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Speaker 2: you and damn nation is the co chairs deciding your worthiness. Indeed,
Speaker 2: and here we are once again as we turn to
Speaker 2: the mail bag in such a way Boss that I
Speaker 2: have you know at this point it's getting so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because you know, the Sports
Speaker 2: Podcast Award organization named a wrestling Podcast of the Year
Speaker 2: thanks in part to those great fans we referenced. I
Speaker 2: don't probably, probably because you're the folks advice just had
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that, you know, we're going to do unheard
Speaker 2: properly for the next season of Dark Side of the Ring.
Speaker 2: We've got to get your co chairs in studio. Yep.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's live calls of things like
Speaker 2: the World Rumble and Elimination Chamber this year that we're
Speaker 2: also newsworthy and people just need the co chairs reactions.
Speaker 2: You know, if you hang on, if you hang on
Speaker 2: our reactions, then you tell me what the power dynamic is.
Speaker 2: And there's need, there's desire, There is no problem ah,
Speaker 2: I think that's all correct. I think that's a wise
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Speaker 2: made it a practice of doing, when things get a
Speaker 2: little too backed up in the mailroom, we take the
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Speaker 2: all this possible, that fuel the engine. It's like, it's
Speaker 2: like miracle on thirty fourth Street, it really is. They
Speaker 2: dump it right in the judge's desk there. I love
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Speaker 2: fortunate that we have the smartest fans in podcasting. They
Speaker 2: send us the most hilarious, thoughtful, and sightful correspondences and
Speaker 2: oftentimes well written oftentimes, and it makes for very It
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Speaker 2: Going on our eleventh year, if you can believe it,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel it, starting to feel it on
Speaker 2: our own right. It takes longer to recover, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Definitely, there's
Speaker 2: some significant pain. And we do the pain because you
Speaker 2: make it worth it, and the second you don't make
Speaker 2: it worth it, the pain stops and you never hear
Speaker 2: from us again a while it continues to be worth
Speaker 2: it your co chairs take to the airwaves. And like
Speaker 2: I said, it's getting so crazy that we might have
Speaker 2: to start instituting a more regular clip of these feedback
Speaker 2: episodes because they're just too money. There's just too many
Speaker 2: iconic moments that have sprouted up organically organic phenomenon if
Speaker 2: you will, as oh yes, organic phenomenon as yodaful. We've
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Speaker 2: to our most recent event, WWF European Rampage again in
Speaker 2: Germany in nineteen ninety two, and my god, and people
Speaker 2: find things to say about that one I would hope
Speaker 2: so rumbles World War three so much to get to
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Speaker 2: we see fit. And I don't even know where to
Speaker 2: start here. I mean, were going to start with the
Speaker 2: most recent stuff that we received in response to the
Speaker 2: forementioned Germany show. But there are some housekeeping matters that
Speaker 2: we ought to you take this time to address to folks.
Speaker 2: They definitely need to be reminded that pro wrestling teas
Speaker 2: and chop teas, oh yes, remain on fire, oh yes,
Speaker 2: and remain very active and as you might be plotting
Speaker 2: your own on the ground WrestleMania experience this year, wouldn't
Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt at all to fly the lapsed flag and
Speaker 2: let let folks know who do know that you get
Speaker 2: it that you're a fan. Listen, listen. There's no greater feeling. Okay,
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Speaker 2: and not that's it. That's all you need, That's all
Speaker 2: I need, right And it's fantastic. It is a fantastic thing.
Speaker 2: So especially especially since we're not going to be on
Speaker 2: the ground this year, that we need people to uh
Speaker 2: we need to share those. Take photos. If you weren't
Speaker 2: into each other, take photos, put them on the Twitter thing,
Speaker 2: email us. I want to see it. I want to
Speaker 2: see I want to see the solar system collide. Yes,
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas now more than ever, Now, more than ever,
Speaker 2: power of the solar system needs to be made manifest.
Speaker 2: And of course we're heading into WrestleMania ourselves, planning of
Speaker 2: course that premium live call in a way that we
Speaker 2: haven't done for years for WrestleMania. So a long time, yes,
Speaker 2: and a lot I mean since uh, I mean certainly
Speaker 2: since COVID. I think COVID was the first time. Well
Speaker 2: they did now, they did the they did the Cody
Speaker 2: seth rollins Mania. We weren't at where Cody came back.
Speaker 2: That was like three years ago. Wait, so that was
Speaker 2: definitely post COVID. Okay, all right, that would have been
Speaker 2: the one where Austin stun Vince one last time. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Oh that was in Texas, right, that was the yeah,
Speaker 2: because they went back to Texas for some fucking reason.
Speaker 2: Right the rest? Goddamn, is this the third time they bet? No, No,
Speaker 2: this is Vegas. I'm thinking of fucking New Orleans. Are
Speaker 2: they going to New Orleans again? Yeah, they're going to
Speaker 2: New Orleans next year. So stupid three years like time,
Speaker 2: they're really testing, like the the novelty of Mania when
Speaker 2: it's becoming very clear that it just goes to whoever
Speaker 2: pays top dollar, and look, all the power to them
Speaker 2: if that's the strategy that they're obliged to pursue as
Speaker 2: a publicly traded company. But I'm not obliged to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I'm not obliged to feign enthusiasm. No, I'm good, right,
Speaker 2: that's right. I mean I'm in a Vegas plenty of times, folks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was kind of it. I mean, Vegas and Easter
Speaker 2: just kind of ohh, that's coming up more and more.
Speaker 2: I think people are starting to really put the pieces together, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a tough ask, it's a tough ask, and come
Speaker 2: to find out, I think it was a I think
Speaker 2: Meltzer even said that they actually are going because it's Easter,
Speaker 2: and Vegas is paying them because it's typically such a
Speaker 2: slow weekend and that's why the money's on the table
Speaker 2: to attract them in the first place. Right. So you know,
Speaker 2: if there's one if there's one group of fans of
Speaker 2: something that you can count on to see, I can
Speaker 2: I can see uh, I can see a bunch of
Speaker 2: like you know, you know, uh, casino owners who are
Speaker 2: like they want to come you know that's fine. You know,
Speaker 2: they want to come, they want to come into Vegas grade.
Speaker 2: You know what we could do, Yeah, you know we
Speaker 2: could do you know what if we tell them to
Speaker 2: come went east and weekend, you know that weekend there's
Speaker 2: always so fucking bullshit, no ways here for that. We
Speaker 2: have to do it. Then, you know, then if they
Speaker 2: fucking fail, it's no big loss on us. You know,
Speaker 2: we didn't do anything wrong. Yes, it was a hobday weekend.
Speaker 2: If it's a big it's a big deal. You know,
Speaker 2: if it's a success, then we get a fucking you know,
Speaker 2: we get fucking people like you know, chugging the quarters
Speaker 2: down on fucking throats, see the vision? What is wrong
Speaker 2: with you? And then uh, they'll you think the talents
Speaker 2: kids will get Easter baskets delivered to their hotels. Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 2: like trips will see yeah yeah, yeah, be kind of
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of Cadbury eggs all over the place. Well,
Speaker 2: you know they call it Cody Burry eggs, so they
Speaker 2: are well, we'll certainly be sated with Uh. Actually maybe
Speaker 2: they're burying Cody twos. That might actually be very it
Speaker 2: needs to be seen. They're certainly working on John Cena
Speaker 2: brother as we'll get to but yeah, we'll be sated
Speaker 2: with Pirogi and fucking uh kill Boss up by the
Speaker 2: time Night two rolls around. Absolutely, this is uh absolutely
Speaker 2: now more than ever a Patreon dot com slash, the
Speaker 2: lapsed fan, the way to justify existence, the way to
Speaker 2: uh get get plugged into the main line, if you will,
Speaker 2: the main line that cast, and of course add free
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Speaker 2: for your Patreon dollar as well. But this WrestleMania season,
Speaker 2: it is in fact the place to be, and they're
Speaker 2: ramping up Saturday Night's main events, which will be covering
Speaker 2: It's gonna be very very busy and in a very
Speaker 2: very good way. But again, uh, Pro Wrestling teas that
Speaker 2: the store is Choco Block. Uh there's a Twin Peaks show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got well, we've got a bunch of Twin Peaks shirts.
Speaker 2: Actually we've got well, there are two actually the bunch
Speaker 2: are too. They're the Lapsed Peaks shirt. And then there's
Speaker 2: also welcome to what we Do shirt on there, which
Speaker 2: is great with the Twin Peaks with actually, well for
Speaker 2: those of us, for those who have a keen eye,
Speaker 2: there are actually three peaks for Triple H Welcome to
Speaker 2: what we do. So there are three peaks. Actually there's
Speaker 2: also a brand new show fight as we go through
Speaker 2: the loose translations of what professional wrestling is from the
Speaker 2: the original German Last time we were with you and uh,
Speaker 2: the Lapse Academy of of of what of arts and science?
Speaker 2: Arts and sciences? Yes, the Lapse Academy of Arts and Sciences.
Speaker 2: So there's that and then love that one. You'll see
Speaker 2: that one on yours truly at some point absolutely is
Speaker 2: my prediction. And uh, then you know down hopefully you
Speaker 2: know they I'll say they haven't. It's it's weird that
Speaker 2: they haven't gotten back to us already. But there is
Speaker 2: a Bavarian Cream Yeah, you know, it was coming shirt.
Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for their approval. I can't imagine it
Speaker 2: wouldn't get approved, but there's there's nothing there that would.
Speaker 2: We've certainly done. Also, we've done more you know, uh
Speaker 2: you know on the nose, yeah, spoof shirts than that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this one is sort of less on the nose and
Speaker 2: more on the lip and chin of Auto Vans. A
Speaker 2: good point. The Barian Cream Auto Vance, which is in
Speaker 2: uh you know it's a it's a play on an
Speaker 2: old Dusty road shirt. Yeah. Yeah, there's an American Dream
Speaker 2: Dusty Road shirt with just something just like that. See,
Speaker 2: I was hoping for that, but I wasn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: remember one. I'm trying to, like think of a time
Speaker 2: he's worn an American Dream shirt to the to the ring,
Speaker 2: and I just couldn't think of it. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he ever wore to the ring, but
Speaker 2: this was one that popped up right away, that kind
Speaker 2: of same design. Yeah, yep, So that's that was That
Speaker 2: was so much fun to get into what it was
Speaker 2: like to be a German wrestling fan. Courtesy of Ben.
Speaker 2: Just another another proof point of what it is that
Speaker 2: we we bring uniquely to the table when we activate
Speaker 2: our collective power and put the collective ahead of the individual.
Speaker 2: You know, That's that's what we stand in testament to.
Speaker 2: And Lindsey Uh was quick to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: if this is, if this is going to be a
Speaker 2: show about UH German wrestling, we got to send hopefully
Speaker 2: can get this to you. We just simply have to
Speaker 2: send a link to this image, which I I find
Speaker 2: myself having a hard time disagreeing with boss. If you
Speaker 2: want to take a look, what are we seeing here?
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's uh, it's Hogan in his
Speaker 2: best October feesh gear. What was that from? That's from
Speaker 2: a I have no fucking ideas when he had because
Speaker 2: I've seen a hundred pictures of him. Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 2: him wear in the stupid outfit before too. It definitely
Speaker 2: looks like you know, early to mid nineties whole Cogan
Speaker 2: staring at Germany tour. I mean he looks like a perf.
Speaker 2: I mean he's also got his hands covering his crotch,
Speaker 2: like like, what are you doing there? Extremely questionable? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's covering his brat, someone wrote. Someone wrote on
Speaker 2: Reddit leader Hogan. Someone wrote, we posted the show dust
Speaker 2: cast fucking straightforward and clear cost So yeah, pro Wrestling
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Speaker 2: should probably be a shirt too. Thanks. Mean, I've been
Speaker 2: saying it enough for God's sakes. I think that's twice
Speaker 2: this episode, if not three times. But of course Dicky
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Speaker 2: really elevating the game. Shout out to everybody who saw
Speaker 2: boss Man rock the Letterman jacket on Unhurt. That's right,
Speaker 2: And you know there's a funny there's a funny story
Speaker 2: there too, because it's it's just a little in the sleeves.
Speaker 2: It's a little snug, well in me in the studio too.
Speaker 2: I mean it's well, not only not only that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's a little Number one is a little snug
Speaker 2: on the arms and number two, you know, that was
Speaker 2: I don't know what was that our I guess was
Speaker 2: our second recording, but it was already hot in the
Speaker 2: studio by that point. And so as soon as and
Speaker 2: I and I was fortunate that I had kind of
Speaker 2: a bird's eye view of the monitors, so I could
Speaker 2: see what was actually you know, what camera was hot, right,
Speaker 2: and so I you know the moment that it was
Speaker 2: it was the two shot of Jack and Evan. I
Speaker 2: immediately started like taking this thing off because it was
Speaker 2: so fucking up. But I'm also trying to be like
Speaker 2: as quiet as possible, but it's not necessarily working that way,
Speaker 2: and the panic is setting in. Let's be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the thing is, I was starting to feel very, very constricted.
Speaker 2: I could feel like I was I was definitely getting
Speaker 2: the claustrophobia, like I was never gonna be able to
Speaker 2: get his fucking jacket off of ever, and so I'm
Speaker 2: like freaking out. But fortunately he didn't get You know,
Speaker 2: the guy was smart enough. Oh he was good en us,
Speaker 2: smart enough. He fucking knew what he was doing. But
Speaker 2: he was he he knew enough to like say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's fucking struggling with the jacket. I'm gonna not go
Speaker 2: to him. Absolutely, yes, And that's not your burden to
Speaker 2: carry because that was a limited run. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: there are many left, but if there are, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you would wear them and much more a prop climbs
Speaker 2: then we found ourselves in. But we just couldn't let
Speaker 2: the opportunity pass to rock that that piece. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is just for sure that we need to get
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Speaker 2: we haven't told them already, I don't think we have.
Speaker 2: Some of the more recent adventures from cameo, Yeah, there was, Well,
Speaker 2: my favorite one was there was a an April Fool's
Speaker 2: joke that someone was going to play on their wife
Speaker 2: and they wanted to be a voicemail of Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 2: you know, basically saying that this guy's wife left his
Speaker 2: after credit card at one of the Hogan beat shops
Speaker 2: and just you know, basically go with it, Yes, and
Speaker 2: you know that's what happens. Why why is why? Brother?
Speaker 2: Why are you leaving a credit card my place? Dude?
Speaker 2: Like what's the deal with that brother? You know, and
Speaker 2: do the whole thing and then yelling at her, yelling
Speaker 2: at well, I mean, because you don't. You don't just
Speaker 2: do that, because you're not trying to send a secret
Speaker 2: signal exactly. There's definitely a problem, there's something wrong, something
Speaker 2: would be read into you. Oh god, it was glorious.
Speaker 2: It worked. I mean, it's great, it was. You couldn't
Speaker 2: tell if it was legit or if it wasn't. Sounds
Speaker 2: like something else I can something else I could mention,
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Speaker 2: friends and families enjoyment. Sometimes the till gets rather full,
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Speaker 2: But do know we're trying to stay faithful to it
Speaker 2: and stay on top of it. But sometimes, bus there's
Speaker 2: just a burst of need on that thing. So it
Speaker 2: comes in such interesting waves. It does, it does. I'm
Speaker 2: always fascinated by how it all plays out. It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: And you want to talk about kind of like a
Speaker 2: virtuous circle, how we put it right back in to
Speaker 2: the cast. I mean Cameo is not just a place
Speaker 2: that you can get us, but Cameo is a place
Speaker 2: where we can get the carnies right and we can
Speaker 2: get them to weigh in and talk about things, and
Speaker 2: it's always great. Not only go ahead. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: you know, because it's funny that we do that. I'm
Speaker 2: actually wondering at the point. You know, I know he
Speaker 2: probably gets God knows how many Kevin Nash gets on
Speaker 2: a regular basis. You know, he probably gets hundreds every day.
Speaker 2: But I do wonder if you know, we've I wonder
Speaker 2: how many ask questions like we do. And I wonder
Speaker 2: if you recognize I mean aways coming from me too,
Speaker 2: you know, it's I always send it from my from
Speaker 2: my like fan cameo account. It's what I do. So
Speaker 2: I wonder if you, like, you know, if he ever
Speaker 2: picks up on it, like, oh, there's the same fucking
Speaker 2: guy again. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it really
Speaker 2: is just function of how many come in. Yeah, right, Eventually,
Speaker 2: eventually someone will blow up our spot, because that's how
Speaker 2: people are. But I mean, I don't think it's blown
Speaker 2: up mainlys. I mean it's not like oh they don't care, No,
Speaker 2: they care, but if yeah, it's uh, I think we're
Speaker 2: not the only ones that do it too, Like it's
Speaker 2: just a it's a great way to get a question
Speaker 2: without having to deal with the actual person, right, And
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're happy to to pocket that money and
Speaker 2: take as long as they feel, like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not like they're they're committing to sit down for two hours,
Speaker 2: you know, the easiest money they've ever made. They love
Speaker 2: it exactly and especially you know the last one and
Speaker 2: asking to get a kick out of it. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: actually enjoy it too. Yeah, you don't know until you
Speaker 2: know if the guy actually is game for the using
Speaker 2: cameo that way. Some have been like, I've never got
Speaker 2: a request like ever Demon Dudley during the Lapsed Funk
Speaker 2: he was no during a No. I don't think we
Speaker 2: engaged them for TNH. It was it was the one
Speaker 2: where during the CID Journey where we got to CID's
Speaker 2: easy w run and we're asking, like why Sid called
Speaker 2: Bubba Prima Donna one time on a shoot interview or
Speaker 2: something you know you could tell you like didn't read
Speaker 2: it before he hit record, and he like came upon
Speaker 2: this question. I love when they do that like it's
Speaker 2: so so funny, screeching hauled. Oh, it's so funny that
Speaker 2: they don't, you know, they just kind of like stumble on,
Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, uh okay, like you know, why don't
Speaker 2: you read it before you press record? Just for your
Speaker 2: own you know protection. But exactly, it's not only you know,
Speaker 2: a resource that you can engage us with. It's not
Speaker 2: only a resource that we can engage the wrestling community with,
Speaker 2: but the solar system writ large can engage folks on
Speaker 2: our behalf as well. You know, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: this would be fun. Let me let me throw this
Speaker 2: to the coach here see what uh gentleman Ax has
Speaker 2: to say. And one of the great one of the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame contributors in that regard has been Zach
Speaker 2: And we most recently did an episode of course, on
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty six WWF Slammy Awards and the wrestling
Speaker 2: album the music album the WWF for released in late
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, featuring all these wrestlers carrying on like
Speaker 2: a bunch of fools, and we noted in the what
Speaker 2: was it called the No No, No, No? What was
Speaker 2: the song, oh Land of one thousand Dances Land of
Speaker 2: a Thousand Dances music video. With all the w W wrestlers,
Speaker 2: we were trying to find people, you know that that
Speaker 2: were perhaps had books or had recollections of being on
Speaker 2: that shoot, and Tito Santana was one of them, but
Speaker 2: we didn't get in touch with him, but Zach reached out.
Speaker 2: Wasn't a huge loss. It wasn't a huge miss on
Speaker 2: our part, come to find out. Never is as Tito
Speaker 2: has a way of putting a postage damp on these
Speaker 2: if you catch my drift, but bless his heart, the
Speaker 2: former Intercontinental champion here courtesy of Zach and this is
Speaker 2: this is the magic, this is w W.
Speaker 5: E just finishing my workout and I've gotta get this in.
Speaker 5: Jack Brother, you asked me, or maybe your buddy Zach Roller.
Speaker 2: Dude, asking me to send it to you.
Speaker 5: Jack. You guys want to know about any recollections I
Speaker 5: have about the stories of filming the WWT record album
Speaker 5: in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, He's well.
Speaker 5: I had never done anything like that, and I the
Speaker 5: only way I could carry a tune is if somebody
Speaker 5: put it in a box and I carry it somewhere.
Speaker 5: I just know that I was not doing a good job,
Speaker 5: and we just kept doing it over and over and over,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure my voice was not coming across.
Speaker 2: Very nice, okay, but it was fun. I knew we
Speaker 2: were doing something different.
Speaker 5: I had no idea where we were headed, but it
Speaker 5: turned out to be a great album and the fans love.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're headed.
Speaker 5: And many, many years later, people like you are still
Speaker 5: talking about it.
Speaker 2: Marks right, Oh my god, it's always this is w
Speaker 2: w E. Hall of Famer. I love to start every time.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like he's reading it. It's like he's reading,
Speaker 2: you know, like like his own introduction, you know, like
Speaker 2: but without with like awful glasses, you know, Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is w w E. Well, at least he does. He
Speaker 2: isn't one of the overchargers on the platform, So that's
Speaker 2: that's uh yeah, that's to his credit. Someone made a
Speaker 2: great suggestion. And at least he doesn't fucking spend spend
Speaker 2: like eight hours going around as fucking office with all
Speaker 2: of his memorabilia like steamboat. Yeah right, you get that,
Speaker 2: no matter the worst and that's not the best. But interestingly,
Speaker 2: someone had posted I thought it was it was a
Speaker 2: great idea. We should just have Tito on every show
Speaker 2: we do, even if he wasn't on it. Oh, that's
Speaker 2: a good idea. Just ask him about it, Just fucking
Speaker 2: say what did you think star K ninety one? Tito?
Speaker 2: Tell us your thoughts about uh, you know e CW
Speaker 2: heat Wave up my ass? Now, I do remember the show,
Speaker 2: but I looked it up and here's what I would say.
Speaker 2: Get a little too close to David Lynch there, But
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Speaker 2: can always count if we trip up and hit a
Speaker 2: point on a show where we're not sure about something,
Speaker 2: or something doesn't make sense, or we we make some
Speaker 2: stupid error, like what is it we called, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: la May we call it the outfit the clothing lame,
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Speaker 2: Someone said that it's like an album about Bailey, you know,
Speaker 2: I'd like you remember we were talking about how the
Speaker 2: hell Carson Schaeffer could claim to have seen Triple H
Speaker 2: backstage at WrestleMania eleven in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: makes no sense, Mike writes. Triple H may have been
Speaker 2: at WrestleMania eleven. He left WCW in January nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: His vignettes ran on WWFTV in April nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 2: which means they would have had to be filmed before then.
Speaker 2: That leaves open the possibility he was with the company
Speaker 2: in March of that year. A little not so fun
Speaker 2: trivia Triple H's first televised match are at April thirtieth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, defeating buck Zoomhoff. Oh that's a fucking
Speaker 2: ugh wow that is That's not a good trivia question.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. Not at all. Recently and under
Speaker 2: the cinnamat we went back to the covid era. Thanks
Speaker 2: we did. I tell people who you know might be
Speaker 2: listening to this on the main feed and are hipped
Speaker 2: utd of the cinemat yet, how it is you brilliantly
Speaker 2: pivoted off of that one of a kind David Lynch
Speaker 2: twin Peaks journey. What do we get ourselves into maybe
Speaker 2: a little lockdown scenario? I mean, yeah, you know, oftentimes
Speaker 2: I like to if I know we're going in a
Speaker 2: certain direction after you know, after if we're going, if
Speaker 2: we're doing some kind of a long journey we're doing
Speaker 2: like a big, big movie, I like to counterbalance it
Speaker 2: with something that is absolutely atrocious and is just some
Speaker 2: of the worst fucking cinema you could possibly imagine. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's not the nicest thing to say,
Speaker 2: but you're you're gonna be in luck with that when
Speaker 2: it comes to Kevin Nash, because a lot of his
Speaker 2: movies are just absolute garbage. And it's kind of funny
Speaker 2: because because he's got so many, like he's a kind
Speaker 2: of a fifty to fifty, you know, record in terms
Speaker 2: of you know, big, good, big movies and crappy small movies.
Speaker 2: It's really a fifty to fifty. So we've been able
Speaker 2: to confirm to the aforementioned Cano channels that he's very
Speaker 2: self aware about what movies he's done that are ship
Speaker 2: and which movies he's done aren't. Necessarily he's one of
Speaker 2: the best ones we've ever gotten, was him commenting for
Speaker 2: this episode on this movie. He called it, Yes, he
Speaker 2: called it a It was like being on a sophomore
Speaker 2: in high school student film COVID nineteen as COVID nineteen Invasion,
Speaker 2: sometimes called lockdown. But man, what a Sometimes sometimes it's
Speaker 2: just you got to go, you know, hey, you know
Speaker 2: you got to have We get to hurt too sometimes
Speaker 2: and I'm okay, with us, with putting us through that.
Speaker 1: He's a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the last fan.
Speaker 1: He's an elapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and.
Speaker 2: We were asking, we were wondering on the episode what
Speaker 2: what uh I s D stood for. We came upon
Speaker 2: some clips somewhere IDU was independent school district thanks to Austin,
Speaker 2: a Texan in his own right. I think it might
Speaker 2: have been in one of the stories. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: good that's a good one. It's his I s D
Speaker 2: often levy good. I s D is often levy property
Speaker 2: taxes and all non exempt property with I know what
Speaker 2: it was, right, the I s D. That was the
Speaker 2: That was because they were selling this school that the
Speaker 2: director of the film wanted to buy because they shot
Speaker 2: in there. They they well, yeah, yeah yeah, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to buy this building to make it a film studio.
Speaker 2: Amazing FU A lot more from that from that, what
Speaker 2: is it? Micah what Micah lyons? Michah lions the director.
Speaker 2: We get to know him quite well on the episode.
Speaker 2: But what's Marshall Texas, by the way, is part of
Speaker 2: what the ISD would be here? Right. In this case,
Speaker 2: he says, does Austin Marshall, Texas. The Marshall is SD
Speaker 2: would be in charge of purchasing and selling the building,
Speaker 2: So that would have been the aforementioned micah Lyons would
Speaker 2: have would have been talking to. But what is Marshall,
Speaker 2: Texas really known for? Austin ads Marshall was known for
Speaker 2: a long time as the patent capital of the US.
Speaker 2: Who knew. Wow, it's interesting by this, I mean it
Speaker 2: was where the majority of patent cases are tried, which
Speaker 2: led to patent trolls purposely trying cases in the US
Speaker 2: Eastern Texas District Court. Here's a good write up about it.
Speaker 2: He lynxius to w a BBC article with perhaps the
Speaker 2: key quote being Marshall became a haven for what's called
Speaker 2: patent trolls, companies that buy up old or vague patents
Speaker 2: as a means to file multiple lawsuits. That's a big
Speaker 2: fucking red, white and blue thumbs up right there. Wow, yep.
Speaker 2: Their goal was to squeeze money out of businesses that
Speaker 2: decide it's easier to pay a small settlement and make
Speaker 2: a case go away rather than fight it out with
Speaker 2: high priced lawyers. So what they're doing is fucking They're
Speaker 2: just buying patents that are out there that no one
Speaker 2: cares about and then trying to find, like trying to
Speaker 2: find a case out there that companies are violating a
Speaker 2: patent that wasn't even there is to begin with, but
Speaker 2: they now own. And it's just like it's just a
Speaker 2: scheme to get people to just cut you quick check.
Speaker 2: Is that whole area just about scamming people? Who knows?
Speaker 2: What the hell Marshall Texas? Why the hell Marshall Texas
Speaker 2: became ground zero for that? But I don't know, Probably not,
Speaker 2: because there's honest people everywhere around there. I mean, because
Speaker 2: you get the I mean, it's no different than the
Speaker 2: scam that Mike Lions is putting up palaw on people.
Speaker 2: In my opinion. It's not fact. It is my opinion,
Speaker 2: just my opinion. I'm just going to make sure that's clear. Absolutely. Pete,
Speaker 2: big shout out to you, thanks for joining the executive
Speaker 2: producer to here to enjoy the afrementioned under the cinemat
Speaker 2: and all the other benefits there too. We talked recently
Speaker 2: about fanfare for the common Man. Didn't we ayes We
Speaker 2: did plays during the aforementioned WAF European Rampage television broadcast
Speaker 2: as it aired in Germany, and Craig, along with several others,
Speaker 2: mentioned to us at the version A fanfare for the
Speaker 2: common Man on that wrestling show is a version done
Speaker 2: by Emerson Lake and Palmer, a legendary progressive rock band.
Speaker 2: That is the version that you hear on the on
Speaker 2: the broadcast. He attaches us to a link of them
Speaker 2: playing in nineteen ninety two, where but the Royal Albert Hall. Boss.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's the Royal Albert Hall in my home
Speaker 2: town a lot in England. MVP status fan Big Steve
Speaker 2: wants you to know that he needs that Bavarian cream
Speaker 2: shirt in the worst way. It's common, common in all
Speaker 2: ways you can imagine. So I'll listen. It's it's it's common.
Speaker 2: As soon as it gets approved, I might have to
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Speaker 2: fuck's my shirt?
Speaker 6: Ah?
Speaker 2: You may you may have remembered noting that Mike McGirk
Speaker 2: has a penchant for saying unhaling from Glenn Falls, New York. Yes,
Speaker 2: not hailing, unhaling or perhaps and haaling, and it sounds
Speaker 2: like unhaling. I mean that's a that's a I mean
Speaker 2: on hailing. That's how you have to say it, because
Speaker 2: it definitely sounds like un like gun, right, it definitely
Speaker 2: sounds like un I mean, you know, I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but it sounds like un to me. And on that point,
Speaker 2: Paul on Patreon makes the brilliant point that Dugan might
Speaker 2: have been unhaling from Glenn's falls, but he and Schiky
Speaker 2: were certainly inhaling. In New Jersey, Bryce bar two, huge
Speaker 2: shout out to you, my friend, for bumping all the
Speaker 2: way up to the moat tier rarefied Air. We understand
Speaker 2: it's it's a high dollar value to pay, but it's
Speaker 2: our It's the rider die t here. It's the folks
Speaker 2: that are, like, you know, not just doing it because
Speaker 2: I get something out of it. It's not just about me,
Speaker 2: me me, me, me me me. I'm doing it because
Speaker 2: you deserve it, not just because what I get for it.
Speaker 2: But we do throw you the extra b of the
Speaker 2: one of a kind experience of getting on the living
Speaker 2: room carpet just like it used to be. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: with mom in the background while you're watching wrestling. Mama sorrow,
Speaker 2: it's wrestle, Mamia. Why don't you tell them, boss, what
Speaker 2: awaits them if they can indeed afford to take that
Speaker 2: Motier plunge. Well, you know we've been on you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's certainly it's WrestleMania season. So right now there
Speaker 2: is a load of WrestleMania themed matches that we lined
Speaker 2: up for my mom to watch, or we I lined
Speaker 2: up for my mom to watch. One of the more
Speaker 2: recent ones was the the WrestleMania two thousand Hardcore Battle Royal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you better watch that. You better watch that. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 2: a fiasco and a half. Yes it is. You know,
Speaker 2: got to get her confused, she enjoys. No, she had
Speaker 2: many questions. I'm sure many questions, and I'm sure you
Speaker 2: know it's been a while, but I I'm sure that
Speaker 2: it ended with her saying, I'm okay, if we never
Speaker 2: see something like that, which, of course, if she only
Speaker 2: knew better, that means we're definitely gonna see shit like
Speaker 2: that again yet duly noted. But usually by the time
Speaker 2: we get there, she's forgotten all about it. It's like
Speaker 2: starting over. Yeah, yeah, because you certainly look, I've seen
Speaker 2: you re explain the same set of rules within the
Speaker 2: same match. Call let alone across different yes, being able
Speaker 2: to remember across different different matches, so always always an
Speaker 2: absolute joy too. And coming up though, I'll say, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be, it'll be. Uh Hogan and Vince from nineteen
Speaker 2: from nineteen, God, what she must think of Vince being
Speaker 2: all bloodied and everything. Oh yeah, well it was. It
Speaker 2: was a trip. It was a fucking trip, for sure,
Speaker 2: Motor David noted on her call episode one thirty five
Speaker 2: of Sergeant Slaughter versus Pat Patterson from nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: At some point she says, quote, this is a bullfight,
Speaker 2: and David writes, Mama Sorrow is far more accurate than
Speaker 2: she intended to be. Could absolutely say that again, my friend.
Speaker 7: Oh God, as we think about the spirit of giving,
Speaker 7: Zach points out on Patreon, you know, I bet it's
Speaker 7: a safe bet that many TLF fans, he says, buy
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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, thinking it through it, I'm like, you
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Speaker 2: eight for your unwrappening needs. Charles writes to us, we
Speaker 2: were talking about Sean versus Savage and just how much
Speaker 2: was left on the table. They never had a program,
Speaker 2: you know, they really just wrestled a handful of matches.
Speaker 2: It's really quite sad. And someone else pointed out, I'll
Speaker 2: shout out the name in a moment. As we were
Speaker 2: fantas sizing about Savage versus Steve Austin In nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: eight and WWF, yes, do you know they did wrestle
Speaker 2: once in WSW No. Ninety five on Saturday Night. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: stunning Steve, long blonde hair, macho man, a relatively fresh
Speaker 2: in the company, and they mixed it up. So if you,
Speaker 2: if you're so inclined, you can find and see and
Speaker 2: sense the dynamic in ring dynamic between Savage and Austin. Now,
Speaker 2: this is hardly stone cold, the stone still stunning. Steve
Speaker 2: is still still phenomenal, phenomenal, It's just not the it's
Speaker 2: not the in ring clash of styles that I think
Speaker 2: you picture when you picture it in attitude. WWF. It's
Speaker 2: a different worker, it's different approach. If you're stunning Steve,
Speaker 2: he's bumping and feeding. I'm thinking of a baby face
Speaker 2: Austin that's got to fend off a psychotic Savage, you know,
Speaker 2: not a neon wearing, slim gym cracking babyface Savage, but
Speaker 2: macho man. Verse HBK was the subject of a lot
Speaker 2: of discussion in terms of how often it happened and
Speaker 2: when I think we ran down definitive listed of course,
Speaker 2: included matches on the nineteen ninety two Post Wrestling the
Speaker 2: eight European tour. Not only the Germany show we talked
Speaker 2: about last time we were with you, but the European
Speaker 2: show that it's say, I sorry the England show as well.
Speaker 2: But Charlie writes, hello co chairs, I was listening to
Speaker 2: your newest episode and my years perked up when I
Speaker 2: heard your reference. A match between Randy Savage and Shawn
Speaker 2: Michaels on July sixth, nineteen ninety three. I think that
Speaker 2: was the last one they did, had a TV taping
Speaker 2: in Wilkesburry, Pennsylvania, my hometown. I happen to have a
Speaker 2: personal connection to this match, even though I was still
Speaker 2: a little more than two years from being born at
Speaker 2: the time. While going through some old family photos a
Speaker 2: few years ago, I found a disposable camera photo of
Speaker 2: the macho man standing on the apron and what looked
Speaker 2: like a high school gym. After some digging on cage match,
Speaker 2: I determined that it must have been taken at the
Speaker 2: TV taping above mentioned Wilkes University Art Center. I assumed
Speaker 2: my uncle, a wrestling fan to the extent that any
Speaker 2: kid in the early eighties nineties, was rather monstev dragged
Speaker 2: my grandfather along and one of the two snapped the photo.
Speaker 2: I'd asked my uncle about it, but unfortunately no one
Speaker 2: has seen or heard from him in a few years.
Speaker 2: If you're curious, The w w returned to the March
Speaker 2: Center three more times, twice at night. Probably'd probably deny
Speaker 2: it happen anyway, you think, Yeah, you know once he wrestling.
Speaker 2: We didn't do that ship. I never going to see
Speaker 2: fake shit. You know, come here, sult me like that again. Hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, give here here, give me fuck shit.
Speaker 2: H Ever ever fucking say I watched watch fake shit again,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't say you watched fake ship. I
Speaker 2: said you watch this man. But there it is. Look
Speaker 2: at that. Imagine finding that one. That's a beautiful, that
Speaker 2: blue pole, Randy and Sherry up on the apron. That's wild.
Speaker 2: And to not even you know, for it to not
Speaker 2: be yours, but to find it in your house and
Speaker 2: to have to decode like where in your family history
Speaker 2: it's from. If you're curious, he writes, The deputy return
Speaker 2: to the mart Center three more times twice in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four. Another Superstars taping and house show not a
Speaker 2: wrestling challenge shaping in nineteen ninety five. Most of the
Speaker 2: matches are what you'd expect from a seat here town,
Speaker 2: like Will Sperry Quang versus Jim Powers a main event
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world. Absolutely, though a Blaze Nakano title
Speaker 2: match cut my eye. I never would have ben I
Speaker 2: would love it. I would love it if like Quang
Speaker 2: versus Jim Power's main event in somehow show oh my,
Speaker 2: like one of those dark matches on and in your
Speaker 2: house after they go off the air. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 2: that's your fucking main event. Like people are gone before
Speaker 2: that fucking Quang. People are gone before they before the
Speaker 2: bell rings ough to begin. Last time I said Kwang
Speaker 2: was when I was trying to mouth the sounds of
Speaker 2: Ken SHAMROCK's entrance thing. It's neither here nor there. I
Speaker 2: may have went anywhere in the world. I never would
Speaker 2: have imagined bull Knock and O of all people he
Speaker 2: writes to have ever set foot in my dumpy little town.
Speaker 2: Apologies for the end solicited history lesson, but it's not
Speaker 2: every day I hear my hometown mentioned on my favorite podcast.
Speaker 2: Thanks for reading, and hope you get a kick out
Speaker 2: of the photo. Well, indeed, we did. We love those
Speaker 2: personal mementos. You know that fans have a unique little
Speaker 2: story about that they can share with us, and that's
Speaker 2: a good one. And you can see the wear on
Speaker 2: the photo, little white dots where it's kind of been
Speaker 2: chipped away at I'd so many of those because you know,
Speaker 2: you brought shitty cameras to wrestling shows you just did,
Speaker 2: and there were shadowy shots from far away from the
Speaker 2: ring and still, you know, why do you think you
Speaker 2: think you're you're getting ah, you think you know, like
Speaker 2: you're taking like sports magazine worthy. Yes, you do photos
Speaker 2: like you think you're going to get actual action shots,
Speaker 2: you know, like you want to get like I try
Speaker 2: to get shots if someone jumping off the top rope
Speaker 2: and they're in mid air and it's like they're just
Speaker 2: a blurry fucking mess, always a mess. It's always always
Speaker 2: pitch black in the background. Yeah, yeah, yep, they're always
Speaker 2: like doing something not athletic when you when you happen
Speaker 2: to snap the photo. But when you're looking through the lens, man,
Speaker 2: it's not like a you know, it's not like a
Speaker 2: camera phone where you essentially see the picture you're going
Speaker 2: to get right on your screen before you capture it.
Speaker 2: You don't know how the lighting is going to react.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're going to end up with.
Speaker 2: You you'd like to think you're going to end up
Speaker 2: with a facsimile of what the naked eye can see
Speaker 2: in the arena and what you can see to the
Speaker 2: viewfinder of the old school camera. But my god, is
Speaker 2: there so many other hoops to jump through inside the
Speaker 2: technology before it spits out to the final the final proof,
Speaker 2: if you will. And that was always nerve wracking, you know,
Speaker 2: going to the pharmacy and getting those photo printouts, because
Speaker 2: it's going to be worth it, or it's going to
Speaker 2: He never knew, you never knew, just way too much
Speaker 2: headroom in every shot, pretending you were front row even
Speaker 2: though you were, you know, in the lower bowl, zooming
Speaker 2: in like crazy, which only focks the picture up more
Speaker 2: yep yep, Bez writes to us, Jack wondered if Brett
Speaker 2: ever won another singles match with the elbow drop, as
Speaker 2: we noted with interest that he beats the Mount Tea
Speaker 2: with the elbow off the middle rope. No, sorry, Dino,
Speaker 2: by the reason I said Mount, You'll see in a second.
Speaker 2: Bez wants us to know, as many other shout out
Speaker 2: to everybody that pointed this out to us that Brett
Speaker 2: did in fact win on the November thirtieth, nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: one Madison Square Gardenhouse Show when he pinned the Mounty
Speaker 2: with that same elbow. Wow, so he was in his
Speaker 2: elbow as a finisher phase. I guess so, pase big
Speaker 2: shout out to you for joining the eptor my friend,
Speaker 2: we want to thank you very much, Joe writes the
Speaker 2: German TLF fan. Not that he needs my validation or
Speaker 2: that he'll let even know, but it has to be said.
Speaker 2: Holy smokes to the German fellow. That's Ben who helped
Speaker 2: with the last two episodes. Guy is fan of the Year,
Speaker 2: Joe writes early odds on Favorite and its description of
Speaker 2: needing to do the research once he began. Just again,
Speaker 2: bravo and add a boy to that. Guy just dropped
Speaker 2: obligated to say something considering the time and effort dude
Speaker 2: put into it all the best. You guys truly are
Speaker 2: the best college podcast around. I agree. Are there college
Speaker 2: podcast awards we can enter too? Oh? We really should
Speaker 2: we should just enter them. Wait wait a minute, how
Speaker 2: old are you guys? You guys in college? How do
Speaker 2: you guys consider yourself a college pop baller? Fans say it,
Speaker 2: listeners say, we're a college podcast all the time. So
Speaker 2: who are we to question? Well, well, what college are you? Guys?
Speaker 2: Affiliated with your mom? Your mom's university? Yeah? Why am
Speaker 2: you what? Yeah? We're we are we go to ym you.
Speaker 2: What's what's why am you your mom's university? I'll tell
Speaker 2: you one thing. I want to want to roll in
Speaker 2: Tom's backyard wrestling Federation. Here's what he remembers. Back in
Speaker 2: the late nineties, My friends and I had a backyard
Speaker 2: wrestling federation, and one of our factions was the condiments.
Speaker 2: We took red, yellow, green, white, and blue book socks
Speaker 2: and wore them as lugit door masks and had ketchup
Speaker 2: as a wrestler, mustard as a wrestler, relish mayonnaise, and
Speaker 2: blue cheese, which was I thought, fucking idiots, he said, seriously,
Speaker 2: it's the dumbest shit ever ketchup versus mayonnaise and a
Speaker 2: fight to the death. Brandon collared, Holler at you, boy,
Speaker 2: and thanks for that ep level tier, my friend. We
Speaker 2: appreciate the cake and the vote of confidence, Adam says,
Speaker 2: of course, Nash booked himself to go over COVID clean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fucking you know, shit, I'm fucking a fucking yeah now
Speaker 2: paying me enough the fucking job to a disease. You're
Speaker 2: talking about covers, cover songs and the art of the cover.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh yes on the episode because the director
Speaker 2: had had done some covers and we sampled those. Williams says,
Speaker 2: Mad World was a great cover. But be careful summoning
Speaker 2: Donnie Darko around those. I know he kind of wants
Speaker 2: it to happen just so he can say that it's
Speaker 2: done and never has to think about it ever again.
Speaker 2: I do, I do want to just get it done.
Speaker 2: William liked Donnie Darko at the time, and Darko and
Speaker 2: Chill served me very well for a time. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Did I see that with you Donny dark Out? Now? Yeah? Good? Oh?
Speaker 2: I good to help people that don't know, it's just
Speaker 2: a fucking it's just a you know, it's just it's
Speaker 2: a film school. It's a film student movie. You know,
Speaker 2: it's that. It's that especially of our generation, like you know,
Speaker 2: you didn't you didn't live, you weren't really a film
Speaker 2: student unless you loved Donnie dark You saw it. You
Speaker 2: had to love it, right, you love it? You had
Speaker 2: to fucking love Donnie Darko and I saw it at
Speaker 2: the Coolidge Corner Theater. It's a good start and I
Speaker 2: loathed it clothed, but it qualifies, and so I feel
Speaker 2: like we need to suffer through it Darko and Schille.
Speaker 2: He says, But the emo cult that sprung up around
Speaker 2: it is awful. Yeah, I wonder how much of Emo
Speaker 2: came from that. I mean, I'm sure it was was
Speaker 2: before then, because I mean, Donny Darko came out like
Speaker 2: while we were in college, right, but it's like two
Speaker 2: thousand and two or something, But it's uh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: but it definitely again it it just again. It's one
Speaker 2: of those movies. It's one of those movies that you
Speaker 2: just if you're a film student, you had to love.
Speaker 2: You weren't allowed to not love it. And I didn't,
Speaker 2: So I guess I was never really a film student. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my takeaway. Austin's back with more Smoke on the
Speaker 2: on the COVID movie, which is shot in Texas, is
Speaker 2: mentioned by Texas guy. Uh. He says, first of all,
Speaker 2: on the cover front, Johnny cash is hurt is another
Speaker 2: cover that is completely different than the original. I agree,
Speaker 2: and it's a wonderful one. So one of the more
Speaker 2: memorable packages they ever did was hurt to Eddie Guerrero
Speaker 2: after he passed away. That's a really I've watched that
Speaker 2: one a million times. It's a really touching matching of
Speaker 2: song to to visuals. There, he says the recurring theme
Speaker 2: great musicians can reinterpret great song successfully. Average musicians should
Speaker 2: refrain from giving us quote unquote their version. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would endorse that. Yeah, yeah, well again, Yeah. What it
Speaker 2: really comes down to is two things is the is
Speaker 2: the artist good enough to uh to cover the song?
Speaker 2: Are they worthy enough to cover the song? And does
Speaker 2: it fit within there that that artist particular style without
Speaker 2: you know, is it a good innovation of the song?
Speaker 2: That's what really counts, right, and you know, if it's
Speaker 2: then you shouldn't do it. We spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time trying to piece together just what was the financing
Speaker 2: behind this film, like why did anybody find it necessary
Speaker 2: to make? What was the deal with the director and
Speaker 2: his history? And eventually we landed on it's probably like
Speaker 2: a Bible adjacent enterprise and new when sure enough, when
Speaker 2: we sat down to watch the COVID nineteen movie COVID
Speaker 2: nineteen Invasion. There's like a gratuitous Bible scene right in
Speaker 2: the middle of it, where guy's reading the Bible in bed,
Speaker 2: and it's like focused. It's a very subtle way of
Speaker 2: kind of making it all about God, which doesn't disqualify anything.
Speaker 2: It's just you can very easily be fooled into thinking that,
Speaker 2: like this was financed because someone thought it was going
Speaker 2: to be a terrific action movie, but actually it's sort
Speaker 2: of a trojan horse for some of that messaging to
Speaker 2: get out there. It always is. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: the Preston would Baptist Church factored in quite a bit,
Speaker 2: didn't it. Yes, Yes, that's what I mean. That's the presumption.
Speaker 2: We don't know for sure. Perception rights, it's the not
Speaker 2: all the dots connected, but a lot of the dots
Speaker 2: were aiming towards that that direction. And Austin says, I
Speaker 2: grew up minutes away from that church and knew many
Speaker 2: kids that went to their high school. My favorite nickname
Speaker 2: used around town for their very large worship hall was
Speaker 2: six Flags over Jesus. It is definitely in the vein
Speaker 2: of churches. The creators of the righteous Gemstones would have
Speaker 2: had in mind, and he says, growing up in Texas,
Speaker 2: I can spot a televangelist altright grifter when I see one,
Speaker 2: and our boy fits that vibe to a t with
Speaker 2: his with his perspective on the things, Steve the homie
Speaker 2: out in Ireland. We were talking about how wrestling in
Speaker 2: Germany was called catch and how you know, yes, catch
Speaker 2: up and catching and all that. Yes, Steve says that
Speaker 2: his supervisor and work is French and also refers to
Speaker 2: wrestling as z catch, yes, the catch ze catch, as
Speaker 2: well as being very dismaded in how many French Canadians
Speaker 2: work or worked in WW as they are Yankees with
Speaker 2: shit French. That's exactly shit, nothing more European than using
Speaker 2: shit as an adjective. You know, it's shit, oh shit.
Speaker 2: And he also says that Bruce Pritchard's in his podcast
Speaker 2: there's definitely something more personal to Randy never coming back
Speaker 2: to w B. Well, we can speculate on that all day,
Speaker 2: but that's of course the that's of course a subject
Speaker 2: of discussion on that episode as well. When discussing what
Speaker 2: could have been with Randy and Austin, Randy and Sean,
Speaker 2: you know in these programs that we never got to taste.
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Speaker 2: Jorome also backs up that Bretthart used the elbow drop
Speaker 2: as a bee finisher because he's seen footage of him
Speaker 2: beating Moundie with it at MSG, and he says the
Speaker 2: episode that we did were, of course Shawn Michael shines
Speaker 2: with Sherry in his corner against Randy Savage, which led
Speaker 2: to the second straight episode of US going off on
Speaker 2: how incredible Sherry was and how much how pathetic it
Speaker 2: is if you don't realize that you know, or how
Speaker 2: sad of a state of affairs, it is if she's
Speaker 2: kind of forgotten, which I'm kind of afraid she is
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit. Yeah, I mean he's definitely not.
Speaker 2: She doesn't she's not on the on the Mount Rushmore,
Speaker 2: she's not on the pave the way, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Speech that the women's evolution era and all that they
Speaker 2: don't talk about her enough at all. Really, and Jerome writes,
Speaker 2: I think rather preciently, this episode really illuminates just how
Speaker 2: lucky both Shawn Michael's and Triple H were at having
Speaker 2: the right women in their careers. Yeah, no shit, Sherry,
Speaker 2: he says, was a huge part of hbka's early presentation.
Speaker 2: And China definitely boosted Hunter and ninety seven. And Stephanie
Speaker 2: was the final piece in Hunter getting into being seen
Speaker 2: as a true main eventor Yep, that's absolutely true. They
Speaker 2: have well, Triple H has Mick Foley, China and Stephanie
Speaker 2: to think for where he is yep, ye without them,
Speaker 2: he is not anywhere close to where he is in
Speaker 2: my personal opinion. Matthew writes to us he's loving this
Speaker 2: episode the Germany one as a fan from England who
Speaker 2: got his first taste of WCW weekly in the mid
Speaker 2: nineties from an unexpected source when cable TV first came
Speaker 2: New Yorkshire and one of the channels on offer, bizarrely
Speaker 2: it was a German sports channel called DSF. My ITV
Speaker 2: Region I TV is independent television there in the UK
Speaker 2: never showed WCW in the early nineties, so I'd missed
Speaker 2: out on that. Then one day, flipping through the cable
Speaker 2: channels in nineteen ninety five, I found it WCW. I
Speaker 2: quickly worked out the timeslots and never looked back. Like JP,
Speaker 2: I had been deprived of the Hogan Hey days as
Speaker 2: my fandom started in nineteen ninety one two, So while
Speaker 2: WCW audiences were pushing against Holkamania, I was happy to
Speaker 2: be finally getting to see a Hulk run on a
Speaker 2: weekly basis. So you can imagine how annoying it was
Speaker 2: for me when he turned heel By or around the
Speaker 2: time of the turn, TNTUK had picked up Nitro, so
Speaker 2: I no longer had to rely on DSF for WCW programming.
Speaker 2: It is a real nostalgie trip for me, though, remembering
Speaker 2: having to navigate a wrestling product in a different language.
Speaker 2: I kept the VHS tapes for years of events I
Speaker 2: had got from DSF uncensored ninety five, Starkad ninety five,
Speaker 2: Clash of the Champions thirty two, Super Brawl six and others.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until the UK got the WW network in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen that I finally got to watch these events
Speaker 2: with English commentary. Imagine that you have these shows and
Speaker 2: it's an in language you don't speak, and you still
Speaker 2: watch it. That says something about pro wrestling right there. Yep, yep,
Speaker 2: you gotta still watch it, and without the interview segments
Speaker 2: being dubbed over. You think some WCW storylines were hard
Speaker 2: to follow at times, try following them with the commentator
Speaker 2: speaking a language you don't understand. Ah. Later I managed
Speaker 2: to get WW from DSF two, which is great because
Speaker 2: I didn't have Sky Sports, but I could pick up
Speaker 2: raw and the pay per views from DSF for a while.
Speaker 2: So for this English wrestling fan, this background in German
Speaker 2: wrestling on TV has more significance than you think. Thank
Speaker 2: you well, Thank you pal Glad to provide the service
Speaker 2: and Glad Ben Soffitt to put in all the work
Speaker 2: that he did. It's I'm just fascinated we talked about it,
Speaker 2: like the whole idea of what these wrestlers were doing
Speaker 2: in the Hasbro era and the Glube era. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Well we were just kids in America and that was
Speaker 2: the extent of our visibility into this thing. And these
Speaker 2: guys are going to Japan, they're going to England, they're
Speaker 2: going to Germany, they're going to Italy, and they're only
Speaker 2: going there. They're all over television in those countries and
Speaker 2: it's like the fucking biggest event wrestling fans in those
Speaker 2: countries had ever seen. They're flocking to it. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we had no fucking clue back on Home Turf. It's just,
Speaker 2: I know, it is it's I mean, I know you
Speaker 2: kind of kept things a little quiet because you didn't
Speaker 2: want to. You know, you could kind of get away
Speaker 2: with doing stuff overseas that you didn't need to explain
Speaker 2: on American TV. But it is a shame they never
Speaker 2: really kind of talked about it and celebrated more of
Speaker 2: the overseas stuff. Yeah, it was kind of there's sort
Speaker 2: of such a lag back then. It's like, we talked
Speaker 2: about this because you were presenting the matches as they
Speaker 2: aired from the Germany shows on primetime. Yes, and it's
Speaker 2: not like they shied away from saying it was in
Speaker 2: Germany when they aired them. But we're talking months and
Speaker 2: months later, and also scattered about not on the same show,
Speaker 2: not even some on regular TV, some on Cossum Video, right,
Speaker 2: So it's by that point it's like kind of weird
Speaker 2: to make a big hullabaloo over a show that's now
Speaker 2: three four months old. You know, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: just matches presented from many different locations. That was just
Speaker 2: what the way they chose to present it. I think
Speaker 2: they were sort of bashful about the fact that some
Speaker 2: of them are so stale, and some of these matches, yeah,
Speaker 2: weren't necessarily fresh in that way. It's a fan.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
Speaker 1: their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's a lapsed fan
Speaker 1: wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro.
Speaker 2: We talked about how Papa Shanko came to the ring
Speaker 2: on that episode with a smoking skull, and Philip puts
Speaker 2: it beautifully. He says, you have opened my eyes stone cold.
Speaker 2: Steve Austin truly was the second coming of Papa Shanka.
Speaker 2: I don't think we spent enough time talking about that. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean listen, he's the two smoking skulls. You know,
Speaker 2: Papa Shango the second coming of Stone Steve Austin, and
Speaker 2: you know, uh uh Steve Austin the first the second. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like coming up, Papa Shanko. I agree ya first,
Speaker 2: I mean double second. Second there it's amazing that it's
Speaker 2: really amazing that that Stone Cold Steve Austin is at
Speaker 2: the at the very least the third coming of Stone
Speaker 2: Cold Steve Austin. That's funny. That's the best part.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm always like thinking, like, what if we ever got
Speaker 2: ten minutes with this wrestler, what's the one most lapsed question?
Speaker 2: We could ask them, you know, And for Steve Austin,
Speaker 2: it probably would be like, do you because Papa Shango
Speaker 2: came to the ring first with the smoking skull, do
Speaker 2: you think he was the first coming of Stone Cold
Speaker 2: Steve Austin? You no, no, you got to do it.
Speaker 2: So Steve, here's the thing. So we're just curious. So
Speaker 2: do you think because the Warlord was a bald wrestler
Speaker 2: with a goatee who wore black trunks, that he was
Speaker 2: the first coming of Stone? Calls ee of Austin. And
Speaker 2: before you answer that one, do you think because Papa
Speaker 2: Shank came down and he was bald with a smoking skull,
Speaker 2: that he was the second coming of Stone GOLs dv
Speaker 2: Austin and you were the third. I love what you said.
Speaker 2: And before you answer that one, that was money, it's
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? How do you feel
Speaker 2: that you're not the original? Stone calls Divasus r I
Speaker 2: fucking question right there. We talked on the episode about
Speaker 2: a European rampage for the Commodore sixty four. Yes, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: the PC gaming system back then, one of those RAREBIA
Speaker 2: releases that weren't on a regular gaming console. Phil wants
Speaker 2: us to know that he had wwa European RAMPI wow
Speaker 2: on my Commodore sixty four. It was ridiculously shit. The
Speaker 2: C sixty four version was one on one rather than
Speaker 2: tag teams, but the roster was the same, with just
Speaker 2: one of the tag teams available to be your opponent,
Speaker 2: and the choices were odd. Typhoon from the Natural Disasters.
Speaker 2: You could play as irs for money Ink Jerry Sacksual
Speaker 2: Nasty Boys an animal from the Legion of Doom doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like much all thought was put into the that's
Speaker 2: awful playability part of it, That's dreadful. Neil has come
Speaker 2: to an interesting realization after the episode. A decade of
Speaker 2: TLF has taught me one unshakable lesson. Unless Brett Hart
Speaker 2: is committing adultery against Julie Sex is not nearly as good.
Speaker 2: And he also asks, is Brett Heart the David Hasselhoff
Speaker 2: of wrestling? The Berlin wall goes down and it all
Speaker 2: changes for these two guys. It's it's you know, it
Speaker 2: seems like it. You know, I think I think Brett
Speaker 2: and David Hasselhoff should do a tour of Germany together.
Speaker 2: I mean over in Germany. It's a thing and they
Speaker 2: had it's similar, it's similar, and that like there's this
Speaker 2: like completely inexplicable popularity in Germany when they were on
Speaker 2: television and equal measure and a whole lot of other
Speaker 2: European countries as well, but Germany was the one that
Speaker 2: saw this, this particular look, this particular body, this do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? This particular essence is very appealing.
Speaker 2: So yes, ridiculous breettheart. A lot of things have been
Speaker 2: said about Brett and all of them true, but the
Speaker 2: David Hasselhoff of wrestling. I think we and Neil brought
Speaker 2: that one uniquely to the table, and I like the
Speaker 2: sounds of it. Carlo wants us to know that unt
Speaker 2: as we were talking about, means and schlogen, which we
Speaker 2: heard a hundred times, means to hit or to strike.
Speaker 2: So it makes sense you'd hear that on a wrestling call,
Speaker 2: and whiter equals further Okay, so und whiter schlogen means
Speaker 2: to continue beating. Wow, going to zip tide one guy
Speaker 2: while he busts open the other guy. Whiter schlogen. Okay.
Speaker 2: We were learning here slow, but surely we appreciate it.
Speaker 2: To keep that one going. Und I love und is
Speaker 2: one of my face maybe my favorite German word. And
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it's it's it's so unmistakably because because
Speaker 2: like especially when you when you when you kind of
Speaker 2: just uh uh, you know, throw it in regular uh language.
Speaker 2: It's like you say, here are the natural disasters, earthquake,
Speaker 2: ound typhoon and big shout out to to the uh
Speaker 2: to the homie who goes by that piece of shithole
Speaker 2: Cogan on Patreon. Yeah, he says that the title of
Speaker 2: this show, The Germany show sounds like it was created
Speaker 2: by Bill Mercer. Rest in Peace, By the way, Rest
Speaker 2: in Peace? Did you did you think about making a call?
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, well, I didn't even know
Speaker 2: until someone. I forget how I found out. I think
Speaker 2: maybe even you it was like it was weird. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a call. He might have deserved a call. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2: There were ones. Here's the thing. There are ones where
Speaker 2: it's there's no dispute. You know, you absolutely it's a
Speaker 2: call like when Dusty died, like or when Roddy Piper died,
Speaker 2: or when Gene Okerlan died. I mean you have to
Speaker 2: call on those guys. Mercer, I mean probably should have
Speaker 2: been a call, but yeah, it wasn't. The call is
Speaker 2: more there goes your childhood. It's not there goes someone
Speaker 2: that we learned to appreciate thirty years after he did
Speaker 2: he did his thing. You know, it's like we grew
Speaker 2: up on world class. Then then then it's a call. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so I think that was kind of where
Speaker 2: I came down on it. But but interesting, him and
Speaker 2: China are the edge cases. Like do we call on China?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, yeah, we didn't. I feel yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean And also China died in the middle of us
Speaker 2: doing something. We were doing something that can be a
Speaker 2: factor too, like what circumstance do we find ourselves in
Speaker 2: the moment we hear? Right, but yeah, that's something for
Speaker 2: the Moat Tier. We do try to share is when
Speaker 2: we do get get our act together and do the call,
Speaker 2: we try to record them now and share them exclusively
Speaker 2: with the Moat Tiers. There's some there's word of us
Speaker 2: sharing deaths. I remember one of the fans said, I
Speaker 2: found out about the last three wrestling desks from LAPS
Speaker 2: fans Patreon before use. That's how LAPS some of our
Speaker 2: listeners are that they're not glued to Twitter all day.
Speaker 2: They are not, which is a wonderful thing. And if
Speaker 2: you know, also, my dad will, my dad will. If
Speaker 2: he crosses my dad's path, he'll always send me an
Speaker 2: email or a text, yeah saying I sang my condolences.
Speaker 2: He can. He gave me condolences on Sydney, didn't he?
Speaker 2: Uh No, I think I told him about Sydney, but
Speaker 2: he gave me condolences on Like Paul bearer. Okay, sure,
Speaker 2: it's so funny, but I think he gave it. I
Speaker 2: think what was funny about it was that he gave
Speaker 2: it to me like months later. It's like it just
Speaker 2: kind of came across his feed right months after it
Speaker 2: actually happened. He writes, the title of the show sounds
Speaker 2: like it was created by Bill Mercer, WWF German European
Speaker 2: Christmas Star Wars, Cotton Bowld, David Carrie, Chris Mike's Suicide
Speaker 2: Rampage again nineteen ninety two. It's about this about it,
Speaker 2: Joe writes to us. There is a tie place local
Speaker 2: to me, and I'm a creature of habit, so I
Speaker 2: ordered the same garlic chicken saute. There are some days
Speaker 2: where it's just good, but then there are other days.
Speaker 2: There are other days, as David Lynch knows, right, yep,
Speaker 2: when the meal elevates to something better, and I'm always
Speaker 2: chasing that perfect saute when I order That's right. Isn't
Speaker 2: that the truth? It's the absolute truth. As we talked about,
Speaker 2: you know, David Lynch and his meditations on the perfect
Speaker 2: chocolate milkshake and slice of cherry pie and these things
Speaker 2: that you think are just these quirky things, he says,
Speaker 2: But the universe is in what he's saying. Yes, it
Speaker 2: really is, I mean he because you can all relate
Speaker 2: to that. Everyone can relate to. That is no matter
Speaker 2: where you go, no matter even if it's even if
Speaker 2: it's a fast food place, like even if you go
Speaker 2: to dunkin Donuts, like this is what I said my example. Well,
Speaker 2: get ready, Pap, Pap has got one on that right
Speaker 2: here there, there is a perfect you know. It's like
Speaker 2: I know when I've had a perfect dunkin Donuts coffee.
Speaker 2: I know that flavor. I know exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it is the way that it
Speaker 2: is and why it's so hard to land on right,
Speaker 2: but it's like it's it's you never know, you never know,
Speaker 2: he says, Pap does. Duncan is either giving you the
Speaker 2: best coffee you've ever had in your life or something
Speaker 2: that's barely drinkable, and there's no in between, and it's
Speaker 2: about a zero point zero five percent shot of you
Speaker 2: getting the best coffee. And it's always worth the gamble. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's the key. Yes, that's what David Lynch teaches us,
Speaker 2: that it's still worth it. You have to keep trying.
Speaker 2: That's what you have to do. You have to keep trying.
Speaker 2: I still try. I try for the perfect milkshake, you know,
Speaker 2: the kind, the kind that makes you come after right.
Speaker 2: I love ejaculation, love it. The feeling of coming is
Speaker 2: the greatest. Yeah, it's funny, David. I think you have
Speaker 2: a lot of company in that respect. Not one of
Speaker 2: your more controversial statements. Oh God, bless the man. God
Speaker 2: bless the man. Lots more to come. He is now
Speaker 2: firmly ensconced and lapsed care. I don't think an area
Speaker 2: show is going to go by where we're not going
Speaker 2: to hear from him a little bit. And that's a
Speaker 2: testament to the work boss Man brought to us on
Speaker 2: the Twin Peaks Cinemat journey. Still find myself when I
Speaker 2: all of a sudden stumble upon some empty space in
Speaker 2: my day, which is very rare, I'm like, should I
Speaker 2: put blue velvet on? Do I dare? I know? I
Speaker 2: know I'm gonna do it eventually, I don't know when.
Speaker 2: Because of the Twin Peaks Journey under the Cinemat, I'm
Speaker 2: going to do it. I'm still I'm I'm mustering up
Speaker 2: the courage to do a lost highway, just to fucking
Speaker 2: oh yeah, just to get that uh, just to just
Speaker 2: just to put context in that fucking horrifying Robert Blake scene,
Speaker 2: to totally that that scene is still man, it's still
Speaker 2: with me, it's still with me. Just just the idea
Speaker 2: that that that there's somebody who's you're talking to you,
Speaker 2: right in front of you, who's also at your house.
Speaker 2: It's horrifying. Oh yeah, Well, what was the other one? Egg?
Speaker 2: What was it? What was the other David Lynch movie?
Speaker 2: We'll get to it. Someone had written to us about
Speaker 2: how people like walked out of the theater in the movie,
Speaker 2: or or he heard from his parents that people walked
Speaker 2: out of the movie theater because it was so incorrigible.
Speaker 2: So Lynch, so Lynchy. Yeah, Zach writes, to the point
Speaker 2: about observing the small things is, you know what, there
Speaker 2: is something sobering to know if you truly observe your
Speaker 2: own life, you will only get the best version of
Speaker 2: your favorite things a handful of times if you're lucky.
Speaker 2: Ain't that the truth? Yep? Ain't that the truth that
Speaker 2: I mean? That's that's what we chase, Yes, and that's life.
Speaker 2: That's not an indictment on anyone's character. That's that's not
Speaker 2: a flaw, that's a feature. That's that's life is chasing that,
Speaker 2: because if you're gonna chase that, then you're just you're
Speaker 2: just twistling in the wind, right, I mean, you know
Speaker 2: you you want That's what That's what always makes certain
Speaker 2: things so special is that you do you want to
Speaker 2: keep You want to keep going back to You want
Speaker 2: to think you have something that you can look forward to, right,
Speaker 2: but really you're just hoping that it's the same thing
Speaker 2: you remember, and so rarely is it. But it serves
Speaker 2: to confirm that when it landed, it landed man, because
Speaker 2: I would I would rather have had those three perfect
Speaker 2: cups of coffee and chase it for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life that have never had those cups of coffee. Yep,
Speaker 2: I agreed. You know what I'm saying. It anchors you,
Speaker 2: It gives you, gives you like, all right, Well, if
Speaker 2: the chips fall a certain way, this could be another
Speaker 2: one of those perfect days. And we only have a
Speaker 2: handful of those two where everything's in rhythm. You never
Speaker 2: get bored, but you never get over over busy. You
Speaker 2: take advantage of the of a beautiful day. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You're with people you love. It's that
Speaker 2: those rhythms are tough to catch, man. You had to
Speaker 2: catch those waves, and and you've got to try to
Speaker 2: make that day happen again the next day. Yep. And
Speaker 2: it probably won't, but you gotta have that. You got
Speaker 2: to have that that true north that you're going towards.
Speaker 2: It's got to come from within you. You can't be
Speaker 2: looking for it to other people, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: David Lynch, I guess that is what I'm trying to say. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Marty f thank you very much for your pledge, my friend.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the higher tiers of the solar system Patreon community.
Speaker 2: We should hope you enjoy the benefits you're afforded. Nathan Bennett,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your pledge, my friend. That
Speaker 2: piece of shit, Hulkogan writes again, MTV reminds me of
Speaker 2: that local mall that was hopping twenty to thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: but now it's just a barren wasteland filled with novelty stores.
Speaker 2: You've been in the mall lately, My god, what's happening
Speaker 2: out there now?
Speaker 5: We?
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, it's a blood bath it's a blood bath. Yeah,
Speaker 2: nothing is sacred. There's you know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: I don't know the mall situation. I've noticed you've either
Speaker 2: got great mall, a great mall, or you've got an
Speaker 2: absolutely awful mall. That's just that's it. On the verge
Speaker 2: of death. Everyone used to be able to have a
Speaker 2: local mall that was of a certain caliber, you know,
Speaker 2: in your area, not necessarily in your town or in
Speaker 2: your city, but right within driving distance, magnificant mall of
Speaker 2: significant vitality. And now there is one in your state. Yeah, two,
Speaker 2: two or three one. You know, you've got a couple.
Speaker 2: It just yeah, you've got a couple here and there,
Speaker 2: and the other ones are just hollowed out forever twenty
Speaker 2: ones that have been converted into like ballpit play places
Speaker 2: that that are the size of your fucking garage. And
Speaker 2: the rest of people just like walking around like aimlessly, aimlessly.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to buy, there's nothing going on. Everything they
Speaker 2: have is already on their fucking doorstep anyway, everything they
Speaker 2: want rather is already on their porch waiting to be opened.
Speaker 2: Just walking down. He's just like a lost souls. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's where there's so little good. As you know, we're
Speaker 2: trying to point it out. We're trying to put you
Speaker 2: up on game, folks. Empty fucking just empty storefront. It's
Speaker 2: just faded retailers, cornerstone retailers, the ones you thought that
Speaker 2: would fight through anything like you just look at the
Speaker 2: seers now and you want to cry. You know, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you. I'll tell you what. There's a mall nearby,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you. You know it's bad. You know
Speaker 2: it's bad when the movie theater goes out of business. Oh,
Speaker 2: and that's what happened, And now you're sitting on a
Speaker 2: future top golf I would say, right. You know, usually
Speaker 2: movie theaters are the are the things that keep malls
Speaker 2: alive these days because at least there's the movie theater.
Speaker 2: But when the movie theater closes, you stop and realize
Speaker 2: no one fucking gives a shit, no one, no one
Speaker 2: cares at all. Nobody is safe, that's right. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 2: isn't that right? No one is safe from Kim Wood either,
Speaker 2: Oh not at all. He's a fucking beast. Take Tickled
Speaker 2: Pink to see how that one landed over on unheard
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. As we got into the four plus hour
Speaker 2: interview that the former Cincinnati Bengals strength coach and adviser
Speaker 2: to Brian Pellman during the height of his manipulative abilities
Speaker 2: pitting Vince and Eric against each other in ninety five
Speaker 2: and the contract negotiations, the thing reality challenge, the things
Speaker 2: he fucking should, the truths that he laid bare and
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to speak to those cameras h Fixed Sports.
Speaker 2: I want everyone to know and listener, land, I had
Speaker 2: no idea that boss Man had the chamber loaded like that.
Speaker 2: No clue hit him again, Fixed Sports hit him again,
Speaker 2: Fix Sports, Reality challenged. They're all whores, he said. The
Speaker 2: boys in wrestling are reality challenged. Oh God, camera with
Speaker 2: the most pregnant pause you've ever not heard, I guess
Speaker 2: un Oh And as the homie Tom writes, what an
Speaker 2: incredible episode. Definitely the best dark sid unheard yet. And
Speaker 2: that's saying something one thing I thought might be worth noting,
Speaker 2: especially given the Solar Systems familiarity and veneration of Terry funk.
Speaker 2: I think the Funkster was ribbing Pillman with this chain
Speaker 2: yourself to the goalpost idea at the Super Bowl m
Speaker 2: Because metal detectors started being used to security for the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in nineteen ninety one for the Gulf War,
Speaker 2: and we're very much in place in nineteen ninety six
Speaker 2: with the Cowboys Steeler's Super Bowl in Phoenix, which if
Speaker 2: you don't remember, is where Terry Funk claimed to have
Speaker 2: proposed to Brian Pillman that he get in there and
Speaker 2: chain himself to the goalposts during the Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: the ultimate publicity stunt, and they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: remove him for thirty minutes, so the TV cameras wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to ignore him, and he'd be a legend
Speaker 2: as a result. And that was when he's doing a
Speaker 2: loose cannon gammick where he was out there just trying
Speaker 2: to do anything he could to get fired basically from WCW.
Speaker 2: That was the idea in his head. Pillman Tom Writs
Speaker 2: wouldn't have gotten close to the game, let alone the field.
Speaker 2: He either would have been barred entry or arrested outside
Speaker 2: the stadium. Might have still helped this loose cannon persona
Speaker 2: with the wrestling fans, but wouldn't have been a blip
Speaker 2: on the radar of the general public, especially back then.
Speaker 2: My guess Funk maybe had gotten a little tired of
Speaker 2: Pillman's I can work anyone routine interesting hmmm, which I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's spilled backstage, and was hoping to give him
Speaker 2: a little come up, and its a reminder of who
Speaker 2: the real best worker in the business was, or I
Speaker 2: am totally off in funk didn't know there were mental
Speaker 2: detectors at the stadium and honestly thought Pillman could get
Speaker 2: away with that. However, given what we know about Terry's
Speaker 2: relationship to Mick and how many times he playfully quote
Speaker 2: unquote ribbed his best friend in the business, I think
Speaker 2: there might have been a little glint in Terry's eye
Speaker 2: as he laid out this plan to Pilman, imagining him
Speaker 2: getting put in the paddy wagon well before the game.
Speaker 2: Whatever the real story is, here's to kim Wood a
Speaker 2: good reminder that if real con men ever got into
Speaker 2: pro wrestling, the Carneyes wouldn't have a chance. Fink sports Ye,
Speaker 2: that fucking fired down. We've been telling you, We've been
Speaker 2: telling you for years. Kim Wood knows. Kim Wood doesn't
Speaker 2: have the uh ah, kim Wood's just a fucking general.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the appearances to keep up that prevent
Speaker 2: him from saying things like that, noticing things like that,
Speaker 2: it's money, so fucking angry, so angry that it's No,
Speaker 2: it's money. No, it's a fucking a fucking line. It's money.
Speaker 2: You know what, Kim your god, damn right, it's money.
Speaker 2: Speak that truth. And like I said in the episode,
Speaker 2: if you're in the business and you hear him and
Speaker 2: you like roll your eyes, don't be madd he's talking
Speaker 2: about you. Don't be madd He's talking about you. Ye,
Speaker 2: Scott wants us to know. On Nomeo and Juliet, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, signed up and it's going way back in
Speaker 2: the under of the Cinemat argall shit, that's the well,
Speaker 2: that is the uh. The most recent Hulk Hogan movie
Speaker 2: is Yes, as We did. Hulk Hogan's entire filmography available
Speaker 2: to you in the Under the Cinemat archives for your
Speaker 2: executive producer to your pledge at Patreon. He says, my
Speaker 2: kids are in bed and I'm watching this fucking movie
Speaker 2: by myself, just to hear the co chairs commented, that's
Speaker 2: something to see. Oh man tlf my apologies. Geno writes
Speaker 2: the cast that has me yelling Farina in my room
Speaker 2: like a psychopath. Oh Lee Morris, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for the pledge. We appreciate it, my friends. Okay, So
Speaker 2: j W finally getting into the more ones. Okay, talk
Speaker 2: about Roger Moore in incredible James Bond Journey that's available
Speaker 2: for your Patreon dollar as well under the cinemat and
Speaker 2: he's finally getting into the Roger Moore at once. He
Speaker 2: says he's been putting it off but cannot wait to
Speaker 2: drop the knowledge he obtains on Roger Moore on my
Speaker 2: eighty three year old mom. Oh boy, miss Midge older,
Speaker 2: he writes in the Chairman, and thus was old enough
Speaker 2: that was able to take me to three of these
Speaker 2: Roger Moore ones. At least one was preschool era or
Speaker 2: kindergarten half days, all at an inappropriate age. She loved
Speaker 2: Roger Moore. We sat Mattine's Month's replays at the Cheap Theater.
Speaker 2: The matinees were enjoyed after ice cream at the Woolworth's
Speaker 2: Food Kiosk at Westland Mall, Burlington, Iowa. I wish I
Speaker 2: had more specifics, but I was like six years old.
Speaker 2: My brother had several versions of a cool Lotus submarine
Speaker 2: car merch, but he didn't get this special Bond movie
Speaker 2: viewing treatment. I had a matchbox James Bond Harvercraft. Ooh,
Speaker 2: it's easy to see how Octopus's red spandex clad army
Speaker 2: segued seamlessly into my love of pro wrestling, perhaps even
Speaker 2: explains my inexplicable love of red speedoclad Heel Paul Orndorf
Speaker 2: for White cheered in late August eighty six at the
Speaker 2: rosemonta Rizin versus Hogan for my eighth birthday. I was
Speaker 2: offered anything else but shows fake fighting as a birthday present.
Speaker 2: That tape is lost, but I assume the Toronto Big
Speaker 2: Event match is very similar. I haven't seen the more
Speaker 2: Bonds in forty plus years, but I've haunted by the
Speaker 2: clown Double oh six getting killed ever since. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 2: so just no your efforts, Boss, put that back on
Speaker 2: the table for him forty years later. Love it. That's
Speaker 2: to Paul Lantau, thanks for that increase in pledge. My
Speaker 2: friend is small, but we noticed it and we appreciated it. Sachster,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome in Nick
Speaker 2: ossipoff on time fan getting back into the queue. We
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Andrew. Huge shout out to Andrew Dear's co chairman.
Speaker 2: I want to let you know that I am registered
Speaker 2: and running the New York City Marathon for charity. And
Speaker 2: he has exclusively listened to TLF on his long runs,
Speaker 2: and he says that both of you have fueled my
Speaker 2: performance hundreds of miles put in thousands more to go.
Speaker 2: Thank you both. I think speak for both of us,
Speaker 2: boss when we say go get that fucking shit to
Speaker 2: go fucking do it? You know what I mean? Yep,
Speaker 2: that's why it's worth it, because we're in your ears
Speaker 2: when you're doing things that are actually useful. When I
Speaker 2: hear about video podcasting, I've probably been in this rant before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, who wants the listener that sits there and
Speaker 2: looks at the video all day? I know, don't you
Speaker 2: want the listener who's actually engaged in something else, like productive?
Speaker 2: They probably have money, not to say that's the only
Speaker 2: reason you want a listener. Bless the listeners that are
Speaker 2: broke can still dive into our ship. We love that too, Yep.
Speaker 2: But I just don't understand what what advertisers see in
Speaker 2: video versus audio. To me, it's like audio is I
Speaker 2: mean good with just pure audio that means they're serious
Speaker 2: people most likely, or maybe not. I don't know, especially
Speaker 2: because you know and and I mean two things number one,
Speaker 2: you know, and and and and and listen. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think I think it worked a little bit better
Speaker 2: for Unheard because we had the video footage of the interviews.
Speaker 2: But it's it's generally not interesting, like because normally it's
Speaker 2: just like, I don't know, it's just like a weird conversation.
Speaker 2: It's not done in a in a it's just an
Speaker 2: interview usually or just a discussion. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just don't find it interesting to see. I'm surprised
Speaker 2: so some of the people insist on it, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they really do. I mean, we saw that we
Speaker 2: did audio only for first season if Unheard, and every
Speaker 2: other fucking social comment was where's the video? I need
Speaker 2: the video, need the video? Give them the video, and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, fuck, these guys, where they that's the
Speaker 2: best part. I love it? Oh my god, yeah, it
Speaker 2: goes what one of them then, one of the most
Speaker 2: recent ones, just fucking I love this ship. A guy says, uh,
Speaker 2: better if we just showed the clips or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he said, Uh, this would be farm. This
Speaker 2: is three days ago. Three This would be far much
Speaker 2: more interesting and watchable if it was just the kim
Speaker 2: Woods footage. These these three quote hosts unquote are unnecessary
Speaker 2: and unbearable, unnecessary and unbearable. That there's our epitaph right there.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what exactly on the headstone. Listen. I
Speaker 2: I thrive on being unnecessary and unbearable. That's right, And
Speaker 2: the coffers and the coffers say it pays to be
Speaker 2: such right. But now when you hear that, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of I know where you're coming from, because
Speaker 2: when I see someone's face, all think about is their
Speaker 2: fucking face. And then you get into this incredibly shallow,
Speaker 2: like you know, experience where it's like paying attention. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this too. You wouldn't get you wouldn't get
Speaker 2: the the I just we couldn't. I couldn't do it
Speaker 2: for that long. What the fuck are you serious? Exhausting
Speaker 2: six hours of video? That's impossible.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It is exhausting. It's a very very it's an exhausting experience.
Speaker 2: It's a whole different level because you got to be
Speaker 2: on like beyond you're using, you're burning calories. You know,
Speaker 2: you're burning, you're using muscles you don't use when you're
Speaker 2: just talking, because you're just constantly aware of what you're saying,
Speaker 2: what you look like, and where you're facing. It's just
Speaker 2: such a it's such a vapid thing. It's so fucking like,
Speaker 2: you know, can't we can't we make space for something
Speaker 2: other than constantly being on camera all the time right
Speaker 2: in this American life. I I just yeah, for me,
Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I
Speaker 2: never watch video podcasts because unless I'm I'm using it
Speaker 2: for research, I just I don't care. And I sure
Speaker 2: hope a lot of this, like YouTube is the discovery
Speaker 2: think pieces YouTube. I hope people aren't confusing people using
Speaker 2: YouTube in their cars and just listening to the audio
Speaker 2: even though the video is technically playing or playing a
Speaker 2: YouTube video in their laptop while they cubbuts around the
Speaker 2: house and they can hear it, but the video is
Speaker 2: technically playing. I sure hope they don't confuse that for
Speaker 2: signals that video is the way to go when the
Speaker 2: only reason it's on videos because it's easy to find
Speaker 2: something on YouTube. That's the reason. That doesn't cause videos in,
Speaker 2: although advertisers want video to be in because you can
Speaker 2: charge more for a video ad than an audio ad.
Speaker 2: But that's just that's the same thing as audio. It's
Speaker 2: just they're using YouTube, so you assume it's a video
Speaker 2: view and it's not. Most people, a lot of people
Speaker 2: I think that use YouTube to access podcasts just hook
Speaker 2: it up to the car or put it in, put
Speaker 2: it in the ears, and they're listening to it just
Speaker 2: like they would listening to it on an audio only
Speaker 2: platform like Spotify, which also has video now too, of course.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: a weird. It's kind of a weird thing that people
Speaker 2: insist on. It's it's curious. And I'll and I will say,
Speaker 2: having done all the research for these unheard episodes, having
Speaker 2: read through all the transcripts and selected the bites myself,
Speaker 2: you do not want a podcast where these guys and
Speaker 2: gals are just talking for three hours of raw footage.
Speaker 2: You don't want it. It sucks. It's like you need curation. Curation.
Speaker 2: There are moments of inspiration, there are moments when they
Speaker 2: say things in a crystallized way that that that that
Speaker 2: sit in the mind that's the best part, is I
Speaker 2: I I would love to see the comments from these
Speaker 2: same people watching the uncut ship. Oh they have no idea. God, well,
Speaker 2: wont editing. Maybe maybe a little bit of editing. Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe someone give me some context. We did that, so
Speaker 2: you give you what? You gave you what you wanted.
Speaker 2: He said, no, no, you don't want that problem. It
Speaker 2: turns out when people say they know what they want,
Speaker 2: they're completely fullish. People don't know shit. We know what
Speaker 2: you want, and you're not don't know what they want.
Speaker 2: What did we say once upon a time, You're not
Speaker 2: gonna get get what you want. You're gonna get what
Speaker 2: we want. Thank you, Oh will Baber, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for your pledge. He gets it. He put that
Speaker 2: cake on the table. We love it, Morgan writes, while
Speaker 2: upgrade to the moat tier might have to be temporary,
Speaker 2: before going back to the EP tier, I could no
Speaker 2: longer deny what I needed. Mama sorrow is a national treasure,
Speaker 2: he says, Yes, thank you for the memories, thank you
Speaker 2: for the inspiration, and thank you for wrestling Mammy, and well,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for the vote of confidence, even
Speaker 2: for my dad. Just like oh, he's dumbfounded. Is he dumbfounded? Yep,
Speaker 2: because because all all the stuff that like drives him
Speaker 2: crazy is all the stuff that everybody loves. That's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so funny. There's an audience for the things that
Speaker 2: make you want to crawl into a hole and die.
Speaker 2: Of course. Amazing, so amazing. Yeah, Well, short bursts, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the thing that's you know, you can't overstay, you're welcome,
Speaker 2: you can't over play your hand, and things that are
Speaker 2: just so endearing in a person can become their absolute
Speaker 2: worst qualities if you just spam people with it, like
Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here, you know. But now
Speaker 2: if you deliver it a nice controlled release, baby, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the ticket. That's the ticket, and that's what we
Speaker 2: specialize in. So Neil had some great insight into MTV
Speaker 2: and the WWF. We talked about, of course, the marriage
Speaker 2: of these two organizations when we cover the nine eighty
Speaker 2: six Slammies, which was the final WWF broadcast on MTV
Speaker 2: until they came back years and years and years later
Speaker 2: for Sunday Night Heat. But it was the end of
Speaker 2: that relationship that so catapulted the WWF into a different
Speaker 2: Stratosphere the worst out of the score in the Rock
Speaker 2: and Wrestling Connection, Neil has a nice little piece on
Speaker 2: what it all meant and what MTV meant at the time.
Speaker 2: Hello co chairs. During your coverage of the inaugural Islammy Awards,
Speaker 2: you both expressed confusion over the end of the working
Speaker 2: relationship between MTV and the w during wrestling's nineteen eighties
Speaker 2: boom over the course of many over the course of
Speaker 2: many years. I you know, I still you know. Whenever
Speaker 2: I play that, I think about the fact that what
Speaker 2: you said is from a random piece of video from
Speaker 2: a nineteen ninety one Yes news piece about Twin Peaks,
Speaker 2: and in fact, that guy saying huh, like where is he?
Speaker 2: And I want to know who he is. I want
Speaker 2: to find him. I wanted him to know that he
Speaker 2: is immortalized. Now. That was a Minnesota radio station where
Speaker 2: they were taking calls from people who were anticipating the
Speaker 2: season finale. Yeah, yeah, and they're talking about like this
Speaker 2: guy would have Twin Peaks hour in the morning. He
Speaker 2: just talk about Twin Peaks for like an hour or two.
Speaker 2: And this guy just water cooler talk in the Twin Cities.
Speaker 2: Over the course of many years, I've worked on various
Speaker 2: music history projects, and there is admittedly very little spoken
Speaker 2: about wrestling and MTV. However, there is a large enough
Speaker 2: body of work surrounding the channel's history, and I think
Speaker 2: we can piece together what led the we to be
Speaker 2: broadcast on MTV, as well as how those same factors
Speaker 2: precipitated their exit from the network. Excellent. This is all
Speaker 2: admittedly speculative, but it represents my best guess after working
Speaker 2: with the available interviews, contemporaneous articles, and written histories across
Speaker 2: from multiple projects. Throughout its existence, MTV has been a
Speaker 2: land of contradictions that were never resolved to anyone's satisfaction.
Speaker 2: Chief among them was their relationship with music videos. Music
Speaker 2: videos were the lifeblood of the channel. They gave MTV
Speaker 2: a style and an identity that would tracked its earliest audience.
Speaker 2: The speed at which everything came to the viewer on
Speaker 2: MTV was otherworldly, and the deluge of artfully edited images
Speaker 2: and sounds would extend past videos by Prince and Madonna
Speaker 2: and permeate the interstitial segments, promos and interviews. The same time,
Speaker 2: videos presented the largest existential threat to the viability of
Speaker 2: the channel Throughout its history. When it was launched in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, MTV's programming department came from rock radio.
Speaker 2: From its inception, the guiding philosophy of the channel was
Speaker 2: that it would be the equivalent of televised FM radio station.
Speaker 2: Of a televised FM radio station emanating from New York
Speaker 2: City with its staff plugged into the city's vibrant taste
Speaker 2: making music scene and co opt it to become trendsetters themselves.
Speaker 2: They would be able to see the latest acts in
Speaker 2: music firsthand, anticipate the next breakout stars before they made
Speaker 2: it big, and provide a unique audio visual presentation that
Speaker 2: was foreign to music to music fans in the early
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. I've spoken with a lot of people who
Speaker 2: were around for the launch of MTV, and they described
Speaker 2: the surreal feeling of seeing acts that they could only
Speaker 2: visualize through pictures and magazines coming to life before them.
Speaker 2: I don't think we can appreciate how earth shattering that
Speaker 2: transition was for the first generation yeah to watch music
Speaker 2: videos unless we were there to witness it. It's useful
Speaker 2: to think of MTV in those early years as being
Speaker 2: similar to Ted Turner's TVs. Turner felt that the world
Speaker 2: would fall in love with the culture of Atlanta, and
Speaker 2: that if TBS reflected that way of life, that outsiders
Speaker 2: would also be smitten by the charms of their city.
Speaker 2: In the same spirit as Turner, If MTV could bring
Speaker 2: the New York City music scene in nightlife to a
Speaker 2: wider audience, they would have accomplished their goal as the
Speaker 2: country's first musical and national music out However, since MTV
Speaker 2: modeled itself at their NETSM radio station, they were going
Speaker 2: to bring radio problems with them to television. Every audience
Speaker 2: survey conducted by MTV showed an unnerving reality that when
Speaker 2: viewers hit three or four music videos that they didn't
Speaker 2: care for, they would change the channel and usually not
Speaker 2: return for an extended period. This is a common challenge
Speaker 2: in radio and why arbitron ratings are measured. As a
Speaker 2: listener tuning in for five minutes during a fifteen minute interval,
Speaker 2: radio stations expect you to frequently turn the dial. It's
Speaker 2: a challenge built into the medium, and programming directors have
Speaker 2: devised a variety of well worn tricks over the years
Speaker 2: to keep their audience listening, whether it's a call in contest,
Speaker 2: an interview, with a music star or ad free music blocks. However,
Speaker 2: those tactics only work if you are competing against other
Speaker 2: radio shows. Maybe your station has the challenge of retaining
Speaker 2: its audience for more than a few minutes, but so
Speaker 2: does everyone else and down and down the dial. MTV's
Speaker 2: competition didn't have those problems. They were up against all
Speaker 2: manner of television game shows, sitcoms, network dramas, local news, sports,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Shows people were going to tune into longer
Speaker 2: than five or six minutes. MTV tried to package videos
Speaker 2: in unique ways over the years that were similar to
Speaker 2: the programming tactics of radio stations, guest celebrity vjays, specialty
Speaker 2: genre blocks, contests, etc. But none of them met with
Speaker 2: more than a limited amount of success. Music videos defined MTV,
Speaker 2: but they were also their biggest obstacle. It cannot be
Speaker 2: overstated that what a frustrating problem audience retention was for MTV,
Speaker 2: and in its early days, most acutely, the channel's advertising
Speaker 2: department was dismayed by the prospect of selling a grab
Speaker 2: bag of shorts listed as quote, music videos unquote, and
Speaker 2: TV guide with audience viewership habits that were that were
Speaker 2: that unpredictable. Perhaps advertisers could buy into the broader concepts
Speaker 2: behind them TV, but where were the shows? Where was
Speaker 2: the stability? Growing up, I was a big Buffy the
Speaker 2: Vampire Slayer fan, and even though it never got the
Speaker 2: kind of ratings that the big network dramas and comedies enjoyed,
Speaker 2: advertisers were impressed and how loyal its audience was. Through
Speaker 2: cast shakeups, network changes, and controversial creative decisions to directions,
Speaker 2: Buffy consistently drew sevens and eights in the Nielsens. Between
Speaker 2: four and six million viewers watched the show religiously every week,
Speaker 2: and we're not easily dissuaded from tuning in next week.
Speaker 2: While networks love big ratings, they love predictability even more
Speaker 2: because it gives you a lot of goodwill with potential
Speaker 2: sponsors when you can deliver a clearly defined and consistent audience.
Speaker 2: And it's why we're in this situation we're in now
Speaker 2: where Nielsen's tried and true method, as Neil talks about,
Speaker 2: of not trying to give a show credit for people
Speaker 2: that come in and out, or at least not trying
Speaker 2: to lose people that come in and out, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of giving an average of a fifteen minute quarter
Speaker 2: hour to account for the fact that people switch around
Speaker 2: a lot. Now we're in a situation we're streaming. All
Speaker 2: they want to say is just a viewer number, accumulative
Speaker 2: view number, and no one knows what that means. I mean,
Speaker 2: they kind of do, but they don't know how Netflix
Speaker 2: precisely goes about it, or how Max goes about it,
Speaker 2: or how Hulu goes about it. Is it a view
Speaker 2: if you hit play on a tablet? Is it a view?
Speaker 2: If you hit pause and hit play again? Is it
Speaker 2: a view? If your screen buffers and reconnects. Is it
Speaker 2: a view if you stop, go to the kitchen, and
Speaker 2: then hit resume when you come back from the home screen.
Speaker 2: It seems to be. It seems like all these things
Speaker 2: are counted as views, and it matters if it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if you change the channel. It kind of matters
Speaker 2: what happens, what your IP address records you doing on
Speaker 2: the device throughout the course of the thing, and then
Speaker 2: suddenly you're one person and your five views. And the
Speaker 2: Nielsen system that he's describing was designed to guard against that,
Speaker 2: so you didn't have a situation where one person was
Speaker 2: being double triple quadruple counted for coming in and out,
Speaker 2: and you guarded against that by the fifteen minute average.
Speaker 2: You guarded against also the possibility that six people are
Speaker 2: in the room watching the show, and you shouldn't get
Speaker 2: credit for just one viewer, you should get credit for six.
Speaker 2: That's why there's the panel style research approach where people
Speaker 2: fill out the arbitron rating sheets and literally agree to
Speaker 2: be measured households that are statistically significant for the area
Speaker 2: and have the demographic makeup where you could say this
Speaker 2: household is representative and we can extrapolate from there how
Speaker 2: many people of a similar constitution were watching the show
Speaker 2: at this time as well. It's that convoluted because the
Speaker 2: alternative is just to say this person watched. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: did he really? Because I'm paying a lot of money
Speaker 2: for this ad, you're telling me he watched. I have
Speaker 2: no idea if he got to my ad or not,
Speaker 2: So how am I supposed to pay you? Here we are, though,
Speaker 2: right back to before all these innovations and all the
Speaker 2: currency of this marketplace was established, and everyone's taking advantage
Speaker 2: of it, right, and no one wants to let Nielsen
Speaker 2: under the hood on streaming they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: They don't give a fuck they need to. Just you pay,
Speaker 2: you pay what we tell you it costs. That's how
Speaker 2: it's working right now. No third party to verify if
Speaker 2: people are actually watching or not. We need we need
Speaker 2: a Hey, I might just shed the magic word. Get
Speaker 2: me in there. All third party the shit out of them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I love third party as a verb. I
Speaker 2: love it. It'll probably take a it'll probably take an
Speaker 2: Act of Congress. Literally, I wish they fucking would. I
Speaker 2: don't know why they don't, but I wish they fucking would.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's it's important. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's in many ways they the streaming. It's out of
Speaker 2: control with with I mean, I only speak from my
Speaker 2: own experience because of the fact that that streaming shows
Speaker 2: make give me way less money than shows on actual television.
Speaker 2: And intuitively, you know that actual television is declining medium,
Speaker 2: that millions and millions less people have cable every year,
Speaker 2: and that streaming is where it's at, and that's where
Speaker 2: all the eyeballs are in the next wave demographically that's
Speaker 2: coming through. Like we got to figure this out. Like
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense that you're getting paid more
Speaker 2: and from a declining medium than one that has all
Speaker 2: the upside on it. Right, But it's because it's exactly
Speaker 2: what you're saying, is the fact that there's not an
Speaker 2: objective party looking at it. It's all internal and they
Speaker 2: release whatever numbers they want to release. And they also
Speaker 2: you know, like, well, you know, yes, you know, we
Speaker 2: had this us this show had fifteen billion views over
Speaker 2: its first few weeks. But you know it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's relative because it's you know, it's not really fifteen
Speaker 2: billion views, because that's just you know, these are the
Speaker 2: things that happens. So we really you can't get paid
Speaker 2: like you think you should, right exactly fifteen because fIF
Speaker 2: because here's the thing, fifteen billion views isn't fifteen trillion views.
Speaker 2: Maybe we get to fifteen trillion, we can talk business,
Speaker 2: but right now, these are just the things that you know,
Speaker 2: of a delicate nature. And advertisers are to blame too,
Speaker 2: because if they would just say, nope, no money for you,
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime until you give us the full transparency and
Speaker 2: meant it, if Netflix ads business can get off the ground.
Speaker 2: Until they insisted on that level of transparency they were
Speaker 2: accustomed to they'd eventually release the numbers because the wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to pass up that money. They're all doing an
Speaker 2: ad play now, they're all inserting programmatic in there. It's
Speaker 2: all AD supported now to some in some tiers, but
Speaker 2: now just oh well, I feel my feels like we're
Speaker 2: hip if I'm on a streaming if I'm in streaming inventory,
Speaker 2: so you tell me, you name your price so that
Speaker 2: i can feel like I'm doing my job because I'm
Speaker 2: on Hulu even though I have no fucking idea if
Speaker 2: anyone even saw the ad, no fucking clue. They'll spit
Speaker 2: me out a report that says someone saw the ad,
Speaker 2: but they're greating their own homework all day, which is one.
Speaker 2: It's one thing when it's like a you know, fucking
Speaker 2: banner ad for a twelve dollars toy from China. You know,
Speaker 2: it's one thing to let Facebook tell you how many
Speaker 2: people saw it. But when we're talking like NFL football games,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna give me a break Fox. We need
Speaker 2: the full breakdown and the public needs to be able
Speaker 2: to access it then exactly, you know you gotta pay
Speaker 2: Nielsen to get the full granularity on the on the
Speaker 2: tail I'm not saying that, but it needs to be
Speaker 2: generally circulated. How many people are watching these shows? If
Speaker 2: you are not to defraud the advertiser, you know, and
Speaker 2: therefore defraud the public in a way. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like you're inflating the cost of advertising so much that
Speaker 2: like only people that are selling the absolute premium products
Speaker 2: can afford it. It says, who, Well, how do we
Speaker 2: know that many people are watching it? You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's a weird deal we're in anyway, continue, where was
Speaker 2: the here?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: Okay? MTV needed the same level of audience stability. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: when they launched the channel, it was with a skeletal budget.
Speaker 2: The music videos were paid for by the labels and
Speaker 2: given MTV at no charge. The arrangement was identical to
Speaker 2: how radio stations received promotional copies of new records. Why
Speaker 2: would MTV need a production budget when the labels shouldered
Speaker 2: the bulk of the expense. Uh. Nevertheless, MTV needed ratings
Speaker 2: and last and fast to keep the their ship afloat
Speaker 2: in the in their early years. Additionally, it had to
Speaker 2: be with programming that and that an outside production company
Speaker 2: would pay for and be willing to sell to the
Speaker 2: channel at minimal cost. It would help if that programming
Speaker 2: originated from New York City to reflect the channel's tightly
Speaker 2: honed image in presenting to their audience the city's nightlife.
Speaker 2: If they could get a critically acclaimed pop star with
Speaker 2: origins in the NYC club scene, like say Cydney Lauper,
Speaker 2: it would be even closer in keeping with MTV's image.
Speaker 2: More than anything else, it had to be the programming.
Speaker 2: It had to be programming with a loyal, built in
Speaker 2: audience who could be counted on to find MTV on
Speaker 2: the dial and stay there for an extended period, something
Speaker 2: that could calm the sponsors who already had one foot
Speaker 2: out the door on the MTV experiment. For MTV, the
Speaker 2: World's entertainment was uniquely suited to tick all these books
Speaker 2: very interesting well, I don't dispute the involvement of Dave
Speaker 2: Wolf in helping to broker this arrangement. It appears from
Speaker 2: all available evidence that it was fueled by MTV's desperation
Speaker 2: for cheap, original content more than their enthusiasm to pro wrestling.
Speaker 2: We saw a version of this story play out when
Speaker 2: SmackDown started on UPN and nine. Paramount was running a
Speaker 2: critically reviled and commercially disappointing second tier startup network, and
Speaker 2: desperately needed a show that could penetrate ratings, generate penetrate brother,
Speaker 2: generate ratings with a consistent audience. The we swooped in
Speaker 2: gave it to them. Even though the arrangement helped both
Speaker 2: ww and MTV, it was cattle. It was catalyzed by
Speaker 2: MTV's vulnerabilities in creating original programming. If MTV had if
Speaker 2: MTB ever found itself doing well, things would get complicated.
Speaker 2: While Wendy Richter and the The Fabulous Mullah were wrestling
Speaker 2: on MTV in nineteen eighty four, something incredible was happening.
Speaker 2: For a brief but sustain time, music videos caught fire.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran, Bruce Springsteen, Prince George, Michael
Speaker 2: Van Helen, and many others put out videos that year
Speaker 2: which the youth of America ate up. This led to
Speaker 2: an avalanche of new revenue from advertisers and record viewership.
Speaker 2: When viacomfirst announced their purchase of MTV in late nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five from Warner MX, they were impressed enough by
Speaker 2: the network's popularity in that revenue in eighty four to
Speaker 2: give MTV a larger operating budget and a mandate to
Speaker 2: create original programming for the network in house. The artists
Speaker 2: who set nineteen eighty four on fire wouldn't have new
Speaker 2: music for a while, and the continued popularity of videos
Speaker 2: could not be guaranteed past that landmark year. We need content,
Speaker 2: that's right. Amidst the success was the palpable threat that
Speaker 2: hung in the air that MTV would regress back to
Speaker 2: their pre eighty four slump if a new generation of
Speaker 2: acts didn't resonate as well with their audience. With all
Speaker 2: these factors at the forefront of conversations at the network,
Speaker 2: it was time for MTV to create their own shows
Speaker 2: and play a bigger hand in controlling their destiny. The
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six Slammys landed at an awkward time for
Speaker 2: the rock and Wrestling connection. MTV was on our new
Speaker 2: ownership and with a robust budget to create new programming
Speaker 2: slated to launch nineteen eighty seven. While it's not clear
Speaker 2: what Viacom thought of thee being on MTV, it was
Speaker 2: apparent that the channel would not be in the we's
Speaker 2: debt going forward. Yes, this is still a window at
Speaker 2: eighty six where original ww programming and benefit will benefit
Speaker 2: the network. But Vince McMahon is very much a dead
Speaker 2: man walking on this broadcast. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: can sense the winds changing, but there is a palpable
Speaker 2: desperation on the slammis broadcast to do anything to impress
Speaker 2: a channel that ones needed him very badly, but was
Speaker 2: now on the cusp of bigger things, not a position
Speaker 2: Vince ever likes to end up in. So I'm always
Speaker 2: the bigger man. I should buy MTV. I made MTV.
Speaker 2: I made MTV. I made MTV into an entertainment conglomerate.
Speaker 2: That's your question, pal, what do you think the M
Speaker 2: stands for McMahon McMahon Television. Yeah, I can actually see
Speaker 2: like some regional broadcaster called McMahon Television. They are, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, twelve NBC affiliates and Greater Lexington, Kentucky McMahon
Speaker 2: and Television Corporation. That's pretty funny. Well, yeah, great stuff, Neil,
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for that essay. That's very insightful and
Speaker 2: gets us a little closer to understanding why the WWFMTV
Speaker 2: relationship went up and down so quickly. It just flamed
Speaker 2: right out, and I can confirm that trying to get
Speaker 2: some color from an MTV people on why it ended
Speaker 2: is not easy. Okay, folks don't necessarily want to talk
Speaker 2: about being reliant on WWF or why it stopped working.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think folks would rather talk about
Speaker 2: other things in their career than how they had to
Speaker 2: ride the WWF tiger for a couple of years to
Speaker 2: stay relevant. Christian a long time bad rock of the
Speaker 2: Lapsed Fan Solar System. Day one motherfucker has a wonderful proposal.
Speaker 2: He calls it Boss the Lapsed Fan Summer Pilgrimage. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: go chairs. As the summer approaches on ten years of Lapsed,
Speaker 2: I'm reflecting on how we are loyal Congregation of the
Speaker 2: Church of Lapsed can pay o much to the greatest
Speaker 2: award winning college podcast in the industry. We tithe, we
Speaker 2: give testimony, we offer praise in worship through the Lapsed jukebox.
Speaker 2: We even proselytize to wayward souls lost in the wilderness
Speaker 2: of modern www bullshit. We tell the stories, we sing
Speaker 2: the songs. We give of ourselves not because we expect
Speaker 2: a just reward and the hereafter, because we know we
Speaker 2: will get our just serving of pain right here on
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Speaker 2: the Mighty Army of Jericho and no Nut, Chris has
Speaker 2: openly served your hearts of zeal and zealous minds. We've
Speaker 2: beaten down the doors where people have attempted to walk
Speaker 2: us out. We've evacuated the Mongols and moondogs two and
Speaker 2: like the Christian Emperor Constantine, we've carried the banner of lapsed,
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Speaker 2: to take it one step further, to be as our
Speaker 2: Muslim brothers and sisters are true to the faith. I
Speaker 2: submit to you the annual Lapsed Summer Pilgrimage. Throughout the summer,
Speaker 2: every lapsed fan, if able, will visit at least one
Speaker 2: site of historical significance to the era when it used
Speaker 2: to be better. There are many meccas and many city
Speaker 2: civic centers as well, and so I propose we create
Speaker 2: a list of the definitive lapsed UNESCO World Pro Wrestling
Speaker 2: Heritage sites.
Speaker 8: Boss.
Speaker 2: That's the notion you heard it here. First. The rules
Speaker 2: are simple. Each member of the solar system may travel
Speaker 2: to at least one venue or location throughout the summer.
Speaker 2: Take a picture of the place and report back on Twitter.
Speaker 2: At the end of summer, a list will be made
Speaker 2: of the lapsed Genesco World Pro Wrestling Heritage sites, forever
Speaker 2: marking the top locations representing why it used to be better.
Speaker 2: Guidelines One no building venue from the twenty tens e g.
Speaker 2: Anything built a renovated prier to two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Two must have at least one significant moment in wrestling history.
Speaker 2: Three can't include locations. Can include locations where studio wrestling
Speaker 2: or house shows were filmed slash took place, for example
Speaker 2: w R Alan Raleigh, the studio Allentown, PA. If it's
Speaker 2: still standing, et cetera. While we went we went yep
Speaker 2: in the Fairal House now Intown. It's still there and
Speaker 2: it's a great example of what you're talking about. Christian
Speaker 2: for a wrestling nay forty we stopped by Hamburgen Ringers
Speaker 2: roosts for a a blt oh. Four must include a
Speaker 2: selfie no stock photo and the sense of nasty sensation
Speaker 2: as well. And four must include a selfie no stock photos.
Speaker 2: So in the words of the late Pete Rose. How
Speaker 2: about it, Christian. I love the idea. I love it
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons. One because you can trust
Speaker 2: the labs fan solar system to find the cations that
Speaker 2: no one else would find significance in. That's one thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not just talking about taking a picture of Madison
Speaker 2: Square Garden here, although that certainly belongs. I would actually
Speaker 2: urge you to get into the concourse and find the
Speaker 2: whole Cogan exhibit, right boss, or maybe even the gym,
Speaker 2: the Jim Londo's one. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I would.
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, find the wrestling photos in
Speaker 2: the picture like wall of fame that circles around the
Speaker 2: main concourse. That's what I would do. Great idea. Love it.
Speaker 2: Or if you can get on the suite level and
Speaker 2: find the picture of Hogan and mister t and Liberaci, yes,
Speaker 2: great one. Go take a picture of the hotel in
Speaker 2: Minneapolis where the Minneapolis Boxing and Wrestling Club is headquartered
Speaker 2: and where the lady answered the phone wrestling office as
Speaker 2: depicted in nineteen seventy four as the wrestler, And we're
Speaker 2: vern fucking cut deals and cut checks and book talent
Speaker 2: and collected his percentage. Let's see these places, Let's know
Speaker 2: what they look like. Let's find a I think there's
Speaker 2: a statue of Bruno in Pittsburgh or a plaque somewhere
Speaker 2: where you used to live. Got to see that. You're
Speaker 2: all over the place, if you're within the sound of
Speaker 2: our voice. We know the geographic diversity of the listenership,
Speaker 2: not only across the United States but across the world.
Speaker 2: Is Steve in Ireland not going to go find the
Speaker 2: dano O Mahony statue for us? I think he is.
Speaker 2: I think he is. I think it's a fair ask
Speaker 2: who can find the Easter ragg picture of the chic
Speaker 2: and Fenway Park? I challenge you, it's there. Can you
Speaker 2: find it? I know where it is. Let's fucking go.
Speaker 2: I love the idea, Christian. It's a wonderful idea, and
Speaker 2: it's wonderful not only because it's brilliant, but because we
Speaker 2: are the only podcast with a listenership capable of executing
Speaker 2: on us in the way it needs to be executed upon.
Speaker 2: And so we're not even bashful about broadcasting to the
Speaker 2: world the notion the second you put it on the table,
Speaker 2: and long may you share the credit? So love the idea.
Speaker 2: Let it be the summer of Laps in your travels.
Speaker 2: If you find your place vacationing somewhere where any wrestling
Speaker 2: history took place, find a way the homie Blake. He
Speaker 2: sent us pictures of the Von Eric's grave site dabllas.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. These are things that I
Speaker 2: never would have laid eyes on if not for enterprising
Speaker 2: members of the Solar System showing us, leading us to water,
Speaker 2: so to speak, so we can drink. So love the
Speaker 2: idea and let it be a summer of lapsed and
Speaker 2: let it long made continue. You can't find the Silver
Speaker 2: Dome anymore, unfortunately, although I know it's probably there's probably
Speaker 2: some vestige of it left. Yeah. Yeah, Chris, long standing,
Speaker 2: rock solid member of the Solar System rights drafting a
Speaker 2: legal document and literally had to specifically distinguish between tax
Speaker 2: forms filed for traditional employees and independent contractors. Your motors
Speaker 2: needed a refresher. Your motor, this motor he's talking about himself,
Speaker 2: needed a refresher on the mechanics. So what did he
Speaker 2: consult as an obvious source of truth on the matter.
Speaker 2: Kevin Nash Shoot interview. Yes, that's Laps, absolutely that's lapsed.
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Speaker 2: to the Wrestling with Shadows episode I wanted more, I
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Speaker 2: the main feed, didn't we? I think we hit I
Speaker 2: think that's a uh no, I don't think so, because
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for upping that pledge. I appreciate it. Yeah, sure, Ali,
Speaker 2: thank you, he writes. Why is the concept of loading
Speaker 2: something i e. A boot, a glove or a purse
Speaker 2: so funny?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, can you help us with this, boss.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, just think about the idea that
Speaker 2: it's loaded. Is it nachos, baked potato? I mean, what
Speaker 2: are you putting in a boot that makes it loaded?
Speaker 2: You know? Are you are you feeling it with cement?
Speaker 2: Is it loaded with like the purses have a brick
Speaker 2: in them? Usually? Right? But like why is the is
Speaker 2: you know, the loaded the Haliburton briefcase. You know, as
Speaker 2: there's the idea of loading something and the fact that
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess what really makes it even funnier
Speaker 2: is that it's as it's it's still easy to pick
Speaker 2: up no matter how loaded it is and swing it
Speaker 2: full speed, you know, right, you know, you can still
Speaker 2: just toss it like a like a like a pebble
Speaker 2: and name something even though it's loaded. Name something you
Speaker 2: could toss like a pebble that would hurt more if
Speaker 2: it hit someone in the head than if you just
Speaker 2: had this right. I mean, if you think about it,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, if you're gonna if you get to
Speaker 2: actually load something so that it hurts somebody more, you
Speaker 2: have to put a lot of shit in to make
Speaker 2: it and to make it really heavy, not just a
Speaker 2: little It's funny. A thin film strip of steel in
Speaker 2: the in the mask, you know, to add to that
Speaker 2: head button, right right, hilarious, It is funny. Loaded boots
Speaker 2: are fucking hilarious. Loaded. Give me a loaded full of shit,
Speaker 2: is what it is. Load. Yeah, Actually a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys get loaded after the shows. We said earlier
Speaker 2: and at the credit here goes to Josh. Josh is
Speaker 2: the one that linked us up to the Austin versus
Speaker 2: Savage WCW match. So I wanted to throw appreci his way. Appreac.
Speaker 2: That's a new one, Chad Kroeger. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 2: to sho appreached to Mondays. Now I know you're thinking, Chad,
Speaker 2: she appreached to Mondays. Cobra Jones, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for your meaty pledge. We appreciate the cake. Andrew, who's
Speaker 2: a great supporter of the fucking cast Mabel Toys Rocking
Speaker 2: and Rolling right, we're talking, oh yeah, oh yeah. He's
Speaker 2: friendly with Larry's Abisco. He has talked about this over
Speaker 2: the years, and we were talking on our World War
Speaker 2: three nine ninety six episode what about Larry? What was
Speaker 2: he thinking when the barbarian was laying into Lee Marshall
Speaker 2: at ringside and what appeared to be an unscripted attack
Speaker 2: where Lee Marshall suddenly was thrust into the position of
Speaker 2: having to sell for a monster pro wrestler and still
Speaker 2: somehow commentate the the Battle Royal. Unfortunately for us, well,
Speaker 2: fortunately for us, Andrew was able to ask Larry. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: for us, Larry had no recollection whatsoever course of the
Speaker 2: whole thing. But I felt that it was worth reporting
Speaker 2: back because Android made the effort. And he also urges
Speaker 2: you to check out Larry's Obisco's song. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know that there was a Larry's Abisco song. Boss.
Speaker 2: Do you hear anything about this? No, there's a We'll
Speaker 2: come up on it later too. Someone linked us to
Speaker 2: a great compendium that someone had created on a website
Speaker 2: of like wrestling related albums, and there's like a hundred
Speaker 2: of them on there. It's like there are so many
Speaker 2: of these novelty things along the lines of the wrestling album.
Speaker 2: And we spent a lot of time getting into getting
Speaker 2: into the wrestling album. Uh and and kind of it's
Speaker 2: pre its precursors when we did the Slammy Show and
Speaker 2: all of the things that you know, all all the
Speaker 2: things that that fit that category. I'm trying to find
Speaker 2: here it's a Bisco's song. I'm not going to find it,
Speaker 2: I don't think. But it's called boo on me. If
Speaker 2: you want to try to find it on us.
Speaker 1: He's a laps fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio
Speaker 1: and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2: Here it comes t L A f l's us go
Speaker 2: boo on a man? Oh hate? So come on, you
Speaker 2: just can't wait. That's poo Yeah you did. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this make me cry. Enjoy that.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I figured we owed it to Andrew Putting in the world. Wow,
Speaker 2: what a fuck. They're trying to get it relaunched. They
Speaker 2: think there's a market. Get on Spotify, baby, send some
Speaker 2: some royalties. The Legend's Way and the golf Polo. Dan
Speaker 2: wants you to know that. Coincidentally, twin Peaks is also
Speaker 2: the name of a sleazy hooter's knockoff restaurant, Chaine Twin
Speaker 2: Peaks Restaurant dot com. Boss. Well, I mean, hey, let's
Speaker 2: do it makes less sense as fan Marv. Great to
Speaker 2: see backpal. Thank you very much for your support. We
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Graveyard Entertainment also a wonderful supporter on Patreon.
Speaker 2: He says, if being excited by nine hours on a
Speaker 2: movie isn't a clear indication that I have a problem,
Speaker 2: there is no problem, and that's exactly correct. Logan writes,
Speaker 2: thank you for taking this journey into David Lynch. His
Speaker 2: work was a blind spot for me, so it's been
Speaker 2: great learning about him. I've seen all his movies now,
Speaker 2: and on season three of Twin Peaks, I highly recommend
Speaker 2: to The Straight Story. It's a heartwarming and very well
Speaker 2: acted story of a seventy three year old man determined
Speaker 2: to make amends with his brother, with one hilarious scene
Speaker 2: that reminds you it's a Lynch movie. My favorite of
Speaker 2: his would be Blue Velvet. However, I still think of
Speaker 2: that movie over a month after seeing it. Also, the
Speaker 2: original pilot for mohalland Drive is up on Internet archive
Speaker 2: if anyone is interested in watching it is Doctor, which
Speaker 2: again is basically the same movie. For those who who
Speaker 2: you know, listen to the Twin Peaks episodes. Basically is
Speaker 2: the same movie, but without the female uh kind of
Speaker 2: love angle love angle, right, Yeah, so much, so much
Speaker 2: more to learn about David Lynch. But you know, the
Speaker 2: Twin Peaks connections were there, from some indies doing Twin
Speaker 2: Peaks gimmicks to of course the Brazan Goo and Tyler
Speaker 2: Breeze doing the Twin Peaks knockoffs gets on raw. So
Speaker 2: we had we had the connections we needed for that
Speaker 2: that stop. We mentioned the PayPal tip jar option earlier.
Speaker 2: Zach who just supports us in every way you can imagine. Also,
Speaker 2: uh gave us at a boy at the conclusion of
Speaker 2: the David Lynch tribute, sending us some cake and saying
Speaker 2: for the coachairs to give themselves the present of one
Speaker 2: slice of pie or a milkshake. We'll take We'll take
Speaker 2: up on that one of these days. Well, we'll have
Speaker 2: it and we'll show it to you. Yeah. William wants
Speaker 2: to know. Well first, he says, I'm proud of the
Speaker 2: Solar System for not spoiling the killer in Twin Peaks,
Speaker 2: and I love JP for the cliffhanger. Well done, sir.
Speaker 2: Did you actually tell Jack or did you leave him
Speaker 2: hanging as well? I told him, I did tell him.
Speaker 2: I cut you know. I don't he I even told
Speaker 2: you I cut that out of the episode. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: see I thought that made the episode. No, I decided
Speaker 2: to cut it out. I had no idea that about that.
Speaker 2: That's huge, What a great thing to talk about. Then here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I I I I was. I got right to the
Speaker 2: point where I was about to say, and then I
Speaker 2: put the the montage on. I had no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you told me after we finished the movie in
Speaker 2: a way that still sounded like you were on. You know,
Speaker 2: we were on.
Speaker 8: We were on.
Speaker 2: I mean, I recorded that was it. That was a
Speaker 2: decision afterwards. That was a decision, as I was probably
Speaker 2: why did you make that decision? Because I think people
Speaker 2: should see it? Yep, I think people should see it
Speaker 2: for themselves. I think it. I think it. It just
Speaker 2: it's such a revelation that it it's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: It's amazing revelation. What do they need to know about
Speaker 2: how much more Twin Peaks they have to watch? If
Speaker 2: you want to divulge that even to get that, you
Speaker 2: just got to get through to find out, You've got
Speaker 2: to get about maybe a third of the way through
Speaker 2: season two. Okay, And I hope the theme song doesn't change, no,
Speaker 2: no at all, no im faces of the name absolutely, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, if that wasn't in my head, I put
Speaker 2: it on the car once. It's so great. I realized
Speaker 2: that's a great, great piece of music. I actually, you know,
Speaker 2: it's funny. After I watched that the whole thing the
Speaker 2: first time back in two thousand and whatever, I I
Speaker 2: bought the soundtrack album. Wow, I bought the soundtrack album,
Speaker 2: so I got all that music, all that great Angelo
Speaker 2: Badam and oh God disusing it. Boom boom boom the waterfall. Ah,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful, Oh so beautiful. And then you have to
Speaker 2: hear the whole thing, the whole under the Cinema Lynch
Speaker 2: tribute Twin Peaks tribute is worth it to get to
Speaker 2: that end where boss Man hits you, that montage to
Speaker 2: that music of all the nuggets of wisdom that David
Speaker 2: Lynch portrayed and conveyed, I should say, in his time
Speaker 2: here on earth, and it is truly a beautiful ending.
Speaker 2: So highest recommendation. Tim writes to us son, I'm expected
Speaker 2: to you know, honest to God, that was not that
Speaker 2: was not on my plan for twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 2: amazing how that happens, son of a bitch had to
Speaker 2: go and die. Hey, that's another great thing about the
Speaker 2: format here. We're flexible.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We strike when they're it's hot. Yeah, no excuses, clear
Speaker 2: the whole deck. We don't give a fuck. All right, fine,
Speaker 2: this whole podcast will be about Terry Funk for eight months.
Speaker 2: Fuck you, it's right. This whole podcast will be about
Speaker 2: TNA in twenty ten. Fuck you, No podcast will be
Speaker 2: about SID for eight months. We don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: And that's right. Go fuck yourself exactly, Tim eat shit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're starting to get there rights to us on our
Speaker 2: World War three ninety six episode. World War three is
Speaker 2: probably the worst gimmick match of all. But as a kid,
Speaker 2: I thought they should have simulcast each ring. I imagine
Speaker 2: they may have needed to pay cable systems more to
Speaker 2: get three channels of pay per view, but maybe put
Speaker 2: the three rings on TNT, then hard cameras on each ring,
Speaker 2: and put it on the center ring on the main
Speaker 2: pay per view ring, then split the others to TBS
Speaker 2: and I don't know, CNN, Court TV. There's the thought
Speaker 2: you can watch, you choose which ring you watch contained
Speaker 2: the stressing Ida that's not bad idea at all, actually,
Speaker 2: I mean if you had yeah, yeah, it could be interesting.
Speaker 2: Especially with streaming now, I mean it complicates it because
Speaker 2: if it's pay per view, you can't just as well
Speaker 2: put one of the rings on free TV. But now
Speaker 2: you could do it. I remember UFC used to do
Speaker 2: that when they used to have before they got in
Speaker 2: bed with the ESPN, they used to offer their pay
Speaker 2: per views on their own streaming service, like their version
Speaker 2: of WW network, and they actually went all out that
Speaker 2: you could toggle sound so like during the course of
Speaker 2: the fight, instead of listening to the commentators, you could
Speaker 2: listen to the corner men shouting the instructions and actually
Speaker 2: caught the corner men saying some fascinating things and some
Speaker 2: key fights over the years. That was kind of like
Speaker 2: an interesting fun exercises to go back and see what
Speaker 2: you could piece together just listening to the quarter audio afterwards.
Speaker 2: And you could pick I believe you could if I'm
Speaker 2: remembering correctly. You could pick camera angles as well. They
Speaker 2: did a ton of experimental stuff and it really was cool.
Speaker 2: But WW didn't do anything like that. I mean they
Speaker 2: would have to get buy in from like Peacock. It's
Speaker 2: not like they could just do it. But even when
Speaker 2: they had the network, there wasn't there wasn't much fun
Speaker 2: you could have, you know what I mean with like
Speaker 2: how you took it in and I wonder if that
Speaker 2: there's some space for that. Corey Barnett, thanks very much
Speaker 2: for your pledge. We appreciate you joining the inner circle
Speaker 2: here at tlf on. David Lynch, Carlo Wright. It's all
Speaker 2: about trust, after all. Without the trust, David Lynch engenders
Speaker 2: he is the definition and exemplar of the pervy, pretentious,
Speaker 2: tortured artist gimmick yep. For example, in the middle of production,
Speaker 2: he says to his lead actors, I just had a
Speaker 2: vision in meditation. I just added eighteen pages to the script.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the two of you are going
Speaker 2: to have sex nude on camera and you, Naomi, you
Speaker 2: are going to lay down and masturbate. And what do
Speaker 2: you think about that? Girls? Very tasteful, very safe. We're
Speaker 2: going to need a lot of takes to get it right. Wow. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's what he did, pretty much what he did, ye Naomi, Naomi,
Speaker 2: you gotta keep doing it, keep rubbing the pussy. You
Speaker 2: got no farder, the not your the I mean pussy
Speaker 2: is offensive enough in that scenario, he says.
Speaker 5: The.
Speaker 2: No, no, harder, harder, Naomi, that is a huge distinction
Speaker 2: in life. Like we talked, We've talked about how much
Speaker 2: of a difference maker it is when a dick is
Speaker 2: out as opposed to end right, how it changes the
Speaker 2: entire mood within a twenty minute radius. But similarly, like
Speaker 2: the and your huge difference big is or that you
Speaker 2: know that is even better, like you know, like you
Speaker 2: just said, like you know, touch not your pussy, touched
Speaker 2: that pussy. I don't know even like you know, eat
Speaker 2: your dinner, eat that dinner, Eat that dinner, Eat the dinner,
Speaker 2: eat that dinner. It comes off so much differently. Yes,
Speaker 2: William writes, there was a Simpsons episode where Homer is
Speaker 2: watching Twin Peaks, sitting on the couch, a piece of
Speaker 2: popcorn clenched between his fingers, and he says something on
Speaker 2: the lines of this show is amazing. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what it's about. That's pretty good, and he remembers
Speaker 2: the six cassette box. Is that a Twin Peaks? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a that was That was the VHS cassette
Speaker 2: they released vs. A VHS box set in ninety five.
Speaker 2: First and no, they released the the Laser Disc in Japan,
Speaker 2: but then the VHS box set in the State's huge
Speaker 2: in so you could get the complete Twin Peaks on
Speaker 2: VHS in nineteen ninety five. That's amazing. Yep, all all
Speaker 2: thirty up since the earliest I ever heard of something
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I knew movies
Speaker 2: move they did that with movies. Yeah, movie, I remember
Speaker 2: they did that with the Star Trek, the original Star
Speaker 2: Trek movies, but not not TV I don't remember. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know they'd have best of you know, or selections
Speaker 2: of movies, but not like that, not the whole fun
Speaker 2: That's that's a DVD thing exactly. William writes that six
Speaker 2: cassette box was what my local video store, which was
Speaker 2: called That's re Entertainment had, and was. I was slinging coffee.
Speaker 2: This is a great memory. I was slinging coffee at
Speaker 2: Espresso Royale. I'd take my tip jar earnings, walk from
Speaker 2: the coffee shop a block to the video store, grab
Speaker 2: a peeks, then walk two blocks to a Vietnamese takeout,
Speaker 2: then walked the last two blocks to my apartment I
Speaker 2: was in my early twenties and the late nineties broke
Speaker 2: as hell and it was awesome. Amen, man, you put
Speaker 2: me there. What a night? What a night in incredible
Speaker 2: Chris notices on World War Three nine ninety six. Under
Speaker 2: commented by anyone so far was Tony Schiavanni calling heenan
Speaker 2: Bob early in the zoo. Yeah, Bob, that's huge with
Speaker 2: his contemptuous tone for the brain. We talked about Tony
Speaker 2: Penya on an episode and Tom who knows the area
Speaker 2: well and World War Three, we talked about him because
Speaker 2: Tony Penya was a name that Viano three one under
Speaker 2: when he was unmasked when he first came to WCW
Speaker 2: and we were like, where is Tony Penya coming from?
Speaker 2: Why is that ringing a bell? Tom fills it in,
Speaker 2: which is another great use case for the feedback show
Speaker 2: and Patrio. Tony Penya was a coach for the Yankees
Speaker 2: after his playing days. Was on the two thousand nine
Speaker 2: World Series Championship staff. Also, I'm doing a Scar Blaye journey.
Speaker 2: We listened and just finish nineteen ninety six earlier this week.
Speaker 2: Always grateful for that lapsed serendipity, he writes, as as
Speaker 2: boss half remembered per that episode, And this was another
Speaker 2: thing that we struggled to recall precisely on the World
Speaker 2: War three episode because of course that's the first pay
Speaker 2: per view where Bischoff comes out as a heel as
Speaker 2: a member of the NYO, having turned on Piper a
Speaker 2: couple weeks before, but we couldn't remember, like if they
Speaker 2: just had him turn and didn't really explain what the
Speaker 2: hell would lead the fucking boss of WCW to join
Speaker 2: the nWo side. Per that episode, Tom writes Bischoff had
Speaker 2: offered if you can't beat him, join him as his
Speaker 2: reason for turning on WCW. Yeah, he basically says, because
Speaker 2: we were like, so he let Kevin Nash powerbomba at
Speaker 2: Great American Bash just to fool people for six months
Speaker 2: before you finally revealed what his grand plan was. But
Speaker 2: he goes on to say that apparently, which we have
Speaker 2: talked about in the past because we covered it a
Speaker 2: bit more on the nose, that he basically said after
Speaker 2: that attack from the Outsider, so the Great American Bash,
Speaker 2: he realized that he was just fighting an uphill battle
Speaker 2: and he had to So he's saying he's basically in
Speaker 2: the tank for the nWo. Shortly since, shortly after that
Speaker 2: and the Grand Plan revealed itself, and it was on
Speaker 2: that Nitro two or around that nitro where he was like,
Speaker 2: everyone has to declare their allegiance and everyone has a
Speaker 2: twenty four hours or whatever the nWo was saying, everyone
Speaker 2: has twenty four hours say if you're with us or
Speaker 2: against us or whatever. So Chris, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for bumping up your pledge. We appreciate it. Up to
Speaker 2: that EP tier. That's that's a big boy move of you,
Speaker 2: and we note it and we appreciate it. Adam writs,
Speaker 2: considering how many TLF exchanges involve wrestlers transforming into others
Speaker 2: or having their CPU meltdown mid sentence, Oh boy, it's
Speaker 2: safe to say that the co chairman were lynching for
Speaker 2: years before this beautiful tribute. Very true, very true. With that,
Speaker 2: send me a related note, he says, I always thought
Speaker 2: Chris Isaac looked like a young Randy Orton in Twin
Speaker 2: Peaks fire Walk with Me, especially when he beats the
Speaker 2: ship out of the Redneck Shriff. Always liked those doppelgangers
Speaker 2: around here, ye. Jacob Wright started watching Twin peaks around
Speaker 2: the time the Deep Dive started, and I'm loving it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna mis lapsed Lynch. I hope you all finish
Speaker 2: the Laura Palmer arc in the future. I actually enjoyed
Speaker 2: you the first nine episodes of season two more than
Speaker 2: season one. Yeah, I mean, the beginning of season two
Speaker 2: is great. You agree with that? Yeah, oh yeah, Listen,
Speaker 2: it all goes downhill after after the revelation and when
Speaker 2: that when when the kind of when the Laura Palmer
Speaker 2: Palmer storyline ends. It just I mean, and again I
Speaker 2: don't hate it. It's just it's just not what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because again, like I said when we were
Speaker 2: doing it, people don't know when they're watching something like this,
Speaker 2: they think they want they think they want the answer. Yes,
Speaker 2: but you don't want the answer because the fun of
Speaker 2: the show was in the who done it aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Once you know the game's over and that it is,
Speaker 2: and I think they could have, you know, the the
Speaker 2: I don't. It's hard. It's very hard. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I knew the answer this and obviously we're looking back
Speaker 2: on it with you know, with the you know, with
Speaker 2: the Monday Morning quarterback here but you know, if you
Speaker 2: they if they were able to find another hook and
Speaker 2: like kind of have side stories that kind of overtook
Speaker 2: the Laura Palmer thing, that would have been better, you know,
Speaker 2: so that the Laura Palmer thing didn't always have to
Speaker 2: be in the forefront. It would just kind of sometimes
Speaker 2: linger in the background. They would always be present, but
Speaker 2: it might not be the focus of every episode. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just think that could have been better,
Speaker 2: and they could have probably played it for three five seasons.
Speaker 2: I think I've been in five seasons with it, and
Speaker 2: then you reveal at the end and it's fantastic. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would have been That would have been the play.
Speaker 2: And speaking of leaving something until the very very end,
Speaker 2: we continue to be vindicated on the scene of heel turn.
Speaker 2: I said up the second we surfaced it here on
Speaker 2: the show that we're going to ruin it for you.
Speaker 2: We're going to ruin it for you because when we
Speaker 2: lay out how they should do it, yeah, everything else
Speaker 2: is going to pale in comparison. And from what we're hearing,
Speaker 2: it's not going so well. Yeah, as they went with
Speaker 2: a different tack, but your co chairman, in anticipation of
Speaker 2: WrestleMania this year, cooking up a thought as to how
Speaker 2: we can put that one really under the microscope, because
Speaker 2: while we really shy away from doing much in the
Speaker 2: way of shows on contemporary wrestling, there are moments where
Speaker 2: people turn to us and say, hey, you guys figured
Speaker 2: out why everything in the past that we remember as
Speaker 2: corollaries to what's happening now worked or didn't work. You
Speaker 2: guys do the diagnosis. You guys do the you guys
Speaker 2: put it under the tightest microscope. You guys do the autopsies.
Speaker 2: What do you think? And people that listen to our
Speaker 2: live call and Elimination Chamber were enthralled. I was going
Speaker 2: through the feedback and preparation for this, so many memories
Speaker 2: flooding back from that live call, and how how hyped
Speaker 2: people were that they had done something so ballsy and
Speaker 2: something so third rail. And now here we are and
Speaker 2: it's a reminder of why it used to be better
Speaker 2: in so many ways. But we're going to take a
Speaker 2: closer look soon. Jeff did right to us, Sina should
Speaker 2: show up with Megan markele Wait, what was that again?
Speaker 2: Sena should show up with Megan Markel, he said, doing
Speaker 2: a subtle, but patronizing, holier than now Hollywood lecturing gimmick.
Speaker 2: That's the best way Markle has of drawing viewers these days.
Speaker 2: Would also help her public persona by pretending that she's
Speaker 2: actually got some self awareness. She would be a wonderful
Speaker 2: pro wrestling valet. Yeah, I can see that. I can
Speaker 2: see it right now. It's better than Travis Scott, who
Speaker 2: we haven't heard a single thing from after being part
Speaker 2: of that supposedly iconic tableau in Toronto. You know, like
Speaker 2: he was going to be some inexplicable part of the thing.
Speaker 2: He'll probably be at maniacause I think he's performing. They
Speaker 2: announced that months and months before he participated in the
Speaker 2: in the Angle. But my god, I haven't seen Dwayne
Speaker 2: since come on Fox. I mean it's just a you know,
Speaker 2: I'm going through this feedback and everyone's like, oh, and
Speaker 2: then Dwayne can have got you know, corrupted him or
Speaker 2: brainwashed him or they've been working at all long and
Speaker 2: now everything Dwayne's been saying and doing makes sense. Haven't
Speaker 2: heard a fucking peep, my god, since it went down,
Speaker 2: not a peep. Unbelievable, And yeah, why, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever get with him, and you
Speaker 2: never get the answer, right because he comes up with
Speaker 2: this like, you know, this shiny version of the story
Speaker 2: that everyone parrots, you know, and I mean he's he
Speaker 2: kind of you know, and he kind of reminds me
Speaker 2: of of of Danny DeVito in and Get Shorty. You know,
Speaker 2: he comes in and so it's like, you know, there,
Speaker 2: there's they set up this. There's a scene in the
Speaker 2: movie where they set up this uh this lunch at
Speaker 2: or breakfast or whatever at the ivy in of course,
Speaker 2: of course, right and so you know, but they're at
Speaker 2: in there this meal and Danny DeVito comes in and
Speaker 2: he's this big movie star actor and whatever, and he
Speaker 2: kind of orders the food for everybody, even though they
Speaker 2: don't want it. He orders a bunch of food for everybody,
Speaker 2: even though and it's like like everyone's like, no, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't want that, but he orders it anyway, and
Speaker 2: then he has like two bites and he leaves and
Speaker 2: they're stuck with everything else they didn't want. That's the rock.
Speaker 2: Love it. That's awesome. The rock is Martin Weir. For
Speaker 2: those who know Get Shorty, Wow, Get Cool or I
Speaker 2: guess it would be get shortens. Get be cool, be cool, No,
Speaker 2: be cool as a sequel to get shortens. Ha Uh,
Speaker 2: nobody's nobody. Want to thank you for the pledge. You're
Speaker 2: somebody somebody to us pal brother, Thanks for the cake.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Jeff also writes plus one for
Speaker 2: the use of the phrase greasy carneyes, with no disrespect
Speaker 2: intended for proper old school carneies. There is a difference
Speaker 2: circus carneyes. He writes, work together to work the marks.
Speaker 2: Wrestling carnies work each other to avoid having to work
Speaker 2: the marks. Yes, I like that quite a bit. We
Speaker 2: want to. I want to thank Josh for sending us
Speaker 2: pictures of Randy Savage as cabbage. I think that Randy Cabbage.
Speaker 2: You got me. I can't believe that I didn't get that.
Speaker 2: Did we did? We have a hole dissertation on that
Speaker 2: at some point. I don't know. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: remember him as cabbage, you know, I saw. I will
Speaker 2: say that is one solid use for AI image generation
Speaker 2: is when someone says something that absurd and you can
Speaker 2: produce a picture like I just sent to you. It's
Speaker 2: the it's the it's the mouth. Yeah, he looks like
Speaker 2: he's struggling. It's always what you don't expect. It's always
Speaker 2: the it's always a feature you don't think. We'll tell
Speaker 2: the story that m is the thrust of the Homeandy cabbage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's about Eric turning here, eating it, getting it boiled,
Speaker 2: working further that boiled. Didn't know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Ohad cabbage in the the corn beef, working it up,
Speaker 4: working it inside out. If you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 4: Randy cabbage, delicious. Steve, our friend in Ireland, says, listening
Speaker 4: to Boss describe an Irish breakfast sandwich and have to
Speaker 4: wonder do Americans think the Irish eat corn beef?
Speaker 2: We do, Yes, we do. Think that's it. That's all
Speaker 2: you eat. You mean you eat corn, beef, cabbage and potatoes.
Speaker 2: That's all you eat. He says. If the co Chairs
Speaker 2: ever travel to Dublin, they will have to be treated
Speaker 2: to a real full Irish breakfast at the pub. Please,
Speaker 2: I don't want. I hate corn beef and cabbage like
Speaker 2: the fucking I can't stand it. I despise now. I
Speaker 2: despise a boiled dinner. I despise it, despise it. I
Speaker 2: remember I was I was in high school and the
Speaker 2: girl I was dating, like I went over to her
Speaker 2: parents' house for the first time and met them for
Speaker 2: the first time, and they make her mom makes a
Speaker 2: boiled dinner and I was like, what the fuck? And
Speaker 2: it's just the most blandest, tasteless. It's like, what, why bother?
Speaker 2: Why bother? It just ruins the flavor of everything. Can't
Speaker 2: stand it, hate it, hate it so much? Water still present,
Speaker 2: I know, right, And it's just like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like you've basically like cleaned out all of the fucking
Speaker 2: you took it. You cleaned it right exactly. You cleaned
Speaker 2: off the flavor is what you did? You know? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean we had like it was. It was boiled
Speaker 2: hamd boiled potatoes and fucking oh, it's just vile. Like
Speaker 2: just shoot me, that's awesome. I quite like it. But
Speaker 2: and Nesten, I'm listen. Hey, it's it's popular. You know
Speaker 2: you should. You should go to my parents' house every
Speaker 2: fucking yes, I want it so bad, go ahead, get it.
Speaker 2: Yeh see he gets see. I like the actmath because
Speaker 2: I make corn beef fash out of the Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you like that though, interesting. I love cornbi fash and
Speaker 2: I like corn beef. I don't like the boiled fucking dinner.
Speaker 2: I see, like it's that whole thing that just like corny,
Speaker 2: the cabbage and potatoes and all that other shit. It's like,
Speaker 2: I just have no It's like it sucks. Man, Steve says,
Speaker 2: Get the jumbo breakfast, roll a full Irish and a
Speaker 2: French breadbag. Add a Dublin specialty. Count me done, done,
Speaker 2: Count me in. It's done. I'm there. You don't have
Speaker 2: to fucking convince me. Stop arguing with me, exactly. I
Speaker 2: know I'm one step ahead of you actually in terms
Speaker 2: of things. But he writes on Eric Bischoff's He'll Turn,
Speaker 2: I think the major difference between Heal Vince and Heal
Speaker 2: Eric is that Heal Eric never went anywhere. He'll Vince
Speaker 2: went from hating his world champion to becoming obsessed with
Speaker 2: seeing him destroyed. That's true, Heal Eric, just like I'm
Speaker 2: wearing jeans now, and that's the extent of my character. Well,
Speaker 2: and I think too much like much like the whole
Speaker 2: Cogan thing, there's a lot of real life circumstances that
Speaker 2: makes Vince McMahon a better heel Because you're also talking
Speaker 2: about you know what was one of the great things
Speaker 2: about about the early days of the Austin mcmahonson right
Speaker 2: after WrestleMania was the whole thing about him trying to
Speaker 2: make Steve Austin to the corporate champion. Yeah, right, because
Speaker 2: that I don't know about you, but for me, it
Speaker 2: made me think of Kevin Nash. It made me think
Speaker 2: of the whole Kevin Nash thing. They watered him down,
Speaker 2: like like, you know, you look at him and and
Speaker 2: Nash was great beforehand because he was a badass. Then
Speaker 2: he becomes champion and becomes the top babyface, and he
Speaker 2: becomes a piece of shit, and he becomes just a goof.
Speaker 2: And those last months before he left the company, he
Speaker 2: circles back around and gets in fastive about that, Like
Speaker 2: that went through my mind when that was happening. I
Speaker 2: remember being horrified and so nervous, yes about that, even
Speaker 2: though it's like it's so it's amazing how they were
Speaker 2: able to get you. Yeah, you know, because I sat
Speaker 2: there like horrified that they were actually going to do
Speaker 2: this to Steve Austin. Right, there was no way in
Speaker 2: hell they were gonna actually do that to Steve Austin.
Speaker 2: The whole point was that he was a fucking badass.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, no, they went with it. They went all
Speaker 2: the way because, unlike with Diesel, Vince was willing to
Speaker 2: be the heel. It wasn't just Diesel voicing frustration, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure somewhere Vince's head would make him the heel
Speaker 2: to be so disenchanted with the circumstances that, you know,
Speaker 2: to Vince, anyone who's ever complained about their working conditions
Speaker 2: was a heel in his head. You know, so someone
Speaker 2: complaining about their working conditions and wrestling is going to
Speaker 2: be healed to the fans as well. It's no telling
Speaker 2: where the Kevin Nash character would have gone had he
Speaker 2: not jumped to WCW N ninety six. But that's where
Speaker 2: it was headed a little for a little while there,
Speaker 2: And you know, acknowledging Vince's the owner of the first
Speaker 2: character to really acknowledge Vince's the owner was Kevin Nash.
Speaker 2: You make a good point. Did Kevin Nash walk so
Speaker 2: stone Cold could run? Yeah? I mean I would say
Speaker 2: in many ways. In many ways, yeah, Bischoff just like
Speaker 2: did his smile and hung with Hogan and then feuded
Speaker 2: with Larry. But it's true, he didn't he didn't have
Speaker 2: a goal in mind, and and so. But but you know,
Speaker 2: but again there's also just the history because I think
Speaker 2: people people were frustrated with Vin sick Mann as they
Speaker 2: were with hul Kogan. Yeah, they weren't frustrated with Eric.
Speaker 2: They didn't really have any There's no right. Eric wasn't
Speaker 2: that guy. Eric wasn't presented as being as much of
Speaker 2: a presence in the past. I mean, Vince snick manhn
Speaker 2: did that fucking awful dance. You'll stand back, go right,
Speaker 2: you know, like this is stuff that sticks in the
Speaker 2: minds of fans because there's there's a long there's a
Speaker 2: long time that the steroid trial. There's a long love
Speaker 2: hate relationship with the fans in Vin sick Man that
Speaker 2: is present, and that's what made him a more effective
Speaker 2: heel because I think about two not only Kevin Nash.
Speaker 2: He had fucking you know, obviously the Brett thing. He
Speaker 2: had a fucking hockey fight with Brett in the summer
Speaker 2: ninety seven. Remember that, that's right, pulled a fucking hockey
Speaker 2: jersey over his head, right, Yeah, good point. Yeah, these
Speaker 2: were all things Bischoff and never even came close to
Speaker 2: doing before he turned the heel. He was just an announcer,
Speaker 2: you know, Colin Nitro calling out Vince and being afraid
Speaker 2: of the nWo like everybody else for a little while.
Speaker 2: But he never he never did an angle before that.
Speaker 2: He never, you know, other wrestlers didn't really call him
Speaker 2: out before that. And right in the same way, even
Speaker 2: the even the Brian Pillman and I respect you Bookerman
Speaker 2: thing you know, that was that was corrected to Kevin
Speaker 2: Sullivan is the boss of WCW. Even when they did
Speaker 2: shoot style angles. There wasn't even Bischoff that they were
Speaker 2: necessarily calling out in WCW. They were calling him out
Speaker 2: on ECW TV, but that's neither here or there. Ludy
Speaker 2: Seve Austin putting a jet black wig on and pretending
Speaker 2: to be Eric Bischoff one time in he CW. That
Speaker 2: was something the big Buluski want to thank you very
Speaker 2: much for a big ball donation and pledge on Patreon.
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. My friend Brett writes boy with a
Speaker 2: in for an insomnia curing surprise with that Scena promo,
Speaker 2: he literally did the complete opposite of everything they predicted.
Speaker 2: Can't wait to get more into that. Mm william makes
Speaker 2: a great point on World War three ninety six, where
Speaker 2: Dusty Roads was on commentary, the word salad coming out
Speaker 2: of Dusty is only matched by the potato salad going in.
Speaker 2: Steve writes, Hello, co Chairs, while listening to World War
Speaker 2: three ninety six episode in your opinions, When NBO started
Speaker 2: to pick and become an albatross, I would like you
Speaker 2: to consider their biggest problem was Hulk Hogan. When I
Speaker 2: rewatched the nWo nitros on the network, I could not
Speaker 2: get over how much of a hangover on Hogan. A
Speaker 2: hangar on rather Hogan seems to be to the much
Speaker 2: cooler Hall of Nash. Hogan, instead of coming off as
Speaker 2: the leader of a takeover, comes across as a father
Speaker 2: having a midlife crisis, resorting to buying the high school
Speaker 2: senior's beer so he can go to their parties and
Speaker 2: chat up eighteen year olds. Yeah but I don't mind that. Actually, Wow,
Speaker 2: that works for me. That doesn't bother me, because that's
Speaker 2: kind of what he was. Yeah, that's kind of what
Speaker 2: he was, and it's it's true. And and the thing is,
Speaker 2: the nWo is not supposed to be cool. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: forget that it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be
Speaker 2: an enemy. It's supposed to be something that hate that
Speaker 2: you hate. If they just let Scott Hall go out
Speaker 2: there and act like nothing, that he didn't care about
Speaker 2: anything and be sarcastic forever, it would have died in
Speaker 2: six months. Rights not that the idea is that you
Speaker 2: hate hul Cogan and I'll never forget, like even rewatching
Speaker 2: because you know, you get in your mind of the nWo.
Speaker 2: Like everyone was cheering the nWo, and yes they were cool.
Speaker 2: They were cheering the kind of cool as there were
Speaker 2: cities that cho and listen, they're chanting, they're cheering for
Speaker 2: Nash and they're cheering for Hall. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what what whatever, especially in ninety six, Hogan would have
Speaker 2: the main event interview situation whenever he was on Nitro.
Speaker 2: That was kind of the thing. And he got boot
Speaker 2: out of the There was no popularity there, there was
Speaker 2: no people weren't cheering and they were booing the shit
Speaker 2: out of it. And the reason the nWo angle worked
Speaker 2: like it did wasn't just because Hall and Nash were cool.
Speaker 2: It was because people wanted to see WCW come back.
Speaker 2: And if all it was was Kevin National Scott All
Speaker 2: acting like they're in a Tupac video. It wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: work right again. See this is this is exactly it too.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if people realize, much like Twin Peaks,
Speaker 2: you don't you you don't want what you think you
Speaker 2: want right. You don't realize it at the time, but
Speaker 2: you actually want w CW to win. You want them
Speaker 2: to win. You don't, but you're you're kind of blinded
Speaker 2: by the the the kind of shiny thing ingenuity of
Speaker 2: this new thing, but never you know, it's like a
Speaker 2: brand new, shiny thing you've never even thought you'd see.
Speaker 2: The proof is in the pudding. When they turned the
Speaker 2: entire show over to them, the ratings tanked, the pay
Speaker 2: per view devoted to WO sucked, and no one bought
Speaker 2: it relatively speaking to other shows. Yep, they kept it
Speaker 2: going on for like four years. Yeah, It's just there
Speaker 2: was never a proof point where they leaned into that
Speaker 2: direction where people said, yes, finally this is the nWo
Speaker 2: show and not WCW. That's what I've been waiting for.
Speaker 2: No one wanted that, even if they told themselves they
Speaker 2: wanted it. When they did it. No one cared and
Speaker 2: it was actually a deterrent. It was a turn off.
Speaker 2: That's a wonderful point. So Hogan, instead of coming off
Speaker 2: as the leader he writes of takeover comes across to
Speaker 2: the father mid life crisis. Yep. Most of the perception
Speaker 2: the nWo is cool comes off from Hall in Nashville.
Speaker 2: Hogan segment just come off as verbal masturbation. Well, no,
Speaker 2: it's Sting. It's it's about him being the giant that
Speaker 2: Sting is going to slagh. You know, do you think
Speaker 2: Sting doing the whole thing he did brooding in the
Speaker 2: balcony would have worked if he was coming after Kevin
Speaker 2: Nash the whole time. No, that's not as big a
Speaker 2: match at the end. Big. They'd also played out the
Speaker 2: idea that he and Hogan were friends, right, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I I you gotta to me. The idea
Speaker 2: is you've always got to remember you know again, nWo
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a heel faction, right, That's what
Speaker 2: it was. We forget that. I forget it, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know I again I bring up that
Speaker 2: Hogan the Hogan may have been interviews on Nitro as
Speaker 2: like because I'd like why aren't they cheering hok Hogan
Speaker 2: As I'm rewatching this, I'm like right, I thought they
Speaker 2: fucking loved him after this, and like, no, they don't
Speaker 2: love him. They still think of it as a heel
Speaker 2: But Kevin Nash and Scott Hall brought something different. They
Speaker 2: brought that kind of edgy anti hero popularity. Hogan was
Speaker 2: a plain old chicken shit heel See writes this all
Speaker 2: could have been avoided if the third man was Sting.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sting would have been the perfect enemy,
Speaker 2: he writes, with it within to lead an nWo takeover.
Speaker 2: Sting had stayed loyal at WCW, even when he was
Speaker 2: downgraded from top star when Hogan came in, and once
Speaker 2: more when Savage came along. He was not even at
Speaker 2: friend of the top star level. For part of ninety six,
Speaker 2: he was even feuding over the TV belt he had
Speaker 2: graduated from in eighty nine. Sting was a victim of
Speaker 2: ww politics, perhaps invited two former ww wrestlers, Holl and Nash,
Speaker 2: who went to shut to start him in WWF after
Speaker 2: finding nothing but barriers and ceilings in their way in WCW,
Speaker 2: to come in with the knowledge of how to destroy
Speaker 2: a system that had wrung them all, now having Hogan
Speaker 2: be decimated to dash at the beach and take time
Speaker 2: off to let the fans suffer from absence, making the
Speaker 2: heart grow fonder before coming back as the Avenging Angel
Speaker 2: leading an army against an nWo trio. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think so. Yeah, I don't think you're underestimating how
Speaker 2: much of why Sting was so electric was because he
Speaker 2: was mister w CW before he went prow And not
Speaker 2: only that, what made Hogan, what made the heel turn
Speaker 2: so money and so important and so right at the time,
Speaker 2: was because the fans were booing Hulk Hogan's act already anyway.
Speaker 2: That's what made it works. Imp clamoring crost the legacy.
Speaker 2: No one ever clamored for Sting to become a heel,
Speaker 2: like that's the thing Sting. Sting is for some reason.
Speaker 2: You know, there are there are these people perennial baby
Speaker 2: for some fucking reason can be perennial babyfaces. Nobody in
Speaker 2: their right mind is ever gonna Boosting. I don't get
Speaker 2: it sometimes I don't get joke or TNA. Sting was
Speaker 2: cheered over Hogan, eve Ye and Ricky Steamboat the same
Speaker 2: fucking thing. You could never make Ricky steamboat a fucking heel.
Speaker 2: It's just no one wants to bow them. And so
Speaker 2: that's the thing. If people had been tired of stings
Speaker 2: surfer gimmick and they were like, I'm ready to fucking
Speaker 2: but they loved him. They loved him. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we worked hard and stuff and he was exciting, you know,
Speaker 2: So you had that and just a ship promo. But
Speaker 2: that's that's the difference. And I and listen, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that a sting leed nWo wouldn't be interesting. I
Speaker 2: just it would not have made the money that Yeah,
Speaker 2: no fucking way. Just it would be awkward for Hogan
Speaker 2: to fly the flag because Sting was the one agreed.
Speaker 2: Sting was the one embodying WCW when Hogan was the
Speaker 2: top guys business across the pond in WWI. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we appreciate it. Stuvee, that's some thought provoking stuff. No
Speaker 2: pointless members, we can agree with that. No one ever,
Speaker 2: oh defends adding pointless members of the nWo. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: I agree. You don't need fucking Mike Rotundo and fucking nWo.
Speaker 2: Oh that's ridiculous. Come and to appreciate Corey more and more.
Speaker 2: He's our homie in Winnipeg who is a fan of
Speaker 2: a deeper vintage than ours. And whenever we've got questions
Speaker 2: about early to mid eighties, which can be a foggy
Speaker 2: time period for US man as you fill it in,
Speaker 2: it's not often, he says, but I have to disagree
Speaker 2: with our co chairs. This is when we were talking
Speaker 2: about how Piper's ninety six WCW run was like some
Speaker 2: of his best stuff. Oh yeah, he says, eighty four
Speaker 2: eighty six Pipers by far his best run. I love
Speaker 2: the Heevers heel tag matches they ran in eighty five
Speaker 2: eighty six as well. Shek and Volkoff also wrestle the
Speaker 2: Heart Foundation and the Funks around that time. This is
Speaker 2: of course a comment on our Colsseum home video thing
Speaker 2: as well. The Killer Bees wrestled the US Express by
Speaker 2: Vibertuendo American Express for as well. Beef Kick and Valentine
Speaker 2: talk about the cheek Volkov match and shoot interviews and
Speaker 2: how over they were. And so he's he's with a
Speaker 2: eighty four eighty six Piper, which you know, God, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's where his bones are made. That's his real question,
Speaker 2: no question, I just to me, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think we both agree on this. It's the nonsensical
Speaker 2: promos that just kind of bother me, like they just
Speaker 2: keep going on and on, which I know that's kind
Speaker 2: of his thing. Coked out. Yeah, Like it's just like
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a little much for me personally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's always a home run. Back then, it's
Speaker 2: it's one thing to watch the lou Albano smash the
Speaker 2: record Angle and the fucking Jimmy Snooker Piper's Pit and
Speaker 2: the Dave Wolf Cindy Lapper Piper's Pit. But there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff in there that was kind of just
Speaker 2: like meandering to your point, a lot of like local
Speaker 2: market promos. You watch him do back then, you're just like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck did he just say? Like he just
Speaker 2: he just made all kinds of gestures and squeaky noises
Speaker 2: and stuff. But I feel like that by the mid
Speaker 2: nineties and the w Stubby Bear in particular, he he
Speaker 2: went to that ring not only knowing what he wanted
Speaker 2: to say, but how to say it in a way
Speaker 2: that was like coogin but didn't lose that element of
Speaker 2: Pip Piper imprectability, but you still gut the message across.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just felt like he was a more.
Speaker 2: He was a more, He's a deeper character there. Corey
Speaker 2: also writes, you guys talked about Hogan's debut of the
Speaker 2: Real American theme song a few shows ago. Yes we did.
Speaker 2: I'men discussing the wrestling album as part of the Slamy
Speaker 2: Award show that December thirtieth match, which, as you recall,
Speaker 2: Boss we ascertained that the first time Hulk Hogan came
Speaker 2: to the ring to Real American was December thirty, nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five at Madison Square Garden against Macho Man Y
Speaker 2: was vers Savage MSG. Hogan loses by count. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: that's right, Hogan loses the first time he ever uses
Speaker 2: Real American. That's something I always appreciate that. Yes, so
Speaker 2: Bez is among the others to point out that Bischoff
Speaker 2: explained that after Nash power bomb him, he had an
Speaker 2: epiphany and decided to become part of the nWo rather
Speaker 2: than getting destroyed by them. This was the same segment,
Speaker 2: he writes where he gave all WCW wrestlers an Ultimadium
Speaker 2: in November twenty fifth, nineteen nineties. Nitro yes, very much so.
Speaker 2: He also says that he likes the scene of suggestions,
Speaker 2: but considering the in cell fans nowadays beating up Nikki
Speaker 2: Bella might turn see a face again, Aced acts with
Speaker 2: a wonderful line, how many cows died the story of
Speaker 2: Dusty Rhodes, Chris says other podcasts, this week we are
Speaker 2: looking at WCW World War three. The first one. Here
Speaker 2: is the exact order of eliminations, where the announcers made mistakes,
Speaker 2: and how we would have booked the match the lapsed fan.
Speaker 2: This week we are finally doing World War three. Here's
Speaker 2: what's wrong with Queen of the Ring and this and
Speaker 2: this is proof that Craig Leathers edits his own Wikipedia page.
Speaker 2: I love you guys, he says, we love you too. Holler,
Speaker 2: that's correct, that is correct. Listen and everything gets included.
Speaker 2: Adam points out something interesting I hadn't noticed. He said.
Speaker 2: One weird thing that Piper would do in promos going
Speaker 2: back to years was lie about how many kids he had,
Speaker 2: saying he had six. That's strange. Why would you do
Speaker 2: that if having a fuck ton of kids was all
Speaker 2: it took, he writes, to be a top guy. Rocky
Speaker 2: Johnson would have been the big straw of the century.
Speaker 2: That's funny. So that is funny. Corey comes back. Remember
Speaker 2: when Gorilla had made reference on one of the Colisseum
Speaker 2: Collection matches to Ken Peterra having retired him. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were like, what is that? Yes, didn't know about this angle. Ken,
Speaker 2: he writes, had a title match against Backland Bob Eckland,
Speaker 2: so this would have been his late seventies early eighties run.
Speaker 2: About twenty minutes into the match, Petera grabs the mic
Speaker 2: and stand off of the announced desk. He ends up
Speaker 2: clubbing Gorilla. Backland gets the mic away from Ken and
Speaker 2: blasts him, and then Gorilla gets into chop Petera. This
Speaker 2: leads to a match between Petera and Gorilla. Ken wins
Speaker 2: and Gorilla retires. He has a couple of matches after that,
Speaker 2: but that was the end of his full time career. Wow.
Speaker 2: The date August twenty third, nineteen eighty So do you
Speaker 2: even know about that? We'll have to look that one up.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. As always, can count on Corey to
Speaker 2: fill in the gaps from that time period in particular,
Speaker 2: A tool Belt for Daddy writes on Patreon regarding why
Speaker 2: Land of a Thousand Dances because we asked why of
Speaker 2: all the songs? I think he's good theory. I think
Speaker 2: Vince likes just the no no no no noah of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bruce Pritchard has told a story about how much he
Speaker 2: loves the old Nanna Kiss some goodbye song chant, and
Speaker 2: this is pretty close. Tool Belt also adds, I love
Speaker 2: this version of Vince that did comedy. It's clearly having
Speaker 2: fun creating this stuff. It is infectious, like when he's
Speaker 2: doing TNT and this, you know, some of these more
Speaker 2: foolish and outlandish things. His sense of humor is kind
Speaker 2: of it's really stupid, but it's kind of fun to
Speaker 2: watch him like try not to laugh, you know, and
Speaker 2: try to keep that straight man look about him while
Speaker 2: holding the mic, and the insanity is enveloping all around him.
Speaker 2: But it's just I don't know, it's a lot. He
Speaker 2: does a lot of it. It's not one segment a
Speaker 2: month or whatever. It's fucking entire show is like all
Speaker 2: this high jinks and a little wrestling. It's really really
Speaker 2: it really smacks someone who's trying to be someone who's
Speaker 2: not you know, yes, or trying to appeal to an
Speaker 2: audience he doesn't have. Zachary Cole, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for your increase in pledge. We really appreciate it. We
Speaker 2: got some sound from the from the field boss. We
Speaker 2: know that the lapsed wife is a thing. Tell him
Speaker 2: about the shirt. Oh fuck yeah, I mean listen, that's
Speaker 2: the one. If you are are married, and you've got
Speaker 2: and you've got a wife who questions why you listen
Speaker 2: to this shit, you get them a lapsed wife shirt
Speaker 2: because it says right underneath, why are you laughing? This
Speaker 2: isn't funny. That is the catchphrase and the the slogan
Speaker 2: of the lapsed wife. All right, they don't know why
Speaker 2: you listen to us. They certainly don't understand why you're
Speaker 2: laughing at us because we're not funny. I understand. Listen,
Speaker 2: you know my wife doesn't think I'm nearly as funny
Speaker 2: as I am. Right, no wife does, exactly, and it
Speaker 2: cludes Marshall's wife because uh she. He sent some rather
Speaker 2: amusing audio of I think what probably stands as a
Speaker 2: very typical spousal interaction around the pod. Here he is
Speaker 2: my lovely girlfriend.
Speaker 4: I asked her, I told her about wrestling.
Speaker 3: I thought about the John c n He'll turn and.
Speaker 2: What did you say about wrestling? Georgina, So movies on
Speaker 2: TV shows?
Speaker 4: Why is this worse?
Speaker 1: It's just more fake?
Speaker 2: Yes, I rest my case. Yes it's more fake. That's
Speaker 2: a good share. Actually, all right, that's a good it's
Speaker 2: more why why is it'd be like you ask the
Speaker 2: question why is wrestling? Yeah? Why do you why do
Speaker 2: you dislike wrestling more than TV and movies? Right, it's
Speaker 2: more fake, yes, Bingo, speaking of much Lucky Lagucci doubled
Speaker 2: that pledge. We appreciate it. Random, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for that cake. It's awesome. We appreciate it. Richard writes
Speaker 2: greetings to JP while putting on some background noise while
Speaker 2: working on a model. I had to stop as the
Speaker 2: video was talking about Godzilla or Space Godzilla from nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four, due to the revelation that the sued actor
Speaker 2: for Little Godzilla was a pro wrestler. Oh boy. I
Speaker 2: also found out that this is not the first timely Yeah,
Speaker 2: a pro wrestler was a sued actor, as the show
Speaker 2: Era Films used one for Godzilla First Child Manila, we
Speaker 2: get do we get a name? While most of the
Speaker 2: movies with Godzilla's offspring are bad, Godzilla movies are some
Speaker 2: of my earliest childhood memories. I would love to hear
Speaker 2: you give the cinemat treatment to any of the movies.
Speaker 2: Yes please. I also would ask Godzilla to a flying
Speaker 2: drop kick is seen in Gonzillaver's Megaton count. I mean
Speaker 2: there's one, and let me see here he's got. There's
Speaker 2: one that I would fucking like. It's my all time
Speaker 2: favorite Godzilla movie and it's King Kong versus Godza. Is
Speaker 2: it really from nineteen sixty three? So fucking great? Thatches
Speaker 2: two pictures, one of Masau little man Machan Fukuzawa, who
Speaker 2: is the suit actor in Manila, and one of Masanobu
Speaker 2: little Frankie Okamoto, who is a suit actor in Little Godzilla.
Speaker 2: So that's wow. Two potential cinemat connections to get Godzilla going.
Speaker 2: Maybe a Godzilla journey coming. Oh my god, you imagine
Speaker 2: back to Tokyo we go? Right? What's that? What's the
Speaker 2: name again? Oh geez, I lost it with your names.
Speaker 2: We'll pull it up some other time. Correy also writes
Speaker 2: Albano managed Andre and eighty five, who were like, what's
Speaker 2: the tie between Andre and Albano that they're talking about?
Speaker 2: That one's there was the big MSG match who writes
Speaker 2: versus Bundy is with Lou in the corner. Andre has
Speaker 2: back to back Saturday Night's main event tag matches Verus
Speaker 2: stud and Bundy with Albano in his corner. I remember
Speaker 2: those matches, but I did not remember that little Banno
Speaker 2: was in Andre's corner for them. Plus Albano managed the
Speaker 2: machines right which had Andre in it. That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Joe from Chicago and hey, JP and Jack currently listening
Speaker 2: to the Exorcist episode of Under the Cinemat that's wrong,
Speaker 2: while Ago that's that's yeah, that's some Halloween shit. Right
Speaker 2: there after we say it's incredible, and he's right about you. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think I've texted my mom and several uncles about
Speaker 2: their experiencing it in theaters, just because of the little
Speaker 2: bits and pieces they've told me over the years. Also
Speaker 2: the fact that Friedkin more or less got his confidence
Speaker 2: from watching Chicago wrestling made me smile. It's right, yeah, Yes,
Speaker 2: I live in the hollowed Holls, the grounds of Schomberg
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Jimmy Barnett might be the real Forest Gump,
Speaker 2: as he was probably working for Kohler at the time.
Speaker 2: That's true, he was thanks for all the shout outs
Speaker 2: for my suburban home one. Would you ever consider putting
Speaker 2: the episode on the main feed so I can share it,
Speaker 2: I can make a donation. What do you think that's
Speaker 2: a no act? Maybe I don't know. Maybe some point,
Speaker 2: probably at some point i'd do what you see say, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe in the fall, because it definitely, I mean especially
Speaker 2: because for the connections alone, the connections alone are just
Speaker 2: so fucking yeah, those are deep, especially the last one.
Speaker 2: The last one is just the fucking greatest thing too. Also,
Speaker 2: I've been kicking around the idea of getting the Captain
Speaker 2: Howdy tattoo, but I feel that maybe invite unnecessary bad juju,
Speaker 2: if you will. In in my life, I don't have
Speaker 2: that strong of a religious conviction at all. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. Something makes me think twice, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: where that I can tell whe that comes from? For real, though,
Speaker 2: you guys have helped me through the last year and
Speaker 2: a half of ups and downs. Luckily I have it
Speaker 2: all together with great kids in a pretty cool life.
Speaker 2: But just I think you guys know how much you
Speaker 2: mean to people. But I just want to say it again.
Speaker 2: My four year old wanted to watch the match with
Speaker 2: all the girl pro wrestlers aka Woman's Rumble. I also
Speaker 2: apologize for being a bitch and dropping tears on Patreon.
Speaker 2: Never apologize for this, folks. I mean, the bitch thing
Speaker 2: is for people. When we say that, we're talking about
Speaker 2: people who judge, people who pay for the show. We're
Speaker 2: not talking about people can't afford to pay for the show.
Speaker 2: It's not long, right, right, right, right right. But I
Speaker 2: have done a lot of program I've done a lot
Speaker 2: of growing up in the last year, and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get my shit together, he writes, and rectifying some
Speaker 2: of my past financial mistakes. However, I believe it is
Speaker 2: my duty is a good goddamn American to pay for art,
Speaker 2: and you gentlemen make art. That's correct, Joe, thank you
Speaker 2: for everything, and praise be to the Warlord. Will praise
Speaker 2: be to you son. It's great to have you in
Speaker 2: our corner. Carlo writes to us. I got the Wrestling
Speaker 2: album in nineteen eighty six. I played it on my
Speaker 2: family room record player. My ever loving parents did not
Speaker 2: care for it. My mom said grab them cakes was inappropriate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jeff says, Martha Quinn is a certain kind of hot
Speaker 2: that only existed in the nineteen eighties. Is that true? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the way they were writing about her, she was like
Speaker 2: like girlfriend material. And I'm not saying she's not a
Speaker 2: pretty woman, but yeah, it's definitely it's very eighties. He
Speaker 2: appeal is very eighties. Sure, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: It was almost like you wanted like the kind of
Speaker 2: like the shy, bashful quality about you two at that time.
Speaker 2: It was it is very eighties, you know, like the
Speaker 2: girl who ends up at the party but didn't really
Speaker 2: want to go, but everybody's still somehowever, that all the
Speaker 2: attention is on her even though she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: be there. But she's not acting hip about it, she's
Speaker 2: acting bashful about it. You know. Work rate Midget rights
Speaker 2: to us. I've received the wrestling album for Christmas. I
Speaker 2: also recall getting the WWF calendar in the figures. He says,
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl shuffle is still played at Chicago Land weddings. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's got to be something. Dan. Thank you very much
Speaker 2: for your pledge, my friend, we appreciate it. Welcome in,
Speaker 2: David writes, Vince McMahon is uncautionably one of the most
Speaker 2: painfully unfunny people in history. Yeah, I can't disagree. Wow,
Speaker 2: he's awful. He's a fucking drizzling shit. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: getting paid to laugh at his jokes for thirty years?
Speaker 2: But that does to a person. Oh, there's nothing left,
Speaker 2: just a husk of a man. David has a great question.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can feel this one, boss,
Speaker 2: I'd appreciate your thoughts. Is it safe to say that
Speaker 2: the WWE is a dota driven enterprise? Oh? Absolutely? Why
Speaker 2: why are we so quick to answer? Well, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm a data for all my father, so how could
Speaker 2: he not be a data driven enterprise?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But it definitely. Listen, I mean, look, we're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll put up the U. I mean, think
Speaker 2: about this dada Ism, okay, is and the establishment it
Speaker 2: is you know it right there from the get go.
Speaker 2: It defines it defines wrestling, all right, you know you.
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: I mean here the Wikipedia right here Wikipedia entry says
Speaker 2: this within the umbrella of the movement, the Dada movement.
Speaker 2: People used a wide variety of artistic forms to protest
Speaker 2: the logic. Reason it does protest logic, aestheticism of modern
Speaker 2: capitalism and modern war god wrestling right there. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: I mean both embrace randomness. Yeah, both reject narrative logic. Yes,
Speaker 2: both see art is live expression. Yep. Both critique society,
Speaker 2: and both are in many ways anti art. It's right.
Speaker 2: So while ww might not intentionally be data, it does
Speaker 2: share Dada's spirit. It does. It is datast in nature.
Speaker 2: It blurs the boundary stream real and fake. That's right.
Speaker 2: Thank you Mark Hutchinson for that pledge. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: My friend. Welcome into the Patreon universe, Eric Wright. Cindy
Speaker 2: Lauper only tolerating wrestling because of her boyfriend, like every
Speaker 2: single woman in the history of exports, so totally totally
Speaker 2: don't talking about that. How she kind of all right
Speaker 2: if you want, if you say so, Dave Jack Gillespie,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for that ep level tier appreciated deeply.
Speaker 2: Ellis writes, I'm sure it's been discussed, but my old
Speaker 2: brain doesn't work. The whole Cogan theme was later reworked,
Speaker 2: that's right, into ravishing by Bonnie Tyler. Yes, if you
Speaker 2: listen to the roots of Dada lie in pre war
Speaker 2: avant guard All right, confirmed. Isn't that the text at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the Colosseum videos. H it began five
Speaker 2: billion years ago? Say the roots of da again? What
Speaker 2: did you just say?
Speaker 6: It began over five billion years ago. Yes, the roots
Speaker 6: of Dada lay in pre war avant garde Cubism, and
Speaker 6: the development of Clark and abstract art would inform the
Speaker 6: movement's detachment from the constraints of reality and convention.
Speaker 2: That's wrestling right there. It is removed from the concerts
Speaker 2: of wrestling. Isn't that right, Kim Wood? That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: You know what time it is reality challenged. I feel
Speaker 2: sorry for the fuckers that are in pro wrestling fixed sports.
Speaker 3: He said it.
Speaker 2: He said it two words. He said the two words
Speaker 2: back to back, just as we would like God. That's it,
Speaker 2: William Does meatloads get that? Does meat loaf drumming on
Speaker 2: stage at the Slammies make rocky horror? U t c
Speaker 2: ELEGI I I don't, I don't, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't want to say yes. I'll tell you what I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what Here's the thing? Was meat Loaf the
Speaker 2: drummer for the album? Yeah, not the whole thing, but
Speaker 2: that track. I think meat Loaf qualifies. Wow, you're saying
Speaker 2: Rocky Horror may becoming scary movie season. I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of story there with us, I mean out there, total,
Speaker 2: my god, absolutely, meat Loaf not the food. Let's see here.
Speaker 2: What does that include here? Is usually catch up onions.
Speaker 2: I mean that means, wow, holy shit, it brings in
Speaker 2: quite an interesting slate here. Yes, obviously, Rocky Horror Picture
Speaker 2: Show brings in Wayne's World, Spice World, that's hilarious. Fight Club, Well,
Speaker 2: everything prings in fight Club if you put your mind
Speaker 2: to it. Well, it's data. So that's right there. Okay,
Speaker 2: well look all right, horror qualifies and ww is a
Speaker 2: DoD DoD driven enterprise. I think we've more than done
Speaker 2: to day work here. Pap writes, truly the end of
Speaker 2: an era with the logo of WWE being gone from
Speaker 2: the old Titan towers. Isn't that the truth?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, so pathetic. I grew up in RhE Island,
Speaker 2: had family in Pennsylvania, and seeing the giant WWAF logo
Speaker 2: for my ninety five was always the best part of
Speaker 2: going to see family on the holidays. I vividly remember
Speaker 2: yelling and excitement when I saw they finally changed the
Speaker 2: logo to the Scratch logo because my yelling scared the
Speaker 2: shit out of my dad while he was driving, and
Speaker 2: he threatened to beat my ass whenever we stopped at
Speaker 2: a rest stop. Yes, what a memory, and what a
Speaker 2: memory when I saw that man that hallowed out just
Speaker 2: the faint etching of what it used to be on
Speaker 2: that building. And now it looks so pathetic over there
Speaker 2: now because just the middle of a neighborhood, you know,
Speaker 2: used to be so enlivened by the presence of ww
Speaker 2: what a curiosity, what a local curiosity, And now it's
Speaker 2: just another glistening tower amidst other glistening towers trying to
Speaker 2: be Instagram friendly. Yes, Joe writes, hearing the Boss say
Speaker 2: that Brian Christopher and Jerry Lawler used to sit on
Speaker 2: Sunday nights eating hot dogs in French fries while watching
Speaker 2: America's Funniest Home Videos a year before Brian died. Really
Speaker 2: gotten ooh ooh, that's some genuine sadness to think about.
Speaker 2: I agree, I didn't remember that. When I read it back,
Speaker 2: I was like, my God, did he say that? I
Speaker 2: did no fucking clue. Luke says, any Vinyl collectors come
Speaker 2: across the wrestling album out in the wild, I always
Speaker 2: keep an eye out. Definitely not brave enough to ask
Speaker 2: the guy in there though, And then of course Solar
Speaker 2: System members step up and say, yeah, you can find
Speaker 2: it pretty easily here there in the other or I
Speaker 2: found her here pretty great. I don't want to ask
Speaker 2: that question though, No, totally. William says, these eighty five
Speaker 2: eighty six shows really hit me hard. I was eight
Speaker 2: years nine years old, then grew up forty miles from Peoria, Illinois,
Speaker 2: and afterthought as an adult, but a world away for
Speaker 2: a kid. Everyone owned the Super Bowl Shuffle. Yes see,
Speaker 2: he comes back to this. WW toured through Peoria frequently
Speaker 2: enough that kid me thought that they were there every week,
Speaker 2: and my parents just used to let me go meet
Speaker 2: old Cogan because they were mean. That is pretty funny
Speaker 2: to think that they're constantly running. We talked about Doctor
Speaker 2: Demento when we talked about the Wrestling album. Yes, Doctor
Speaker 2: Demento sort of innovated the idea of the novelty record
Speaker 2: something that was to be taken half seriously like a
Speaker 2: weird al and Doctor Demento had a radio show full
Speaker 2: of songs and acts and curiosities like that. William says,
Speaker 2: I loved Doctor Demento. I had a record of some
Speaker 2: of his best bits and songs or sketches that appeared
Speaker 2: on his show. Twelve year old and me thought fish
Speaker 2: Heads was the peak of comedy. I guess that was
Speaker 2: a bit or song. The local PBS ran a block
Speaker 2: of seventies doctor Who on Saturday night. Coincidentally, when an
Speaker 2: AM station ran Demento and my friends and I would
Speaker 2: get together play dungeons, dragons and chugs soda, act like
Speaker 2: absolute idiots until the sugar rush ended. All like good
Speaker 2: twelve years old twelve year old at D and D sessions.
Speaker 2: It would eventually end up as a wrestling match, So
Speaker 2: the Memories. Chris writes that Hogan ripping up the Goadaffi
Speaker 2: photo in the Real American Music video was the equivalent
Speaker 2: to the opening scene in one of the Naked Gun
Speaker 2: movies where Frank Dreben infiltrated a meeting of America's enemies Coffee.
Speaker 2: It's a great the first one. It's such a great opening,
Speaker 2: Astro Phoenix and others beat them up and escaped. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it pretty much is it pretty much is.
Speaker 1: A lapsed fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
Speaker 1: a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio m
Speaker 1: JP Soro.
Speaker 2: He says, it's a listener to Doctor Demendo's Doctor Demdo
Speaker 2: syndicated in the seventeen eighties. I heard the Fred Blasty
Speaker 2: pencil neck geek song a lot. Does this give the
Speaker 2: boss a utc tie in for Weird the Al Yankovic
Speaker 2: story starring Daniel Radcliffe as Weird Al. What happened? What's
Speaker 2: the connection? I guess that Doctor Demento came up on
Speaker 2: our show about the wrestling album and influenced the genre
Speaker 2: of the wrestling album belongs to It's it's no, it's
Speaker 2: not a real connection. No, that's going to be in it.
Speaker 2: But they want you to experience the Damien Demento show.
Speaker 2: That's really what they want more than anything else. So
Speaker 2: the Doctor Demento Show, not Damien Demento. I say, said Damien.
Speaker 2: I knew that was I am shocked that it took
Speaker 2: that long for me to do that, that I kept
Speaker 2: it together that long. On Gene Okerlin in the way
Speaker 2: he approaches people outside the Slammies in Baltimore, Zach writes,
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach my son the appropriate way to
Speaker 2: approach ladies he's interested in. Starts with excuse me, ladies?
Speaker 2: Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Plenty of dates,
Speaker 2: I think that, yes, exactly. I think people need to
Speaker 2: ask to prevail upon somebody more often, and it's Robert
Speaker 2: who gets the credit for the cost. I think we
Speaker 2: should be getting El Matador's cameo take on every show,
Speaker 2: even once he's not on. Yes, no question, very nice.
Speaker 2: Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Please? I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: What if I prevail upon momentarily? He says, momentarily, If
Speaker 2: I could momentarily prevail upon you, excuse me, and I
Speaker 2: can prevail upon you momentary, shut the funk up with
Speaker 2: your gimmick. Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Are you
Speaker 2: gonna prevail on me momentarily? You're gonna prevail on me
Speaker 2: for a while? Question, what do you mean in a
Speaker 2: moment or like momentarily right now? Momentarily, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: not to be a pedant about it, but momentarily means
Speaker 2: for a moment, not in a moment, So it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you're gonna we'll be back momentarily. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. You do something momentarily. I brushed my teeth, Momentarily,
Speaker 2: I knocked on the phone. I don't understand how it
Speaker 2: came to mean it'll happen soon. But I'm sure if
Speaker 2: you looked it up, it would say that's the definition.
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that that's the oldest and original
Speaker 2: definition anyway. That always throws me when I hear people
Speaker 2: use it that way. The credit goes to John for
Speaker 2: the list of wrestling related vinyl over the years. He's
Speaker 2: got what is it six d and seventy four items
Speaker 2: that qualify, including the nineteen eighty four IWGP official record.
Speaker 2: That is to say, yes, New Japan's International Wrestling Grand Prix.
Speaker 2: There was an official record, and he's got all this
Speaker 2: cool stuff from Japan. If you want to check it out.
Speaker 2: It's Bozos, Biceps and Beats on the disccogs website disccogs
Speaker 2: scogs dot com. So if you look up the Bozos
Speaker 2: Biceps Beats list, He's got a great running tally of
Speaker 2: all of these wrestling related albums that have come out
Speaker 2: over the years, including Yes, There it is, Texas, Bronco,
Speaker 2: Terry Funk. My God, what a time to be alive.
Speaker 2: But I want to give shout outs to John and
Speaker 2: pass that link along for those interested. Yes, and shouts
Speaker 2: to Phil for reminding us that yes. I think at
Speaker 2: one point during the wrestling album discussion, you asked, was
Speaker 2: Goadaffi threatening America's freedom? Why would Hogan rip his picture
Speaker 2: up in the video? And Phil is keen to remind
Speaker 2: us that yes, Goaddaffi was allegedly behind the bombing of
Speaker 2: pan Am flight one O three and eighty eight, which
Speaker 2: landed on the Scottish town of lockerby killing all two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine people on board and another eleven
Speaker 2: Scottish people on the ground. So was he an existential
Speaker 2: threat to the US? Phil rights and the words of Bruno, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: Zach writes, wrestling is basically the kid who will eat
Speaker 2: gross things just to get your attention. All right, that's true.
Speaker 2: Some of these guys are just like that. You know,
Speaker 2: how can I mutilate myself? Yeah? Well, you know, you
Speaker 2: got him, you know, what do you want? Are you
Speaker 2: with Paul here? Without nostalgic glasses on? Hogan's second theme is,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, vastly superior to real American. He says
Speaker 2: this some walked out to real American at his own wedding. Boss.
Speaker 2: There are elements that of it that I really do like.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's it's it's definitely very
Speaker 2: cool in many ways. I think it's a neat It's
Speaker 2: a good theme. I I don't know if it has
Speaker 2: the same punch as real American got it. I mean,
Speaker 2: real Americans got a very Yeah, that's one of a kind.
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, unforgettable stuff. You hear that, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's exciting even even when he's you know, even when
Speaker 2: you're reminded that he's a racist and an idiot. Right, So,
Speaker 2: like you like the thing is you hear that, You
Speaker 2: hear that those first two those like the first couple
Speaker 2: of measures of the songs, right and the first chorus,
Speaker 2: and like you immediately get excited, you like, even and
Speaker 2: then you remind yourself of what an asshole he is,
Speaker 2: but you're still excited that first moment, Oh for sure,
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a crazy it's a crazy feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you can. If the first thing you think about
Speaker 2: is him kicking ass and come into the ring and
Speaker 2: pointing at the guy whose number is finally up right,
Speaker 2: you can't not be electrified by it. But if you
Speaker 2: think of other things when you hear that song, which
Speaker 2: is of course understandable that it's not so much. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just another another example of how it used to be better.
Speaker 2: We used to be able to have nice things. Remember that, Yes,
Speaker 2: used to be able to cherish our little heroes. Neil writes,
Speaker 2: Slammy Awards or Boss the Slaman's Awards. Oh yes, slam
Speaker 2: It's awards for sure. Dunk definitely great. The Slammins got
Speaker 2: a dispatch here from our friend Connor that I hope
Speaker 2: you could uh yes, you could share with the solar
Speaker 2: system from Belfast. No less so uh come in your
Speaker 2: way here in just a moment or momentarily momentarily that
Speaker 2: gorilla would Gene would say, you can prevail upon me momentarily.
Speaker 2: Thanks for that premier greetings from Belfast. I've been a
Speaker 2: listener since the early days when a cast was a
Speaker 2: Measley three hours. Oh my god, Oh, how we grow.
Speaker 2: During that time, I've went through a listening pattern that
Speaker 2: I'm sure is pretty familiar to you both. It started
Speaker 2: that the cast was one of many podcasts, Jericho, Austin,
Speaker 2: some others. But as these casts grew a bit stale
Speaker 2: and tired to your left just got better and better.
Speaker 2: I was a free loader who pays for a podcast, right,
Speaker 2: But then a strange thing happened. I needed the extra
Speaker 2: content's right. Hey, look it's there's no way around it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to be a mighty, mighty strong,
Speaker 2: self involved kind of person to pretend that doesn't creep in.
Speaker 2: And there aren't that many out there. There. We convert,
Speaker 2: we convert. Okay, that's one thing you can say. I
Speaker 2: needed the extra content. First it was the three sixteen,
Speaker 2: then the ten dollars tier, hang on, an extra ten
Speaker 2: dollars was for movies. Nope, not for me. But then yeah,
Speaker 2: but then yeah, a little tasty here or there, and yep,
Speaker 2: you bastards got me again. Cinemat is now as undeniable
Speaker 2: as the rest of the content on your street correct system. Yes,
Speaker 2: I will say this. I've never enjoyed James Bond movies,
Speaker 2: just not my thing. But the bond Jerney was incredible.
Speaker 2: The amount of ground you covered was remarkable. One small
Speaker 2: thing that that stood out for me and then never
Speaker 2: seen ever again. Episode JP calls out a random bad
Speaker 2: guy as what calls out a random bad guy's Rick
Speaker 2: van Dickhead. I forgot that at all, And then a
Speaker 2: little later in the episode says this is a Geiger counter.
Speaker 2: It counts Geiger's aweso.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 8: Both of these had me in stitches. Jesus Christ, Oh
Speaker 8: my god, I have no recollection to say that ship
Speaker 8: at all. I fucking live for the family few sound
Speaker 8: by me.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to your Kim would have uprated something.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I fucking lived for the personal highlights being Hogan's boo
Speaker 2: and bit shops. No, and then of course I forgot
Speaker 2: about that. No, No, and then of course yeah, these
Speaker 2: segments are so stupid and brilliant and essential. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 2: then you guys pivot from spending ten minutes on David
Speaker 2: in the Juice Milkshake. Rachel's were break down of what
Speaker 2: is wrong with modern world.
Speaker 8: I think it's not the point where nobody looks forward
Speaker 8: to anything anymore.
Speaker 2: That's right. Everything is instant or it's not worth a shit.
Speaker 2: We have far too much choice. Convenience has killed the
Speaker 2: joy of waiting and discovering things. I'm about the same
Speaker 2: age as you guys. My go to is and always
Speaker 2: will be, the early nineties W stuff. There's just a
Speaker 2: comfort in that area over here. All of the available
Speaker 2: W stuff is now on Netflix, all pay per views, limited,
Speaker 2: raw and like I says, snackdown s nacc snackdown from
Speaker 2: years ago, but none of the non W stuff. I
Speaker 2: was initially a bit pissed at this, but guess what,
Speaker 2: less choice makes watching easier. My wife and I just
Speaker 2: had our second child, and I've been lucky enough to
Speaker 2: get a decent amount of leave off work during the
Speaker 2: late nights. I've decided to start working through the www
Speaker 2: pay per views in order, and I've just finished Survivors
Speaker 2: Wait Summer Slam ninety two. Not having to spend hours
Speaker 2: scrolling to pick stuff is liberating. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess too that you know what they've got now,
Speaker 2: They've got a YouTube page dedicated to WCW. I saw that.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful, right, idea. Yeah, it is wonderful. The mini
Speaker 2: Journey of Mine is highlighted. This mini journey of Mine
Speaker 2: as highlighted my two favorites, Brett Hart and Randy Savage.
Speaker 2: Bred to me was I was ready for that at all?
Speaker 2: How think you've ever done that? One? Random's Savage? Just
Speaker 2: see I always say, I always say, like part of
Speaker 2: what we do is we just like we say something
Speaker 2: just to see how it sounds. Like this one hits Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just standing around making noise each other, like like, vonn,
Speaker 2: why it's funny? It is? I mean I think you
Speaker 2: can deny that. If you don't think it's funny, I
Speaker 2: don't want anything to do with you. Let's put that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah you don't think it's funny, go fuck yourself. Randon's Savage.
Speaker 2: Brett to me was at his best and most memorable
Speaker 2: making other guys look like a million dollars owing a
Speaker 2: Mania ten is series of matches with diesel Mania double
Speaker 2: turned with Austin, but the ultimate example in the in
Speaker 2: the Soma Slam match with Bulldog in his home tune
Speaker 2: of Leeds Mom Chess alone in England. The fact that
Speaker 2: Brett could drag that level of a match out of
Speaker 2: a gassed up pill head is quite frankly ridiculous. And
Speaker 2: that's and that's why that will always be my favorite
Speaker 2: Brett match. I know he's a bit earnest and an
Speaker 2: artist and all and all that, but sweet Jesus, was
Speaker 2: he not just a fantastic wrestler. His supplex, his goddamn supplex,
Speaker 2: not quite a snap supplex, not just a standard tu
Speaker 2: but for something of his own unique lift where his
Speaker 2: foot came up right. It wasn't just the kind of
Speaker 2: the snaps too, look just fall down. It was like
Speaker 2: he lifted it up in a very very brisk way. Yes,
Speaker 2: very authoritative, like you knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like he's straining every ounce when he hoisted a
Speaker 2: mofo a Brett Hart. Question for the co chairs, is
Speaker 2: Brett the only WW champ to wear long tights and
Speaker 2: a singlet topay? No, Diesel, Well, he didn't wear tights,
Speaker 2: though he wore pants. Great question that can think of. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's it. Vader Vader did mean never was champion,
Speaker 2: though he was never w OH champion. No, he's the
Speaker 2: only one, the only w W champ. Of course he's diesel,
Speaker 2: but he didn't, but he wore the he had the
Speaker 2: leather pants. But similar gimmick though for a long time.
Speaker 2: It only just occurred to me. And I can't think
Speaker 2: of anyone else with that couple. Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Uh well, it depends on the day. Warrior, slaughter, oh fuck,
Speaker 2: sometimes slaughter wear the black, the black tights anywhere the
Speaker 2: so sometimes wear pants, but something sometimes you wear pants
Speaker 2: for there wasn't always tights he wore. He wore a
Speaker 2: khakis at Messonia seven. Oh, he's coming back from war, right,
Speaker 2: he's wearing his fucking uh you know, his uh mh,
Speaker 2: his Iraqi military uniform, his Iraqi military class as he
Speaker 2: was wearing his Persian golf. Yeah, yeah, the dress, s giar,
Speaker 2: you're wearing the khakis at Saddam Hussein gave him? Yeah,
Speaker 2: who gave him the iron chic all those years too?
Speaker 2: By the way, Sam gave him the slaughter, but iron
Speaker 2: cheek was wearing him for years before that, from the
Speaker 2: enemy country of Iran. No less right, how that works.
Speaker 2: Randon's savage might be the greatest ever when it comes
Speaker 2: to making the crowd feel I agree, the crowd can
Speaker 2: the guy can sell like no other. When I think
Speaker 2: about Randon's career, I don't remember moves, but the way
Speaker 2: he could make you a viewer feel, And the guy
Speaker 2: had so many versions in his WWWE stant early Macho
Speaker 2: Icy title versus Steamers World World Title, Macho, Macho King
Speaker 2: Long Tight's Macho king off, the Royd's macho on his
Speaker 2: colorful madness. Randy at WrestleMania seven is every bit as
Speaker 2: good as Brett Austin and WrestleMania thirteen. How he went
Speaker 2: from being hated to sympathetic to getting his ass kicked
Speaker 2: by Sherry to making everyone feel so strongly with the
Speaker 2: Liz reunion is something else agreed, unbelievable. What it is
Speaker 2: when you put it that way, it's incredible storytelling. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no quote versatility, yes, yes, but to be able
Speaker 2: to do like to sell, I mean the way that
Speaker 2: that that that post match thing was is really remarkable.
Speaker 2: It's because the greatest thing to happen in w w
Speaker 2: ring ever, it's so well done, and it's so well
Speaker 2: thought out, and it's so nuanced that like it's it's,
Speaker 2: it's it, but it's done with such ease and such fluidity.
Speaker 2: But when you really think about it, like the ability
Speaker 2: you have to really to get that kind of a payoff, Okay,
Speaker 2: you have to also create that in the match, yeah,
Speaker 2: because the only way, Like, he can't be a crazy
Speaker 2: ass uber heel, and he's not in the entire match.
Speaker 2: He wrestles pretty clean for the most part. A couple
Speaker 2: cheating things here and there, but like, what makes that
Speaker 2: moment so great is he did try his damnedest. Yes,
Speaker 2: he gave five elbows to Warriors, his career on the line,
Speaker 2: career on the line, the whole thing, and then Sherry
Speaker 2: comes in and beats the shit out of him. Like
Speaker 2: it's it's not just that moment, it's everything else, because
Speaker 2: it's not just a baby face who went out there
Speaker 2: and did his thing and then lost. It is one
Speaker 2: of the most hated heels of the time, who you're
Speaker 2: going to turn around at this moment. It's really phenomenal.
Speaker 2: It's I always say it, and we said it when
Speaker 2: we talked about it years and years ago when we
Speaker 2: covered that show. It's the thing I would hold up
Speaker 2: to say. You know what, Like you laugh at wrestling
Speaker 2: as like a high drama, right, yeah you should, But
Speaker 2: if that's possible I'm sticking around. Yep, if if wrestling,
Speaker 2: if wrestlers and wrestling can be good enough to create
Speaker 2: that moment, and it wasn't the biggest money moment in
Speaker 2: the world, it was a weak house and all that
Speaker 2: don't care talking about how it resonated at the moment
Speaker 2: with the people who did show up unbelievable. And I'm
Speaker 2: and I'm still here waiting for that. In some ways,
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to get back to a place where
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, look what wrestling created. Look at that
Speaker 2: moment right there. Yeah, yeah, that's just it, you know,
Speaker 2: that is it. We're all and everybody was to where
Speaker 2: the emotional weight was, and a crowd that was thinking
Speaker 2: nothing of Elizabeth when they sat down for that match
Speaker 2: right from their mind. In the end, it's like, of
Speaker 2: course it was all about Elizabeth in the end. That's
Speaker 2: good stuff. Yes, it's just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2: Wrestling is stupid nice, it's phony. Yes, it's fake and fraudulent,
Speaker 2: but when it's that good, it's still worth the pain.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying exactly, Yep. It goes without saying that
Speaker 2: modern wrestling will never be as good as the stuff
Speaker 2: we cut our teeth on, but it can still have
Speaker 2: little moments of feeling. I'm writing this just after the
Speaker 2: Elimination Chamber and two things. Yes, the Scene Hill turn
Speaker 2: is something that legitimately sits alongside the Hogan turn. I
Speaker 2: can't believe they're finally doing it, and I wish them well.
Speaker 2: The other thing is that, for the first time since
Speaker 2: probably Daniel Bryant at Wrestling in thirty, I was excited
Speaker 2: by wrestling in the chamber match when it was just
Speaker 2: Punk and Sina, I was genuinely just watching and wanting
Speaker 2: Punk to win. I wasn't thinking about booking or work
Speaker 2: rate or star rating. I was just watching and paying attention.
Speaker 2: And that's it. And that's what's the key in that phrase,
Speaker 2: you wanted Punk to win. That's what's missing, right is
Speaker 2: Steaks is rooting interest. Yes, wrestling cannot be as great
Speaker 2: as it can be unless there is rooting interest from
Speaker 2: the audience. If the crowd doesn't, we're kind of indifferent
Speaker 2: to who goes over and doesn't show up, pinning their
Speaker 2: hopes on one of the two guys winning and one
Speaker 2: of the two women winning and one of the two
Speaker 2: teams winning, then while it can be wonderful, it is
Speaker 2: not pro wrestling at its best. It is not the
Speaker 2: peak of what pro wrestling can be. It has to
Speaker 2: be just like any other sport where the stadium is
Speaker 2: full of mostly people that want to see one person win.
Speaker 2: If everyone does their job on the way in, that's
Speaker 2: the dynamic you create. Doesn't mean that person has to win,
Speaker 2: but that has to be the prevailing energy of the crowd.
Speaker 2: But if people show up to see two people exert
Speaker 2: themselves without carrying which of the two actually wins, then
Speaker 2: you've left something on the table, and that is, by definition,
Speaker 2: inferior to what it could be if you achieved all
Speaker 2: that work rate plus that dynamic. Yeah, sorry, no, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean those two guys who are killing themselves in the
Speaker 2: ring are doing anything wrong. It just means they're not
Speaker 2: doing everything. They're not exercising every option the pro wrestling
Speaker 2: presents to them. It's not their fault, it's the booker's fault.
Speaker 2: But I don't get a fuck whose fault it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's inferior. Yep, just gene watching and that's it.
Speaker 2: Mostly bad. Spare me the press conferences, but when it's good.
Speaker 2: It allows us to just watch and pay attention, and
Speaker 2: Matt is becoming harder to do in the world that
Speaker 2: we live in. This podcast genuinely means a lot to
Speaker 2: me and has me through a lot of long drives, housework,
Speaker 2: and some really difficult personal stuff that I'll keep to
Speaker 2: myself for now. You two are doing God's work. Here's
Speaker 2: to another ten years. Goddamn right, Connor, goddamn right. Not
Speaker 2: a joke, not a fucking game, and he adds in
Speaker 2: Mike excitement, I forgot to add two points one Duke
Speaker 2: Trosy is on the Mount rushmore of wrestlers with other occupations,
Speaker 2: greed no question to me for a moment to picture
Speaker 2: this a man with two loves keeping the streets free
Speaker 2: from trash and a love for grappling. But how does
Speaker 2: he keep his hand in the trash game while grappling?
Speaker 2: Does he pick up shifts whenever the feed is in town?
Speaker 2: The admin and planning involved must have been tortures. He
Speaker 2: must have had a pretty good handle, and all the
Speaker 2: movers and shakers in the trash game could agree more.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do these guys juggle two occupations? It's
Speaker 2: hard enough to break into the wrestling business. But to
Speaker 2: be able to do that and be a plumber, that's
Speaker 2: I mean exactly skill trade. You know, your moonlighting in
Speaker 2: a different career, Like, that's a lot. That's a lot
Speaker 2: to do when you're not working. You're working exactly and too.
Speaker 2: I beg constant, he says, I beg you do the
Speaker 2: Savage journey? Boss, Yes, what lots? I mean, Hey, what
Speaker 2: what you ask for? It's it's uh, it's it's neither
Speaker 2: here nor there. It's a thing. It happened that it
Speaker 2: may happen. You know, it's a h it's it's it
Speaker 2: is what it is. You know, nice non evasive answer here.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love when you don't get evasive.
Speaker 2: It's stuff, Boss, that's awesome, he says. If you can
Speaker 2: do forty hours on set, I expect four hundred on
Speaker 2: Randy you have, But do you want to pay four
Speaker 2: hundred We're about to find out it'd be like two,
Speaker 2: like two fucking years worth of Randy on Randy Angelo, Landy,
Speaker 2: Liz Baseball, Slim, Jim Royd, Snakes and wo all the rest.
Speaker 2: Not only does lap solar system need it? Be honest,
Speaker 2: there's the itch if that is isn't there. You bastards
Speaker 2: need it too. That being said, we will make our medicine,
Speaker 2: take our medicine as good as lab stoctors dish it out.
Speaker 2: Just be careful, be careful what you're playing with, Connor.
Speaker 2: It's a live wire, my friend. It's a live wire,
Speaker 2: and you may find yourself jones in for something that
Speaker 2: asks as much of you as it does of us.
Speaker 2: A tool belt for Daddy writes. The shittiest part about
Speaker 2: this is that Codin's will win again at Mania Sena.
Speaker 2: We'll go on a retribution face turn later this year,
Speaker 2: and when the belt on December thirty first in Boston,
Speaker 2: only to be cashed in on by minding the bank
Speaker 2: winner to Logan Paul book it all right. I like that.
Speaker 2: That's a kind of specific prediction I can get behind.
Speaker 2: I did not know that the New Year's Eve SmackDown
Speaker 2: was in Boston. Very interesting. I didn't know that either
Speaker 2: I might be a relapsed fucking journey. I'd have to go, Matthew, fucked.
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Speaker 2: fake commentary of Michael Cole, Wade Barrett, and the god
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Speaker 2: get the new Wwe have sold out stadiums, mumble wrap,
Speaker 2: and mainstream reaction videos to WW events. If there's anything
Speaker 2: faker than a WW performer, it's the internet influencer Cesspool,
Speaker 2: they seem to have gotten themselves into. He writes, my
Speaker 2: golden period was the late New Generation here up to
Speaker 2: the end of the Attitude era. I love seeing in
Speaker 2: my eyes the young, plucky underdog that everyone loved Sean
Speaker 2: Michaels beat Brett Heart for the belt at WrestleMania twelve.
Speaker 2: I love the goofy melodrama of Cain, the Unentertaker's brother,
Speaker 2: coming back from being burned alive to seek his revenge.
Speaker 2: And of course I love stone cold Steve Austin not
Speaker 2: taking crap from his anyone and stomping what holes in
Speaker 2: people's asses. But back to the current product, I cannot
Speaker 2: bring myself to not check in on it, and because
Speaker 2: I feel at some point it will get better. WW
Speaker 2: builds to great moments, sure, but not like they used to.
Speaker 2: I haven't been hyped up for rajsh SmackDown since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: which led to Daniel Bryan winning the w Championship in
Speaker 2: Triple AH and the opener and Randy Orton Batista in
Speaker 2: the main event. When I originally watched Elimination Chamber, it
Speaker 2: was dull and mundane up until the closing moments. Of
Speaker 2: the over three hour show. Even though I'm up in
Speaker 2: the current storylines, the commentary didn't do anything to make
Speaker 2: me care. A week after Elimination Chamber, I saw that
Speaker 2: my three sixteen tier blessed me with the laps fan
Speaker 2: commentary of said p l e. I immediately fired up
Speaker 2: the peacocks and started the same damn show I just watched.
Speaker 2: To get the lapsed perspective on the slog of a show,
Speaker 2: Suddenly everything was enhanced. At the time, the lackluster match
Speaker 2: of Tiffy and Trish vers Naya and Cadence was suddenly
Speaker 2: one star more. If the lapsed fan can make the
Speaker 2: most boring match on a card doubly better with just commentary,
Speaker 2: you have my vote. I'll be upping my pledge later
Speaker 2: this month to get the earliest lapsed fan commentary of
Speaker 2: WrestleMania forty one, because I love wrestling and I need
Speaker 2: real wrestling fans opinions on fake wrestling matches. Thank you
Speaker 2: for seeing a Mania. That's a good fucking way to
Speaker 2: look at it. Right there. You're gonna We've been saying
Speaker 2: that too. You're gonna anyway, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: You're gonna watch it anyway, so you might as well
Speaker 2: fucking mean it. You know, you might as well enjoy
Speaker 2: it with us instead of just suffering. You know, we're
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Speaker 2: it not only for people that want to sync up
Speaker 2: enjoyable commentary or or commentary that speaks to who they
Speaker 2: are as fans. We do it for people that don't
Speaker 2: even want to bother watching the video feed and just
Speaker 2: fucking listen to us take them through it and paint
Speaker 2: pictures for them and make the comments they would make
Speaker 2: if they were sitting around with their friends watching a
Speaker 2: p l E. Right, yeah, yeah, really quickly from our
Speaker 2: to have our as a first initial here, I posted
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Speaker 2: have time to be scrolling over there. So two brief
Speaker 2: silly connections to white Whale films that departed. We've talked
Speaker 2: about the departed, boss, you still need a connection, right, yes,
Speaker 2: he says, I'm hazy on if Mania guests count. I'd
Speaker 2: certainly watch any Raycomb's film appearances. But Mark Wahlberg filmed
Speaker 2: the pre tape vignette for Wrestlminginia thirty eight in Dallas.
Speaker 2: They are on Saturday. Who's the first famous face we
Speaker 2: see a night one of the greatest night in sports,
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Speaker 2: he there? Was he there? Person? I don't know if
Speaker 2: we can find instance of help being at a show
Speaker 2: accounts it would need I mean, if you got involved
Speaker 2: with something, you know, that's always the key guest hosts
Speaker 2: for RAW. That's a guest, it's it's it depends. It's
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a come and go thing. It
Speaker 2: defends depends on how involved they get. I see, like
Speaker 2: if they actually get involved in like a skirmish or
Speaker 2: something like that. Why do I have the feeling I've
Speaker 2: seen Mark Wahlberg like a in a w ring, like
Speaker 2: me too, fighting somebody. I don't know why I feel
Speaker 2: that way about fighting, but definitely like acting tough backstage right,
Speaker 2: I would think it would be in that era. It
Speaker 2: just depends on how It just depends on how involved
Speaker 2: they are, because you know, some of them no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: looks exactly like John Cena. I mean, I know they
Speaker 2: could be brothers. Seriously and on GoldenEye to Mina. You know,
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