WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:10.679 S e O and JP Sorrow. He's a lapsed fan 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.679 and all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:22.359 I never seen anything. And it's the laps Fan name 5 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.039 by the one in the ring. Forget about Slado. He 6 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.280 the real king of swing when the bell goes in 7 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.120 and the kick like me throwing in the corner. But 8 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:31.280 it's lash like stick. 9 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.719 Even Jerry King can sake off the crowd nodded in. 10 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:35.359 His head like it. 11 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:37.560 Steve low Brown, would you get low down? 12 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:39.079 Go even high up? 13 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:40.200 Flipp you on your head? 14 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.960 But you know cool driver, you speak more now and 15 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:45.920 dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head 16 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.640 treats higher drop a more truth than the con of 17 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.359 sniper unless you would a coconut. 18 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.039 Roddy Piper, Jack a JP. 19 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.479 He like j Y d drop the cupcakes and gold. 20 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.799 The brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the 21 00:00:58.880 --> 00:00:59.520 close cloud. 22 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.479 If you all been as a plassic a pose, laps 23 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.000 Fan continues to have the best listeners in all of podcasting. 24 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.879 M HM mail bag continues to fill at a rate 25 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.079 Actually forget continues. The lapse Fan mail bag is filling 26 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.519 at a rate here's four unknown. Yes, there's growth happening, 27 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:25.280 there's significant needs being met, there's significant carrots being dangled. Yes, 28 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.599 And the only thing that stands between I don't know 29 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:37.359 you and damn nation is the co chairs deciding your worthiness. Indeed, 30 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.480 and here we are once again as we turn to 31 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.159 the mail bag in such a way Boss that I 32 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.280 have you know at this point it's getting so ridiculous. 33 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.799 I don't know if it's because you know, the Sports 34 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:52.120 Podcast Award organization named a wrestling Podcast of the Year 35 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.200 thanks in part to those great fans we referenced. I 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.920 don't probably, probably because you're the folks advice just had 37 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.840 to acknowledge that, you know, we're going to do unheard 38 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:03.840 properly for the next season of Dark Side of the Ring. 39 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.280 We've got to get your co chairs in studio. Yep. 40 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.759 I don't know if it's live calls of things like 41 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:11.919 the World Rumble and Elimination Chamber this year that we're 42 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:15.919 also newsworthy and people just need the co chairs reactions. 43 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.240 You know, if you hang on, if you hang on 44 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:23.319 our reactions, then you tell me what the power dynamic is. 45 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:33.520 And there's need, there's desire, There is no problem ah, 46 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.840 I think that's all correct. I think that's a wise 47 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:41.039 take on point, and so as as we have always 48 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.560 made it a practice of doing, when things get a 49 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.280 little too backed up in the mailroom, we take the 50 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.919 time to tip our cap to the folks that make 51 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:52.879 all this possible, that fuel the engine. It's like, it's 52 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.680 like miracle on thirty fourth Street, it really is. They 53 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.599 dump it right in the judge's desk there. I love 54 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:04.000 that visual. That is essentially what it is. And we're 55 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.919 fortunate that we have the smartest fans in podcasting. They 56 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:11.840 send us the most hilarious, thoughtful, and sightful correspondences and 57 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:18.759 oftentimes well written oftentimes, and it makes for very It 58 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:20.800 makes for great audio in and of itself, and that's 59 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:23.159 part of the virtuous circle we always talk about around here. 60 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.919 Going on our eleventh year, if you can believe it, 61 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:28.879 I'm starting to feel it, starting to feel it on 62 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.479 our own right. It takes longer to recover, doesn't it. 63 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.319 Just yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Definitely, there's 64 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.840 some significant pain. And we do the pain because you 65 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:41.759 make it worth it, and the second you don't make 66 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.319 it worth it, the pain stops and you never hear 67 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:48.159 from us again a while it continues to be worth 68 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.599 it your co chairs take to the airwaves. And like 69 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.520 I said, it's getting so crazy that we might have 70 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:56.960 to start instituting a more regular clip of these feedback 71 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.360 episodes because they're just too money. There's just too many 72 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.719 iconic moments that have sprouted up organically organic phenomenon if 73 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:12.639 you will, as oh yes, organic phenomenon as yodaful. We've 74 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.400 touched on our recent conquests and so yeah, this mail 75 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.160 bag contains feedback to the Twin Peaks journey under the 76 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.399 cinemat and achievement if there ever was one behind the 77 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:26.040 Patreon paywall, feedback to the aforementioned premium live events, feedback 78 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.240 to our most recent event, WWF European Rampage again in 79 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.079 Germany in nineteen ninety two, and my god, and people 80 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.160 find things to say about that one I would hope 81 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.600 so rumbles World War three so much to get to 82 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.959 and keep them coming, folks, the lapsed fan at gmail 83 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:46.360 dot com, and we'll continue to service the account as 84 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:50.680 we see fit. And I don't even know where to 85 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.199 start here. I mean, were going to start with the 86 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.800 most recent stuff that we received in response to the 87 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:59.399 forementioned Germany show. But there are some housekeeping matters that 88 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:03.199 we ought to you take this time to address to folks. 89 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:07.160 They definitely need to be reminded that pro wrestling teas 90 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.639 and chop teas, oh yes, remain on fire, oh yes, 91 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.759 and remain very active and as you might be plotting 92 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.439 your own on the ground WrestleMania experience this year, wouldn't 93 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:20.680 wouldn't hurt at all to fly the lapsed flag and 94 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.680 let let folks know who do know that you get 95 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:28.399 it that you're a fan. Listen, listen. There's no greater feeling. Okay, 96 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.879 there is no great confirm than when you're in a 97 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:39.600 strange place for the uh, you know, the Carne show 98 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:44.759 of Carnie shows and you get that you're a fan 99 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:49.040 and not that's it. That's all you need, That's all 100 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.240 I need, right And it's fantastic. It is a fantastic thing. 101 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.879 So especially especially since we're not going to be on 102 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.519 the ground this year, that we need people to uh 103 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.600 we need to share those. Take photos. If you weren't 104 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.519 into each other, take photos, put them on the Twitter thing, 105 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.240 email us. I want to see it. I want to 106 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:13.319 see I want to see the solar system collide. Yes, 107 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.759 in Las Vegas now more than ever, Now, more than ever, 108 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:22.079 power of the solar system needs to be made manifest. 109 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.920 And of course we're heading into WrestleMania ourselves, planning of 110 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:28.399 course that premium live call in a way that we 111 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:32.360 haven't done for years for WrestleMania. So a long time, yes, 112 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:34.759 and a lot I mean since uh, I mean certainly 113 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:40.120 since COVID. I think COVID was the first time. Well 114 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.160 they did now, they did the they did the Cody 115 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.360 seth rollins Mania. We weren't at where Cody came back. 116 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.040 That was like three years ago. Wait, so that was 117 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.480 definitely post COVID. Okay, all right, that would have been 118 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.800 the one where Austin stun Vince one last time. Oh yeah, 119 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:56.800 Oh that was in Texas, right, that was the yeah, 120 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.279 because they went back to Texas for some fucking reason. 121 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:03.519 Right the rest? Goddamn, is this the third time they bet? No, No, 122 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.879 this is Vegas. I'm thinking of fucking New Orleans. Are 123 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:08.439 they going to New Orleans again? Yeah, they're going to 124 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.800 New Orleans next year. So stupid three years like time, 125 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.600 they're really testing, like the the novelty of Mania when 126 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.560 it's becoming very clear that it just goes to whoever 127 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:20.680 pays top dollar, and look, all the power to them 128 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.480 if that's the strategy that they're obliged to pursue as 129 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.639 a publicly traded company. But I'm not obliged to enjoy it. 130 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.879 I'm not obliged to feign enthusiasm. No, I'm good, right, 131 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.639 that's right. I mean I'm in a Vegas plenty of times, folks. Yeah, yeah, 132 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.000 that was kind of it. I mean, Vegas and Easter 133 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.439 just kind of ohh, that's coming up more and more. 134 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.160 I think people are starting to really put the pieces together, like, yeah, 135 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.600 it's a tough ask, it's a tough ask, and come 136 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:47.439 to find out, I think it was a I think 137 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.720 Meltzer even said that they actually are going because it's Easter, 138 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.759 and Vegas is paying them because it's typically such a 139 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.360 slow weekend and that's why the money's on the table 140 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.360 to attract them in the first place. Right. So you know, 141 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.519 if there's one if there's one group of fans of 142 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.120 something that you can count on to see, I can 143 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.279 I can see uh, I can see a bunch of 144 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.759 like you know, you know, uh, casino owners who are 145 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.600 like they want to come you know that's fine. You know, 146 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.160 they want to come, they want to come into Vegas grade. 147 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.560 You know what we could do, Yeah, you know we 148 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.079 could do you know what if we tell them to 149 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:24.800 come went east and weekend, you know that weekend there's 150 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.600 always so fucking bullshit, no ways here for that. We 151 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.199 have to do it. Then, you know, then if they 152 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:34.000 fucking fail, it's no big loss on us. You know, 153 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:37.399 we didn't do anything wrong. Yes, it was a hobday weekend. 154 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:40.000 If it's a big it's a big deal. You know, 155 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.840 if it's a success, then we get a fucking you know, 156 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.320 we get fucking people like you know, chugging the quarters 157 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.200 down on fucking throats, see the vision? What is wrong 158 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.679 with you? And then uh, they'll you think the talents 159 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:57.039 kids will get Easter baskets delivered to their hotels. Oh, absolutely, 160 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.600 like trips will see yeah yeah, yeah, be kind of 161 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:05.519 you know, a bunch of Cadbury eggs all over the place. Well, 162 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:08.399 you know they call it Cody Burry eggs, so they 163 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.840 are well, we'll certainly be sated with Uh. Actually maybe 164 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.639 they're burying Cody twos. That might actually be very it 165 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.919 needs to be seen. They're certainly working on John Cena 166 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.519 brother as we'll get to but yeah, we'll be sated 167 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.679 with Pirogi and fucking uh kill Boss up by the 168 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.679 time Night two rolls around. Absolutely, this is uh absolutely 169 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:30.559 now more than ever a Patreon dot com slash, the 170 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.279 lapsed fan, the way to justify existence, the way to 171 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:37.759 uh get get plugged into the main line, if you will, 172 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.399 the main line that cast, and of course add free 173 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.799 versions of the main show such as this one available 174 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.519 for your Patreon dollar as well. But this WrestleMania season, 175 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.799 it is in fact the place to be, and they're 176 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.240 ramping up Saturday Night's main events, which will be covering 177 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.360 It's gonna be very very busy and in a very 178 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.600 very good way. But again, uh, Pro Wrestling teas that 179 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.960 the store is Choco Block. Uh there's a Twin Peaks show. Yeah, yeah, 180 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.960 we got well, we've got a bunch of Twin Peaks shirts. 181 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:06.200 Actually we've got well, there are two actually the bunch 182 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:10.279 are too. They're the Lapsed Peaks shirt. And then there's 183 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:15.440 also welcome to what we Do shirt on there, which 184 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.120 is great with the Twin Peaks with actually, well for 185 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.039 those of us, for those who have a keen eye, 186 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:25.559 there are actually three peaks for Triple H Welcome to 187 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:29.480 what we do. So there are three peaks. Actually there's 188 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:33.600 also a brand new show fight as we go through 189 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:37.000 the loose translations of what professional wrestling is from the 190 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.519 the original German Last time we were with you and uh, 191 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:46.559 the Lapse Academy of of of what of arts and science? 192 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.159 Arts and sciences? Yes, the Lapse Academy of Arts and Sciences. 193 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.360 So there's that and then love that one. You'll see 194 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.840 that one on yours truly at some point absolutely is 195 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:59.840 my prediction. And uh, then you know down hopefully you 196 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.200 know they I'll say they haven't. It's it's weird that 197 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.360 they haven't gotten back to us already. But there is 198 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.159 a Bavarian Cream Yeah, you know, it was coming shirt. 199 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.159 I'm just waiting for their approval. I can't imagine it 200 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.080 wouldn't get approved, but there's there's nothing there that would. 201 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.240 We've certainly done. Also, we've done more you know, uh 202 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.440 you know on the nose, yeah, spoof shirts than that one. Yeah, 203 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:28.000 this one is sort of less on the nose and 204 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.120 more on the lip and chin of Auto Vans. A 205 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:38.559 good point. The Barian Cream Auto Vance, which is in 206 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.840 uh you know it's a it's a play on an 207 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.519 old Dusty road shirt. Yeah. Yeah, there's an American Dream 208 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.320 Dusty Road shirt with just something just like that. See, 209 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:51.399 I was hoping for that, but I wasn't. I didn't 210 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.480 remember one. I'm trying to, like think of a time 211 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.840 he's worn an American Dream shirt to the to the ring, 212 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:57.799 and I just couldn't think of it. I don't. I 213 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.279 don't know if he ever wore to the ring, but 214 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.559 this was one that popped up right away, that kind 215 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:08.080 of same design. Yeah, yep, So that's that was That 216 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.240 was so much fun to get into what it was 217 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.919 like to be a German wrestling fan. Courtesy of Ben. 218 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.600 Just another another proof point of what it is that 219 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.759 we we bring uniquely to the table when we activate 220 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:25.759 our collective power and put the collective ahead of the individual. 221 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.919 You know, That's that's what we stand in testament to. 222 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.440 And Lindsey Uh was quick to say, you know what, 223 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.240 if this is, if this is going to be a 224 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.360 show about UH German wrestling, we got to send hopefully 225 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.279 can get this to you. We just simply have to 226 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.200 send a link to this image, which I I find 227 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.440 myself having a hard time disagreeing with boss. If you 228 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.320 want to take a look, what are we seeing here? 229 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.840 I mean it's it's it's uh, it's Hogan in his 230 00:12:55.960 --> 00:13:01.519 best October feesh gear. What was that from? That's from 231 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.840 a I have no fucking ideas when he had because 232 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:06.799 I've seen a hundred pictures of him. Yeah, I've seen 233 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:08.879 him wear in the stupid outfit before too. It definitely 234 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:12.399 looks like you know, early to mid nineties whole Cogan 235 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.120 staring at Germany tour. I mean he looks like a perf. 236 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.159 I mean he's also got his hands covering his crotch, 237 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:21.919 like like, what are you doing there? Extremely questionable? Yeah, 238 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:28.559 he's he's covering his brat, someone wrote. Someone wrote on 239 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:37.519 Reddit leader Hogan. Someone wrote, we posted the show dust 240 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:44.840 cast fucking straightforward and clear cost So yeah, pro Wrestling 241 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:49.960 Teas dot Com cooking uh with takes on lines and 242 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.399 inspirations from the most recent shows. It's just sprouting up 243 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.080 like organic phenomenon. And we encourage you because actually that 244 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.799 should probably be a shirt too. Thanks. Mean, I've been 245 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.960 saying it enough for God's sakes. I think that's twice 246 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.279 this episode, if not three times. But of course Dicky 247 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.080 shot Tease has got your higher end apparel beyond T shirts. 248 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:14.039 He's got your your hoodies and jackets and fanny packs 249 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:18.960 and pants and hats, sweatmans, so much cool stuff. Yep, 250 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:21.879 really elevating the game. Shout out to everybody who saw 251 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.360 boss Man rock the Letterman jacket on Unhurt. That's right, 252 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:28.960 And you know there's a funny there's a funny story 253 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:34.440 there too, because it's it's just a little in the sleeves. 254 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.919 It's a little snug, well in me in the studio too. 255 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.000 I mean it's well, not only not only that, like, yeah, 256 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:42.639 so it's a little Number one is a little snug 257 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.639 on the arms and number two, you know, that was 258 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:48.720 I don't know what was that our I guess was 259 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.960 our second recording, but it was already hot in the 260 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:54.480 studio by that point. And so as soon as and 261 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:57.080 I and I was fortunate that I had kind of 262 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.200 a bird's eye view of the monitors, so I could 263 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.279 see what was actually you know, what camera was hot, right, 264 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:10.879 and so I you know the moment that it was 265 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.679 it was the two shot of Jack and Evan. I 266 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.240 immediately started like taking this thing off because it was 267 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:19.320 so fucking up. But I'm also trying to be like 268 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:23.639 as quiet as possible, but it's not necessarily working that way, 269 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.919 and the panic is setting in. Let's be honest. Yeah, 270 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.679 the thing is, I was starting to feel very, very constricted. 271 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.679 I could feel like I was I was definitely getting 272 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:34.639 the claustrophobia, like I was never gonna be able to 273 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:37.600 get his fucking jacket off of ever, and so I'm 274 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.639 like freaking out. But fortunately he didn't get You know, 275 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:43.879 the guy was smart enough. Oh he was good en us, 276 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:45.320 smart enough. He fucking knew what he was doing. But 277 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.279 he was he he knew enough to like say, oh, yeah, 278 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.480 he's fucking struggling with the jacket. I'm gonna not go 279 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.120 to him. Absolutely, yes, And that's not your burden to 280 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.799 carry because that was a limited run. I'm not sure 281 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:57.840 there are many left, but if there are, I'm sure 282 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.639 you would wear them and much more a prop climbs 283 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:02.440 then we found ourselves in. But we just couldn't let 284 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.279 the opportunity pass to rock that that piece. I mean, 285 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.879 that is just for sure that we need to get 286 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:09.519 on that. I needed to get it on the on 287 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:13.039 some kind of screen. So hit chop teas dot com 288 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.200 as well, and check out our laps fan store on 289 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.759 there for great gifts for the lapsed fan in your life. 290 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.600 I can imagine why you'd be listening to this show 291 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.080 just to get gift ideas for someone who does. But 292 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.919 if folks reach out, you never know, maybe we're giving 293 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:29.759 the idea to someone to give to somebody else. Whatever 294 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.000 the case may be. You want to check that store 295 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.919 out to support the podcast, of course, cameos Rocking, Boss Management, Dealing, Fielding, 296 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.120 many strange requests out there, some of which have been 297 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:43.399 complete home runs. You want to tell the people if 298 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:44.960 we haven't told them already, I don't think we have. 299 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:51.080 Some of the more recent adventures from cameo, Yeah, there was, Well, 300 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:57.279 my favorite one was there was a an April Fool's 301 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.159 joke that someone was going to play on their wife 302 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.519 and they wanted to be a voicemail of Hulk Hogan, 303 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:10.119 you know, basically saying that this guy's wife left his 304 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.400 after credit card at one of the Hogan beat shops 305 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.680 and just you know, basically go with it, Yes, and 306 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.519 you know that's what happens. Why why is why? Brother? 307 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.599 Why are you leaving a credit card my place? Dude? 308 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.000 Like what's the deal with that brother? You know, and 309 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.839 do the whole thing and then yelling at her, yelling 310 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.079 at well, I mean, because you don't. You don't just 311 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.440 do that, because you're not trying to send a secret 312 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:40.599 signal exactly. There's definitely a problem, there's something wrong, something 313 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.279 would be read into you. Oh god, it was glorious. 314 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.839 It worked. I mean, it's great, it was. You couldn't 315 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.720 tell if it was legit or if it wasn't. Sounds 316 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.359 like something else I can something else I could mention, 317 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.759 but Cameo dot com slash the laps fan, do engage 318 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.799 the rogues gallery of lapsed characters for your and your 319 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.079 friends and families enjoyment. Sometimes the till gets rather full, 320 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.400 and we apologize if we can't get back to immediately. 321 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.279 But do know we're trying to stay faithful to it 322 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:11.160 and stay on top of it. But sometimes, bus there's 323 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.559 just a burst of need on that thing. So it 324 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:17.640 comes in such interesting waves. It does, it does. I'm 325 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.440 always fascinated by how it all plays out. It's fascinating. 326 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.400 And you want to talk about kind of like a 327 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.480 virtuous circle, how we put it right back in to 328 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:29.039 the cast. I mean Cameo is not just a place 329 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.200 that you can get us, but Cameo is a place 330 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.039 where we can get the carnies right and we can 331 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.000 get them to weigh in and talk about things, and 332 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:38.400 it's always great. Not only go ahead. I'm just saying, 333 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.440 you know, because it's funny that we do that. I'm 334 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.839 actually wondering at the point. You know, I know he 335 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:47.640 probably gets God knows how many Kevin Nash gets on 336 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.759 a regular basis. You know, he probably gets hundreds every day. 337 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.279 But I do wonder if you know, we've I wonder 338 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.720 how many ask questions like we do. And I wonder 339 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.200 if you recognize I mean aways coming from me too, 340 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.480 you know, it's I always send it from my from 341 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:09.359 my like fan cameo account. It's what I do. So 342 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.359 I wonder if you, like, you know, if he ever 343 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.079 picks up on it, like, oh, there's the same fucking 344 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.720 guy again. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it really 345 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.559 is just function of how many come in. Yeah, right, Eventually, 346 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.839 eventually someone will blow up our spot, because that's how 347 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.599 people are. But I mean, I don't think it's blown 348 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.039 up mainlys. I mean it's not like oh they don't care, No, 349 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.319 they care, but if yeah, it's uh, I think we're 350 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:33.960 not the only ones that do it too, Like it's 351 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:35.839 just a it's a great way to get a question 352 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:37.839 without having to deal with the actual person, right, And 353 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.759 I'm sure they're happy to to pocket that money and 354 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.599 take as long as they feel, like, you know, it's 355 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:45.480 not like they're they're committing to sit down for two hours, 356 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.240 you know, the easiest money they've ever made. They love 357 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:50.759 it exactly and especially you know the last one and 358 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:52.599 asking to get a kick out of it. Yeah, they 359 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.079 actually enjoy it too. Yeah, you don't know until you 360 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.160 know if the guy actually is game for the using 361 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.039 cameo that way. Some have been like, I've never got 362 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.039 a request like ever Demon Dudley during the Lapsed Funk 363 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.920 he was no during a No. I don't think we 364 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.759 engaged them for TNH. It was it was the one 365 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.839 where during the CID Journey where we got to CID's 366 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.599 easy w run and we're asking, like why Sid called 367 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:16.880 Bubba Prima Donna one time on a shoot interview or 368 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.920 something you know you could tell you like didn't read 369 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.839 it before he hit record, and he like came upon 370 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.200 this question. I love when they do that like it's 371 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:28.039 so so funny, screeching hauled. Oh, it's so funny that 372 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.359 they don't, you know, they just kind of like stumble on, 373 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:35.039 Oh oh okay, uh okay, like you know, why don't 374 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.960 you read it before you press record? Just for your 375 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:44.440 own you know protection. But exactly, it's not only you know, 376 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:46.720 a resource that you can engage us with. It's not 377 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.200 only a resource that we can engage the wrestling community with, 378 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.359 but the solar system writ large can engage folks on 379 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:55.279 our behalf as well. You know, they're just like, oh, 380 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:56.720 this would be fun. Let me let me throw this 381 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.359 to the coach here see what uh gentleman Ax has 382 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.440 to say. And one of the great one of the 383 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.559 Hall of Fame contributors in that regard has been Zach 384 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.160 And we most recently did an episode of course, on 385 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.799 the nineteen eighty six WWF Slammy Awards and the wrestling 386 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:13.480 album the music album the WWF for released in late 387 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.160 nineteen eighty five, featuring all these wrestlers carrying on like 388 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:19.480 a bunch of fools, and we noted in the what 389 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.039 was it called the No No, No, No? What was 390 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.519 the song, oh Land of one thousand Dances Land of 391 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.079 a Thousand Dances music video. With all the w W wrestlers, 392 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:29.799 we were trying to find people, you know that that 393 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.319 were perhaps had books or had recollections of being on 394 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.319 that shoot, and Tito Santana was one of them, but 395 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:37.960 we didn't get in touch with him, but Zach reached out. 396 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.559 Wasn't a huge loss. It wasn't a huge miss on 397 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.319 our part, come to find out. Never is as Tito 398 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.720 has a way of putting a postage damp on these 399 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:49.039 if you catch my drift, but bless his heart, the 400 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.680 former Intercontinental champion here courtesy of Zach and this is 401 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:56.480 this is the magic, this is w W. 402 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:05.400 E just finishing my workout and I've gotta get this in. 403 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:13.720 Jack Brother, you asked me, or maybe your buddy Zach Roller. 404 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:17.920 Dude, asking me to send it to you. 405 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.960 Jack. You guys want to know about any recollections I 406 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:29.079 have about the stories of filming the WWT record album 407 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:29.960 in the eighties. 408 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:31.519 Oh my god, He's well. 409 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:35.640 I had never done anything like that, and I the 410 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:39.880 only way I could carry a tune is if somebody 411 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.200 put it in a box and I carry it somewhere. 412 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:47.480 I just know that I was not doing a good job, 413 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.960 and we just kept doing it over and over and over, 414 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:57.200 and I'm sure my voice was not coming across. 415 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:01.000 Very nice, okay, but it was fun. I knew we 416 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.240 were doing something different. 417 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.240 I had no idea where we were headed, but it 418 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.759 turned out to be a great album and the fans love. 419 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:11.079 I don't know where you're headed. 420 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.200 And many, many years later, people like you are still 421 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:16.079 talking about it. 422 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:23.240 Marks right, Oh my god, it's always this is w 423 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.000 w E. Hall of Famer. I love to start every time. 424 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:33.240 I mean it's like he's reading it. It's like he's reading, 425 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.559 you know, like like his own introduction, you know, like 426 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.759 but without with like awful glasses, you know, Yeah, this 427 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:49.799 is w w E. Well, at least he does. He 428 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.200 isn't one of the overchargers on the platform, So that's 429 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.920 that's uh yeah, that's to his credit. Someone made a 430 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:58.000 great suggestion. And at least he doesn't fucking spend spend 431 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.200 like eight hours going around as fucking office with all 432 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.160 of his memorabilia like steamboat. Yeah right, you get that, 433 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:09.599 no matter the worst and that's not the best. But interestingly, 434 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.920 someone had posted I thought it was it was a 435 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.079 great idea. We should just have Tito on every show 436 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.519 we do, even if he wasn't on it. Oh, that's 437 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.240 a good idea. Just ask him about it, Just fucking 438 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:26.400 say what did you think star K ninety one? Tito? 439 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.160 Tell us your thoughts about uh, you know e CW 440 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:36.119 heat Wave up my ass? Now, I do remember the show, 441 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.720 but I looked it up and here's what I would say. 442 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.359 Get a little too close to David Lynch there, But 443 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:47.160 that's okay, We'll have plenty of time for that today. 444 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:52.119 You say, you know, give him a random like Japanese 445 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.920 show and say, what are his memories of that? What 446 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.480 are memories of some like Kobashi Misawa match, what are 447 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.319 your memories of uh Antonio and Oki and Billy Robinson 448 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:11.599 in seventy six? Well, I really wasn't in the business yet. 449 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.720 It's there to answer your question, ladies and gentlemen, Merce said, 450 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:19.960 so lice, let's not forget Merce said, okay, Merce said, 451 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:25.079 we're said at all there, Yes, but again, just another 452 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:28.200 example the Germany show and Ben bringing the German to 453 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.839 the table that cameo there from Zack. Just another example 454 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.160 of things that wouldn't exist if this podcast didn't exist. 455 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.000 You see what I'm saying, like, yes, it's it's not 456 00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:39.799 just all out there for the taking, and we happen 457 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:44.359 to grab it. We we bring the alchemy and long 458 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:46.960 made continue mm hm. 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All right, Let's get to the mail bag. 499 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.359 And this is this is Scott coming in recently with 500 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:58.039 a great suggestion. Scott wants you to know, Boss that 501 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.000 he's all four episodes of Lapsed characters going to breakfast 502 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.240 diners and ordering food and the interactions with the staff, 503 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:07.799 and the finale being Vader pulling up in the snow 504 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.440 at every single time. I mean, yeah, it has to 505 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.920 be Vader coming out and just like you know, just 506 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.480 throwing shit. Oh it's mister Salis again. What would you 507 00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:24.039 like today? Hun? This is this is w w E 508 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:30.960 Hall of Famer Tito Santana. I would like to order 509 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:39.119 three scrambled eggs ops to Tato. I think it just 510 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:47.119 has a side of breakfast potatoes. He would call him that, 511 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:51.920 he would you know what else? You know what got 512 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.720 our our Bob, our homie Bob. On the most recent episode, 513 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:00.640 he writes, Bavarian cream. I nearly choked on my Sicilian 514 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:07.599 sandwich on this holiday trip with lungs and spleen. He advises, 515 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.559 I think rather wisely does Robert. You shouldn't eat and 516 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.359 listen to TLF And by the way, the sandwich was 517 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.079 awesome and goot our bite. Ben. He's not the first 518 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.359 person to say that. Shout out to Ben, the Solar 519 00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:24.319 System member that did just heretofore unheard amount of research 520 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.559 to assist the podcast and getting an episode across the 521 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.119 line that we probably couldn't have approached without without him 522 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.559 and his dedication. So I think that's really that's really 523 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.519 a gold the gold star for the quarter. Yes, okay, yes, no, 524 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.160 I don't hesitate to shine that one up. Nick has 525 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.000 a great suggestion. He says, you know what, fuck that, 526 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.319 get all these meats and cheeses on a board and 527 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.720 call it a sharp shooter reboard. That is spectacular. So 528 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.359 if we ever have a little get together with little 529 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.359 Finger Meats, Boss, I think the sharp shootery board is 530 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.559 at all, definitely, definitely a sharp shooter reboard. Fantastic. Well, 531 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:57.839 it needs to be on there. I mean, what do 532 00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.599 you see, what do you what do you taste? I'm 533 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:04.240 gonna say a lot of Canadian beef, well, Canadian soul. 534 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.240 We have the best in the world, the best beef, 535 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:10.240 and we got the best beef, like really, I mean, 536 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.079 I'm sure it's delicious. I've never heard of it though, 537 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.519 I know I've never heard of Canadian beef. I know 538 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.720 there's a lot of cattle and ship and cowboys out there. 539 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.480 You gotta stampedes after all, you know your Calgary Stampedes 540 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.759 and ship. But yeah, now I don't know about this 541 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.480 Canadian Canadian buff As we always want to do on 542 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.400 these feedback shows. Tips of the cap to folks that 543 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.680 have joined us anew or again on Patreon and are 544 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.400 pledging their support to us in denominations. We gotta do 545 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.799 the fundraising drive, folks. It's like NPR, you know, every 546 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.359 now and then, every now and then, we've got to 547 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.359 We've got to fight back existential threats. We've got to 548 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.839 fight back people that lose sight of why it is 549 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:53.039 that they sit on our every word and our every 550 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.359 uh you know. Point of feedback and Heith Harshman, longtime 551 00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.000 supporter of the show. Great to see him back in 552 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.000 the fold. Thank you very much for your pledge and 553 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.319 we'll continue working our way down the list for you, 554 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.559 Mike writes on Patreon, which is another reason, by the way, 555 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.279 to Pledge. Just hilarious back and forth from Pledging members. 556 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.920 It's absolutely amazing underneath the audio file of the latest 557 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.160 offering from your co chairs, just such great insight. We 558 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.200 can always count if we trip up and hit a 559 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.279 point on a show where we're not sure about something, 560 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.599 or something doesn't make sense, or we we make some 561 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.680 stupid error, like what is it we called, Oh my god, 562 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.880 la May we call it the outfit the clothing lame, 563 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.720 a lame outfit instead of a La May outfit, which 564 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.359 I've never honestly never heard of. I mean, might be 565 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:44.000 a lame outfit, right, you know? And we said something 566 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.799 of Pam. Uh for one of the albums the Theater 567 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.160 of said Theater of Pain. We said Theater of Pam. 568 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.400 Someone said that it's like an album about Bailey, you know, 569 00:31:54.440 --> 00:32:00.319 I'd like you remember we were talking about how the 570 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.720 hell Carson Schaeffer could claim to have seen Triple H 571 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:08.200 backstage at WrestleMania eleven in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, that 572 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.440 makes no sense, Mike writes. Triple H may have been 573 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.720 at WrestleMania eleven. He left WCW in January nineteen ninety five. 574 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.960 His vignettes ran on WWFTV in April nineteen ninety five, 575 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.960 which means they would have had to be filmed before then. 576 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.599 That leaves open the possibility he was with the company 577 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.960 in March of that year. A little not so fun 578 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.559 trivia Triple H's first televised match are at April thirtieth, 579 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.119 nineteen ninety five, defeating buck Zoomhoff. Oh that's a fucking 580 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.920 ugh wow that is That's not a good trivia question. 581 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.680 I'll tell you that. Not at all. Recently and under 582 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.880 the cinnamat we went back to the covid era. Thanks 583 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.599 we did. I tell people who you know might be 584 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.359 listening to this on the main feed and are hipped 585 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.000 utd of the cinemat yet, how it is you brilliantly 586 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.119 pivoted off of that one of a kind David Lynch 587 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.200 twin Peaks journey. What do we get ourselves into maybe 588 00:32:54.200 --> 00:33:00.000 a little lockdown scenario? I mean, yeah, you know, oftentimes 589 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.920 I like to if I know we're going in a 590 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.480 certain direction after you know, after if we're going, if 591 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.319 we're doing some kind of a long journey we're doing 592 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.920 like a big, big movie, I like to counterbalance it 593 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:21.480 with something that is absolutely atrocious and is just some 594 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:25.480 of the worst fucking cinema you could possibly imagine. And 595 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.759 you know, it's it's not the nicest thing to say, 596 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.480 but you're you're gonna be in luck with that when 597 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.680 it comes to Kevin Nash, because a lot of his 598 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:41.400 movies are just absolute garbage. And it's kind of funny 599 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.480 because because he's got so many, like he's a kind 600 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.680 of a fifty to fifty, you know, record in terms 601 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.799 of you know, big, good, big movies and crappy small movies. 602 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:58.759 It's really a fifty to fifty. So we've been able 603 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.039 to confirm to the aforementioned Cano channels that he's very 604 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.039 self aware about what movies he's done that are ship 605 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:06.240 and which movies he's done aren't. Necessarily he's one of 606 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.719 the best ones we've ever gotten, was him commenting for 607 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.440 this episode on this movie. He called it, Yes, he 608 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:15.159 called it a It was like being on a sophomore 609 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.960 in high school student film COVID nineteen as COVID nineteen Invasion, 610 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:32.840 sometimes called lockdown. But man, what a Sometimes sometimes it's 611 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.719 just you got to go, you know, hey, you know 612 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.079 you got to have We get to hurt too sometimes 613 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.320 and I'm okay, with us, with putting us through that. 614 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:56.800 He's a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 615 00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.400 knows the boys need their candy. It's the last fan. 616 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.320 He's an elapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and. 617 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.840 We were asking, we were wondering on the episode what 618 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.320 what uh I s D stood for. We came upon 619 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.519 some clips somewhere IDU was independent school district thanks to Austin, 620 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.119 a Texan in his own right. I think it might 621 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.119 have been in one of the stories. Yeah, that's a 622 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.320 good that's a good one. It's his I s D 623 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.199 often levy good. I s D is often levy property 624 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.800 taxes and all non exempt property with I know what 625 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.599 it was, right, the I s D. That was the 626 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.159 That was because they were selling this school that the 627 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:57.239 director of the film wanted to buy because they shot 628 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.800 in there. They they well, yeah, yeah yeah, and he 629 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.079 wanted to buy this building to make it a film studio. 630 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.400 Amazing FU A lot more from that from that, what 631 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.039 is it? Micah what Micah lyons? Michah lions the director. 632 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.880 We get to know him quite well on the episode. 633 00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:15.280 But what's Marshall Texas, by the way, is part of 634 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.239 what the ISD would be here? Right. In this case, 635 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:24.840 he says, does Austin Marshall, Texas. The Marshall is SD 636 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:26.880 would be in charge of purchasing and selling the building, 637 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.119 So that would have been the aforementioned micah Lyons would 638 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.159 have would have been talking to. But what is Marshall, 639 00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.079 Texas really known for? Austin ads Marshall was known for 640 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.599 a long time as the patent capital of the US. 641 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.119 Who knew. Wow, it's interesting by this, I mean it 642 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.159 was where the majority of patent cases are tried, which 643 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.360 led to patent trolls purposely trying cases in the US 644 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.840 Eastern Texas District Court. Here's a good write up about it. 645 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.000 He lynxius to w a BBC article with perhaps the 646 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.440 key quote being Marshall became a haven for what's called 647 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.639 patent trolls, companies that buy up old or vague patents 648 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.039 as a means to file multiple lawsuits. That's a big 649 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.440 fucking red, white and blue thumbs up right there. Wow, yep. 650 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.599 Their goal was to squeeze money out of businesses that 651 00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:05.800 decide it's easier to pay a small settlement and make 652 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.760 a case go away rather than fight it out with 653 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.159 high priced lawyers. So what they're doing is fucking They're 654 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.960 just buying patents that are out there that no one 655 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.400 cares about and then trying to find, like trying to 656 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.719 find a case out there that companies are violating a 657 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.440 patent that wasn't even there is to begin with, but 658 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.039 they now own. And it's just like it's just a 659 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:28.840 scheme to get people to just cut you quick check. 660 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.760 Is that whole area just about scamming people? Who knows? 661 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.760 What the hell Marshall Texas? Why the hell Marshall Texas 662 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.880 became ground zero for that? But I don't know, Probably not, 663 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.079 because there's honest people everywhere around there. I mean, because 664 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.719 you get the I mean, it's no different than the 665 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.679 scam that Mike Lions is putting up palaw on people. 666 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.679 In my opinion. It's not fact. It is my opinion, 667 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.519 just my opinion. I'm just going to make sure that's clear. Absolutely. Pete, 668 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.440 big shout out to you, thanks for joining the executive 669 00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.840 producer to here to enjoy the afrementioned under the cinemat 670 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:02.039 and all the other benefits there too. We talked recently 671 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.719 about fanfare for the common Man. Didn't we ayes We 672 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.719 did plays during the aforementioned WAF European Rampage television broadcast 673 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:12.119 as it aired in Germany, and Craig, along with several others, 674 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.280 mentioned to us at the version A fanfare for the 675 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.239 common Man on that wrestling show is a version done 676 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.280 by Emerson Lake and Palmer, a legendary progressive rock band. 677 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.480 That is the version that you hear on the on 678 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.559 the broadcast. He attaches us to a link of them 679 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.599 playing in nineteen ninety two, where but the Royal Albert Hall. Boss. 680 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:37.719 That's right, that's the Royal Albert Hall in my home 681 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.559 town a lot in England. MVP status fan Big Steve 682 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.679 wants you to know that he needs that Bavarian cream 683 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.719 shirt in the worst way. It's common, common in all 684 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.960 ways you can imagine. So I'll listen. It's it's it's common. 685 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.719 As soon as it gets approved, I might have to 686 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.079 fucking email them and bug them and say where the 687 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:56.760 fuck's my shirt? 688 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:56.960 Ah? 689 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.599 You may you may have remembered noting that Mike McGirk 690 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:05.440 has a penchant for saying unhaling from Glenn Falls, New York. Yes, 691 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.360 not hailing, unhaling or perhaps and haaling, and it sounds 692 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.239 like unhaling. I mean that's a that's a I mean 693 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.920 on hailing. That's how you have to say it, because 694 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.320 it definitely sounds like un like gun, right, it definitely 695 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.719 sounds like un I mean, you know, I could be wrong, 696 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.880 but it sounds like un to me. And on that point, 697 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.039 Paul on Patreon makes the brilliant point that Dugan might 698 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.559 have been unhaling from Glenn's falls, but he and Schiky 699 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.079 were certainly inhaling. In New Jersey, Bryce bar two, huge 700 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.440 shout out to you, my friend, for bumping all the 701 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.119 way up to the moat tier rarefied Air. We understand 702 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.199 it's it's a high dollar value to pay, but it's 703 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.119 our It's the rider die t here. It's the folks 704 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.280 that are, like, you know, not just doing it because 705 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:53.519 I get something out of it. It's not just about me, 706 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.960 me me, me, me me me. I'm doing it because 707 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.639 you deserve it, not just because what I get for it. 708 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.800 But we do throw you the extra b of the 709 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.880 one of a kind experience of getting on the living 710 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.679 room carpet just like it used to be. Oh yeah, 711 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.440 with mom in the background while you're watching wrestling. Mama sorrow, 712 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.280 it's wrestle, Mamia. Why don't you tell them, boss, what 713 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.599 awaits them if they can indeed afford to take that 714 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.679 Motier plunge. Well, you know we've been on you know, 715 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.719 it's it's certainly it's WrestleMania season. So right now there 716 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:30.079 is a load of WrestleMania themed matches that we lined 717 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.679 up for my mom to watch, or we I lined 718 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.960 up for my mom to watch. One of the more 719 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:45.599 recent ones was the the WrestleMania two thousand Hardcore Battle Royal. Yeah, 720 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.800 you better watch that. You better watch that. Absolutely, that's 721 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.239 a fiasco and a half. Yes it is. You know, 722 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.320 got to get her confused, she enjoys. No, she had 723 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.480 many questions. I'm sure many questions, and I'm sure you 724 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.599 know it's been a while, but I I'm sure that 725 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.719 it ended with her saying, I'm okay, if we never 726 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.000 see something like that, which, of course, if she only 727 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.639 knew better, that means we're definitely gonna see shit like 728 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.800 that again yet duly noted. But usually by the time 729 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:20.679 we get there, she's forgotten all about it. It's like 730 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.119 starting over. Yeah, yeah, because you certainly look, I've seen 731 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.079 you re explain the same set of rules within the 732 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.559 same match. Call let alone across different yes, being able 733 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.199 to remember across different different matches, so always always an 734 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:39.280 absolute joy too. And coming up though, I'll say, I mean, yeah, 735 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:46.679 it'll be, it'll be. Uh Hogan and Vince from nineteen 736 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.679 from nineteen, God, what she must think of Vince being 737 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:56.719 all bloodied and everything. Oh yeah, well it was. It 738 00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.880 was a trip. It was a fucking trip, for sure, 739 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.519 Motor David noted on her call episode one thirty five 740 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.079 of Sergeant Slaughter versus Pat Patterson from nineteen eighty one. 741 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.400 At some point she says, quote, this is a bullfight, 742 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.480 and David writes, Mama Sorrow is far more accurate than 743 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:23.119 she intended to be. Could absolutely say that again, my friend. 744 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:28.599 Oh God, as we think about the spirit of giving, 745 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.039 Zach points out on Patreon, you know, I bet it's 746 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.239 a safe bet that many TLF fans, he says, buy 747 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.159 the co Chair's Christmas gifts before anyone else in their lives. 748 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.920 And I'm thinking, thinking it through it, I'm like, you 749 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.320 know what, He's right, because it has to be that way, yes, 750 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.000 because we have to have those things secured before it 751 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.639 even makes much sense to shop for those around you. 752 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.840 But this is probably the earliest we've ever reminded folks, 753 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:58.440 don't don't sleep on it. If you've got an idea, 754 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.760 if you've got something that you think than belongs in 755 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:06.119 the till for the next unwrapping, it's it's never too early, 756 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:09.360 it's only just too late very often, get it, send 757 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.559 it in and fucking put it on. You know, I 758 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.920 got an area in my office right as pile shit up. 759 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.039 Absolutely you do, and that's that's always always open to 760 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.719 you if you want to be absolutely sure that whenever 761 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:26.480 it is your CoA chairs, make time to salute the 762 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.519 hearth as only we can. That you're part of the experience. 763 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.480 It's the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South po 764 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.440 Bucks one one nine Southbury, Connecticut zero six four eighty 765 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:42.360 eight for your unwrappening needs. Charles writes to us, we 766 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:49.039 were talking about Sean versus Savage and just how much 767 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.199 was left on the table. They never had a program, 768 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.519 you know, they really just wrestled a handful of matches. 769 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.800 It's really quite sad. And someone else pointed out, I'll 770 00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.440 shout out the name in a moment. As we were 771 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.079 fantas sizing about Savage versus Steve Austin In nineteen ninety 772 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.760 eight and WWF, yes, do you know they did wrestle 773 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:12.119 once in WSW No. Ninety five on Saturday Night. Oh wow, 774 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:16.639 stunning Steve, long blonde hair, macho man, a relatively fresh 775 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.920 in the company, and they mixed it up. So if you, 776 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.800 if you're so inclined, you can find and see and 777 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.320 sense the dynamic in ring dynamic between Savage and Austin. Now, 778 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.519 this is hardly stone cold, the stone still stunning. Steve 779 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.559 is still still phenomenal, phenomenal, It's just not the it's 780 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:37.840 not the in ring clash of styles that I think 781 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.159 you picture when you picture it in attitude. WWF. It's 782 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.920 a different worker, it's different approach. If you're stunning Steve, 783 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.079 he's bumping and feeding. I'm thinking of a baby face 784 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.000 Austin that's got to fend off a psychotic Savage, you know, 785 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.800 not a neon wearing, slim gym cracking babyface Savage, but 786 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:56.920 macho man. Verse HBK was the subject of a lot 787 00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.079 of discussion in terms of how often it happened and 788 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.360 when I think we ran down definitive listed of course, 789 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:04.239 included matches on the nineteen ninety two Post Wrestling the 790 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.440 eight European tour. Not only the Germany show we talked 791 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.199 about last time we were with you, but the European 792 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.400 show that it's say, I sorry the England show as well. 793 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.039 But Charlie writes, hello co chairs, I was listening to 794 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.880 your newest episode and my years perked up when I 795 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.000 heard your reference. A match between Randy Savage and Shawn 796 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.159 Michaels on July sixth, nineteen ninety three. I think that 797 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.320 was the last one they did, had a TV taping 798 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.280 in Wilkesburry, Pennsylvania, my hometown. I happen to have a 799 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.639 personal connection to this match, even though I was still 800 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.360 a little more than two years from being born at 801 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.320 the time. While going through some old family photos a 802 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.119 few years ago, I found a disposable camera photo of 803 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.159 the macho man standing on the apron and what looked 804 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.920 like a high school gym. After some digging on cage match, 805 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.639 I determined that it must have been taken at the 806 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:50.239 TV taping above mentioned Wilkes University Art Center. I assumed 807 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.199 my uncle, a wrestling fan to the extent that any 808 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:55.159 kid in the early eighties nineties, was rather monstev dragged 809 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.039 my grandfather along and one of the two snapped the photo. 810 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.599 I'd asked my uncle about it, but unfortunately no one 811 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.599 has seen or heard from him in a few years. 812 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.599 If you're curious, The w w returned to the March 813 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.000 Center three more times, twice at night. Probably'd probably deny 814 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.800 it happen anyway, you think, Yeah, you know once he wrestling. 815 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.800 We didn't do that ship. I never going to see 816 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:18.280 fake shit. You know, come here, sult me like that again. Hey, 817 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:23.199 you know what, give here here, give me fuck shit. 818 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:30.519 H Ever ever fucking say I watched watch fake shit again, 819 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.039 I didn't. I didn't say you watched fake ship. I 820 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.159 said you watch this man. But there it is. Look 821 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.920 at that. Imagine finding that one. That's a beautiful, that 822 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:44.960 blue pole, Randy and Sherry up on the apron. That's wild. 823 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:47.480 And to not even you know, for it to not 824 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.159 be yours, but to find it in your house and 825 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.840 to have to decode like where in your family history 826 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.000 it's from. If you're curious, he writes, The deputy return 827 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.280 to the mart Center three more times twice in nineteen 828 00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.880 ninety four. Another Superstars taping and house show not a 829 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.199 wrestling challenge shaping in nineteen ninety five. Most of the 830 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:03.960 matches are what you'd expect from a seat here town, 831 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.119 like Will Sperry Quang versus Jim Powers a main event 832 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.880 anywhere in the world. Absolutely, though a Blaze Nakano title 833 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.360 match cut my eye. I never would have ben I 834 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.480 would love it. I would love it if like Quang 835 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.079 versus Jim Power's main event in somehow show oh my, 836 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:18.519 like one of those dark matches on and in your 837 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:20.840 house after they go off the air. Yeah, right, and 838 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.639 that's your fucking main event. Like people are gone before 839 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.480 that fucking Quang. People are gone before they before the 840 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:32.480 bell rings ough to begin. Last time I said Kwang 841 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.320 was when I was trying to mouth the sounds of 842 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.920 Ken SHAMROCK's entrance thing. It's neither here nor there. I 843 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:40.920 may have went anywhere in the world. I never would 844 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:42.639 have imagined bull Knock and O of all people he 845 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.880 writes to have ever set foot in my dumpy little town. 846 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.400 Apologies for the end solicited history lesson, but it's not 847 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.840 every day I hear my hometown mentioned on my favorite podcast. 848 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.519 Thanks for reading, and hope you get a kick out 849 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:53.960 of the photo. Well, indeed, we did. We love those 850 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.039 personal mementos. You know that fans have a unique little 851 00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.679 story about that they can share with us, and that's 852 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:00.960 a good one. And you can see the wear on 853 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.360 the photo, little white dots where it's kind of been 854 00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.920 chipped away at I'd so many of those because you know, 855 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.400 you brought shitty cameras to wrestling shows you just did, 856 00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.440 and there were shadowy shots from far away from the 857 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.920 ring and still, you know, why do you think you 858 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.679 think you're you're getting ah, you think you know, like 859 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:25.079 you're taking like sports magazine worthy. Yes, you do photos 860 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.159 like you think you're going to get actual action shots, 861 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:29.440 you know, like you want to get like I try 862 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.480 to get shots if someone jumping off the top rope 863 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.519 and they're in mid air and it's like they're just 864 00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.599 a blurry fucking mess, always a mess. It's always always 865 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.800 pitch black in the background. Yeah, yeah, yep, they're always 866 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:42.119 like doing something not athletic when you when you happen 867 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.719 to snap the photo. But when you're looking through the lens, man, 868 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.079 it's not like a you know, it's not like a 869 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.639 camera phone where you essentially see the picture you're going 870 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.400 to get right on your screen before you capture it. 871 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.119 You don't know how the lighting is going to react. 872 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:54.480 You don't know what you're going to end up with. 873 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.320 You you'd like to think you're going to end up 874 00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:58.639 with a facsimile of what the naked eye can see 875 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:00.159 in the arena and what you can see to the 876 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.360 viewfinder of the old school camera. But my god, is 877 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.519 there so many other hoops to jump through inside the 878 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.679 technology before it spits out to the final the final proof, 879 00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.440 if you will. And that was always nerve wracking, you know, 880 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:14.800 going to the pharmacy and getting those photo printouts, because 881 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.880 it's going to be worth it, or it's going to 882 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.639 He never knew, you never knew, just way too much 883 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.360 headroom in every shot, pretending you were front row even 884 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.000 though you were, you know, in the lower bowl, zooming 885 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.440 in like crazy, which only focks the picture up more 886 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.840 yep yep, Bez writes to us, Jack wondered if Brett 887 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.480 ever won another singles match with the elbow drop, as 888 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.719 we noted with interest that he beats the Mount Tea 889 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.519 with the elbow off the middle rope. No, sorry, Dino, 890 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:42.320 by the reason I said Mount, You'll see in a second. 891 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:44.719 Bez wants us to know, as many other shout out 892 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.639 to everybody that pointed this out to us that Brett 893 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.960 did in fact win on the November thirtieth, nineteen ninety 894 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.480 one Madison Square Gardenhouse Show when he pinned the Mounty 895 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.199 with that same elbow. Wow, so he was in his 896 00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.639 elbow as a finisher phase. I guess so, pase big 897 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.480 shout out to you for joining the eptor my friend, 898 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.800 we want to thank you very much, Joe writes the 899 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.559 German TLF fan. Not that he needs my validation or 900 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.639 that he'll let even know, but it has to be said. 901 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.679 Holy smokes to the German fellow. That's Ben who helped 902 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.320 with the last two episodes. Guy is fan of the Year, 903 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:18.480 Joe writes early odds on Favorite and its description of 904 00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.760 needing to do the research once he began. Just again, 905 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.119 bravo and add a boy to that. Guy just dropped 906 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.360 obligated to say something considering the time and effort dude 907 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:27.159 put into it all the best. You guys truly are 908 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.239 the best college podcast around. I agree. Are there college 909 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.920 podcast awards we can enter too? Oh? We really should 910 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.559 we should just enter them. Wait wait a minute, how 911 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:43.519 old are you guys? You guys in college? How do 912 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.360 you guys consider yourself a college pop baller? Fans say it, 913 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.519 listeners say, we're a college podcast all the time. So 914 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:54.199 who are we to question? Well, well, what college are you? Guys? 915 00:50:54.280 --> 00:51:01.159 Affiliated with your mom? Your mom's university? Yeah? Why am 916 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:05.559 you what? Yeah? We're we are we go to ym you. 917 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.280 What's what's why am you your mom's university? I'll tell 918 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:10.360 you one thing. I want to want to roll in 919 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.800 Tom's backyard wrestling Federation. Here's what he remembers. Back in 920 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.800 the late nineties, My friends and I had a backyard 921 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.960 wrestling federation, and one of our factions was the condiments. 922 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.880 We took red, yellow, green, white, and blue book socks 923 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.360 and wore them as lugit door masks and had ketchup 924 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.639 as a wrestler, mustard as a wrestler, relish mayonnaise, and 925 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:35.760 blue cheese, which was I thought, fucking idiots, he said, seriously, 926 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.800 it's the dumbest shit ever ketchup versus mayonnaise and a 927 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.480 fight to the death. Brandon collared, Holler at you, boy, 928 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.440 and thanks for that ep level tier, my friend. We 929 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.920 appreciate the cake and the vote of confidence, Adam says, 930 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:56.559 of course, Nash booked himself to go over COVID clean. Yeah, 931 00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:00.840 fucking you know, shit, I'm fucking a fucking yeah now 932 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.920 paying me enough the fucking job to a disease. You're 933 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.719 talking about covers, cover songs and the art of the cover. 934 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.280 Oh yes, oh yes on the episode because the director 935 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.440 had had done some covers and we sampled those. Williams says, 936 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.119 Mad World was a great cover. But be careful summoning 937 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.760 Donnie Darko around those. I know he kind of wants 938 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.320 it to happen just so he can say that it's 939 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:23.079 done and never has to think about it ever again. 940 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:25.880 I do, I do want to just get it done. 941 00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:29.559 William liked Donnie Darko at the time, and Darko and 942 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:34.119 Chill served me very well for a time. Yeah, I'm sure. 943 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:40.280 Did I see that with you Donny dark Out? Now? Yeah? Good? Oh? 944 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.559 I good to help people that don't know, it's just 945 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.559 a fucking it's just a you know, it's just it's 946 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.000 a film school. It's a film student movie. You know, 947 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:54.719 it's that. It's that especially of our generation, like you know, 948 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.199 you didn't you didn't live, you weren't really a film 949 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.440 student unless you loved Donnie dark You saw it. You 950 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.599 had to love it, right, you love it? You had 951 00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:08.039 to fucking love Donnie Darko and I saw it at 952 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:11.679 the Coolidge Corner Theater. It's a good start and I 953 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.599 loathed it clothed, but it qualifies, and so I feel 954 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.480 like we need to suffer through it Darko and Schille. 955 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.000 He says, But the emo cult that sprung up around 956 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.719 it is awful. Yeah, I wonder how much of Emo 957 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.320 came from that. I mean, I'm sure it was was 958 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.039 before then, because I mean, Donny Darko came out like 959 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.039 while we were in college, right, but it's like two 960 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:40.559 thousand and two or something, But it's uh yeah, I mean, 961 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.079 but it definitely again it it just again. It's one 962 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:45.880 of those movies. It's one of those movies that you 963 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.440 just if you're a film student, you had to love. 964 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.519 You weren't allowed to not love it. And I didn't, 965 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.840 So I guess I was never really a film student. Yeah, 966 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.480 that's my takeaway. Austin's back with more Smoke on the 967 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.199 on the COVID movie, which is shot in Texas, is 968 00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:05.199 mentioned by Texas guy. Uh. He says, first of all, 969 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.400 on the cover front, Johnny cash is hurt is another 970 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.400 cover that is completely different than the original. I agree, 971 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.320 and it's a wonderful one. So one of the more 972 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.400 memorable packages they ever did was hurt to Eddie Guerrero 973 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.400 after he passed away. That's a really I've watched that 974 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.280 one a million times. It's a really touching matching of 975 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:25.360 song to to visuals. There, he says the recurring theme 976 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.719 great musicians can reinterpret great song successfully. Average musicians should 977 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:33.320 refrain from giving us quote unquote their version. Yeah, I 978 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.880 would endorse that. Yeah, yeah, well again, Yeah. What it 979 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.440 really comes down to is two things is the is 980 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.559 the artist good enough to uh to cover the song? 981 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.760 Are they worthy enough to cover the song? And does 982 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:52.519 it fit within there that that artist particular style without 983 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.119 you know, is it a good innovation of the song? 984 00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:59.800 That's what really counts, right, and you know, if it's 985 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.159 then you shouldn't do it. We spent a lot of 986 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.400 time trying to piece together just what was the financing 987 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.960 behind this film, like why did anybody find it necessary 988 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:10.559 to make? What was the deal with the director and 989 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.960 his history? And eventually we landed on it's probably like 990 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:18.039 a Bible adjacent enterprise and new when sure enough, when 991 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:20.559 we sat down to watch the COVID nineteen movie COVID 992 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.400 nineteen Invasion. There's like a gratuitous Bible scene right in 993 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:25.199 the middle of it, where guy's reading the Bible in bed, 994 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.960 and it's like focused. It's a very subtle way of 995 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.960 kind of making it all about God, which doesn't disqualify anything. 996 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.639 It's just you can very easily be fooled into thinking that, 997 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.480 like this was financed because someone thought it was going 998 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.559 to be a terrific action movie, but actually it's sort 999 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:41.880 of a trojan horse for some of that messaging to 1000 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.559 get out there. It always is. Yeah, and I think 1001 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.719 the Preston would Baptist Church factored in quite a bit, 1002 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.239 didn't it. Yes, Yes, that's what I mean. That's the presumption. 1003 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:57.440 We don't know for sure. Perception rights, it's the not 1004 00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.880 all the dots connected, but a lot of the dots 1005 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:05.480 were aiming towards that that direction. And Austin says, I 1006 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:08.760 grew up minutes away from that church and knew many 1007 00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:10.719 kids that went to their high school. My favorite nickname 1008 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:13.239 used around town for their very large worship hall was 1009 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:18.239 six Flags over Jesus. It is definitely in the vein 1010 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.760 of churches. The creators of the righteous Gemstones would have 1011 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.880 had in mind, and he says, growing up in Texas, 1012 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.679 I can spot a televangelist altright grifter when I see one, 1013 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.639 and our boy fits that vibe to a t with 1014 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.480 his with his perspective on the things, Steve the homie 1015 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.880 out in Ireland. We were talking about how wrestling in 1016 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:41.880 Germany was called catch and how you know, yes, catch 1017 00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:45.079 up and catching and all that. Yes, Steve says that 1018 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.599 his supervisor and work is French and also refers to 1019 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:54.199 wrestling as z catch, yes, the catch ze catch, as 1020 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:56.199 well as being very dismaded in how many French Canadians 1021 00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:58.480 work or worked in WW as they are Yankees with 1022 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.320 shit French. That's exactly shit, nothing more European than using 1023 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.159 shit as an adjective. You know, it's shit, oh shit. 1024 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.360 And he also says that Bruce Pritchard's in his podcast 1025 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:11.800 there's definitely something more personal to Randy never coming back 1026 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.599 to w B. Well, we can speculate on that all day, 1027 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.199 but that's of course the that's of course a subject 1028 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.400 of discussion on that episode as well. When discussing what 1029 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.639 could have been with Randy and Austin, Randy and Sean, 1030 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.119 you know in these programs that we never got to taste. 1031 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:29.199 Big reminder that whenever you want to support the co 1032 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.119 chairs but you might not be interested in a Patreon subscription, 1033 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.159 you can always throw a little digital tip our way, 1034 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:35.880 as so many great members of the Solar System have 1035 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.000 over the years. Just type the lapsed fan at gmail 1036 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.360 dot com into your PayPal and you can leave us 1037 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.039 a little at a boy, just like Michael did. Just 1038 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:44.880 drop this on lines and thanks for all you do, 1039 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.920 and it was just it was just lovely. It's lovely 1040 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.320 to get those little boosts some folks that want to 1041 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.280 let you know that there that they appreciate what you do. 1042 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.360 Jorome also backs up that Bretthart used the elbow drop 1043 00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:57.400 as a bee finisher because he's seen footage of him 1044 00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.840 beating Moundie with it at MSG, and he says the 1045 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.400 episode that we did were, of course Shawn Michael shines 1046 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:06.840 with Sherry in his corner against Randy Savage, which led 1047 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.239 to the second straight episode of US going off on 1048 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.880 how incredible Sherry was and how much how pathetic it 1049 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.880 is if you don't realize that you know, or how 1050 00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.639 sad of a state of affairs, it is if she's 1051 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:18.760 kind of forgotten, which I'm kind of afraid she is 1052 00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.840 kind of a little bit. Yeah, I mean he's definitely not. 1053 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.480 She doesn't she's not on the on the Mount Rushmore, 1054 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:28.840 she's not on the pave the way, blah blah blah. 1055 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.639 Speech that the women's evolution era and all that they 1056 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:35.480 don't talk about her enough at all. Really, and Jerome writes, 1057 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.320 I think rather preciently, this episode really illuminates just how 1058 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:41.159 lucky both Shawn Michael's and Triple H were at having 1059 00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.800 the right women in their careers. Yeah, no shit, Sherry, 1060 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.119 he says, was a huge part of hbka's early presentation. 1061 00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:49.719 And China definitely boosted Hunter and ninety seven. And Stephanie 1062 00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:51.519 was the final piece in Hunter getting into being seen 1063 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.440 as a true main eventor Yep, that's absolutely true. They 1064 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.920 have well, Triple H has Mick Foley, China and Stephanie 1065 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.480 to think for where he is yep, ye without them, 1066 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.400 he is not anywhere close to where he is in 1067 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.599 my personal opinion. Matthew writes to us he's loving this 1068 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:08.239 episode the Germany one as a fan from England who 1069 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:10.320 got his first taste of WCW weekly in the mid 1070 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.159 nineties from an unexpected source when cable TV first came 1071 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.199 New Yorkshire and one of the channels on offer, bizarrely 1072 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.639 it was a German sports channel called DSF. My ITV 1073 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.800 Region I TV is independent television there in the UK 1074 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.000 never showed WCW in the early nineties, so I'd missed 1075 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:25.719 out on that. Then one day, flipping through the cable 1076 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:29.760 channels in nineteen ninety five, I found it WCW. I 1077 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.599 quickly worked out the timeslots and never looked back. Like JP, 1078 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:34.360 I had been deprived of the Hogan Hey days as 1079 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.880 my fandom started in nineteen ninety one two, So while 1080 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.039 WCW audiences were pushing against Holkamania, I was happy to 1081 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:41.960 be finally getting to see a Hulk run on a 1082 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:44.679 weekly basis. So you can imagine how annoying it was 1083 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.800 for me when he turned heel By or around the 1084 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.760 time of the turn, TNTUK had picked up Nitro, so 1085 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.960 I no longer had to rely on DSF for WCW programming. 1086 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.360 It is a real nostalgie trip for me, though, remembering 1087 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:57.840 having to navigate a wrestling product in a different language. 1088 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.159 I kept the VHS tapes for years of events I 1089 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.760 had got from DSF uncensored ninety five, Starkad ninety five, 1090 01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.880 Clash of the Champions thirty two, Super Brawl six and others. 1091 01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.159 It wasn't until the UK got the WW network in 1092 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.480 twenty fifteen that I finally got to watch these events 1093 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.840 with English commentary. Imagine that you have these shows and 1094 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.320 it's an in language you don't speak, and you still 1095 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.039 watch it. That says something about pro wrestling right there. Yep, yep, 1096 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.440 you gotta still watch it, and without the interview segments 1097 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.880 being dubbed over. You think some WCW storylines were hard 1098 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:26.920 to follow at times, try following them with the commentator 1099 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.159 speaking a language you don't understand. Ah. Later I managed 1100 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.159 to get WW from DSF two, which is great because 1101 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:33.800 I didn't have Sky Sports, but I could pick up 1102 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.039 raw and the pay per views from DSF for a while. 1103 01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.320 So for this English wrestling fan, this background in German 1104 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.800 wrestling on TV has more significance than you think. Thank 1105 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.840 you well, Thank you pal Glad to provide the service 1106 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.000 and Glad Ben Soffitt to put in all the work 1107 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:50.159 that he did. It's I'm just fascinated we talked about it, 1108 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.000 like the whole idea of what these wrestlers were doing 1109 01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:55.599 in the Hasbro era and the Glube era. Yeah. Yeah, 1110 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:57.599 Well we were just kids in America and that was 1111 01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.519 the extent of our visibility into this thing. And these 1112 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.440 guys are going to Japan, they're going to England, they're 1113 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.280 going to Germany, they're going to Italy, and they're only 1114 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.440 going there. They're all over television in those countries and 1115 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.920 it's like the fucking biggest event wrestling fans in those 1116 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.880 countries had ever seen. They're flocking to it. Yeah, and 1117 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.320 we had no fucking clue back on Home Turf. It's just, 1118 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:20.679 I know, it is it's I mean, I know you 1119 01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:23.880 kind of kept things a little quiet because you didn't 1120 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:25.800 want to. You know, you could kind of get away 1121 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.519 with doing stuff overseas that you didn't need to explain 1122 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.280 on American TV. But it is a shame they never 1123 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.039 really kind of talked about it and celebrated more of 1124 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.800 the overseas stuff. Yeah, it was kind of there's sort 1125 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.920 of such a lag back then. It's like, we talked 1126 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.559 about this because you were presenting the matches as they 1127 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.559 aired from the Germany shows on primetime. Yes, and it's 1128 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:50.320 not like they shied away from saying it was in 1129 01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.559 Germany when they aired them. But we're talking months and 1130 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:57.000 months later, and also scattered about not on the same show, 1131 01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:02.480 not even some on regular TV, some on Cossum Video, right, 1132 01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:05.400 So it's by that point it's like kind of weird 1133 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.480 to make a big hullabaloo over a show that's now 1134 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.559 three four months old. You know, it's kind of like 1135 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:14.239 just matches presented from many different locations. That was just 1136 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.400 what the way they chose to present it. I think 1137 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.039 they were sort of bashful about the fact that some 1138 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.480 of them are so stale, and some of these matches, yeah, 1139 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:25.199 weren't necessarily fresh in that way. It's a fan. 1140 01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:41.000 Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need 1141 01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:59.119 their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's a lapsed fan 1142 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:03.440 wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro. 1143 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.599 We talked about how Papa Shanko came to the ring 1144 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:12.519 on that episode with a smoking skull, and Philip puts 1145 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:14.800 it beautifully. He says, you have opened my eyes stone cold. 1146 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.519 Steve Austin truly was the second coming of Papa Shanka. 1147 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:21.719 I don't think we spent enough time talking about that. Yes, yes, 1148 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.400 I mean listen, he's the two smoking skulls. You know, 1149 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.159 Papa Shango the second coming of Stone Steve Austin, and 1150 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:33.599 you know, uh uh Steve Austin the first the second. Well, 1151 01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:36.280 it's like coming up, Papa Shanko. I agree ya first, 1152 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:39.639 I mean double second. Second there it's amazing that it's 1153 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.480 really amazing that that Stone Cold Steve Austin is at 1154 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.519 the at the very least the third coming of Stone 1155 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:50.519 Cold Steve Austin. That's funny. That's the best part. 1156 01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:50.719 Now. 1157 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.400 I'm always like thinking, like, what if we ever got 1158 01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.280 ten minutes with this wrestler, what's the one most lapsed question? 1159 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.559 We could ask them, you know, And for Steve Austin, 1160 01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:01.440 it probably would be like, do you because Papa Shango 1161 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.360 came to the ring first with the smoking skull, do 1162 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.000 you think he was the first coming of Stone Cold 1163 01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.079 Steve Austin? You no, no, you got to do it. 1164 01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:10.480 So Steve, here's the thing. So we're just curious. So 1165 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:16.440 do you think because the Warlord was a bald wrestler 1166 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.360 with a goatee who wore black trunks, that he was 1167 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:21.199 the first coming of Stone? Calls ee of Austin. And 1168 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.079 before you answer that one, do you think because Papa 1169 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.480 Shank came down and he was bald with a smoking skull, 1170 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:30.840 that he was the second coming of Stone GOLs dv 1171 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.639 Austin and you were the third. I love what you said. 1172 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:35.679 And before you answer that one, that was money, it's 1173 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:38.960 how do you feel about that? How do you feel 1174 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.920 that you're not the original? Stone calls Divasus r I 1175 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:46.199 fucking question right there. We talked on the episode about 1176 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:51.199 a European rampage for the Commodore sixty four. Yes, oh, yes, 1177 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:53.800 the PC gaming system back then, one of those RAREBIA 1178 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:57.239 releases that weren't on a regular gaming console. Phil wants 1179 01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:59.440 us to know that he had wwa European RAMPI wow 1180 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:03.079 on my Commodore sixty four. It was ridiculously shit. The 1181 01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.480 C sixty four version was one on one rather than 1182 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:07.400 tag teams, but the roster was the same, with just 1183 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:09.639 one of the tag teams available to be your opponent, 1184 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.480 and the choices were odd. Typhoon from the Natural Disasters. 1185 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.159 You could play as irs for money Ink Jerry Sacksual 1186 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.599 Nasty Boys an animal from the Legion of Doom doesn't 1187 01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:20.840 sound like much all thought was put into the that's 1188 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:26.840 awful playability part of it, That's dreadful. Neil has come 1189 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.320 to an interesting realization after the episode. A decade of 1190 01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:32.239 TLF has taught me one unshakable lesson. Unless Brett Hart 1191 01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.000 is committing adultery against Julie Sex is not nearly as good. 1192 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.159 And he also asks, is Brett Heart the David Hasselhoff 1193 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:41.800 of wrestling? The Berlin wall goes down and it all 1194 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.559 changes for these two guys. It's it's you know, it 1195 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:50.960 seems like it. You know, I think I think Brett 1196 01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:53.800 and David Hasselhoff should do a tour of Germany together. 1197 01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.599 I mean over in Germany. It's a thing and they 1198 01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.320 had it's similar, it's similar, and that like there's this 1199 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.559 like completely inexplicable popularity in Germany when they were on 1200 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:09.400 television and equal measure and a whole lot of other 1201 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:12.199 European countries as well, but Germany was the one that 1202 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:16.519 saw this, this particular look, this particular body, this do 1203 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:19.159 you know what I mean? This particular essence is very appealing. 1204 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.559 So yes, ridiculous breettheart. A lot of things have been 1205 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.199 said about Brett and all of them true, but the 1206 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:29.119 David Hasselhoff of wrestling. I think we and Neil brought 1207 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.239 that one uniquely to the table, and I like the 1208 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.039 sounds of it. Carlo wants us to know that unt 1209 01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:37.719 as we were talking about, means and schlogen, which we 1210 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:39.719 heard a hundred times, means to hit or to strike. 1211 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:42.039 So it makes sense you'd hear that on a wrestling call, 1212 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:48.159 and whiter equals further Okay, so und whiter schlogen means 1213 01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:53.679 to continue beating. Wow, going to zip tide one guy 1214 01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:56.400 while he busts open the other guy. Whiter schlogen. Okay. 1215 01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:01.199 We were learning here slow, but surely we appreciate it. 1216 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:07.920 To keep that one going. Und I love und is 1217 01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:11.719 one of my face maybe my favorite German word. And 1218 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:17.519 it's just yeah, it's it's it's so unmistakably because because 1219 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.599 like especially when you when you when you kind of 1220 01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:26.400 just uh uh, you know, throw it in regular uh language. 1221 01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.119 It's like you say, here are the natural disasters, earthquake, 1222 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:37.840 ound typhoon and big shout out to to the uh 1223 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:40.199 to the homie who goes by that piece of shithole 1224 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:44.239 Cogan on Patreon. Yeah, he says that the title of 1225 01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.679 this show, The Germany show sounds like it was created 1226 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:48.679 by Bill Mercer. Rest in Peace, By the way, Rest 1227 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:50.400 in Peace? Did you did you think about making a call? 1228 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.239 I was like, you know, well, I didn't even know 1229 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:59.360 until someone. I forget how I found out. I think 1230 01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.239 maybe even you it was like it was weird. It 1231 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:04.000 wasn't a call. He might have deserved a call. I 1232 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.199 don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. 1233 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.039 There were ones. Here's the thing. There are ones where 1234 01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.719 it's there's no dispute. You know, you absolutely it's a 1235 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.159 call like when Dusty died, like or when Roddy Piper died, 1236 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:18.840 or when Gene Okerlan died. I mean you have to 1237 01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:24.079 call on those guys. Mercer, I mean probably should have 1238 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:28.439 been a call, but yeah, it wasn't. The call is 1239 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:32.800 more there goes your childhood. It's not there goes someone 1240 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.199 that we learned to appreciate thirty years after he did 1241 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:37.760 he did his thing. You know, it's like we grew 1242 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.840 up on world class. Then then then it's a call. Yeah, 1243 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:42.479 you know, so I think that was kind of where 1244 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.000 I came down on it. But but interesting, him and 1245 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.039 China are the edge cases. Like do we call on China? 1246 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:51.000 You know? Yeah, yeah, we didn't. I feel yeah, I 1247 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.760 mean And also China died in the middle of us 1248 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:57.199 doing something. We were doing something that can be a 1249 01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:59.880 factor too, like what circumstance do we find ourselves in 1250 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.560 the moment we hear? Right, but yeah, that's something for 1251 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:06.319 the Moat Tier. We do try to share is when 1252 01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:08.199 we do get get our act together and do the call, 1253 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.800 we try to record them now and share them exclusively 1254 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:13.319 with the Moat Tiers. There's some there's word of us 1255 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.800 sharing deaths. I remember one of the fans said, I 1256 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.720 found out about the last three wrestling desks from LAPS 1257 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.640 fans Patreon before use. That's how LAPS some of our 1258 01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:23.960 listeners are that they're not glued to Twitter all day. 1259 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:27.800 They are not, which is a wonderful thing. And if 1260 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.720 you know, also, my dad will, my dad will. If 1261 01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:32.720 he crosses my dad's path, he'll always send me an 1262 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:37.000 email or a text, yeah saying I sang my condolences. 1263 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.159 He can. He gave me condolences on Sydney, didn't he? 1264 01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.680 Uh No, I think I told him about Sydney, but 1265 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:45.520 he gave me condolences on Like Paul bearer. Okay, sure, 1266 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.479 it's so funny, but I think he gave it. I 1267 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:51.199 think what was funny about it was that he gave 1268 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:57.239 it to me like months later. It's like it just 1269 01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.319 kind of came across his feed right months after it 1270 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:04.399 actually happened. He writes, the title of the show sounds 1271 01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:08.079 like it was created by Bill Mercer, WWF German European 1272 01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:12.000 Christmas Star Wars, Cotton Bowld, David Carrie, Chris Mike's Suicide 1273 01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:16.600 Rampage again nineteen ninety two. It's about this about it, 1274 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.960 Joe writes to us. There is a tie place local 1275 01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.439 to me, and I'm a creature of habit, so I 1276 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:23.720 ordered the same garlic chicken saute. There are some days 1277 01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:25.760 where it's just good, but then there are other days. 1278 01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:28.880 There are other days, as David Lynch knows, right, yep, 1279 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.159 when the meal elevates to something better, and I'm always 1280 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.239 chasing that perfect saute when I order That's right. Isn't 1281 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:39.039 that the truth? It's the absolute truth. As we talked about, 1282 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.119 you know, David Lynch and his meditations on the perfect 1283 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.760 chocolate milkshake and slice of cherry pie and these things 1284 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.039 that you think are just these quirky things, he says, 1285 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:53.600 But the universe is in what he's saying. Yes, it 1286 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:57.479 really is, I mean he because you can all relate 1287 01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:01.159 to that. Everyone can relate to. That is no matter 1288 01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:03.159 where you go, no matter even if it's even if 1289 01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:05.560 it's a fast food place, like even if you go 1290 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.960 to dunkin Donuts, like this is what I said my example. Well, 1291 01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:10.920 get ready, Pap, Pap has got one on that right 1292 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.439 here there, there is a perfect you know. It's like 1293 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.439 I know when I've had a perfect dunkin Donuts coffee. 1294 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:19.840 I know that flavor. I know exactly what it is. 1295 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.079 I don't know why it is the way that it 1296 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:24.840 is and why it's so hard to land on right, 1297 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.840 but it's like it's it's you never know, you never know, 1298 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.800 he says, Pap does. Duncan is either giving you the 1299 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.720 best coffee you've ever had in your life or something 1300 01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:38.279 that's barely drinkable, and there's no in between, and it's 1301 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.479 about a zero point zero five percent shot of you 1302 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:45.640 getting the best coffee. And it's always worth the gamble. Yes, 1303 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:48.960 that's the key. Yes, that's what David Lynch teaches us, 1304 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:54.399 that it's still worth it. You have to keep trying. 1305 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:59.880 That's what you have to do. You have to keep trying. 1306 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:08.000 I still try. I try for the perfect milkshake, you know, 1307 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:12.000 the kind, the kind that makes you come after right. 1308 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:23.079 I love ejaculation, love it. The feeling of coming is 1309 01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.039 the greatest. Yeah, it's funny, David. I think you have 1310 01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:29.560 a lot of company in that respect. Not one of 1311 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:38.159 your more controversial statements. Oh God, bless the man. God 1312 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:40.159 bless the man. Lots more to come. He is now 1313 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:43.640 firmly ensconced and lapsed care. I don't think an area 1314 01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:45.079 show is going to go by where we're not going 1315 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.319 to hear from him a little bit. And that's a 1316 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.600 testament to the work boss Man brought to us on 1317 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.159 the Twin Peaks Cinemat journey. Still find myself when I 1318 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:55.960 all of a sudden stumble upon some empty space in 1319 01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:58.399 my day, which is very rare, I'm like, should I 1320 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:00.600 put blue velvet on? Do I dare? I know? I 1321 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.520 know I'm gonna do it eventually, I don't know when. 1322 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:05.720 Because of the Twin Peaks Journey under the Cinemat, I'm 1323 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:08.840 going to do it. I'm still I'm I'm mustering up 1324 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.399 the courage to do a lost highway, just to fucking 1325 01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:15.560 oh yeah, just to get that uh, just to just 1326 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:20.439 just to put context in that fucking horrifying Robert Blake scene, 1327 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:24.800 to totally that that scene is still man, it's still 1328 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:30.840 with me, it's still with me. Just just the idea 1329 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:33.520 that that that there's somebody who's you're talking to you, 1330 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.119 right in front of you, who's also at your house. 1331 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.039 It's horrifying. Oh yeah, Well, what was the other one? Egg? 1332 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:42.640 What was it? What was the other David Lynch movie? 1333 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.479 We'll get to it. Someone had written to us about 1334 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.239 how people like walked out of the theater in the movie, 1335 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:51.960 or or he heard from his parents that people walked 1336 01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:55.319 out of the movie theater because it was so incorrigible. 1337 01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:58.600 So Lynch, so Lynchy. Yeah, Zach writes, to the point 1338 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:01.359 about observing the small things is, you know what, there 1339 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.439 is something sobering to know if you truly observe your 1340 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:07.399 own life, you will only get the best version of 1341 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:11.159 your favorite things a handful of times if you're lucky. 1342 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.399 Ain't that the truth? Yep? Ain't that the truth that 1343 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:20.560 I mean? That's that's what we chase, Yes, and that's life. 1344 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:23.800 That's not an indictment on anyone's character. That's that's not 1345 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:27.760 a flaw, that's a feature. That's that's life is chasing that, 1346 01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:31.159 because if you're gonna chase that, then you're just you're 1347 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:34.359 just twistling in the wind, right, I mean, you know 1348 01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:41.319 you you want That's what That's what always makes certain 1349 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:43.439 things so special is that you do you want to 1350 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.399 keep You want to keep going back to You want 1351 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.920 to think you have something that you can look forward to, right, 1352 01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:56.560 but really you're just hoping that it's the same thing 1353 01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:01.960 you remember, and so rarely is it. But it serves 1354 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.560 to confirm that when it landed, it landed man, because 1355 01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:07.960 I would I would rather have had those three perfect 1356 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.079 cups of coffee and chase it for the rest of 1357 01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:13.239 my life that have never had those cups of coffee. Yep, 1358 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:15.920 I agreed. You know what I'm saying. It anchors you, 1359 01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:19.079 It gives you, gives you like, all right, Well, if 1360 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.720 the chips fall a certain way, this could be another 1361 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.520 one of those perfect days. And we only have a 1362 01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.000 handful of those two where everything's in rhythm. You never 1363 01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:31.319 get bored, but you never get over over busy. You 1364 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:33.840 take advantage of the of a beautiful day. You know 1365 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.760 what I mean. You're with people you love. It's that 1366 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:39.680 those rhythms are tough to catch, man. You had to 1367 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.239 catch those waves, and and you've got to try to 1368 01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:44.359 make that day happen again the next day. Yep. And 1369 01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:47.760 it probably won't, but you gotta have that. You got 1370 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.479 to have that that true north that you're going towards. 1371 01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:53.880 It's got to come from within you. You can't be 1372 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:58.159 looking for it to other people, you know. So yeah, 1373 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:00.439 David Lynch, I guess that is what I'm trying to say. Hmmm. 1374 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:02.880 Marty f thank you very much for your pledge, my friend. 1375 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:06.680 Welcome into the higher tiers of the solar system Patreon community. 1376 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.439 We should hope you enjoy the benefits you're afforded. Nathan Bennett, 1377 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.199 thank you very much for your pledge, my friend. That 1378 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.239 piece of shit, Hulkogan writes again, MTV reminds me of 1379 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:18.840 that local mall that was hopping twenty to thirty years ago, 1380 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:21.840 but now it's just a barren wasteland filled with novelty stores. 1381 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:26.439 You've been in the mall lately, My god, what's happening 1382 01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:27.640 out there now? 1383 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:27.800 We? 1384 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:32.760 I mean, uh, it's a blood bath it's a blood bath. Yeah, 1385 01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.760 nothing is sacred. There's you know, it's kind of funny. 1386 01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:41.239 I don't know the mall situation. I've noticed you've either 1387 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.560 got great mall, a great mall, or you've got an 1388 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.000 absolutely awful mall. That's just that's it. On the verge 1389 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.000 of death. Everyone used to be able to have a 1390 01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:53.239 local mall that was of a certain caliber, you know, 1391 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.079 in your area, not necessarily in your town or in 1392 01:16:56.159 --> 01:17:01.279 your city, but right within driving distance, magnificant mall of 1393 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:06.000 significant vitality. And now there is one in your state. Yeah, two, 1394 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:09.319 two or three one. You know, you've got a couple. 1395 01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.359 It just yeah, you've got a couple here and there, 1396 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.079 and the other ones are just hollowed out forever twenty 1397 01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:19.079 ones that have been converted into like ballpit play places 1398 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.560 that that are the size of your fucking garage. And 1399 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:29.640 the rest of people just like walking around like aimlessly, aimlessly. 1400 01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.359 There's nothing to buy, there's nothing going on. Everything they 1401 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:34.600 have is already on their fucking doorstep anyway, everything they 1402 01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.800 want rather is already on their porch waiting to be opened. 1403 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:42.640 Just walking down. He's just like a lost souls. Yes, 1404 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:51.319 that's where there's so little good. As you know, we're 1405 01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:52.800 trying to point it out. We're trying to put you 1406 01:17:52.880 --> 01:18:01.279 up on game, folks. Empty fucking just empty storefront. It's 1407 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:05.199 just faded retailers, cornerstone retailers, the ones you thought that 1408 01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:08.000 would fight through anything like you just look at the 1409 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:10.000 seers now and you want to cry. You know, I'll 1410 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.199 tell you. I'll tell you what. There's a mall nearby, 1411 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:18.479 and I'll tell you. You know it's bad. You know 1412 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:22.720 it's bad when the movie theater goes out of business. Oh, 1413 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.279 and that's what happened, And now you're sitting on a 1414 01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:32.119 future top golf I would say, right. You know, usually 1415 01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:34.920 movie theaters are the are the things that keep malls 1416 01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.159 alive these days because at least there's the movie theater. 1417 01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:41.640 But when the movie theater closes, you stop and realize 1418 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.319 no one fucking gives a shit, no one, no one 1419 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:50.520 cares at all. Nobody is safe, that's right. Yeah, Oh, 1420 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:54.800 isn't that right? No one is safe from Kim Wood either, 1421 01:18:55.520 --> 01:19:01.159 Oh not at all. He's a fucking beast. Take Tickled 1422 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:03.520 Pink to see how that one landed over on unheard 1423 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:06.359 Oh yeah. As we got into the four plus hour 1424 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.920 interview that the former Cincinnati Bengals strength coach and adviser 1425 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:13.199 to Brian Pellman during the height of his manipulative abilities 1426 01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:15.760 pitting Vince and Eric against each other in ninety five 1427 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:19.760 and the contract negotiations, the thing reality challenge, the things 1428 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:23.159 he fucking should, the truths that he laid bare and 1429 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.800 wasn't afraid to speak to those cameras h Fixed Sports. 1430 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:32.199 I want everyone to know and listener, land, I had 1431 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.119 no idea that boss Man had the chamber loaded like that. 1432 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:39.760 No clue hit him again, Fixed Sports hit him again, 1433 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:50.560 Fix Sports, Reality challenged. They're all whores, he said. The 1434 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:55.880 boys in wrestling are reality challenged. Oh God, camera with 1435 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.600 the most pregnant pause you've ever not heard, I guess 1436 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:04.399 un Oh And as the homie Tom writes, what an 1437 01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:07.279 incredible episode. Definitely the best dark sid unheard yet. And 1438 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:09.760 that's saying something one thing I thought might be worth noting, 1439 01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:13.239 especially given the Solar Systems familiarity and veneration of Terry funk. 1440 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.319 I think the Funkster was ribbing Pillman with this chain 1441 01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:18.600 yourself to the goalpost idea at the Super Bowl m 1442 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:21.840 Because metal detectors started being used to security for the 1443 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:24.000 Super Bowl in nineteen ninety one for the Gulf War, 1444 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:25.880 and we're very much in place in nineteen ninety six 1445 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.319 with the Cowboys Steeler's Super Bowl in Phoenix, which if 1446 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.039 you don't remember, is where Terry Funk claimed to have 1447 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:32.600 proposed to Brian Pillman that he get in there and 1448 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.239 chain himself to the goalposts during the Super Bowl and 1449 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:37.600 the ultimate publicity stunt, and they wouldn't be able to 1450 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:39.760 remove him for thirty minutes, so the TV cameras wouldn't 1451 01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:41.560 be able to ignore him, and he'd be a legend 1452 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:43.279 as a result. And that was when he's doing a 1453 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.039 loose cannon gammick where he was out there just trying 1454 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.039 to do anything he could to get fired basically from WCW. 1455 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:51.560 That was the idea in his head. Pillman Tom Writs 1456 01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:53.840 wouldn't have gotten close to the game, let alone the field. 1457 01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:56.479 He either would have been barred entry or arrested outside 1458 01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.000 the stadium. Might have still helped this loose cannon persona 1459 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:00.680 with the wrestling fans, but wouldn't have been a blip 1460 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:02.880 on the radar of the general public, especially back then. 1461 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:05.159 My guess Funk maybe had gotten a little tired of 1462 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:09.279 Pillman's I can work anyone routine interesting hmmm, which I'm 1463 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:11.119 sure it's spilled backstage, and was hoping to give him 1464 01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:12.600 a little come up, and its a reminder of who 1465 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:14.920 the real best worker in the business was, or I 1466 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.880 am totally off in funk didn't know there were mental 1467 01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.119 detectors at the stadium and honestly thought Pillman could get 1468 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:21.720 away with that. However, given what we know about Terry's 1469 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.279 relationship to Mick and how many times he playfully quote 1470 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.520 unquote ribbed his best friend in the business, I think 1471 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:28.439 there might have been a little glint in Terry's eye 1472 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.199 as he laid out this plan to Pilman, imagining him 1473 01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:33.319 getting put in the paddy wagon well before the game. 1474 01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:35.960 Whatever the real story is, here's to kim Wood a 1475 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.239 good reminder that if real con men ever got into 1476 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.880 pro wrestling, the Carneyes wouldn't have a chance. Fink sports Ye, 1477 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:47.359 that fucking fired down. We've been telling you, We've been 1478 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:52.119 telling you for years. Kim Wood knows. Kim Wood doesn't 1479 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:56.399 have the uh ah, kim Wood's just a fucking general. 1480 01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:58.600 He doesn't have the appearances to keep up that prevent 1481 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.199 him from saying things like that, noticing things like that, 1482 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:13.800 it's money, so fucking angry, so angry that it's No, 1483 01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:23.279 it's money. No, it's a fucking a fucking line. It's money. 1484 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:26.800 You know what, Kim your god, damn right, it's money. 1485 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:29.960 Speak that truth. And like I said in the episode, 1486 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:31.680 if you're in the business and you hear him and 1487 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:34.239 you like roll your eyes, don't be madd he's talking 1488 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:37.039 about you. Don't be madd He's talking about you. Ye, 1489 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.760 Scott wants us to know. On Nomeo and Juliet, Oh 1490 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:44.319 my god, signed up and it's going way back in 1491 01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:46.920 the under of the Cinemat argall shit, that's the well, 1492 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:51.840 that is the uh. The most recent Hulk Hogan movie 1493 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:56.600 is Yes, as We did. Hulk Hogan's entire filmography available 1494 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:58.800 to you in the Under the Cinemat archives for your 1495 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:03.520 executive producer to your pledge at Patreon. He says, my 1496 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:05.600 kids are in bed and I'm watching this fucking movie 1497 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:10.960 by myself, just to hear the co chairs commented, that's 1498 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:15.720 something to see. Oh man tlf my apologies. Geno writes 1499 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:17.880 the cast that has me yelling Farina in my room 1500 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:21.640 like a psychopath. Oh Lee Morris, thank you very much 1501 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:26.359 for the pledge. We appreciate it, my friends. Okay, So 1502 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:29.680 j W finally getting into the more ones. Okay, talk 1503 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:33.960 about Roger Moore in incredible James Bond Journey that's available 1504 01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:37.159 for your Patreon dollar as well under the cinemat and 1505 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:39.039 he's finally getting into the Roger Moore at once. He 1506 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.239 says he's been putting it off but cannot wait to 1507 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:44.399 drop the knowledge he obtains on Roger Moore on my 1508 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:47.800 eighty three year old mom. Oh boy, miss Midge older, 1509 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:49.560 he writes in the Chairman, and thus was old enough 1510 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:51.600 that was able to take me to three of these 1511 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.079 Roger Moore ones. At least one was preschool era or 1512 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:57.640 kindergarten half days, all at an inappropriate age. She loved 1513 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:01.880 Roger Moore. We sat Mattine's Month's replays at the Cheap Theater. 1514 01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.520 The matinees were enjoyed after ice cream at the Woolworth's 1515 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.640 Food Kiosk at Westland Mall, Burlington, Iowa. I wish I 1516 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:09.479 had more specifics, but I was like six years old. 1517 01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.840 My brother had several versions of a cool Lotus submarine 1518 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.079 car merch, but he didn't get this special Bond movie 1519 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:19.239 viewing treatment. I had a matchbox James Bond Harvercraft. Ooh, 1520 01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.720 it's easy to see how Octopus's red spandex clad army 1521 01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:26.159 segued seamlessly into my love of pro wrestling, perhaps even 1522 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:29.399 explains my inexplicable love of red speedoclad Heel Paul Orndorf 1523 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:32.239 for White cheered in late August eighty six at the 1524 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:34.880 rosemonta Rizin versus Hogan for my eighth birthday. I was 1525 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:38.319 offered anything else but shows fake fighting as a birthday present. 1526 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:40.680 That tape is lost, but I assume the Toronto Big 1527 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:42.720 Event match is very similar. I haven't seen the more 1528 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:46.479 Bonds in forty plus years, but I've haunted by the 1529 01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:50.319 clown Double oh six getting killed ever since. Oh god, yeah, 1530 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:53.279 so just no your efforts, Boss, put that back on 1531 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:56.000 the table for him forty years later. Love it. That's 1532 01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:59.560 to Paul Lantau, thanks for that increase in pledge. My 1533 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.800 friend is small, but we noticed it and we appreciated it. Sachster, 1534 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:05.399 thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome in Nick 1535 01:25:05.439 --> 01:25:09.039 ossipoff on time fan getting back into the queue. We 1536 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:12.520 appreciate that. Andrew. Huge shout out to Andrew Dear's co chairman. 1537 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:14.840 I want to let you know that I am registered 1538 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.560 and running the New York City Marathon for charity. And 1539 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:21.399 he has exclusively listened to TLF on his long runs, 1540 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:23.960 and he says that both of you have fueled my 1541 01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:27.199 performance hundreds of miles put in thousands more to go. 1542 01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:30.199 Thank you both. I think speak for both of us, 1543 01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:32.640 boss when we say go get that fucking shit to 1544 01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.800 go fucking do it? You know what I mean? Yep, 1545 01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:38.680 that's why it's worth it, because we're in your ears 1546 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.239 when you're doing things that are actually useful. When I 1547 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:46.399 hear about video podcasting, I've probably been in this rant before. Yeah, 1548 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:49.159 it's like, who wants the listener that sits there and 1549 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.359 looks at the video all day? I know, don't you 1550 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:55.159 want the listener who's actually engaged in something else, like productive? 1551 01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:57.760 They probably have money, not to say that's the only 1552 01:25:57.800 --> 01:25:59.720 reason you want a listener. Bless the listeners that are 1553 01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:03.359 broke can still dive into our ship. We love that too, Yep. 1554 01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:07.439 But I just don't understand what what advertisers see in 1555 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:11.359 video versus audio. To me, it's like audio is I 1556 01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.359 mean good with just pure audio that means they're serious 1557 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.680 people most likely, or maybe not. I don't know, especially 1558 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:24.239 because you know and and I mean two things number one, 1559 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.319 you know, and and and and and listen. I mean, 1560 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:31.720 I think I think it worked a little bit better 1561 01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:36.720 for Unheard because we had the video footage of the interviews. 1562 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:46.199 But it's it's generally not interesting, like because normally it's 1563 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:48.439 just like, I don't know, it's just like a weird conversation. 1564 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:51.399 It's not done in a in a it's just an 1565 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.920 interview usually or just a discussion. And I don't know, 1566 01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:57.800 I just don't find it interesting to see. I'm surprised 1567 01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:02.159 so some of the people insist on it, you know, yeah, 1568 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:04.119 because they really do. I mean, we saw that we 1569 01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:06.319 did audio only for first season if Unheard, and every 1570 01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:08.880 other fucking social comment was where's the video? I need 1571 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:10.479 the video, need the video? Give them the video, and 1572 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:12.880 they're like, oh, fuck, these guys, where they that's the 1573 01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:14.800 best part. I love it? Oh my god, yeah, it 1574 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:17.920 goes what one of them then, one of the most 1575 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:23.039 recent ones, just fucking I love this ship. A guy says, uh, 1576 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:26.039 better if we just showed the clips or something like that. 1577 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:31.359 Oh yeah, he said, Uh, this would be farm. This 1578 01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:33.199 is three days ago. Three This would be far much 1579 01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:34.960 more interesting and watchable if it was just the kim 1580 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:38.800 Woods footage. These these three quote hosts unquote are unnecessary 1581 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:42.720 and unbearable, unnecessary and unbearable. That there's our epitaph right there. 1582 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:46.640 I'll tell you what exactly on the headstone. Listen. I 1583 01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:52.800 I thrive on being unnecessary and unbearable. That's right, And 1584 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.239 the coffers and the coffers say it pays to be 1585 01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:59.159 such right. But now when you hear that, it's like, yeah, 1586 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.000 I kind of I know where you're coming from, because 1587 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.239 when I see someone's face, all think about is their 1588 01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:07.479 fucking face. And then you get into this incredibly shallow, 1589 01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:12.239 like you know, experience where it's like paying attention. I'll 1590 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:16.479 tell you this too. You wouldn't get you wouldn't get 1591 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:21.279 the the I just we couldn't. I couldn't do it 1592 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:24.760 for that long. What the fuck are you serious? Exhausting 1593 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:27.039 six hours of video? That's impossible. 1594 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:28.199 It is. 1595 01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:33.159 It is exhausting. It's a very very it's an exhausting experience. 1596 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.079 It's a whole different level because you got to be 1597 01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.560 on like beyond you're using, you're burning calories. You know, 1598 01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.800 you're burning, you're using muscles you don't use when you're 1599 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:46.000 just talking, because you're just constantly aware of what you're saying, 1600 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.119 what you look like, and where you're facing. It's just 1601 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:51.439 such a it's such a vapid thing. It's so fucking like, 1602 01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.960 you know, can't we can't we make space for something 1603 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:57.920 other than constantly being on camera all the time right 1604 01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:03.279 in this American life. I I just yeah, for me, 1605 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:06.039 I just don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I 1606 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:11.760 never watch video podcasts because unless I'm I'm using it 1607 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:14.399 for research, I just I don't care. And I sure 1608 01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:16.640 hope a lot of this, like YouTube is the discovery 1609 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:21.319 think pieces YouTube. I hope people aren't confusing people using 1610 01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:24.800 YouTube in their cars and just listening to the audio 1611 01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:27.319 even though the video is technically playing or playing a 1612 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.680 YouTube video in their laptop while they cubbuts around the 1613 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.800 house and they can hear it, but the video is 1614 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:33.960 technically playing. I sure hope they don't confuse that for 1615 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:37.640 signals that video is the way to go when the 1616 01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:39.640 only reason it's on videos because it's easy to find 1617 01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:43.039 something on YouTube. That's the reason. That doesn't cause videos in, 1618 01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.640 although advertisers want video to be in because you can 1619 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:48.560 charge more for a video ad than an audio ad. 1620 01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:51.880 But that's just that's the same thing as audio. It's 1621 01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.039 just they're using YouTube, so you assume it's a video 1622 01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:55.960 view and it's not. Most people, a lot of people 1623 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:58.720 I think that use YouTube to access podcasts just hook 1624 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:00.479 it up to the car or put it in, put 1625 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:01.960 it in the ears, and they're listening to it just 1626 01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:03.560 like they would listening to it on an audio only 1627 01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:06.520 platform like Spotify, which also has video now too, of course. 1628 01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:09.239 But I don't know. I just it's it's kind of 1629 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:11.319 a weird. It's kind of a weird thing that people 1630 01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:14.560 insist on. It's it's curious. And I'll and I will say, 1631 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.560 having done all the research for these unheard episodes, having 1632 01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:19.800 read through all the transcripts and selected the bites myself, 1633 01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:23.600 you do not want a podcast where these guys and 1634 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:26.319 gals are just talking for three hours of raw footage. 1635 01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:31.159 You don't want it. It sucks. It's like you need curation. Curation. 1636 01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:34.039 There are moments of inspiration, there are moments when they 1637 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:36.680 say things in a crystallized way that that that that 1638 01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:39.199 sit in the mind that's the best part, is I 1639 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:42.720 I I would love to see the comments from these 1640 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:47.439 same people watching the uncut ship. Oh they have no idea. God, well, 1641 01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:52.880 wont editing. Maybe maybe a little bit of editing. Maybe 1642 01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:57.159 maybe someone give me some context. We did that, so 1643 01:30:57.279 --> 01:30:59.399 you give you what? You gave you what you wanted. 1644 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.520 He said, no, no, you don't want that problem. It 1645 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:04.439 turns out when people say they know what they want, 1646 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:08.119 they're completely fullish. People don't know shit. We know what 1647 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.239 you want, and you're not don't know what they want. 1648 01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:12.680 What did we say once upon a time, You're not 1649 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.159 gonna get get what you want. You're gonna get what 1650 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:20.560 we want. Thank you, Oh will Baber, thank you very 1651 01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:22.199 much for your pledge. He gets it. He put that 1652 01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.760 cake on the table. We love it, Morgan writes, while 1653 01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:27.000 upgrade to the moat tier might have to be temporary, 1654 01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:29.199 before going back to the EP tier, I could no 1655 01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:33.399 longer deny what I needed. Mama sorrow is a national treasure, 1656 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:35.439 he says, Yes, thank you for the memories, thank you 1657 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:37.359 for the inspiration, and thank you for wrestling Mammy, and well, 1658 01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:39.319 thank you, thank you for the vote of confidence, even 1659 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:44.800 for my dad. Just like oh, he's dumbfounded. Is he dumbfounded? Yep, 1660 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:49.000 because because all all the stuff that like drives him 1661 01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:55.960 crazy is all the stuff that everybody loves. That's so funny. Yeah, 1662 01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:59.800 it's so funny. There's an audience for the things that 1663 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:01.920 make you want to crawl into a hole and die. 1664 01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:07.520 Of course. Amazing, so amazing. Yeah, Well, short bursts, you know, 1665 01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:11.399 that's the thing that's you know, you can't overstay, you're welcome, 1666 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:14.279 you can't over play your hand, and things that are 1667 01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:18.520 just so endearing in a person can become their absolute 1668 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:21.079 worst qualities if you just spam people with it, like 1669 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.479 get the fuck out of here, you know. But now 1670 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:27.560 if you deliver it a nice controlled release, baby, yeah, 1671 01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.720 that's the ticket. That's the ticket, and that's what we 1672 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:34.640 specialize in. So Neil had some great insight into MTV 1673 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:37.319 and the WWF. We talked about, of course, the marriage 1674 01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:40.079 of these two organizations when we cover the nine eighty 1675 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:42.880 six Slammies, which was the final WWF broadcast on MTV 1676 01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:44.960 until they came back years and years and years later 1677 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:47.920 for Sunday Night Heat. But it was the end of 1678 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:51.000 that relationship that so catapulted the WWF into a different 1679 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:53.760 Stratosphere the worst out of the score in the Rock 1680 01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:56.399 and Wrestling Connection, Neil has a nice little piece on 1681 01:32:57.680 --> 01:32:59.640 what it all meant and what MTV meant at the time. 1682 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:04.880 Hello co chairs. During your coverage of the inaugural Islammy Awards, 1683 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.479 you both expressed confusion over the end of the working 1684 01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:12.119 relationship between MTV and the w during wrestling's nineteen eighties 1685 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:16.239 boom over the course of many over the course of 1686 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:21.600 many years. I you know, I still you know. Whenever 1687 01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:23.399 I play that, I think about the fact that what 1688 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:30.720 you said is from a random piece of video from 1689 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:37.680 a nineteen ninety one Yes news piece about Twin Peaks, 1690 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:42.159 and in fact, that guy saying huh, like where is he? 1691 01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:44.760 And I want to know who he is. I want 1692 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:46.800 to find him. I wanted him to know that he 1693 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:49.720 is immortalized. Now. That was a Minnesota radio station where 1694 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:52.159 they were taking calls from people who were anticipating the 1695 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:55.279 season finale. Yeah, yeah, and they're talking about like this 1696 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.159 guy would have Twin Peaks hour in the morning. He 1697 01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.159 just talk about Twin Peaks for like an hour or two. 1698 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:07.279 And this guy just water cooler talk in the Twin Cities. 1699 01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:11.760 Over the course of many years, I've worked on various 1700 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:15.039 music history projects, and there is admittedly very little spoken 1701 01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:19.119 about wrestling and MTV. However, there is a large enough 1702 01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:23.239 body of work surrounding the channel's history, and I think 1703 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:25.479 we can piece together what led the we to be 1704 01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:30.000 broadcast on MTV, as well as how those same factors 1705 01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:34.279 precipitated their exit from the network. Excellent. This is all 1706 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:39.159 admittedly speculative, but it represents my best guess after working 1707 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:43.479 with the available interviews, contemporaneous articles, and written histories across 1708 01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:47.079 from multiple projects. Throughout its existence, MTV has been a 1709 01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:52.000 land of contradictions that were never resolved to anyone's satisfaction. 1710 01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:56.039 Chief among them was their relationship with music videos. Music 1711 01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:58.439 videos were the lifeblood of the channel. They gave MTV 1712 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:01.279 a style and an identity that would tracked its earliest audience. 1713 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:05.039 The speed at which everything came to the viewer on 1714 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:09.720 MTV was otherworldly, and the deluge of artfully edited images 1715 01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:13.560 and sounds would extend past videos by Prince and Madonna 1716 01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:21.199 and permeate the interstitial segments, promos and interviews. The same time, 1717 01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:26.439 videos presented the largest existential threat to the viability of 1718 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:29.439 the channel Throughout its history. When it was launched in 1719 01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:33.520 nineteen eighty one, MTV's programming department came from rock radio. 1720 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:36.720 From its inception, the guiding philosophy of the channel was 1721 01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:40.720 that it would be the equivalent of televised FM radio station. 1722 01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:45.239 Of a televised FM radio station emanating from New York 1723 01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:49.039 City with its staff plugged into the city's vibrant taste 1724 01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:54.479 making music scene and co opt it to become trendsetters themselves. 1725 01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:58.279 They would be able to see the latest acts in 1726 01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:02.079 music firsthand, anticipate the next breakout stars before they made 1727 01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:06.439 it big, and provide a unique audio visual presentation that 1728 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:10.600 was foreign to music to music fans in the early 1729 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:14.439 nineteen eighties. I've spoken with a lot of people who 1730 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:16.760 were around for the launch of MTV, and they described 1731 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.640 the surreal feeling of seeing acts that they could only 1732 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:23.399 visualize through pictures and magazines coming to life before them. 1733 01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:26.960 I don't think we can appreciate how earth shattering that 1734 01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:30.239 transition was for the first generation yeah to watch music 1735 01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:34.520 videos unless we were there to witness it. It's useful 1736 01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:36.479 to think of MTV in those early years as being 1737 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:39.520 similar to Ted Turner's TVs. Turner felt that the world 1738 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:41.640 would fall in love with the culture of Atlanta, and 1739 01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:44.840 that if TBS reflected that way of life, that outsiders 1740 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.359 would also be smitten by the charms of their city. 1741 01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.319 In the same spirit as Turner, If MTV could bring 1742 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:52.840 the New York City music scene in nightlife to a 1743 01:36:52.920 --> 01:36:56.079 wider audience, they would have accomplished their goal as the 1744 01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:02.479 country's first musical and national music out However, since MTV 1745 01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:05.319 modeled itself at their NETSM radio station, they were going 1746 01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:09.279 to bring radio problems with them to television. Every audience 1747 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.760 survey conducted by MTV showed an unnerving reality that when 1748 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:17.880 viewers hit three or four music videos that they didn't 1749 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.720 care for, they would change the channel and usually not 1750 01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:24.199 return for an extended period. This is a common challenge 1751 01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:27.199 in radio and why arbitron ratings are measured. As a 1752 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.600 listener tuning in for five minutes during a fifteen minute interval, 1753 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:34.760 radio stations expect you to frequently turn the dial. It's 1754 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:38.199 a challenge built into the medium, and programming directors have 1755 01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:42.000 devised a variety of well worn tricks over the years 1756 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:45.439 to keep their audience listening, whether it's a call in contest, 1757 01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:51.159 an interview, with a music star or ad free music blocks. However, 1758 01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:54.079 those tactics only work if you are competing against other 1759 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:57.960 radio shows. Maybe your station has the challenge of retaining 1760 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.439 its audience for more than a few minutes, but so 1761 01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:06.319 does everyone else and down and down the dial. MTV's 1762 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:09.159 competition didn't have those problems. They were up against all 1763 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:15.239 manner of television game shows, sitcoms, network dramas, local news, sports, 1764 01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:18.720 et cetera. Shows people were going to tune into longer 1765 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:21.960 than five or six minutes. MTV tried to package videos 1766 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:24.720 in unique ways over the years that were similar to 1767 01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:29.880 the programming tactics of radio stations, guest celebrity vjays, specialty 1768 01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:33.399 genre blocks, contests, etc. But none of them met with 1769 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:37.840 more than a limited amount of success. Music videos defined MTV, 1770 01:38:37.960 --> 01:38:42.039 but they were also their biggest obstacle. It cannot be 1771 01:38:42.079 --> 01:38:46.319 overstated that what a frustrating problem audience retention was for MTV, 1772 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:50.399 and in its early days, most acutely, the channel's advertising 1773 01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:53.800 department was dismayed by the prospect of selling a grab 1774 01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:57.000 bag of shorts listed as quote, music videos unquote, and 1775 01:38:57.119 --> 01:39:01.359 TV guide with audience viewership habits that were that were 1776 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:06.079 that unpredictable. Perhaps advertisers could buy into the broader concepts 1777 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:09.760 behind them TV, but where were the shows? Where was 1778 01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:13.439 the stability? Growing up, I was a big Buffy the 1779 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.199 Vampire Slayer fan, and even though it never got the 1780 01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:18.960 kind of ratings that the big network dramas and comedies enjoyed, 1781 01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:23.439 advertisers were impressed and how loyal its audience was. Through 1782 01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:27.840 cast shakeups, network changes, and controversial creative decisions to directions, 1783 01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:31.840 Buffy consistently drew sevens and eights in the Nielsens. Between 1784 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.399 four and six million viewers watched the show religiously every week, 1785 01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:38.079 and we're not easily dissuaded from tuning in next week. 1786 01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:42.640 While networks love big ratings, they love predictability even more 1787 01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:46.159 because it gives you a lot of goodwill with potential 1788 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:49.840 sponsors when you can deliver a clearly defined and consistent audience. 1789 01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:52.079 And it's why we're in this situation we're in now 1790 01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:55.520 where Nielsen's tried and true method, as Neil talks about, 1791 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.159 of not trying to give a show credit for people 1792 01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:59.800 that come in and out, or at least not trying 1793 01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:01.600 to lose people that come in and out, you know, 1794 01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:04.159 kind of giving an average of a fifteen minute quarter 1795 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:07.640 hour to account for the fact that people switch around 1796 01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:10.520 a lot. Now we're in a situation we're streaming. All 1797 01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.039 they want to say is just a viewer number, accumulative 1798 01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:15.439 view number, and no one knows what that means. I mean, 1799 01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.279 they kind of do, but they don't know how Netflix 1800 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:20.520 precisely goes about it, or how Max goes about it, 1801 01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:23.119 or how Hulu goes about it. Is it a view 1802 01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:27.159 if you hit play on a tablet? Is it a view? 1803 01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:29.199 If you hit pause and hit play again? Is it 1804 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:31.680 a view? If your screen buffers and reconnects. Is it 1805 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:34.720 a view if you stop, go to the kitchen, and 1806 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:37.520 then hit resume when you come back from the home screen. 1807 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:39.960 It seems to be. It seems like all these things 1808 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.720 are counted as views, and it matters if it doesn't 1809 01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:47.119 matter if you change the channel. It kind of matters 1810 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:50.159 what happens, what your IP address records you doing on 1811 01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:53.600 the device throughout the course of the thing, and then 1812 01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:57.600 suddenly you're one person and your five views. And the 1813 01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:00.520 Nielsen system that he's describing was designed to guard against that, 1814 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:04.560 so you didn't have a situation where one person was 1815 01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:08.520 being double triple quadruple counted for coming in and out, 1816 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:12.479 and you guarded against that by the fifteen minute average. 1817 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:16.079 You guarded against also the possibility that six people are 1818 01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:18.520 in the room watching the show, and you shouldn't get 1819 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:20.760 credit for just one viewer, you should get credit for six. 1820 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:26.239 That's why there's the panel style research approach where people 1821 01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:29.880 fill out the arbitron rating sheets and literally agree to 1822 01:41:29.960 --> 01:41:33.439 be measured households that are statistically significant for the area 1823 01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:35.800 and have the demographic makeup where you could say this 1824 01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:39.079 household is representative and we can extrapolate from there how 1825 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:43.520 many people of a similar constitution were watching the show 1826 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:47.119 at this time as well. It's that convoluted because the 1827 01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:51.039 alternative is just to say this person watched. It's like, oh, yeah, 1828 01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:53.199 did he really? Because I'm paying a lot of money 1829 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.479 for this ad, you're telling me he watched. I have 1830 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:57.680 no idea if he got to my ad or not, 1831 01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:01.479 So how am I supposed to pay you? Here we are, though, 1832 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:04.600 right back to before all these innovations and all the 1833 01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:10.199 currency of this marketplace was established, and everyone's taking advantage 1834 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:12.640 of it, right, and no one wants to let Nielsen 1835 01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:15.239 under the hood on streaming they don't want to do it. 1836 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.600 They don't give a fuck they need to. Just you pay, 1837 01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:22.479 you pay what we tell you it costs. That's how 1838 01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:26.920 it's working right now. No third party to verify if 1839 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:30.800 people are actually watching or not. We need we need 1840 01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:36.000 a Hey, I might just shed the magic word. Get 1841 01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:38.039 me in there. All third party the shit out of them. 1842 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:42.319 Absolutely absolutely. I love third party as a verb. I 1843 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:47.359 love it. It'll probably take a it'll probably take an 1844 01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:50.359 Act of Congress. Literally, I wish they fucking would. I 1845 01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:52.920 don't know why they don't, but I wish they fucking would. 1846 01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.520 I mean, I think it's it's important. I mean, you know, 1847 01:42:56.760 --> 01:43:01.439 it's in many ways they the streaming. It's out of 1848 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:07.840 control with with I mean, I only speak from my 1849 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:13.199 own experience because of the fact that that streaming shows 1850 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:19.359 make give me way less money than shows on actual television. 1851 01:43:19.359 --> 01:43:23.159 And intuitively, you know that actual television is declining medium, 1852 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:26.399 that millions and millions less people have cable every year, 1853 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:29.039 and that streaming is where it's at, and that's where 1854 01:43:29.039 --> 01:43:32.680 all the eyeballs are in the next wave demographically that's 1855 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.399 coming through. Like we got to figure this out. Like 1856 01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:38.079 it doesn't make any sense that you're getting paid more 1857 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:40.960 and from a declining medium than one that has all 1858 01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:44.159 the upside on it. Right, But it's because it's exactly 1859 01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:46.319 what you're saying, is the fact that there's not an 1860 01:43:46.359 --> 01:43:52.079 objective party looking at it. It's all internal and they 1861 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.640 release whatever numbers they want to release. And they also 1862 01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:58.760 you know, like, well, you know, yes, you know, we 1863 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:03.720 had this us this show had fifteen billion views over 1864 01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:05.479 its first few weeks. But you know it's you know, 1865 01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:08.760 it's relative because it's you know, it's not really fifteen 1866 01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:11.239 billion views, because that's just you know, these are the 1867 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.279 things that happens. So we really you can't get paid 1868 01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:17.560 like you think you should, right exactly fifteen because fIF 1869 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:20.760 because here's the thing, fifteen billion views isn't fifteen trillion views. 1870 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:24.880 Maybe we get to fifteen trillion, we can talk business, 1871 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:28.560 but right now, these are just the things that you know, 1872 01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:31.640 of a delicate nature. And advertisers are to blame too, 1873 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:34.880 because if they would just say, nope, no money for you, 1874 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:37.880 Amazon Prime until you give us the full transparency and 1875 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:41.680 meant it, if Netflix ads business can get off the ground. 1876 01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:43.880 Until they insisted on that level of transparency they were 1877 01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:47.079 accustomed to they'd eventually release the numbers because the wouldn't 1878 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:49.439 want to pass up that money. They're all doing an 1879 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:52.399 ad play now, they're all inserting programmatic in there. It's 1880 01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:56.920 all AD supported now to some in some tiers, but 1881 01:44:57.079 --> 01:45:00.880 now just oh well, I feel my feels like we're 1882 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:03.800 hip if I'm on a streaming if I'm in streaming inventory, 1883 01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:06.640 so you tell me, you name your price so that 1884 01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:09.159 i can feel like I'm doing my job because I'm 1885 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:11.239 on Hulu even though I have no fucking idea if 1886 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:14.119 anyone even saw the ad, no fucking clue. They'll spit 1887 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:15.920 me out a report that says someone saw the ad, 1888 01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:19.680 but they're greating their own homework all day, which is one. 1889 01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:21.880 It's one thing when it's like a you know, fucking 1890 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:26.680 banner ad for a twelve dollars toy from China. You know, 1891 01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:29.000 it's one thing to let Facebook tell you how many 1892 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:32.199 people saw it. But when we're talking like NFL football games, 1893 01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:35.159 you're not gonna give me a break Fox. We need 1894 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:36.880 the full breakdown and the public needs to be able 1895 01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:39.720 to access it then exactly, you know you gotta pay 1896 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:42.399 Nielsen to get the full granularity on the on the 1897 01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:45.239 tail I'm not saying that, but it needs to be 1898 01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:49.119 generally circulated. How many people are watching these shows? If 1899 01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:52.000 you are not to defraud the advertiser, you know, and 1900 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:54.800 therefore defraud the public in a way. You know, it's 1901 01:45:54.840 --> 01:45:58.239 like you're inflating the cost of advertising so much that 1902 01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:02.840 like only people that are selling the absolute premium products 1903 01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:04.880 can afford it. It says, who, Well, how do we 1904 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.319 know that many people are watching it? You know, it's 1905 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:17.680 it's a weird deal we're in anyway, continue, where was 1906 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:18.000 the here? 1907 01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:18.359 Uh? 1908 01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:27.239 Okay? MTV needed the same level of audience stability. Unfortunately, 1909 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:30.199 when they launched the channel, it was with a skeletal budget. 1910 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:33.199 The music videos were paid for by the labels and 1911 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:36.600 given MTV at no charge. The arrangement was identical to 1912 01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:40.840 how radio stations received promotional copies of new records. Why 1913 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:43.800 would MTV need a production budget when the labels shouldered 1914 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:49.640 the bulk of the expense. Uh. Nevertheless, MTV needed ratings 1915 01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:53.319 and last and fast to keep the their ship afloat 1916 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:55.880 in the in their early years. Additionally, it had to 1917 01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:59.279 be with programming that and that an outside production company 1918 01:46:59.319 --> 01:47:01.960 would pay for and be willing to sell to the 1919 01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.199 channel at minimal cost. It would help if that programming 1920 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:08.159 originated from New York City to reflect the channel's tightly 1921 01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:12.479 honed image in presenting to their audience the city's nightlife. 1922 01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.359 If they could get a critically acclaimed pop star with 1923 01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:21.279 origins in the NYC club scene, like say Cydney Lauper, 1924 01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:25.600 it would be even closer in keeping with MTV's image. 1925 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:29.239 More than anything else, it had to be the programming. 1926 01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:32.960 It had to be programming with a loyal, built in 1927 01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:35.399 audience who could be counted on to find MTV on 1928 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:38.920 the dial and stay there for an extended period, something 1929 01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:42.119 that could calm the sponsors who already had one foot 1930 01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:46.039 out the door on the MTV experiment. For MTV, the 1931 01:47:46.079 --> 01:47:52.600 World's entertainment was uniquely suited to tick all these books 1932 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:55.600 very interesting well, I don't dispute the involvement of Dave 1933 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:58.880 Wolf in helping to broker this arrangement. It appears from 1934 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:02.159 all available evidence that it was fueled by MTV's desperation 1935 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:08.880 for cheap, original content more than their enthusiasm to pro wrestling. 1936 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:13.800 We saw a version of this story play out when 1937 01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:18.119 SmackDown started on UPN and nine. Paramount was running a 1938 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:23.560 critically reviled and commercially disappointing second tier startup network, and 1939 01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:31.520 desperately needed a show that could penetrate ratings, generate penetrate brother, 1940 01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:35.760 generate ratings with a consistent audience. The we swooped in 1941 01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:40.840 gave it to them. Even though the arrangement helped both 1942 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:44.279 ww and MTV, it was cattle. It was catalyzed by 1943 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:50.600 MTV's vulnerabilities in creating original programming. If MTV had if 1944 01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:57.159 MTB ever found itself doing well, things would get complicated. 1945 01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:01.920 While Wendy Richter and the The Fabulous Mullah were wrestling 1946 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.800 on MTV in nineteen eighty four, something incredible was happening. 1947 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:09.079 For a brief but sustain time, music videos caught fire. 1948 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:14.760 Michael Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran, Bruce Springsteen, Prince George, Michael 1949 01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:18.279 Van Helen, and many others put out videos that year 1950 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:23.560 which the youth of America ate up. This led to 1951 01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:27.119 an avalanche of new revenue from advertisers and record viewership. 1952 01:49:28.359 --> 01:49:31.359 When viacomfirst announced their purchase of MTV in late nineteen 1953 01:49:31.359 --> 01:49:35.680 eighty five from Warner MX, they were impressed enough by 1954 01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:38.439 the network's popularity in that revenue in eighty four to 1955 01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:42.640 give MTV a larger operating budget and a mandate to 1956 01:49:42.680 --> 01:49:46.399 create original programming for the network in house. The artists 1957 01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:50.720 who set nineteen eighty four on fire wouldn't have new 1958 01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:53.960 music for a while, and the continued popularity of videos 1959 01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:58.439 could not be guaranteed past that landmark year. We need content, 1960 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:02.640 that's right. Amidst the success was the palpable threat that 1961 01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:06.960 hung in the air that MTV would regress back to 1962 01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:09.760 their pre eighty four slump if a new generation of 1963 01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:15.920 acts didn't resonate as well with their audience. With all 1964 01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.239 these factors at the forefront of conversations at the network, 1965 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.520 it was time for MTV to create their own shows 1966 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:25.840 and play a bigger hand in controlling their destiny. The 1967 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.479 nineteen eighty six Slammys landed at an awkward time for 1968 01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:30.880 the rock and Wrestling connection. MTV was on our new 1969 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:33.600 ownership and with a robust budget to create new programming 1970 01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:36.479 slated to launch nineteen eighty seven. While it's not clear 1971 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:39.359 what Viacom thought of thee being on MTV, it was 1972 01:50:39.399 --> 01:50:42.279 apparent that the channel would not be in the we's 1973 01:50:42.399 --> 01:50:46.920 debt going forward. Yes, this is still a window at 1974 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:50.680 eighty six where original ww programming and benefit will benefit 1975 01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:54.239 the network. But Vince McMahon is very much a dead 1976 01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:57.720 man walking on this broadcast. I don't know if he 1977 01:50:57.800 --> 01:51:00.640 can sense the winds changing, but there is a palpable 1978 01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:04.079 desperation on the slammis broadcast to do anything to impress 1979 01:51:04.079 --> 01:51:06.760 a channel that ones needed him very badly, but was 1980 01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:11.239 now on the cusp of bigger things, not a position 1981 01:51:11.479 --> 01:51:16.039 Vince ever likes to end up in. So I'm always 1982 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:18.600 the bigger man. I should buy MTV. I made MTV. 1983 01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:23.159 I made MTV. I made MTV into an entertainment conglomerate. 1984 01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:24.600 That's your question, pal, what do you think the M 1985 01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:32.399 stands for McMahon McMahon Television. Yeah, I can actually see 1986 01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:36.239 like some regional broadcaster called McMahon Television. They are, oh yeah, 1987 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:40.239 for sure, twelve NBC affiliates and Greater Lexington, Kentucky McMahon 1988 01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:44.399 and Television Corporation. That's pretty funny. Well, yeah, great stuff, Neil, 1989 01:51:44.399 --> 01:51:46.960 Thanks very much for that essay. That's very insightful and 1990 01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:52.119 gets us a little closer to understanding why the WWFMTV 1991 01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.640 relationship went up and down so quickly. It just flamed 1992 01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:58.680 right out, and I can confirm that trying to get 1993 01:51:58.760 --> 01:52:01.119 some color from an MTV people on why it ended 1994 01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:04.680 is not easy. Okay, folks don't necessarily want to talk 1995 01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:08.640 about being reliant on WWF or why it stopped working. 1996 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:13.079 I think so. I think folks would rather talk about 1997 01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:15.520 other things in their career than how they had to 1998 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:18.079 ride the WWF tiger for a couple of years to 1999 01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:22.960 stay relevant. Christian a long time bad rock of the 2000 01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:26.199 Lapsed Fan Solar System. Day one motherfucker has a wonderful proposal. 2001 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:29.800 He calls it Boss the Lapsed Fan Summer Pilgrimage. Oh boy, 2002 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:32.800 go chairs. As the summer approaches on ten years of Lapsed, 2003 01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:35.439 I'm reflecting on how we are loyal Congregation of the 2004 01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:38.039 Church of Lapsed can pay o much to the greatest 2005 01:52:38.119 --> 01:52:41.199 award winning college podcast in the industry. We tithe, we 2006 01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:44.600 give testimony, we offer praise in worship through the Lapsed jukebox. 2007 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:48.079 We even proselytize to wayward souls lost in the wilderness 2008 01:52:48.079 --> 01:52:51.119 of modern www bullshit. We tell the stories, we sing 2009 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.079 the songs. We give of ourselves not because we expect 2010 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:57.720 a just reward and the hereafter, because we know we 2011 01:52:57.800 --> 01:52:59.920 will get our just serving of pain right here on 2012 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.880 this land we call Earth. Yes, the Lapsed Fan, like 2013 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:05.640 the Mighty Army of Jericho and no Nut, Chris has 2014 01:53:05.680 --> 01:53:09.399 openly served your hearts of zeal and zealous minds. We've 2015 01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:11.520 beaten down the doors where people have attempted to walk 2016 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:15.159 us out. We've evacuated the Mongols and moondogs two and 2017 01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:18.199 like the Christian Emperor Constantine, we've carried the banner of lapsed, 2018 01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:21.800 which proudly reads in this sign conquer m. This is 2019 01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:23.279 why I'm coming to you with a way for us 2020 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:25.319 to take it one step further, to be as our 2021 01:53:25.399 --> 01:53:27.640 Muslim brothers and sisters are true to the faith. I 2022 01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:31.800 submit to you the annual Lapsed Summer Pilgrimage. Throughout the summer, 2023 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.560 every lapsed fan, if able, will visit at least one 2024 01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:38.319 site of historical significance to the era when it used 2025 01:53:38.359 --> 01:53:41.199 to be better. There are many meccas and many city 2026 01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:44.279 civic centers as well, and so I propose we create 2027 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:48.600 a list of the definitive lapsed UNESCO World Pro Wrestling 2028 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:49.600 Heritage sites. 2029 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:49.840 Boss. 2030 01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:53.560 That's the notion you heard it here. First. The rules 2031 01:53:53.600 --> 01:53:55.600 are simple. Each member of the solar system may travel 2032 01:53:55.640 --> 01:53:57.920 to at least one venue or location throughout the summer. 2033 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:00.319 Take a picture of the place and report back on Twitter. 2034 01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:02.239 At the end of summer, a list will be made 2035 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:05.199 of the lapsed Genesco World Pro Wrestling Heritage sites, forever 2036 01:54:05.319 --> 01:54:08.359 marking the top locations representing why it used to be better. 2037 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:12.039 Guidelines One no building venue from the twenty tens e g. 2038 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:14.600 Anything built a renovated prier to two thousand and nine. 2039 01:54:15.079 --> 01:54:17.840 Two must have at least one significant moment in wrestling history. 2040 01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:22.720 Three can't include locations. Can include locations where studio wrestling 2041 01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:25.279 or house shows were filmed slash took place, for example 2042 01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:28.439 w R Alan Raleigh, the studio Allentown, PA. If it's 2043 01:54:28.439 --> 01:54:31.520 still standing, et cetera. While we went we went yep 2044 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:33.479 in the Fairal House now Intown. It's still there and 2045 01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:35.560 it's a great example of what you're talking about. Christian 2046 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:39.720 for a wrestling nay forty we stopped by Hamburgen Ringers 2047 01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:45.479 roosts for a a blt oh. Four must include a 2048 01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:48.399 selfie no stock photo and the sense of nasty sensation 2049 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:51.880 as well. And four must include a selfie no stock photos. 2050 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:53.479 So in the words of the late Pete Rose. How 2051 01:54:53.479 --> 01:54:56.760 about it, Christian. I love the idea. I love it 2052 01:54:56.800 --> 01:54:58.439 for a lot of reasons. One because you can trust 2053 01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:00.439 the labs fan solar system to find the cations that 2054 01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:03.479 no one else would find significance in. That's one thing. Yeah, 2055 01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:05.720 we're not just talking about taking a picture of Madison 2056 01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:09.720 Square Garden here, although that certainly belongs. I would actually 2057 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:11.399 urge you to get into the concourse and find the 2058 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:14.359 whole Cogan exhibit, right boss, or maybe even the gym, 2059 01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:17.239 the Jim Londo's one. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I would. 2060 01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:21.279 I would say, you know, find the wrestling photos in 2061 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:26.600 the picture like wall of fame that circles around the 2062 01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:32.279 main concourse. That's what I would do. Great idea. Love it. 2063 01:55:32.479 --> 01:55:34.119 Or if you can get on the suite level and 2064 01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:42.600 find the picture of Hogan and mister t and Liberaci, yes, 2065 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:46.039 great one. Go take a picture of the hotel in 2066 01:55:46.079 --> 01:55:48.960 Minneapolis where the Minneapolis Boxing and Wrestling Club is headquartered 2067 01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:52.039 and where the lady answered the phone wrestling office as 2068 01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:54.640 depicted in nineteen seventy four as the wrestler, And we're 2069 01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:58.199 vern fucking cut deals and cut checks and book talent 2070 01:55:58.319 --> 01:56:02.159 and collected his percentage. Let's see these places, Let's know 2071 01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:05.680 what they look like. Let's find a I think there's 2072 01:56:05.720 --> 01:56:08.199 a statue of Bruno in Pittsburgh or a plaque somewhere 2073 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:11.239 where you used to live. Got to see that. You're 2074 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:12.800 all over the place, if you're within the sound of 2075 01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:15.600 our voice. We know the geographic diversity of the listenership, 2076 01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:17.600 not only across the United States but across the world. 2077 01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:20.720 Is Steve in Ireland not going to go find the 2078 01:56:20.800 --> 01:56:22.760 dano O Mahony statue for us? I think he is. 2079 01:56:23.079 --> 01:56:24.680 I think he is. I think it's a fair ask 2080 01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:27.399 who can find the Easter ragg picture of the chic 2081 01:56:27.439 --> 01:56:30.560 and Fenway Park? I challenge you, it's there. Can you 2082 01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:33.840 find it? I know where it is. Let's fucking go. 2083 01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:37.399 I love the idea, Christian. It's a wonderful idea, and 2084 01:56:37.479 --> 01:56:40.039 it's wonderful not only because it's brilliant, but because we 2085 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:43.640 are the only podcast with a listenership capable of executing 2086 01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:46.319 on us in the way it needs to be executed upon. 2087 01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:48.720 And so we're not even bashful about broadcasting to the 2088 01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:50.720 world the notion the second you put it on the table, 2089 01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:54.560 and long may you share the credit? So love the idea. 2090 01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:56.520 Let it be the summer of Laps in your travels. 2091 01:56:56.800 --> 01:56:59.279 If you find your place vacationing somewhere where any wrestling 2092 01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:02.239 history took place, find a way the homie Blake. He 2093 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:05.439 sent us pictures of the Von Eric's grave site dabllas. 2094 01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:07.199 You know what I mean. These are things that I 2095 01:57:07.279 --> 01:57:09.479 never would have laid eyes on if not for enterprising 2096 01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:12.600 members of the Solar System showing us, leading us to water, 2097 01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:16.000 so to speak, so we can drink. So love the 2098 01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:17.760 idea and let it be a summer of lapsed and 2099 01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:20.159 let it long made continue. You can't find the Silver 2100 01:57:20.239 --> 01:57:23.319 Dome anymore, unfortunately, although I know it's probably there's probably 2101 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:28.199 some vestige of it left. Yeah. Yeah, Chris, long standing, 2102 01:57:28.760 --> 01:57:31.119 rock solid member of the Solar System rights drafting a 2103 01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:35.279 legal document and literally had to specifically distinguish between tax 2104 01:57:35.359 --> 01:57:39.079 forms filed for traditional employees and independent contractors. Your motors 2105 01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:43.079 needed a refresher. Your motor, this motor he's talking about himself, 2106 01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.880 needed a refresher on the mechanics. So what did he 2107 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:47.920 consult as an obvious source of truth on the matter. 2108 01:57:48.920 --> 01:57:55.000 Kevin Nash Shoot interview. Yes, that's Laps, absolutely that's lapsed. 2109 01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:57.880 Michael writes to us, I discovered your podcast several years 2110 01:57:57.880 --> 01:57:59.800 ago while searching for something to listen to at work. 2111 01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:02.119 Since then, I went along every Journey mains a w 2112 01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:04.640 A World Class starcade. About a year ago, I finally 2113 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:06.399 broke down and about a lapsed fan shirt from Pro 2114 01:58:06.439 --> 01:58:08.520 Wrestling Tease, wearing it at least once a week while 2115 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:10.279 out in about I hope someone will recognize it and 2116 01:58:10.359 --> 01:58:12.319 maybe say you a fan, But sadly that has yet 2117 01:58:12.359 --> 01:58:14.920 to happen. Still hoping that day will come. After listening 2118 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:17.000 to the Wrestling with Shadows episode I wanted more, I 2119 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:19.159 was saddened to see the Beyond the Mat episode locked 2120 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:20.680 by a paywall. I think we eventually put that in 2121 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:22.760 the main feed, didn't we? I think we hit I 2122 01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:25.560 think that's a uh no, I don't think so, because 2123 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:29.279 it's still kind of newish. Maybe we put maybe we 2124 01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:31.520 put half of it on. Maybe I'm thinking of Paradise Alley. 2125 01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:34.800 Then me put Paradise Alley up. It was part of 2126 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:38.439 the lapsed funk. We did surface some use the lips funk. 2127 01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:41.479 It happened. We did be on the mat in the 2128 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:44.840 midst of the laps funk correct correct, So yeah, yeah, 2129 01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:46.960 that's maybe that'll find its way one day, maybe a 2130 01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:50.000 little matriculate, because that's one of those one of those 2131 01:58:50.079 --> 01:58:53.359 bedrock ones that after they've been on the Patreon shell 2132 01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:55.720 for a while, it's time to let the people. Uh, 2133 01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:59.159 it's like throwing the steak down the down the basement 2134 01:58:59.199 --> 01:59:02.960 stairs to the docks down there. I'm a cheap bastard, 2135 01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:04.640 he writes. That's okay, but I finally grew a pair 2136 01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:07.319 of grapefruits and decided to pay my dues. So twenty dollars. 2137 01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:09.800 It is bingo, but it's well worth every penny, and 2138 01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:11.600 you guys deserve all of it. Thanks for all you do, 2139 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:13.680 Long Live Lapsed Michael. Thank you very much for the 2140 01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:16.439 email and for the support, and we're very grateful that 2141 01:59:16.520 --> 01:59:19.359 you saw us fit to put some cake on the table. 2142 01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:22.720 Put some cake on the table. You're not as cheap 2143 01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:25.079 as you thought you were, Buddy Bruno. I want to 2144 01:59:25.119 --> 01:59:29.520 thank you very much for upping that pledge. I appreciate it. Yeah, sure, Ali, 2145 01:59:29.680 --> 01:59:32.319 thank you, he writes. Why is the concept of loading 2146 01:59:32.479 --> 01:59:34.720 something i e. A boot, a glove or a purse 2147 01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:35.640 so funny? 2148 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:36.640 Oh? 2149 01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:39.560 Because I mean, can you help us with this, boss. 2150 01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:41.800 I mean, I mean, just think about the idea that 2151 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:47.600 it's loaded. Is it nachos, baked potato? I mean, what 2152 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:51.000 are you putting in a boot that makes it loaded? 2153 01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.319 You know? Are you are you feeling it with cement? 2154 01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:57.600 Is it loaded with like the purses have a brick 2155 01:59:57.680 --> 02:00:01.880 in them? Usually? Right? But like why is the is 2156 02:00:02.319 --> 02:00:07.560 you know, the loaded the Haliburton briefcase. You know, as 2157 02:00:07.680 --> 02:00:11.960 there's the idea of loading something and the fact that 2158 02:00:12.560 --> 02:00:14.640 I mean, I guess what really makes it even funnier 2159 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:17.880 is that it's as it's it's still easy to pick 2160 02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:20.760 up no matter how loaded it is and swing it 2161 02:00:21.199 --> 02:00:23.880 full speed, you know, right, you know, you can still 2162 02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:26.760 just toss it like a like a like a pebble 2163 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:29.279 and name something even though it's loaded. Name something you 2164 02:00:29.319 --> 02:00:31.520 could toss like a pebble that would hurt more if 2165 02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:33.119 it hit someone in the head than if you just 2166 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.000 had this right. I mean, if you think about it, 2167 02:00:36.079 --> 02:00:38.439 it's like, okay, if you're gonna if you get to 2168 02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:42.760 actually load something so that it hurts somebody more, you 2169 02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.039 have to put a lot of shit in to make 2170 02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:48.520 it and to make it really heavy, not just a 2171 02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:51.680 little It's funny. A thin film strip of steel in 2172 02:00:51.760 --> 02:00:54.000 the in the mask, you know, to add to that 2173 02:00:54.079 --> 02:00:57.680 head button, right right, hilarious, It is funny. Loaded boots 2174 02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:02.359 are fucking hilarious. Loaded. Give me a loaded full of shit, 2175 02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:04.680 is what it is. Load. Yeah, Actually a lot of 2176 02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:07.319 these guys get loaded after the shows. We said earlier 2177 02:01:07.359 --> 02:01:09.439 and at the credit here goes to Josh. Josh is 2178 02:01:09.439 --> 02:01:11.560 the one that linked us up to the Austin versus 2179 02:01:11.560 --> 02:01:15.119 Savage WCW match. So I wanted to throw appreci his way. Appreac. 2180 02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:18.039 That's a new one, Chad Kroeger. Yeah, I just want 2181 02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:20.600 to sho appreached to Mondays. Now I know you're thinking, Chad, 2182 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:24.079 she appreached to Mondays. Cobra Jones, thank you very much 2183 02:01:24.359 --> 02:01:28.640 for your meaty pledge. We appreciate the cake. Andrew, who's 2184 02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:33.039 a great supporter of the fucking cast Mabel Toys Rocking 2185 02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:36.840 and Rolling right, we're talking, oh yeah, oh yeah. He's 2186 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:39.800 friendly with Larry's Abisco. He has talked about this over 2187 02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:41.920 the years, and we were talking on our World War 2188 02:01:41.960 --> 02:01:45.119 three nine ninety six episode what about Larry? What was 2189 02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:48.399 he thinking when the barbarian was laying into Lee Marshall 2190 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.159 at ringside and what appeared to be an unscripted attack 2191 02:01:51.239 --> 02:01:53.279 where Lee Marshall suddenly was thrust into the position of 2192 02:01:53.359 --> 02:01:56.319 having to sell for a monster pro wrestler and still 2193 02:01:56.399 --> 02:01:59.920 somehow commentate the the Battle Royal. Unfortunately for us, well, 2194 02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:02.439 fortunately for us, Andrew was able to ask Larry. Unfortunately 2195 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:05.560 for us, Larry had no recollection whatsoever course of the 2196 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:09.039 whole thing. But I felt that it was worth reporting 2197 02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:13.039 back because Android made the effort. And he also urges 2198 02:02:13.079 --> 02:02:16.520 you to check out Larry's Obisco's song. I don't know 2199 02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:19.119 if you know that there was a Larry's Abisco song. Boss. 2200 02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:22.399 Do you hear anything about this? No, there's a We'll 2201 02:02:22.439 --> 02:02:24.159 come up on it later too. Someone linked us to 2202 02:02:24.199 --> 02:02:27.239 a great compendium that someone had created on a website 2203 02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:30.520 of like wrestling related albums, and there's like a hundred 2204 02:02:30.520 --> 02:02:32.319 of them on there. It's like there are so many 2205 02:02:32.359 --> 02:02:36.359 of these novelty things along the lines of the wrestling album. 2206 02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:40.640 And we spent a lot of time getting into getting 2207 02:02:40.640 --> 02:02:43.520 into the wrestling album. Uh and and kind of it's 2208 02:02:43.600 --> 02:02:47.319 pre its precursors when we did the Slammy Show and 2209 02:02:47.399 --> 02:02:51.000 all of the things that you know, all all the 2210 02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:54.640 things that that fit that category. I'm trying to find 2211 02:02:54.720 --> 02:02:57.720 here it's a Bisco's song. I'm not going to find it, 2212 02:02:57.800 --> 02:03:00.319 I don't think. But it's called boo on me. If 2213 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:01.600 you want to try to find it on us. 2214 02:03:03.279 --> 02:03:19.159 He's a laps fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 2215 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:22.760 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 2216 02:03:37.439 --> 02:03:41.359 He's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio 2217 02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:42.840 and JP Sorrow. 2218 02:03:46.720 --> 02:04:00.359 Here it comes t L A f l's us go 2219 02:04:00.520 --> 02:04:15.520 boo on a man? Oh hate? So come on, you 2220 02:04:15.840 --> 02:04:33.880 just can't wait. That's poo Yeah you did. Oh my god, 2221 02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:37.359 this make me cry. Enjoy that. 2222 02:04:38.439 --> 02:04:38.479 No. 2223 02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:41.199 I figured we owed it to Andrew Putting in the world. Wow, 2224 02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:44.399 what a fuck. They're trying to get it relaunched. They 2225 02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:47.920 think there's a market. Get on Spotify, baby, send some 2226 02:04:48.239 --> 02:04:54.800 some royalties. The Legend's Way and the golf Polo. Dan 2227 02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:57.079 wants you to know that. Coincidentally, twin Peaks is also 2228 02:04:57.119 --> 02:05:00.359 the name of a sleazy hooter's knockoff restaurant, Chaine Twin 2229 02:05:00.399 --> 02:05:05.159 Peaks Restaurant dot com. Boss. Well, I mean, hey, let's 2230 02:05:05.199 --> 02:05:08.279 do it makes less sense as fan Marv. Great to 2231 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:10.319 see backpal. Thank you very much for your support. We 2232 02:05:10.439 --> 02:05:15.000 appreciate it. Graveyard Entertainment also a wonderful supporter on Patreon. 2233 02:05:15.880 --> 02:05:18.680 He says, if being excited by nine hours on a 2234 02:05:18.760 --> 02:05:21.039 movie isn't a clear indication that I have a problem, 2235 02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:25.479 there is no problem, and that's exactly correct. Logan writes, 2236 02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:27.600 thank you for taking this journey into David Lynch. His 2237 02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:29.800 work was a blind spot for me, so it's been 2238 02:05:29.840 --> 02:05:31.880 great learning about him. I've seen all his movies now, 2239 02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:34.000 and on season three of Twin Peaks, I highly recommend 2240 02:05:34.039 --> 02:05:36.239 to The Straight Story. It's a heartwarming and very well 2241 02:05:36.319 --> 02:05:38.399 acted story of a seventy three year old man determined 2242 02:05:38.399 --> 02:05:40.520 to make amends with his brother, with one hilarious scene 2243 02:05:40.560 --> 02:05:43.000 that reminds you it's a Lynch movie. My favorite of 2244 02:05:43.039 --> 02:05:44.880 his would be Blue Velvet. However, I still think of 2245 02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:47.600 that movie over a month after seeing it. Also, the 2246 02:05:47.640 --> 02:05:50.479 original pilot for mohalland Drive is up on Internet archive 2247 02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:53.399 if anyone is interested in watching it is Doctor, which 2248 02:05:54.359 --> 02:05:58.720 again is basically the same movie. For those who who 2249 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:02.439 you know, listen to the Twin Peaks episodes. Basically is 2250 02:06:02.479 --> 02:06:08.840 the same movie, but without the female uh kind of 2251 02:06:09.600 --> 02:06:14.039 love angle love angle, right, Yeah, so much, so much 2252 02:06:14.079 --> 02:06:18.039 more to learn about David Lynch. But you know, the 2253 02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:21.479 Twin Peaks connections were there, from some indies doing Twin 2254 02:06:21.560 --> 02:06:24.239 Peaks gimmicks to of course the Brazan Goo and Tyler 2255 02:06:24.319 --> 02:06:27.399 Breeze doing the Twin Peaks knockoffs gets on raw. So 2256 02:06:27.520 --> 02:06:30.199 we had we had the connections we needed for that 2257 02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:34.359 that stop. We mentioned the PayPal tip jar option earlier. 2258 02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:37.319 Zach who just supports us in every way you can imagine. Also, 2259 02:06:37.840 --> 02:06:40.560 uh gave us at a boy at the conclusion of 2260 02:06:40.600 --> 02:06:43.199 the David Lynch tribute, sending us some cake and saying 2261 02:06:43.279 --> 02:06:45.960 for the coachairs to give themselves the present of one 2262 02:06:46.039 --> 02:06:49.279 slice of pie or a milkshake. We'll take We'll take 2263 02:06:49.359 --> 02:06:51.600 up on that one of these days. Well, we'll have 2264 02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:55.520 it and we'll show it to you. Yeah. William wants 2265 02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:57.199 to know. Well first, he says, I'm proud of the 2266 02:06:57.239 --> 02:06:59.600 Solar System for not spoiling the killer in Twin Peaks, 2267 02:06:59.760 --> 02:07:01.800 and I love JP for the cliffhanger. Well done, sir. 2268 02:07:01.960 --> 02:07:03.640 Did you actually tell Jack or did you leave him 2269 02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:06.800 hanging as well? I told him, I did tell him. 2270 02:07:06.840 --> 02:07:08.159 I cut you know. I don't he I even told 2271 02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:10.079 you I cut that out of the episode. Oh shit, 2272 02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:13.079 see I thought that made the episode. No, I decided 2273 02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:14.840 to cut it out. I had no idea that about that. 2274 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:17.640 That's huge, What a great thing to talk about. Then here, Yeah, 2275 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:20.760 I I I I was. I got right to the 2276 02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:27.359 point where I was about to say, and then I 2277 02:07:27.439 --> 02:07:30.800 put the the montage on. I had no idea. Yeah, 2278 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.800 because you told me after we finished the movie in 2279 02:07:33.880 --> 02:07:35.840 a way that still sounded like you were on. You know, 2280 02:07:36.199 --> 02:07:36.560 we were on. 2281 02:07:36.720 --> 02:07:37.079 We were on. 2282 02:07:37.319 --> 02:07:39.279 I mean, I recorded that was it. That was a 2283 02:07:39.319 --> 02:07:42.399 decision afterwards. That was a decision, as I was probably 2284 02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:46.520 why did you make that decision? Because I think people 2285 02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:49.000 should see it? Yep, I think people should see it 2286 02:07:49.039 --> 02:07:51.880 for themselves. I think it. I think it. It just 2287 02:07:52.039 --> 02:07:58.720 it's such a revelation that it it's it's just amazing. 2288 02:07:58.840 --> 02:08:02.119 It's amazing revelation. What do they need to know about 2289 02:08:02.159 --> 02:08:03.920 how much more Twin Peaks they have to watch? If 2290 02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:06.640 you want to divulge that even to get that, you 2291 02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:08.760 just got to get through to find out, You've got 2292 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:12.640 to get about maybe a third of the way through 2293 02:08:13.560 --> 02:08:19.159 season two. Okay, And I hope the theme song doesn't change, no, 2294 02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:22.760 no at all, no im faces of the name absolutely, man. 2295 02:08:22.880 --> 02:08:24.479 I mean, if that wasn't in my head, I put 2296 02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:26.920 it on the car once. It's so great. I realized 2297 02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:29.239 that's a great, great piece of music. I actually, you know, 2298 02:08:29.680 --> 02:08:32.720 it's funny. After I watched that the whole thing the 2299 02:08:32.760 --> 02:08:39.880 first time back in two thousand and whatever, I I 2300 02:08:40.039 --> 02:08:43.760 bought the soundtrack album. Wow, I bought the soundtrack album, 2301 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.560 so I got all that music, all that great Angelo 2302 02:08:46.600 --> 02:09:00.359 Badam and oh God disusing it. Boom boom boom the waterfall. Ah, 2303 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:02.880 it's beautiful, Oh so beautiful. And then you have to 2304 02:09:02.920 --> 02:09:06.640 hear the whole thing, the whole under the Cinema Lynch 2305 02:09:06.680 --> 02:09:09.520 tribute Twin Peaks tribute is worth it to get to 2306 02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.479 that end where boss Man hits you, that montage to 2307 02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:15.600 that music of all the nuggets of wisdom that David 2308 02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:19.399 Lynch portrayed and conveyed, I should say, in his time 2309 02:09:19.439 --> 02:09:22.960 here on earth, and it is truly a beautiful ending. 2310 02:09:23.079 --> 02:09:27.520 So highest recommendation. Tim writes to us son, I'm expected 2311 02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:29.479 to you know, honest to God, that was not that 2312 02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:31.600 was not on my plan for twenty twenty five, and 2313 02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:33.920 amazing how that happens, son of a bitch had to 2314 02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:38.039 go and die. Hey, that's another great thing about the 2315 02:09:38.119 --> 02:09:39.279 format here. We're flexible. 2316 02:09:39.319 --> 02:09:39.439 Man. 2317 02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:43.279 We strike when they're it's hot. Yeah, no excuses, clear 2318 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:45.159 the whole deck. We don't give a fuck. All right, fine, 2319 02:09:45.640 --> 02:09:47.920 this whole podcast will be about Terry Funk for eight months. 2320 02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.000 Fuck you, it's right. This whole podcast will be about 2321 02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:53.520 TNA in twenty ten. Fuck you, No podcast will be 2322 02:09:53.560 --> 02:09:55.720 about SID for eight months. We don't give a fuck. 2323 02:09:56.039 --> 02:10:00.840 And that's right. Go fuck yourself exactly, Tim eat shit, Yeah, 2324 02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:04.039 you're starting to get there rights to us on our 2325 02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:06.039 World War three ninety six episode. World War three is 2326 02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:08.239 probably the worst gimmick match of all. But as a kid, 2327 02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:11.079 I thought they should have simulcast each ring. I imagine 2328 02:10:11.079 --> 02:10:12.720 they may have needed to pay cable systems more to 2329 02:10:12.720 --> 02:10:14.520 get three channels of pay per view, but maybe put 2330 02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:17.279 the three rings on TNT, then hard cameras on each ring, 2331 02:10:17.319 --> 02:10:18.640 and put it on the center ring on the main 2332 02:10:18.680 --> 02:10:20.960 pay per view ring, then split the others to TBS 2333 02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:23.439 and I don't know, CNN, Court TV. There's the thought 2334 02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:26.960 you can watch, you choose which ring you watch contained 2335 02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:29.520 the stressing Ida that's not bad idea at all, actually, 2336 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:34.119 I mean if you had yeah, yeah, it could be interesting. 2337 02:10:34.279 --> 02:10:36.399 Especially with streaming now, I mean it complicates it because 2338 02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:38.399 if it's pay per view, you can't just as well 2339 02:10:38.439 --> 02:10:41.079 put one of the rings on free TV. But now 2340 02:10:41.159 --> 02:10:42.800 you could do it. I remember UFC used to do 2341 02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:45.239 that when they used to have before they got in 2342 02:10:45.279 --> 02:10:47.399 bed with the ESPN, they used to offer their pay 2343 02:10:47.439 --> 02:10:49.720 per views on their own streaming service, like their version 2344 02:10:49.720 --> 02:10:52.399 of WW network, and they actually went all out that 2345 02:10:52.520 --> 02:10:55.520 you could toggle sound so like during the course of 2346 02:10:55.560 --> 02:10:57.319 the fight, instead of listening to the commentators, you could 2347 02:10:57.359 --> 02:11:01.239 listen to the corner men shouting the instructions and actually 2348 02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:03.640 caught the corner men saying some fascinating things and some 2349 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:05.359 key fights over the years. That was kind of like 2350 02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:07.800 an interesting fun exercises to go back and see what 2351 02:11:07.840 --> 02:11:10.479 you could piece together just listening to the quarter audio afterwards. 2352 02:11:10.760 --> 02:11:13.399 And you could pick I believe you could if I'm 2353 02:11:13.439 --> 02:11:16.159 remembering correctly. You could pick camera angles as well. They 2354 02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:18.399 did a ton of experimental stuff and it really was cool. 2355 02:11:19.439 --> 02:11:21.159 But WW didn't do anything like that. I mean they 2356 02:11:21.159 --> 02:11:22.880 would have to get buy in from like Peacock. It's 2357 02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:24.479 not like they could just do it. But even when 2358 02:11:24.479 --> 02:11:27.079 they had the network, there wasn't there wasn't much fun 2359 02:11:27.119 --> 02:11:28.600 you could have, you know what I mean with like 2360 02:11:28.720 --> 02:11:31.039 how you took it in and I wonder if that 2361 02:11:31.159 --> 02:11:34.520 there's some space for that. Corey Barnett, thanks very much 2362 02:11:34.680 --> 02:11:37.640 for your pledge. We appreciate you joining the inner circle 2363 02:11:37.680 --> 02:11:42.079 here at tlf on. David Lynch, Carlo Wright. It's all 2364 02:11:42.079 --> 02:11:45.720 about trust, after all. Without the trust, David Lynch engenders 2365 02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:48.920 he is the definition and exemplar of the pervy, pretentious, 2366 02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:51.880 tortured artist gimmick yep. For example, in the middle of production, 2367 02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:53.439 he says to his lead actors, I just had a 2368 02:11:53.520 --> 02:11:56.880 vision in meditation. I just added eighteen pages to the script. 2369 02:11:56.920 --> 02:11:58.119 And by the way, the two of you are going 2370 02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:00.840 to have sex nude on camera and you, Naomi, you 2371 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:02.920 are going to lay down and masturbate. And what do 2372 02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:05.920 you think about that? Girls? Very tasteful, very safe. We're 2373 02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:08.960 going to need a lot of takes to get it right. Wow. Yep, 2374 02:12:09.479 --> 02:12:15.199 that's what he did, pretty much what he did, ye Naomi, Naomi, 2375 02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:20.600 you gotta keep doing it, keep rubbing the pussy. You 2376 02:12:20.760 --> 02:12:24.359 got no farder, the not your the I mean pussy 2377 02:12:24.439 --> 02:12:27.039 is offensive enough in that scenario, he says. 2378 02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:27.000 The. 2379 02:12:31.800 --> 02:12:36.880 No, no, harder, harder, Naomi, that is a huge distinction 2380 02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:39.239 in life. Like we talked, We've talked about how much 2381 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:40.960 of a difference maker it is when a dick is 2382 02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:43.680 out as opposed to end right, how it changes the 2383 02:12:43.880 --> 02:12:47.880 entire mood within a twenty minute radius. But similarly, like 2384 02:12:48.359 --> 02:12:55.560 the and your huge difference big is or that you 2385 02:12:55.640 --> 02:12:59.279 know that is even better, like you know, like you 2386 02:12:59.399 --> 02:13:02.159 just said, like you know, touch not your pussy, touched 2387 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:07.119 that pussy. I don't know even like you know, eat 2388 02:13:07.159 --> 02:13:10.359 your dinner, eat that dinner, Eat that dinner, Eat the dinner, 2389 02:13:10.479 --> 02:13:13.119 eat that dinner. It comes off so much differently. Yes, 2390 02:13:14.239 --> 02:13:16.520 William writes, there was a Simpsons episode where Homer is 2391 02:13:16.520 --> 02:13:18.760 watching Twin Peaks, sitting on the couch, a piece of 2392 02:13:18.840 --> 02:13:21.079 popcorn clenched between his fingers, and he says something on 2393 02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:22.960 the lines of this show is amazing. I have no 2394 02:13:23.079 --> 02:13:28.520 idea what it's about. That's pretty good, and he remembers 2395 02:13:28.640 --> 02:13:33.000 the six cassette box. Is that a Twin Peaks? Yes, Yeah, 2396 02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:41.000 that was a that was That was the VHS cassette 2397 02:13:41.199 --> 02:13:44.960 they released vs. A VHS box set in ninety five. 2398 02:13:45.119 --> 02:13:49.000 First and no, they released the the Laser Disc in Japan, 2399 02:13:49.159 --> 02:13:52.199 but then the VHS box set in the State's huge 2400 02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:56.119 in so you could get the complete Twin Peaks on 2401 02:13:56.239 --> 02:13:59.399 VHS in nineteen ninety five. That's amazing. Yep, all all 2402 02:13:59.479 --> 02:14:01.479 thirty up since the earliest I ever heard of something 2403 02:14:01.560 --> 02:14:04.279 like that. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I knew movies 2404 02:14:04.479 --> 02:14:06.760 move they did that with movies. Yeah, movie, I remember 2405 02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:11.119 they did that with the Star Trek, the original Star 2406 02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:15.239 Trek movies, but not not TV I don't remember. I mean, 2407 02:14:15.239 --> 02:14:18.680 I know they'd have best of you know, or selections 2408 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:22.600 of movies, but not like that, not the whole fun 2409 02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:27.600 That's that's a DVD thing exactly. William writes that six 2410 02:14:27.720 --> 02:14:30.520 cassette box was what my local video store, which was 2411 02:14:30.560 --> 02:14:35.119 called That's re Entertainment had, and was. I was slinging coffee. 2412 02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:36.760 This is a great memory. I was slinging coffee at 2413 02:14:36.840 --> 02:14:40.079 Espresso Royale. I'd take my tip jar earnings, walk from 2414 02:14:40.119 --> 02:14:42.479 the coffee shop a block to the video store, grab 2415 02:14:42.560 --> 02:14:45.640 a peeks, then walk two blocks to a Vietnamese takeout, 2416 02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:48.239 then walked the last two blocks to my apartment I 2417 02:14:48.359 --> 02:14:50.439 was in my early twenties and the late nineties broke 2418 02:14:50.520 --> 02:14:54.039 as hell and it was awesome. Amen, man, you put 2419 02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:58.680 me there. What a night? What a night in incredible 2420 02:14:58.920 --> 02:15:02.000 Chris notices on World War Three nine ninety six. Under 2421 02:15:02.039 --> 02:15:04.920 commented by anyone so far was Tony Schiavanni calling heenan 2422 02:15:05.479 --> 02:15:09.520 Bob early in the zoo. Yeah, Bob, that's huge with 2423 02:15:09.680 --> 02:15:15.079 his contemptuous tone for the brain. We talked about Tony 2424 02:15:15.119 --> 02:15:19.520 Penya on an episode and Tom who knows the area 2425 02:15:19.600 --> 02:15:21.920 well and World War Three, we talked about him because 2426 02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:24.640 Tony Penya was a name that Viano three one under 2427 02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:27.119 when he was unmasked when he first came to WCW 2428 02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:30.079 and we were like, where is Tony Penya coming from? 2429 02:15:30.159 --> 02:15:31.800 Why is that ringing a bell? Tom fills it in, 2430 02:15:31.920 --> 02:15:34.600 which is another great use case for the feedback show 2431 02:15:34.640 --> 02:15:37.079 and Patrio. Tony Penya was a coach for the Yankees 2432 02:15:37.079 --> 02:15:38.680 after his playing days. Was on the two thousand nine 2433 02:15:38.680 --> 02:15:41.840 World Series Championship staff. Also, I'm doing a Scar Blaye journey. 2434 02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:44.159 We listened and just finish nineteen ninety six earlier this week. 2435 02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:47.840 Always grateful for that lapsed serendipity, he writes, as as 2436 02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:50.239 boss half remembered per that episode, And this was another 2437 02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:53.000 thing that we struggled to recall precisely on the World 2438 02:15:53.039 --> 02:15:55.000 War three episode because of course that's the first pay 2439 02:15:55.039 --> 02:15:57.000 per view where Bischoff comes out as a heel as 2440 02:15:57.000 --> 02:15:59.640 a member of the NYO, having turned on Piper a 2441 02:15:59.680 --> 02:16:02.199 couple weeks before, but we couldn't remember, like if they 2442 02:16:02.319 --> 02:16:04.439 just had him turn and didn't really explain what the 2443 02:16:04.520 --> 02:16:07.319 hell would lead the fucking boss of WCW to join 2444 02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:12.239 the nWo side. Per that episode, Tom writes Bischoff had 2445 02:16:12.279 --> 02:16:13.920 offered if you can't beat him, join him as his 2446 02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:16.920 reason for turning on WCW. Yeah, he basically says, because 2447 02:16:16.920 --> 02:16:20.640 we were like, so he let Kevin Nash powerbomba at 2448 02:16:20.640 --> 02:16:23.920 Great American Bash just to fool people for six months 2449 02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:27.119 before you finally revealed what his grand plan was. But 2450 02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:29.960 he goes on to say that apparently, which we have 2451 02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:32.200 talked about in the past because we covered it a 2452 02:16:32.239 --> 02:16:35.639 bit more on the nose, that he basically said after 2453 02:16:35.959 --> 02:16:38.239 that attack from the Outsider, so the Great American Bash, 2454 02:16:38.280 --> 02:16:40.920 he realized that he was just fighting an uphill battle 2455 02:16:41.079 --> 02:16:43.319 and he had to So he's saying he's basically in 2456 02:16:43.399 --> 02:16:46.559 the tank for the nWo. Shortly since, shortly after that 2457 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:49.840 and the Grand Plan revealed itself, and it was on 2458 02:16:49.959 --> 02:16:52.520 that Nitro two or around that nitro where he was like, 2459 02:16:52.600 --> 02:16:56.120 everyone has to declare their allegiance and everyone has a 2460 02:16:56.639 --> 02:16:59.000 twenty four hours or whatever the nWo was saying, everyone 2461 02:16:59.040 --> 02:17:00.760 has twenty four hours say if you're with us or 2462 02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:04.239 against us or whatever. So Chris, thank you very much 2463 02:17:04.280 --> 02:17:06.120 for bumping up your pledge. We appreciate it. Up to 2464 02:17:06.159 --> 02:17:08.760 that EP tier. That's that's a big boy move of you, 2465 02:17:08.840 --> 02:17:13.120 and we note it and we appreciate it. Adam writs, 2466 02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:17.000 considering how many TLF exchanges involve wrestlers transforming into others 2467 02:17:18.159 --> 02:17:22.719 or having their CPU meltdown mid sentence, Oh boy, it's 2468 02:17:22.719 --> 02:17:24.600 safe to say that the co chairman were lynching for 2469 02:17:24.760 --> 02:17:28.520 years before this beautiful tribute. Very true, very true. With that, 2470 02:17:28.639 --> 02:17:30.200 send me a related note, he says, I always thought 2471 02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:32.280 Chris Isaac looked like a young Randy Orton in Twin 2472 02:17:32.319 --> 02:17:35.000 Peaks fire Walk with Me, especially when he beats the 2473 02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:42.000 ship out of the Redneck Shriff. Always liked those doppelgangers 2474 02:17:42.040 --> 02:17:44.840 around here, ye. Jacob Wright started watching Twin peaks around 2475 02:17:44.879 --> 02:17:46.680 the time the Deep Dive started, and I'm loving it. 2476 02:17:46.879 --> 02:17:48.959 I'm gonna mis lapsed Lynch. I hope you all finish 2477 02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.000 the Laura Palmer arc in the future. I actually enjoyed 2478 02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:53.040 you the first nine episodes of season two more than 2479 02:17:53.159 --> 02:17:56.239 season one. Yeah, I mean, the beginning of season two 2480 02:17:56.319 --> 02:17:59.719 is great. You agree with that? Yeah, oh yeah, Listen, 2481 02:17:59.840 --> 02:18:03.520 it all goes downhill after after the revelation and when 2482 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:05.520 that when when the kind of when the Laura Palmer 2483 02:18:05.799 --> 02:18:09.399 Palmer storyline ends. It just I mean, and again I 2484 02:18:09.520 --> 02:18:13.719 don't hate it. It's just it's just not what it was. Yeah, 2485 02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:18.000 you know, because again, like I said when we were 2486 02:18:18.040 --> 02:18:23.159 doing it, people don't know when they're watching something like this, 2487 02:18:23.360 --> 02:18:27.639 they think they want they think they want the answer. Yes, 2488 02:18:27.959 --> 02:18:31.399 but you don't want the answer because the fun of 2489 02:18:31.520 --> 02:18:34.440 the show was in the who done it aspect of it. 2490 02:18:35.879 --> 02:18:43.319 Once you know the game's over and that it is, 2491 02:18:44.079 --> 02:18:46.879 and I think they could have, you know, the the 2492 02:18:47.719 --> 02:18:51.159 I don't. It's hard. It's very hard. I'm not saying 2493 02:18:51.200 --> 02:18:53.520 I knew the answer this and obviously we're looking back 2494 02:18:53.559 --> 02:18:56.520 on it with you know, with the you know, with 2495 02:18:56.680 --> 02:19:01.840 the Monday Morning quarterback here but you know, if you 2496 02:19:03.879 --> 02:19:06.920 they if they were able to find another hook and 2497 02:19:07.079 --> 02:19:10.239 like kind of have side stories that kind of overtook 2498 02:19:11.600 --> 02:19:15.920 the Laura Palmer thing, that would have been better, you know, 2499 02:19:16.040 --> 02:19:18.000 so that the Laura Palmer thing didn't always have to 2500 02:19:18.040 --> 02:19:20.200 be in the forefront. It would just kind of sometimes 2501 02:19:20.280 --> 02:19:22.280 linger in the background. They would always be present, but 2502 02:19:22.399 --> 02:19:25.559 it might not be the focus of every episode. I 2503 02:19:25.600 --> 02:19:27.879 don't know. I just think that could have been better, 2504 02:19:27.959 --> 02:19:32.440 and they could have probably played it for three five seasons. 2505 02:19:32.479 --> 02:19:34.280 I think I've been in five seasons with it, and 2506 02:19:34.360 --> 02:19:37.879 then you reveal at the end and it's fantastic. Huh. Yeah, 2507 02:19:37.959 --> 02:19:39.200 that would have been That would have been the play. 2508 02:19:39.280 --> 02:19:42.559 And speaking of leaving something until the very very end, 2509 02:19:43.719 --> 02:19:46.319 we continue to be vindicated on the scene of heel turn. 2510 02:19:47.920 --> 02:19:51.200 I said up the second we surfaced it here on 2511 02:19:51.319 --> 02:19:53.319 the show that we're going to ruin it for you. 2512 02:19:53.520 --> 02:19:54.959 We're going to ruin it for you because when we 2513 02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:58.120 lay out how they should do it, yeah, everything else 2514 02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:01.360 is going to pale in comparison. And from what we're hearing, 2515 02:20:02.040 --> 02:20:05.440 it's not going so well. Yeah, as they went with 2516 02:20:05.479 --> 02:20:08.559 a different tack, but your co chairman, in anticipation of 2517 02:20:08.559 --> 02:20:11.159 WrestleMania this year, cooking up a thought as to how 2518 02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:14.079 we can put that one really under the microscope, because 2519 02:20:14.120 --> 02:20:16.719 while we really shy away from doing much in the 2520 02:20:16.799 --> 02:20:20.120 way of shows on contemporary wrestling, there are moments where 2521 02:20:20.680 --> 02:20:23.440 people turn to us and say, hey, you guys figured 2522 02:20:23.479 --> 02:20:25.799 out why everything in the past that we remember as 2523 02:20:26.639 --> 02:20:30.000 corollaries to what's happening now worked or didn't work. You 2524 02:20:30.079 --> 02:20:32.479 guys do the diagnosis. You guys do the you guys 2525 02:20:32.520 --> 02:20:35.200 put it under the tightest microscope. You guys do the autopsies. 2526 02:20:35.600 --> 02:20:37.479 What do you think? And people that listen to our 2527 02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:40.719 live call and Elimination Chamber were enthralled. I was going 2528 02:20:40.760 --> 02:20:44.040 through the feedback and preparation for this, so many memories 2529 02:20:44.079 --> 02:20:47.799 flooding back from that live call, and how how hyped 2530 02:20:47.840 --> 02:20:50.719 people were that they had done something so ballsy and 2531 02:20:50.799 --> 02:20:54.319 something so third rail. And now here we are and 2532 02:20:54.799 --> 02:20:56.399 it's a reminder of why it used to be better 2533 02:20:56.520 --> 02:20:58.760 in so many ways. But we're going to take a 2534 02:20:58.760 --> 02:21:01.920 closer look soon. Jeff did right to us, Sina should 2535 02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:06.000 show up with Megan markele Wait, what was that again? 2536 02:21:06.200 --> 02:21:09.719 Sena should show up with Megan Markel, he said, doing 2537 02:21:09.760 --> 02:21:13.159 a subtle, but patronizing, holier than now Hollywood lecturing gimmick. 2538 02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:15.840 That's the best way Markle has of drawing viewers these days. 2539 02:21:15.879 --> 02:21:17.920 Would also help her public persona by pretending that she's 2540 02:21:17.959 --> 02:21:21.079 actually got some self awareness. She would be a wonderful 2541 02:21:22.200 --> 02:21:25.959 pro wrestling valet. Yeah, I can see that. I can 2542 02:21:26.040 --> 02:21:30.680 see it right now. It's better than Travis Scott, who 2543 02:21:30.719 --> 02:21:33.360 we haven't heard a single thing from after being part 2544 02:21:33.399 --> 02:21:37.959 of that supposedly iconic tableau in Toronto. You know, like 2545 02:21:38.040 --> 02:21:39.920 he was going to be some inexplicable part of the thing. 2546 02:21:40.120 --> 02:21:42.639 He'll probably be at maniacause I think he's performing. They 2547 02:21:42.680 --> 02:21:45.399 announced that months and months before he participated in the 2548 02:21:45.520 --> 02:21:48.639 in the Angle. But my god, I haven't seen Dwayne 2549 02:21:48.760 --> 02:21:52.760 since come on Fox. I mean it's just a you know, 2550 02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:55.239 I'm going through this feedback and everyone's like, oh, and 2551 02:21:55.280 --> 02:21:57.520 then Dwayne can have got you know, corrupted him or 2552 02:21:57.639 --> 02:22:00.120 brainwashed him or they've been working at all long and 2553 02:22:00.159 --> 02:22:02.959 now everything Dwayne's been saying and doing makes sense. Haven't 2554 02:22:03.079 --> 02:22:05.399 heard a fucking peep, my god, since it went down, 2555 02:22:05.520 --> 02:22:11.399 not a peep. Unbelievable, And yeah, why, I don't know. 2556 02:22:11.520 --> 02:22:12.760 I don't think we'll ever get with him, and you 2557 02:22:12.840 --> 02:22:15.280 never get the answer, right because he comes up with 2558 02:22:15.399 --> 02:22:18.799 this like, you know, this shiny version of the story 2559 02:22:18.879 --> 02:22:21.399 that everyone parrots, you know, and I mean he's he 2560 02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:23.920 kind of you know, and he kind of reminds me 2561 02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:28.840 of of of Danny DeVito in and Get Shorty. You know, 2562 02:22:29.079 --> 02:22:31.000 he comes in and so it's like, you know, there, 2563 02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:33.559 there's they set up this. There's a scene in the 2564 02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:38.040 movie where they set up this uh this lunch at 2565 02:22:38.200 --> 02:22:41.399 or breakfast or whatever at the ivy in of course, 2566 02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:46.520 of course, right and so you know, but they're at 2567 02:22:46.600 --> 02:22:49.959 in there this meal and Danny DeVito comes in and 2568 02:22:50.079 --> 02:22:53.159 he's this big movie star actor and whatever, and he 2569 02:22:53.440 --> 02:22:58.079 kind of orders the food for everybody, even though they 2570 02:22:58.079 --> 02:23:01.360 don't want it. He orders a bunch of food for everybody, 2571 02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:04.200 even though and it's like like everyone's like, no, I don't, 2572 02:23:04.200 --> 02:23:06.280 I don't want that, but he orders it anyway, and 2573 02:23:06.360 --> 02:23:08.680 then he has like two bites and he leaves and 2574 02:23:08.719 --> 02:23:13.559 they're stuck with everything else they didn't want. That's the rock. 2575 02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:18.559 Love it. That's awesome. The rock is Martin Weir. For 2576 02:23:18.639 --> 02:23:22.399 those who know Get Shorty, Wow, Get Cool or I 2577 02:23:22.399 --> 02:23:25.319 guess it would be get shortens. Get be cool, be cool, No, 2578 02:23:25.440 --> 02:23:31.639 be cool as a sequel to get shortens. Ha Uh, 2579 02:23:32.200 --> 02:23:34.399 nobody's nobody. Want to thank you for the pledge. You're 2580 02:23:34.440 --> 02:23:37.040 somebody somebody to us pal brother, Thanks for the cake. 2581 02:23:37.200 --> 02:23:39.479 I really appreciate it. Jeff also writes plus one for 2582 02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:43.000 the use of the phrase greasy carneyes, with no disrespect 2583 02:23:43.040 --> 02:23:45.360 intended for proper old school carneies. There is a difference 2584 02:23:45.559 --> 02:23:48.239 circus carneyes. He writes, work together to work the marks. 2585 02:23:48.440 --> 02:23:51.680 Wrestling carnies work each other to avoid having to work 2586 02:23:51.760 --> 02:23:57.559 the marks. Yes, I like that quite a bit. We 2587 02:23:57.680 --> 02:23:59.799 want to. I want to thank Josh for sending us 2588 02:23:59.799 --> 02:24:04.440 pictures of Randy Savage as cabbage. I think that Randy Cabbage. 2589 02:24:08.079 --> 02:24:11.959 You got me. I can't believe that I didn't get that. 2590 02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:16.120 Did we did? We have a hole dissertation on that 2591 02:24:16.239 --> 02:24:18.600 at some point. I don't know. I don't. I don't 2592 02:24:18.600 --> 02:24:22.440 remember him as cabbage, you know, I saw. I will 2593 02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:25.280 say that is one solid use for AI image generation 2594 02:24:25.440 --> 02:24:27.440 is when someone says something that absurd and you can 2595 02:24:27.920 --> 02:24:34.639 produce a picture like I just sent to you. It's 2596 02:24:34.680 --> 02:24:37.559 the it's the it's the mouth. Yeah, he looks like 2597 02:24:37.639 --> 02:24:40.440 he's struggling. It's always what you don't expect. It's always 2598 02:24:40.479 --> 02:24:42.600 the it's always a feature you don't think. We'll tell 2599 02:24:42.680 --> 02:24:48.639 the story that m is the thrust of the Homeandy cabbage. Yeah, 2600 02:24:49.360 --> 02:24:53.200 that's about Eric turning here, eating it, getting it boiled, 2601 02:24:53.479 --> 02:24:56.319 working further that boiled. Didn't know what I mean? 2602 02:24:57.079 --> 02:25:05.600 Ohad cabbage in the the corn beef, working it up, 2603 02:25:05.680 --> 02:25:08.680 working it inside out. If you know what I'm talking about, 2604 02:25:09.639 --> 02:25:18.159 Randy cabbage, delicious. Steve, our friend in Ireland, says, listening 2605 02:25:18.200 --> 02:25:20.200 to Boss describe an Irish breakfast sandwich and have to 2606 02:25:20.239 --> 02:25:22.559 wonder do Americans think the Irish eat corn beef? 2607 02:25:22.959 --> 02:25:24.879 We do, Yes, we do. Think that's it. That's all 2608 02:25:24.920 --> 02:25:28.479 you eat. You mean you eat corn, beef, cabbage and potatoes. 2609 02:25:28.520 --> 02:25:30.600 That's all you eat. He says. If the co Chairs 2610 02:25:30.639 --> 02:25:32.840 ever travel to Dublin, they will have to be treated 2611 02:25:32.879 --> 02:25:35.639 to a real full Irish breakfast at the pub. Please, 2612 02:25:36.159 --> 02:25:39.159 I don't want. I hate corn beef and cabbage like 2613 02:25:39.280 --> 02:25:45.600 the fucking I can't stand it. I despise now. I 2614 02:25:45.760 --> 02:25:49.639 despise a boiled dinner. I despise it, despise it. I 2615 02:25:49.719 --> 02:25:53.079 remember I was I was in high school and the 2616 02:25:53.159 --> 02:25:56.319 girl I was dating, like I went over to her 2617 02:25:56.399 --> 02:25:59.840 parents' house for the first time and met them for 2618 02:25:59.879 --> 02:26:06.799 the first time, and they make her mom makes a 2619 02:26:06.840 --> 02:26:11.639 boiled dinner and I was like, what the fuck? And 2620 02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:17.959 it's just the most blandest, tasteless. It's like, what, why bother? 2621 02:26:19.360 --> 02:26:24.000 Why bother? It just ruins the flavor of everything. Can't 2622 02:26:24.000 --> 02:26:27.639 stand it, hate it, hate it so much? Water still present, 2623 02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:29.760 I know, right, And it's just like, you know, it's 2624 02:26:29.799 --> 02:26:33.639 like you've basically like cleaned out all of the fucking 2625 02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:37.000 you took it. You cleaned it right exactly. You cleaned 2626 02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:39.680 off the flavor is what you did? You know? Like, 2627 02:26:40.280 --> 02:26:41.879 I mean we had like it was. It was boiled 2628 02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:45.000 hamd boiled potatoes and fucking oh, it's just vile. Like 2629 02:26:46.600 --> 02:26:49.959 just shoot me, that's awesome. I quite like it. But 2630 02:26:50.799 --> 02:26:53.799 and Nesten, I'm listen. Hey, it's it's popular. You know 2631 02:26:53.879 --> 02:26:55.479 you should. You should go to my parents' house every 2632 02:26:55.520 --> 02:26:58.520 fucking yes, I want it so bad, go ahead, get it. 2633 02:26:58.600 --> 02:27:01.559 Yeh see he gets see. I like the actmath because 2634 02:27:01.559 --> 02:27:03.639 I make corn beef fash out of the Oh yeah, 2635 02:27:04.040 --> 02:27:06.920 you like that though, interesting. I love cornbi fash and 2636 02:27:07.000 --> 02:27:09.399 I like corn beef. I don't like the boiled fucking dinner. 2637 02:27:09.520 --> 02:27:13.399 I see, like it's that whole thing that just like corny, 2638 02:27:13.479 --> 02:27:15.920 the cabbage and potatoes and all that other shit. It's like, 2639 02:27:17.079 --> 02:27:21.760 I just have no It's like it sucks. Man, Steve says, 2640 02:27:21.840 --> 02:27:24.079 Get the jumbo breakfast, roll a full Irish and a 2641 02:27:24.120 --> 02:27:27.479 French breadbag. Add a Dublin specialty. Count me done, done, 2642 02:27:27.639 --> 02:27:30.200 Count me in. It's done. I'm there. You don't have 2643 02:27:30.360 --> 02:27:33.559 to fucking convince me. Stop arguing with me, exactly. I 2644 02:27:33.680 --> 02:27:36.840 know I'm one step ahead of you actually in terms 2645 02:27:36.879 --> 02:27:39.799 of things. But he writes on Eric Bischoff's He'll Turn, 2646 02:27:39.959 --> 02:27:42.000 I think the major difference between Heal Vince and Heal 2647 02:27:42.120 --> 02:27:44.520 Eric is that Heal Eric never went anywhere. He'll Vince 2648 02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:47.600 went from hating his world champion to becoming obsessed with 2649 02:27:47.760 --> 02:27:51.079 seeing him destroyed. That's true, Heal Eric, just like I'm 2650 02:27:51.120 --> 02:27:54.280 wearing jeans now, and that's the extent of my character. Well, 2651 02:27:54.360 --> 02:28:00.639 and I think too much like much like the whole 2652 02:28:00.719 --> 02:28:06.000 Cogan thing, there's a lot of real life circumstances that 2653 02:28:06.239 --> 02:28:12.559 makes Vince McMahon a better heel Because you're also talking 2654 02:28:12.600 --> 02:28:15.319 about you know what was one of the great things 2655 02:28:15.559 --> 02:28:22.000 about about the early days of the Austin mcmahonson right 2656 02:28:22.040 --> 02:28:26.079 after WrestleMania was the whole thing about him trying to 2657 02:28:26.120 --> 02:28:29.719 make Steve Austin to the corporate champion. Yeah, right, because 2658 02:28:30.200 --> 02:28:33.799 that I don't know about you, but for me, it 2659 02:28:33.959 --> 02:28:37.079 made me think of Kevin Nash. It made me think 2660 02:28:37.120 --> 02:28:41.079 of the whole Kevin Nash thing. They watered him down, 2661 02:28:41.239 --> 02:28:43.959 like like, you know, you look at him and and 2662 02:28:44.840 --> 02:28:48.520 Nash was great beforehand because he was a badass. Then 2663 02:28:49.360 --> 02:28:51.760 he becomes champion and becomes the top babyface, and he 2664 02:28:51.840 --> 02:28:56.000 becomes a piece of shit, and he becomes just a goof. 2665 02:28:56.280 --> 02:28:58.360 And those last months before he left the company, he 2666 02:28:58.639 --> 02:29:01.399 circles back around and gets in fastive about that, Like 2667 02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:05.959 that went through my mind when that was happening. I 2668 02:29:06.040 --> 02:29:09.799 remember being horrified and so nervous, yes about that, even 2669 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:12.840 though it's like it's so it's amazing how they were 2670 02:29:12.959 --> 02:29:16.959 able to get you. Yeah, you know, because I sat 2671 02:29:17.040 --> 02:29:19.200 there like horrified that they were actually going to do 2672 02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:23.159 this to Steve Austin. Right, there was no way in 2673 02:29:23.200 --> 02:29:24.760 hell they were gonna actually do that to Steve Austin. 2674 02:29:24.799 --> 02:29:26.479 The whole point was that he was a fucking badass. 2675 02:29:26.559 --> 02:29:30.159 Absolutely well, no, they went with it. They went all 2676 02:29:30.200 --> 02:29:32.360 the way because, unlike with Diesel, Vince was willing to 2677 02:29:32.399 --> 02:29:36.440 be the heel. It wasn't just Diesel voicing frustration, which 2678 02:29:36.440 --> 02:29:38.319 I'm sure somewhere Vince's head would make him the heel 2679 02:29:38.719 --> 02:29:42.120 to be so disenchanted with the circumstances that, you know, 2680 02:29:42.200 --> 02:29:44.600 to Vince, anyone who's ever complained about their working conditions 2681 02:29:44.719 --> 02:29:47.440 was a heel in his head. You know, so someone 2682 02:29:47.479 --> 02:29:50.120 complaining about their working conditions and wrestling is going to 2683 02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:52.719 be healed to the fans as well. It's no telling 2684 02:29:52.760 --> 02:29:54.360 where the Kevin Nash character would have gone had he 2685 02:29:54.440 --> 02:29:56.440 not jumped to WCW N ninety six. But that's where 2686 02:29:56.440 --> 02:29:58.959 it was headed a little for a little while there, 2687 02:29:59.440 --> 02:30:01.520 And you know, acknowledging Vince's the owner of the first 2688 02:30:01.559 --> 02:30:04.200 character to really acknowledge Vince's the owner was Kevin Nash. 2689 02:30:04.799 --> 02:30:06.399 You make a good point. Did Kevin Nash walk so 2690 02:30:06.440 --> 02:30:09.000 stone Cold could run? Yeah? I mean I would say 2691 02:30:09.040 --> 02:30:12.360 in many ways. In many ways, yeah, Bischoff just like 2692 02:30:12.440 --> 02:30:14.399 did his smile and hung with Hogan and then feuded 2693 02:30:14.440 --> 02:30:17.840 with Larry. But it's true, he didn't he didn't have 2694 02:30:17.879 --> 02:30:20.719 a goal in mind, and and so. But but you know, 2695 02:30:21.000 --> 02:30:23.959 but again there's also just the history because I think 2696 02:30:24.079 --> 02:30:27.159 people people were frustrated with Vin sick Mann as they 2697 02:30:27.159 --> 02:30:29.159 were with hul Kogan. Yeah, they weren't frustrated with Eric. 2698 02:30:29.200 --> 02:30:32.360 They didn't really have any There's no right. Eric wasn't 2699 02:30:32.520 --> 02:30:35.600 that guy. Eric wasn't presented as being as much of 2700 02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:39.479 a presence in the past. I mean, Vince snick manhn 2701 02:30:39.479 --> 02:30:43.760 did that fucking awful dance. You'll stand back, go right, 2702 02:30:44.000 --> 02:30:47.440 you know, like this is stuff that sticks in the 2703 02:30:47.520 --> 02:30:51.040 minds of fans because there's there's a long there's a 2704 02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:54.680 long time that the steroid trial. There's a long love 2705 02:30:54.760 --> 02:30:57.760 hate relationship with the fans in Vin sick Man that 2706 02:30:58.000 --> 02:31:01.760 is present, and that's what made him a more effective 2707 02:31:01.840 --> 02:31:04.639 heel because I think about two not only Kevin Nash. 2708 02:31:05.639 --> 02:31:08.159 He had fucking you know, obviously the Brett thing. He 2709 02:31:08.319 --> 02:31:10.079 had a fucking hockey fight with Brett in the summer 2710 02:31:10.159 --> 02:31:12.879 ninety seven. Remember that, that's right, pulled a fucking hockey 2711 02:31:12.959 --> 02:31:16.360 jersey over his head, right, Yeah, good point. Yeah, these 2712 02:31:16.399 --> 02:31:18.000 were all things Bischoff and never even came close to 2713 02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:19.920 doing before he turned the heel. He was just an announcer, 2714 02:31:20.639 --> 02:31:23.639 you know, Colin Nitro calling out Vince and being afraid 2715 02:31:23.639 --> 02:31:25.440 of the nWo like everybody else for a little while. 2716 02:31:25.479 --> 02:31:27.959 But he never he never did an angle before that. 2717 02:31:28.120 --> 02:31:31.399 He never, you know, other wrestlers didn't really call him 2718 02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:33.799 out before that. And right in the same way, even 2719 02:31:33.799 --> 02:31:36.639 the even the Brian Pillman and I respect you Bookerman 2720 02:31:36.760 --> 02:31:38.799 thing you know, that was that was corrected to Kevin 2721 02:31:38.799 --> 02:31:41.200 Sullivan is the boss of WCW. Even when they did 2722 02:31:41.280 --> 02:31:43.559 shoot style angles. There wasn't even Bischoff that they were 2723 02:31:43.959 --> 02:31:46.799 necessarily calling out in WCW. They were calling him out 2724 02:31:46.799 --> 02:31:49.239 on ECW TV, but that's neither here or there. Ludy 2725 02:31:49.280 --> 02:31:52.399 Seve Austin putting a jet black wig on and pretending 2726 02:31:52.399 --> 02:31:54.280 to be Eric Bischoff one time in he CW. That 2727 02:31:54.399 --> 02:31:57.159 was something the big Buluski want to thank you very 2728 02:31:57.239 --> 02:32:01.040 much for a big ball donation and pledge on Patreon. 2729 02:32:01.079 --> 02:32:03.399 We appreciate it. My friend Brett writes boy with a 2730 02:32:03.520 --> 02:32:06.319 in for an insomnia curing surprise with that Scena promo, 2731 02:32:06.920 --> 02:32:09.520 he literally did the complete opposite of everything they predicted. 2732 02:32:09.639 --> 02:32:13.319 Can't wait to get more into that. Mm william makes 2733 02:32:13.360 --> 02:32:15.159 a great point on World War three ninety six, where 2734 02:32:15.200 --> 02:32:17.799 Dusty Roads was on commentary, the word salad coming out 2735 02:32:17.840 --> 02:32:20.399 of Dusty is only matched by the potato salad going in. 2736 02:32:24.360 --> 02:32:26.920 Steve writes, Hello, co Chairs, while listening to World War 2737 02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:29.360 three ninety six episode in your opinions, When NBO started 2738 02:32:29.399 --> 02:32:31.040 to pick and become an albatross, I would like you 2739 02:32:31.079 --> 02:32:34.479 to consider their biggest problem was Hulk Hogan. When I 2740 02:32:34.600 --> 02:32:36.799 rewatched the nWo nitros on the network, I could not 2741 02:32:36.879 --> 02:32:38.680 get over how much of a hangover on Hogan. A 2742 02:32:38.760 --> 02:32:41.479 hangar on rather Hogan seems to be to the much 2743 02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:44.239 cooler Hall of Nash. Hogan, instead of coming off as 2744 02:32:44.280 --> 02:32:46.479 the leader of a takeover, comes across as a father 2745 02:32:46.600 --> 02:32:49.040 having a midlife crisis, resorting to buying the high school 2746 02:32:49.079 --> 02:32:51.440 senior's beer so he can go to their parties and 2747 02:32:51.520 --> 02:32:54.440 chat up eighteen year olds. Yeah but I don't mind that. Actually, Wow, 2748 02:32:54.600 --> 02:32:57.120 that works for me. That doesn't bother me, because that's 2749 02:32:57.159 --> 02:32:59.399 kind of what he was. Yeah, that's kind of what 2750 02:32:59.479 --> 02:33:02.639 he was, and it's it's true. And and the thing is, 2751 02:33:03.680 --> 02:33:07.000 the nWo is not supposed to be cool. Yeah, you 2752 02:33:07.079 --> 02:33:11.520 forget that it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be 2753 02:33:11.799 --> 02:33:14.600 an enemy. It's supposed to be something that hate that 2754 02:33:14.719 --> 02:33:17.000 you hate. If they just let Scott Hall go out 2755 02:33:17.040 --> 02:33:19.280 there and act like nothing, that he didn't care about 2756 02:33:19.280 --> 02:33:21.440 anything and be sarcastic forever, it would have died in 2757 02:33:21.520 --> 02:33:26.159 six months. Rights not that the idea is that you 2758 02:33:26.360 --> 02:33:29.479 hate hul Cogan and I'll never forget, like even rewatching 2759 02:33:29.479 --> 02:33:31.840 because you know, you get in your mind of the nWo. 2760 02:33:32.000 --> 02:33:35.879 Like everyone was cheering the nWo, and yes they were cool. 2761 02:33:36.040 --> 02:33:38.639 They were cheering the kind of cool as there were 2762 02:33:38.719 --> 02:33:42.799 cities that cho and listen, they're chanting, they're cheering for 2763 02:33:42.959 --> 02:33:45.360 Nash and they're cheering for Hall. But I'll tell you 2764 02:33:46.760 --> 02:33:52.399 what what whatever, especially in ninety six, Hogan would have 2765 02:33:52.639 --> 02:33:56.040 the main event interview situation whenever he was on Nitro. 2766 02:33:56.239 --> 02:33:59.520 That was kind of the thing. And he got boot 2767 02:33:59.559 --> 02:34:01.559 out of the There was no popularity there, there was 2768 02:34:01.600 --> 02:34:04.559 no people weren't cheering and they were booing the shit 2769 02:34:04.600 --> 02:34:06.639 out of it. And the reason the nWo angle worked 2770 02:34:06.719 --> 02:34:10.000 like it did wasn't just because Hall and Nash were cool. 2771 02:34:10.360 --> 02:34:13.799 It was because people wanted to see WCW come back. 2772 02:34:14.040 --> 02:34:17.040 And if all it was was Kevin National Scott All 2773 02:34:17.120 --> 02:34:19.200 acting like they're in a Tupac video. It wasn't gonna 2774 02:34:19.200 --> 02:34:22.559 work right again. See this is this is exactly it too. 2775 02:34:22.719 --> 02:34:26.799 Like I don't know if people realize, much like Twin Peaks, 2776 02:34:27.600 --> 02:34:31.360 you don't you you don't want what you think you 2777 02:34:31.479 --> 02:34:35.040 want right. You don't realize it at the time, but 2778 02:34:35.399 --> 02:34:40.120 you actually want w CW to win. You want them 2779 02:34:40.159 --> 02:34:43.760 to win. You don't, but you're you're kind of blinded 2780 02:34:43.840 --> 02:34:50.040 by the the the kind of shiny thing ingenuity of 2781 02:34:50.200 --> 02:34:52.879 this new thing, but never you know, it's like a 2782 02:34:53.000 --> 02:34:56.840 brand new, shiny thing you've never even thought you'd see. 2783 02:34:57.000 --> 02:34:58.479 The proof is in the pudding. When they turned the 2784 02:34:58.639 --> 02:35:01.440 entire show over to them, the ratings tanked, the pay 2785 02:35:01.440 --> 02:35:03.680 per view devoted to WO sucked, and no one bought 2786 02:35:03.719 --> 02:35:06.200 it relatively speaking to other shows. Yep, they kept it 2787 02:35:06.280 --> 02:35:08.600 going on for like four years. Yeah, It's just there 2788 02:35:08.680 --> 02:35:11.120 was never a proof point where they leaned into that 2789 02:35:11.200 --> 02:35:13.920 direction where people said, yes, finally this is the nWo 2790 02:35:13.959 --> 02:35:15.719 show and not WCW. That's what I've been waiting for. 2791 02:35:15.920 --> 02:35:18.280 No one wanted that, even if they told themselves they 2792 02:35:18.319 --> 02:35:20.319 wanted it. When they did it. No one cared and 2793 02:35:20.520 --> 02:35:22.479 it was actually a deterrent. It was a turn off. 2794 02:35:23.680 --> 02:35:27.559 That's a wonderful point. So Hogan, instead of coming off 2795 02:35:27.559 --> 02:35:29.319 as the leader he writes of takeover comes across to 2796 02:35:29.360 --> 02:35:31.440 the father mid life crisis. Yep. Most of the perception 2797 02:35:31.520 --> 02:35:33.360 the nWo is cool comes off from Hall in Nashville. 2798 02:35:33.360 --> 02:35:36.520 Hogan segment just come off as verbal masturbation. Well, no, 2799 02:35:36.639 --> 02:35:39.719 it's Sting. It's it's about him being the giant that 2800 02:35:39.799 --> 02:35:41.719 Sting is going to slagh. You know, do you think 2801 02:35:41.840 --> 02:35:44.559 Sting doing the whole thing he did brooding in the 2802 02:35:44.760 --> 02:35:47.680 balcony would have worked if he was coming after Kevin 2803 02:35:47.719 --> 02:35:50.319 Nash the whole time. No, that's not as big a 2804 02:35:50.440 --> 02:35:53.879 match at the end. Big. They'd also played out the 2805 02:35:53.959 --> 02:35:56.600 idea that he and Hogan were friends, right, you know, 2806 02:35:56.879 --> 02:36:02.040 I mean, I I you gotta to me. The idea 2807 02:36:02.120 --> 02:36:06.559 is you've always got to remember you know again, nWo 2808 02:36:06.680 --> 02:36:08.479 was supposed to be a heel faction, right, That's what 2809 02:36:08.639 --> 02:36:12.840 it was. We forget that. I forget it, you know, 2810 02:36:13.559 --> 02:36:16.840 I mean, you know I again I bring up that 2811 02:36:16.920 --> 02:36:20.159 Hogan the Hogan may have been interviews on Nitro as 2812 02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:22.559 like because I'd like why aren't they cheering hok Hogan 2813 02:36:22.600 --> 02:36:24.920 As I'm rewatching this, I'm like right, I thought they 2814 02:36:24.959 --> 02:36:27.159 fucking loved him after this, and like, no, they don't 2815 02:36:27.200 --> 02:36:28.719 love him. They still think of it as a heel 2816 02:36:29.159 --> 02:36:33.040 But Kevin Nash and Scott Hall brought something different. They 2817 02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:38.000 brought that kind of edgy anti hero popularity. Hogan was 2818 02:36:38.040 --> 02:36:41.319 a plain old chicken shit heel See writes this all 2819 02:36:41.360 --> 02:36:43.639 could have been avoided if the third man was Sting. 2820 02:36:44.159 --> 02:36:46.280 I don't know. Sting would have been the perfect enemy, 2821 02:36:46.319 --> 02:36:49.040 he writes, with it within to lead an nWo takeover. 2822 02:36:49.159 --> 02:36:51.440 Sting had stayed loyal at WCW, even when he was 2823 02:36:51.479 --> 02:36:53.639 downgraded from top star when Hogan came in, and once 2824 02:36:53.719 --> 02:36:55.920 more when Savage came along. He was not even at 2825 02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:58.200 friend of the top star level. For part of ninety six, 2826 02:36:58.239 --> 02:37:00.440 he was even feuding over the TV belt he had 2827 02:37:00.440 --> 02:37:02.840 graduated from in eighty nine. Sting was a victim of 2828 02:37:02.959 --> 02:37:06.760 ww politics, perhaps invited two former ww wrestlers, Holl and Nash, 2829 02:37:06.799 --> 02:37:08.600 who went to shut to start him in WWF after 2830 02:37:08.639 --> 02:37:11.600 finding nothing but barriers and ceilings in their way in WCW, 2831 02:37:11.799 --> 02:37:13.399 to come in with the knowledge of how to destroy 2832 02:37:13.440 --> 02:37:15.959 a system that had wrung them all, now having Hogan 2833 02:37:16.120 --> 02:37:18.159 be decimated to dash at the beach and take time 2834 02:37:18.239 --> 02:37:20.479 off to let the fans suffer from absence, making the 2835 02:37:20.520 --> 02:37:23.319 heart grow fonder before coming back as the Avenging Angel 2836 02:37:23.440 --> 02:37:26.559 leading an army against an nWo trio. I don't I 2837 02:37:26.600 --> 02:37:29.600 don't think so. Yeah, I don't think you're underestimating how 2838 02:37:29.680 --> 02:37:32.719 much of why Sting was so electric was because he 2839 02:37:33.040 --> 02:37:35.719 was mister w CW before he went prow And not 2840 02:37:35.840 --> 02:37:40.280 only that, what made Hogan, what made the heel turn 2841 02:37:40.520 --> 02:37:47.680 so money and so important and so right at the time, 2842 02:37:48.559 --> 02:37:52.079 was because the fans were booing Hulk Hogan's act already anyway. 2843 02:37:52.520 --> 02:37:56.879 That's what made it works. Imp clamoring crost the legacy. 2844 02:37:56.959 --> 02:37:58.840 No one ever clamored for Sting to become a heel, 2845 02:37:59.120 --> 02:38:02.840 like that's the thing Sting. Sting is for some reason. 2846 02:38:03.399 --> 02:38:05.959 You know, there are there are these people perennial baby 2847 02:38:06.000 --> 02:38:10.040 for some fucking reason can be perennial babyfaces. Nobody in 2848 02:38:10.159 --> 02:38:13.440 their right mind is ever gonna Boosting. I don't get 2849 02:38:13.479 --> 02:38:17.120 it sometimes I don't get joke or TNA. Sting was 2850 02:38:17.799 --> 02:38:21.639 cheered over Hogan, eve Ye and Ricky Steamboat the same 2851 02:38:21.680 --> 02:38:24.200 fucking thing. You could never make Ricky steamboat a fucking heel. 2852 02:38:25.399 --> 02:38:27.799 It's just no one wants to bow them. And so 2853 02:38:28.200 --> 02:38:31.200 that's the thing. If people had been tired of stings 2854 02:38:32.040 --> 02:38:35.399 surfer gimmick and they were like, I'm ready to fucking 2855 02:38:35.559 --> 02:38:37.600 but they loved him. They loved him. I mean, you know, 2856 02:38:37.680 --> 02:38:40.479 we worked hard and stuff and he was exciting, you know, 2857 02:38:40.600 --> 02:38:42.959 So you had that and just a ship promo. But 2858 02:38:44.079 --> 02:38:48.120 that's that's the difference. And I and listen, I'm not 2859 02:38:48.280 --> 02:38:52.280 saying that a sting leed nWo wouldn't be interesting. I 2860 02:38:52.559 --> 02:38:55.200 just it would not have made the money that Yeah, 2861 02:38:55.879 --> 02:38:58.799 no fucking way. Just it would be awkward for Hogan 2862 02:38:58.840 --> 02:39:01.120 to fly the flag because Sting was the one agreed. 2863 02:39:01.319 --> 02:39:03.719 Sting was the one embodying WCW when Hogan was the 2864 02:39:03.760 --> 02:39:07.280 top guys business across the pond in WWI. But yeah, 2865 02:39:07.280 --> 02:39:09.399 we appreciate it. Stuvee, that's some thought provoking stuff. No 2866 02:39:09.479 --> 02:39:12.040 pointless members, we can agree with that. No one ever, 2867 02:39:12.239 --> 02:39:15.239 oh defends adding pointless members of the nWo. Yeah, sure, 2868 02:39:15.239 --> 02:39:19.639 I agree. You don't need fucking Mike Rotundo and fucking nWo. 2869 02:39:20.040 --> 02:39:24.159 Oh that's ridiculous. Come and to appreciate Corey more and more. 2870 02:39:24.239 --> 02:39:26.799 He's our homie in Winnipeg who is a fan of 2871 02:39:26.879 --> 02:39:29.600 a deeper vintage than ours. And whenever we've got questions 2872 02:39:29.600 --> 02:39:32.040 about early to mid eighties, which can be a foggy 2873 02:39:32.120 --> 02:39:33.840 time period for US man as you fill it in, 2874 02:39:35.040 --> 02:39:37.040 it's not often, he says, but I have to disagree 2875 02:39:37.079 --> 02:39:38.680 with our co chairs. This is when we were talking 2876 02:39:38.719 --> 02:39:41.479 about how Piper's ninety six WCW run was like some 2877 02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:44.200 of his best stuff. Oh yeah, he says, eighty four 2878 02:39:44.239 --> 02:39:46.799 eighty six Pipers by far his best run. I love 2879 02:39:46.840 --> 02:39:49.000 the Heevers heel tag matches they ran in eighty five 2880 02:39:49.040 --> 02:39:51.120 eighty six as well. Shek and Volkoff also wrestle the 2881 02:39:51.159 --> 02:39:52.840 Heart Foundation and the Funks around that time. This is 2882 02:39:52.879 --> 02:39:55.239 of course a comment on our Colsseum home video thing 2883 02:39:55.719 --> 02:39:58.680 as well. The Killer Bees wrestled the US Express by 2884 02:39:58.760 --> 02:40:01.479 Vibertuendo American Express for as well. Beef Kick and Valentine 2885 02:40:01.680 --> 02:40:03.799 talk about the cheek Volkov match and shoot interviews and 2886 02:40:03.879 --> 02:40:07.920 how over they were. And so he's he's with a 2887 02:40:08.000 --> 02:40:11.120 eighty four eighty six Piper, which you know, God, I mean, 2888 02:40:11.200 --> 02:40:13.520 that's that's where his bones are made. That's his real question, 2889 02:40:13.760 --> 02:40:16.399 no question, I just to me, I don't. I mean, 2890 02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:20.520 I think we both agree on this. It's the nonsensical 2891 02:40:20.680 --> 02:40:22.840 promos that just kind of bother me, like they just 2892 02:40:23.040 --> 02:40:24.639 keep going on and on, which I know that's kind 2893 02:40:24.680 --> 02:40:28.920 of his thing. Coked out. Yeah, Like it's just like 2894 02:40:29.159 --> 02:40:32.760 it's it's it's a little much for me personally. Yeah, 2895 02:40:32.879 --> 02:40:34.719 it's not. It's always a home run. Back then, it's 2896 02:40:34.879 --> 02:40:37.040 it's one thing to watch the lou Albano smash the 2897 02:40:37.120 --> 02:40:41.239 record Angle and the fucking Jimmy Snooker Piper's Pit and 2898 02:40:41.239 --> 02:40:43.440 the Dave Wolf Cindy Lapper Piper's Pit. But there's a 2899 02:40:43.440 --> 02:40:44.760 lot of stuff in there that was kind of just 2900 02:40:44.879 --> 02:40:47.520 like meandering to your point, a lot of like local 2901 02:40:47.600 --> 02:40:49.559 market promos. You watch him do back then, you're just like, 2902 02:40:49.600 --> 02:40:51.000 what the fuck did he just say? Like he just 2903 02:40:51.360 --> 02:40:54.159 he just made all kinds of gestures and squeaky noises 2904 02:40:54.239 --> 02:40:57.319 and stuff. But I feel like that by the mid 2905 02:40:57.440 --> 02:41:00.239 nineties and the w Stubby Bear in particular, he he 2906 02:41:00.360 --> 02:41:02.559 went to that ring not only knowing what he wanted 2907 02:41:02.600 --> 02:41:04.159 to say, but how to say it in a way 2908 02:41:04.200 --> 02:41:07.280 that was like coogin but didn't lose that element of 2909 02:41:07.319 --> 02:41:10.280 Pip Piper imprectability, but you still gut the message across. 2910 02:41:10.319 --> 02:41:11.520 I don't know, I just felt like he was a more. 2911 02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:15.680 He was a more, He's a deeper character there. Corey 2912 02:41:15.719 --> 02:41:17.680 also writes, you guys talked about Hogan's debut of the 2913 02:41:17.719 --> 02:41:19.879 Real American theme song a few shows ago. Yes we did. 2914 02:41:20.079 --> 02:41:22.120 I'men discussing the wrestling album as part of the Slamy 2915 02:41:22.159 --> 02:41:25.360 Award show that December thirtieth match, which, as you recall, 2916 02:41:25.440 --> 02:41:27.840 Boss we ascertained that the first time Hulk Hogan came 2917 02:41:27.879 --> 02:41:30.559 to the ring to Real American was December thirty, nineteen 2918 02:41:30.600 --> 02:41:34.200 eighty five at Madison Square Garden against Macho Man Y 2919 02:41:34.799 --> 02:41:37.239 was vers Savage MSG. Hogan loses by count. Now, yes, 2920 02:41:37.319 --> 02:41:40.200 that's right, Hogan loses the first time he ever uses 2921 02:41:40.319 --> 02:41:44.239 Real American. That's something I always appreciate that. Yes, so 2922 02:41:44.319 --> 02:41:47.719 Bez is among the others to point out that Bischoff 2923 02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:50.200 explained that after Nash power bomb him, he had an 2924 02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:52.280 epiphany and decided to become part of the nWo rather 2925 02:41:52.319 --> 02:41:54.760 than getting destroyed by them. This was the same segment, 2926 02:41:54.799 --> 02:41:57.200 he writes where he gave all WCW wrestlers an Ultimadium 2927 02:41:57.760 --> 02:42:02.120 in November twenty fifth, nineteen nineties. Nitro yes, very much so. 2928 02:42:02.280 --> 02:42:04.440 He also says that he likes the scene of suggestions, 2929 02:42:04.520 --> 02:42:07.959 but considering the in cell fans nowadays beating up Nikki 2930 02:42:07.959 --> 02:42:14.360 Bella might turn see a face again, Aced acts with 2931 02:42:14.399 --> 02:42:17.280 a wonderful line, how many cows died the story of 2932 02:42:17.360 --> 02:42:22.840 Dusty Rhodes, Chris says other podcasts, this week we are 2933 02:42:22.920 --> 02:42:25.440 looking at WCW World War three. The first one. Here 2934 02:42:25.520 --> 02:42:28.680 is the exact order of eliminations, where the announcers made mistakes, 2935 02:42:28.840 --> 02:42:31.600 and how we would have booked the match the lapsed fan. 2936 02:42:32.159 --> 02:42:34.719 This week we are finally doing World War three. Here's 2937 02:42:34.760 --> 02:42:41.200 what's wrong with Queen of the Ring and this and 2938 02:42:41.319 --> 02:42:44.000 this is proof that Craig Leathers edits his own Wikipedia page. 2939 02:42:47.079 --> 02:42:49.040 I love you guys, he says, we love you too. Holler, 2940 02:42:49.200 --> 02:42:51.879 that's correct, that is correct. Listen and everything gets included. 2941 02:42:52.920 --> 02:42:54.959 Adam points out something interesting I hadn't noticed. He said. 2942 02:42:54.959 --> 02:42:56.760 One weird thing that Piper would do in promos going 2943 02:42:56.799 --> 02:42:59.040 back to years was lie about how many kids he had, 2944 02:42:59.120 --> 02:43:02.840 saying he had six. That's strange. Why would you do 2945 02:43:02.920 --> 02:43:05.440 that if having a fuck ton of kids was all 2946 02:43:05.479 --> 02:43:07.120 it took, he writes, to be a top guy. Rocky 2947 02:43:07.200 --> 02:43:09.040 Johnson would have been the big straw of the century. 2948 02:43:09.479 --> 02:43:14.399 That's funny. So that is funny. Corey comes back. Remember 2949 02:43:14.440 --> 02:43:16.680 when Gorilla had made reference on one of the Colisseum 2950 02:43:16.719 --> 02:43:21.040 Collection matches to Ken Peterra having retired him. Yeah, we 2951 02:43:21.159 --> 02:43:24.399 were like, what is that? Yes, didn't know about this angle. Ken, 2952 02:43:24.559 --> 02:43:27.159 he writes, had a title match against Backland Bob Eckland, 2953 02:43:27.159 --> 02:43:29.719 so this would have been his late seventies early eighties run. 2954 02:43:30.079 --> 02:43:32.559 About twenty minutes into the match, Petera grabs the mic 2955 02:43:32.639 --> 02:43:34.719 and stand off of the announced desk. He ends up 2956 02:43:34.760 --> 02:43:37.639 clubbing Gorilla. Backland gets the mic away from Ken and 2957 02:43:37.719 --> 02:43:40.360 blasts him, and then Gorilla gets into chop Petera. This 2958 02:43:40.520 --> 02:43:43.680 leads to a match between Petera and Gorilla. Ken wins 2959 02:43:43.760 --> 02:43:46.360 and Gorilla retires. He has a couple of matches after that, 2960 02:43:46.520 --> 02:43:48.680 but that was the end of his full time career. Wow. 2961 02:43:49.079 --> 02:43:52.440 The date August twenty third, nineteen eighty So do you 2962 02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:53.840 even know about that? We'll have to look that one up. 2963 02:43:53.920 --> 02:43:56.399 Thanks very much. As always, can count on Corey to 2964 02:43:56.440 --> 02:43:59.079 fill in the gaps from that time period in particular, 2965 02:44:00.399 --> 02:44:03.559 A tool Belt for Daddy writes on Patreon regarding why 2966 02:44:03.760 --> 02:44:05.959 Land of a Thousand Dances because we asked why of 2967 02:44:06.040 --> 02:44:08.840 all the songs? I think he's good theory. I think 2968 02:44:08.920 --> 02:44:11.120 Vince likes just the no no no no noah of it. 2969 02:44:11.879 --> 02:44:12.079 Yeah. 2970 02:44:12.440 --> 02:44:14.239 Bruce Pritchard has told a story about how much he 2971 02:44:14.360 --> 02:44:18.719 loves the old Nanna Kiss some goodbye song chant, and 2972 02:44:18.799 --> 02:44:22.319 this is pretty close. Tool Belt also adds, I love 2973 02:44:22.360 --> 02:44:24.559 this version of Vince that did comedy. It's clearly having 2974 02:44:24.680 --> 02:44:28.920 fun creating this stuff. It is infectious, like when he's 2975 02:44:29.000 --> 02:44:32.360 doing TNT and this, you know, some of these more 2976 02:44:32.479 --> 02:44:35.440 foolish and outlandish things. His sense of humor is kind 2977 02:44:35.479 --> 02:44:38.440 of it's really stupid, but it's kind of fun to 2978 02:44:38.520 --> 02:44:41.760 watch him like try not to laugh, you know, and 2979 02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:43.879 try to keep that straight man look about him while 2980 02:44:43.920 --> 02:44:47.040 holding the mic, and the insanity is enveloping all around him. 2981 02:44:48.000 --> 02:44:51.600 But it's just I don't know, it's a lot. He 2982 02:44:51.719 --> 02:44:54.799 does a lot of it. It's not one segment a 2983 02:44:54.920 --> 02:44:57.639 month or whatever. It's fucking entire show is like all 2984 02:44:57.719 --> 02:45:01.680 this high jinks and a little wrestling. It's really really 2985 02:45:01.760 --> 02:45:04.639 it really smacks someone who's trying to be someone who's 2986 02:45:04.719 --> 02:45:08.159 not you know, yes, or trying to appeal to an 2987 02:45:08.159 --> 02:45:11.319 audience he doesn't have. Zachary Cole, thank you very much 2988 02:45:11.360 --> 02:45:14.120 for your increase in pledge. We really appreciate it. We 2989 02:45:14.239 --> 02:45:18.280 got some sound from the from the field boss. We 2990 02:45:18.399 --> 02:45:20.799 know that the lapsed wife is a thing. Tell him 2991 02:45:20.799 --> 02:45:24.799 about the shirt. Oh fuck yeah, I mean listen, that's 2992 02:45:24.920 --> 02:45:27.959 the one. If you are are married, and you've got 2993 02:45:29.680 --> 02:45:33.280 and you've got a wife who questions why you listen 2994 02:45:33.360 --> 02:45:36.520 to this shit, you get them a lapsed wife shirt 2995 02:45:37.840 --> 02:45:40.920 because it says right underneath, why are you laughing? This 2996 02:45:41.079 --> 02:45:49.879 isn't funny. That is the catchphrase and the the slogan 2997 02:45:50.159 --> 02:45:52.520 of the lapsed wife. All right, they don't know why 2998 02:45:52.600 --> 02:45:55.959 you listen to us. They certainly don't understand why you're 2999 02:45:56.040 --> 02:46:00.319 laughing at us because we're not funny. I understand. Listen, 3000 02:46:02.879 --> 02:46:06.280 you know my wife doesn't think I'm nearly as funny 3001 02:46:06.319 --> 02:46:10.879 as I am. Right, no wife does, exactly, and it 3002 02:46:11.000 --> 02:46:15.319 cludes Marshall's wife because uh she. He sent some rather 3003 02:46:15.360 --> 02:46:18.559 amusing audio of I think what probably stands as a 3004 02:46:18.639 --> 02:46:22.479 very typical spousal interaction around the pod. Here he is 3005 02:46:29.239 --> 02:46:30.200 my lovely girlfriend. 3006 02:46:30.280 --> 02:46:31.799 I asked her, I told her about wrestling. 3007 02:46:32.120 --> 02:46:35.680 I thought about the John c n He'll turn and. 3008 02:46:35.760 --> 02:46:41.719 What did you say about wrestling? Georgina, So movies on 3009 02:46:41.879 --> 02:46:42.559 TV shows? 3010 02:46:43.120 --> 02:46:44.040 Why is this worse? 3011 02:46:45.040 --> 02:46:46.000 It's just more fake? 3012 02:46:47.239 --> 02:46:53.200 Yes, I rest my case. Yes it's more fake. That's 3013 02:46:53.239 --> 02:46:57.440 a good share. Actually, all right, that's a good it's 3014 02:46:57.520 --> 02:47:02.360 more why why is it'd be like you ask the 3015 02:47:02.479 --> 02:47:10.159 question why is wrestling? Yeah? Why do you why do 3016 02:47:10.239 --> 02:47:15.319 you dislike wrestling more than TV and movies? Right, it's 3017 02:47:15.440 --> 02:47:21.120 more fake, yes, Bingo, speaking of much Lucky Lagucci doubled 3018 02:47:21.159 --> 02:47:24.840 that pledge. We appreciate it. Random, thank you so much 3019 02:47:24.879 --> 02:47:27.719 for that cake. It's awesome. We appreciate it. Richard writes 3020 02:47:27.799 --> 02:47:30.200 greetings to JP while putting on some background noise while 3021 02:47:30.239 --> 02:47:31.959 working on a model. I had to stop as the 3022 02:47:32.040 --> 02:47:35.200 video was talking about Godzilla or Space Godzilla from nineteen 3023 02:47:35.239 --> 02:47:37.879 ninety four, due to the revelation that the sued actor 3024 02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:42.239 for Little Godzilla was a pro wrestler. Oh boy. I 3025 02:47:42.319 --> 02:47:44.479 also found out that this is not the first timely Yeah, 3026 02:47:44.840 --> 02:47:46.639 a pro wrestler was a sued actor, as the show 3027 02:47:46.680 --> 02:47:50.280 Era Films used one for Godzilla First Child Manila, we 3028 02:47:50.360 --> 02:47:52.440 get do we get a name? While most of the 3029 02:47:52.520 --> 02:47:55.520 movies with Godzilla's offspring are bad, Godzilla movies are some 3030 02:47:55.639 --> 02:47:57.680 of my earliest childhood memories. I would love to hear 3031 02:47:57.719 --> 02:47:59.239 you give the cinemat treatment to any of the movies. 3032 02:48:00.200 --> 02:48:03.479 Yes please. I also would ask Godzilla to a flying 3033 02:48:03.520 --> 02:48:05.879 drop kick is seen in Gonzillaver's Megaton count. I mean 3034 02:48:06.120 --> 02:48:09.239 there's one, and let me see here he's got. There's 3035 02:48:09.399 --> 02:48:13.040 one that I would fucking like. It's my all time 3036 02:48:13.159 --> 02:48:17.920 favorite Godzilla movie and it's King Kong versus Godza. Is 3037 02:48:17.959 --> 02:48:23.639 it really from nineteen sixty three? So fucking great? Thatches 3038 02:48:23.680 --> 02:48:27.760 two pictures, one of Masau little man Machan Fukuzawa, who 3039 02:48:27.840 --> 02:48:31.799 is the suit actor in Manila, and one of Masanobu 3040 02:48:31.920 --> 02:48:35.200 little Frankie Okamoto, who is a suit actor in Little Godzilla. 3041 02:48:36.360 --> 02:48:40.200 So that's wow. Two potential cinemat connections to get Godzilla going. 3042 02:48:40.239 --> 02:48:42.879 Maybe a Godzilla journey coming. Oh my god, you imagine 3043 02:48:42.959 --> 02:48:45.600 back to Tokyo we go? Right? What's that? What's the 3044 02:48:45.680 --> 02:48:47.920 name again? Oh geez, I lost it with your names. 3045 02:48:48.360 --> 02:48:51.000 We'll pull it up some other time. Correy also writes 3046 02:48:51.000 --> 02:48:53.319 Albano managed Andre and eighty five, who were like, what's 3047 02:48:53.399 --> 02:48:55.760 the tie between Andre and Albano that they're talking about? 3048 02:48:55.840 --> 02:48:58.559 That one's there was the big MSG match who writes 3049 02:48:58.639 --> 02:49:01.079 versus Bundy is with Lou in the corner. Andre has 3050 02:49:01.239 --> 02:49:03.600 back to back Saturday Night's main event tag matches Verus 3051 02:49:03.600 --> 02:49:05.719 stud and Bundy with Albano in his corner. I remember 3052 02:49:05.760 --> 02:49:07.559 those matches, but I did not remember that little Banno 3053 02:49:07.639 --> 02:49:10.360 was in Andre's corner for them. Plus Albano managed the 3054 02:49:10.440 --> 02:49:13.040 machines right which had Andre in it. That's a good point. 3055 02:49:13.680 --> 02:49:16.239 Joe from Chicago and hey, JP and Jack currently listening 3056 02:49:16.319 --> 02:49:18.559 to the Exorcist episode of Under the Cinemat that's wrong, 3057 02:49:18.639 --> 02:49:22.280 while Ago that's that's yeah, that's some Halloween shit. Right 3058 02:49:22.319 --> 02:49:25.600 there after we say it's incredible, and he's right about you. Yes, 3059 02:49:25.600 --> 02:49:27.399 I think I've texted my mom and several uncles about 3060 02:49:27.399 --> 02:49:29.319 their experiencing it in theaters, just because of the little 3061 02:49:29.319 --> 02:49:31.319 bits and pieces they've told me over the years. Also 3062 02:49:31.399 --> 02:49:33.879 the fact that Friedkin more or less got his confidence 3063 02:49:33.920 --> 02:49:38.520 from watching Chicago wrestling made me smile. It's right, yeah, Yes, 3064 02:49:38.600 --> 02:49:41.040 I live in the hollowed Holls, the grounds of Schomberg 3065 02:49:41.440 --> 02:49:44.280 Jesus Christ. Jimmy Barnett might be the real Forest Gump, 3066 02:49:44.280 --> 02:49:46.159 as he was probably working for Kohler at the time. 3067 02:49:46.239 --> 02:49:48.319 That's true, he was thanks for all the shout outs 3068 02:49:48.399 --> 02:49:50.760 for my suburban home one. Would you ever consider putting 3069 02:49:50.760 --> 02:49:52.280 the episode on the main feed so I can share it, 3070 02:49:52.319 --> 02:49:56.920 I can make a donation. What do you think that's 3071 02:49:56.959 --> 02:49:59.120 a no act? Maybe I don't know. Maybe some point, 3072 02:49:59.159 --> 02:50:03.639 probably at some point i'd do what you see say, yeah, yeah, yeah, 3073 02:50:03.639 --> 02:50:06.639 maybe in the fall, because it definitely, I mean especially 3074 02:50:06.680 --> 02:50:09.360 because for the connections alone, the connections alone are just 3075 02:50:09.399 --> 02:50:11.920 so fucking yeah, those are deep, especially the last one. 3076 02:50:12.040 --> 02:50:15.319 The last one is just the fucking greatest thing too. Also, 3077 02:50:15.360 --> 02:50:17.120 I've been kicking around the idea of getting the Captain 3078 02:50:17.159 --> 02:50:20.280 Howdy tattoo, but I feel that maybe invite unnecessary bad juju, 3079 02:50:20.319 --> 02:50:21.719 if you will. In in my life, I don't have 3080 02:50:21.760 --> 02:50:23.319 that strong of a religious conviction at all. But I 3081 02:50:23.360 --> 02:50:26.040 don't know. Something makes me think twice, yeah, I know 3082 02:50:26.079 --> 02:50:28.000 where that I can tell whe that comes from? For real, though, 3083 02:50:28.040 --> 02:50:29.559 you guys have helped me through the last year and 3084 02:50:29.600 --> 02:50:31.360 a half of ups and downs. Luckily I have it 3085 02:50:31.399 --> 02:50:33.280 all together with great kids in a pretty cool life. 3086 02:50:33.360 --> 02:50:35.600 But just I think you guys know how much you 3087 02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:37.440 mean to people. But I just want to say it again. 3088 02:50:37.639 --> 02:50:39.559 My four year old wanted to watch the match with 3089 02:50:39.639 --> 02:50:42.680 all the girl pro wrestlers aka Woman's Rumble. I also 3090 02:50:42.760 --> 02:50:45.760 apologize for being a bitch and dropping tears on Patreon. 3091 02:50:45.879 --> 02:50:49.479 Never apologize for this, folks. I mean, the bitch thing 3092 02:50:49.680 --> 02:50:52.239 is for people. When we say that, we're talking about 3093 02:50:52.360 --> 02:50:55.399 people who judge, people who pay for the show. We're 3094 02:50:55.440 --> 02:50:58.319 not talking about people can't afford to pay for the show. 3095 02:50:58.399 --> 02:51:02.680 It's not long, right, right, right, right right. But I 3096 02:51:02.719 --> 02:51:04.879 have done a lot of program I've done a lot 3097 02:51:04.920 --> 02:51:06.479 of growing up in the last year, and I'm trying 3098 02:51:06.520 --> 02:51:09.040 to get my shit together, he writes, and rectifying some 3099 02:51:09.159 --> 02:51:11.360 of my past financial mistakes. However, I believe it is 3100 02:51:11.360 --> 02:51:13.639 my duty is a good goddamn American to pay for art, 3101 02:51:13.959 --> 02:51:16.319 and you gentlemen make art. That's correct, Joe, thank you 3102 02:51:16.399 --> 02:51:18.399 for everything, and praise be to the Warlord. Will praise 3103 02:51:18.440 --> 02:51:19.959 be to you son. It's great to have you in 3104 02:51:20.000 --> 02:51:22.559 our corner. Carlo writes to us. I got the Wrestling 3105 02:51:22.600 --> 02:51:24.440 album in nineteen eighty six. I played it on my 3106 02:51:24.520 --> 02:51:27.159 family room record player. My ever loving parents did not 3107 02:51:27.319 --> 02:51:32.079 care for it. My mom said grab them cakes was inappropriate. Yeah, 3108 02:51:34.440 --> 02:51:36.520 Jeff says, Martha Quinn is a certain kind of hot 3109 02:51:36.559 --> 02:51:39.920 that only existed in the nineteen eighties. Is that true? Yeah, 3110 02:51:40.120 --> 02:51:41.840 the way they were writing about her, she was like 3111 02:51:43.079 --> 02:51:46.639 like girlfriend material. And I'm not saying she's not a 3112 02:51:46.719 --> 02:51:49.559 pretty woman, but yeah, it's definitely it's very eighties. He 3113 02:51:49.600 --> 02:51:52.040 appeal is very eighties. Sure, I don't know what it was. 3114 02:51:52.079 --> 02:51:54.719 It was almost like you wanted like the kind of 3115 02:51:54.799 --> 02:51:58.319 like the shy, bashful quality about you two at that time. 3116 02:51:58.440 --> 02:52:01.559 It was it is very eighties, you know, like the 3117 02:52:01.639 --> 02:52:03.879 girl who ends up at the party but didn't really 3118 02:52:03.959 --> 02:52:06.920 want to go, but everybody's still somehowever, that all the 3119 02:52:06.959 --> 02:52:08.680 attention is on her even though she doesn't want to 3120 02:52:08.680 --> 02:52:10.799 be there. But she's not acting hip about it, she's 3121 02:52:10.840 --> 02:52:14.760 acting bashful about it. You know. Work rate Midget rights 3122 02:52:14.799 --> 02:52:16.719 to us. I've received the wrestling album for Christmas. I 3123 02:52:16.719 --> 02:52:19.840 also recall getting the WWF calendar in the figures. He says, 3124 02:52:19.879 --> 02:52:24.079 the Super Bowl shuffle is still played at Chicago Land weddings. Wow, 3125 02:52:24.719 --> 02:52:26.920 it's got to be something. Dan. Thank you very much 3126 02:52:26.959 --> 02:52:28.920 for your pledge, my friend, we appreciate it. Welcome in, 3127 02:52:29.319 --> 02:52:31.879 David writes, Vince McMahon is uncautionably one of the most 3128 02:52:31.959 --> 02:52:36.120 painfully unfunny people in history. Yeah, I can't disagree. Wow, 3129 02:52:36.200 --> 02:52:38.840 he's awful. He's a fucking drizzling shit. Can you imagine 3130 02:52:38.840 --> 02:52:40.959 getting paid to laugh at his jokes for thirty years? 3131 02:52:41.120 --> 02:52:44.399 But that does to a person. Oh, there's nothing left, 3132 02:52:44.680 --> 02:52:48.440 just a husk of a man. David has a great question. 3133 02:52:48.440 --> 02:52:49.959 I don't know if you can feel this one, boss, 3134 02:52:49.959 --> 02:52:53.399 I'd appreciate your thoughts. Is it safe to say that 3135 02:52:53.520 --> 02:52:58.360 the WWE is a dota driven enterprise? Oh? Absolutely? Why 3136 02:52:58.399 --> 02:53:00.879 why are we so quick to answer? Well, I mean 3137 02:53:01.239 --> 02:53:05.559 I'm a data for all my father, so how could 3138 02:53:05.559 --> 02:53:08.280 he not be a data driven enterprise? 3139 02:53:09.280 --> 02:53:09.319 No? 3140 02:53:09.440 --> 02:53:13.399 But it definitely. Listen, I mean, look, we're gonna, we're gonna, 3141 02:53:14.639 --> 02:53:21.479 you know, we'll put up the U. I mean, think 3142 02:53:21.520 --> 02:53:33.040 about this dada Ism, okay, is and the establishment it 3143 02:53:33.239 --> 02:53:36.680 is you know it right there from the get go. 3144 02:53:36.879 --> 02:53:42.719 It defines it defines wrestling, all right, you know you. 3145 02:53:46.159 --> 02:53:46.200 It? 3146 02:53:48.680 --> 02:53:54.319 I mean here the Wikipedia right here Wikipedia entry says 3147 02:53:54.360 --> 02:53:57.920 this within the umbrella of the movement, the Dada movement. 3148 02:53:58.600 --> 02:54:01.760 People used a wide variety of artistic forms to protest 3149 02:54:02.120 --> 02:54:08.159 the logic. Reason it does protest logic, aestheticism of modern 3150 02:54:08.280 --> 02:54:14.920 capitalism and modern war god wrestling right there. Yeah, well 3151 02:54:15.120 --> 02:54:20.840 I mean both embrace randomness. Yeah, both reject narrative logic. Yes, 3152 02:54:21.239 --> 02:54:26.079 both see art is live expression. Yep. Both critique society, 3153 02:54:26.200 --> 02:54:28.959 and both are in many ways anti art. It's right. 3154 02:54:30.479 --> 02:54:33.840 So while ww might not intentionally be data, it does 3155 02:54:33.920 --> 02:54:38.760 share Dada's spirit. It does. It is datast in nature. 3156 02:54:39.079 --> 02:54:41.520 It blurs the boundary stream real and fake. That's right. 3157 02:54:42.120 --> 02:54:44.360 Thank you Mark Hutchinson for that pledge. We appreciate it. 3158 02:54:44.440 --> 02:54:48.120 My friend. Welcome into the Patreon universe, Eric Wright. Cindy 3159 02:54:48.159 --> 02:54:51.000 Lauper only tolerating wrestling because of her boyfriend, like every 3160 02:54:51.079 --> 02:54:55.360 single woman in the history of exports, so totally totally 3161 02:54:55.559 --> 02:54:58.159 don't talking about that. How she kind of all right 3162 02:54:58.319 --> 02:55:01.799 if you want, if you say so, Dave Jack Gillespie, 3163 02:55:01.840 --> 02:55:04.559 thank you very much for that ep level tier appreciated deeply. 3164 02:55:04.920 --> 02:55:06.719 Ellis writes, I'm sure it's been discussed, but my old 3165 02:55:06.719 --> 02:55:08.920 brain doesn't work. The whole Cogan theme was later reworked, 3166 02:55:08.959 --> 02:55:11.840 that's right, into ravishing by Bonnie Tyler. Yes, if you 3167 02:55:11.920 --> 02:55:14.840 listen to the roots of Dada lie in pre war 3168 02:55:15.000 --> 02:55:21.120 avant guard All right, confirmed. Isn't that the text at 3169 02:55:21.159 --> 02:55:26.360 the beginning of the Colosseum videos. H it began five 3170 02:55:26.559 --> 02:55:31.680 billion years ago? Say the roots of da again? What 3171 02:55:31.760 --> 02:55:32.280 did you just say? 3172 02:55:33.200 --> 02:55:37.200 It began over five billion years ago. Yes, the roots 3173 02:55:37.239 --> 02:55:48.319 of Dada lay in pre war avant garde Cubism, and 3174 02:55:48.399 --> 02:55:52.120 the development of Clark and abstract art would inform the 3175 02:55:52.239 --> 02:55:56.760 movement's detachment from the constraints of reality and convention. 3176 02:55:57.239 --> 02:56:00.719 That's wrestling right there. It is removed from the concerts 3177 02:56:00.719 --> 02:56:03.200 of wrestling. Isn't that right, Kim Wood? That's right, that's right. 3178 02:56:05.600 --> 02:56:15.079 You know what time it is reality challenged. I feel 3179 02:56:15.200 --> 02:56:18.440 sorry for the fuckers that are in pro wrestling fixed sports. 3180 02:56:21.239 --> 02:56:21.840 He said it. 3181 02:56:22.520 --> 02:56:25.520 He said it two words. He said the two words 3182 02:56:25.600 --> 02:56:28.399 back to back, just as we would like God. That's it, 3183 02:56:28.799 --> 02:56:37.040 William Does meatloads get that? Does meat loaf drumming on 3184 02:56:37.200 --> 02:56:39.799 stage at the Slammies make rocky horror? U t c 3185 02:56:39.959 --> 02:56:45.959 ELEGI I I don't, I don't, I don't know. I 3186 02:56:46.000 --> 02:56:48.319 don't want to say yes. I'll tell you what I'll 3187 02:56:48.319 --> 02:56:53.159 tell you what Here's the thing? Was meat Loaf the 3188 02:56:53.239 --> 02:56:57.920 drummer for the album? Yeah, not the whole thing, but 3189 02:56:58.000 --> 02:57:03.200 that track. I think meat Loaf qualifies. Wow, you're saying 3190 02:57:03.600 --> 02:57:07.159 Rocky Horror may becoming scary movie season. I mean there's 3191 02:57:07.159 --> 02:57:10.760 a lot of story there with us, I mean out there, total, 3192 02:57:10.959 --> 02:57:17.719 my god, absolutely, meat Loaf not the food. Let's see here. 3193 02:57:17.879 --> 02:57:21.879 What does that include here? Is usually catch up onions. 3194 02:57:22.959 --> 02:57:27.200 I mean that means, wow, holy shit, it brings in 3195 02:57:27.440 --> 02:57:32.159 quite an interesting slate here. Yes, obviously, Rocky Horror Picture 3196 02:57:32.239 --> 02:57:42.520 Show brings in Wayne's World, Spice World, that's hilarious. Fight Club, Well, 3197 02:57:42.520 --> 02:57:45.000 everything prings in fight Club if you put your mind 3198 02:57:45.040 --> 02:57:52.440 to it. Well, it's data. So that's right there. Okay, 3199 02:57:52.959 --> 02:57:56.719 well look all right, horror qualifies and ww is a 3200 02:57:56.799 --> 02:57:59.680 DoD DoD driven enterprise. I think we've more than done 3201 02:57:59.719 --> 02:58:09.319 to day work here. Pap writes, truly the end of 3202 02:58:09.360 --> 02:58:11.840 an era with the logo of WWE being gone from 3203 02:58:11.879 --> 02:58:13.840 the old Titan towers. Isn't that the truth? 3204 02:58:13.920 --> 02:58:14.079 Man? 3205 02:58:14.280 --> 02:58:16.600 Oh? Yeah, so pathetic. I grew up in RhE Island, 3206 02:58:16.639 --> 02:58:19.479 had family in Pennsylvania, and seeing the giant WWAF logo 3207 02:58:19.559 --> 02:58:21.920 for my ninety five was always the best part of 3208 02:58:22.040 --> 02:58:24.639 going to see family on the holidays. I vividly remember 3209 02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:26.959 yelling and excitement when I saw they finally changed the 3210 02:58:27.040 --> 02:58:29.479 logo to the Scratch logo because my yelling scared the 3211 02:58:29.559 --> 02:58:31.520 shit out of my dad while he was driving, and 3212 02:58:31.600 --> 02:58:33.639 he threatened to beat my ass whenever we stopped at 3213 02:58:33.639 --> 02:58:37.360 a rest stop. Yes, what a memory, and what a 3214 02:58:37.440 --> 02:58:41.239 memory when I saw that man that hallowed out just 3215 02:58:41.360 --> 02:58:44.200 the faint etching of what it used to be on 3216 02:58:44.319 --> 02:58:46.680 that building. And now it looks so pathetic over there 3217 02:58:46.760 --> 02:58:48.399 now because just the middle of a neighborhood, you know, 3218 02:58:49.600 --> 02:58:51.799 used to be so enlivened by the presence of ww 3219 02:58:52.319 --> 02:58:54.920 what a curiosity, what a local curiosity, And now it's 3220 02:58:55.040 --> 02:58:59.840 just another glistening tower amidst other glistening towers trying to 3221 02:58:59.840 --> 02:59:03.680 be Instagram friendly. Yes, Joe writes, hearing the Boss say 3222 02:59:03.719 --> 02:59:06.399 that Brian Christopher and Jerry Lawler used to sit on 3223 02:59:06.440 --> 02:59:08.840 Sunday nights eating hot dogs in French fries while watching 3224 02:59:08.879 --> 02:59:12.040 America's Funniest Home Videos a year before Brian died. Really 3225 02:59:12.079 --> 02:59:15.200 gotten ooh ooh, that's some genuine sadness to think about. 3226 02:59:15.280 --> 02:59:17.319 I agree, I didn't remember that. When I read it back, 3227 02:59:17.360 --> 02:59:19.319 I was like, my God, did he say that? I 3228 02:59:20.840 --> 02:59:24.319 did no fucking clue. Luke says, any Vinyl collectors come 3229 02:59:24.399 --> 02:59:26.680 across the wrestling album out in the wild, I always 3230 02:59:26.760 --> 02:59:29.200 keep an eye out. Definitely not brave enough to ask 3231 02:59:29.280 --> 02:59:31.760 the guy in there though, And then of course Solar 3232 02:59:31.799 --> 02:59:34.639 System members step up and say, yeah, you can find 3233 02:59:34.680 --> 02:59:36.479 it pretty easily here there in the other or I 3234 02:59:36.559 --> 02:59:39.559 found her here pretty great. I don't want to ask 3235 02:59:39.639 --> 02:59:44.079 that question though, No, totally. William says, these eighty five 3236 02:59:44.120 --> 02:59:45.840 eighty six shows really hit me hard. I was eight 3237 02:59:45.920 --> 02:59:49.040 years nine years old, then grew up forty miles from Peoria, Illinois, 3238 02:59:49.079 --> 02:59:51.200 and afterthought as an adult, but a world away for 3239 02:59:51.200 --> 02:59:53.520 a kid. Everyone owned the Super Bowl Shuffle. Yes see, 3240 02:59:53.559 --> 02:59:56.280 he comes back to this. WW toured through Peoria frequently 3241 02:59:56.399 --> 02:59:58.719 enough that kid me thought that they were there every week, 3242 02:59:59.000 --> 03:00:01.000 and my parents just used to let me go meet 3243 03:00:01.040 --> 03:00:04.760 old Cogan because they were mean. That is pretty funny 3244 03:00:05.000 --> 03:00:08.719 to think that they're constantly running. We talked about Doctor 3245 03:00:08.760 --> 03:00:12.440 Demento when we talked about the Wrestling album. Yes, Doctor 3246 03:00:12.479 --> 03:00:14.959 Demento sort of innovated the idea of the novelty record 3247 03:00:15.079 --> 03:00:17.520 something that was to be taken half seriously like a 3248 03:00:17.559 --> 03:00:21.520 weird al and Doctor Demento had a radio show full 3249 03:00:21.680 --> 03:00:24.879 of songs and acts and curiosities like that. William says, 3250 03:00:24.920 --> 03:00:27.280 I loved Doctor Demento. I had a record of some 3251 03:00:27.399 --> 03:00:29.600 of his best bits and songs or sketches that appeared 3252 03:00:29.639 --> 03:00:31.600 on his show. Twelve year old and me thought fish 3253 03:00:31.639 --> 03:00:33.840 Heads was the peak of comedy. I guess that was 3254 03:00:33.879 --> 03:00:36.440 a bit or song. The local PBS ran a block 3255 03:00:36.479 --> 03:00:39.680 of seventies doctor Who on Saturday night. Coincidentally, when an 3256 03:00:39.680 --> 03:00:42.040 AM station ran Demento and my friends and I would 3257 03:00:42.040 --> 03:00:45.120 get together play dungeons, dragons and chugs soda, act like 3258 03:00:45.159 --> 03:00:48.040 absolute idiots until the sugar rush ended. All like good 3259 03:00:48.079 --> 03:00:50.479 twelve years old twelve year old at D and D sessions. 3260 03:00:50.479 --> 03:00:53.399 It would eventually end up as a wrestling match, So 3261 03:00:53.520 --> 03:00:57.760 the Memories. Chris writes that Hogan ripping up the Goadaffi 3262 03:00:57.840 --> 03:01:00.680 photo in the Real American Music video was the equivalent 3263 03:01:00.719 --> 03:01:02.920 to the opening scene in one of the Naked Gun 3264 03:01:03.040 --> 03:01:06.520 movies where Frank Dreben infiltrated a meeting of America's enemies Coffee. 3265 03:01:06.920 --> 03:01:10.159 It's a great the first one. It's such a great opening, 3266 03:01:10.239 --> 03:01:12.760 Astro Phoenix and others beat them up and escaped. Yeah, 3267 03:01:12.840 --> 03:01:15.319 it pretty much is it pretty much is. 3268 03:01:16.840 --> 03:01:32.799 A lapsed fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows 3269 03:01:32.879 --> 03:01:50.920 the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's 3270 03:01:51.000 --> 03:01:55.200 a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio m 3271 03:01:55.280 --> 03:01:56.040 JP Soro. 3272 03:01:56.959 --> 03:01:59.520 He says, it's a listener to Doctor Demendo's Doctor Demdo 3273 03:01:59.559 --> 03:02:02.040 syndicated in the seventeen eighties. I heard the Fred Blasty 3274 03:02:02.120 --> 03:02:04.360 pencil neck geek song a lot. Does this give the 3275 03:02:04.440 --> 03:02:07.159 boss a utc tie in for Weird the Al Yankovic 3276 03:02:07.239 --> 03:02:12.639 story starring Daniel Radcliffe as Weird Al. What happened? What's 3277 03:02:12.680 --> 03:02:15.079 the connection? I guess that Doctor Demento came up on 3278 03:02:15.120 --> 03:02:18.280 our show about the wrestling album and influenced the genre 3279 03:02:18.399 --> 03:02:20.639 of the wrestling album belongs to It's it's no, it's 3280 03:02:20.680 --> 03:02:24.120 not a real connection. No, that's going to be in it. 3281 03:02:24.879 --> 03:02:27.840 But they want you to experience the Damien Demento show. 3282 03:02:27.879 --> 03:02:30.360 That's really what they want more than anything else. So 3283 03:02:31.000 --> 03:02:34.840 the Doctor Demento Show, not Damien Demento. I say, said Damien. 3284 03:02:34.879 --> 03:02:37.479 I knew that was I am shocked that it took 3285 03:02:37.559 --> 03:02:39.959 that long for me to do that, that I kept 3286 03:02:40.000 --> 03:02:44.520 it together that long. On Gene Okerlin in the way 3287 03:02:44.520 --> 03:02:48.319 he approaches people outside the Slammies in Baltimore, Zach writes, 3288 03:02:48.319 --> 03:02:50.319 I'm going to teach my son the appropriate way to 3289 03:02:50.360 --> 03:02:53.360 approach ladies he's interested in. Starts with excuse me, ladies? 3290 03:02:53.399 --> 03:02:56.760 Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Plenty of dates, 3291 03:02:57.479 --> 03:03:00.159 I think that, yes, exactly. I think people need to 3292 03:03:01.159 --> 03:03:05.000 ask to prevail upon somebody more often, and it's Robert 3293 03:03:05.000 --> 03:03:06.559 who gets the credit for the cost. I think we 3294 03:03:06.600 --> 03:03:09.200 should be getting El Matador's cameo take on every show, 3295 03:03:09.360 --> 03:03:14.040 even once he's not on. Yes, no question, very nice. 3296 03:03:16.120 --> 03:03:19.399 Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Please? I'm sorry? 3297 03:03:19.520 --> 03:03:25.159 What if I prevail upon momentarily? He says, momentarily, If 3298 03:03:25.200 --> 03:03:28.120 I could momentarily prevail upon you, excuse me, and I 3299 03:03:28.200 --> 03:03:31.920 can prevail upon you momentary, shut the funk up with 3300 03:03:32.040 --> 03:03:34.680 your gimmick. Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Are you 3301 03:03:34.760 --> 03:03:37.000 gonna prevail on me momentarily? You're gonna prevail on me 3302 03:03:37.600 --> 03:03:39.639 for a while? Question, what do you mean in a 3303 03:03:39.719 --> 03:03:44.120 moment or like momentarily right now? Momentarily, if I'm not mistaken, 3304 03:03:44.200 --> 03:03:47.280 not to be a pedant about it, but momentarily means 3305 03:03:47.360 --> 03:03:49.840 for a moment, not in a moment, So it doesn't 3306 03:03:49.879 --> 03:03:52.280 mean that you're gonna we'll be back momentarily. That doesn't 3307 03:03:52.280 --> 03:03:56.040 make any sense. You do something momentarily. I brushed my teeth, Momentarily, 3308 03:03:56.159 --> 03:03:58.719 I knocked on the phone. I don't understand how it 3309 03:03:58.760 --> 03:04:01.959 came to mean it'll happen soon. But I'm sure if 3310 03:04:02.000 --> 03:04:03.520 you looked it up, it would say that's the definition. 3311 03:04:03.600 --> 03:04:06.280 But I'm not sure that that's the oldest and original 3312 03:04:06.360 --> 03:04:09.280 definition anyway. That always throws me when I hear people 3313 03:04:09.360 --> 03:04:12.680 use it that way. The credit goes to John for 3314 03:04:12.920 --> 03:04:18.600 the list of wrestling related vinyl over the years. He's 3315 03:04:18.639 --> 03:04:21.719 got what is it six d and seventy four items 3316 03:04:22.280 --> 03:04:26.399 that qualify, including the nineteen eighty four IWGP official record. 3317 03:04:26.600 --> 03:04:29.520 That is to say, yes, New Japan's International Wrestling Grand Prix. 3318 03:04:29.559 --> 03:04:31.879 There was an official record, and he's got all this 3319 03:04:32.000 --> 03:04:34.280 cool stuff from Japan. If you want to check it out. 3320 03:04:34.399 --> 03:04:38.360 It's Bozos, Biceps and Beats on the disccogs website disccogs 3321 03:04:38.799 --> 03:04:42.239 scogs dot com. So if you look up the Bozos 3322 03:04:42.319 --> 03:04:46.559 Biceps Beats list, He's got a great running tally of 3323 03:04:46.760 --> 03:04:48.879 all of these wrestling related albums that have come out 3324 03:04:48.879 --> 03:04:51.600 over the years, including Yes, There it is, Texas, Bronco, 3325 03:04:51.799 --> 03:04:55.959 Terry Funk. My God, what a time to be alive. 3326 03:04:56.239 --> 03:04:57.959 But I want to give shout outs to John and 3327 03:04:58.120 --> 03:05:03.040 pass that link along for those interested. Yes, and shouts 3328 03:05:03.079 --> 03:05:05.840 to Phil for reminding us that yes. I think at 3329 03:05:05.879 --> 03:05:09.040 one point during the wrestling album discussion, you asked, was 3330 03:05:09.079 --> 03:05:13.719 Goadaffi threatening America's freedom? Why would Hogan rip his picture 3331 03:05:13.760 --> 03:05:16.159 up in the video? And Phil is keen to remind 3332 03:05:16.239 --> 03:05:19.040 us that yes, Goaddaffi was allegedly behind the bombing of 3333 03:05:19.079 --> 03:05:21.000 pan Am flight one O three and eighty eight, which 3334 03:05:21.120 --> 03:05:23.360 landed on the Scottish town of lockerby killing all two 3335 03:05:23.440 --> 03:05:25.879 hundred and fifty nine people on board and another eleven 3336 03:05:25.920 --> 03:05:29.920 Scottish people on the ground. So was he an existential 3337 03:05:29.959 --> 03:05:34.280 threat to the US? Phil rights and the words of Bruno, Yeah, sure, 3338 03:05:34.959 --> 03:05:37.360 Zach writes, wrestling is basically the kid who will eat 3339 03:05:37.399 --> 03:05:41.799 gross things just to get your attention. All right, that's true. 3340 03:05:42.239 --> 03:05:43.959 Some of these guys are just like that. You know, 3341 03:05:44.440 --> 03:05:48.120 how can I mutilate myself? Yeah? Well, you know, you 3342 03:05:48.200 --> 03:05:49.639 got him, you know, what do you want? Are you 3343 03:05:49.719 --> 03:05:54.520 with Paul here? Without nostalgic glasses on? Hogan's second theme is, 3344 03:05:54.600 --> 03:05:59.680 in my opinion, vastly superior to real American. He says 3345 03:05:59.719 --> 03:06:02.520 this some walked out to real American at his own wedding. Boss. 3346 03:06:04.120 --> 03:06:06.440 There are elements that of it that I really do like. 3347 03:06:06.559 --> 03:06:10.719 I think it's I think it's it's it's definitely very 3348 03:06:10.840 --> 03:06:13.680 cool in many ways. I think it's a neat It's 3349 03:06:13.719 --> 03:06:18.040 a good theme. I I don't know if it has 3350 03:06:18.120 --> 03:06:21.600 the same punch as real American got it. I mean, 3351 03:06:21.879 --> 03:06:24.760 real Americans got a very Yeah, that's one of a kind. 3352 03:06:24.840 --> 03:06:29.879 That's like, yeah, unforgettable stuff. You hear that, I mean, 3353 03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:34.440 it's exciting even even when he's you know, even when 3354 03:06:34.520 --> 03:06:38.040 you're reminded that he's a racist and an idiot. Right, So, 3355 03:06:38.319 --> 03:06:40.959 like you like the thing is you hear that, You 3356 03:06:41.120 --> 03:06:46.559 hear that those first two those like the first couple 3357 03:06:46.600 --> 03:06:49.319 of measures of the songs, right and the first chorus, 3358 03:06:49.360 --> 03:06:53.000 and like you immediately get excited, you like, even and 3359 03:06:53.079 --> 03:06:55.319 then you remind yourself of what an asshole he is, 3360 03:06:55.959 --> 03:06:59.840 but you're still excited that first moment, Oh for sure, 3361 03:07:00.079 --> 03:07:03.959 it's it's a it's a crazy it's a crazy feeling. Yeah, 3362 03:07:03.959 --> 03:07:05.719 if you can. If the first thing you think about 3363 03:07:05.799 --> 03:07:08.079 is him kicking ass and come into the ring and 3364 03:07:08.120 --> 03:07:11.079 pointing at the guy whose number is finally up right, 3365 03:07:11.360 --> 03:07:13.280 you can't not be electrified by it. But if you 3366 03:07:13.319 --> 03:07:15.440 think of other things when you hear that song, which 3367 03:07:15.520 --> 03:07:19.360 is of course understandable that it's not so much. But yeah, 3368 03:07:20.799 --> 03:07:23.760 just another another example of how it used to be better. 3369 03:07:23.799 --> 03:07:26.680 We used to be able to have nice things. Remember that, Yes, 3370 03:07:26.840 --> 03:07:30.600 used to be able to cherish our little heroes. Neil writes, 3371 03:07:31.239 --> 03:07:35.440 Slammy Awards or Boss the Slaman's Awards. Oh yes, slam 3372 03:07:35.520 --> 03:07:41.719 It's awards for sure. Dunk definitely great. The Slammins got 3373 03:07:41.799 --> 03:07:45.120 a dispatch here from our friend Connor that I hope 3374 03:07:45.120 --> 03:07:47.440 you could uh yes, you could share with the solar 3375 03:07:47.520 --> 03:07:51.120 system from Belfast. No less so uh come in your 3376 03:07:51.159 --> 03:07:55.079 way here in just a moment or momentarily momentarily that 3377 03:07:55.280 --> 03:07:58.799 gorilla would Gene would say, you can prevail upon me momentarily. 3378 03:07:59.239 --> 03:08:04.760 Thanks for that premier greetings from Belfast. I've been a 3379 03:08:04.799 --> 03:08:07.479 listener since the early days when a cast was a 3380 03:08:07.600 --> 03:08:10.959 Measley three hours. Oh my god, Oh, how we grow. 3381 03:08:11.719 --> 03:08:14.760 During that time, I've went through a listening pattern that 3382 03:08:14.840 --> 03:08:17.600 I'm sure is pretty familiar to you both. It started 3383 03:08:17.639 --> 03:08:20.280 that the cast was one of many podcasts, Jericho, Austin, 3384 03:08:20.360 --> 03:08:23.360 some others. But as these casts grew a bit stale 3385 03:08:23.440 --> 03:08:25.559 and tired to your left just got better and better. 3386 03:08:26.079 --> 03:08:28.440 I was a free loader who pays for a podcast, right, 3387 03:08:28.520 --> 03:08:32.479 But then a strange thing happened. I needed the extra 3388 03:08:32.600 --> 03:08:35.440 content's right. Hey, look it's there's no way around it. 3389 03:08:35.559 --> 03:08:39.360 I mean, you have to be a mighty, mighty strong, 3390 03:08:39.639 --> 03:08:43.280 self involved kind of person to pretend that doesn't creep in. 3391 03:08:44.040 --> 03:08:47.600 And there aren't that many out there. There. We convert, 3392 03:08:48.280 --> 03:08:54.479 we convert. Okay, that's one thing you can say. I 3393 03:08:54.600 --> 03:08:57.000 needed the extra content. First it was the three sixteen, 3394 03:08:57.600 --> 03:08:59.719 then the ten dollars tier, hang on, an extra ten 3395 03:08:59.760 --> 03:09:04.120 dollars was for movies. Nope, not for me. But then yeah, 3396 03:09:04.200 --> 03:09:08.319 but then yeah, a little tasty here or there, and yep, 3397 03:09:08.399 --> 03:09:11.959 you bastards got me again. Cinemat is now as undeniable 3398 03:09:12.319 --> 03:09:16.360 as the rest of the content on your street correct system. Yes, 3399 03:09:17.040 --> 03:09:19.760 I will say this. I've never enjoyed James Bond movies, 3400 03:09:20.159 --> 03:09:22.559 just not my thing. But the bond Jerney was incredible. 3401 03:09:23.079 --> 03:09:25.399 The amount of ground you covered was remarkable. One small 3402 03:09:25.479 --> 03:09:28.760 thing that that stood out for me and then never 3403 03:09:28.840 --> 03:09:31.879 seen ever again. Episode JP calls out a random bad 3404 03:09:31.959 --> 03:09:41.360 guy as what calls out a random bad guy's Rick 3405 03:09:41.520 --> 03:09:50.399 van Dickhead. I forgot that at all, And then a 3406 03:09:50.479 --> 03:09:54.559 little later in the episode says this is a Geiger counter. 3407 03:09:55.559 --> 03:09:59.319 It counts Geiger's aweso. 3408 03:10:00.159 --> 03:10:00.399 Ah. 3409 03:10:01.799 --> 03:10:05.680 Both of these had me in stitches. Jesus Christ, Oh 3410 03:10:05.760 --> 03:10:08.000 my god, I have no recollection to say that ship 3411 03:10:09.000 --> 03:10:13.280 at all. I fucking live for the family few sound 3412 03:10:13.360 --> 03:10:13.680 by me. 3413 03:10:16.920 --> 03:10:19.120 I can't wait to your Kim would have uprated something. 3414 03:10:19.639 --> 03:10:22.200 Oh my god, I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. 3415 03:10:24.360 --> 03:10:28.040 I fucking lived for the personal highlights being Hogan's boo 3416 03:10:29.159 --> 03:10:39.680 and bit shops. No, and then of course I forgot 3417 03:10:39.719 --> 03:10:47.760 about that. No, No, and then of course yeah, these 3418 03:10:47.920 --> 03:10:53.200 segments are so stupid and brilliant and essential. Yes. Yes, 3419 03:10:53.440 --> 03:10:55.879 then you guys pivot from spending ten minutes on David 3420 03:10:55.920 --> 03:10:58.719 in the Juice Milkshake. Rachel's were break down of what 3421 03:10:59.000 --> 03:11:01.079 is wrong with modern world. 3422 03:11:02.520 --> 03:11:04.959 I think it's not the point where nobody looks forward 3423 03:11:05.000 --> 03:11:06.639 to anything anymore. 3424 03:11:10.040 --> 03:11:14.719 That's right. Everything is instant or it's not worth a shit. 3425 03:11:16.040 --> 03:11:19.639 We have far too much choice. Convenience has killed the 3426 03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:24.799 joy of waiting and discovering things. I'm about the same 3427 03:11:24.879 --> 03:11:27.239 age as you guys. My go to is and always 3428 03:11:27.280 --> 03:11:30.520 will be, the early nineties W stuff. There's just a 3429 03:11:30.680 --> 03:11:33.239 comfort in that area over here. All of the available 3430 03:11:33.399 --> 03:11:38.200 W stuff is now on Netflix, all pay per views, limited, 3431 03:11:38.319 --> 03:11:43.639 raw and like I says, snackdown s nacc snackdown from 3432 03:11:43.719 --> 03:11:46.280 years ago, but none of the non W stuff. I 3433 03:11:46.399 --> 03:11:49.479 was initially a bit pissed at this, but guess what, 3434 03:11:50.120 --> 03:11:53.559 less choice makes watching easier. My wife and I just 3435 03:11:53.639 --> 03:11:55.559 had our second child, and I've been lucky enough to 3436 03:11:55.600 --> 03:11:58.200 get a decent amount of leave off work during the 3437 03:11:58.280 --> 03:12:01.360 late nights. I've decided to start working through the www 3438 03:12:01.559 --> 03:12:04.719 pay per views in order, and I've just finished Survivors 3439 03:12:05.559 --> 03:12:09.000 Wait Summer Slam ninety two. Not having to spend hours 3440 03:12:09.000 --> 03:12:13.040 scrolling to pick stuff is liberating. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, 3441 03:12:14.040 --> 03:12:15.440 I guess too that you know what they've got now, 3442 03:12:15.479 --> 03:12:18.639 They've got a YouTube page dedicated to WCW. I saw that. 3443 03:12:18.719 --> 03:12:22.360 It's wonderful, right, idea. Yeah, it is wonderful. The mini 3444 03:12:22.440 --> 03:12:25.360 Journey of Mine is highlighted. This mini journey of Mine 3445 03:12:25.360 --> 03:12:28.520 as highlighted my two favorites, Brett Hart and Randy Savage. 3446 03:12:29.280 --> 03:12:33.799 Bred to me was I was ready for that at all? 3447 03:12:34.399 --> 03:12:49.200 How think you've ever done that? One? Random's Savage? Just 3448 03:12:49.319 --> 03:12:51.840 see I always say, I always say, like part of 3449 03:12:51.879 --> 03:12:54.079 what we do is we just like we say something 3450 03:12:54.200 --> 03:12:57.760 just to see how it sounds. Like this one hits Yeah, Yeah, 3451 03:12:58.040 --> 03:13:02.319 you're just standing around making noise each other, like like, vonn, 3452 03:13:03.280 --> 03:13:05.959 why it's funny? It is? I mean I think you 3453 03:13:06.040 --> 03:13:09.120 can deny that. If you don't think it's funny, I 3454 03:13:09.120 --> 03:13:10.840 don't want anything to do with you. Let's put that way. 3455 03:13:10.879 --> 03:13:15.040 Yeah you don't think it's funny, go fuck yourself. Randon's Savage. 3456 03:13:16.319 --> 03:13:18.600 Brett to me was at his best and most memorable 3457 03:13:18.680 --> 03:13:21.159 making other guys look like a million dollars owing a 3458 03:13:21.319 --> 03:13:25.600 Mania ten is series of matches with diesel Mania double 3459 03:13:25.639 --> 03:13:28.040 turned with Austin, but the ultimate example in the in 3460 03:13:28.159 --> 03:13:31.559 the Soma Slam match with Bulldog in his home tune 3461 03:13:32.040 --> 03:13:37.440 of Leeds Mom Chess alone in England. The fact that 3462 03:13:37.559 --> 03:13:39.760 Brett could drag that level of a match out of 3463 03:13:39.840 --> 03:13:45.440 a gassed up pill head is quite frankly ridiculous. And 3464 03:13:45.559 --> 03:13:48.440 that's and that's why that will always be my favorite 3465 03:13:48.440 --> 03:13:52.319 Brett match. I know he's a bit earnest and an 3466 03:13:52.440 --> 03:13:56.959 artist and all and all that, but sweet Jesus, was 3467 03:13:57.000 --> 03:14:01.959 he not just a fantastic wrestler. His supplex, his goddamn supplex, 3468 03:14:02.159 --> 03:14:05.680 not quite a snap supplex, not just a standard tu 3469 03:14:05.799 --> 03:14:08.440 but for something of his own unique lift where his 3470 03:14:08.520 --> 03:14:10.920 foot came up right. It wasn't just the kind of 3471 03:14:10.959 --> 03:14:12.840 the snaps too, look just fall down. It was like 3472 03:14:13.440 --> 03:14:17.840 he lifted it up in a very very brisk way. Yes, 3473 03:14:18.159 --> 03:14:20.920 very authoritative, like you knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah, 3474 03:14:21.440 --> 03:14:24.280 it's like he's straining every ounce when he hoisted a 3475 03:14:24.360 --> 03:14:27.840 mofo a Brett Hart. Question for the co chairs, is 3476 03:14:27.879 --> 03:14:31.559 Brett the only WW champ to wear long tights and 3477 03:14:31.639 --> 03:14:36.280 a singlet topay? No, Diesel, Well, he didn't wear tights, 3478 03:14:36.319 --> 03:14:43.399 though he wore pants. Great question that can think of. Yeah, 3479 03:14:43.440 --> 03:14:49.559 I think that's it. Vader Vader did mean never was champion, 3480 03:14:49.639 --> 03:14:52.760 though he was never w OH champion. No, he's the 3481 03:14:52.799 --> 03:14:55.639 only one, the only w W champ. Of course he's diesel, 3482 03:14:55.760 --> 03:14:57.959 but he didn't, but he wore the he had the 3483 03:14:58.040 --> 03:15:01.799 leather pants. But similar gimmick though for a long time. 3484 03:15:02.200 --> 03:15:03.680 It only just occurred to me. And I can't think 3485 03:15:03.680 --> 03:15:06.159 of anyone else with that couple. Yeah, I don't think so. 3486 03:15:06.639 --> 03:15:13.159 Uh well, it depends on the day. Warrior, slaughter, oh fuck, 3487 03:15:14.159 --> 03:15:17.360 sometimes slaughter wear the black, the black tights anywhere the 3488 03:15:18.399 --> 03:15:21.040 so sometimes wear pants, but something sometimes you wear pants 3489 03:15:21.079 --> 03:15:24.280 for there wasn't always tights he wore. He wore a 3490 03:15:24.399 --> 03:15:28.799 khakis at Messonia seven. Oh, he's coming back from war, right, 3491 03:15:28.840 --> 03:15:33.879 he's wearing his fucking uh you know, his uh mh, 3492 03:15:34.520 --> 03:15:41.520 his Iraqi military uniform, his Iraqi military class as he 3493 03:15:41.639 --> 03:15:45.719 was wearing his Persian golf. Yeah, yeah, the dress, s giar, 3494 03:15:48.079 --> 03:15:55.120 you're wearing the khakis at Saddam Hussein gave him? Yeah, 3495 03:15:55.680 --> 03:15:57.760 who gave him the iron chic all those years too? 3496 03:15:57.840 --> 03:16:02.239 By the way, Sam gave him the slaughter, but iron 3497 03:16:02.319 --> 03:16:04.360 cheek was wearing him for years before that, from the 3498 03:16:04.479 --> 03:16:06.959 enemy country of Iran. No less right, how that works. 3499 03:16:09.559 --> 03:16:12.920 Randon's savage might be the greatest ever when it comes 3500 03:16:12.959 --> 03:16:16.959 to making the crowd feel I agree, the crowd can 3501 03:16:17.239 --> 03:16:19.440 the guy can sell like no other. When I think 3502 03:16:19.440 --> 03:16:23.200 about Randon's career, I don't remember moves, but the way 3503 03:16:23.319 --> 03:16:27.000 he could make you a viewer feel, And the guy 3504 03:16:27.079 --> 03:16:31.200 had so many versions in his WWWE stant early Macho 3505 03:16:32.319 --> 03:16:37.280 Icy title versus Steamers World World Title, Macho, Macho King 3506 03:16:37.440 --> 03:16:41.680 Long Tight's Macho king off, the Royd's macho on his 3507 03:16:41.799 --> 03:16:45.680 colorful madness. Randy at WrestleMania seven is every bit as 3508 03:16:45.719 --> 03:16:49.479 good as Brett Austin and WrestleMania thirteen. How he went 3509 03:16:49.600 --> 03:16:53.079 from being hated to sympathetic to getting his ass kicked 3510 03:16:53.120 --> 03:16:55.920 by Sherry to making everyone feel so strongly with the 3511 03:16:56.000 --> 03:16:59.200 Liz reunion is something else agreed, unbelievable. What it is 3512 03:16:59.319 --> 03:17:02.319 when you put it that way, it's incredible storytelling. You know, 3513 03:17:02.520 --> 03:17:08.520 there's no quote versatility, yes, yes, but to be able 3514 03:17:08.600 --> 03:17:12.479 to do like to sell, I mean the way that 3515 03:17:12.600 --> 03:17:21.000 that that that post match thing was is really remarkable. 3516 03:17:24.959 --> 03:17:26.920 It's because the greatest thing to happen in w w 3517 03:17:27.079 --> 03:17:33.639 ring ever, it's so well done, and it's so well 3518 03:17:33.760 --> 03:17:37.879 thought out, and it's so nuanced that like it's it's, 3519 03:17:38.040 --> 03:17:42.799 it's it, but it's done with such ease and such fluidity. 3520 03:17:44.120 --> 03:17:46.399 But when you really think about it, like the ability 3521 03:17:47.120 --> 03:17:53.159 you have to really to get that kind of a payoff, Okay, 3522 03:17:55.399 --> 03:18:01.079 you have to also create that in the match, yeah, 3523 03:18:01.120 --> 03:18:03.600 because the only way, Like, he can't be a crazy 3524 03:18:03.719 --> 03:18:07.319 ass uber heel, and he's not in the entire match. 3525 03:18:07.479 --> 03:18:09.959 He wrestles pretty clean for the most part. A couple 3526 03:18:10.040 --> 03:18:13.520 cheating things here and there, but like, what makes that 3527 03:18:14.479 --> 03:18:18.559 moment so great is he did try his damnedest. Yes, 3528 03:18:18.959 --> 03:18:22.319 he gave five elbows to Warriors, his career on the line, 3529 03:18:23.479 --> 03:18:26.079 career on the line, the whole thing, and then Sherry 3530 03:18:26.159 --> 03:18:28.040 comes in and beats the shit out of him. Like 3531 03:18:28.319 --> 03:18:34.600 it's it's not just that moment, it's everything else, because 3532 03:18:34.719 --> 03:18:36.600 it's not just a baby face who went out there 3533 03:18:36.680 --> 03:18:40.319 and did his thing and then lost. It is one 3534 03:18:40.399 --> 03:18:43.559 of the most hated heels of the time, who you're 3535 03:18:43.600 --> 03:18:48.120 going to turn around at this moment. It's really phenomenal. 3536 03:18:48.479 --> 03:18:51.360 It's I always say it, and we said it when 3537 03:18:51.360 --> 03:18:53.200 we talked about it years and years ago when we 3538 03:18:53.319 --> 03:18:57.159 covered that show. It's the thing I would hold up 3539 03:18:57.280 --> 03:18:59.840 to say. You know what, Like you laugh at wrestling 3540 03:19:00.000 --> 03:19:03.520 as like a high drama, right, yeah you should, But 3541 03:19:04.520 --> 03:19:09.000 if that's possible I'm sticking around. Yep, if if wrestling, 3542 03:19:09.079 --> 03:19:11.520 if wrestlers and wrestling can be good enough to create 3543 03:19:11.600 --> 03:19:14.120 that moment, and it wasn't the biggest money moment in 3544 03:19:14.159 --> 03:19:16.000 the world, it was a weak house and all that 3545 03:19:16.239 --> 03:19:19.600 don't care talking about how it resonated at the moment 3546 03:19:19.719 --> 03:19:23.040 with the people who did show up unbelievable. And I'm 3547 03:19:23.120 --> 03:19:25.639 and I'm still here waiting for that. In some ways, 3548 03:19:25.639 --> 03:19:27.239 I'm still trying to get back to a place where 3549 03:19:27.239 --> 03:19:29.280 I'm like, wow, look what wrestling created. Look at that 3550 03:19:29.399 --> 03:19:32.000 moment right there. Yeah, yeah, that's just it, you know, 3551 03:19:33.159 --> 03:19:36.799 that is it. We're all and everybody was to where 3552 03:19:36.920 --> 03:19:40.879 the emotional weight was, and a crowd that was thinking 3553 03:19:41.159 --> 03:19:43.360 nothing of Elizabeth when they sat down for that match 3554 03:19:43.840 --> 03:19:47.479 right from their mind. In the end, it's like, of 3555 03:19:47.559 --> 03:19:50.000 course it was all about Elizabeth in the end. That's 3556 03:19:50.079 --> 03:19:57.239 good stuff. Yes, it's just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. 3557 03:19:59.040 --> 03:20:05.239 Wrestling is stupid nice, it's phony. Yes, it's fake and fraudulent, 3558 03:20:05.319 --> 03:20:08.159 but when it's that good, it's still worth the pain. 3559 03:20:08.239 --> 03:20:10.840 So I'm saying exactly, Yep. It goes without saying that 3560 03:20:11.000 --> 03:20:13.200 modern wrestling will never be as good as the stuff 3561 03:20:13.280 --> 03:20:15.600 we cut our teeth on, but it can still have 3562 03:20:15.879 --> 03:20:19.479 little moments of feeling. I'm writing this just after the 3563 03:20:19.520 --> 03:20:22.280 Elimination Chamber and two things. Yes, the Scene Hill turn 3564 03:20:22.399 --> 03:20:26.440 is something that legitimately sits alongside the Hogan turn. I 3565 03:20:26.520 --> 03:20:29.280 can't believe they're finally doing it, and I wish them well. 3566 03:20:29.879 --> 03:20:31.719 The other thing is that, for the first time since 3567 03:20:31.760 --> 03:20:34.600 probably Daniel Bryant at Wrestling in thirty, I was excited 3568 03:20:34.680 --> 03:20:38.040 by wrestling in the chamber match when it was just 3569 03:20:38.200 --> 03:20:41.479 Punk and Sina, I was genuinely just watching and wanting 3570 03:20:41.559 --> 03:20:45.000 Punk to win. I wasn't thinking about booking or work 3571 03:20:45.079 --> 03:20:48.360 rate or star rating. I was just watching and paying attention. 3572 03:20:49.159 --> 03:20:51.879 And that's it. And that's what's the key in that phrase, 3573 03:20:52.079 --> 03:20:54.879 you wanted Punk to win. That's what's missing, right is 3574 03:20:55.159 --> 03:20:59.799 Steaks is rooting interest. Yes, wrestling cannot be as great 3575 03:20:59.799 --> 03:21:02.239 as it can be unless there is rooting interest from 3576 03:21:02.280 --> 03:21:05.680 the audience. If the crowd doesn't, we're kind of indifferent 3577 03:21:05.719 --> 03:21:08.239 to who goes over and doesn't show up, pinning their 3578 03:21:08.280 --> 03:21:10.479 hopes on one of the two guys winning and one 3579 03:21:10.520 --> 03:21:11.840 of the two women winning and one of the two 3580 03:21:11.879 --> 03:21:15.200 teams winning, then while it can be wonderful, it is 3581 03:21:15.319 --> 03:21:17.920 not pro wrestling at its best. It is not the 3582 03:21:18.040 --> 03:21:20.159 peak of what pro wrestling can be. It has to 3583 03:21:20.239 --> 03:21:22.479 be just like any other sport where the stadium is 3584 03:21:22.559 --> 03:21:24.760 full of mostly people that want to see one person win. 3585 03:21:24.840 --> 03:21:26.840 If everyone does their job on the way in, that's 3586 03:21:26.920 --> 03:21:29.239 the dynamic you create. Doesn't mean that person has to win, 3587 03:21:29.600 --> 03:21:31.520 but that has to be the prevailing energy of the crowd. 3588 03:21:31.680 --> 03:21:34.799 But if people show up to see two people exert 3589 03:21:34.879 --> 03:21:40.239 themselves without carrying which of the two actually wins, then 3590 03:21:40.520 --> 03:21:43.159 you've left something on the table, and that is, by definition, 3591 03:21:43.280 --> 03:21:46.239 inferior to what it could be if you achieved all 3592 03:21:46.319 --> 03:21:52.120 that work rate plus that dynamic. Yeah, sorry, no, doesn't 3593 03:21:52.120 --> 03:21:53.760 mean those two guys who are killing themselves in the 3594 03:21:53.840 --> 03:21:56.280 ring are doing anything wrong. It just means they're not 3595 03:21:56.399 --> 03:22:00.799 doing everything. They're not exercising every option the pro wrestling 3596 03:22:00.840 --> 03:22:02.920 presents to them. It's not their fault, it's the booker's fault. 3597 03:22:03.280 --> 03:22:04.719 But I don't get a fuck whose fault it is. 3598 03:22:04.959 --> 03:22:19.360 It's it's inferior. Yep, just gene watching and that's it. 3599 03:22:19.520 --> 03:22:22.879 Mostly bad. Spare me the press conferences, but when it's good. 3600 03:22:23.079 --> 03:22:25.639 It allows us to just watch and pay attention, and 3601 03:22:25.840 --> 03:22:28.079 Matt is becoming harder to do in the world that 3602 03:22:28.120 --> 03:22:31.159 we live in. This podcast genuinely means a lot to 3603 03:22:31.280 --> 03:22:38.520 me and has me through a lot of long drives, housework, 3604 03:22:38.639 --> 03:22:41.440 and some really difficult personal stuff that I'll keep to 3605 03:22:41.559 --> 03:22:44.959 myself for now. You two are doing God's work. Here's 3606 03:22:44.959 --> 03:22:48.520 to another ten years. Goddamn right, Connor, goddamn right. Not 3607 03:22:48.639 --> 03:22:52.000 a joke, not a fucking game, and he adds in 3608 03:22:52.040 --> 03:22:54.559 Mike excitement, I forgot to add two points one Duke 3609 03:22:54.639 --> 03:22:57.680 Trosy is on the Mount rushmore of wrestlers with other occupations, 3610 03:22:58.639 --> 03:23:00.959 greed no question to me for a moment to picture 3611 03:23:01.000 --> 03:23:03.239 this a man with two loves keeping the streets free 3612 03:23:03.239 --> 03:23:05.840 from trash and a love for grappling. But how does 3613 03:23:05.879 --> 03:23:07.639 he keep his hand in the trash game while grappling? 3614 03:23:07.920 --> 03:23:09.840 Does he pick up shifts whenever the feed is in town? 3615 03:23:10.000 --> 03:23:12.799 The admin and planning involved must have been tortures. He 3616 03:23:12.959 --> 03:23:14.680 must have had a pretty good handle, and all the 3617 03:23:14.760 --> 03:23:17.079 movers and shakers in the trash game could agree more. 3618 03:23:17.120 --> 03:23:19.879 I mean, how do these guys juggle two occupations? It's 3619 03:23:19.920 --> 03:23:22.440 hard enough to break into the wrestling business. But to 3620 03:23:22.479 --> 03:23:24.399 be able to do that and be a plumber, that's 3621 03:23:25.000 --> 03:23:27.920 I mean exactly skill trade. You know, your moonlighting in 3622 03:23:28.000 --> 03:23:29.920 a different career, Like, that's a lot. That's a lot 3623 03:23:29.959 --> 03:23:33.760 to do when you're not working. You're working exactly and too. 3624 03:23:33.879 --> 03:23:36.239 I beg constant, he says, I beg you do the 3625 03:23:36.319 --> 03:23:51.319 Savage journey? Boss, Yes, what lots? I mean, Hey, what 3626 03:23:51.600 --> 03:23:54.879 what you ask for? It's it's uh, it's it's neither 3627 03:23:54.959 --> 03:24:00.479 here nor there. It's a thing. It happened that it 3628 03:24:00.600 --> 03:24:05.239 may happen. You know, it's a h it's it's it 3629 03:24:05.360 --> 03:24:10.000 is what it is. You know, nice non evasive answer here. 3630 03:24:10.079 --> 03:24:12.760 I love it. I love when you don't get evasive. 3631 03:24:13.959 --> 03:24:16.799 It's stuff, Boss, that's awesome, he says. If you can 3632 03:24:16.840 --> 03:24:19.280 do forty hours on set, I expect four hundred on 3633 03:24:19.360 --> 03:24:21.200 Randy you have, But do you want to pay four 3634 03:24:21.280 --> 03:24:23.319 hundred We're about to find out it'd be like two, 3635 03:24:23.680 --> 03:24:27.120 like two fucking years worth of Randy on Randy Angelo, Landy, 3636 03:24:27.200 --> 03:24:30.440 Liz Baseball, Slim, Jim Royd, Snakes and wo all the rest. 3637 03:24:30.639 --> 03:24:32.600 Not only does lap solar system need it? Be honest, 3638 03:24:32.639 --> 03:24:35.040 there's the itch if that is isn't there. You bastards 3639 03:24:35.120 --> 03:24:37.280 need it too. That being said, we will make our medicine, 3640 03:24:37.280 --> 03:24:39.479 take our medicine as good as lab stoctors dish it out. 3641 03:24:39.600 --> 03:24:42.360 Just be careful, be careful what you're playing with, Connor. 3642 03:24:42.399 --> 03:24:45.520 It's a live wire, my friend. It's a live wire, 3643 03:24:45.600 --> 03:24:48.879 and you may find yourself jones in for something that 3644 03:24:49.239 --> 03:24:51.680 asks as much of you as it does of us. 3645 03:24:52.639 --> 03:24:54.879 A tool belt for Daddy writes. The shittiest part about 3646 03:24:54.920 --> 03:24:57.440 this is that Codin's will win again at Mania Sena. 3647 03:24:57.479 --> 03:24:59.680 We'll go on a retribution face turn later this year, 3648 03:24:59.719 --> 03:25:01.760 and when the belt on December thirty first in Boston, 3649 03:25:01.840 --> 03:25:04.120 only to be cashed in on by minding the bank 3650 03:25:04.159 --> 03:25:06.959 winner to Logan Paul book it all right. I like that. 3651 03:25:07.920 --> 03:25:10.440 That's a kind of specific prediction I can get behind. 3652 03:25:11.239 --> 03:25:13.399 I did not know that the New Year's Eve SmackDown 3653 03:25:13.520 --> 03:25:16.319 was in Boston. Very interesting. I didn't know that either 3654 03:25:16.440 --> 03:25:20.200 I might be a relapsed fucking journey. I'd have to go, Matthew, fucked. 3655 03:25:20.319 --> 03:25:21.920 Thank you, that's how I pronounce it. Sorry if it's 3656 03:25:21.959 --> 03:25:25.200 not folked. Thank you very much for for your VIP 3657 03:25:25.360 --> 03:25:27.920 level tier. Salmon writes, this was like Austin Turning Hill 3658 03:25:27.959 --> 03:25:30.399 on the Rock and Fred Durst was just hanging out 3659 03:25:30.440 --> 03:25:33.120 in the ring. That is to say, Travis Scott, that's true, 3660 03:25:33.760 --> 03:25:36.360 no reason for Ruth. Thank you very much for bumping 3661 03:25:36.399 --> 03:25:39.840 up your pledge significantly. Reappreciate it. John, a longtime homie 3662 03:25:39.879 --> 03:25:42.079 John Byam Listen to the Show Forever, says the scene 3663 03:25:42.079 --> 03:25:44.360 of call was the greatest live call moment to date 3664 03:25:44.440 --> 03:25:49.600 for him. Incredible. Yeah, it was pretty wild. Yeah. I 3665 03:25:49.639 --> 03:25:51.360 think we might just have a reason to do that soon. 3666 03:25:51.440 --> 03:25:53.959 I don't know. Yeah, Richard Garcia, I want to thank 3667 03:25:54.000 --> 03:25:56.719 you very much for your your increase in pledge, And 3668 03:25:56.840 --> 03:26:01.879 he writes us he just he just needs more readied 3669 03:26:01.920 --> 03:26:04.280 access to the to the pls is what it came 3670 03:26:04.319 --> 03:26:08.680 down to. Those live calls, He says, He's left to 3671 03:26:08.760 --> 03:26:12.319 the sad without it, He's left to the dull, lifeless, 3672 03:26:12.360 --> 03:26:14.760 fake commentary of Michael Cole, Wade Barrett, and the god 3673 03:26:14.799 --> 03:26:17.920 awful pat full of commentary diseases. McAfee. I really don't 3674 03:26:17.920 --> 03:26:20.600 get the new Wwe have sold out stadiums, mumble wrap, 3675 03:26:20.680 --> 03:26:23.840 and mainstream reaction videos to WW events. If there's anything 3676 03:26:23.920 --> 03:26:27.120 faker than a WW performer, it's the internet influencer Cesspool, 3677 03:26:27.159 --> 03:26:29.639 they seem to have gotten themselves into. He writes, my 3678 03:26:29.760 --> 03:26:31.840 golden period was the late New Generation here up to 3679 03:26:31.879 --> 03:26:33.760 the end of the Attitude era. I love seeing in 3680 03:26:33.840 --> 03:26:36.600 my eyes the young, plucky underdog that everyone loved Sean 3681 03:26:36.639 --> 03:26:38.920 Michaels beat Brett Heart for the belt at WrestleMania twelve. 3682 03:26:39.000 --> 03:26:41.959 I love the goofy melodrama of Cain, the Unentertaker's brother, 3683 03:26:42.280 --> 03:26:44.479 coming back from being burned alive to seek his revenge. 3684 03:26:44.479 --> 03:26:46.440 And of course I love stone cold Steve Austin not 3685 03:26:46.559 --> 03:26:49.360 taking crap from his anyone and stomping what holes in 3686 03:26:49.360 --> 03:26:52.000 people's asses. But back to the current product, I cannot 3687 03:26:52.040 --> 03:26:54.120 bring myself to not check in on it, and because 3688 03:26:54.120 --> 03:26:55.959 I feel at some point it will get better. WW 3689 03:26:56.120 --> 03:26:58.719 builds to great moments, sure, but not like they used to. 3690 03:26:59.159 --> 03:27:01.680 I haven't been hyped up for rajsh SmackDown since twenty fourteen, 3691 03:27:01.719 --> 03:27:04.319 which led to Daniel Bryan winning the w Championship in 3692 03:27:04.319 --> 03:27:06.079 Triple AH and the opener and Randy Orton Batista in 3693 03:27:06.079 --> 03:27:08.479 the main event. When I originally watched Elimination Chamber, it 3694 03:27:08.520 --> 03:27:10.520 was dull and mundane up until the closing moments. Of 3695 03:27:10.559 --> 03:27:12.799 the over three hour show. Even though I'm up in 3696 03:27:12.840 --> 03:27:15.079 the current storylines, the commentary didn't do anything to make 3697 03:27:15.120 --> 03:27:17.760 me care. A week after Elimination Chamber, I saw that 3698 03:27:17.840 --> 03:27:19.760 my three sixteen tier blessed me with the laps fan 3699 03:27:19.840 --> 03:27:22.399 commentary of said p l e. I immediately fired up 3700 03:27:22.399 --> 03:27:25.239 the peacocks and started the same damn show I just watched. 3701 03:27:25.319 --> 03:27:27.920 To get the lapsed perspective on the slog of a show, 3702 03:27:28.200 --> 03:27:32.680 Suddenly everything was enhanced. At the time, the lackluster match 3703 03:27:32.719 --> 03:27:34.959 of Tiffy and Trish vers Naya and Cadence was suddenly 3704 03:27:35.000 --> 03:27:37.360 one star more. If the lapsed fan can make the 3705 03:27:37.440 --> 03:27:40.559 most boring match on a card doubly better with just commentary, 3706 03:27:40.680 --> 03:27:43.280 you have my vote. I'll be upping my pledge later 3707 03:27:43.399 --> 03:27:45.879 this month to get the earliest lapsed fan commentary of 3708 03:27:45.879 --> 03:27:48.719 WrestleMania forty one, because I love wrestling and I need 3709 03:27:48.799 --> 03:27:51.799 real wrestling fans opinions on fake wrestling matches. Thank you 3710 03:27:51.920 --> 03:27:56.000 for seeing a Mania. That's a good fucking way to 3711 03:27:56.040 --> 03:27:59.000 look at it. Right there. You're gonna We've been saying 3712 03:27:59.040 --> 03:28:02.000 that too. You're gonna anyway, you know what I mean, 3713 03:28:02.040 --> 03:28:04.280 You're gonna watch it anyway, so you might as well 3714 03:28:04.840 --> 03:28:07.799 fucking mean it. You know, you might as well enjoy 3715 03:28:07.879 --> 03:28:13.280 it with us instead of just suffering. You know, we're 3716 03:28:13.280 --> 03:28:15.399 in the same position as you. And further, we're doing 3717 03:28:15.440 --> 03:28:17.360 it not only for people that want to sync up 3718 03:28:17.399 --> 03:28:19.760 enjoyable commentary or or commentary that speaks to who they 3719 03:28:19.760 --> 03:28:21.559 are as fans. We do it for people that don't 3720 03:28:21.559 --> 03:28:23.280 even want to bother watching the video feed and just 3721 03:28:23.399 --> 03:28:25.719 fucking listen to us take them through it and paint 3722 03:28:25.760 --> 03:28:28.239 pictures for them and make the comments they would make 3723 03:28:28.239 --> 03:28:29.879 if they were sitting around with their friends watching a 3724 03:28:30.079 --> 03:28:35.600 p l E. Right, yeah, yeah, really quickly from our 3725 03:28:37.159 --> 03:28:39.200 to have our as a first initial here, I posted 3726 03:28:39.239 --> 03:28:41.239 the community threads on Patreon, but assume CoA chairs and 3727 03:28:41.319 --> 03:28:43.360 have time to be scrolling over there. So two brief 3728 03:28:43.399 --> 03:28:46.040 silly connections to white Whale films that departed. We've talked 3729 03:28:46.040 --> 03:28:49.360 about the departed, boss, you still need a connection, right, yes, 3730 03:28:49.600 --> 03:28:52.399 he says, I'm hazy on if Mania guests count. I'd 3731 03:28:52.479 --> 03:28:56.000 certainly watch any Raycomb's film appearances. But Mark Wahlberg filmed 3732 03:28:56.000 --> 03:28:58.000 the pre tape vignette for Wrestlminginia thirty eight in Dallas. 3733 03:28:58.040 --> 03:29:00.799 They are on Saturday. Who's the first famous face we 3734 03:29:00.879 --> 03:29:02.680 see a night one of the greatest night in sports, 3735 03:29:02.760 --> 03:29:06.000 Dorchester's own face and vo for two minutes Boston was 3736 03:29:06.040 --> 03:29:12.360 he there? Was he there? Person? I don't know if 3737 03:29:12.399 --> 03:29:13.879 we can find instance of help being at a show 3738 03:29:13.920 --> 03:29:18.360 accounts it would need I mean, if you got involved 3739 03:29:18.440 --> 03:29:22.680 with something, you know, that's always the key guest hosts 3740 03:29:22.719 --> 03:29:27.000 for RAW. That's a guest, it's it's it depends. It's 3741 03:29:27.040 --> 03:29:30.479 a it's a it's a come and go thing. It 3742 03:29:30.639 --> 03:29:34.000 defends depends on how involved they get. I see, like 3743 03:29:34.120 --> 03:29:36.680 if they actually get involved in like a skirmish or 3744 03:29:36.719 --> 03:29:38.280 something like that. Why do I have the feeling I've 3745 03:29:38.360 --> 03:29:42.920 seen Mark Wahlberg like a in a w ring, like 3746 03:29:43.159 --> 03:29:45.399 me too, fighting somebody. I don't know why I feel 3747 03:29:45.399 --> 03:29:48.680 that way about fighting, but definitely like acting tough backstage right, 3748 03:29:50.360 --> 03:29:52.319 I would think it would be in that era. It 3749 03:29:52.479 --> 03:29:54.920 just depends on how It just depends on how involved 3750 03:29:54.920 --> 03:30:02.680 they are, because you know, some of them no, no, no, 3751 03:30:03.000 --> 03:30:05.239 some of them some of them know because they don't 3752 03:30:05.600 --> 03:30:08.319 really care. They kind of like the fact that it 3753 03:30:08.399 --> 03:30:11.000 looks exactly like John Cena. I mean, I know they 3754 03:30:11.040 --> 03:30:15.520 could be brothers. Seriously and on GoldenEye to Mina. You know, 3755 03:30:15.719 --> 03:30:19.959 WWE's Tamena, Jimmy Snook's daughter claims, seemingly in earnest on 3756 03:30:20.040 --> 03:30:22.319 an episode of Xavier Woods YouTube video game channel from 3757 03:30:22.360 --> 03:30:24.639 nine years ago, that she went into labor while playing 3758 03:30:24.680 --> 03:30:29.639 GoldenEye sixty four. Yeah, no, no, good, good, nice. Those 3759 03:30:29.639 --> 03:30:31.760 are unique ones. I appreciate it. I do appreciate that, 3760 03:30:32.559 --> 03:30:34.120 but you know, we gotta find a way to get that. 3761 03:30:34.159 --> 03:30:37.799 The padded, Absolutely, the podded. Jennifer Guessel. We want to 3762 03:30:37.799 --> 03:30:41.000 thank you very much for your pledge. Andrew says Polsky, 3763 03:30:41.079 --> 03:30:48.600 call off Kowalski and Pantera the four borschmen. I don't disagree, Bruno, 3764 03:30:48.680 --> 03:30:50.639 thanks very much for the pledge. I think we shouted 3765 03:30:50.680 --> 03:30:54.000 you out earlier, but what's what's the difference? Medio Drive, 3766 03:30:54.040 --> 03:30:55.760 I want to thank you very much for joining the 3767 03:30:55.799 --> 03:30:59.200 executive producer to here nicely. Don Daniel Beasley jumping up 3768 03:30:59.639 --> 03:31:02.280 to that E P tr L T I d C. 3769 03:31:02.440 --> 03:31:05.479 Thank you very much for your generous pledge. Okmar jav Ed, 3770 03:31:05.520 --> 03:31:09.200 thank you very much for boosting your contribution to the 3771 03:31:09.239 --> 03:31:12.680 coffer is. Adam Osborne, thank you very much for lifting 3772 03:31:12.799 --> 03:31:16.000 us up with your renumeration. Ryan writes to us, I 3773 03:31:16.040 --> 03:31:18.040 think Sid was really met up. He named his son 3774 03:31:18.079 --> 03:31:32.680 Frank right after Vienna's. They're Frank's franken beans. He writes, 3775 03:31:32.719 --> 03:31:35.479 nothing says intimidating like a man named Frank vishes. So 3776 03:31:35.840 --> 03:31:39.440 he's really even like he's like he's like, you know, 3777 03:31:41.239 --> 03:31:43.159 when he when he gets upset at Frank for not 3778 03:31:43.239 --> 03:31:45.479 delivering the Vienna's, he's basically saying, why aren't you taking 3779 03:31:45.479 --> 03:31:50.520 care of your brothers? You know, go to Frank ki 3780 03:31:50.680 --> 03:31:53.319 the fucking Vienna's. It's like, why aren't you taking care 3781 03:31:53.319 --> 03:31:56.120 of your driving, your driving your your siblings to school? 3782 03:31:56.239 --> 03:32:04.479 The correct question, Corey Barnett, thanks for the pledge. James writes, 3783 03:32:04.639 --> 03:32:06.440 I snp seen his entrance into the match with the 3784 03:32:06.479 --> 03:32:08.600 watch along, and this is why I put down that scratch. 3785 03:32:08.639 --> 03:32:10.959 Every month, Boz, it pays to be part of those 3786 03:32:11.040 --> 03:32:14.040 premium live calls. That's all I think that's coming across. 3787 03:32:14.879 --> 03:32:17.520 That's huge, Zach Wright. Huge. One of the reasons I 3788 03:32:17.520 --> 03:32:19.360 can't watch wrestling anymore is the fans trying to be 3789 03:32:19.399 --> 03:32:21.239 a part of the show and acting like they've been 3790 03:32:21.280 --> 03:32:24.840 trained to act, making fake dramatic faces and reactions, which 3791 03:32:24.879 --> 03:32:26.879 we know is fake because I watch wrestling from all 3792 03:32:26.920 --> 03:32:29.680 the eighties and nineties without anyone looking like these fools. 3793 03:32:30.239 --> 03:32:33.000 Wrestling's fake and these people are fakeer than fake. I 3794 03:32:33.000 --> 03:32:35.479 think he nails it. He says they watch movies like YouTube, 3795 03:32:35.520 --> 03:32:39.239 people recording their reactions. Mmmm, you know what I mean. 3796 03:32:39.399 --> 03:32:41.159 It's true. We don't see you know, we just watched 3797 03:32:41.200 --> 03:32:45.520 the fucking European rampage. Nobody's nobody's got the camera in 3798 03:32:45.600 --> 03:32:50.360 mind when they're reacting with absolute jubilation to what's happening exactly. 3799 03:32:51.520 --> 03:32:53.840 Marty f thanks very much for your pledge. A Panda, 3800 03:32:53.959 --> 03:32:55.680 thank you very much, and we'll come in. Ben Ounsley 3801 03:32:55.760 --> 03:32:57.879 could see you, my friend. Thanks for the pledge. Jack Tracy, 3802 03:32:58.000 --> 03:33:02.600 thanks for the increased denomination. Ethan Allen, thank you very 3803 03:33:02.680 --> 03:33:06.479 much for the cake the old friend pav Wrestling gives. 3804 03:33:06.520 --> 03:33:08.879 Want to thank you very much for getting back into 3805 03:33:08.959 --> 03:33:11.239 the circle and for the support. Ronnie Cathy, thank you 3806 03:33:11.360 --> 03:33:14.200 very much for your generous donation. Jesse Harrison, thank you 3807 03:33:14.319 --> 03:33:16.159 very much for joining us on Patreon. Same to you, 3808 03:33:16.280 --> 03:33:19.120 Ali Scott Studdy, always a rock solid supporter. Thanks for 3809 03:33:19.159 --> 03:33:22.200 your recent increase. Evan Grenado, thank you very much for 3810 03:33:22.319 --> 03:33:25.000 the cake. We appreciate it. Christopher Blow. Great to have you. 3811 03:33:25.079 --> 03:33:28.280 Morgan Cameron, thanks very much for the cake. Darren Hughes, 3812 03:33:28.319 --> 03:33:29.799 I want to thank you very much for your pledge 3813 03:33:29.840 --> 03:33:33.159 on Patreon. Same to you, Nicholas Chippara and budakan Ace 3814 03:33:33.239 --> 03:33:36.600 who also came through Strong Thomas d had to elevate 3815 03:33:36.799 --> 03:33:39.399 that pledge. He had to qualify himself for VIP treatment. 3816 03:33:40.000 --> 03:33:43.280 Mister fake entertainment too rites. According to Wikipedia, Haystax Calhoun 3817 03:33:43.760 --> 03:33:46.360 was confined to a double wide trailer. I picture an 3818 03:33:46.399 --> 03:33:49.040 old brown and flower print couch, warned to Hell that 3819 03:33:49.120 --> 03:33:53.680 he never moved from Gilbert Grape's mom style. You picture 3820 03:33:53.719 --> 03:33:57.559 the same. Yeah, I guess so sure. I enjoy that. 3821 03:33:57.680 --> 03:34:02.680 I enjoy the Yeah. That's funny, right, funny to think 3822 03:34:03.239 --> 03:34:05.959 that's a movie. That's a movie, definitely, Haystacks callown movies 3823 03:34:06.000 --> 03:34:08.639 definitely a thing and our own. Haystacks writes The boss 3824 03:34:08.680 --> 03:34:11.959 Man deserves a sag Award for his lynch impersonation and 3825 03:34:12.079 --> 03:34:15.319 has discussed previously. Humans require boundaries in order to thrive, 3826 03:34:15.440 --> 03:34:19.040 he writes, but humans also have a need to press 3827 03:34:19.079 --> 03:34:22.000 against those boundaries so that they can expand their fields 3828 03:34:22.200 --> 03:34:25.879 of exploration, and that's precisely what's happening here, he writes 3829 03:34:25.959 --> 03:34:29.360 in the Lynch tribute. This is the pinnacle, he says 3830 03:34:29.639 --> 03:34:35.600 of UTC thus far, Wow, no slink acclaim, and hall 3831 03:34:35.680 --> 03:34:37.799 Cogan follows it up with while it's a shame that 3832 03:34:37.920 --> 03:34:40.239 it took his death to get here, I absolutely cherish 3833 03:34:40.440 --> 03:34:42.000 lapsed David Lynch