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Speaker 4: Bench, all right, welcome back in our number three of
O t B. And it is Tuesday. It is nine am.
So you know what that means. We're gonna catch up
with our guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans Dot Football.
Speaker 2: Nicholas. How are we doing, sir, gentlemen?
Speaker 5: How you doing? I'm doing good.
Speaker 4: I guess I should have asked is it Nicholas, because
my dad he's just Joey, not Joseph. His dad was
Tommy Joe, not Thomas Joseph. His brother was Sammy and
not Samuel. So I guess I just assume. But is
it Nicholas?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, No, nothing weird there. Yeah, Nicholas works.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hear that dad Nick Underhill called you weird.
Oh hey, I found out some information yesterday. I'm actually
for serious X. I'm gonna be hosting the Saints training
camp practice on July the thirtieth, and so you and
I can have all the sweat their training camp in
Metai together.
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like thank god Calvin moved the practices up
to like nine and nine thirty in the morning because
Mini camp at OTA's where like noon and like that's
just some like northern er you know, western stuff. Like
you get down here, it's way too hot for that
time of day. But it's still gonna be brutal and
we'll still be sweating, but you know, just a little
bit less.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look in serious XM.
Speaker 4: If you want to send me out to the Irvine
practices as well starting August to sixth, we can make
that happen. So just putting that out there. But I mean,
training camp is truly right around the corner. I mean
we are what two weeks away, really less than two
weeks away outside of the quarterback physician battle. The first
thing when you get out the notepad and you flip
it open, what is the like first note you want
to take because you've been waiting to see it.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean the first one I want to take
is definitely I want to see Trevor Penning guard. We
aren't going to see that the first couple of days
because they aren't like really padded practices. But that is
kind of the other the headline thing to me. And
then you know, Covin Banks two, we haven't actually seen
him block somebody, and I think that's kind of the
future of the team. The investments all on the line.
PFF did their like offensive line rankings yesterday. They had
the Saints twenty at that. I think that's that's maybe
short changing them a little bit, but if they cash
in on their potential, it should be a really a
really good group. So that's at the top list. And
then my second bollet point, it's just what's happening at
corner because I think that's imperative too, just in terms
of the team building going forward. If Kool as good,
if Alante is you know, Alante is a fascinating story
right now because I think he has like a similating
skill set, but it hasn't quite materialized in the type
of production consistently that you want. And I think that's
a little bit beyond his control, just and that they've
moved him around so much. But he's in a contract here,
and you know, if he doesn't get like the you know,
Pete Werner week three of training camp deal and he
bets on himself this year and he gets through that.
He's someone that I could see having like a great
season in just cashing out and going somewhere else. And
you know, it's also one of those things where if
you pay him, it's a little bit of a gamble
right now too, So you know that that's a huge
story to me going into camp. Him and Raschichiat, I
think are both kind of candidates to get try to
get paid now. And honestly, if I was the agent
of either player, I tell him to go through the season,
Like I don't think you know, she he could get hurt,
and I think he still gets paid whatever he's worth
today right now. But if he goes through a season
and he's healthy and he plays all seventeen games, and
he also just switched ages to Drew Rosenow, so we
kind of know probably what he's thinking. You go through
it and you have a good season, like you're getting megabucks.
But like, I think those are kind of the real
big things going into the training camp right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said it like OTA's and mini camp
are one thing you get to see a little bit.
You get to diagnose a little bit. There's some notes
you can write down, but training camp, once you get
the pads on to start hitting and getting physical, that's
when you can really see how players are going to react,
how what players could potentially be, what the team could
potentially be like, and kind of to that, especially when
you get to see somebody else with some pads on.
Do you know if the Saints have any plans or
they've already scheduled some joint practices with any other teams?
Speaker 5: Zero they aren't doing any of this year, which which
is a little bit of a surprise to me. I
thought for sure they'd do something with the Chargers out
there or somebody else, Like there's a ton of teams
out there in California, and they did not set anything up, which,
you know, I think that's kind of disappointing. It's usually
the best work to me, Like you get to go
through and say, hey, look we're gonna run forty red
zone plays and have that perfected by the end of
Thursday's practice, and then on you know, Friday, we're gonna
work these situations. It's usually better work than the games.
I always feel like it's more informative than those preseason games.
I was a little bit surprised to see that one
play out like that. I can't remember the last time
the Saints went through a camp without joint practices. I
don't know if that's a kinple of more athos or
if it's just like a matter of like, hey, like
I need to, you know, build my program and focus
on what we're doing this year and then kind of
look somewhere else. But I was surprised by that.
Speaker 3: And we always get like the best like training camp
fights in those too. So now, oh yeah, so Mike
had what is the best training camp fight you've ever seen?
Who does it? Was there a memorable one that stuck out?
Like these two monsters were just going at it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean easily easily it was one guy is
because he was fighting every single day that the first
year tryvor Penning was here. It was it was insane.
It was like it was like they what a training
camp and he's he's just like he's throwing punches at people.
It was wild and it just kept happening like day
after day after day, Like Sean Payton had to tell
him to chill out, like it was it was a
lot like he was definitely the guy that that that
comes to mind. Uh you know early on those you know,
I like a lot of the uh you know, the
the receiver cornerback battles like those usually build up over
time where it's like a lot of talking and then
like it pops off. But like like Penning was like
a like a nineties heavyweight fight, like just going after
people and you know when the big big guys go
at it, like it there's a little more, there's a
little more to it. So uh was definitely I mean
he can throw, yeah, like no doubt about it. Yeah, No,
he's not somebody. He's not somebody you want coming at you.
And like I don't think he's afraid to throw like
a you know, a fist of a helmet if he
needs to either, which isn't always smart, but like he's
really about it, you know, like some guys like they
get in those situations and like the arms are like
you know the wind mill punches like Unting kind of
looked like he had scrapped before.
Speaker 4: Hey well, I mean, honestly, I'm going to turn this
conversation into a football question. Like him moving to guard,
having that mentality where he can be a little bit
more reckless because you're protected on both sides. Like that,
to me, if he's ever going to be a successful,
dependable NFL player, it is going to be at the
guard position. And I'm not saying that it's easy, but
I think what he does and his mentality that just
fits him better because now he can be more aggressive.
Now he can maybe take more chances. Now he doesn't
have to be perfect. Now it's not all about the technique.
And you're on an island by yourself, and so if
we're going to get any kind of good version of
Trevor Pinning, it feels like it's going to be inside.
Speaker 5: You just kind of swunk me a little bit, Like
just with that transition, I didn't know where it was going,
but it made a lot of sense to me, Like
I'm the biggest Penning dowterer, Like you know, I I
gotta see it, But I don't disagree with you, like
this is think or swim like this this is the
last stop on the bus to bus spills, Like he
has to make this work because I don't think you're
going back to the outside, Like it's if you have
a chance to cash it on any potential of that
stap in here. And I do love the idea of
him at guard in the run game. You know, I
think he can get out there. I think he can
pull like this. This is a you know, a three
hundred and thirty pounds, three hundred and fifty pound behemoth
that can like legitimately run and you know that stands
out and I think, you know, polling and doing stuff
there like that, that's gonna that's gonna play to it.
It's this eat of which things happen that that kind
of worries me a little bit. But you know, on
the flip side, I think I would rather try to
have him dealing with that as opposed to being out
on the island. And you know, if you do lose,
like there's no bumpers, at least he's got some bumpers. Now,
you know that isn't gonna protect him every time. But yeah,
I mean theoretically like possibly, Uh, I've never liked it
for him, you know, Matt, you probably speak to this
better than me, like, like, does it does it help
having a taller quarterback in there with like a six
foot seven guy a guard like Shuck being prototype like
does that maybe lend a like a possible foot better
than the six foot tall rattler or you know, ja
kyner back there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the like the quarterback hype disparancy
probably is overvalued a little bit, a little bit, I
mean Drew Brees. And there's been short quarterbacks that have
shorter quarterbacks I'm not gonna say short, but shorter quarterbacks
that have like dispelled any of those type of rooms
that used to be. Everyone's gotta be six five so
you can see over the line, but with bocking schemes
like these days and splits and things like that, you
can kind of overshadow those things. And quarterbacks work on
this stuff, so yes, there is something to it. But
even me at six two and a half or like
a lot of quarterbacks there, guy, all right, but.
Speaker 2: We're not middle school anymore.
Speaker 3: Give me it's really a quarter But like I bump
it up to a half a right, uh, to twenty eight.
Even at that, it's like you're still not seeing over
six six guys. So whether I'm six two or five ten,
you're still not seeing over somebody that's you know, three
four five inches taller than you.
Speaker 5: So I mean six two and a half is technically
six to three.
Speaker 3: You knows you round up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely do six two and a half. I can't
believe you threw that in there.
Speaker 3: Well, why you're all in what five?
Speaker 4: And I was five eleven at the combine? And I
tell people in five ten because I don't think I'm
five eleven anymore. I go down, we're you five ten
and a half.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't tell people five ten and a half
if six two and a half.
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, go ahead, No, I mean that makes sense.
I mean yeah, I just I didn't know because like
NBIA six times and that's always been something that kind
of you know, but yeah, you're you're right, like youre
always look through those those lanes and everything like that. So, uh,
that makes sense.
Speaker 3: On this team? Like, is there anybody who on this
team is from a business side of things? Is up
for potentially big contract, big contract extension? Like if you
look through the roster, like, who are those guys if
there's you know, one of them, if there's five of them,
six and whatever it is, who are those guys you're
looking at that the Saints need to lock this, lock
them up, get them an extension, pay big Bucks.
Speaker 5: For Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting because, like I
think their free agents next year kind of bring them.
Speaker 7: Right up to like where the mentality is of the
team building, Like the expiring contract to like Tason Mill
to Mario, Davis, uh Foster, Cam Jordan, Tyron, Matthew Alante,
Taylor and Penning or kind of the headliners. Colin Saunders
I think is on there too, but like it there's
kind of like a split there, and it just kind
of really depends on what direction they're going with the
team and if you really are leaning into the rebuild
and trying to get younger and better and all this stuff,
like does it make sense to bring back Tays them
and to Mario and Cam and Tyron And you know,
it's just kind of you know, I think there's probably
a cost preposition on some of that stuff. Like you're
probably very willing to pay for the leadership of guys
like Tyron and Cam in the Mario, but like the
significant investment is a tough sell and I don't think
Tyron or Kim would would you know, would need it
at this point in their career. They don't right now.
But like a guy like to Mario if I'm to
Mario like I'm probably trying to get out of here,
I don't know, like.
Speaker 5: I could probably go get paid and actually helped like
a team that's trying to win a super Bowl. I
feel like he's still at that point in his career.
And if you're you're the Saints, like are you paying
someone to stick around? Like, you know, I think you
kind of got to see what happens this year. But
you know, I lean more into the you know, like
why are you paying guys that aren't going to be
part of this, you know, two three years from now,
like significant money, you know, one year deals to Cam
and Tyron kind of the way they did it would
still makes some sense to me, you know, at a
very low cost. But the guys I'm trying to pay
or Lantain cheat and I probably got s shea heat
at the top of that list. Like, I feel way
more comfortable paying him than anyone else. And if you're
going at it with like a you know, a younger quarterback,
you know, I'm willing to make that bet right now
on him to kind of you know, save a little bit.
You know, I do think there's some risk there. I
don't think he's the most polisheder outrunner. Yet that's something
that's kind of been an ongoing process. And you know,
the injuries last year I think set him back. You know,
he was kind of showing good improvement under Keith Williams
and and you know he got hurt. Maybe you know,
if that keeps developing and he keeps being this like,
you know, big play guy, Like I think he could
like really really break the market if he hits it
and stays healthy. But those are the guys like that.
It's it's a fascinating time right now. And you know,
the team building philosophy. I think it's kind of just
that it is with the mentality of the franchise too.
Like they're very, very loyal to their guys and like
they're the type of team that wants to keep like
a The Mario around forever. But like you know, there
are legitimate questions. And it's not like I think he's
a great player. I think the Mario's probably a guy
that should be like scratching the Hall of Fame with
his resume. Like I just don't know if he got
like the All Pros and Pro Bowls to kind of
put it together. But he should have. Like, I think
he's that type of talent. I think he's still a
really really good player, but like doesn't make sense going forward.
It's a fascinating time right now.
Speaker 3: All right, Nick, we're going to finish this off. We'll
give you a little rapid fire. See where Nick Underhill
New Orleans, not football, New Orleans, not football. See where
his mindset is going into the season on some specific
people and their targets and their stats for the seasons.
Are you ready for a little rapid fire, Yeah, let's
do it, all right. Alvin Kamara rushing yards over under
nine hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 5: I'm taking the under on that for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure, I don't have that.
Speaker 5: It's never hit a thousand, you know. I think there's
I think there's better depth at that position, and I
don't want to see him getting two hundred and twenty carries.
Speaker 3: Very good, So let's go to his total yard all
purpose yards at fifteen hundred.
Speaker 5: Oh that's tough. That's a good line, man. I'm gonna
take a I'm gonna take a slight under, just like
a barely barely under it. If you had said it
at like fourteen to fifty, I would you would have
talked me into the over.
Speaker 3: So I think he was like fourteen, like forty seven
last year. So I being that we finally have like
an offensive minded coach, I kind of bumped up everybody's
kind of averages a little bit, just to give you
a little heads up there. I think he was close
to the nine hundred rushing last year. I think. So anyways,
all right, let's move on Rashid Shaheed over under nine
hundred yards receiving.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the under. I mean, like the total
passing yards I think is probably what was Caleb at
last year. Kill was like thirty four hundred or something
like that, thirty six, Like, yeah, I think you're under
four thousand. So like I would, I'm gonna probably like
cut off your next one. But like I would, I'm
probably gonna take the unner on both a like Rashid
and the Lave just because I don't know that the
volume is going to be there.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because we were looking at the stats with
both of them had injuries last year, but they had
big numbers in the games that they did play, Like
Alave had seven hundred and something playing and what six
like less than half eight games something like that. So yeah,
I guess that'll bring me to the next one. I
put Chris Alave based on the numbers he was showing.
I even kind of like went down on his average
per game at twelve hundred yards over under.
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna have like a season that it
was like a twelve hundred yards season on film, Like
you're gonna be blown away by some of the stuff
he does. But like I don't. I don't know that
anyone's getting that high. Like shuck would have to be
shuck or rattler, but no QB controversy here, like like
one was gonna have to be really really good to
get to that, to get to that point.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go with the mister, Brandon Cooks. I'm gump
since you based on your aswers, I'm going down a
little bit. Receiving yards over under three hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 5: I'll take the over. Yeah, I think I'll take the over.
He gets it.
Speaker 3: What was that We're gonna see some bow and arrows
this year?
Speaker 5: I think a few. And look, I like the way
he's carrying himself to Sox season. He just set up
a throwing session at Nike Headquarters, and Beaverton got like
the whole team out there. You know, I think he's
building comfort. He worked out with Rattler wasn't there because
he was doing his his youth camp in South Carolina,
but he made a trip down the Arizona to work
with him. Like, I think he's really doing a lot
to like ingratiate himself, and I think like the chemistry
with the quarterbacks. I'll take the over on three.
Speaker 3: Fifty Okay, last three here, rapid fire or rapid fire
total TD pass over under thirty three. I'll go under
total sacks defensive this are only defensive one here defense
snkes total sacks over under thirty nine.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I don't. I don't like the D line.
I'm going under.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's very average of the pack. Yeah, it's very
total wins here we go over under five and a half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been saying five, So I'm under.
Speaker 3: You hate the Saints, all right, me and Hester is
trying so hard to be fans. You're really making it tough.
Speaker 1: Nick.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a fun five though, like.
Speaker 3: All fun that he went under on everybody.
Speaker 2: Fun five over on Brandon.
Speaker 3: Cooks Brandon Cook. Lets go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe you know a little babe with a better
attitude next week.
Speaker 4: We all so, Nick, he knows the Saints as well
as anybody. I'll leave that there, Nick Underhill. New Orleans
dot Football is the website. If you want to try
to know the Saints as well as Nick and the team,
do over at New Orleans Stuff Football.
Speaker 2: Sign up for the site today. Nick.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it as always, and I look forward to
seeing you down in training camp here in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. TV's guys, I feel great about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, good, No, good for me?
Speaker 3: Right great? Yeah? Oh, it's everything's fine, guys, everything's Saints fans,
it's fine.
Speaker 2: It is crazy that Alvin Kamara doesn't have a thousand
yard season.
Speaker 3: It is wild.
Speaker 4: But he's had like he's had some crazy like eight
to fifty rushing, seven to fifty receiving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he had eight, like sixty one year receiving.
But he's always averaging around like thirteen to fifteen purpose yards.
Speaker 8: Outside of last year, he's always kind of had a
split backfield, like it was Ingram, it was Latavius Murray.
Like last year was kind of the only year where
he was like the everydawn guy.
Speaker 3: Right here, I got it looked up here.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm trying to look at some guys that
like I play with.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think if if they had one thousand yards.
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, he had eight hundred and twenty six
yards receiving. So since let's say seventeen, I'm sorry, seventeen,
he had fifteen hundred and fifty four all purpose eighteen
fifty ninety two, nineteen, thirteen thirty twenty sixteen eighty eight,
twenty twenty one, thirteen thirty seven. Last year he had
fourteen hundred and ninety three all purpose yards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's been a hell of a player.
So like when I say that, it's surprising because he has.
Speaker 3: Been so last year nine hundred and fifty rushing yards
when I set the over under at nine fifteen fifty
and he went he went under. Well, it's just surprising.
Speaker 4: Because he did say what he thinks he has a
better compliment of backs with him.
Speaker 3: Sure, and yeah, I get that too, but this is
the first time in a while that we've had all
offensive minded coach like this like we have had. Yeah,
so since the Sean Payton era. This is the first
time like a coach that is focused on offense. They're
bringing that, so it's is exciting. I would expect all
the numbers from these people to go up, even with
young quarterbacks quarterback battles. I think they will get put
in the right position. I think you'll have some individual
stats that are going to pop off a little bit
and be better than what people think. All right, we'll
take a break.
Speaker 4: Look it's okay Nick, you know rapid fire and Nick underhill.
Sometimes that doesn't work out, but great answers as always
from Nick more OTB. When we come back here one
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Speaker 9: You see the shackles maybe on the s.
Speaker 3: From this behave.
Speaker 2: It's just a.
Speaker 7: Way.
Speaker 3: How'd you break you over there?
Speaker 4: Good Sunday King Caleb Williams not too bad.
Speaker 3: Break and so how do you think Caleb is gonna
do the ship?
Speaker 2: I don't care because I'm gonna get rid of all
those cars before. Try while I was hot.
Speaker 4: Like if I was going to hold onto one of
the quarterbacks from last year, I would go, can you
turn the tour?
Speaker 3: Down they were racing for King of the Mountain points.
Speaker 2: Like, certainly Jayden.
Speaker 3: There's one quarterback I'm definitely hanging on to right now,
Jayden or Spencer Rally. Well, I'm hanging on with Spencer.
Well Jayden, Yeah, No, Jayden like he's hot Joe Milton.
So for him to get hotter, he's gonna have to
have like Patrick Mahomes like type.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Arc So it's right now in the card game, and
correct me if I'm wrong. You know it as well
as I do, even better. It is kind of like
Caleb still holds a lot of weight, but it is
Jayden right underneath that Caleb, and then you have writerneath
that bow Nicks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, bow Knicks's that's the wonderful was your love? I Mean,
I don't know as much about cards, but like, the
dude's got weapons this year. You didn't have any last year.
So my thing is, I think Caleb is gonna have
a pretty good year.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna throw for four thousand?
Speaker 2: Who you're holding on to?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I don't have as many him. I'm
holding on to Pinnix okay, because he's like of the
six rookie quarterbacks last year, ye, kind of at the
more bottom of that, I think is but I thought
even more than J. J.
Speaker 2: McCarthy.
Speaker 3: I even asked you before that draft, the twenty twenty
four draft, I said, who's your favorite quarterback outside of JD?
And you said Pennix. So I've always really been a
fan of Penis and I think just him getting the reins,
getting the full confidence of a staff, and you know,
he's got a pretty good team around, I think he's
going to be pretty good. I know that's not great
for Saints fans, but I would expect him to be
really good. But you do it. But you look at
Caleb Williams like a guy that they they drafted, another
receiver they brought in it like they have so much talent,
Like the Bears are set up better than they have
been for a long time, and like Kayleb, Williams didn't
just like get less talented over the last year. He
had flashes and certainly it's like but I think Bears
fans and NFL fans are kind of looking at this
as like year one for him. Now, Like ye, that
was a train wreck with their last age. It was
like you want to talk about like just like a
that has no shot at commanding the room, that guy.
But now they bring in an offensive specialist who's done,
like he turned Jared Goff's career completely around into MVP
candidate status. Yeah, and it turns the Lions, I mean
helped turn the lines around. Of course they can't. Let's
don't forget about the ULTI yeah, I'm just gonna say,
like from an offensive standpoint, but getting creative being like
we talked about earlier in the show, a combination of
shotgun and creativity under the center, and it helps so
much spread the ball around. I would expect Caleb Williams
to have a pretty breakout second year, that would be
my prediction. So yeah, I would maybe hold, but like,
you still got a lot of hype. So like in
the card game, you can sell the hype or you
can wait and really cash out if it like turns out.
But I think most people want to probably sell the hype.
Like right now, I'm hold on the Pinks because I
think like you, I think Pennix comes out and he
has a good stretch of the season where he's looking
really good, and then at that point, like yeah, so
then you push, you push, you push again. That's why
I do Spencer. I think spl Spencer has a good
shot at at least being the starter at the beginning
of the season. Yeah, I think Saints fans should hope
that Spencer Rattler is the starter of the entire season,
because at that point you either know, all right, I
got a franchise guy, or I got a guy that
started the entire season is really good. Now we have
good trade value potentially with him if you do think
Shuck is your next guy. And I always want a
rookie quarterback, Maybe not always, there's some there's some exceptions
to the rule Jade Daniels. Of course. The most recent
exception of that rule Bo Nixon exception. But like you,
for the most part, it's better for a quarterback to sit.
Of course, it'd be better if you was like sitting
behind it like a ten yured Veig.
Speaker 4: May set up for a little bit last year. Pennicks
out for a little bit last year.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. JJ McCarthy another one that I would expect, like
he's got a lot of pieces around him that are
really good. He's set up for success. So these guys
that you had six quarterbacks go in the first round
last year, and that means like a lot of them
went to pretty good teams. Yeah, so you got a
guy JJ McCarthy with the Vikings. Of course they're great,
they're a threat in the North. Falcons have good talent
around him. At least the Broncos showed some signs they
got pieces in place this year. So I mean, I
would explain that this is going to go down as
probably one of the better quarterback draft classes. And I
talked about last year, not this year.
Speaker 4: So it is why So like you know, kind of
going back to the card game, it's like those six quarterbacks,
they didn't change like cards had come back, but they
like kind of changed a lot in the football card game,
right because people are always chasing those six teams. It's
like I want one of those six teams and sure
like you'll be okay, like if you get the Giants.
Speaker 2: Or the Jags, like you get my leak, or if
you get.
Speaker 4: The Cardinals you get Marvin Harrison, Jags, you get Chargers
with Lab mcconckey, Like it's like okay, like cool, pretty good,
But you're chasing those six quarterbacks and like in the
card game, like now it's like they hadn't even gotten
the cards out. Really they're just still still.
Speaker 3: Buy the card packs now that have Jayde Daniels as
a rook So like that's that's the thing. Do you
hold Jayde value Jayden Daniels cards as like if you're
if you're in it for the business side of things,
because his value is so sky high right now, so
like he has to take the next, like big big
step for it to go even higher. That's why I like,
you see Patrick Mahomes are still valuable even if they're
not rookies, right.
Speaker 8: Mad does Caleb throw for four thousand yards? Bears have
never had the first one.
Speaker 3: I think Caleb Williams will throw for four thousand ards.
I'm not saying this season, but he will for this
He'll be the first one. I think. I think he's
going to surprise people. I don't know if it actually
I don't even know if it's going to be a surprise.
I think he's gonna I think he's gonna make believers
out of a lot of doubters because I think he's
still talented. I think Jayden Daniels of course, is going
to have the better career and is the better quarterback
and will be the better quarterback of those two if
we're trying to make comparisons, But Caleb Williams got Draft
one for a reason because he's talented. I don't think
he is a bad dude or a bad teammate. I
think he was in a position that organizationally lacked a
lot of leadership, and that happens with a lot of
different organizations. So hopefully they got a guy, and all
signs point to yes, that they do have a guy
that can command the room and run a team and
put the pieces in place to be successful, to take
advantage of the weapons that they do have.
Speaker 4: You know why, I think, and I know we gotta
take a break, but you know why, I think Jayden
was way more successful in my opinion than Caleb. Jaden
is so comfortable in chaos, right, I think there's like,
obviously he's got traits that are like superhuman with his
speed and running ability and deep through all that. Sure,
but his ability to be in a chaotic situation and
look cool, calm and collected, where Caleb's like, oh I
gotta get out here, Oh I got to go make
the crazy you know, running to my right, throw back
across my body to the left, I'm panicking a little bit.
Speaker 2: Jayden didn't have that, and that's what I think.
Speaker 4: That's why he was so successful so early, is because
he allowed himself to play through the offense and not
try to do too much, just based off his.
Speaker 3: Ability and that Jaden processes information so fast and a
lot of that has to do with this training and
that virtual reality that's become like popularized, and they've done
stories about it now with Jayden. But that is something
as a quarterback that you can learn with experience. I
know he played a lot in college. I'm talking about
Kayleb Williams, but when things turn chaotic, that is something
that you can improve as a quarter wall. We talked
about running backs earlier. It's kind of hard to teach
a running back how to read a block and instinctually
read stuff. As a quarterback, the game can slow down
for you if you're comfortable within the system and you've
got good pieces around you, which I think they do
all right.
Speaker 4: When we come back, LSU did make a higher in
the recruiting department. We'll talk about it, tell you who
it is, and he's got an LSU tie, as I
just found out.
Speaker 2: We'll tell you what that is as well. When we
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Speaker 1: From players to legends. Hester and Flynn breakdown l s
U football like only champions can.
Speaker 2: God time don't all right?
Speaker 4: Welcome back again, O TV one four five ESPN, Ben Rouge.
I'll throw it now to our guy Tata for Little
l s U Football news.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so yesterday it was announced that this was last night,
l s U is hiring Ole Miss coordinator of recruiting strategy.
Like I would just call it recruiting strategy coordinator, but
that is neither here nor there. He's going to be
l s U Football's assistant general manager under Austin Thomas.
Speaker 3: A lot of ties to the program.
Speaker 8: Austin Thomas actually got him hired when he was at
Old Miss. Now he's back under Austin Thomas. He's been
there since twenty twenty two. He's a Mississippi native like
he's He's got big ties to Oxford.
Speaker 3: So this is a big time gift for LSU.
Speaker 4: One thing they've been doing at Old Miss that they
haven't done in the past is hitting and recruiting in
high school and the portal. Certainly the portal, but I
mean they're not going to be a top five recruiting class.
Speaker 2: Just not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: But remember we used to do the show Flynn and
like we'll be talking to night like they thirty.
Speaker 2: Fifth, thirty eighth and recruiting. Now they're starting to creep
their way up.
Speaker 4: And this is somebody that has incredibly strong Mississippi ties
and you're able to get him from Ole miss to LSU.
Our guy, Dick Dixon aka Richard Dixon, he says he
actually knows him. They're from Ocean Springs and played high
school ball together.
Speaker 2: How about that? And if he's good enough for Dick Dixon,
by god, he's.
Speaker 3: Good good enough for us, and he should be good
enough for you.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: I like out in this world of the the n
I L the new like College is getting general man
like the light speed quickness that we have moved through
this and College is having to just create titles for people.
What was that title again, Coordinator of Coordinator of recruiting strategy. Yep,
that big one.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the title Knower of ball.
Speaker 3: M hmm. That's us. That's going to be a Landra.
That's gonna be I mean.
Speaker 4: Although I did line up one of the receivers who
I was thinking I was putting off the ball yeah,
instead of putting him behind the ball, I'll put him
ahead of the ball because I'm you know, just hold
on this lexic.
Speaker 9: Just eleven personnel that ball.
Speaker 3: We did the guy right there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's not supposed to be well, I.
Speaker 4: Mean not supposed to be that far out, So it
doesn't matter. That doesn't change of the personnel or the format.
Speaker 10: Let me guess there's eleven people on the field, Well,
there's eleven people.
Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with eleven personnel. So numbers
are talking about how many tight ends and running back
in the game.
Speaker 3: Okay, So our goal here at OTB this football season
and then the lead up to educate, like to turn over
all our listeners and more educated ball nerves. I think
one thing is like I think LSU fans in general
have a really good sense and knowledge of football in general,
of the good, bad, the ugly. But we're going to
take the next deep dive. So we talked about this
is real basic stuff. We talked about how people verbalize
personnels on offense and so will you hear it a lot?
You hear you know, thirty one twelve twenty one personnel
whatever it is. So we just started out with what
we talk eleven and twelve personnel. So basically, you have,
besides the lineman and the quarterback, you have five skill
positions between wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs. So
that tells you the first number, Okay, the first number
is how many back running back types, so running backs
or fullbacks would be the first number, and then the
second number would be tight ends. How many tight ends
are in the game. And then there's not a third number,
it's just the remainder of the five total people that
are receivers. So eleven personnel, if the it tells you
how many running backs and how many tight ends? Yeah,
so how many tight ends? How many running backs and
tight ends are there in eleven personnel?
Speaker 9: One one running back?
Speaker 3: How many receivers would that.
Speaker 2: Be if you had three?
Speaker 3: Maybe three? Yeah, exactly? What about twelve personnel?
Speaker 9: How many it would be two running backs and two
tight ends that.
Speaker 2: Would be Yeah, so it'd be one twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought I was going to personnel. The first
one's running back.
Speaker 9: So one running back, one running.
Speaker 3: Back or two tight tight ends? And how many receivers
two receivers, So let's switch it twenty one personnel.
Speaker 10: It'd be two running backs, one tight end, two receivers.
Speaker 3: Very very good, let's go fall all, No, how about this?
What about what about ten personnel?
Speaker 9: One running back, no tight ends?
Speaker 3: How many four receivers there? It is?
Speaker 2: You know, more than got it? A lot of people.
Speaker 3: Let's go ball knower.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well done, so you can.
Speaker 9: So you could do any number personnel, any.
Speaker 3: Number five you can do. Yeah, zero five personnel.
Speaker 9: Okay, there was, But eleven and twelve are the most common.
Speaker 3: Eleven twelve back in the days one one okay, yeah,
I would say eleven eleven's big and eleven ten is huge.
I mean, four wide is a big thing.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of zero personnel.
Speaker 3: Zero personnel would be five wide, right, a.
Speaker 9: Lot of ten personnel like hello receivers, right, empty zero,
So you just throw hello receivers out there?
Speaker 3: Five five, five wide, five line on QB.
Speaker 4: Like a pony personnel A twenty personnel and two backs.
Speaker 2: No titans.
Speaker 3: So you got you got spotters on the other team
that are watching personnels run back and forth, and they're
changing their defensive personnel, right, and so we talked about
it the other day. Yeah, base defense is four defensive backs.
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, nick would be five, okay,
time would be six DB's okay, and quarter personnel is seven.
So pretty much four defensive linements seven DB's. That's what
the team is. Like. You don't see it a lot.
That's the team that's running prefen. You can do it
in preview. Yeah, so you got spotders. So they watched
the offense run back and forth. They know who's in
the game, they know it's eleven personnel, and then they
see a tight end run in the game, They're like, okay,
it's twelve personnel with twelve car and they'll run up.
They'll be like base defense, base defense, and they'll run
a linebacker out there for the nickel.
Speaker 10: So this feels obvious. But on here, I'm gonna guess this.
You wrote O O C O O T E lineman, lineman, center, lineman, lineman, tackle, edge,
tight end, tight end. Oh the tight ends right here.
Oh it's like linean, lineman, center, lineman, linmon and the
tight end on.
Speaker 2: The ball always have to be But I just that's.
Speaker 9: Just how you did it, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even like worry about like seven.
Speaker 3: It has to be seven on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, I messed up and put they
got too far up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be seven people on the line
of scrimmage, even when you're playing Arkansas in two thousand
and seven and you hit a sixty five.
Speaker 3: Yard rail even then, especially then details matter of fellas,
Yeah they do. They definitely right there. You got ball.
Speaker 4: But uh, different people have different ways to draw the center.
Some people put it a square and then the other
linemen are circles.
Speaker 2: I've seen people put a que which makes sense. People
do it. I put a C.
Speaker 3: With a squiggly.
Speaker 2: Some people put an X. I put a C R
a square.
Speaker 8: Typically, I think I've seen it's always square circle circ Yeah,
square with a little squiggling.
Speaker 3: The squiggly supposed to be like if you draw it up,
it's a square with a little circle in the middle,
which is the football. So that's but it's just like
you draw a square and just quickly like squiggle little squiggly. Yeah.
But yeah, if the tight end is on the ball
to one side, you got one receiver to that side,
receiver off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the receiver.
Speaker 3: It's all line scrimmers the tight end.
Speaker 9: There's too many out there.
Speaker 2: Line seven on the line on the other side, you'll
have a receiver on the ball. Yeah, so that makes
your seven.
Speaker 3: You can't you can have more than seven, but anybody
past that seventh person cannot route. So if the tight
ends on the line of scrimmage and the receiver to
that side is on the line of scrimmage, only one
of them can go out for a pass.
Speaker 9: Okay, that makes sense.
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