have a hard
Speaker 4: time trying to sell a book that it can be
Speaker 4: deemed disgusting. But I think, well, I know what they're
Speaker 4: speaking about. Is the actual revelations from the killer being disgusting.
Speaker 4: I'm and you've heard it. This is stuff that it
Speaker 4: mixes sex and homosexual sex, which is distasteful to many
Speaker 4: men and many people for various reasons. Why I've included
Speaker 4: this is because I could find no way to take
Speaker 4: it out and still give you the complete story of
Speaker 4: how this person, this suspected serial killer, this serial killer
Speaker 4: in my mind thinks actually thinks we have a treasure trove.
Speaker 4: If it's any appropriate term of actual revelations from this
Speaker 4: killer deep inside his mind, not the mind of somebody
Speaker 4: looking for excuses, because he does trot these out obviously
Speaker 4: in the book as well. Everyone abused them. Everyone wanted
Speaker 4: to have sex with them. Sex was the biggest part
Speaker 4: of his life. It happened everywhere. Everyone wanted them, everyone
Speaker 4: abused them. He worked as a male prostitute. He says,
Speaker 4: you know, again, you have to just report on what
Speaker 4: these people say. Do they exaggerate, do they embellish? Are
Speaker 4: they pathological liars to a certain degree, or is there
Speaker 4: narcissism make them believe that everyone wants them, everyone thinks
Speaker 4: they're handsome. Everyone has abused him. I mean it's a
Speaker 4: mix of things. Is there people that may have abused
Speaker 4: him when he was young? Possibly could be Again, all
Speaker 4: I want to do is just get to the gist
Speaker 4: of the most important thing. This person butchered this human
Speaker 4: being when he realized he had Susan Sarandon's gold necklace. Now,
Speaker 4: why would he do that? Because he's a movie fan.
Speaker 4: He's obsessed with celebrity, and many people are. But when
Speaker 4: he realized somewhere on the day of July first, I
Speaker 4: believe there's all the evidence that all the inferences, and
Speaker 4: I mean I'm talking about inferences that never have any exceptions.
Speaker 4: They're all inferences that lead to the same easy conclusion
Speaker 4: that I'm very confident about that he is a serial killer.
Speaker 4: See why I believe that he would not actually talk
Speaker 4: about premeditation in this particular case, because he knew enough
Speaker 4: about the law. He's a smart individual who must be
Speaker 4: reading the papers like everyone else and realize very much
Speaker 4: so about Canadian law and Canadian law procedures manslaughter because
Speaker 4: you say you're drunk, And even in this particular case,
Speaker 4: it is absolutely ridiculous and absurd to believe a person
Speaker 4: wouldn't be cognitive of their actions for this entire period
Speaker 4: it would take to carefully dissect and do an incredibly
Speaker 4: surgically precise autopsy and then walk considerable distance, even if
Speaker 4: we believe, if we believe him, that it was miles
Speaker 4: away where he disposed of these organs, but it was
Speaker 4: certainly not in a two or three mile radius around
Speaker 4: the hotel that he disposed of these organs. So he
Speaker 4: certainly went out of his way to dispose of these organs,
Speaker 4: which indicates to me, obviously it has no problem removing
Speaker 4: organs dissecting certain body parts, but certainly taking those organs
Speaker 4: calmly and collectively in some kind of garbage bags and
Speaker 4: walking miles with them or two or three or four
Speaker 4: miles to dispose of them. How he you know, it's inconceivable,
Speaker 4: very first murder, and I'm not it's because of the
Speaker 4: motivation itself. The motivation to come forward is very rare.
Speaker 4: There have been the Happy Face Killer. There have been
Speaker 4: certain people that were frustrated that the police could not
Speaker 4: catch up with them, the BTK killer. There's numerous examples
Speaker 4: of some of the worst serial killers contacting the police
Speaker 4: because the police. In the Happy Face Killer case, someone
Speaker 4: else had come forward confessing, believe it or not, two
Speaker 4: murders that he had committed. So he contacted police and
Speaker 4: they had a hell of a time believing or he
Speaker 4: had a hell of a time convincing anyone that these
Speaker 4: other people didn't commit the murders. But when people are
Speaker 4: taking credit for someone else's murders or and like you
Speaker 4: see it on fictional programs and based on true life,
Speaker 4: this has happened. Where in the BTK case, why he
Speaker 4: came forward is because a journalist they generated a story
Speaker 4: where they said he was likely retired or he's not
Speaker 4: going to do it again. Basically, there are a lot
Speaker 4: of police agencies that are experienced enough to do some
Speaker 4: innovative things to be able to flush out these killers
Speaker 4: that hadn't been in bt case case hadn't been caught
Speaker 4: for over twenty years, and they were successful because a
Speaker 4: lot of these people obviously you could say they're intelligent,
Speaker 4: but how intelligent you have to be to kill someone
Speaker 4: that is no one really really cares about a homosexual
Speaker 4: in this case, visiting a city, susceptible to alcohol or intoxication,
Speaker 4: or maybe even an alcoholic. I don't want to call people,
Speaker 4: you know, accuse people, or a label people as anything,
Speaker 4: but certainly serial killers pick the most vulnerable people, people
Speaker 4: on the street with addictions, that are going to jump
Speaker 4: into a car because they're desperate for money. And then
Speaker 4: from there the killer had as a person that is
Speaker 4: willing to go into a vehicle that society, police, maybe
Speaker 4: even other people families don't really care as much about.
Speaker 4: So that's why they become victims. In this particular case
Speaker 4: with Sidney Tierhuse, he lays out in this book his MO,
Speaker 4: his method of operations, his signature, is again, if we
Speaker 4: do strict traditional criminal profiling, we would then look for
Speaker 4: again I think this is a total mistake. We would
Speaker 4: look for similar murders where all of the victims internal
Speaker 4: organs were removed and they were stabbed numerous times in
Speaker 4: some kind of pattern and then mutilated, partially dissected, and
Speaker 4: then left posed and displayed crudely reassembled for shock value. Well,
Speaker 4: why that's not part of his signature? Is that I
Speaker 4: believe the part of the signature is complete disposal of
Speaker 4: the victim after the experience. Why do I believe that
Speaker 4: after he left Winnipeg at nineteen years of age and
Speaker 4: moved out to Vancouver that he became a serial killer?
Speaker 4: Is at some point and it makes no other logical
Speaker 4: sense to me, is that Sydney Tierhus had dreamed of
Speaker 4: moving out to Vancouver. Vancouver. For those people in and
Speaker 4: America that don't know, is our California, the West coast,
Speaker 4: the casual pot smoking is permissible. You know the next
Speaker 4: province over, it's conservative and politically and socially is very
Speaker 4: much like Texas and some of their laws. And so
Speaker 4: you have a mentality that goes from our province. The
Speaker 4: province with ten provinces and politically, socially historically they are
Speaker 4: different makeups of different kinds of people. The West coast
Speaker 4: Vancouver compared to winnipe Winnipeg is a midwest a prairie town,
Speaker 4: eighth or ninth biggest city in Canada, old, not the
Speaker 4: most affluent, the coldest climate in Canada. Mosquitos infested in
Speaker 4: the summer. Because of our soil, which is basically clay.
Speaker 4: We have a city that is about seven hundred thousand
Speaker 4: people with not much of a surrounding area. Is isolated.
Speaker 4: For example, we are eight hours from Minneapolis by car.
Speaker 4: We are eight hours to anywhere, or ten hours or
Speaker 4: twelve hours by car to anywhere in Ontario, our most
Speaker 4: populous province, and Toronto being about six million in the
Speaker 4: greater metro area. So getting back, Sydney moved out to Vancouver,
Speaker 4: became a chef and began his dream life out in Vancouver.
Speaker 4: Now he's plagued with drug addictions because his life didn't
Speaker 4: really work out the way he had wanted. There's many
Speaker 4: people like that. But as even worked as a chef
Speaker 4: and he made good money in Vancouver, which I mean
Speaker 4: compared to Winnipeg or some other places. Vancouver, being I believe,
Speaker 4: the third biggest city in Canada, all these opportunities for
Speaker 4: good wages because it is an affluent community Vancouver and
Speaker 4: surrounding area. People go to retire to Vancouver and there
Speaker 4: is a lot of money, and so as a chef,
Speaker 4: I can't see him making any more money, regardless of
Speaker 4: moving to another province, to the neighboring province of Alberta
Speaker 4: is where he moved after nine or ten years of
Speaker 4: living in Vancouver, which he had always dreamed of living in.
Speaker 4: Now some people might say, well, because he's odeing on
Speaker 4: cocaine and crack and doing heroin and oxy cotton out
Speaker 4: in West Coast, maybe he left Alberta for different paths,
Speaker 4: for a different influence, a different friends. If we take
Speaker 4: that as one of the reasons, then why would he
Speaker 4: leave Edmonton and then go to a small, very small
Speaker 4: community called Canora, which is thousands of miles away. Again,
Speaker 4: when you're continually odeeing on crack, when you're living from
Speaker 4: paycheck to paycheck because of major addictions, there is no
Speaker 4: real reason to move as a chef, because I can't.
Speaker 4: I cannot believe for a second that there is really
Speaker 4: any significant amount of money to be made moving from
Speaker 4: your city, taking in the consideration of that those costs
Speaker 4: to move to go to another job that will pay
Speaker 4: essentially around the same amount of money. Now, another reason
Speaker 4: why I find it hard to believe that Sydney Tyer,
Speaker 4: who's the killer, would leave Vancouver is because Edmonton, where
Speaker 4: he went to, Alberta, the province itself, is very much
Speaker 4: like Texas for a homosexual drug user and a very
Speaker 4: flamboyant gay person, a very well, not a flaming gay,
Speaker 4: but I'm just a person that's very obviously gay. And
Speaker 4: why he would plan to move to a province, to
Speaker 4: a city where it is noted for less than tolerance
Speaker 4: for gays and for drug users legally, socially, So I
Speaker 4: find it that's the I find it quite odd. Now,
Speaker 4: while he was in Alberta, he extended he was in
Speaker 4: a drug treatment program for six months, so obviously they
Speaker 4: felt and he felt that he had to go into
Speaker 4: a clinic for an extended amount of time. I don't
Speaker 4: know about the rules of clinics, but four weeks, six weeks,
Speaker 4: eight weeks, I mean that seems to be the norm,
Speaker 4: or even more than the norm. Six months is an
Speaker 4: extended a stay with obviously a serious hard drug problem.
Speaker 4: Now part of this as well is that when he
Speaker 4: came forward, I think it's a relief for some of
Speaker 4: these people to because he talks about constantly about scraping
Speaker 4: and just getting by and oding continually. But again, I
Speaker 4: really do believe that he was running away also from murders.
Speaker 4: Why else would he put so much incriminating, damning evidence
Speaker 4: about attempted murders his mo where he knocks out men
Speaker 4: that he picks up at bus stations and then anally
Speaker 4: rapes these men. His total disregard for other people, trying
Speaker 4: to justify them as lesser people that just trash, is
Speaker 4: very much like his hero's John Wayne Gacy. So he
Speaker 4: clearly stayed the case that he is influenced by other
Speaker 4: serial killers Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Dennis Nielsen,
Speaker 4: and he is interested in their notoriety for the same
Speaker 4: reasons they are notorious killers. He would like to be
Speaker 4: known for those same types of things. So, if your
Speaker 4: heroes are serial killers, and you intimate, allude to, and
Speaker 4: insinuated your serial killer, and then you ask the question,
Speaker 4: which serial killer do I most closely resemble, and then
Speaker 4: you include quotes in your letters that refer to when
Speaker 4: the body dies, when you kill someone, it makes no
Speaker 4: sense to believe for a second that this person is
Speaker 4: anything but a serial killer. In Canada, we have no
Speaker 4: consecutive sentences for murder regardless, no consecutive sentences for rape,
Speaker 4: no consecutive sentences for murder. So once he has been convicted,
Speaker 4: thanks to my efforts, this person was given the harshest
Speaker 4: sentence in our province for second degree murder, which is
Speaker 4: twenty five years before he's eligible for parole. Normally, if
Speaker 4: he was convicted a second degree murder, and in this
Speaker 4: particular case, it would have been difficult, believe it or not,
Speaker 4: to convict him of second degree murder. And we won't
Speaker 4: even get into why that's possible. But this person could
Speaker 4: have received the sentence we'll say, for example, it's a misnomer.
Speaker 4: They'll say, will he received a life sentence with the
Speaker 4: possibility of parole in twelve years, And in twelve years,
Speaker 4: of course, if he's responding to rehabilitating, rehabilitation efforts in jail, whatever,
Speaker 4: those are as significant or insignificant as those are. Again,
Speaker 4: how would you cure rehabilitate a psychopathic killer. Again, I
Speaker 4: could pose a question. There is no way of doing that,
Speaker 4: I believe, So a couple of years before he would
Speaker 4: be his first parole date possibility, they would prepare him
Speaker 4: for his eventual Again, the word eventual is what they use,
Speaker 4: eventual release into society. Now by letting him out to
Speaker 4: the shopping mall and to the movie theater, they believe
Speaker 4: this demonstrates his trustworthiness and his harmlessness, now that he's
Speaker 4: been rendered harmless or safe or no risk to the public.
Speaker 4: And then they would use that information of his rehabilitation
Speaker 4: to indicate and give him the possibility of parole and
Speaker 4: release him into release them on the streets with some
Speaker 4: kind of conditions, and they call that supervision. I do
Speaker 4: not know how going to a parole officer once a
Speaker 4: month or twice a month for an hour or half
Speaker 4: an hour is considered supervision in this case, because you've
Speaker 4: received twenty five years to life, you received the maximum sentence,
Speaker 4: which is equivalent to the harshest sentence we have in Canada,
Speaker 4: which is twenty five years before you're eligible for parole.
Speaker 4: For example, Paul Bernardo Karl Halmalka, do you're not aware
Speaker 4: of these cases compete with anything in the world in
Speaker 4: terms of horrifying, incredibly charismatic and fascinating killers. Carlmalkam, Paul Bernardo,
Speaker 4: and Robert Picton. The person accused of had evidence of
Speaker 4: thirty three women being killed on his farm, but he
Speaker 4: has said to an undercover officer, I needed one more
Speaker 4: for fifty, So possibility of forty nine. At least thirty three.
Speaker 4: He has one murder conviction, not thirty three. So he
Speaker 4: has a parole hearing in twenty years or so. Now,
Speaker 4: it's unlikely, based on all of the public outcry, that
Speaker 4: this person would ever actually be released on parole. And
Speaker 4: say with Paul Bernardo, however, this case, you know, didn't
Speaker 4: receive the kind of attention that those other cases. They
Speaker 4: were not as fascinated with the killer or the victim
Speaker 4: in this particular case. This is a faceless, non important
Speaker 4: victim from a family that doesn't understand the system and
Speaker 4: has no status, is not high profile. What can I
Speaker 4: tell you, I mean, it happens in the case the
Speaker 4: Anthony case, with Kaylee Anthony. It's there are certain victims
Speaker 4: that are much much more highly regarded and killers that
Speaker 4: happen to be handsome, and kids that are cute, and
Speaker 4: women that have not ever been in trouble at all
Speaker 4: with the authorities whatsoever, and a family of parents that
Speaker 4: are really, you know, really going to the media expressing
Speaker 4: their concern, pushing the media for for help in trying
Speaker 4: to in some cases finding the victim or trying to
Speaker 4: get justice. So it's all the optics of the victim's
Speaker 4: family that looks good and is articulate, and of course
Speaker 4: I'll say the right color and the right socioeconomic status,
Speaker 4: and same with the victims. So in this case it's Winnipeg.
Speaker 4: So outside of Toronto are big megacity and Vancouver, which
Speaker 4: is the West Coast equivalent. It's just Winnipeg. It's just Winnipeg,
Speaker 4: and it's a victim that doesn't matter so much and
Speaker 4: certainly a killer. Now when you throw in the necrophilia
Speaker 4: and the disgusting, horrific and graphic details that this guy provides,
Speaker 4: this book is getting, you know, judged by its cover
Speaker 4: and judge by people opening up and see the drawings
Speaker 4: that they're there. And in Canada we have no true
Speaker 4: crime market. We read American true crimes. We do have
Speaker 4: books about the Hell's angels in Canada and the Bandidos.
Speaker 4: There was a massacre a couple of years ago in Canada.
Speaker 4: So those stories to the late and fascinate people in Canada.
Speaker 4: We don't have much in terms of mob stories per se.
Speaker 4: That's definitely America has a hold on that. That being
Speaker 4: their own phenomena. Serial killers are not known. In fact,
Speaker 4: when Robert Picton was merely killing women at almost at
Speaker 4: women in the Vancouver area on his pig farm and
Speaker 4: feeding the victims to the pigs, again incredible, incredibly gory details,
Speaker 4: a police officer within the Vancouver Police said, I think
Speaker 4: we have a serial killer on the loose. They demoted him,
Speaker 4: humiliated him, basically tried to get him off the force,
Speaker 4: and denied any of his observations and conclusions and refused
Speaker 4: to believe that there was a serial killer loose. Obviously,
Speaker 4: there was at least one serial killer loose. So again,
Speaker 4: because there are no consecutive sentences, there is no or
Speaker 4: very little motivation, and probably with Canada's laws, not only
Speaker 4: no motivation or inclination to be able to question him further,
Speaker 4: they might have legal problems from any prospective confession that
Speaker 4: they would be able to get from him, because again,
Speaker 4: we just have a different system. We believe that we
Speaker 4: can rehabilitate everyone. We do have criminals rights enshrined. It
Speaker 4: seems to many people that go through the system that
Speaker 4: there's much more rights for the criminal than there are
Speaker 4: for the victims. And we certainly don't have the kind
Speaker 4: of input that victims have in America to elicit the
Speaker 4: kind of outcomes that those victims, victims of the family
Speaker 4: of the victims might want, or push for or desire.
Speaker 4: So what we have is that there is not much incentive, motivation, inclination,
Speaker 4: or interest in questioning Sidney Tyerhughes further because of his
Speaker 4: disgusting revelations. However, there are numerous missing men in Vancouver
Speaker 4: area and Alberta and across this country, and every victim
Speaker 4: deserves to be recognized as a victim, and the families
Speaker 4: need this closure and to find out what on earth
Speaker 4: happened to their loved one. Sidney Tierhues. I'm very confident. I,
Speaker 4: for example, have approached a doctor Scott Bonn, and doctor
Speaker 4: Scott Bonn is a professor of sociology at the Rutgers
Speaker 4: University of New Jersey, and I've approached them about approaching
Speaker 4: Sidney tier Hues because he's a serial killer researcher, slash expert,
Speaker 4: to be able to elicit the kind of information that
Speaker 4: will certify certainly that Sidney Tierhues is a serial killer,
Speaker 4: and to initiate further investigations, regardless of he's doing the
Speaker 4: maximum sentence in prison. It's just the truth. It's that
Speaker 4: That's what I'm committed to. That's why I did this
Speaker 4: in the first place. I had my instincts and my
Speaker 4: intuitions as to what he was doing, and that's how
Speaker 4: I got involved, and that's how I uncovered the information
Speaker 4: that I uncovered in my research. I happen to study
Speaker 4: serial killers. I did interview Robert K. Wrestler, and that
Speaker 4: interview is included in my book. Robert K. Wrestler is
Speaker 4: one half of the team that created Criminal Profiling, along
Speaker 4: with John Douglass from the FBI. Robert K. Wrestler is
Speaker 4: the person that coined the phrase serial killer, and in
Speaker 4: two thousand and two, ironically, I had the pleasure to
Speaker 4: interview Robert K. Wrestler about Jeffrey Dahmer and about John
Speaker 4: Wayne Gacy. Ironically, the information that I learned from that
Speaker 4: interview is applicable, ironically and incredibly applicable to this case
Speaker 4: where I'm actually speaking with a serial killer. A year
Speaker 4: and a half after that Robert K. Wrestler interview Inside
Speaker 4: the Criminal Mind he called it, and we talked about
Speaker 4: the serial killer criminal profile. Now Sidney Tierhues is a
Speaker 4: serial killer based on this profile, and part of that
Speaker 4: profile is this need for fame, this need to relive
Speaker 4: the murders and the crimes themselves, the idea that he
Speaker 4: would commit this one murder. At first, it took me
Speaker 4: probably two or three years to stop thinking logically like
Speaker 4: I would or you would think, because they have a
Speaker 4: different mentality, sex and murder as fantasies combined indistinguishable of
Speaker 4: the two things. Then you can't apply your normal rational
Speaker 4: thought and then and then extrapolate or make inferences. You
Speaker 4: have to understand the mindset of these people. So when
Speaker 4: you do understand the mindset, you kind of you will
Speaker 4: question why if these heroes are serial killers, why would
Speaker 4: he come forward after just one murder? And you say
Speaker 4: just one? But the incredible horror spectacle has never never
Speaker 4: been equalled, never, and I hope it never is equaled
Speaker 4: or surpassed. Not even Jack the Ripper did this. No
Speaker 4: killer on earth in the history of the world has
Speaker 4: done what Sidney Tierhuse has done. There have been incredibly
Speaker 4: horrific murders and killers, but no one has taken all
Speaker 4: of the victim's internal organs and done what this person
Speaker 4: has done. Now when you add that he the horror
Speaker 4: spectacle that he created with the internal organs all missing
Speaker 4: and this mutilated, dismembered corpse for shock value, pose and
Speaker 4: display for police to discover, but then granting interviews with
Speaker 4: the media, trying to contact the major players in this city.
Speaker 4: But they just were not interested, or they were I'm
Speaker 4: not sure why they didn't see this story for what
Speaker 4: it was. It doesn't matter to me. I can't spend
Speaker 4: too much time on that. But why he went and
Speaker 4: corresponded with me and gave me the information that he
Speaker 4: did the way that he did, the providing the letter,
Speaker 4: about the questioning by police in Winnipeg about other similar murders.
Speaker 4: As he said, again, you have to take apart some
Speaker 4: of it and say, well, obviously there are no other
Speaker 4: murders that are similar. But then you start thinking of well,
Speaker 4: similar just means he did all these things to a body.
Speaker 4: He was capable in this case of removing and disposing
Speaker 4: of all the victims Organs, Why could he just not
Speaker 4: dispose of the entire body. Well, he could, he could
Speaker 4: have done at this time. Well, then why did he
Speaker 4: come forward? Because on July second is the day he
Speaker 4: came forward, he provides in his writing in the book
Speaker 4: The Stressors. He went back to his home with this
Speaker 4: adopted family had taken him in, and he talks at
Speaker 4: length about the sexual and physical physical abuse at the
Speaker 4: hands of his adopted family. His mother had given him
Speaker 4: up when she was fifteen. His family in Winnipeg took
Speaker 4: him into foster care, and then at July second, when
Speaker 4: he was three years old, that was the anniversary of
Speaker 4: his being adopted into this family in Winnipeg, this abusive,
Speaker 4: allegedly abusive family. That's when he came forward was July second,
Speaker 4: the day after he had met this gentleman. July second,
Speaker 4: he came forward to the police. Now, if I had
Speaker 4: just put that together, that would be again, there wouldn't
Speaker 4: be so much weight to it. But he put that together.
Speaker 4: He provided the information about the stressors. Very much like
Speaker 4: a serial killer. He understands that has to be some
Speaker 4: reason for it. So he talks about the stressor about
Speaker 4: going back to his neighborhood home. He had just been
Speaker 4: back in town for three weeks. He was thinking about
Speaker 4: his abusive family. So a couple days later, he meets
Speaker 4: a man. He probably didn't have any intentions of murder
Speaker 4: that day, but when he found out that he had
Speaker 4: in his possession thanks to the victims stealing the jewelry
Speaker 4: from Susan Sarandon's trailer while she was on the set
Speaker 4: of Shall We Dance, he then hatched a plan to
Speaker 4: achieve the infamy that he always desired being a nobody,
Speaker 4: being frustrated, being a failed artist, and being a failed
Speaker 4: human by being hardly being able to stay alive o
Speaker 4: Dean continually squandering all his money, getting fired from jobs
Speaker 4: because he was either drinking or just missing work, or
Speaker 4: just his character in general. So it was as very
Speaker 4: much as you know by reading all these books, it's
Speaker 4: the end of the road. They seem to be boxing
Speaker 4: in a corner, and this is what happens now. The
Speaker 4: other murders he alludes to. He talks about the other questioning,
Speaker 4: and I believe that what he's trying to tell me
Speaker 4: is other people were killed in Edmonton and Alberta our
Speaker 4: pardon me, Alberta, the province, and Vancouver, British Columbia. And
Speaker 4: that is what he has given to me. Is all
Speaker 4: that information that when you put it all together, when
Speaker 4: you put all the characteristics, the post murder activities, the
Speaker 4: shared characteristics he has with the worst killers in true
Speaker 4: crime history. People don't lie about necrophilia, they don't brag
Speaker 4: about necrophilia, brag about this memberment. This person deserves to
Speaker 4: be recognized as one of the worst serial killers of
Speaker 4: all time, one of the worst killers of all time,
Speaker 4: because if they were to get if anyone were to
Speaker 4: get the actual information from this killer, I can't even
Speaker 4: fathom what else this person would want to say and
Speaker 4: have to say about those other murders, what happened. This
Speaker 4: is a person that wants to be studied, that wants
Speaker 4: to be interviewed, that wants to talk, that wants to
Speaker 4: be known, and wants to be infamous. We should use
Speaker 4: that opportunity now I've had this book. Trophy Kill has
Speaker 4: been studied by Professor Sue Williams and her class as
Speaker 4: one of the books about serial killing. This was called
Speaker 4: the Social Construction of a serial killer. And my book
Speaker 4: has been included in with some of the biggest Catherine Ramsland,
Speaker 4: Harold Shanter, all these true crime bestselling authors who specialize
Speaker 4: in serial killing, and they looked at the book and
Speaker 4: they made their conclusions which I really don't agree with.
Speaker 4: But the book has been included in with other noted
Speaker 4: serial killer experts books and it's been accepted in this
Speaker 4: university class as a serial killer and the social construction.
Speaker 4: I've now approached doctor Scott Bond. He is doing the
Speaker 4: again another construction of a serial killer again, the how
Speaker 4: these serial killers are formed, and he may have a
Speaker 4: problem with again Sidney Teerhus officially only being convicted of
Speaker 4: one murder. So I will continue my quest, my mission
Speaker 4: to have this guy recognize as a serial killer. And
Speaker 4: that's why I'm going to America, because America recognized the
Speaker 4: serial killers, and they recognized the profile. They created the
Speaker 4: profile from their experience with serial killers. Canada may not care,
Speaker 4: but obviously people in America still are fascinated by again
Speaker 4: another unique serial killer. And this serial killer wanted to
Speaker 4: talk and did talk, and wow, did he talk. So anyway,
Speaker 4: I want to thank you very much for listening to
Speaker 4: this program. I hope I have enlightened you to why
Speaker 4: I believe that Sidney Teerhues is a serial killer. And
Speaker 4: I will tell people too that there is no ebook version,
Speaker 4: but I am working on an ebook version and a
Speaker 4: relaunch of the book in an ebook form with a
Speaker 4: lot of reviews from true crime writers who have read
Speaker 4: the book so far. So I'm going to have that
Speaker 4: together and it should be available this year ebook form,
Speaker 4: and I want to make a couple changes to the
Speaker 4: book now. The Amazon version, the published on demand version
Speaker 4: that you can get is seventeen dollars in the US,
Speaker 4: and I will tell you and explain why it is
Speaker 4: more expensive. Your average true crime writer is doing two
Speaker 4: true crime books a year in making fifty three cents
Speaker 4: royalty on each book. I had a small publisher. I'm
Speaker 4: not in America. I don't have the benefit of your
Speaker 4: many of your programs to support. I'm probably not going
Speaker 4: to sell as many books just based on certain things,
Speaker 4: especially that it is a Canadian crime and will not
Speaker 4: interest everybody in America. But if you're interested in the
Speaker 4: mind of a serial killer, in a psychopathic killer, in
Speaker 4: a unique crime, in a fascinating story, of a journalist
Speaker 4: that gets inextricably involved in a case, and you have
Speaker 4: the transcripts that you'd never get in most books. And
Speaker 4: why I've included that is because it's the most powerful
Speaker 4: way to get this information to you about Sidney Tierhughes
Speaker 4: and this incredible trial and Sydney Teerhughes, the killer took
Speaker 4: the stand and you won't believe the stuff they admitted
Speaker 4: to under cross examination. Very fast stuff. So that's what
Speaker 4: it is. The Trophy Killed, the Shall We Dance Murder?
Speaker 4: It is more expensive than your average true crime book.
Speaker 4: It's four hundred pages in this bigger format. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of information jam packed into this book, and you
Speaker 4: will be first shocked by the murder itself, even more
Speaker 4: shocked by the revelations, and then hopefully you'll be shocked
Speaker 4: by the differences in our judicial system and the conduct
Speaker 4: of the most experienced murder trial lawyer in the English
Speaker 4: speaking world, which is Greg Brodsky, which was the defense
Speaker 4: lawyer in this particular case. So it's an incredible story,
Speaker 4: despite being a Canadian story. Please don't dismiss it. This
Speaker 4: guy has deserves your consideration as a unique serial killer
Speaker 4: that you must read this book to have any inclination
Speaker 4: on how the serial killer really really thinks. Anyway, well,
Speaker 4: thank you for listening to the program. Any comments please
Speaker 4: contact me you know how to do that. Stay tuned
Speaker 4: next week for the casey Anthony case by Dan Fanning.
Speaker 4: It's called Mummy's Girl of Being an on core performance.
Speaker 4: And after that are Barry Flowers with Sex Slave Masters
Speaker 4: incredible journalist, incredible story, don't miss it. And after that
Speaker 4: Anthony di Stefano with mob Killer Again. Some incredible shows
Speaker 4: coming up in the near future, and I'll keep you
Speaker 4: posted for stuff that happens later in July. We're trying
Speaker 4: to get the story of Colonel Williams, another Canadian story
Speaker 4: that rivals any in America. Colonel Williams with a book
Speaker 4: called on a New Kind of Monster, very very very
Speaker 4: interesting case that captivated the world just in the last
Speaker 4: in this last six months or so. So anyway, thank
Speaker 4: you very much for listening. You've been listening to True Murder,
Speaker 4: the most shocking killers in true crime history, with your
Speaker 4: host Dan Zupanski. Please join me tomorrow if you get
Speaker 4: a chance, or on demand anytime. Just like these programs
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Speaker 4: with Ron Chepsik and Will Herb and we'll be talking
Speaker 4: about Sydney tear huse and serial murder. So please join
Speaker 4: me for that program where I'll be interviewed rather than
Speaker 4: me interviewing true crime authors. So thank you for tuning in,
Speaker 4: Have yourself a good night,